Episode 773: He's Gonna Be Your Homie

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All right, welcome to episode 773, the Shining Wizards
Podcast. And tonight we got a packed.
Go for you. Instead of just a corner, we got
the whole hand job room for you as Kyle from the Apron Bump
podcast sitting in for HK who's probably off in Mexico losing a
kidney right now. Plus we are joined by B2

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himself, Mr. Bill Booyah Buchanan at 8:00.
So just like Santa in a few days, let's start it by by
emptying our sacks with some wrestling talk.
And talk about wrestling. Brundo.
Double T your mic rolls not on stupid handsome.

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Kyle. I hate that you make me mute it
because I never talk. Tony.
Yeah, I. 1st I don't make you mute it.
Mute your Mike's assholes. That's something you usually
say, yeah. Well, I didn't.
I. Was really abusive.
I'm good. I'm good.
Glad to appreciate the infight by the way.

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Fourth chair sitting in the whole time.
If there's anything that everybody loves the two hour
hand job. So glad to be here on this
holiday edition. 2 hour. I mean, you can it can never go
too long. 2 hour hand job. Yeah. 2 hour hand job.
No spit, all friction. That's what they call me.
But yeah, happy to be here, boys.
No spit, all friction. Well, somebody from Mexico's

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awake Molly. Hola yeah, well, you know, he's
doing the same exact thing he would do in Minnesota, just in
Mexico. So.
How many circles has Kevin run this morning already?
Walked. He doesn't run, he walks.
He walks. That's right, he walks with a
pointless. That's tiny little feet.
You think when he walks it makeslike Twinkle toes Flintstone

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when he's bowling, like dinga dinga, dinga dinga.
Maybe, maybe sure. The two hour hand job sounds
fit. Did you?
I'm going to ask this because it's just going to open a whole
another box of worms. When you were in your youth, did
you ever jerk off so much that you started to like, RIP the
skin off your Dick? Sure did.

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Sure did. It was like, it was like at my
peak of masturbating. It's like college.
So not as a child. I think in college I got a
little too aggressive with it soI had to pull back a little bit.
But I'm I'm clean now. All good.
Yeah, no, I meant like not now. If I mean now that's I'll be.
No, it's good now. It's fine.
Yeah. No, no issues.

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Good, that's what I like. To was it the was it the stress
from being in school like? Possibly.
Was it boredom? Well, column A, column BI mean,
surrounded by college ladies, gals, things of that ilk.
It was a recipe for, yeah, a lotof blood.
You have to put news on it, figure out.

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Once you figure out what it's for, you just go at it.
Sure, Yeah, why stop? What is for baby Don't hurt me.
Don't jerk me. No.
Love it. Somebody on the show really
likes the way I sing. I do.
I love the way Tony sings. So, Kyle, happy that you're

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here. Brendo, how are you?
I'm doing great. Yeah, you're ready for the the
holiday season. Yeah, yeah, I think I actually
am for once. Your son does not listen to the
show, does he? Yeah, he does.
He does. Well, no, if only if he's in the
car with my wife. OK.
And. How?
He's 13, so yeah, you don't spoil anything for him.

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OK, so I was just going to ask. I didn't know.
I didn't want to. I don't want to ruin it.
Wait, all the shit we've said onthe show and you're worried
about spoiling Santa Claus? Are you serious?
Are you all the other heinous shit we talk about and that's
the thing that you're hung up on?
I'm not hung up on it, but I think it's, I don't, I'm not,
it's not my position to pull back the curtain on Santa Claus

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on somebody else's child. But you're the same guy who
brought up Jeannie Basson last week doing porn and then you
were wondering why we spent an hour on Babe Pedia.
That's that's when I was hoping he wasn't listening because
that's usually when they drive home.
So your wife goes, hey, let's listen to what your father's
talking about. Yeah, let's see if my your

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father is talking about wrestling, not, you know, some
celebrity porn site. Well, I mean, that's double T
bringing that shit up. That's all him.
Yeah, that's true. I was just, it was I, I didn't
think it would go the way it went.
Hey, Kyle, let me ask you a question. 3 inches flaccid, too
erect. All right, let me ask him the
follow up question. OK.

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What countries are synonymous with bull fighting?
Who? Mexico and Spain.
Very good answer. One of the Wizards who's not
here tonight didn't realize thatthey had bull fighting in Spain.
That's right, he said. They like killed him in one
country and ran from them in theother.

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Like he can only choose one. Handsome Kevin must have had
fucking Mexico on the mind when he was recording with Duke this
past week. Another great episode of Year of
Duke and Rogue came out today. One of the hosts knew what he
was talking about. Will let you decide when you
listen. That's usually true for both his
shows. Yeah.

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Not even here to defend himself.Fuck him.
Well, I mean, Molly's here and if she tells him and he's going
to fucking come on and it's going to be just a.
Disaster. He's not going to be able to
figure out how to do it from mobile.
Take him to the discotheca or something, Molly.
Don't let him near the show. He couldn't get on ESPN.
He can't figure out how to unsubscribe to TNA.
Like, yeah, that's not. He's not getting on.

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To that I mean he doesn't have to scan AQR code to get on here.
Oh, God forbid it'd. Be really funny if we sent Molly
the link and she joined us. Molly just talked.
Wonderful lady. And she just talked shit about
Kevin for 20 minutes. It'd be like when Rhiannon comes
on. Oh.
Fucking A Tony, how are you overthere in in Ginzo land?

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Well, now that my microphone's not muted, I'm doing fantastic.
All right, Are you ready for theholidays?
Yeah, you know what? I finished all my shit today.
I got some last minute things. My son might not be getting one
of his presents in the mail in time because it's coming from
Austria, but that's his problem,not mine.
So there you go. All right.
Good. What's coming from Austria?

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There's this fucking, there's this gigantic meathead in
Austria who develops his own like workout equipment that a
lot of like the main guys like swear by.
So for his birthday he got the chest expander and for Christmas
he was going to get the squeezer.
So instead of pulling out like this, it's an apparatus where
you squeeze. So you work like every, all the

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other muscles. But it's got to come from
Austria. It's got to customs, you know.
Get him a fucking accordion. No, he is Polish a little bit.
And Spanish. They have accordions in Spain
too, you know. Write that down, HK.
Oh my God, Kyle, you ready for the holiday season?

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I guess, Yeah, I think we're there.
Sure, sure. Why not do?
What do you? Do for Christmas.
You assume it's Christmas. It's a little.
A little. Tough in in 2025, could be a
Kwanzaa boy. Could be, and you wouldn't be
wasting a a night of Hanukkah onthe show, would you?

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No, that's not very Jewish. So I would definitely would not
do that. That's good.
Smart. Yeah.
Yeah. But not just staying local, not
running off to Mexico for weird reasons like some other people I
don't know. If it's weird reasons, I think
it's just handsome Kevin reasonswhich are weird to everyone else
but completely normal for him. I mean, if there's got to be
some and why does he keep going there?
What's he running from? I think he secretly wants to be

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Jesse Ventura. No, you.
Know what it is? He's big in Mexico.
He's taller than most people. He.
Goes down there, he's bigger than everybody.
He likes it. He's a dwarf from among midgets.
There we go. It's all making sense.
It's all coming together. Oh.

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Boy, this is going to the next week's show.
The first half an hour is going to be him screaming at us about
all this nonsense. That'll be fine.
Hey, are we doing the death poolnext week?
Yes, next week is our death pooldraft.
Great, because I have to, I haveto start going through my list
and so this way I can win again next year.
Oh whoa, we got 9 days left. Don't fucking don't.

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Don't wait and. Job.
If you had a guess, in the next 9 days in the world of
wrestling, who's dropping dead? Who?
Man who's? Spending holidays with their
family this year. So why do you have to say like
that? Hacksaw's going down for sure, I
think. Jim Duggan, Yeah.
See, I don't know, I just put out a video with his wife.
They're travelling for the holidays, not unlike these.

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With Kevin, it's probably. Going to be like a like a like a
helicopter accident or something, you know what I mean?
Yes, 'cause that's how Hacksaw and Jim Duggan traveled my
helicopter. You don't know him.
He could be different nowadays. You could fit a.
You could fit a 2 by 4 in a helicopter.
We got a little Jack Danny over up there, Double T.

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Yeah, I'm going to have a holiday drink with with my
friends for the podcast. If I would have known I would
have grabbed my shit. Dude.
Now I feel like I got to leave the show and go get a bottle.
What are you drinking at BrundleFly?
Nice cool glass of water. Good for you, Yeah, fucking Wawa

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junior over here opening this fucking Coca-Cola.
Now let me ask you guys this. You got a butter roll over there
too? Or a bag of bugles.
Or fucking. Yeah, got a gobbler on deck.
Oh gobbl Dude, gobblers are fucking amazing.
Is there like a Christmas hoagiefrom Wawa?
Yeah. They put tinsel on a fucking you

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have a fucking mortadella sandwich.
Well, it doesn't. It's not like a gobbler makes
sense either. No, a gobbler makes absolute
sense, but. Yeah, but a bunch of gravy and
fucking mashed potatoes on a on a on a wheat bread.
No, but, but, but gravy. It's got to have the gravy, the
mashed potatoes, the corn, the Turkey.
You got to put a little cranberry on there.
I know you got cosy where you are, but cosy does them right.

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I wish I had one around here. Don't have a cosy?
No, Oh my God, they put them on like toasted flatbread.
They load them shits up when youbite on one side, it squirts out
the other. That's a good fucking sandwich.
Fucking drops are unbelievable. I mean, I was.
What was that? The title potential.
I was listening to last week's episode while I was uploading

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the Ethan Page interview that will be dropping Friday in the
vault on YouTube and there were Brundo dropped a couple couple
ones. I was like, oh, I got to go back
and get. Those for the soundboard.
Good stuff. Do your significant others, do
they feed into the the wrestlingsickness?
Do you get wrestling gifts for Christmas?

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Oh God, that's all I get. I got like Funko Pops back there
that all like my nieces give me and aunts and uncles and all
that, all wrestling and yeah. I usually get books or maybe a
shirt or something like that. I'd rather not because I'm a
little particular with what I like to get when it comes to

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wrestling. So like, Matt knows my wife
bought me the Wrestling Superstore accessory set.
When am I going to fucking play with a fucking table that breaks
or a ladder or a fucking guardrail?
Yeah, but but like, that's the thing.
Like people try 'cause they're like, oh, you're a wrestling fan
now. She did get me a great wrestling
T-shirt last year, so that was aplus.

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Wrestling Superstore. Fucking Sheamus DVDs for
Christmas. Now that's a plus.
Why would you not want to add that to your collection?
I don't. I think I threw it out.
Come on, wait, do you see what? You told your buddy.
There was an add on gift when I when I did my I did my shopping
at WWE shop that Christmas and they had the Shamus DVDs for

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like $0.99 so everybody got a stocking stuffer to go along
with their gift. What's wrong with that?
That's a heartful gift. A heart full.
What do you say we're trying to say?
Hurtful or heartful? No, no, heartful, you know, from
the heart. Oh, like heartfelt.
Oh yeah. Oh, heart.
Yeah, heartful kind of works. I guess I'm just, I've never

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really heard that before. You're full of heart.
It's full of heart. I hope not.
Dropping presents everywhere. PRESENCE.
Wolf. Wolf, you had it.

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Let's start where, where do. You guys.
John Cena retired last week. We.
Already talked about that, Tony.We we're going to move on from
that. No, because Gunther's fucking
telling everybody go cry about it.
It's amazing. Love it.
You they're setting up Gunther and AJ Styles, no?
Seems like it. Maybe.
Yeah, yeah. Career killer Gunther I.

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Hope that man going to murders. Everyone.
I saw, let me ask you guys this.I saw somebody post this on the
interwebs yesterday. Do you think it is a Is it a
miss if Gunther doesn't win the Rumble or the Elimination
Chamber? I think he's above the title.
No. I think the career killer arc

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will do more for him than just winning a title belt.
So do you think he's going to bethe one eventually to retire AJ
and and or Brock Lesnar next year?
Yeah. So then I yeah.
So then I can agree that this isnot 2026 is not going to be his
year for a championship. I think they stretched that out

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into 2027 where he's done all that he's had that he needed to
do to get to that point. And then his last, his last act
of defiance is, you know, like I'm your uncrowned champion.
I've been retiring all these stalwarts.
I'm coming for the championship and I don't care who has it.
There you go. I think so.
I I concur. That's not a bad, that's not a

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bad arc. I mean, they stretched out, they
stretched out Cody Rhodes and people bitched about it the
first year, but then all was right with the world.
So I could completely see them doing that with Gunther.
Yeah, because, I mean, look, youcan win all the titles in the
world, but like, if you don't have anything to like, sink your
teeth, like Damien Priest, he was world champion.
What that do for him? Je USO same thing.

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Je USO and I think like you said, he can just spend this
whole year like AJ, Brock, Ortonmaybe and then next year, like
you said, hop right into that title because I think next year
is going to be like Brown Breaker Punk, Seth, like I think
that's going to be the scene. So there's no rush in my opinion
with Big Goon. What do you call him?
I'm sorry, what do you call? Him big goon.

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Big goon. He goons a lot like me, rubbing
my skin off my Wiener. Me and.
Him. Oh, you think he's a guy?
Is he a gooner? Really.
That's what I hear. That's what the Internet says.
Really, man, he just got marriedlast year too, didn't he?
Jenny, Yeah. I really don't.
Want her married? Fucking Brundo on a first name
basis over here with Gunther. Do I really want to put gooner

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in my Google search? No.
Oh, yeah, go ahead. You know what?
You. You.
Deserve it. What, are you going to not do
the research for the show? Absolutely.
Click every single link you got on there from that.
Yeah, and it also has nothing todo with Arsenal, by the way, so
just fucking ignore that. I don't know why that's
associated. With this, it is a devoted fan

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of the Arsenal Football Club. No, no, go to the secondary.
Gooners. That's what they're called.
Someone who is deeply engrossed in pornography or excessive
masturbation, often in self deprecating or exaggerating way
stemming from gooning OK Gooner.Hey Goon, put the strap on them.

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No strap. ONS.
No strap, strap on, strap off. No, no, I'm saying folks.
Also like I watched some Netflixshow and they wrote nunce all
over this dude's truck and I hadto Google what a nunce was in
the UK. It's like a kid toucher.
A Nunce. Yeah, I see, I see.

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Is it nunce or nuns? I don't know but.
Nuns are like what? They travel in the ocean, right?
You travel like a. 7. Nuns, Nuns O.
NCA or no? Nunce.
And OS, yeah, that's like AI didn't know that's what that
meant, but I know that's like a sweater over there.
Yeah. Yeah, UK meeting.

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You fucking nuns. Yeah.
It's like a, like a like a slag.Fucking happy birthday, Al.
Happy birthday Al. Nuns Happy birthday Al really.
We're going to summon the fucking Zoom Hoff already.
That why not? You don't have to sweet.
You didn't have to pull up the comment.

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I didn't. Who did?
That was me. Yeah seriously, why did I get
blamed for everything bro? 'Cause you're like, I'm like
what? You're like the biggest Zoom
Hoff like. What fan?
Yes, he's my hero. I would.
Walk that back, buddy. Well, I'm I, but Kevin's the

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only guy that can like people from Minnesota.
No, you can. There's first of all, there's a
lot of other people from Minnesota you can like.
Definitely not putting the word hero and buck zoom off in the
same sentence is a good idea. You don't think somebody growing
up was a fan of the Zoom off? Yeah, but how are you still a
fan after? OK, so.
There's. People, plenty, plenty of people

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that weren't grown-ups are no longer fans of the Zoom Wolf.
Yeah, but like, all right, let's, let's take the Hulkster
for example. Like the Hulkster said some
things that a lot of people didn't like.
So they were fans of the Hulkster when they when they
were kids, but maybe not so muchnow.
Maybe you know a couple of kids running around in Minnesota who
were fans of Rock'n'roll. Yeah, but Hulkster didn't touch
those kids. Exactly, Hulkster said a couple

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of words. Like column B?
Am I wrong, Kyle? I don't know his first time.
Landing him in a, you know, pedojail.
Yes, Yeah. What's worse?
What's worse, everybody N word or pedophile?
Go Brendo. You're first.
Oh, pedophile. What do you what do you prefer?
It probably is the answer. Column A Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. Or is it like a double negative
as a positive kind of thing? I don't think if you do both
it's good. Two wrongs make a right.
Is that what they say? Two Wongs make a white.
Wow, wow, sing it because he's like Filipino.
No, I'm, I'm wowing Al. Yeah, a couple kids from

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Minnesota and they host the yearof pod.
Holy shit. Wow.
You know I could. See Duke being an adorable kid
with that long hair. Oh my God, he was definitely
molestable when he. Was a child.
Oh man. Wrapping his hair around his
hand. Nice big tussle, I bet you got

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the same. Voice too, back then.
Well, tussle. I could see somebody trying to
give him one of them lollipops with like the rainbow swirl on
it. Like one of them real big ones.
Sure. What are?
Those real. Yeah, of course they're real.
Hey, why are you fucking covering your mouth like you're
like, we're having a mound visitduring the middle of a baseball
game? Yeah, they're real.

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Slider inside. Did you guys, you guys know who
Jim Florentine is, right? The Comedian.
Yeah, do you? Remember, he used to tell
stories that, like, he had a neighbor, an older guy who had
like, autographed pictures of all these wrestlers that he
liked when he was a kid. And like, the guy would give him
pictures, but then the guy wouldalso molest them.
And he didn't tell anybody because he really liked getting
the pictures from the guy. It's called bartering.

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Ever heard of it? And somebody wanted to tell on
him, he's like, no, don't, because I really like these
pictures. I bet you this guy's just signed
fucking 8 by 10s in his house too.
Or he's at the airport. Holy shit all.

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Right, so Gunther's next move, we think it's going to be AJ
Styles, right? Let me, I got to ask you guys
because I have such a fucking problem with the way the WWE
does stuff. Why is Austin Theory unmasking
himself? What do you want him to do?
Lose a match? Look like lose a mask.
Why can't he? Why can't Punk get so close to

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grabbing him that the only thinghe can grab is his mask and he
rips it off by Austin Theory's pulling away?
'Cause Adam Pierce said he had to unmask and you know,
obviously he's in charge. I'm not saying it's a good
reason, it's just so. Fucked.
Tom. Yeah.
Why? Why did he need the mask in the
first place? He works there.

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He. Just show up.
Yeah, but it was also like, he did the Curb Stomp.
So I was like, oh, is it, Is it Seth?
Is he back already? Is he sticking at the punk you
know? What does what does Siri get out
of that? He's in the vision now.
Yeah, he gets one. Over on Fucking on CM Punk.
Maybe a lot of like, maybe it'llbe like Americano.

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There'll be another mask man will be Jericho next week on
masking. Or like the Black Scorpion, just
throw whoever under the mask. Yeah, Ollie Anderson speaking
for them, for them grief. Yeah, there could be more masked
men. I mean, the God the week before
was definitely not Austin theory.
So we saw those eyes. There's not him, Scorpion.

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It up. Remember when everybody thought
it was Jericho? Did everybody think it was
Jericho though? That.
Would have been phenomenal. Yeah, except he doesn't climb a
fence so fast. He'll be back at the Rumble.
You think? Yeah, he's his.
Contract's up at the end of the year.
You think he wins? No.
No, you. Think he comes in like like real

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early, gets a couple of eliminations from those deals.
He'll probably come in late as abig like a #30 surprise.
No, I think they'll bring him inearly to fucking get the crowd
riled up. You think the song will be?
Riled up. Yeah, Saudi crowd, they'll be
riled up. It's.

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Bringing in 2:00 start. Fuck.
Yes. Yes, loving that.
I'm going to love watching a Royal Rumble without having to
make picks. I'm only two behind Tony.
You know we got Tony. My #2's behind me too.
You know, we got a pay-per-view Sunday or Saturday, World's End
NA AW. Oh great.

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AW, another fucking madthon. Catch up on.
Don't hate. And then did you?
They. I know.
I think Raw and Smackdown they taped already, or Raw's taped,
Yeah. Raw and Smackdown are both
taped. AW WS all taped.
Who said it? They were.
They were taping Smackdown for this week during last week's

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like airing. Like what?
What kind of shit is that? So they could, so they don't
have to be out on the road the day after Christmas.
No, but it's weird like you so you taped like so did they miss
a week somewhere? Did they just tape 2 weeks at
once? Like what did they?
Do no no, they taped Smackdown during Raw last Monday.
Oh God they did. I guess the other taping I think

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this weekend sometime. Yeah, I think Smack and then I
think Smackdown. They taped Raw.
So they're they're making fans pulling AW and sit through six
hours of wrestling. Pretty much.
About six hours if they just do the, I mean, the backstage stuff
can be, can be recorded. I mean, if you go and you look
at RAW, there's probably like 40minutes of wrestling.

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Yeah, but they probably, they probably splice all that shit in
so the crowd's not lost, right? Like, they wouldn't, they
wouldn't just take 40 minutes ofwrestling, you know?
I don't know. I don't know.
The only TV tape I've been the two TV tapings ever that impact
taping at the at the above, the Hammerstein Ballroom, the
Manhattan Center, and then that MLW show I went to which was way

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worse than anything. I mean, no, that's not true.
It's not worse than fucking AW Grand Slam at the fucking Arthur
Ashe place. Oh my God, you were like 3
sheets to the wind in the parking lot weren't you?
No. I thought you were hammered for
that show. See here.
Don't. This is how we get fucking me
Singing is. That where you took your shirt
off or was that a baseball? Game and then you shit your

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pants and wash them in the portapotty I remember.
Fuck. Yeah, I took my shirt off at the
baseball game. Yes, that was before Where of
Honor and. The Jenner, That's the world.
Yeah, that was the ice cream. Yeah.
There's no ice, you motherfuckers, you motherfucker.
No, just oh, stop. I didn't do it.

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Bob Buchanan will be here at 7:55.
So we taking a commercial at 8:00.
Come on, man, it's Bob Buchanan.You're not excited for Bob
Buchanan? Who said I wasn't excited for
Bob Buchanan? We're looking to take a break 5
minutes after the poor guy showsup.
No, because we normally take a break around 8:00.

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That's why I'm asking. Do you need to take a break?
No, not right now. Kill you when that stupid duck
Where do you guys? How are you feeling about the
vision? Like where are you guys with
this thing? Like he unmasks, he distracts

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Punk brown bake breaker hits this crazy spear.
I'm just, I don't know, like Austin Theory.
I know HK is not here to defend himself and I know he's super
excited for Austin Theory. It doesn't.
I don't know. I'm not.
I mean the picture from Monday night or Friday night, whatever.
He just looks like a fucking shield cosplay wrestler now with

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his new gear or he looks like hepissed his pants.
Yes. 100% that, and I've never given.
I don't think I've ever given a shit about Austin Theory.
Maybe in NXT when he was part ofJohnny Gargano's group and he
was a goofball, but they've beentrying to make him for how many
years and it's never worked? Can we can we let it simmer?

(28:50):
Can we? Can we let it simmer?
Can we do that? Nah.
Little bit, little bit. See where it goes?
I don't know. He looks mean.
He looks ornery. He looks like he's ready to
throw. It he looks like he looks
fucking Daniel Garcia. No, God, fucking bite your
tongue A. 100% does, my friend, said Danny.
Garcia with 30 lbs more muscle and actual fucking gear.

(29:11):
Oh, here we go, Tony. For Monday you anchor.
Garcia. Not for anything, but if you
hear Daniel Garcia you would expect him to look a little more
like a luchador and not just some fucking schlub and biker
shorts. So if you threw a mask on him,
you'd be you'd be all for it. No, because he'd have to be El
Garcia or something like that, Danielle.

(29:32):
Because then he. Yeah, because then he would be a
fucking luchador. Yeah.
Miguel Garcia. Miguel is even better.
Daniel Garcia makes no sense. Miguel Garcia Now you got some
legs. Daniel, you can go.
Daniel Garcia has a Mexican name.
No, you can't. They're not allowed.
Daniel's a Hebrew name. It's fucking pro wrestling.

(29:55):
Is that his real name? It probably is, right?
It's. Probably not.
It's probably Manuel Danielle Garcia Rodriguez.
He's got four names. Most of them do, believe me.
It is. It is.
What's wrong with you? He is American though.
Mexican American away. Buffalo dickhead.

(30:18):
He's a Buffalo dickhead. No, he's from Buffalo, you
dickhead. What does that?
Mean he's a Buffalo Dick head. I didn't say that, you shithead.
Sound like you did. Our guy, true Prince of pros,
says the same thing. Austin Theory.
He's one of the most bland wrestlers ever and I don't
understand why they keep trying to make him a.

(30:39):
Star Yeah, he's just going to bethe fall guy of the vision.
He's a star. Remember when Vince McMahon gave
him that $1,000,000 egg? Oh.
Man, he was off to the moon. Fuck.
Yeah, he was. I don't think I've thought about
that since he did it. Golden.
Egg. You think Vince got that idea
because he took a shit on a table and it looked shiny and he
was like, look, I ate a golden egg.

(31:00):
Hey, Austin, get in here. No, not you, you bald prick.
Harry. What?
You took a shit? What?
It's on the table. What?
Looks like an egg? What?
Beat Deborah Crap it to the kid.What?

(31:21):
Christ. You really make me work.
With an egg. Fucking awesome.
Oh man, you couldn't pay me to give a shit about Daniel Garcia.
Or what's this Austin theory? Austin theory.
I'll say fairy. Would I, I, I would like for

(31:42):
them to try him as a babyface. I feel like there's potential
there because he has like a fun,like he could do fun moves and
he can get the crowd into it. And like when he was goofy, like
Brenda was saying, like that's when he was like, you know,
that's when I think he would have the most momentum.
But now he's just bald guy with pants.
That's it. He's fucking cosplay shield guy,

(32:04):
stupid. And you're right, Kyle, he's
going to be the fucking full guy.
He's going to be the guy that gets pinned.
They should change his name to Momentum.
And then everything he does, oh,I got a little momentum behind
me tonight. It comes up with somebody like

(32:25):
they could be like, you know, like, like the, the, the motions
or something like that. And he's like, Hey, momentum is
behind you, my friend. These are all great ideas.
Yeah, no, I love it. I love it.
It's just like and then like on the flip side, like Drew
Mcintyre's once again, like in the main event scene, like he's

(32:46):
like Teflon Don, right? Like he can keep losing and it
never really effects him. But I think at this point, like
he has to win the title at this clash in Berlin or whatever the
fuck they're calling it the the Smack Down show that's in
Berlin. I hope he does.
Sure, why not? They put some step on the match,

(33:07):
didn't they? Is it a Berlin brawl?
No, somewhere like Cody can't touch him or he loses.
Anarchy and Auschwitz. Jesus.
Come. On now.
Epiotica. No.
What are we doing? Quack.

(33:34):
What's the reset? Where's?
The fucking. Thing.
The last thing I saw was that Cody kicked his ass and at his
home. Let's say, yeah, that was the
thing last week, right? Cody Drew's match stipulation.
I mean, if he's not going to winthe title, what's the point of
them continuing to feud Scott Stein or maybe he can get

(33:57):
himself involved. Tony, how?
Am I doing? It might be the fire truck by my
house. Hey, hands on, Kyle.
You want some local news? No Will.
You stop. The the town next door to me
someone was murdered by getting shot from an arrow.

(34:21):
The the the murder implement wasa fucking crossbow and arrow.
That rules. Jeez.
Yeah, and it was a fucking 6 hour standoff with the SWAT team
and everything. And it was not Newark, in case
you were wondering. I wasn't it.
Was Carney New Jersey Sprite. The reason I don't have the

(34:44):
stipulation in the notes is because this is yet you.
Put it there. Something that was shit.
No eat balls. Oh, sorry, no, that's for the
other guy that's not here. So that didn't air yet You're
spoiling things. I didn't tell you what the step
was. I stopped myself.
Don't. Look it up, I don't give a shit.

(35:05):
Don't look it up, don't spoil. It flash in Berlin.
Yeah, we don't care about spoilers anymore.
Yeah. People and people that are
listening to us, they're they'reobviously not tuning into raw.
So oh God, oh God, is that it? Yes.
No, wait a minute. They're, they're, they're
running this back again. Wait, it's bash in Berlin.
It's not bash in Berlin. It's called BAT.
It's not the pay-per-view. It's called Bash in Berlin.

(35:27):
I think it's a it's January 9th,I think.
I think it's a Smackdown. Can we pick that?
No. Smackdown, Rondo, I know you're
trying to make up picks. Here exactly you want to do them
next year, got to mix up with some ground.
Spoiler on massive gimmick matchbooked for January 9th WWE

(35:47):
Smackdown in Berlin, Germany. Oh God, why are they making this
so hard to find? Because they don't want you to
find it. Oh, you know what?
You know, we haven't done that kind of match in a long time.
I'm actually digging that. Inferno match.
No. Probably older.
Really older. How long has it been since we

(36:10):
had one of those? Married to live.
Triple H and Austin, right? Oh, OK.
Bro that's like that's over 20 years.
Ago, no MVP and Kane had one in 2006.
Really. Would that be HKHKHJK?
That's about time. Sorry, Mr. J, it's hard to read.

(36:32):
I'm getting, Yeah. He's called me job.
Oh so MVP and Kane had an inferno match in 2006?
No, it's not an Inferno match. I know it's not an inferno.
Match, I'm telling them because that's what Kyle was thinking.
Triple H and Shawn Michaels had one at Armageddon, 2002.
Oh. So it's been damn near 20.

(36:52):
Oh, OK, It was not an Inferno match.
Yeah, that was a rough one. Yeah, but the what the first
Inferno match was at was even. That was even before Austin and
Triple H. Yeah, it was 1997.
It's not an Inferno match. Is it a Ring of Fire match like

(37:16):
Bray Wyatt and Kane had that onetime?
That's right. I want them.
I want them to bring back the Bray Wyatt.
They had bad news for you. Oh.
Where they had the fucking bugs on the canvas.
That's what Tony wants. Fucking bugs.
Who who wrestled Bray Wyatt in the house?
Was that Braun Strowman? No, that was Randy Orton.
Randy Orton. Randy Orton was in the house

(37:37):
too, and they set the house on fire.
Yeah, Randy, Orton's the one that set the house on fire.
My Randy said the Yo, Randy, I'mgonna set your house on fire.
Don't. The first Inferno match took
place two years. Before why are we talking about
Inferno? Matches.
Who's What's everybody's favorite Inferno match?
All of them are tied. Probably, actually, yeah, I

(38:00):
think they're all the same, justdifferent guys.
I like the one that Onita was involved in in Japan where they
fucking almost set the entire fucking ring on fire.
All with the Sheik and and Sabu.Fuck yeah.
Also, like if we're I'm going togo back to the beginning of the
show, the Christmas conversation, is it OK to tell

(38:23):
people that Kane and the Undertaker aren't really
brothers? Why would you do that?
Well, 'cause they're not. No, they're right enough.
I've read the books. They are, yeah.
Well, Paul Bearers. Yeah, that's right, half
brothers. When he fucking dude, the
interview with Paul Bearer and fucking Jerry Lawler when

(38:44):
they're talking about so you slipped in a salami.
Oh yes, fucking. Great shit.
Oh boy. Did you guys ever read that book
too by the way? The cane book.
The Cane origin book. No.
It's wonderful. Was there a chapter on May 19th?
May 19th. That was before May 19th.

(39:08):
He does make an appearance though.
Oh, punting babies. Yeah, wasn't his fault.
You think you think Glenn Jacobswas punting babies instead of
kissing him when he was running for mayor?
Could be. No.
It's confused. Got elected, I do.

(39:29):
What you got to do? That would be counterproductive.
That would be awesome. Establish his authority.
And we must respect it. Yep.
No, I don't respect Kane. I never really liked Kane.
Oh, knock it off. Yes, you did.
No, I really didn't. You didn't.

(39:49):
You weren't saying it's got. It's got to be Kane.
No, not really. Really.
Yeah, Kane not even like original Kane.
Full body, full mask. Kane didn't like him.
No, I hate it when he beat Austin for the fucking title in
the first blood match. How about blue cane?
I'm I'm not, I've been, I've seen the clips, but I don't.

(40:10):
I've never really watched. Game.
I'm a big fan of JC WS cocaine. I was going to say cocaine.
Yeah, although I didn't get to see this week's show yet because
my Internet was out Friday, so. Was this week's show when Violin
J was looking for somebody to represent him, to try to get his
his watch McCall it back his slice of the pie I.

(40:31):
Don't know, 'cause I just said Ididn't watch the show so my
fucking Internet. I'm trying to see which episode
you're up to if I watched the most recent one, so the last.
Episode I watched had the Kerry Morton James storm coal miner's
glove on a pole match. No, no.
Then then the island. Jay beating up or him and Big
Veto fighting in the back. No, no.

(40:52):
Then then yeah, The one that I watched is the one that you
haven't seen yet yet. Boy this show really screams
Russo. Oh my God, you don't even know
the half of it. I like it.
I'm sorry, I don't. Feel I would I got I do have to
check this out. Vito's like in his 60s now.
That old. That's what I thought somebody

(41:12):
had said. Very possible.
It's like dress Vito. Yeah.
Somebody described there's two commentators, one's a really big
fat guy. They Marky D keeps calling him
Blue Meanie but then the other guy he said it looks like Jr.
shit out his conjoined twin. It's not very kind.

(41:36):
Big. But it was a fucking killer
description of the guy. No, no, no bullshitting.
Not Joe Joe, Joe Drombowski. Drombowski.
The other guy, Amato. Sure.
I don't know, it's 22 fucking Italians.
Zach Amato, Big Veto, 61. Yeah.
He looks great. Former ECW legend Skull von

(41:59):
Crush. Does it, does it bother you so
much that Vince Russo's missing that tooth?
Like I can't help but notice it every time he's in the ring
talking. Nah, I didn't even know he's
missing a tooth. Oh yeah, it's like a big fucking
gap or like right here, huh? Now you're going to see it and
you're not going to Unsee it. It's going to distract you bro.

(42:22):
Bro, bro. All right, so we don't we.
What? How soon until we get a Fago on
a pole match? Or do you think Russo doesn't
know what Fago is? Who doesn't know what Fago is?
Probably Russo. They're going to call.
What did Big Vito say they were going to call it?

(42:43):
They go juice. See, that's racist.
What's wrong with him? No, up the well, that's, I mean,
come on, racist. Are we passed that in 2025?
He wants to, he wants to represent his people.
So he's going to call, he's going to call something a racial
slur. Good for him, dude.

(43:03):
We're making progress, Kyle. Wait, what was the slur?
Faygo Juice. No.
Dago Oh, is that a slur? Really.
I've been calling everybody that.
Bad news. Joke's on you.
I guess so. Mick Foley, he's quit the WWE.

(43:27):
Sure has. Oh, no, walk it back.
He's he's not renewing his contract in June, so he really
hasn't quit. Let's be clear on that.
For the rest of the administration, yeah, he quit.
He. Took his ball and went home.
For a few years, yeah. Yeah.
Then he'll be back. Good for him.

(43:48):
Yeah, sticking to his guns. That's it.
Not because of, you know, it's alot.
We we've dealt with a lot of wrestlers in the past and a lot
of them are pretty fickle, fickle.
So it's nice, you know, hopefully he sticks to his guns
and he he stands up for what he believes in and he believes in
and he doesn't want to take thatTKOWWE money.

(44:09):
Good for you buddy. Yes, I guess five years of Saudi
money was enough. We.
Got another 5 on the table that's why.
He really sat through a lot. Yep, he suffered.
Did he go to Saudi at all? I don't think so.
Right. I don't think so.
Who do you think? Like they've been bankrolling
the WWE for what, close to 10 years?
No, no, I know. But I was thinking like the only

(44:30):
real big names have been like Taker Fletcher, excuse me,
Taker, Shawn Michaels, Triple, HI guess Kane, right?
He was involved in that. Yeah.
I don't even put, I don't even put Kane in that category.
Is Kane a Hall of Famer? Unfortunately.
OK, so then, like, it is what itis.

(44:50):
Yeah, but not that he's going tobe a Hall of Famer someday.
Who? Austin Theory.
Excuse me? 16 time world champion Austin
Theory. Walking out of your balls.
Eat balls. Thanks.
Eat. Yeah, eat balls.
Did you guys watch NXC? Did you see the the refs thing?

(45:12):
No, I didn't see that, but I've heard all about it this.
Week. I saw the clip.
Yeah. Hey, you don't kick out tough
titties. Right how it should be.
Although it really was kind of weird that the crowd, like when
they fucking don't ring the bell, when the referee calls for
the bell, it's like, come on, come on, I.

(45:33):
And I think this goes back to something I was, I was
discussing with you guys a couple weeks ago.
Like it's all like there's too much of like this is the script
and this is what we have to do that when it there's a fuck up,
nobody knows how to react. Yeah, because they all practice

(45:54):
and there's no practice. They don't.
Train anymore? They practice.
But like, yeah. In this instance, like if the
rest going to count 3, you got to ring a fucking bell, yeah.
The referee stood up, called forthe bell and and the crowd just
went silent because the bell didn't fucking ring.

(46:15):
Got one job? Yeah.
It involves hands. Fuck yes.
Yeah. You know what else I could do
without? What?
Can we stop with the forward rolls?
Can we fucking stop with the forward rolls?
You want to run across the You want to run across the ring to
get momentum? You fucking roll toward the

(46:35):
other corner. You fucking miss a dive off the
top. Instead of just fucking eating
shit, you got to do a fucking roll.
Can we stop with the fucking rolls?
Can we stop training the rolls? There's no purpose for fucking
rolling. That's Grayson Waller's
finisher. He Ford rolls into a finisher.
It's a misdirection. You got to confuse your opponent
and catch him off guard. Confusing.

(46:56):
No, there's no confusing. They're pretty stupid.
You know what happens when people jump off the top and
nobody's there? You fucking crash and you sell
it. You eat shit.
You're preparing to fucking not hit the guy when you roll.
It's called quick reflexes. They see them moving.
Oh, I gotta just. When people used to dive off the

(47:16):
top and miss their moves, there was a chance for the fucking
babyface to get his heat back tofucking start hulking up.
What is this Roly Poly shit? Knock it off.
People are evolving. Athletes are evolving.
No, they're. Evolving into roll that's
devolving into insect living. What?
They're becoming bugs. Roly polys.

(47:37):
Let's just roll everywhere. You were just asking for bugs do
you? What are you pro bugs or anti
bugs? I am anti bugs when it comes to
my wrestling ring. Get them the fuck out.
Kyle, you are a little younger than us.
So where are you? And I know you go back if you
are not familiar, you should be by this point, but the Abram

(47:58):
Bump podcast is a fantastic vehicle where Kyle takes journey
through the 90s. He watches every promotion in
chronological order, and he usually has a special guest that
joins him from another podcast as a as a younger man who grew
up on a, you know, John, I'm sure John Cena was your guy.

(48:18):
No, I'm not that young. I'm I'm attitude Eric it stone
cold rock Hardy boys. Those are those are my guys.
So OK, but you the stuff you were watching the, the the the
stuff you're doing in the apron bump, you haven't seen a lot of
that like 95 ECW and WWF and stuff like that.
Correct. Yes.

(48:39):
OK. So that kind of derails my
question. Where are you, though, with all
this with, with, with today's wrestling versus, you know, the
stuff in the 90s? I mean the stuff from the 90s,
it's very striking how like how much stronger the characters
are. Like watching like Sid get in
there and do nothing but the crowd is so into him, like him.

(48:59):
And there was a match where it was like him and Owen Hart and
they're just like staring each other down for like 3 minutes,
like teasing the the test of strength.
The crowd is getting into it. And then he like bought just a
scoop slam. Everybody erupts.
So it's like the less is more iswhat stands out to me when
watching the older stuff. And I feel like, yes, current

(49:19):
wrestling could take a a page out of that for sure.
So a lot of the other like, likethe rolling.
Yeah, of course. Like, dude, the Kelani Jordan
thing where she like does like the Rolling Thunder, but instead
of like flipping forward, she like stops and does a shooting
star press. It's like you're just going in
the opposite direction of the. So there's a ton of moves like
that which I agree is dumb. It's flash for the sake of

(49:42):
flash. So yeah.
It's wild too, 'cause there's somuch like rolling, no, there's
so much like footage available now where you can go and just
see like how to be a good heel, how to be a fucking great
babyface. Less is more.

(50:02):
Like I love Will Osprey, but he goes out and he has a match and
he uses every single move in hisin his repertoire and then none
of it makes sense that nobody's finisher matters anymore.
It's very frustrating to watch, especially because I've been

(50:22):
going back and watching a lot ofstuff from like the 90s and the
80s. Like it would just mean more if
someone hit a finisher and they won.
Like what is Cody's finisher? The crossroads, the Cody cutter,
It doesn't matter. He does it twice to every single
opponent. Yeah, he has to do it three
times to finish people just likeRoman Reigns had to do the
Superman punch like fucking 345 times.

(50:44):
That's not even his finisher, the fucking spear.
And there's like 16 people on the roster doing the spear right
now. Yep.
Who's the broad? Who?
Who's the broad that runs up theropes and does the fucking
flippy stunner thing? Soul Ruka.
Yeah, that, that's another if that could fucking go away,
though. Never.
There are times where it looks OK, like her and Bailey, like

(51:04):
Bailey kind of like kicked out of a roll up and then kind of
fell into it. It felt natural.
But there are times where, yes, it feels very contrived.
Cause Bailey's of that. Yeah, of course.
And we talked about it last weeklike that.
Her the soul snatcher is what she calls it.
It's. Cool.
It's a cool. Finisher I don't like it because
I feel like it does more more damage to her or the equal

(51:25):
amount of damage as it does the opponent.
It's cool, but then like she does like the thing on the rope
where she like does a handstand on the rope.
Like she does all these crazy gymnastic moves in one match and
it's like, I just keep it all away.
I know, but you you should. They mean nothing.
They mean nothing in turn in thestoryline of the match.

(51:45):
Nothing whatsoever. All right, besides the one wing
Angel which never gets kicked out of.
Cody. Is there another finish or that
if they somebody hits it, you'relike that's it?
RKO 100% I don't. Think there is.
Yeah, RKO is a good call. I've seen that kicked out of.

(52:06):
Not, not often. Bronze Spear.
I don't think so. Maybe in the next, maybe early
days, but End of Days was a really protected one for a
while. Oh yeah, like they have the they
have an opportunity, right? Because if if finishes matter

(52:30):
and then someone does kick out of the finisher, it'll mean so
much more. 3D that that was protected for decades.
Yeah, they who they they let themotor, the Motor City machine
guns kick out of it. Yeah.
And that was to put those guys over.
And then they broke up like the next.
Week. That was like a story that fed

(52:51):
into a story. Yeah.
It was for a reason, yeah. Sorry, I didn't mean to go on
like a get off my lawn tangent. No, fuck that.
Sometimes you need shit to get off your lawn.
I get it. But it's, you know, there's just
there's there's no doubt that this day and age, the
professional wrestlers are way more athletic, right?

(53:13):
Yeah. Yeah, but but sometimes it's
it's too much for their own good.
Like, keep it in your pocket fora while, break it out when you
need to break it out. You don't need to break it out
on a fucking Wednesday night Dynamite every week.
You don't. Make it.
Special, you know, you know, to get back to Kyle's point
earlier, plenty of matches, Randy Orton, he'll take a

(53:34):
fucking headlock, take a guy down.
The crowd starts booing. You know what he does?
He fucking sits there and just lets them Boo and Boo and Boo.
And he's like, I'll fucking waitfor you.
You ain't telling me what to do.I fucking tell you what I'm
doing. And he just waits for the crowd
to cry, to quiet down. Then he fucking takes the guy
up. And then they go to their spots.

(53:55):
It's being in control. It means so much more.
You all make fun of Bruno with the fucking 3 minute bear hugs
and shit like that. But that shit made sense.
Trying to figure a way out, try to get an escape, try to get to
the ropes. That's wrestling.
That's wrestling. Forward Rolls ain't wrestling a.
More modern version CM Punk's Mojo from O four.

(54:18):
It was like 40 minutes of headlocks, but it was like the
most captivating ship cause likeBruno, like it was like trying
Joe is trying to find his way out of it.
And it was like building tensionthroughout the match.
Like it was like a entertaining watch.
Like there's a way to do these things to make it entertaining.
Like like the match we watched acouple of months ago was the
Briscoes against against Steen and what's his name?

(54:39):
El Generico, the ladder match, like there were big spots in
that match, but there was so much more that they were just
working the four of them, like against each other.
Like it when the big shit happened, it made sense, it fit
the story. The big of the shit.
You know what's weird? I'm reading that.
That is. Weird of the shit.
Wow. Big of the shit I'm reading that

(55:00):
Gorilla Monsoon book. Yeah, the fucking Gorilla
Monsoon Muhammad Ali match took place on like a fucking random
Tuesday night in Philadelphia. Yeah, that fucking blows my
mind. Because Gorilla didn't even want
to do it right. No, he did not want to do it.
Yeah. But it's like.
Even in the interview after he fucking put him up in the

(55:22):
airplane spin, he was like, he'sgot no business being in this
ring with me. Fucking completely shit all over
fucking Muhammad Ali had no desire to do it.
You want to protect the businessof.
Course, I mean, maybe Philly wasa Tuesday town or something like
that because, you know, back in the territory town days they
had, they ran the same town every every day.

(55:45):
Yeah, every day of the week the same, like the same time.
Oh. It just seemed like.
Possible. I guess I'm so programmed into
like the big the big matches taking place on the weekend, you
know, to read that Muhammad Ali and and Gorilla Monsoon when
they went toe to toe was at ATV taping on a Tuesday night in in

(56:08):
Pittsburgh or Pittsburgh, Philadelphia.
Jeez Louise, our guest is here. So let's bring him in gonna I'm
gonna do that and then. Yeah, we're gonna do this.
We'll get the the the gimmick off.
I'm going, I'm doing, I'm doing all right there, right?
There we go. Nailing it.

(56:30):
Yeah, you got it. Are you trying to?
Censor him. Am I doing it or you doing it,
Tony? I'm figuring it out.
Hold. On.
Oh OK, I thought I was doing it.I don't want to mash a bunch of
buttons. No, there we go.
We're good. Oh, there we go.
That's what we wanted. What's?
Almost. Yeah.
All right. I'm not bringing, bring them in.

(56:51):
You making me bring them in? You I don't want to hit mash the
buttons. Stop mashing buttons, I didn't
touch anything. I'm not a part of this show.
You cannon, how are you? I'm great.
How are you guys? Great.
Thank you for taking time duringthis busy holiday season to jump
on the podcast and. Talk.

(57:11):
Yeah. I've had to retreat to my
basement office. Family starting to come in for
the holidays. So I'm in Clark Griswold mode.
I'm down here hiding. You have 10,000 lights up on the
front of the house yet? Oh yeah, yeah, there yeah.
I that that they, I get my family calls me Clark Griswold
every year. I'm, I'm, I'm Yeah.

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Where? Where do you rank?
Where do you rank Christmas Vacation among the holiday
movies? It's got to be up in top five at
least. Right, it's top, it's top 2
Christmas vacation and probably Christmas story.
Good call. Followed closely by ELF.
Yeah. But all right to you Die Hard

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Christmas movie or not Christmasmovie?
Christmas movie, yes. Really.
Yes. Wow, How about the Gremlins
Christmas movie or? I don't feel very Christmassy
when I watch the gremlins. It's scary, that's why.
Yeah. Now, Ball, I know you said your
family's coming in. Do you have a cousin Eddie in

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your family? You know what scares me the most
is I might be Cousin Eddie in the family.
I'm not sure. But if I'm not, yeah, we've got
quite a few of them. Yeah.
I'm always, I'm always afraid, and nobody ever says it, but I'm
always afraid that I might be Cousin Eddie.

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So. I don't think there's anything.
Cousin Eddie is a good time. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, a
Christmas vacation, man, as I don't know.
There's we put it on sometimes, just let, let it play all
through the holidays. I think one year there me and my

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wife were still watching it way into February.
Well, they they, some of the channels just air it non-stop on
top of everything too. Yeah, that Christmas Story,
that's almost a tradition aroundhere is to watch Christmas Story
for 24 hours. And you know, if you if you look
at Cousin Eddie as a character, like he's not the brightest guy
in the family, but he like, he'sgot a heart of gold, like what

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he does for Clark when he knows that Clark's annoyed at his
boss. They didn't get his bonus to
build the pool. What did he do?
He went out and kidnapped his boss.
Yeah, yeah, I we've definitely got some 80s in the family.
People out there cooking chickenon rocks in Vegas, Yeah.

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Bolt, thank you again for joining us during the holiday
season. You got a lot going up.
Everybody knows you from the Truth Commission and Right to
Censor in the USWA and All Japanand NOAA.
You're trans. You're you're, you're, you're
changing the gears now. You're going into this, this
bullpen professional wrestling where this seems like a rebirth

(59:56):
and you're heavily involved. So tell us a little bit about
bullpen. Yeah, in June of 2024, we
started we, we started running here in my hometown, the right
out of the gate did great, did over 400 people first show.
And I've kind of, I've used my connections and I've used, I

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used my friends, but I've used my friends to, to help with
that. We brought, we brought Ron
Simmons in, I believe was the first we brought Ron Simmons in,
went up close to 600. Then we brought Devon Dudley and
got close to 700, brought Godfather in, brought I think
between 5 and 600. So I've brought a lot of my

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friends in, let them, you know, let the fans around here, cause
a lot of these guys, they're, they're, they're not generally
in this area out here in West Georgia.
So, you know, it gives the fans out here a chance to see some
folks that they may not normallyget to see unless they went to a
convention or something like that.
But we started it up. It's, it's been going great.

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I tell everybody. But I mean, I think it's
something be pretty proud of. I don't toot my own horn very
much, but through our first year, we started in June, we
were running once a month and weadded another town there toward
the end of the year. But through our first year our
average attendance was 420 people.
I haven't I haven't sat down andbecause we added a quite a few

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more shows this year, Delta, Alabama, Roanoke, AL We live in
the West Georgia E Alabama area.We live about 5 or 6 miles from
the Alabama State line. So we jump back and forth.
So we're not necessarily a Georgia promotion and we're not
necessarily an Alabama promotion, but yeah.
And training school. My, my, my, my business model

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all along has been to, to trainstrying, you know, the, the same
business model WWE has and, and has had for a while.
It's OVW, it's Smoky Mountain, it's USWA.
It's it's the same nothing that I thought of.
I'm just, I'm just doing it the,the way I've I've learned how to
do it. But I'm our school has produced

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6 or 7 pretty well. Pretty, pretty good, pretty good
guys. And my business model all along
was to build them up and make them stars of the show.
And I brought in a lot of my oldfriends to do that.
And it's been, it's worked. My my heavyweight champ, my Bull

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of the Woods heavyweight champion, which is our version
of the Bullpen heavyweight champion is Xavier Cross, a
Bullpen graduate, my TV champion, JT Paradox, bullpen
graduate, my light heavyweight champion, Dante Diamond, bullpen
graduate, Trey Jordan, Ryan Wendell.

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Another graduate is former lightheavyweight champion Trey Jordan
is working all over the state ofGeorgia and Alabama.
Kyle Gunner just has got started.
He's already in the main event picture with the with the, like
you said, the rebirth guys basically in a nutshell and just
the Cliff notes on the whole thing.

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I guess the the trainees and young guys got mad because they
thought that the old guys were holding them down.
I guess that includes me. So they formed their own, their
own little faction called the Rebirth.
And you know, here we go. I guess this year will be the
the year of the rebirth. It's starting to look like.
And it looks like you're still out there.

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You're involved in this like you're wrestling, too.
Yeah, You know, and I say this with all sincerity.
Like I said, honestly, in the beginning, I didn't even want a
promotion. I just wanted to school.
I would much rather be remembered for the the people

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that I got in the business and and the people that I got to
have the chance to actually makea living in the business like I
did. I'd much rather be remembered
for that than being a promoter. I'd much rather be remembered as
a trainer of guys that could go then a promoter.
And I really didn't want a promotion.
What I wanted was a school and asmall building that I could run,

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you know, maybe 100, a couple, 100 people that I could put my
trainees out in front of them, get experienced, AKA Ohio Valley
Wrestling. But it just kind of snowballed
into this. And yeah, some old, old, old

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feuds from the past have raised their head.
And I did. I wrestled last year at our
December show. Took me almost a month and a
half to recover from that. I wrestled at our our
anniversary show this year in June, once again, same thing.
And then, you know, I just, I can't do it anymore.

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You know, it's not even fun anymore when you can't go out
there and you know, you don't want to embarrass yourself.
And you know, when, when it takes you that long to recover
just from, from one match, it's,it's, it's not fun anymore.
I have just, I have just as muchfun behind the scenes now as I
as I, as I do that in front. So yeah, I'm trying to, I'm

(01:05:23):
trying to nip that in the bud, trying to cut that off pretty
quick. Do you have something you enjoy?
Is there something now as a as aas a guy behind the scenes that
you saw back in the day that youcan now really appreciate?
Like you're on the other side now you're as a wrestler, you're

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like, I don't want to fucking dothat.
I don't want to sit down and write TV.
But now you're on the other side.
Is there something where you're like, you know what this is?
This is actually a lot of fun. Yeah, I, yeah, I enjoy
producing. I enjoy putting these matches
together and, you know, seeing what I can come up with and, and

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letting these guys just letting basically letting nature take
its course. I from the beginning, I brought
in a bunch of my friends who are, you know, maybe not quite
my age, but guys that I worked with here on the Indies in
Georgia and Alabama brought themin so the young guys could learn
from them. And then, you know, and then the

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young guys turn in stars. I just thought there would be a
little more, a little more gratitude than there than there
is right now. I don't know if that's a
generational thing or if maybe Ijust, you know, didn't, didn't
crack whip hard enough or, or what.
But yeah, that's what it's turned into.
But I, I love, I enjoy producingthis stuff.

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It's it's I had no ideal, you know, I the, the which, you
know, WWE is kind of, you know, a major company.
You have higher many employees. You know, you can imagine
there's departments for travel, there's departments for this,
there's departments for creative, for costumes, for all

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that, you know, with this, you know, you're looking at it.
I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm creative, I'mtalent relations.
I'm I'm travel, I'm I'm everything, I'm the I'm the ride
from the airport. It's a lot of work, man.
You know, hats off to to, you know, a lot of these guys, the

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hundreds and maybe thousands of promoters I've run across
through the years, you know, work for and and new and, and
just, you know, you look at totally different from a talent
standpoint. It is, it's you know, it's nice
to go in there and just drop your bag and look up and see who
you're working and get ready andgo do it and then we'll get your

(01:07:53):
money and leave. But man, the you know, it's long
days. Sometimes the world names
sometimes about it, you know, weeither start the night before or
the morning of and it's a full day and we're there till one
2:00 at night. So it's a lot of work.
But man, you know, I didn't knowthat back 20 years ago.
I didn't know that there would be anything that I could do that

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would be as much fun as wrestling.
And I don't know if this is as much fun, but it's pretty close
second. And you know, it's kind of like,
it's kind of like softball. It ain't baseball, but at least
I can play. So, you know, at least I can
still do this and, and enjoy it.I can't get out there and really
wrestle that much anymore or, ordo it effectively, but I can do

(01:08:37):
this and hopefully I can still do it for a little while at
least. I don't know, I thought I was on
the verge of a stroke or a heartattack sometimes last year.
So maybe we'll make it through it.
And, and Bullpen professional wrestling is you have a YouTube
channel and you have all social medias, but you guys are also on

(01:08:58):
ECUSATV, East Coast Disney TV. How does how does something like
that come about, 'cause everybody has a YouTube channel,
but it's hard for some of these promotions to find a home such
as ECUSATV? These guys, these guys are are
startup. They they reached out and I just

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I saw where they had reached outand and reached out back to them
and we got together and and worked out a deal and and yeah,
man, it's great. It's a CUSATV, it's a Roku.
If you got Roku just downloads free app.
They're on pretty much everything.
Apple TV, fire, they're on all that.

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So yeah, it's a huge deal for us.
We you know, when, when we firststarted our first show, WWE was
nice enough to let my son Bruce Jensen, he came up and got a
little promo there in the ring. So we've always had, you know,
the, the affiliation that I, youknow, that I had with WWE,

(01:10:07):
Nothing official or nothing likethat.
But you know, I always tell guyswhen you do business the right
way, you know, you, you, you do business the way you're supposed
to do it. I've had a good relationship
with those guys since the day I walked out the door.
You know which which is is, you know, shown that I've been back

(01:10:28):
a few times, been on TVA couple of times, been back a few times,
been invited down as a guest coach.
So, yeah, you know, it's just, Ithink when you do business the
right way, you, you know, thingslike that kind of fall in your
lap. But this was just, this was just
kind of out of the blue. And later, like I said, we we've

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got YouTube channels. We actually got three of them.
We're trying to, we're trying toconsolidate, but we're on X,
we're on TikTok, we're on Facebook, We've got, you know,
we do all the social media. But yeah, we're starting to and
we're starting to upload some ofour back content too from past

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two years. So we look forward to seeing
some of that. You mentioned your son Brooks
Jensen, and he wrestled on the independent scene and you guys
actually got to have a match a couple years ago.
Did you ever think, first of all, did you ever want your son
in the professional wrestling business?
And then did you ever think you'd actually get to have a

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match of them? Because that's got to be a
pretty cool father son moment. Yeah, yeah.
I, I knew he would. I, I knew there's no sense in me
trying to trying to stop it. I, I knew he would.
He, he was, you know, he was just, that's all he thought
about. Everything else in, in life
pretty much up to, you know, that point was, was just pro

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wrestling. He was a standout amateur
wrestler. He was state champion amateur
wrestler over in Alabama as a heavyweight.
And he was a pretty good football player too.
But he just, you know, everything was just to to
further his his path along to being a pro wrestler.
So I knew he would. We actually, you know, I dare

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say he started referee and when he was 14.
Now all these were places that were friends of mine in the
business. You know, I didn't just put him
out there and turn him loose. You know, at 14 years old, he
can't even drive. So we would go to the he asked
me to train him and I said, well, I'll tell you what, we'll
let you referee a few matches. It's been my experience that

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sometimes if you let him refereea couple of matches, it lets him
get out in front of the crowd without a little, some of the
pressure of, you know, being in the spotlight.
So we did that. I think he had maybe his first
match at 1516 and, you know, he just rocked on from there.
But it got to be, like I said, these are friends of mine, these

(01:13:00):
promoters, you know, places I'veworked over the years and
friends of mine that I worked with that are promoting now.
And inevitably, you know, somebody said, well, hey, would
you want to, you know, get in there and, and tag with him?
And of course, I had a retirement like everybody else.
My first retirement was in 2014,I believe.

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Well, I joined the Sheriff's Department down here.
They threw me a real nice retirement.
We had a packed house that got Dlow came down me and D low
tagged one last time. And but I knew that if either
one of the boys wanted to get into it, that I probably had one
or two more matches in me because I thought it would just

(01:13:41):
be cool to be able to tag with them.
And we did, but it kind of turned into a, it kind of turned
into a whole tour around the state of Georgia, me and him.
And we actually won the SouthernFried tag team belt at one
point. Now mind you, this was only like
4 years ago, so it wasn't like Iwas 32 and and you know, had

(01:14:02):
still had springs in my legs. I was like trying to keep up
with, trying to keep up with himand trying to keep up with these
guys that he was wrestling. So that almost killed me.
Yeah, it literally took me almost a year cover from that.
But I had a blast. It was so much fun.
And yeah, we did wind up workingeach other.
And it was only about 3 or 4 minutes into the match and I

(01:14:27):
realized that there's AI think there's a point in your life
when you realize you have met someone who who is the equal or
more than than what you are. I chopped him and he chopped me
and I thought my heart stopped and at.
That point. At that point I said, you know
what, it just it's, you know, you got the crown, buddy.

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Yeah, that match didn't go much longer than that.
We, I had to, I had a lot of bigplans in my head and about 5
minutes in, I said, shit, I can't do this.
So, but yeah, we did. And my other son, Zach Buchanan,
he's a, he's actually, so he's actually the leader of the

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Rebirth faction. He's going to be a he's going to
be a star. He's a 63220 just does some
uncanny stuff off the ropes. He's a, he's a little bit of
Acrobat so, but he's a yeah. He's, he's worked for me since

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the beginning. And you know, he worked for a
lot of the, lot of the bigger promotions around here.
And so he's down in Orlando right now with, with being
trying to, you know, further hiscareer down there.
So but yeah, yeah, it was a lot of fun.
I'm sure at some point, maybe ifI can, if I can drag myself in

(01:15:56):
there one more time, maybe me and him tag or you know,
something. But yeah, it was a lot of fun, a
lot of fun. I knew they were both going on
to do it, so I'd already plannedon it.
That's it's, it's awesome, That's fantastic.
And, and and to think right, youwere talking God, you've been in

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the business for quite a bit of time now, like you just said,
down to Orlando, like the thingshave changed.
You know, the way if there was aplace like Orlando for you to go
and train when you were coming up, you know?
Yes, the first time. A lot of miles.
Yeah, the, you know, we trained and we, my, my trainer, Olin
James James Hammond, we just, welost him this past year.

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We, we trained in backyard, we trained in a barn at one point.
And you know, winters here in Georgia aren't nearly as bad as
they are in some other place, but they still get pretty cold,
especially when you're, you're out in a, in a barn.
But we trained out there in January and February and March
and you know, we just, we trained wherever we could, we
could find. And first time I went down
there, which, you know, Ben and told me about it, but the first

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time I went down there, they like 7 or 8 rings.
They got ring. It's basically a, it's a full
size WWE ring. It's basically an air mattress
inside. So, you know, when, when they
want to practice the, you know, all those crazy flips and, and
that kind of stuff, you know, they, they got a little bit of
protection anyway. But yeah, it's, it's
unbelievable because I, I remember I was actually

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probably, I think, you know, in Smoky Mountain, I'm not sure
you'd, I have talked to him to make sure.
But yeah, I think even at Smoky Mountain, you know, they
already, they were already looking at Summer Cornett's
younger town. They already had their eye on
Glenn, Glenn Jacobs, you know, Undertaker came down and worked
him at Smoky Mountain. You know, that he had a lot of

(01:17:53):
young talent down there. Then they had their eye on
already that, you know, that's where I got my opportunity.
But it was, it wasn't a developmental system at all.
And then when I first signed, they I signed with WWE, they
sent me and Dwayne Johnson and Bart Sawyer down to Memphis.

(01:18:13):
And I think that probably we were the first developmental
class. Now, I've been working about a
year and a half, two years. I think Bart had been working
about the same length of time Rocky had been working.
You know, he hadn't really been working, but you know, I mean
his dad's Rocky Johnson. So he had been working out and

(01:18:33):
training down in, I believe downin Houston.
And I think Pat had already beendown there.
So, you know, he, it wasn't likehe just just stepped into the
ring plus with all the, the linen that he had.
But we were probably the first development and it wasn't a, it
wasn't somewhere you went and trained.
It was a working territory stillat that time.

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You worked, you worked six days a week.
A lot of times you work 7 or 8 or 9 times during that six days.
We worked three times on Saturday.
We did, we would do live TV at at the TV studio at 9 O clock in
the morning. Then we had a house show at the
Big One flea market over on the other side of Memphis.
And then we had Nashville, whichwas 4 hours away that night.

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So, you know, you just went in and went right to work.
And then OVW was the first actual full service, as Cornett
would say, developmental system where they could bring somebody
in that had no knowledge of pro wrestling, get them in the ring,
teach them the ropes, teach them, you know, the business
from the from all sides, do the whole thing.

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And so I've watched it evolve from, you know, from nothing to
what it is now, and it's amazing.
Yeah, remarkable. And you meant like Smoky
Mountain USWA, you had a cup of coffee and ECW, which I was
quite fond of. I got to ask about the Truth

(01:19:59):
Commission, especially because Don Callas is all over you,
right? Now.
You go from being the Punisher and Smoky Mountain and USWA and
then, you know, here we go. You're getting the call to to
the the big show. You're going to be in the truth
Commission. What?
What? What?
What goes through your head here?
You are this bad ass the Punisher, and now you're just

(01:20:20):
like, it was such a weird thing.Yeah, so I had no idea I was
down in Memphis. Like I said, I I was doing
Punisher down there just 'cause that's what I was doing in in
Smoky Mountain. And I got a call to go up for a
costume fitting. And at that time they actually
had a costume. It was actually a fashion.

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It was in Fashion District of New York City and they actually
had a a big studio down there where they did all the costumes
at because this was this was a one, It was right at the
beginning of the attitude there,I guess.
So there's still a lot of, you know, the undertaker was, you
know, he just done the, the, the, what was it?
The, the, the, the Batman cut, you know, the wings and, you

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know, so the, the, the outfits and the gimmicks were still
pretty elaborate, you know, before everything kind of turned
in the attitude there. But so I went down there and I
saw the drawing of it. So, and I figured out from
there, OK, well, it's something military.
And then I got a call where theybrought us up to Stanford.
It was me, Robert Kurgan and Mike Hallett Tank.

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He was a mentor in WWE. That was the original truth
Commission along with Robin Smith, who's the commandant now.
Robin was so the story was told me from by Robin was that Bret
Hart was over in South Africa doing a Sinbad episode and Robin
was a actor over there and he was acting on that episode.

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And so they got together, start talking and they talked this
whole truth Commission thing up.Brett went back, pitched it
Vince, Vince liked it. Of course, you know, 3 big guys
dressed in military got, you know, Vince loved it.
So the they knew Brett Newker, Robert from he'd already been
out I think to the to the heart out to the, the one of their

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training camps before. So he was from Canada and it you
know, they knew MM had, you know, previously worked up there
as a mantar. So Brett knew Mike and they were
looking through a book of, of some of the guys that that
weren't on the road or weren't being, they were on the contract
but wouldn't do anything right now.
And Brett saw a picture of me and I had the crew cut and he

(01:22:39):
said, well, he looks like he'd been in the military, so let's
put him in there. So that's how I got in there.
And we went to Stanford and Robin taught us how to March and
how to do all that stuff becausehe was an actual, he had
actually been a soldier in the South African military.
So we did that for a couple of weeks and then sent us back down
to Memphis. And I think we stayed down there
maybe 6-6 months or so just, youknow, just working on it and and

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yeah, and then got the call up. But we got the call up and you
know, we were like I said, Vinceliked it and Brett was behind
it, you know, So of course they,you know, they were going to
give it a give a shot. And then we were right in the
middle of of gang warfare. It fit right in at the time.
It was, it was, it was very convenient for them at the time.

(01:23:27):
You know, another four Man Group, what we were building up
to Survivor Series, the, you know, the whole gang warfare
thing. Right prior to that I got a call
from Robin. Well, we all did, but I got the
call from Robin and he'd had some bees of trouble and they'd
let him go. So of course we didn't, you
know, we were, you know, we wereworried.

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OK, what does that mean for us? And and we had heard now, you
know, we didn't get into the whole the whole thing with Brett
and Sean Brettt was, of course, you know, one of our benefactors
there at the time. But we didn't get into the whole
thing. But we had heard rumors that
Brett might be leaving. So.
And on top of that, now we're wondering, OK, so where does

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that leave us? And Don came in, Mike Halleck
never made the main roster. Don't know why.
God rest his soul. He he passed a couple years ago,
but don't know why, don't know what they're thinking on it was,
but they brought in Luke Poyer. Luke Poyer wrestled over in

(01:24:31):
Germany for Otto Vance over in his and he wrestled his Rambo
over there. It was a huge star, huge star
over there. So brought him in and put him
with us and Don came in. Well, they all knew Don because
they were all Canadians. So they they, you know, wrestled
and been around Don. So they knew Don.
I didn't know Don, but you know,I could tell right off that, you

(01:24:55):
know, he, he knew he could talk.But we had a house show and we
had a six man match, three of us.
And then he had a singles match and he went out there and tore
the house that I had no ideal. You know, I mean, I figured he
was, he wrestled, but I had no ideal and he went out there and
tore the house down. I never understood why he didn't

(01:25:17):
wrestle more than he did. Of course, you know, he was, he
was more valuable to us, his mouthpiece.
But Scott's tremendous, I, I made the comment when he came
back through the, the curtain, Isaid, damn, man, we need to be
managing you. I mean, you know, it was good.
He had a, he had a great match. And it's funny to, you know, to
see him after still going ahead and still after all these years,

(01:25:40):
you know, it's great, good guy. We had a lot of fun.
We had a lot of fun because it was, it was all of our first
time there, so everything was still new.
You know, every road trip was just a new adventure and we all
rode together. We got, you know, we'd get a
minivan or something. We had to get something big
because you know, Kurgan was 7 foot legit.

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So, but we would, you know, we would, we had a good time.
It was a lot of fun. Yeah.
And then it get kind of like thetruth Commission kind of ends
and then like you, you end up back in OVW and then they bring
you up for, you know, you're kind of with the boss man.
And then right to censor comes to be.
And that's that's probably like the most no, because B2 was

(01:26:24):
pretty good too. Oh yeah, yeah, right.
Sensor probably had the longest legs of anything.
I you know, I was so such a big Boss man fan growing up, growing
up and, and watching him, you know, and then getting the tag
with him and then we became friends outside the business,

(01:26:47):
you know, we, our families hung out together.
So it was just great. I was really disappointed when
they when they broke us up. But Ray had had some stuff he
had to get done on his knee. And I think they, you know, they
were just going to let me go with the singles for a little
bit. And then me and Stevie had got

(01:27:07):
to be friends over the, the timeI was up there, you know, and we
were on, we were in Albany, NY. And he came up and said, well, I
think they're putting you with me.
And I had seen him go out, you know, I, but I didn't know, I
didn't really know what he was doing.
I just saw him wearing the shirtand the tie.
So, you know, I didn't know, youknow, I asked him, I said, well,

(01:27:29):
are we Mormons or I mean, what are we doing here?
And it, but he laid it all out to me and I said, God, man,
that's, you know, that's great. If they, if they give it a push,
if they get behind it just a little bit, man, it'll, it'll
get some heat. And and they did and, and it
did, it got a ton, it got bigger.

(01:27:49):
You know, I think then, then we actually, I'm pretty sure it got
a little bigger than the than the office actually thought it
would get. It's a shame because I, and I
think we all thought it might have had more legs under it than
what it did, but you know, we just bought out the W and

(01:28:10):
overnight angles finished and things, you know, just kind of
got not left, not tidied up, youknow what I'm saying?
We had to totally change gears and go in a different direction.
So I guess that's why they wanted to pull plug on it.
But, you know, I know that therewere plans there.

(01:28:31):
There was there was going to be a slow destruction.
A, you know, Stevie would be theone to to talk to about that.
But I know that it was going to be a slow destruction.
You know, not the fast come apart that we had, but, you
know, a slow implosion to to endthe whole thing.

(01:28:52):
But yeah, it got it got, you know, everything I said when we
bought them out, everything changed.
That's why. Oh, I'm sorry.
Go ahead. No, I was going to say, it's
just wild how like how much thataffected, you know, everything
that was going on and just like AA180 right there, that's what

(01:29:13):
we're doing. And then we're just going to
change course. And unfortunately, you guys were
were victims of circumstance. Yeah, you know, I'll never
forget. I was, I was sitting next to Ron
Simmons. We've got to be pretty good
friends. And I was sitting next to Ron
Simmons went at the meeting whenVince told us.
And and, you know, he was, he was, he was laying the whole
thing out to us. And I looked at Ron and I said,

(01:29:36):
you know, kind of whispered. I said, well, that's good for
us, isn't it? And I remember that, you know,
yeah, I look back on it now. And I thought, God, he was
right. You know, I because my my
reaction was I said, no, he wouldn't do that to us.
Would then, you know, he gave methat look like, OK, I didn't

(01:29:58):
think that, but no, I mean, you know, how do you not put Booker
T on TV? You know, I mean, unfortunately,
unfortunately, I mean, I don't say unfortunately, I mean, God,
they got a ton of they got a tonof talent.
I just, it was a weird time and there was so many guys there.
I feel like a lot of people got kind of fell through the fell

(01:30:21):
through the cracks. Mark Gentrac, Sean O'Hare, Chuck
Palumbo, those guys like that. They were my size and, you know,
and and they were, they were probably a good bit a little bit
younger and but you know, they had a lot of talent and they all
had runs up there, but just not big ones, you know, like I I

(01:30:42):
figured that they would Rodney Mack.
I mean, guys like that, you know, they, it just seemed like
they were just turning churning guys in and out at that time.
But but yeah, you know, unfortunately you didn't get The
Goldbergs and the and flares andthe guys like, yeah, the
Steiners, you know, all those matchups that everybody said,

(01:31:03):
oh, you know, when I think when everybody, you know, when
everybody sat down that night and tuned in their TV and
realized what was going on, first thing it probably popped
in everybody's mind is Oh my God, Goldberg against Stone
Cold, you know, Scott Steiner against, you know, triple, you
know, that kind of stuff. And unfortunately a lot of those

(01:31:24):
guys didn't come. But like I said, you got Booker
TI mean. How do you not put that guy on
TV, you know? Isn't it crazy, too, that Rodney
Mack is still working right now?He's I saw him not long ago, me
and Zach actually came out to the N.W.A thing at center stage
here in Atlanta and I saw him. Yeah, that's cool.

(01:31:46):
Him and Jazz man. They were, they were, they were
two really cool people. I, I just, you know, I hated it
that, you know, the, the way I got took out with, with Cena and
Rodney Mack. I just hated it that he didn't
have a, a better run with that than he did.
You know, I kind of figured that.
I kind of figured that, OK, well, they're going in this
direction with him. Maybe he'll maybe he'll get

(01:32:08):
elevated by this and you know, he did.
But just like I said, I mean, there, there's a lot of guys
that that got a run and it just they they didn't last.
It didn't, you know, I didn't get that.
I mean, I got a a pretty much a 8 close to 9 year run up there.

(01:32:28):
You know, I can't complain aboutthat at all.
But you know, you just think some of those guys would have
would have been there longer andbeen more successful.
Chuck Palumbo came over to Japanafter I left.
I went to all Japan, me and DLO did and Chuck Palumbo come over
there, man, he he was great. I mean, he was big and he was in
shape and they could move and they could they could fly around

(01:32:50):
and you know, all the things youwould look for And I just it's
always amazed me. You know, those guys didn't go.
Johnny Stamboli came over, you know, same deal.
You just want Albert Matt Bloom.There was a lot of guys that,
you know, below Ecky Umaga, there's a lot of guys that got

(01:33:16):
let go during that time. And a lot of us wound up over in
Japan, did really well over there.
But I always wondered, you know,why they didn't get a better run
up there than they did. So, spending a lot of time in
Japan, did you ever have a chance to try the raw horse
meat? Oh yeah, yeah, it actually ain't
bad. So I'm pretty.

(01:33:37):
I used to be pretty picky about what I ate.
And so when I first went over there, I remember Mike Austin
was kind of me. And Mike had worked another guy
that I looked up to because my philosophy when I got in the
business, when I kind of startedfiguring out, you know, how the
business worked and I hadn't figured out how to get over yet.
But I knew there was such a thing as getting over.

(01:34:00):
And I thought that my athleticism would, would set me
apart from other guys that were my size.
And one of the guys that one of the guys I saw do that was
Booker T, of course, another oneI saw do that was Billy Gunn.
But another one was Mike Awesome.
And I always thought it'd be great if I, if I got a chance to
work him. And we got a chance to work.

(01:34:21):
And but he would my contact overin Japan, he's the one that
called me and made the introductions and everything.
And yeah, we, he told me, I said, listen, man, you know
what? What is there to eat over there?
And he said, listen, there's a McDonald's in every town.
He said just about just about every town, there's AKFC.
And I said, well, hey, I'm golden.

(01:34:44):
I. Will I will tell you that cat
the the the the what's the guy, the the.
Film No. No, no, no.
The film producer a few years ago that did the McDonald's
diet. I can tell you.
Yeah, Yeah, I can tell you that there's something to that.
I ate McDonald's for a week and I, I didn't eat it for another

(01:35:05):
year. I was, I was begging for
anything except McDonald's. So I actually got got to where I
tried just about anything over there.
Yeah. The horse, the cow tongues.
They slip bad in on you. That's always a a good ha, ha.
For, you know, you're sitting there and I mean, if you don't

(01:35:26):
know, it really is pretty good. You think, damn, this is good.
What is this? Oh, it's a cow tongue, you know.
OK, that's. And that's the thing for me,
like I'd have to know what I waseating and if you told me it was
like cow tongue or royal horse, like I think I'm out.
Right. You know, you wouldn't try it.
So I guess that's why they, they, you know, they don't do

(01:35:47):
it, but yeah, they did. There's this game they play over
there, I guess the wasabi sauce.They you order, you order like 3
or 4 of you'll order a maybe 6 or 7 egg or sushi rolls.
Well, one of them's a chock fullof damn wasabi sauce.
And you just keep eating till you know, wherever the unlucky

(01:36:08):
person that gets it is. And, and, you know, guess who
that person usually is? The, the, the dumb ass American
in the group. And I was, I, I, I swear the
fire came out my nose. I was ready to, I was ready to
hit somebody. You know, I never, I, I, I've
never kind of, I kind of swore Iloved sushi before that.

(01:36:31):
But after that, I just couldn't eat it anymore.
Yeah, but no, the, the food's great over there.
I loved it. I got, I got to where I would
just, you know, eat. I try almost anything.
What was one thing? Oh, go ahead, Tony.
No, go ahead, Tony. What was what was one thing you
tried over there that you were just like, Nah, this ain't for

(01:36:51):
me. Calamari.
I tried it really. Yeah, I tried it and I was like,
God, this is Judy. I can't, you know, And it's
like, Oh yeah, it's a cartilage.And I just got that.
I got that image in my head and I could never get it out.
So I was, you know what? That's that's, that's a little
too far from me. I never tried to never tried to

(01:37:14):
blow fish I didn't want. I didn't want to wind up dead or
anything like that. But the calamari was it, was it
one of those gimmicks where it was live on your plate?
Because I've seen videos of theyjust they're crazy.
They just they'll just eat shit while it's moving on your on
your plate. Yeah, no, this was actually,
it's kind of like tempura. It was fried.
It had a like a a crust on it. But there, one of the coolest

(01:37:36):
things I've ever seen in my lifewas over there.
I don't remember what town it is.
I won't say it might have been Osaka, but there was a
restaurant they used to carry usto.
It was pretty good sized restaurant, but in the middle of
it, it had a of course, it wasn't a full size fishing boat,
but it was a fishing boat set ina man made pond.

(01:37:57):
And I guess you paid extra and you can go on the boat and sit
there and they give you a fish pole.
You actually caught your fish out of the man made pond and
they fillet it right there in front of you.
And yeah, when they fillet it right there in front of you,
it's still be jumping when they when they fillet it, you know,
it was still twitching around. So, but yeah, barn, one of the

(01:38:20):
coolest things I've ever seen a damn boat floating in a, you
know, a man made pond out there in the middle of a damn
restaurant. Just get on and catch your own
fish. It's wild.
Yeah, do. You ever go to any of those
restaurants where they have likethe girls dressed up like the
anime characters and they giggleand they serve you and stuff
like that? Oh, yeah, The, the, the, yeah,

(01:38:42):
every bar over there. I, I think, I think we, we made
a point to try every bar we could find over there and, and
the was the karaoke bars. So typical night, you know, if
you have a sponsor over there, if you have a sponsor over
there, it's somebody, maybe you get to that town, you know,
maybe it might be a business or it might just be a, a
individual, but they're usually somebody that the office knows

(01:39:06):
and the office trust, But they'll come, the office will
come to you and say, Hey, you got, you got somebody wants to,
you know, it won't be yours. Usually it's one or two more
guys, but they won't be your sponsor.
So they'll take you out. You know, usually you'll start
maybe at a restaurant, get something to eat, then it's to
the bar, then you drink. Then you go to the karaoke bar

(01:39:26):
and you drink some more and do karaoke and it's back to another
bar and drink a little more and then usually another karaoke.
So they keep you out. They'll run you all night.
But you know, it's great. It's great because they're
paying for everything. You know, you're living it up on
their dime. They just, they just enjoy being
around the being around the wrestlers.

(01:39:47):
Did you have? A I think we're about to ask the
same thing. Brando.
Brando. Yeah.
Did you have a go to karaoke song over there?
You know, my buddy Kaya, we usedto sing.
What is it? New York, NY Frank Sinatra.
Yeah, yeah. That that used to be the

(01:40:07):
favorite, that one. And DLO liked.
What was it? Michael Bublé.
The Coming Home song. Yeah, yeah.
I can't see Dilo Brown singing Michael Bublé.
Oh, God, yeah. Well, you know, after a few
adult beverages, we do a lot of stuff that that we.

(01:40:30):
I'm sure I'm sure you have. So.
They will take you out to Rapungi there.
Oh God, the I don't know what the office was actually
thinking. Apparently they weren't, but
they booked us in a hotel in Roppongi there for a few tours.

(01:40:52):
And it, it, it didn't have any, any major complications, but it
definitely it, it probably, definitely put a, put a strain
on the, on the work rate over there for a few.
Yeah, No, they, they booked us there for a few tours and then

(01:41:14):
they got us out of there. They got us back over to a
little more of a same part of town.
But yeah, we had a good that we,they would always carry us to
Ribera, of course. And we had to, you know, we, we,
when they brought us over to allJapan, we were doing a thing
called ROD Muda had just bought the company.

(01:41:34):
And, you know, he, he, he wanteda, he wanted a group of, of, of
foreigners to run against him inthe baby faces, of course.
And Taka was already over there.And Taka, you know, of course,
had been in New York with all ofus.
So he had the inside track on who was, you know, who was going
might be free coming up. And so he kind of funneled us in

(01:41:55):
there. And then the original group was
myself, Dilo, Mike, Awesome Taka, of course, and Jerry too.
He was the wall in WCW. He unfortunately passed away
over there. And so then the group became
Medilo Taka and Umaga Eki Eki, Admiral Fatu and Taio Kea, who

(01:42:21):
who had already been over there.He trained over there and he was
there through the through the early and mid 90s.
You know, he'd been over there for a while, but but yeah, we
had a, we had a group over there.
So we talked the office and, youknow, the office said we need a
place where the ROD, the group can kind of that can be their
office. And I'm pretty sure it was Umaga

(01:42:41):
because he just, that's the way he thought.
He said, hey, I got a great idea.
Why don't we make Rivera our office?
So that way, every time we went to shoot a promo, we got a free
steak, free meal, you know, freejacket, you know, all, all free
beer we could drink. So yeah, Ribera was our, was our
office slash home. So, you know, we, we, we made

(01:43:04):
ourselves at home there. But yeah, Ribera was a great
place. And, you know, and it's, it's,
it's not big at all. It's, it's it people would be
amazed. I mean, everybody's seen the
jackets and everybody's heard about it, you know, and they
have this big, huge steak place in mind.
And it's a small, small little bar, but it's got some of the,

(01:43:25):
some of the best pictures, man. They the pictures from, you
know, Harley Rd. Warriors, you know, anybody
who's anybody in pro wrestling has probably got a picture up in
there. It's so unique to look at your
career ball because it's, you know, 30 years ago now is when
you were in SMW. Like, did you envision that
you'd still be talking about, you know, SMW and USWA and the

(01:43:48):
right to censor and all this stuff?
Like, and even your your Japan run between All Japan and NOAA,
Like you shared the ring with literally everybody in the
wrestling business. It's pretty wild to look at.
Oh God, man, I just really blessed, you know, I was just a
kid from a kid from Georgia. You know, I had AI had a, I had

(01:44:12):
size, of course, on my side, youknow, I was 6/6 in in in high
school. I was bigger than every other
kid in all through school. So I had size on my side.
But you know, I had a a fairly fairly athletic and just, you
know, I just want to take no foran answer.
It's what I want to do, But no, I, you know, I never dreamed

(01:44:38):
that I'd get to my ideal of success in the business.
And when I first got in, like I said, got in and got comfortable
and kind of start figuring stuffout and start traveling a little
bit. You know, my, my business model
was if I could make $500 a week and not have to work a regular
job, you know, this would be successful for me.

(01:44:58):
And, and God, man, I've done, you know, I've said I've been
blessed. I've done a lot more than that.
But no, I had, no, I, I never dream that I, you know, WWF
WrestleMania as big as it got and everything.
I never, you know, never dreamedof any of that.
That's why WrestleMania, you areWrestle Kingdom like you, you've

(01:45:19):
been everywhere. It's awesome.
It's and now we got bullpen professional wrestling and, and
your son is doing well and your other son sounds like he's going
to be a force to be reckoned with.
And we got to ask Paul, we're not going to keep you much
longer. I know you're a busy man, but I
got to ask. I ask every guest this question.
When was the last time you shit your pants?

(01:45:42):
In the rain. Anywhere.
Anywhere. It wasn't full blown to me.
I didn't blow it outside or anything, but it was over in
Japan and and you know, I think I was working Kinski.
I'm pretty sure I was working Kinski.
It was nothing he did. It was just suplex, but man,
that was a bug going around on the bus over there.

(01:46:06):
And I remember I sat out in the bus until we had cell phones
over there and I sat out in the bus and Kaya called me.
He's like, OK, they're getting ready to play our music.
And I ran in the back door and got out to the ring and it was
just suplex. But I remember standing on my
head and thinking to myself, God, I hope, you know, I hope

(01:46:28):
when I land this don't. And and when I landed, it was
one of those, you know, you couldn't really tell, but it was
it just it felt it felt a littlefunny.
Like I said, you know, I've heard stories.
I heard a story one time. I don't know if it's true or
not. Somebody can probably back it
up. But I thought, I'm pretty sure I
thought Ecky told me the story so he would know back in Rodney

(01:46:50):
Yokozuna, you know, they were they were family.
And he told me that because we were talking one day about
Rodney and and and he's telling me that, you know, when we do
the bonsai drop, I said, how does he how does he see where
they're at before he does it? He said Dutton, he puts them in
the same place every time and hejust knows that's where he's got

(01:47:11):
to be. Well, some rocket scientists
they brought in up there and I don't know who you like I said,
I mean, you know, I can't verifythe story, but is, you know,
some some smart guy they broughtin up there when Rodney put him
where he was supposed to put himwhere he, you know, where he
wanted to be. This guy thought he needed to
scoot up a little bit. So he scooted up and or Rodney
can't see him, you know, so he comes off and lands and lands

(01:47:34):
right on this guy's stomach and said it blew out both sides of
his trunks. If the story's true and I, I
wish somebody could would verifythis for us.
But if the story was true, Vincewas standing right there, but
but at the gorilla when he walked back through and gets it.
Get the hell out of my ring, getthe hell out of my arena and
gonna come back. Oh yeah, that's.

(01:47:56):
Not. It's it's one of those traces.
It's like the NASCAR drivers, you know, like when you really
get to thinking about it, like how do they hold it for four or
five hours sometimes? Shit, maybe they don't, you
know, it's the stuff they don't,the little inside stuff that
they don't really talk about astronauts, I guess, you know,
but but yeah, it you got to be careful.

(01:48:17):
It happens. I've heard, I've heard stories
of a lot worse than that happening.
Oh, we've yeah, we've got a few good stories on this podcast
from some guests, and I think Steve Austin said he shit his
pants on Yokozuna did that to him too.
Yeah, he might. Yeah.
I mean, well, you know, Rodney to take care of you, but I mean,
he still got 450. Yeah.

(01:48:38):
Yeah. I, you know, I've never.
I got to meet him a couple of times.
And I remember the first time I met him when I first signed with
Vince. Back then.
They back back then, JJ Dillon was actually the head of talent
relations. This was actually before Jr.
So they would fly you, JJ would give you a tour and then you'd

(01:48:59):
go in and sit down with Vince and, you know, talk over, you
know, kind of get to know each other, that kind of thing.
And so I already knew that they were having a, a pay-per-view in
South Carolina. So when I went in and sat down
with Vince, you know, I, I didn't know what he was going to
ask me, but I already knew what I was going to ask him.
And so we went through our wholelittle, you know, talk a little

(01:49:19):
bit. And I said, well, you know, I
already had a prepared speech inmy mind.
I know he probably got a a kick out of it because I sounded like
I was trying to sell him, you know, some, some kind of
bathroom accessory or something.But I said, I said, well, Mr.
McMahon, I see that you have a pay-per-view out in South
Carolina coming up in a few weekends.

(01:49:40):
And he's like, well, you know, in typical events he was like,
well, yes, we do. And I said, well, I said I'd
really be interested in coming out, you know, if you guys would
let me. And he said you'd want to come
out to that. And I was like, of course, he
said, OK, well, we'll get, you know, I'll get with travel.
And I said, oh, no, Sir, that'llbe fine.
I can drive myself out. And he said you'd drive all the

(01:50:01):
way. I said yes, Sir, absolutely.
You know, I'm, I'm, you know, I was probably, I might have been
one of the first, one of the first, but I was one of the
early members of the, the Vince McMahon Kiss my Ass club because
I was. I was.
Trying, you know, of course you're trying to make a good
impression on and you know, I was trying to and so me and my
buddy, I had a buddy that I trained with Bulldog reins.

(01:50:24):
He he wrestled out in Memphis for for a few years, but we
trained together. So he rode out there with me.
So went out there and we're standing backstage and I can't
remember which one it was, but anybody that stumbles across it,
you'll know which one it is. There was a huge blackout.
Power went off. The pay-per-view actually went
off the air. This was bad.

(01:50:45):
Like, you know, during pay-per-view paper, you had to
pay for it. We actually went off the air.
They had a lightning strike right there close to the
building. It was off for maybe 30 minutes
or something and and they had torun a match out there and do
something. Yokozuna was standing back there
in the back and we were me and of course me and and Bulldog
were standing there. We're trying to stay out of the

(01:51:05):
way because nobody knew who we were.
We're trying to stay out of the way, you know, low key, but
there was some other guy standing there looking out the
curtain. So we walked up and started
looking out the curtain. I remember Rodney walked behind
us and said, you're a bunch of marks, get away from the
curtain, get the shit out of me and my buddies.
So, you know, we were, we were about ready to leave the
building at that point. But.

(01:51:26):
But but yeah, I got, man, he wasa great guy, man.
Just unfortunate, you know, another one of them guys, man.
Just gone too soon, Yeah. That was that was beware of dog
in your house 8 Yep, where the where the lights went out last
last question. Boy, I know we we kept you super

(01:51:48):
long and I apologize. We're.
Having such a good time. You have a couple kids, so I
would I'm going to assume you'vebeen married.
Where do you what? What's the line?
Would you ever take a shit whileyour wife was in the hour
'cause? Why somebody on this podcast?

(01:52:10):
It was an. Emergency.
It was an. Emergency.
I've been married 27 years. There ain't much we done in
front of each other. So yeah, you know, I mean, it
wouldn't be my first choice, butif all the bathrooms are tied up
and then that's some, you know, well, our house we had I think 4
bathrooms. And I'm like, how, how the hell
can all these bathrooms be tied up at one time?

(01:52:31):
But inevitably it, it happens. And yeah, I mean, if you had to,
you had to. I'm with.
Look. You wouldn't.
You wouldn't do that to one of your kids though, would you?
Oh yeah, in a heartbeat. Yeah.
Trust me, they've done it to me.Oh yeah, the kids are more
accessible. Yeah, preference.

(01:52:53):
They've done it to me, so yeah, I wouldn't think twice about it.
Kyle, is there anything you'd like to ask Mr. Buchanan before
we let him go? You've been really.
Quiet over there. No, I was just, I was letting
him do his thing. I I was a big b ^2 guy back in
the day. Yeah.
I mean, you were there with JohnCena.

(01:53:14):
Like he, he was there for like ayear or so, was kind of
floundering, and then all of a sudden he gets paired with you
and his ascent kind of begins. So I think it's fair to say that
all of his success is probably due to you.
Is that correct? Well, you could say that, but I
don't know how many people wouldbelieve it.
No, he honestly man, I, you know, I knew pretty quick that

(01:53:36):
that he was going to Now I did not.
I don't think anybody could really know that he would be, he
would turn into what he did. But I knew that he was going to
be successful just because we started.
I saw him first out in California.
He was working for a batsman outthere, I think.
And he would come to dart matches and you know, the first,

(01:53:57):
like the first one, he was, he wasn't bad, but you still kind
of rough around the edges. And we'd come back in, you know,
3-4 months, we'd come back out and do a show maybe in LA or San
Diego somewhere. And he'd do another dark match
and he'd get a little better andhe'd get a little better.
And then I ran across than OVW. He looked like a, of course he,
he's always, but even, but at that time even more so, he

(01:54:19):
looked like $1,000,000. I mean, just, you know, you, you
see any pictures of him back then, he was even, he was even
more exact than he is now. He's a bodybuilder, right?
Yeah, I mean, he was a competitive bodybuilder, but I
didn't know if he could, if he could call.
And then once I saw him and I would be W and I saw, you know,

(01:54:40):
you now never know. You can never tell for sure
because like I said, it meant a lot of good talent has fallen
between the cracks. A lot of guys, I thought during
my time there, I saw guys come through and I thought, man, they
are going to make it and they just never, it never clicks and
then never get the chance or whatever.
But so you never know for sure. But I had a feeling he's going

(01:55:02):
to do good. And you know, we got and so when
I got back on the road before they put us together, I was
already, I was doing DART matches and I was doing the
house shows, which was great because you know, that was a ton
of money back then. So I was back on the road doing
that. And me and Devon, of course, you
know, me and Devon and Bubba, you know, with me and Ray and

(01:55:23):
then me and Godfather, you know,we'd work together just a a ton
over the last, you know, 2-3 years, we'd work together a
bunch. So we got to be friends.
And when it split him and Devon up, me and Devon Shelton
Benjamin were riding together and they he was Batista was was

(01:55:46):
doing Devon, you know, he was collecting the money for Devon.
That's when they were doing the Reverend Devon.
They were doing that whole thing.
And we were riding one night andwe I think we were going to
Mohegan Sun up in New York. And I remember Dave sitting
there saying that he was worriedthat they were going to let him
go. And I said, you crazy?
And I'm going to let you go, man.

(01:56:07):
And but, you know, he was like, yeah, I mean, I don't, you know,
they're, you know, they're kind of OK.
We don't know what to do with you.
This might be your land. Like I said, it was a time when
guys were getting I you know, I got, I got a couple, I got
several shots. I got, you know, and one always
grace gimmick. But, you know, you got to make

(01:56:29):
chicken chicken salad out of chicken shit.
Sometimes that's that's kind of your job, so you can't really
complain about the gimmick. You just take it and do the best
you can. But, you know, I just, I
couldn't see that. And then I was surprised to find
out that John kind of felt that way too.
But you know, when Stephanie heard him doing that rap, that's

(01:56:49):
that's how it happens. And, you know, I was walking
backstage and I think me and Shelton Benjamin walking
backstage, I had no idea how, you know, I saw what he was
doing, but one of the riders come up and said, hey, yeah, you
going to be with him? I said, well, So what am I?
And his is that? And I don't know who this guy
was. I mean, he was a small white,
small white guy. And it sounded so absurd coming

(01:57:13):
out his mouth. But he said, oh, you don't.
You're going to be his. The quotation marks, homie.
Now, I remember looking at Shelton and Shelton looked at me
and we were just like, OK, all right.
So but then, you know, they kindof laid it out more like, OK,
it's a bodyguard. But me and John got talking
about it. And then me and Shelton got

(01:57:34):
talking about it. And I thought, why not take this
in a different direction? And because, I mean, you know,
white guy being a rapper is is comedy.
You know, it's it's it's irony, it's comedy.
And that's what it was back then.
You know, me and Shelton Benjamin were on and I just

(01:57:54):
bought, just had bought. I had brought it on that tour
because back then, you know, like I said, it's a different
time. You had to actually buy
something and put in something to hear music.
So I just bought the new Eminem CD and it dawned on me and
Shelton Benjamin were going out to look for, you know, some kind
of get up. And it dawned on.
I said Slim Shady because I was a few, I was a huge Eminem fan

(01:58:15):
and I said Slim Shady. That's it.
The white beater, you know, the,the, the pants, the whole, the
whole ideal was basically Slim Shady.
So that's the way we went with it.
And I mean, I, we had a good time.
I mean, I enjoyed the hell out of it.
I think John did too. You know, we, they were pretty,
they let us, he let, they let him kind of do what he wanted to

(01:58:38):
on the wraps and some of them onthe House shows were, I mean,
some of them are pretty, pretty brutal.
On. Some of them were pretty brutal
on TV. Some of those he did with Indian
Chavo. You know, I was like, have you
run this by them? Are they OK now?
I guess we'll find out when we get out there.
But but no, it was great. And you know, and a good dude

(01:59:00):
too, you know, he, he didn't, you know, he didn't come from
money. He wasn't a rich guy getting
into this. He was out there in California
basically living, drive his car at some points and, you know,
just clawed and scratched and, and succeeded.
I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a success story because, you know,

(01:59:23):
up to the point when up to the point where he started rapping,
you know, nobody had had really given him anything.
I mean, he, he went out there and worked for it and, you know,
he got a shot, he took advantageof it.
He got the OVW, he got a shot down there.
He took advantage of it and he got up on TV and honestly, you
know, I think it happened on that European Tour, you know,

(01:59:45):
when he was rapping in back of the bus, he saw a shot and he
took it and here we go. Couldn't happen to a better guy,
I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
He's a good dude, you know, downto earth guy.
You can tell by the way he treats fans and you know, the
the Michael Wish stuff. Good dude.

(02:00:08):
That bull. You're a good dude.
We, we appreciate you. You took way, way so much time
tonight. We would love to have you back
anytime you want to shoot the shit.
We didn't even scratch the surface.
There's so much we could talk about with.
You. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, any, any time you have to promote bullpen or you just
want to come on and shoot the shit, you have an open

(02:00:28):
invitation. If you could throw bullpen Pro
wrestling into YouTube or Instagram the the promotional
show up, give it a follow. Bull's doing great stuff down
there and check it out. Support them, Bull.
Anything you want to leave the fans with before we let you go.
Just man, I, you know, I appreciate it.

(02:00:49):
Like I said, I mean, I was, I was a kid from Georgia.
I had no, I had no dreams of, of, of doing what I did.
And, you know, just appreciate the fans still appreciate them
still coming out today. It amazes me, you know, people
still today are talking about stuff I did 30 years ago.
That's, that's, you know, that'sa, that's a real blessing.

(02:01:10):
I mean, when you do something that that matters in, in, in
folks life, you know that you that you can tell when they talk
to you, when they're telling youabout that time that they met
you, you know, in Owensboro, KY,at the, at the Walmart, you can
tell that it meant something to them.
So you know that that means something to me.

(02:01:30):
Know that I made a made a small difference in somebody's life.
So just appreciate it. We appreciate you both.
Like I said, anytime you want tocome back on the show, we'd love
to have you, man. Yes, I'm here guys.
I appreciate y'all having me. Well, you have yourself a happy
holiday and a happy New Year andwe'll talk down the road.
Yep, sign to you guys. Thanks a lot.

(02:01:51):
Thanks, Bo. Merry Christmas guys.
Merry Christmas. All right.
We got to, we got to do this now, right?
We're going to go there four guys.
All right, hold on. Four guys, all right.
Oh yeah. I had to get you guys involved.
Yeah, he just, he was Handle it himself, man.

(02:02:13):
Yeah. Yeah, he was great.
He was fantastic. Yeah, he's a great guy.
Stop it buck, you creeper. Would you have that one in the?
Have that one in the queue there.
I think, I think Buck was waiting for Mr. Buchanan to
leave. I don't think he probably
started this. Shit, Buck's a gentleman after

(02:02:34):
all. I didn't, I, I, I was very, I
wanted to ask about being in Japan with PJ, but I felt like,
no, you must. Take everybody into the dark
recesses of our minds. Come on.
Can I go take a piss? Does anyone else No.
Yeah, you can. We're gonna fucking.
I got a tinkle as well actually.We don't think.

(02:02:55):
Morphs. Brendo and and and Tony, you can
handle this for like a second, right?
Yeah, sure. Yeah, we did a whole show by
ourselves. Yeah, what the fuck, invalids.
Invalids. No Incomplete.
With the door open. Yes.
You have to leave your cameras on though.
That's fine. OK, I'm going to pee right here.

(02:03:16):
It's got a stadium, pal. Yeah.
It's like a fucking astronaut just going to piss his fucking
suit. Oh, Kyle got some sexy legs
there. Hell yeah.
Wait, did, did. Fucking did.
Matt, go downstairs. Yeah, did Waddle T fucking make
a right instead of fucking goingbackwards?
He didn't. He didn't have to piss.
He's got a fucking hot one in the chamber.

(02:03:37):
He's just waiting to let it go. That will be cannon.
He was something else, man. Yeah, that was that was fun.
He's got a a lot of stories, that's for sure.
I told I told Double T I'm goingto be updating our guest list on
the website because I haven't done so in quite a long time.
Since episode 715 we've had about 40 or 45 more guests,

(02:04:00):
which is about a guest a week, so I have a lot of updating to
do. That's amazing 'cause it
consider it feels like 40 or 45 guys have cancelled since then
too. Yeah, you know what?
That that's a true statement. But there was a streak for a
while where we had a guest like every fucking week.
It was crazy. Yeah, yeah, that.
You know what it was when BAE had his show and the GCW hammer

(02:04:22):
sign stuff, we were just gettingeverybody as we could on There
was like week after week after week.
Yeah. And plus we also had our our
14th anniversary, so we had about six or seven people
joining us for that thing. But most of those are repeat
guests, you know, So it's just amatter of just adding to their
existing profiles, so. Very true.

(02:04:42):
All right. All right, Kyle's back, Kyle.
Love the legs by the way. Double T.
Did you decide on purpose to exit stage right to go tinkle?
Yes, I don't like you fucking guys talk shit about me when I
walk away. Look at this fuck.
Shit about me when you're here. Yeah, we talk shit.
Brondo and I were just like, didhe just go to the right?

(02:05:05):
Yeah. Did you go pee out the window or
something like that? No, I went.
To the bathroom. I just didn't turn the light on.
I don't need you fucking jerk off.
Did you piss like a bitch? Jesus Christ.
Well, Speaking of bitches, HK will be back with us next week.
We're going to be celebrating Christmas proper.
I guess we're also going to be drafting our 2026 death pool, so

(02:05:28):
we have that to look forward to.I got a segue with that.
Speaking of peeing out the window, I was on with the ring
upon our river. You guys, I'll be on this week
if you want to listen to a watchalong of Final Battle for three
hours, Final Battle 2015. Oh yeah, we're going to watch a
whole a whole show. JA JA JA it.

(02:05:51):
Was a JA JA JA a good time? What?
Can I? It was.
What was the main event of that 115?
It was AJ Styles and Jay Lethal.It's.
A very good main event I. Like it?
Yeah, also, Matt even blows out his leg completely.
Is that Matt Taylor or TK Orion?No, no, Matt Haven did it first.

(02:06:15):
Gotcha. When we come back on what is it
January 4th, 5th, that Monday 5th, 5th, January 5th, we're
going to be announcing the 2020 sixth inductees into the Shining
Wizards Hall of Fame. Oh boy.
Yeah, we got a lot coming home, man.
And who do we have on the 12th? We got a guest on the 12th.

(02:06:36):
Don't. We too tough, too tough.
Tony fucking a Luna. 6 own too tough Tony.
Fuck yeah. Isn't he the isn't he the JCW
champion as well? Didn't he?
I know. Didn't Cardona beat him for it?
I don't know if. They should, yeah.
Did he? Yeah, that's right.
Cardona put all the shit out with him as the champion so.
Triple T and double T on one show?

(02:06:57):
That's crazy. Fucking A.
And then KKK up there, huh? Oh.
Boy, what are you saying, dog? I think you missed an H on that
well. Played.
Sir. The Street Team SJ is going to

(02:07:20):
be at WPW's cold out show mercy January 22nd, an AW double shot
of dynamite collision April 1st and I feel like there's
something else and I thought shesent it to me.
But I'll meet you from the discord.
Will you knock it off? The new what?
Chant worst. What?
What Goddamn pal? Goddamn.

(02:07:46):
Quake like duck? Can you quack?
And you quack. Like a duck when you suck.
Can you sit on my balls when we fuck?
Can you? Shit on my chest for good luck.
Found it OK. Why can't you quack?
Like a dog? No, the street.

(02:08:08):
Team. SJ.
Will also be a golden bird it'll.
Be a WPW and WSO brawl in the hall at Sentinel Concert Hall.
What? Can I put the brawls in your
halls? Brawls in your halls.
Can I? Can I?

(02:08:30):
Sorry, shining wizard choir here.
Can I put my brawls in your hall?
Good. Keep going.
What else? That's.
Hanging in the bird. No I just read it all.
The 22nd of January called out for Snow Mercy WPS O Brawl in

(02:08:53):
the Hall February 4th and then AW Dynamite Collision taping
April first. Follow the street team at Wizard
St. for all St. team information.
They're giving out merch and stickers and all sorts of
goodies. So check in with SJ and the
crew, they're doing a great job over there.
Wizard St. on the social media. We got a
patreonpatreon.com/wizard podcast, $1.00 a month supports

(02:09:14):
the show, $3 gets you access to all the bonus content.
We are dropping our third bonus show on Christmas and it's the
behind the curtain look at how we decide the name of the show.
So Tony has painstakingly gone through a couple months worth of
that and put together a great bonus show that'll be dropping

(02:09:35):
on Christmas. And if you sign up at the $3
level, you get access to that and all bonus show shows going
forward and the archive. So check that out.
And Christmas Eve tradition. Early Christmas Eve morning,
it'll be getting Mick Foley's rendition.
Twas the night before Christmas.That's a yearly thing we like to
put out. So get you into the holiday

(02:09:56):
spirit in the last 24 hours before Jesus is born.
Yeah, yeah, on that. I help him.
I help him throw it. Yeah.
He needed my help, said Matt. Help me, brother.
Help me, Jude. Oh, Joseph.
No, Mick. Oh, I thought you were
delivering the baby Jesus. Mixed I can I can deliver the

(02:10:18):
Jesus if you need me to. Hell yeah.
Nobody fucks with the Jesus. All I know is breathe, push and
get some wet towels. Every sitcom in the 70s and 80s
taught me that if you want to deliver a baby safely.
Was that how your child's birth was?
No, my child's birth was stressful.
Stressful. Yes, highly stressful.

(02:10:40):
For you or for her? For for both of us, when a
doctor goes here, put this on and wait in the hallway and they
just grab your wife and wheel her down the hall.
You're like, I don't know what'sgoing on here.
Yeah, you're like, thank God. Yeah, I.
Mean 17 years later he's still here.
So something worked out that day.
You didn't get threatened. By who?

(02:11:01):
The Doctor. No, your wife.
No, Yeah. What?
What movie was it with Christie?Ollie.
Was she else? Fuck my breathing.
The look who's talking. That was it, yeah.
We were playing Fortnite the other night.
I started going fuck me Santa, fuck me Santa.

(02:11:22):
And my kid goes, what are you saying?
I'm like bad Santa? You've never seen it.
He's like, no. And I'm like, yeah, you have.
To Oh, that's such a Christmas classic.
That's. A top three Christmas music or
movie. Yeah, on my head.
There was, there was a guy once,I shouldn't even be saying this.
There's a guy I worked with onceand he looked like, he looked
like what, what's his name? Tony Lee, the guy that plays the

(02:11:44):
dwarf in Bad Santa, the elf. And we were talking about
somebody that we worked with. I go, Oh yeah, I went to go see
Bad Santa and he explained it tome.
And the one dude like 3 seconds later he goes, whoa, that is so
fucked up. You know exactly who I was
talking about. Good times.
Oh shit. Is there anything else you got?

(02:12:08):
I know we're running late, it's a little way after 9:00 right
now. Is there anything you guys want
to talk about or we do homework?Oh I don't know, I got to wake
up at 3:00 and walk in a circle for 8 hours.
Somebody's got to do it in the States.
I would like to say MJF being back does nothing for me.
Nope, he regurgitates. He doesn't.

(02:12:29):
Because it's the. It's the.
Same thing I'm going to say, oh,where I'm going to pick on this
guy and I'm going to make reference to your failed WDWWE
Ron and I'm it's it's just the old hat.
Wait, who's he picking on this time?
He said something about swerve being it would be fab or some
stupid shit and he said made funof Samoa Joe.
It's just the same shit it does.I don't care.

(02:12:51):
I enjoyed it. Did you see the picture he put
out there with tits McGee from Horror Island where they were
dressed up for Hanukkah? I love that.
That fucking interview was stillone of my all time favourites.
His his wife. Yes, yeah.
You don't remember his interview.
And it wasn't even MLW. She used to do like that
interview show where she's like,I'm here with Tits McGee from
Horror Island and he just staresat the camera.

(02:13:13):
That's true love. Alicia.
Attoot attoot. She got a big old shit locker
too. All right.
Eddie, I think. She married him.
You think she married him just to get into the country?
No. Like fucking like Chelsea was
like, hey Alicia, I got another one of them fellas from Long
Island. Possible.

(02:13:37):
Completely, I wouldn't. I wouldn't rule it out.
I wouldn't rule it out, but she does have a nice hiney.
Sure. Toot toot, hey Brundo.
We can do a little 6-7 with Alicia 2 though.
He said 6-7. Bull said 6-7.
I was waiting for you to just like.
Oh do. This.
I missed it. Yep, I completely did.

(02:14:01):
Damn. The kids are accessible.
Shout out bull. Wrote that down, don't worry.
Oh. Shout out Buck, he's in the
chat. He's a.
Viewer What did Brundo say it? Kyle, did you have anything to
say about him, Jeff? Not a big fan of his hair, not a

(02:14:22):
big fan of the Lego hair all of a sudden.
But otherwise I agree. That's same old, same old bunk.
Is the is the Continental Classic the best it's ever been?
Yes. Absolutely.
I wish it had better steaks, butyes.
I'm with. Steaks.
Now I'm fucking starving. Riviera.
Yeah, we'll go bring it back. Ribiera or.

(02:14:45):
Ribiera. What's Ribiera?
That's something too, right? There's a Ribiera Steakhouse out
here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a steakhouse on the Rivierain France.
There you go. I can't believe Phobe Cannon
really says. Ideal.
Oh man, I could listen to him. Talk to her not idea you even
fucked up the slang. Live in the gimmick there.

(02:15:10):
His homie a sensational. I wrote that down.
You're going to be as. I had like 20 B squared
questions but it was already long so I didn't want to.
I was waiting for you guys to fuck it.
I forget that you're not. I didn't want to put it in the
private check because I didn't want him to see like the notice
of course. He'll see it.
So I texted Tony and Brunda likeif you guys have anything to say

(02:15:31):
can I ask? Him Some questions.
Yeah, I just, I don't know if Kyle's number I should have.
Included, by the way, Brian Thompson from Neck Breaker in
the crowd with us tonight. Hi, Brian.
And I'm Brian BT Brian, you don't.
Remember. Really.
Yeah, I remember. Fucking neck breaker, man.
Yeah. Best Continental classic this
they've ever done. This the next.

(02:15:52):
No, no, fuck off. Stop.
I'm just seeing Coolio fuck all the way off.
Fuck all the way off. I like it.
Are we going? To pick 'cause they got the

(02:16:12):
final semifinals and the final at the pay-per-view, I'll.
Have to discuss this after the day after Christmas.
That works. We have to find well, Double T
usually has all this shit written down.
Find out if we picked it last year.
Yeah, at the very least, we'll know.
We might have. Yes, we maybe we didn't pick the

(02:16:33):
finals. No, we did.
We we did it like if you didn't pick the guy that wins, fuck
you. You lost another point, or you
didn't. Get it?
OK, that works. It's like you have a total
possible 3, but if you fuck up the first two, you're not
getting that third, you know? Yeah, that's how it works.
Just like, just like NCAA rules,your team goes out, you don't,

(02:16:54):
You don't get points later on. Yeah, but see, if we did that, I
don't want to. I don't want to go against
tradition. Tradition.
It's tradition. Sure, caught in his tradition,
he's the greatest tournament wrestler ever.
He's not having a great tournament.
Tony who? Gives a shit.
I do. It's anyone's game.

(02:17:15):
Oh, sure it is. Mike Bailey's going to fucking
win the whole thing. He could.
No, he can't. Yes, he could.
He's got enough points. Literally Mike Bailey have a big
head, big teeth. Big teeth, mouse.
Guard wearing mouth guard. Whatever is now.

(02:17:36):
I did not get to watch AW this week.
Oh boy, we're going along tonight, aren't we?
But. Is it my is there?
But there's a Dynamite Wednesday, right?
Yes. So there's Dynamite Wednesday,
and then the Christmas Collisionhas all the the Continental
Classic matches. They have to, they have to get
to the pay-per-view. So they got a book like 15 of
those matches. Well, everything they taped.

(02:17:58):
Everything this weekend at the Hammerstein.
Wait, so Wednesday's a tape show?
Yeah. Oh fuck.
Not going to run out for everybody.
No, no, no, don't spoil it. Don't spoil it.
Well, I'm going to spoil it because Mark Order ain't going
to do a show Wednesday anyway. Spoil it.
Come. On come on, we can pretend we're
the mark order. Alde said.
I was right. It was not deer.
Oh, I don't know what he's talking about.

(02:18:18):
Yeah, I know He's only from that.
Area Alabama and Georgian. Does he have a Louisiana black
snake? I don't know.
Ask you know him. Probably he's a giant man,
throws a giant penis. But is it a black one?
Look at him. Probably not.
Well, you never know. Unless he just left that out to
Tan. Tone it.

(02:18:39):
If I take my drawers off, you can't see it in the dark.
Kyle, does your wife like what did you just do for three?
Your wife and you're like listento this.
She's used. To it.
She's coming home from work likefucking Brundo's wife.

(02:19:00):
Hey, let's put this on. My wife told me last week she
almost put in the chat, hey I'm going into the shower if you
need to use the bathroom. Which, by the way, I support it.
HK was giving you shit about thebathroom.
It was a pretty big bathroom. It was a pretty good distance

(02:19:20):
away. So like, what else are you gonna
do? Just shit on the floor?
My. God, handsome Kevin was like,
oh, it's a four tile distance. Shut up, I'll tell.
You it's taking I got a random text from Patreon supporter
Emily Brock Saturday. Quick question, is Brendo shower
clear glass, frosted glass or shower curtain?
Well, he's got a curtain. That's why I said it's a

(02:19:41):
curtain. So what she?
Say she's taken over. What'd she say?
All bets are off. Everything's good.
No, I don't. She must have been having that.
She wasn't with me. She's probably.
Fighting, having a conversation with somebody else about it.
Jesse was probably like, no way.I'm not shooting in front of
anybody. And Emily's like, So what?
You got to go, You got to go. She's a trooper.

(02:20:02):
Actually I have a question for the group.
Oh. Boy.
Have you guys ever, you know, your ladies peeing on the
toilet? Maybe you also have to pee?
Have you guys ever peed in between their legs while they're
peeing? No, that's a little weird.
Yeah, me neither. That's crazy.
No, you're gonna not with. You're gonna you just broke

(02:20:24):
handsome Kevin when he hears this.
It was like for fun though, likeit wasn't like, oh, I really
need to. It was like, oh, isn't this
silly, right it? Was for fun.
Your wife trusted you enough to let you try and piss between.
For funsies. Did you bank shot it?
Did she not clean the piss up off the toilet after you go in
there? Because you all, we all know

(02:20:45):
we're animals, y'all? I pretty much get most of it in
the toilet. So do I.
You know, sometimes you, you know.
You hit the abdomen and let it roll in.
Right. It'll fill the belly button.
Yeah, like done those clown games.
Like your head gets bigger. Was.
It the mic belly. I win the stuffed monkey, yeah.

(02:21:10):
That's. Oops.
Or whatever. Whatever noise it makes.
Oh, Jesus. Christ, it doesn't pop.
She looks like that fucking dudefrom the fucking Bangladesh.
In short of the show, no. Promised you for that though,
good for you. Yeah, good on you.

(02:21:31):
It's good to try at least once. It's a good, it's good team
building. Team building, OH.
Is that what it is? Team building exercise.
Yeah, it's like a ropes course, but different.
Not the kind of ropes I was thinking of, my friend.
Yeah. I think it'd be weird if she
came in and peed between your legs while you were sitting.

(02:21:52):
Now that'd be hot. Yeah, I don't know if that's.
She would have to sit on top of you.
It would be like an AC Slater thing.
I think there's a way it's, I think it's called the Cobra,
where they can kind of like manipulate it and.
No, she'd have to sit. She'd have to sit on the bowl,
like facing the tank, like, you know, just kind of sit on your

(02:22:13):
lap that way. Sure, kind.
Of like you could snuggle all your pissed together.
Staring at each other's. Eyes, Oh my God, lovingly.
And then you just start making out while you hear.
Across the streams. Just hear the echo of a liquid
shit underneath. Then you realize it's hers.
Yeah, Where does that go? Well, that's the whole thing.

(02:22:36):
Down the leg. Yeah, you turn into a Cosby.
You got a pudding pop? Whoa, better than the other way.
It would be a Cosby. Fuck a duck Black clack, am I
right? That's a fucking homework.
Anyway, Speaking of shitting down our legs, Black brain.
Yeah, there you. Go.
Blow up this banner. I got to do that banner.

(02:22:58):
Not breaking news. There we go.
Wait, I know where to edit this for the YouTube channel?
Breaking news that shit down theleg.
Oh, gravy leg do the gravy leg do the gravy leg.
Goblin. Tony.
Tony, you took us back to Impactof 2007.

(02:23:19):
The Silent Night, Bloody Night, Barbed Wire, Christmas Tree
Match with Relic Abyss, Shark Boy and Black.
Fuck yeah I did. Why?
Well the impetus was I was looking for Christmas matches
and I thought the mistletoe on apole Divas Divas match was a

(02:23:39):
little too short and not not very well developed for a
homework segment. However, I casted a wide net.
Didn't realize this entire episode of Impact was a
Christmas base, but the one thatcaught my eye was the barbed
wire Christmas tree. So when in Rome, do as the
Romans do. And I went with this one because

(02:24:00):
I found it interesting and I watched it and I found it
interesting. I need to know how did TNA get
away with having a white dude RIP off fucking the great muda?
Straight RIP off the great muda.How do you know he was a white
dude? He was in a mask.
He was not wearing a shirt or long pants.

(02:24:23):
I could see his white pasty skinwith his very memorable tattoo
on the arm giving away who he is.
This is right after he came fromall Japan working from the great
Muda too so. Was he doing like a was he doing
like a an evil muda while he wasin Japan?
I don't think so. I think he wasn't on East

(02:24:44):
Amboli. Yeah, he was the great Gouda.
Can we write that down please? Oh yes, we can.
I mean, I don't know and it's the fucking dummy spits the mist

(02:25:05):
before the match starts. Why?
Like yeah, he had it loaded up. He could have used it on Shark
Boy. What an asshole.
This is why he was never a champion.
I'll point out some things to start before I toss it to you
guys. Oh you know what?
Fuck it, let's let's toss it to you guys first.
I'll let you guys give me your piece.
OK, just for some clarity, I didfind out.

(02:25:26):
Following his release, Hugger began wrestling for All Japan
and then his friend Troy Endresswas portraying a fake great
muda. He had to retire after tearing
both of his anterior crucial ligaments and he nominated
Hugger to replace him. So he was the great Muda mask
guy and then he lost it Decemberof 2004 to Muda.

(02:25:51):
So he was doing a version of this relic gimmick.
Yeah, like 3-3 years before thismatch.
More. Did you know Relic is killer
spelled backwards? That's what they told me.
Shit, right? I feel like they never tell you
that. I'm more interested in creative.
Like who? Who asked him.
Like, hey, you still got that Muda mask at home, why don't you

(02:26:14):
bring it? I got an ideal.
By the way, there were two people in this match that spit
out red liquid. Like, you got to figure that
out. You can't have two guys doing
that. One of them wasn't in the match
but I got I pick. Up, but he was in the yeah he
was in the segment. Yeah, you're right.
I I. Spilled it out either he kind of
just dribbled it. Yeah.
How did shoot? Him.

(02:26:34):
Into this equation. Someone's going to lose.
That's a great question. They said something about like
Matt Morgan punishing him, but he's already beaten up, but now
he's got to be in this match. So I guess Matt Morgan was
booking at this point. I don't know.
He probably won like commissioner on a pole or

(02:26:55):
something like that a couple weeks earlier.
So this this whole thing aligns with the timeline of my podcast
when on the TNA that I'm covering.
So I already watched this just by myself a few weeks ago,
watched it again and man, yeah, it was just as good as I
remember, which was not that good, but you.

(02:27:15):
Have any? Wait, Kyle, do you have any of
the back story as to what was going on like getting into this
match? Like I know we got the whole
thing with with the evil guy with fucking Macias and all
this. I don't even know.
What James Mitchell? Mitchell, I don't know what's on
him at this point, but go. Ahead So this whole episode,
this whole episode was very muchlike almost non Canon, 'cause it

(02:27:35):
was a Christmas episode, it was on Christmas.
So they had this match. There was a steel cage with like
Christmas lights on it. There was a a women's match that
it was like. Women's.
Woman's and there was like a trunk with presents in it and
there's weapons in there too. So it was all like goofy and
campy and like in between all these matches there was like a

(02:27:57):
Christmas party backstage that was happened.
Jeez, Eric Young was hosting it.He was waiting for Santa to come
and Samoa Joe destroys everything.
So it was very much like just a silly like low brain power
episode, which is most of what TNA is, but back then, yeah.
So going into this match, I mean, yeah, they're obviously

(02:28:18):
they're building on the Abyss Judas Macias thing, which is
like the main story, which at this point, James Mitchell has
just broken up with Abyss has got a new creature from the pits
of hell, Judas Macias. And then and James Mitchell also
has, he knows that Abyss has a secret that he avoids telling

(02:28:39):
everybody, and he's trying to get him to tell the secret.
We don't know what the secret is, but Judas Messias is here to
kind of beat the secret out of him.
And then Shark Boy's here. So let me ask you this then,
what is the thought process if anyone can answer?
Why not just put Macias in a match with a barbed wire fucking
Christmas tree against abyss andjust make it a straight up

(02:29:00):
one-on-one? Let them beat the shit out of
each other instead of fucking giving us Relic, which is killer
spelled backward by the way, andShark Boy and a festively plump
Black Rain. Also like what it seemed on
commentary were they explaining that Black Rain and and Relic
were like working to like they were one in the same?

(02:29:24):
Did I make that up? They were A tag team, I think.
So why are they in it together? Black Rain and I quote, or I'm
sorry, Relic is Black Rain's deep, deepest, darkest
nightmare. That's the extent of the
character explanation of Relic. They don't really explain who
Relic is, why he's aligned with Black Rain and it's like, OK,

(02:29:46):
he's like kind of an extension of Black Rain, but then why is
Relic trying to break up the pinof black rain pitting the guy?
Like why is Relic when a win over black but it it not a lot
of this made sense. Black Snake Allen Day asks.
But does James Mitchell bring his own 8 ball for the Christmas
show? He.
Very. He should have.
He should have they. The tree was in the middle of

(02:30:08):
the ring and then all the present, all the weapons were
wrapped in presents. They completely missed shark boy
taking out or no killer taking out the relic whatever his
fucking name is. They completely missed him
opening the first present cause abyss and and.
Black rain. Black Rain were fighting outside
the ring so they missed that andit was a Golf Club it looked

(02:30:28):
like and then Shark Boy hit Relic with it and that the club
head fell off. He hit him so hard.
Hey MB wants to know was shark boy in the Prince justice
brotherhood with super Eric and Curry man?
Not quite yet, no, not. Quite yet, OK.
We're getting there. Somebody on this panel that
could answer that question blowsmy mind.

(02:30:49):
So Shark Boy has been bandaged up and then cast it up for like
months at this point. It's like a running gag because
he got beat up by the Dudley boys.
He got put through a table and then hit with a chair and then,
so now he's been injured for a long time.
I don't know when, when, when hedoes, when he starts doing the
stone cold thing. I think that's soon after this,

(02:31:10):
but he gets. He gets concussed into that,
doesn't he? Or something.
That's very possible, yeah. What?
So shark boy looking kind of pudgy, all bandaged up Black
Rain, who looks like he ate black rain.
I mean, Relic looks good. You know, it's killer spelled
backward and and then Abyss and commentary really fucking

(02:31:33):
annoyed me. Commentary's supposed to like,
let the audience figure out what's happening, but when one
satchel comes out and they're like, is that the tax or is that
the glass? It's like, can't you just
fucking let him open the bag first?
Can't you just say, uh oh, he's got a bag?
This can't be good. Instead of fucking giving away

(02:31:55):
the pony, right? Or winning the pony, whatever.
And then the next bag comes out and they go, well, there's the
glass. We knew it was coming.
Fuck me running dude. So there's nobody.
Audience figures shit out? Let them fill in the blanks.
You fucking put the canvas in front of them, let them paint by

(02:32:16):
numbers, and then you could go. Oh.
Brother, now we got trouble. Now you can say there's tax, hey
Don, there's tax. And he goes for another bag and
he goes, well, we got tax in onebag.
I can't imagine what's going to be in this bag.
Let the audience think like, oh,I know it's going to be glass
because blah, blah, blah. They're doing stuff with tax in

(02:32:37):
glass. And then sure.
By the way, was that glass very shiny or was it just me?
That shit was sparkling like diamonds.
When it came out and fucking hitthe canvas.
I was like what kind of fucking fake ass glasses?
That's the bright lights of the impact zone, brother.
It just beams off of it. And on top of that, correct me
if I'm wrong, no one wound up going in the glass, did they?

(02:32:57):
No. So I think I can explain this at
this point, basically Abyss brings out the tax basically
every single match at this point.
Oh, why not? So it I'm not saying it's a good
reason, but at at this point when Abyss has a fucking
satchel, everybody knows it's going to be tax.
Story time. Yeah.

(02:33:19):
I was there's nobody in gross, no.
There's nobody in wrestling that's gone through more tax
than abyss and in the history probably at this point.
I heard a door open who just came in.
Nobody. Oh man, I heard a door.
I thought maybe somebody was coming in while Brenda was
shitting on. Those not in the.
Bathroom. That is his shower curtain, HK.

(02:33:40):
Jesus Christ. You know why?
Because I see the H and I see the K and that J is just kind of
like disappearing on my screen. Disappeared the elusive, elusive
J. Fucking A.
I'm just going to call him hand job from now on.
There was no Janice. Is Janice the thing yet in this?
Not yet. Yeah, but the baseball bat with
the barbed wire like. Janus has not been born, but you

(02:34:01):
know what has? Darkness Falls.
It's made an appearance in this match.
I don't know if you guys caught that.
Darkness falls on the stick. Darkness falls not a thing.
Yes, it's, it's, it's, it's likea, like a, like a, a pipe with a
big, with a big, you know. Yeah, Horn.

(02:34:24):
Yeah, Horn, Horn almost. It's it's Axe adjacent, Yeah.
It's a Pike. A Pike.
A crooked Pike, yes, but he never hits the guy with the
spike. He always hits him with like the
head of it, 'cause he's a big dumb idiot.
Weird. Sounds about right.
Speaking of eight balls, Dustin Rhodes at this time.
Jeez. This was AI mean.

(02:34:46):
It was an easy walk. It was short.
It's like 6 minutes I think. I give it that, yeah, I think
the intro's from just as long asthe match.
Oh. My God.
But I tell you what, though, they put some effort into like
having the fucking the Tron, whatever you call it, like
actually on the screen and then the guy walks to the ring.
I thought that was kind of neat.Yeah, that the the a hanging

(02:35:08):
Christmas tree with barbed wire.That's a lot of fun.
Deadly. Dangerous.
And Relic was able to stop himself when he got Irish
whipped into it by holding on toit.
A thing that was floating in theair.
He was able to stop by holding on to it.
That's why he's a killer. That, you know, Relic's killer
spelled backwards. I did not.
I was not. Aware.
I heard that once. I heard it on commentary.
Was that Don West and Mike TNA of.

(02:35:30):
Course it. Was.
Sure was, pal, Sure was it. Was fucking it was.
It was not as annoying as fucking Michael Cole and Stu
Bennett, but pretty fucking annoying.
Well, fucking. 01 last point. So Judas Macias comes out and he
fucks up abuse, then shark boy eats the pin.

(02:35:54):
Why would you not let fucking Abyss take the loss?
So he has more of a reason to get a revenge on James Mitchell?
Why not? It's TNA.
Yeah, my last note I wrote down.This is a mess.
This is TNA. I think that was their slogan in
2007. Not just 2007.

(02:36:17):
Yeah, we're. Your first year you have midgets
banging or banging off in a trash can, banging downhill.
Yeah, I've. Never heard it called banging
off. I think it.
Made that up. Midgets banging off sons of
bitches. I mean, for what it was, it was

(02:36:38):
fine. I didn't.
Yeah, it was a fun, silly match.It didn't really serve any.
Like it wasn't going to be an epic or a crazy.
Match. I've seen worse in TNA.
Yeah, you know what? I, I I had a couple lols.
I had a few chortles. I thought it was silly enough.
Yeah, I've, I, I do like that shark boy was hitting everybody

(02:36:59):
with weapons and then to take him down, he was doing that like
knee pressed against the head fall.
And that's finally what knocked everyone down while he was in
the ring. So yeah, kudos to him.
I can't. I can't believe Shark Boy was so
like his. He had such a lengthy career.
Oh. One last point, did you guys

(02:37:19):
notice fat honky tonk man slash Dean Ambrose in the crowd?
The guy with the fucking? The guy with the white wife
beater on? No, Oh my.
I. Did not catch it.
I'll have to watch it a third time, I guess.
Yeah, he's close to that to. Yourself.
He's behind the ring, but just off he's like to the right and
he stands the entire match. I swear to God.

(02:37:41):
It's honky tonk man with a whitetank top.
But he's got sort of like Dean Ambrose mixed in, too.
It's fucking. Hilarious.
Could have been Dean Ambrose. I only noticed it on my second
watching myself. I didn't catch him the first
time. Fuck it.
Awesome fake Dean Ambrose. Fucking awesome.
I think so. I'll give it a thumbs up, Tony.

(02:38:03):
Yeah, I do too. I I enjoyed it.
From what it was. Fake thumbs, yeah.
We got there. It wasn't.
It wasn't unanimous, but we got there.
Oh, I'm. Like the?
Shittiest jackhammer of all time, but yeah, big thumbs up
it. Was not the shittiest Jack.
It was not the best undertaker. Yeah, yeah.

(02:38:24):
Fairpoint. Fairpoint.
So for homework next week, I'm going to I'm going to use the
Peacock one last time for you guys and we're going to go back
to another December pay-per-view, WWE In Your House

(02:38:44):
seasons beatings and we're goingBret Hart, British Bulldog for
the WWF World Heavyweight Championship.
Nice. That is your home, yeah.
Simon I. Think it was in your house?
5 Brett Bulldog. I got to take the gimmick down.
I found. I found Dean Honkey.

(02:39:06):
I found Dean Honkey. All right.
Let me. Take the.
Banner down I I'm here, am I wrong?
Nope. He almost looks like fucking not
Will Mercy. Or Jesus mercy, yes.

(02:39:26):
Yeah, yeah. And what a fucking sad Christmas
tree. Jesus.
It had lights on it, but they weren't lit up.
How do you? Barbed wire.
Pine needles. It's barbed wire.
Well, you want ornaments on it, you Jack off.
Yeah, what if you ever fucking fall on a glass ornament that'll

(02:39:47):
fuck your day up? No, have you?
His wife fucking power bombs himinto the fucking Christmas tree.
I feel like it's definitely something some indie death match
thing. Is 100%.
I guarantee there's going to be 400 matches like that this
weekend around the country. Christmas chaos.
There's 40 Christmas chaoses going on between now and

(02:40:08):
Christmas. Eve.
Christmas Chaos Edish. Love it.
Kyle, why did you put the names of Kyle before we we wrap up,
man, What do you got coming up on the apron bump this week?
Well, I'm taking the rest of theyear off, but if anybody wants
to delve into my archives, got lots of old wrestling, all all

(02:40:28):
sorts of promotions. Promotions big and small across
four different decades. Go check it out wherever you
listen on YouTube. All that, all that jazz.
Well, we appreciate you sitting in being 4th Mike.
I hope you had a good time. Always, always appreciate the
invites. Bull was a hoot Hoot.
You guys were hoots. And yeah, hail Satan.

(02:40:52):
Now I'm thinking of Alicia Toots, 'cause you keep saying
hoots. I think a toot's still on the on
the mind so. Tony, you all in on the AEW
White Castle crossover? What is Wait wait, what is this?
You get a title if you buy some AW.
White No, you get what's the IT starts.
I think it starts tomorrow. A tournament?
Really. No, it's the AW bacon brawl

(02:41:14):
combo. Starts on the 27th and runs.
Off of January? Why?
Why are we putting bacon on fucking White Castles?
Why get 2 bacon cheese sliders? A Why?
Guess who's on the promo picture?
3 Wrestlers Tony Storm. No.

(02:41:39):
Jon Moxley. Yes.
Adam Page Yes. Dobby No, no.
Dobby, go back to the Joe What? Samoa Joe No, go back to the
Tony Storm area. Area.
Oh, mean it's not. You no.

(02:42:00):
Oh, Tamina Sharakawa, no. It's not me.
It's a Mercedes. Moon, yes, the money, yeah, of.
Course 'cause she looks like shefucking shits bricks fucking
eating White Castles fuck out ofhere.
Does she have her fucking 24 fake titles on the picture too?
It's. Yeah, good.
She's a fucking loser. You know, I was looking at

(02:42:22):
myself when I was talking to Bull Buchanan.
I think I'm rivaling her for fucking large forehead.
I really do. I mean, look at this.
Look at. This like 4 fingers.
That's a lot of fucking real estate there.
Or maybe it's like. Three fingers, it's like 4
tiles. That's a little that's I thought
you said 4 Kyles. I was like, that's mean.

(02:42:44):
Whoa, come on. Now what the fuck?
Dude, that dude. Wasn't even mean.
I know. I wasn't thinking for a combo
I'm in. No dude, what's wrong with the
fucking regular cheeseburger White Castles?
Nothing. Nothing wrong to improve on it,
but what's wrong with bacon? Bacon makes everything better.
No, no. What do you mean?

(02:43:05):
No. You know what?
You know what bacon goes on a BLT.
That's what make a. That's what makes a BL.
T So when you if you went to thesteakhouse and you were doing
Rodizio and they brought in a filet wrapped in bacon, you'd be
like, Nah, I'm good. No, cause 'cause that's the
gimmick. But a White Castle is a White
Castle. Why would you put bacon on a
White Castle? Would you put all he has?
Everybody has bacon burgers at this point, no?

(02:43:26):
But not. So you never, you've never
strayed from your an original White Castle or a White Castle
with cheese. You get just those things.
Yeah, I mean, I'll get the chicken rings, but that's a
side. Chicken rings never got like a
real thing. Chicken rings is absolutely a
real thing and. When he had chicken rings I
prefer. Yes, but that's not like a.
Real thing that's a made-up thing, I.

(02:43:49):
Consume them. They're not.
Fake, but there's no you can't. You're so like chicken.
Ring Farm. Are these Asian chicken wings
chicken? Wings.
Oh my God what the fuck Because the Asian guy said it but.
Cheese. You would never have a White
Castle cheeseburger with the jalapeno cheese, no.
That was actually really good. You wouldn't.

(02:44:12):
Have the I'd rather eat those burgers that fucking handsome
Kevin eats. So no ghost type of burgers
then? No, fuck no.
When I go to white man, I'm like, hey, you got jalapenos?
Fuck no. Give me four of them shits.
Load them up with onions. Yep, 4 double S onions.

(02:44:34):
No, not even double S dude, you're just asking for a fucking
coronary. I'm not dead yet.
But still, 4 singles. Come on.
And a plate of fries with the ketchup squirted all over the
top. That's and and a fountain soda.
Got to get the fountain soda. I usually get the milkshake.
See. Jesus Christ, you want me to

(02:44:54):
fucking strap a rocket to your back?
I'll aim you toward Hackensack. Jesus.
Don't fucking. Judge him, Tony.
I feel no, I'm I'm worried abouthim.
Why he's? Like I haven't like once a year
so. 4 double S and a cheeseburger to wash him down
good. Luck No 4 double S and a.
Milkshake. You're retarded.
Milkshake. Yeah, you probably gets another

(02:45:15):
one. Fucking.
Down with a cheeseburger. I blend it up.
What are you, Kyle? You got White Castles down
there. What do you?
Got no no, like I've been to White Castle, huh.
Crystals. No crystals.
I don't even know what that is. What the fuck do you?
Yeah, what do you? We got what do we got over here?

(02:45:36):
We got Popeyes, we got Bojangles.
Bojangles. Tard what?
Burger joint, not fucking chicken places.
They got burgers there, I think.Burger places, we got.
Hardee's we got. I don't think we got anywhere
fun. Five Guys, Five Guys.

(02:46:01):
Yeah, I went to White Castle once.
Not impressed personally, but. Impressed.
All right, I. Guess so.
We used to 'cause they sell likethe frozen White Castle things
here. No, I'm saying, 'cause I had
those as a kid, then I went to California, had a real White
Castle. That's not the same thing.
The same thing the. White Castle's not real.

(02:46:24):
Or is whatever it was Nevada, maybe I don't remember it was
somewhere over there had a WhiteCastle.
It was like just the same as like a frozen one that you can
find at a. No, not true, because they don't
put Pickles on the ones that youget frozen.
I'll buy my own Pickles. Not the same.
They like them apples. Not the same.
I bet, I bet they are, but they're close.
You know. I'll I'll tell you something.

(02:46:45):
Romantic hand job. I did that on purpose.
White Castle, I don't know if they did it last year, but they
had a gimmick where you can. Tony.
You can reserve a table for Valentine's Day and take your
best gal for table service. White Castle.
You'll get a linen tablecloth with like little frilly stuff on

(02:47:05):
it. You get like a little fucking
flower on your table. They have candles and they set
the mood lights. It's so tempting every year.
I know. Never did it.
So you know, I'm still married. Of a little, you know, Co
diarrhea at the same time. What better way to celebrate our
love, yeah? On your lap, canoodling on the

(02:47:26):
fucking on the throne. There's a gobbler for you.
Yeah, it's a good gravy all overthe place.
I I agree. Love gravy.
Love. Gravy writing that down.
Love gravy. We hope everybody has a safe,
happy, healthy holiday. Enjoy your time with your family
and friends and if even if you just spend it alone.

(02:47:47):
Don't spend it alone, Paul. Us.
No, don't. I'm going to give out Handsome
Kevin's phone number. Well, you don't even know how to
answer. That anyway.
The reason for the season is pleasing and somebody's sucking
my Dick. Well said HK, Well said.
He he he really likes getting his Dick sucked.
Huh. Yeah, I think he talks a big

(02:48:08):
game. Yeah.
Dude, I bet you he he talks about his nuts.
I bet you he's got a fucking hogand 1/2.
Somebody's sucking my Dick. I bet you they got to fucking
get down on the floor to fuckingreach the tip.
In the bathroom. Fuck yeah dude.
Anywhere you want brother. And he?
Looks like a black labs Dick. If he fucking walked that circle

(02:48:30):
in the basement with no draws on, it's probably like a fucking
one big ring in the middle of his feet steps.
Hey, motherfucker. He needs the wheelbarrow like
South Park. I just got a hippity hoppity on
his nuts. Bring me the balls that I
remember. I want the my, my balls from
Emory, right? I want this balls.

(02:48:53):
This balls all right? Are we done?
It's fucking 10:00. I'm fucking tired.
Jesus Christ. Yeah.
Well, you get to do a lot all right.
Fucking Double T will do this all fucking night.
I keep putting that thing up. Who wants The Who wants the the
pleasure to say goodnight to my mom tonight?

(02:49:14):
Oh fuck it, I'll do it alright. Brendo, you're up.
And with that, let's cue that motherfucking music.
And fucking stutter over that, can you?
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(02:49:34):
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(02:49:56):
Good. Good night Diana.

(02:50:16):
I think I'd have to fuck hardcore Holly.
How about these are real ladies?Man, I almost had to reset the.
Clock ha ha ha fucking. Loser.
I am the cat Comer. Fucking whore.

(02:50:44):
Yeah, motherfucker. Yeah, I'm into wearing shirts
that pee pee. I have a small Dick.
Hey take a look at this ass wall.
He's fat. I was expecting to get at least
a little bit more of a hammeringon Saturday.
Oh shit. God you dude.

(02:51:06):
I am so backed up, God damn. Spend the next 45 minutes on the
fucking porcelain throne, praying to the gods of fucking
anal openness. Grab his Dick and twist it.
And the Benoit, that shit. Correct.
Ding no. No, had no interest in seeing

(02:51:30):
any of that. You have AIDS that would hurt.
No, Fuck no. I was going to say that those
were some dead eyes there. I love the big package.
Not let's put up what? Didn't RE6 what?
The fuck? Did you do?

(02:51:53):
Lots of foods in the porch there.
You cock sucker. Sexy Kevin and me too.
Oh my. Like a needle threw like a like
a vulva. Ligament bowls.

(02:52:14):
Kind of, you know, you are kind of into weird stuff.
Merry Christmas you filthy fucks.
Hard to live my life. Shit.

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