Episode 758: Put on the Helmet, Get in the Box

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time for the Shining Wizards. This is the Triple X Sex Express
Sexy Eddie. Whether I'm beating my meat or
whether I'm eating my meat or I could even be on an all vagina

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diet that's all Bush and all tush.
But when I'm done doing all that, you know what I'm doing?
I'm watching the Shining Wizardswrestling podcast.
Rock out with your cock out. All right, it is episode 758 of

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the Shining Wizards podcast, andjust like a house full of
footprints, we are mattless tonight.
None. However, that was fucking
terrible. However, if you like bro stuff,
gay stuff, fuck stuff, this is going to be the show for you.
We got Tony and HK and myself inthe house to 7:30 Eastern.
We will be joined by Brian Solomon, the author of

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Irresistible Force, the Gorilla Monsoon story.
We got plenty of returns to talkabout tonight that I'm sure made
people's tent pole in their pants, so let's just get into it
with some wrestling talk. And to talk about the wrestling
Tony, Handsome Kevin, sorry, we didn't, we didn't go over that.

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And. Prefer you fuck up still.
You stomped all over his Dick there, Tony.
Well, I'm I'm busy stomping somecattle over here in the old Wild
West. This is my background for the
night. I feel like I spent 30 bucks on
a green screen. Might as well get my money's
worth. You got a, you got an Arthur
Morgan impression there, Tony. Who is that?

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I don't know who that is. It's Red Dead Redemption too.
Oh, I don't play that game. OK.
All right. Yeah, I I try to like Grand
Theft Auto like or GTA is the kids call it these days.
Yeah, I. Don't know.
My son is so obsessed with Red Dead, and he's turning into a
little psycho. Hey, Dad, look at me.

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I just kidnapped this guy. Watch him throw me to the Gators
so they can eat them. You know, I just kidnapped Guy.
I'm going to turn him in now. Throw him off this bridge.
Didn't didn't people lose their minds because you can beat up a
woman that was fighting for the woman's right to vote and just
drag you down the street? I thought that was the thing in
RDR, the original. You, you can do a lot of things

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in that game. So I, I've, I've played the
game, I, I've played the, I've beat it both ways.
It's a good guy and it's a bad guy.
You can kind of pick. One I beat it both ways too.
Am I left and my right? OK, write that one down.
And I call the good guy and the bad guy.
So. The first time I played through,
just just doing all the right things, right, Everything's

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good. My Molly, she loves like she'll
walk, walk by and be like, oh, she'll watch me play a little
while. It's an interesting game.
The second time I'm playing through, I played it as a bad
guy and as I'm as I'm, as I'm riding my horse, I just turn and
I shoot a guy right in the face.And my wife was just why would

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you do what happened? Hold on, what?
Did you do And I just look, I said I'm a bad guy now.
Holy, holy Go should. Have never let them vote in the
first place back here if you need me.
Well, you know, they stood up for their rights and they lost
their seat. What's what happened?
Tropical chiming in. The one thing, the thing no one

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sees is Tony wearing assless chaps.
It's my secret, bro. Don't give away.
Don't give away my secret identity.
Assless chaps man, yes. A ton of a chaps man.
Somewhere there's some a video of Tony dressed like Vito and
The Sopranos doing this. Yeah.
Hey, guys, it's a joke. Hey.

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Don't say nothing, Sal. Hey guys, it's a goof, bro.
When he was snuggling with that dude and he's telling him I love
you Johnny Cakes, I was like, ohboy, Vito's a fucking dead man.
Or either that or when he comes up with the security guy in the
van. Yes, although wasn't it apropos

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though that fucking what the fuck's his name?
I can't, I can't think of his name.
Oh fucking Philly of Tardo comesout of the closet to fucking
kill him. There's so God, there's so many
things on that I've watched overthe years.
And there's, it's, it's like anygreat show, you can go back and
watch it and catch so many things that you never saw the
first time around just 'cause you're so zoned in on the story,

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you don't just catch like the little things, like they don't
really mean much, but they mean so much more when you see them.
You're like, oh fuck, really? There's so many lines that
people miss too, like, oh, let me tell you a couple of three
things and you just see everybody looking at them like
what the fuck is he talking about?
There's no scraps in my scrapbook.
I think I, I think my, one of myfavorite lines was Paulie was

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telling Christopher about the Chechnyan guy and he goes, he's
a Czechoslovakian guy. He's a fucking interior
decorator. Christopher looks at him and
goes. His apartment looks like shit.
Oh, that's so good. There's so is.
There's such a reason that was considered the best one.
Fucking pine lerance. It was.
It was a great show. Oh, yeah, as as much as these

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days, I don't like the Italians being thrown under the bus so
much. It was a great show.
It certainly was. Absolutely.
I I see you. Look in HK, it's all right.
You can ask questions if you want to.
Well, I just I didn't realize that Italians got thrown under
buses. I don't know, like we get thrown

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off of bridges with concrete shoes.
Like what the fuck are you getting at?
Gotcha. I don't know, Tony, I don't
know. Do I have to put an Italian flag
behind me? That's not who I am, right?
That's not who I am. Brendo Fly might know all about
it. I wouldn't know.
Maybe a do you have a picture ofa bowl of spaghetti or
something? All right, come on now, fucking
hand jobs. Oh, why didn't Tony?

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What happened? Buddy, no.
I'm thinking about what I want to do later.
Oh, gotcha. Hand jobs.
Reach over right next to you. It's a 2 1/2 hour flight.
Brian R Solomon is joining us. He's coming back to the show.
Talk about irresistible force. Is Bruno's Is Bruno's Jesus now

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I got Italian on the mind my. Balls.
Oh, Gorilla Monsoon got you. I mean, Gorilla Monsoon was
built from Manchuria, but you know.
He's, he was an Italian, right? He's an.
Italian guy from this area. Come on, Vince senior didn't
have to go too far to look for for some good Italian talent.
I don't have to go too far to look for some good Italian food.

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Fuck me, that bomb. Ding, Ding, Ding.
I got you. I got you there.
So how was your weekend boys? I like this one.
Woof woof. Good weekend man, good weekend,
good weekend. Went out to dinner with the wife

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on Friday. Gal.
Your best gal, My my #1 gal. We went out to dinner.
Saturday we went out to lunch. Did you go to the same place?
Of course he did. Dinner and lunch.
I didn't. I didn't.
Yeah, we didn't feel right. But yeah, we went to a different
spot on Friday just to, you know, she needed a break.
So we went to lunch at my numberone spot on Saturday and then

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said Sunday was just, you know, Sunday was a pretty lazy day,
man, just football all day. I did.
I did find the time Sunday morning to to crack out about
boy around 9 miles before beforethe festivities begun, so that
was good. So All in all, it's pretty good.
Jeez, come on brother, fly. That's pretty, no I'd say Sheesh
has that's fucking amazing everytime I hear 9 miles. 9 miles is

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pretty good. It's pretty good.
Yeah. Tony, I got to ask, do you know
the the national anthem there? The Italian national anthem.
Yeah, a little bit. It's been a long time.
I don't really remember all the words, but I could hum a few
bars. You would think like for how
much you you wave the flag and talk about the proud heritage
you at least. I mean, I don't hear the, I
mean, I don't hear the national anthem.
It's not ingrained like our great national anthem is, you

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know? OK, do you know like the the the
national anthem of of the UK? It's God save the Queen, isn't
it? Well, see now you should know
yours then, right Tony? Come on man.
Come on, Tony. I just remember like the first
line. The first lines woke up this
morning, right? Yeah.

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Jesus fuck no. Now what about the Canadian
National anthem, Tony? Jingle Bells Batman smells,
yeah. See.
I wouldn't know what Robert Goulet.
Saying I I might have to call some bullshit here, Tony, you
got to at least know your national anthem if you're going
to fly the flag. The official name is El Canto de

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Italiani, which is the song of Italy, but it's more typically
known as Fratelli di Italia because that's the first line.
That's how most people know it. So there you go.
Well, I could have read it too. It doesn't mean me mean mean me
Italian. Yeah, but it wouldn't be in that
great Italian accent. And you got a point there.
Yeah, I mean, HK, does the Shirehave a fucking national anthem?

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No, no, no we don't. We're just proud of who we are.
We don't need to sing song to show our to show our proudness.
Our feet don't hit the floor andwe can easily get through the
door. Welcome to the Shire.
Now I was thinking it's the fucking yodeling music from
fucking Price is Right. Butterfly, how was your weekend,

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man? Oh, it was wonderful, you know,
mostly relaxing, Did a little walking, did a little recording
with my man HK up there. It's me.
Yeah, you know, And then Sunday,nice quiet day.
So can't complain. Watch.
People Randy Newman, Tropicale. I was thinking hi ho, hi ho

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myself. Does JJ Rogue come out to the?
There we go, start the dirt bikeI'm.
Sorry, I'm not I'm not used to drinking during the day.
I would. I would have gone with R.E.M.
Tiny happy people. That's terrible.

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Yeah, I killed that. Yeah, Buck Zumhoff wrote that
one, Buck. Wolf, you think?
You think Ward's gotten to him with a celebrity he's become on
this show? Well, there's, there's like a
handful of people I hope that they know one is the the water

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server at. Oh, Adam's Tavern.
At Adam's Tavern, Rory. I hope message has gotten to
Rory. To this point, Rory's the best.
Rory's great. Maybe that bird from the BBQ?
I don't know if she knows or not.
Wait, is it is that, is that thewoman that I think you're
talking about? I have no idea.

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She's she's the one with the little kid.
No, I don't think so. Is that not her kid?
I have no, no, we were tropical,had mentioned it on Tots.
I I was listening today, that's why.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know.
Another celebrity for the show. Jersey.
Jersey cow. Jesse, right?
He's up there. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I didn't realize. I didn't realize parts of

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members of AL's family were bonding with Jersey Cow Jesse.
That was pretty interesting. Oh yeah, yeah.
Little man. Little big man too.
His kid is giant. Yeah, I mean.
Yeah. Daddy's a big boy.
Daddy's. A.
Daddy's a big boy. Writing that down.

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So we got we got 15 minutes. You want to you want to kill
something in 15 minutes? Tony, what's on your mind?
I. Think we should start off with
the fucking most depressing newsthat anybody's heard on this
show in the past 14 years this past weekend.
Jakka, friend of the show, Johnny Mangue, the smooth,
savage part of Team Pazuzu, longtime friend of the show.

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Matter of fact, Dave Powers was the guy that introduced him to
us. Yeah, like episode 14.
So that's a long fucking time ago, folks.
Suffered a massive heart attack a couple of days ago and
unfortunately we found out that he passed away 39 years old.
It's a shame man. Way too young.
One of the nicest guys, like always had fun in the business,

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like always willing to joke around, have a laugh.
I actually pulled his first appearance from the show from
the archives. My plan was to kind of do like
a, not a best of, but like maybea a remembrance of running that
episode. Found out about 10 minutes in
that that's a terrible idea because the show was a lot
different back then, but a lot. Different back then.

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We, we, I mean, we've had other appearances with him.
He appeared with Angel Ortiz on an episode, which I can find in
the archives and whatnot. But yeah, long time friend of
the show, Amazing guy. Nothing but love from the
wrestling community coming out supporting him.
There's a GoFundMe that I put upin the Discord.
It was originally for donations to help him with his medical
bills, but now I can imagine that that money's going to go

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to, to help his wife. He's only been married a year or
two. Man, that sucks.
Yeah, So I'm, I, I'm, I'm sure the money's going to be put to
good use, you know, for Funeral services.
Anything else, you know, any other expenses?
Yeah, of course, Of course. So, you know, I I know it's not
really our gimmick to do a moment of silence, but if anyone
deserves 1 very dear friend of the show Jocko passed away, we

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want to give him a moment of silence.
Heck yeah. Rest in peace, buddy.
All right, P He's one of those guys I always remember hearing

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like back when I started gettingreally back into indie
wrestling, like he was one of those guys like him, Ortiz and
Santana Janella that were like going everywhere and you just
see his name everywhere and him having great matches.
Like I wish I saw more of him atthat time.
Yeah, it was that whole crew. It was Jocko, it was Chris

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Dickinson, UIFBO, Pinky Sanchez,that entire crew, man, They ran
together everywhere. Matt's favorite ring announcer
was part of the crew for a while.
The fuck is? His name too, right?
He he yeah, he was doing XPW fora while.
Larry Legend. Not that Larry Legend, No.
OK. No, not that Larry Legend, HK.

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Oh, OK. Gotcha.
Not the one that was on the Price is Right.
Wait, Larry's Abyss goes on. The price is right.
No, Larry. Oh no, no, that Larry Legend was
on The Price is Right. I always think of CZW Larry
Legend. Yeah, Black Larry Legend.
Yeah. Leisure Suit Larry.

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See, I would think that your Larry's Abisco was more of a
leisure suit guy. Like he was always kind of
dressed down. Cool.
Yeah, he was a very long shirt. No, he was more Hawaiian, Shirt
wasn't. He.
Oh yes. He was, yeah.
And when he got into TNA, he didn't give a good God damn any
shirt he picked out for the day.Well, neither did Tony Shivani.

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I mean, still my as much as I hate Larry Legend or Larry's
Abisco, what? You don't hate?
Yes, I do. I won't hate him.
I. Don't really hate him as much as
I dislike him in all fashions oflife.
I was going to say that shirt hewore on TNA.
The hogs riding. Hogs riding.

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Hogs. Hogs riding hogs.
Yeah, I sort of get Duke. And dogs riding hogs.
So good. Forgot all about dogs riding
hogs I. Got a Oh I never forget.
About this stuff like that. Got to do some shopping here
guys. You can talk amongst yourselves
that's. Do you actually hate Larry's

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Abisco Brendelfle? You don't actually hate him.
I dislike every time he was on my TV.
What? The fuck is?
Wrong. It's probably a strong word
because there are people that I hate for, you know, kid touching
reasons or stuff like that. Like at least Larry's not a
terrible person. I just dislike him being on my

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TV. He's a legend.
In his mind, God. Damn it, you know, I'm, I, I
know I went through ChampionshipWrestling months ago and now I'm
going through All Star Wrestlingon the Network and we're turning
the corner to 1980. And Larry's Abisko came out and
he cut his interview where he's got to step out of Bruno's
shadow and he's tired of being referred to as Bruno's protege

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and he wants to wrestle Bruno ina scientific match.
So we're reliving the greatness all over again.
It's coming. I am.
Absolutely terrible. Not that bad.
It's kind of terrible. It's not that.

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Terrible. Yeah, you're right.
It's not. It's it really isn't.
What are you doing? Like what?
Happened. What are you talking?
About, I don't know, you were like leaning over the God.
Dog I was throwing up. I'm fucking wasted, Jesus.

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It must be AK thing, who knows. I didn't want to say it, Brendo.
Jesus. So did you guys watch since we
got 10 minutes? Do you guys watch Smackdown?
Yes. No, I was.
I was was at dinner with my #1 gal.

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Sorry my son, just. Brought Oh God.
My son just brought me up water so.
Oh. Anyway, honestly didn't catch

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much at the beginning of Smackdown with Cena and Sammy,
but I'll tell you this much, aside from the fact that I was
waiting for the for the debut and the return of AJ Lee, which
I mean, everybody knew was coming.
Jesus, even WWE Shop knew it wascoming.
They put it out on Twitter a dayearly, responding to some rando

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going, oh, AJ Lee. Oh, she's back, and here's her
merchandise. That's not the first time they
did that too, right? No, they did it years ago too,
when they brought in Alberto DelRio and somebody put out on
Twitter like, hey, this guy's supposed to be a big deal, are
we hyping him? Fucking idiots.
But yeah, you know what? Aside from that, Smackdown

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sucked. Smackdown was a fucking terrible
show and I'm just like I. You didn't like Sammy and Cena?
Like I said, I didn't see much of it.
I don't mind Brock coming back, I have no problems with that.
But everything else in between it seemed like the IT seemed
like. I swear I started watching it at
like maybe like 8:45. By 9:15 they had taken 8

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commercial breaks and they barely started the next match.
I'm like what the fuck are they doing over there?
It was a three match show for two hours.
See, I thought you when you sentthat, I remember you sent that
in a text like all, all these commercial breaks.
I thought you meant during the Sammy and Cena match because I
turned that on. I maybe saw the last like 15

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minutes or so and there were twocommercial breaks in between
that, at least 2. They were probably another one.
Well, I'm sure they meant to put.
In great match. I'm sure they meant to put in
six more so they fucking back loaded.
Them well when I turned it on itwas already on a commercial
picture in picture match. So all.
Right. So I'll give you the benefit of
the doubt. Maybe that stuff was good.
Like I, like I said, like a lot of people, don't want Brock

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Lesnar back. I fucking love it.
I think it's going to be a greatway for Cena to go off getting
murdered by this guy. But that being said, aside from
maybe that and the ending like the whole bunch of middle stuff
like fucking Alistair Black attacking Damien Priest and then
like oh we don't know, the bell didn't ring.
Fuck off. So tired of that Julia.

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I had high hopes for her man. Not feeling it.
Yep, it feels like Julia and Vecor came in at the same time.
And Vecor. Julia was supposed to be the top
one. Vecor just pastor right by.
It's like when they brought in Sasuke and they brought in Taka
Michinoku to work with them, andthen Taka became the star and
Sasuke went back to Japan. It's funny how that works

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sometimes, man, you know? Yeah.
Sasuke was supposed to be the guy.
Oh, yeah, they brought him in. He was supposed to run
everything, Yeah. Yeah.
No way. Yeah.
Why do you think? Why do you think Taco was
jobbing to him when they first brought the two of them in?
I thought it was always supposedto be taka.
No, no. Get the fuck out of town.

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Yeah, it worked for Sasuke. I mean, he joined the Japanese
diet. He got caught banging somebody
with his mask on. Pictures out there?
Are they sure it was him Right, Brundo?
Is somebody in a Sasuke mask? No, it'd look a lot different if
it was me. It was banging cocktail
waitresses do it a time. Two at a time, it's.

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Going to be that kind of show. What movie was that?
That was my blue heaven, wasn't it?
Oh, that sounds familiar. Yeah.
Great song, great movie. Not one at all.
Well, the song is pretty good too.
Yeah, the song was great. We played that at my wedding.
Who came out to that song? Oh, nobody.
No. My wedding was all wrestling.

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Double T. Fuck you guys.
Fucking assholes. I like when we insult.
I like when we insult Double T because when he comes back next
week he's going to be a House offire and maybe study.
Maybe stutter study Jesus. Maybe stutter only once or twice

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when he goes on a tirade attacking all of us.
That'll be all right. I wore this hat for him.
Just for him. Oh, the bluefish.
Yeah. They're a great team.
Yeah. There's videos online, There's
there's a goofy guy and his kidsand like one of his kids has got
a fiance and they do silly shit like that where they'll put up

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pictures of different like whether they're football teams
or baseball team logos. And she has to guess who they
are. And their father sits there with
her and every time a logo comes up and she completely destroys,
he goes The fuck's wrong with you?
I think I've seen that. That's fucking great.
And then they show the logo and they play the NFL Now theme, and

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it's got the fucking name that she said underneath it.
It's fucking hysterical. I used to do shit.
Like that to Judy, all the time I'd be watching the game and
she'd asked me who was playing and it could have been hockey.
And she'd be like, who's playing?
I'm like, oh, it's the Miami Pistons versus the New York
Warriors. It's in the 7th inning.
She's like, OK, enjoy your game.Like like retrospectively it's

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like God what an asshole move. That was a you know, there was a
phenomenal shirt I saw recently on somebody.
It was a picture of a guy hit hitting a home run and it's just
touchdown. It's like I.
Fucking that's great. Yeah, like she'd see a picture
of the Cowboys logo and she'd gostars or like like the Colts,

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like the the horseshoes should be like the horseshoes.
Of course it. Was.
Of course it was. So I got to ask because I didn't
watch Smackdown at all. What?
What are they doing with Alistair?
What is his? Like what?
Where is he going? What's his?
He's creepy. Pretty much he spent the first

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two months squashing or feuding with Miz and Melo and now he's
feuding with Priest and. Cause Priest is kind of spooky
too woo. I don't like that.
And the Wyatts are spooky woo. And Alexa Bliss is a little
spooky woo. We are getting close to

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Halloween. Spooky times.
Spooky battle. Right.
I mean, if you look at the threebig names that came back and
made the jump back, Kim Rusev and what's Andrade like, Which
one of those guys, do you think it's made an impact since they
come back? Andrade, isn't it?
Not he's not. I don't.

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Andrade wasn't a big main rosterplayer anyways.
He was he was a great, great spot when he was on the XT.
But Maine roster, he wasn't a main.
He wasn't a mainstay. Rusev was great on the main
roster. Since he's come back, I think
he's done a lot of great things.Yeah, yeah, that's true, Rusev.
It's still kind of early. I did really like that match

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with Seamus. I.
Just want to. See where he goes next.
Alistair, I think, I think Alistair's got some legs though.
Like there's some, there's some depth they can do different
things with with him. But yeah, Rusev's the guy, I
guess, out of the the three thatyou listed.
Yeah. I don't know man, I'm just kind
of tired of all the creepy characters.

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What do you want? I want Alexa Bliss to win all
the belts. But she's kind of creepy too,
Tony. Yeah, but she's cute.
Creepy. Oh, there's a difference.
Like she'll slit your throat andshe'll go like.
Hump the wound. What the fuck?
Really. Would you consider?
Let me write that down, sorry. Would you consider?

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Hump the wound as a contender. By the way, Motsbox said it was
Fredo from Godfather who's banging cocktail waitresses 2 at
a time. Thank you for that buddy in the
chat, Motsbox there S JS there. William Mercer, junior there.
I consider Oscar a creepy character.

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No. Face makeup and everything.
No, because she's Kabuki. Yeah, Ria Ripley.
No, Ria Ripley's like an assassin.
She's not really creepy, I don'tthink.
You don't think so? No, not at all.
Not at all. Maybe.
I don't know, Like the Wyatts are creepy.
I think Alistair is kind of there.

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Damien Priest is like a kind of iffy thing, but Alexa's kind of
like still on the fence I guess.They didn't.
They're not putting her back with the Wyatts.
No. There might be, though.
There's time. There's time.
They plant the seeds. They let the seed grow into a
plant. Right.
No, but I I like the stuff she'sdoing with Charlotte right now.
Have they been on TV lately? They've been kind of quiet,

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right? A little quiet.
Yeah, but I like that it's kind of cool.
Like everybody was like down on Charlotte when she came back,
but then you put those two together, it's been amazing.
I'm always going to be down on Charlotte.
It's not going to change, dude. We got the case coming in Stop
not going to change. Oh, that wasn't the I don't.
Think no, that wasn't one of those things you horn.
Dog, really. He's not scared.

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Of Charlotte. I get it.
Yeah, Yeah. Jesus, Tony, let me do.
This it would be way more creative if it if it was some
that other one. Hi, let's see IHK.
Nope, wrong one dude. I.
Got you. I'm.
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Oh, really? Yeah, don't worry, I'm pressing
buttons over here. Don't worry, it's our first

(29:33):
show, yeah. I can't believe I left you guys
in charge. Ladies and gentlemen, the
Irresistible Force himself, Brian Solomon, returns to the
program. Hi guys.
How's it going? Thanks for having me back.
Doing all right, man, that that voice always comforts me.
And all I ever expected is to hear Shut up and Russell.
That's my son. If he was here, I would have him

(29:55):
say it right now. He's he's out of karate right
now, but he might come back before we finish.
Brian Solomon creating Warriors for the future.
I love it. I love it.
No mercy. It's for the weak.
Strike first. The leg.

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So how you been? I heard you've been pretty busy.
Yeah, you could say that kind ofbusy.
I I'm in the middle of recordingthe audio book for Irresistible
Force to Life and Times of Gorilla Monsoon.
Actually, I expect to finish it tomorrow.
And I've been, I'm getting sick of the sound of my own voice, to
be honest. I really am because I've been

(30:36):
recording this book now for a couple of weeks and doing my own
podcast and now I'm starting to do all these appearance is to
promote the book, which is, which is fantastic, but I'm just
getting disgusted with myself. I just am annoying myself with
my own voice. You know, I'll get, I'll get
over it. I'll get over it.
Well, I'm glad you would, and it's glad to hear that you're

(30:57):
finally wrapping up on the the audio portion.
I know you've been talking aboutit and I know it's got to be a
bit of a slog, but, you know, doyou?
I mean, we probably talked aboutit last time, but just to
freshen up, do you prefer doing the audio yourself for your
books? You feel like you can do it
justice more than anybody else. Absolutely.
In fact they try to insist on it.
I I don't want other people doing it.

(31:18):
The last one I did for Blood andFire, it was a different company
than this one. And I had a harder time getting
to do this audio book. This was it.
You know, the book is published by ECW Press, but the audio book
is a different company. And they're out in California
and they kind of have a stable of voice narrators or whatever

(31:40):
that they use. And so I had to sell them on
having me do it because they were just going to use one of
their people. And they started saying, you
know, send us a list of every name or word in the entire book
that you think our narrator might not know how to pronounce.
And I'm going like, OK, why don't you just have me do it?

(32:02):
I, I mean, do you know how long it's going to take for me to do
that? And they were like, well, do you
have experience? And I said, OK, I'm I do a
podcast every week. Can you read do?
You even know me. I'm a teacher.
I'm a public speaker. I did the last audio book for my

(32:22):
last book. Yes, Yes, I think I could.
And they made me send a demo. So I had to do like a sample.
And they finally let me do it. And I'm glad.
I mean, I really had to jump through some hoops, but I am.
Yeah, I it's very important to me because you hear so many
times horror stories about audiobooks.
Where people, you know, everything is wrong and

(32:44):
everything's mispronounced and it distracts people and
everything. And you know, I, I definitely
don't want that. If you can choose.
Somebody outside like you didn't.
You're not going to do your audio book, but you can pick
somebody hand picked. Who would you pick to read one
of your books? You know, you sound like that
audio book company because that's that was one of the

(33:06):
questions. They asked me.
I don't they. They were like, they were like,
that's what they said to me. Ideally, what kind of a voice
would you like? And I'm thinking mine, but they
were like, you know, is there anactor or somebody?
And, and The funny thing is in my head, the person I have in my
head is dead. So they can't do it.
But ideally it would be like thenarration, the Ray Liotta

(33:30):
narration from Goodfellas. That would be the most perfect
voice I could imagine for this book.
But as far as living people, I forget.
I actually had somebody that I thought would be great.
Oh, you know who I like to KeithDavid, the guy who does a lot of
the Ken Burns documentaries. You'd recognize his voice in a
second. He actually even did one for

(33:51):
WWE. He did the the History of the
World Heavyweight Championship. If you ever heard that one, that
documentary they did. He's the guy and he's just got a
great voice. Our friend Julio chimes in.
Paul Bearer. Would you have, Paul?
Oh yes, no, I don't think that would really work.
God that book would be like 10 cassettes.

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Will you stop? Not going to happen.
You wouldn't, you wouldn't tap fellow host Brian Last or, you
know, God help us, Jim Cornette to read the book.
Somebody actually said I would pay good money to have Jim
Cornette be the narrator. And I mean, I would pay money to

(34:35):
have him be the narrator of anything.
But he's in he's in the book because I interviewed him for
the book. But the other person, the other
thing I kept hearing was, you know, I'm, I'm good friends with
Joe Morata, who does the our Vantage point podcast and he's
obsessed with Gorilla Monsoon. And he does those Gorilla
Monsoon AI podcast that everybody was, was going crazy

(34:57):
for, which are hilarious. And people were saying you
should just have the Gorilla Monsoon AI read the book about
his life. And I'm just going that, that,
you know, that sounds great on paper.
It's very morbid and disturbing and I can't even imagine what
his family would think. So I'm just like, maybe not.

(35:17):
I've heard AI read books too andsome of the pronunciations just
aren't there, so I can't imagineMonsoon reading his own book and
just pronouncing everything wrong.
I mean, I wouldn't be against him doing like a little section
as a promo or a gag. Actually, Joe did one like that
for me where it's Gorilla and he's on the set of, you know,

(35:40):
one of the shows and he's talking about my book and
telling people to buy it. It's very, very weird, but I
liked it. See, I would put Gorilla in the
middle of like one of the chapters and then he just takes
over and he gets really aggravated with whatever he's
reading and he goes, who wrote this shit?
I'm done. And like you just hear footsteps
in the door slam. I'll have you thrown out of
here, yeah. Book is a miscarriage of

(36:03):
justice. This book went to the well once
too often. This book was not excellently
executed. Speaking of, actually, I should
say I I keep forgetting to mention this all the time and
it's actually one of the biggestselling points of the book.
The the forward is by Bret Hart.That's.

(36:24):
Awesome. I was grilled.
I'm grateful to his brother Ross, who made the introduction
to Brett. I mean, I had spoken to him
briefly back when I worked at WWE, but that was a very long
time ago. So to get him on board, you
know, I didn't realize until it was Ross who was telling me the
connection with the Hart family and Gorilla Monsoon and how
close they were. And that's when I started

(36:46):
thinking, well, it should be Brett.
That would be great to get him to do it.
Yeah, I remember you had a bunchof audio from your time when you
worked at WWF, from when you were doing interviews for for
WWF Magazine. I think famously there was one
with Roddy Piper that I rememberyou playing, right.
Did you? And I don't remember, so I'll
find out anyway. Did you did you ever have a

(37:08):
chance to sit with Gorilla Monsoon back in the day while
you were working there? No, no.
In fact, I, in the introduction to the book, I talk about that.
I I started there in February 2000 and my first interview was
in October 1999. They kind of strung me along for
a few months, but October 99 andwhat, I didn't realize it at the

(37:30):
time, but it was like 10 days after Gorilla Monsoon's funeral,
and he had been coming into the TV studio right up until
September. So I really just missed him.
But there were so many people that I worked with that, you
know, knew him and worked with him and I would hear so many
stories. And so, I mean, I, you know, it

(37:51):
was, I got really close. I mean, I met Freddie Blassie, I
met Arnold Skoland. They got to, you know, meet
people like that. But Gorilla I missed.
It's so it's so awesome how how many connections you got to make
with with all these legends. What goes into the thought
process once you're finished with the Chic book, or maybe
while you're doing the Chic bookthat you decided that Gorilla

(38:13):
Monsoon was going to be your next topic to tackle?
Well, I I did a little detour inbetween.
I published a book in 23rd, 2023called Superheroes, the History
of a Pop Culture Phenomenon FromAnt Man to Zorro.
And that was kind of a book. I pitched that in the Chic book
at the same time to two different publishing companies.
Kids never do that because they both said yes, but like about

(38:38):
six months apart. So I'm starting the Chic book
thinking, oh, I guess nothing's coming around with that
superheroes book. And then a few months later,
they come to me. We want to do the superheroes
book. So I did them right on top of
each other. But I didn't plan it that way,
but I wanted to do, I was thinking about what my next
wrestling book was going to be. And are you guys familiar?
I have to give this man credit. Are you guys familiar with

(38:59):
Doctor Mike Leno? Oh, of course.
OK, the legend. Yeah, he's an interesting
character. Sure is.
Wrestling and photography and fandom.
He's an interesting, unusual guy.
But I will not I I have to say it 'cause I even mentioned it in
the acknowledgements. He had me on his podcast talking
about blood and fire, and we were spitballing on that show

(39:23):
about, hey, what's your next book going to be?
And I had some thoughts and ideas.
And he's the one who said, what about Gorilla Monsoon?
And a light bulb went off in my head.
Because here's the thing I I like to have, I'm one of these
crazy people. As a writer, I actually like to
have a lot of people read my work.
It's very important to me. I'm not one of these.

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You know, sometimes you get people who say, like, I don't
care, you know, who reads it or whatever, as long as you know
the works. What's important to me, it's
very important to me to reach a big readership.
I think I got spoiled by workingat WWE.
And So what I like about GorillaMonsoon and why that appealed to
me is he's a major figure from, you know, the Hulkamania era

(40:05):
that everybody knows who watchedwrestling then.
And even if you're too young, you still have a kind of an idea
of who he was. His voice is all over all these
documentaries and things, but atthe same time, his career goes
back so far that I could talk about the 60's, the 70s, I could
talk about the territories, Bruno Sammartino.

(40:26):
There were all these things thatI could talk about that I'm most
interested in without having to worry.
Oh my God, nobody's going to want to read this book about
wrestling in the 60s and about people they don't know because
the the name value of Gorilla Monsoon will carry the book.
So that's what I loved about theidea that I I could write about
old school wrestling, but it wasin a package that I know that

(40:50):
fans of all ages would be interested in picking up.
What's your what's your favoriterole that Gorilla played in the
wrestling business? Was it wrestler in the 60s?
Was it in the 70s where he started speaking and started
changing? Was it in the 80s when he's
sitting on commentary with JesseVentura?
Was it his run as president of the WWF?

(41:14):
Well, I mean, my favorite as a fan would be him as an
announcer, just because, I mean,you know, I grew up in that era.
I watched, I started watching the WWF around the time of
WrestleMania 3 and you know, Gorilla Monsoon and Jesse
Ventura doing the pay per views and all that.
That was my thing. But the, what I'm most

(41:35):
interested in, especially now and what I wanted to write about
the most was the fact that he was the part owner of the
company at one time and the behind the scenes stuff that
went into that because fans never really knew.
And by the time Vince took over,you know, that was done.
He, he was bought out and everything.

(41:57):
But I mean, he spent 13 years asa, you know, 20 to 25% owner of
that company. And I also found out that he was
originally intended to be the successor he was supposed to
take over. So there was a lot of about
politics and things more than people realize that we're going

(42:18):
on behind the scenes. So that's what really put me in.
But that is unbelievably fascinating.
I had no idea. I had no idea about that.
Was there was there anything that you you learned about
Gorilla along the way that that didn't make it into the book
that you'd, you know, if you were to go back?
Oh boy, I could. I maybe got gotten this story in
there but did didn't quite make it.
I tried so much to squeeze everylittle thing I could into this

(42:42):
book. In fact, you know, I would make
a conscious effort. I talked to a friend of mine
called Tom named Tom Carlucci, and he used to work there and he
was Gorilla Monsoon's driver fora while.
And he would give me these crazyrandom bits of trivia.
Like I remember one time he toldme, you know what Gorilla like
to listen to in the car when we'd be driving in the rental

(43:02):
car. He goes Richard Pryor.
He had all these tapes of Richard Pryor and he thought he
was the and I'm thinking, man, Igot to get this in there
somewhere, but how where, you know, I got it.
This is so weird and interesting.
And I found a place. I I just squeezed it in
somewhere and I don't know. I mean, I mean, I really put

(43:24):
every again, you know, there wasactually there was one thing
that comes to mind that I just said, God, I don't know where
the heck to put this. Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby Heenan
were on. We're on Nickelodeon.
I don't know if you guys ever saw that.
I think it was, it might have been Double Dare or one of those
shows on Nickelodeon where they had them like like Gorilla, it

(43:44):
was a game show and Bobby had one kid that it was, you know,
like what was like those old shows like $64,000 Pyramid where
it's a contestant and a celebrity, right?
So you had one kid with Bobby Heenan and one kid with Gorilla,
and they're playing against eachother, and it winds up with
Gorilla and Bobby getting slimed, You know, because it's
Nickelodeon Heenan. Bobby Heenan is rolling around

(44:07):
on the floor in the slime. I mean, it's so crazy, but it
just didn't fit anywhere and it didn't make the cut, so that's
one thing. I suppose doing all this
research on Gorilla you had to learn a lot about people
connected to him. Is there anything that shocked
you from, you know, the people connected to Gorillas or
anything? Any stories that pop to you

(44:28):
from, you know, like I say, justin your research about gorilla
you had to learn more about gorillas connections.
Was there anything that popped there?
Yeah, there was actually a very enlightening person for this
process was the ring announcer, Gary Michael Capeta.
A lot of people don't may not know this because you know, in
later years, Gary Capeta, he worked for WCW and he did a lot
of other things. A lot of people may know he

(44:49):
started in the WWF. He was, but he was really
Gorillas guy. I didn't really know how
connected they were. Gorilla brought him into the
business in the 70s right out ofschool, had him on all of his
shows. And Gary as a kid, as a young
guy got to know him really well.And he he gave me so much
insight. Like, it was from talking to him

(45:11):
that I started to learn about how pissed off Gorilla was when
Vince McMahon came in and boughtthe company, that it wasn't this
smooth, happy little thing that he was angry and they had to
make him happy. That's how he got such a great
deal. And so Gary was telling me how
when it first went down, he was just miserable to be around and

(45:36):
which is not typically the case for him.
Everybody loved him. It was easy to get along with.
And Gary was telling me like he was so disillusioned because he
thought he would have this, thisnest egg forever, this piece
that he owned, he was going to pass it on to his kids and all
this stuff. I think if you think about it
today, that would be worth a couple of billion dollars if he
still had 20% ownership of that company.

(45:59):
Think about it. So, you know, Gary was saying
like you'd approach him at TV and, you know, talking to him,
what's my finish? What am I supposed to do?
Where do I go? And Gorilla would just say, you
know, how do I know? I just fucking work here like
you do. Like, like he was just, he was
just like inconsolable and they had to like kind of sweeten the

(46:20):
deal and make him happy. So I didn't know about a lot of
that. And that got me asking other
people and asking around. And in wrestling, it's funny.
People sit on these secrets and things, but when you ask the
right question, they give you the answer, but they're waiting
to see if you're going to ask the right question.
So when I started asking around,people started confirming it.

(46:42):
They were like, Yep, that is what happened.
So that was the thing I I wantedto really explore in the book.
It's, it's crazy to hear stuff like that because like you said,
like, I mean, I, I never met theman.
I didn't know the man, but when you saw him on TV, especially as
a kid, he was always like the nice guy.
He always felt like grandpa, youknow, and like, Heenan would
always give him shit, like on TVand he'd always yell at Heenan

(47:04):
or Jesse would try to like, you know, play up what the bad guys
are doing, you know, like, like,I didn't see this.
I didn't see that or call out the good guys.
And, and Gorilla would say like,hey, it's an eye for an eye.
And they'd be like, yeah, of course it's an eye for an eye.
Gorilla rules, You know, so it'skind of weird hearing that, you
know, that this, this lovable guy that we all enjoyed growing
up, like just had to go through it with this stuff.

(47:26):
Yeah. You also interviewed, you went
and talked to, I believe is his wife and his daughter Book.
What's what's it like when you approach them Like, hey, I want
to write a book about your husband or about your dad.
I want to write a book about gorilla.
How's that process? They were great and they made
the difference in this book because with the chic book, I
did not have family involvement.That was very difficult.

(47:47):
They wanted no part of it. And I, I'm, you know, I'm sorry
about that, that, that it's a shame.
I, I wish they'd been on board, but they weren't.
But this book was completely different.
And, you know, I just tried to reach out to them.
I, I found Valerie, his daughter.
She was kind of the contact person because I knew that

(48:09):
Maureen was old and not in the greatest health.
His wife and I found Valerie andI reached out to her and it was
like I had to kind of prove myself, you know what I mean,
That I was serious and that I, you know, was not looking to,

(48:29):
you know, sometimes the familiesare nervous.
Like, what do you want to write about?
And I know when she brought it to Maureen, Maureen was nervous
at first. She's very old fashioned.
And they were things like she was nervous about people knowing
about Joey Marella and his issues with drugs or, you know,
Gorilla and Maureen were both married before they married each

(48:50):
other. And Maureen, you know, thought,
oh, what are people going to think?
And, you know, I think their daughter Valerie was born before
they got married. And, you know, she's an old
fashioned lady. So she's nervous about these
things getting out there. And first of all, Valerie was
like, look, mom, everybody knowsa lot of these things already.
Like, like, you know, this isn'tlike some huge deal.

(49:12):
And I think when they met me, that's when they started really
understanding. Like I, I went over there two
different times to her apartmentbefore she passed away.
And we talked and they showed mephotos and I interviewed them
and things. And they started to see, I think
that I was serious and I was legit and I wanted to really do

(49:33):
the best job I could. And then they opened up and the
book would be nowhere near what it is without them.
I know, I know and and the guys hate when I say this.
I dabbled in commentary for a little while and I know that I
like even when it was like just a show every couple of months, I
always did my homework. I made sure I knew who the

(49:54):
wrestlers were. I knew what their back stories
were like. Maybe just some things about
them to like a pepper. And while I was calling a match,
was Gorilla the kind of guy? Did you find out?
Did he do the work or was he just like, Hey, I know
everything that's going on, thisis all going to be off the cuff
and it was always magic? I think what you have to
remember about him is he was always very plugged in.

(50:16):
So like he didn't have to necessarily do as much work
because he was just surrounded by it.
Like he was tight with vents. And, you know, he he of course
he would always make sure he wasfamiliar with the storylines and
all the wrestlers and the thingsthey were trying to get over.
But it was almost like this intuitive thing just from being

(50:39):
such an integral, integral part of the company that he kind of
knew the things to say and and what they were trying to get
over. He was very professional about
it and he was very good at ad libbing.
A lot of the people that told methat worked on prime time and
things like that would say it was just them talking like they
had a run sheet. They knew the things they had to

(51:00):
talk about and the matches and what was, and then they just did
it like they just had a natural improvisational skill that I
think a lot of the announcers today just don't have.
I know you talked about him being angry with the whole Vince
and the ownership, you know, thecompany fiasco.
Was there anything that you found out that really ticked him

(51:21):
off outside of that? Like, was there something that
you learned in your research that really set him off way?
Maybe it was an angle that he was involved in or something
that was done on TV or at a showsomewhere, or anything
backstage. Yeah, there's a few things like
that. There was a story about Dynamite
Kid hazing Joey Marella. He he drugged him and shaved his
eyebrows and his hair off. And I mean, who, you know, you

(51:45):
want to talk about a guy who's out of his mind when you know,
who's father, you know, who his father is.
Why would you do that, You know?And so he was absolutely furious
about that. I know that.
And 'cause they had to keep Joeyoff TV till his hair grew back,
he couldn't even work. So there was that and another
thing, a big one actually. So you, I don't know if you
know, but at one point Gorilla Monsoon was part owner in Puerto

(52:08):
Rico as well in, in Carlos Cologne's promotion.
And he around the time not long after he sold his ownership
stakes, he still had a good relationship with them.
And the WWF when they were expanding in 1985, one place
they were staying away from was Puerto Rico because of Gorillas

(52:30):
connection there. You know, they didn't want to do
that. But there was a guy that worked
there, Jim Troy, who was like a an assistant to Vince McMahon,
who didn't really know all the insurance and outs.
And he went ahead and he booked the show in Puerto Rico without
telling anybody. And he thought he was doing a
great thing that they were goingto love.
And Vince went along with it because he thought that Gorilla
was on board. Gorilla had no idea that this

(52:51):
was happening and it turned intoa big crazy mess.
They went down there and Gorillatried to smooth it over with
Cologne. It didn't work.
Cologne was decided to run opposition on the same night and
absolutely flattened them and totally outdrew them and it was
very embarrassing. And on top of it, Gorilla wound
up being the one who did the commentary and the ring

(53:13):
announcement for the WWF Joe in Puerto Rico.
And it was pouring rain. All right, that's what I was
going to ask you. About a mess.
A mess. Yeah, if you haven't, Yeah, If
you haven't, yeah. I mean bits and pieces of it.
I know that Savage wrestled Titoand Tito was the IC champ.
I still, I think think at the time, maybe I still and I think

(53:34):
it was topped by Hogan and Big John Studd if I remember right.
Actually, the last match that went on was Pedro Morales
because. Well, there you go.
Because it was Puerto Rico, theyput him on last and he literally
just, he called for the finish after about a minute and a half
because they just wanted to get the hell out of there.
They had about 1000 people therein a 30,000 seat stadium.

(53:56):
And, you know, they were going to use the video.
They were going to do like a Colosseum video release, like
the big event, like the Toronto big event, like a special
release. And it wound up being unusable.
I think, you know, little bits and pieces have surfaced in
places, but it was just unusable.
Yeah. So that was a big debacle for

(54:18):
sure. Yeah, if you guys, if you guys,
I, I, I don't know if HK or Brendo have seen it or anybody
out there. I think if you go on YouTube and
you search Puerto Rican downpour, like I know that's
kind of like the moniker that it's received over the years.
It's, it's, it's pretty dangerous too.
I I think it was Hogan gave Big John Stud an atomic drop and
they both went down because their feet went out from under

(54:39):
them like. Yeah, because of the mat being
slippery. Yeah, it it's hysterical.
Like the skies open and you justsee all the umbrellas go up in
the crowd. What 50 people that were on the
hard side of the camera? They had they had a big kind of,
what do you call it, like a transparent plastic tarp
basically over all of the equipment and over the announce

(55:00):
table. So the announcers were like
encased in plastic. And the producer, Nelson
Swaggler, who was like Kevin Dunn's predecessor, he was
telling me that Gorilla is underthe plastic tarp and he's chain
smoking because he's. So.
Freaking nervous and pissed off.And the whole thing is filling

(55:20):
with smoke where they can't see the monitors.
And he's just going, Gino, couldyou just please stop smoking?
And he won't. And he won't stop because he
just, he doesn't want to be there.
It it's a total disaster. The like, yeah, I mean, like a
really small crowd. It was.
It was just embarrassing. Oh, and actually, one last
detail about that was so they had Wendy Richter there and

(55:44):
Wendy Richter had Cyndi Lauper with her.
So Cyndi Lauper was. Like at the time the biggest pop
star in America in second to Michael Jackson, and she is in
the middle of this going what the.
Hell. Is happening like there's a
promotional war going on. Colognes.
People are threatening Hulk Hogan.

(56:04):
Her husband, I'm sorry, not her husband.
Wendy Richter's husband was HugoSabinovich, who was the
announcer for Carlos Cologne. I mean, it was.
It almost ended the relationshipof Cyndi Lauper with the WWF.
Wow, I forgot they were married.Wow.
Yes, jeez, it's insane. I I got to ask because these are

(56:28):
things that kind of intrigue me every now and again, especially
somebody that does such a deep dive on a on a guy like ruler
monsoon. Did you find like just basic
shit? Like shit that you would ask him
like on a first date? Like what was Gorilla's favorite
drink? What was his favorite food?
Who was his favorite wrestler? What did you find this type of
shit out about Gorilla? I did exactly that, and I found
out from I found out from his daughter.

(56:50):
And actually, it's funny you asked me that because there are
some things that didn't make it in the book.
Like I found out that one of hisfavorite movies was 1 Flew Over
the Cuckoo's Nest. So.
It's awesome. And he also loved he loved the
movie Grease and they and his his daughter said to me that he
waited and waited like he his favorite part was when Olivia

(57:10):
Newton John comes out at the endand she's all like slutty and
with the leather jacket like that was like you couldn't even
talk to him when that when that part of the movie happened, said
that she told me what brand of cigarettes he smoked cool
menthols. I wanted to know that he his
favorite thing, apparently, likehis favorite guilty pleasure,

(57:33):
like to sit down and eat was he liked to have peanut butter
sandwiches with a glass of orange soda.
OK, now, if you looked at him, you could kind of understand why
he just he ate whatever he felt like eating.
But she said this was his favorite thing.
A a peanut butter sandwich and aglass of orange soda would make

(57:54):
him, you know, the happiest guy in the world.
So I found out stuff like that, like his taste in music was
interesting 'cause, you know, hewas Italian, is Italian
American, and he came for, you know, he was born in the 30s.
So he was kind of from that generation, grew up during World
War 2 and everything. And so, you know, loved Sinatra,
loved Tony Bennett, loved Nat King Cole and all that kind of

(58:15):
music. And, you know, he would an
Italian opera too. He was a big fan of opera and he
used to be able to sing, which Idon't think a lot of people.
Yeah. So stuff like that.
So we got Gorilla Monsoon, we got Jimmy Hart, we got Mean
Gene. Like there are.
There were quite a few crooners in the WWF in the 80s.
Mean Gene was in a was in a vocal group, you know that

(58:36):
right? Yeah, well, Jimmy Hart was too,
actually. The gentry's.
I have the 45 Jimmy Hart, the Gentry Gentry.
Keep on Dancing and Mean Gene. I forget the name of the group.
I don't think they really had any success or anything, but he
did sing Gorilla, they said. I talked to a lot of people.
Unfortunately, there's no recording, but he had kind of
this baritone voice. And he grew up listening to

(58:59):
opera and to Italian folk songs.And he would sing like, he sang
at all their weddings, excuse me, at his daughter's weddings.
And. And he sang at Giant Baba's
wedding, which would be an incredible thing to witness.
Yeah. Can you imagine that?
And he sang, he used to sing, you know, in the car, in the

(59:20):
shower. He loved to sing.
And he had it, but he had a verykind of sweet baritone operatic
voice, so they said. Did he ever see himself winning
a championship? Like, dude, did you ever come
across anybody that that maybe gave a hint that he had a wish
that he would win like a a titleat some point, maybe even the
big one? I don't think it mattered.

(59:42):
You know, he was from that generation, or at least I can't
speak for every single wrestler,but for someone like him, you
know, he he was a smart guy who understood the business and the
most important thing to him was making money in the business.
And he made more money than almost anybody from his era.
So what in the world would he have to complain about?
You know what I mean? Like he he was one of the

(01:00:03):
biggest attractions. He was, he was plugged in, had
points on the company. He's not going to sit there and
go like, I wish I was the world champion.
It's just. It wouldn't be something that
I'm not saying there weren't wrestlers that thought that way.
I mean, certainly like with the N.W.A title, there was a certain
amount of prestige in the business and you wanted to be
the guy who had it. But you know, Gorilla understood

(01:00:24):
his place. Like, you know, Bruno was the
man and Bruno was steering the ship and Bruno was the
attraction. And so if you were hooked up
with him, that's where you wanted to be.
And he knew that what his place was to be the heel, to be the
challenger, Bruno had to have convincing fresh opponents.

(01:00:46):
And he wound up, I mean, to his credit, becoming one of the most
memorable opponents. And I he had more title shots
against Bruno than any other wrestler.
So, I mean, I think he was happywith that.
He understood this position I'm in.
It doesn't matter if I win the title or not.
I mean, I'm in a prime position.I think he was fine with that.

(01:01:07):
Later on, he basically became the guy to get to Bruno too for
a while, right? Yeah.
Yeah, he was one of those guys like Chief J Strongbow, those
kind of where where in his case,he'd be a special attraction
like Andre the Giant, you know, And he would either kind of be
losing to the heels who were on their way up to Bruno.

(01:01:28):
And he'd lose in a way where he'd save face and, you know,
maybe a count out or a DQ or thethe heel would cheat flagrantly
and pin him, that kind of thing.Or the other thing he would do
is beat the guys that were on the way down, like the the
people that Bruno had beaten. Then maybe they might go against
Gorilla and he'd give them one last, you know, defeat on their

(01:01:48):
way out of the territory basically.
So he had his place. But you got to remember at the
time that was happening, when hewas the babyface in the 70s, he
was already in the office. He already had a piece of the
company. So he honestly didn't want to be
that heavily involved in angles and storylines and big programs.
Like he was trying to scale it back so he could do all the

(01:02:10):
behind the scenes stuff. I, I, I know we're kind of
spoiling a lot of the book, and that's always the.
That's a huge book. I'm not.
Worried about that, I understand.
But there's always that kind of balance where like, you don't
want to give away the house. But I do want to ask you, like,
I know maybe championships weren't his thing.
He understood the business. How does the whole Muhammad Ali

(01:02:30):
situation come about? His place in it, you mean?
Yeah, any, anything behind the scenes like did he did he, was
he the one that wanted to do it?How did that you know?
How he was, he was against the entire thing.
That was a big Vince McMahon, Vince Junior idea, and he had
brought that to his father. So basically like Antonio Inoki

(01:02:53):
put all this money in front of Muhammad Ali.
Muhammad Ali said I'll do it. They were looking for somebody
to partner with in America. Muhammad Ali's manager or
somebody that was involved in his promotions was Bob Arum, the
promoter, Bob Arum and Bob Arum was friends with Vince McMahon
Junior. They had done some promotional
work together. So Bob brought it to Vince.

(01:03:14):
Vince said, I'm going to bring this to my father.
Maybe we could actually like turn this into a big thing
internationally. And so Gino Gorilla was not in
favor of this. He never liked the idea of
mixing things up with boxers or doing things where unpredictable
things could happen. He did not like that kind of

(01:03:34):
thing. So but once they were committed,
he wanted to help it try to be as much of A success as it could
be. So they had a thought because in
those days, the thinking for most sports fans, if you were a
boxing fan or if you like boxingand wrestling or whatever, the
thought was that, you know, the boxer was going to kill the

(01:03:56):
wrestler. They have no chance.
And it was like, you know, once he gets punched in the face,
forget it, especially because they're thinking, a lot of fans
thinking, well, wrestling's fake.
Boxing's not fake. So the wrestler, you know,
doesn't stand a chance. So they wanted to do something
to make fans think that MuhammadAli might actually lose.
They wanted to put that doubt infans minds.

(01:04:19):
So that's where the idea came. OK, we'll put him.
We'll have this impromptu match with with Gorilla Monsoon and
Gorilla will just manhandle him and make him look like a child,
which he did. And that was the point of it, to
put that doubt in people's minds.
And in fact, it was so convincing.
I mean, Gorilla just really likeembarrasses him and then he cuts

(01:04:39):
a promo after the match because he did.
I could have broken his arm. I could have broken his leg.
He didn't know a wrist lock froma wristwatch and all that kind
of stuff. It was such a almost like a
burial that they had to do because they were doing
promotional work all over the country in different
territories. They wound up doing this thing
where Muhammad Ali went to the AWA territory and I think Vince

(01:05:00):
went with him and they had a full on boxer versus wrestler
exhibition match. And I forget who it was against,
but it was an 8. It was an AWA wrestler and they
they had Muhammad Ali be a lot more competitive and they
actually showed clips of it on AB CS, Wide World of Sports.
And Howard Cosell is just shitting all over it and

(01:05:21):
everything but, but they did that to try to.
They were almost trying to say, OK, Muhammad Ali isn't that
pathetic. They were trying to actually
make him look halfway decent, because Gorilla had really made
him look like he was nothing. Yeah, he sure did.
I'll never forget that interviewtoo.
That everything you said just Yeah.

(01:05:41):
Poor Muhammad. Great boxer.
Terrible. Terrible as a wrestler.
And then, well, I, I'm, I'm sureyou've heard it's, it's made the
rounds where the the show. This is off on the on the side
where Enoki when he rests when he wrestled Muhammad Ali in
Japan with there's audio of Bruno talking with Bill Aptor

(01:06:05):
kind of calling the match into arecorder.
And Bruno is just like laying waste everything.
What an embarrassment the whole match was.
Well, that's what I think a lot of people don't understand is
it's it's kind of look back on sort of fondly and people say,
oh, it's the birth of MMA and all this.
I mean, that's really what people say.
But that whole thing was considered a complete disaster

(01:06:27):
at the time in the boxing world and the wrestling world.
My grandfather was a boxer and afight coach and he was kind of
in his prime in the 70s coaching.
So he remembered the whole thingreally well.
And anytime you brought it up, he was just like, oh, that was
just a mess. It was embarrassing.
That was just so stupid. I don't know why Ali did that.
Just really stupid and dumb. So it didn't have the greatest

(01:06:50):
reputation. The whole thing, I mean, it's,
it's a terrible, terrible match.It's just horrible.
Yeah, the only WWWF was the onlyone that made money, and that's
all from Sammartino and Hanson. It wasn't for that, you know, It
was probably flopped there. Too, And supposedly Vince Senior
had gone to Bruno and begged him'cause he was just getting over

(01:07:11):
the broken neck from Anson. In the hospital.
Yeah, like this show is going tobe a dog.
Like, I can't, I can't, you know, put people in a in a shoe
box for this. We need to attract a crowd.
And that's where the the Hanson Sammartino rematch came about.
And in fact, I had even had readsomewhere that there was talk

(01:07:33):
that Vince Senior wanted to takeEnoki out of it and just have it
be Ali versus Bruno because he thought that would be a much
bigger attraction in the United States because nobody knew who
the heck Antonio Enoki was in America.
But obviously that wasn't going to happen because Enoki was the
one that put the money up. So I mean, there's no way he's
going to step aside. That was the entire point of why

(01:07:55):
he wanted to do it, you know, So, but they were always
concerned about that working. And it it doesn't.
It doesn't really help that Bruno was always a giant bobble
guy either, you know? That's true and he and so is
Monsoon. The the two the two of them
would not work for Enoki. Even when the deal started up
with with Enoki in like 75 or soand they started doing they cut

(01:08:17):
ties with Baba and went to work for Enoki.
Those guys would not go over there.
They were still loyal to Baba. In fact, I think Bruno still
used to go on tours for Baba even when they weren't
officially doing business with him anymore.
Yeah, he sure did. And then Vince actually
respected that. His last Japanese match was a
tour for Baba so. Yeah, Yeah, I think that's

(01:08:40):
right. When he had his last match
against George the Animal Steelein 81, I think he actually went
to Japan after that, right, And had a couple of matches there
for Baba. I think it was like right after
that. I I want to ask just cuz on the
flip side, you I got the first day questions, right?
I got the orange soda and the the peanut butter sandwiches,

(01:09:01):
right? I got you smoking cools.
I I know what he like grease, right, they're all black, right
when she's all slewed up. I'm right with it.
Was there was there was there anything he just fucking
wouldn't stand for? Like was there?
Was there something that like I mean beyond a pet peeve, just
something that goes Nope, not happening.
Was there was did he have anything like that or did you

(01:09:21):
learn anything like that about him?
You mean in wrestling like? Something in life, man, in life
well. I'll tell you this, I mean, this
isn't like some big crazy shocking thing, but he was very,
very, very anti drugs. And you know, it was at a time
when the company was filled withdrugs, you know, so it had to be
really, really hard for him. Look, he was of his time.

(01:09:44):
He was from a generation where there was 0 drug tolerance.
I mean for anything like they would drink up a storm, they
would drink till they were on the floor, but which by the way,
Gino never did. He was not a heavy drinker, but
drugs was an absolute line in the sand.
And so when I mean by that is hewas so extreme.
Maureen told me a story that they went to the movies once and

(01:10:09):
there was a guy sitting in the back of the theater smoking a
joint. And you know, nowadays that's
like almost any movie theater you're going to.
But but but Gino got so he was so pissed off that he almost got
into a fight with the guy and hehe was ready to leave.
And I think she said they wound up just leaving and going home.

(01:10:29):
Like he didn't want to be in thesame movie theater with a guy
that was smoking weed. And actually this is this is
this one isn't in the book. Valerie told me this one Hulk
Hogan died because obviously that was too late to make it in
the book. But she said, because I was
asking like, what did what was his relationship like with

(01:10:50):
Hogan? And she told me the story about
how Hulk Hogan had a big party at his house in Florida.
This was at the peak of everything.
And everybody went down there, everybody from the WWF.
And so Gino and Maureen were there.
And at one point in the party, everybody went upstairs and they
were all doing drugs, probably coke, I don't know.

(01:11:13):
They were all going upstairs anddoing drugs.
And Gino turned to Maureen and just said, let's go home, let's
get out of here. And they just left and they just
went back supposedly to the hotel or back home.
You know, he just, he saw a lot of stuff that he didn't like and
that he had to tolerate. So I guess that would be, you
know, one of the things. Wow, fascinating.

(01:11:33):
That's some big stuff, man. Yeah, we've been chatting with
Brian R Solomon. Of course, the book is Let me
make sure I Get the name right, Irresistible Force, The Life and
Times, Gorilla Monsoon, September 30th.
So we only got a couple more weeks before that hits the
stands. September 30th in print and
digital and it already hit number one on Amazon's list of

(01:11:53):
wrestling books, which would have been only based on pre
sales. So that's why I put available
now. I want people to go look for it
right now. Can you?
Spell it. AJ Lee knocked me off there a
little bit. When she came back on
television, her book shot up to #1 But but the audio book I got
to say too, because a lot of people ask me about it because
I'm still working on it. It's going to take a little

(01:12:14):
longer to come out. So because they got to do
editing and all that stuff. So I don't have a date yet but
I'm thinking if I had to randomly guess I would say maybe
November but I don't know that for sure.
And of course, shut up and wrestle on the Arcadian Vanguard
Network. Brian Solomon's always talking
to some of the great, some of the people you may know, some of
the people you may not know. I know he likes to Pepper and a

(01:12:35):
lot of folks from the Six O 5 universe in there.
A lot of interesting characters always on that show.
It's always a great listen. Speaking of which, is any word
Six O 5 ever coming back? Kind of missed that show.
You know, everyone misses that show.
Everybody. That's the that show really
roped me in when I heard that. You know, it was unlike anything
I ever heard before. Just this magazine show about

(01:12:55):
wrestling history. And it's got the wrestling
version of Howard Stern on therewith comedy bits and
impressions. I'm just like, no one's doing
anything like this. And you know, Brian is Brian
Last is an insanely busy guy andI work for him, so I know.
And the cornet thing I know justis all consuming.

(01:13:16):
Doing Jim's shows and things is a lot of work and I know that he
wants to. I can't speak for him and from
talking to him I think there have been things in the works
like segments that he's worked on and things he's been trying
to find time for. But I, I just don't know if you

(01:13:36):
know, there's only so much time in the day.
I know he wants to do it if you'll ever find the time.
That's the whole question. Got you.
Don't forget there's a there's abook about Godzilla, there's a
book about superheroes. There's the book that we touted
a couple years ago about the original chic.
Brian Solomon covers everything.Before we let you go, any

(01:13:57):
indications anybody that you talked to that may have stirred
up the next topic that you're going to be pursuing?
I don't. I don't even want to say because
I've really been enjoying the break from books because I did
those three books right on top of each other without a break
and I'm waiting until this wholething dies down before I even

(01:14:20):
start anything. So I've thought about, honestly,
I've thought a little bit about doing a non wrestling book.
Next I might try to do a novel which I've never tried before or
a memoir like about my family. Something like a really personal
thing. I don't know if it's something
wrestling related. I'll say this one thing that
I've thought about a lot, but ittakes a lot.
It's an expensive book to produce, especially these days.

(01:14:43):
I would love to do a coffee table book.
Like an art book, except about wrestling magazines.
The history of wrestling magazines.
You know how you see those ones they do about comic books, those
big giant hardcovers and they take you through all the classic
covers and the layouts. Like I would love to do that
with wrestling magazines. But, and I've tried to pitch it,

(01:15:03):
but like I said, very expensive because it's got to be
hardcover, nice slick paper, thewhole thing, big in size.
And then they're thinking like, are enough people going to buy
this to justify the cost? So I don't know if that'll ever
happen, but I'd love to that. That's one of my top wrestling
ideas of of what to do for sure.Well that would be amazing and I
know 4 fellas who would absolutely pick up that book

(01:15:24):
just like we're going to be picking up the Gorilla Monsoon
book at Brian R Solomon on the Twitter machine patreon.com
slash Shut Up and Wrestle. Like I told you, I listen to the
show. I can't recommend it enough.
It's a great show. I can't recommend Brian
Solomon's literary style enough.Make sure you get on that
Gorilla Monsoon book September 30th and then the audio copy is
going to be coming somewhere to pick up both.

(01:15:45):
Drive around, listen to Brian. He's got a soothing voice.
Thank you, guys. Thank you so much.
Thanks for soothing us. All right.
My pleasure. Happy to do it.
Thanks again, Brian, good luck with everything.
I'm sure the book is going to dojust fine by all the
indications. And keep on keeping on brother.
Thanks for joining us. Thank you guys so long.
Thanks for having me. Thanks, Brian.
Be well, Brian Solomon. A gem in the wrestling world.

(01:16:09):
Oh, that was so great. That's so.
Amazing, he's. Awesome.
In an interview, yeah. Like I, I normally don't ask a
lot of things, but it's just so nice to like sit back and listen
to the the knowledge he has and all the great stories.
It's it's funny to meet another hour.
I don't think, I don't think I ever thought that I would have
something in common with GorillaMonsoon.

(01:16:30):
But as you fellows know, I'm a huge grease guy, huge grease
guy. So.
I'm surprised you didn't bring it up.
I love I love Grease man love this.
Big big fan. Brendo, I love grease.
Take that a bunch away. Have.

(01:16:50):
You ever seen it? Wow.
OK, you know what? Doesn't surprise me Mr. Anti.
Larry's Abisco's got no fucking taste.
You're probably a Dirty Dancing bitch, aren't you?
No, no, no, no. My grandfather used to tell a
joke like, hey, if Italy, if Italy invaded Switzerland from

(01:17:13):
behind, would Greece help? It was something like that.
It was Italy and Greece and it was always like, you know, it's.
A good line. Yeah, I wish I didn't fuck it
all up. No, that was, I think that was
the line. Yeah, Tony, I think you'll have
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His fucking tanked. His fucking tank top that he
wore kept us out of Adam's Tavern.
I got aggravated listening to you guys talk about that all
over again. Yeah, it was a it was a
situation, man. Fuck you, it's my fucking day
off. Did you go putting on a shoe
with sleeves? I think I drew it myself.
I still never been to Adam's Tavern either.
And you probably never will bro.Never will.

(01:23:08):
Yeah, because next, next year we're going to go karting and
Caribbean, right, Tony? Caribbean Why you want any
Caribbean food next year? Yeah, why not?
I don't know. I mentioned that lucha place
that I think you would like. You know, a lot of people say
that they think I'd like things.I don't like a lot of stuff.

(01:23:29):
I know you like Mexican food. I know you like Mexican
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you, what do you got on tap nextman?
What do you want? Let's see.

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Don't. Nope, I watched.
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You didn't see the return happening to AW this week?
What the return of the Mac? No, a big return that's going to
make handsome Kevin happy. Oh, you talk about the asshole
that got hurt already? Nope.

(01:24:12):
No to the castle. Oh shit, wait wait on a on AEW
Ring of Honor. AEW wow on AEW on collision,
they had a promo package promo with the outrunners out in the
jungle. Basically you know like doing

(01:24:35):
predator style and everything and they're like we they said
something and they're like oh, we need help for this and then
it cuts straight here come the boys out of the fucking jungle.
It cuts right to Dalton castle. It's ready to break some hearts,
boys. Yes, I'm in.
Do the triple son of a bitch. Son of a bitch.

(01:24:59):
I'm pumped. I'm pumped.
I got to ask you a question. I thought the boys got fired
because they were complaining about their transportation one
time. There's other boys.
There's been a million boys. I was going to say, Oh, Petey.
Brown was Petey. Brown was a boy, Yeah.
The fucking more Raiders were boys 1 show Yeah, yeah.

(01:25:20):
Milwaukee Tom's first Ring of Honor show War Machine.
Did you call them Read Dragon? Yeah, that's how I always read
it. Read Dragon.
Please write that down. You got it.
Well, I'm excited. Is he just going to be on
collision though? Oh, this was on collision.

(01:25:41):
Yeah, yeah, this was there at. All Oh yeah, they're fucked.
They're going right to fucking Ring of Honor, dude.
Wow. They're trying to pull Ring of
Honor viewers and they're like. Hey go watch but I will I will
go back and watch Collision justfor to the castle.
Where whereabouts in the show did he land?
Because he should be in the mainevent.
He was well, he was somewhere inthe somewhere in the 9:00 hour.

(01:26:02):
I mean, you can find it right onTwitter too.
They they put the whole thing up, but.
Yeah, I'm in. We got that big bill, called out
Eddie Kingston. Some cheeseburger, Eddie.
Cheeseburger ready. He's he's coming back and coming
back soon. So do you give a shit about that

(01:26:22):
or no? I do.
I love Eddie Kingston. He can make me care about
anything in wrestling like he can be.
Wrestling in a passing. Room I mean one A1 BI Love both
of them. Why do I have to?
Why do we have to be more excited for one or the other?

(01:26:44):
You know in your heart that Dalton Castle was five times the
talent Eddie Kingston wish he was.
Yeah. I don't know about that.
Oh fuck, fuck you ass you. Ass.
That was for Double T Man, that's, that's fantastic.
I'm looking forward, I'm lookingforward to seeing a little bit

(01:27:04):
to, to to the castle. I did watch a little bit of
dynamite. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. How?
How long until you turned it off?
I saw Darby put some Jack off ina bag.
Some. Jack off.
It's Gabe Kidd who they treat assome Jack off.
Like I said, he put some Jack off in a bag.
Yeah, he drives away in a truck.That that bullshit.

(01:27:27):
Why the fuck like. He.
He. Goes over and he hangs over a a
the side of a pickup truck and acts like he's fucked up and
then he turns around and he's got the rag with it.
So like he set the rag with the chemical in the truck knowing
that a certain point they were going to battle.
To the truck. And then he was going to he's,
he's going to be ready. Why are the fire extinguishers

(01:27:47):
under the ring? Why is this character?
Because there could be a fire atany moment.
He's fired. Why is the kendo stick under the
ring? It's.
Because you're going to be a karate tournament at any moment,
ome. Could break out.
Brothers live. Come on.
Don't be ridiculous. And then I watched God what?
They went into Monet Windsor. Windsor.

(01:28:09):
Yeah. Oh my gosh, she sucks.
No, that was bad. Yeah.
You think so? Does she still have 14
independent belts? Yeah. 27 and they line the ropes
with them now. Gives.
A shit, It's horrible. I get it if you if you owned a
company why would you not want one of your championships on TV,
but she shouldn't be giving themfucking publicity Dude.

(01:28:31):
This is why EW is just a fuckingother indie promotion.
There's there's absolutely no reaction either.
She comes out with they. Work with.
They work with CMLL so I get them doing that one Rev pro they
work with. Yeah, but like you hear Jack
offs going like, oh, fucking Ultimo Dragon did it.
Ultimo Dragon was witching winning major championships from
major promotions, you know what I'm saying?

(01:28:53):
Like it was like CMLL, New Japan, WWF, like there were
there were promotions everywherethat he was winning titles.
From and they were already all together when Ultimo won them
too it. Wasn't like N.W.A fartside and
fucking butt fuck Tennessee, youknow what I'm saying?
Like and the fucking Owen Hart title.
It's not even a title, it's justa fucking trophy.

(01:29:15):
Yeah, but it's a trophy. That's a title.
She really is a fucking tard. Are you excited for the other
small girl return that happened after that?
So that's I was gonna mention that.
I was gonna mention that. So you probably word that a
little bit differently. But so I didn't like the match.
I I'm Windsor. I just, I don't every time she

(01:29:37):
goes Windsor it bothers me. I'm out.
And now they got that that that chode fucking ring announcer
announcing them as Windsor. Oh, Justin Robertson.
Yeah, he sucks hard. He always has.
Not good, not good. She does this variation of the
sharpshooter that's not good at one point.
At one point they're both on thethey're both on the mat and

(01:30:00):
she's just holding both of her legs.
And it's not even like she's fighting to set up to put her in
the submission move. She's just laying back and
holding both of her legs and, and what are you doing?
Get out of here. And she, I like the thought
behind putting the sharpshooter on her with them with Monet
underneath the bottom rope and kind of using that that rope for
leverage. But it doesn't look good.

(01:30:22):
You know what I mean? Like, if you, you can, if you
can do it and make it look good.It's one thing if you do it and
it's shit, don't do it. And you should know prior to
doing it if it's going to look like shit or if it's going to
look good. Wait, do you like?
Oh, go ahead, Tony. I just want to know.
Oh, like she put on a Sharpshooter while Windsor was
under the ropes. Fucking Moan was under the the

(01:30:43):
ropes. So Windsor did it to her.
Yep, Yep. But how does that even work?
Like are the ropes even? Affect not well, not well, it
looks. Like, is she tied in the ropes?
Is her throat on the ropes? Like, no, no, Tony, Think of it.
Think of it like this. She is Monet is on the
essentially upper bodies inside the ring lower bodies outside

(01:31:03):
the ring. So she kind of puts that
sharpshooter on to use that bottom rope as would be
leverage. You know what I mean to kind of
add to the crank of the back there.
But what happens is is fucking Windsor is sitting on the
goddamn rope. It does nothing and it just
looks like hell it it was it wasfucking irritating didn't like
it that can eat a shit and then and then the match is over.

(01:31:26):
It's over. I'm done with the match and then
Rio comes out and I'm back. I'm back because I love, I love
Rio. I was not expecting that.
That shit dances on the sand. I fucking love Rio.
I mean, I know Rio, it's going to be, what was I going to say?

(01:31:47):
It's probably going to be 1 and quick, but I love seeing her
back. I've always been a big fan of
Rio, so Cheetah before Rito, I was surprised.
Cheetah versus Wait, what? Cheetah.
I was expecting her to come backand challenge Moan.
I like, I like Rio, man. I like when she, it's so

(01:32:09):
believable when she is taking. She's just she throws caution to
the wind, but not in a careless way.
And when she when she bumps, it draws amazing sympathy.
You know, I don't see her. She shouldn't be a world
champion or anything like that. I just, I enjoy her style.
I I really do. So, you know, I watched, that's
what I watched of AW. And then I had to, I had to go

(01:32:31):
away from it. But you know, the castle's back.
OK, Rios back. All right?
I might make it. I might make two or three
segments next week. We'll see Brenda fly.
I mean, they got a new commentator starting this week.
Daniel Bryan back in the OR Bryan Danielson back in the is
one of the people in the booth. So anything to to keep fucking

(01:32:52):
nards off commentary I'm from. Oh yeah, I think he is replacing
Shivani so. Oh.
Shivani, I was talking about theother daddy Nards.
Oh, what the fuck with Daniel Garcia?
Yeah. Oh, he's only on like when
Garcia is on at this point. Danny Magic.
Bad idea, bad idea they. All suck.

(01:33:16):
So we got AW the all in card shaping up at this point.
Wait, is that this weekend? No, no, it's two week.
Not this weekend. Next weekend.
Oh, then I called bullshit. There's no way this card is
shaping up with two weeks to go,no.
Here's what All right, here's what we got.
Wait, wait, wait. Four matches or no.
More or less more, really. 24AW.No, but AW is actually planning

(01:33:42):
more than fucking three matches before a pay-per-view.
Yeah, I'm surprised. So we got Hangman versus Kyle
Fletcher at the top for the world title, Cope and Christian
versus FTR, and I think that's going to actually close the show
in Toronto. Cope and Christian the first

(01:34:03):
time they fucking teamed together.
And is it a lights out hypodermic needle kick to the
big? Match.
No, it's just the tag team match.
Oh, it's a Toronto Thunderdome Stampede match.
Wait, a Thunderdome Stampede match?
Yeah. Two things I couldn't really
shit. About.
Anyway, Radian Maple syrup slam.See how we.

(01:34:26):
Oh my God, a Maple slam? Yeah.
Color me stuck for that one. Oh my God, could you imagine the
fucking money Denny's would makeputting that on their menu?
The Maple Slam. It's just a stack of seven
pancakes with a fucking big pitcher of Maple syrup and you
just fucking wobble, Wobble. They bring you fucking, they

(01:34:52):
bring you ripped butter. It's just an ice cream scoop of
butter on the top. Oh my God, that's a fucking
Maple slam dude. I want to see FTR and fucking
cope and hope fucking they're dragging each other through that
shit. I'm sorry bro.
Don't worry, I'm writing down Maple Slam right now.

(01:35:16):
We got already made it official Mercedes Monet versus Rio Rio.
Wait, she comes back and she's getting a title shot already?
Or did she win some ornament that I missed?
I'm going to say what she I guess she hasn't had any losses,
so that might put her in the number 10.
She's like two of those. She came back.
No, she hasn't. Been there since 2024.

(01:35:36):
So yeah, no losses. We got the Hertz syndicate
versus Ricochet in the Gates of Agony.
Wait wait wait wait wait wait. Ricochet in the gate So it's
hurt. Syndicate is with MJF or no?
No MVP, Bobby Lashley and Benjamin.
MV. PS Wrestling.
Yeah. No shit.

(01:35:58):
Yeah, they tried them out there for once, once or twice a year.
I might tune in for that. Yeah, we got a coffin match, Jon
Moxley and Darby Allen. Oh great, is Moxley going to go
like this when he's fucking choking again?
I hope so. We got a four way for the
women's title. Oh wait.
Storm. OK, OK, gotcha.

(01:36:18):
Yeah, versus Tecla, versus Judy Hater versus Chris Statlander.
Oh, the Buttlander and the spider lady and fucking 70s
hair. Hell yeah.
And then we got MJF versus Mark Briscoe.
Stipulation to be determined. Oh, he's going to kick him in
his Wiener. Really.

(01:36:41):
I'm excited, however I won't be able to watch.
I'll be at Slayer that night, sothat won't be happening.
Raining blood. Oh yeah, with Damien Priest
hosting the Slayer concert. Is he really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's kind of awesome.
Yeah, my son's first Slayer concert.
My first Slayer concert so should be good shit.

(01:37:02):
Is there anybody still? All the original guys are still
in Slayer. I couldn't tell you.
I just know it's Slayer and I want to be there for it.
You know, it's not, it's not like one of these like 70s duop
bands where like there's like 1 original member who's like 85
and all the other ones are like everybody's grandkids.
Well, that's what Lynyrd Skynyrdis now.

(01:37:23):
I don't even think there's an original member left in them
when they tour. Of course.
Yeah, it should be. We took We play Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Lynyrd presents. Lynyrd Skynyrd.
I've been calling them Pieces ofSkynyrd for a long time.
I fucking hate that band. Not a fan, not a fan.
Yeah, nobody. Burns a little fucking like.
Yeah. I don't even dig Free Bird.

(01:37:45):
Nope. I hate listening to it on the
radio. I hate when somebody fucking
plays it in Rock Band or on fucking festival.
Like it's just ridiculous. Yeah, I know what to do it
yesterday at next time. No you will not.
They charge you by the hour, youfuck.
No go Kart racing. Yes, oh, matter of fact, I don't
know how good it's going to be, but right down the road for me,

(01:38:06):
they're planning on building a virtual go Kart racing place.
So you don't even get in the cars.
You just fucking put on the helmet, get in the box, you're
good to go. They used to have.
I put on the helmet, get on the box a lot.
I'm joking, I don't wear a helmet.
And you're an ass. That explains a lot.

(01:38:28):
Years ago, Brenda, I don't know if you remember, at the
Palisades Mall up in Nyack, theyused to have the NASCAR
simulator. OK, Yeah, yeah, I remember that.
So you literally get in what looks like like kind of like a,
a markup of a NASCAR and there'sscreens all around you and you
just get on the track and drive and you can get, I think it used
to be up to like 16 people on the track.

(01:38:49):
Well, back in my youth when I was getting married at part of
my bachelor party festivities, my friends rented that out for
like 2 hours. It was just us.
And when you rent it out, they turn the safeties off.
So instead of just going around the track in One Direction, you
can go any which way you fuckingwant.
So I hear my brother next to me fucking throws A180, starts

(01:39:09):
going the other way. I hear.
Hi, Kenny. Bam.
Kenny had to hit the emergency button and get out of his car.
I go, Kenny. OK, Yeah, except for the part
when I fucking felt like I was going to throw up all over
myself. I did.
I was actually at a bachelor party for they have the actual
racetrack down there with the gokarts and I realized how

(01:39:33):
terrible of a go Kart driver I was where we did like 5 races
and I finished last five times. Well, that was my kid.
So you guys have about the same driving acumen.
Actually, it was him. It was him, and there was a
Karen racing. I think somebody's mother felt
bad that her kids were racing, so she joined them.
Always looked on the board. It was fucking.

(01:39:53):
It was my kid and Karen always like 15th and 16th.
Oh, fuck, yeah. I thought I was good until I
cracked my ribs. That sucked.
It was fucking the worst, the worst six weeks of my life.
Fucking. Every time I try to get up, it's
like, you motherfucker. I hope you didn't get hiccups.

(01:40:17):
No, it sucked. Hiccups, coughs, laying the
wrong way in bed, couldn't lay on my side for like 3-4 weeks.
It was just awful. You put pressure on him.
It's not bad. The minute you take the pressure
away, it's like somebody kicked you in the ribs again.
It's. Why?
Speaking of awful, you just wantto get into homework.

(01:40:38):
Oh. Fuck me.
Wow. I was going to go someplace else
with there. But oh, Brundle fly, you
assigned the homework this week.I certainly did.
Tell us why and what you assigned.
I assigned Spike Dudley versus Mike Awesome.

(01:40:59):
Guilty as charged 2000. If I had to build a top five
wrestlers from ECW, Mike Awesomeand Spike Dudley were in the top
top three every single fucking time.
Absolutely love Spike Dudley thewhole time Mike Awesome comes in
throwing people through fucking tables, just a monster.

(01:41:21):
So those guys were the best. Loved every single fucking time
they wrestled. I thought they were like
perfect. Spike Dudley was the perfect
opponent for Mike to make him just look like a fucking
monster. So I thought this match would be
just the best part of that. And you know, I wasn't

(01:41:42):
disappointed at all, but I have a feeling somebody else was by
the look on his fucking face up there to the right.
I'll just start with a comment and I'm going to let HK just
fucking run, please. Please.
Of all the wrestlers in ECW history, Spike and Mike Awesome

(01:42:02):
in your top three. Yeah.
In all history. And #1 is always going to be
taz. So Taz, Mike Awesome and Spike
Dudley, they're like, you're fucking 3.
They're like you're fucking meatballs of ECWI Couldn't go
fucking. I couldn't go Mount Rushmore.

(01:42:25):
All right, I'm going to yield. Say they're the Mount
Rushmore's, but. No, because there's only. 3.
Of them HK yield the floor to the distinguished gentleman from
Minnesota, Tony, I don't. I don't get it with Brenda fly
man. I just I I want to like him.
I want to like him. I do.

(01:42:46):
I think he's a nice guy. He doesn't watch grease, he
loves AEW. He assigned shitty homework and
then and then he tells me his his top three guys in ECW.
Are. Taz.
Mike Dudley. Mike.

(01:43:08):
Awesome. Another side I completely forgot
Spike Dudley had a girlfriend that was involved.
She doesn't have. Neath, that's Brenda fly #1, ECW
valet. No, no, she's way down the line
of. ECW no brother fly don't lie now

(01:43:28):
I couldn't like you less. Feelings mutual, pal.
What the fuck is going on over here?
I not Tommy Dreamer, no no not. Not robbing a dam, not him
either. Not Raven.
Don't even mention him because it's Spike fucking Dudley.

(01:43:51):
Fuck yeah. Did you watch HDW in the 90s?
Yeah, and I had a work. To watch EECW because we didn't
get this shit out here and I didn't work my balls off to try
and watch ECW to see Spike fucking Dudley.
Spike was in so many of the classic fucking moments at ECW,

(01:44:13):
getting thrown into the crowd, all the Dudley matches, fucking
loved him, fucking loved everything he did.
He was the Rio of ECW without the tits.
I like tits. I love tits.
Who doesn't love? Tits.
Mike didn't have tits, Tits rule.

(01:44:34):
His girls don't didn't have titseither.
I was going to ask. I don't think she had much of an
ass either. I.
Oh man. You couldn't tell she's in
overalls. Mike Awesome's Canadian too,
isn't he? No, no he's not.
No, he was part of Team Canada in WCW, but he's not Canadian.
Let's say maybe he's doing some Maple slams.

(01:44:56):
Come on, you're clanky. So I watched the promo earlier
in the in the in the event whereSpike Dudley just starts cussing
up a storm which doesn't do muchfor me.
He never cut promos before this right?
No, he never really did. Oh, they had to fucking save it

(01:45:16):
for a gem like this, right so. Like I watched that and it just
took me out of the Spike character.
Like I didn't want to see that version of Spike.
That's not who I wanted to see. I wanted to see if you're going
to play the underdog, really play up the good guy underdog,
which he didn't do. And I get it.
He's pissed off because Mike Awesome tried to make his
girlfriend look pretty. Like it didn't work, didn't
work, but it. Works.

(01:45:37):
It makes sense if he's going to cut a scathing, pissed off
promo. The guy knocked his girlfriend's
teeth out. What's he going to say?
Oh, I'm going to beat you for the title because I want to be
world champion? No, I want to fuck you up
because you fucked up my girlfriend.
Don't don't give him the mic, don't have him promo Brundle
fly. That's that's more he doesn't
have promo in this situation. He.
Doesn't have to he. Doesn't have to.

(01:45:59):
He doesn't have to. You can still keep that good guy
knowing. Knowing that he's standing up
for his toothless, titless broad, right?
That's what he's doing. Toothless, titless, broad.
Can we add that to the list? The match itself was it was a
fucking glorified squash match. He threw them all around.
Like how many times do I got to see one guy go through a fucking
table? And this motherfucker set up all

(01:46:21):
of his coffins to get buried in.Sure, sure.
He grabbed some some Jackass ringing guy to go.
Hey, help me, help me with all these.
I'm setting up tables. Help me, help me.
I'm Spike Dudley. Help me.
I I just I I. And I like I like Mike Awesome,
right? If you would have said Mike
Awesome top five, I probably would have let it slide.
But you didn't. You said Spike and Mike Awesome

(01:46:42):
top three. Unacceptable.
I like Mike Awesome. And I understand this would have
been a good match for like ECW TV, right?
This would have been a good map,but I don't think that you can
really build Spike Dudley as a viable contender against Mike.
Awesome. I don't think it can be done.
I think you can. I think you can do that and I
think they did a great fucking job on commentary building them

(01:47:05):
saying all the giants that came through ECW, Bam Bam Bigelow
beat fucking Viscera beat one man Gang beat Bubba Ray Dudley.
Like all the giants, Spike Dudley beats them.
So it's convincing that this fucking big giant of a man might
like awesome. Spike Dudley has the proven
track record where he could be the David to his Goliath.

(01:47:28):
So why didn't give it? Why didn't they give us a
glimmer of hope in this match then?
They certainly did. They didn't.
Give. Us a they they had a couple of
glimmer. He would fight back.
He gave him the acid drop to theoutside through the table.
After a low blow. Yeah, sure.
It's East CW Yeah, he had a he had a couple of, he had a couple
of hope spots. He had, he definitely had one

(01:47:51):
towards the end where a lot of people bid on.
But this? Was 12 minutes for Spike Dudley
getting his ass thrown through tables?
Yeah, more or less, but then youknow, Spike would fight back for
a bit, him with chairs and then Mike would go be do Mike things.
Yeah, HK, your favorite spot of the match because I know mine.

(01:48:12):
The end. No, no, come on, think.
About it I think probably we'll see and I I hate that he did it,
but I love when Mike Awesome jumped to the outside and fell
on his ass. Yep, correct.
Like his feet went out from under him.
I thought he cracked his skull. I was like Mike Awesome just
died. Well you shouldn't be doing this

(01:48:33):
shit anyways. Like you're a monster facing
this this, this fucking little guy just probably beat the shit
out of him. I I, I fucking hate fucking twat
nose on this fucking thing with Joey Styles.
But I will give them credit whenthey called and they said that
this was one of those things where Mike awesome doesn't do
things like that, but when he does, you know, you take a big

(01:48:56):
risk and you know he fucking probably cracked his skull.
So was it worth it? And they it fed it fed into the
story better than other shit. Like when fucking Cyrus just
yells at Joey goes then shut up.I would have been like yo fuck
you and your mother dude. I mean, that's what they were
doing at that point, yeah. But you yell shut up at the guy

(01:49:16):
like, like I understand you wantto like get one over on him, but
like, why would you just try to embarrass your fucking your your
the guy in the booth with you atthe same time, you know what I'm
saying? Like Jesse would call out dumb
shit, like he wouldn't fucking tell Gorilla Monsoon to fucking
go fuck himself, you know what I'm saying?
I mean they kind of paid that off pretty soon after this too
with Gertner and Styles. I believe they beat the shit out

(01:49:39):
of I don't know, Cyrus pretty soon after this.
Yeah, but we don't need gimmick stories in the booth.
Like I hated when fucking what Michael Cole was doing that shit
with Jerry Lawler and you know, they had the shit with Taz and
fucking and Jim Ross and shit. Like, I don't, I don't dig that
stuff, you know? I mean, that's what Cyrus was.
He was the network guy in there.I'm not saying it's good.

(01:50:00):
I mean, you know, that's what hewas doing and that's what that
was Paulie's way of getting backat the network for fucking them
over. How long was the build to this
I? Don't know, probably at least a
month or so. Really.
Interesting. Yeah.
OK, All right. I don't know.

(01:50:21):
I just, I'm not anti Spike. I'm not anti Spike.
I like Spike, not top three CW, but I like Spike and I like Mike
Awesome. But at no point when I was
watching this match was there anything that stuck out to me
where I like, I really was like,all right, now, now I'm in and
it's was it even 12 minutes? Yeah.

(01:50:43):
Yeah, it was OK. Yeah, 12 minutes fell the bell.
For sure, and it seemed like it seemed like kind of a let down
to end the card with with a match where Spike just gets his
ass kicked. And then like I I wanted real
true hope spots throughout the match and I never felt like I
got anything that made me believe that Spike was going to
be in a position where he he could win the match.

(01:51:05):
So in your main event with the, with the belt on the line, with
the monster, with this guy that's supposed to be the the
guy that knows how to beat the monsters, I wanted something
that I could really believe thathe and I just never got it.
And stories recently were that Paul, he wanted to put the belt
on Spike, had he not gotten hurt.

(01:51:26):
Yeah, he I believe it's this match where he busts his leg and
Paulie told him afterwards, likehad you not been hurt, I
probably would have put the belton you instead of Taz.
So I would have fucking love that.
One thing I'll say about Mike Awesome too is I always say like

(01:51:46):
when we watch the ECW matches, how great the ring sounds.
It just makes everything he doeslook even more brutal.
The sound of that ring, every slam, every fucking splash,
everything. The clothes lines looked
awesome. Yes, the first one he almost God

(01:52:07):
damn took his fucking head off. Like you could tell it was not
low. I mean, it's hard for a six,
eight guy to get low on somebodylike Spike Dudley, but man, look
like he fucking murdered him. Yeah, that last one too, right
before the finish, before he power bombs them off too.
It was just another one where hejust takes his fucking head off.
Was it, what was the movie did to the outside?
I don't think it was the acid drop.

(01:52:27):
I think it was later where they were like, now he's got to get
Mike Awesome up as Mike Awesome's getting up on his own.
That was no, that was the acid drop through the the table.
He's choking them with the wiresand everything.
Oh, man, I was when he was choking with the wires.
I was so worried because one of the legs of the table, when it
broke, it went straight up and Iwent, well, somebody's getting

(01:52:50):
their ass fucked on that. They're getting their ass fucked
on that. That that's one thing that
worries me about those type of spots.
When you get the the legs of thetable in spots they shouldn't be
as like somebody's got to clear that shit.
This is this is a safety concernhere.
But yeah, it's not. I don't know how Brundle fly.
What about this? Did anybody get double the
double T? Send notes about the homework.

(01:53:11):
Fucking hand job that. Fucking asshole.
I I mean if if you sent an e-mail, I probably deleted it
anyway. No one the no one the champion
or the ECW fan he is. I have a feeling he would enjoy
this. All right, let's give him the
benefit of the doubt. Let's say Matt goes thumbs up,
HK, I'm going to let you go. What are you calling on this

(01:53:33):
one? Do we keep the streak?
Is the streak over? Come on, let's keep it going.
Can't. Do what Brendo fly can't do it,
man, I just I needed I needed more I needed more belief in in
spike Dudley in the match. I never got the belief that he
was going to I mean even some some some sneaky, some sneaky

(01:53:57):
get on top and actually fire up like I just I never felt that
throughout the match. You.
Don't think when he was outside and he's hitting him with the
chairs over and over again, he'sfiring up.
No, because the the crowd didn'teven give a shit about this
match. I think the crowd even knew it
was a foregone conclusion. Yep, Yep, absolutely.
Yeah. I'm a, I'm a downer.
I'm a. Downer, I'm not going to be as
harsh, as harsh as HKI. Think like this was a mistake

(01:54:19):
putting this on pay-per-view. I think this would have been a
fine TV main event. I could see Spike winning the
title in a different universe. Not on pay-per-view.
Then again, this is also ECW andnot such a great time.
However, I will say like I enjoyed a bit of the match, it
didn't go completely over for me, so I'm going to go in the

(01:54:41):
middle on this one. I'll take that.
And I feel like at this time, Mike was running out of
challengers at this point too. Yeah, he was.
You had, yeah, the impact players and Dreamer and Raven or
all like, what was I going to say?
All like, cuddled up together? Yeah, because it's gone.
Yeah, well, that's the thing. Taz is gone.

(01:55:01):
The Dudleys are gone. Like a lot of guys are just
fucking wandering around now. And yeah, and ECW is struggling
to bring up some of the new guyslike the Carino's and the
fucking CW Anderson's and shit like that.
And a lot of those guys, as muchas the following they had, they
weren't getting over to the degree that the original ECW
stars were over. They just, they just weren't.

(01:55:22):
They weren't. It was a very tough time for
ECW. And one more question, why the
fuck did this show end like 20 seconds after Mike Awesome one?
Like the show only ran 2 1/2 hours.
What was the rush? It was probably they had to be
off the air at that point. It was just, you know, it's the
pay-per-view, it's a pay-per-view time.

(01:55:42):
So they probably just literally had to be off the air at that
point. And now that's Mike Awesome's
WWE music, right? Because he used that music for
for if not barely legal for a one night.
Stand one night. Stand.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I believe that was his.
Yeah, and, and Spike I, it kind of sounded like highway to hell
a little bit, if you really think about it.

(01:56:03):
That hurt. That one hurt because I love
anytime I'd heard his music. But it also hurt like him
cutting an interview and him like having these assholes point
tables. Like like, why wouldn't you just
make it a fucking tables match and just say like, look, ECW was
always known like it's a ladder match.
There's not a prize at the top of the ring if the ladders are
in play. Like that was the ladder match.

(01:56:24):
You can use the ladder to do whatever the fuck you want.
You can jump off, you can beat the shit out of each other with
it. That was the ECW ladder match.
Why didn't they just have an ECWtables match?
You don't win by going through atable.
We just put a shit ton of tablesbecause Mike Awesome wants to
murder people. That's fair, Yeah, as long as it
doesn't end it like the two out of three tables or something
like that. That's fair.

(01:56:45):
And if you want to have Spike cut a promo, have them cut it on
TV like the week before the pay-per-view.
And he's like you. He's like you put everybody
through tables. He's like, I'm going to make
your life easier. I'm going to have them put
tables at ringside. But you better watch because
I've been known to put a few menyour size through a few tables
myself. And if I put you through one,
it's going to be lights out or some shit like that.

(01:57:06):
Give me something. You know what I mean?
I said it just like you. You come over here, help me
carry this. Like it just accentuated the
fact that Spike was just kind offucking lost, you know, like,
oh, I need your help. I will say, I will say too, this
was actually, I scrambled for this one.
This was actually my third choice because I had two YouTube

(01:57:29):
videos saved and oh, don't spoilthem.
No, no, they're gone. They got taken off the fucking
YouTube. Oh.
They're coming back so well. I've got.
Two, I got the two killers from last time, but go ahead and let
us know. What you had, I had.
I had Roderick Strong versus James Gibson in ROH and it was
Gibson's farewell match and whatwas it?

(01:57:53):
The Steiners and Vader and Bam bam from New Japan and it got
fucking taken down. You should have went with that
one bro. If it was on there, I absolutely
would have, but yeah, fuck yeah.Speaking of Fluke, man.
Takes everything down so. Well, handsome Kevin with the

(01:58:15):
streak starts anew. Yeah, what's boring?
Fucking Larry's Abisco match. Are we watching this week?
It's going to be Larry's Abisco against fucking Bobby.
Listen to this guy, Listen to this guy.
We, we, we are going back to theECW Arena.
Oh no, but this is going to be some fucking other show.

(01:58:35):
Just wait. Just wait.
We are going. PD Brown wins some fucking
independent title of. This we're going the ECW Arena
South Philadelphia on September 7th of 2008.
Yeah, it's PDB and Stonehenge for the fucking go fuck yourself
title. No, it's fucking WWECW.

(01:58:56):
It is Shakara. All right, wait, wait, wait.
I'm starting to moon stem go for.
It it is. Claudio versus Brody in a steel
cage all. Right, you brought.
Shakara and Shakara. Yup.
No title, no, no champion de champion or whatever the fuck it

(01:59:18):
was. Yeah, Champion Day, you know,
it's the Ant Hill Championship it.
Didn't have a a singles title until like 2000 Until the 2000
tens I think. And who was their first singles?
Champion Eddie Kingston, Baby I.Actually went to the C
Burnettico and they had it. I, I, I forget who the fuck won,

(01:59:38):
but it was, it was the big deal was it was team Jakara, which
was Eddie Kingston captaining and team Ring of Honor, which
was Kevin Steen and Eddie beat Kevin Steen to eliminate him
from the C Brunetico. That was a hell of a show.
I had a ton of fun at that show.That's not surprising.
Their C bruneticos were fucking great.
They're young lying cups. They're you.

(02:00:00):
You just look at some of those trios cups that they had.
Oh they had a bunch of trios matches I want to say like X POC
and I forget who was on his team.
Maybe Justin? It was, I think it was X POC,
Yeah, it was like the Minnesota crew.
I think it was X POC with Eric Cannon and Darren Corbin and

(02:00:20):
they fought like. Kool-aid Man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they fought like Hakushi and
Saske and I think some Dick to go.
So yeah, a lot of that was this.They had one where it was
fucking Demolition and the one man gang were a team wrestling
on this. The fucking guy in the front row

(02:00:43):
has an Akim hat and they got himthe dance in it.
Yeah, this was it. Team Eddie Kingston.
Team Kingston was Eddie with three-point O, which was Scott
Parker, Shane Matthews, Tim Donst.
I remember Gran Gran Akuma and Fright Mare, Hollow Wicked and
Ultramanthus Black. It's a big team.
Takes on Team Steam, Kevin Steam, The Bravado Brothers, The
Briscoes, The Jacksons and JimmyJacobs.

(02:01:07):
What a fucking team dude. That's amazing.
I don't think, like, I don't think I've ever sat down and
watched Shakara and not been entertaining, like not been
entertained by what was in frontof me.
There's always like an element of fun somewhere along the way.
And there was always an element of good wrestling and there's
always an element of personality.
Like it was a It was a fun promotion, man.
It really was, yeah. It made a lot of people these

(02:01:30):
days had to had some roots in Shakara so.
Well, quacks got a hell of a mind, man.
Hell of a mind. Too bad it's too bad it's
untouchable these days. You can't touch it.
I wouldn't. Nobody's going to touch his mind
in these days. Can't touch quack.
Can't touch quack. Go, go, go, go.

(02:01:56):
I'm actually going to see some of those you mentioned that like
the Legion of Rock guys. This weekend I'm going to Jeff
Cannonball tribute show in New Jersey this weekend they got hit
a bunch of those guys on it, so really looking forward to that
one. Did I ever tell you guys I
called the Tim Donst match? Love Tim Donst you ever see that

(02:02:19):
clip of Brodie Lee kicking his face off?
No. Oh, I got to show you, it might
have been the best big boot I'veever seen in my life.
You know who trained with BrodieLee when he was a young
whippersnapper up and coming. Would that be you?
No, Kayla sparks me I. Don't know.

(02:02:41):
Yeah, I don't know what else we got.
What the fuck is, oh, the pirates coming back?
I think I know. Does that mean something?
Hey, do we have anything else wewant to talk about?
I was all everything else was wrestling TMZ this week, Ronda
Rousey, blah, blah, blah. I'm the best.
Everybody sucks. Yeah, she didn't want to wrestle
Alexa Bliss. Yeah, God forbid she wrestles

(02:03:03):
the person that's make selling the most merch at the time shit.
Yeah. She needs to eat a big shit off
of Vince McMahon's coffee table.Yeah, I'm with you on that.
What else we got any any other little juicy tidbits and things?
JJ Rogue making any appearances No.
No, no, no. Well great then we suck.

(02:03:29):
Don't forget to join the Patreon, Brundlefly and Double T
Watched me calling a match for Tier 1 wrestling with the great
Trevon Adams from EVOLVE. And of course the next episode
of The Rogues Indie Chronicles is coming out on the 15th.
That's next Monday actually. It drops why we got a big.

(02:03:49):
We got a big tease. We got a big tease for next
month's episode as well. Big.
All right, well, don't We didn'tget to this month's episode yet,
so let's, you know. They're going to want to come
back after this one. That's for.
Sure. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah. So join the Patreon if you're
not a member. And all that other happy
horseshit. And with that, we cue the music.

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For everything Shining Wizards, visit shiningwizards.com and
don't forget to listen to all the great shows of the Shining
Wizards Network. Sorry, I got to do match job
tonight. The executive producers Manny
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Hammond, Keith Parker, David Henry Bowie.
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Good night, Diana.

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Anybody got any sound effects they want to pretend to make?
Night, night. Horny gotta go well.

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