Episode 761: The Cuck Chair in the Hotel Room

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None. All right, it is episode 761 of
the shine and Wizards podcast and if we got a show for you NXT
showed us no mercy last week andwe got everybody's favorite
bridge Kate the great the show up tonight.
Let's have talk about it. TNA had a bunch of shit that

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went on. Boy, was it ever AI forgot what
they called. They even called their event.
Naya Jacks tried to kill somebody again, so let's just
get right into it with some wrestling talk.
And talk about wrestling. Brundo.
Double T. Handsome Gravin.

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Tony, what is what is he doing down there?
He did he really, did he really just say something in the
microphone like we would hear him?
I saw his his head move. Forward.
Like he was doing something. It's like watching his shitty
football team fucking tie the shitty Cowboys.

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Wait, the Cowboys tied this weekend?
Yeah, Cowboys and Packers. Yeah, it's like kissing your
sister. He's, he's doing some, he's
doing some production things. He'll, he'll be joining us in a
second. He's still, is he doing banners?
I can neither confirm nor deny an answer to your question.
He does get very creative with the banners.

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He takes his his role very seriously and I appreciate that.
No, we all do. Much respect to Handsome Kevin.
Yes. How you guys doing tonight?
I chose a different pair of glasses.
So like, I'm seeing everything on the screen reflected back to

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me. So I'm other than that, I'm
doing OK. Oh, what are your fucking four
eyes over there? Yeah, I don't know.
This this was my spare pair, 'cause I couldn't find my other
pair, which I never wear these. So they're like nice and new,
but they're not you. Should probably wear your
glasses to find them. I know where they are.
I was too lazy to fucking get them.
And these were closer, so I was like, yeah, let me put these bad
boys on. That's fair, that Brendo.

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How goes it in your neck of the woods?
Oh good, good. Had a great weekend.
You know, watch my son slowly become a rock star.
So, you know, great times. What when do we have to start
worrying about, you know, when he's out there getting this
strange and staying out all night.

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We still a couple years away from.
That yeah, still a couple years away.
I get in at least another 2-3 years and then I'll worry about
him. All right, why did you do?
Why you wouldn't? He's a good.
Kid. Nah, he's a good kid, don't have
to worry. I mean, he's watched.
There are plenty of things he's watched and heard me scream and

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he never repeats it. So.
You know what I like hearing people scream.
Here comes the serpent of pleasure.
This is a bit of pleasure. What a fucking mess, man.
What a fucking mess. Good evening everybody.
Hello, this is a bit of pleasure.
How are you? I'm fucking, I'm fucking I'm,
I'm, I'm in this, I'm in this state of confusion, man, I'm on

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like 3 hours of sleep. I'm fucking beat.
I didn't sleep at all this weekend and I fucking I take, I
took all my lunch break right todo the banners and I, you know,
I found, I found different things to put in there, right?
And I fucking come, I come home,I grab my laptop off the kitchen
table, I bring it downstairs, I pop it open.
I was like, man, these are goingto be great.
You know, it's not fucking there.
The God damn banners, they're gone.

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So I'm trying to piece together.They got, I got nothing like I
had them before. It's a mess, but I'm I'm happy
to be here. How are you guys?
Groovy. Yeah.
Awesome. Groovy.
My wife put in a my help. My wife put in a a new fan.
Nice. Got a?
It's got a remote ready. Oh hey, you got you got some

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variable speeds on that remote. Oh yeah, yeah, I can change the
speed. It's fantastic.
I got the the the gentleman. Or in the basement putting in a
new furnace. So if you heard a bunch of
banging and clanging, it's not me getting buffed, Dude.
Banging and clanging are not 2 words that I associate with you.
Double T. Maybe you should.

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Oh yeah, yeah. What if I got buffed, bro?
What if I got jacked? Hell, we got a new Buffy Bags
over there. Yeah, how many legs you got
right now? Two brother.
Not for long if you get buff. I, I, I do, man.
I got to tell you guys, if you like the Brundo HK vehicle

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that's part of the Patreon, you're going to love me.
And Tony just started a a new venture, a new journey.
And Speaking of people with no feet, I found an e-mail in the
old Shining Wizards e-mail wherewe tried to book Kamala and he

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said thanks but no thanks. But here's how you can get an 8
by 10 if you send us some money.Me and Tony have uncovered that.
And there's so many more gems. And it will be part of the
Patreon in October. So definitely, if you are on the
fence about signing up $3 a month, you will now get the
history of the Shining Wizards, The Rogue Indie Chronicles.

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I mean, come on. Oh, and I guarantee they ask
for. I guarantee next month's
episode's going to be a the fucking hitter, man.
It it's going to be a wild ride next month's.
Dude, every episode you guys have done have been a fucking.
They've been hitters. It's been an amazing.
Journey already, I look forward to it every month so recording I
can't wait. Now, is it weird for the two of
you to go back and listen to it?See, like I can't wait.

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Like I know like on the 15th when it drops, like all the
other shit that I'm going to listen to, just it gets pushed
so. I I haven't actually listened to
any of them, but the first one Iplayed, I played the first one
for my wife because she's like, well, I really got to hear this.
And there's some things that shefound out, which is kind of
interesting. And then she goes.

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But yeah, it's funny. And your wife doesn't support us
on the Patreon? No.
Dude my wife don't listen to shit either.
Don't give H my wife doesn't either.
I was just, you know. Hey, Brando's wife's in the
chat. No, after, after I listen to the
first episode, she goes, you know, I might sign up to Patreon

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because I'm kind of interested in hearing the rest of these
episodes. And I was like, you could just
ask me questions. Sticks episodes later.
I mean, she has to fucking talk to you.
Oh, that's not very kind. I'm going to go work on banners
again. You guys have fun with Golden
Gate, Kate? You guys keep saying hitters.
I thought that was a segue. Can we stop?

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You said it bro, not me. What are you?
That's your girl. Did someone say hitters there?
It. Is oh please.
Write that down. Hi fellas.
Fucking dust off the Yankees shirt, huh?
That's nice. Real fucking cute.

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Bro, the Mets suck. What are you going to do?
It's over. My season's still alive.
So I'm still be ornery about it,Tony.
Yeah, but three months ago you're like, oh, the season's
over anyway, who cares when the playoffs are coming?
And he was right. Did I know or did I know?
Yeah. Well, three months ago the
Yankees season was over too, so they just managed to pull it

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together at the end. But.
Yankees almost won the Pennant. I know, but like I can't get
excited about it because Aaron Boone is going to put in a glass
of milk in the 7th inning to pitch for us and like just.
Reference. I don't, I don't get it.
Would it be mommy's milk? It could be.
It could be the mother's milk. You got to get into the clitter

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box to get mommy's milk there. It is there it is.
I left mommy alone with the furnace guys downstairs.
Oh shit. You get everybody.
Clean too. Mommy's wow.
Mommy's milk double tea? What the fuck is going on?
That's Marina Shafir's finisher.We don't watch AW so we wouldn't

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know. I know you don't, but if you
want to talk anything about AW Kate your gal Wednesday nights
right here on the shining Lizardnetwork, the a show, if I dare
say so Wow, that's. A.
Whole different tune than you sung last week, Tony.
I thought it was the D show but.You mean the double D show?
It's the AEW show, so there you got you got that going on.

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These guys, right? Guys, how we?
Doing. I apologize for these pigs.
Nothing but a bunch of animals Iwork with.
It's. So funny when you pee pee on me
when you animals. Yeah.
Woof. Nothing is.
It's not AI. It's not AI generated people.
That's a drop from Tony's mouth.No, it's not.

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That is so for real I. Don't know what you guys are
talking about. Kate, how are you?
I'm doing all right. I beat COVID for like the 100th
time, so you can't see me. My time is now and and the
whatnot, but I'm doing all right.
How are you fellas? COVID 5 times huh?

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Yeah, so you not? Fun send your body to science
one day or. You know, it's so I've had every
strand of it basically. So like if it mutates, then I
get it. But like I, I didn't have long
term ramifications about it until the last time I got it.

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So tomorrow we go to the gym andfind out what this last time to
to be, which will be an interesting time, but but we're
here, we're happy and I'm on theright side of the soil, right?
So can't be, can't be too bad. It's a macabre way to put it,
but OK, we'll take it. Well, glad you're better.
Yeah. Well, I, so it's very odd

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because like long COVID looks very different in a lot of
people. Like my sister still has long
COVID cause the spike protein isstill very high in her system.
I know people that have like severe neurological issues.
I have had lung issues. So that's going to be like the,
the big towel tomorrow. I'm going to get on a treadmill

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like an 80 year old and see, maybe I'll go walking at the
mall, see what, see what my lungs are up to.
But, but yeah, we're, we're dealing with it.
But you know, we're here. We're living.
We're living. I, I didn't get to see all of
you at the BBQ. That was the last touch point
that I had. But I only got to see.

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You didn't get. COVID at my house, did you?
No. No, no, no, no, I don't.
I probably got it in Philly at AW, but it's it's on the rise
right now. Like, because Philly's
disgusting. Bunch of animals with no
showers. Oh not fucking worst place in
America. If they were going to drop a
bomb anywhere, it should be Philadelphia.
What I I think of like, oh, where's like a clean, safe

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environment. I'm not like the 2300 arena in
Philadelphia. So you.
Can. Always head up to Kensington.
Well. But it's what's my like.
My neighbor had it too but we didn't even see each other
because he had it the entire week before I had it.

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It's just backing on the rise, but it feels a lot less brutal
this time around. So so we'll see how we're doing,
but but we're fine. How's how's the gang?
How are you fellas? Great, I didn't get hit by a car
this week so I'm fucking Things are hooking up.
That's great for you. I did get, I did get access to

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some some wrestling via mat, some old school Google Drive
wrestling that made me very, very happy.
I have to go back and watch moreof it when I don't have a fever,
but that was a a welcome thing to dive into while I was just
sitting around sniffling for a while.
So I I had some fun with that. I'll tell you what I dove into

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and I don't think I was mentallyprepared to do it.
I watched NXT on Tuesday. I'm sorry.
Yeah, man. Oh my God, he's the fucking
he's. Awful.
He's so bad. I don't know how anybody could
have watched Smackdown this weekeither.
Why was he on Smackdown too? Wasn't he?
Or what? Yeah.

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Graves is still selling the effects of the F5.
Holy guacamole man it's I haven't watched NXT in a in a
long time right, but they did the invasion thing right and I
was like I want to check this out NXT is AI don't like it.

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I don't like it. The show is way it's it's way
too fast. It's like nothing gets to
marinate. It's just like segment to
segment to segment to segment. And some of them are like real
goof. Like like it puts AW to shame
Goofy. Like, Oh yeah.
It was and then I, I don't, I, Idon't know.

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I just was not like, I was very excited for for this, this
invasion thing that we're doing.But then when like every person
from TNA that is in the crowd just got released from WWE Like
this is, I mean, I guess it is if you compare it to like the
NWO or like Hall and Nash that just left the WWF and like they

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were taking over. But it was like, well, Cedric
Alexander was just here And, andthis the, the, the inspiration,
the inspiration was just here And, and this person was just
here. I don't know.
I was excited for it. But now I'm kind of like, I'm
really rooting for Mike Santana.That's really it.

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Well, so it it's a really trickything because pray for me.
I do watch NXT every Tuesday, unfortunately, but there I
didn't like the execution of what happened at all.
And then on top of it, it does feel really weird when you're
like anybody that's working at TNA would take a baseline WWE

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contract in a second because of the pay and what it can do for
you. Like I I remember on a Kevin
Owens was on Cody Rhodes podcastand he was goofing.
But he made a good point in that, like Matt Cardona's whole
indie God thing doesn't really work when you keep talking about
how you would go back to WWE andthey don't know what like he's

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like. For a guy who loves the Indies,
he sure talks about how he wants.
To be here a lot. And I agree with that.
And I always felt like you're also in TNA, so you're not
really like the Indy God. I get what he's doing, but like,
he's talked so much about WWE. He's constantly, it's not his
fault either. He's constantly asked about it,

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right? His wife is there.
He's working in TNA without a contract.
And he's the one kind of like leading this charge.
Apparently Macklin's the only one that actually feels kind of
like in TNA proper to, to be here.
And I think some of that is well, to his credit, he was
like, I'm not working for Vince McMahon and he left WWE because

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of that. And he he's really set down
roots in in TNA and, and feels like he's a part of the product.
Everybody else that was there, to your point, feels like they
just got released from there a couple minutes ago or whatever.
And then on top of that, the execution was honestly comical
because the whole staff, I'm going to write a strongly worded

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e-mail about it and show up in aweek from now.
They're all like writing their tweets on Twitter.
They show up, Ava's not there, she's in London.
So your child's GM, you're like,you're very, very young.
GM is in England. They all are backstage hanging
out. And I'm still supposed to
believe that NXT is surprised that this happens during the

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main events? Like it unfolds so poorly.
And then on top of that I'm likeany of these people would be
happy to be on the TNA roster unless like Cardona can deliver
the promo of his life about having resentment at WWE for not
re signing him or whatever. Maybe that could salvage it.
But like the person that reviewsTNA had playful Joel was like it

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just feels like the cock chair in the hotel room is the only
thing TNA has going on for it because even at Victory Rd.,
they have Kehlani winning the vacated title.
So I think the only encouraging thing that you get out of this
right now is TNA has planned dates for Orlando.
So you hope that it kicks back to their TV product in in due

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time here. But it's that both the execution
and the nature of it have just not not clicked for me either,
Matt. Yeah, it's, I mean, I don't know
if you guys saw any of this, I told.
Some of it I don't believe. I don't believe for one second
TNA is going to win any of this stuff.
No, not they didn't win anythingat their own fucking

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pay-per-view two months ago. Yep.
And and and look and I love I love Mike Santana.
I think she should be the fucking face of TNA.
But like even the whole thing was goofy.
They do this big invasion thing,but then the show ends with
fucking Ricky Starks and Oba Femi.
Like, it's like, it's like the invasion is an afterthought.

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If the. Show goes off the air and the
last thing you see is Ricky Saints and Obafemi both like
holding the MXT world title and I I it's just the whole thing is
weird placement with with the pay-per-view PLE whatever we're
calling it Saturday and like then them announcing that
they're gonna do the invasion show on October 7th, which is

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another date that has the Tuesday night AW show like.
Yeah, man, he's the fucking hero.
Oh yeah, man. Yeah, it's.
It's your point about the rest of the NXT product too, Like
this Invasion angle isn't great.I have so many issues with the
NXT product for kind of across the board.

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Like their presentation is, is something that never resonated
with me. But it is so brutal when it's
like and we have this LFG personshow up and Evolve and TNA.
I'm like, are you going to focuson your own roster of anybody
that actually works here at somepoint?
Cause it feels so like you said,like everything goes way too
fast. Nothing can kind of say even

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like I'm really happy for for Ricky Stark Saints and I think
if Oba family is going up to themain roster, like he could be a
mega * if they treat it right. But that being a one and done
also feels kind of like like Ricky was just like I'm going to
climb the mountain that is Obafemi.
And then he just did. And it's kind of like, man, I
wish we had like a trilogy out of that or something.

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Like I think there was a lot more meat on the bone with that.
But yeah, it, it's so funny withinvasion angles 'cause I'm
always excited for them and theyalmost never work.
Like I, I like my heart wants them to work 'cause I love
interpromotional stuff, but like, they're almost always
really bad. I can think of. 11 In the entire

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history of wrestling, that worked, and that was ROH and CZW
in the mid 2000s. That's it.
Sure, yeah. It's so, it's so weird too.
There's like, there's a playbookon like.
It's right there. What?
Yeah. I don't know.
It's just like they're gonna like, I mean, we are gonna get

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into No Mercy probably after youleave Kate.
But like Ava makes this big announcement and then like who's
going to captain? Who wants to captain the women's
team? Lash legend, not the NXT women's
champion, No lash lash legend who wasn't even on the PLE.
She just did a running spot. Like, I don't know, I don't

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watch enough NXT, but like. Not so Ruka that has two belts
too. And would serve the story of
Zarya getting more jealous of her like to like there's there's
so many directions they could have gone.
Lash is someone I've noticed like she she has a lot of
upside, but she's someone who needs consistent reps on

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television too. Like there's there's some
wrestlers that just if they're in a groove where they're
wrestling 4 weeks in a row, theylook better.
And she's one of those. And her presence is very
sporadic on on NXT, unfortunately, But it's it's a
rough it's a rough product. And it's a shame because I
actually felt like it, it got better around the time that they
signed that CW deal. And much like the rest of WWE,

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it feels like once the money gotthere, they just kind of got
really lazy about the the way they went about business.
And I also feel like like JCJ and someone's that that's been
there six years, right? Is she going to lose and get
called up? Where does she go?
Because these main roster handoffs haven't been great.
Look at Carmelo Hayes, right? Like what what happens with

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Obafemi? I'm hoping he he beat Sami Zayn.
I think that could be a really cool way to go about stuff.
But like Ethan Page and Ricky St. shouldn't be in NXT like
they should be in your men's midcard right now.
Like so it's it's a little tricky too of NX TS always had
this problem to an extent of like when you are a hybrid

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television product and developmental program, what that
kind of looks like. So I, I'm, it, it's, it's the
trickiest to watch on a weekly basis.
And then there's also things that are incredibly rewarding
about it 'cause you'll watch Kalani Jordan going from being
like a great gymnast to like, Ohno, she's a wrestler now.

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Like you saw her become ATV wrestler if you watch.
Stuff long enough. And and it's, it's just the,
it's the weirdest little product.
Yeah, you also have to know the drop like the black and gold era
with like Shinsuke and Sammy andOwens and Joe and and Gargano

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and Chiampa and Andrade like. Horse women.
Yeah, all of it. Like.
Yeah, Sasha and Bailey and Beckylike it was bound to drop off
and and and boy did and then they did the weird thing where
they like they changed like the NXT 2 point O like.
The 2.0 era was as close as willcome to modern day Restalicious.

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I fear so. That's.
Like. I don't know, wrestalicious
baby. And then we're like, we're doing
an invasion. But did wasn't the dark state
thing like an invasion? The dark state, that's so weird
man. Like they showed up, they
attacked an assistant GM and wrote no one is safe and blood

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on their wall and then just likejust kind of hung out for a
long. Time we weren't.
Fucking backstage segments Tuesday night.
Just like hanging out with everybody and Joe Hendry.
Yeah, man. So you mentioned Santana, and
this is the other problem with this TNA invasion angle is it's
like Joe Hendry's obviously going to WWE.

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Santana, I think is a free agenteither next month or at least at
least by the end of the year, ifhe hasn't resigned already.
So it's like, are you going to give him a title reign or are
you going to give it to him for two months?
Because WWE has sounded interesting.
Like I I don't know if they're ever going to get out of that
free agent trap issue because one, they just they don't pay

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the wrestlers and two, there's so many people that are on
appearance deals because of the way that they tape that like
they can just get plucked anytime.
So I feel like that when you payenough attention to the outside
of what's going on, it makes it really hard to buy into what's
happening. And what's happening has been
kind of poorly executed on top of that.

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But of all the products for this, TNA is probably the most
difficult one because it just feels like no, nobody is
invested. That's kind of the lol of it.
It's like every six months theirbiggest stars are leaving.
Yeah, take a look at the women'sdivision right now.
Like when they when that match ended, like you look at that
battle royal, it's like, didn't this did the TNA Impact women's

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division used to be amazing and now it's like, who's that that's
left? But the Knockouts division does
feel like it's it's suffered. I'm sure that's probably in part
because there's like when they were in their golden era, I felt
like WWE didn't care about women's wrestling and there was,
they were the number 2, right? So it's it's trickier now that

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there's actual proper free agentinterest and women's wrestling.
But yeah, like it, they've takensome hits, they've taken some
hints. I'm wondering if like as ROH
contracts start to come up, if they'll get a resurgence the
other way. But it's even I was talking
about this the other day with someone like the indie scene
doesn't feel like it has like ithas its standouts, but it

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doesn't feel like there's anything in the indie scene
itself that's like properly hot right now.
Like JCW feels like it's cold way off.
Like I, I don't know if you werelike name the next 10 up.
If I, if I really could, honestly, where I used to be
able to be like, oh, will a nightgale, you know what I mean?
Like just rattling them off off the top of your head.
So it's it's weird. It's kind of like in a restock

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area. And as TNA absorbs NXT releases
and whoever they can get their hands on, it's, it's feels very
lost in the shuffle, unfortunately.
Also, they got rid of GAIL Kim, so women aren't as eager to go
there 'cause they aren't gonna work with her, despite her
tweeting through it this week. She's very, very, very highly
regarded by women's wrestlers, so.

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And also, like you mentioned, like the indie scene, like
everybody, like, like the guys on the GCW show, they work for
TNA, they work for AEW. Like there's so much Billy
Starks is on GCW shows and she'sin Ring of Honor and she's on a
like there's nobody. Yeah, he's in.

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The. ID is a gimmick, right?
Yeah. It's, it's, you know, it's a,
it's a weird. It is definitely a weird time,
right? Yeah, I think that happens when
you get so over saturated with promotions, right, Like MLW is
actually doing. I know people kind of like write

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it off or whatever, but they're way ahead of where their
perception is as far as like compared to their own goals.
But when you have N.W.A allegedly still exists, WWE and
AW with really bloated rosters because everybody gets injured
all the time. MLW now also has a women's
division There's and you can do things as an independent,

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especially when like Carrie and Cross is going to go make more
money on the independence than he would have if he resigned
kind of thing. You're, you're right.
It's a very open playing field with free agents.
And part of that's exciting. And part of that means like,
what does it mean to be an independent talent, right?
Like gets a little tricky. You're right.

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When was the last? When was the last time you
watched MLW? IML WS1 that I tend to watch in
like if I hear there's a really good match, you know what I
mean? Like I I do really like the
didact Bishop Dyer thing. I saw Fujita almost murder Matt
Riddle, which I thought was veryfun, but it, it's more like I'll

(29:53):
go back and and pick and choose,But they, it's not like they're
selling houses in a way that they're a real threat.
But like in comparison to what their expectations are, they are
continuing to sell out. Like they, they continue to do
what they want to do at A at a high level for what they're

(30:13):
aiming at, which is all you can kind of ask when you're like the
number 5 promotion kicking around, you know, like.
No, I think that they don't do. I don't they don't do like they
stop doing weekly TV. They just run the specials now,
right? Is that?
They do run specials. They're pursuing weekly TV
again, like that's that's something that's on the table.

(30:34):
They got a windfall of money from that WWE lawsuit.
I know everybody laughed at thatin the room, but they got like
25,000,000 bucks because WWE didwhat they were accused of doing
essentially and they didn't wantto be in a legal battle at it.
When you're a billion multi billion dollar company, you just
throw money at it and it goes away, right, So.

(30:55):
More meany appearances. We need more blue meanie.
Throw some money at him. Well, maybe it's time to go back
and check out Saturday. Looks like a loaded show.
Rugito, Blue Panther and Atlantius.
Yeah, it sounds amazing. Paul London, Austin Aries.
There's a guy that looks like heshould have been in the Wyatt

(31:16):
Six. He wrestled barefoot.
He's kind of cool looking. I checked that out.
I don't know who it is. Let's see.
Is he in here? Not a caveman, is it?
No. Who?
It's not a caveman. No.
He's got like a weird like mask on.
But see, here's that. But then they dust off like
they're still dusting off KojimaAkamura.
He's like a zillion. OK, but Kojima's great.

(31:41):
Can they bring back like Bud Heavy?
What about Barrington Hughes? Bud Heavy's a good pole.
Shotsy's there, bro. Did you see?
Oh no, the shotsy story today. No.
What did I miss? There's a clip she was on like
Surreya's podcast and they were talking about like WWE drug
testing. And she's like WWE when they

(32:04):
drug test you, they just, they're like, you got to go now.
And she's like, and they got me one time, but I didn't have to
pee. I had to take a shit.
So I had to take a shit while somebody was standing there
watching me take a shit. And it was the worst experience
of my life. Wouldn't you just clench up?
Like, seriously. I mean, when you got to go, you

(32:26):
got to go, I guess. Yeah.
But like, if somebody's like, staring at you, like, you would
think like, you'd fucking bind up, you know what I mean?
Like. I'm that feels like that should
have been a Shining Wizards exclusive.
I'm more annoyed about that. Like she picked the wrong, wrong
platform to tell that story on. That is like a have you ever
shake your pants in the ring? No, but let me tell you this

(32:46):
great story that that feels likeit was tailor made for you guys.
Yeah, I mean, let's be honest, Surya is grabbing at straws
right now. Nobody gives a shit about her
anymore. So you know she's got to go to
the shiny Wizards bag to get fucking views and listens and
whatnot. Well, it wasn't.
That was a shotsy story though. That wasn't Surya searching.
Yeah, but then Surya going hey, ever shit your pants love?
What? Do.
You got to get Surya, man. I.

(33:07):
Bet you she'd be a fucking greatguest to have on the show.
She probably would be, but she'sbiting her gimmick, dude.
She's not biting her gimmick. Oh, she is.
She could bite something easy, fella.
Jeez Louise, My goodness, I met my ass.
Because she's like biting off ofus.
She's biting off of us. Everybody.
She is. Everybody is.

(33:27):
So is Phil. Phil, that son of a bitch.
You motherfucker. Can't wait for Eddie Kingston to
have a show where he's talking about everybody shit in their
pants that would. Be great.
Please, that's why I brought up Eddie.
Kate, just for you. Tony is here to please Kate.
We are pleased with you and Kate's Corner.

(33:48):
Where can the people fight 'cause I know you're you're
always doing what? Tuesday night you're doing sour
grafts. Wednesday night is the Mark
Order podcast. I don't know what you do
Thursday. I don't know where you are on
the weekends. Hard to tell.
You do all. My plugs that was awesome.
But Mondays I'm on fightful select doing the sour grabs
robber view. Tuesdays I'm doing sour grabs

(34:08):
NXT pray for my soul Wednesdays at the mark order podcast.
Thursdays I sleep it's great. Friday doing Smackdown on the
Fightful main channel and PLE's and post shows also at Fightful
Select. So you can head over there if
you want to see more of me. I also do have my own channel
that I usually do like content for a week and then I just stop
for like a month. So if you like inconsistent

(34:30):
wrestling content, head on over to my personal channel at Miss
Cape Babe. But yeah, I have fun there when
I'm not like sick with COVID or too busy so.
Yeah, man, Oh yeah, man, Miss Cape Babe.
So annoying. I'll be over there popping my
Dick, as Booker T would say. So popping my I'll see you next.

(34:55):
Time. OK, something.
Says. You didn't.
See that legit on a broadcast said that when I forget who came
out. Jane, I think.
Right. I think it was, yeah, it was the
the toxic ladies. And this motherfucker still has
a job. It's it's unreal how bad he is
he. Said popping my Dick.
Oh yeah, I'll go plan the clip and send it to you.

(35:16):
You'll want it as a drop, honestly.
In his defense, popping my Dick ain't bad.
Right. That's not a bad line.
We were like, did he say poppingneck?
Nope, definitely, said Dick. Not something you want your
commentator saying. Though.
That's a great line though. I mean, to be honest, of all the

(35:37):
things Booker T says during a show, that's like top three.
It at least caught my attention.Champagne wishes and caviar.
Shut up. He doesn't say Shucky Ducky
anymore, does he? Oh, he does.
Oh shitty line from a shitty comedian from the 90s and he's
fucking Oh my. God.

(35:57):
Oh yeah, those are like the mostrecent references he makes.
They're. Yeah, well.
Thanks for having me on. Enjoy, enjoy whatever your
fightful select tonight, right? And that's what you said you're
doing. Yeah, I'm, I'm on selecting
early today 'cause we have a early smackdown starting at

(36:19):
sevens while football's on, so we'll take it.
Thanks, Alex. Bye, Kate.
Bye, Kate. See you later, Gator Kate the
great everybody at Miss Kate Fabe, give her a follow support
her check her out. So wait, so Netflix is on like
rolls on Netflix right now yes. Why did they do that?

(36:39):
Now I think right. Wait, it's always going to start
at 7 The. Last couple weeks it has.
Just for football season. I think they're trying to get
get a couple people get get someeyes on it earlier.
Well, just put NIA Jacks on every fucking Monday night.
What's wrong with you, Kevin? No, nothing's wrong.
I just pop pop popping my Dick. It's fucking gold.

(37:02):
I just, I love it. I love it.
Could be the second best thing he ever said on a live mic.
Yeah. Yeah, you could.
One thing I was, one thing I wasthinking.
No, that was Vince, you dummy. With with NXT and Raw and you
know, people moving up and down and there's obviously there's

(37:24):
guys in NXT now that they're going to move to the main
roster, they're going to do great things.
There's going to be guys that move there and they don't do so
great is part of the problem. Just overall they they just have
they have a bloated roster full of like studs, You know what I
mean? Like they have so many talented
hands there that when somebody does go up, where do they go?

(37:44):
Like you bring you bring fuckingmellow up and people are like,
wow, he hasn't done much. What the fuck is he supposed to
do? He's not, he's not Randy Orton.
He's not, you know what I mean? Like he's not even like on par
with some of the those mid card studs.
So it's not necessarily like I don't think it's an anybody's
fault thing. I just think that how do you
fall into a group of superstars like that?

(38:04):
You know what I mean? Like you have to be a fucking
Kevin Owens. You have to be potentially an
Oba Femi. You have to be one of those
unbelievable hands. To fall.
In and be able to stay there andand get, you know, get lift over
time. So I don't know it's it's it's
an interesting kind of a situation like even like like
Kate said, like Ethan Page, if he gets called up, what is he

(38:26):
going to do? Like I love Ethan Page.
I think it's a talent at hand, but you're going to put him in
the mix with all the studs that are there right now.
How you know what I mean? Like, how is he going to get in
there and fucking find his groove and be another one of
those Sammy Zane, Kevin Owen type guys?

(38:46):
Yeah, it's it's it's it's like acatch 22, right?
Because you are like Carmelo Hayes and and Obafemi like world
champion, NXT world champions. At some point someone said this
is the going to be the face thatrepresents his brand.

(39:07):
Now where do we put them on? Like your main event on Raw and
Smack Down is to your point HK it's to the gills with fucking
CM Punk, Seth Rollins, Brock Lesnar, Cody Rhodes, John Cena,
AJ Styles, Say CM Punk, Drew McIntyre, Like and then the tier

(39:28):
below that is just J USO, LA Knight, Dom.
Finn. Finn like, yeah, who's the who's
the US champ? Sammy.
Yeah. Sammy Yeah, yeah, you know, it's
but it but they don't have the Ithink the problem is they don't
have a good they don't do a goodjob of.

(39:54):
I think they assume, man, I'm going to get this thought out of
my brain. I promise you guys.
I think they assume that everybody that watches Raw also
watches NXT. So when you bring these guys in.
A lot of the times they don't get reactions because I don't
think the fan base is familiar with them.
Perhaps we go back to the early 90s, mid 90s.
Maybe we give him a couple vignettes.

(40:16):
If he's reintroduce me to Carmelo Hayes instead of put it,
what's he in the tag team with The Miz now?
I. Think that's finally breaking up
after last week. Miz Miz goes mellow.
What's it called? Miz some mellow Miz some.
Mellow, don't miss. That's not really what it's
called. No, it is.

(40:37):
It's horrible, It's horrible. Fuck off.
Well, and I think like when you had mentioned like NXTS like the
Black and gold, when you had when you had Shinsuke and Kevin
and Sammy and those guys were coming off of unbelievable runs
on the Indies where people had recognized them on the Indies
and probably followed them to NXT.
And we're we're excited to follow them all the way up to
the main roster. Like I knew you don't have that

(41:00):
right now. And it, it's part of it's got to
be bloated rosters, part, part of it's definitely got to be
over saturation. And I don't know if it's across
like it's obviously across the big markets, you know what I
mean? Obviously it's it's across WWE
and and AEW and and TN. Like there's so much available
to us now. But then even if you go to the
Indies, I think that there's, there's so much available.

(41:23):
You can get wrestling at any moment that you, you want it.
So I don't know. It's, it's, it's an interesting
situation. I, I, I think ultimately and,
and who do you follow? Like who?
And even on the NXT roster, likewho do you, who do you follow
that you want to see? Like I, I love Ethan Page, but
if he was brought up right now and he's, yeah, he's fucked,

(41:45):
He's fucked. Olba like is a guy that I think
that you can bring up and you put him into a situation like I
would love to see him go straight to Brock, right?
That would solidify him right away.
Goes just go straight to Brock and he's going to have a spot.
But you almost have to do something like that to get a guy
a spot because of the amount of other studs that are there.
It's, it's, I mean, it's a greatproblem, right?

(42:08):
It's a great problem for fans. It's a great problem for
companies. But then like, what do they do?
They fire people and then everybody cries about it like.
That's the thing, right? Or, or like here you have
Carmelo Hayes. He's putting in the time, right?
He's he's we're going to bring him up.
Oh, Penta's available. I'll snag him.
Oh, Ray Phoenix, get him. Rusev wants to come back.
Well, now we just signed fuckingthree guys.

(42:31):
We're not putting we're not sending them back to NXT, right.
Rusev has name recognition. We can use Penta and and Phoenix
because of our new thing with AAA.
All right, Carmelo, like we appreciate what you did, kid.
You're with them is now, which is not a bad thing, but it kind
of gets like to to your point man, it gets lost in the

(42:51):
shuffle. Yeah, yeah.
I'd rather see the Ethan Pages and the Ricky Saints of the
world in NXT until there's a a spot for them, right, until
there's something that makes sense for them to get involved.
Like I love your idea, bro. No Oba Femi answers the Sami
Zayn challenge. That's a huge splash.
Sami Zayn is he was he's been a main player the last three years

(43:14):
in the WWE with the bloodline stuff and US champion and IC
champion with the stuff with Gunther like boom, let's let's
do this like that. I think that makes sense.
But didn't Jevin Jevin Evans do that last week or something?
Ron Evans Friday night, yes, What I going to do, just keep
lining up NXT people for Sammy. I mean, it worked for Kevin

(43:35):
Owens when he did it years ago with John Cena.
Beat John Cena. Yeah, yeah.
Which is why it worked. Yeah.
And he was still NXT Champion. So as you were saying, how do
you bring guys up? That was probably the best
they've ever brought up from NXT.
But that's one in a million talented kid.

(43:57):
He is. My goodness, that opening match,
him and Briggs, they killed it. That had me at the edge of my
seat the whole time. Really.
You didn't like it? I liked it.
There was there was, you know, the whatever need the need in a
face spot. They completely missed and they
sold it. I so I think my problem is I

(44:21):
made the mistake of watching NXTon Tuesday, so I picked with
like, there's this great fuckingvignette for Josh Briggs.
Like, I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks anymore.
So, like, Josh Briggs is going to smush him.
He's a giant. He's a giant man.
Yeah, man, it was OK. It was no, Javon Evans is super

(44:41):
talented kid. I'm more excited of the fact
that they're going to let Javon Allen.
Javon Evans challenge Leon Slater for the TNAX division
title. That is, you know, another
situation where TNA is. The Cock will just sit there and
watch another NXT star walk out as their champion.
That match should be fucking fire.

(45:02):
That wasn't a bad first match. It's all right.
I I don't like, I don't like thethe the finish, man.
I don't like that just doesn't no, it doesn't work for me at
all. And and Evans is Evans is a
talented kid. I think Briggs is Briggs is a
pretty talented cat too. But it's just so much jumping

(45:24):
around, just so fucking much jumping around where it gets to
the point where it's like, you know what, OK, you can jump.
Like can you throw a crisp punch?
Like it throws T-shirt, Yeah. Can you, can you, can you throw
me a Randy punch? Can you throw me a Jerry punch?
Or are you just throwing forearms and and jumping?

(45:45):
You know what I mean? Like his?
Clotheslines look like fucking shit.
Too. Yep, Yep.
And he can, I mean, he can, he can bump, he can definitely
bump. He can draw sympathy pretty easy
because I mean, just of his build, you know what I mean?
He, he's, he looks fucking brittle, but then he just gets
back up and jumps around, you know?
Look, I'll give him credit, he does like some unique like ways
he bounces off the rope, but at the same time it's like.

(46:09):
He's a good reversal guy. Like I'm not comparing him to
Rey Mysterio, but you know, Rey Mysterio's whole thing was he
reversed. Everything you throw at him, he
reversed. And I think Evans can throw a
lot of great reversals, like himreversing that chokeslam into a
cutter. Fucking chef's kiss on that one.

(46:30):
Well, NX TS no Mercy was on Peacock.
So handsome. Kevin, you good?
Watch it. Yeah, yeah.
I watched the majority of it. The majority of it, yeah, I
didn't. I didn't watch the actually
didn't watch the main event. Really.
Yeah, I saw, I saw the what the outcome was and I went I, I
like, I don't even want to know how they did it.

(46:51):
I just don't, I don't know, likeI, I'm a big Oba guy and like
Ricky starts, he's a stand on with a guy, but he's a, he's a
tiny guy. Like how how did it end?
You you tell me, 'cause I, I don't know.
It so when they were on the outside, Oba went to powerbomb
him on the on the table. Starks put it into a DT, gave

(47:16):
him another DDT on the outside. They get back in, they do, I
think a little back and forth and then Starks reverses another
DDT and then does a swinging DDTand that was it. 3 DDTS. 4/4
DDTS. 4 DDTS. At the 4th 1 I did, I looked
down like I looked at my phone for something and I hear them

(47:39):
count to three. I'm like wait, that was it got
you. I I didn't think they were going
to take it off of Oba for a longtime.
Neither did I. Neither did I.
Yeah, I didn't. I didn't.
I didn't watch the main event. I was not.
In fact, I thought the story with was going where eventually
Javon Evans beats Oba but. You see, you see what happened
there? This is this is what's wrong
with wrestling today. Brundo expected a kick out at 2

(48:05):
from 4. Fucking DDTS.
Accurate. Is that not lost on anyone?
Like seriously, I'm with. You.
Yeah, it was. And also the fact that it's Oba
Femi and he's had one defeat in NXT in two years.
I mean, everybody's got to lose at some point, you know?
Yeah, yeah. Maybe this is maybe Oba is

(48:27):
coming up tonight. Do we know?
Like I haven't seen anything on the Twatter.
Maybe this shit happened. Speaking of which, we're still
on the X, aren't we? We are.
We're rocking and rolling on theX.
People are tuning in. I love it.
Love it. I love it.
It's like welcoming back. It's like we're welcoming back.
Like old friends, you know? Love it.
Welcome back, old friends. It's nice to see you.

(48:50):
Yeah. Come on.
Sit down, have a have a spend a few with us.
Yeah, pop a Dick. Yeah, pop in the Dick.
You know what would make it morefun?
If we change the lights every fucking couple of seconds during
the speed Title. Go fuck yourself.
Fucking go fuck your hand. Yeah, man.
Couldn't agree with you more. Double.
T green, it's orange, it's red. There's a fucking clock on the

(49:12):
screen. Just fucking.
And she's the North American champion.
Why the fuck are we highlightingthe speed title?
No idea. How long was the match?
Is only three minutes, right? They time it.
Oh, it's 5 now. Yeah, 5 minutes.
And she's a stud that that whole.
Thing is. It's such a fucking mess that

(49:33):
speed bullshit can't stand it. Well they cancelled the show.
They don't know what the fuck todo with the belts.
Just get rid of it. It was a fuck.
It was an X. It was an X deal.
Was it, was it not? Yeah, it was their their
sponsorship or however they worked it out.
Like just get, just get rid of it.
Be done. Was it like for trash?
Was it like for like speed stickor something like?
No, it was, it was X They had the the matches were just on X

(49:56):
when it started. Oh, it wasn't, it wasn't like a
like a promotion like for. No, no, no.
It wasn't like the Old Spice 5 or some shit like that, just for
like try and get some new eyes because people can't sit through
fucking regular wrestling match.Everyone has to consume
everything in fucking 4 minutes and then be done with it on to
the next thing. Yeah, well, I mean overall

(50:19):
basing A gimmick around like like rushing a wrestling match
just kind of seems weird in thisday and age.
Like we don't, we don't have like the 10 minute jobber
matches that only went 3 minutesanymore.
So it's like, how do you, how doyou make 2 actual competitors
who are going to have a competitive match squeeze it
into 5 minutes? Like it kind of like, it kind of

(50:40):
makes everything else you do feel like out of the ordinary,
You know, it's like, oh, somebody could win a match in 5
minutes. Why aren't all the matches 5
minutes? You know what I'm saying?
Yeah. And why isn't she defending the
NXT North American Title? She's got to defend that speed
title, bro. She doesn't just throw the thing
in the fucking garbage. Let Jim Duggan pick it up.

(51:01):
Pick it up out of there like WCWstyle.
Let him call. Have take it home, Jim.
Have another title. Send it to AW.
Speedball can have it. I would fucking love for Jim
Duggan to be the the fucking WWEWomen's Speed Champion.
I'd watch every match he did it.And they didn't even like like
Kate mentioned it during Kate's corner, like the Czaria, like

(51:23):
being jealous of Saaruka, like didn't even play into the speed
the match. It was fucking Lash Legend
coming out and getting involved in Jada Parker's business, but
they didn't even explain how Home Girl got hurt until fucking
two segments later where they show her backstage.
Like, I don't fucking know. I, I this was a tough watch for

(51:44):
me, guys. I don't, I don't know who any of
these Broads are. So he could have just made-up
all those names at Open News. Like who?
We're going to take the homecoming a couple weeks ago.
Yeah, I had to look him up. I was on a WWE roster page.
You could have held a gun to my head.
I would have been like, all right, I guess I'm dead.
See you later. The I know Pizzeria, just

(52:07):
because I know her name and I know Lya Valkyria because she
got brought up and she was fighting with fucking with
Becky. Yeah, you.
Know Jordan Grace? You know Jordan Grace.
Jordan Grace, Yeah, But I know her beside NXT, you know what
I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The homegrown? Forget it.
Speaking of Broads, Kylie, what's her name had to give up

(52:28):
the ID belt and then Ash by Elegance had to give up the the
TNA belt. Yep.
That's Kylie's pregnant. Yeah, Miley Kylie's pregnant.
Oh. Dick Rondo grabbed the pen.
Oh, I'm already writing it down.But I don't, I don't know.

(52:49):
We'll get to the Ash by elegant stuff.
I want to finish talking about NXT weaponized steel cage match.
What did you wait? There was a steel cage match.
Oh yeah. Jordan Grace and Blake Monroe
that was in a cage. Rage in the cage, brother.
She cut fucking Jordan Grace's hair.
It looked like brown spaghetti was everywhere.
Brown spaghetti. Palms were sweaty, so I'll hit

(53:15):
you with this. There were two things that
bothered the fuck out of me in this match.
And the first one is they got, you know, maybe quarter halfway
through the match, Jordan Grace.No, no, Monroe goes for a pin.
Jordan Grace puts her leg on therope.
They break the pin in a fucking weaponized steel cage match just

(53:38):
for two minutes later for one ofthese fucking idiot announcers
to go. There's no.
Rules. In this match then why you
breaking the fucking pin up? Fuck off with that.
Completely. Took me off of that match and
also the fucking finish. Jordan Grace gets fucking powder

(53:59):
thrown in her face just for it not to do anything to her and
her finish the fucking match anyway.
She throws powder in her face ontop of a steel cage and she has
enough wits about her to stand on the top rope, do her finish
and that's that. Fucking powder maybe?
Maybe. She closed her eyes.
Dude, be the first over her face.

(54:22):
Brendel fly I as far as the the breaking up the pin, I couldn't
have said it better my myself. I think you've heard me say.
It I thought of you the second Iheard that. 100% can we write
down it was all over her face please?
Tossed it, tossed it right on her face.
I don't know why you need to go a weaponized steel cage match

(54:42):
like that. That part of it, it it's a
little. It's a little.
Yeah, it's. A hat on a hat man.
Yeah, it's it's not necessary. I did enjoy like I'm a big
Jordan Grace fan, so it was going to be hard for them to
make dislike, dislike this this match.
They tried they they certainly tried the diamonds thing.

(55:04):
That was, that was I thought that was, that was a unique
twist. Yeah, that was a unique twist.
Yeah, I'll give you credit for that.
That was instead of being Fung packed, I'm because of who Blake
one row is. I like that.
I'll give you that the. Fucking.
You dump out the garbage can, it's like curling irons and.
Yeah, that made me laugh becauseit was they're like, they're

(55:25):
definitely saying like this is the battle axe cage match and
the fuck? Battle Axe cage match.
The hair dryer spot, like when she ties her up and then she
cuts her hair. And like when she's cutting her
hair, she's not like cutting it because she's not opening the
scissors. She's like stabbing her hair.
And I was like this. This bird's lost her fucking

(55:45):
mind. So then I'm like, I'm kind of
into this. And then she finally cuts her
hair and then Jordan Grace crieslike you're getting the shit
kicked out of me. And then you cry.
And then when she, she, it doesn't seem like she struggles
at all to get her hands out. Like I, I, I just that part of
it. And then after she gets her
hands out, then she can't untie the cord to get like whatever

(56:06):
she was going to do with the damn hair dryer.
That that's that fucking bugged the hell out of me.
And we got to figure out new ways to to attack with Kendos.
We have to it it. It's getting to be too much.
Every time somebody grabs A kendo, it's what are we at the
top of a God damn roller coaster?
Oh, they got a kendo. I mean.

(56:26):
You got it. You got.
There's got to be another way. There has to be another way.
Perhaps the next step? Weaponized steel cage match.
Kendo stick on a roller coaster match.
That ain't bad. Let's.
Do it. I I know it's a couple of
minutes past, but Tropical coming in, new disclaimer would
dug in his women's speed champ calling his opponent a hoe all

(56:47):
the time. I mean, that tickled me.
They'd be mad at him. They'd be real men.
They'd have a reason to want to fight him.
Fuck yeah dude. Imagine he's just in three-point
stances all day knocking women over.
Fucking amazing. Just like a Broads, like a
fucking Botchu Mania highlight reel.

(57:08):
Like Duggan's in a female battleroyal for the speed
championship. Just fucking shoulder blocking
him over the top left and right.Hitting him with the tape fist,
yeah. What did what did you think of
the cage itself? I kind of dug that cage.
It was a little bit smaller. Yeah.
The cage itself was good. Yeah, I, I kind of, I kind of

(57:30):
dug that cage. I didn't like that they had the
door of the cage off the ramp, though.
Like, why wouldn't you just haveit, right?
Just walk straight down the rampinto the fucking cage.
Why do you got to walk down the ramp and then get off the ramp
and then get it like that? Part of it fucking sucked.
Why do they do it? Why do they have the girl who
was supposed to be the speed match on 2 segments later to
explain how she hurt herself andthen have her interact with Lola

(57:55):
Vice? Delayed reveal suspense Double
TI. Still don't know who these
Broads are. Lola Vice is nice.
She's got a nice hiney. Lola Vice is nice.
Yeah. Yeah, she has a nice hiney.
Let me see. Clip that you know who else had
a nice hiney? Who the booty man come in with

(58:17):
that hiney and. Did he though?
Fuck. Yay, dude.
Yeah, man, popping that Dick. We're coming for you, Ethan
Page. Tavon Heights was fun.
Yeah, Tavion. I thought Tavion Heights was

(58:37):
really good during this match. I'm a big, I'm a big fan of him,
of Dempsey, all those no quarterguys.
I know Tavion and and Miles Bourne aren't in the no quarter,
but all those guys are really talented and I thought this
would have been a great way for them to kind of put a rocket to
tave in on heights. But you know, as you saw on my

(58:59):
picks, I'm the only one that picked them and I failed but.
Yeah, heights is heights is he? He's a talented, he's a talented
kid. He's a very talented kid.
I think he's, I think he's got to worry about where he is with
his in ring though. Like he's super talented, but
you get to a point where like he's, there's a lot of Kurt
Angle in his work and you don't want to keep trending.

(59:22):
Like not that you don't want to be like Kurt Angle, but you
don't want to do so much of his move set and, and kind of trend
so much that way that you start getting compared to him and then
you're automatically lesser. I think that's what happened
with with Ziggler. Ziggler's comp for a long time
with Shawn Michaels and he started his move set, started
trending more and more Shawn Michaels and then all of a

(59:43):
sudden you just you compare him to Shawn Michaels.
He's a Lester Shawn Michaels. So I think he's got a that's one
thing that he's got to look out for is is trending too closely
to to angle, But I think he's a talented kid.
Brando, you did mention Miles Bourne.
I just have to say because I watched NXT, the the show opened
with a Miles Bourne Lexus King Lights Out match.

(01:00:03):
Yeah. And Lexus King gets his intro
and then the IT pans out and youcan clearly see Miles born like
standing next to him in the entranceway and then he like
flips the switch and the fuckinglights.
And I was like, what the fuck? This is what we're starting NXT
with Tuesday night. You don't.
I don't think they really, I don't know if they did, but they

(01:00:24):
could have really said like, OK,we're doing a lights out match,
but this is even worse for MilesBorn because the guy's freaking
deaf. You take away two of his senses,
he can't see and all. It's not like the crowd can yell
and he's going to hear. It that's true, yeah.
Jesus. Brenda.
No, it's true. That's why I like him so much.

(01:00:47):
I was. Deaf.
For many, yeah. I was partly deaf for many
years, so now I got a wrestler like me.
Well, now. How's your how's your, how's
your eyesight, Brendafly? It's that that's the only thing
left on my face that. Works.
I don't know. If it is 'cause I gotta ask you
a. Question you sent you sent the
group AA text. Oh boy.
And I gotta, I gotta ask becauseI, I, I didn't see it.

(01:01:10):
You send, you send a picture to the group that is clearly tits
and you say it looks like there's a Dick there.
Now I'm gonna, I'm gonna show this picture to everybody.
Hopefully they can see it. It's the necklace right above
the tits. Yeah, it looks like a pencil,
though. Yeah, it looks like a tip of a
pencil. How do you?

(01:01:30):
Look like the tip of a pencil. And how do you see a rack and
and instead? My wife's still in the chat.
Confuse me. Brendo Fly.
Confuse me. I don't know, I guess.
A guy I know that's that sees a rack and goes hey guys, look at

(01:01:51):
that Dick. I think, he said.
Look at that deck, he said. I The necklace looks like a.
Dick. Well, he wasn't like you
checking Dicks out while you're getting it by cars.
My Well, that's true. K makes a good point.
I mean, my head is not always inthe gutter.
I think Grundle was just trying to talk to you.

(01:02:14):
JC Jane retained against Lola Vice.
Fantastic match. I really enjoyed this.
I got more out of these women than I expected.
Oh yeah, but then the the hoodedfigure cost Lola Vice the match,
so she was not she didn't get todo her her little butt thing.
Maybe that's the maybe. That was the beat, girl.

(01:02:38):
You know why I picked JC Jane 'cause they did the thing on NXT
where Lola Vice holds up the title.
I was like, this bitch ain't winning.
Par for the course. I don't even remember who I
picked at this point. You picked JC Jane?
I think I did. She win?
No. Yes.
JC Jane won. Good.
What did you? Pick.
Wait. You didn't.

(01:02:58):
You didn't run the numbers. I did run the numbers.
I just don't have. I'm afraid to open.
I win all the shit open. I know I went three and three
and. Yes, you went three and three.
Tony, you did lose. You picked Lola.
I'm sorry. You went four and two.
Handsome Kevin went four and two.
Guess who's in a tie? Me and Handsome Kevin, what did
you do? Double TI went five and one.

(01:03:21):
Oh no shit. Look at you.
Yeah, you took Oba and Lola. Handsome Kevin, those Lola you?
Fuck, I fucked that up. Of course you did.
I I, well, even we were talking on whatever it was Saturday
night. I was like perfect.
I only missed the Oba I meant to.

(01:03:41):
I don't know what the fuck I didyou.
Whoops. After that.
Hunt your eyes work. Yeah, I just work.
I guess I just can't type. Good point.
Little stubby nubs you got for fingers.
I was I was putting my pics in while I was at my my favorite
Honduran restaurant though, so maybe that had something to do
with it. Supporting your people, brother.

(01:04:03):
Yeah, I guess my people. God, go outside your fucking
comfort zone dude. Jesus Christ, just go outside
your fucking house. Nothing for me out there.
You don't know you're afraid of everything.
I went to Jersey. I'm not afraid of everything.
You went to Jersey to go to the same fucking restaurant you went
to last time. You.

(01:04:24):
Were here? No, didn't we went to Cox
Slobbers. No, no, you wanted to go to the
same restaurant and I said. Where'd we go, Dick Turner?
What the fuck was it? Rooster, Rooster Spin.
Rooster Spin. Gotcha.
Yeah. As opposed to meat spin double
TS. Favorite restaurant You spin me?
Right. Around you could probably get in

(01:04:46):
there with no sleeves. They prefer it.
I love lemonade. I missed that website for one
reason. Not that I recognize the two
fellas in it, but once it hit like once, once it hit like once
the counter hit like 30, it saidyou're officially gay.

(01:05:07):
That always tickled me. Depending on which one, if you
went to what was it? Wow, omg.com, it was like it.
It was like 500 and then it would.
I guess they really wanted to make sure, right?
Meatspin.com was a little less generous with the.
Fucking luckily there's a test. Oh boy.

(01:05:31):
Well, we got, we got some John Cena to talk about.
We got some, maybe some AW, if we want to talk about that,
maybe we want to. Big announcement.
Talk. Yeah, big announcement.
Maybe we talk a little, maybe talk a little bit about Masha
when we come back from our little break ski here, we got
homework to talk about, which I'm very interested, very

(01:05:53):
interested to see what the the panel has to say about that.
You want me to see the position now?
Sorry. Oh spoiler.
No way. There's no possible way.
It's we'll talk. We'll talk all about it.
I got to go his. Favorite wrestler's Larry's
Abisco There's always a way we'll be.
Back I got to I got to head to the spot and have a schmie guys.

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Wiki We're back. Wait on four.
Wait for Brando. Brando looks like butter bean.
It was like his skin tone matched like the background for
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The golden. I mentioned the Patreon earlier,
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(01:09:19):
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Especially me and Tony banged out a great episode Sunday.
We pulled out some old, old fucking reeds drops.
Yeah, it was, it was the first, it's the first Patreon I've done
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Like it, it was nice to be back doing some bonus content,

(01:09:40):
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It was a lot of fun recording itlast night.
So we, we have a lot of like, I've access to a lot of old

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We'll throw that up there real fast if I can.
St. team will be at WPWS Rumble in the Bert on October 19th.

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She just has koozies. So if you want to get in her
Koos, I hear that you subscribe.No, I'm sorry if you want to get
a Koos from her. That's better.
Or koozie, should I say kooz or koozie?
Koozies. Yeah, koozie.
Koozie would like a drink. Koozie.
See better there. It's getting ahead of myself.

(01:12:17):
You see SJ at this WPW show, yousay, hey SJ, what's up, Check
this out. I subscribe to the Shining
Wizards on YouTube and she will give you a free drink.
Koozie. Don't think you're going to get
to touch her Kooz 'cause you won't.
You won't. Don't even try it way back in

(01:12:37):
Honduras. If you need me, I like the
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You see the girls say hello, they'll hook you up with some
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So when when I get their schedule, you'll get their.
Schedule. 14 years, people. What I can't say Coos.

(01:13:01):
This is where we're at. We're at Honduras is the same
guy who was thinking about airing some of the old episodes.
I'm still man, I still think with the right disclaimer.
I don't even think we need a disclaimer kinds of.
Change are not just. It's not the same show.
It's different. It's changed drastically.

(01:13:24):
But I think there's people out there, maybe they listen to the
wizard's history to go, oh, I wonder what what these guys
sounded like 14 years ago. I was off the rails.
I said a bunch of heinous shit, and you want to put that back
out there? You do, huh?
But it was a different time. That was more acceptable.

(01:13:44):
Doesn't make it right, Handsome.Kevin knows if I can change, he
can change. Everybody deserves a second
chance, even. Easy.
Fucking Rocky Balboa, even the pedophiles and the rapist,
right? No.
There's a line. There's a line.
I agree. I look at that SJ rules, she

(01:14:07):
said. I will even buy them a beer if
they are a subscriber with a koozie.
That's a dangerous proposition, SJ.
That might be a fucking big old tab when by the end of the
night, I don't know what they I don't know what they charge for
a beer in the Burt, but I can't imagine it's like less than $10.
No, they go. Loonies.

(01:14:28):
Wrestling shows don't try and Ding you over the head with the
booze unless you're getting like, liquor.
They'll get you. They'll get you, Yeah.
Oh, yeah, They'll get you. It's a live event, man.
You get live event pricing? Yeah.
I guess do you really want to feed a bunch of independent
wrestling fans beer too? They probably get all rowdy.
Although Canadians might be like, nice.

(01:14:48):
Probably much better with it, yeah.
She says 5 to 8 bucks tops. What's up, Ed?
What are those? Are those tall boys or small
boys? I don't know whether Molson
Molson is a Canadian beer, right?
Yeah, I guess got a red dog. That's the one where you flip it

(01:15:09):
upside down. Looks like Batman eating out
Wonder Woman. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait. What wonder?
Woman. Wait, wait.
Red Dog? Is it Red Dog?
Batman. Wonder Woman.
Oh my God. This might be a thing.
It's 100% a thing. Someone told you to flip the red

(01:15:29):
dog beer logo upside down and suddenly you saw Batman showing
Wonder Woman a very good time. This is a fucking thing.
My God. You know what?
I. You're not the only one that
knows weird things. I know weird things.
Yeah, but why Wonder Woman? Like I could see Batman.
I don't understand the Wonder Woman though.
I don't know why you put your fucking finger over your camera.

(01:15:51):
Because I'm blocked. I'm trying to like block out
Kevin Nash style like the rest of the logo so I could see.
It. Yeah, maybe.
Don't tear your quad. He's doing OK after his heart
procedure, right? I think so.
I mean, I picked him so. I know we're running out of

(01:16:11):
time. We're going to have a new draft
coming up soon. Yes, we are.
SJ says, now you got to show us,Show us what the the logo.
All right, hold. On.
Let me see if I can or cannot dothis.
All right. Well, why you do that?
We got, I guess last week after the show, we got the

(01:16:32):
announcement, John Cena, AJ Styles at Perth, crown Jewel,
all about it. Also this week, AJ Styles
certain he will retire within the next year.
Is AJ Style worthy of a retirement tour like John Cena?
No, no. Not maybe.

(01:16:57):
Maybe not maybe. I mean definitely not to the
extent he he he hasn't had the same career as John Cena, but
but he does like if he wants to say I got, you know, whatever it
is, 20 dates or however he wantsto do it, I do.
I do think that he's had a, a career worthy of a, of at least
some form of a retirement tour. I, I guess I don't think that
it's, it's on par with with Cena's, but I mean, the guy's

(01:17:20):
been a stud for a super long time and he is still unstoppable
in the ring. Is it?
Are we? Oh, Tony found it.
He is going to town there. How do you know it's Wonder
Woman? That's that was my question.

(01:17:42):
I mean, you could pick any womancharacter.
Catwoman. I mean, look at that might be
Brian Knobs. Look at that asshole.
I know, Jesus, she's got a fucking gaper.
Wonder Woman. It kind of looks like a serpent
of glazier. Like does it whistle?
When she flies around in the fucking invisible jet?

(01:18:03):
Or does it just go like is she constantly queefing come?
On. Look.
Oh really? You're talking about eating Coos
and I'm fucking talking about a queefing.
How come it sounded like a It sounded like a Jetsons car that
needed work. Hawaii knows humming on the

(01:18:29):
shining Wizards. So we get AJ Styles, John Cena,
I don't know what. What we got to watch?
No, I just wanted to stick Polacco's head in there for a
minute. Do you want me to check?
No. Oh yeah.
Well, fuck it, why not? I don't give a shit.
But fuck it. I tell you, I tell you where PJ

(01:18:50):
Polacco was. WrestleMania 12 coverage.
You're Duke and Rogue this week.You got to mention in that tag
title tournament the Body Don is1.
I really had to hold my tongue too.
I was going to say some very horrible things.
I said it once, I said it 1000 times.
Low key fucking Duke is a very funny man.

(01:19:13):
Yes, he is. Very funny, man.
The shit that he thinks of like on the fly.
I'm like man, what a fucking genius.
Well, you. Don't go to school for like 14
years and not be a genius. Wow, he shared a a pretty
interesting photo of oh, he retweeted.
Someone shared a photo of a young Davey Boy Smith junior

(01:19:34):
doing commentary with old Portuguese Man of War circa
1995. That's fun.
Put him on commentary. I think it was like maybe like
at A at a fan fest. Oh, OK, that's.
Some sort of course. He's on fan, not fans.
Yeah, Fan. Yeah, looks like he's reposting

(01:19:59):
some kind of Lib thing on TikTok.
Oh, libs of TikTok. Yeah, There you go.
Yeah, He's really batting 1000. This just incredible character.
It's really it. He's been kind of quiet on the
old Twitter machine. So there, there you have it.
There's your update on old PJ. OK, terrific.

(01:20:21):
Yeah. Speaking of, OK, terrific.
Let's talk a little bit about the Smackdown situation we had
Friday night. Well.
Triple threat action between Tiff, Tiffy, Time, NIA, Snacks
and Jade. A couple things to take away
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Jade Cargill has some new cosmetic injury to her face and
the referee doesn't want to count to 3.
If the referee had counted to three, Cardinals or Cargill's
face would have been just fine. Now, is it, Let me ask you this.
Shouldn't Cargill know to put toput her hand up to block her

(01:21:26):
face from smashing into things or.
Yeah, I don't. I don't blame NIA Jax for that
at all. I don't.
I, I mean, I know she's been reckless.
I don't think she was reckless with her toss.
I I don't. That was on.
That was on, that was on Cargillto protect herself.
There were people saying she didthat on purpose.
I'm like what the fuck is wrong with you?

(01:21:47):
People are stupid. Yeah, people are dumb.
Very much, I think her, her track record kind of.
Well, that's the. People attack, Yeah.
Yeah, that's. The problem?
The many times she tried to killKyrie Sane and Becky Lynch's
face. And yeah.
Yeah, it's, it is, it is the track record like she's known

(01:22:07):
for. I, I don't want to say
necessarily knowing, but you do see things happen with her in
the ring that is is not good forthe people she's in the ring
with. She's gotten to the point where
she I thought she was getting better, Like I really thought
that everything was kind of coming together and and she was
piercing together, you know, good matches and and and I don't

(01:22:29):
say that like this is oh, she's completely back off the rails or
anything like that. But I do think that the track
record is not going to lend any like clemency towards the
situation at all. And then in her favor.
So I don't know. It's it's rough.
The the referee shit was that was that was fucking awful.
Hats off to to Stratton to coverit up as quickly and as best she

(01:22:51):
could in a moment. But yeah, that was the the whole
thing was just fucking right. And like, the thing that bothers
me the most about it is count 3.Like count fucking count 3.
Like I and I, I, I've been around enough officials.
I've, I've listened to enough officials.
Like your job is to count 3. That's it.

(01:23:13):
If you don't put your fucking shoulder up, sorry, it's over.
Count fucking 3 the IT was it was it was kind of bad, just all
the way around. Like the only one that really I
when I watched it, I went add at, you know, add a boy was to
to fucking Stratton, because shedid.
She did her best to to audible and cover up as as quickly and
and as as best she could. And there the the other thing

(01:23:36):
that kind of screwed that up too, was that Stratton was out
of position. NYA was not supposed to kick out
there, and NYA wound up pushing Jade Cargill off before, before
Tiffany came in with the kick. So she kicked out.
So at that point, if you're Naya, you can't kick out of one

(01:23:58):
and then when somebody switches the pin, not kick out of the
other because now it doesn't make sense anymore.
And she did kick out again too. Like what 3 or 4 seconds later?
She like jumps her shoulder is like what the fuck are you doing
and. The other thing too is like when
the referee doesn't count 3 and both both of the performers just

(01:24:22):
look at the referee like what the fuck like that does?
That doesn't look good for anybody either.
I'm pretty sure Corderas or one of those guys said McMahon would
have fined you for that as a referee.
Yeah, shoulda. These Broads, Kevin.
I know these bad laxes don't know what the fuck they're
doing. I think I, I do think it is

(01:24:43):
indicative of the times like they're this generation of
professional wrestlers. They are very much like they
don't know to add, they don't know how to do anything ad Lib
if it's not what they discussed beforehand.
They just, they, they just freeze.
They're like deer in headlights,Right?
Sorry. Double go ahead.
I got but I got something like something.

(01:25:05):
Like the referee doesn't count 3like that's on her.
And then both of the performers are like looking at her like
now, now it's completely blown and now everybody knows this is
not supposed to happen. You know, if you if something
like that was to happen 25 yearsago, you could pick any any two
people. They don't have to be fucking
mega stars, but like that generate they would know how to

(01:25:28):
make it work. You know, like the whoever's on
top would get up and fucking getin the referee's face.
What are you doing? Why didn't you count 3?
Like make a spectacle out of it instead of like getting caught
with their pants down. All three of these performers,
all three of them, none of them spent time in the Indies.

(01:25:52):
None of them. That's correct.
They all, they all went through the sanitized system and got
brought. They, they all got brought in.
None of none of them went through the Indies.
Fuck Nya was on the Indies, no? I don't believe so.
Maybe she did a show or two in the in between.

(01:26:13):
I could be wrong, but none of them spent any significant time
like like honing their craft on the Indies.
They've always been in that. Yeah, you're.
Right, She was she was brought into NXT and that's where she.
Yeah, and. Every basketball player.
Everything is scrubbed down and sanitized and set in the way
that it needs to go. So when it doesn't go the way

(01:26:34):
that it's set then they don't know what the fuck to do that.
That is more indicative of the system in that situation and
them not honing their craft overtime on the because shit goes
wrong on the Indies all the timeand you have to know what to do
to cover it up. All three of these performers,
like the only one that did and then like I say in this

(01:26:54):
situation probably is, is is Stratton.
But they're all in that system where this is everything is laid
out, this is how it's going to go.
This is what you're going to do.And when it doesn't happen, they
fucking struggle. I, it just came to me.
I I don't I don't. Am I wrong?
There's plenty of people there too in that NXT that could
probably teach them like, OK, doa whole class on that.

(01:27:18):
Like, OK, we're going to wrestle, something's going to
fucking happen. And if the ref's going to fuck
up but you, it's on you guys to fix it.
Like you're telling me like a Terry Taylor can't help them
with that or you know, Norman Smiley or.
He's a bit of a sexual deviant and a racist that Terry Taylor.
Yeah, and he's probably on the phone with Meltzer too, so.
Yeah, good point. All right, Norman Smiley, Steve

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Carino, one of those. Guys, you would.
Think. But, but even still though, like
training somebody to ad Lib in atraining environment is a is a
lot different than being forced to ad Lib in front of a live
audience. Like, I think, I think this is
more indicative of of the way that they were brought up in the

(01:28:01):
system than it is, you know, andI'm saying it's they're free and
clear of all charges. But I do think there's something
to that. Tony, you're on you're an
indie's man, right? I mean correct to acknowledge on
me. Yeah, dude, like there's some
people that just, they've like they've just gone away from not

(01:28:21):
calling it. Like, I mean, we're Even so far
away of guys who wouldn't go over anything, wouldn't even
call anything in the ring. That's a lost art form.
Yeah. You know, you take, I think Brad
Armstrong was known for that. He was the he was the kind of
guy that would just get in the ring and like not even have to
fucking speak to his opponent. Steamboat and Flair did that

(01:28:42):
shit all the time. They didn't call any spots.
They knew the finish and they just went in there and did
whatever they anticipated sayingthat about.
Dory Funk Junior. When he would come in for as the
champion, he'd meet the guy in the ring.
Hi, I'm Dory. Take the arm.
Yeah. Yeah.

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It's it's it's nuts and and it'sa lost art form and a lot of
these guys, you know, get lost in the sauce.
I mean, I don't know if necessarily like that spot
aside. Like if, I mean, all this shit
happened in the match where likeit picked up and like, it's
like, OK, we moved on, but that's a tough meatball.
And Jade got hurt after this, right?

(01:29:24):
Like the whole thing with Jade was after this pinfall stuff,
right? So Jade wasn't even hurt yet.
So it's not even like, hey, let's go home at that point,
'cause we're confused. It was like they, they wound up
going on. I mean, they gave it an effort
and but for that, I don't know, like it just seemed like the
match was so long. Like even like the edited
version on YouTube was like fucking like 14 minutes.

(01:29:46):
How are you giving 14 minutes oftelevision time to this triple
threat match? That's crazy.
Maybe it was a a make. It was supposed to be on Russell
Palooza, maybe, But Tiffany wasn't cleared.
Or then then her doctor said sheher agent said she wasn't hurt
to begin with. So who knows?
Let me ask you guys. Yeah.
Are we still on board with Tiffany Stratton at this point

(01:30:08):
being the women's champion? On Smackdown, I mean, at this
point, who else? No, but I mean are you feeling
her as the champion? I'm feeling her as something.
Oh Brundo, I'd. Like to note that that wasn't
me. Yeah, I figure I'd beat you to
it, but yeah, sort of. I I, I, I'm definitely OK with

(01:30:37):
it. I'm definitely OK with it.
I, I, I think that she's one of the more skilled people on the
roster now. If you were to say, like, I
don't know, Alexa Bliss, right, if you were to say Alexa Bliss
is, is going to take the, the belt off or I'm, I'm OK with,
you know, I'd be OK with that too.
But I, I think right now I don't, I have no issues with her

(01:30:59):
being the champion. And it's for as little time as
she spent in wrestling for her to be the one to go back and,
and call the quick audible and try and cover up it, it, it
tells you like there's somethingthere.
She knows what she's doing because she's only what, five
years now in? That's a skill.
It's a skill I'm I'm definitely OK with with her having the
belt. I don't know, man.

(01:31:20):
I just, every time I just get the feeling like she's on, like
she's got a cloud of like, I think mediocrity is like too
harsh of a word, but like there's like she's got the
connection to the crowd, but there's no like pizzazz there.
Like there's nothing that says like, oh shit, Tiffany's going
to wrestle. I want to see her match.
It's kind of where I'm at right now.

(01:31:41):
You put Charlotte and Alexa out there fucking all day every day.
You put fucking Bailey out thereall day, every day.
Tiffany at this point. She's there.
What are you staring at, Double T?
What happened? I just got a text message from
the guys downstairs. Give me a second fucking boiler

(01:32:02):
baby. Yeah, yeah, man.
Oh. He shut his camera.
Off. What a dude.
Somebody bring him back. Yeah, fuck him.
Oh, you want to bring him back? We could do that.
We just leave him there. Fuck, I got a fucking.
There we go. Oh, there he is.
He's there. I double T.
Double TI thought he was. I thought he was leaving.

(01:32:26):
He fucking lied to us. He's like, hold on, guys.
When he looks up, everybody waves to.
Him. A bunch of fucking assholes.
That's fucking hysterical. I wish.

(01:32:47):
I wish I could put a little picture there in the corner
where he is, like a technical difficulties picture or
something. There's got to be.
You have the the Batman picture still.
Yeah, but I don't know how. Like I don't know if we could.
Like, I don't think, I don't think it can do it for somebody
else. You can't do it yourself.
Yeah. Fuck, let me see.

(01:33:08):
Edit Name Edit Mike now can't dothat.
Fuck. Yeah, he kind of.
He hung us out to dry there. I would have loved to put
something in there, you know? Yeah, I know he would have loved
it too. Would.
Love to put something in there. So should should we just should

(01:33:32):
we get through AEW quick before Double T gets back?
Yes, please. I'm gonna, no, I'm gonna, I'm
gonna make sure he's back for this one.
No Rondo, Rondo, fly. You watched.
AW, what'd you think, buddy? I love dynamite.
What a shock. All right?
What? What?

(01:33:52):
Tell me what you loved about it.Rondo Fly.
I mean, Bro, Dildo and the Gatesof Agony was fantastic way to
open up the show. Like Gates of Agony.
I feel like they've done a pretty good job over the last
month or two of making them feellike more of a threat over to
being like somebody's jobbers for years or somebody like that.

(01:34:14):
So their their team with ricochets.
Definitely. I think that's been a good team
up. Anytime you see Adam Page on the
TV, always a good one. Him and Lee Moriarty was a solid
match. I mean then again it's one of
double TS favorite things where Ring of Honor champion loses on
TV but neither here nor there. So I got I got to ask you run to

(01:34:39):
fly because I'm, I'm a little bit confused.
They just had a pay-per-view event, did they not?
Two weeks ago. Yeah.
Yeah, same night as Russell Palooza.
OK, they have three title matches on Dynamite.
Yeah, yeah. Why?

(01:35:01):
What's wrong with that? They have 400 belts.
Every match could be a title match.
One of them was an open challenge match.
Who? Was that?
That was the Adam Paige, Lee Moriarty match.
Oh, Lee Moriarty won. But OK, it was an open
challenge, but they they announced it prior to the match

(01:35:21):
that he was. They they announced that it was
an open challenge. Yeah.
But then how did they have the video package in the like ready
for him before he? Came out, yeah.
Called him out beforehand or something like that.
Yeah, so not really the women. 'S title match with the meet of
melons. Yeah, so that was a.
That was a fun. One Mina melons Mina.
Melons. Shira Kawa.

(01:35:43):
Shira Kawa. Oh, is she the one that was
Shira Kawa? Was she the one always kissing
Tony Storm? Yes, still is too her.
Her body. They might They mash their tits
together, don't they? Something like that, yeah.
Kawa, I just, I don't, I don't know what the fucking point is,
you know what I mean? I can see four points there.

(01:36:04):
Oh. Shira Kawa.
Cut ice with them fucking things.
What? What I say?
What what? Well, the big the big thing is,
is they to me, the thing I like is that they with AW, they
announced all these. I had a, I had a hand or

(01:36:24):
whatever. I had a hand.
Yeah, I got you. Yeah, yeah.
The. I got a as opposed to where you
turn on Raw and they're just making fucking matches
throughout the show. Yeah, I don't like you.
I don't like you. Fucking we're going to match, I
mean. Wrestle later as opposed to, you
know, we got this 2 hour show. Let's right, right.
But we were talking, we were talking about AEW Brundle fly.

(01:36:46):
That's interesting. So that's it.
As opposed to. I just, I don't OHKOHK.
Yeah, hit me. Hey, the slurp truck doesn't
check your search history, right?
My search history. Yeah, Mina Shirakawa nude.

(01:37:07):
You're welcome. Shirakawa.
Shirakawa. Bro why did Brizo?
What the my 7 brizos yo. Jesus.
Shirakawa. Good Lordy Lord.
And and I don't I, I obviously we're talking about AEW here,

(01:37:34):
right? I don't like going.
Any any fuck did I miss? Any company does it.
We're talking AEW. Well, it goes from zero to 60 in
two seconds, double T. Yeah, dude, you're done checking
the boiler. Go clean those pipes pal.
Fuck. Yeah, dude.
Mina. Mina, Mina.

(01:37:55):
Oh yeah. Gracious.
Somebody. Somebody whoa you.
Knock it off, let the beef run, huh?
Fuck. Yeah, dude.
Sure, come. On and, and obviously we're,
we're talking about AEW here, Roberto, Of course we are.

(01:38:16):
Since, since you brought up, I don't think when any company
does it right, a, a televised championship match should be a
special occasion. Should they should be few and
far between. I I don't want to see three
title matches on my weekly TV period.
Care if you announce it? Don't announce it however it
works out. Title defense on weekly TV
should be a special occasion. Should be a rare occurrence.

(01:38:38):
I don't like it's. ATV title which?
TV, that was. It wasn't defended.
It was defended on collision though.
And I would love to have ATV title on either show.
And that was the only title on collision.
Yeah, that can fill that void. I just I and it doesn't matter
what what company you could tellme it was, it was the TNA
wouldn't fucking matter to me. Like you'd having three title

(01:38:58):
matches on a weekly program. Just it, I, I really, it feels
like it takes away the like thatspotlight of the title, the
value of the the title build to a title match.
Go that two weeks, then Title Tuesdays.
Title Tuesdays coming up. Is it?
Yeah, October 7th. Great, great.
But also like with the amount ofTV, like they have to fill it,

(01:39:20):
they have to fill time like. So why not?
You're going to parade your champions out there, No.
Well, yeah, I think that you canstill like you still parade your
champions. You have not obviously non title
matches as a way to do it. You can use these things to set
that. You hate the What are they
called? What are we calling them?
But we don't have to have fucking eliminators.
Eliminators. That was it.
Yeah, you don't have to. I I think that you can use that

(01:39:43):
time. You can still have your
champions out there. You can build to, to, to pay per
views. You know what I mean?
I I just, I don't like it acrossthe board.
That's fair. So you're not into the Sami Zayn
open challenge thing? We'll see.
If it is an open channel, like like when John Cena was doing
the open challenge weekly, if ifyou're having like an open
challenge every week and that's like, that was like kind of akin

(01:40:04):
to what the US title was when John Cena was doing it, it was
like like an open challenge. Now I gotta say it was open
challenge title, but he was doing it every time he was out
there. You knew if he was coming out
there on, you know, Monday NightRaw, you're going to get an open
challenge. So if it was a situation where
you're doing an open challenge, but you don't do an open
challenge with your world heavyweight title and an open
challenge that you are like the other guy had already accepted
and they have a video package ready to play for him.

(01:40:27):
You know what I mean? Like the open challenge was a
surprise. You didn't know who was coming
out to to answer the call. And it was, it wasn't the world
title, it was a fucking secondary belt.
Like I think that they had all companies.
I don't like when they do this shit.
Build, build, build to build to the pay-per-view.
Having a world title match on a weekly show should be rare and

(01:40:49):
special. And don't forget too, like John
Cena was a mega * when he did this.
You know, he wanted to give the up and coming guys a shot of the
title, you know, so somebody with his stature and his
position in the company, absolutely it makes sense.
You want some, come get some. He wanted to afford
opportunities to guys that maybedidn't have the opportunities
and he made everybody look like 1,000,000 bucks when he did it.

(01:41:12):
And I think that if, if you had like Kenny, if Kenny had the,
you know, Discovery Channel title and he was out there every
week doing an open challenge with it.
And you knew he was coming out and doing an open challenge.
And you had guys that were answering the call.
You didn't announce who it was before 'cause you wanted to see
who was going to come out and answer that call.
And you wanted to see the match that was going to get put
together. I could get on board with that.

(01:41:32):
But like saying I'm having an open challenge for the world
title and then announcing who he's going to face and have the
video. Like it just, it just takes the
whole charm of what an open challenge is away from it.
Can we have can we have Kenny Omega win the HBO Max title?
I'm not I, I'm I see what you'redoing, but WWE has just as many,
if not more titles. No, you're right.
They do. They do.

(01:41:54):
I just, you know, and we shit onit earlier.
Why do they have the speed title?
Why do they need these ID titleswhen everybody's either fucking
around and diddling somebody andgetting stripped or they're
getting pregnant. Like, like, what's the point?
I get it. It's overkill.
It's a fair, fair. It's absolutely overkill, but
but the other Stu nod thing is to like Ring of Honor champions
losing all the times on a WTV. Well, I mean that's it's the

(01:42:18):
ring. It's it's champions from your
whatever promotion, it is Ring of Honor, whatever losing.
And it's like, I really enjoyed the Hangman page Lee Moriarty
match, but I'm kind of with hands with Kevin, like they
should have just had to be a nontitle match.
Tony Khan really too much with the like this guy's from
Pittsburgh. So I want to feature him and I

(01:42:39):
can I'm sure people appreciate that and the talent appreciate
that. But to put him in like Hangman
Page is 4 days removed from thiskiller fucking main event with
Kyle Fletcher. And like Lauren, I get Lee
Moriarty. He's like the pure champion.
He's the longest reigning pure champion.
I'm like, well. And do you like I paid?

(01:42:59):
I'm sorry, HK, give him the fucking night off.
He just went through a war, you know what I'm saying?
Let him come to an interview andhave somebody come up to him and
go like, hey man, I've been watching you, I've been winning.
I've been doing this. Hey.
Man. Seriously, like let him come out
and challenge him and set something up for the next week.
Why can't we do short term storytelling like that?

(01:43:19):
And I can and I can appreciate the like wanted.
We have a guy from, you know, Pittsburgh we wanted, we want to
do something for him that's going to be special for him.
And we want to do something you know the crowd's going to enjoy.
Fucking run him out during a dark match, put him in the open,
have him go over in the opener. You know what I mean?
Like, you don't. You don't need to put him in the
world. A world fucking heavyweight

(01:43:41):
title match with no build for noreason.
You can enter if he's the longest reigning pure champion,
you put him out there. Say we're getting a special pure
match from Ring of Honor Lee Moriarty.
Pittsburgh's zone is going to behere defending his title.
And then, maybe, I don't know, it sounds crazy, while this
match is getting ready to happen, Javi and Rick Cabani

(01:44:04):
come in and explain to the people what a fucking pure match
is and let them showcase a pure match.
You might get some more eyes on fucking on Ring of Honor doing
something like that and then have this guy successfully
defend his title. God, maybe create some fucking
buzz about a promotion that you're letting rotten.
Hell, I think asking people to pay $10 a month to watch their

(01:44:26):
TV is fucking nuts. Give it to them for free.
Like what? The fuck that's I think if they
did that they it would definitely help.
Do you remember the days when AEW had like fucking Dark and
dark elevation and elevating dark and remember that shit?
Rampage, yeah. Throw a Ring of Honor on there.
Fuck it, I did enjoy dynamite, but there was one thing.

(01:44:50):
Oh boy. That really fucking annoyed me.
Did it grind your gears? I I just, I don't understand,
right? Hologram Hologram 30.
What's he 34 and O why? Why is Kyle Fletcher calling him

(01:45:10):
out? Because he's under?
Shouldn't it be the other way around?
I'm undefeated. You're running from me.
I want your TNT Championship. I.
Yep. OK.
He's a luchador. Maybe he doesn't speak English
like I just, I don't know. It really annoyed me.

(01:45:32):
It annoyed me. The six man was so much fun.
Pockets his back. Cool.
Oh great. I enjoyed it on the alarms.
I'm really digging the Hechasarobut the half Kyle Fletcher come
out and call out hologram post match just felt so fucking
dopey. It didn't even matter anyway cuz

(01:45:54):
holograms hurt. See you next year, right?
Yeah. Yep.
I haven't haven't. I like, I like Orange Cassidy.
I do like Orange. I've always liked Orange
Cassidy, but having them in thisthe conglomeration fashion,
which is is just no rhyme or reason to them and there's

(01:46:14):
doesn't seem like a common thread.
They don't seem like the any of them should be together.
And I know that's the thing likewell, that's why they're
together. Doesn't seem like I even like it
just doesn't it doesn't do anything for me.
Like I when he had the what fucking belt was it?
International. Yeah, he had.
The international title and his little fucking backpack.
And his backpack and like I usually I hate that shit
normally where you you like display the title that you have,

(01:46:36):
but like it played into his character and I loved what he
was doing and it seemed like he was building like like a little
bit of a resume for you can get behind him and and now he comes
back and he's he's in a Don Callus painting and it just it
doesn't do shit for me. Would would you say that that
pockets was the inspiration for Moxley putting a belt in a
suitcase? You trade up, I.

(01:47:00):
Don't know man. It didn't work the same.
It didn't work, no. But you know, Jon Moxley was
like, hey, Pockets did all rightwith that shit.
Maybe I'll put mine in a suitcase, man.
I'll tell you what I am. Now that the Death Riders are
not holding the championship hostage, I am enjoying them a
little more. Good.

(01:47:22):
That makes one of us. You know what I hate?
I I and I don't understand why. I don't know why they're trying
to put Bowens and Castor back together, because neither one of
them is doing fuck all of anything, right?
Yeah, but nobody gives a shit. Yeah, but they got to do their
sesame Timbers and all that shit.
That's fucking stupid. It's dumb.
And Jerry Lynn's involved now. Like, we're just swapping out
Billy Gunn for Jerry Lynn. Like what?

(01:47:44):
Where did Billy Gunn go? Pew.
Pew. No idea helping Ricochet with
his aim. Your boy was on Collision HK.
Yes, I know he was. Did you watch?
I did I look. At all.
You got to it. I, I want to thank Brundle Fly
for, for giving me the Iggy on that.
That was, that was appreciated. I was able to watch it before we

(01:48:04):
started tonight. I love Dalton Castle.
I fucking love the guy. He's an absolute son.
You know what I like the, the, the, the, the, I was going to
call him the turbo fuckers, but yeah, I, I like, I like that.
I I I like the outrunners, too. The boys, The boy.
Did you watch this? Did you guys watch this?
Yeah. OK.

(01:48:25):
What the fuck is wrong with the boys?
None of them. Could do this.
There's a lot wrong with the boys.
One of them's one of them. It's like they're doing 123
claps. Like it's it's In Sync, you dumb
jackasses. It's In Sync.
None of them are gone for so long.
The boys are very rusty. They need to bring in Scotty
Riggs to teach. I got rusty, boys.

(01:48:46):
Can I, can I suggest something for Dalton Castle?
What if he just took two guys from the roster every week and
just made them the boys? No.
No, no, but like like legitimatepeople, like one day, like Mark
Briscoe's a boy. He did that in Ring of Honor.
Like when Don Castle was at his height, like the Viking Raiders

(01:49:07):
were the boys. It was Jansen and and bring it
and bring it back, dude. Re dragon or red dragon or
whatever, they were boys. Could you imagine, like Anthony
Bowens and Max Caster, like you're trying to bring them
together? They're the boys.
One week. That would be fun.
Well like 2 assholes that reallycan't stand each other.
Like fucking like Darby Allen and Jon Moxley are the boys.

(01:49:28):
One week MJF and. Briscoe fuck.
Yeah. Dude, they mark Briscoe and Ishi
E. Like just fuck with it, you
know? Oh my God, Ishi E and fucking
take a shitter. That'd be awesome as fuck.
You seen that little fat fucker waddling down the aisle?
Fuck yeah. Young bucks could be the young
boys. The.

(01:49:48):
Works for me dude. I had, I I loved seeing him.
I loved seeing him back and I and I thought like we would, it
was fun. Like the intro was fun.
They didn't do anything like super over the top or anything
like that. It was the what you would expect
of the intro. I I the one thing that I hated.
It was such a short match to find something to hate.

(01:50:11):
But when the when the runners just come in the ring for no
apparent reason, no tag, no nothing.
They just come in the ring and the referee doesn't do a fucking
thing. He just walks back into the
corner and just lets it happen. Like out of nowhere, no tag,
nothing's going on. And Dalton's in the ring as a
legal man. And then here come the runners
in the ring to do a move. You, you.
Son of a bitch. Like, why are you doing that?

(01:50:34):
What's the like? And you're the good guys.
You're the fucking good guys. That that bugged the hell out of
me. But he's back.
I'm happy he's back. And anytime he's on my Tvi will
watch him on my TV. To the castle.
To the castle anything else out of awi know we're we're we're up

(01:50:55):
against 9:00 so I know we want to get the.
Homework. We got women's tag belts coming.
Yeah, we got women's tag belts coming.
I guess that's the thing. Tony Tony Khan cut what, like a
3 minute promo where he didn't blink one time?
Yep. It wasn't 3.
Minutes we were. I was at my buddy's house and he
was trying to not blink along with them.
Yeah, he couldn't do it. Is there?

(01:51:20):
Do we? No.
Do we, do we, do we, do we want to talk about Masha or do we
just want to get the homework? What is there to say?
Akira said let's move on. So, you know, yeah.
All right, we're moving on. We'll be the ones.

(01:51:40):
We'll be the ones to listen to. Akira, Akira, Akira.
Hey baby, when you hit me like that.
Underneath your horse. I I want to apologize for what

(01:52:05):
anybody gets offended that we were making fun of a a serious
situation. We would never do such a thing.
What Punch a man? Well, we know you would.
You know what? That's my customer.
I do just there's just one thingI need to say.
Oh, oh, I knew. I knew I'd get him fired up.

(01:52:26):
I just, I don't know, it's just the whole situation, the whole
Masha Slamovich thing is weird, but because like the PWI 500
came out and like, oh, we didn'ttalk about that and and it was
like, oh, this is like she's ranked 25 and like she's not a
great person. Like I just felt like it was a

(01:52:48):
weird. And also I think it's weird that
Akira has an agent. Well, it's not a very good one.
Like, I thought it was our manager, whatever he is, like
she's been on NXT, she's been like heavily featured on TNA.
She was like in a major storyline for the NXT Women's
title. Like, I feel like that's a
bigger platform and be like, hey, by the way, this is the

(01:53:12):
type of person she is. But you wait till the PWI 500
comes out, as Adam Baum told us last week, clearly a worked
list. Like, I don't know, I was like,
this is a fucking weird time to hang on the rim and like, be
like, this lady is a piece of shit.
So she's #25 in the men's PWI? They put in women who do inter

(01:53:35):
gender. Fuck that, Fuck that.
There's some poor fucking slob busting his nuts trying to make
the 500 and he's got can't be inthere because of Macha
Slamovich. I think our guest from last week
was in the on the list. Oh, well, good for her.
Remember when they put Mad Maxine as, as like, the first
woman that made it in there and everybody was like, great, Yeah,

(01:53:55):
you know why they did that? Yeah, well #1 to generate buzz.
But #2 there was no women's PWI 500 or whatever, 100, you know?
No, Chris Starr is 244 this year.
Yeah, good for her. Well done.
Yeah, All right, whatever. She shifts with the door open.
I want a dude to be on the fucking women's top.

(01:54:18):
Whatever they do, I do. I want a dude.
Why equality bro? What was that?
Tony's 50. 4154, about 20 or something like that.
I want a dude. Yeah, like.
We almost missed that one HK topten.

(01:54:44):
I mean, look, it is what it is. I think we pretty much nailed
like, you know, the top three. Yeah, I don't think there's any
any egregious. I mean, does Hiroki Goto deserve
top ten? I'm not a New Japan guy really.
He won, he won the title and then he defended it like more
than anybody in the last decade in the in the eight months he

(01:55:08):
had it or however like that. So like 4 times.
So no funny. Guy Tropical's right, Andy
Kaufman would have been #1. Fuck yeah.
Yeah, still undefeated. Yep.
Him and fucking Mighty Maccabee never fucking lost a match.
I do. I don't.
So I was reading the Wrestling Observer today, and I don't know

(01:55:33):
if it's negligence by me or maybe I I'll ask you guys.
Apparently Mystiko is like, likehuge in like huge in Mexico.
Yeah. I don't realize.
Like they sang his fucking song for 45 minutes before he
wrestled MJF. Yeah, but like, everybody's
singing fucking. They sing Adam Copeland's

(01:55:54):
fucking song. They're on this page.
He was like in like the mid to early 2000s, he was like
whatever John Cena was here, those guys, that was him.
He was selling out 1012 thousand.
Yeah, that's what he would. That's what Dave was saying.
And I was like, this is this is beyond me.

(01:56:16):
I didn't realize he was that bigof a fucking star.
He still is, yeah. But I mean, the biggest star in
Mexico, like, that's like the biggest star in Ring of Honor
these days. Hold your tongue.
I don't know man, Mexico's stillpretty fucking big with the pro
wrestling. I mean Micro Man is a huge star
for AAA. Alberto's back in AAA.

(01:56:39):
OK. Terrific.
One month, he was gone. Loser leaves for a month.
Month. Yeah.
And Sam Adonis said it was one of the biggest pops he's heard
or been in the ring with. They love.
They love him, man. Yeah.
OK. So on the homework.
Yeah, on the homework. On to homework.

(01:57:02):
I went blind like you guys did, and I picked a match that I'd
never seen before. Brian Danielson, Roderick
Strong, Ring of Honor, Super Card of Honor, 2006.
It was a longer match. Oh no HKS already in back here.
If you need me I'm very interested to see what what I
think it was the length of the match HK doesn't like long

(01:57:25):
things. Sorry Brendo.
We both had the same idea. He went one way I went the
other. He going he's fucking around.
He all right, go ahead, man. Hey, double team so.
I don't see him. So were you in the Ring of Honor

(01:57:45):
around this time, 2005? This was first final battle,
wasn't it? This was first Super card of
Honor. Super card of Honor.
That was it? No, I was out as a wrestling fan
at this point. Oh, that's right.
TuneIn Wednesday for the bonus show.
This was, this was kind of one of the first times they really
started doing shows around the WrestleMania weekend.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I, so I had never seen it

(01:58:09):
before and I, I really enjoyed it.
I liked it was like a chess game.
Brian Danielson as like a heel is he's such a piece of shit
Dick head like. I, I really enjoyed it.
There was a lot of a lot of mat work, a lot of technical

(01:58:30):
wrestling, interesting reversals.
You know, it it picked up towards the end.
This the finish was kind of surprising.
It didn't feel like it was 55 minutes.
Oh, it, it kind of did. Yeah, it did.
Yeah. I, I watched it this afternoon.
I thought it flowed very well. No, it did.
It didn't. It didn't really drag at any
points. But yeah, it, it, it felt that

(01:58:50):
55 minutes for sure. It didn't feel like 100 minutes
and it didn't feel like 20 minutes.
It was, it was about what it felt like and I honestly didn't
pick it because I googled because I really like Rodney
Strong. I googled what his best match
ever was and I found an article and this was the number one
match. I was like, yes, I definitely
want to watch this. And then I saw it was an hour,
but I was already committed to it.

(01:59:11):
So it was not like a fuck you guys type of deal.
Brenda, I'll throw it to you first.
Yeah, so I've recently actually watched this match, did a watch
along with the ROH boys, Will and Tom.
Oh, you like the match? JA JA JA.
And yeah, I really enjoyed it. Like at this point, Danielson

(01:59:32):
was one of the top wrestlers easily in the world.
Roddy really like 2005 and 6 like he he came into his own
like when he came into ROH in like 2004 he's this doughy guy
that threw chops and did a shit load of backbreakers.
But in like 2 years he became one of the best wrestlers in the

(01:59:55):
world and hasn't stopped. And he looks fucking fantastic.
So I I love this match. I didn't feel like it felt like
an hour either. It really really flowed really
well. And those fucking chops.
Jesus Christ. Yeah man, his chops were fucking
for real. Holy shit, I like the match.

(02:00:16):
I wasn't head over heels for it.I wasn't Gaga for it.
There were a few spots that kindof took me out of things.
What I did like, I like that there wasn't a lot of flippy fly
shit in this match. When it happened, it was
important to the story. It counted.
So I was like, OK, you know what?
This is just the perfect amount of like flying through the air

(02:00:37):
trying to hit stuff to the outside.
It made sense from a storytelling standpoint.
Commentary I thought was excellent up until about the
last 15 minutes where all of a sudden it became like, can Roddy
overcome? And it's like, no, that's not
the story you were telling. You can't change the story
midstream, you know what I'm saying?
Like it was like Roddy's almost like Roddy's getting desperate,

(02:00:59):
like running out of time or Danielson can't put him away.
It's kind of like it didn't fit.It kind of took me out of it a
bit. Stuff that I didn't like.
There was one point where I wantto say Danielson, I think had
him in some sort of like bear hug or chicken wing or
something, and Roddy went to reach the ropes and Danielson
kind of put his feet down to stop him from reaching and then

(02:01:21):
half a second later just walked him into the corner anyway to
fucking break the hole. So I was like, what the fuck are
you doing? Are you stopping him or are you
fucking with him? You know, like that kind of took
me out. The other big thing that really
took me out of it, it was when the commentators were like, oh,
Lance Storm's coming out of retirement, he's going to be
wrestling tomorrow and he's wrestling the winner of this

(02:01:43):
match. And right away I'm like, who
gives a fuck if Lance Storm is wrestling Roddy Strong?
Nobody, nobody, nobody. 2006 Ring of Honor fans 100%.
But also like, this wasn't this wasn't this was all DVD release,
right? You this was not live.
You couldn't watch this live. So I didn't under, I didn't get
that. Yeah.

(02:02:05):
Yeah, but it doesn't matter. They fucking they, they gave it
away. Like at that point, I'm like,
Danielson's winning this. I'm like, he's winning this.
Down the stretch, I was like, well, maybe you know, 'cause it
was like, this is Roddy's final chance.
Maybe it was his third chance. Maybe third time's a charm.
So I was getting into that. When I heard that, I was like
fuck. So like at the end, like when
Danielson wins with the fucking roll up out of the fucking

(02:02:27):
submission that Roddy was tryingto, that submission's kind of
shitty. Looking by the way.
That fucking weird ass crab where he's off to the side, it's
like, I get it. It's Ring of.
Yeah. It's like it's Ring of Honor.
They want to do something different.
And Danielson was fucking all over the place doing the cattle
mutilation. He kept falling over and shit, I
think half the time, like he didn't mean to fall out of it,
but he did. Look overall I liked it.

(02:02:50):
I thought it was, I thought it was a pretty well paced match,
but there was a lot of shit thatI was kind of like.
And look, I'm not looking for perfection.
I get it, shit happens, it is what it is.
A couple of those things could have been avoided, but I enjoyed
this overall. Would I ever assign a fucking
hour long match? Maybe not, but I I was down for
this one. Speaking of down for the count,
I guess HK has no commentary. That's OK.

(02:03:13):
You know. I want to believe that Double T
is a good guy. I think, you know, mostly I
think he's a good friend, you know, Might get it, No.
No, no, no, no, no, no. Come on.
Come on, come on. You got to you got to let him
talk. HKI, apologize for Double T Go

(02:03:35):
ahead brother. No, I expected from him.
He assigns matches. I got to plan my entire day
around. We've watched it while you
walked through the fucking Shire.
It takes less time to bake a potato than it does to watch
this match. Log fucking match.
And again I think double T. Is a pretty good.

(02:03:56):
Guy generally, and he assigns his homework and I fucking loved
it. I loved.
It. So double T my man pulling
through in the clutch with a match that going in, going in, I
knew I had Brian Danielson for an hour knew that and and and

(02:04:20):
he's a guy I can I can watch wrestle for an hour, generally
speak, you know what I mean? He generally does not disappoint
me throughout the match. Like there was very few like NIT
picky things I could point to and go, well, I didn't much care
for that, right? That that might have been too
much. The two things that I did not
like in this match when Danielson walked away and Roddy

(02:04:40):
grabbed the mic and he's like, come back.
You motherfucker didn't need it.You know what I mean?
Like there was there was, there was, there was no point to that
in the match they were putting on.
They're putting on a fucking killer match.
Putting that in there doesn't doanything for me.
You know what I mean? Like it?
It doesn't add any steam to whatthey're doing in the ring,
because what they were doing in the ring was all the steam that

(02:05:00):
this motherfucker needed. This was clean.
This was beautiful. Loved everything about it.
The one thing outside of the motherfucker spot that I didn't
like when he went up in for that, that top rope gut gut
Buster, I was like the kind of Dean Malenko, Ray Mysterio spot
there. And he came down it, it landed
so awkwardly. It looked like he hit him right
in the fucking ball bag. And Danielson didn't sell the

(02:05:22):
ball bag. And I was like, you just got the
fucking, you got the Malenko gutBuster off the top, but he
busted your ball bag and you're not selling the ball bag like
you have to sell the ball bag, even if it's a mistake like you
100% you sell that ball bag, yousell it.
But I'll tell you this double T,I'll tell you this.
That's a one like, can I go over?

(02:05:44):
Can I go over? Oh.
Can I go over 1 man? I, I, I, I had a great time
watching this match and I had a bunch of other jokes I was going
to talk about like how, you know, I could have watched that
two time speed and you know, still lost like 7 matches and
like, there's a ton I had a ton of, but you know, I had, I had a
great time watching this match. I, I could, I, I can watch shit
like this over and over and overagain and still be entertained.

(02:06:07):
You know what? No fucking weapons, no fucking
blood everywhere. They weren't flying around like
a bunch of fucking spot monkeys.Things flowed together.
There was submissions. There was reasons for the
submissions and where they wherethey went to work, what they
worked. This was this was fantastic.
Man, I thank you for this homework.
I thank you for this homework. Well, you're very well.

(02:06:27):
I'm glad because I picked it andI was like, like, there's a
sweet spot for Ring of Honor where this is like that match,
like there's a lot of those matches that and that's what put
Ring of Honor on the mat. And I was like, man, I hope this
is not like a like a because like when we like 2011, like

(02:06:49):
there's a Roddy strong Eddie Edwards match where it's a lot
of like lot of backbreakers and big moves and kick outs at 2:00.
And it's like it kind of it kindof kind of isn't a good match.
But this match, this match, likethe fucking the way they were
get Danielson got out of the surfboard like the first the the

(02:07:11):
first time he tried to do it. Like I've never seen that done
before and I don't think I've ever seen it done since.
Like just just like everything like Roddy backing him into the
corner with with with with the chest, with the with the the the
slaps, sorry, macho man. And then Danielson trying to
shoot like a double leg takedown.

(02:07:31):
Like it makes sense. How are you going to get out of
the corner? Like you're going to try and
fucking. It was.
It was such a great chess match.I really, really enjoyed it.
I wish, I wish that I would haveseen more, more straight like
punches, but that's, that's, that's always going to be, you
know, why are we throwing forearms instead of punching?
You know what I mean? Like that type of stuff.
I, I just, I don't like that thecommentators at the end did kind

(02:07:54):
of bug me. They've been here for 5 1/2
hours and nobody's going anywhere.
And you can fuck, you can clearly see everybody's fucking
leaving. You know what I mean?
Like you can see people picking up chairs and like, no, they're,
they're still giving them a standing ovation 5 1/2 hours
later, everybody's here. They're ready for more.
And you're like, no, they're fucking.
We can see you're on. There's a, there's a screen.

(02:08:15):
We can see what's happening. This isn't a radio broadcast.
So, but no overall, man, hats off, thumbs up, the whole.
Bit Papa Dick. Papa Dick.
Yeah. Around the horn.
We got thumbs up. Yep.
Oh, great. Yeah.
And it's on YouTube. The link was in the Spotify show
description. So if you didn't get a chance to

(02:08:35):
watch it or you want to watch it, that's where it is.
Or just throw in Danielson Roderick Strong on Ring of Honor
on YouTube and it'll pop right up.
It's it's a phenomenal match. Watch it to the watch alongs
that me Will and Tom did and Brett Brett did from brain
Buster boys. Yeah, big Dick Brett.
Yeah, we did all three matches over times as watch alongs on

(02:09:00):
the on Tom's feed. So it's good times.
Brando Ball is in your court, I believe.
All right, so we are doing another match that I am going in
and I'm pretty sure everybody else is going in blind.
Oh boy. So we are going September 19th,

(02:09:24):
2014 to Arena Mexico CMLL 81st Anniversary show, the first ever
non WWE $1,000,000 gate. We will be watching Atlantis
versus Ultimo Guerrero in a mask.
First mask match that they builtup for five years.

(02:09:48):
Made event of the biggest CMLL show, so I've never seen it.
I've heard this match was a really good 12 Legends so I'm
interested to see see what it looks like.
Wow. Yeah, this is either going to be
really good or really bad. 5050 I might I might have seen this

(02:10:11):
one. Really.
Yeah. I'm looking forward to it
though. Those are my people.
I got the link, I'll I'll send it.
I'll send it after this so. Oh, please do.
Yeah, I'm excited for this. I like this.
This is was my vision for homework like I like.
This. Not Invisible Man versus
Invisible Stan. I loved Invisible Man versus

(02:10:33):
Invisible Stan. Not not the not the the Bron
Penny Gauntlet match. I love the Bron Penny gauntlet
match. That was way better than I
thought it would be. Yeah, I agree.
Not the pudding match. I love chocolate pudding
matches. I care for that.
See. I picked some not the buck zoom

(02:10:53):
off documentary. Go ahead, go ahead and say it.
I didn't love the Buck Zoom Off documentary.
It was wrestling. You're related?
Yeah, no wrestling difference. In fairness, you could have
watched that documentary three times in the length of fucking
Double T's homework. That is fair.
You wouldn't have to take a shower afterwards though if.

(02:11:16):
You'd have plenty of time to do it.
These fans are here for five hours.
I'm like, yeah, Ring of Honor 2005.
That sounds about right. Yeah, I, I was at a bunch of
those over the years. Yeah, over there were five.
And some of those were really fucking long shows.
All right, OK, terrific. I think there was a fun show.

(02:11:41):
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, agreed.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, what do we have, Macho Man
impersonator next week? Yep.
Macho. Verse.
We'll see if if they're going toreach out to him about the
biopic. Oh, they're doing a movie about
him fucking videotaping hiding hidden cameras at Gorgeous
George's house. Now why?

(02:12:03):
What now I got, I got to know why would you have?
Why would you? Why out of all the things you
could say about the the legend that is the Macho Man Randy?
Because that's because that pisses me off to this day that
they fucking did this amazing documentary on him and then they
fucking at the very like 2-3 minutes at the end of the
fucking episode. They made him out to be a big
piece of shit. That's why that annoyed you

(02:12:24):
bring it up. They're solely the man because
it sticks in my craw. God damn it.
And with that, we cure the motherfucking music because I'm
aggravating. You got a pretty sticky craw
though. This has been a production of
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Thank you all so much for your continued support.
Go. Nate, Diana I close for.

(02:13:50):
I love the big package. Oh.
You have aids. Damn dog.
Deez Nuts. How dare you?
Ligamables. Oh shit.
God, you, Tony, rediscovered thesoundboard.

(02:14:18):
You really one of the Honduras flag the whole time, huh?
No. What?
Yeah, I got to represent my people.
Are they? Your outlandish.
My wife is part Honda Raino. How is Zicky Dice doing?
He's outlandish. Hell yeah.

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