August 26, 2025 • 24 mins
Join us for a winter journey through America's national parks. Learn how visiting during the cold season transforms these landscapes into quiet, breathtaking escapes perfect for reflection and adventure alike.
Jennifer Broome; sweptawaytoday.com
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Imagine standing at Old Faithful with just a handful of other visitors instead of hundreds, watching bison trudge through pristine snow, or hiking iconic trails in solitude. Travel expert Jennifer Broome reveals why winter might be the perfect season to experience America's national parks.
Jennifer takes us on a virtual tour of her favorite winter national park destinations, starting with Yellowstone's "season of snow and steam." The park transforms into a magical landscape where wildlife sightings outnumber human encounters, and snowmobiling adventures grant access to geothermal wonders without the crowds. Her vivid descriptions of close encounters with bison, foxes, and coyotes in their natural winter behaviors paint a picture of wilderness experiences rarely available during peak seasons.
Just south in Moab, winter brings comfortable temperatures and dramatically fewer visitors to Arches and Canyonlands National Parks. Jennifer shares insider knowledge from locals about the best months (November and February) and practical tips for safely hiking iconic trails like Delicate Arch and Mesa Arch when patches of ice might be present. Her excitement is palpable when describing how landmarks that typically host hundreds of summer visitors might welcome just twenty wintertime adventurers.
For those seeking warmer winter experiences, Big Bend National Park in West Texas offers unique cross-border adventures. Jennifer details the delightful experience of crossing the Rio Grande by rowboat into the small Mexican town of Boquillas, complete with burro rides and authentic cuisine. She rounds out her recommendations with Saguaro National Park near Tucson, Arizona—an International Dark Sky Park where ancient rock art and towering cacti create an otherworldly desert landscape.
Beyond just the scenery, Jennifer highlights practical considerations for winter park visits, from utilizing the National Park Service app for offline maps to packing appropriate gear for changing conditions. Her enthusiasm for these off-season adventures reminds us that America's natural wonders offer different but equally spectacular experiences throughout the year.
Ready to experience national parks without the crowds? Pack your layers, charge your camera, and discover the magic of winter in America's most treasured landscapes.
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Today, our special guest isJennifer Broom.
Jennifer Broom is an expertExcuse me, I'm sorry, something
in my throat, sorry, jennifer.
She's an expert on our nationalparks and national monuments.
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Are you not doing that voice the whole time?
Come on, yeah, sure I'll do it.
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national monuments and she hasbeen seen on television all
across the country and, I'm sure, internationally as well, and
we are so blessed to have her asour guest today.
Welcome, jennifer Broom, to thepodcast.
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And yes, you are correct, television in the US
and abroad.
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That's right, baby.
That's how you started yourcareer television star.
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That's right.
Tv meteorologist.
Still do a little weather everynow and then?
Yeah, of course.
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Rainy days and Mondays.
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Well, we are so glad that you have graced our episode
with your presence and yourknowledge.
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This time we're going to talk about winter places to
visit, national parksspecifically to visit, and
national monuments.
Perhaps in the wintertime inthe US, take it away.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
My number one favorite national park to go to
in winter and this mightsurprise you yellowstone in the
winter yes, yes, I know y'allare like what that's a lot of
snow and cold yeah, you're likewait a minute, don't they have
like temperatures that drop to30 below zero?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yes, they do.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yes, they do, but it is truly Yellowstone season of
snow and steam.
You will not have crowdsbecause of one major reason
being that most of the roads inYellowstone are closed in winter
.
And yeah, there are still someroads on the northern side, so
Wyoming, going into Montana,that area is still open and then
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around West Yellowstone alsostill has some, so you can get
some access from that side.
So on the northwest and thewestern side of it and then also
down towards Jackson, but themajority of the park, the roads
are closed and so the only wayto see the park is to see all of
it is to jump on a snowmobileand go on a grand adventure and
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I had the opportunity to do thisgoing from Cody, which is kind
of the East gateway toYellowstone, and it's just
incredible.
So you drive over from what theknow what Theodore Roosevelt
called one of the grandestlandscapes in America, and so
you go in from Cody, you jump onyour snowmobile and my guide
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Dean and I, when we hit in thenational park and we're driving
along, we didn't see anybody forhours.
I mean it was, and honestlyI'll tell you the number of
bison that we saw outnumberedthe people tremendously you know
tremendously and we did youknow?
we did see some bison on theroads there.
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You know, look, they're goingto be smart and take the path of
least resistance, and that'sthe road.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Thanks for clearing this for us.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm honestly going to say it isa little bit nerve wracking.
You know, when you're on asnowmobile and you come up and
it's like whoa, there is amassively large bison.
I'm very thankful that I had ahighly trained guide, very
experienced, and told me what todo, and that we just keep
cruising on but I just it'salmost like, don't look at them,
just go, don't make eye contact, just go.
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But then to see that, but thenwe would have other times that
we would see in some of theirmain kind of winter feeding
meadows, just to see so many ofthem together and it just really
to me was such a special,special opportunity and as grand
as it is to see, like the bison, I mean, we spotted fox, we saw
a coyote on a recent kill,which is not necessarily
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something that you would see.
You know that happens inwildlife, that is part of the
circle of life, not necessarilysomething that you might witness
in the summertime and you know,just seeing like this
incredibly beautiful fox justsitting there on a hill and
being able to just watch its furblow in the wind, also on the
road, having a coyote come rightby us hunting for its dinner,
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could have cared less that wewere on the other side of the
road, that you know, but it wasso because we weren't a threat
to it.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
No, you're in his world.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, we're in his world and you know, it was just
kind of like we kept ourdistance and just watched, you
know, and having thatopportunity to witness that, but
to also get all of thegeothermal features to go into,
like Norris Basin, to seeSteamboat Geyser, that was just
incredible.
But then we, with my experiencethat I did, we got to stay at
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Old Faithful Snow Lodge, whichis just open in, the only open
in the winter.
But we overnighted there and sowe got to Old Faithful.
It's about 4:30.
So you know, winter that'sgetting right there at sunset
and there were less than 10people, including the two of us,
less than 10 people watchingOld Faithful go off.
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And so that in and of itself toto me is for that reason alone
is why you should go toYellowstone in winter.
But it's also, if you, you know, beyond the snowmobiling from
kind of the Old Faithful snowlodge, you can do things like
cross country ski snowshoe.
There's some opportunities likethat.
So if you don't want to do allthe snowmobiling adventure, I
understand that.
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You know can can also do somethings from there.
But Yellowstone in the winterby far and I've been in
Yellowstone in every season andin cause.
I love it I truly do love it,and it is 1000%.
My favorite season is winter.
Wow, and if you're wondering,okay, what about?
How do you deal with the cold?
So it's Gary Fales Outfittersthat I went with out of Cody,
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and the other ones do this too.
They provide you with asnowmobile suit.
You still want to make surethat you have on multiple layers
underneath, but they do giveyou that extra protection for
those times, especially whenthose temperatures are, you know
, are certainly quite frigid.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Okay, so we've got that, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So just south of Wyoming or just south of
Yellowstone, I'm going to takeyou over into Moab.
You know a lot of folks arelike what go to Moab in the
winter and by all means.
I had a local tell me I wasstaying at Airbnb and was
chatting with the local thatowned it and she just gave me
some great advice.
She's like when is the besttime to come?
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And she said November andFebruary are the two best months
.
I'm giving out all the secrets.
They won't be now, I know, Iknow You're welcome Moab the two
best months to go because youdon't have crowds, you don't
have to get up at oh dark 30 tohit a trail, you can have warm
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afternoons.
You know, and she's right, youknow, as somebody who's also
been in Moab in every season,you know it is a spot.
It's only for me from Denver,it's drive time, it's about six,
six and a half hours.
So you know it's veryapproachable to do, you know, a
three-day weekend over there.
But I love the winter becauseof the less crowds.
It is the opportunity to.
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And I'll just tell you, I wentin January and a couple of years
ago and we had great weather inthe afternoons.
I mean, I literally was at somepoints down to a t-shirt in the
afternoons in January.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Of course you dress.
You do need to dress warmer.
You are in desert, so you knowit's dry conditions.
But if you're going to go in thewinter and you want to do
something like delicate arch itis one of the most iconic hikes
in arches and if you want to dothat hike, you want to make sure
you take some traction devices,because there's a backside of
it that's really shaded andtraditionally, especially in
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January, we'll have at least alittle ice, so you have to be
prepared for that.
So trekking poles and tractiondevices on your feet are a great
idea for that particular smallarea.
But in January look, thereality is you can have delicate
arch with less than 20 people,versus the summertime, when you
are going to have hundreds ofpeople there.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Literally.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Literally hundreds of people.
Wow, yeah, it is one of, if not, and I actually think it's the
most popular hike in Arches, anddon't underestimate it.
A lot of people say, oh, it'sthree miles round trip.
It is on Slickrock.
You do have a couple ofsignificant inclines with it.
It is not easy and I'm a hikerand a trekker so I was like,
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just be prepared, don't do it inflip-flops.
You know, I mean a lot ofpeople do.
People do all the time,especially on a slick rock.
You want to make sure just anytime of year that you do have
some good treads on your shoeson that hike.
But it is wonderful, but youget that, and then you can also
go and see the windows, watchsunset right there at the
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windows, without the crowds.
You can do an easier hike anddo sand dune arch, tapestry arch
and broken arch.
That's an easy, flat hike.
One of my favorite hikes inarches one of them is 00 arch.
That is a little bit morestrenuous so you do have to
watch and I would not do thatone in winter without traction
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devices on my feet.
That one's one, but the otherone that I just love is Fiery
Furnace, and you can.
It's a little bit easier to getthat permit?
I believe they only permit it's50 or 52 permits a day for fiery
furnace?
Um, it is, it's not, it's not alot.
Its not, and so the odds arethat you could potentially get
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that, especially on a weekday inthe winter, or much higher.
I mean, honestly, we ended up Itook my best friend's youngest
son, um, you know, and of coursewe went into fiery furnace and
and it is um very loosely marked, very, very, very primitive
trail, Trail.
Yeah, I feel like you'rechoosing your words.
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They're literally like, actuallynot even that big.
They're about that big littlearrows, that kind of point the
way that you follow Maybe youcan see yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Maybe you can see we got lost.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
at one point.
We were like we had to retraceour steps because I was like I
cannot tell her.
I was like, oh gosh, this isjust not good.
I was like her son is with me,this is not going to be good, I
have to bring him home alive.
I mean, we laugh about it now,but that was part of the fun and
it is that moment of you haveto depend on all of your senses
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and you might have to do what wedid and backtrack just a little
bit.
But there are unmarked arches inthere, like I said.
I mean, there's points whereyou're really scrambling on all
fours.
There's little narrow, slickrock areas where you're like
you're like Spider-Man, likestuck, you know, climbing
through very, very near a canyonwall.
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So I love that.
So, so arches and, of course,canyonlands.
Just as I talked about DelicateArch, mesa Arch in Canyonlands
and the Island in the Sky unitbecause there's three units to
Canyonlands and the Island inthe Sky unit Mesa Arch is and
not just in the National Park, Ieven think in all of Utah.
well, it's one of the top spotsin the country really to catch
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sunrise because of how the suncomes up on that arch, and in
summertime you will havehundreds of people there at
sunrise.
In winter you might have 20 or25 at that at the most.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So what's the difficulty in getting to it for
sunrise?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
It's not so for Canyonlands.
You do have to allot that.
It's a 40 to 45 minute drivefrom downtown Moab, so you do
need to allot for that time.
But then you get to Mesa Archand it's a short hike it's less
than a half mile.
So I mean it's a very easy hiketo Mesa Arch, which is part of
the reason why you have so manypeople that go there, because it
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is a more accessible.
It's not fully accessible, butit is more accessible to a wide
range of hikers being able toget in there.
But so, yeah, and I would alsosay, don't miss the state park
that's right there.
So after you've gone forsunrise, make sure you stop at
Dead Horse Point State Park.
One of the best views in Moabis in that state park.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Come on.
It's so incredibly spectacularand you know it is fun just to
get Moab in those in wintertimewhen accommodations are a little
bit less.
It may not be anymore, A littlebit easier to get into some of
the restaurants and enjoy someof the spots without the crowds.
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You've got that.
Take you into West Texas.
Several years ago, I did a roadtrip with a dear friend of mine
.
Well, it was 2017.
First time I went to West Texas, a dear friend of mine from San
Antonio took me and we did a.
It was two chicks, five days,thousand and one mile road trip
in West Texas.
It was epic Go girls.
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Yes, yes, my friend Carol and I had the best time.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
But since then I've been back multiple times and one
of the big reasons is becauseof Big Bend National Park.
They're in Terlingua, texas,and Big Bend is the only
national park with an entiremountain range within its
borders.
It does sit on the US-Mexicoborder, so if you're going, take
your passport, because there isa passport control where you
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can go through and it's so muchfun, it really is so much fun to
do this.
There's this the Mexican townon the other side is called
Boquillas and there are about 45or 46 families that have lived
in Boquillas for generations.
So you know, so you go through,you get to, you get to the Rio
Grande, you go across in arowboat.
So make sure you take a littlecash with you, because that
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rowboat oh, it's so much fun.
That's awesome so it's like fiveor seven dollars to go across
on the rowboat.
Then you get to the other sideand you can go one of three ways
.
You can jump in a truck.
Well, you can go four ways.
You can walk if you want, jumpin a truck, or you can ride a
burrow, or you can ride a horse.
We chose to ride the burrowsbecause why would you not do
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that?
Right, I will honestly tell you.
I actually we did thatadventure in June and it was 117
degrees.
I would much rather do that inwinter.
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You know, I mean it's just, it'sso.
That's why I suggest and I havebeen in Big Bend in the winter
and I thoroughly, thoroughlyenjoy it.
So so, yes, you go across, thenyou can go have a fun lunch,
incredible Mexican food, as youwould expect.
It is very safe in that town.
And so you go, you have yourlunch and then come back across
and there's hot springs onceyou're back on the US side.
But you have to have yourpassport because you are
crossing the border and so thenwhen you come back to the US
side and you're back into BigBen, you can go.
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There's hot springs that arenot far from that border
crossing.
But just the epic drives.
I mean Big Bend.
They always say everything'sbigger in Texas.
Well, I mean Big Bend ismassive, massive, and I mean
it's just an incrediblelandscape to enjoy.
Some of the other areas to goto in Big Bend Santa Elena
Canyon is a phenomenal, it'sbeautiful, the canyon walls and
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you can hike up in it and see it.
You know, like I said, thedrives, and then the Chisos
Mountains.
Now I will say they are doingsome construction at Chisos
Basin.
That is one of the places.
It is the place where you go ifyou want to do the windows hike
, lost Mines both of those aretwo of my favorite hikes in the
park, so just be aware of that.
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But they are doing somerenovations.
They are doing adding in moreaccommodations and upgrading
some stuff.
So, just to alert you, you aregoing to need a little bit of
time and going to have to dealwith that as we go through
winter and I think it's going tolast.
I think it actually lasts for awhole nother year.
So just a heads up make surewhen you're checking which you
should always do for IndianNational Park you should go to
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that National Park website andalso, on National Park Service
app, you should go onto the parkand save the park that you're
going to save it for offline use.
So you have maps, so you have.
And if there's like a, ifthere's a auto tour, all of
that's in there so you canlisten to the different parts of
the auto tour, at least readabout the different spots.
So make sure you save in theapp, the National Park Service
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app, that you save for offlineuse.
So just and to have the mapsthat's a big thing to have.
But on those, whether it's theapp or their website, they
always have the alert sectionsand it's invaluable to make sure
that you're reading and knowingwhat the alerts are.
And that could be foreverything for a construction
closure, for the road closuresthat happen seasonally, because
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in winter some of the roads doclose in national parks for the
winter conditions, but then also, you know, potentially for
wildfires or significant weatherimpacts that have happened.
All of that is going to be inthat alert section on the
website or in the app.
So, big Bend, west Texas ohit's, it's.
That's one of my favoriteplaces on earth, so I'm sharing
all my favorites but another onethat I also love to go to in
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winter, and the final one forthe winter section is Saguaro
National Park in Tucson.
It is Tucson, first of all, wasthe first and only one of two
UNESCO cities of gastronomy inthe United States.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
The other is San.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Antonio, and so you know it's kind of like when you
go.
Oh well, that makes sensebecause they are both.
You know, you think of theunique kinds of food that both
of those two cities San Antonioand Tucson that they have, but
you definitely want to make sureyou allot time to eat your way
through Tucson.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
We have no problem with that.
Yeah, no, I'm up for it.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
And I know you guys love music.
They have a phenomenal musicscene in.
Tucson, Especially, put thisone on your list.
Hotel Congress.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Hotel Congress.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
All right.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Iconic spot.
Oh yeah, you guys need to staythere.
Lots of history, there's ghosttours, all sorts of stuff there,
and even there's ghosts relatedto music.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
So yeah, put that one on your list.
I've got a few of thosefollowing me around.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I know it sounds like a country song, right?
Yeah, so you know the Ghost ofMe.
So yeah, I'll write that nowyeah.
So, but it's such a cool.
Saguaro National Park does havetwo units and they are on the
east and the west side of thecity.
They also have in Tucson verynew and it's the only spot in
the world that I'm aware of andI wrote an article for Condé
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Nast Traveler on it.
It's the Astro Trail and itcame out this year and it is
such a cool thing that they'veconnected the different spots
from observatories to includeplaces like Saguaro National
Park, which is an urban darkskies place.
It's one of the few in theworld.
It is an international dark skypark, but if you love
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stargazing, it's one of thespots to do that.
But I love this park because ofthe giant saguaros.
I mean, they are the giants ofthe Sonoran Desert, the cactus,
the cacti if you're talkingabout them, plural that just dot
the landscape and they're notthe only ones.
You know there's barrel cactusand the ball cactus and the
organ pipe cactus, you knowthere's just, there's a variety
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of them, but the big giantsaguaroas that are hundreds of
years old, you know they're justiconic and beautiful.
So it's a credible spot.
You know I have done severalyears in a row, kind of just
done a quick solo trip down toTucson just to get away, down to
Tucson, just to get away.
And there's something so healingand wonderful about that spot
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of just nourishing your soul andgiving you a little bit of of
just rejuvenates you and takesaway the holiday stress, um you
know you're in betweenThanksgiving and the Christmas
holidays.
So so it is such a beautifulpark.
There's tons of great hiking Ifyou're a cyclist, especially in
the East unit.
There is an incredible pavedloop if you're a road cyclist,
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and it's also a scenic drive forthose of us who aren't
necessarily.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I used to be a road cyclist back in the day.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Don't so much anymore , but it really is a mecca for
road cyclists.
But it's beautiful there and onthe West side there really is
incredible hiking.
Signal Hill is my favorite onthe west side.
It's very short.
I believe it's a half mileround trip.
It is so worth doing it, thoughit is in the west unit, or the
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west district is what they callit.
It is on the scenic drive butyou go up and you do the short
little.
You know quick little quarterof a mile hike up to the top and
you get up there and there'srock art everywhere and then
you're looking out over a sea ofsaguaros, and it's just what a
contrast.
Yeah, you know, I mean it's just.
It's like wow, I feel soblessed to stand here and see
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and tap into ancient societies,but also enjoy this phenomenal
landscape that is the AmericanSouthwest.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
And to do it in such an incredible city that has so
much history and culture.
And I could go on and on aboutwhy you should go to that
national park and also aboutTucson, but just put it on your
list.
And if you haven't thoughtabout going in December, by all
means do it.
If you go in December andpromise you it won't be your
last, I actually went and youguys will love this, because you
know I love a good road trip.
The reason I went the firsttime was because I was checking
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off all the national parkservice units that I'm doing,
but I was able to visit ninewithin three hours of Tucson,
nine different units withinthree.
Yeah, I wrote a huge article forAAA national on it.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
And there, so there's a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
there's a lot to do, Um, and surprisingly, in
Southern Arizona, you know, it'sjust incredible.
So so there you go, I'm takingyou from season of snow and
steam in Yellowstone to theseason of I don't know what
cacti splinter.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, that's right, samurai splinter, samurai,
that's good right, that's yourname in your article.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
There you go.
Well, we can use that in thepodcast.
Yeah, that's right.
Awesome, awesome, and we'llalso put in the show notes
referenced your guide and thingslike that, and, of course, all
of Jennifer's info will be inthe show notes.
Jennifer, do you want to justtell us real quick how people
can find you?
Sure.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Eas easiest is to hit me up on my website, that's
sweptawaytoday.
com.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Also, follow me on Instagram, tiktok, whatever, and
it's at Jennifer Broom traveland of course, it's Broom like a
sweep width with an E on theend Awesome Again, that will be
in our show notes.
You'll also find it on thesocials and we've been sharing
just some of the highlights thatJennifer has shared with us on
our socials, so we hope that youenjoy diving into that and
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checking out these sitesvisually there.
Jennifer, thank you so much.
We really, really appreciatehaving you.
Thank you for all yourexpertise and just your fun.
Personality and the way youdescribe things is so great and
rich and poetic and we just lovethat.
Thank you for this whole season, this whole year of national
parks that you've shared with us.
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Today, our special guest isJennifer Broom.
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She's an expert on our nationalparks and national monuments.
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Yes, she's an expert on the national parks and
national monuments and she hasbeen seen on television all
across the country and, I'm sure, internationally as well, and
we are so blessed to have her asour guest today.
Welcome, jennifer Broom, to thepodcast.
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Still do a little weather everynow and then?
Yeah, of course.
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Rainy days and Mondays.
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Well, we are so glad that you have graced our episode
with your presence and yourknowledge.
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This time we're going to talk about winter places to
visit, national parksspecifically to visit, and
national monuments.
Perhaps in the wintertime inthe US, take it away.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
My number one favorite national park to go to
in winter and this mightsurprise you yellowstone in the
winter yes, yes, I know y'allare like what that's a lot of
snow and cold yeah, you're likewait a minute, don't they have
like temperatures that drop to30 below zero?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yes, they do.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yes, they do, but it is truly Yellowstone season of
snow and steam.
You will not have crowdsbecause of one major reason
being that most of the roads inYellowstone are closed in winter
.
And yeah, there are still someroads on the northern side, so
Wyoming, going into Montana,that area is still open and then
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around West Yellowstone alsostill has some, so you can get
some access from that side.
So on the northwest and thewestern side of it and then also
down towards Jackson, but themajority of the park, the roads
are closed and so the only wayto see the park is to see all of
it is to jump on a snowmobileand go on a grand adventure and
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I had the opportunity to do thisgoing from Cody, which is kind
of the East gateway toYellowstone, and it's just
incredible.
So you drive over from what theknow what Theodore Roosevelt
called one of the grandestlandscapes in America, and so
you go in from Cody, you jump onyour snowmobile and my guide
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Dean and I, when we hit in thenational park and we're driving
along, we didn't see anybody forhours.
I mean it was, and honestlyI'll tell you the number of
bison that we saw outnumberedthe people tremendously you know
tremendously and we did youknow?
we did see some bison on theroads there.
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You know, look, they're goingto be smart and take the path of
least resistance, and that'sthe road.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Thanks for clearing this for us.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm honestly going to say it isa little bit nerve wracking.
You know, when you're on asnowmobile and you come up and
it's like whoa, there is amassively large bison.
I'm very thankful that I had ahighly trained guide, very
experienced, and told me what todo, and that we just keep
cruising on but I just it'salmost like, don't look at them,
just go, don't make eye contact, just go.
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But then to see that, but thenwe would have other times that
we would see in some of theirmain kind of winter feeding
meadows, just to see so many ofthem together and it just really
to me was such a special,special opportunity and as grand
as it is to see, like the bison, I mean, we spotted fox, we saw
a coyote on a recent kill,which is not necessarily
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something that you would see.
You know that happens inwildlife, that is part of the
circle of life, not necessarilysomething that you might witness
in the summertime and you know,just seeing like this
incredibly beautiful fox justsitting there on a hill and
being able to just watch its furblow in the wind, also on the
road, having a coyote come rightby us hunting for its dinner,
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could have cared less that wewere on the other side of the
road, that you know, but it wasso because we weren't a threat
to it.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
No, you're in his world.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, we're in his world and you know, it was just
kind of like we kept ourdistance and just watched, you
know, and having thatopportunity to witness that, but
to also get all of thegeothermal features to go into,
like Norris Basin, to seeSteamboat Geyser, that was just
incredible.
But then we, with my experiencethat I did, we got to stay at
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Old Faithful Snow Lodge, whichis just open in, the only open
in the winter.
But we overnighted there and sowe got to Old Faithful.
It's about 4:30.
So you know, winter that'sgetting right there at sunset
and there were less than 10people, including the two of us,
less than 10 people watchingOld Faithful go off.
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And so that in and of itself toto me is for that reason alone
is why you should go toYellowstone in winter.
But it's also, if you, you know, beyond the snowmobiling from
kind of the Old Faithful snowlodge, you can do things like
cross country ski snowshoe.
There's some opportunities likethat.
So if you don't want to do allthe snowmobiling adventure, I
understand that.
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You know can can also do somethings from there.
But Yellowstone in the winterby far and I've been in
Yellowstone in every season andin cause.
I love it I truly do love it,and it is 1000%.
My favorite season is winter.
Wow, and if you're wondering,okay, what about?
How do you deal with the cold?
So it's Gary Fales Outfittersthat I went with out of Cody,
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and the other ones do this too.
They provide you with asnowmobile suit.
You still want to make surethat you have on multiple layers
underneath, but they do giveyou that extra protection for
those times, especially whenthose temperatures are, you know
, are certainly quite frigid.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Okay, so we've got that, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So just south of Wyoming or just south of
Yellowstone, I'm going to takeyou over into Moab.
You know a lot of folks arelike what go to Moab in the
winter and by all means.
I had a local tell me I wasstaying at Airbnb and was
chatting with the local thatowned it and she just gave me
some great advice.
She's like when is the besttime to come?
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And she said November andFebruary are the two best months
.
I'm giving out all the secrets.
They won't be now, I know, Iknow You're welcome Moab the two
best months to go because youdon't have crowds, you don't
have to get up at oh dark 30 tohit a trail, you can have warm
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afternoons.
You know, and she's right, youknow, as somebody who's also
been in Moab in every season,you know it is a spot.
It's only for me from Denver,it's drive time, it's about six,
six and a half hours.
So you know it's veryapproachable to do, you know, a
three-day weekend over there.
But I love the winter becauseof the less crowds.
It is the opportunity to.
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And I'll just tell you, I wentin January and a couple of years
ago and we had great weather inthe afternoons.
I mean, I literally was at somepoints down to a t-shirt in the
afternoons in January.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Of course you dress.
You do need to dress warmer.
You are in desert, so you knowit's dry conditions.
But if you're going to go in thewinter and you want to do
something like delicate arch itis one of the most iconic hikes
in arches and if you want to dothat hike, you want to make sure
you take some traction devices,because there's a backside of
it that's really shaded andtraditionally, especially in
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January, we'll have at least alittle ice, so you have to be
prepared for that.
So trekking poles and tractiondevices on your feet are a great
idea for that particular smallarea.
But in January look, thereality is you can have delicate
arch with less than 20 people,versus the summertime, when you
are going to have hundreds ofpeople there.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Literally.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Literally hundreds of people.
Wow, yeah, it is one of, if not, and I actually think it's the
most popular hike in Arches, anddon't underestimate it.
A lot of people say, oh, it'sthree miles round trip.
It is on Slickrock.
You do have a couple ofsignificant inclines with it.
It is not easy and I'm a hikerand a trekker so I was like,
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just be prepared, don't do it inflip-flops.
You know, I mean a lot ofpeople do.
People do all the time,especially on a slick rock.
You want to make sure just anytime of year that you do have
some good treads on your shoeson that hike.
But it is wonderful, but youget that, and then you can also
go and see the windows, watchsunset right there at the
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windows, without the crowds.
You can do an easier hike anddo sand dune arch, tapestry arch
and broken arch.
That's an easy, flat hike.
One of my favorite hikes inarches one of them is 00 arch.
That is a little bit morestrenuous so you do have to
watch and I would not do thatone in winter without traction
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devices on my feet.
That one's one, but the otherone that I just love is Fiery
Furnace, and you can.
It's a little bit easier to getthat permit?
I believe they only permit it's50 or 52 permits a day for fiery
furnace?
Um, it is, it's not, it's not alot.
Its not, and so the odds arethat you could potentially get
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that, especially on a weekday inthe winter, or much higher.
I mean, honestly, we ended up Itook my best friend's youngest
son, um, you know, and of coursewe went into fiery furnace and
and it is um very loosely marked, very, very, very primitive
trail, Trail.
Yeah, I feel like you'rechoosing your words.
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They're literally like, actuallynot even that big.
They're about that big littlearrows, that kind of point the
way that you follow Maybe youcan see yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Maybe you can see we got lost.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
at one point.
We were like we had to retraceour steps because I was like I
cannot tell her.
I was like, oh gosh, this isjust not good.
I was like her son is with me,this is not going to be good, I
have to bring him home alive.
I mean, we laugh about it now,but that was part of the fun and
it is that moment of you haveto depend on all of your senses
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and you might have to do what wedid and backtrack just a little
bit.
But there are unmarked arches inthere, like I said.
I mean, there's points whereyou're really scrambling on all
fours.
There's little narrow, slickrock areas where you're like
you're like Spider-Man, likestuck, you know, climbing
through very, very near a canyonwall.
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So I love that.
So, so arches and, of course,canyonlands.
Just as I talked about DelicateArch, mesa Arch in Canyonlands
and the Island in the Sky unitbecause there's three units to
Canyonlands and the Island inthe Sky unit Mesa Arch is and
not just in the National Park, Ieven think in all of Utah.
well, it's one of the top spotsin the country really to catch
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sunrise because of how the suncomes up on that arch, and in
summertime you will havehundreds of people there at
sunrise.
In winter you might have 20 or25 at that at the most.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So what's the difficulty in getting to it for
sunrise?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
It's not so for Canyonlands.
You do have to allot that.
It's a 40 to 45 minute drivefrom downtown Moab, so you do
need to allot for that time.
But then you get to Mesa Archand it's a short hike it's less
than a half mile.
So I mean it's a very easy hiketo Mesa Arch, which is part of
the reason why you have so manypeople that go there, because it
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is a more accessible.
It's not fully accessible, butit is more accessible to a wide
range of hikers being able toget in there.
But so, yeah, and I would alsosay, don't miss the state park
that's right there.
So after you've gone forsunrise, make sure you stop at
Dead Horse Point State Park.
One of the best views in Moabis in that state park.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Come on.
It's so incredibly spectacularand you know it is fun just to
get Moab in those in wintertimewhen accommodations are a little
bit less.
It may not be anymore, A littlebit easier to get into some of
the restaurants and enjoy someof the spots without the crowds.
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You've got that.
Take you into West Texas.
Several years ago, I did a roadtrip with a dear friend of mine
.
Well, it was 2017.
First time I went to West Texas, a dear friend of mine from San
Antonio took me and we did a.
It was two chicks, five days,thousand and one mile road trip
in West Texas.
It was epic Go girls.
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Yes, yes, my friend Carol and I had the best time.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
But since then I've been back multiple times and one
of the big reasons is becauseof Big Bend National Park.
They're in Terlingua, texas,and Big Bend is the only
national park with an entiremountain range within its
borders.
It does sit on the US-Mexicoborder, so if you're going, take
your passport, because there isa passport control where you
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can go through and it's so muchfun, it really is so much fun to
do this.
There's this the Mexican townon the other side is called
Boquillas and there are about 45or 46 families that have lived
in Boquillas for generations.
So you know, so you go through,you get to, you get to the Rio
Grande, you go across in arowboat.
So make sure you take a littlecash with you, because that
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rowboat oh, it's so much fun.
That's awesome so it's like fiveor seven dollars to go across
on the rowboat.
Then you get to the other sideand you can go one of three ways
.
You can jump in a truck.
Well, you can go four ways.
You can walk if you want, jumpin a truck, or you can ride a
burrow, or you can ride a horse.
We chose to ride the burrowsbecause why would you not do
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that?
Right, I will honestly tell you.
I actually we did thatadventure in June and it was 117
degrees.
I would much rather do that inwinter.
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You know, I mean it's just, it'sso.
That's why I suggest and I havebeen in Big Bend in the winter
and I thoroughly, thoroughlyenjoy it.
So so, yes, you go across, thenyou can go have a fun lunch,
incredible Mexican food, as youwould expect.
It is very safe in that town.
And so you go, you have yourlunch and then come back across
and there's hot springs onceyou're back on the US side.
But you have to have yourpassport because you are
crossing the border and so thenwhen you come back to the US
side and you're back into BigBen, you can go.
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There's hot springs that arenot far from that border
crossing.
But just the epic drives.
I mean Big Bend.
They always say everything'sbigger in Texas.
Well, I mean Big Bend ismassive, massive, and I mean
it's just an incrediblelandscape to enjoy.
Some of the other areas to goto in Big Bend Santa Elena
Canyon is a phenomenal, it'sbeautiful, the canyon walls and
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you can hike up in it and see it.
You know, like I said, thedrives, and then the Chisos
Mountains.
Now I will say they are doingsome construction at Chisos
Basin.
That is one of the places.
It is the place where you go ifyou want to do the windows hike
, lost Mines both of those aretwo of my favorite hikes in the
park, so just be aware of that.
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But they are doing somerenovations.
They are doing adding in moreaccommodations and upgrading
some stuff.
So, just to alert you, you aregoing to need a little bit of
time and going to have to dealwith that as we go through
winter and I think it's going tolast.
I think it actually lasts for awhole nother year.
So just a heads up make surewhen you're checking which you
should always do for IndianNational Park you should go to
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that National Park website andalso, on National Park Service
app, you should go onto the parkand save the park that you're
going to save it for offline use.
So you have maps, so you have.
And if there's like a, ifthere's a auto tour, all of
that's in there so you canlisten to the different parts of
the auto tour, at least readabout the different spots.
So make sure you save in theapp, the National Park Service
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app, that you save for offlineuse.
So just and to have the mapsthat's a big thing to have.
But on those, whether it's theapp or their website, they
always have the alert sectionsand it's invaluable to make sure
that you're reading and knowingwhat the alerts are.
And that could be foreverything for a construction
closure, for the road closuresthat happen seasonally, because
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in winter some of the roads doclose in national parks for the
winter conditions, but then also, you know, potentially for
wildfires or significant weatherimpacts that have happened.
All of that is going to be inthat alert section on the
website or in the app.
So, big Bend, west Texas ohit's, it's.
That's one of my favoriteplaces on earth, so I'm sharing
all my favorites but another onethat I also love to go to in
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winter, and the final one forthe winter section is Saguaro
National Park in Tucson.
It is Tucson, first of all, wasthe first and only one of two
UNESCO cities of gastronomy inthe United States.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
The other is San.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Antonio, and so you know it's kind of like when you
go.
Oh well, that makes sensebecause they are both.
You know, you think of theunique kinds of food that both
of those two cities San Antonioand Tucson that they have, but
you definitely want to make sureyou allot time to eat your way
through Tucson.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
We have no problem with that.
Yeah, no, I'm up for it.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
And I know you guys love music.
They have a phenomenal musicscene in.
Tucson, Especially, put thisone on your list.
Hotel Congress.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Hotel Congress.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
All right.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Iconic spot.
Oh yeah, you guys need to staythere.
Lots of history, there's ghosttours, all sorts of stuff there,
and even there's ghosts relatedto music.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
So yeah, put that one on your list.
I've got a few of thosefollowing me around.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I know it sounds like a country song, right?
Yeah, so you know the Ghost ofMe.
So yeah, I'll write that nowyeah.
So, but it's such a cool.
Saguaro National Park does havetwo units and they are on the
east and the west side of thecity.
They also have in Tucson verynew and it's the only spot in
the world that I'm aware of andI wrote an article for Condé
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Nast Traveler on it.
It's the Astro Trail and itcame out this year and it is
such a cool thing that they'veconnected the different spots
from observatories to includeplaces like Saguaro National
Park, which is an urban darkskies place.
It's one of the few in theworld.
It is an international dark skypark, but if you love
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stargazing, it's one of thespots to do that.
But I love this park because ofthe giant saguaros.
I mean, they are the giants ofthe Sonoran Desert, the cactus,
the cacti if you're talkingabout them, plural that just dot
the landscape and they're notthe only ones.
You know there's barrel cactusand the ball cactus and the
organ pipe cactus, you knowthere's just, there's a variety
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of them, but the big giantsaguaroas that are hundreds of
years old, you know they're justiconic and beautiful.
So it's a credible spot.
You know I have done severalyears in a row, kind of just
done a quick solo trip down toTucson just to get away, down to
Tucson, just to get away.
And there's something so healingand wonderful about that spot
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of just nourishing your soul andgiving you a little bit of of
just rejuvenates you and takesaway the holiday stress, um you
know you're in betweenThanksgiving and the Christmas
holidays.
So so it is such a beautifulpark.
There's tons of great hiking Ifyou're a cyclist, especially in
the East unit.
There is an incredible pavedloop if you're a road cyclist,
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and it's also a scenic drive forthose of us who aren't
necessarily.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I used to be a road cyclist back in the day.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Don't so much anymore , but it really is a mecca for
road cyclists.
But it's beautiful there and onthe West side there really is
incredible hiking.
Signal Hill is my favorite onthe west side.
It's very short.
I believe it's a half mileround trip.
It is so worth doing it, thoughit is in the west unit, or the
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west district is what they callit.
It is on the scenic drive butyou go up and you do the short
little.
You know quick little quarterof a mile hike up to the top and
you get up there and there'srock art everywhere and then
you're looking out over a sea ofsaguaros, and it's just what a
contrast.
Yeah, you know, I mean it's just.
It's like wow, I feel soblessed to stand here and see
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and tap into ancient societies,but also enjoy this phenomenal
landscape that is the AmericanSouthwest.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
And to do it in such an incredible city that has so
much history and culture.
And I could go on and on aboutwhy you should go to that
national park and also aboutTucson, but just put it on your
list.
And if you haven't thoughtabout going in December, by all
means do it.
If you go in December andpromise you it won't be your
last, I actually went and youguys will love this, because you
know I love a good road trip.
The reason I went the firsttime was because I was checking
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off all the national parkservice units that I'm doing,
but I was able to visit ninewithin three hours of Tucson,
nine different units withinthree.
Yeah, I wrote a huge article forAAA national on it.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
And there, so there's a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
there's a lot to do, Um, and surprisingly, in
Southern Arizona, you know, it'sjust incredible.
So so there you go, I'm takingyou from season of snow and
steam in Yellowstone to theseason of I don't know what
cacti splinter.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, that's right, samurai splinter, samurai,
that's good right, that's yourname in your article.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
There you go.
Well, we can use that in thepodcast.
Yeah, that's right.
Awesome, awesome, and we'llalso put in the show notes
referenced your guide and thingslike that, and, of course, all
of Jennifer's info will be inthe show notes.
Jennifer, do you want to justtell us real quick how people
can find you?
Sure.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Eas easiest is to hit me up on my website, that's
sweptawaytoday.
com.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Also, follow me on Instagram, tiktok, whatever, and
it's at Jennifer Broom traveland of course, it's Broom like a
sweep width with an E on theend Awesome Again, that will be
in our show notes.
You'll also find it on thesocials and we've been sharing
just some of the highlights thatJennifer has shared with us on
our socials, so we hope that youenjoy diving into that and
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checking out these sitesvisually there.
Jennifer, thank you so much.
We really, really appreciatehaving you.
Thank you for all yourexpertise and just your fun.
Personality and the way youdescribe things is so great and
rich and poetic and we just lovethat.
Thank you for this whole season, this whole year of national
parks that you've shared with us.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I've got some things to put on my bucket list.
Now, yeah, dang, for reals.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Because we are already in Texas.
Hopefully we can take ourlisteners to Big Bend with us
this year We'll have to see ifwe can get that worked out.
Hey, I'll meet you guys thereCome on baby All right, that'd
be super fun.
All Come on, baby.
All right, that'd be super fun,all right.
Well, we'll see you there or onthe next one.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
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national travel expert andexpert on the US Park National
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Thank you so much, jenniferBroom, for being with us.
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We are at TheROAMies, that'sT-H-E-R-O-A-M-I-E-S, and our
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At www.
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