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Speaker 1 (00:10):
And where are we go here? Anything you have a
chance against us? Mister cowboy?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Okay, what do you like to do?

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (00:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Play chess?

Speaker 5 (00:21):
Screw Sweller's play chest.

Speaker 6 (00:23):
They give off the Jonathan Taylor Chuck cunning its way
clock to the goal line.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
He's in there, put down.

Speaker 5 (00:30):
Dye.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Why Jonathan Taylor realer finds John.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Here's haliber into the front court, mishandled it, but gets
a shot hens it.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
John. I have never been bedroom to be on the
air with you here in Indianapolis, a place where so
many of my dreams have come true.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
With the ride with jmvy on ninety three five and
one oh seven five, the fan.

Speaker 6 (01:00):
Jones goes out of the gun he's going to take
to the air on first down, plants in the pocket
looking left, lies it down the near side.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Got Tyler war to catch inside the red zone.

Speaker 6 (01:08):
The rook Penn state inside the fifteen and he's pushed
out of bounds at the Green Bay eleven yard line.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Third and nine.

Speaker 6 (01:15):
After the penalty moved the ball back to the twenty four.
The Packers are bringing the blitz. Richardson in trouble, gets
out of the initial way of going to take off.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
There's a flag on the play.

Speaker 6 (01:23):
Richardson scrambled will conclude around the fifteen yard line. That's
going to be defensive holding though on the Packers, and
the scramble for Anthony Richardson might be enough to produce
a first down, second down in goal for the Colts
at the three. They're quickly right back on the ball
Richardson out of the gun. They give it the Goods
right up the middle. Now he's angling to the right,
lookie for the goal line.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
He's saying touchdown.

Speaker 6 (01:43):
Tyler Goodson a run into the end zone of three
yards and the Colts have the first touchdown of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oh Gerzma.

Speaker 6 (01:50):
The rookie backs to throw a clean pocket checks it down,
caught by Wilson forty five fifty down the far sideline
in the Colts territory thirty twenty five and he has
blasted out of balance by the Colts around the twenty
yard line.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Emanuel Wilson.

Speaker 6 (02:04):
Now it's going to be about a forty three yard
field goal here for the rookie Mark McNamee of Irish background.
This one is up and it is good. Hel Gerzma
to a Bonnie Conda going left, powering up field into
the end zone. He goes touchdown. It's their first touchdown
of the game. And it's now the Colts thirteen and

(02:26):
green Bay nine with four minutes and nineteen seconds to
go third quarter. This will be a fifty six yard
field goal. Balling into your hash, Rigo Sanchez to put
it down. There's the spot. Kick is on its way.
It's headed for the uprights and it is good. Whoo
Spencer Strader good from fifty six. El Gerzma out of

(02:47):
the gun, ball in the right hash. Shotgun snapped to
the quarterback, hands off to Lamar Johnson. Johnson bouncing off
of tackwards and he's into the end zone. With second
and third effort from nine yards out, Amar Johnson touchdown
and that ties the game. Here at the moment, out
of the gun, takes a handoff, rolling left, he's at

(03:07):
the ten, he's at the five. He's gonna run in
untouched touchdown.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
What are back? Run by Clifford?

Speaker 6 (03:13):
Eleven yard Sean Clifford into the end zone.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
And Green Bay has the lead.

Speaker 6 (03:18):
Being out of the gun and motion as Coleman owen
back to the left side, shotgun snap for bean filing
the pressure pasttime throws down God, the Lonny Woods makes
the catch to the pilote and he is out of bounds.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
At the one yard line for a game.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
Of thirty six seconds to go, and the Cults are
one yard away.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
From possibly winning the game. After hear ruling is an
incomplete pass? Well, what is that?

Speaker 6 (03:47):
A very anti climactic finish here at Lucas Oil in
preseason game number two and it belongs to the green
Bay Packers. It's green Bay twenty three of the Indianapolis
Colts nineteen?

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Is this me? I love the what's that? There's not more? James?
What's that? Love you? Joe writes right there, that's Matt,
that's Joe from the Colts Radio network. That, of course
from this past Saturday afternoon and preseason game two. Hey,
welcome to the show. Got a busy one fo you
later off today. I let it all out for you.

(04:22):
I know mostly there was going to be this constant
debate regarding who is going to start at quarterback for
the Colts. And I'm not downplaying any of this, and
I hate it, absolutely hate the fact I have to
take this particular angle, and it's not regarding the decision
you know where I've stood. I've not had or felt

(04:44):
the need to get into constant debate on social media
because I've said it's going to be Anthony Richardson. That's
what I've said. I've now wavered people automatically say, well,
you know what, he can't this? Yeah, I know, why
do you want him starting now? Like Daniel Jones better,

(05:07):
He's a guy that's already done it. I know. The
problem that I have and what I hate more than ever,
is coming to a conclusion that again is going to
take even more information or results or lacked thereof, still
to come. But my conclusion is that it's going to

(05:32):
be Richardson. And as I mentioned this morning on X,
it's like a flip of the coin. Those out there,
and mostly of the older generation, are sick and tired
of this whole story of being super quarterback and super
athlete and it just takes time, and he's young, and

(05:53):
everything is going to be okay. Those older have lived through,
generationally speaking, the times when we didn't have to mess
with this stupid crap, when there was no debate, when
you didn't worry about any of this. Remember those good
old days. Seriously, it is just like me talking about
music or movies or fun or lack of responsibility. Everything

(06:19):
back in the day, as I've said before, always seems
to be better, and in the case of the Colts,
it is. And I'm not talking about back in the
day when they first got here, but back during Napoleon,
the Dungeee, the Manning era, it was better. You didn't
worry about any of this. Now again, it was long
before you could have on a second by second basis,

(06:41):
all these debates. And I've got to see film. Like
my good friend Bobby Jefferson said something, and I have
never felt anything has been written so accurately over the
weekend until I saw this. He said, I can't wait
until they make a decision so I can stop seeing
all this film breakdown from people that couldn't break down

(07:02):
film in the first place. That is absolutely correct. I
can't wait either. The problem we're gonna have is it's
not gonna go away. It's gonna continue because you might
have different quarterbacks, but you're gonna end up having the
same result. And it's whatever a flavor that you did

(07:22):
right now. As I mentioned, the older generation, much like
you felt a year ago about Flacco, much like you
felt a couple of years ago regarding Gardner Menshew, you
feel better with the veteran that you trust that's not
gonna make a mistake, is gonna read this and make
the layups. Here's the thing that everybody talks about Anthony Richardson.
All he has to do is make the layups. Kind

(07:45):
of like the WNBA. The layups on a given, that's
a problem. The layups on this team are not a given.
That's why I find it difficult to look at this
schedule when others suggest it's conducive to a higher level
of win. Somebody is going to have to help me
figure out why that's the case. Because I look at

(08:07):
the first two weeks and when you describe Miami, you go, well,
you've got a quarterback that's always injured. You've got a
quarterback that's never been quite what everybody thought he was
going to be. And I go, oh, that sounds familiar.
You've got guys on the outside that have skill, but
you can't get in the ball. Sometimes you got some

(08:33):
internal junk. There are I think parallels to draw here,
which what I'm trying to say is the two teams
aren't far enough away from one another to just say, well,
that's a given, especially the way this Colts team consistently
has played in the past ten years coming out of
the gates to start a regular season. And somebody had

(08:56):
told me this on Saturday. I guess people and I
wasn't privoted this, but people are sick and tired of
hearing about just how great Sean Payton and Denver's going
to be, about how great Jean Payton and Denver is
going to be, and how they're going to, you know,
unseat Kansas City, and that is going to be the
dark course. While I understand because Sean Payton is a

(09:18):
really good coach, very good coach, and you can think
if there's somebody that's going to be able to take
that team from the step they made a year ago
to the next step. Okay, but I mean you're talking
about that as well in week number two. I just
I don't know where you look at this schedule and

(09:40):
anything with this football team is a given. And let
me tell you this before we really get started in
this debate and conversation today, I'm as sick of having
this as you are hearing it. True story, and in fact,
I've been around here having to talk about it and

(10:02):
then hear it back longer than most of you have.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
So when Bobby Jefferson wrote that, he goes, man, I
just want them to make a decision, and I there
is nothing that I agree with more. Yeah, just make
a decision and go. Like to me, the reason why
I've gone with Richardson all along is because I know
damn well that Daniel Jones is going to play and
I wis to me if Richardson, if and when I

(10:33):
believe he's going to be named the starter, I guess
coming up tomorrow, we got to, you know, prolong the
crescendo here. Make sure everybody I don't know, it's gonna
get leaked probably later on tonight, and that everybody's going
to be ripping, all the local reporters because they don't
get it and see that that's one thing. And I
know most of the time it ends up being agents

(10:53):
or whatever you know, within but man, if I would
ever to find out that it's those over there that
have all these people following them around with baited breath
every day and then you end up giving that to
somebody nationally only for the local people that get crushed,
I'd be really pissed about that. I give this to

(11:14):
those that have been around here for a long time
or that follow your ass around all the time. I mean,
if you're gonna leak it, and I know that they
are not the ones most of the time that are
leaking it, but if it does get leak it to
somebody around here, I get some folks off their back
because you can't have a conversation about it because somebody
is going to say, well, there's the reason why nobody

(11:36):
really believes in Daniel Jones. You have no reason to.
You just have every reason in the world not to
believe in Anthony Richardson. It is just an awful space
to occupy. Zero reason to believe in Richardson. The only
thing this entire discussion has going for it is it's

(11:57):
the start of the season the NFL, more so than
anywhere else, more so than Major League Baseball. Certainly, hope
springs eternal. I know that sounds the lame, but by god,
that's true. The coaches haven't handled their opportunities accurately when

(12:20):
they've been there, whether it's been on the field or
off the field. They simply put have it. And by
the way, to you also the older generation also are
of the opinion that it's time to move on organizationally.
Now these are both opinions regarding the quarterback and the
organization that A hell, I was ready to go ahead
and restart things last year anytime. I just think we

(12:44):
have seen what we have seen to the best of
its ability, and it's not going to be much greater
than that. But again, here we are, so we have
to have the conversation. Again. I completely understand while you're
worn out on the conversation, because we've had a conversation,
a debate, a dialogue similar to this for so many years.

(13:06):
That's why when I was doing the cross talk there
with Jake. We've got Zak Keifer coming on a little
bit later on, and I do I do want to
hear his angle regarding the Colts, in what he's thinking,
because he's been a long time cover of the NFL
and in particular of the Colts. But I also recognize

(13:28):
and with respect to Zach, he's got a big story
that everybody's responding to. And this is going to be
this is going to be the curmudgeon coming out in me,
and I'm okay with it. But he's got a big
story that just popped regarding Andrew Luck. And I sit
here and I can honestly tell you I don't dislike
Andrew Luck. But I can tell you that I don't

(13:49):
give a damn. I don't care, not at all. I
don't even care about what was the story and why
and what feeling is and the feeling then compared to
the feeling now. I just don't care. Now, I am
going to be a really nice host because I like

(14:09):
Zach a great deal and I want him to at
least give a mention of his story. But I guess
that makes me I'm fifty five curmudgety maybe a little bit?
Is that how I sound? Yes, you're right, well, this
is why this team is where it is right now.
I would also suggest the whole manning decision is why

(14:30):
this team is where it is right now. But again,
this is all stuff that we've gone over, and it
is time. Like when you get that little etch of
sketch pad. I don't know if he either you know,
pull the page up and start a new or you know,
shake it up and started new, But we've long been
past that. The problem that we have is you have

(14:53):
to get caught up because you're living in it. There's
nowhere to go. I mean, even if the jackass owner
of the Reds, you know where else, you're gonna go
as stupid as that Saunds. I mean, either you stop
paying attention, which is an issue where you go find

(15:13):
somebody else to root for, which is probably not gonna happen.
I mean, there's a lot of civic pride with this
team around here. You want to be able to talk
glowing about it. And you know what, now, more than ever,
you feel so good because you're coming off that Pacer season.
It was glorious and they didn't win at all. It
was glorious, and really everything that seemingly happens to your

(15:36):
favorite sports teams and personalities around here ended up happening
to the Pacers. You had a bill to pay. The
bill was, Hey, you're gonna get all the way here,
but we're gonna go ahead and tie up in a
pretzel the Achilles of your best player. That's what we're
gonna do. So you're going you're gonna get about five

(15:56):
seconds of enjoyment and then one of the other guys
ha's been for ten years is going to bail someplace
else and yip, you have his mouth and sounds stupid.
When he exits out the door and goes to Milwaukee,
I understand completely. It whears you out. Hey, James, there's
another sign that I don't know if you were privy

(16:18):
to this on Friday, you aren't here that somebody started
in the morning chat room that my mom had died.
But here's another you can here's proof of life right here,
because here she is at three sixteen. I've been doing
this job since two thousand actually with Mark Patrick, all
the way back to two thousand and between three and
six I've always been on the always every day in

(16:40):
three sixteen, so she she is righting a proof of
life that she is alive.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
I mean, it's not a work week if she doesn't
call you at least one story.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, I mean it's in and see. That does concern
me though, because I'm wondering what day and time do
we expect it to be here. So I just talked
to her this morning, get the sweet wakeup call. But
somebody started in the chat room on the morning show
that she had died, so I had to run around

(17:10):
to put out some firem wasn't a big deal. She
found out kind of funny in fact, but I had
to go around and make sure Blake or Laney didn't
catch word of that weirdness right there. Yeah, but it
turned out Okay.

Speaker 7 (17:24):
Well, I'm glad to hear everything's all good.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, So she is in your proof of life right there? Yeah,
let me see the message she just left you.

Speaker 8 (17:31):
Ready?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Oh yeah, Hello? Hello is what I just got? Hello? Hello?
He not there anyway, there's proof of life. You missed
a little bit in the latter portions of the week
right there.

Speaker 7 (17:47):
Sounds like an eventful end of the week.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Very very eventful end of the week, but a proof
of life for g all right anyway, Yeah, we're going
to go over the debate regarding quarterbacks today. You know
where I stand. I'll stay here. Regard to Anthony Richards,
I have zero, deeply rid of belief whatsoever. I have
zero belief. I don't have any belief in Daniel Jones either.
I also have very little belief that. I don't know

(18:12):
if you weren't already going to start somebody, I don't
know how you decipher there being a difference. It's weird.
You watch these guys play and when one is oh, well, okay,
they're pretty good. The other one is, oh, yeah, he's
pretty good. And then when they both suck, they both suck.
It's weird. It's like at the same time, now eyeball

(18:35):
separation for us is different than what you get with
those that are around it every day and see it.
And Shane Steiken had mentioned over the weekend that it's
also you know about the whole dynamic. You know, we
have to hear process nine thousand times and pre snap
this and getting ready for that and preparation. So a
lot of people believe that that maybe is an angle

(18:57):
For Daniel Jones, all I can say to you is
it's going to happen soon enough. I just think that
if you go with Anthony Richardson and there's an injury
or there's an inefficiency again that we see that calls
for a change in quarterback, then that absolutely is going

(19:18):
to be all she wrote. That's going to be it,
and then you have the definitive answer. Now, I felt
last year we had the definitive answer, but we didn't.
They didn't. I guess we did, they didn't, So I
think you can come up with that. Especially you look
at Miami and they have a secondary that's either defected
or injured. Defection I guess wouldn't be traded but wanted out,

(19:43):
whatever the situation. They have a brand spanking new secondary
that has really little to no experience. If you're a
quarterback here in week one, and you know how meaningful
that is the start of the season again, that whole
hope springs, eternal jazz, and you know the history of

(20:05):
this team not being able to get out of their
own way in the preseason or I should say early
on in the regular season, and you understand the priority
of this for if you, as a quarterback aren't going
to be able to handle that in week number one,
then how about nobody? A lot of you want Riley Leonard.
How about Riley Leonard? Then I don't care if you're

(20:26):
Anthony Richardson, Daniel Jones or anybody. You better be able
to handle what's coming at you against the Dolphins. I
will say this, I think Denver is going to be
different in week number two. But it's like the Dolphins.
Here is a start, it gets a pseudo playoff team.
This got skill position players, but more times than not

(20:49):
they're an injured mess or just a mess in general.
A decision making mess. You're fortunate to be able to
start out that way. So to me, if you're a quarterback,
whomever ends up getting the nod, and as I've told
you all along, I believed it to be Anthony Richardson,

(21:11):
you better have success in that. There better be offensive success.
We'll see what the defense does against the outside players there,
and you know whether or not quarterback stays healthy. All
those questions can be answered, but our major focus is
that of offense. You got to be able to do
something against that defense coming in here in week number one.

(21:33):
I mean, if you don't, I can't imagine what Week
two is going to look like against the Denver Broncos.
So I'll stick with it. I have the entire time. Again,
That's why I've not joined in the constant debate. And
if you're gonna say, well, wait a minute, does that
mean you're not believing in Daniel Jones, Well, of course
I don't believe in Daniel Jones. What would make why

(21:56):
would you? It's like why would I? I don't believe
in Anthony Richard and why would I? I mean, we're
a we're saying and we're sound like our eyes are open,
we watch we listen, why would you. So I've said
all along until further notice, this is something that you're

(22:17):
going to have to build, build the believers, and you
just haven't been able to do that. I mean, these guys,
to me, in different ways look the same, which is
frightening at that position. In different ways look the same.

(22:39):
One guy does one thing kind of well, the other
guy doesn't. But then the other guy does something well,
the other guy. Maybe you can put him out there
like master Blaster in Thunderdome, like stack him on the
top of one another, and just like to run the
same dude out there. Seriously, I apologize for the incessant debate,

(23:02):
but as Richard Gear said, and an officer and a gentleman,
I've got nowhere else to go. I've got nowhere else
to go. We're all in this same gang right here.
And as I mentioned, until further notice, the one constant
outside of having that conversation has been the incessant injuries

(23:25):
we have seen from team to team. It seemingly does
not matter if you root for a team around here.
At some point, somebody's ass is going to be injured.
And this was supposed to be this glowingly awesome season
for the fever. I'll give them credit because you're still
keeping your head above water. But they're going to be going.

(23:47):
They'll be going to the MIC conference and trying to
get some players there pretty soon because you're running not players. Yeah,
the Sophie Cunningham play. Everybody wants to make something. And
let me rephrase what I mentioned last week about WNBA officials.
They truly, they absolutely stink. They're awful. But you know

(24:08):
that to be true. And for those that said, you
know what, and I can't even remember who the player was,
James when when Sophie Cunningham was injured yesterday, that was
purposely I didn't see anything purposely done. I saw a
girl fall down, you know, I mean, I just I
don't know what else to say. It ran over a

(24:32):
defensive player and then fell down into another defensive player.
And that's what I saw. And once again another injury.
We'll follow that story. It was a resilient group and
Kelsey Mitchell was outstanding, putting up thirty eight. That was
impressive in an overtime win. So that was the good news.
The bad news is we await more of the consistent

(24:53):
news that's been around here, and that is an injury
situation that could be severe to Sophie Cunningham. Xavian Howard's
thirty two hadn't played in a couple of years. Thinking
got worked out by the Bengals in December of a
year ago when lou Anromo was there, but because of

(25:14):
the mass unit and the cold secondary, the thirty two
year old defensive back was brought in reportedly earlier today
for a little cornerback support. We'll get into that. Zach
Kiefer's going to join us. Stephen Holder also on the way.
If any news breaks, you know where to be. And
if you want to jump in on the conversation two
three nine ten seventy, is that number three one seven

(25:35):
two three nine ten seventy. You can also hit the text, thread,
stream or whatever the hell we call that right here,
and I can also read what you have to say
right here on the air. James, are we doing a
fantasy football league?

Speaker 7 (25:49):
Yes? We are. I have got it mostly kind of
preliminarily set up. We still got to figure out when
we want to do the trying to get everybody involved,
trying to get everybody in there, but it's pretty much
set up and ready to I.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
May have to call her my team. Hello, Hello on
behalf of my mom. Honey, Hello, hello, Hello. Yeah, well
I didn't know you worked in three oh yeah, just
four twenty five years, thirty years.

Speaker 7 (26:17):
So we just need to get your mom involved in
the fantasy football.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
That's what I need. Yeah, that's what we all need
right there. We need a little bit of that. No,
we I get I gotta get some flooring down there,
tour stat He's in need of some flooring. Anybody have
any glue. I'm ready to cut clue. James back, James,
good to see you again. Zach Kiefer, Steven Holder. We're
gonna take a break. We'll come back to stream the app.

(26:41):
It's AHD Radio Triple A Membership Lounge via YouTube live.
Hope you had an outstanding weekend as I did. We'll
get into all that and more. Ninety three five and
one five The Fan, The Ride.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
With JMV in the Beat Ooser here in the ninety
three five and one oh seven five The Fan.

Speaker 9 (27:04):
It's the very expensive question I think that everyone's wondering about, and.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
I think the best thing. This is one of the best.

Speaker 9 (27:12):
Camps we've had in a quite a long time, and
I think one of the things that we talked about
in June was there's nothing that like makes the I
think the good things rise to the surface better than competition.
And I think having Daniel in here with Anthony, he's
you know, he's obviously had more experience than Anthony, but

(27:32):
I think that room as a whole. They you know,
they're competing in camp, but they are you know, they've
they've done thing as well.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
They've also made mistakes.

Speaker 9 (27:42):
So again it's uh, Shane is going to have a
tough decision to make, but I feel confident he's going
to make the right decision.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Carly ersa Gordon Colts owner, during the game on Saturday,
I think what happens is you want this to be
a quarterback competition, meaning you want one or the other
to be pushed to a degree. At least that's what
I always thought. Detailed competition was about to be pushed

(28:14):
to a different level. Now, mind you, I'm living in
the world of the preseason still here, so I don't
want to hear about well, what about in October. Hell,
I don't know about October. I've known in the past
what October has detailed. I don't know this year. Yet
the problem is, am I the only one? And this

(28:34):
is not coming with a slap rock attitude or you
just want to wine and complain about something. No, I
sit here three hours a day and give you honest opinions,
and honestly, there's nobody either one better than the other.
Nobody's really been pushed with this competition to a higher level.

(29:00):
Can see now, I'm just talking about what we can see,
what we have seen so far, and you would hope
it with translating games. I mean, hell, anybody can be
a fantastic practice player. But that's what I mean about
all of this, and that's what I meant from the
outset is if you're going to have a competition, you
want that competition to equate to pushing one or the

(29:24):
other definitively to a higher level. And you go, oh yeah,
you see that's one I don't get out of any
of this. It's just like the same old, same old
and one goes in and one goes out. So to me,
if it's the same old, same ole, then five is

(29:47):
going to represent in week number one. And I felt
that all along because if you live in the world
or the same old, same ole, the more five is
out there. The more logically speaking, five is going to
come out of there for one reason or the other.

(30:10):
This whole competition thing. Everybody loves it. I just does it. Really?
Does anybody else feel that it's had this profound effect
on everything? It's like hul hum, and that's been this
organization for about ten years. Ho hum JMV. This is

(30:33):
from the Do I call it text stream? It's called
text groove. What the hell do I call this the
text line? Why does this not work any differently than
saying my email address? Do we know?

Speaker 7 (30:47):
No idea?

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Cool? I will say this, and I do remember I
was the one that said on Friday, whatever you do,
however you get to us, however you're able to listen
or communicate, I'm down with So I'm cool with this.
I'm just trying to rationalize how it's different than what

(31:10):
we normally do anyway. So I call it the text stream.

Speaker 7 (31:14):
Tech stream, text line, text hot line.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
The text line. The two three nine, ten seventy from
BT Daniel Jones is just another retread. He hasn't worked
out anywhere, tied to this crap garbage qbs thinking they'd
work here. WinCE Ryn Flacco and you can tell too.
I mentioned this, and now people are kind of getting

(31:39):
on board where they're the older generational and I guess see,
I'm different. I'm going with five, but I just don't
think that there's enough of a difference. And I thought
five was going to be the starter all along. But
normally here you can see the older generation want to
see Daniel Jones because they long sense have given up

(31:59):
on Anthony Richardson, and the younger generation think Anthony Richardson
because a lot of them are dorks or come right
out of a video game, some dorky game they're playing
on Saturday night when they're not going out anywhere. So
that's kind of the way that it is. That's what
I That's how I've rationalized this entire debate, young dorks

(32:20):
and old curmudgeons. It's like a battle royal, right here, James.
Would that be a really good battle royal all in wrestling?
Young dorks versus old krusty curmudgeons would be good, wasn't it?
Who win? Would the young dorks have a chance? Are
you a young dork or a krusty curmudgeon?

Speaker 7 (32:38):
I feel like I'm starting to get into the curmudgeons
graduating Cudgeons. I'm getting I'm getting there a little bit.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I live, I live twenty four seven, three six five
in the world of curmudgeon. My problem is I'm caught
between hillbilly and douche. I'm a hill douche and I
think maybe the first of its kind two three nine,
ten seventy. That is the tech stream or the text line,

(33:09):
if you will. I got some calls. I'm gonna get
to so Zach at the top of the hour. How
can I promote Zach's latest work without going to detail
into something I don't give a damn about. That's Andrew Luck.
How do we do that? I'll tell you what. Let's
do this. Here's something a little usefulness for the text line.

(33:32):
How much do you want to hear about Andrew Luck?
And this is Zach is a tremendous writer, a friend
of the show, a friend of mine. I respect him
a great deal. I have him on because I'll like
to converse football with him. But I have to tell
you that I am completely over and out on Andrew Luck.
Stuff over and out like Andrew Luck has joined the

(33:57):
to me long ago, But to me, Andrew Luck has
joined the class basketball discussion. That's where I shelf at
so to luck or not to luck? Three one, seven, two, three, nine,
ten seventy. That is the text line and also the

(34:22):
number Mike and Brooklyn is joining today. Hey, Mike, am,
I'm making sense out of this whole quarterback debate because
I'm trying my damnedest.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
And jamv Listen, I love you. Keep doing what you do.
You're cracking me up.

Speaker 8 (34:34):
You know you got it.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
You got a real gift for putting things in person good.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
And I'm trying to put it in perspective because you
know you're You're dealing right here with the simplest and
the lowest common denominator, which is me. So I only
have I don't have to raise the bar very far.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
No, you captured. You captured the whole weight pulse, pulse
of the fan base, I think, especially the another curmudgeon
here myself for the most part.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yes, I think that's where we are located right now.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
What you got, buddy, Yeah, yeah, Listen. Last week you
pretty much you said something pretty sobering when somebody asked you,
what's the worst case scenario when it's uh ten and
seven with Richardson and yeah, we ring up everybody. And
I was thinking about that and I was like, you know, yeah,
and then I was thinking, if it makes sense, that's

(35:27):
kind of like the worst case and the best case
scenario because like some of the coach fans are looking
for the tank, arch Manning is not coming out next year.
He is, so you know, his grandfather pretty much confirmed
that he's not gonna.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Do you think he comes out of like New Orleans,
for example, has a top pick?

Speaker 3 (35:45):
No, I completely I take that deaf family for their word.
Archie Manning says he's staying in school for four years.
Is going to be just like Eli and Payton. I
mean pretty much. He said he's never Your grandfather said
I'll never do that to Texas. So I think I
would take that to the bank, you know, as far
as him. But yes, so, uh, you know, I had

(36:06):
a over here. I had to wait till the NFL
network replayed the game. I mean, I've seen the highlights
and everything, and watching that game, I got to say
I was looking for some proof of life from Anthony Richardson.
And you know, you know, I'm kind of like a
football fanatic. I watched preseason games, you know, I'd rather
watch a preseason Coke game than Game seven in the

(36:27):
World Series, And uh, he looks like he looks like
his footwork has gotten better. He's just it's at least something.
I mean, I know it's preseason, but he looks like,
you know, there's some improvement there aside from the first game.
So I don't want to get like too overboard on it,
you know, but at least there was something there, you know.

(36:48):
And you know the fact that this kid is still young. Uh,
if you want to go on a gene Krantz a
type of outlook on it, I kind of like the
fact that, you know, he took his benching like a
man last year. He seems like a good kid. I
just I don't know. I'm not ready to give up
on him like yet, you know, I'm still hoping because

(37:10):
I don't think that we have anything else. I'm who
if you're going to clean house, there's low guarantees that
you're going to be set back for like another four
or five years, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
So I just got this. Mike and Brooklyn. Listen, this
is from somebody named super Pony you can call Anthony.
And obviously the whole dynamic here is completely lost. You
can call Anthony Richardson believers video game dorks all you want.
But if he is good and he does figure it
out this season, stay on that side. Don't switch up.
It's so funny because that's all this debate is about.

(37:43):
To sub all right, that's all it's about. It's not
even about this team being good. It's about them being
right about this guy or their guy. You know, That's
all it's about. Like I would not I'm not going
to embrace either category because neither's going anywhere. When will
people recognize this, Mike, neither goes anywhere? When will this

(38:06):
be recognized? I mean, it's just funny. It's like, well, hey,
you know what if you don't, it's like you want
to win the debate more than you want to see
them win the game. You would rather win the debate
and see them lose the game. I don't get that.
I guess I never will. That's why I'm the Curmudgeons side.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
I guess no, I get you.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
I get you. The thing with me is I just
want to win.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
That's what it's supposed to be all about. The problem is,
and you brought it up, Mike at the outset the
problem is you go ten and seven, and we have
been so humbled here over the past ten years of
that being a high bar. Everybody is going to be
going crazy and excited about it, and really you may

(38:53):
similarly be in the category in which you have lived
over the past ten years. The only thing is if
Richardson is able to consistently put something together. But the
problem you have with him is it's not just his
operation or his process, it's his availability. And there's a

(39:13):
lot of stuff that has to come correct, you know,
in one moment in time and sustain for this to work.
And we haven't seen really any sense of that in
the first two years on any.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Level, not at all, not at all. You think I
was thinking, you know, as far as the injury thing,
I was, I'm thinking, is Stikin' going to be able
to run like a college offense, Throw cautto the wind
and just run him run that, let him run and injury,
you know, if it's gonna he's gonna get injured, He's
gonna get injured. But he overburdens him mentally. I think

(39:51):
he Stiking just wants to run his offense, and he's
putting so much on his plate. Mentally, I'd rather see
him simplify things and then not worry about.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Him well with Richardson. With Richardson, clearly less is going
to be more. And see, this is the whole weird dynamic.
With Jones, it's like more and is less. You know,
the more you put on his plate, the less you
believe in it. But with Richardson, the less that you
give him operationally, it seems like the better opportunity that
he has, if that makes sense. It's weird. It's just

(40:23):
an incredibly weird and we have lived through Mike a
bunch of weird dynamics here we have at that position. Certainly, Mike,
I appreciate you. We'll see what happens tomorrow, because I
would think later off tonight, maybe sometime tomorrow morning news
in some form of fashion will leak or break and
we'll talk it up tomorrow again.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
All right, Javick, thank you quick break.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
You got that quick break, and we shall come back. Guys,
recognize what I talked about there about you want to
be right at what cost? Like I'd rather be wrong
and see you guys have a hell of a time
around here. I don't give a damn Hey, well you
can't cut you gotta stay in your letter, whatever dorkdom
that is. I absolutely hope something works because this whole

(41:14):
thing has stunk for a while and it is really unrecognizable.
And those that have lived through those really good, consistent
times you want a little taste again. I don't blame you.
Text line three one seven, nine, ten seventy. That is
regarding Zach Keifer coming up on the inbound at the

(41:35):
top of the hour. Stephen hold is going to be
here as well, Sophie Cunningham's latest, and of course something
regarding the paces where actually somebody out there agrees with me.
That's a plus. Back with the next the ride with JMV.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Attention whoever you are. This channel is reserved for emergency
calls only.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Lady, I sound like I'm Warner a Pizza ninety three
five and one oh seven the fan.

Speaker 10 (42:02):
I really don't know. It really doesn't matter what I think.
At the end of the day, it's really up to them.
I feel like I've been trying to put my best
foot forward, trying to grow each and every step with
the way. I feel like I've been doing a decent job,
you know, and improving, But at the end of the day.
I just want to keep improving and if I do
want a job, you know, thank god. If not, I

(42:22):
need to keep working.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
So Anthony Richardson right there, who I believe and have
since March, will be the starter in week number one.
We have yet to learn anything official. However, we did
learn earlier today and lou An Arumo described him as
an elite Interceptor. Of course, lou Anarumo, the defensive coordinator
of the Colts, talking about Xavian Howard. I believe Howard

(42:45):
worked out. He's thirty two. Hasn't been involved recently, I
forget maybe the last year or so year or two,
but actually had a workout for the Bengals in December
of a year ago. Interceptor is thirty two. And listen,
I don't think this is a backhanded compliment or a

(43:06):
slap of any kind, but you got to bring somebody
in because everybody's dinged, everybody's injured. And I will say this,
I think we're at a moment in history now in
Indy to where you just have a stash of players

(43:27):
hidden away somewhere ready kind of what you have, you know,
with clothes when you change seasons and your b because
you know that a majority of the players anywhere are important,
They're all going to be injured. Like, people think, what
can we do to get the Colts back on track?

(43:47):
Ever since Peyton Manning was cut, it was like the
whole Billy goat thing with the Cubs bad luck? What
can we do? And exorcism get ouiji board out? What
can we do? I'll tell you what you can do.
Stop thinking about that. The injury thing is what is problematic,
and it is non stop. It is Seriously, the injury

(44:12):
situation is like that weed growing in your yard. And
even Pat Sullivan's gonna say, well, you just pour all
this crap all over and it goes away, and it doesn't.
The thing that has been most resilient here is injuries.
It's incredible in any form or fashion. And I know

(44:33):
that we all haven't been perfect. I haven't been perfect.
You're not perfect. But what in the hell have we
done to deserve this? Seriously? Oh woe is me? Jmvay,
You act like what you just described. You've been saying
ir will never improve it. He's never going to turn

(44:54):
into anything since he was drafted. You're always get so
wild up insisting that you seem emotionally he invested in
wanting to be right seems personal? Does it seem personal
with Anthony Richardson? I don't believe that. I think that
that's been your opinion all along, and you're not going
to be swayed. I doubt if there is anything. Here's

(45:18):
my personal feeling. I just want to I don't give
a damn whose quarterback. As long as they win some
games and maybe get a little juice going around here,
maybe a little return on investment for people, for fans,
for those that advertise with them. That's what I want.
Everything else can get just lost in the laundry as

(45:39):
far as I'm concerned. I get back to that point
in the moment. It's a decent point. Sometimes this guy
is like pseudo jackass, but I think this is a
good point. Will relive that coming out, will relive the
good point moment coming up after four Zach Keith or
Steven Older, don't go anywhere. It's not a three five,
one oh seven five The Fan the ride with talk

(46:01):
about your sobs, talk about John three sixteen, Allsted three
sixteen says.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
I just whipped your ass ninety three five and one
oh seven five The fan, We are so.

Speaker 9 (46:14):
Grateful to have Chris and Shane, because I think Rick
can probably speak to this. If you if you're a
head coach and you don't get along with your general
manager and you don't trust them, it's a total nightmare.
So I think the great thing about Chris and Shane
is they don't always agree, and but they they discuss it,

(46:37):
and I think they make better decisions because they each
have a unique kind of approach that I think makes
us better as a whole.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Hey, shout out to Corly Orsa Gordon for going on
as her late father normally would during Saturday's preseason game
with Greg Reichstraw and Rick Van Surrey that was against
the Packers. I don't know if we know anymore about
who should start or who isn't going to start, who
ends up winning this competition. I've just said all along,

(47:07):
going all the way back to March, that this is
going to end up being Anthony Richardson, and all I
have to go on would be the eyeballs, and I
just don't see any reason as to why it's still
not going to be. And that's even before you consider

(47:27):
the other factors, which we will in just a second,
I'll get back to a comment that I do want
to concentrate on in a moment. We do have a
Colt Daily Update coming up here right and a little
bit too. Steven Holder is going to join us coming
up at the top of the five o'clock hour. We
also have the twenty twenty five Fantasy Football League where
we're about ready to pop that. Are we all going

(47:47):
to do this on X? Are we going to like?

Speaker 10 (47:49):
So?

Speaker 2 (47:49):
The way spread the wealth on this bad boy?

Speaker 7 (47:51):
The way I've done this in the past. Yeah, I've
sent out a tweet. Whoever retweets it, whoever reposts it,
comments on it, or whatever, you kind of get entered
in the chance to get in the league, and then
I just pick randomly based on that. If we want
to expand it and maybe throw it out to the
text line that's possible. I've just always done it through
X mainly night.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
And we're going to be playing for for beverages. I
think I've said that wrong with the past, and people go, well,
you know what you're promoting? I go, yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 7 (48:19):
Fun Free samples is that the free samples.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Free Samples, Thank you, James. This is brought to you
by free samples. And by the way, too, if you've
never contacted me to get your free samples, don't blame me.
All right, I'm not going to track your ass down.
I wrote around for six months with a liquor store

(48:47):
with free samples in the back of my truck. All right,
So six months I go, Hey, every time I turned
the corner, there was like jingle and jangling going on
back there.

Speaker 7 (48:57):
Did the winner eventually get this?

Speaker 8 (48:58):
There is.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
We'll meet someplace and make the sample transfer. Steven Holder
less than an hour away. No firm decision reported as
of yet. Regardi who's going to start in week number
one one preseason game remaining on Saturday against Cincinnati. Xavian
Howard is in. He's a thirty two year old former

(49:24):
cornerback actually was really good going back a couple of
seasons ago. But let's just say this, the Colts needed
anything at that position. Are the Andy Moore Automotive Group, potline.
He is a friend of the show. He writes for
The Athletic and then some I think this story's going

(49:46):
to be taken off, and I'm sure we'll get to
that in a second. I do want to start with
the Colts with Zach Kiefer, who joins us on the
Andy More Automotive Group. Potline, what do you think this
decision ultimately ends up here at least for the start
of the seasons?

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Yeah, all right, the Clop's chicken, right, like make a call.
I think it should be Anthony Richardson because of everything
you've talked about the last couple of weeks. I feel
like if he would have fallen on his face, we
would have seen that in the preseason, we would have
seen that in training camp. He's not done that. He
sounds a little bit different. The play has been a
little bit better. He's certainly not a polished prospect. Still

(50:24):
there's going to be mistakes, but he hasn't given this
job up that John. I come back to a couple
of things. When I talked to Daniel Jones at camp
a couple of weeks ago, he said, you know, this
is what Shane told us when he sat us down
at the beginning of camp about how the job is
going to be decided as to who gets it, and
he said who can the coaches trust? And then on

(50:46):
Saturday after they lost the Packers, the first thing Shan
Stikeen said when he talked about how he's going to
make this decision was the operation. So that gives me
a little bit of pause. And there's a little bit
of national bonds at least from the national quarters that
you know, helicopter in the camp and talk to Shane
Steichen about, you know, Daniel Jilles being the guy that
he can trust a little bit more. I still think

(51:10):
unless there's something I don't know about Anthony Richardson behind
closed doors, not preparing or all that which I've heard
none of this training camp, if he's preparing, if he's
been the guy, if he's been mature, I go with
the kid. I let him start his third season under
center as a guy. But at this point, it's late August.
You need to get this team solidified because you have

(51:30):
all those injuries you just mentioned, like, you need to
have this quarterback position solidified asap. It's time to finish
this competition and pick a guy.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Have you noticed there being a gap whatsoever between these
two because to me, the essence of a competition is
one guy pushing the other and then somebody raising the
bar of their game because of that competition. And I
know we're not privy to all that goes on. I

(51:59):
sure as hell have a been up there every moment
in writing on a notepad what has transpired. But from
what I've witnessed, especially when it's mattered in games so far,
you know, other than a pinky going east and west
instead of north and south and not reading a certain situation,
I don't think there's a wide gap at all between
these two guys. I don't think they've raised their game
because of one another in this competition, do you.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
You know that's the funny part. I agree completely with you.
I don't think there's a wide gap because I don't
think either of them are very good. Like can we
just can we just say what's oh, yeah, what's going
on here?

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Like I do daily here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
And the other thing I agree with that you've said
several times is they're both going to play this season.
Like I really believe that whoever you decide to start
week one, I mean, just based on how things have gone.
If it's going to be Richardson, I mean, the guy couldn't.
He couldn't last one preseason dropping without getting knocked out
of the game. And I know that's unfortunate and that's
not what they want to happen. But the reality is

(52:56):
I expect both of them to start games this season
and the other. The reality is, let's say this is
a fringe playoff roster. They got a lot of pieces
that are really good football players, right, They got the
new DC, they should be better on defense, They've got
weapons on offense, they've got the new tight end. All that,
we all know that none of it matters unless they
get good quarterback play. And I'm not convinced they're going

(53:17):
to get good quarterback play for seventeen weeks and in
this division, which is getting a little bit better. Cam
Ward looks good, He's a rookie. The Jaguars have to
be better, Lawrence has to be better, and the Texans,
if they fix their offensive line, should still be the
best team in the division. I'm just not sure where
the Colts stack up in terms of quarterback play in
the AFC South, which remains a very winnable division. But

(53:39):
when you don't have that spot figured out, does anything
else really matter.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
There's a philosophy that's called in sports, it's not where
you start, it's where you finish. Can that be applied
to this whole debate and the start of the season
a quarterback for the Colts. I mean, does it matter
where you start? It just matters where you finish. And
I've said this before, Zach, I don't care if you're

(54:05):
a quarterback, if I'm quarterback, doesn't matter to me. This
is such a juiceless organization right now that needs, you know,
an infusion of some winning, some positivity, not just in
a fleeting moment. It doesn't matter who it is as
long as that in some form or fashion is provided.

(54:26):
Is that fair?

Speaker 1 (54:27):
One hundred percent? And you know, I go back to
early June and I kept getting asked some questions about
the Colts quarterback situation, and I said, you know, you
better enjoy the Pacers playoff run because this is really
fun right now. And I'm not sure the fall and
the winter is going to be that fun. I will
say this, And I'm doing this quarterback project about why
young quarterbacks fail. And I'm not saying that Anthony Richardson

(54:49):
is going to fail, but I've been looking into, basically
asking sources from around the league quarterbacks included why teams
fail young quarterbacks so often? The realities a lot of
times they don't make these guys earn it from the jump,
and Peyton Manning said that was a big part of
it that he sees across the league. And I won't
give the Colts credit. If this season has any juice,

(55:11):
it's the hope that rests with number five. And we've
seen it in camp, we've seen it in a little
bit of the preseason, like he can still do some
special things and there's no reason to think he can't
continue to get better if everything is right there in
front of him and he buys in. So I will
give the Colts credit for running a legit quarterback competition.
I really do feel like this is legit that is

(55:32):
coming from everything I've seen in Westfield and then also
some really long conversations with Chris Ballader with the summer.
This is what they regretted the first time around. They
gave him the job. The first quarterback competition with Gardner
Minshew was an absolute sham. The kid wasn't ready and
the worst part was he played well, then he got hurt,
and then he wasn't in the building every day and

(55:53):
he needed to be in the building to build those
daily habits. What happens is he doesn't know what it
looks like. He doesn't know the starting quarterback looks like
and in year two he just doesn't have the routine
and his preparation slips and we are where we are
today because of that. I will give the Colts credit.
If Anthony Richardson earns this job, he really did earn
it this time. And that's the only thing that matters

(56:15):
this season is if he earns it, then let's go
see what he's made of. Let's go see if he's
the guy. Because you can't keep doing this every years
unless you want to keep talking about this next August.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
I know, well, it's funny we're going to talk about
something in a minute that there are so many things
revolving around in the past ten or so years of
this franchise. I think most people around here are sick
and tired of talking about And I thought the dynamics
act that you presented regarding the Pacers, you know, you
had in the final months of the season here recently,

(56:51):
just such an enthusiastic time of which people around here
haven't seen forever, and sure as all haven't seen regarding
this football team in forever, just you know, the occasional
moment here or there. And I think now more than
ever people are starved for it. I mean, just absolutely anything.
But I also bring up this cautionary tale if you

(57:14):
end up having either one of these guys out there
and you show signs here are there? I mean when
you compare it to recent history, I mean, how far
do you have to raise the bar for this to
be a legitimate path either or to take for the
short term, not just this season, but past this season?

(57:36):
What signs have to be seen you think for this
to be legitimately continued the way that it's going.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Man, I'm gonna have to see a lot, John, I mean,
don't you like, doesn't the fan base like I know,
you know, and I grew up here, so like the
AFC South Division titles were a birth right, ten eleven,
twelve wins were a birth right. I've had Peyton tell
me a million times, like, you don't just roll out
of bed and win twelve games. Well, Peyton, you did,
Like you guys did that and that set the standard

(58:04):
and that's a little bit unfair. And then luck and
those teams they continue that on. I get that, but
the reality is you want to see how far this
team's fallen. They haven't won a division, and God, and
I don't know how long since like twenty fourteen, every
other team in the division has won it twice. And
we're not talking about like the AFC West that's loaded.
We're not talking about a great division. Like the reason

(58:27):
the Titans have had success, the reason the Jaguars have
gone on a little bit of a run is partly
because the Colts incompetence. Like the reason the Texans are
the teams right now is because the Colts haven't figured
this out. And I mean, it starts in Week one,
and I know it's just one game, but like, for god,
did you win an opener for the first time since
like the Revolutionary War, Like it feels like that just
sets the tone for the next six weeks of the

(58:49):
season where they're just always playing catch up. And I
remember Frank Bright telling me, like they are mentally exhausted
from climbing out of the owles they take themselves every
single September. So look, everything's changed, Right, We're talking about
winning the opener and how important that is in the
week seven in the seventeen week season. But I think
I think that's going to tell you a lot, right,

(59:09):
if you're going to buy into richardson this season if
he indeed is the guy like start fast, like build
some hope, get the fan base behind you. Like this
fan base deserves some consistency and less chaoffs because it
just feels like the last gosh. I mean, I've been
off the beat two and a half years and it
still feels like the same chaos I covered in the
twenty twenty two season. So we'll see. I know they

(59:31):
want quiet, I know they want consistency. I feel like
they've done a pretty good job of that during camp,
considering they were holding you know, maybe the least exciting
QB competition of full time. But you know, we'll see.
And if rich said if the clicks man, there's hope,
like hope is not hard to find in that kid.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Here's what's funny is that keepers on the Andy Moore
Automotive group plotline. I always highlight I'm not afraid to
describe the importance of an early season game, whether it's
a Week one or what have you, the importance of
the schedule in particular games. And I look at this
Miami game and consider their situation, and there are some

(01:00:11):
similarities with them to that of the Colts, but in
their secondary where it is a absolute new and fresh experience,
all right, when you're dealing with a secondary that's either
dinged up or new because of defections? Which one of
these quarterbacks do you think, I'm just talking about Miami

(01:00:33):
to get off to that good start in which you
describe hasn't happened in absolutely forever. Who would be the
best guy to do that against that team that would
seem to be in Week number one, very vulnerable here
in the Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Yeah, I'm with you. Like for some teams the opener
matters a lot. For like the Chiefs and the Bills
and those teams, like it doesn't matter at all. I
remember saying in the mid two thousands, like talk with
Mike Chapel, like the Colts didn't play a consequential game
until like January, right, because nothing really mattered when you're
that good until you get to the postseason. It's the
complete opposite with what we're talking about. So let's go

(01:01:12):
back to last year. Anthony Richardson makes maybe the greatest
throw I've ever seen in an NFL game for that
touchdown to Alf Pierce. Right, they're playing the Texans, win
a division game, win a huge division game against the
team that's going to ultimately win the division crown on
your home field. And what happens. They have a third
and seven and the defense you're talking about, the secondary

(01:01:32):
you're talking about, plays that stupid soft off the ball
coverage and gives Nico Collins that comeback route and the
Texans win the game. Texans didn't play very well. I
was in their locker room afterwards. They were a little
surprised at how sloppy they played, and they were still
able to get the victory. So I think it does
say a lot. And how you come out with that
secondary against the Dolphins that first week of September, I

(01:01:55):
think it's going to tell you a lot because it's
going to be a tough test, right, They're going to
run all over the field, Like I mean, those receivers
are fast, dude, So you spend a lot of money
on buying them and all the additions you made in
the secondary. It's time to like play up on the
line and play more physical. And I know coach Venturia
has talked about that a lot. I've heard a lot
of good things about that group in camp. But the

(01:02:16):
reality is what you started the question with is there's
no other position group in football that get stinged up
more than a secondary. Handstrings can linger for six weeks.
It's just the nature of it. And the fact that
they're signing the guy and Zavian Howard that didn't play
football last year. I mean that tells you what they
think of the current state of their secondary. Brents can't
stay on the field, I mean, that's concerning. That's really

(01:02:39):
concerning because the Dolphins will throw it all over the
field very quickly, and you know, Daniel's Mike McDaniel has
been scheming up this game for weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Well, yeah, and my thing is too, is that's a
team you have to have a quarterback that you believe
in that's able to really take advantage of a secondary
that would seemingly be described as you just described the Colts.
So that's that's kind of where I wonder if this
decision does kind of hinge on. We got to get
off to a great start, you know, and just I

(01:03:09):
guess ultimately how interchangeable these decisions at quarterback can be made,
because that's the way that it has felt here in
recent history at that position. Yeah, just whatever happens, Guy's
not ready guy needs to concentrate more guys injured. I
just wonder if the best the best place to go
for quarterback and week number one is the guy that

(01:03:31):
can beat and be successful against a secondary that's very
much like the Colts with the Dolphins that's dinged up
beyond belief.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Let me ask you this, John, if they go with
Daniel Jones, do they lose the fan base? Not that
that matters, right because winning solves everything. But I think
it's pretty clear what you have in Daniel Jones and
the same quarterback from what I've seen in the preseason
that he was in New York, which is fine average,
not a guy you build around long term. I think
they're still a little bit there with Richardson you can

(01:04:02):
tap into even now, even with the inconsistencies. But do
you think the fan base would really tune this team
out if they go with Jones and he struggles in
that first game against the Dolphins.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Well, you mentioned the Revolutionary War reference a little bit early.
I'll give you the Civil War reference. There is a
gap between older Crimudgeony folks. I guess like me and
I believe Richardson is going to start, but most of
the older generation they want to see Jones because they
believe that they know what they have in Richardson. I

(01:04:36):
think it's the younger generation, and especially the video game dorkery.
Some not all, but the younger generation believe Anthony Richardson
is something on the field that he might be in
a video game and he's not been close to it.
So I think that there's a gap between the younger
generation that are Colts fans and the older generation that
are Colts fans. And people think that I'm trying to

(01:04:58):
take sides and call the younger general dorks, which I
guess I am, but I'm also referencing myself and my
generation as crimogeony. I don't give a crap. I don't
care if it's you or I who's a quarterback, as
long as you can get off to a good start
and you can show some signs finally consistency wise at
that position. But I think that is where it is.

(01:05:21):
It's funny. I think that the convenient operation would be
going with Richardson because you know, at some point the
inevitable will occur. It is going to be an injury
or it's going to be an effectiveness, and if it's
not then you know that'll be finally and you'll feel
good about it. But I think that we've all been

(01:05:43):
kind of accustomed to seeing what this is all about
with him at this point in the situation just like this,
and until we see it differently, I think that's what
we're going to believe, and that's how things are framed
up with Colts fans here. Regarding that position on those
two players, I think you're.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Right, and I think you nailed it on maybe the
two sectors of the fan base, who are you rooting
for one side or the other. And I think it's
fascinating that the younger fans are are still very much
in Richardson camp, despite a lot of obvious evidence that
says he's not been consistent enough as a passer. I mean,
forty seven percent completion percentage, it's just untenable in this league.

(01:06:24):
But look, this isn't just about Richard said, This is
about Shane Steiket And I don't know where he stands
in Carly Ercy Gordon's mind right now, but this is
this is a litmus test for him this season. So
pick whoever you want, Shane, pick whichever quarterback you want,
But like you said John, like, it doesn't matter which
one it is. At the end of the day, you
got to win games. You've got to win games. And

(01:06:46):
if this team is in top a tent halfway through
the season like they were last year, benching their starter
not exactly giving a reason, and then you know, James
Boyd and I story sort of exploding in terms of
what all was going on behind the scenes at the
end of the year with players questioning into leadership, like
you can't have that again and keep this contingent as is.
They're just running in circles. The fan base is set

(01:07:07):
up with it, you're fed up with it. And I
don't blame the fan base or you one bit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
That's not the hell of reflection on the operation of
this group, either from top to bottom, which certainly has
stood out here most recently, Zach Keifer. The athletic is
with us now. I suggest this started when they putted
ways with Peyton Manning. But I think you can also
backpedal to Andrew Luck and deciding to retire two weeks

(01:07:34):
before the start of the season as to why they
find themselves in this particular purgatory. And I saw here
recently you caught up with the former NFL quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Yeah, this is exactly what you want to be talking
about today, right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Yeah, you know we're good, we're good friends. I love
having you on. But frankly, I would rather jump out
this window of the building downtown on the Circle didn't
have to hear any more about but Andrew Luck. But
I'm respect your work, buddy, I do, and I know
you go about it hard and let's hear about it.
And I won't jump out the window.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
No, I totally understand it. Yes, I've gotten a little
bit of flat from cold fans. I'm sure going to
go back and I and I get it. I didn't
want to go back.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Hey, Zach, if he were to come on this show tomorrow,
I'd have him on tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
So yeah, no, it's it's the story is not a
cult story. It's a Stanford story. I was told to
go out there and basically figure out how he came
back to football. And you can't figure out how he
came back to football without starting with how he left football.
And there's not a lot of cults in the story.
But you know, the most interesting quote that's being aggregated

(01:08:38):
by everybody. The aggregator out there is that he told
me he was going to play football until he was
forty or forty five, and to that, I said, are
you being kidding me? I think that was my reaction.
But we don't need to go back to that. It
doesn't matter. It's not going to change anything. The reality
is he still feels guilt for how it ended. And
I remember what you said the next because it was

(01:09:00):
in my podcast series that I did about what happened.
He says, he doesn't know anything to anybody, but this
decision hoses everybody. It just does. Those were your words,
and boy, six years later, those are very correct words.
Because it cost Frank Reich his job. It might cost
Chris Ballad his job. They have not figured out who

(01:09:22):
this quarterback is and that's the reality. They've shuffled through
God knows how many. I covered all of them until
Richardson showed up in twenty twenty three. But Andrew's really happy.
He's really revived by the challenge that he has at Stanford.
He's the GM there. It's really good to see that
he's happy. He's doing well. But there's no doubt how

(01:09:42):
it ended, when it ended, and why it ended bothered him.
He never regretted his decision. It was the right thing
he did for him at that time, But that doesn't
mean it didn't hurt like hell, And that doesn't mean
that there's still a little bit of guilt in his
body about the guys he walked away from when he
did it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Does he feel guilty about the fan base and the
people around here that supported monetarily with their disposable income,
about the timing of it, especially because listen, we know
this to be true, but Peyton Manningant always said, all right,
if you want to quit, you quit in March. If
you're that important as a quarterback to your team, you
know you don't do it when he did it, And
that was always something that was always a point of
contention about this. Is there any guilt about doing it

(01:10:24):
to people around here that's been hard earned money to
go and have been left with kind of this product
in despair? Since?

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
I think so, Yeah, I think that's very real for him.
I don't think he's got enough credit for kind of
taking over after Peyton. I mean I asked him, like
what his rookie year was like, and he said he
was swimming upstream the entire season, And I'm like, Andrew,
you had one of the best years of any rookie
quarterback in history. Your coaches in the hospital, and you

(01:10:52):
won eleven games with a bad team. And I'm not
dismissing that team, but that's what Bruce arians called them,
and he was the interim coach. He said, we were crap.
They won eleven games and went to the playoffs because
that kid was that good. And Andrew said, I was
barely keeping my head above water. So it was just
a remarkable start. But I think I think he carried
all of it with him, and I think that's why
he stayed here for four years after he retired. He

(01:11:14):
loved Indy, he loved the people. And there was a guilt.
I mean, the guy lived five minutes from the team facility,
like that's he.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Had guilted taking twenty five million dollars that he didn't earn.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Do you think, oh, that's a good question. That's a
good question. That's a complicated question. But no, we did
not get into that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Okay, Well, I mean, yeah, I'm just curious. I didn't
want to. The last thing I wanted to do is
israe hash some of that. But I do respect your
riding buddy, and I wanted you to be able to
promote that, and I do know it was more about
Stanford and what he's doing now than it was then.
But it's tough to talk about that dynamic, as you
well know around here without bringing stuff like that up, because.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
It'll be when they figure out who the quarterback is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Yeah, yes, that's why he's never going to be really,
I don't know ever in the Ring of Honor because
of that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
So to me, yeah, I don't know. That's a good question.
But in my mind, you got to put t Y
Hilton first, and you got to put out a venetarian first.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Yeah, in my mind, you got to put like anybody
else in first. Anybody anyway. Hey, they can find it
at the Athletic right by. Yes, sir, Hey man, it's
good to talk with you too, Stay in touch, and
thank you. Your your writing is so good. I did
not jump out the window.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Well, that's the nicest thing I've heard all that time, Josh,
any time, And I promise you, I promise you next
time we will not talk about number twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Well you know I'm going to be talking about the
next time and say this quarterback situation. So we'll be
ready for that anytime. Thank pal. Seez that came for
the athletics on the any Moore Automotive Group pieline. Hey,
go ahead check it out for yourself. We'll take a break.
Come back, Stephen hold the top of the hour. A
couple of colts injury situations. I'll get into kind of
the same old, same old. I'll explain next the ride

(01:13:03):
with JMV.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
Have you ever been in a in a Turkish prison?

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
Nutty three five and one oh seven five the fans.

Speaker 10 (01:13:13):
That's been a big emphasis of mine these past few years,
not just last year. I've always been able to make
the big play. I'm pretty sure anybody can do that
when when it's right there. But the routine plays, that's
really what what I struggle with, you know, throughout my career,
and I just want to get better at that, you know,
because making the routine plays and just moving the ball
down the field, that helps you, you know, stay on
the field, move the ball, get down in the red

(01:13:35):
zone so you can guarantee some points and secure some points.
So I just want to, you know, just get better
at that, and when the big, big plays do come
in or I'll be able to hit them.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
That's Anthony Richardson, Richardson or Jones. I think we just
need to go ahead and have like the rest of
the show Richardson or Jones and see if there is
a tremendous generational gap. As I suggest, Jay MV. You
just had Zach Keifer on and you really downplayed this

(01:14:05):
story on Andrew Luck. Do you not think that that
was this is their words, not mine here, James dickish
of me? It was not? Can I say that?

Speaker 7 (01:14:14):
I mean you already have.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
So do you think that that was? Do I have
to blank that out? That wasn't I didn't say it.
It's ish?

Speaker 7 (01:14:21):
Yeah, I mean I think there are certain rules depending
on it, like if you are referring to the phallic.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Oh okay, okay, okay. So I was just acting like, yeah, okay.
I'm more. Did I act that way to Zach because
I didn't feel I did? No. I think you handled
that pretty am I struggling and judging myself here recently?
Is that a problem?

Speaker 7 (01:14:44):
I think it could be. I heard some stuff. Apparently
people were giving you crap about Kenny Moore last week
or something.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
They were giving me crap and then he ends up
sending a next message out about me. Do not see it?
I did not see because I asked him. I said, well,
let's do a test here, because he had something earlier
in the week on X that kind of blew up
into something that he didn't mean, and I said, hey,
let's do a test. When you're done with me here,

(01:15:10):
go back to wherever your room is and get on
your phone and say JMV is dot dot dot. I'll
go right here and find it. Actually, I do have
a note regarding the colts. I'll get to. But here
I am trying to prove myself, right, Kenny Moore, Yeah,
asking for a friend. JMV is Now, it's not a

(01:15:35):
question mark, it's an explanation. So fill yeah, fill in
the blank.

Speaker 7 (01:15:40):
There's some good, there's some good. There's some good stuff,
lots of positivity.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Let's go ahead and fast forward to the bad. Here
fun to drink with. By the way, Blue Meenie shout out, Um,
all right, Mike should takeover.

Speaker 8 (01:15:58):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Uh Holtz Crimudgeon a fine person, but he drones on forever.
I stop listening. I don't drone droning. Is this That's
why I have to speak with some inflection. If you
speak with inflection. It's not droning.

Speaker 7 (01:16:20):
Calvin says, you're sometimes an asshole.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
You can't say that on the air.

Speaker 7 (01:16:25):
I can say, can you not say that?

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
No, you can't. Oh you better bleep that out.

Speaker 11 (01:16:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Wait a minute, Since when did I become the voice
of reason on this show? About what can be said?
In what cat am I old groans up? Apparently a
fanboy of you, not of you, but of Kenny Moore.
All right, I'm gonna look for the rest of it.
Drunk Brian Hawes, I like, by a great deal. That's

(01:16:52):
really meaningful, Hawes to me. Actually there, I think there
are a bunch of people out here that think I'm
a drunk. Now for some reason, sometimes I like to
have a drink. What are you going to do? I
am a social drinker.

Speaker 7 (01:17:04):
I think they've just heard about your, uhr, the CASA
Day Watson experience.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Yeah, oh, I get loose there. That was yesterday too, baby.
Shout out to Jeff and Glinda Watson for letting us
get loose at the Paradise Day Watson. God needed that.
I was here seriously on Saturday morning? Oh what was me?

Speaker 8 (01:17:23):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
You get the little tiny violin going nine thirty am.
I got here on Saturday morning and left at one
fifteen in the morning. Oh that was a hum dinger,
but I had a hell of a time. Oh irrelevant,
I'm irrelevant. I'm just gonna read the bad ones the
good ones. I appreciate the nice things you guys say

(01:17:44):
about me, But Mississippi says, someone whose job is destroy
the pot. Not much more insight than your average football fan.
Lots of complaints, very few solutions. I've had lots of solutions,

(01:18:06):
So horrible unlessenable ooh stoned. I like that one too.
Oh yeah, there's sometimes, Yeah, there's your sometimes when right there? Gotcha,
So thank you, Kenny Moore. So what I'm getting to
is there was no issue there, and it's funny. I

(01:18:26):
talked to Matt Conti about it too, because Matt is
privy to all this stuff. He's the head of media
for the Colts and he's privy to all this stuff too,
And I said, I asked Kenny in that conversation, I said,
you become more laid back. And I didn't want to
say aloof because I don't think he's aloof, but people
can take that the wrong way. So I said more

(01:18:46):
laid back, and I think he's a little bit more
thoughtful about things that he says. So he takes time
and he pauses and he thinks about it. So that
was the point I made, And then everybody thought that
I I went hey wire or whatever right there. So
that's it. That was it regarding Kennymore. But I thought

(01:19:07):
it was really good. Claude Bank says, according to my
childhood friend this weekend, I'm a drunk too. Well, aren't
we two p's of a pod? Claude I like to
socially hang. I can't help myself, especially when it's right
across the road from my house. Right Asking for a

(01:19:28):
friend is the key. You're good, thank you, Jim mckinn
rex Hampton. The real question is minshe or Carr. Thank
you JMV. We are past the development point where they
are as why we should keep players, no need for JT.
Pittman Buckner, trade them, let them win somewhere else. I

(01:19:51):
will say this, Brian, I don't think that that I'm
not compelled to suggest, Brian, that's this year and now.
But if this thing goes hey wire and there looks
like it's an absolute renovation of everything, than Brian, that
is one hundred percent accurate right there. I'll get to that,

(01:20:13):
and a couple of cult stories. Two regarding injuries, what's new,
We'll do that, and Steven Holder coming up in a
little over fifteen minutes ninety three to five, one oh
seven five to Fan the Ride with JMV. Sis Boombah.
Sis Boomba.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Described the sound made when a sheep.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
Explodes ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Yeah, about twelve minutes for Steven Holder. Zak Keifer a
little bit earlier, and you know, I felt compelled to
mention I didn't finish the point I was trying to make.
I wasn't trying to be a jerk at old Zach Keifer.
I just think that most people around here don't want
to hear much more regarding Andrew Luck and I certainly

(01:21:00):
don't think and Zach is a tremendous writer. He is
a friend, a friend of the show, and he is
a compliment to the show whenever he comes on. However,
there are a lot of people when you say, well,
you know, I feel guilty for my teammates. You should

(01:21:21):
feel guilty about everything. Understand the impact and then the
whole twenty five million dollars as a parting gift. There's
a lot more than just your teammates to feel guilty about.
Yet another reason why I don't ever want to get

(01:21:43):
into this conversation in the first place. But Zach had
a very well written article about Andrew luck It's Stanford
and what he is doing as the general manager out there,
and you can check it out at the Athletic And
I like having Zach on a great deal. But I

(01:22:03):
would feel compelled to tell you that I understand if
you're worn out on the subject, because I've long since
been worn out. JMV. If they start Daniel Jones week eleven,
week one, I should say week eleven. They start Daniel
Jones in week one, I'm going to go out and
buy a Josh Allen jersey and not look back. That

(01:22:26):
is a part of the tech stream that we have
the text line at three one, seven, two, three, nine,
ten seventy. I mean, after two preseason games in practice
of both of them throwing who do you vote for?
I know that I saw. I think it was the
Indie Star that had a poll. Let me see if

(01:22:46):
I get this accurately. There's a poll out and there
are a lot of them, but this one regarding the
quarterback decision. Star has a poll where ninety percent of
the fans want Richardson to start. What has he done

(01:23:07):
to get that type of loyalty? And here's how I
would put that. I would put that in the category
of you feel that and this is lame as heck,
but you feel that you can catch lightning in the
bottle and there is still something to be uncovered with him.

(01:23:30):
There are more believers in that than there are, for example,
non believers. As I was a year ago, Hey, you
can go ahead and move on right now, and everything's
going to be okay because we've seen enough. I mean,
how many different times you got to restart this? How
much do you not know already? I mean, how much

(01:23:51):
can be soaked up before you just say all right,
this is just kind of what is going to be like.
So I completely get it now. I mean, to me,
my point has been the younger generation like Richardson, the
older like Jones. But really for the older generation, it
doesn't matter if it's Jones or Flacco or Minshew because

(01:24:13):
the older generation, you have seen the greatness around here
and you view ar as never being that. So you're thinking,
you know what my time right here is of the essence,
Let's go ahead and kickstart something that's going to work
and not continue down the path of something that hasn't
and won't. The text line continues the three one, seven, two, three, nine,

(01:24:36):
ten seventy and David's up next on the phone. Hello, David,
how are you?

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
I'm okay?

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
How are you great?

Speaker 8 (01:24:43):
David?

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Go ahead?

Speaker 5 (01:24:45):
You know I live in Chicago for born and raised
in Indianapolis. Yes, I'm older than you are. I'm sixty one, and.

Speaker 8 (01:24:53):
I want AAR to start.

Speaker 5 (01:24:55):
I do not want to see Daniel Jones as the starter,
because we know he is. AR is younger than Shador Sanders,
he has less than a season of NFL starts under
his belt. He needs an opportunity to evolve and mature.
He's as young as the baby's bottom. But he's got

(01:25:15):
more ability than anybody else in that division. And so
to think that because he's had a rocky start, and
I'm as frustrated as anybody with his injuries, but let's
give the guy a legitimate shot at being an NFL quarterback.
I don't think that's happened yet.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Well, what you What you just described to David is
exactly what I've said since March. He's going to get
the start and not have a put too much dock
in this competition in the first place. True story.

Speaker 5 (01:25:44):
I think I think that I hope that's correct. If
Daniel Jones starts, we know what we have. Daniel Jones
is a vet ar, is a baby get younger than
I think I read well, he's younger than every rookie
drafted the year except for Cam Word. If that's the case,
you know he he's got a lot of growing to do.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Hey, David, in closing here, do you understand an opinion
like mine?

Speaker 8 (01:26:11):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
To where would you understand as I have said that
I think I have seen enough and like, for example,
I said that a year ago, was that too quick?
Or do you understand why I have drawn that that
particular conclusion without believing that I'm just what people like
to reference as a hater.

Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
No, I really like you jamb before the record, but
I think I understand it. But I think you're wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Okay, that's fair.

Speaker 5 (01:26:39):
It's frustrated, but you know, he's he's such a young kid.
Even when he tapped out last year that really bugged me,
but I understood it. I think because I was a
high school football coach for many years. I think that
kid saw other people tapping out, like linemen and linebackers,
and thought he could do it. He didn't do it
because and then admitted it it because that's immaturity and stupidity.

(01:27:03):
It's not you know anything more, you know, you know,
sinister or devious than that. If the kid just didn't know,
give him a chance to grow up, and I think we'll,
at least I'm hoping that we'll benefit from David.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
I appreciate David from the older generation trying to debunk
my theory of the generational gap and your three of
Andrew Luck, Andrew Luck what hold on a second, Yes,
I'm only a social drinker of Anthony Richardson, Stephen Holder
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Which you are.

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Speaker 10 (01:28:25):
Before, you know, it would kind of like play with
my mind a little bit, and I would say I
would feel more comfortable before in the past, but now
it's just you know, it's just routine.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:28:34):
If I miss I missed, if I hit it, I
hit it. You know, I can't think about it too
too much because if I do that, then it's going
to impact the next play and I can't let that happen.
So the big ones they there, you know, I feel
like I can hit those anytime. The small short ones,
the routine play, so to speak, I feel like I
hit those now anytime that I need to. So you know,
I'm just confident in my play. Start right now and
I'm just ready to get to it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
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one thing that I may dislike even more than talking

(01:29:41):
about Andrew Luck anymore is that Civil War Andrew Luck thing,
that parody account online. I hated every second of that.

Speaker 7 (01:29:49):
You didn't like the captain Andrew lu.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
I hate hate Captain and account. I can't be the
only one. There's another one for you in the text
line for some reason that's very hard for me to comprehend.
The text line at three one, seven, two, three, nine,
ten seventy do you hate or did you hate because
hopefully it's gone now for it? Can it be gone forever?

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Now, I know that Zach Keefer's kind of stirred the
echo as we talked to Zach last hour the podcast
at one oh seven five the fan dot com. But
can it be gone forever? Do you dislike it as
much as I do? Because I think it stinks?

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
The Andy Moore Automtive group potline. Let's get him on
here ESPN, ESPN dot com. He's got a bail in
about seventeen minutes, I'm assuming, Stephen Holder, are we got
breaking news at twenty after the hour? Are you doing
a live hit on ESPN? What's what is going to
take you away from this incredible program?

Speaker 8 (01:30:47):
No, just my uber duties.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Uh wait a minute, you gotta make it more compelling
than that.

Speaker 8 (01:30:54):
Come on, Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 11 (01:30:56):
But but however, the breaking news always comes at the
work time. So if it's gonna happen, it will happen
when I'm in the car with her.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Yes, yes, exactly my experience. I'm not trying to bury
the lead right here, but I will jump to that
because we got plenty of time for that in a second.
But the hits literally keep on coming. Hunter Wahler, the
season ender with the Liz franc injury. We know about
Blake Freelan breaking the leg. We saw that on Saturday afternoon.

(01:31:28):
I mean an already dang secondary. We got to go
out and get a thirty two year old corner that
didn't play a year ago and Xavian Howard. This is
a scrambling bunch right now, player personnel wise, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:31:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:31:40):
I think the frontline players will mostly be available. I
think in the short term. I do think that, like
you know, the Kenny Morris for example.

Speaker 8 (01:31:53):
And such.

Speaker 11 (01:31:53):
But the problem is your depth is really taking a
hit right now. And when your depth starts to e
roads early, that's when you get into problems because you
know you you typically you over the course of a season,
you are going to eat into your depth because injuries
are guaranteed, and you know that's just the game.

Speaker 8 (01:32:14):
It is what it is.

Speaker 11 (01:32:15):
But when they're coming this early, now you're scrambling before
you've even hit the starting line. That's a bad place
to be. And frankly they were. They were there to
a degree with the secondary last year in UH at
this time, and that ended up being a big problem,
you know, so we can't I don't think we can

(01:32:35):
sort of, you know, downplay this and and.

Speaker 8 (01:32:38):
Say, well, you know, they have time or what have you.

Speaker 11 (01:32:40):
I mean, it is really early to be eating into
your depth to this degree.

Speaker 8 (01:32:46):
So yeah, let's see if they can get through it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Is the whole Howard connection relationship because of that, that visit,
that workout in Cincinnati and December with lou Anarroumo when
he was still employed by the Bengals. Is that how
this all materialized? I know that that. I'm obviously you're
just you know, any port in the proverbial storm here.
But is that how this connection was made?

Speaker 11 (01:33:07):
Well, the connection between him and Rumo goes all the
way back to Miami his rookie year. So he was
a defensive backs coach his first two years in Miami,
and there was that workout. Yes, the Bengals worked him out.
You know, they had a bunch of defensive issues last year,
as you probably remember, which led to lou getting fired.

(01:33:28):
So they worked him out in December. He kind of
liked what he saw, but they worked him out again
here in the last day or so. Is my understanding
the Colts did, They had an in person workout here.
They were pretty impressed. I mean, I didn't see it.
I'm just going by what I was told, and they
thought he was in pretty good shape and in pretty
good health at least, you know, it looked like he

(01:33:49):
could still play. I'm very curious to see him because
all I can tell you is that no one signed
this guy last year, And to me, that's a big
red flag. You know, why is that? And so I
don't know. I haven't gotten a good answer on that,
but there were some legal issues that may have played

(01:34:10):
a role in that. I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:34:12):
He's not been.

Speaker 11 (01:34:12):
Accused of a crime, but he's got you know, if
you can look it up for yourself, there's a lot
going on there. But it's some issues with women that
he dated, and there's some stuff going on there. Lawsuits
have been filed.

Speaker 8 (01:34:27):
And what have you.

Speaker 11 (01:34:29):
Whether that was a part of it, I don't know,
but I do wonder. Right, here's a guy who a
four time pro bowler, who was an All Pro in
twenty twenty, ten interceptions in twenty twenty, and he was
sitting on the couch all last year. That's that's kind
of stunning, right, even for a guy at that age,
you know, so I want to see, you know, what

(01:34:50):
are what are the cults seeing that no one else
is seeing? You know, That's what I'm interested in seeing
when he gets out there to practice, presumably tomorrow, but
I'll be looking, I'll be value and see.

Speaker 8 (01:35:00):
What looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Well you uh, yeah, you would think that. I mean,
it's more in this case, you roll the dice here
more than just it being a necessity for camp and
a body here. Right, maybe if he's going to do that,
you just bring in you know, dude from wherever. But yeah,

(01:35:22):
I mean when you look at you know, twenty twenty
four was not great for him when it comes to accusations.

Speaker 11 (01:35:32):
Stephen, No, that's true. Look, I think you're right. I
mean they're making a calculation here, and that tells me
they need him, and it also suggests perhaps that Jalen
Jones injury is going to be a while, you know.
They they did admit Shane Styken did admit that one

(01:35:54):
that hamstring because he and Jwjrew Brent's have hamstring injuries,
saying did admit that that Jones hamstring was worse and
more of more concern than Juju Brench. So I have
to assume maybe that thing is a little more serious
than maybe we realized for them to make this move,
because you are correct. If you're just looking for somebody

(01:36:16):
to get you through the third pre season game, you know,
and take some practice snaps, well anybody can do that, right,
But this was this was a somewhat aggressive move there.
They're potentially going to pay him a decent amount of
money if what's been reported is true. I'm sure there's
a lot of incentives in there, but I think four
or five million is the max on this, so it's

(01:36:38):
not nothing, you know. So yeah, I agree with you
on that. And this says that this guy could be,
you know, someone they think is going to be here
for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
So Stephen Holder vsp at ESPN dot com. He's on
the Andy Moore Automotive Group potline. We've buried the lead
long enough, but I'm going to give you one more
minute of it too. I talked to Kenny Moore on Thursday,
and he was very concerned that I would violate HIPPA laws,
so in a very funny way he expressed it. But

(01:37:08):
you don't seem yourself concerned about this being a long
term into the regular season situation for him.

Speaker 11 (01:37:17):
I don't believe, so that's not what I've heard. I
don't know if you can, you know, if you can
kind of shay.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
He didn't tell me, Jack Squat, No he didn't. He
just said, but he said, you can't be violating my
hippa or something like that. And I said, I don't
even know what that means.

Speaker 8 (01:37:35):
Medical privacy laws.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't really want to get
into your medical privacy. I'm just asking if you're okay.

Speaker 8 (01:37:46):
So right, right right.

Speaker 11 (01:37:48):
I think that that one, at least from from what's
been you know, kind of uh suggested to us, that
won't be a long term injury. So I'm just going
to kind of count on that being true and hopefully
that is the case. But they don't seem terribly worried
about that one. Kenny's you know, Kenny's a veteran. He'll

(01:38:10):
be he'll be ready to go, you know, with with
a couple of weeks of practice. I presume they still
have three weeks, you know before their opener, so they're
they're feeling pretty good about that. So they're giving these
guys a chance to really heal and get to uh
get to the starting line.

Speaker 8 (01:38:24):
You know, in one piece he.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Is Stephen Holder with us.

Speaker 8 (01:38:27):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Finally, now with the quarterback situation. I mentioned this at
the outset. Normally, when you have a competition, the hope
is to make one or the other in this competition
raise the bar of their game. I haven't seen that.
So to me, if we haven't seen that, then it
goes back to square one, and square one equates to

(01:38:50):
five in week one to me, what say you?

Speaker 11 (01:38:54):
So I would disagree a little bit. I think that
what we have seen from Anthony Richardson is an improvement.
And I don't know what it's going to look like
on Sundays yet, but just in terms of him doing
the things that are improving on things that were problematic
for him.

Speaker 8 (01:39:14):
He has done that.

Speaker 11 (01:39:15):
Now that's not gonna get you know, fixing your footwork
isn't going to turn him into you know, Michael Vick
Tomorrow or Patrick Mahomes I guess or something. But but
it is I think a big step because his accuracy
was bad last year, as you know, if you saw
the if you saw the games, those feet and that

(01:39:38):
footwork will help that accuracy. So that's good, and we
have seen him throw more accurately, you know, so that's good,
and particularly in the short and intermediate stuff, which was
just a mess last year, so that's been much better.
He's not going to be a Kirk Cousins seventy percent passer.
That's not his game. He's never gonna be that, I
don't think. But if he can be closer to sixth

(01:40:00):
per then it becomes workable. Now to your point, though,
I don't think this was a situation where one guy
like significantly outplayed the other guy. That's that's not what
this was. They were pretty close all the way through.
And that's why I have been emphasizing that. I believe

(01:40:20):
some of the little things that maybe are not as
obvious to us will will be a big factor in
deciding this for Shamee Stikeen, And I'm talking about things
he mentioned on Saturday, you know, lining, getting guys lined up,
making the checks at the line of scrimmage, getting the
protections right. You know, those are areas that Daniel Jones

(01:40:42):
is going to be better at than Anthony Richardson because
he got seven years in the league and.

Speaker 8 (01:40:46):
Played a lot of games.

Speaker 11 (01:40:47):
So I don't want people to overlook that that's an
important part of this for Shamee Stike and agree or disagree.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
What's your tail of the tape right now?

Speaker 11 (01:40:58):
Well, if I'm making the decison and I'm not, no
one asked me, which I found weird.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
I just did, but.

Speaker 8 (01:41:07):
No one, that one, no one at uh.

Speaker 11 (01:41:09):
Fifty sixth Street, then I would I would go with Richardson.
And my take on this is pretty simple.

Speaker 8 (01:41:17):
I think I think what you lose.

Speaker 11 (01:41:20):
With Richardson versus Daniel Jones maybe you know, the consistency.
I think you're also sacrificing some things, though that'll cost you.
And what you're sacrificing is the the higher ceiling, the
explosiveness and just that moxie that we saw late in
games against like the Patriots and the Jets. You know,

(01:41:43):
there was some sort of like you know, stiff upper
lip there, you know, if that makes any sense. And
I'm saying, you know, he showed something, and I think
moxie is the right word, right. He showed the ability
to stand tall at the end of the game and
make plays, winning plays, you know. And Daniel Jones, I

(01:42:04):
think what you're doing there is Daniel Jones did a
little more along for the ride, and Daniel Jones is
just at the controls and if everything goes well, you
can win because your quarterback probably won't like.

Speaker 8 (01:42:16):
Screw it up.

Speaker 11 (01:42:17):
But if he going to win you a game, I
feel less strongly about that with Daniel Jones. So I
think the likely outcome is that you end up in
largely the same place no matter which quarterback you play.
So play the guy with the upside, play the young guy,
the guy you haven't seen for six years, be the
same guy.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
That's what I do.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
And you also know that relatively quickly there's going to
be a reason not to play him anymore, and then
Jones is going to be thrust into that category anyway. Now, well,
I mean that's absolutely does that play. Does that at
all play a role in the thought process between you know, ERSA,
Gordon Mallard and Steichen and this final decision Cat, I

(01:43:01):
mean it would for me.

Speaker 11 (01:43:03):
I don't know, you would think, right, you would think,
I don't know where they stand, but you would think
And here's why I would say yes, Because if he
either screws it up, if he becomes the guy we
saw in Houston last year, if he turns into that guy,
all of a sudden and he's overwhelmed again. Well, you
set him down and you tell him thanks, but you know,

(01:43:25):
we appreciate the effort. We're playing Daniel Jones, you shake
hands and you walk away. If he gets hurt, which
he certainly has done, it is what it is. Right,
at least you have had another look and really just
kind of made sure of what you have there. If
he doesn't start this year, if you go with Daniel Jones,

(01:43:47):
let's say Daniel Jones plays wire to wire. I have
no idea, but let's let's play this out right. If
Daniel Jones plays wire to wire, then what are we
doing at the end of the season. What is your
quarterback future is? Who is Anthony Richards?

Speaker 8 (01:44:00):
And I don't I mean none of that.

Speaker 11 (01:44:02):
None of the questions have been answered, right, so at
least give yourself an opportunity to answer the question, is
what I would say, But again they didn't ask me.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
Steven Holder of ESPN ESPN dot COM's with us. I
know you got a run in just a second. So
let's just say decision comes out. Let you get a
story later on tonight. Decision comes out, medeficial coming up tomorrow.
How does that make Cincinnati look on Saturday, how are
they going to approach that personnel wise?

Speaker 11 (01:44:30):
So, if I think the way to play Cincinnati on
Saturday is nobody plays just I mean, it needs to be, Frankly,
to be blunt, it needs to be the future Amazon
Warehouse employees playing in that game. Okay, they have too
many injuries, they're too beat up, and I think frankly,

(01:44:51):
they don't have a lot of roster decisions to make here. Okay,
they know their team for the most part. The guys
they got to make decisions about. Frankly, the guys who
probably need to play in that game anyway, the guys
at the bottom of the roster. So player, rookies, play
your your young guys, play, you know, the long shots.

Speaker 8 (01:45:09):
Let them get some film. That's what I do.

Speaker 11 (01:45:12):
I don't think there's any reason to put these guys
out there. I mean, they played a lot of starters
on Saturday this past Saturday. I think that was a
good enough look. I would move on with my life
and and get on too week one. That's what I did.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
Any surprise, categories of recognizable names that may not make
this roster that we would see his cut here?

Speaker 8 (01:45:34):
Anybody good question? I don't.

Speaker 11 (01:45:38):
I don't think so. I think most of the spots
are spoken for. Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's
going to be anything terribly shocking. Frankly, I really don't.
And and and frankly, the injuries have maybe ensured that that,
you know, maybe some guys who are on the bubble,
they probably make it because they need the death certain places,

(01:46:00):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:46:01):
So I don't think you're gonna have a lot of shockers.

Speaker 11 (01:46:03):
This will be I think one of the easier cuts
they've made, and they'll they'll be all right. But the
question is going to be health and certainly under center
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
All right. Most important game of the season is week
number one. By the way, you've heard it here first.
I think I say that every year, even more magnified
this year though.

Speaker 11 (01:46:23):
Yeah, there's something to be said for getting off to
a good start. If you are every single season climbing
out of a hole either oh to one or OH two,
it's not good for your psyche, it's not good for
just the overall morale of your team. I don't think
it's the end all be all, per se, but that
has to be exhausting to continually be climbing out of

(01:46:46):
a hole after week one. I mean, for what twelve
straight years or something. I mean that enough is enough, right,
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
You got it night, go pick up and we'll hope
no breaking news happens while you're doing that. I was
hoping for something a little bit more profound, but that's understandable. Thanks, buddy.
I appreciate Hey. Great seeing you on Saturday too.

Speaker 8 (01:47:07):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
Stephen Holder, ESPN, ESPN dot com on the Andy Moro
an iom outive group pigline. I have time to bring
this back up, and I do have calls, and I'm
going to get to your calls, and if you're not there,
I will get to your calls. Plenty of time to
do it. But I did mention this a little bit earlier.
I kind of tease this, and you're going to say, oh,

(01:47:30):
there it goes again with thoughts on basketball, but I
do have two thoughts with the fever and their comfort
behind when and Kelsey Mitchell was incredible, it's going thirty
eight and then Sophie Cunningham. We await official word regarding
the extent of her injury, which looked awful, and there

(01:47:51):
have been some reports out there that aren't great, but
you know, in terms of being in on that play purposely.
Come on, seriously, come on. I've said this before too.
We all fully understand how bad the WNBA officials are. Really,

(01:48:15):
what you can do is take some of the worst
officials you've ever seen, and then it's like times one hundred.
It's that bad. But you got to deal with it
because you're in it. But that was not a situation
to where there was anything purposely done. There's just got
to be some sort of exorcism that somebody can perform,

(01:48:38):
because this is a problem across the landscape around it
is just non stop, impactful injuries. And that brings me
to this point. You have thought of me as being
a little bit crazy. You have described me as being
a little bit of a basketball fanboy. You have signed

(01:49:00):
suggested that this is going to be a throwaway pacer
season in twenty five and twenty six. It's not me.
I'm a firm believer in this group, and really nobody
has been on board with me. This is a ship
that I have launched, and I have launched alone, except

(01:49:22):
now somebody seems to be on board. I don't know
who this somebody is. I know that the site is
called The Ringer. Now we had somebody on from The
Ringer before, do you know?

Speaker 7 (01:49:35):
We may have, but it's definitely not.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Have we had because dorky dude we've had on before.
They know their stuff, but the doky mean you can
know your stuff and be a little bit dorky. I
know my stuff and I'm incredibly dorky. I'll own it. Yeah,
not really. That was the other thing too, by the way,
with Kenny Moore's response, James, I'm full of myself, right,

(01:50:02):
I'm not. There's nobody. There's nobody out there that owns
stuff as much as I do, and I I fail
on so many different levels. But dorky, I am not.
Matt Dollinger's this guy's name. He writes for The Ringer.

(01:50:24):
I don't think he's ever been on the show. Here's
the quote. It's been nearly two months since Game seven
of the NBA Finals, but it sort of feels like
it's been two years. Pacers fans have been endlessly cycling
through the Five Stages of grief, like their dopamine laced

(01:50:45):
Instagram reels. First, there was denial, There's no way, Tyrese
Halibert and actually Torre's achilles right. Then anger blank blank
blank blank blank blank blank, then bargaining, well, maybe Andrew
Nimah will be just as good as Halliburton, Then depression,
why do I even watch basketball? Then finally acceptance cy TJ.

(01:51:09):
McConnell for life. I think there's a lot of truth
to what Matt Dollalder says right there. Given the calm
and the fact that I am here for it, I
will claim that I think the Haliburton list Pacers could
still be extremely pesky this season. What is that, you guys?

(01:51:34):
Any familiarity in that sound right there? That's even a
word I can't pronounce. There's something else I own familiarity.
It's a struggle. Extremely pesky this season could possibly even
best hold on a minute, because the earth is about
to shake? Basketball fans, are you ready even best the

(01:51:56):
fifty win plateau and be a four seed?

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
I'm sorry? That earned them a four seed a year ago.
So this writer believes they could be better than they
were in the regular season a year ago. Outside of
Halliburton and Miles turn of the entire roster that slayd
the Bucks crushed the calf shock the Knicks pushed the
thunder to the absolute limit. Losing your franchise player for
an entire season about as the crushing as it gets.

(01:52:26):
But when you consider who the Pacers will be plugging
in place, the situation feels a lot lighter. Who said
this before, somebody's copying off my work. So in short,
Dollinger of the Ringer is a believer, much like your

(01:52:46):
good friend sitting right here talking to you right now
every afternoon from three until six Monday through Friday. A
true believer in the team concept of this Pacers, maybe
not to the limit as we witnessed a year ago,
but a believer in this not being a throwaway and
an incredibly competitive season. Somebody else just launched off the

(01:53:12):
dock on my ship in twenty five and twenty six.
For this Pacer team feels good. We'll respond to that
on the other side of the latest. If you want
to talk about the quarterback debate here with the Colts,
we can certainly do that as well. Don't go anywhere
time for you at two three, nine, ten seventies.

Speaker 4 (01:53:28):
Next the ride with JMV.

Speaker 5 (01:53:34):
If anybody needed a victory different time.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
I think we have to start again.

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
Ninety three to five and one oh seven five The Fan.

Speaker 10 (01:53:47):
I mean I would say yeah, but to be real,
I haven't really been thinking about it too too much,
and I've just been trying to make sure I had
the best of my ability. So when week one does
pop up and show up, and if I am the guy,
if I'm not the guy, you know, I'm ready, you know,
ready for anything that comes to me. They'll make a
decision whenever they do. You know, I'm not too worried
about it, honestly, I'm just trying to make something at

(01:54:08):
the best of my ability for the season, not just
you know, for training camp, for a preseason or anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
Anthony Richardson, So who you got Richardson or Jones, Steven Holder,
Zach Kiefer podcast with each one oh seven five Thefan
dot com, where you can also find three one seven two,
three nine ten seventy. Not only is that a number

(01:54:34):
and we're going to get to your calls in the second,
but it is also a texta line and we have
a check in JMV. I'm completely with your line of thinking.
I want the team to be successful no matter who runs.
Fan Base needs the team to win and maybe concentrate on,
Not so much at being the quarterback that you love,

(01:54:55):
but just the winning. Listen. I don't care how they
go about doing it, but but the winning portion. And
then some enthusiasm, a little interest, a little juice, a
little something, consistency, not just that moment here or there.
This is right now a juiceless organization. And if anybody

(01:55:24):
can step up and provide what is necessary, don't you
think we all unite? The younger, dorky generation of video gamers,
the old crimugeonye fifty five year old social drinking old
farts like me. Don't we all come together? Don't we

(01:55:47):
all mesh? We all mix? If that occurs. The problem
that you have is we all are similar in this capacity,
and that similarity is we are non believers, and this
is something that they have to show us. There is

(01:56:07):
that particular divide, and that is where we find ourselves
in that debate. At least to me. JMV. So Luck
felt so guilty? Why did he keep that twenty five

(01:56:28):
million dollar bonus? Yeah? I know. Actually that almost gives
me spasms to think about those moments. JMV. I think
the Anthony Richardson thing is personal to me. I'm sick
of showing out a bunch of money and time to

(01:56:51):
go to watch him complete ten of thirty passes for
one hundred and ten yards at home games. Text Line
is smashing it right there. JMV. If Anthony can anticipate blitzes,

(01:57:16):
have a pocket presence, and make five to ten yard
passes at sixty percent, culture gonna be good. Taylor running
back room yardage can't turn the ball over, pour turnovers, plague.
They are hoping for the best, JAMBI, I agree with you.
The Civil War luck thing was maybe the most cringey

(01:57:38):
thing of this century. You know what, I don't really
mind this old text stream thing. That's all right, I
keep calling it text stream, and I don't think it
should be that. Where's this two p one nine coming from?
Right here? You guys gotta tell me who you are
and where you're from. This adds a dynamic. And by
the way, James, how can I not type in anything
in here? Can I get back with those that send

(01:58:01):
me something? Can I not just send something out to
the entire room?

Speaker 7 (01:58:05):
I'm not sure you can. I know you can reply,
but I'm not sure if you could just send them.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
I want to send something up to the whole room here.
This is Adam from the region. They just sent that Chesterton,
Indiana the check in right there, the home of what
former IU great Matt Nover Chesterton. Shout out. You know
who else is from the region, Tony Donahue, Tony d

(01:58:34):
I wonder if he got to Chevelle. Did you go
see Chavelle?

Speaker 7 (01:58:36):
And I did not know?

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
It's not hardcore enough for you? Yeah, hey, JAMV did
you know that Matt Dollinger was at IU and got
to cover the Tom Creane years? I did not know that.
Should I have known that he was also a website
writer for the Colts? How did I not know this?
Jim mckann in Southern California has given me like multi

(01:58:58):
reasons as why I should know who Matt Dollinger is.
I feel bad reach out to Matt Dollinger because I
may also be pronouncing his name wrong. I feel bad.
I got to give a shout out to Smitty Smithy's
got a barber shop on the South Side. He's gonna
cut my hair this week. But James, I went through
like the first six games. Yesterday morning a pick up

(01:59:20):
basketball hoop at CG Central and James Wood was playing too,
and I was calling Smitty by the wrong name. I
know what I called him, Chad. Oh, no way to go, Chad.
Nice look Chad, he said, just you should just double
down job, Chad. Just keep calling him Chad. Hold him Chad.

Speaker 7 (01:59:42):
That's his name.

Speaker 2 (01:59:43):
Now? Could I not come up with anything more douchey
than Chad? Hey, Chad, my bad Smitty. So Smitty's going
to barber. He's gonna barber that what you call it? Barbering.
He's gonna barber my hair. Debbie's gonna have to Debbie
a great clips. We'll have to take a break for

(02:00:03):
this month. And uh, Chad or Smitty is gonna barber
up my hair.

Speaker 7 (02:00:09):
I didn't know that barber could be used as a verb.

Speaker 2 (02:00:12):
Barber. He's gonna barber up my dow Chad. He finally said,
you know my name, Smitty is not Chance gosh old
in Crimudgeony Donnie who says Chevelle was great. Jim Gaffigan
is also from Chesterton. Where's my invite to hoop? Don't

(02:00:35):
call me Chad?

Speaker 1 (02:00:38):
Not bad?

Speaker 2 (02:00:41):
Uh. Chris Woldridge used to work here and he works
for a different set of stations now, but he's a
good dude. Asked this, I just got into the car.
What happened to Hunter Wohler, Liz Fronk injury, Chris done
for the season. There's no Chad, But at two three
nine ten seventy, there is an ad I'm Adam. Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 1 (02:01:01):
How are you hey, John?

Speaker 12 (02:01:03):
How you doing today?

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
Great, Adam, Great to see you and the fam on Saturday.

Speaker 8 (02:01:08):
Buddy. Oh yeah, it's just.

Speaker 12 (02:01:10):
Frut to give you a shout out. It was awesome actually, finally,
Glad there you go.

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
To hang out a little bit by the way to
refresh some memories. Adam is a fantastic runner, and he
runs for enjoyment and not just for punishment as I
used to. Yeah, yes, the enjoyment, which I don't get.
I think you're a little bit crazy, but I like
you a great deal, you and the family. It was
a great meeting up with you.

Speaker 12 (02:01:37):
Oh yeah, you too, And hopefully you're doing that more
often here at the games or at that uh mystic
for them that you're gonna have man.

Speaker 2 (02:01:45):
Get yourself a cabin up there too, you.

Speaker 12 (02:01:49):
Know, I was. I was talking to her about that
the other day, like, I wonder, what how much it
is for a cabin.

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
If my cabin is a rock and go ahead and
come on in. You don't have to knock, just come in.
It's going to be rocking.

Speaker 3 (02:02:02):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (02:02:04):
I know I just grossed you out. My bad at him.
Go ahead, regain your train of thought. I know you
have a question and the whole rocking cabin thing took
you off your game.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
My bed, It's all good.

Speaker 12 (02:02:14):
No, I was saying, I was gonna instead of you
saying you have to get.

Speaker 1 (02:02:16):
A barber cut, you should just tell that.

Speaker 12 (02:02:18):
You tell everybody that you're about to get a fresh cut.

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
I'm getting a fresh maybe even a fake. I just
like saying barbered. I'm gonna say barbered. So is gonna
barber me.

Speaker 12 (02:02:29):
It works for you, work for everybody.

Speaker 2 (02:02:31):
Yeah, I feel bad. I called him Chad for like
six games yesterday.

Speaker 8 (02:02:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:02:38):
So about the about the QB conversation, I want to
touch on a couple of things. I'm thinking I want to.

Speaker 8 (02:02:45):
Go with ar.

Speaker 12 (02:02:46):
I'm thinking it should be ar Now. I know a
lot of listeners aren't going to agree with me, but
aar Riley Leonards and Daniel Jones was of QB three.

Speaker 2 (02:02:57):
It's QB two is what you said.

Speaker 12 (02:03:00):
Well, Daniel jos is QB three, so that would be oh,
Riley Leonard and Daniel Jose QB three.

Speaker 2 (02:03:09):
So you're gonna are you gonna make sure it's just
say I get riled up for Riley.

Speaker 12 (02:03:13):
Hey, I mean whatever I mean. If it works, it works,
makes some signs or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:03:19):
Hey, buddy, I got a run. But it was great
to see you in the family on Saturday. Let's do
it again soon.

Speaker 1 (02:03:24):
Well do thank you?

Speaker 8 (02:03:25):
Got it?

Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
That's Adam the avid runner. He does not do it
for punishment like we do. He does it for the
fun of it, enjoyment. By the way, James, it is
Smitty's in the Chair. Oh, this is a I got
a great one coming up here. Great. Great. This is

(02:03:46):
Smitty's Dot in the Chair dot com.

Speaker 7 (02:03:50):
Oh, he's got a website.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
He does Dustin Smith Smitty Dustin's Barbershop. Smitty's Barbershop, I
think is what it is on the south side Addison Avenue.
I believe his name is not chad Ooh, this is
some good stuff. Do I have to go right now
because this could carry a segment or two right here.

Speaker 7 (02:04:10):
We should hit a break here soon.

Speaker 2 (02:04:11):
Oh man, please, this is this is I made videos
before every Saturday Night really a lot, but before every
Saturday night show. This guy is name I'm gonna give
his name?

Speaker 8 (02:04:27):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (02:04:27):
Okay, it better be Ben Tennan. Ben he is a huge
fan of mine. Oh really, actually, I'll tell you what.
Ben Tennan just sent me an exclusive message commenting on
a video. I'm going to save the best for last
right here. I think that Vanessa Williams had that song
that was a hit back in the nineteen nineties. It

(02:04:49):
was nothing but the nineties this past weekend, Saving the
best for last from Ben Tennan a tease. Guys do
not want to go anywhere. He'll enjoy this. Back to
close up things and Ben Tennon makes an appearance.

Speaker 4 (02:05:04):
Next the Ride with JMV. I got of the goal
ninety three to five and one oh seven five.

Speaker 1 (02:05:14):
The fan.

Speaker 2 (02:05:17):
Crak it up for me, James, would you? We did
nothing but the nineties on Saturday night, the lovely and
talented Vanessa Williams. We saved the best for last. Turn
it up. Saving the best for last? This from Ben

(02:05:44):
Tenn and I get one hell of a kickout of
all this, and even more so, I make a video
before I go on every Saturday night for the JV takeover,
and uh, Ben just responded to this. It's very heartfelt.
You can tell how much he cares here, Ben Wright's

(02:06:06):
fat blank, I mean, right out of the gate, I
got it, fat blank needless And this is kind of
it's it's not well written. This, This is not Shakespeare
at at all. Here needless in your blank you are

(02:06:29):
a suck a door bag, such a blank non I'm sorry,
not non none none athlete needle insure. It's needle insertion, arrogance,

(02:06:51):
p os. I've got to make a sure? Can the
shot make a sure out of that?

Speaker 7 (02:06:58):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (02:06:59):
That is that's shirt of all time right there. Needle
insertion arrogance pos. What the guiltiest charged?

Speaker 7 (02:07:08):
What a beautiful way with words, this guy hassion.

Speaker 2 (02:07:15):
You are ridiculously losing it, which she's not too far off.
You're such a wanna be. You're a clown. And of course,
in true shakespeare in fashion that it is. It's pretty funny.

Speaker 7 (02:07:37):
What's the uh, what's the deal on all the like
the pronunci.

Speaker 2 (02:07:42):
Or the oh man, it's all he says, like you
know you are is why oh you are spelled? I
don't know if he was doing this voice to my
Facebook page or what here. But I will say this,
I am an incredibly proud The line of needle insertion

(02:08:03):
ar against POS is maybe one of the greatest I've
ever heard right here.

Speaker 7 (02:08:07):
That is a good one. That's a T shirt right there.

Speaker 2 (02:08:10):
So hey, Brian or Alex if you're listening from the
shop and broad Ripple and Carmel, I definitely need a
needle insertion er against POS shirt made stat Thank you.
And the best part about this whole thing, as I
saved the best for last, is Ben Tennen, who just
wrote that invited me to follow him. I love it, man,

(02:08:35):
that's awesome.

Speaker 7 (02:08:36):
What's such beautiful writing like that?

Speaker 2 (02:08:38):
Follow him? I've saved the best for last. Thank you, Ben.
The needle insertion stuff is great.

Speaker 8 (02:08:48):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (02:08:49):
By the way, Rhino from Connorsville checking in, We've got
Billy from Tyler, Texas. And if you wouldn't mind in
our text stream from now on, name and location so
I can shout you well done with that. I kind
of enjoyed it. James had mentioned we're enjoying it. I
think I enjoyed that a great deal. I just got
to find out how I can send out messages to everybody,

(02:09:11):
and maybe I can come up with the pageantry in words,
the absolute wordsmanship of Ben ten And that was awesome,
all right, James, thank you very much. Steven Holder, Zach
Keifer Podcast one oh seven five fan dot Com. I'm
going to take my needle insertion, arrogance pos rear end

(02:09:33):
down the road and rejoin you coming up tomorrow, three
you guys. Okay with that, thank you all, great time
today on this Monday. Back with you tomorrow at three.
Hopefully we'll have a starting quarterback in week one to
talk about. Talk to you then,

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