Episode 772: The Show Is Not Perfect

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All right, welcome to episode 772 of the Shine and Wizards
podcast. The last time it was finally now
on Saturday, and we will be talking about and paying tribute
to the Doctor of Thuganomics himself, John Chana at 7:45.
Feel free to call in if you've seen a moments.
We'll have a link. All that fun stuff for you, plus

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we got plenty of other stuff to talk about.
The C2 with AW is rolling. We saw one of the best moments
ever on Wednesday as Jungle Jackhad an Okada snack.
All this and more as we get intoit with some wrestling talk and.
Talk about wrestling. Brondo.
Double T, Tony. That's Kevin.

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A snack, you say? No, boy, it was a whole snack
attack. How you guys doing?
Tired as fuck, man. I don't know what happened
today. At 5:30 or so, I hit a brick
wall. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that,
buddy. Getting old, man, Getting old.
How about you guys? I'm doing great.
Well. Not all at once, OK?

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Not everybody being quiet as he's HK.
How are you? Hey man, I'm all he's doing.
I'm fucking. I'm I'll show you a Bob wig.
Come here anyway. I'm doing great, man.
I'm, I'm, I'm ready for vacations where I'm at.
That's where I'm at, man. Where we go in Mexico, of
course. Same place.
You every year. Well, what else you got?

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Double T. What else you got?
I don't know. Keep on coming, buddy boy.
I'm ready. Come on.
We're ready today. I don't know.
Yeah. You know, HKI didn't want to say
it, but, yeah, you're you're a little, like, out of sorts
today. Everything OK?
No. You know, I show up and double
TS shitting on my chest as soon as I get here, right?
Yeah, but I thought you like that kind of thing, you know?
Not really. I don't love it.
I don't love it. It would be an honor and a

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privilege to take a dump on yourchest.
I feel like it would be and I I think I'm accepting of that from
you, Brenda Fly. Well, you know, I didn't, I had
a question about the fantasy Football League we were in.
I didn't want to. I know Sundays are like your day
where you watch football with your friends.
So I didn't want to text you yesterday and bother you.
So I said I'm just going to see you tomorrow night.

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So I just asked you tonight and you know, of course I broke your
balls because that's what I do like if I was like, just ask you
a question and then we're like, all right, thanks.
Like and go about my business. Then you But then you probably
know I don't like you, but I butthen but why can't I go?
Why can't I go to Mexico? I love you too, buddy boy.
Can't I just go to Mexico? You do the same thing every.
I can't you just say, hey, I hope you have a great time.

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I hope you have an awful time. You do I know it's it's really
it's a shame too. I hope, I hope you have an
absolutely wonderful holiday season without.
I hope you Molly's back. You made, you made my holiday
card. You know, I think you think
you're a good friend and all that and then I show up and you
shit on my chest. I hope you shit on Molly's back.

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What did you say? Shit up Molly's back.
He's got moves. He's got moves that I don't do.
They do weird stuff. I don't do those stuff.
Must be a Morris. Well they were sleeping back and
HK shot shit. So he'd have to be pointing up
the back though not. Necessarily why would he shit on
his wifes back? That makes he would do it on

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purpose. He would get sick from the food
he ate in Mexico and. They haven't.
Of diarrhea. Let me all right, let me ask a
question. How long are you going away for,
buddy? Like a week.
Yeah, what a week. So are you going to walk around
the, the wonderful lush landscape of Mexico or are you
just going to do circles in yourhotel room for 8 hours?
No, no, I've already, I've already mapped it out.
I checked it out. I think, I think I got the

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whole, the whole resort there. I think I probably a couple of
passes. I got my, my 8 miles in first
thing in the morning and then I'll pick up the other two
throughout the day. OK, terrific.
Also, you're going, you're not really going to Mexico.
You're going to a resort in Mexico.
Here we go. We're not like, oh, you're not.
What do you think? What do you think?

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The resorts in Florida. But we I just call it Mexico.
No, I'm going to fucking Mexico.The resort is made so people go
to Mexico, like real Mexico. Like people die.
It's gross. Like, have you ever been to what
you call real Mexico? No, I don't want to go down
there. OK.
I've been to what you call down where?
It's just like down there. You don't go off the resort.

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I know you. I've been off the resort.
You stay in your lane, walk down5th Ave. up and down 5th Ave.
Double TS been off the reservation if you.
I did have a question though. Handsome Kevin great Christmas
card right? Encapsulates everything that is
handsome Kevin and Molly the rogues, beautiful the dog, Molly
him friends, fantastic. Somebody sends a picture of just

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their goofy kid, and I don't getthat.
I had zero say in this. I was going to say that's a Tony
card. Then it is.
I got it. It's on the refrigerator.
And that's interesting, because one might wonder why one didn't.
Get that card. Listen, you're the asshole with
the problems with the post office, buddy, not me.

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I wonder somebody's off your Christmas list, huh, Tony?
No, it's in the mail. You should have gotten it.
You should have gotten it. You didn't, though.
I'm going to text my wife right now.
I'm going to say hey, yeah, I bet you she responds with yes.
Oh, you got it. You fucking hand job.
Your wife. It was, it was just handed to

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me. We'll see.
She was holding out. Yeah, she was holding out.
It looks like you sent me a kid of a picture of a of a minor.
What is this? A great picture is a great
Christmas card for Bug Zoomhoff.No, too many clothes.
That is a weird Christmas guy. I love you, Tony, I do.
But that's a weird fucking card,man.

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You had to hear my son's reaction when I showed him what
what my wife sent out. Had to angle the camera just to
make sure. It says Honor Society.
So everybody knows. Oh, no, that that was 100% like
the reason. Yeah.
Notice not even a not even a Merry Christmas or a Happy
Holidays. It's just as joyful.

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What the fuck? It's swinging a miss, man.
This isn't even like a holiday card.
I'm going to play this. I'm going to play these first 5
minutes for the wife tomorrow. What the fuck is this?
I mean, don't. Kid Alamurdi on it.
I should have sent one to Buck. That's a miss.

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Not too late. That's a faldozer.
That's true. You don't think he could get
there in less than 10 days? No.
He might get another five years if he gets a card like that.
Send them too. It's.
Too young, too. Too old at this point.
Well, fuck, right? Yeah, but everybody's good.
Sure, you guys? Are you ready for the holidays?

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Nope. Yep.
I, yeah, I think I'm ready. I think I'm I think I'm at the
point where I'm ready. We got 10 days to go.
You figured out my homework. Everything's good.
Hey, at least you figured it outbefore the show, not during the
show like you usually do. No, I've had I've had the last
couple planned out. It's just that the the very last
choice was option C finally cameto fruition.

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So who's up this week? You are.
Oh, shit. I got to pick my homework.
Oh, you wait, you texted me. It's my turn for homework.
Did I respond? Oh, shit, yes.
No, but you've done that on the show, Like oh, who's next?
Or like you? And you're like, oh, fuck, I got
to pick my homework for tonight.It is better than asking what
the homework is while we are on the show.

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Tony, you are assigning homeworktonight, OK?
I'm I can see how you can get that confused.
OK? Oh shit.
You know. Assholes.
There's an O in there, you know,HK.
Yeah. Assigning homework.
Fucking awesome. It's going to become one of

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those things that you guys just keep doing during the whole
show. Probably doing things during the
whole show. Fucking awesome.
It's going to be every other thing I write down for every
other. Thong, thong, thong.
Every other thong. Well it it came and went and the
last time is now is in the books.

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Saturday night's main event tookplace Saturday night.
Tony 2 hours before and realizedhe didn't have Peacock anymore
and you know what? I got aggravated.
I can't justify paying for Peacock for a month when next
month everything's going to be gone.
So like, what's the point? January, I'm canceling this

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shit. So Double T was gracious enough
to loan to loan me his gimmicks and I and I got to watch it.
But yeah, I was not, I wasn't dropping 1099 for that.
Although truth be told, it was nice having Peacock for free for
an entire year. So I can't complain about that,
but it is what it is there. There was a pre show and I know

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and so Kevin usually watches thepre shows.
But now that that we do like ESPN and it's all fucked up.
Did you watch the pre show? No, I was.
I was. I was.
Doing some shooting with my birthday buddy and Justin.
All right. The only thing I saw from the
pre show that was worth mentioning was Jesse Ventura was
on there. He's got a whole new look.

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And then he that was Stephanie McMahon.
No, it was not. No, she was the host.
Oh he was. Throughout the Saturday nights
main event, he goes. He won the championship 17
times, which means he lost it 17times.
Why are we celebrating that? Tony, what did that make him?

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A. Fucking loser.
Hey, man. 17 time fucking loser.Jesse.
Jesse's absolutely right, and Jesse's playing the heel
commentator he was known to be, and that's something that Jesse
Ventura would. Say.
So I have no problems with everybody else could fucking eat
balls. Yep, everybody else can, you

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know, suck his Dick for the lastnight.
Oh, we're going to miss you. Suck my Dick.
It's full of thermite paint. All right, so I think you're
each talking about sucking somebody else's Dick.
So Tony's talking about sucking Jesse Ventura's Dick and
Brenda's talking about sucking John Cena's Dick.
You can't suck him. I don't.

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Know everybody getting their Dick with it, but yeah, I mean
John Cena's last match what's there's a lot of people are
wild. Nope.
People are stupid. Well, that too.
But that that also makes people wild.
This is crazy, crazy town, USA. I don't think it's a surprise to

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anybody on the panel here that he lost.
Not one bit. We all predicted it, it was
going to happen. I know there's some question as
to the way he lost, but I didn'tsee a problem with it.
He had him in a fucking sleeper hold for like 8 minutes.

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I wish he wasn't smiling when hetapped, but you know.
But I, I think that's, I think that's like him realizing, like
him like knowing, just knowing, like, OK, like I'm done, like,
like knowing there was no way out.
Because every time he had a flash of like, you know, trying

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to get out of it, Gunther went right fucking back to it, even
ate an A A and jumped right backup and got him back into it.
I mean, it did go for a really fucking long time.
It was long. I think that match was longer
than the other three combined, or at least it was close.
Completely possible, completely possible.

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But I, I, I have no no qualms with the result.
I also heard that Kevin Owens actually like was recovering at
home and flew himself to DC justso he could be there for the
moment. I also heard that fucking Nikki
Knockers was eating shit becauseshe decided to go to a fucking
Pittsburgh hockey game or some shit.
A Flyers game. Oh, a Philly.

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A Philly. Oh, you're going to eat shit in
Philly every time you go there? But it's just weird, like every
fucking every everybody else came out and.
I mean, she's, you know, divorced from John Cena.
I I but. She's on the roster, isn't she?
Well, they're not divorced. They never got married.
Randy Orton wasn't there. No, they sent Randy off to US,

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lady, didn't they? They were married, didn't they?
He proposed her in the middle ofthe ring.
He. Proposed to her, yes, they
never. Got married?
They never got married, no. Oh well.
She wouldn't sign like a prenup,so he was like.
Peace. So you're you're freak.
I don't I I don't know that thatthat whole fucking Divas,

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whatever that show was, that wasall fugazi anyway.
I don't think I don't think he had any intention of marrying
her, to be honest with you. Whatever.
HK where are you on the the finish to John Chana's career?
I don't I really don't mind thathe lost like we all kind of went
with, you know, knowing that he was going to he was going to

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lose. It's it's it's the right thing
to do in a lot of respects. The way that he lost in the
sleeper. I, I didn't necessarily mind
that. The only thing that kind of
stuck out to me that I wish theywould have done differently is
is I wish he wouldn't have tapped.
I wish he just would have went out, you know, for, for a guy
that had that never give up on his across his shirt for however

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long that he did for his final moment to be him giving up was
kind of disappointing to me. So I wish he would have just I
wish he would have just went night night or did somehow went,
you know, hit the the pinfall. However it would have worked
out. That's the only thing like also
that if that's the way he wantedto go out, I give a shit.
Last man, it's his last match. He he how many years he's put in

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all the accomplishments. He he can go out the way he
wants to go out. But that was the thing that
stuck out to me in the finish was for saying never give up for
how long? And then giving up was a little
bit disappointing. And I I completely get that.
It's a very valid argument and you've seen it a lot in the last
couple days. But my question to that is like
him passing out that that doesn't doesn't help him.

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And I mean, it helps protect himbecause it does nothing for
Gunther. So John Cena is going to go away
forever and he's never going to wrestle again.
And what John Cena is just a guyor Gunther's just the dude that
made John Cena pass out? Well, Gunther still won the
match. I mean, and they could they
could have went to a pinfall as well.
I mean, does a pinfall mean moreto you than than John Cena
giving up after, you know, always saying never give up or

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does a pinfall hold more significance than him passing
out in the ring? I mean, Gunther went over either
way. I just think, like I said, that
I'm it might be a little bit more sentimental of me than
anything else to say. I wish you wouldn't have tapped
out. Somebody made a great point
against that online and it's genius.
And I think if you see it this way, it makes a lot more sense.

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It was John Cena putting an end to that, to the John Cena
persona, to the character, to the larger than life
personality. It was always never give up,
never give up. But now you close that chapter
by actually having him give up. And after all this time, he just
becomes John Cena the guy. That's what that he's always
been outside of John Cena, the superstar that he was.

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You know what I'm saying? It's kind of like it's kind of
like the closing the chapter, like closing the story, ending
the book. He he, he taps out.
He gave up that version of John Cena's gone along with his
career. So it kind of makes sense.
And it's kind of like it's a more endearing story that way.
I think, you know, my gut followed you to that point, HK.

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But then hearing that explanation, it kind of makes
sense. And then Cena, I don't know if
he necessarily was smiling because if you notice when
Gunther let go, his smile was kind of a frown.
Like his face really didn't change.
I think he was just frowning andlike it was all scrunched up and
whatnot. So I don't really think he was
smiling in a sense. But I think it plays well that

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after being in the hold for so long and after Gunther
continuously like retrapping himand like getting him back in the
hold, it was kind of like, you know what, this is no way out.
This is the way it's got to go, you know.
Any any issues with it being Gunther?
Not at all. Not at all for me, I think.
Look, so they didn't cut they Oh, go ahead, man.

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No. Brundo OK, I was just going to
say look at the rest of the roster.
And I mean, is there anybody else you would rather have in
this position at this point besides Gunther?
I think the only argument. Throughout the year, he's
already had the match with CM Punk.
He's already with Cody, with Randy Orton, with all these

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other guys. So after all those stories were
put to an end, you know nobody else.
It's not going to be the JU, so it's not going to be LA Night.
It, you know, Gunther makes the most sense.
I was. Going to say, I think the only
argument against that is that Gunther's already kind of made.
Yeah, but you see, when Hogan wrestled The Rock, The Rock was

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already made. There's a whole bunch of
scenario situations when Andre passed the torch to Hogan, Hogan
was already made. Like I don't, I don't
necessarily buy the whole like already made argument.
You know what I'm saying? Like this is more of a
solidification of Gunther's status.
You know what I'm saying? Like the goat, the sick, the
never seen 17, like the fucking,you know, the guy that's been

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here for 23 years, he puts the fucking it's more of a stamp of
approval than it is of a passingthe torch.
You know, it's that solidification of Gunther being
that guy, and Gunther took Goldberg out earlier in the year
too. You know, if you believe what
they're saying, Gunther is also in line to take out Brock Lesnar

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at SummerSlam because Brock Lesnar is on the rumor has it
that Brock Lesnar is going to retire this year in SummerSlam
seems to be his where he wants to do it because it's in
Minnesota and he has ties to Minnesota.
And it seems to be like we're going to make Gunther the guy,
like we're going to put him Roman reign.
He he's going to be Roman Reignsterritory by the end of next

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year, if he's not already. And I did like, I liked that
Gunther won the match and he didn't, he didn't do some like
hug shit or whatever, whatever. He's the fucking ring general.
He did what he had to do. He did what he said he was going
to do and he fucking powdered and that was it.
Yeah, no high fives, no hugs, noemotion.

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Fuck that. I just beat your fucking hero.
I'm gone. I'm really interested in what's
going to happen tonight when he comes out.
Really interested. Did you see the he had to get
have like security escort him tohis bus after Saturday nights,
the main event 'cause people were like chasing him in the
street and like telling them to go fuck himself and losing,
losing their minds, screaming athim.

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It's it is silly to think that people thought John Cena was
going to to win, especially if you've watched the last six
months. Like ever since he lost the
title of Cody, he lost to Brock,he's lost to Dom.
Like he's just putting people over on his way out.
Yeah, I was going to go to do old MB years of Hogan versus

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Rock was a dream match scene versus Gunther wasn't really a
dream match on that level, though.
They could have used it to buildsomeone like Braun or Oba.
Nah, no, because if you if you give one of those guys that win,
you don't know what the future'sholding for them.
Gunther right now is he's already a superstar.

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This puts him in the stratosphere.
I don't think you could, I don'tthink you can put a win like
this on somebody as green as ObaFemi or Braun Breaker.
I don't think it makes sense now, years down the road, maybe
Gunther's that guy that puts over the Braun Breaker on his
way out. You know, maybe he puts over the
Oba Femi on on his way out, something like that.

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But Braun Oba, like young guys like that, they'll have their
time. Their time is a couple years
away. They'll have their time for
that, for that stepping stone moment for sure.
Definitely not with Cena, though.
I don't think so. I mean Oba Femi couldn't even
beat Cody. I mean, right, I mean no, and I

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don't I don't like I don't thinkthat there's there's like I
think that Gunther is is a greatplay, but I I also think that a
guy like like Braun wouldn't be a bad play either.
I think that Oba's, it's Oba's still a little too fresh, I
think. Braun's a good would.
Have been a good play. But I, I'm perfectly happy with
with the Gunther play. I'm a big Gunther guy.

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Yeah, Gunther's amazing. You know, I was telling my kid,
you know, just a handful of years ago, he was just some
fucking pudgy monster who was destroying people and you all
across Europe, you know what I'msaying?
Like to see where he is now, theshape he's in, the look he has,
the attitude which he carries himself.
Like he's a, he's a fucking star, man.
He's the, he's the fucking next thing he really is.

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Yeah. No, it's, it's it's undeniable.
It's undeniable. He's a character that works now.
He probably could have worked inthe 70s and 80s and 90s.
Like he's just like, he's that guy.
He's that wrestler that, that, you know, he's not out there
doing all these fucking crazy spots and taking all these wild
bumps. He's he's a fucking wrestler.

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Can I, can I pick a couple of nits about the about the
production and the presentation on Saturday?
Of course. Nits if you must my friend.
Positive. I did like the setup.
I like that kind of entranceway with all the screens and like
when Cena was coming out at all the pictures of him and stuff.
Like I thought that entranceway was cool.
I do like that they let guys from NXT and and TNA even got a

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fucking rub on the show. I like that those guys were
involved. Negatives.
This did not feel at all like a Saturday Night's Main Event.
We didn't get the fucking TV intro.
We didn't get the fucking obsession playing every once in
a while when they were like, like going to commercials or
like, you know, going to other people and shit or showing

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people in the crowd. We got the Saturday Night's Main
event theme, you know? But other than that, like, this
just felt like it was like a special, but not like a like a
Saturday Night's Main event. And honestly, in hindsight, they
probably could have got away without even having that kind of
branding, you know what I'm saying?
Like they could have just calledit like the last time is now.

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I would have been completely happy with that.
Right. Yeah, I'm, I'm picking nits.
But you can tell every time theydo the satellite's main event,
they're getting further and further away from that nostalgia
field. You can tell every anytime They
do a pay-per-view, too. Raw is 2 1/2 hours, 2 hours, 45

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minutes. Smackdowns going back to three
hours. The pay per views are 4, five
matches, 3 hours. There's nothing sets any of them
apart, right? The the pay per views, they're
not pay-per-view. Wrestle Palooza was not a
pay-per-view. It was just a Raw Survivor
Series. Yeah, they put two rings
together and they threw a cage over the top of it, but it

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wasn't fucking spectacular, right?
They're not doing anything to make these pay per views feel
any different than Raws and Smackdowns.
They're all the same length of time.
They're all essentially formulated the exact same way.
It's it's all a gimmick to get people to pay for ESPN and pay
for Netflix. That's all it is.

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And Smackdowns going to be 3 hours now too.
Like, what do they think? I just heard that, yeah.
Wait, did he just? I missed something.
Did I say something? Oh I was saying raw smacked out

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of pay per views were all three hours long and then.
I didn't hear the Smackdown part.
Well, Smackdown technically isn't 3 hours long yet.
Well, I mean, half the time raw isn't really three hours anymore
either, yeah. That's true, yeah.
It's like 245 but like there's four matches they don't.

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Every show starts off the same with the in ring promo.
It's all very formulaic. Yeah, it really is.
I mean they've been starting offthe same since what like 99
maybe before that. Like the especially I remember
every McMahon Helmsley era show starting off with them coming
down and then you switch on to Evolution.

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It was always them coming down. 20 minute promo.
Would you, what'd you guys thinkof the Joe Hendry and R Truth
and Miss moment? It was fun.
Yeah, it was fun. It was, it was the miss stuff
felt like I was kind of like he's and I'm like, yeah, why

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wasn't the fucking miss involved?
Like I was in the same boat. My fucking wife is watching with
me and she's going why is he wearing a dress?
Because that is dressed. So was he wearing his fucking
dress with just his underwear on?
I mean, I I feel like it would have been more impactful if
maybe 5 minutes before the Miz wasn't talking about how John

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Cena made them and how everything was great at
WrestleMania thanks to John and blah blah blah.
And then he comes out fuck you. I don't have a fucking spot in
the John Cena you suck. It's like.
You know, well, you know why? Because like he's putting John
overs. Like, yeah, John did this for me
and blah, blah blah. But then he also feels slighted.
How come I'm not involved in this shit?

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I was important to John's career.
I beat the fucker at WrestleMania.
Damn it. Like, I get that.
Yeah. And then they played in, like,
he took some spot in the tournament.
And our truth had the ball. And it was Joe Henry's.
Yeah, and and and our truth did the fucking Joe Henry turn
around with him and he was hugging him and shit and putting
his head on him. It was.

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It was, it was a fucking cute moment.
It really was. I got a kick out of that shit.
Cute moment. It was, it was adorable.
I got to ask. I got to ask.
Any tears shed? No, I was bummed.
I, I really wasn't, you know, crying, sad, you know.
Yeah. Why did you cry?

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Double T was blubbering the videos.
Get me the video before the match and the one after.
I wasn't like sobbing, no, but you can.
I had, I had tears bro. When they made him stand in the
ring and watch that video. I'm like what the fuck are they
doing dude? I think now I don't know, but I

(29:58):
think they got him when they showed the Vince thing.
Yeah. Even if it was old, I don't
think he thought that would be up there because you could see
him like he was like he went to his eyes like he was fighting
something there throughout throughout that entire video
baggage. If you if you look at him and
then you like he is doing that whole like like swallow deep not
going to cry Yep slowly not going to cry.

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I'm good everything's fine. Yeah the entire time.
But John has also said in every interview regardless of what
happens. Vince McMahon is like the reason
I'm here. You know, always paid nothing
but respect to Vince McMahon, always wouldn't shit on a coffee
table for him, but you know, do.So was the fuck you Hunter

(30:45):
Chance? Were they warranted?
As was it so Were you surprised to see him and Stephanie?
Of course the first one's out. Nope, not one bit.
I'm surprised he wasn't out there the second the bell rang.
I mean, Nick Cotton was in the crowd high fiving with everybody
too, like they were there. His that's in the crowd.
I'm surprised he didn't like give a big blow me speech

(31:08):
spotlight. Who the fuck?
I'm just. Going to lead him out of the God
damn locker room now an events would have fucking came out to
the ring. People would have lost their
shit anyway. People are just looking for a
reason to lose their shit. I would have really loved that
if Stephanie bent over one more time for fucking John Cena to
give her a smack on that ass. Whoa.

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Horny got to go Magic going homethat night.
Mommy. Mommy, why'd you let John Cena
smack you on the hiney? It's a long story, sweetheart.
You'll understand someday, huh? That's my Stephanie.
Smacks your hiney, yeah. Come on, Brondo.
Jesus, I almost played into thattoo.
And then I realized who you weretalking about.

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Come on, don't. I don't think her kids are like
that age. The mommy.
Mommy. Yeah, they're older now, ain't
they older, are they? Buck older or they.
That's pretty. Cool youngest might be OH.
That's cool. Did you guys know that?

(32:15):
No, we're talking about. Yeah.
What did you guys know that? My brother just texted me over.
If you Googled John Cena's name.Oh, yeah.
It does the thing right at the bottom of the thing.
There's like a little green handand you hit it and then it and
the whole screen disappears. I thought that was pretty cool.
Oh, yeah, look at that. You can't see me.

(32:38):
Oh yeah, look at that. Oh, that's fucking on John Cena.
Fucking awesome. So they did the post show, and
his wife's name is Shay Sharazzagaza.

(32:59):
What? The Sun type.
Yes. You're welcome.
The post. They did a post show.
Of course. They did a post show.
And Triple H was involved in Time Out.
Time Out. Hold up, Matt.
Google John. I need all four, all three, all
four of us to Google John Cena. I did.
Yeah. All right.
Take a look under spouses. I'm going to bring it back up.

(33:20):
Elizabeth's last name. Huber do Huber.
Do. God that tickle me.

(33:42):
Jesus Christ, holy shit. So.
We get a post show and Triple H was part of the panel and the
crowd there, they were not very favourable to Triple H.
Fuck. Damn you fucked up.

(34:05):
Yeah, AW chance. Yeah, AW chance.
Oh surprise, it weren't DCW chance too.
That would have been amazing. Couple of double s.
Or no fucking MDK all day ever die fucking trolls over there.
Fucking Juggalo Juggalos. Is it?

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Is the fan base Who's at that show?
Are they overreacting? Yep.
Yeah, sorry, I don't. I got nothing else to add.
Oh, I was waiting. You said Yup, Brenda said Yup.
I was waiting for HK to say Yup,Yeah.
Every fucking person over is overreacting constantly.
Everybody needs to calm the fuckdown, but yeah, these fans 100%.

(34:55):
OK, all right, I'm. I'm bringing it up.
Bringing it up. It was part of the part of the
retirement tour, 10 minutes people were taken.
If you want to be a part of thisconversation, you want to talk
to John Cena, you want to share your memories, moments, favorite
John Cena stuff, hit us up on Twitter or Instagram just
sliding those DMS. I'll send you a link, pop on the

(35:17):
screen for a minute or two and chat with us.
We'll be hopefully getting a couple couple people dropping by
in about 10 minutes overall. Wrestling marks overreacting.
Forks found in kitchen make you snowy.
Everest. I, I think we've had this

(35:41):
conversation throughout the whole retirement tour at the end
of this was poorly, poorly executed, the whole thing.
No. What was the John Cena
retirement? Tour.
I don't want to say the whole thing.
There were a few good sprinkles here and there, like the Kodi
stuff was good, the CM Punk stuff wasn't all bad, especially

(36:04):
the promos leading up to it, so I wouldn't give it a hard F but.
I would. Oh yeah.
No, I'm, I'm, I'm thinking this is definitely like, like maybe B
-, B territory for me. BS look, the way it started,
that had tons of potential untilthe fucking Rock decided he

(36:25):
didn't want to be part of it anymore.
And Travis Scott was fucking making Burger somewhere.
So that kind of threw everythingoff the rails.
And I think eventually they werelike, well, Cena just wants to
go out as a face anyway. And then you could tell after
the switch was made, Cena just started having fucking fun with
the whole thing. And to me, I was having fun with
the whole thing because Cena was, I really was beating Dom,

(36:48):
losing the Dom with all the interference and shit, all the
shit with with R truth wanting to become, you know, making like
he was John Cena, all that shit,man.
Yeah, Remember he left and everybody wanted him back and
then he came back and then all those assholes paid like 11 K
for tickets so they could all fucking eat a shit, eat a Dick,
eat balls and eat everything else that Mama puts on their

(37:11):
plate. Fuck, I don't care.
I'm not putting balls on the plate, huh?
Fuck yes she is. Once they're done under her
chin, then she puts them on. The you know what?
There was 1 fucking asshole in the crowd.
I don't know if you guys caught that cut.
That had a fucking sign and it pissed me off.
I had nothing to do with John Cena and the sign said Bring

(37:32):
back the Wonder Kid, Alex Wright.
It's a great. Sign That's a great.
Yeah, but he's not the Wonder Kid.
He's Das Wonder Kid. You're going to.
Bring him back. Write the sign right.
But then he'd be Das Wonderkin. Yeah, it's Das Wonderkin.
Wonderkin. Then if they're.
Translating to English, the Wonder Kid makes perfect fucking

(37:53):
sense. Hey, somebody say Wonder Kid.
Hey, Smackdown's going to be 3 hours so.
Sit on your nuts. I already did.
I don't know, man. I it was, I think they painted
themselves into a corner being like, this is going to be his
wife. Fucking awesome.

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And then we went from like, Oh my God, a heel turn to him and
fucking Travis Scott to then himjust like cutting a promo on on
was it Smackdown where he was like, I don't want to be a heel
anymore, my bad. Sorry for making that fat kid
and fucking Belgium cry. Well, how else do you get out of
it at that point? I don't know, but that's the.

(38:35):
Problem you're under the gun at this point.
He's got so many more appearances before the end of
the year and you have to fucking180 pivot.
Like what else you going to do? But that's the problem.
I. Fucked up.
Guess who's back? And you know what?
They all took him back. Hey, it was much quicker for
Hogan to pivot when they wanted him to become a face.
Right end of the molding when out the Hogan was running the

(38:59):
Rock over in a fucking semi while he was in the back of the
Babel. And we're still cheering.
At that WrestleMania 18 match, that was organic.
The where they turned was organic.
And you don't think that people cheer for John Cena at that
point where he said fuck this, I'm going to be a good guy
Again, that was organic. No, it wasn't.
Come on. They didn't know.
Here's the the biggest problem for me is they didn't know what

(39:22):
the fuck they were going to do with him.
They were like, you know what? Let's turn him heel and see what
happens. Oh, the Rock did the thing.
All right, bring in Travis Scott.
OK, what do we do next? All right, let's give him this
can. Here.
Send him out with this can and have him crush it.
Tell him he hates the fans. All right?
What's next? I don't know.

(39:43):
You guys got any ideas? Try some things out, come back
in a couple hours. Like they didn't know what the
fuck they were doing. The Rock fucked it all up.
It's easy to blame the Rock, butit just.
Oh yeah, no, because it's his fault.
That's why it's easy to blame the Rock.
You don't remember the fucking press conferences last year when

(40:04):
Triple H was like, I don't know who the fuck he thinks he is,
but I'm in charge? He should never have a live
microphone in front of his face either.
Triple. H.
Stuttering and stammering through the fucking questions.
I'd like to see you answer fucking questions at a press
conference. I wouldn't do a fucking press
conference. It's fake.
It's all fucking fake. The answer should be like,

(40:26):
written down whoever, it's fucking dumb Sam Roberts or
whatever jerk off is on this dumb Sam Roberts.
Wow. I don't watch the fucking Post
show because we might have a winner.
Because I want Sam Roberts to wake up tomorrow morning crying
that this episode was named DumbSam Roberts.

(40:47):
He doesn't even fucking know. I didn't hear him say stupid
Peter Rosenberg or God awful Booker T.
They're dumb fucking Big E. Nope, Tom.
Sam Roberts. That who?
I don't know who's on the push show.
Peter Rosenberg's a fraud, too. I know he's not a real wrestling
fan. To be fair, we fucking shit all

(41:08):
over Booker T on a weekly basis.Yeah, man.
Yeah. Cuz he fucking takes him as the
worst commentator of all time. He is the worst.
Cuz he is. Yeah.
No, I'm not arguing that fuck fact at all.
He fucking sucks. Oh well, I don't.
Know, I see. Worse than syphilis.
Worse than syphilis. That's that's pretty bad.

(41:28):
That's pretty bad, right? Yeah.
Hey, man. Sam Roberts.
Was in this very. Yeah, Sam's cool.
Yeah, that Dave McGregor cock sucker.
He's a he's a fucking WWE Shieldtoo.
His fucking shtick is old and boring.
Yeah, just like him. Too bad that Too bad Mark

(41:49):
Henry's premonition didn't happen after Saturday night's
main event, where Joe Henry comes out and lays down from.
Shut the fuck up. How does he not wear that salmon
jacket to to John Cena's last match he.
Probably he he ate it. He thought it was a salmon.
Oh man, Tropical's got a good question there.

(42:11):
Booker T Worst commentator than Mike TNA.
Yeah, yeah. Percent are in the West.
OK, you. Watch.
Don W was worse than Mike TNA. I think Don W was probably worse
than Mike TNA too. Yeah, but Don W didn't have a
wrestling background either. That's true.
Booker T does. Brundo, Yeah.
Booker T, Larry's Abisco, everybody else.

(42:34):
I think Larry's Abisco was at the bottom, yeah. 1Z and 2Z. 3Z
Zoom off Buck, Buck, Buck. Don't.
He's like Beetlejuice. Yeah.
Is that how it works? Yes.

(42:58):
Rock'n'roll. Showtime.
There's a Lydia joke in there somewhere, but.
What How do you guys feel about the rest of Saturday night's
main event? So Ruka and Bailey was great, I
really enjoyed that match. And so Ruka's going to be a
fucking *. I don't, I don't I don't like
her finish. I didn't like half the match.

(43:18):
They were not. Here's what here's what bothers
me about the modern wrestling, not just WWE across the board.
Everything is so like scripted and like rehearsed, like there's
a body slam spot that they fuck up and they, they don't like
just keep going. They have to reset and do the

(43:39):
spot again. Just don't do it.
You fucked it up. Like not a lot.
I don't, I think a lot of the people in these companies don't
know how to do things. They don't know how to ad Lib in
the ring, right? Because everything is and you
can see it in matches. There's there's, there's
stalling and there's moments where people are waiting for

(43:59):
their opponents to do things. We always make fun of it here,
the dive to the outside where everybody waits.
All right. Like the Saul Ruka Bailey match
was fine, but I felt like there was a lot of that in the match.
And I hate her finishing move because it seems counter
productive. It seems like it hurts her just
as much as it hurts it is. And if you're flipping away from

(44:20):
your opponent instead of into your opponent, it just, it
fucking, it takes all physics out of it.
It really does. There's a lot of moves that do
that shit. I'll tell you what I did like
though. That tag match, AJ slipped off
the top, who was who was in the ring with him, Javon and he.
Fucked No Leon T and Evans. Yeah, so he jumped right on and

(44:42):
covered him. Didn't miss a beat, didn't go.
What should I do? Saw the fuck up, took advantage
of it, and then they worked intothe finish with the Styles Clash
without having to go back to thePhenomenal Forearm.
That's the way to do it. That was awesome.
And the flips and the dives there, there wasn't a whole lot
of setting things up, waiting, whatever, whatever.

(45:02):
Everybody knew what. Everybody fucking knew what the
other guy was going to do beforethey were doing it and they
happen to fucking get there justat the right moment and that was
beautiful. I like that.
I like that match a lot. That tag, that tag non title
match was awesome. I really enjoyed Oba Femi and
Cody Rhodes because Oba looked like 1,000,000 bucks.

(45:26):
I fucking. Hated.
I knew Oba wasn't going to beat Cody, but just I don't know,
man. It was just it was a bad spot
for having Drew McIntyre interfere.
If they were going to have him interfere, I would rather if it
would with Cody getting on the offense.
But for both of the guys just tobe down on a double down and
then fucking and then Drew comesin, it felt like it took the

(45:49):
whole air out of the really, even when Cody and him were
trying to pose like people are like, oh, like Oba looked
fucking awesome. I just don't like the fucking
the the things on his arms. I think that looks kind of
goofy. I don't know, 30 seconds into
that match when Cody try drops down for that punch he throws

(46:10):
and Oba grabs the fucking jumpedout of my seat.
I love that so much. He's got to be such a fucking *.
Yeah, no, I I thought that was overall I thought it was a lot
of fun. HK thoughts?
Yeah, I, I. I think the event all together
wasn't bad. I think I think it kind of hit
it right in the head. And we've had this conversation

(46:32):
before when it comes like Saul Ruka and, and, and Bailey, it's
just the, the, the stuttering and not knowing what to do.
And that's a lot of like you seea lot of the, with the people
coming through NXT that didn't cut their teeth on the Indies,
that didn't like, weren't forcedto work their way through a fail
in front of a live audience. So, and, and with so I think, I

(46:53):
really think she's a stud. But there was multiple times in
the in while watching that matchwhere I went knocked that shit
off. Yeah, with the handstand shit
and all the like, like fucking stop it, all right?
Just fuck. It's a fuck enough.
Like, we get it, you're talented.
You're fucking athletic. Now, now use it maybe once,
maybe once, but not every singlematch.

(47:16):
Like some things you have to, you have to just find the right
spot for. Don't, don't force it.
Don't force the athleticism. And she does that.
I think she was trying to show as much as lettucism or like
making, I'm not saying it's right, but making like a viral
moment or something like that onthe biggest stage she's ever
been and like get a lot more eyes on her and something like

(47:38):
that. I could see her saving it for
instead of doing something like that on, you know, NXTTV, when
Booker T's grunting, you do something when millions of
people are watching. But she's doing that on an XTTV
run. O'fly, that's what.
She is. But I think to Brando's point, I
think there's a lot of people who don't watch NXT.

(48:00):
Yeah. Right, So they're this is their
first exposure and I would not be surprised if there's some
Triple H or Bruce or Shawn Michaels is go do go 100 miles
an hour out there and make your viral moment because that's kind
of how the fan base consumes things now.
But I'm with the HK like there'sa time and a place, but for her
to bust out like the handstand into the DDT and like all these

(48:23):
other like it's too much. It's like when she does it the
first time, like, fuck, that is cool.
And then the next three moves she does like the same kind of
things and you're like, all right, well, the the shines off
this like I don't. Yeah, that's.
What she does now, like I get it, that fucking DDT would be
awesome. Would be awesome if there was
actually a set to it or if she you know what I mean?

(48:45):
Like she worked into it, not just like Bailey waits for her
and then she throw us that that that kind of handstand DDT.
Like it it. It bothers me and I I'm a big
Sal Ruka fan but that type of shit drives me nuts.
Cody and Oba no no issues whatsoever with it.
I would have liked to seen a clean finish even if it was Cody

(49:06):
going over but really enjoyed the match.
AJ Styles Dragon league against Javon and and Leon was the only
match that never really brought me all the way in.
It never fully gripped me for for whatever reason I don't.
I'm not really sure it was and then.
It was quick though too. It was only like 8 and a half, 9
minutes. I mean, we needed more time for

(49:26):
Stephanie, so. Yeah, there you go.
And then the main event, the onething I did want to say about
the main event that we didn't get to was on commandary after
after Gunther won, Cole did makethe comment that he goes tonight
professional wrestling beat sports entertainment, which I
thought was an interesting. I was an interesting call on

(49:47):
commentary to to even say that that tonight professional
wrestling beat sports entertainment.
We just it it it struck me as off because you don't hear that
type of shit on commentary. Just want to see what you guys
thought about that. You know how I feel about those
two on commentary. I fucking hate the shit out of
it. They're so inside baseball.
I was just I was, I didn't even catch it.
I don't even fucking catch it. OK, they're I just I get so

(50:09):
annoyed when they have to go inside baseball for everything,
call the match like it's a fucking legitimate contest and
knock off with all the dumb shitthat you say.
Sorry, continue. You know what bother me about
Saul, Ruka and Bailey as well. No, they both have.
They both had their seconds there and they both have stories

(50:29):
going on with them and they bothalluded to the the commentary
alluded to these stories. Nothing happened.
They were just fucking there. And you know what else?
Lyra's fucking outfit can eat a shit.
What the fuck are you doing? What the fuck?
Are you doing? We're in a goddamn oversized
sweater with the little fucking thumbs hanging out.
Bullshit. Get the hell out of here.

(50:50):
All right? Take it off, bitch.
I'd like to see you in one of those.
I know you would by nuts hangingout.
You know what, Bailey? Needs to do small sweater.
No, I just got long nuts for to fly, you know that.
I know, that's why I said prettysmall sweater long nuts.
They're making, they're making awhole this and that now about
Bailey having like the like the big Heine and everything.

(51:13):
I would not be against her usingthe fucking rikishi stink face
as a fucking move. Commentary.
No, not on commentary, but like Naya Jack started that shit.
You don't remember? I'm proud of my cheeks, but Naya
Jacks clearly has a bigger heiney than Bailey.
Yeah, but I think if Bailey started doing the fucking, the
stink face, I I think that's good.

(51:34):
That would get over like Naya. Naya Jacks has a path to it.
I don't think Bailey's got that same path.
Oh, no, Bailey's got dude. Have you seen Bailey's path?
I'm talking about like the like the heritage, right?
What the? Fuck no, I'm talking about her
Heiney, bro, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Well, yeah, but but Naya's part of that whole family where the
stink face comes from. No, Bailey's got the Bailey's

(51:54):
got the shit locker. She needs to open it up.
What? I don't think you got to open up
the shit locker. Well, how else do you get to the
shit? It's locked.
Away. Good point.
Great question is, is there a key or is it combination she got
to let you in? Well.
She got to open the door. Let me in.

(52:15):
Oh my God, imagine approaching Bailey's Hiney with the fucking
Lantern. And you numb.
Right fly. Run.

(52:39):
I thought Tony's gonna be like, you know, they're doing a thing
where she's like bipolar, She has like multiple personalities.
I think she brings up some random thing that probably
happened like 3 years ago 'cause, you know, Tony is not
tapped into what's going on in wrestling.
Oh stop. I know everything, do you?
I know Tombstone. Jesus had an amazing match last
night. You and me have a.
Different term for amazing. I mean, he was involved in it.

(53:02):
Yeah. He fucking sucks.
OK, Come on, man. He fucking sucks.
Tony, Stop. He's a nice guy.
He's cool. He's fucking got a cool look.
He rides a motorcycle. He can play rock'n'roll music.
He sucks as a wrestler. His son is amazing.
Just heard of him. His son rules.
Son can eat a bag of Dicks. Oh, wait a second, we got.

(53:24):
Oh, we've got a call in. We've got a call in here.
Let me make the the screen work for five.
Yeah, we we got this. We got this.
All right. Brondo's Arc family.
Yeah, we could do this. And then we could just bring
them in. Just bring them in.
Bring me where? There they are.
All right. Hi, Brendo's Marc family.

(53:47):
Hello. What's going on?
How do you guys feel? About how do you guys feel about
belly shit locker? What?
Wait wait wait. I saw Brundo drinking that
beverage earlier. What is that?
You mean you don't know about it?
I promise you. I thought you were up to date
with all the the cool kids stuff.
Is that is that Bobby Hill? Oh hell.
What? Is.
That I. Don't know that's.

(54:09):
Only like Bobby Hill, but that'skind of like Bobby Hill.
No, the future world's greatest wrestler.
Wait, that's Gunther? What?
What is? That still Bobby Hill, I think.
That's the Rizzler. No way.
Oh, what the fuck? Oh, Arizona, I get it.
We're going to 6767 back here ifyou need me, and we're going

(54:31):
back down to a three man show. Brendo, you're fired.
Great start. What's wrong with the Rizzo
Matiz? I like the Rizzler.
I thought it was Bobby Hill. I swear to God I thought there
was like a a Hank Hill beverage now.
It's called Alamo Beer tone. So John Cena, right?

(54:55):
I can't hear them. Yeah.
What do you mean you can't hear us?
She's got no ears. I can hear you guys a little
bit. We had to join on on the phone.
My computer's not working. I.
Turn the volume on your phone. So, Bruno, who's who's who's on
the left half of the picture andwho's on the right half?

(55:18):
Well, the one with the glasses is my brother and the other one
with the glasses is my sister-in-law.
Is he older Brundo or younger Brundo?
Younger. Well, I'm older.
Brundo. What?
The. Fuck is your is is the top of
your Oh, I thought I thought your top the top of your tree

(55:40):
was smoking. It's the lights on the ceiling.
Oh shit, that's pretty smoking. Fire your brother, lose a bat
and he has to wear a hook hat now.
What's going on there? That's a great hat.
Dude, I haven't even. Seen it?
That's a fake. First call is gangbusters.

(56:04):
So John Cena, yay, nay. Come on.
Brendo's family What are you doing I.
Can hear you guys have a little bit of a delay.
So I know you asked me about John Cena.
I mean, regardless of how I feelabout the how the match was, it

(56:27):
was great. He's the reason a lot of people
watch wrestling. He's the reason that I watched
wrestling from whenever he got in until now.
So regardless how you feel abouthis in ring ability or what not,
you can't you can't take away what he meant to Doug WE
wrestling as a whole and now he,you know, transcends to the

(56:50):
zeitgeist. Holy.
Shit, holy shit. Hey Bug Zumoff joining us.
Super insightful. They do not that.
Is so fucked up. Goddamn bug Zumoff.

(57:13):
I think you murdered Matt, by the way.
Wait, they left. Oh well, see you later.
Oh my God. They got to fix their settings
so they can hear us. Bro, fucking bug.
Zoom off for the win. No bug.
Zoom off not for the win. Thanks Brendos Mark family for
trying to call in. What?

(57:35):
This is a whole new. When we were on Skype or Zoom,
there was a phone call. Zoom home.
No, this super insightful gut kids, will you stop?
It's not me. Well, if you're in the chat or
you're watching and you want to join us, just DM us on Twitter

(57:56):
and I will send you a link and we'll try to get you on the show
and and we'll talk to you. Look at that.
I've done biscuits. This shit.
Locker's a great finisher. Name submission by Stink.
Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to cut off Al.

(58:17):
It took him a minute to find hisway, Al, but he made it.
Joe. Joe Hendry, OR.
Buck. Really come on now here I have
you know we got the things here.I don't biscuits his kept He
doesn't have some weird name on YouTube.
Did you notice that he's just same with that means they're

(58:37):
probably like, oh geez, you know, they probably had their
shit for a long time. All right.
Yeah, apron bumps the same way. But like, even like H KS wife is
like got some R2D2 shit behind her name.
Yeah, Buck Zumhoff does too. I think that's his prison number
XO. 6. UN Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. XOFUN.

(59:01):
All right. So John Cena's career, do we?
I don't know. I really don't know.
Why don't you know? It's over, Johnny.
It's a wrap. Is he?
Is he the greatest of all time? No.
No. Nope.

(59:24):
We got another caller. Bring them in.
Bring them in. Bring them in.
Oh, shit. All right, we're going to have
to keep this thing off then makethings easy, you know what I
mean? You know, people got the people
to reach out. They go on to link.
No, no, I'm, I'm saying like we got the Gimme.
I figured it out What's up man? Oh you know doing good.

(59:52):
Finally got the setup all good. Is everything behind me so a
little lucha just. Calling.
Yeah. Started collecting lucha stuff
this year so got a couple masks.Some figures up here.
From old HK's friends J&J. Atta boy.
Atta boy yeah Yep, got in on theBlack Friday sale so.

(01:00:17):
Smart man fuck. Yeah.
Are you in on the John Cian son?John Cena last time was now
matched. I enjoyed it.
And I understand that they're pushing Gunther of like, OK,
he's going to be like the careerkiller.
Now there's a part of me that like, I don't understand, like

(01:00:41):
how in the moment you don't hearhow the crowds reacting and like
call an audible of like, no, you're not going to tap out
here. Or like maybe just let Cena win
in that moment of just like, because either way, it's like
Gunther doesn't lose anything bylosing so.
But. I don't know, I just, it's crazy

(01:01:03):
to me that they did the whole Hulk up out of the pin or out of
the sleeper hold just for him togo right back into it and just
smile at the camera while he's tapping out.
You did see a lot of them talking to each other during the
sleeper hold spots, so I wonder if that was like, I'm sure at
the end of the day, it's John Cena's last call.

(01:01:26):
Yeah. Maybe gun throws like, Hey, do
you think we should do this? Because but then like, I don't
know, man, some of the best heroes like when they get killed
off in movies, like it sticks with us.
It's like a. It makes it better.
I guess I don't know, it's just it's sucks that Cena's last

(01:01:48):
match is like soon as it's over,the crowd's chanting like, oh,
bullshit and all this stuff and Cena's just sitting there.
He's like, I know, I'm sorry, I I tapped out or whatever, but
it's like it's not, we're not yelling at him, we're just
yelling at how the whole runs been this whole year.
Yeah, they found somebody before.
They found somebody else quicklyto yell at.

(01:02:12):
But like with with that NBA, like if they're mad about like
this is how it's ending, like they're they're mad about the
run up to it, then the finish wouldn't have mattered because
they were going to be pissed either way.
If that you mean like if that's the way you're positioning the
like why they're upset and why they're they're they're booing
and all that kind of shit. So and then you said that
Gunther doesn't gain anything from?

(01:02:34):
He doesn't lose or like either way, like Gunther's still a made
man like no matter if he won or lost.
And the way I look at it, like even Gunther winning, when you
look at the landscape of things,it's like he's not going to be
in the world title picture because they already have Punk
and Brown Breaker like that set up.

(01:02:55):
Unless Gunther's going to fight Cody, he'd have to go to the
other brand. But even then, I feel like
that's not, I'd hope Gunther waslike, I just don't understand
the idea of like, OK, we're going to make this guy who's
already been a multi time champion, champion for like most
of his career there. And then it feels like he might

(01:03:18):
be like fifth down from the cardat WrestleMania if they don't
put him in one of those spots. And nothing.
Nothing. Oh, could he be a dark horse to
win the World Royal Rumble perhaps?
Oh, I'd hope so. Yeah, he.
But I don't I I just feel like what we're seeing with Braun

(01:03:41):
Breaker and Punk and that if Braun doesn't win the title on
that January, like was it January 5th show?
I feel like this Braun Breakers rumble to win.
Nothing, nothing for the the time under tradition of going
out the way you. Came in MB.
I'm fine with that. Like, OK, I understand like this

(01:04:04):
is the moment of this, Cena's leaving.
Do it. But it's like you've built the
entire show around Cena and thenyou're surprised that oh,
everyone's pissed. Like like at least when ATW did
Sting's retirement, even though he did win, if he would have
lost, they would have been fine.Because it's like, oh, you just

(01:04:24):
had like a four hour show of like all this awesome stuff and
I'll Sting lost whatever this is.
Literally you built it around Cena.
And then it's like, Oh yeah, he gave up.
He tapped the thing. He never does.
Well, he hasn't done it in 20 years.
That's a hell of a protected finish.

(01:04:49):
Even the Dudleys can't fucking say that.
They put it over on. Commentary, like, I get it, but
him going out on his shield all like, him being the winner, like
doesn't do anything. It just sends the fans home
happy, Yeah. Is there something wrong with
that? Like sometimes you can send the
fans home happy? I guess you would.
Have raised the point at me. He spent the last 20 something

(01:05:16):
years sending the fans home happy.
For most of that, they weren't sending home happy because he
was getting booed. They loved him, they loved every
second of it. This.
Is the one. Time they're not cheating, let's
go Cena. Cena sucks.
They can have. Their moment.

(01:05:38):
It's it's the one time they're chanting that because this whole
thing has been about him retiring.
If this was just that, if he lost this match and then it came
out today that that was it, thatwas his last match, they would
have probably chanted, let's go Cena.
Cena sucks all last night. They weren't right.
Like people? A couple.
Years they were. They were finally behind him

(01:05:59):
though, even when he was coming back for like the Austin Theory
stuff and losing for like years straight.
Like what was that? He was like a few years just not
winning any singles matches on TV before this run.
Yeah. People are finally, finally
starting to appreciate him. That's usually how it goes,

(01:06:19):
Matt. Don't you know the Cinderella
song? You don't know what you got
until it's gone. I guess so, but it's just, I
don't understand that. It just feels weird to me that
it's just like this. His whole mantra is never give
up. And then it's just like, Oh
yeah, by the way, you can give up now.
Like this is just what scene hastaught us now.

(01:06:41):
Because he's OK with it. He's smiling, he's happy.
Maybe he was happy that was finally over, you know what I'm
saying? Yeah, maybe he couldn't contain
himself. He was in a sleeper for 8
minutes. Maybe he just wanted to breathe.
Maybe he was dreaming like he was having like, like prancing
through lollipop fields and eating gum drops and going down

(01:07:05):
like the fucking like the the kool-aid River, you know what
I'm saying? Maybe he was in a good spot.
He's like, yeah, I'm done. I could live with this Lollipop
Hilton. Kool-aid River.
Yeah, I don't know. Whatever.
Can't just think Candyland. I don't know what the what's the
river made out of in Candyland? It's not like.
Fun look. Here's here's how I look at it,
right. You ever just have one of those

(01:07:25):
days where everything goes wrongand there's just a point where
all you can do is laugh? Is this is this this one?
What is this the Limp Bizkit song?
Are you going to say everything's fucked, everybody's
song? Golly, no, no, I wasn't going
to. But like you've you've never
been in that situation where like you just can't catch a

(01:07:45):
breaker of the day. You just everything is fucking
wrong. And at some point you just
fucking start laughing. Like John Cena couldn't get out
of the fucking sleeper. So what's he going to do?
Fuck it. I just got to tap out.
He didn't give up on Cena the character.
Maybe John Cena the character knew he was on his deathbed.
Maybe he knew that this was the end and he made peace with

(01:08:06):
himself and he went with a smile.
Is there something wrong with that?
You don't really know why, you just got to justify ripping.
Someone's head off says the the whole point.
Oh my God, the whole point of scene coming up.
He's accepted. He finally can't go anymore.
It was poetically beautiful. Thank you, Mr. Biscuits.

(01:08:26):
Yeah, yeah. Mr. Biscuit, Mr. Biscuits?
Mr. Biscuits, What do you think you are?
I was going to taste the biscuit, but I got you on the
Mr. Big Stove. Dunk the biscuits.
Dunk the biscuits in the river, Matt.

(01:08:51):
You remember when Bailey had theshit locker angle?
I don't. Tony does.
Apparently it was the interviewer.
Naya made fun of her for put on some pounds and she said, well
I'm proud of this weight and I'mproud of my cheeks.
They didn't do anything with it.It was no follow up.
I remember that now, yeah. Proud of my cheeks, I remember

(01:09:12):
that. Well, there was also, I don't
remember if it was really a thing on TV or just online, but
I remember Naya kept calling Bailey BBL Bailey.
So that was like the. Whole thing.
I don't know if that was one of the things that was really like
focused on TV as like a whole angle or anything.
No, but it should have been. It was cute.

(01:09:34):
It was adorable, it was ironic, it was sexy.
It had everything going for it. The shit locker versus the whole
that that feud should have gotten years.
Oh my God, the irresistible force against the immovable
object. It's WrestleMania 3 all over
again. Which one's which?
Does it matter? Does it matter as long as I get
a double down? If you go on FanDuel it's it's

(01:09:56):
fucking it's plus 100 either way.
Come on, I don't. Know it's a push, push I.
Gotta get a push. Double D, why do you hate Heine
talk so much? It's better than bro stuff.
Come on, now what? Don't be.

(01:10:17):
Talking. About that.
Oh, here we go, Ma, that I told you to be quiet, Jesus.
I got a good shape. I'm in good shape.
I know you are, Ma. Oh boy.
Matt, do you have a favorite John Cena match?

(01:10:41):
Well I think my favorite at least from like the earlier run
would probably be when he foughtUmaga and he like bled like
crazy at that Royal Rumble and then he shoot choked out Umaga
when he did the STF and he was like so like adrenaline filled

(01:11:02):
because of all the blood loss that he choked him out in the
ring and like the ref had to wake him up after the match.
That was what the ring broke, right?
Yeah, yeah. But those are always like my
favorite scene of matches of where it's just like Cena, for
some reason, I feel like he got so big, but no one ever realized

(01:11:23):
like he was meant to be a hardcore wrestler.
Because there's so many matches like that where it's just like
Cena's insane. Like when he fought Brock, when
Brock came back and he did like the run up the steps and just
dove at him and flew out of the ring.
It's just like he's a crazy person.
Well, we're going to talk about it later when we do homework.

(01:11:45):
That Judgement Day 2005 match against JBL, the I quit match.
Yeah, it's it checks all those boxes there, MB.
Yeah, that one always, just always creeped me out whenever
they did the. I know you'll talk about it
later, but whenever he's like choking Cena and he goes to like

(01:12:06):
say no. When he's telling them like the
I quit stuff, he's like no. But his voice is like cracking
because you can hear like the blood and stuff like going down
his throat. It's insane.
Yeah. We're going to cover it all
later. Well, Matt, thanks for joining
us. This was cool.
Yeah, now that I finally got it set up and everything, I'm happy

(01:12:26):
to join whenever, you know? Just go in your bathroom like
Brundo does, who gives a shit? We don't, we don't care what you
got in your backroom, in your inyour bathroom, Jesus and and
behind you, brother, we're good.I'm not letting you guys join me
in the bathroom. I'm not like.

(01:12:47):
Hey, you didn't say anything. About us being behind you.
Oh shit Julio. Julio says nothing wrong with
bro stuff MB. Bro, bro, stuff comes up and
Julio comes in. Oh yeah.
Nothing wrong with that. Nope, we got 2.
Beetlejuice. To this.
Two Beetlejaw. What's the plural?
Beetlejuice. Beetlejaw.

(01:13:07):
Beetlejuices. Beetlejuices.
I don't. That doesn't sound right though,
right? Beetle geese.
Just I have to beetle. Geese.
Open the new tab because I did have to look up what a BBL was.
I didn't. I didn't know what that was
plural. So you're learning things.

(01:13:31):
I guess. Shining Wizards where you learn
something new every week. According to AI it is
Beetlejuices. OK, but you know what a BBL is
now? Yes, it's a Brazilian butt lift.
Apparently this happened in February before the Royal
Rumble, so it did happen this year.

(01:13:53):
I owe you an apology, Tony. I know a thing or two about a
thing or two out of my cheeks isa famous line from WWE wrestler
Bailey used in a promo responding to NIA Jack comments
about her physique before 2025 Rumble.

(01:14:15):
Now we got. Up on my Instagram shorts a lot
back then. That's not the only shorts that
came up. Brundo.
Oh shit, I googled Bailey Heiney.
That's actually a person in New Jersey.
You have contact information? I'll try and book him.

(01:14:35):
That's fucking hilarious. Whoops.
I just made somebody famous. Jeez Louise.
All right, Matt, we're going to take a break and be true Prince
of Pro. Thank you for stopping by.
Thank you, brother. He's an OG, like an OG wizard.
So we always love talking to youand it's nice to to see your

(01:14:56):
beautiful face. Oh, thank you.
I am very beautiful. I'll tell.
You. He's like Tom Mysterio's
doppelbanger. He's got the fucking wool hat
on. He's got the mustache.
Wearing a dog Mysterio shirt on right now.
The king of the Luchado shirt. I wish you are.
That's awesome. Yeah, well, I'm sure we'll see

(01:15:16):
you next week in the chat. But since we're live, enjoy your
holidays man. Oh, you guys too?
I'll be hopping back in the chatnow all.
Right, we'll see you there and be.
Thanks for stopping by, brother.All right, I got to take a
lizard. Hey can I hit something real
quick before we go? Before we forget.
Again, what your family members Jesus.

(01:15:37):
Fucking. Christ no.
Just want to send congratulations out to Mr.
William Mercier for getting married.
Congratulations to you and your lovely wife.
Yeah, we forgot to mention that last week, and then we talked
about it afterwards. Ring is going to be on William

(01:15:57):
Mercier's hand. You know what I mean?
Draw those oysters. He'll be honest.
I've never had a Nosebleed whileI was taking a shit.
Dude. I think you cut off HK's fucking
zinger. Oh, I didn't hear.
I'm sorry. It's fine.
It's OK. It's OK.
Did you are you doing it live? Minnesota.

(01:16:17):
It's OK. It's all right.
It's OK. I actually have audio from
William Mercier's wedding night.Nice.
Yeah, what's the funny? Will you pee?
Pee on me? No.
You should have sent me one to Punani.
Do I have me one? Of course you do.
By the way, real quick before wetake the break, when I played

(01:16:41):
over the top last week when HK mentioned it.
Fucking fucking copyright strikeright in the mail.
What? The.
Fuck was that? I don't know, HK, what are we
doing? What are we doing?
I, I, I got to go back from Mexico.
We'll be right back. It was such a fucking mess.
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(01:20:42):
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dropping on Christmas. It is the post show where we

(01:21:02):
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That particular episode will be a lot of fun to listen to
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(01:21:24):
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SJ is out and about. She'll be at Winnipeg Pro
Wrestling's Snow No more. Snow Mercy, snow mercy.
What's this like? Snow in the bird.

(01:21:46):
Cold out, cold out, cold out. Snow Mercy.
That's taking place January 22nd.
SJ will be there. She'll be also at the WPW show
February. Oh, love is in the bird.
Love is in the bird. Every time I look around on WPW.

(01:22:09):
What's the fuck WPW? Muscle.com.
That's not it. Wait, what's WPW monster?
I don't know. Definitely go there.
You should click every single link.
I'm not going every of those things.
Oh WPW Max the best in female bodybuilding.
What is this bro? Bro it will also be she will be

(01:22:35):
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She will be there giving away Wizards merch and she'll be at
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Oh, WPW Max, bro, holy shit. No, no, yes, no, let's just

(01:23:04):
let's just do it concert hall. It's all these muscle chicks and
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In the Bert it's so cold in the burnt, you guys remember that?
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Fuck yeah. One of the best Beavis and
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(01:23:30):
How the fuck do we post to keep peace?
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With The Shining. Wizards and the wonderful people
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Old interviews. On Friday I dropped the old

(01:24:14):
interview with Joe Hendry. I got to talk to him for the We
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Suck. It yes, got it.
Sorry, wait, was that the Joe Henry appearance?
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(01:24:35):
do like special episodes where we would high like we would do a
lot of stuff with Ring of Honor,their 17th anniversary show,
their 18th anniversary show. So we would do, we'd get
individual interviews, we'd do them all and then we would put
it together as a fun special bonus show.
So we did that for the 18th anniversary show.
Unfortunately, the Ring of Honor18th anniversary show also

(01:24:59):
coincided with COVID-19. So I, we did all these
interviews. Joe Henry, Slacks.
I forget who else was on that show.
Shane Taylor. Was that Matt Martinez on that
show? No, I think it was 17.
OK, but but we did, we, I'd interviewed Joe for the 18th

(01:25:22):
anniversary show and then a day before it was to drop, COVID-19
happened and they shut everything down.
So the ROH 18th anniversary shownever took place.
We still aired the episode because the great interview with
Joe and this was years ago. So that's on YouTube this
Friday. The interview that we did with
Jordan Oliver drops and that wasright when he was at the height

(01:25:46):
of injustice in MLW. He was coming off of the viral
clip that he had with him and Blake Christian where people are
losing their minds. So we talk about that a little
bit. So that'll be a fun interview.
And then we have an Ethan page one dropping around box day,
right. That's the day after Christmas.

(01:26:06):
Yes, Boxing Day, box day, box day.
I got to find out if there's a box day.
I I I got to say it because SJ just a big announcement for
January. She she TKD us here.
Oh, I like the font. Me too did.
You do that HK. I did not.

(01:26:29):
I love it. Big fan.
Just showed up and it was like that.
Probably those, probably the Mark Order guys.
I don't care for it. Hey, Tony.
Also, you know what I found? Out.
I didn't do a show, Tony, come on.
Well, Mark Order's still airing things.
It's like the B team. That's old school.
Tony, did you know that your girl Hollywood from GLOW, like

(01:26:53):
she may have dabbled in a littleporn back in the day.
I don't know about porn, but shedoesn't them wrestling and
boxing videos. You sure was.
But I'm talking about like back in the day.
What do you mean by the day? Like how long are we talking?
I don't know when she was not. I mean, she's still an
attractive lady now, but like 30years ago.

(01:27:15):
No, this can't be. No, this is not her.
You. That was you found it fast.
If if you did. No, it's definitely not her.
OK. I don't think she did a movie
called Long Jean Silver. I think it was her and another
one of the girls that got involved in.

(01:27:35):
You know. Are you sure you're not talking
about, like, Misty Blue? No.
And Linda Dallas. I know Misty Blue does.
I met Misty Blue. I have a Misty Blue autograph
somewhere. I know you do.
Oh dude these videos are gross. This is not her.
What are? You watching 2 girls 1 cup?

(01:28:00):
Jesus Christ. I got I you want, you want
episode names? I got great episode names here,
please. Holy, holy cow.
That's one of the episode. Holy cow.
No, no, no, there's other ones. Must be a beastiality thing.
No, it has to do with like mothers.
But I won't, you know, Anyway, Imean who.

(01:28:22):
Moving on. Oh, here she is.
All right. I found her.
She's on Babapedia. Babapedia.
What? The fuck?
She did solo and and bondage videos.
Oh good for her. Yeah I told you.
Fuck yeah. Boobs fake slashed enhanced.
What? The fuck?
I mean you got to have the statsI guess.

(01:28:42):
No dude, the the stats are insane right hair colored brown,
height 57 body type athletic andthen it gets into pubic hair
shaved slash Brazilian fucking awesome.
Sorry, mom, I'm. Not talking about things, just

(01:29:11):
talk. Bad things.
She is quite the dish though. She's a very attractive woman.
Oh Christ, I'm scrolling down. More like Jeanie Bassone, right?
Raquel Rodriguez is here. Nancy Benoit or a woman?
Misty, Blue Simmons. Misty.
Blue and old doughnut belly. Like on Babe Maria and Marina

(01:29:43):
Shaffir's here too. What?
She's a bad ass. Fucking awesome, babe.
Babe Pedia on the Genie Bassoon page at the very bottom.
It gives you like, like also like more like.
I guess because they're related because of wrestling.
I don't know. Let's see what Kelly Klein did.

(01:30:07):
Babe Pedia, Babe pedia. No, it just has her.
As an American former pro wrestler best known for her time
and Ring of Honor. She doesn't have any any of the
any of the vital stats listed. Who's?
That. Who's that?
Oh, yeah. I got, I got Babe Pedia.
You got today's birthdays? No, I I got to go to the main

(01:30:28):
page. I got to see who's who's born
today. Christ, do we get a cut out of
this Babe Pedia? I don't.
I I wish, bro, the main page hasgot some honkers.
There's some babes that were born today.
Jesus. Oh, like today, today, today,
today and Jesus Christ. Jesus.

(01:30:48):
Yeah. Kristen.
Kirsten too sweet is celebratingher 20th birthday today.
Happy birthday, Kristen. Denise.
Denise Cream you is celebrating her 29th birthday.
Oh, happy birthday, Denise. I don't go to Babeopedia,

(01:31:09):
people. No, please go to Babeopedia.
I like this honest porn reviews.Like there's any other porn
reviews? Well, not those joke.
Because. It has corporate reviews, bro.
There's a lot of babes having birthdays today.
Yeah, there is. Oh, shit.
Kristen Ritter from Breaking Badis 44 today.
Look at that. Happy birthday, Kristen.

(01:31:33):
Oh, my goodness. This is wild.
Yeah, it is wild. There's no way.
Fanny Steele is turning 48 today.
Good Lord, that old battle axe. Fanny.
Steele's guy. How's Fanny looking these days?
There's a little bit of tread left.
I'm going to try. I'm going to try.

(01:31:54):
There's no way to save me out ofthis, though.
I'm just going to ask, did you guys have a favorite?
John, Cena, Matt. Whoa.
Amina Chubby. Good Lord.
Happy birthday, Amina. Somebody got a horse face.
All right. I think I had enough of Babe
Pedia. Sorry.

(01:32:14):
Mad Words is John Cena's birthday today.
Jesus. Did you see Denise Derringer?
She's turning 55. Oh yeah, she's the one with the
hitters, right? Jesus.
Good Lord, Brundo Brundo, do youhave a favorite John Cena match?
Should we share this? CM Punk Money in the Bank Should
we share the? Screen No.

(01:32:34):
Yeah. Oh, please don't share the
screen. There's a lot of people that
want to see Babe Pedia. They want to wish all these
lovely ladies so we're. Gonna go on their work computer
and look it up you're. Gonna get us another block on
YouTube can you not for babe pedia?
They're not showing you know. Well some of them are.
Did you? Did I go to the wrong babe
pedia? Cuz the whole problem whole

(01:32:54):
front page was naked chicks beef.
That's the right place. No, the birthday page.
It's very tasteful. Dude, there's 2 pages of
birthdays. It says showing page one of two.
How do I get to page 2? Oh, look at that.
If you click, if you click collect, click here to select
another date. You can go to any date in the
calendar year. Find out whose birthdays are
there. That's a very good thing.

(01:33:15):
Who do you share a birthday with?
Tony? No, I'm looking up November
21st. Kelly Gallagher.
She's a cutie. She's showing some heinie.
Oh, Hannah. Oh, whose birthday is the same
as yours, pal? Happy birthday, Hannah.
Holy shit. All right, I also I also share

(01:33:38):
birthday with the Bella Twins. Both of them.
Oh yeah, there's Nikki Bella. Look at that.
How come Nikki gets a separate entry and then the Bella Twins
get one? Like, that's weird, right?
I also share birthday with WWE Hall of Famer Alpha.
I was on the on babe pedia and Shane Douglas.

(01:34:02):
They you're not on babe pedia. No, I'm trying to bring it back
to hey Goldie Hawn turned 80 this year on your birthday.
Oh, happy birthday, Goldie. Give a shit.
Why are you so angry? Oh shit, Jenna Malone too?
Who's Jenna Malone to Jenna? Is Jenna Malone from the Jersey

(01:34:22):
Shore, or is that a different dodge?
Jennifer. All right.
Money in the bank. I'm sorry.
Money in the bank. Well, do you have the homework
ready? Match, Tony.
My favorite John Cena match. All of them are tied.
You're such a fucking hum. I know, handsome.
Kevin, you have one I so I wouldsay more than anything, I have

(01:34:42):
AI have a favorite, like time period, like one match doesn't
stick out for me. But I think at that certain
point in his career where it felt like he kind of got pissed
off at fans for saying that he couldn't wrestle.
And he started kind of opening up his move set during the open
challenge time period, the US open challenge.
I think that he was putting on some fantastic matches every

(01:35:03):
week on Monday night Raw. So I can't like point to one
match of his and go, that's the one I want to watch over and
over again. It's just more so that time
period because I think that he really he kind of started taking
a different approach and incorporating some some
different things and showing people like, hey, it's not just
the, you know, the five moves, the five moves work and the five
moves, you know, still work. But he also showed people that

(01:35:24):
there's other layers to what he can do in the ring.
So I point to that kind of time period and go, he's a lot of
great stuff. Yeah, that time period, I
believe, had that Seth Brock Lesnar triple threat.
Jesus, that was a great fucking match.
Dude, I'm always going to be a fan of the Doctor of Thug
anomics. I loved everything about that.
When he would come out and just fucking rap in and throw these

(01:35:46):
nuts at people. I love that shit that like that.
To me, I know it's like up and coming John Cena, but every once
in a while he would pull that out for nostalgia and it just
fucking hits every time. Every single time.
The one thing that I did bond with my son with during John
Cena's career was when John was trying to do the fucking

(01:36:07):
springboard stunners and he fucking look like a chode.
Every time he did it, my kid, hewould laugh his balls off and
go, what the fuck is he trying to do?
I said he's trying to change it up because he should stop.
It seemed like during that time period he would, he would take
or he would sell a little bit differently too.

(01:36:29):
Like it was really weird becauseyou, you got so used to seeing
what he was doing every week andit was always kind of the same,
a hash of the same, you know what I mean?
Or at least a little bit adjacent to the same thing.
So when he started kind of opening up a little bit in in
his style, I thought it was very, very fun.
He's definitely, he's definitelyup there.
Definitely up there. Also fun was the the US Open

(01:36:52):
when he was the United States champion.
That's what I was, the Tony I was just talking about.
Smackdown's also going to be 3 hours.
Oh. Is it?
Yeah. Let me double check.
Can you confirm that that's not us?
It's not on babe. PDS.
Put the. Game of PD away you fucking
pervert. You started this?

(01:37:14):
Christ. Yeah, I I guess I did.
Yes. He was the number one wrestler
in the PWI 503 times. He has 11 slam award winners.
He has insult of the year. What was it, 2012?
To Dolph Ziggler and Vicki Guerrero?

(01:37:36):
You're the exact opposite. One enjoys eating a lot of nuts
and the other is still trying tofind his.
He has best gimmick in 2003, best interviews, 2007 Feud of
the Year with Punk, Match of theyear with Punk, Money in the
Bank. He has seen it all and done it

(01:37:58):
all. And, and yeah, you know, Matt,
Matt Burch was kind of right. Like you kind of want to you
wanted to send them home happy and we didn't get it.
And and my point was that he spent the last 20 years doing
it, but you know, you don't knowwhat you got till it's gone.
Like when we started this podcast, he was already in the

(01:38:22):
like, we're sick of Cena like era Cena wins, we riot.
Like everyone was pulling for Punk against Cena had money in
the bank. Like we didn't give a shit.
Did John Cena serve surviving Rob Van Dam?
The fucking onslaught of the crowd and you just stop.

(01:38:43):
Wait, what happened? You don't want this.
I'm trying to get through the show.
What happened? I'm I'm contributing.
I said Rob Van Damme. I love this match. 15 minutes on
Baba PD and now you're sending us pictures?
Wasted. Not wasted at all.

(01:39:03):
We're going to fucking 10 tonight.
Forget it. Yeah.
There's so much more wrestling to talk about and talk about
wrestling. That's what we do.
Is there anything else we want to say about John Cena before we
move? Berry Berry, Bulberry Banana.
Fan of I didn't want to say thatFucking sweet dog.

(01:39:27):
You you had. Asked earlier double T if he is
if he is the greatest of all time.
And I think I think that there'sa lot of different ways that you
have to you have to approach like that question.
And I think that it's way too easy to just have that like
recency bias and go, no, it's too soon.
We can't say that he's, you know, he's the greatest or that

(01:39:49):
recency bias and say, no, I mean, of course he's the
greatest. Look what he's done.
But I do think that he 100% is in that discussion and that
argument and anybody that goes with, yes, he is the greatest of
all time. I would not argue against it.
Yeah, I just I just wouldn't he carried the company for a very
long time. You know, talk about a guy that

(01:40:11):
showed up every week, week in week out, great on the mic ring
skills, you know, and every now and again would would lack, and
that's the one thing that like everybody would get pissed off.
About was, you know. Kind of his ring skills, but for
everything that he did in the ring, everything that he did
outside of the ring, like if, ifsomebody says, yes, that's the
greatest all time, I'm, I will not argue against it.

(01:40:34):
So I, I look, I saw a great a great thing on social media
where someone at at the top of the, the picture was Hulk Hogan
giving the leg drop. And it was like our fathers told
us about him growing up. And the bottom was John Cena.
And it was like, we will tell our kids about him growing up.
Like, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, yeah.
And look, the Hulk, the Hulkster, he didn't have a great

(01:40:56):
move set either. Like, but like he, he fucking
checked all the boxes. Same thing with Cena.
Checked all super charismatic fucking.
We loved them like you loved them till you hated them right?
Some people I I don't know, I wasn't, I was not there for the
doctor of Thug Anomic. I hated him till I loved him.
So that's. That's how I always fucking

(01:41:17):
hated them until I finally like,like at a certain point I just
kind of clicked on when you know, this, this guy, fucking
he's, he's got everything that you want.
Why do I hate him so much? So yeah, so that's that's it for
John Chana. It's a rap.
It's. A rap.
It's a rap word life. There was more wrestling this

(01:41:40):
week. We don't have to dive deep into
anything. We don't have to do a two hour
and 45 minute show. Brenda, I'll defer to you.
Is there anything you would liketo talk about?
I would say AE WS hitting a homerun with the C2 right now.
I'm with you. You know what?

(01:42:05):
I noticed something this past week?
Mike Bailey's got a gigantic fucking head.
His head is gigantic and I don'tthink it helps that he wrestles
barefoot. Makes his head even.
Bigger and let me ask you this Dick biting, never in a million

(01:42:28):
years would I have ever thought to bite the Undertaker or
fucking or fucking Paul Orndorffor fucking the Magnificent
Morocco or anybody else putting a pile drive on someone on the
balls. You know why?
Because it's fucking weird and it's stupid.
And if somebody would have thought of it in the 60s, they
would have been shot. There's.

(01:42:51):
No reason nobody ever did it ever until 2025.
Because AW didn't exist. In their stupidity, they didn't.
Ain't fucking wrestling yet. Yeah, you know who didn't get a
tombstone? Jack Perry.
Yeah, I mean, it makes sense. Yeah, but he looks like he's
been dropped on his head a few times anyway.
So what's the fucking penalty? I don't know.
I I just don't like what? You're going to fucking justify

(01:43:13):
biting the Dick? No, I'm not sure if I just You,
you. You're starting.
Is it telling a story? No, thank you.
Are we going to call him like the shark boy Jack Perry now?
Because he like going in on Ike Bailey.
He has a big head and I don't think it helps that he wrestles
barefoot. Those two things have nothing to
do with each other. Yes, they do.

(01:43:33):
He looks like a bigger chode. He looks like big head in NBA
Jam, like he's going. To fall over.
And his teeth, you know, like just do not his teeth, you
asshole. It's a mouthpiece.
Whatever he looks like, he should go.
No, it's not. Whatever, it's not his teeth,
it's a fucking mouthpiece. Now I know why Mark Order

(01:43:59):
doesn't do a show every week anymore.
I wouldn't want to talk about this shit either.
They they did one last week. I I know do you too much about
halfway you and Bruno can talk about AW for like 2 minutes.
No, I don't piss like a bitch. It ain't midnight pissing like a

(01:44:20):
bitch. Fucking awesome.
Anyway, we got new women's tag team champions Babes and Wrath.
Great. The fucking tit is lost.
What you doing, Brando? I'm with you.
I think this year C2 is the besttournament that they've done in

(01:44:43):
terms of the C2. The matchups are great.
They're really setting it up where we're going to get some
good matches down the line leading into End World's End
that you know, are going to matter.
Now my only complaint is that Asfor this I just I I need someone
to sit down and explain to me what is the point of them

(01:45:05):
unifying all these titles if only one of the titles now that
was unified is being presented to the winner.
Yeah, I'm trust me. I'm with you on that one.
I I was totally expecting this to be for both belts.
I thought both belts were the belt now but.
How about you just make it for atitle shot like the G1?

(01:45:30):
That's fair. Also, I mean, I guess they want
to do like the C2, they want to do like the C. 2.
Title shots throughout the year,you know where they have the
special rules for it, where it's20 minute, it's nobody, Nobody
can interfere during it. No managers all that fun shit,

(01:45:50):
but stick to that. Yeah, no.
Great, great set of tournament matches this week.
Okada Jack Perry was great. Mike Bailey, Kyle Fletcher was
awesome. Oh yeah.
Awesome. Claudio and Tequesta on on
collision. Mike Bailey, Kevin Knightley.
Great. Great matches.

(01:46:12):
They mean something, right? The points where this is
exciting. OK, you don't like it.
I get it. I didn't say anything.
You put a fucking gun to your head like you want to blow your
fucking brains out. I did.
I did. I was doing Jeff Hardy.
Jeff Hardy my ass. I thought Jeff Hardy was this.
No, I thought Jeff Hardy was this.

(01:46:33):
Nah. He's sending fucking messages
Wednesday night about Samoa Joe.Why is cheeseburger ready
Getting a title shot? Yeah.
What the fuck? What did he do?
He's mad at Joe, so he gets a title shot?
Is that how he went to? AW, yeah, Tony, I forgot he
said. Hey, man, I'll be.
I'm going to be there on Wednesday.
You'll be what he say. Title shot.
We'll see you there. I mean, I don't hear you guys
fuck complaining about Drew McIntyre, who loses every title

(01:46:54):
shot he gets, but he's once again back in the title picture
with Cody because he's a Dick. Oh, Joe's a Dick, so somebody's
got to knock the Dick out out ofyour mouth.
You know bro. Hey, come back here.

(01:47:14):
You don't like it, that's one thing.
But if you're hate watching it, like I don't understand.
No, I I try to watch it and thensomething aggravates me and I'm
like, yeah, 2, two hours. And then the fucking title
match, it's 10:00 and they're going, we're going to stay with
this. But we got to take another
commercial break. They got the overrun.
Tony, don't worry. I'm with you.

(01:47:35):
The show taking commercial breaks in the overrun.
Who took the commercials for theoverrun?
Let's say it was 957. The show is not perfect, they
could do without it going. Over. 10:00 every fucking
Wednesday. Please write that down because I
think it's apropos for this showas well.

(01:47:56):
Tony, here's what here's what I decided to do.
I'm not going back until after the tournament's over.
I'm just fucking not not fuckingtouching it.
I'm staying away. I went back, I watched 2
episodes but or one episode and they were doing the tournament.
I said Nope, I'll be back after the tournament and I'll I'll see
what's happening then. Can I ask a question?

(01:48:16):
So like Andre the Giant, he's considered like the king of the
battle royal, right? Why?
Because he was 7 foot four and damn near 4 or 500 lbs for
almost his entire career, right?So it would take like a lot of
guys to get him off his feet to get him out of the battle royal.
So you can understand when people say he's the king of the
battle royal, right? Just like some of the old

(01:48:37):
timers, like they were the king of like the bar room brawl or
they were the king of the Brass Knuckles match.
What? The fuck is this?
Like oh he's the king of tournaments?
What does that mean? He wins more matches than anyone
else. Lots of people win more matches
than anyone else. Because the G1 Okada Okada's won
more matches at the G1. He's won the most G1 tournaments

(01:48:59):
I believe you know. What he has.
Santana Does that mean he's the king of Russians it?
Makes fucking sense. This guy has a history of
winning tournaments. Why wouldn't you play that up
during a tournament? You would play it up if he was
during a during a single night tournament.
Otherwise, he's just winning. Match, but it's not a single
night tournament. That's what I'm saying.

(01:49:20):
He knows how to win matches. He knows.
You. But he's not doing anything any
different than somebody who wrestles every week does, you
know? But it makes fucking sense.
He has a history of reading well.
Earned MB says the C2 will nevermatter to me no matter how how
good the matches are because it always feels like they're

(01:49:40):
fighting for one of the least important prizes in AEW and that
tells me a lot there too. The least important prizes in
AEW? Why are you having the prize if
it's the least important? Prize and they split.
It from the other prizes that don't mean anything so it needs
it guy, you can pull that shit out of a crane game now.
Remember when they gave cheeseburger Eddie 3 belts and

(01:50:01):
they took them all away and theyjust handed them out to other
people? Do you remember all right
though? They just gave a belt.
Shot. Tony, I can only, I can't ask.
I think, Brendo, I know HandsomeKevin doesn't watch New Japan.
You'd never felt this way about the G1 until AEW started doing
the C2, though. You never complained about the
G. No, no, no, I did.
Because because these things don't fucking mean anything in

(01:50:23):
the grand scheme of things. The G1, it has a fucking end
game. It has a meaning behind it.
It's not like, oh, you're going to get the Continental title,
the big title, the little title with the fucking crown and this
and that and blah, blah, blah. Who gives this shit?
Okada walks around with this thing like he owns the company.
The news flash, brother, that belt don't mean shit.
Did they lie to him? Did they go, oh hey, it's the

(01:50:44):
international title that means more than the than the world
title because it's international.
Like seriously, that's what that's what sticks to my car.
Now if you told me it was the fucking Young Bucks $1 million
Invitational tournament, now you're talking they're having
another fucking match for $1,000,000, right?

(01:51:07):
It's for the same $1,000,000 that's the.
Story because they only would befrom What's his name?
Yeah. They have fucking. 15,000
worthless belts. You can't throw one at the young
bucks and go here fight over this asshole.
No, they're fighting for the million.
Why can't they give him the Ringof Honor?
Six man titles? Give him something as the word
about Erics. Are they still the Champs?
No, it's Shane Taylor and and CBand Sean Dean, I think.

(01:51:33):
Is that Shane Taylor promotions or are these just random guys?
OK, 1,000,000 bucks fucking awesome.
It's I want to go to an AW pay-per-view.
So at the press conference I could yell WWEWWEWWE.

(01:51:56):
Well, Tony, you want, if you want to go to collision taping
Sunday at Hammerstein Ballroom, we can go, no.
You don't have to mortgage your house to get there.
I have AI have a PUD to pound onSunday.
Pounding your PUD. I'm ordering Rancho loco.
I'm getting a quesadilla with veggies and a fucking burrito to
put my penis inside. He doesn't get a burrito.

(01:52:20):
No, I'm getting a burrito. I'm going Mötley Crüe style so
my fucking Dick smells like a Taco.
HK. This is what I heard.
Yeah. Right.
And I think it smells like a Taco.
Taco Dick fuck it on. Yeah, that's a famous Mötley
Crüe story. They would go fuck these whores

(01:52:42):
and with their last dollar, buy a Taco and rub it on their Dicks
so when they went home their tacos didn't smell like Strange
Gooch. Strange Gooch, Fuck it.
Awesome. I'll let them.

(01:53:05):
We lost them. We lost them.
We're losing. Tony too.
Sounds like Dodie Atlas. Holy shit. 153 if you want to

(01:53:31):
clip that sound mat. Thanks.
What is that? I don't know what you shaking
your fucking. Head there, tiny.
Strange couch. Hey, motherfucker.

(01:53:55):
Hey, what's? Up in.
The bathroom. All right.
My understanding now, handsome Kevin, is you are down wrestling
show to watch. May me and Tony suggest JCW
lunacy. So we're still, we're trying to

(01:54:17):
figure out we're trying to figure out what we're going to
do next. We might Duke and I, I thought
that's what I was not talking about you and Duke.
I'm talking about you. I thought that's what you're
dynamite. Oh, gosh, I thought you were
trying to pitch me watching thatthing.
No, trying to watch if you need a new show to fill the void.
Oh, to fill the void. Yeah.
And I'm, I am going to need something because with the, the

(01:54:38):
fucking catalog going away, I, Idon't know what I'm going to do.
It's going to be dark times, theJuggalo Championship wrestling
lunacy. I'm three weeks in.
I'm I'm loving it. I might I might go back to MLW,
kick the tires on that a little bit, see how they're doing.
Cool. No, don't, don't do that.
OK, No, I don't want to do a weekly show.

(01:54:59):
I think they only run those specials, but TNA is their new
show going to is that going to be a new weekly AMC?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, maybe maybe go that route.
I'll I'll figure it out. I'll figure it out.
JCW GJ yes. Juggalo Championship Wrestling.

(01:55:21):
Yeah. Lunacy.
I don't know, the whole Juggalo thing kind of fucks at me, man.
I I can't really get behind it. the IT seems weird.
Seems really fucking weird. But why?
It's just, it's just named afterthe clowns that they're not
really. The Juggalos are not necessarily
involved. I mean, they're I mean, they're
in the crowd, but the crowd. I don't like them in the crowd.

(01:55:44):
No, but I mean, like violin J iskind of like like not
necessarily an authority figure,I guess, but he kind of lost his
authority figure. Well, not, I mean, not anymore,
but don't worry. True Prince of pro.
We all kind of want to forget MLW from dude.
The heyday was so good with dynasty and injustice.
Like that was like the prime time dude with DH and fucking

(01:56:05):
Teddy just kicking ass. Fuck yeah.
Brian Pillman. Yeah, Oh, man, Fucking I'm.
I'm all in on Juggalo Championship.
Yvonne Eric Boys got their fucking name there.
Yeah, right. Big Vito's a fucking fuck up.
He fucks everything up for VinceRusso.
I'm loving, I'm loving the VinceRusso character.

(01:56:27):
Right. Shit makes sense.
Ninja Mack did a zillion flips. He got caught tombstoned on the
ramp, rolled. How come he didn't bite any
Dicks? To get out of it.
Been a Dick. For the ring in one 2-3 didn't
kick out wasn't no super Cena. I'm digging it.

(01:56:48):
I'm digging it, digging it, brothers a fun instruction.
Cocaine and whatever happened, whatever happened to gain, I
don't know. There was blue Cane cocaine
game. Yeah, but this is the better

(01:57:09):
cocaine. Rainbow Cane I think this.
Is the better cocaine? God bless you, I watched Brenda,
did you watch the NGI? I just watched the opening match
last night. I didn't.
I watched the match, get a chance to watch.
Right, because I know I don't. We don't want to go long, but I

(01:57:30):
just have to, man. I watched GCWI, watched the the
Nick Gage Invitational. I can't tell you the last time I
watched the death Match tournament.
I had a lot of fun watching it. These guys are fucking out of
their God damn months. Yeah, they are.
Yep. And to to to know that Bear
Bronson and Otis Koger had to dothese matches three times.

(01:57:56):
Bear Bronson had this fucking crazy match with this dude
slayed in the first round. They beat the.
Fuck out of each other. They were both bleeding like
stuck pigs. The next match, Bear Bronson has
the first spot. He gets kicked into a piece of
plywood with a bunch of cut Coca-Cola cans on it.
The shit gets stuck in the back of his arm.

(01:58:19):
That's how the match started. I I don't know.
I don't know. It's wild.
It was wild. Wild.
Mr. Danger hurt himself in the first match.
Then he had to come out, wrestlethe second match, holding his
little arm to his his little body.
Holding his little arm to his little body.

(01:58:40):
He's a little skinny guy, man. Was little Sicko in the
tournament? Yeah, Little sicko.
Was Mr. Danger in the ladders and ladders and and and?
Light tubes. Light tubes, maybe.
Yeah, light tubes match. Oh, insane.
With the panes of glass and the barbed wire and the fucking and

(01:59:01):
the fucking. Light tubes.
Light tubes everywhere. Insanity.
You should go one year there. There's something, There's
something to be live for, that'sfor sure.
Yeah, the TOS, they usually do in like July and I'm always
fucking like the it's like the busiest of the year with the
food truck. It's usually the beginning of

(01:59:22):
June every year. That's even worse.
Yeah, that's true. I would love to go.
It's wild. I would be afraid to get glass
in my ass. Oh, you sit like four or five
rows back. You're you're good.
I've never been hit with glass, at least not at one of those.

(01:59:43):
It's wild. I loved it.
I loved every second of it. A little intermission, change
out the mats, and then the last match to take the apron off the
ring. But at that point, these guys,
these guys are beat to shit like.
You. Know it was it was good, but by

(02:00:07):
that point these guys are beat up like it's a fucking It's not
a five star match Meltzer, but it's something it's something
they're taking these bumps on these fucking the the wood and
then they get up and they're just a fucking giant blood stain
of their back. Fucking what's his name?
Bear Bronson getting choke slammed on cinder blocks.

(02:00:29):
Yeah, terrible. Out of control.
Out of control. I watched a lot of wrestling
this week. I feel pretty good about it.
I feel good. Dudes.
I got, I got some DVDs in the mail, original unedited ECWTV.

(02:00:50):
It's a fucking game changer. Yeah, Oh my God, all the fucking
music videos with the original music.
Nothing's edited out. Oh my, me Corazon.
So happy. How's the how's the quality on
them? They're better than they are on
the network. Really.

(02:01:11):
Oh my God, were they recorded off ATV Like I'm going to
suggest because I also got a WCW1992 Worldwide set and the first
episode it looks like it was recorded off of like Classics
24/7. OK, but it is in its entirety.

(02:01:33):
Oh yeah, handsome Kevin's mouth wide open.
I got Saturday night's main event 909192 Worldwide 92, ECWTV
9596. I want like worldwide 92 to like
97. Yeah, he doesn't have
everything. Oh, and I got a prime.

(02:01:54):
I got prime time 89. OK, that's not bad.
Which I know is on the network, but this is not edited, so yeah.
Yeah, the Prime Time 89 Batiste Chef's kiss.
You are watching, you are watching.
You are watching Channing Wizard.

(02:02:16):
Is there anything else you guys want to talk about before we do
our homework? I think that's it.
Yeah, I think I'm good. HK.
No, no, I I I did watch the EricBischoff documentary from 2016

(02:02:38):
this morning. The DVD.
Yeah, yeah, I hadn't seen it. Which kind of shot, Like I was
going through shit looking for stuff to throw in the background
and I was like, fuck, I haven't watched that before.
I like Eric Busheff. Decent guy.
Decent guy. Knows what he's talking about.
Hey, he knows. He knows.

(02:02:58):
Does he? He knows.
He knows. I don't know, man.
He don't. He knows.
No, he knows. Was he there when they fucked up
the the Goldberg Bam bam Bigelowthing in 98?
She might have been around the time where he stopped giving a
shit. He was like hunting all the
time. All.

(02:03:21):
Right. Yeah, cuz that's a that that's
like something they like the presentation of Bigelow in 1998.
Like he didn't have theme music.He wasn't like he was presented
as like he wasn't part of WCW. Like he was like a real threat
to Goldberg. And then Kevin Nash is like, I'm
going to insert myself with thisand I'm going to beat him as
target 98. So suck on that.

(02:03:43):
Yeah, suck my balls. Yeah.
By that time, Nash Nash was running the shit.
Yeah, but he you don't think like there were you think he was
like the be all end all or like Bischoff wasn't like the guy
that was like, hey, that's a badidea.
No, they didn't. They didn't touch on that
specifically in this documentary.
I mean, obviously no, but that'sjust fresh in my mind because I

(02:04:03):
was watching 98 WCW. Yeah, yeah.
But I think that I. Think at that point it's because
Bischoff had to pull back. We had to pull away from some of
the the shit to take care of theother shit while the, you know,
kind of patching other holes on the ship as it was taken on
water instead of handling the book.
That's why why Nash took it on. You can't let the inmate turn

(02:04:24):
the asylum. He's a very smart man, though.
Yeah, I like him. I like him.
A lot of interesting. Stuff in that documentary, I
hadn't watched it before Which. Which again which?
Surprised me because I thought Ihad seen all of them like from
that era they did those kind of bum.
They stopped stopped putting outthose documentaries.

(02:04:46):
Yeah. I'm going to see how many more I
can take in before they they pull the plug just.
I want to make sure I I. Caught them all before they pull
them. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
Homework. Yay, HK.
You took us back to Judgement Day 2005 for the JBL John Cena.

(02:05:10):
I quit match. Why did you decide to sign this
for homework, buddy? Well, they're going into they're
coming off of Cena's last match.I I know we were going to it was
going to be a heavy Cena tonight.
And I wanted to touch on on a match that I remember from Cena
during, you know, an earlier portion of his career, I guess
20 years ago. Seems like a nice a nice spot to

(02:05:30):
go to Funny. I didn't realize that this was
at Target Center until until. I threw it out.
I don't remember it being at Target Center.
I'm like 90% sure I was not there for this.
I did go to a handful of shows at the Target Center.
I'm pretty sure this is not one that I was, I was there live
for, but him against JBL and I think that that JBL was.

(02:05:53):
JBL was like. A super like as far as the heel
goes during this time he was as true a heel as he could possibly
get. So seeing those two work
together is something I think was was pretty fantastic.
So I guess I wanted to go something Cena 20 years ago,
throw JBL at it and then see what happens.
It was, it was a bloodbath. It was, it was not something I

(02:06:20):
was expecting because I've neverseen the match.
You've never seen it? No, this is this era of WWE and
TNA and Ring of Honor. Like I was not watching
wrestling at this time. So to go back and get to see
this, you know, WWE always hits a home run with their promo

(02:06:41):
packages before. What belt did JBL have that
wasn't a champion? No, it was the WWE Championship.
That was the one like Hulk Hogandebut.
Triple H had it, Brock Lesnar had it.
I think part of the. That had the spinner belt at
that point. Cena was the champion.

(02:07:02):
Yeah, but I think JBL pulled theother belt out of the garbage
and he felt that Cena slighted the old belt.
So, you know, I don't. OK.
Because I know you'd made reference to it that he wanted
his championship back, but he didn't.
They No one explained why he hadthat title with him.

(02:07:22):
JBL not seen. Yeah, Because.
Yeah. Because, you know, Cena.
Spinny. Spinny.
Yeah. Yeah, Cena Spinny.
Through me, I loved it. I thought it was great.
The you know, use of the referee.

(02:07:43):
Just being there with the microphone was great.
JBL constantly taking the microphone, talking shit to
Cena. Cena bleeding like a stuck pig.
All the props that they came outto the limo and the monster
truck and the DJ booth were usedfantastically.
My only I have two complaints. The swinging neck breaker on the

(02:08:06):
on the the limo, on the hood. It was a terrible choice.
It was 'cause they neither one of them hit the fucking hood.
They both just sat down and thenthe finish.
Oh, no, the first grade I, I wish he had gotten a little
closer and had like had raised up what he was going to throw at

(02:08:28):
him before JBL quit. Yeah, I see.
I see where I see where you're coming from.
I There was so much within this match that I liked.
They they worked. In different spots it was it was
gruesome as it needed to be, especially in an I quit match.
You knew something like that wasyou know something like that was
was coming as far as as far as the brutality.

(02:08:49):
JBL and Cena talking shit throughout the match was gold.
JBL on the on the stick throughout the match is is gold.
I love when when Cena told him to kiss his ass and threw when
the back body dropped to the table.
That was fucking awesome. When JBL calls him a fucking
fucking scary spot. Yeah yeah Oh yeah, cuz he
landed, he landed right on the fucking edge.

(02:09:10):
Yeah he's making it. Then that was it.
When JBL calls him a punk ass bitch and seeing how fires up on
him. That was great all the way out
to breaking the, the limo door off.
Like fucking taking a bump into a limo door is is is not child's
play. Like the the guy they're they're
fucking working out there. I love the finish to this match

(02:09:31):
because it shows how much of A chicken shit heel JBL actually
was. Like him saying that you have to
take a soul, all that kind of shit.
And then not waiting for him to raise it up, not waiting for him
to be in like unbelievably imminent danger and for him just
to go. No, no, I quit.
I quit. That's it for me.

(02:09:53):
Like it fucking shows like. That much more of that chicken
shit heel that he was, and for him to be that size and wrestle
with the type of power and forcethat he did, but still be able
to play the chicken shit heel role that he did, shows how good
of a character he was. I mean, he still took the hit
afterwards still, so you still got what you wanted there.
But I thought it was brilliant. I like that and my memory is a

(02:10:18):
little foggy but like the Giant TV that they put JBL his head
through. Yeah.
In 2005, was that still a thing,Those giant TV's, you could
still get those. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But you're not putting a guy through a fucking picture tube.
Come on. It was a working picture tube,

(02:10:38):
Tony. Clearly it wasn't working.
Although I do, I do. Like, it was a nice touch.
Like even though the TV was gimmicked, when JBL yanked the
cable out of it, it gave the spark.
That was a nice touch. Oh yeah, they did that on the on
the, the, the, the, the truck too.
When they pulled out the, the, the, the cylinder.

(02:11:02):
Yeah, yeah, that was in the video game when the hose starts
going all. Over.
Man, you got to be careful with those, right?
Because if you knock the fuckingnozzle off one of those things
that'll take off like a fucking Rocky.
That would have been amazing. Would have had a Section 28
quit. Three people died today at a

(02:11:23):
World Wrestling Federation eventat the Target Center where HK
frequents. Yeah, the neck breaker on the
limo was kind of. And I do get why JBL didn't wait
for Cena to raise up because he didn't want to have it and seen
his head were like fucking I'm already here.
So he wanted to cut it off at the pass and then Cena just said

(02:11:45):
fuck it anyway and threw it at him anyway.
So but the neck breaker is is a weird fucking spot to pick to do
on a fucking limousine hood likeanything else like a back body
drop a fucking pile driver. Anything else would have fucking
worked there side. Slam.
Anything and he also hit the neck breaker on the floor and

(02:12:06):
the fucking camera missed it. Although I did like the fucking
back body drop from one table tothe other.
Like that could have ended so badly for JBL, but he landed
perfectly and avoided breaking his back on the side of the
table. Thank goodness he sat up,
otherwise like landed on his assor else that would have been
hit. Yep and Taz panicking where he

(02:12:27):
was like no no come on you don'tneed to do that man that's
enough. When he fucking pick the stairs
up I was like even Taz is fucking concerned for Cena now.
This was fucking. But this was awesome.
I love the shit out of this match.
I thought it was fun. And here's, here's the irony,
right? So I watched it this afternoon.
Cena had the same fucking comeback spot against Gunther.

(02:12:48):
He fucking went through all the same fucking moves after he's
getting his ass kicked, and thenhe went right back to getting
his ass kicked again. It was fucking beautiful.
One of my friends said that whenwe were watching the The
Saturday Night's Main event, when Gunther for the second time
tried to punch Cena and he went into the the whatever the
fucking Blue Thunder thing that he drops them with.

(02:13:10):
He's like, you think after all these years people would try and
like, stop trying to punch Cena?It never works out.
And that's the thing. It's like people walking into
Bret Hart and taking the atomic drop, you know?
It's like people hitting the ropes and getting hit with the
Arnie Anderson spinebuster, you know?
Ric Flair climbing to the top. Yeah, I think he hit.

(02:13:32):
I think he hit a fucking dive once during the Nitro era.
I think it was actually successful.
Once I think the Undertaker WrestleMania match, I think he
hit it in that one. Probably, yeah, that would make
sense. It's it's fun to watch this
stuff. And it's also like the simplest
shit. Like it blows my mind with this

(02:13:55):
era of wrestling that we're in now.
WWEAEW, whatever. Like there's a playbook of
things you can do, like just theway they use the microphone,
like, to hit each other, like, just that, like just the sound
of getting hit with a microphone.
It adds, it's such a little detail, but it adds so much.

(02:14:16):
Yeah, it added a lot when Maki Ito did it, too.
And like Matthew Birch said, like John Cena, like with all
the like the guttural, like, no,I won't quit.
Like, like choking on it. Like I mean he must have taken
so many fucking aspirins before that match.
Oh my God. There was a shot of them laying
on the on the floor at ringside.Yeah, No, at ringside where he

(02:14:38):
was dripping the blood all over the place.
Yeah, I think there was one on the truck too, where it was A,
and you can just see his head issideways and it's still like
just dripping off of him. What a fuck.
It was like if you were going towrestle JBL in this era, you had
to give yourself the worst bladejob ever.
See Eddie Guerrero, see John Cena.

(02:14:58):
Like he was fucking pissing blood so early.
It was crazy. And it never it, it never dried
up. It, it was gushing, bro.
That was that fucking chair shotthat JBL hit him with, too.
Yeah. Dude.
I fucking cringed when I heard that.
I was like what the fuck? Good times man, good times.

(02:15:22):
I love the shit out of this match there HK.
Thank you I. Just want to go to.
I want to go to MB says the finish was the best part.
The fact that JBL quit because he was scared and seemed to
still hit him with the weapon after the match was great.
Perfect way to close out the feud.
Oh, so that was it that I was going to ask if that was the end
of the feud. Yeah.
Yeah. It would have had to have been
because it stretched from WrestleMania to that point.

(02:15:46):
Fuck yeah, yeah. I mean, Cena won the title at
Mania. Like how many more rematches can
you give JBL after that? I said did.
Right. It was no, because it wasn't at
JBL and Batista at that summer slam and.
That was for the belt. Let's see.
Judgement Day was in 05, Vengeance 06.

(02:16:11):
The main event is Batista, Triple H for the world
heavyweight title. Cena's in a triple threat with
Chris Jericho and Christian. That's Vengeance.
The Great American Bash O 5 is JBL Batista for the world title.
Yeah, Kyle chimed in. That was for the world title, so

(02:16:33):
JBL was chasing gold and on the other brand, maybe they flipped.
Oh, that's right. They drafted he, they got
drafted. Yeah, because shortly after Cena
won the title, they had the draft and Cena was the first
round pick and then Batista wound up being the last pick for
Smackdown. We we had a very brief period of
time where they were both on Raw.
Yeah, I think Mark Van Damme, Rob Van Damme might have been

(02:16:57):
the IC champ at the time. So I think he was like the king
of Smackdown for a bit maybe. If I remember US champ,
probably. Maybe, yeah, I don't know.
Benoit wins the US title at SummerSlam.
He takes it from Orlando Jordan.You were right.
Educated Batista, JBL, No holds,no holds barred match for the

(02:17:18):
World Heavyweight Championship. Cena's still dealing with
Jericho for the WWE Championshipat SummerSlam.
O5. There it is.
Got you. That's a hell of a match too,
between. JBL and Batista.
That's the the Hogan HPK. Yeah, it's a great, it's the
best summer slam. It's the best summer slam.
Mr. Baptista. Papatista.

(02:17:43):
So thumbs up all around, I'm guessing then.
Fuck yes. Two big ones right here.
The streak continues. Tony, you seemed very excited
about your homework this week. And what are you assigning to us
and the listeners? I wanted to go with something
Christmassy. Beings that Christmas is going
to be next week. I did a little search for some

(02:18:05):
some Christmas cheers, some Christmas action, something that
we could have watched. And I was a pubic hair away from
picking the Divas match where itwas mistletoe on a pole, my
pole. Considering that the watch time
of that match was like under 2 minutes, I was like, yeah, I got
to come with something a little more correct than that.
It wasn't. It wasn't really much of A Divas

(02:18:26):
match to begin with. Spoiler alert, one of the one of
the Bella Twins kicks the other one in the bread basket and gets
the fucking mistletoe in about two minutes.
And it turns out she doesn't wina Divas title match even though
Santa Foley told her she would. She actually gets to find and
kiss one of the superstars. So I was like, as funny as that

(02:18:50):
would be, it's not worth a fucking 3 minutes of anybody's
time. So I decided to go a little more
creative and we're going to TNA Impact Episode 182, air date
December 20th, 2007. There were a lot of Christmas
matches on this one, but the onethat I picked is called Silent

(02:19:12):
Night Bloody Night. It's a hardcore form way match
with a barbed wire Christmas tree.
It's relic, abyss, shark boy andblack rain.
Jesus Christ. Relic and black rain and black
rain and black rain. Looks like cheeseburger ready.

(02:19:32):
I just say I look just a tub of shit.
He looked like hell when he was Black rain.
He looked like a fucking Oreo cookie in this one.
A double stuff. Hey, double stuffs.
But yeah, we got Shark Boy, we got Relic.
Did you know that's killer spelled backwards?
I had no idea. Brundo.

(02:19:52):
Thank you. That's.
That's Johnny the Bull. Yeah.
Yeah. Dude, why are you spoiling this?
I didn't say who Black Rain was,Apron Bomb said.
I just watched this. So good.
We got a thumbs up already. True prison pro.
Hell yeah. Excellent.
Yeah. And that entire show is all

(02:20:16):
Christmasy stuff. And I didn't realize until after
I picked the match, I said, you know what, we're going with this
one. I'll have to.
See if I can log into my Impact plus capital.
Oh, no, I I got you the gimmick.I'll send the gimmick later.
Just yeah, go on YouTube and just put in barbed wire
Christmas tree. It'll, it'll come right on.
All right. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's, it's like
a 10 minute video. The match is about 7 minutes or

(02:20:38):
so. So it's it's highly
entertaining. There's got to be something with
Eric Young on that show, like dressed as Santa or.
Well, let me see, I have the OR.Something like that.
You've got the Christmas Chaos Eight man's tag team, Steel cage
match, Booker T, Scott Steiner and LAX against James Storm,

(02:20:58):
Bobby Roode and the Rock and Rave Infection.
You've got double North Pole sixman tag team Jay Lethal and the
Motor City Machine Guns against Johnny Devine and Team 3D, the
non title Santa's workshop, Nineway street fight, Kong Angelina
Love, Christy Hemi, GAIL Kim, Jackie Moore, Miss Brooks, ODB,

(02:21:21):
Roxy Lavoe and Velvet sky. All right, change my mind.
Sign me up. And your main event loser wears
a reindeer suit ladder match. There it is.
Kazarian and AJ Styles. Oh wow.
That's the entire show. HKI know what year you should go
to next? What's that?
This is 2017. 2007 TNA. This entire show seems amazing

(02:21:47):
if it wasn't. If it wasn't for the fact that
it'd be like an hour watch, I would say just watch the whole
show. But that the fucking barbed
wire, Christmas tree, silent night, bloody night.
How could you go wrong? No.
We'll find out next week. Yes, we will.
HK, you're in Mexico next week. No, yes, yes.
I'm in my second home. Beautiful Mexico.

(02:22:11):
All right, all right. And we got the apron bump is
back next week. Yep.
Yes. Oh, Kyle.
Hey, maybe Kyle wants to join usfor homework talk since he
watched it. Oh.
That's a good idea. Throw it out there.
We could do homework early, you know, unless you want to get

(02:22:35):
Kyle on late. I don't know if he's got to go
to bed early like I do. I don't know.
We can discuss off the air and maybe.
Yeah. Fuck that.
Fuck these people. We don't want to fuck them.
Everything. Yeah.
Wow. What do you think is WWE
commentary? We're going to give away the
fucking store. Come on.
Yeah, fuck them. Come on.
Give away the store. Not fucking awesome.

(02:22:56):
Well, you don't have to ask Kyletwice.
He's down. So.
Yeah. But does that mean this Kyle on
the show, the whole is he is he fourth chair?
Oh, listen, I wasn't going to gothat far.
But you know, we could, we couldopen that door.
We do homework early with AI. Like when Kyle hangs up on us,
though, he might have a festive one in the chamber, like a
Festivus thing, you know, like he fucking hits US with the the

(02:23:19):
stick of torture or whatever it was and that's it.
He fucking he's out torture. I don't know.
Wasn't there some gimmick that they fucking had for Festivus?
They had the pole. The pole?
Yeah. Instead of the Christmas tree,
it was the pole. Yeah, and then it was the feats
of strength. Yeah, Kyle's stick a pole up our
ass, he'll fucking bench press 400 lbs and then he say see you
later. Happy New Year.

(02:23:40):
That's all believable for Kyle. Fuck, yeah.
Kyle's down for everything. See, look at that, he said.
I'm down. Did we?
Before we wrap up, I just want to we, we had a couple deaths.
I don't know if we talked about them, but nobody got a point.
But Mr. Electricity. Stephen Regal passed them today.

(02:24:02):
It was reported that Solomon Grundy passed.
Oh, no shit. Yeah.
He had a heart attack at 70 something.
Why is your camera going up? I'm sorry.
I was moving. I was getting the, the.
No, it was weird because you froze like and it was it was
like incrementally going up while you were talking.
I'm I really don't want to call optimum and fucking scream

(02:24:24):
again. I really don't have your wife
call. She's good at that.
That should be a bonus. She she made Al shake in his
fucking boots or his lack of boots, whatever she was wearing.
Boots. I see Kevin snapped his sandals,
he was so shaken. Oh, so this is the rest.

(02:24:47):
So next week we have no handsomeKevin.
Kyle's going to be with us. So it's just a regular show.
The 29th we were we will be doing our Christmas show
spectacular and in just because we'll be feeling festive, we're
going to do the 2026 Death Pool draft that night as well.

(02:25:09):
Tony in the lead right now. HK still not on the board.
Tony, you got 2. Me and Brendo each have one
Handsome Kevin now 16 days left.Yeah.
What do we do now in the in the case of like Mr. Electricity,
Stephen Regal, he passed like inJuly and we didn't find out
about it till last week. Like, what happens if that

(02:25:30):
happens with one of HK's guys? Like in February we hear like,
oh, like HK got two guys that died and like October and
November like, well, if it happened in within that year,
then it still counts. But but what if we have like a
tie? What if he gets 2 real fast?
Boom boom and there's a tie. It's not science, bro.
It's it's a fucking pig. Do you guys have a death off?

(02:25:53):
Like what? How do we determine?
Yes, we stab each other in the asshole until one of us quits
with our Dicks. No, I was thinking the Festivus
stick, but yeah. Oh yeah, no, it's.
Festivus. That's what I meant at the
Festivus thing. No, we, we go, we go
back-to-back and whoever gets itfurther in wins with our Dicks.
And then January 5th, we're going to announce the 2026 class

(02:26:16):
for the 26. What in 2026?
We'll announce the class of 2026.
In 2026. I said January 5th.
I don't know, whatever you said.Yeah, January 12th, too tough.
Tony joins the Shining Wizard wrestling podcast.
Hey, do we have any more awesome, any more pay per views

(02:26:38):
for the rest of the year? Yeah, World's End.
AW, World's End and then I thinkTNA.
Yeah. So WWE pay per views are done?
No, cuz, yeah, cuz we finish at the No, cuz, yeah, no cuz.
Yeah, there's no January pay-per-view.
So Royal Rumble, but that's where we start.

(02:26:58):
That's February. Now, that's before that
Saturday, January 17th is Genesis, and that is the last
one. Isn't there like Deadline or
some shit? Like an NXT Deadline just
happened? Oh, it did.
Never. Mind just happened.
I don't think they have one in. B, They don't have, like, missed
the deadline like the fall New Year's Eve is.
Or what's it? New Year's evil?

(02:27:19):
It's evil, yeah. It's.
ATV. Special.
Cool man. Cool.
And then we'll have to discuss if that's it on picks or if we
change the pick format or I kindof hope it we're done with
picks. Not if I win.
I really. Oh, come on, eat a shit.
You're winning. You're still too behind Tuba,

(02:27:43):
Too behind Oh fuck me running. And with that and nothing else
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over at our Patreon, the Executive Producer May Crotzo,
producers Kate Hensar, High 5, Tom Ryan Schlong, Al Day, Kathy
Hummer, Jesse Elwell, Emily Brock, Michael Hammond, Keith
Parker I Dunk Biscuits, and Henry Bauer the Third.

(02:28:27):
Thank you all for your support. I.
Remember Brenda Fly? I forgot to do it.
Fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking good night.

(02:28:48):
It's Diana. Good night, Diana.
God damn it, fuck me. Fuck.
Me. Fuck me.

(02:29:10):
Fucking loser and on top of me I'll beat you off.
The one that go. Meet to meet.
No shoes, no socks. Jesus Christ, blow my ass.
You. Fat this idiot doesn't know how

(02:29:33):
to speak a fucking English language.
I have a small Dick. This show is not worth a fist.
Whoa, hey, wait. Sign me up.
You. Fucking assholes.
Fucking whore. Kind of you.
Know you are kind of into weird stuff.
What was that? That was remember when I smashed

(02:30:03):
my mic? What, when?
Hey, hey ho ho, this penis party's got to go.
What do you think Lollipop is about?
No, somebody's playing with the plugs.

(02:30:29):
Boy, I got to use the bathroom. Hi, this is Billy and you're
listening to the Shining WizardsWrestling Podcast, Shining
wizards.com and plus you can find us on iTunes.
Just look for Shining Wizards Wrestling Podcast and please
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(02:30:50):
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