Full Show: Colts Drop To 8-3 With Loss To Chiefs

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Here's an RBO tipped.

Speaker 7 (01:06):
Up to the micked up by the Colts of the
five yard line and they got the ball. They tipped
it over to the air and inner to Lot too.
It's his third interception this season, and the Colts are
tackled inside the five as lot To tipped up to
the air, caught the ball in the caram and it's
upended around the three yard line, and that's where the

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Colts will start first in ten second down and goal
with the six Jones out of the gun ball on
the left hashbacks to throw looking throws right.

Speaker 9 (01:34):
Car cutted line and that's a touchdown for the Colts.
Michael Pittman Jr. This is second down and goal. With
the four Jones out of the gun, Taylor the back left.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
And motioned down to the right side.

Speaker 9 (01:45):
Is Ogle three back in to throw as Jones Lookie
fires into the end zone and it's a catch for
a touchdown.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
And it's true Ogle three.

Speaker 9 (01:54):
Kansas City can get a first down without scoring a touchdown.
Now they've got three people in the backfield with Mahomes,
one on either side.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
And behind him is Kareem Hunt. They give it to Hunt, who.

Speaker 9 (02:03):
Jumps over the pile of the goal line and he's in.
Kareem Hunt with a touchdown and the Chiefs will not
go quietly. Their season is on the brink at five
and five, and now they have pulled within.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
Five on the scoreboard.

Speaker 9 (02:16):
It's twenty to fifteen Colts over Kansas City with eight
thirty seven to go in the game.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
Mahomes out of the gun.

Speaker 9 (02:22):
Three receivers deployed to the right side, backs to throw
looking fires end zone caught where she rice two point
conversion good and it's a field goal. Game now at Arrowhead,
Kansas City, going right to left. In your mind, Zion
Mahomes and his own end zone looking to pass throws
over the.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
Middle, run after the catch twenty.

Speaker 9 (02:40):
Five thirty yard line, over the far sideline forty forty
five fifty yard line and being pushed out of balances
where she rice as he caught a dart over the
middle by Patrick Mahomes and used that speed to burn
for a big play to the fifty yard line for
a game of forty seven yards. Bucker with a twenty
five yard field goal. Snap placement is up and it

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is good, and that'll be the final play of regulation.
The game is down tied at twenty and we're going
to overtime. Austin and gk into the game, perhaps spying
on Patrick Mahomes who drops to throw, plants steps up
of the fucking launches it downfield, and.

Speaker 7 (03:17):
He's got a man that's Worthy with a huge catch
in the Colts territory.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
He made the reception on Charvarius Ward.

Speaker 7 (03:24):
Worthy is tackled inside Colts territory around the Indianapolis forty
six yard line.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Bud Fucker out of the time out and measures it
up again.

Speaker 9 (03:33):
This is from twenty seven yards in overtime, game tied
at twenty snap placement.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Kickings up and it is.

Speaker 9 (03:41):
Good for the Chiefs and they went in the walk
off fashion in overtime. It's the Kansas City Chiefs twenty
three and the Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
Twenty Matt Taylor and Joe writes yesterday, that was your
game call on the Cults Radio Network, and that was
one hell of a disappointing finish. And through three quarters
it looked so good. And you know what was amazing
about it If you followed Kansas City, and it's tough
not to because they're constantly under the national spotlight and

(04:14):
why not, But if you followed Kansas City the entire year,
that's that's how they looked all season long. Throughout those
three quarters, just really nothing like what we have witnessed
in the past. But into the fourth quarter it wasn't

(04:37):
even so much Kansas City flexing and taking over. It
was a complete coaching and playing disappearing act by the
road team. I was talking to Jacob moment ago, and
this just goes to show you how not ready for

(04:58):
prime time this group is at the moment. I also
said to Jake what this did was reinforce a lot
of the questions that we didn't really knock around here
because you want to believe in what you see. They're
still eight and three, right, but you're eight and two,

(05:21):
and everybody nationally is suggesting that this is smoking mirrors
or mirage. And we've watched it all. They've looked a
hell of a lot better than they have in those
moments when they have it. And I'll further break that
down in just a second, but everything nationally, anybody had said,

(05:45):
and around here we end up shaking our fist at
and say like me because you know, I guess I
speak with a local amount of arrogance here with those nationally,
who gives a crap? You guys never pay attention anyway,
Same damn thing with the Pacers. Nobody ever pays attention
until it really matters, until the quarterback retires five seconds

(06:06):
before the start of the season, or you know, when
you've got some significant set of circumstances going on. That's
the only time anybody around here ever gets paid attention
to nationalness. Okay, I mean we're on this all the time,
so we did view this a little bit differently, But
now I have to ask myself, maybe we didn't because

(06:28):
all of those issues that had been talked about and
highly scrutinize nationally. I think we're reinforced by the Colts
in the fourth quarter and then the overtime yesterday, and
that's highly unfortunate. I'm not gonna sit here and say
anybody needs to be fired, or the season is lost,
or everything sucks and blah blah. You know what, They're

(06:48):
eight and three and you are still in control. But
you have to take control if and here is where
the reinforcement applies. If if you're capable, if what everybody
else says is not accurate, if our local arrogance was
not right, if starting with Houston at home coming up

(07:15):
on Sunday, and we'll get into well, this really hurts
them in terms of, you know, the overall top seed
in the AFC. I mean, they haven't won this division
since twenty fourteen. I mean, hell, nobody's holding their breath
on that right now. So we can get into that
top seed discussion at some other point. This team, this

(07:39):
quarterback and this coach man, when things are going right,
they're humming. And we bear witness to that, especially in
the first half when they came out of the first half,
I mean, everything was he was a step ahead offensively.

(08:00):
What did the kids say today? He was in his bag.
That's not at all how I end up taking in
that particular description. I laugh at it a little bit,
but nah, he was in his bag, meaning everything he
was doing was working. And we have seen that that

(08:20):
is a product when things are going well, when they
are in rhythm and there's nothing really to get through.
This team is top notch. But when you have to
start fighting it a little bit, things become problematic. Now,
that's one of the things you have to get over.

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And a lot of people would equate that the toughness.
I don't necessarily know. I think that's easy street to
take right there. I don't know if it comes down
to toughness. I think it also comes down to in
this case, you know, not being there and doing that before.
I mean, this is some unfamiliar territory for a lot
of these guys. But that just goes to show you

(09:04):
just how major of that game was, you know, in
that massive national court of public opinion. And you never
want to you want to go down swing in and
again this sounds like cliche row and I don't mean to,
but it didn't seem like that the Colts did that.

(09:24):
And I'll say this for those of you that suggests
that Shane Steichen didn't run Jonathan Taylor enough and went
away from him. Laite, You're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Now.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
I would also tell you outside of what that twenty
one whatever last twenty plus yard run, he was averaging
like two point one on the ground, And I agree.
I've titled him as the MVP, and he can bust
one at any time. He's going to give you the
second effort at any time. But what Kansas City and
Steve Magnuloh, what they were doing. They were forcing the hand.
They were saying, Okay, what we're going to try to

(09:55):
do here as well, rattle of the quarterback. We've seen
him rattle before. We saw him rattling in Pittsburgh and
rattling num Berlin. We're gonna rattle him even more. This
is a team that rarely, if ever, got after the
quarterback consistently this season, and they struggled most of the
game with it. But when he started playing downhill and
running the blitz and quicker decisions had to be made.

(10:15):
That's when things started to go Haywire, not one, not two,
not three, but four to three and outs. And I
think what's most egregious about the play calling and the
way that offense was coached up is all right, let's
just say you go out there and you still get
a three and out, but if you run the football,
you know at least you're gonna run some clock. You know,

(10:40):
at least you do. The one thing I noticed when
I was watching this yesterday with the bros. The Smiley Bros.
Is it seemed like the eternity that the Chiefs had
to get back in this in the fourth quarter, especially
late in the fourth became even more of that, if
it can be, it was just a revolving door of

(11:04):
defenses on the field and working and working and working
and hand on the hips and they're tired. And clearly
when the offense comes back out and you know, fifty
five seconds later they're giving the ball back to Kansas
City's offense, that's what stood out to me, you know,

(11:26):
all of a sudden, and it's not because of this
incredible defense. Kansas City forced the issue, and Kansas City said,
all right, we're going to see, if you know this
new and improved this season, Daniel Jones can beat you,
and Shann Steikin said, well, you know what, he's a
new improved Daniel Jones. So I damn straight, Betty can

(11:47):
beat you, and you know what, he didn't. They ended
up beating themselves in a lot of ways, and that
also can be frustrating because they already have a one
time beating themselves. Yeah, I guess you could call it
two in terms of six turnovers in Pittsburgh. But the
one time is you know, handing over the game against
a team that probably is the best at this mark

(12:10):
in the season in southern California, and that's the La Rams.
I would suggest this, and a lot of people would say, well,
you know, you got to learn from this something, you
got to learn from it. All right, we'll go ahead
and learn from it, but can you do it swiftly?
Can you expedite the learning process here, because frankly, nobody

(12:31):
has time to wait. You have prioritized this and the
measures you have taken to eight this team, There's not
time to wait on this. You better digest that info
and get set for a Houston team that just sacked
Josh Allen eight times on Thursday Night Football now we're
talking about an offensive line with pressure that has struggled,

(12:56):
you know, with a couple of veteran bookends in Pittsburgh,
and now you're going to bring on board Hunter and
Anderson and incredibly thirsty Houston defense. You kind of created this. Now,
if you legit, you have to go out and do
something about it. And that's everybody. That is the quarterback,

(13:18):
that's the head coach. People were down on the defense.
The one thing I would say about the defense is,
and I know that it's not all going to happen
as quickly as possible, like instantaneously, but I just had
this play making, big moment, big play making vision, and

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didn't see that that kind of stunck. I mean everything
else if you want to, you can excuse I mean, hell,
they were on the field forever. And believe me, this
was an offense, this was a coach, and this was
overall a team that's just simply put not ready for

(14:05):
what they want to be right now, not ready for it.
And I thought we all witnessed that in part yesterday
and the fourth end in overtime. If you're going to
be legit, if you're going to be one of those
elite teams, not just to the AFC, but of the NFL.

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You have to maintain some control late, you have to
be able to put it away. It was weird right
normally which was working. They passed to set up the run,
get a lead to set up the run, and then
once they had the lead, they did, unfortunately go away
from the run. And then once you saw the Kansas

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City defense feel incredibly comfortable with what the culture doing offensively,
Steve Spagnola was a mile ahead of things, it seemed,
think that they're that great, that overwhelming, but they look
that way all of a sudden out there, and that
I think stands for this particular reason. And you're going

(15:11):
to see a lot more of that coming up on Sunday.
You're going to see a lot more of that coming
up from Jacksonville. The Seahawks have a good defense. I mean,
you're scheduled that remains, you have some really quality defenses
on it, and they're all watching what's going on here,
and you are seeing a quarterback along with an offensive
unit that can't handle not being in rhythm or as

(15:37):
I mentioned earlier on Easy Street. Now when things start
going a little bit haywire around them, their operation goes
hey wire, So what do you do? Do you want
to do that the entirety of the game. You just
want to do that when you need it. Hey, listen,

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Kansas City was playing to save their season. But again,
it's not like all of a sudden they jumped into
the phone booth and came out with an older, more
cohesive version of Kansas City. Yeah, the Colts just kind
of withered away in terms of coaching and playing. And again,

(16:19):
if you have these expectations, if this is truly who
you want to be or expect to be, you have
to be better than that. Everybody's telling me last night,
well you gotta fire this and fire that, and you
got to cut this guy and cut that. You don't
have to do anything like that. These guys have to
recognize if you truly are who you want to be
or who you expect to be, that ain't it. And

(16:40):
the fourth of the overtime, And that's coach included for
anybody that's ever suggested that Shane Steichen can take you here,
but he can't take you higher than here. That was
also reinforced yesterday. You had a lot of reinforcement with
the team, with the quarterback with the head coach with

(17:04):
the thought that their time is now, while the Daniel
Jones iss, no way he can be the quarterback of
the future. I got news for you. They traded two
number ones. He is your quarterback of the future. He's
just gonna have to handle stuff better. And also those
of you asking, hell, I don't know. The only thing

(17:25):
that I noticed yesterday, and I have a tough time
trying to manage my own gate, right, may I always
walk with a limp anyway? I couldn't tell if his
moveability was compromised. The only thing that I noticed is

(17:46):
on that first down scramble out of bounds when nobody
was near him. I mean, he looked like he jumped
into the old folks line right there. I mean, it's serious.
It looked like all that. I mean, he didn't just
down shift, he like down and shit, he was almost
in neutral, almost walking out of bounds, And you couldn't

(18:06):
tell if he's maybe saving a little bit of something
or knowing, Hi, I'm not going to take a hit here,
so I'm gonna go out in the same spot, so
I'm as well cruise to this spot. That's really the
only time that I noticed that, and if you remember correctly,
the whole dynamic went from the calf strain or a
calf situation to a compromised fibula, which I would guess.

(18:30):
I'm not a doctor here, an orthopedic surgeon. A lot
of good folks that listen to this show might be,
but I think those are two dramatically different things. That
was the only play that I really recognized. But to me,
it was massively disappointing because I want this team to

(18:52):
be ready for that. Give you a great example. I
thought I picked him to lose right twenty eight to
twenty seven, but I thought that they were going to
go down swinging. I thought if Kansas City was going
to win this game, that they were going to kind
of have a rebirth of sorts. And we didn't see that.
We just kind of saw, unfortunately, the Colts usher into

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or through the front door the Chiefs to save their season,
much to the chagrin of everybody else in the AFC. Seriously,
you could have put them down, and unfortunately, because of
your lack of play, your lack of coaching, your lack
of anything close to finishing at all, you know now

(19:37):
they're still going to linger had them down. That is
incredibly unfortunate to me. Now we got to hustle up
today because I got a bail. At five point thirty,
we have colts roundtable, and then the pacers come up
a little bit later. Off tonight holders at five today
James steven Holder of ESPN coming up at five. We

(20:03):
got a lot more for him this game. So well,
if you're gonna blame, what do we blame here? I
guess I would have to ask you to am I
not putting enough on the defense? Are you mad? Because
I'm not blaming the officiating? Listen, I thought the officiating
was incredibly in up. But it was just like game wide.
That particular crew I think hoists more flags than any

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of the crew in the NFL. They were all over
the place. Arms are getting tired. But I mean, hell,
that had nothing to do with the way kind of
like what we're seeing right now. When you're trying to
molt some leaves and get rid of them out of
your yard before the rain later on tonight or tomorrow morning,
I mean, the leaves are further. They just fell off

(20:47):
the tree, withered and kind of blew away in the wind.
In the fourth that's not the type of team that
you expect them to be. That's not who they expect
to be. Because if you expect to be that, you
don't go out out and trade two number one for
Sauce Gardner. That's completely different. And there's no more like

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that's okay, it's going to be alright, because we've been
down that path before and around here until it's okay
and all right, it's never okay and all right. Keep
that in mind. For not a damn thing two three, nine, ten,
seventy we got anything to give away in this short
work week here, James, Are we completely nude this week?

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Am I nude before everybody in this audience? We might
be completely nude this day? Oh my goodness, stark nudity
from a giveaway. I can't give you, guys Bullseye stuff though,
so partial nudity. I'll keep this bad boy PG. Thirteen.
You'll just see my rear end. That's it. Bullseye passes

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for what is going to be a great pregame party
before the Big ten Championship game. Bucket Game is coming
up on Friday. We work until Wednesday, bud Light Blue Wednesday.
The annual event is that Brothers in broad Ripple. Let's
all show up and have a hell of a time.
I had a great weekend I mentioned yesterday. I was

(22:13):
actually watching the game in and around Mccordsville with the
Smiley bros. It's funny they have to teach Dave Smiley everything.
The second most popular DJ in Indianapolis, by the way,
Dave Smiley. But they have to teach Dave Smiley exactly
what's going on in football. Unfortunately, Dave Smiley I think
went upstairs and played Matchbox twenty. But no, seriously, my

(22:37):
guys collins Worth and SPT and Fireball and who the
hell else. I'm sorry, I'm going to leave some guys
out in my bad like weed Man was there and Smiley.
I want to thank them for inviting me. They've invited
me for a number of years. I've never been able
to make it, and I thought, you know what, I'm
going to roll up there and watch this game with them.
They come out to a lot of our events. They

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are hugelytive, not just Dave's show, but of my show.
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sawna Ben I could be doing those bad Boys for you, man, impactful,
impactfully doing them for you. Great to see everybody. Really

(23:20):
was crappy outcome, but great to see everybody. The boiler
Makers just had it all fire. You talk about just
wizardry in the Bahamas against Texas Tech on Friday night,
that was some outstanding basketball to watch. We got that
for you. The Pacers get efforts from three, but nobody else,
including two that should be giving a hell of a

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lot more than what they do, which is nearly zero
Pacers at home against the twelve consecutive winning Detroit Pistons
later on tonight too. All right, quick break, We'll come
back a lot more for you. Yeah, Sliver, Kevin Bowen
was all he was. Jeremiah Love for the high this morning. Yeah,

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it's good, you know what. I'm all leave it alone
because I don't feel like talking about Notre Dame today.
You guys okay with that. I'm gonna stay with Mendoza.

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Ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan, the.

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Chiefs have the ball for the first time. They started
their own four yard line. They hand off to Kareem Hunt,
who is tackled by Zaire Franklin gain of three up
to around the seven yard line.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
Here's an RPO tipped.

Speaker 7 (25:25):
Up to the picked up by the Colts of the
five yard line and they.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Got the ball.

Speaker 7 (25:29):
They tipped it over the air and inner to lot too.
It's his third interception this season and the Colts are
tackled inside the five as lot To tipped up into
the air, caught the ball in the caram and it's
up in and around the three yard line and that's
where the Colts will start first.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
And ten Yeah, lot too Island got Things started out
well for the Colts, but the end result was an
l and a lot of questions and a lot of
reinforcements regarding questions that we've been knocking around now even
with this really good start in twenty twenty five for
the Colts, Matt Taylor Joe writes Colts Radio Network, our

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good friend Chad is rolling through beautiful Utah and could
not agree more. They need to figure out and figure
it out quickly. Love listening. He's in Utah somewhere that
does look nice. Text lines three one, seven, two, three, nine,
ten seventy Javy, Good afternoon, after you're opening monologue and
first commercial break, I'd love for you to expound upon

(26:30):
your interpretation of the saying he's in his bag. Thanks Nick. Well,
when it was mentioned that Shane Steichen was in his bag,
it means everything was working. That's a positive connotation. That

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is an uplifting description of what's going on for the
team that you like, and it's head coach. Now for me,
I automatically go to the least common denominator, and it
seems to me. I don't know why, but I think
it's having to do with something that is scrotal in nature.

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But that's not the case. There was nothing scrotal men
meant regarding being in his bag. Thank you hopefully, Nick.
That clarifies things here, all right, not a lot of
time to get your responses, so we'll do so and
start right here at two three nine ten seventy. I'll

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get back to my opening points to that Colt's lost
yesterday in just a second, Mike and Brooklyn kicked things
off here in the three o'clock hour, Michelo, how.

Speaker 10 (27:43):
Are you hey, jam V.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, you guys covered it all.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
It's just said that it still plays out exactly the
way I kind of call it, which Spike and once
again out smarts himself and just further illustration of what
I've been saying all along, phenomenal offensive coach, not a
head coach to from the way he actually he was

(28:09):
actually good. The way that game played out, I thought
he was The best thing that happened on the opening drive.
Naturally we have to take the ball because you got
to score immediately. The best part of that first drive
was Tanaboy only he's penalty. I actually cheered for that.
I was like, oh, thank you. Now we at least
we could punt the ball. So Rigo gets them, we
get him pinned down, they get a penalty, they're starting

(28:29):
the pressures on them. At what happens exactly smart situational football.
You get the turnover, you get up devinth to nothing,
and from there he called the nice balance game, and
the game was going to play out that way up
until the point of Tyler Warren's stream pass where he
ran it and he got it the first and goal,
which I can't believe he didn't score because McDuffie made

(28:50):
I think it was McDuffie made that cut his legs out,
And from that point on, Spagnolo completely dominated sake and
it was like he knew exactly what he was gonna do.
From that point on, I'm on the literally watching the
game saying, this is JT time all the way right now.
Because you're up by eight, you gotta make sure you
get the field goal. So if you run the ball

(29:12):
three times and you don't and you still kick the
field goal, that's fine, and you're gonna take time off
the cot as you're saying, does he do that? No,
he wants to get cuted again. All of a sudden,
alec Ogertree who made a really great catch, Now that
was their big, big thing that he's now the go
to guy in the red zone.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
But that's another point.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Now you're coming out, you get, you get the turnover,
the defense gets the big turnover. Because at that point
you're saying, okay, they're going in, we're gonna have to
get you get the turnover. You start the ball at
you're all five, and you say, okay, it's JT time.
Just run the ball and the worst case scenario, get
your best run plays. Nope, doesn't do it. Then then

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as the progressors, once they get the game to three points,
get on the field, doesn't do it again. Comes right
out three and out throwing the ball and you get
the pun three, you get a pay, you get, you get,
your defense comes through, they get to turn, they get
to stop. And that was where I really lost it
when it was five forty five. I think at midfield
and it's gotta be JT time now.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
You have to be.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
But absolutely not because he has to out. If that's
not the definition of out slatting yourself, I don't know
what is is Jimmy Johnson gonna do?

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Is gonna do that? If with EMMITTT.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Smith in the backfield when he's got an eleven point lead,
he's gonna and he has a defense that you.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Have to believe in. You have to you have to
play smart football, and he just can't do.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
He's what was reinforced to me was if this team
gets any pressure whatsoever, if things aren't running smoothly operationally speaking,
if there's not a rhythm or a flow offensively, these
guys struggle to hang and and that's why that's why

(30:56):
you've had a rebirth of sorts with the quarterback. But
that's something that everybody sees right now because Bagnulo in
the fourth pounced on that aspect alone. You had four
straight three and outs with what I think eighteen or
so yards I think gained over that span, and they're

(31:18):
pouncing on the quick decision making and faulty decision making
of the quarterback because once Diiken put it in his hands,
that's what you got, and that's problematic all the way around,
and certainly for the now, but even more so for
the future. And unfortunately, I think it brings up a
lot of the questions that we had about coach, about

(31:40):
quarterback and about this team offensively, whether or not some
of this were smoking mirrors or a pipe dream or mirage.
And I think the fourth quarter with Steve Spagnulo, I
think that brought that to light, maybe even more so
than what we saw in that win and over time
in Berlin or what we saw against Pittsburgh for the
entirety of that six turnover game three weeks ago in

(32:01):
the Steel City, and that that is more prevalent today
after that fourth quarter than anything else is.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
To me, Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Uh you're you're
an old school guy too. It's Shane Stakin's got to
understand that, Uh, Daniel Jones is not Joe Montana, never
going to be so he could be, so Sims, which
is not a knock, it's good, but you have to call.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
When when the going gets tough, you got to give
it to two eight, right, I mean you got to
lean on two when when you were when when we're
a smooth sailing on the interstate and you can see
for miles. Then yeah, that Daniel Jones turned him loose,
and you thought, but but when when things get tough,
I mean, when you have to grind, I think we

(32:44):
also probably know that by now that's at least the
way that it is looks. I will also say this,
I mean, this offense wasn't very good yesterday. It really
wasn't think about. I mean, you scored the first points
of the game because you were gifted from Latu Island
the ball, you know, inside the five, close to the
goal line. I mean they couldn't run the ball effectively,
they didn't throw it effectively. They just didn't turn it over.

(33:05):
And a lot of people look at that stat alone
as to how or why you had a good game
or not so good game. Offensively. You know, that wasn't
a good game offensively. You're sure as hell wasn't good enough.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
No, it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
But you know what you gotta you gotta learn how
to win games.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Like that because you're going to have them if you're
no Quest Championship.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, and definitely JT. You got to go down with
your guy. You got to go down with the closer.
If they would, I tell you, if they would have
ran the ball from that time first and goal at
the eight yard line, they would have not thrown the
ball once or maybe try a little flair pants run
the ball at least two out of three series. I
would have no problem, Just like I had no problem.

(33:42):
I heard some people saying about thanking, uh, you know,
going not going for it on fourth and four. There, No,
you punt the ball. You played, you played the percentages,
you played smart. You don't want to, you know, give
them the ball right there. That's another problem because now
let's start doing that again. I did have a little
bit of a problem with them kicking off with taking
the ball in overtime. Yeah, and I could understand that

(34:05):
maybe you know, the defense was yes, but listen, in
that situation on the road, want I want my homes
out there, and I want to see what I have
to do, because it probably would have been better for
them with with Jones and Staga because then even if
they scored a touchdown, you know, okay, we got this
is what we gotta do. We gotta score a touchdown
because I.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Mean, you could have maybe saved the defense a little
bit if you'd chewed some clock up, even had you
not moved the ball dramatically offensively in the fourth, as
you could run, you could run some clock and maybe
not had to play at that. Maybe they chose to
play it that way. But I mean it was the
fourth three and out and kind of was the cherry
on top for a truly disgusting fourth. Mike and Brooklyn,

(34:44):
thank you as always, my man will talk at you.
Have a great Thanksgiving. We'll hit you up later on
this week.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Thank you, Jambie, you too, you and your family.

Speaker 5 (34:52):
Yeah, and we're on the same page with a lot
of that and what it did you so and not
again in an overly dramatic just knocking the quarterback around fashion.
But I mean, all of a sudden things quicken and
it wasn't a great offensive day anyway, but once the

(35:12):
decision making, you know, got quick, and you know there
was there was no tailor and Taylor didn't run the blake.
It was like two point one outside of that long run.
But I think the truth remains that you know, even
beyond looking for yards, which you were, you know, any
glimmer of offensive ball movement, hope in the fourth at the

(35:33):
same time, he kind of wanted to work that cluck.
That fourth lasted stinking forever to me. But you just
you do. You get out coached, you get out coached,
and you get out played. And for those of you

(35:56):
that's suggesting, Hey, you haven't said much about the defense.
We can make the argument all day that they were
out there too much and they were tired. But let's
face it, and I think these are facts, are they not?
You expect big playmaking ability. This is not just a

(36:19):
cobbled together secondary that a it's you. You have half twos. Now,
when you go out and make that move at the
trade deadline and you give up what you gave up,
you have half twos. So you have to be the
difference in a game. Well, that's putting too much on them.

(36:41):
They were tired too, damn bad. That's the point that
you made when you put together that deal and you
initiated it. That's what I was looking for. I'm looking
for big play ability, not Rice on a crucial third

(37:02):
down pass play running wild. I know it's hard, I
know it's difficult. I know you're tired, but you have
to look at that differently because you gave up way
too damn much not to do just that. Give me
really quick here, give me Chad before the break. Here Chad, Hello,

(37:23):
welcome to the show.

Speaker 11 (37:25):
Hey Jamie, how are you long time gonna talk?

Speaker 5 (37:27):
Good to hear from you, Chad, welcome back.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Hey.

Speaker 10 (37:30):
Yeah. I want to cover a couple things.

Speaker 11 (37:32):
Daniels Jones with his even though he's a mobile quarterback,
he doesn't use his legs nearly a smetth and with
this foot injury, I think we just need to go
max protect against the Houston pass threshers. Treat him like
an immobile quarterback, and even if it reduces a number
of pass catchers on the field by one, at least

(37:55):
Daniel Jones will have a little more time to see
the guy come open and hit him instead of basically
being flustered and making bad decisions. And then Patriots against
Freeny and Mathis all they did was run delayed draw plays,
so a little variation unpredictability like drop plays with Abdullah

(38:17):
and a chip and a pass in the.

Speaker 10 (38:19):
Flat to JT.

Speaker 11 (38:21):
I mean, just to keep those pass rushers h.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
And they tried to do that, tried he dropped it too,
So I mean there was they did initiate that what
you're talking about once and yeah, and this was not
a Chad. This was not a better day for the
offense and it wasn't one for Jonathan Taylor either. And
I just think, I think what everybody's trying to say,
and I do buy this, is you didn't go down
swinging with whom you should have gone down swinging with Falcons.

Speaker 11 (38:48):
They went down that path. Falcons were ganging up to
stop JT, but Psychin did not go away from JT.
He kept giving him the rock and eventually JT broke through.
So running back game momentum as the game goes on,
and he should have trusted him again, remembered the Falcons game.

(39:10):
They were also ganging up at the line of scrimmage
the same way, and every other team is going to
do that, And you got to keep feeding him because
this guy is a difference maker. And with Sauce Gardner,
I'd say it's like buying a Lamborghini and driving it
on four sixty five in rush hour Jets with gerld
Reeves played him and man coverage on one side. You

(39:33):
shut down this side, We'll play bracket.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
That's exactly That's exactly what I'm talking about. With expectations.

Speaker 11 (39:40):
Chat, that's exactly what my same thing with Richard Sherman too.

Speaker 10 (39:44):
He didn't take on the.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
Po And I just tell you that is the entire secondary.
That entire secondary is so touted that that's the expectation.
Chad Man. It's great to hear from you again, pal.

Speaker 11 (39:54):
Have a great holiday, yep, and looking forward to Brownsburg
winning six air again.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
Oh yeah, Oscar Fry shout out right there at quarterback
to Chad, welcome back. It's exactly what I'm talking about.
There are expectations, there's not this. Well they're retired and ah,
there are some half toos here. Yeah, Jonathan Taylor has
half twos. The quarterback has half toos. And now with
that deal, the secondary has half twos. Correct, put them

(40:24):
on somebody and blanket somebody. I don't think anybody's gonna
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calling in this game. They were out coached and outplayed,
and unfortunately for your Colts fans, a lot of the
questions that some of you had a little bit more
quietly than others, but certainly on the national level many had,

(41:41):
were reinforced by what we witnessed in the fourth quarter.
That was against the team that you could have stomped
out a former elite level team and then breathing some
life back into them, which you did with that loss.
That is a team that does not look ready for

(42:05):
the level in which people are expecting here That's what
stands out to me. And when things get a little
bit tough, things got tight. That wasn't good either. In
Kansas City in one score games had not been good
this year. Their history has been, but this season, not

(42:25):
until yesterday. Man in the Colts just absolutely opened the
front door. Open up eleven fourth quarter, it was opened
the front door and let him in. Stinks. Terry's up
next to two, three, nine, ten seventy, Terry. Welcome to
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(42:52):
you for the call? I agree. Ed's next, Ed, talk
to me, Ed, how are you?

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (42:59):
I'm doing just fans.

Speaker 12 (43:01):
H First thing I want to talk about is I
personally think Shane Stithen ought to hand over his play
calling to Jim Bob Cooter. I think they'd be doing
ack of a lot better with that.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
I am. I don't even know if it's yeah, yeah,
I've said that before. I look at the first three quarters,
and I wonder, when he's so far out in front,
why such a fourth quarter failure? And well, and I
think I think I'll finish and Ed, you can't too.

(43:36):
I think you see a lot of dudes in that
position that have a high level tendency to outthink themselves,
and I think he did just that, even more so
because it wasn't like there was a ton of pressure.
There was a lot of stuff that that certainly was
not normalcy in terms of offensive work ability for this

(43:56):
team throughout the game. But I think all of a sudden,
you kind of get in the bubble of the moment
and you forget about who your actual closer is. And
it's okay to believe in your quarterback, but you could
tell in that particular moment, especially when they were coming
at him, that that wasn't going to be it over

(44:17):
and over And certainly you look at the clock and
the circumstances. I mean, he's also got enough people in
his ear to say, hey, you know what, clock and
time and defense is tired and all that where you
should make more sound decisions. But I think the overwhelming
decision is, you know, why do you so easily go
away from from the dude we taut around here as
the MVP, at least until yesterday.

Speaker 12 (44:39):
Well this said in the first time that he's done.

Speaker 5 (44:41):
No, no, it's not it's nerve.

Speaker 12 (44:43):
He did the same thing. He set him out for
three straight plays yesterday. And one last thing is I
can live the rest of my life without here a
Tony Romo call a game.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
Yeah. Now, if you were talking, you know the same
things about the Colts, probably as he talks about Mahomes,
you could probably more easily live with it. I think
that's how people felt about everybody talking regarding Manning back
in the day. You know what I mean, that Mahomes
gets that particular treatment that makes sense to you, So
I could take I could take it or leave it.
He's sometimes all over the map.

Speaker 12 (45:14):
That referee yesterday, that was the first game that he
was a referee. He had been an umpire prior to this.
When the just promoted to the referee's job yesterday.

Speaker 5 (45:22):
Well, I thought I read where that particular crew was
the most flag throwing crew in the NFL.

Speaker 12 (45:31):
I read that.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
I thought, I read that. Yeah, I mean, and it
went it went both ways, and ed thank you for
the call, man, you call any time it went both ways.
But at the end of it all, who cares? I mean,
this is such a cult's problem. And you can say

(45:54):
they're eight and three and still firmly in control, and
you can be right, But that was still an egregious
fourth quarter and losing a game that you should have won.
And that's all a part of the process of getting
to where you expect to be. If you didn't expect

(46:14):
to be there, you don't pull off that trade for
Sauce Gardner. Yeah, maybe we're not thinking the same thing.
We're probably going over a similar level of criticism. But
this has to work. I tell you the other thing too.
Daniel Jones has to work, and Daniel Jones has to
be better. The offensive line has to be better. There's
nothing to write home about there either. You get a
little bit of pressure there and you see some welting,

(46:36):
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Speaker 3 (47:01):
That's interesting you look around the league.

Speaker 13 (47:02):
I think it's like analytics is like fifty to fifty split.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
You talk to coach around the league, it's.

Speaker 13 (47:07):
Split, and just kind of my philosophy is like, hey,
take the ball there try to go score. That's a
ten minute you know, overtime, and if you don't score,
you can punt them and back them up and then
if you get the stop, you'll probably get one more shot.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
That's kind of the thought process there.

Speaker 13 (47:23):
Now, if you do take the ball right and you
go score, now they're in four down mode the whole
way down. So there's the flip side of it too,
So there's different thoughts and theories to it. And I
thought there was take the ball, try to go score,
and then obviously, you know, try to stop them on
the flip in and like we did, pun them, back
them up and try to keep them back up so
you can get another shot.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
Shane Steichen on why you take the ball in overtime
with that decision. Now I mentioned the numbers on Jonathan
Taylor too. This was not an outstanding afternoon for the
Colts offense. However, they had had done. They had done
enough to give them an eleven point advantage, and then
everything went to hell in the handbasket in the fourth quarter,

(48:05):
as we witnessed when Jonathan Taylor fifty eight on the ground,
no touchdowns, a little over three and a half yards
per carry. That compares to a season averages of one

(48:25):
fourteen per game, over six per tote, and one and
a half touchdowns a game. So his offense wasn't there
with their offense, And then I just thought, you saw
Kansas City go to bringing everybody in the fourth and

(48:47):
Shane continuing to go to the pass and Daniel Jones
and the one thing that we know right now, and
maybe that changes, but what we know right now is
this team of other teams wouldn't be in quarterbacks would
be unless you're elite. When things are clear and everything

(49:08):
is running well, like in the first three quarters for example,
first half. Really when you're feeling good, then you're looking good,
But what do you do when things start crumbling around you?
Things are going boom around you. And Daniel Jones in

(49:32):
the past three weeks, you know, other than that third
down scrambling Berlin, we'll give him credit for that, it
really hasn't looked like he's a guy that's going to
withstand moderate to more heavy pressure situations. Is that fair
to say? No, he fits well in this offense, and
this offense hums when everybody's feeling good about it. But man,

(49:55):
all of a sudden, when the pressure comes and now
I'm sorry that blueprint is out there. And what Houston
can do on Sunday is what Pittsburgh did three weeks ago.
What's Bagnulo did yesterday in the fourth most often was
what Atlanta did for most of the game. That Atlanta

(50:17):
gave up big chunks of yardage the tailor, but the
Steelers held him to what with that a forty five
yard game going back three weeks ago. This is something
they have to figure out. And in terms of our
last call, ed who had mentioned, you know, Shane Steike
and you know, calling the plays and be the head coach,

(50:39):
somebody else should call the plays. That frankly is never
going to happen, certainly unless there's you know, drastic measures
that we see and then you know, maybe there's a
forcing there. But I would suggest that never happens. The
clock management stuff is and what sticks out just as

(51:02):
much as the Jones lean and not going to Taylor
in certain circumstances, I would say that there are struggles
and we saw that going all the way back to
the Denver game. Now there are other documents in witty
thing with the clock has been a testimonial why many

(51:26):
out there are kind of non believers in this. If
you're a non believer in Shansdeiken and Daniel Jones together
being able to elevate this team to elite status, if
you're a non believer in that, your opinion was reinforced
by that yesterday. If you didn't believe in what the

(51:48):
coach did at the trade deadline and going out and
giving that much for sauce Gardner because this team is
not that ready for clearly what they're going after right now,
then that reinforced your viewpoint yesterday. I know not a
lot of people are going to lump the defense in,
and I'm not going to get too harsh on the defense,

(52:10):
but I will say this, with what you see in
that secondary now comes with an entirely different level of responsibility.
It just does. I'm sorry. People look at sauce Gardner
as if he's going to be able to take somebody away,
or he at least should be able to. You look

(52:33):
at that whole group together, you expect playmaking ability, and
when you don't see it, and when you give up
tired or not chunks of yardage that lead to a
game winning field goal in overtime, then that's going to
come under some heavy level scrutiny, and it should. Colts

(52:58):
are still eight and three. That's you get Houston this weekend.
You get Houston twice. There are two games back, the
Jaguars are one game back. You still get them twice.
So your goals are still clear. But what is now
more cloudy is just where this team is compared to

(53:20):
where we thought. My suggesting Kansas City as an elite
level team, but that's an elite level been there and
done that and accomplish more than most ever will group
from coaches to players, and they put the pressure on
the fourth and the Colts wilted under that pressure. That's

(53:40):
the same type of pressure you're going to get at
the end of the season or in the po fourth quarter.
That just got being ready for it, simply put. And
for those of you that also are talking about the
offensive line, I would agree, seems like at times the

(54:02):
most the artists coming on the right side of that
offensive line on the run is when Quentin Nelson is
pulling and going out there and knocking guys out of
the way. Got to elevate that a little bit here,
actually a lot bit here, And let's face it, that's
been the offensive line and the protection. It wasn't overwhelming yesterday,
but it was the wrinkles that were thrown in by

(54:24):
one of the better defensive coordinators we have seen. That
to me was one of the bigger differences in the game.
It was almost like you go for three quarters and
that's who you are for three quarters, playing defensively, and
then you throw something at Shane Steichen when he feels
comfortable about the play calling, and he stays with that
and you do something different and you just take all

(54:47):
the air out of it. Now, one, not two, not three,
but four consecutive three and out possessions, legitimizing yourself in
terms of the elite in football, that's what everybody's looking for.

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Two three nine ten seventy is that number. We've got
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Speaker 10 (55:26):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (55:27):
JV? How are you Tom?

Speaker 5 (55:28):
I'm outstanding? Thank you.

Speaker 14 (55:31):
So I just wanted to comment after watching the Texans
on Thursday night last week. Yeah, uh, I got a
little bit nervous just watching them, kind of anticipating what
we were going to run into. And then after watching
the game yesterday, I feel pretty confident in.

Speaker 10 (55:51):
The concerns that I had.

Speaker 14 (55:53):
And you'd like to think that, you know, Houston started
off bad and they were kind of a joke and
we were gonna be okay at the beginning. But now, uh,
and next Sunday bothers me, bud.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
No, yeah, it should too. I mean watching Josh Allen
get chased around in sack day times should bother really anybody,
But certainly this Colt's offensive line that absolutely has to
be has to be better. In the last three weeks,
they really haven't.

Speaker 14 (56:21):
Right I Uh, they were, they were on top of
Josh Allen, and I get it, Buffalo is not what
we've been used to the last few years. But at
the same time, they they pretty well handled Buffalo, and uh,
I think I just hope we're a little more prepared.
It seemed like yesterday we were a little unprepared.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
I just see, yeah, listen, I buy I buy that.
In the fourth they looked incredibly prepared through the first half.
Like I said, when when things when things weren't complicated,
it was all good. When things got complicated in the
fourth and you saw it. Romo kept mentioning the fact
that hey, this is it, this is their season. They
have to go for it right now. They went for it.

(57:06):
In terms of defensively, Spagnulo threw that wrinkle in there
and the Colts still were doing the same type of
stuff where they thought they were in the flow and
it wasn't working, and that was compromising them on the
defensive side as well, with all those those three and
outs in the fourth quarter in overtime, and you saw
ultimately what happened. I don't people often talk about adjustments

(57:30):
and don't know what they're talking about it, and you
probably throw me in that category sometimes too, but I
rarely know, Well, there's no adjustments made. There were certainly
adjustments made, but the bigger adjustments made you could see,
was from Spagnulo putting the pressure on and giving a
different look and bringing really pressure and not even so
much pressure that sacked the quarterback, but they were fouling

(57:53):
up the works with Daniel Jones, and the last two
games we have seen that could happen and this Colt's
offense isn't the same against the Steelers or the Falcons
as we had seen prior to And that's what we
witnessed in the fourth yesterday.

Speaker 14 (58:09):
Oh I agree, I agree, I think we we we
got spokes by it, and all of a sudden it
seemed like we were individuals trying to make up the
difference as opposed to the team play that we've been
used to, you know, the whole year so far.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
Does this give you ample questions regarding Daniel Jones? Are
you confident in Daniel Jones or does this really this
magnify questions you might have about him?

Speaker 14 (58:35):
You know what, I'm confident in Daniel Jones for what
he is right now. And let's face it, we haven't
found our quarterback yet, right and we've had a couple
of quarterbacks over the years that I wish we would
have kept longer, Philip Rivers being one, but you know,

(58:56):
he had his own plans. But Daniel Jones what we
got now.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
So you're you're confident, and it's it's a coincidence, right
that they were playing the Chiefs yesterday. You're confident the
Daniel Jones is pretty much Alex Smith as a lot
of people have suggested.

Speaker 10 (59:12):
Right pretty much.

Speaker 5 (59:13):
Yeah, yeah, with that makes sense. It makes sense until
further notice, and hopefully we're all inaccurate with this assessment.
But when we've seen pressure, uh, this team, unfortunately offensively,
has has wilted beneath that pressure. And we're able to
save themselves in Berlin, but couldn't yesterday and and really
turned the ball over six times and unfortunately defensively by

(59:36):
the Steelers got out class three weeks ago. So a
lot of things to figure out. But I agree with
you as far as what Houston is going to bring
in here, which has been here recently, as we've seen
that has been a big problem for the Colts and
an offense. It's been problem for anybody's offense, but certainly
the Colts. This is not a great matchup as we

(59:57):
see coming in here. Yeah, hopefully they can change your
mind coming.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Up on Sunday.

Speaker 14 (01:00:02):
Hey, And and the other side of it is, you know,
our big voodoo whatever. We got Jacksonville coming up, and
they're not They're not a slacker either, So.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
No, Well, I mean you gotta approve well, and Tom,
thank you for the call. I appreciate that you got
to get them twice, both twice, and they are definitely
in the rearview. You didn't think this wasn't going to
be a fight, but you also haven't thought in the
games in which they have lost this season, the Colts, unfortunately,
have have laid the groundwork themselves. It's the Rams turning

(01:00:42):
it over against the Steelers fourth quarter yesterday. I mean,
in those three games and those three losses, has anybody
really bum rushed them and out classed them, out coached,

(01:01:04):
out maneuvered, outplayed in the fourth by Kansas City former player,
just handing the game over in LA and just massive
offensive line and ball security issues in Pittsburgh. Yeah, I

(01:01:26):
think that's fair to say. Anybody kind of backing up
on that belief of Daniel Jones, is that a fair
assessment to make? I got news for you for those
out there that believe, well, he's not the guy, and
you got to get somebody, not get anybody else. He's
going to be the guy. He's going to have to
get over whatever funk you get into when things start
to get haywire around you. He is really good. This

(01:01:51):
offense is really good. When everything's going on in the
smooth normally you know how that works out. We shall see.
And again my assessment of the defense was I disappointed

(01:02:11):
in it? No? Do I want to see more, especially
in terms of taking things away and playmaking ability in
the secondary? Yes? Is that going to be a lot
to ask? Yes, because they paid a lot for me
to ask. They gave up a lot for me to ask.

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Or I'm sorry, better yet, they gave up a lot
for me to expect. I expect that you can't just
look like your average secondary. Maybe it should be more
of a purpose with that group. And we're talking to
cam binh about that on Thursday, and believe me, he

(01:02:52):
said the same damn thing that I'm saying right now.
Those expectations are there. I'm not putting that loss that
fourth quarter on the defense, but I do you expect
to see more on the secondary than we ended up
witnessing in that game. Our quick break, we shall return
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Kind of the finger that I was pointing regarding Daniel
Jones and this is top notch nerdery right here. But
alas it does support the point that I was making,
Thus I'll embrace it. Daniel Jones released seventeen of his
thirty one passes and under two and a half seconds.

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That's fifty five percent above his season average of forty
to nine, but gained only seventy two yards on twelve
completions on quick passes, so more pressure is going to
be added. This is not Lombardi talking here regarding football.

(01:04:49):
I'm telling you that that's what you do against quarterbacks
in general. But we have seen, especially now in the
last three games against Daniel Jones, an offense that looked
unstoppable earlier this season is rather pedestrian, if not less
like yesterday, especially when you put that pressure on and

(01:05:13):
in the fourth Steve Spagnolo brought the pressure and then
Shane Steiken kind of placed it on the shoulders of
Daniel Jones, took it away from Jonathan Taylor. Then your
eleven point lead blows away and you lose an overtime.

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So just part of some of the adjustments that are
going to have to be made because you're going to
have a high pressure just you know, for the sake
of getting there on the ends with Hunter and with
Anderson coming up on Sunday with the Texans eight sacks
against Josh Allen last week. Back to that. In a
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Hello Michael, how.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Are you JMV in the place to be?

Speaker 10 (01:06:06):
How are you certain? Thank you for having me back.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
Dealing with a high level of Monday afternoon disappointment after
that giveaway late in the game and Casey yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
You know what, I just I'm listening to what you're saying,
and obviously you're brilliant at.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
What you do.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
But I mean, you can't you can't blame mister Jones.
I mean, come on, he's got to have a defense
that could stop an offense. I mean, and again, you
got to have an offensive line that could allow him
not to get killed. I mean, that's the bottom line.
You know, I'm a New Yorker obviously, and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
You know we all blame everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
Else but ourselves in New York. Okay, this kid, Daniel
Jones is the best thing that ever happened to you. Guys,
trust me when I tell you that I don't agree
with you well.

Speaker 5 (01:06:47):
And I mean, now we won't get into the debate
now because I have some debatable issues I would I
would like to pick up with you. And then because no,
he has been good, but he's kind of been found
out and his coach has got found out in the
fourth and that led to loss. I mean, we can't
forget the guy that we have stroked for MVP around

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here and really nationally is Jonthan Taylor. And he was
a forgotten man in the fourth. He's not the closer.
I mean John Fan Taylor is the closer. Daniel Jones is.
But anyway, I listen, that's not why you're here. You're
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Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
I all right. He brings up a good point. So
my two hardcore on Daniel Jones here two hardcore too
soft on the defense? I think I made my point

(01:09:21):
regarding the offensive line and Shane Steichen is is it
too hardcore on Jones? More put on a defense? We're
all with that. Yeah. Halfway through the show, I might
as well just see where you are as far as
what I've said so far. What do you think well

(01:09:42):
too soft on one one not the other. Stut of
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Neil is up next today, Neil, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 15 (01:09:53):
How are you, Jame b I'm doing great, baby. I'm
eastbound from Carmel to Fishers on four tires.

Speaker 5 (01:09:59):
And there you go. You're going to get there expeditiously. Outstanding.
That's right, So a little bit.

Speaker 15 (01:10:08):
Daniel Jones not the end of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Uh, kind of.

Speaker 15 (01:10:13):
In a similar situation earlier this year with a defensive
coordinator for Notre Dame by the name of Chris Ash,
everyone is ready to can him at the very beginning
of the year and he's completely turned it around. However,
I have a concern with Daniel Jones and whoever it
is on the Colts offense.

Speaker 16 (01:10:31):
Who is our guy, Who's the.

Speaker 15 (01:10:33):
Guy that gets the troops going, who gets us hype
when we need it?

Speaker 5 (01:10:36):
You're talking about you, Glad. Jonathan Taylor is the guy. Now,
he's not the the raw rock guy anything, but he's
the dude. He's the dude.

Speaker 17 (01:10:45):
Who is the raw rock guy who's going to circle
the troops kid of Hepe Man. I feel like we
need someone like that, because I whenever they show the bench,
they show Daniel Jones sitting on the bench, looks like
he's kind of just sitting there wondering, you know what
flowers he's gonna buy.

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
I will tell you this, Neil. I I the demeanor
on the bench doesn't bother me. It wilting under pressure does.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
So.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
And then in a coach kind of leaning on something
that that wasn't working clearly late in the game, that
bothers me too. But I don't think that other stuff does.
He's just kind of a very understated, soft spoken dude.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that, all right, all.

Speaker 15 (01:11:25):
Right, well, I don't think it's the end of the world. Obviously.
I was to say pissed off of being an understatement yesterday,
But we'll move on. At the NFL, there's still a
lot of football to be played. I just hope we
can win in Jacksonville this year.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
For the love of God.

Speaker 5 (01:11:42):
Well, I'm telling you, I'm glad we can take part
in your commute from Carmel to Fishers with four tires
and a full tank of gas.

Speaker 15 (01:11:51):
I tell Irish co coach.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
Oh, thank you, Neil, Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Neil.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
Yeah, go Irish. I'm not an Irish guy. In case
you haven't knows if you guys noticed that, I'm not
an Irish guy. I like Neil and I like a
lot of I like Kevin Bowen a lot, But Irish
football fans wear my ass out. I always hear you

(01:12:18):
gotta talk about it more, you got to bring it up.
And normally what I do is I bring up things
that people care about around here. And I do know
that there are some fans, but I don't think it's
large enough for me to give too big of a
crap about. I could be wrong about that too, just
maybe JAMV. I think you are going a little bit

(01:12:42):
too soft in the defense. Yeah, I'm not about I'll
take that back. I think I'm a little bit too
harsh in the fact that they're on the field forever.
The offense gave them zero assistance in the fourth zero none.

(01:13:03):
And I also think my expectations, and I will tell
you this for sure, are much higher regarding that secondary
than yours. Like when I witnessed from that secondary yesterday,
I expect so much more and it's probably unfair they
probably played. If you were to geek it out and
to watch the tape and to analyze it and all

(01:13:25):
the stuff the nerds do that I'm sure Iselle not
gonna do. If you're to do that, you probably draw
the conclusion that they had a really good game, but
giving up chunks of yardage going down the field when
it really truly matters. That's what I saw from a
group where I expect at the absolute highest level until
further notice, that's going to be it. And that is

(01:13:48):
again the stage you set when you make that trade
deadline deal. True. True A Stephan seventy right now, Stefan.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
What's up? Jayon?

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
What's in your world?

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
All right?

Speaker 18 (01:14:07):
Man, My world's going great. I'm hanging in there like
a fat kid playing badger ball. But you know how
it goes. So my thing is, when it comes to
this the situation, I'm a chronicalize it. No, you're consistent
in your assessment on how you look at sportsman in Indianapolis.
Look at Miles Turner. Miles Turner. No, Miles Turner, we
have a layup lining. Everybody now all of a sudden
sees what he did. Oh, that's what Miles did. Now,

(01:14:30):
when it comes to mister Daniel Jones, he's a game manager.
We have to accept that he does great managing the game.
He's basically Alex Smith after the leg, the break.

Speaker 10 (01:14:42):
That's all we.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Gotta expect of him. But the fact of the matter is.

Speaker 18 (01:14:45):
I understand you don't want to put more workload on
Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
You still have a duer who's actually a killer too, So.

Speaker 18 (01:14:53):
Run the ball and save us the heartache.

Speaker 5 (01:14:58):
Yeah, do you think that? Do you think if they
would get for example, Stefan they didn't run the ball
well yesterday Jonathan Taylor wasn't having a better day either,
even before he didn't get the ball, for example, in
the fourth end and overtime. Do you think that had
they gone out and still kept sending him and sending

(01:15:20):
him with really no positive results, we would still be
this hardcore on stiking or would we were reverse our
opinion and say, well, you got to throw it a
little bit, you got to try to open it up.

Speaker 8 (01:15:32):
Well.

Speaker 18 (01:15:33):
No, the problem in the whole situation is that you
still have him as an ecoy and you still can
run play action. The fact that this team is not
learning how to run play action was insanity. I mean,
it's literally the case. Some point the Aston Dolan play
where he hit he did smack over, but he accepted
the rest that came in and hit the offensive line out.

(01:15:53):
You're not helping the offensive line the players that you're calling.
You're getting the offense line keeled and they're getting nicked
up even more. It's more to that game. It's more
asking how you do it to save your team. You're
not looking at it from a full picture from my situation,
looking at SEMs psyching, because dude, a play a hardcore
play action and you turn around and you hit a

(01:16:14):
doing over there, You're gonna suck the defense all the
way over. There's a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
You just basically grew up a great play.

Speaker 18 (01:16:20):
It ruined it by not running play actions.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
How by that, Stephan, By the way, my hoops, it's
a little compromise right now, I've got some achilles swelling
going on.

Speaker 18 (01:16:33):
You keep a close eye on that makes sure elevate elevate, Hey.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
Stephan man, remember the advice you gave me once upon
a time. I live in the world of low tops.

Speaker 14 (01:16:44):
The killer death.

Speaker 5 (01:16:48):
We live in this world of low tops. How did
anybody ever have positive ankle results back in the day
with Chuck Taylor's how'd you not break an ankle or
pops up? Then every time you did anything?

Speaker 18 (01:17:01):
Hey, look, think about this unnecessary roughness with the hot top.

Speaker 5 (01:17:07):
You know what, My achilles are so swollen right now
that I have a pair of hot tops, I can't
get it over my achilles. So I have to go
with the low tops.

Speaker 18 (01:17:17):
That could be really careful being because that thing will
pop and you will be.

Speaker 5 (01:17:20):
No, we're going down that path. Stefan. Good to hear
from you, man, quick break will come back. Stephen Holder,
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in here on this Monday. How you doing right?

Speaker 18 (01:20:31):
Pissy?

Speaker 5 (01:20:33):
You say Pissyissy? Me too, man, me too. I'm a
little pissy myself. Do I sound pissy?

Speaker 6 (01:20:41):
Not nearly as much as me?

Speaker 10 (01:20:42):
Johns all right, buddy, Because.

Speaker 6 (01:20:45):
I look at it like this, John, I haven't pasted
the NFL. Having coached high school, having coached college, but
I've coached a little league and I've been able to
score more than six yards in a quarter. I don't
see how that's even remotely possible when you've got the
leading rusher you got Michael Pittmantolla Warren and Alec Pearce.

(01:21:08):
I'm trying to wrap my mind around it. I don't
that even possible.

Speaker 18 (01:21:12):
That lost yesterday.

Speaker 6 (01:21:13):
It's got me questioning everybody.

Speaker 18 (01:21:15):
It's got me questioning the girls.

Speaker 6 (01:21:17):
He got me saying, should we have traded the first
round to the first round?

Speaker 18 (01:21:22):
I know, and let Daniel Jones get a quarterback.

Speaker 6 (01:21:25):
I'm just saying, I don't want to overreact, but how
can you not Daniel Jones is starting to move into
that Sam Garnold territory of last year. Let's just call
it what it is. He's starting to move in to
that territory.

Speaker 5 (01:21:39):
Nay Ray Love. I said this at the outset of
the show yesterday, and the result and how it transpired.
What it does. It magnifies what many people have thought.
It reinforces the negative opinion about the Colts doing this
as an NFL mirage with an e schedule and not

(01:22:02):
much behind it take an advantage of situations that you know,
really don't suggest record wise that they're an elite level team.
And yesterday, from coaching, to quarterback play, to offensive line
play to that fourth quarter, reinforced that particular opinion or
in this case plural those opinions absolutely.

Speaker 6 (01:22:25):
And you know what, John, you should be probably a
little happy my thanksgivings ruined from yesterday, But you should
be a little happy about Sunday. We're gonna get our
first must win of the day.

Speaker 5 (01:22:38):
Damn right we are, Yes, wirk one, we.

Speaker 18 (01:22:41):
Better get it doing.

Speaker 14 (01:22:42):
I know that we better get it done.

Speaker 5 (01:22:45):
I gotcha, Ray Love, you have a great thanksgiving. Thank
you very much for the call. Raise Ryan Man. Yeah,
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Speaker 5 (01:23:41):
I ind why on the road in Arrowhead. Oh, there
was a time when everything looked good and then you
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so you take issue you with what the most in
terms of being critical about this team's performance yesterday?

Speaker 19 (01:25:08):
Oh my god, there's so much. It's hard to narrow
it down. I'm being honest. So I'll give you a
list in no order. I think a couple things. Number One,
they got to figure out what the hell is going
on against the blitz. They cannot just be there in
the headlight again the blitz like that.

Speaker 10 (01:25:27):
And I get it.

Speaker 19 (01:25:27):
Not every team is going to have as creative blitzes
and as as as you know, aggressive blitzes, maybe as
as Stagnolo does in Kansas City. But they're they're putting
this on tape, Okay, other teams are watching.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Yep.

Speaker 19 (01:25:45):
That's the first thing. They have to figure that out.
They were abysmal all those third downs in the fourth quarter.
And it's on my Twitter feed if you want to
go look at it. All of the four the third
downs in the in the fourth quarter, all three of
them they faced a five or six man pass rush
and it was a disaster. Okay, that's number one. Number two.

(01:26:06):
Shane Stikeen would probably push back on this, but I
think you've got to try to run it a little more.
And I'm not sitting here saying that it was easy,
that it would have been easy. It would not have been,
there's no question. And there were heavy boxes sometimes, but
you know what, they didn't get in the yards the
other way anyway, right, they didn't get in any yards
with incompletions. They didn't have a lot going on in

(01:26:28):
the passing game. Jones was struggling. At least try, That's
all I'm saying. At least try. He tried it on
I think that first first down and he gave up.
And again, I get it, you don't want to bang
your head against the wall. I'm not oblivious to that.
But I just think the reason they lost was because
Mahomes had enough time, and I mean just enough time.

(01:26:51):
If you run that ball a few more times, you
might not get much of anything. But at least okay,
at least you make them burn their timeouts, and then
I would say, just finally, there's just too many.

Speaker 10 (01:27:06):
Sort of.

Speaker 19 (01:27:08):
You know, sort of scramble play completion from Mahomes'. That's tough,
and he's so great in those situations, but if somebody
has to make a play at some point, somebody has
to make a play. I thought the corners, the two
big money corners. I have no issue with those guys.
And I know people are down on ward because you

(01:27:28):
gave up some stuff at the end. I think you're
just covering too long there and at some point, after
ninety plays, that's gonna happen. That's just football, man. But
just again, someone has to make a play there at
the end on those scrambled drill plays with Mahomes.

Speaker 5 (01:27:44):
So anyway, yeah, but that's what I thought, and I
hold down. I think we have to hold down to
the highest of regard in that secondary. And this is
probably inaccurate of me, and I said so earlier that
there's gotta be some playmaking ability there too. I mean,
I just I expect that. I know it's Mahomes and

(01:28:05):
I know it's easier said than done, but they did
give up a lot of chunk yardage. And I know
they were tired and all that, but the excuse is
go out the window when you make the deal that
you did back during the NFL trade deadline. So I'll
start right there, but that is not my major point.
And you're right with the offense here too. The moment
that speck Nulo went to that all out downhill blitz.

(01:28:27):
I mean, it's twofold. It compromises the offensive line because
they look clueless and the whole operation with Daniel Jones,
this team looks really good and fluid when they're on
easy Street, but when that goes down, they're an absolute
mess offensively. And their head coach could not get him
out of it and really kept beating his head against

(01:28:47):
the wall with something that wasn't working, hasn't worked, and
wasn't going to work. And I thought that that was
a major disappointment of mine too.

Speaker 19 (01:28:55):
Yeah, look, Shane Is he has to find answers. Okay, period,
there's no if answer butts here. And Daniel Jones, who's
just being honest, awful, Okay, I'm gonna say it, freaking awful,
all right. He missed at least three throws in that
fourth quarter where he has to be on the screws,

(01:29:17):
and he was not. Look, this is the game, Okay.
You want to be a big time quarterback, you got
to make the big time plays. The other quarterback outplays you. Now,
I get it, he's the greatest. I get it. But
this is what I've been saying since the preseason when
I thought a lot less of Daniel Jones. Admittedly, right,
what I was saying, what we all were saying, is

(01:29:38):
when it comes down to quarterback playmaking time, is he
gonna be able to make the plays?

Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
Well?

Speaker 19 (01:29:45):
The jury now is a little bit out on that, okay.
And he hasn't done it in the two big games
where they got their heads kicked in at times, right
Pittsburgh in this game, and he's gonna have to go
prove it, all right, because his the agent's going to
go as for thirty five million dollars this off season, Well,
you better go earn it, okay. Because there is another

(01:30:08):
alternative view of Daniel Jones. And I love Daniel. I
think he's done an incredible job. What he's been one
of the best stories in the NFL all year. However,
there is an alternative, I guess viewpoint with him. And
it's that he's a creation of same second, I'm not
saying it, but I'm saying, if you want to make
that case. I could make that case if I wanted to. Okay, you,

(01:30:32):
as Daniel Jones, have to go out there and you
got to put it on tape and show it. And
that was not it yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:30:39):
No it's not. And I thought, that's bagnulo, you know,
much like we had seen in Atlanta, or I should say,
in Berlin versus Atlantain. And what I think you can
in comparable terms from Pittsburgh equate to what you're going
to see with Anderson and Hunter coming up on Sunday
with the Texans in town. You mentioned this earlier. The

(01:31:02):
tape is out. I mean, everybody knows how you mess
up the operation of this Colts offense right now. And
that's what's Maagnuloh and the Chiefs did in the fourth quarter.
That's what Pittsburgh did, just with a couple of veteran
guys that have done it at a high level before.
That's what Atlanta did, but the Colts escape with a
win in Berlin. You're right, I mean, that tape is

(01:31:24):
out there right now, and you've got to find some
ways and means to deal with it. And you mentioned
the offensive line. The right side of the offensive line
I thought was awful. And I think the only time
it wasn't awful is when you saw Quintin Nelson like
pulling on the right side of the offensive line. The
other part of it I thought was a huge mess.

Speaker 19 (01:31:42):
Yeah, so many of the things that this team has
hung its hat on are now in question. And I
think this is an emergency, okay. And I'm not the
guy that's like over the top. I try not to
be so. I think people I've been in this town
long enough. I think people know how I am.

Speaker 10 (01:31:59):
Right.

Speaker 19 (01:31:59):
I try to look at things level headed. But look,
we have to judge them in terms of where they're
trying to go, all right. They're not just trying to
get to the playoffs, all right, Right. You can't start
you can't start seven and one and just act like
just getting to the playoffs good enough. It ain't good enough, man.

(01:32:19):
And frankly, they haven't even done that yet. Okay, let's
be honest, right, they still got to do that. They
got to get there. But all I'm saying is like
the bar is high. It changed Okay, I get it.
Everybody was ready to fire everybody. I know, I understand that.
But when you play well and you show you're capable
of more, well, the bar, the bar gets raised. It

(01:32:39):
is what it is, Okay. I'm just sitting here making
a working man salary. Okay, Like the big bucks are
going to those guys, so like, you know, that's just
the job, buddy, you know. So what I'm saying is
I don't have any problem with saying let's hold them
to a high standard because they showed that that's what
they're worthy of.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Right.

Speaker 19 (01:33:00):
The other thing I would say is you talked about
and I as well about other teams won in the film. Well,
they also look at tendencies too. And one of the
things that I'm wondering about is do other coaches realize
that if you can get Shane a little frustrated with
the run.

Speaker 5 (01:33:17):
Game, that he's going to have a question? No question, okay,
And I'll tell you I had.

Speaker 19 (01:33:23):
I had someone in the NFL today text me, okay
who clearly watched the tape this morning, and the text was,
what's with these coaches who just give up on the run?
What's going on with that? He was talking about Shane.
I mean, other people are asking the same question, so
I'm telling you they look at those tendencies and this

(01:33:46):
is not the first time with Shane. So I don't
think it's just this one game. I think that is
I think somewhat well known out there.

Speaker 5 (01:33:53):
I think he was outside of that long or his
longest run was like just a smidge over two yards
of carry.

Speaker 19 (01:34:02):
But also you know who also you know who also
didn't have a lot of yards per carry, Kareem.

Speaker 5 (01:34:07):
Hunt right well, and here's here's my point I was
going to make off of that. You also, you know,
the fourth quarter, you get down to the to the
end of it, and you're also doing that in terms
of utilizing the clock, which you couldn't do. I mean,
your four consecutive including overtime three and outs, and your
your defense was gassed clearly and you continued to give

(01:34:31):
them no help whatsoever. And the stat that really sticks
out to me regarding Daniel Jones, as you start the game,
when I mentioned you're on easy Street and everything is
going smoothly. Your operation is smooth, You're in rhythm. You're
sixteen to twenty for two touchdowns. You finished the game
three of eleven and a single first down I think

(01:34:52):
is the way that it was. And you know, and
Steichen kept going to it, and that to me is
bad business.

Speaker 19 (01:35:01):
Yeah, and you talked about the clock, and I want
to be specific. You probably know this, but for the
for the audience in the fourth quarter, I think this
is yeah, just the fourth quarter. They ran three minutes
and fourteen seconds of clock. Three minutes, fourteen seconds. Okay,

(01:35:23):
they had no first downs in the final eighteen minutes
of regulation. You just to lose, Okay, they I don't
want to hear this nonsense. They let it get away. Yeah,
they let it get away because they didn't do a
damn thing. You can't not get a first down for
the last eighteen minutes of the game and expect to win.
Get out of here. That's that's ridiculous, right, I mean,

(01:35:45):
that's that's what we're talking about. If they get one
or two first downs, I bet money they win, I
guarantee it.

Speaker 10 (01:35:53):
Think about that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:53):
The other thing I've noticed too. Maybe it's happened recently,
but I don't think so. When's the last time that
they stopped the two point conversion?

Speaker 10 (01:36:02):
Oh, well, that's a great question.

Speaker 5 (01:36:04):
I don't know, because it seems like if I'm the opposition,
I seriously, if I'm aggressive to I starts to think
about going for two every time, because I don't think
they've stopped one in years. Maybe they have, but it
doesn't seem like that they have to me, maybe I.

Speaker 10 (01:36:19):
Don't know the answer, but I need to look it up. Now.
I believe did Atlanta have one?

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
I think anybody has one if they want one, don't
they That's the way that it feels to me. It's
whenever they go out there for a two point conversion. Now, granted,
I think teams could go for it more than they
do and be successful. They just don't because nobody else
is trending upward and doing it before them. Nobody has,
you know, the balls to do it. But probably people

(01:36:47):
would view it as being foolish. But you know, in
terms of going against the Colts, it seems like that
that's good business to me.

Speaker 19 (01:36:54):
Yeah, And I think one of the things to mention
defensively is, I mean this is sort of obvious, but
I think you really saw the lack of the forest
buckner in that game. Because they got some edge pressure.
They did win sometimes on the edges, but guess what.
That doesn't phase Patrick Mahomes. It doesn't phase him at all.

(01:37:17):
He steps up and he sides up and he keeps.

Speaker 10 (01:37:20):
The play alive.

Speaker 19 (01:37:21):
That guy is completely unbothered by edge pressure. What you
gotta do is you got to get in his face
and make him have to stay in the pocket and
then you can get to him from the air.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Yea.

Speaker 5 (01:37:32):
And I will tell you this too. He wants you
to do that in those circumstances, especially when Rice wasn't
on the field, because he doesn't really trust outside of
Rice and Kelsey, you know a lot of other dudes
I think consistently on his offense. So when he's getting
in that scramble mode, I think he feels more comfortable.

Speaker 19 (01:37:50):
No, I think you're right. And him and Kelsey, particularly
in that scramble mode. You know, they have been doing
that for years. So that's like now they're just out.
They're doing harder and glow trotter stuff, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:38:03):
And you're right and.

Speaker 19 (01:38:04):
Rice as well. Now, so I don't disagree with you.
He's the one guy who when he's off schedule, he's
just as good as when he's on schedule, you know,
or I guess not off schedule. But like when he's
off his spot, you know some of some guys tend
to break down when the play breaks down. The play
breaks down from my homes and he's just like, ah,

(01:38:24):
this is my element.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:38:27):
It is really uncanny, and I do want to say this, Okay,
I know no one wants to hear it if you're
a Colts fan, but you allow yourself to take a
step back and just say the guy is amazing.

Speaker 10 (01:38:41):
He is. He is special.

Speaker 19 (01:38:43):
I'm just telling you you are seeing you are seeing
unprecedented quarterback play with Patrick Mahomes. No one else has
been able to do what he does in these situations
when plays break down.

Speaker 10 (01:38:54):
He's just he's one of one. I just want to
say that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:57):
He is Steven Holder of ESPN, ESPN dot. He's on
the Andy Moore out of Motive Group potline. Did you
think Daniel Jones was compromised with his calf fibula whatever
the hell it is.

Speaker 19 (01:39:10):
Look, I really kind of badgered Shane Steichen on that
this afternoon a little more because I told him, I
said saying, I said, you said fibula, And I got
to be honest, I thought all weekend long, I was
like that doesn't make any sense. What is going on
with fibula and he just refused to give any details.

(01:39:31):
And to your question, I thought he looked not quite himself.

Speaker 5 (01:39:36):
The scramble out of bounds where he kind of walked
to the sideline is the time when I noticed that
maybe he wasn't all right.

Speaker 19 (01:39:44):
Tell me another time this season where Daniel Jones has
has conducted himself that way on a scramble. Name one
other time. If anything, we've been like, hey man, run
out of bounds, be careful.

Speaker 10 (01:39:57):
Okay. I'm not saying he's taking like.

Speaker 19 (01:39:59):
Brutal hits, but he tends to finish the play, Okay,
He's trying to get every possible yard. That guy he
couldn't wait to get to the sideline on that play.
And that's not the Daniel Jones that I've been watching
all year. So I am very lary of whatever is
going on with him. I don't know if this is
a product of the Atlanta game where he had to

(01:40:22):
have some pretty tough runs at the end of that game,
and there were even questions for me sitting in the
press box, like is he okay because he got hit
pretty hard at the end of that game a couple times,
if you recall. So there was no practice that week,
so therefore we had no injury report coming out of
the Berlin game. So it's impossible to know unless they

(01:40:42):
tell us, and no one's talking. But I do have questions, Yes,
I have questions, and I do wonder if some of
his inaccurate throws could have been a product of whatever's
going on with him physically, you know, But I'm dispecing.

Speaker 10 (01:40:56):
But they didn't have a question.

Speaker 5 (01:40:58):
They didn't have a third, more veteran being ripping quarterback
option made available for them, So I think that eased
everybody's mind until and maybe we do over analyze it
a little bit. But he didn't. He didn't look like
on the run he was nearly the way that we
have seen him, especially after knowing what we know.

Speaker 19 (01:41:18):
I guess now, Stephen, Yeah, And I think the thing
to also keep in mind here is after the game,
we asked Daniel straight up, like, how are you doing physically?
And he didn't say, oh, it's nothing. He said, well, look,
if you're good enough to play, you play well. That
doesn't make me feel any better. So that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:41:41):
Yeah, and you get the Texans and must win mode
coming up for the Colts too, as well as the
Sex and five Texans on Sunday, and he watched the
way they demolished Josh Allen and the Bills. That didn't
make anybody sleep easier for sure.

Speaker 19 (01:41:57):
Now you're getting two back to back desperate teams, all right,
that was the reality. I was talking to my colleague
at ESPN, Jeff Darlington, before the game yesterday, and he
had been doing some reporting with Chiefs. He's covered them
a long time, and he said, look, these guys like
they this is the super Bowl for them because like.

Speaker 10 (01:42:17):
They know, they gotta win, they gotta have it, you know.

Speaker 19 (01:42:19):
He just sensed something about them. And I think you
know enough about the Chiefs to know how they play
in those situations, and you saw it in that fourth quarter. Okay,
So now here is another team that is fighting for
its life and trying to find its way, and they
are responding based on Thursday night. So that is a
very powerful thing that you have to fight through. And

(01:42:42):
this Coast team has kind of been on autopilot for
a while.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
Right.

Speaker 19 (01:42:45):
I don't mean like they weren't taking things seriously. I'm
not suggesting that.

Speaker 5 (01:42:48):
When things get hard, they've gone away. Steven. That's problematic,
and that's that's.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
What I'm getting.

Speaker 19 (01:42:54):
This is the first time it's gotten really hard for
them where they're like, okay, now you got to fight
for your life now, and that is not something they've
had to do all year long. So this is going
to be very revealing, I believe.

Speaker 5 (01:43:04):
Stephenholder of ESPN at ESPN dot com, he's on the
Andy Morro Automotive Group pileline. Always a good Monday, and
after a month long hiatus, we'll see you back in
Lucas Royal Stadium coming up on Sunday, Stephen, Thank you?
All right, you got it, Stephen Holder. Anybody worked the
knowledge on the two point conversion? Am I right about this?
Seems like the Colts give up every single two point conversion.

(01:43:31):
I can't be the only one that feels that way, now,
know that, you know I'm not quite right, certainly not bright,
but I cannot be the only one that feels that way.
Bell's at two three, nine, ten seventy up next here, Billy, Hello, JMV.

Speaker 16 (01:43:50):
How you doing today?

Speaker 5 (01:43:51):
Outstanding? Thank you for the call.

Speaker 16 (01:43:54):
Before the Brothers Blue Wednesday and everything is always nice.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
Of being brought up the edition.

Speaker 5 (01:44:00):
It's the true you've been. You've been a part of
this tradition with us for a number of years. Man,
I can't thank you enough.

Speaker 16 (01:44:06):
Well, I appreciate the opportuity to come to the shows. Man,
it's always good time. I could agree with Stephen Holder more.
Uh the big King nobody's talking about. Uh is or
he's the first one I heard talk about.

Speaker 10 (01:44:18):
It was the lack of.

Speaker 16 (01:44:21):
Presence from the Forrest Buckner because of the injury. Yeah,
you know that you're taking you're taking the leader, and
I think he's the leader of the defense. You take,
you take the leader off the board and everything, and
then you're playing the Chiefs and Narrowhead Stadium. That's that's
gonna be pretty tough. And another thing about Daniel Jones'

(01:44:41):
injury was I think when they had a third and
one there in the fourth quarter, that's the time when
I'm used to them.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
Being a quarterback snakes.

Speaker 5 (01:44:49):
Yeah, that's that is a great point that you're making.

Speaker 10 (01:44:52):
Yes, and they didn't.

Speaker 16 (01:44:54):
They didn't try that either, So of course, who knows
what goes on at the bottom of that bround everything.
You somebody grabbing his leg and everything twisted his fibula.
But I think that that was kind of telling. But
I still believe. I still believe in this thing. And
with Houston, I think c J. Stroud if he if
he didn't. I didn't watch the game against Buffalo and everything,

(01:45:18):
but think k strouzen Off a lot like Patrick Mahomes
and the way that he operates. He operates out of
the pocket and tries to make things happen on the fly.
So they're gonna get another dose of of that kind
of quarterback play with, like you said, a very hungry
Houston team. So hey, it's gonna be uh, it's gonna
be great to watch. I still believe in the Colts,

(01:45:39):
but yeah, you got to show up against Houston and
they just don't give up very many points. If you
score twenty points on Houston and everything, at least this
is the second part of the season. It's it's it's
an accomplishment. So we'll see how they respond and if
somebody could file a missing person's reported out Pierce, because

(01:46:02):
I think he was the guy that they really needed
to try to get the ball to and the Colts.

Speaker 5 (01:46:07):
Didn't look at it too much yesterday. Yeah, I didn't
look at it too much.

Speaker 16 (01:46:12):
They really didn't. I mean, and one of the tendency
if you're in the Tennessee camp and everything, and you
know Tyler Warren isn't the one that kind of stirs
the drink.

Speaker 5 (01:46:22):
Hey, Billy, I got to run here, but I will
see you on Wednesday, right, buddy.

Speaker 10 (01:46:27):
We will be there.

Speaker 5 (01:46:28):
I got it. Thank you, Billy Whin' Shuler. Spreadability, find
it at your favorite Myer location instead of Indiana High
level snacking later on tonight. The spreadability of when the
Shoolers I'm gonna do. I may even run the numbers
the two point conversions. Not that it matters, but it
does intrigue me a little bit. James, Thank you very much,
Stephen Holder, Michael Westwood, all of you for being a

(01:46:51):
part of this. Will do it again tomorrow with three
Colts round table. Next Pacer Hoops coming up after that,
ninety three to five one oh seven five the fan
dot Com take a bow. You guys have been outstanding.

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