Episode 751: That's Where the Buns Are

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tuning in for episode 751 of TheShining Wizards.
Tonight we got the debut. Of.
Juice Springsteen, who I'm goingto call Juice Robinson all show,
I can already tell for the Jukebox Juice box.
We Matt and I watched Slam Anniversary last night, if you
want to call it that. We got A www.e all sorts of

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wrestling, so let's just get into it with some wrestling
talk. And talk about wrestling.
Brundo A. Double T Doctor dunk.
Answered Kevin All. Right.
Do we? Do we want to say we want to get
a leg up on the competition? Let's cut that joke short right

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now. How you guys doing?
Doing all right? How are you?
I've seen better days, thank. You for.
Asking though. What the fuck?

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We're sorry, Kevin, How are? You I'm doing.
Great. Man, I'm doing.
Great. How are you?
We already covered that, Tony, how are you?
PGK my man. PT.
Keane It's nice to have Bundo back for two reasons.
A He did a great intro and he fucked.

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It up. So that was great.
And two, I don't have to write down fucking names of the show.
Very, very daunting. Ask last.
Week. Bundo.
Oh it's a blast. Love doing it every single week.
Even listening back last week, I'm thinking I was like, oh,
that would be a great fucking name over and over again.
You bet I'm doing I'm trying to do so many other things that I

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then they're like write it down,write it down, write it down.
So my notebook looks, you know, I have like all the information
for Gary Jay and then it says Grump or butter got an island I
can send them to like again. Julio's back, Julio.

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Welcome back, Mr. Julio. Buck's back.
No, no, no, no. No, no, no.
No, no. Holy shit.
Please leave Buck alone. Scott.
George is here. Always a pleasure.
Nice to see you, Scott. Hello, Lord Kev.

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Lord Kev's not here. He left a message at 635.
Come on, Lord. He's still here.
What do you mean? Is he?
I bet you, I bet you a. Fucking new shining Wizards pen.
That fucking Lord Kev doesn't even watch the fucking show.
New merch, you say? I got the new pens.
I got the new pens. The Lord to me the other day.

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Nice. You'll be going out to the the
street team. What are you guys going to call
them tonight? What are you going to?
What on the flattering name are you guys going to give them?
I would I say the street team, but you say what?
The slob Lins. What are you going to call them?
Awful thing. Are you going to call them?

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Hey, I said, I said that in confidence.
And you're right, Tony, that is cute.
It's a nice name. It's a nice.
Cum dumpsters. What are you going to call them?
I call them the street team. You guys call them goblins.
You call them knob gobblers. The ladies are doing the Lord's

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work out there. They talk about rusting fans
handing out shining Wizards merch and Tony's calling them
goblins. You want her to make fucking
jello? Like what are we doing?
What's what? Why are you conflating jello and
goblins? Right, there's always room for
jello. Because you passed the street
team, there's one more seat at the table right now.

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Well, Scott George reminding us,they're not street walkers
either. Well played, Sir.
Oh. My.
Goodness gracious. I'll tell you what, I'm really
annoyed because I got that little that little thing in the
corner here and it's telling me my my Internet is not good.
Oh, yeah, you're blurry already,dude.
I mean, I'm not really here for my looks.

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That's not true. You're a handsome girl.
Nobody's. Tuning.
In to look at me. That's bullshit.
If you're tuning in to see Matt,give us a hell yeah in the chat.
Oh, that rhymed. We write that down.
Is that too? Long.
Brenda, we missed you last week.Missed you guys too.

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Absolutely, that's why I was in the chat last week.
Holy shit. Did.
I have to ask before we bring inour guests, our, our new
segment, our new biweekly. Fuck I didn't realize he was
here. You.

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Didn't see him down there. You didn't see the juice coming.
I. Was laughing too hard.
Yeah, go. Ahead, Did we maybe make some
kind of fun gimmick for his segment?
I'll take that as a no, no, no, you know, HJC is the jerk off
hands. Kate's got a Kate's Corner.

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I think we got to get a flavor for what the show's going to be
like. Juice box might have to get some
juice box clip art, put some things up on the screen.
And I noticed he though he's always wearing the neon, so
maybe we got to get a little neon flare going for him.
Well, we'll do it up. Nice.
I think that's like a WCW hat. OK, then maybe we'll get a juice
box WCW looking kind of gimmick going.

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I trust you, Tony. Yeah, why not?
Flying vaginas for juice. Springsteen Fly.
I still trust you. The WCW logo you never heard it
was called flying vagina. Yeah, it's a pussy.
Little bit which one really Verylast one.
I'm not going to Google flying vaginas.

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Just put it in the search engine, see what pops.
Yeah, put down your voice. Computer.
Flying vagina. Yeah, there you go.
First thing. WCW used at least five different
versions of their logo in 1999. Oh, it's something else.
Hog Man and the flying vagina. What is this?
Are they going hog wild? Oh get your hog out 'cause I'm

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hog wild. Here we go.
It's a creature from Hawaiian mythology.
It's called the Kamapawa. It's a demigod associated with
fertility and agriculture. It's a hog man and a flying
vagina. We learned something new today
here that. We'll bring in juice at this
point. I just want you to know the top

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three search things When I put in WCW Flying Vagina 25 years
ago, WCW introduced a new logo that would be used to the
company's closure. Second article Rapist Thor
Rapist Thorid by a Flying vagina#3 The best and worst of WCW

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Monday Nitro from March 3rd, 1998.
Tropical comes in. It's no Hall Thor, but not bad.
Change this shit, what are we doing?
I got it. It's like a It's a Hawaiian
legend that a woman had a flyingvagina.

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Well, let's let's be honest, if vaginas were flying anywhere in
the world, probably be in a tropical locale like Hawaii.
Juice What's your experience with flying vaginas?
I can't say I've experienced anyflying.
I, I'm, I'm more partial to just, you know, sedentary or
just kind of hanging around where I need to go.
I don't need them flying around.It's It's hard enough to

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navigate as it is. Sedentary vaginas.
Capo is a Hawaiian goddess of fertility, sorcery and the dark
powers. She's believed to take any shape
that she pleases has the abilityof detaching her vagina from her
body. It is also believed female

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medium serving as a host to Capomust cover their genitals with a
tie leaf. They fail to do so.
The medium to be victims of having their vaginas ripped off.
The weird and the odd.com. Sorry, Juice.
Well, hello everybody. Juice.
Springsteen. 'S with us.

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How you guys doing? I mean, the last time I came in
here, it was pretty much the same type of vibe.
It was just like it's a free forall and that's why I like coming
in here. It's it's always a great time, a
great vibe. So I appreciate you guys
welcoming me in bi weekly. I think it's like what's up
bias? Yeah, I just don't.

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Know what the proper because I'man idiot.
So I don't know, like every two weeks we have a different
special segment right between the juice box and Kate's corner
and HJC with our guy Kyle from the apron bump.
So it's like, I guess it's like every month.
Something like that. So quad weekly, something you, I
don't know, we can come up with something fun for that, but.

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I mean, it's Buff Bagel ain't going to be able to do it.
Or Triple H. Kevin Nash.
Kevin Nash I got blocked on Twitter by Kevin Nash for a quad
joke so. Kyle checking in.
Juices by a lot of things, but weekly ain't one of them.

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There he is. Well, the Juice Box is Juice
Springsteen's podcast program, his brand, and you can find it
wherever you are listening to podcasts.
Just just search for the Juice Box.
And obviously, if you've been a fan of the Wizards, Juice has
joined us before. He is a connoisseur of all

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things WCW. And crazy enough, we find
ourselves in 2025 still talking about things related to WCW.
And I got to ask you, Juice, this Goldberg thing, right?
He get he, he gets the retirement.
He's the main event, a Saturday night's main event.
Brett Hart turns all the power off.
We don't get to see the end of his announcement, his speech.

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Well, then he goes on some MMA show with what, Ariel Helwani?
And he says he's fucking pissed.He's pissed about this.
Do you side with old Billy boy here, Juice?
Not particularly. And this is the guy who like my
dad and I got a photo with Goldberg and I say my dad

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meaning he just held me up whileGoldberg pulled up in his car
and got a photo with him. And then Goldberg's eyes are
closed in the photo. But I was thrilled.
My dad was thrilled. So so I huge Goldberg fan, I
mean, he's, you know, really took WCW to that next level.
But As for this, I was nervous that he would even make the
match happened. I can't believe they made it

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like 14 minutes. That was insane.
I think it's a little short sighted of Bill to assume that
WWE would have done everything and everything would have been
perfect. I mean, you know that NBC is not
like cable, like they're cuttingat whatever it it ended.
So you should have either known that going in or maybe he wasn't

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clued in or whatever. But I mean, you had all these
people walk out to the ring withyou like your son and the cat
and DDP was in the ring. You had Doug Dillinger.
It was really, really cool. And I'm glad that they went
above and beyond for him. And it does suck that it kind of
got cut off, but I mean. You.
Can't just have it all or assumeyou're going to get it all.

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You got a lot, you know, and be grateful that you even had this
little match moment in Atlanta and and how everything went
down. It could have gone a lot worse.
It really could have gone a lot worse.
And I think that he should just cut his losses.
And I'm sure we're going to heara lot more about it, you know,
in a few weeks whenever he can kind of be away away from there

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to be. And I'm sure they won't ask him
back to do another match. But it is what it is, man.
You know, WCW is always going totake the the L1 way or the
other. And Goldberg, you know it
happened again. It's not like, look, he, me and
Hansel, Kevin, I think we're in the same rowboat on this one.

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Like, we're not big. I'm not a big Goldberg guy.
And outside of like his initial run in WCW up until he gets
tasered and loses the title to Kevin Nash's Starcade, I can't
tell you anything else he did besides kill Bret Hart.
I don't know shit about his WWE run.
I hate it when he came back and he wrestled Brock.
I know Tony loves that, but like, I don't know, man.

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Like at some point the nostalgiaruns out for everybody, right?
Like, I'm tired of the nostalgia.
Like we're going to talk about it later tonight.
Like, I don't, it's 2025. I don't want to see the fucking
Dudleys and the Hardy Boys wrestle each other.
I'm not interested in that at all.
That makes me kind of nervous too because people were saying
that Devon did not look like he could do much the last time they

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saw him and I, I can't vouch forthat.
I didn't see anything. But I mean Bully and the Hardys.
I mean the Hardys were in that match last night, but it's not
like they're getting any younger.
They said that was their 18th ladder match together at some
.0. Hey and the craziest part is too
bad TNA and AE WS relationship ended how it did because you
could have Edge and Christian because they're about to be a

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team again and run TLC back again.
But I mean, good Lord, let's letEdge already blew out his knee.
Who knows what how this match with the Dudleys and Hardys is
going to go. So nostalgia can only go until
it can't, until the wrestlers physically can't.
So yeah, it's interesting though.
It's, it's just, it's so wild, like they get Goldberg shows up

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once a year. They put him in the main event,
a Saturday night's main event, like a marquee spot.
Like, I don't know man, I, I just, and like he's, he just
doesn't give a shit about the wrestling business, right?
His whole reason for coming backwas so his son can see him
wrestle. I get it right.
But at the same time, like you didn't really when, when WCW

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closed, you didn't have anythinggood to say about the wrestling
business, right? He ended up in WWE like 4 years
later. It didn't really work out great.
Then he had went back to shitting all over the wrestling
business. I, I don't know, like it's just
like, all right, Bill enough. Like you had you, you can't.
Like what? Did he want to retire as the

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fucking champion? I mean, he already got a couple
of runs like that and people panned that him versus Bray
Wyatt. And you know, the the that that
second, the first Lesnar match or like the first Lesnar match
of the return back in like 2016 when they just two minutes and
it was a squash that was great. It was unexpected and we didn't,
but we also didn't we didn't know what we were going to see.

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We weren't in this like malaise of Here comes Goldberg again
like that after the 2017 run where he mowed through Kevin
Owens. You know, then they had another
match, him and Lesnar Mania 33. So like, if it kind of ended
there, I think it probably wouldhave been fine.
But you know, wrestlers will never not take a deal if they

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want some money and there to be loves to do whatever they can to
build another show to cater to whoever is still watching or who
used to watch. And I mean it it of course
they're going to work together. Like I get it.
But it doesn't mean that the longer it goes on necessarily.
You should like at some point you got to both say maybe this
is not right. And 2025, man, considering it.

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July of 98 was when the biggest moment of Goldberg's career
happened. It's a little bit later than
that now, 27 years later and he's still expecting like
everything to be rolled out for him.
And like 98% of it was sorry it got cut off Bill, but you're,
you weren't a great promo to begin with.
So what are you talking about? That's a great point, Juice.

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That's a fantastic point. He wasn't.
He didn't talk for like a year and a half in WCW.
And now he wants all this mic time.
Our juice. You're really.
You're giving me some ammo? Eat a shit, Goldberg.
Eat a shit. They wanted his goodbye speech
to match his matches in and out 30 seconds.
Oh, I think his last the last match with Guther was come a

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combined in the amount of time of his last like career of
matches 14 minutes. I was looking at his cage match.
I have no memory of 2019 Goldberg where he wrestled
Undertaker in Saudi Arabia and then beat oh he was killed 2.
Minutes. Yeah, he doesn't have any.
Memory of? Yeah.
He doesn't have any memory of Undertaker either.

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Undertaker doesn't have memory of it either.
They all don't. Yeah, he dropped him on his
head. And then the the Ziegler match
was kind of a just a quick hotshot.
I was actually it was in Pittsburgh when Goldberg
returned, like I you kind of knew it was going to happen, but
it was still a quote surprise. And he came out to take out
Ziggler for some reason. And that was it was such a weird

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show that SummerSlam 19. It had Edge who did a spear
after being like away for a while and people like, wow,
maybe, maybe he can do this. And then of course he comes back
and rumble. But I know Trish had a match
with Charlotte. So that was a very unique The
Fiend debuted hell of a show, but Goldberger was not maybe not
the best part of that show. He.

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Never has been. He never will be.
That. Sounded like a Bret Hart quote.
Never will. He's, you know, he's yeah,
that's a good point. He's such a miserable piece of
shit. Like just such a miserable piece
of shit. And like you heard about him say
so many times, like it was aboutbeing in in Atlanta and being in
front of the fans in Atlanta andhaving the people he had all

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that like. You said.
And then he he gets cut on live TV and bitches about that.
Well, you have the people that you wanted to be right the fuck
in front of. They didn't cut your mic the TV
time and then they posted the motherfucker shut the.
Fuck up Bill next. Also I mean I will defend Bill

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here like WWE did him 0 favors and trying to run against AW all
out and running in Atlanta the same weekend the Beyoncé was
there. They tried to stuff everything
into one weekend and it's just like, I again, I get it and
they're going to make money, butthe Major League Baseball All
Star weekend was in Atlanta, so you had a shit load of people

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there. Beyoncé is there evolution
you're trying to run? Which I think Evolution and
Evolution was a great show, but I think it could have been the
week before on a Sunday by itself and would have been
looked at as even better of a show.
But when you're in the same weekend as all in, it's like,
damn, like I guess we, you know,we're we're eating as fans, but.
Wait a second. Wait a second, go ahead.

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Do we really believe that there's a big cross section of
Beyoncé and Bill Goldberg? Fucking fans.
No, but Jesus. Christ.
Evolution though. And Atlanta, right?
Atlanta is a pretty happening town, right?
And there's a lot to do. So when you you put it out there
to the people of Atlanta, do youwant to see fucking Beyoncé or

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Bill Goldberg wrestle? People are going to see fucking
Beyoncé or they're going to the baseball shit.
Did the show sell out? Which one?
Saturday night's main event. Yes.
Let's look. Probably close.
Dude, Beyoncé, they couldn't give tickets away up here.
I can guarantee you nobody was going to see her fucking sing

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her country. Album they cancelled her last
tour in Pittsburgh because it just doesn't hip hop does not
really work well and a big stadium here unfortunately, but
everywhere else like you. Know No Juice.
She was promoting her country album.
That's why nobody's going out tosee her.
Like in New York. Like in the shadows of Hot 97.

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Like, of course they were not. To see her but.
It was, it was country, Beyoncé.Nobody really, nobody gave a
shit. You know I.
Mean that's a fairpoint if people aren't tuned into it, if
you're not a real big fan of it,you probably won't will skip out
on it, especially if you saw herthe last time because she was
just on tour for Renaissance. So if you just saw her, it's
like, OK, maybe I don't mess with this specific album, so I'm

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just going to skip it. So I I see your point there for
sure. Mom, I don't want to go see Bill
Goldberg's last match can. You get me?
Tickets to go see Beyoncé sing country music.
Look, she was she had she was there for four nights at the
Mercedes-Benz Stadium. WWE came close to selling out
Saturday night's main event. They were 200 tickets short, but

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damn you Beyoncé. They pulled up 15,000 and the
only thing in turn if you GoogleBeyoncé Atlanta concert, the big
news from the weekend was apparently there was a Stampede
caused by an insect and 11 people were hurt following her
concert on Monday the 14th. That's funny because 11-11

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people were also hurt in the Bill Goldberg match.
Oh, you said Stampede. I thought Brett Hart was messing
with Beyoncé as well as Goldberg.
Thank you HK, that was good. I don't give a shit.
I just can't look in my mind. I can't go back to WWD.

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Didn't do him any favors. Fucking Beyoncé was in town.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Wants to see Beyoncé man God damn that WWD.
I think that that's more of a more of a conflicting issue
whenever it's evolution on Sunday running head to But on

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Saturday, I don't think it really mattered at all.
How could you not go to evolution on the flying vaginas?
Multiple nights were sold out atthe Mercedes-Benz Stadium for
Beyoncé. No, no, I'm not going to let you
motherfuckers try and make me look like an idiot.
I got information here. You might 71,000 people.

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You might have information, but I don't know if you have a good
Internet connection. I mean for God's sakes, Bill
Goldberg couldn't fill out the fucking stadium last time when
he won the title, am I wrong? And they gave that match away
for free. This cock sucker is on here
going. Why did they put this match on

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pay-per-view? That would have been awesome.
You know why? Because you're fucking wrestling
in front of 40,000 people on national television, so who
gives a shit? I guarantee you nobody's buying
a PLA because Goldberg's last match is happening.
And I bet WCW was trying to fuckthem too in 98 because they
probably run in Atlanta while there was at least a Loeb
concert down the street that wascock suckers.

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And they didn't put that on pay-per-view either.
It was Lisa Loeb cock sucker. I like the I like the juice.
Box This is awesome. Yeah, too big.
The juice box probably hates this shit.
No, he loves this shit. That's why.
He's here. I'm entertained, guys.
I'm here for what I'm here for. But other than that, you know,
I'm just a fan. Now, this time of the year, it's

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the summer and I know I just kind of shit all over nostalgia,
but. Like.
Nothing beats like settling downon a nice warm summer night.
You crank the air up, maybe graba soda pop and some popcorn.
You fire up the Peacock and you go back to WCW and you watch
Bash at the Beach 30 years ago. Bash at the Beach 95.

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Is that your Bash at the Beach gear?
This fucking guy's awesome. This is the spirit from the
event there. There's also an orange, an
orange one, and I think if you see, it's got the names of
certain people that were there, Renegades featured on there.
But I think on the VHS they havethe same like design but they
cut out Renegade and put someoneelse on it because why the hell
would you put Renegade on? It from the bottom up.

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It's Big Bubba, Nasty Boys, Sting, Vader, Savage.
There you go. Big Bubba.
They replaced Renegade with Big Bubba on the VHS.
Wouldn't you after you saw him throw a couple drop kicks at
Paul Orndorf? Oh God, did you?
I don't know if you guys, it seemed I tweeted out like the
Cody dive through the table lastweek on Cena on Smackdown.

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It was people were like, well, some people were like, oh, it's
a frog splash, OK, you're out ofyour mind.
Second of all, just watch it again.
And then I put out a clip of Renegade winning the TV title
against Arne Anderson at GreaterAmerican Bash 95, and it's the
same exact splash from the top rope.
It's weird. If there's no movement, it does.
It's nothing. There's a lot to unpack from

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that. That you what you just said.
You said the Renegade beat ARN Anderson for those who aren't
familiar. ARN Anderson, the guy with the
gun and the Cody promos from AW1of the greatest ever lost to the
fucking Wish Ultimate Warrior. That's putting it nicely.
And The funny thing was, didn't earlier in the year, didn't ARN

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Anderson beat Hogan on Nitro? No, that was later in the year
because Nitro hadn't been a thing yet.
I guess Hogan. I guess he had to get his wind
back somehow. No, but also Bash 95 is that
weird one that they literally did on the fucking beach.
Like, yeah, yeah. It's crazy.
This is a bad idea. Well.

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Much like they did in 96, then 9798 and 99.
This show was pretty much for free if you were there.
Just like they did in Hog Wild and Road Wild is what I was
referencing. But now Wikipedia says 9500.
Listen to the commentary you'll hear over 100,000.
So who knows how many people arethere.

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But the the zoom out shot is pretty badass.
Just seeing a conglomeration of people around this little ring
literally on the beach There's like I don't think there's like
an awning. If there is I can't remember 1
but it's not as polished as theywould do anything in the future.
Like it's pretty insane that they had about the Ming wrestled

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with no shoes on this mat that had to have been, you know,
cooking his toes off. Who knows, But it was a very
interesting show. I mean, I interesting is a
generous word, but I the two matches that I like the most, of
course, Randy Savage Ric Flair lifeguard match, which is
practically just the lumberjack match, but let's spice it up.

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And they had the this is Baywatch they were filming some
stuff for. So you had a lot of Baywatch
people involved there and they're filming all that.
And then of course, the main event, the third of the three
between Hogan and Big Van Vader this time was a cage.
Hogan puts on the Vader headgearat one point, which is a fun
little thing. Vader tries what looks to be he

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thought for a moment maybe he wanted to try a shooting star
press off the off the ropes. But he ends up just kind of
landing awkwardly on his shoulder, which really causes an
injury and ends up having to have surgery when he goes to
WWF. And that ruins his whole
beginning of that run. So this match kind of it was a
butterfly effect with things that would happen down the line

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because even after this like Vader turns babyface.
He goes against Aaron and Flair in A2 on one at Clash of the
Champions, which is really, really fun to watch.
And he was supposed to be on thegood guy Hogan team at Fall
Brawl, but he left, he went AWOL.
They got Luger in that. Everything changed there.
Vader gets surgery. His run in WWF is kind of skewed
from the beginning and off to the races.

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But his bash to the beach show is just.
I just like seeing them in a unique element like those Rd.
wild shows and someone you guys mentioned hog wild earlier.
I'm not sure if you directly were referencing the
pay-per-view or not but the sentiment was there, at least
for me because that's what I gravitate towards first when I
hear hog wild. But the do that with what you
want. But those shows were always,

(30:37):
always really cool to me. Like I love just bikers coming
up. I mean, outside of the blatant
racism towards some of the some of the wrestlers, I thought it
was cool. You know, they're revving up
their engines. It's a unique venue.
The the skies are always looked awesome.
It never rained. Like they got really lucky.
So just unique shows that WCW ran like the spring break shows

(30:57):
too. Like those are really cool shows
that I wish more companies couldtry it.
I know a couple of indie shows ran out of the Mall of America
again. AEW has done some unique venues
as well, especially with like Daly's plays like a lot of cool
venues but I mean nothing tops literally being on the beach for
Bash at the Beach. Like you couldn't, you couldn't

(31:18):
make it any cooler than that andit was very hot.
I would wager it's Huntington Beach, CA for those of you
playing at home. Juice, you as a as a bit of a
WCW historian, a bit you you youlike, you like that venue on the
beach, But MTV did a WCW show ona Snow Hill.
Yeah. You tell me which, which, which

(31:39):
one is better? Because I'm going.
I think I got to go Snow Hill, right?
I like the snow one as well I think.
Is there not a third one that's unrelated to those?
That it rained all day and it's like outside and all the
wrestlers are trying to not slipand fall in the ring.
That I might have been another MTV thing that they did, but it

(31:59):
was like real shitty and it was raining and everybody was just
trying not to get killed on the mat so.
Well, maybe. Maybe.
That was at least. WCWMTV Pain in the Rain.
It was on YouTube. There you go.
It's like they knew. I remember I think Public Enemy
was involved in that show. Weren't they?
Yes, Yes. And one of those shows had like

(32:22):
a tournament where like people would vote to see who would go
to the next round and like they just kind of worked it and no
one wanted to be there. I just again, LOLWCW like things
that they this will be fun and then it just doesn't work.
We'll work with MTV and it doesn't pan out like.
High voltage was representing Will Smith, just so you know.

(32:43):
That's what it was. It was wrestlers representing
like musicians, so. Yeah, high voltage against the
Public Enemy. The ring is soaking wet.
The whole crowd has fucking umbrellas.
The camera guys are in rain jackets.
Oh, this is. I've never seen this.
I must watch this. Oh my God.
Disaster. It's a disaster.

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I'm looking at who represented who.
Kidman representing salt and pepper.
You know 'cause Madonna represented by Ultimo Dragon.
Brad Armstrong represented Metallica.
Barry Darso representing Run DMCthat checks out.
R for repo man I guess. DDP.

(33:28):
Represented Van Halen. All right, that makes.
But why not? Van Hammer Could have been.
Van Hammer and DDP, yeah, No man, they missed the
opportunity. Van Hammer's on the books
forever in WCW, which is crazy. They're still paying them.
Yeah, like Bobby Bonilla. Yep.
There's also in a few other books.

(33:49):
Yeah, he is. Who do Macho Man represent?
They all come out wearing baseball hats because it's
fucking Mike Turner. Oh, he's not representing.
He's representing the NWO. Oh well, I was there too, and I

(34:09):
was also representing the NWO. Who's representing the West TX
rednecks? I don't know if. 98 I don't know
if they were there yet. I think, yeah, I think that was
99, but that they should have been all in on that.
Hugh Morris and Jimmy Hart, representing David Lee Roth.
Oh yeah. Hey, that's a great circle back

(34:31):
to Goldberg. You know, I was the first person
he beat. They didn't even know what to
call Bill Goldberg at the time. He beat you, Morris.
I represented by David Bowie, who was sick boy is.
That the only tournament he was ever in, Yeah.
He fell I'll shortly after the show.

(34:53):
Arsene Daly is doing like the gimmicks here.
He's doing the interviews. Of course he was.
He was TRL at that point. That's just crazy.
Like you'd think that they it's just like they get a great
opportunity to be with MTV at the height of its powers and it
rains. Like they couldn't just couldn't
just have one nice great show, MTV, great promotion, everything
works out and it's a downpour and they still went with the

(35:15):
show. Like they they couldn't have
rescheduled it. Oh, and the tournament is all
these guys are representing these bands, right?
And then they're having the fanscall and vote.
So like after the DDP match, DDPwrestled Hugh Morris.
Right now we're having Van Halenversus David Lee Roth.

(35:37):
The fans are voting for music videos.
And it's not even the good Van Halen.
It's Gary Sharon Van Halen. So what happens?
98 then yeah. So if the musicians win, then
the wrestler loses. Like I have no idea.
I don't know, Are MTV voters breaking kayfabe?
Like what? Like I don't understand.

(36:01):
I think this is the perfect timefor this one.
So, so you're Speaking of like WCWMTV, they're paired up, they
have this perfect situation. It rains.
Yeah. TNA Slammiversary, they get
paired up with AJ Styles. I had goosebumps just as soon as

(36:24):
the song hit because I I wanted it to happen.
And I know AJ said on Chris Van Vleet, like he doesn't really
like the song, but to me, I'm like, I think he probably does
hate the song, but he has to know.
And people had to have told him if that song hits and this, this
crowd's going to go unhinged. And they started singing that
song and he was like, so about it, like you just invested in

(36:47):
it. And it was a great little
moment. And I like that there wasn't a
match yet. I kind of wanted it.
If he was going to have one match in TNA, I wanted it to be
at Bound For Glory, because that's your biggest show.
That's that's the one you, you get up, you know, get to the,
let's tell you that at WrestleMania, like you, you
promote everything to get there.And I know this anniversary is
kind of similar in that realm, but it's more of just like a

(37:10):
nice, you know, anniversary show.
It's not necessarily their biggest show that they want to
put on. So man, I was just really cool
to see, especially I, I rememberbeing in middle school watching
on FSN the the they had the timerunning down at like on the on
the little ticker there for the for the matches, probably O 4 O

(37:32):
5:00-ish. And I was like, what the hell is
this wrestling at 3:30 in the afternoon?
And it was TNA and you know, IO5to O9 TNA is just some of the
best wrestling AJ and all those guys, the X division.
I mean, they they kind of ran itall down in his promo last
night. But you know, we we talked about
the Dudleys and the Hardee's andhow we, you know, I'm OK with

(37:56):
never seeing that again, Although it's nice if this is
it, let's make this it then I don't want to see any more after
this. But with AJ Styles, the Sky's
the limit, man. Like this is he's TNA.
He didn't go to WWE for the longest time.
He was like the Sting, you know,of I'm just going to do whatever
I want to do wherever I can. And I know WWE would take me if

(38:17):
they wanted, but he never neededto do it.
And then he did. And now he's, you know, an Uber,
you know, legend at this stage. But I just hope that they paid
off with something awesome. I have no doubt that they will.
And I'm also hopeful that they pull off a what we got Comic Con
this week. So maybe there's going to be a
TNA line of figures specificallywithin the WB realm because they

(38:38):
have, you know, they have abyss.You could do that.
You have AJ Styles, you got you have people that you could make
a four figure, just one set of like a legends live of TNA guys.
So I I was all in for the nostalgia, man.
It was it was great last night. I was hoping they would like,
you know, put them in the Hall of Fame or something.
I mean, Leon Slater being as exciting as he was was cool.

(38:59):
But I don't know. I mean, it moved.
It moved like 1500 tickets. People bought tickets to be
there, but I don't know. It seemed I was expecting more.
I thought they would announce him as like a going into the
Hall of Fame and he just kind ofcame out with that crazy, crazy,
awesome looking hair and put over the X Division and Leon

(39:19):
Slater and called it I think. I think there'll be more though.
And there is actually a if you see the one video they put out
and Leon Slater reposted it of he like starts jumping up and
down in the ring as soon as the music hits because he not sure
if he knew AJ was coming out at that moment or that the song was
going to hit. But he I'm like, that's what
have been. I would have been me.
I would have been going crazy like I can't.
It's AJ Styles. Like this is the guy you grew up

(39:41):
with and now he's 20 some years later, he's still he's just as
good he is that he is not Goldberg and he won't be
Goldberg even when he's 58. Like it, it's such a unique
seeing the old the guys from then be older now is so
different from the guys from the80s and 90s.
I mean hell, 90% of them aren't even here anymore, so it was
awesome to see that nostalgia hit from 2004.

(40:04):
It was awesome to have the JuiceBox as part of the Shining
Wizard Wrestling podcast. I look forward to many more of
these because it's always fun toreach back and look you.
I'm very excited about this. WW Rain and the pain or whatever
the fuck. I cannot wait to watch this.
Later I will watch all. 50 minutes of it.
Hell yeah. Oh, that'll be a It might be a

(40:26):
quick 50 minutes because the wrestling will be so good I'm
sure you won't be able to turn it off.
I'm more interested in the the commercials in the middle and
the voting. That's probably more intrigued
because if they're just punchingand kicking because they're, you
know, slippery mat, can't imagine they didn't want to take
any big bumps there. But yeah, I mean, I appreciate

(40:47):
you guys even having me on the first time, let alone welcoming
me in to have my own little segment here and with, with Kate
and and Kyle, I mean, great, great company to be with.
And you, you guys as well. It's always, it's always a joy
to see you guys. Just anytime you guys have your
show, it's always great camaraderie.
And clearly I, you know, I, I sought out to get more of it.

(41:09):
So I really appreciate you guys reaching out and having me on.
We'll reach. We'll reach.
Around to give you more hey? There's plenty more juice to
squeeze, brother. Where?
Where? So the Juice Box is available
wherever you get your podcasts. What's next on the What's up on
in store for the next Juice Box episode?

(41:31):
I think we're just going to recap a lot of what just
happened this past week. Last week I came back from all
in and I had an interview with Adrian Hernandez, who does
unlikely. It's a, you know, interview show
and he he he's at scrums and stuff.
So I tapped in to get his insight on on having a
broadcasting career, interviewing Steve Austin a

(41:51):
couple of times. But this is this week's going to
be more of a regular episode where we cover probably what I
everything that just happened the last two weeks, which was a
whole hell of a lot in regards to TNAA www.e so much shit going
on. So yeah, just search the juice
box with Juice Springsteen and you'll find me.
And the logo's right here at Juicystein on Twitter and I'll

(42:12):
talk to you about WCW as long asI'm awake, so.
All time for that juice. Yes, time for that.
We appreciate you Juice. We will talk soon and if you
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juice box. It is highly recommended.
Great podcast, definitely fun tolisten to and the different,

(42:33):
different viewpoint than the Wizard.
So that's always fun when you get to hear people with
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weeks. Who knows what WCW legend will
be in the news in six weeks? You never know.
That's right, anything can happen in the World Wrestling
Federation. Thanks.

(42:56):
Juice, enjoy the rest of your night.
See you guys have fun brother. Thanks.
Juice. Thank you.
Juice. Is my Internet really that bad?
Yeah, man. Seems like it just got better.
Maybe it was the juice. No, it wasn't the juice.
Don't say. That.
Maybe it was the juice. Oh, come on.
Could have been the juice. I wish my Internet was bad last

(43:18):
night. You know, it's it actually is.
Maybe it's, maybe it is you. Can Brendo can you handle a
little TNA slammiversary while Ireset my Internet?
Yeah, I could do that. It was fucking dog shit.
All right, so we'll move on to AEW.

(43:40):
Yeah, good thing that was quick.We got to cover New Japan.
You know what? You shithead me.
Yeah. Go fuck yourself.
Let me try and fix this shit. I'll be back.
Yes, please do. Go take a shit.
Go eat a shit you. Could do both.

(44:02):
But yeah, like he was saying, we, I was over at Matt's last
night, We were watching TNA Cinemiversary.
We're all excited. This should be Mike Santana's
night. We got, you know, promotional
matches we look forward to and then they just, they shit the
bed like horribly. When you say that run the fly,

(44:22):
how like, how so? How so is it?
Is it 'cause I, I, I see this and I didn't, I didn't see the
event right, Didn't watch the event, but it seems like
everybody is just pissed off with the outcome.
And sometimes when you hear that, it's just people going,
oh, this suck, this is shit because what I wanted to happen
didn't happen. Is that one of the is this one

(44:43):
of those cases or was the wrestling bad?
Was this was the stories bad or was it purely just people wanted
something else to happen? They didn't get it.
I think it was all of the above.Like there was a lot of sloppy
stuff especially on the pre show.
Like they they had the Enzo group come out and Enzo did his

(45:04):
entrance and I don't know it didn't hit like it used to.
Maybe because his entrance took 4 minutes now with since he's
doing the whole thing. Now you watch yourself, because
I watched that and I enjoyed it thoroughly.
Did you? I did.
I don't know. Yeah, I.
I didn't see the whole thing butI saw when he was introduced in
Zillafa 2 I thought he did a fucking great job.

(45:25):
I don't know, It didn't, it didn't hit for me, but you know,
I'm one person here trying to think the other one, the the
opening women's tag match was just Slop City, except for, you
know, a couple of nice leg kicksor what not.
The I mean, there was there was some good stuff like Mustafa Lee

(45:46):
and Cedric was really good. Moose and Lee on Slater was good
but I feel like they went too long.
Like how long they go? Like 4 minutes.
It felt like it. They had like a good false
finish at one point and it felt like that was like the perfect

(46:07):
spot to end and then it didn't and then it ended like a little
later. OK.
Yeah, I'm trying to find it now.I didn't.
I did not expect the Hardys to be TNA tag team champions again.
And I. Did you see the way that match
ended? I didn't see the way that it

(46:29):
ended, but I did see that dip shit nut himself on the ladder.
God that guy sucks. I can't.
Oh my God, flop dollar. He's never having kids.
I that guy. He sucks so fucking hard and
then to see him nut himself on the ladder made me so fucking
fuck that guy. God, yeah, no.
Instead of the ladder match ending with a ladder, they had

(46:52):
Jeff Hardy in the entrance way at one point and he gets his
fucking. I don't even remember how he got
it. He got something like button or
whatever and he hits it and a fucking like helicopter ladder
falls from the ceiling next to the belt and he ends up climbing
that. Oh nice, it was.
It was strange even though there's like 8 ladders you could

(47:12):
easily. Got to get the helicopter
ladder, That's better, Jersey Kyle Jesse says to someone who
doesn't watch a lot of wrestling.
The camera work was atrocious. Yes, they were missing shit left
and right. They were just it.
It felt like Kevin Dunn on KevinDunn's first day as camera work,
where it was like shaky and just.

(47:34):
It was shit. Yeah, that sounds unfortunate
from the fly. It's unfortunate, yeah.
What was the best part? Give me.
The good still, what was that? Give me the Give me the What
made you hard watching this show?
I mean, Cedric and Mustafa was really good.
Was pretty hard. Yeah, yeah.
The fact that Indy won. I'm a big indie Hartwell fan so

(47:56):
I was happy she beat Tessa but other than that I mean not much.
And then the trick, trick winning just felt like it blew
all the sales water out of the sales or.
Air I I was gonna. Say, why is your water in the
sales? Brendo Fly, I couldn't miss you.
Because it's fucking TNA and nothing makes sense.
Yep. Yeah, it really didn't.

(48:17):
I don't know how much you covered, Brendo.
Thank you for letting me reset my Internet, fellas.
The pre show was fucking hard. Did you talk about the pre show?
Yeah, I mentioned some of the pre show.
Did you mention my guy Snake? No, I didn't go for it.
It's fucking the the pre show panel is Gia Miller.
She's like the woman, the announcer lady right?

(48:40):
Tommy Dreamer, Dave Lagreca and Snake Sabo from Skid Row.
How did how how they fucking paraded out old No, you didn't
answer the question. How how what how did Snake Sable

(49:00):
get a job doing pre show becausehe's friends with Dave Lagreca
and they wheeled out old fuckingunpredictable Johnny Ron's.
Oh no shit. Really.
Yeah, he was in The Who was somebody was threatening him in
the crowd. I can't remember.
Who? JC Jane.
Because he's Masha trained. He was.

(49:21):
He trained Masha. OK.
Slam of it. So the old Johnny Rods came out.
Yeah, we had all a ton of great celebrities like Johnny Damon
and that guy from Celebrity WifeSwap.
No, he was from 90 Day Fiance. 90 day fiance.
Sorry, I don't remember my shitty wife.

(49:44):
Wait, which guy? The guy with no neck?
No, no, no, you know he's some douche bag.
He had like a fucking Von Dutch T-shirt on.
Like that's a real fucking thingstill.
That shitty faux hawk. Fuck anybody that can still grow

(50:04):
hair and puts your fucking hair like that.
That guy can eat a shit. Just going to need you to
isolate. I'll fuck anybody.
Fuck yeah. But yeah, the women's tag match
was horrendous on the pre show. It was not good.

(50:28):
I'm sure Brendo said the Enzo's promo was longer than the match.
It certainly was. Oh, it wasn't what I watched it.
You watched his. His promo went off forever.
Nah, no longer than the match. The match was 3 minutes long.
Nah. Yeah.

(50:49):
Are you arguing with time? I've got, yeah, I've got cage
match open right now. I didn't.
I didn't see it that way. You didn't see it at all then?
No, I told you I watched it. I didn't see it that way.
The promo or the match? Both eat defeat.
It's over. Great promo.
Great promo. I'm a big Enzo guy, man.

(51:10):
I get a great. Even I don't know what what is
like. What's it called?
4th Rope Promotions. Yeah, I'm not sure what that is
either. He's got like the fucking
bootleg $1,000,000 belt. Fucking yeah.
Zillow Fat 2's got a championship from.
From where? Yeah, and that kids a Jackass
from what I understand. Josh Bishop's looking like Sid's
illegitimate son. But Josh Bishop is a guy we've

(51:34):
been wanting them to sign for a long time.
He's he's got a future. That made me laugh my balls off
when he he looks like Sid, doesn't he?
Yeah, he does. And he's like, you know, sit
from Toy Story. I fucking lost it and laughing.
I thought they were the rope Breakers and then they kept
calling them the 4th rope champion or some shit.

(51:56):
Like what the fuck was it they were the they were called the
rope Breakers but then they werefrom 4th rope promotions.
What is fourth rope? Are they boxers?
4th. Like I don't understand what the
4th rope is like the rope where you hang yourself.
Yep. They should have.

(52:18):
Let's see 4th rope.com it is. Heels, Heels have eyes.
Pray for Paris, June 27th. It's a show, I guess like the
hills have eyes, like the Sound of Music.
Or is that the hills are alive the.
Heels are alive with the Sound of Music.

(52:40):
It is. Hip hop?
Run to the heels. There's hip hop, wrestling, art
and culture. Oh, is there a consensual penis
there? What's better than 3 ropes?
4 if that makes sense, yeah. No.
Why? I think they only need one.

(53:03):
If you. Have and now you got an extra.
Rope. What are you?
Extra rope for. The base one breaks, no?
No, no, no. The the the assumption is that
you have 4 ropes going at the same time.
OK, so you're going to have to pack.
Five. No, because none of this makes
sense anyway. Yeah, but. 4 is 1 better Tony?

(53:23):
1. One better than what?
Yeah. Then three.
Yeah, but like what? That's enough.
That's like, Tony, I think, can attest to this because he wasn't
an independent pro wrestler for a short spell, like, and you as
an independent pro wrestling manager, like, would it be
difficult to work in a ring withfour sets of ropes like 1234?

(53:46):
That'd be weird. No, the ropes would either have
to be really, really high or they'd be really, really close
to each other. Like, where are you putting
another set of ropes? The the the two metal ropes
would would have to fill in the gap between the top and the
bottom, which would make like shit cannon.
Somebody threw the ropes impossible trying to get in the
ring. Like fucked up.
Like, yeah, it throws everythingoff.
Yeah. There'd be a learning curve.

(54:09):
There would be. I don't think you can learn from
that. Yeah, but I don't.
Think about this though, Tony running the ropes.
Running the ropes gets a little easier, doesn't it?
I don't think so because you wouldn't have like, like when
you hit the no, I'm going to sayno on that because you're going
to have two ropes on your chest.It's going to be uncomfortable.

(54:30):
OK. Because that second rope is
going to be down by your ass. Gives you like a nice little
bounce. Yeah.
No, no doing 61 nines, no fucking plaunches through the
ropes. Well, see, they're they're OK
now you're selling me. Yeah.
But you get a lot more Andre spots where you get stuck in the
ropes. Maybe no, because then you'll be

(54:50):
all the way up in the air like it'll be Andre on his feet like
that. That doesn't work, because if
Andre's on his feet, he could just get the boot up and fucking
save himself. I mean, zombie, I know I'm going
to say no, I don't like, hey, 4th rope, how you doing?
What? Was that?

(55:17):
The thing he does? He dances.
There it is. I think we got a new open.
Oh boy, yeah, it was, you know, I Ant Ant money came by.
He was, he watched the show withus.
He had a lot of questions and I couldn't answer because I don't

(55:39):
want fucking DNA on the regular.This was supposed to be like a
big show for them, man. They left a lot like I don't.
Under. If anyone thought the TNAWWE
relationship was going to be 5050, boy were you proved wrong
last night when JC Jane pinned Masha Slamovich because that was

(56:05):
horseshit booking like I. Don't but but so from the same
standpoint we had talked about this a couple weeks ago having
the TNA belt on NXT on the national show right now you have
that same you still have that plus yet now have the ladies
belt being featured on you know what I mean like right, but if

(56:27):
you is it really the worst thingand.
Masha had won both titles. You would have featured Masha on
NXT. And I'm sure we'll see Masha on
NXT. I mean, she was there last week,
right? I don't know.
It's just like, it's like a so now your two main titles are
held by NXT people. Yeah, that'll happen.
This is like when New Japan going to Japan for this when New

(56:51):
Japan invaded NOAA, except like 10 times when New Japan guys
just went over there and won every single Noah belt.
I don't, I just, I don't know, like, and maybe this is the
story they're telling because during the main event, Frankie
Kazarian got involved and Tom Hannifin, he threw a fucking
fit. We're trying to get the belt

(57:11):
back. I don't, I just feel like it's a
like the ladder match was decent.
You know, there was a goofy spotwhere they they've ruined all
the ladders. And then Jeff Hardy like goes to
some like dude, he's got a little box and he presses a
button and the fucking air 18 fucking ladder comes down from
the ceiling and that's what he uses to get the fucking belts.

(57:32):
Like that was goofy. The X Division match was good.
Leon Slater winning was awesome,but you got like, you go into
the main event and the place is going nuts for fucking Santana.
Man, he was the most popular guyon that show, except maybe AJ
Styles. But yeah, it's like saying.

(57:54):
I don't know. And like to, I think Kate and
Antmoney's point, like they did put a lot of emphasis on
focusing on like New York, but they were in Long Island.
So like, and I know nothing good.
Is it New York? What?
Is it Long Island in New York? Yeah, but like, they were like,

(58:15):
oh, the like, the like they madelike a Notorious BIG reference.
Like he's not from Long Island. He's from, like, the Bronx and
Brooklyn. Like, those are completely
different boroughs. Like Long Island's shit.
I'm sorry. If you're from Long Island, it's
shit. Nothing good has ever come out
of Long Island. Fucking Matt Cardona.
The only one who's. From Long Island, was in a

(58:35):
fucking throwaway 8 man match against fucking Dark State.
At least he won. That's fair.
I know he. Yes, I see you pondering HK.
What? Are we?
I'm very confused by this. They made a big deal about them
being in New York and then you're cutting new like Long

(58:59):
Island up from. Like a red headed stepchild of
New York though. Like when?
Nope. So it's New York boroughs.
When you represent a borough like you're representing, you're
not representing New York. Like Santana was representing
the Bronx. So that's the New York Yankees,
that's the Bronx boogie down Bronx.
Brooklyn is a completely different thing when you Rep

(59:21):
Brooklyn, right, Long Island, Nobody raps like Long Island.
Like when you talk about hockey,it's the New York Rangers, the
New York team, and you got this redheaded stepchild.
Long Island, the fucking rain. The New York Islanders, they're
shit. They're out in the island.
Nobody cares. To be fair, they haven't had a

(59:41):
good team in 30. Years.
Nobody like cares. Nobody cares about Long Island,
but it's still New York. Yeah, but it's it's man, you
just got a beef here to understand it.
Tony, my guy would be back me upon this.
Yeah, I don't. I don't know where your guy is.
I. Don't know where he went either.

(01:00:02):
He probably fucking want to go hang himself after listen to us
talk about fucking anniversary. Maybe he.
Got horny by the way too. What about home tying hometown
guy man fucking? You know what that was the
highlight of the pre show HK. If you got a chance, search his
theme song Hometown Guy Man or Hometown Guy Man's theme.

(01:00:27):
Hometown guy, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was amazing. That's what.
They call, Yeah, he comes out inan Islander jersey.
If he's in fucking Boston, he would probably have a Red Sox
jersey on. It's basically like a version of
the Yellow Dog. Cody Diener lost the fucking

(01:00:51):
loser leave tie town match so now he comes out as hometown guy
man. All right.
Yep, exactly. So it's always a mess, is what
you're saying. It was just.
Yes, the whole. Show, yeah.
I was like, I've come on the show before and been like, oh,
TNA like sneaky good. And man, this felt like a mess

(01:01:14):
for me. Like I was.
They could have saved it if theyput Santana over.
But the trick Williams faking the injury bullshit, like, I get
it, it's a heel and we're going to lead to Bound for Glory, I
guess. What?
I don't give a shit about the Dudley's against the Hardy Boys
in 2025. Yeah, I don't give a shit.
I was super surprised that BullyRay could do a promo while

(01:01:36):
sucking his own Dick. It was wild.
He's really good at that. Yeah, look, I like that, the
crowd chanted. Where is Devon?
He's coming. He's like shut up Dick head.
Yeah, and, and Tony shared something with our group text
and he's not. I would, you know, some IVP
videos went on social media lastnight and was kind of like the

(01:01:58):
Dudley boys were elevated by Christian and Edge and the
Hardys. They're nothing more than the
Bushwhackers. That's that's horseshit.
I mean the the comp to the Bushwackers was probably a bad
choice, but I don't think the Dudley boys are a great tag
team. I, I all three of them benefited
from having each other there. Yeah.
But 100% when the when the HardyBoys match happened, yeah, when

(01:02:23):
the Hardy Boys match happened, you know, the Dudleys are what,
like 3-4 months into WE at that point?
It's not like they were like floundering like they've been
there a year and didn't do shit,but all three teams benefited
from working with each other foryears.
Yep. 100. Percent, yeah.
Look, I Tony even said they're in the Hall of Fame.

(01:02:44):
I get it. Yep.
What? The fuck was that?
It's me coming back. I'm sorry.
Yeah, on who's back? Everybody's back.
That's the 4th rope. IVP video said now we have to

(01:03:11):
listen to Bubba pretend he's an all time legend and I hate it
here. He's not, but he's not a legend.
Like I'm over fucking Bully Ray and I'm over the Dudleys.
I don't think they're a great tag team.
I would say from after WrestleMania X7 to them being
benched for being stale, the Dudleys have more in common with
the Bushwhackers than people want to admit.

(01:03:34):
Also here's another one. This IVP is fucking amazing with
this shit. Do I?
Also how do I see the same people downplaying AW as the
minor leagues talking about ECW like it was this giant thing in
real time when the biggest housethey ever drew was 6000 people
and their biggest pay-per-view is 99,000.

(01:03:55):
He ain't wrong. He's not.
People put on these fucking rosecolored goggles.
I'm over the nostalgia. Like I think I've reached the
point and I, we, I said it with you, like how many fucking
people have to have a God damn retirement match?
Like Booker T said it the other day, like he's done.
He's not having it. He doesn't need this grandiose

(01:04:15):
send off. Like check your fucking ego.
You did what you did. You left your mark.
Not everybody has to have this fucking farewell.
Not everybody is the greatest atfucking wrestling.
You're not all Goats. There's John Cena and Randy
Orton and then that's it, right?I don't think anybody else in

(01:04:36):
the WWE deserves a fucking send off.
Not even Phillip. Not even.
Phillip, you don't. Think Roman Reigns would deserve
a send off? He's not there yet.
He gets a send off every year every time he leaves not.
Really. Everybody's not an innovator.
Everybody's not a legend. We throw these words around so

(01:04:58):
fucking freely and then we got to listen to fucking Bully Ray
Bubba Dudley suck his own Dick for the last 15 years.
It's a bunch of assholes who've get the table.
What's up? Be fucking you suck, you suck,
Aces and eights sucked, you sucksuck.

(01:05:20):
Can't believe I fucking agreed to put them in the Hall of Fame
first round. You talked me out of.
Who'd you talk me out of? You talked me out of somebody
fucking on my way. Brothers maybe?
Yeah, you fucking hand job. I really thought handsome Kevin
was frozen. He didn't move for a solid 22

(01:05:44):
seconds until he blinked. All of it like put together just
left me very unsatisfied last night.
Brendo you didn't bro stuff him.No, I was ready to go home.
Kate was between me and Brendo so.

(01:06:04):
The rotisserie is made the H formage.
Where was Ant money during all this?
Ant money was. Spent roasting.
He was sitting in my rank. Oh yeah, he was in mommy's chair
under the TV. He was content with where he
was. Did anybody use Mommy's growing
toilet? Whoever used the bathroom?

(01:06:26):
Did Kate get a little Christmas goose when she went in there?
You would have to ask her. Fly, fly, fly vagina.
Right in the poinsettia. Tropicale, Golden Gate, Kate.

(01:06:54):
I think we got a new name for the for the segment.
Never feel like. I was so.
Excited to watch this pay-per-view and like I'm never
off right. So Sunday night like and a bunch
of people came over and then I'mlike fucking Ant money's always
got to bust my fucking balls about it.

(01:07:16):
How much did you pay for this dog shit?
This? Did you tell him sorry?
AW, dog shit was last week the 81/2 hour show that I wasn't
around for. I mean, it was look Tony, this
was like meh TNA bad good. It's not because the pics were
fucking rough too. All right, tell us how we did.

(01:07:40):
We did horrendously, 02 and 7, two and seven.
Tony, Tony and HK went three andsix and I went four and five.
That's got to be a fucking record.
Yeah, we all. Picked Tessa to win, she didn't
win. We all picked Santana, he didn't
win. We all picked not the Hardy
Boys. I think HK took HK and someone

(01:08:05):
else took Moose. We all took the inspiration to
win the tag titles. Just a complete fucking just a
mess. A complete mess.
So what? Just when you thought Brendo was
pulling, he was pulling away. No, no, him and Tony are now all
tied up and I, with fucking three wins, I tied.

(01:08:34):
It I. Picked up a couple games and you
know HK is still right on my tail though.
But boy this was a rough one. This was a fuck.
Some of them took dark state. That was me.
I took them. No, I took dark state.
No, wait, did did you fuck this up?
No, I didn't fuck this up. Oh no, I didn't take dark state.

(01:08:56):
I took fucking. I took the fucking the Goombas
over there. Do you want me to read your
picks? I.
Mean please. Yeah, Oh yeah.
Read what I wrote. Read exactly what I wrote.
All right. You took real retard and the
douches that would be Enzo and company inspirers.
And because of the way you wroteit, every time I open it all the
eyes like like go like in a wave.

(01:09:20):
You weren't feeling anything formoose.
You just gave us moose System ofa downs.
I would assume you were just system of the downs.
Oh sorry, I'm assuming that was the system in Matt Cardona.
Tessa Mustafa, first ass Masha, Slam a bitch and Santana.

(01:09:42):
Yeah, they weren't that bad. The names.
Yeah. No, the picks were horrendous,
though. Well, I mean, you know, you did
one better. You did one better.
Relax. Oh, well, they across the board,
it was horrendous. All of us were bad.
Four and five. Who would ever thought four and
five was the fucking big winner of the day?
The shining Wizards picks. You know what's funny is.

(01:10:03):
Is I was checking in on the showas I was going to bed and I it
was probably only a maybe two matches in and like maybe the
main card hadn't started yet andI was like 2 for two and I was
like fuck yeah, this is an easy night.
What I. Thought.
Woke up and I was like wait, this isn't that can't be what
actually happened. So I'm like like cross
referencing results. To see.

(01:10:25):
And what was the other match? Fuck, Eric Young lost to some
fucking front row fan. What the?
Fuck a hometown guy or a hometown man.
The fuck is this? It's their version of Cody
Diener being the yellow dog. He lost the fucking loser leave
towns match so now he comes backin a mask as hometown man came

(01:10:46):
out with an Islanders jersey. It was probably the best thing
to go so. Everywhere he goes, he's got a
hometown there, yeah. Yeah.
Wait, this was on Long Island? Yes.
Yeah. Woof.
Tony, you were you what? OK.

(01:11:07):
HK did so IAA constant complaintI had too was you're a jerk off,
but you're going to back me on this, right?
During the show, they were making all these New York
references right about like Biggie and stuff.
But Biggie's not on Long Island and HK doesn't understand the
five boroughs here. So maybe you could help shed a
little light on this. Like when you represent the

(01:11:28):
Bronx, you represent the Bronx. You don't represent all of New
York. You don't represent fucking Long
Island. No, definitely not.
And and Biggie was Brooklyn. I mean, if you really want to
pick nits, Brooklyn and Queens are part of the island, which is
long, but they are not part of what is considered Long Island.
That's Nassau and Suffolk County, although all four of

(01:11:49):
those counties share the island.It's just Nassau and Suffolk,
that's Long Island. Nassau County is actually where
the arena is. Is it still fun?
I don't even know what it's called anymore.
UBS. That's right.
You thought it was USB last week.
Get ready to plug in. Fuck yeah.

(01:12:13):
So we're still we got some to where we're on the road to
SummerSlam. That'll be the next pay-per-view
we pick. We got I don't really know if
there's anything AW related we want to talk about.
I don't know if we need to to tojump into buffs one leg
situation. Well, he can't, but we got and
we got homework to do, so we canhop into that if you want.

(01:12:34):
Yeah, we're hop. We're hop along, Harry over
here. But I think we're going to, I
think we're going to pay some bills and take a little
commercial break. Yeah, I got to go.
I got to go check in on Golden Gate Kate and see how she's
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I would like to as well. I would like to as well.

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I, I, I swear to you, they're not married.
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Damn right all. Right, there's a lot of
excitement in the group. About that A.
Little bit. Were you guys happy to see the

(01:19:30):
Tribal Chief return? Yeah, but he don't like seeing
Punk yet. Why should he?
Like, would you do you like seeing punk?
I'm OK with Phil. Would you guys be buddies, like
in the real world? Yeah, I think so.
I'd have to kick his dog when I see it.
But you know, I mean, I don't like Larry either, but I would

(01:19:54):
never harm an animal. Larry's not an animal.
He's a beast. He's just an ugly dog.
He's a beast from another dimension and deserves to be
killed with fire. Wow, some kind of Hawaiian dog
or God or something like that? Hawaiian dog.

(01:20:16):
Write that one dog. Are you, are you guys, are you
starting to feel the percolations for Summer Slam
yet? Nope.
No, no. Yeah.
Nobody seems, I mean, John, look, the the, the Internet

(01:20:37):
wrestling community is going wild 'cause they think Cody
Rhodes is going to turn heel andside with The Rock at
SummerSlam. Did you see there was some shit
going around where like the Rocks watch was on Cody's wrists
or some shit? That's what the IWC is saying,
Tony. There's clues everywhere.

(01:20:58):
The sunglasses, the watch. Is this how we get face John
Cena? Does this mean Cody's going to
come to the ring with the fucking People's Championship?
Because he tried it on before and he liked it?
Am I wrong? Tell me what I'm telling.
Lies. It is.

(01:21:21):
It's it's interesting, it's interesting.
He put he they had their segmenton Smackdown and Cody put him
through the table and he signed his name because John Cena was
like, fuck you, you're going to wrestle me in fucking Paris.
Is this going to be like some Wally Carbo shit where he
reverses a decision? I don't know.

(01:21:43):
Well, you have to watch Smackdown this week, buddy.
But we're we're two weeks away from SummerSlam.
We're only two weeks out. Yeah.
Holy. Shit.
I would think I would be a little bit more excited at this
point. That's why I asked if you were
percolating. Yeah, I'm not escolating.
Most of the card is set. I mean, they don't say which
nights, what's going on? What?

(01:22:04):
What's on the card so far? What it hit me.
So you got John Cena, Cody Rhodes, Gunthersty and Punk,
Tiffany Stratton, Jade Cargill, Naomi EO, Skye Rio, Ripley,
Becky Lynch against Lyra, Valkaria, Solo and Jacob in a
cage, Mattel and Roxanne versus Charlotte and Alexa Bliss and

(01:22:31):
Randy Orton and Jelly Roll Except against Drew McIntyre and
Logan Paul. OK.
I might be percolating a little.Bit everything, a little bit
everything hosted by Cardi B. All right.
Well, I'll turn it down now. Yeah, a little bit.
Wait, you know, it's hard to be the is she?
Is she the wet ass pussy girl? Yeah, you know, like that.
Why she sure is. And that's that's a derogatory

(01:22:54):
term. We don't use that.
It's more like flop with her. You'd have to slam her down and
flower. Should be WAP too.
Whatever if I want to watch themwith that.
Blumber and they went out to the.
Body. I agree, Ma.
Would it be better if it was a flying wet ass pussy?
A flop. That sounds like something out

(01:23:16):
of Batman 66. Can we write down flop with an
exclamation point? We sure can.
Fucking flop flop. If we had a Wikipedia page, that
would go in the definition section.
Nelly Big letters, big letters big.

(01:23:37):
Letters and and how does the tribal chief fit in the summer?
Slam him and brown breaker. Does he sneak into Sam Punkin
Gunther somehow? I think so.
I think I am doubling down on what I said last week.
I think the Rollins thing is a work and I think he cashes in,

(01:23:59):
fucks Punk out of the title and pins Gunther and walks out
SummerSlam the champion. Could be, could be.
You know, they never did. I think they didn't do Reigns
and Gunther, did they? I don't think so 'cause rain.
I mean, Gunther was another champion pretty much the whole

(01:24:23):
time. Reigns was champ like the UK
champ. Didn't do some stupid Survivor
Series match. No, Cody wrestled Gunther at the
fucking greatest of all time shit in Saudi Arabia.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing that.
I could see that being good, yeah.

(01:24:45):
Who's Callie Armstrong? Who are these people on the
bottom? Who's Luca Crustafino?
What is this? He's.
The underboss, Yeah. Come on, Tony.
Or no the conciliary. Conciliary.
Oh Pizzeria defeated Fatal Influence, you don't watch NXT?

(01:25:05):
No, why would I want to watch TNA twice?
Why would you want to watch it once?
Nikki Bella wrestled Chelsea Green on on Raw, Yeah.
Kind of. Oh, she's not good anymore.
She would never. Well, she never was, but she's
worse now. Fairpoint, yeah.

(01:25:27):
That was where's. Is bremode coming in or is she
still stuck in AW? She ever in AWI?
Don't know but but fucking yes boys over there.
Oh, he he got another cease and desist, by the way, for doing
the yes thing. They said no.

(01:25:48):
Yeah. They did say no, apparently.
Wait, Joe Hendry, Mike Santana and Trick Williams have to team
up? Oh, no, they did team up.
They did. Yeah, last week.
Oh, you included Evolve, huh? Wow, no women's title was.
On there was. On Yeah, Yeah.

(01:26:08):
Gotcha. OK.
I'm surprised that other NXT talent didn't win that fucking
title. Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't include New Japan either.
Double T. NXT is hard to.
I'm sorry. NXT is hard to watch, man.
No shit. And are you yelling at me for
not watching it? No, like you, like I said, the
Great American Bash was hard to watch.
So the The Great American Bash was hard to watch, and Tuesday
night wasn't. I don't think it was their like

(01:26:29):
it wasn't their best show, but it was it was not bad.
It was not bad. Like I I kind of dig the what's
going on with the family, with the, I don't know, for whatever
reason, I've really enjoyed whatthey've been doing.
I like Tony D'Angelo a lot, actually.
I think all three of those guys are pretty, pretty talented
cast. Oh.
Like Stax and the underboss. Yeah, yeah, it's been, it's been
a really fun story. Like if you go.

(01:26:51):
All there's a bunch of. Guys going if I'm going to find
a fire. No.
No. Yeah, it's not your family
reunion, A. Bunch of guys in their 70s
sitting around a coffee shop going.
That's not. What they're doing, it's.
Not a bunch of guys going hey, you got the money, GABA ghoul
fucking pizza. No, they don't go oh GABA ghoul

(01:27:13):
fucking pizza. They don't do any of that.
I'm sure they do. I'm sure there's a lot of how
you Doings and AOS and a lot of that shit.
Is the Fonz going to join them? Are we bringing Henry Wrinkler
out of fucking? Retirement.
Yeah, we're bringing Henry Wrinkler back.
Hey, get a jukebox. Nothing would make me more happy

(01:27:38):
than like, like Tony's like, OK,I'm going to watch fucking NXT.
And he puts it on and there's like they do a bit.
We're at the fucking bada Bing and Tony immediately loses his
fucking mind. This is exactly what I fucking.
Knew it was going to. Be mocking my fucking people, my
tribe. How dare they tribe Jesus,

(01:27:59):
that's a different people now. All you ginzos y'all stick
together. Yeah fuck dude, I'm getting
upset about the fucking special needs guy making a cap a coal
joke to you at fucking Disney. All of a sudden he's Cap a coal,
the fucking guy who can't pronounce English words like he
and they can fucking say Copacol.

(01:28:20):
Yeah, I don't use pronouns. That's why I can't.
Take it easy. He's not that Kappa.
Cool. He's gender fluid.
Fucking double T fucking fluid. All right, Double T for they
them. Oh yeah.
I always assumed assumed it was bro stuff.

(01:28:43):
Yeah, I assumed it too. I'm about to, I assumed.
Is that a fatigue? Almost.
God, we all suck at speaking, and apparently I suck at more
than that. Oh.
Yeah, I heard the show last week.

(01:29:07):
Didn't say he disagreed though. Not even what what's the was he
like You know what guys pretty funny, but no, not me.
I love. I love flying pussy.
No, because. If I if I go and try and defend
myself it just makes it worse. This is not like I'm not.

(01:29:29):
And don't let the looks fool you, I'm not as dumb as I look.
I will let you guys. Have at it.
But if a minute I go to bat, Oh,look at now he's being fucking
he's trying to be a tough guy. That means he's extra fucking
gay. I know fucking first rodeo with

(01:29:50):
you fucking hand jobs. This is and this is not like.
This is. This is not like a.
This is not a bit for the show like.
This continues like. Video.
Games through the text chain like there's a lot of, so I'm
just not going to lean. Into it.
Lean on, I told. This fucking jerk off fucking

(01:30:12):
hat master over here. I.
Sent him a text message last week.
I said you didn't even acknowledge me.
Within seconds, every message that was sent to the group text
message got a fucking thumbs up.So we're trying to have a
fucking conversation and everything I say and then this
jerk off off above me, he fucking dog miles on it.

(01:30:33):
One of us has been working poor Brenda looks down.
He's got 46 fucking notifications, 4 fucking thumbs
up emojis. This is not a bit.
This is real nonsensical bullshit, people.
I'm not going to be like, no, I'm not gay because then it's
just going to be, oh, he's trying to cover something up

(01:30:55):
now. You.
Have at it. You have your giggles and your
laughs. Laugh about it.
Gross stuff. Oh my God.
And we'll move on to talk about the Undertaker Confederate
trick, Williams. Oh my God, my face hurts from

(01:31:20):
laughing. Oh, my God.
I just got. I just looked at my watch.
I had three notifications now. Brendo's in on it.
He fucking comes up and everything.
I thought you're going to say itwas gay.
O'clock. No.

(01:31:41):
Thanks for giving the thumbs up that I might have to put my cat
to sleep. Brendo, you.
What the fuck, man? Brutal.
Brutal. Vicious, Vicious.
Oh my God, I hope my home to youI buy you fucking pizza all.

(01:32:05):
Right, no more thumbs up for me.Oh, that's what.
That's it. No more thumbs up now.
Bundles. Out you thought you pizza.
You didn't have the courtesy to suck his Dick.
What's the matter with you? I was expecting bro stuff.
I wasn't expecting bro stuff. Please.

(01:32:30):
I would have been on line out the fucking door yesterday if I
was. Oh for Brundo, no doubt.
No for. Me, we're having people over.
There buying them pizza and pay per views.
Oh my God your Dick would have needed sav from all the chavery.
Would have needed what Sav. A.
Little ointment from all the fucking.

(01:32:50):
Teeth scraping well, Julio says.Right here there double T No
need to be extra gay, just the regular gay.
Julio fucking gets it, boy. Not the only one around here
that gets it, apparently. Yeah.

(01:33:13):
Really. No, I'm married.
I have a beautiful wife. Yeah, but sometimes even the guy
that gets filet every night needs a little hamburger or
doughnut. Yeah, I've had enough.

(01:33:35):
Brundo, you're up. I'm gonna savvy.
Brundo, you're up. Assume the position.
Oh my God, Netflix released the trailer for WWE Unreal.
The fucking Phil is stealing my questions.

(01:33:57):
I think no. Trailer he asked Charlotte Flair
what was the last. Has she ever shit in the ring?
Bro, they're listening. They've been listening for for
over a fucking decade, dude. We know this.
It's my question. Phil, remember the time?
Who was it? It was the colognes that were
selling people fucking time shares in the Caribbean.

(01:34:17):
And like, not three days before that, I had come up with that as
a fucking interview. Yeah, they look, they listen,
bro. Somebody's listening over there.
Somebody. I feel bad, right?
Mommy comes home today. Oh, no.
It's like, oh, there's a, one ofmy managers is a big wrestling
fan. I told him to watch your
podcast. Oh my God.

(01:34:41):
So he might have heard us talking about Kate sitting on
Mommy's. That's not my concern though,
because I think she thinks that this is like a serious thing,
but it's just all fart and Dick jokes.
No, we talk seriously. Come on now.
Yeah, no, but I mean, we're not like, you know, I wasn't like,
raging last night after the pay-per-view because Santana

(01:35:03):
didn't win. I fucking quietly cleaned up,
packed up the rest of the pizza and went to bed.
Double T cleaned up, you know Double TI was trying to get away
from him but he's fucking pulling me back in bro.
Some people just have on the mobfucking.
Monkey see monkey do. Fucking monkey cum all over you.

(01:35:30):
Fucking. Assholes, assholes.
Can and I can't was. I can't even be like, oh, Brendo
did all this hard work to do thefucking.
No, it's not. Brendo's in the doghouse too.
That's fair. I don't want, I'm not going to

(01:35:51):
do a deep dive on AW. There are a couple things though
that I would like to just bring up.
I did. I watched Dynamite and
Collision, curious to see the fallout.
There was some interesting stuffthat they did.
The stuff for the Young Bucks are kind of on an island by
their own. The only person that is throwing
a life preserver to them is Don Callas, and they are accepting
it, but not happily. I'm in the same camp with Tony.

(01:36:17):
The Athena promo can can we juststop saying we're going to kill
people? It's not real.
You're not really going to kill somebody.
Say you're going to hurt them, say you're going to put them on
the shelf. But don't.
I'd stop with the. Killing.
Change it to kill your career. Don't even say kill, just say

(01:36:37):
I'm going to prevent. I'm going to take food off your
family's table. You're getting a ring with me.
You won't be able to feed your family anymore, right?
Less is more. And.
Please stop with the money gimmicks.
Wait, who's the money gimmick now?
No, they had one this. Week.
They had 100 and they had then. Didn't they have like 2 like 2

(01:36:59):
weeks ago? Yeah, they definitely did.
They did $100,000 four way women's match on Dynamite.
They did a 200, $200,000 four way tag match on collision and
then twice as many people and then Ricochet wrestles AR Fox on
collision and they're like AR Fox has won the most money.

(01:37:22):
Stop trying to put this over Fox.
Doesn't. Fucking.
Win. How does he win the most money
if he never fucking wins? He's won some six man thing like
a year and a half ago, and then he won, he won something else.
Did he win something on the Ringof Honor pay-per-view?
Lisa says There was a a money. Oh, maybe that.

(01:37:43):
Yeah, maybe that was it. I think that was it, yeah.
I'm not against the idea, but ifyou do it every week I don't
give a shit. Wait, who's the gates of agony?
That's that's. Con and.
Toa Leoni. Oh, so those guys won the whose
crew? Whose Cru?

(01:38:05):
It's Leo Rush in action. Andretti.
Oh, where's where's fucking where's Jetstream or whatever?
Oh, there they are. They were in the main event.
That ain't man. So they didn't even win money.
They weren't in a money match this week.
I mean fucking. No, that's not them.
Mike Bailey did like he's Canadian.
It would have been worth more tohim.

(01:38:26):
That's a fairpoint. I'd want to be in every fucking
money match. Screw screw fucking wins and
losses. Who gives a shit?
Why do you think Tony Khan is dumb enough to actually give
these people checks when they win?
So I mean no, because that wouldthat would make for an unhappy
locker room. Then everybody would yes.

(01:38:47):
Then one week you have a fucking200 man or whatever like 1
bazillion dollar fucking like torn or like fucking tornado
match. I come to the three you and I go
2 of you. Kind of proving our point,
aren't you? Double team.
Yeah, I go to the. Two of you and I go 2.
Of you are going to suck my Dickand whoever does it the best

(01:39:09):
gets $100,000, well the third guy out, he don't get it, he's
going to be upset, right? He don't get the opportunity.
There's no fucking way he's giving away this money.
It's not even they can't. HK will be cleaning up in two
ways. If that's the case 'cause
there's a zillion people that fucking work there, wouldn't

(01:39:30):
they just want to be in the money matches?
If Tony Khan was smart, he should do a $1 million every
person on the roster match just started at the beginning of
Dynamite and let it run the entire 2 fucking hours.
Give Taz and Sock Face and Jr. and Nigel and and Ian Ricobani
and all these people, a fucking eight of them on commentary.

(01:39:52):
Put RJ City, put fucking Renee Moxley good in there too.
Let them all just fucking for two hours.
Picture and picture that shit the entire time.
I'd fucking love to see that. I would watch the whole fucking
thing. Belle to Belle.
You'd watch it. Fuck yeah I would.
A 2 hour fucking two bazillion dollar fucking like Battle for

(01:40:13):
the Supremacy. Pins count, count, outs count,
disqualifications count everything.
Falls count anywhere. Falls count somewhere.
Whatever. Over the top.
Under the bottom in the middle of the two and 3rd ropes.
Whatever, fuck them. What about the fourth rope?
Fuck it, you have cheeseburger ready in there too.
So he can't roll out of the ring'cause his belly's too big.

(01:40:35):
Fuck. It what if?
Tony Khan takes the 4th rope idea and throws it on the six
sided ring. Fuck it, put put Tony Khan in
there, put Shad Khan in there, put fucking Nick Khan in there,
put them all in there. Then you do the men's on
dynamite and the women's on collision.
No women got to be in there withthe men too.
Oh it's everyone for themselves.Yes, and fucking fake Nya Jacks

(01:40:58):
and bring Venny back from Japan.Put all the trans people in
there to put everybody in there.Fuck them.
Let them all kill each other forthat fucking one gazillion
dollars. Wait, I thought you said a
million. Whatever, there's there's a
probably 2000 people in there. Bring Jimmy Havoc back.
Fuck it, what's David Starr doing?
He can probably use a couple bucks.

(01:41:20):
Not the show anymore. What about the boys?
Not them boys, the boys. Didn't they get fired for
fucking yelling about a flight or something?
We. Better behave all right.
I'm trying Ma, but it's got me fucking riled up.
What? Don't be talking about that.
I have to Ma. Somebody's got to.
Oh, can you? Stop making fun of me, OK?

(01:41:41):
Hey, how come my shirt's backwards and Brundo's shirt
isn't? What the fuck is going on here?
I mean, your shirt is fine. Wait, no, to me it looks
backward. Mine is backwards.
Oh, that's why it's in our camera view.
That's why. Oh yeah.
That kind of fucked me all off. I I enjoyed both Dynamite and

(01:42:03):
collision. I like the direction they are
going but I'm also annoyed. Like I don't like that they do
forbidden door because they justmake matches to make matches and
it interrupts the flow of the storytelling.
Yep. Yeah.
Nice to see they fucking have grown in six years.

(01:42:24):
I've grown every time I watch it.
There's too many moving pieces. Like you can't, you can't try
and and work. Like OK, I get it, you're going
to be in England. But like, Michael Oku isn't
going to stop working his shows,so he's ready for for AW, like
he has to pay his bills unless you're paying him not to work

(01:42:45):
'cause there's a risk of him getting injured.
Gabe Kidd got hurt. You know, people were looking
forward to a Gabe Kidd match at Forbidden Dorwell.
He got hurt in his G1 Climax match.
Now, does that mean he's out? No, but you run the risk.
These guys have to make a fucking living and you can't
have them just stop. And you're not flying them all
over the fucking country to havethem be on your weekly TV shows.

(01:43:10):
I think we're past the fucking like stop at the forbidden door
at this point. It was fun the first time, it
was OK the second time. And then now it's like, it feels
like it's getting too convoluted, like more
federations, more, you know, there's four federations
involved this year. Tony, Tony Kohn's just booking

(01:43:32):
for his fucking, you know, his fans.
That's it. Yeah, the Citgo's.
That's it. I mean, it was cool what it was
like the stars of New Japan, butlike, everybody that they really
fucking care about is under their roster now anyway, so who
gives? A shit, you know, it was cool
seeing Kenny Omega and Will Osprey and it was like, oh this
is awesome. But now, Osprey, you can see

(01:43:54):
that every week. Right.
And Hechasaro's there now. He's under a dual contract.
The Keshta's under a dual contract.
Like, why? Because these guys want to work
out. I mean, look, I like Hechasaro.
I think he's super duper talented, right?
To Keshta, the same thing, but like they're all they're all in
your fig fed now. So it's not it's not cool to

(01:44:15):
Brundo's point, when it's like, oh, Takesha's going to wrestle
this guy. Well, we've been watching
Takesha now for the last year and a half.
Does Dustin Rhodes still have his three belts?
Yes. OK, good family cut a great
promo on collision. I like the setup with the, the,
the Kyle Fletcher stuff. Don cows coming out.

(01:44:36):
You have a spot in my family, you know, cuz yours is a
failure. Look, it's, but it's simple,
right? And, and yeah, even at 56 or
however old he is, like he can still go.
And there's a story to it. Like I'm not asking a lot here.
It makes sense to me. Do you think Fletcher takes it

(01:44:58):
off of him right away or a. 100%.
Why? Why like?
What like you like you just saidhe's he's he can still go.
He's gotten better as he's got as he's aged, which is extremely
rare in wrestling that you get past, you know, the age of say

(01:45:19):
40 and you keep get getting better. 45 keeps getting better.
Like he can still go. This is a great story of him,
him capturing a belt that they can build upon and you're just
going to fucking turn around andjust have him drop it right
away? Why not build on this?
There's no fucking reason not to.
And then by doing this it makes me go, OK, well what the fuck's

(01:45:41):
the point? You mean like when you have an
opportunity to run with something that was unexpected
that's fucking cool, and you just drop it right away?
That shit pisses me off. I think they did it just for the
moment in Texas. It was like, OK, he's not
supposed to be in this match. People are going to be, yeah,
some people are probably going to be pissed at him.
Cole's not there. So let's try and make the

(01:46:04):
people, people be happy at the end of this show, at the end of
this match. And they certainly did it.
But. Why didn't they put Kevin Von
Erich in the match? Didn't they just sign him?
No, they sure did. Yeah.
Did they really? Yeah, they did.
He's got an AEW legend deal. I mean, all right, again, back

(01:46:25):
to my ran earlier. Let's, I mean let's not throw
the fucking legends around like Von Erichs were great for WCCW.
That's they're Texas legends, yeah.
Yeah, Texas. And this was in Texas, wasn't
it? So why didn't they give it to
fucking Kevin? You're the guy a belt, for God's
sake. But look, man, like there could

(01:46:47):
be more likes to this story withthe seeds that maybe they
planted on Collision. You know, maybe he loses to
Fletcher and then maybe Don Kallis gets in his ear.
You're still a failure. Maybe that implodes the tag team
with Sammy Guevara. Maybe we get a heal, dust and
run. I don't know if if if Don Kallis
leaves, maybe I'll start watching again.

(01:47:09):
He was all over dynamite too. He's just.
Or at least his guys were. I just don't care like I see him
and I just like that's an automatic channel change.
I just don't give a fuck. He's goofy looking, he's
annoying. I mean he does half the time
doesn't make any sense. No, but it's it's like Xbox.
He like, I just don't fucking care.

(01:47:31):
Do you like how the coloration of a scar changes week to week?
He's a douche. It's hard to believe that he was
teaming up with fucking Rick Martel.
Do you not fucking. Do you remember that?
Yeah, but that doesn't really last long.
They were supposed they were supposed to be at the the
Federation together. Yeah, Yep.
I like the venue. I like the Chicago venue they're

(01:47:53):
at. You know, I don't understand
that. I I get dusting off Colt Cabana
but like, I really thought we were done with the death riders.
Nope. Now you know, the more I look
back at it, it makes sense that Moxley might get at least one
more shot because he he was all about it for nine months.

(01:48:13):
He was holding that title, goingthrough everybody.
So why would he loses one match?Why wouldn't he go back after it
right away? And it's not something they've
ever done right. When the AW world champion loses
the title, they don't go and geta rematch the next month.
It's on to the next story. Kenny and Moxley I think did it.

(01:48:35):
Did they? Yeah, well, the exploding, the
exploding match was Kenny was champion.
But see, I mean to be fair, yeah, every other time it
doesn't seems. Like right?
Like when Joe lost to to MJF beat him right?
Yeah. And then Joe?
Went off, yeah. And then he went off to like

(01:48:55):
Mentor Hook, like, why wouldn't you want to be like back in the
title picture, like Swerve lost the title and then he was he was
off to the next thing. Yeah.
Hook got concussed, remember? He threw up in the ring.
Oh yeah. Oh.
Yeah, and then he came back for,he was there for something with

(01:49:18):
the OPS where he just kind of stared down Joe.
Joe was excited to see him, but he wasn't excited to see Joe
because they replaced him with Powerhouse Hobbs.
Was that when they won the No, that wasn't when they won.
No, I think. It was, I don't think, yeah.
I don't know. I mean, that's really there's,
you know, we're not diving deep in the AW, you know, there

(01:49:40):
wasn't. We don't want to have a six hour
show, right? So don't worry.
I got it. Beautiful Tony, you were kind
enough to send us back to 1983, April 24th, AWA Super Sunday.

(01:50:02):
The AWA World Heavyweight Champion Nick Bockwinkle,
seconded by Bobby Heening, defending the title against the
Incredible Hulk Hogan. Why did you assign us this
particular match? For homework, it ticked a bunch
of boxes. It was AWA, which we really
never covered yet for homework it was Nick Bockwinkle.

(01:50:24):
Brendo had brought him up as a contender for the first class of
the Hall of Fame, rightfully so.He's definitely a Hall of Famer,
not first class, though. He's probably in steerage
anyway. And this is Hulk Hogan after
Rocky 3 when he was still exiledfrom WWF.
And this was not the first time Hogan had a shot at Bockwinkle

(01:50:48):
when they had wrestled. In 1982, Hogan was came into
custody of a of a chain that Bobby Hino was trying to slide
to Nick Bockwinkle. Wind up KO and Nick Buckwinkle
in that match, get in the pin. But then they were like, no, you
use the weapon. We overturned that one.
So this was Hogan's long-awaitedrematch.
His his second shot at the AWA World Championship.

(01:51:12):
And to say the crowd was not behind Hulk Hogan, you'd be
fucking lying because this was incredible.
This was Hulkamania before Hulkamania hit the scene in
January 84. This is it, folks.
You wonder where it came from. This was it.
This fucking thing was bacon andready to fucking come out.

(01:51:32):
Yeah, it was. And the hoaxer comes in the ring
with his homemade Hulk Hogan T-shirts.
He gave one the mean Jean, whichnow or never, we want the belt.
Yeah. And that was like a big, like,
bone of contention with him and Vern.
He wanted to sell these fucking T-shirts, and Vern wanted all
the money. The hoaxer was like, Brother
doesn't work for me. And in true Vern Gonya fashion,

(01:51:56):
this was not the main event of Super Sunday.
Of course not. I think, you know, I thought the
same thing, like how could this not be the main event?
But then when you see the finish, I think that's why they
didn't put it at the main 'causeyou know, this is still early,
early 80s wrestling. Like, you could, I'm not saying
they would, but you could have had like a couple of angry Rioty

(01:52:17):
fans at that point, so they didn't want to send them home
like super pissed. So let's put Vern and Mad Dog in
the main event. Yeah, 'cause you know, Vern's
not losing. Vern's poor fucking ego.
I bet you that match was dog shit too.
Well, you. You.
Used to you say that, but like you have to remember in like in

(01:52:41):
Minnesota, like Vern was the guy, you know what I mean?
Like, and obviously he owned thecompany all that, but he's he
was beloved by everybody. Like there wasn't anybody that
ever. I mean, I remember going to
fucking small shows when I was, you know, a kid and actually I
met Bockwinkle and Patera and people would still chant for

(01:53:02):
Vern at small shows. Like Vern was a beloved figure
in Minnesota. So to have him go on last on
this show is not is not crazy in.
Minnesota. Like.
It's it's nuts. And he'd also come out of
retirement for this match. Right.
Like it's it's not, it's for people that are outside of that
bubble. It probably sounds nuts, but

(01:53:24):
like if you were here in Minnesota knowing like the crowd
of Minnesota it it, it's not as crazy as it sounds to have Vern
going out for the main event. They put fucking 20,000 people
in the Saint Paul Civic Center for this show, so they sure did.
Yeah, we have Lord James Blears as our special guest referee.

(01:53:46):
Could we pick a fucking older guy?
But this I think. Go ahead, Go ahead, HK.
I I I think that's who who Horseface studies.
Yes, if you want. If you want.
This same shit in my notes. Fucking fucking Hulkster throws
a kick and then you fucking stand next to you.
You'll throw a kick to like whatare you doing?

(01:54:08):
He he's all fucking over him when he's got that headlock on
or the front face headlock, he'slike all over Hogan.
It's like, what are you trying to fucking put it on to?
Holy shit, back up. I mean, I like, I like studying
and the history of it too, but you know, horse face, no.

(01:54:29):
She should have put the blinderson watching him.
You. Guys, did you guys enjoy or or
were you puzzled like I was where during the announcements,
first of all, they announced Nick Bockwinkle first when they
were finally all in the ring, and then in the middle of
announcing Hogan, they started playing Eye of the Tiger again.
Yup. Yeah, I thought that was a

(01:54:50):
little weird. They should have just played
that like a new Jack song. Just play it during the whole
fucking match. Would have been wonderful.
Annoying after the first 7 minutes or so rising up.
It's when I walked down the aisle to at my wedding.
Did you really? Yep.
That's awesome. Wow.

(01:55:11):
How the people at the Beaner restaurant feel about that.
Jesus fuck dude what? So I hope you enjoyed the
Shining Wizards. Wow, Jesus.
Back here if you need me. Jesus Christ.
What disrespected my people? Your people.
Yeah. I'll see you wearing to abolish

(01:55:33):
ICE T-shirts. Fuck dude.
Oh this is crossing the line butme with sticks in my mouth is
OK. You can do 6.
You've worked your way up to 6. Practice some hot dogs.
You can fit more if you do it with no button.

(01:55:54):
Gotcha. How many how?
How many can you do on the work side?
Well, that's where the buns are.So they're trying to put over
here, right? Bockwinkle only has to last an
hour, right? If he can go an hour, he gets to

(01:56:16):
keep the title. If the Hulkster doesn't beat
him, he gets to keep the title. So of course the match starts
off with some Bockwinkle stalling, which I feel like is a
lost art form. Right?
Like that sure is. Hogan's all fucking fired up.
He fucking rips off his shirt togo time.
Old Nicholas says Not today. There, it's fucking thunderlips.

(01:56:37):
I'm going to take a powder. I'm going to let you fucking get
that adrenaline pumping, dude. I like, I look, I like, I like
this match up until the finish. Well, I don't know if you
noticed, but and I and I was watching it again, Nick
Bockwinkle really doesn't hit wrestling moves in this match.

(01:56:58):
All the wrestling moves done were by Hogan.
Bockwinkle at one point went fora body slam and Hogan collapsed
right on top of him. He kept trying to throw punches
to the midsection. He'd crab like a face lock and
he would continue to drive kneesinto Hogan whether it was in the
ropes or whether it was on the mat, like just like and throwing
punches. And it was an awful lot of

(01:57:19):
strikes from Bockwinkle. And I think it played well
because Hogan was that much bigger.
They're not, there's not much difference in in like height
between these two. I don't know if you guys caught
that, but it just seemed like like Bockwinkle was playing like
this guy's bigger than me, He's stronger than me.
I'm not going to be able to get any like real, you know, do any
real moves to him. So I'm just going to keep on
striking him and trying to wear him down, which I thought was

(01:57:40):
kind of cool. I also like at one point
Bockwinkle gets him like in the ropes and he gets him like 7 or
8 real vicious knees. And then Hogan like reverses an
Irish whip at one point catches Bockwinkle in the ropes and just
gives him ten of his own and thecrowd's counting along going ape
shit. And I'll tell you this much,
Hogan can fucking drop a fuckingelbow off the ropes like.

(01:58:01):
Nobody's business. Did you see the?
Fucking. Height he was getting and the
action he was getting on the elbow and shit.
One thing that really fucking pissed me off though, Like late
into the match before they went into the finish, Hogan hits a
body slam, goes for the cover and fucking Blears just never
hits the three count and like bockwinkle like kicks out like
super late and the crowd goes ohwhat the fuck.

(01:58:22):
I don't even. I think he just stopped.
He did. He won.
Hogan was. Like what the fuck?
Yeah. Yeah.
I I was not a fan of Lord James.I did not like when Bockwinkle
had Hogan in the sleeper and Hogan is just grabbing
Bockwinkle's hair and the old Lord is just fucking standing

(01:58:44):
there. Just fucking do something Lord.
You fucking. But at least it took a couple of
knocks to the noggin for Lord Blears to fucking get put out.
Like the first time he was dazed.
And then when Hogan just chargedback to the corner with
Bockwinkle on his back. Bro the.

(01:59:04):
Older. Selling is just unreal.
It you know what, I didn't thinkabout it, but Aubriette is so
fucking on point for this. Just non-stop overselling, like,
oh, and he goes to a knee and he's holding his head and he
gets back up and he gets squished and he's like
stumbling, bumbling around. So that was that was one part
that actually kind of fucking bothered me, was the timing of
that. Like he sees what's going on in

(01:59:26):
front of him, you know when to get up and get into the corner.
But he like partially gets up. He's like, Oh yeah, no, no, not
yet, Not yet, Not yet, not yet. Maybe now.
Oh OK, now I'm going to get up. You guys going to be ready?
Not going to be ready. Like you fucking see what's
going on. Time it a little bit.
That bugged the shit on me. But you know what?
I actually I like the finish. I like.

(01:59:47):
What they did? Yep, I like what they did.
Liked it. Why it's the right call?
If my problem is right, if the referee felt like a
disqualification, was. Was the way to go.
Why did he count 3? Because he didn't disqualify

(02:00:09):
him. Right.
It was Wally Carbo, the the the owner or promoter, whatever, who
was at ringside and he said no Hogan, through which I mean it's
it's it's a shit way to get out of it.
Like it's that's old N.W.A booking Where like was it
momentum or did he throw him? And in here, it's just kind of
like, no, he kind of threw him, but I don't it leaves it open

(02:00:32):
for interpretation. The only reason I didn't really
care for it, the fucking crowd was molten for this shit.
Like they wanted Hogan to win. They wanted Hogan to win in 82
and they never fucking gave it to him, you know?
They were. They were so ready.
This felt like it was a time, like Hogan had a good long chase
on it. It's like, how long do you go

(02:00:54):
until the fans stop giving a shit?
And on top of that too, we get into the story where Hogan
fucking sent his resignation like 2 weeks before he was
supposed to wrestle. I think it was around Christmas
time before Hogan left. And like, you know, this was
after his meeting with McMahon because at this point Hogan was

(02:01:14):
probably really pissed off. Like what the fuck am I doing
here if you're not going to put the belt on me?
And then next thing you know, like who knows?
I don't remember the story of ifHogan was going to get that
rematch around Christmas time, but by that point Bloom was off
the Rose. You heard the stories about Vern
wanting to take all the merchandise money and not
wanting to get Hogan deals and he wanted to.

(02:01:34):
Take some of his Japan money to wanted Hogan to bang his
daughter. Like everything, he wanted him
part of the family at that point.
Some weird shit those fellas aredoing in Minnesota, huh HK?
That's not that weird. We're welcoming.
We're a welcoming group of people.
I was thinking about this too. It's like imagine not strapping

(02:01:55):
up Hogan at this point like as as hot as he is.
Like trying to figure like what this would compare to.
Like if like the Rock all the sudden went to WCW at like late
99 instead of winning the title like how hot Hogan is and then
they just lose them. And you know what?
Amazing what they had and they just didn't know what they had.

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It threw me off a bit seeing Nick Bockwinkle wearing the
yellow tights. But I got to admit, man, like
when, especially when Hogan first came to WWFI, like when he
mixed it up, like was like some,some matches he'd wear the blue
trunks with the white, with the white trim with the white boots.
Sometimes it'd be the red and yellow.

(02:02:39):
Like he was always like playing around with it, you know,
Sometimes he'd wear the red tights with the yellow boots,
you know, it was always something a little different.
I get why he went like completely like red and yellow
after a while 'cause it's the brand, it's the look.
But like Hogan wearing the red trunks here and he looked in
great shape. When he's getting ready to face
off and he's looking at Bockwinkle like he's fucking

(02:02:59):
jacked to the gills, like there's no stomach on him.
He's all shoulders. He's all fucking Hulked up,
ready to roll. Yep.
So according to cage match that match, the last time he
challenges Bockwinkle for the AWA title.
The rest of his program he's working as Ken Patera, Mr.
Saito, David Schultz, 2 on one handicap matches against job

(02:03:22):
guys teaming with the High Flyers Battle Royals.
That's it. He doesn't see a title match
again in 83 and everyone knows 84 he's gone.
Do you know who Nick's wrestlingat that point instead of Hogan
Give. Me one second, I'll look at his
old cage match here, 83 or probably look Rick Martel, Mad

(02:03:46):
Dog, Vashon, Blackjack, Lanza, Let's see.
And April, He goes right from Hogan to where the fuck is it?
Yeah, Rick Martel, Mad Dog, Mashawn Wahoo McDaniel, Jerry

(02:04:07):
Lawler, Lot of wahoo. Wahoo.
It's fucking weird, man. Yeah, it's nuts.
I didn't like it. I think, you know, And I mean,
I'd have to, like, do research, but I'm pretty sure that's, like

(02:04:27):
where the AWA starts to kind of have a downfall.
Yeah. I mean, they were they were good
for in 84. I think 8586 is where they
really like fall off. Like the Road Warriors come in
and it's still hot for a while. Yeah, the Road Warriors actually
extended the life of AWA for a bit.

(02:04:49):
Yeah. You know, Hogan goes, they take
mean gene. Like they hit him where it
hurts. Yeah, Ventura Schultz, like all
these guys, but they, I mean, they were replacing them with,
you know, the Stan Hansens and other guys like that.
Rick Martell. Yeah.
Yeah, Rick Martell. But then eventually he goes to

(02:05:13):
Curt Henning. They really wanted to push Scott
Hall, big Scott Hall at that point.
And Hall the same thing. He's like, no, don't give me.
Because I remember hearing Hall saying like Vern wanted to give
him the belt and he was like, no, I don't want it.
I'm not staying here. It's too cold.
Jumbo. Seruta was the person that

(02:05:34):
upended Nick Bockwinkle in February 1984.
Yep. And then it went to Rick Martel.
Yeah, it's weird. They ran like they ran super.
They ran Super Clash, right? Yep.
September 85 and they 20 they put 20,000 people at Comiskey.
The main event was was was Stan and Ric Flair or Rick Stan and

(02:05:58):
Rick Bartell. Ric Flair Magnum TA was there.
Zhukov, Slaughter Slaughter. Stan Hansen won the world title
at the Meadowlands in December 1985.
And then he lost it to his truck.
It's so weird, like the Meadowlands Arena saw the AWA

(02:06:19):
world title change hands. Was Ric Flair WCW champion or
still N.W.A champion at the time?
It was around that weird time. It didn't Sting beat him there,
right? Yeah, but was that or was that
already WCWI think it might havebeen. 90 would have been WCW,
yeah. I wonder if the N.W.A title ever
changed hands. No, maybe it was the N.W.A title

(02:06:41):
still then because I think they still kept the N.W.A title and
Sting won it from him. Yeah.
It's around that wonky time though, you know?
Yeah. 'Cause I don't think they'll
like the real wonky time happened until like flair and
fuck the whatever me and Matt just watched.

(02:07:04):
Oh, yeah, When he when he leavesto go to the WWF, right?
Yeah, Ric Flair House Show, January 1991, East Rutherford
After this title win, Flair was also recognized as the first WCW
World Heavyweight Champion. So it was for the N.W.A

(02:07:24):
championship. That's fucking wacky.
The NWAAWAWWF for all three. Those were the three major
players and every single one of their world titles changed hands
in the Meadowlands. It's fucking nuts if you think
about. It that's pretty crazy, yeah.
Considering the Meadowlands was under the New York umbrella
forever, you know. Oh yeah, I give this a huge

(02:07:52):
thumbs up. I really enjoyed this.
Yes, I give it a thumbs up too. Outside the finish, which I
heated. But yes, thumbs up.
Great flavor of classic and AWA wrestling with the Hulkster
involved. Interesting way to see it.
I see H KS got the thumbs up. Of course 'cause it's Minnesota,
bro, how could you go wrong? Even a bigger thumbs up.
The last time I watched this years ago they had whoever the

(02:08:16):
commentator was wasn't commentating it, it was fucking
Lee Marshall. So watching this and not hearing
Lee Marshall on my screen was gives it an extra thumbs up.
Tony the Tiger. Yep, he's not so great.
Well, he's dead, so. Yeah.

(02:08:37):
That really tickled mad. Yikes.
Yikes, dog. All right, so I'm up right?
My turn to assign homework. Fuck yeah.
So since I fucking shit the bed on my last homework assignment
and it was universally hated. Wait what did you pick last
time? Smoky.

(02:08:59):
Smoky Mountain Bodies, Rock'n'roll.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was dog shit.
What do you got this time? I had to go back to the old
think tank here, and I found onethat I think everybody will
enjoy. We're going to go back to
November of 1994. You're going to fire up your
Peacock. You're going to go to Clash of
the Champions 29. Oh, no.

(02:09:20):
At the 49 minute mark, Vader against the natural Dustin
Rhodes. I just fucking watched this.
Well then should be the homeworkfor you HK.
Oh, I'm gonna watch it again. 'Cause he got a natural at 11

(02:09:42):
1/2 minutes and I'm interested to see what you guys think about
it. I mean, this Dustin's like in an
amazing stride. Vader's like amazing.
I can't see this being not a good match, so I'm excited for
it. I really wanted to go Super Bowl
1 Rd. Warriors against Sting Luger

(02:10:04):
Brundo but I know we just watched that for Patreon.
So God. That was so good.
No, Wasn't that put it Steiners?Stingen Luger.
Steiners, yes, and I couldn't find.
There's a Sting and Mooda match against the Steiners from the
Tokyo Dome, but I can't find it anywhere for free.

(02:10:28):
But. So it landed.
Is Strangle Mania anywhere out there?
Yes, on YouTube. See I'm that'd be a hell of a
match to do Fucking as part of the Death tournament, Lama na
Manuti and Deadly Fred. That would be a fucking great
match to watch, especially with the commentary.

(02:10:49):
Yeah, it's Stranglemania 1 and 2are both available on YouTube.
Hey, do we have results from theHeart Ballroom from this past
weekend? Oh yeah, Matt, you want to go
with that? I'm just asking you're going to
pull up the results 'cause I so I.
I'll pull them up. I had the food truck out in

(02:11:12):
Brundo's neck of the woods. So I text Brundo.
Hey, are you? How?
Where are you in relation to Little Fairy?
He's right there. I know.
He goes next time over, I go, OK, I'm at a I'm at a
laundromat. I'm doing some event with the
food. You're fucking life itself,
people. It's a public.

(02:11:32):
Restroom. That's fine.
So, you know, it's customer appreciation day at the
laundromat. You go inside, they give you a
ticket. You come out, you get a couple
slices of pizza for free grates.So I'm spices, yeah.
Cut them up, put them on plates you get.
Sliced. What happened to?
No slices. What happened to?

(02:11:53):
That what happened to that? Yeah.
I thought the gimmick was no slices.
Yeah, that was a big bitch of yours like 2 years ago.
Man, you remember better than mecertain certain events we can
make things happen. OK?
It's neither here like there. You make the customer happy.
So we're doing slices are easierthan fucking full pies.

(02:12:16):
Full pies are expensive and we did like 200 fucking servings.
So slices are easy. So I'm doing my thing.
I'll sling in my pies. Dude comes up with a ticket.
I look up. It's fucking former guest of the
Shining Wizard Wrestling Podcast, Akira.
I go, oh shit, Akira Matt from the Shining Wizard Wrestling
Podcast. Akira had no idea who I was.

(02:12:43):
I mean, to be fair, Akira is what, 2 1/2 years ago?
Also his interview was not video, he did it on the phone.
That's right. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, Kira, Kira.
So I texted Brendo and I ran into Akira.
He was looking worse for the wear and Brendo was kind enough
to inform me that he had a crazydeath match with John Wayne

(02:13:08):
Murdoch, which took place at theHeart Ballroom, sold out Heart
Ballroom, all 70 seats. I don't know if we have a
capacity. Do we have a capacity?
It if there is, it's not on cagematch.
I did see on the deathmatch Facebook page, you know, Matt's

(02:13:30):
favorite. Somebody said it's like, wow,
they really can fit a lot of people in in the heart ball
room. Maybe XPW just wasn't drawing
enough and it looked like only 70 people could fit there.
So what do you got, Brendo? All right, so we got former
guest Doctor Redacted defeats JBAnderson in a carpet strip

(02:13:54):
slaughter death match. Oh fuck that.
And I saw Redacted put cart right on Twitter right
afterwards. Carpet strips fucking suck.
Doorway to Hell tag team match, The Pillars defeating Howl OK
GS, Oh Jimmy Lloyd and KTB Fuck Jimmy Lloyd.

(02:14:15):
Terror torture match. Terracotta torture match.
Eric Ryan and Nathan Mowry. Were they hitting each other
with fucking potted plants? I.
Guess so. Probably Kensons shit like that.
Home Run Derby Light Tube Deathmatch Bear Bronson defeats
Danny d'amonto with Jeff Cannonball in his corner.

(02:14:38):
All right, a blunt force trauma deathmatch Otis Koger defeats
Slade. Dry ice deathmatch Bobby Beverly
defeats Reed Bentley and for theworld ICW Deathmatch World
title. Tokyo Tower's Deathmatch Akira

(02:14:59):
and Murdoch go to win no contestwhen Atticus Kroger runs in how
the beats the shit out of both of them.
HK what do you think about a no contest in the death match?
It's fucking stupid. I mean, when you beat down both
guys to, you know, it kind of kind of makes sense.

(02:15:20):
Matt usually beats down both guys and that's never a no
contest. Everybody's a winner.
Fuck yeah. I.
Hope you fucking die you piece of shit.
I'm here with. Them Kevin.

(02:15:46):
Good, Kevin. You got to die Kevin, though.
I don't. See.
Him. Look, if you clear Callen, we're
within driving distance. Tony, if you're interested,
they're going to be in Boston Summer slam weekend.
Who? ICW.
Yeah, that's right. Instead of coming to the fucking
Meadowlands, you just go go the opposite direction.
Are you going to go to the Meadowlands?

(02:16:08):
No, of course not. Fuck that.
Sit on my couch, watch free Peacock cause Comcast doesn't
cut it off yet. Fuck them.
Biggest party of the summer. Fuck yeah.
My living room in my pants. I'll be at GCW watching the just
announced Hardy Boys. I need to come party in your

(02:16:30):
pants. Come party.
Wait, what? Why do you?
Maybe that's what you can do nowthat Phil's taking the shit in
your pants. Maybe next time you should just
do. Was the last time you jizzed
your pants? Oh, we could play jizz in my
pants. Jizz in my pants.
You don't wanna wrestle. I remember Tony.

(02:16:53):
Did you see Cora Jade? She's taking the rest of the
year off. Why Somebody just, I fucking saw
that. And you know what?
I I wish you the best. But what?
She's 24 years old. What?
Happened to her. Was that a question?
Yes. OK.
Yes, if if you're 20, if you're 24 years old and you, you, you

(02:17:18):
need a golly boy. What does she need at 24?
She needs a mental. Break she's she's starting up
her OF bro she already. Did, yes.
Oh, she's making more money on her own wife.
That's what she needs. I just, I just, boy, I thought
about that and I was like, golly, it'd be 24 again.
Tony, Tony. Tony.

(02:17:39):
Miss Kate Fabe, I'd like to extend you an invitation to the
Pants Party. Golden Gate cake coming through
in the clutch. You think she's a white
knuckler? Think she can get to see them
hitters? Finally, Tony, You think it's
time he gone back here? You need me?

(02:18:03):
Where did he go? Kate's making all Tony's dreams
come true. Where did Tony go?
Where did Tony go? I don't know.
Oh, that puppet reminds me of something.
Remind you of what? Where's this going?

(02:18:26):
No, it's what the we briefly touched upon it last night,
Brenda. We got to talk about it
afterwards. Oh yes.
Yes, we do. Yes, yes.
What do we got next week? Richard Holiday is back.
Hell yeah. So he'll be joining us.
He's got a show to promote Summer Slam Weekend.
We got Summer Slam Week next week, so that'll be fun.

(02:18:49):
I think that's it, right? Is that it?
Yeah, I think so. And with that, let's cue the
music, get the graphics off the screen for me.
Thank you very much. This has been a production of

(02:19:11):
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visit shiningwizards.com and don't forget to listen to all
the great shows of the Shining Wizards Network.
Oh, God, it's got to be a Kevin thing.
Executive producers Manny CrossoProducers Kate Hensler, Matt
Garifo High 5 Tom Ryan Schlong All Day Scott George, Jesse

(02:19:32):
Elwell, Kathy Hummer, Michael Hammond, Keith Parker, Emily
Brock I Dunk Biscuits and David Henry Bauer the Third.
Go. Night, Diana.

(02:20:20):
I choose not to slam. I'm the fucking expert.
It's a hand job kind of night, isn't it?
You shouldn't do that. Tell me somebody passed away.
Don't you meet Olivia? He's the best.

(02:20:48):
Click the pen. Click the pen.
Fucking as we go. To me, that's too much cream.
I can't match fucking frozen like a Chinaman with his fucking
teeth waking out. I don't even care if it's during

(02:21:08):
Wrestle Kingdom, I just want to go get some fucking vending
machine panties. Use the cage.
I like the purple. It's OK to be accused.
That doesn't mean you're guilty.You know what this is?
This is a bag of shit right here.

(02:21:35):
Guess what buddy, the smells don't come from my armpits.
OK. Like a needle.
Through like a like a vulva, youfucking dork.
Gee whiz, are you mentally prepared for cream mania?
And you know, you are kind of into weird stuff.

(02:21:58):
Shut the fuck up. Perhaps kick a small person in
the face? No, I am not having an aneurysm.
It was such a fucking mess man. He hit me with a she looks like

(02:22:19):
Jabba's slut dropping a grumper.Get on top of me and I'll beat
you off. I went to the airport and got on
the fly fly and I'm in Jersey did.
You stop it yet? Yeah, I'm fucking done.
Fuck this. Oh my God.

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