Week 9 Recap, Week 10 Preview

Ben fills in for Cecil, recapping NFL week 9 and previewing NFL week 10 with Joe!

Episode Transcript

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Hello, and welcome to the Thirdand the Don Football Show. I am
Joe and with me always is wellnot Cecil Walker. It is Ben Hendricks
are a resident Packers fan at thegame House. You've probably heard us mention
some of his wild takes on thisshow before. It still says Cecil Walker
on the video that we're going tohave up there because we don't want to
create a new graphic. But Cecilis on his honeymoon, could not be

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reached. Apparently there are things thatare bigger than football. But Ben,
how are you doing? I'm well, if you don't know me, I'm
the vice president of sports content hereat the game House, one of Cecil's
good buddies and his and his goto for actual, actual deep movie information.
You know, he just sort oftrades trivia with other people and he

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can talk about film with me.So that's those are those are my that's
my resume. Well, we'll seeif Cecil's listening to this podcast when he
gets back and mentioned something about himbeing the film buddy. But we'll let's
get this, Let's get this thingstarted. We had a interesting week of
NFL games to go over. Thefirst one was on Thursday, night.

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I was at cecils rehearsal dinner,so I was watching this from a bar
in the first half and came backand watched, you know, the second
half from home. It was theTitans at the Steelers. The Steelers get
the win twenty to sixteen. Youknow, Will Levis there's his first you
know, pick that wasn't the greatestthing for him. Pittsburgh, on the
other hand, they get the win. They always seem to win these games.

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But they also have George Pickens blowingup on the sidelines because Deontay Johnson's
getting the targets or something. Idon't know. So Mike Tomlin has handled
these personalities before with Antonio Brown andlive Yon Bell and Ben Roethlisberger. But
George Pickens is going nuts. Butthey get the win and go to five
and three, and because Mike Tomlinalways gets to five hundred, these are
the type of games you win throughthat you nailed it. The Steelers find

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a way to win games they shouldprobably lose. That's sort of what they
do. And they play up tobetter competition and down on two worst competition.
No interceptions for Kenny Pickett, onlyone touchdown, though no touchdowns for
Will levis only one interception. Andwhat Joe didn't mention is not only did
Kenny Pickett go crazy on the sidelines, he also unfollowed a lot of people

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within the Steelers organization on Twitter andthen took his Steeler stuff out of his
bio and and him in a Steelersuniform. Of his avatar is a little
Twitter avatar, So that was aJoe can speak to this a little bit
more, but that was his mainconcern coming out of high school was he

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was already an NFL level divo widereceiver in college, and now we're seeing
that already in a bad offense.I don't feel like anybody's going to,
you know, hang me out todry for saying that it is a is
a very rudimentary bad offense. JalenWarren's coming alive a little bit to get

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to five hundred, just because that'ssort of what they do. Oh absolutely
sorry. It looks like there's sometechnical difficulties of some delays of internet or
something. But yes, Ben andI both have people who are close in
our lives that are Steelers fans,so we always kind of have a little
bit of us rooting against them.Just for spite or whatever. George Pickens
does have that diva mentality. Thatwas the thing on his draft profile that

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we kind of talked about. Well, they kind of said that he's kind
of crazy at Georgia. You know, we'll see what happens in the NFL.
And you thought maybe going to aprogram like the Steelers or you know,
would get them worked out because they'veworked out so many people before.
But I guess the important thing isthey get to win the stay at five
and three, and you know,for someone who's living in Cincinnati, it's
not really you know, they don'tscare me that much, which is the

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good thing to have. Is likethey're they're kind of this middle of the
pack team and that's fine, butwith that offense the way it is,
as you mentioned, they have JalenWarren coming on and that's great, but
like Kenny Pickett's just maybe not theguy and that's something they'll have to live
with. So and I'm sure we'lltalk a little bit more about this,
but CJ. Stroud as a rookiealready has more touchdown passes than Kenny Pickett

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in his third year. But what'sto be said about the Steelers other than
I'm not sure we talked about theirdefense. It's still good, but extremely
extremely turnover reliant. They do giveup yards and they need those turnovers to
look like a championship defense. AndI know it's sort of I'm splitting hairs

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on that one, but it you'renot always going to get those turnovers with
the better quarterbacks, especially in theplayoffs, and halfway through the season that
I'm probably gonna end up saying thisa lot is what we're looking forward to
at this point. We know theteams that are bad, and we know
the teams that are going to befighting for the playoff spots. So onto
the Titans, though, what doyou think about your Kentucky guy, Will

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Levis? I think he showed inthis game that there are some highs and
some lows. He made some reallygood throws and he's definitely given them more
than Ryan Tannehill. But as mentioned, he doesn't read the whole field all
the time and he makes some baddecisions and that's where the pick comes in.
Although you know that they really inthe last drive, they were running
the ball so much that they kindof had to throw it on fourth and
long, and that really, Ithink put him in a bad position too.

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Seems like Mike Rabel maybe isn't thebiggest fan of him quite yet,
which makes no sense to me becausehe looks like he's the best chance to
win. But you know, MikeRabel, Arthur Smith with Atlanta, maybe
they just don't like using their bestplayers. I don't know. So we
have the Steelers five and three,now the Titans three and five with Will
Levis as you mentioned, maybe somethingto watch down the stretch here. Both
teams have a lot to play fora lot to watch. Let's move on

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to the Sunday games, Ben.We have the first one in Frankfurt,
Germany. We have the Chiefs beatingthe Dolphins twenty one to fourteen. Not
usually defensive slugfest is what you wouldexpect from these two teams. But it
kind of was that way. TheChiefs get started early, they kind of
before halftime, they go up toanyone nothing on a weird Tyreek Hill fumble
and then a lateral play where BrianCook takes it the rest of the way.

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Dolphins come back in the second halfand score fourteen points. But I
think this is this is twofold,and I guess you could go do this
with every game, but the Dolphinsstill haven't proven they can be a great
team in the NFL, and that'ssomething that people will be looking for before
they make their playoff picks or canreally believe in them as contenders. And
the Chiefs totally different team than lastyear. Their offense has had times where

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they struggle, but their defense isstepped up and they're able to run the
ball, which is totally new forthem. Yeah, absolutely the defense.
The defense is looking top three inthe entire NFL, which would scare more
NFL teams if their offense was clicking. But it's not fair to talk about
the defense being so good to immediatelygo to the offense. So what a

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lot of people are talking about isthe player that they got in the Tyreek
Hill trade through the draft. TrentMcDuffie is who forced the weird lateral fumble
on Tyreek Hill, which is aninteresting wrinkle, But of course you had

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to a missing Cedric Wilson on oneof the last plays of the game.
That's a bit overblown because it clearlywas a miscommunication. I don't think he
underthrew it that badly, But again, looking forward, to the playoffs.
This Chiefs offense still only scored fourteenpoints on what I believe is the twenty

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fifth ranked defense in the entire NFL. So like it, like it is
a problem. Patrick Mahomes is playingfine, He's always going to through two
touchdowns, no interceptions. But ifthey have two turnovers in a playoff game,
if they have three or more drops, which they seemingly always do,
it is an issue. But thatdefense is I hate it with his defense

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is bawling out though. Yeah,I guess the important thing here because they
did score what nine points against theBroncos last week. Two important thing for
them is they go into this bythen they come out of it and play
the Eagles. If they can playwell against the Eagles, at least with
that front seven out of the secondary'salways backed up for the Eagles, it
seems like that can kind of getthem on the right track. But I
think it probably speaks to you wouldrather have their defense playing this well and

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figured things out and have the offensebe the one that has to come on
down the stretch than anything else,because I actually trust their offense to figure
it out. If the defense isplaying poorly, I don't know if I
would trust them to get figured outenough to be at least this good.
I mean, yes, they've wonsuper Bowls before, but I don't think
they've ever had a defense as good. I don't think they've ever had a
running game this good, which kindof speaks to maybe Andy Reid's job to

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change things how things are going.And one last thought on the Dolphins,
Ben, there's a lot of peoplewho think they're frauds because they haven't been
anyone good. I mean, there'sonly nine games into the season, and
I would say they've only had abouttwo or three chances so far. Obviously
the Chiefs and the Bills, we'retwo of them. But I guess now
we can't even say the Bills area great team because they're around five hundreds.

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So what do you think a fraudsor not? I frauds is an
extremely strong word. What I usefor the litmus test of fraud in the
recent NFL is last year's Minnesota Vikings. Who was it last year? It
was two years ago? One hurtyou? Yeah? The one thirteen games,

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eleven of those were by one score. No one thought they were good
even though they had this gaudy record. I'm going to go the opposite.
I don't think they're frauds. Ithink that's too strong. But they are
going to need a home playoff gameto win a playoff game. In my
humble opinion, I think I don'tthink they have a bruiser at running back

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that can take the ball when itgets cold, and you know, speed
tightens up when it gets cold,and you know, playing in the AFC
East down the stretch, these gamesare gonna get a little bit more dicey
as they stop playing at home.So frauds, No, they I believe
they will make the playoffs. Ithink they could. I think they still
will win this division. So however, you want to take that Super Bowl

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contender right right on the on theother side of that, But not fraudileent,
No, Yeah, And they dohave a couple more opportunities to get
these big wins. You know,you beat the Cowboys at the end of
the season their last three games,Cowboys Ravens. You know, people are
talking about the Ravens being the bestteam in the league right now and the
Bills if they figure it out,obviously, that could mean something for the
division and for playoff seeding in thelast week of the season. But if

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the Bills figure it out and getthings back on track, they could have
three chances at the end of theseason after a pretty I mean, the
rest of the way is lackluster untilthat point, so they definitely have their
chances to do it. I'm withyou, I don't think they're necessarily frauds.
I do want to see them wina game before I could pick them
to win a playoff game against Youknow, they've lost to the Eagles,
they lost of the Bills and theChiefs. What are the teams that we
thought were the premier teams in theleague before the season? Totally fair?

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All right, So you mentioned theMinnesota Vikings and the fact that they were
frauds last year. This year theyare battling it out. They started off
slow and then they came back inthe season and went to five hundred,
and then Kirk Cousins tore his achilles, and then they go get Josh Dobbs
the week of a game and he'sthrust into action after Jaron Hall, the
rookie at a b YU, getshurt, and he leads him to a
win thirty one to twenty eight.Over the Falcons performance. I don't think

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I've ever seen anything quite like it. Josh Dobbs played pretty well. Wasn't
the best game over all, butwhen you take into account all the things
we heard about the game, wherebefore the game he had to go through
his cadence with those offensive lineman,he had no live throws to any of
the receivers on the roster. Beforethis, he had players in the huddle
telling him what the plays were sohe could figure it out. And now
he's an airspace engineering guy. They'recalling him the pastor not now because he's

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a nassy guy, and I thinkhe's earned every bit of that nickname.
And for me personally, Ben,I know we've talked about this a little
bit, me more so for gamblingand fantasy. Maybe you know I'm happy
the Vikings won this. I knowyou're a Packers guy, so you won't
be, but I'm happy the Vikingswon this and just showed Arthur Smith that,
hey, if you use your goodplayers, you could win a game.
Because I just that guy just frustratesme. Yeah, I mean,

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I mean, I mean, allof this is unprecedented. I know,
if you're a sports talk guy andyou listen to it. This has been
talked to death, but still it'sunprecedented. He didn't know everybody's name.
I did see a really interesting storyabout how Mark Sanchez was in a Kevin
O'Connell's system and this sort of samething happened to him. He had been

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a little bit He had been therea little bit longer, I believe,
But Kevin O'Connell, being a SeanMcVay guy, knew how to simplify the
offense down to where you can ifyou know football well enough, read it
through the headset and go. Butthe other thing I don't think people are
talking about is, of course kJOsborne went down in this game. He

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didn't have Justin Jefferson. He didn'thave his left tackle, who I think
is one of the best left tacklesin the league. Joe might fight me
on that, but it's incredible.It's a cool story. The only problem
is I just think the Vikings.I think Vikings fans knew where they were
going at the beginning of the season, like, uh oh, like you

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know, we might like we mightbe in the running for one of those
better quarterbacks in this draft. Andthen all of a sudden they're above five
hundred, and I think when JustinJefferson comes back, if Chush Dobbs actually
learns the offense, I mean,they could get the Lions a run for
their money. So, I mean, that's a roller coaster for you all.
At least I know my team isbad, but but you're right,

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the Falcons are refusing to use theirgood players. It is I mean,
it's mind boggling. I don't haveany Falcons in fantasy. I'm sure some
people out there do, including Joein at least one or two leagues,
but it's it is really strange thathe's not using his best players. It
seems like he's out thinking the roomon that. It's like, well,

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they expect me to use Bijon,Well, yeah, everyone does. Everyone
at home does, Everyone on theother sideline does, everyone on your sideline
does so the tea, the tightend three end rounds aren't like, I
don't get it. I think hisregardless of their record, I think his
refusal to use Drake London and KylePitts and Bjeon Robinson could end up costing

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him his job. I don't lovesaying that, but I mean, tell
me if I'm wrong, You're not. I only have Bijon Robinson at pretty
much any dynasty ever, because Ithought the one thing that I knew is
they would just pound the ball,they'd run the ball, and he would
get a lot of work. He'snot using him, he's using Tyler l
Gear, he's using Quardrell Patterson,and you mentioned Kyle Pitts. John new
Smith is having the better season.He had five catches for one hundred yards

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and a touchdown in this game.I don't I don't quite understand it because
this is a tight end. Inhis rookie year, he had a thousand
yards, which for a rookie isextremely rare, and even for tight ends
in general is rare because you don'tknow. Unless you're Mark Andrews, George
Kittle or Travis Kelce. That doesn'thappen too often. So I feel like
they're wasting talent. They are fourand five and they're in a division that
seems pretty winnable, and they've addeda lot on that defense. But it's

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gonna be really hard to do thatdown the stretch when you have Taylor Heineke
at quarterback. Because maybe you didn'tset up Desmon Rinder for the best success,
although I do like Taylor Heiniekey thinkis a pretty good backup. And
then you're just not using these guys. I mean, maybe the only thing
you could say is maybe like Beijon, at the end of the year will
be fresh because he doesn't have thewear and tear on his body that some
of these other running backs will,so we'll see. You could say that

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hopefully they'll be in the mix bythat point and again winnable division. So
we could just be you know whatI mean, we could just be blowing
smoke. But what I do.Last thing I want to bring up about
this one is rushing yards one hundredand forty six for the Vikings versus one
hundred and ten on the Falcons,and that's with a team with a brand

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new quarterback who's running the ball AlexanderMadison, who I think we all can
understand at this point is a runningback too, and Cam Akers who is
out for the season. So justmind boggling stuff from the Falcons offense.
But they are four and five.They're not out of it, especially in
that vision. Absolutely, and justa reminder that Vikings continue to listen to

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Creed and that is why they continueto win. That's the proven fact.
After the Rangers won the World Seriesand now the Vikings are on a winning
streak with the quarterback they literally pickedup this week. So always listen to
Creed. Next game up, andwe have the Browns winning twenty seven to
nothing over the Cardinals. Just kindof quick notes on this one. I
don't have too much because this iskind of what we expected. Clayton Tune,
the rookie out of Houston, startedthis game for the Cardinals. Kyler

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Murray wasn't quite ready to come back, and Josh Doobbs have been traded as
they look like they're probably gonna tankeven with Kyler Murray coming back. And
just you know, if the Brownsdefense is still very very good, they're
they're five and three now, andthat AFC North is very tough, and
if they didn't have that quite thatgood defense, I'm not sure there are
anywhere close to five and three agreedCardinals again with a completely fresh quarterback,

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one third down, one third down, then version all of yesterday. You're
right, there isn't a lot tosay other than Amari Cooper is still great.
I think you know, I thinkyou as a Cowboys fan could could
definitely respect that and Deshaun Watson.They continue to get it done regardless of

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who's taking the snaps. That defenseis pretty awesome. Miles Garrett on the
way to a Defensive Player of theyear's season. You're right, we won't
waste your time with this one.Cardinals are bad. Browns are Browns are
They're different, but they could bescary. Yeah, a team that you
like don't want to play, andit's not because their offense scares. It's

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because that defense can make anything happen. And especially we saw Week one against
the Bengals with that rain game.If it's bad weather like it typically is
like in the late part of theregular season or even in the playoffs,
that the Browns are fortunate enough tomake it, that's that's something you don't
want to play. Next one up, we got the Packers beating the Rams
twenty to three. I'm gonna letyou take most of this, but I
will say you know, Rams hadbackup quarterback in It did look like the

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Packers struggled initially, but then inthe second half kind of took things over.
Good to see Aaron Jones get backon the field free Aaron Jones as
always. Yeah, so I putmy Packers had on for this one.
I think I think I'm gonna spendless time on this game than you're thinking
I'm going to because these teams areboth going nowhere. But it is encouraging

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to see a touchdown in the firsthalf. They had scored three points in
the previous I think five, fiveor six games in the first half.
We've been absolutely garbage in the firsthalf of these games. Aaron Jones was
inexplicably not getting the ball at all, not running it and when he was

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catch when he was getting the ballon these goofy little screen passes that are
going nowhere because they know that's exactlywhat you're doing. Matt Lafleur has been
exposed this year. But when you'replaying a team with a backup quarterback and
you know one and a half goodreceivers in Kuka Nakua and and Cooper Cup.

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I say half because Cooper Cup's like, I think we can all tell
he's still on the mend. Idon't think he's one hundred percent it is.
It is a fine win. Youwant to beat bad teams, but
also we lost to the team thatgave up seventy points. I I am

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encouraged to see Matt Lafleur realize thatthey're not scoring any points. He has
kind of famously said, I don'tknow if you've seen this, that he's
like not scripting. He's not scriptingplays in the first half, which,
like you know, seems like fortychess kind of stuff. Like, no,
I'm gonna take what the defense givesme in the first half. But

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like if everyone else in the leaguealways does it, then like what,
I don't understand why you're not doingit. Two hundred and twenty eight yards
for Jordan Love one touchdown. That'sbetter. It's still not awesome. Aaron
Jones is awesome. Very strange fumblein that game where Aaron Jones picked up
Donte Did you see this clip hepicked up Dontavian Wicks and just said,

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like, hey, keep your headup, like you know, they only
have three points. It's fine.Like, last thing I'll say is,
please Packers fans, do not letthis trick you into thinking that Joe Berry
is good at his job. JoeBerry is the worst defensive coordinator in the
league. And because he's given upseventeen here twenty here only three this week.

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He is not good. He iscontinually scheming things that make absolutely no
sense, playing ten yards off theline of scrimmage on a third and eight
with I mean regularity, and peopleare dropping all of these things, like,
well, sometimes your defensive end hasto drop into coverage because you play
in a three to four scheme.Preston Smith should not be covering anybody.

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I am tired of I'm tired ofwatching it. I know they've I know
they've given up minimal points over thelast three weeks. They've been playing bad
offenses. Joe Berry is bad.He needs to be gone at the end
of the year. I don't careif we give three points out. Well,
if we give three points out forthe rest of the season, we're

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probably going to the playoffs. Sonever mind. But but what I'm what
I always say to Joe is onour you know, daily work phone calls
are this is how this defense shouldbe playing every single week. They have
eight first round picks on the roster. We shouldn't be surprised by them giving

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up twenty or seventeen. Three isa bit surprising. But this rams offense
is not good. We shouldn't beThis should be the norm. It should
not be like, oh look hedid okay, so not a very exciting
game, but I mean Packers cameout with one. I don't think we
were going to be bad enough togo get Drake May anyway. So I'll

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just pass it off to you onthat. No, I think what you
said rings true. And they've they'vedone well. I guess it's defensively in
some regards. But as you mentioned, there's some things that just kind of
like, this should not happen.This is like a second grade football thing
that like is happening. A toughpart for them is it seems like the
easy part of their schedule is kindof over. They do have some easier

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games near the back end, butthis next four weeks it seems like you
got Steelers, Chargers, Lions,and Chiefs. You might not win a
game in that stretch. And thenyou go down to you know, is
Barry on the hot seat? Isfloor on the hot seat. There's reports
coming out from from guys like KirkBenkert, who I know Packers fans love
because of the one kneel down andeverything, and that he was a good
locker room guy and he's been sayinglike once Aaron Rodgers, you know,

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left, or even when he wasn'tthere in some of the training camps,
you know, the last couple ofyears with all the contract issues, that
he just kind of turns into adifferent guy like there wasn't you know.
I think people maybe be understating AaronRodgers' presence for the Packers team in the
sense that he would take a lotof the pressure off of some of the
other guys when he was there andkind of be like a lighter player as

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the floor would maybe yell at himor maybe yell at other people, and
he would kind of diffuse the situation. So interesting to see what thing happens
here. I don't know. Maybemaybe that's the locker room is a little
bit different now that you have LaFlour. Maybe thinking he's the alpha dog
now that Rogers has gone. Idon't know. Yeah. Another thing I'll
say is aj Dillon sort of justtripping all over himself during these warmer months.

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A people are saying a lot ofpeople are saying that he gets better
as the weather gets colder. Idon't know, We'll have to check on
that. As far as Kurt Bankergoes a great follow he really he he
does breaks down. He does breakdownsfor the layman. Joe is way more
into the scheming and stuff, andI'm, you know, I'm more of

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like you know, I know itwhen I see it, and you know,
I I know, I'm a Packersfan. But like, if Nathan
Peterman still has a job because he'sgood in the because he's good in the
film room, then so Kurt Banker. But he's getting paid. It's it's
okay, that's that's all for nothing. He could he could go a USFL

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or XFL now that they're merging whateverthey're gonna be called, and he could
go start for them and then getback in the NFL. I do think
he's He's a guy who fits likereally well in a locker room too.
He's always doing these breakdowns. Heknows what he's talking about. He also
plays a lot of Madden. Itseems just like he's a totally easy going
guy. So if he has aproblem with the way the locker room is,
and you know, I yes,he was cut, so he's a
little biased. I think there mightbe some issues there and we'll just have

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to see how they figure it out. Whether it's you know, they lose
some games coming up here and theyfire defensive coordinator, fire, you know,
the whole staff. We'll see.I think it might be something that
gets to that point, because,like I said, I think these next
four weeks could be pretty pretty ugly. And Okay, uh, first of
all, if you're sorry, ifyou're a Packers fan looking forward to this

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regime, him getting you know,totally torched Mark Murphy. Mark Murphy's contract
expires in twenty twenty five, andI think that's the most likely clean house
here. I think Joe Berry probablywill be gone at the end of the
season. And if you don't mind, could you could you read off those

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those next four games for me.I don't have a bump anymore, but
I believe it was Steelers, Chargersand something in Chiefs and Lions and Chiefs
lines and Chiefs. Yeah. Ithink I think the Steelers and the Chargers
are winnable. I think the Chiefsand the Lions would really really have to

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look past us to lose those games. But we'll talk more about Steelers Packers
just just a bit later so wecan move on. Sorry, you're enough
about the enough about the three andfive Packers. Hey, we'll bring on
the Packers guy for a reason,and what more insight on it and my
a team that we're not talking aboutas much as we have the last couple

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of years in the next couple ofyears. So always good to get it
out. We'll keep it moving thatWe'll go to the Commanders and Patriots.
I wont spent too much time withthis game either, because I think both
these teams are bad. The Commanderswon twenty to seventeen. This is a
week after they they traded away Monteseweat Chase Young. They have a new
ownership group. They're clearly looking todo a rebuild, at least a soft
rebuild. The good news for themis Sam Howe looks like he can be

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a viable NFL quarterback after they draftedhim in the fifth round. Don't know
how he fell to the fifth roundand the twenty twenty two NFL Draft.
They still got some wet but thewide receivers are still good. But they
have a whole lot of work todo in terms of the running game and
fixing that defense after they traded someof their defensive linemen away. So four
and five right now, But you'rekind of in that middle ground where you
don't get the high draft pick.And I mean cecil and I've talked about

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on the podcast, Ben, We'vetalked about it. The Patriots are complete
mess anyway, They're not going anywhere. This is a team that the AFC
coming into this week was all withintwo games of each other. Besides the
Patriots, they were the only teambad enough who were not within two games
of each other. So they youknow, we've talked about their long term
implications, but they're just they don'thave it this year. Mac Jones is
not the guy, and you know, with injuries filing up, they're not

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going anywhere. Yeah, just quickthoughts on both teams. The Patriots look
slower than ever, which is crazybecause they were already an incredibly slow team.
You don't you don't have to bea draft expert, a big,
huge college football guy to understand thatthis offense is I mean sluggish. Ramandre

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Stevenson I seems like he should bebetter, but like that's being a running
back in then Bill Belichick system.You just sort of sometimes Jonas Gray has
four touchdowns, you know, youknow what I'm saying, And yeah,
Mac Jones is just kind of kindof awful. I know that's brilliant,
but it is what it is.I think with the Commanders, what the

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only thing I think it's really funto talk about is how you said you
said it, samhow looking viable?And then Brian Robinson. I think Brian
Robinson, the Commander's running back,I think is really benefiting from having a
at least good quarterback, right ifthey can throw the ball. He looks

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he looks really good. I know, sixty three yards on eighteen carries for
a touchdown doesn't sound awesome, butlike this offensive line isn't great either,
So you know, imagine him ona better team with you know, a
quarterback and more experience and a betteroffensive line. I think I think he's
honestly one of the better running backsin the lead top fifteen. Would I
would give him that. And thenthe last thing about the Commanders is like,

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how different is it going to look? Right? Because they have an
entirely new ownership group, trading offMontes Sweat and Chase Young, I mean
clearly kind of sets this tone.It's like, all right, we have
some ideas, now, you knowwhat I mean. Snyder's gone like it's
like it's our turn and Ron Riverawho's like an extremely lovable guy, an

(29:02):
inspiring story, but like it seemslike this version of the Commanders is going
to pass him by, you know, just like not really responding to the
old River road run type stuff.But again, we don't have to spend
too much more time on it,but just be looking forward to that in
the offseason, Like, how doesthe brain trust see this going forward?

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Because samhow looks all right? Yeah, I think the rest of the season
you kind of evaluate how he does. If he continues playing like this,
you maybe roll with him next year, maybe bringing up another veteran backup.
But I was surprised if they're gonna, you know, trade away some of
these guys. We've had a lotof quarterback injuries. I was surprised they
didn't trade away Chcobe Brissett, whoproved last year with the Browns he could
play solid football, he can wina different systems. You know, there's

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probably about forty quarterbacks in the leaguethat teams could probably start and get wins,
like Josh Dobbs you mentioned and everything, So that's a guy you can
win games with. I'm surprised thatwith all the injuries. He wasn't traded
too. Now that you know youhave, how as a guy who's developing
and who's going to start the restof the way, because you do want
to see what he has. Thatsurprised me. But they won the game.
That's important, and now they cancontinue getting their draft picks and making

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their team better this offseason. Yeah, and just stay healthy. A lot
of these young quarterbacks are getting tooinjured to really get those to get those
yips out of the way, youknow what I mean. Hey, we're
not going anywhere this year. Kid, throw as many picks as you want,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So hopefully stays healthy. Definitely.
Next on up, then we havethe Saints beating the Bears twenty four

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to seventeen. The Bear started offthis game pretty hot and just kind of
showed that you can only do sowell with someone named Tyson Bage, who's
a D two quarterback out of ShepherdUniversity. Great story. We liked it
when he came on and did well. They need justin fields back. They
need to actually use justin fields inthe right way. Something we've mentioned before.
The Saints starting slow is nothing new. Their offense has kind of had

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this like weird year where they don'treally play up to the level of the
talent that they have, whether that'syou know, offensive line, Kamara after
his suspension, he got back,Michael Thomas's back, Risslave Derek Carr.
That that's a solid offense on paper, but they need to step it up.
But they got important thing is theygot to win. They're five and
four in that division where they looklike they probably are gonna win it.

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Yeah, two hundred and eleven yardsand two touchdowns for Derek Carr the Taysom
Hills special. You know he threwone as well. Whatever, Tyson Bagent
two twenty for two touchdowns, threeinterceptions. Look, this New Orleans team
is completely different home versus on theroad. It is completely different, which

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you know makes sense. New Orleansis one of the loudest, crazy stadiums
in the entire league. But you'reright, Tyson Bagent was a fun story.
They his dad's an arm wrestling champion, whatever, whatever, But it's
not it's not it's not the longterm solution. The bear I you know,
I don't have you had a chanceto talk about the Montese sweat trade.

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We talked about it last week,yes, but if you want to
add more to it, we're olEars. Well, he they signed him
to an extension, and it's justit's just strange, Like it's it's strange
to me that the defensive culture ofthe Bears, which has been a franchise
long thing, right, I mean, this is one of the oldest franchises

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in the league and it's sort ofalways been built through defense. First.
It baffles me how they're continuing topour money on into it when it's not
really any good and the offense isworse. But you know, to each
their own, I suppose you're right, Justin Fields needs to be used in

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the right way. I know hewanted to stop running as much, or
the brain trust wanted him to stoprunning as much, but like that's kind
of when he's the most dangerous.He's not a pure pocket passer and he's
not going to be. And asfar as the Saints team, I mean,
sure, you're right, they theymight win the South, but I

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mean, Alan, you're right,Alan Kamara, Chris Alave, Michael Thomas,
Like it seems insane. It seemslike an insane offensive roster. But
again I do not I'm not ahuge fan of calling for people's jobs other
than Joe Berry. He needs togo. But I mean, Dennis Allen
is holding this team back. Ido. I don't see a world in

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which you could argue that they needan offensive head coach, especially if they're
gonna pour this money into Derek Carrand Chris a Lobby and Michael Thomas and
Kamara, like, like, youneed an offensive coach, or at least
you need a more clever offensive coordinator, because like the extent of the cleverness
comes with putting Taysom Hill in aquarterback and like we all know he's gonna

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run the ball unless it's unless it'sa running situation, it's like second and
short, and then he's gonna throwit like like we can all see it
coming a mile away. So whatdo you think about that? I mean,
people aren't talking about Dennis Allen beingthe one that's like really holding this
team back. No, he definitelyis part of the problem. He's proven

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I think through his two stints withthe Raiders and the Saints that probably not
the guy. I know, it'sa tough situation with you know, always
anyone who coaches the Raiders is atough situation. And then the Saints when
you have legends walk out the doorlike Drew Brees. But you gotta get
something going here. You're losing games. You know, Buccaneers are a little
bit better than you thought. Youcollapse against the Packers. If you win

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those games, it's a totally differentnarrative. And both of those games,
offense stalled, like seventeen points againstthe Packers. Yes, you've mentioned the
Packers have good players, but thedefense coordinators not the greatest. Buccaneers score
nine points with all this talent,and that was the game where Kamara came
back from suspension too, So I'mwith you. I think Dennis Allen is
a guy they're gonna look at inthe mirror. And it sucks because if

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they make the playoffs, it's oneof those things where it's like, well,
maybe Dennis Allen stays for another year, Maybe Derek Carr stays for another
year, even though he's just captainchecked down this year. I mean,
it's just one of those things.So it's kind of a catch twenty two
situation. And if they don't takeoff in the playoffs and like make this
magical run, they're gonna start tobe in huge like this the last thing
we'll say on this, but they'regonna start to be in huge trouble.

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They are pushing so much cap downthe road it would blow your mind if
you look up the spot track onall that. So they at least need
to win the South and be like, well, we want it again.
At least that would be good forthe stability of the team. And if
not, maybe they actually do areal rebuild instead of doing what you're saying,
which just push the contracts down theroad. Next one up, we

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have the Ravens demolishing the Seahawks thirtyseven to three. Now, first quarter
of this game there were no points. It was really weird. We're thinking,
all right, defensive struggles come inand then really it wasn't Lamar throwing
the ball too much, only onehundred eighty seven yards. It was the
running game came back for the RavensKeith Mitchell. You had Gus Edwards,
Justice Hill all pitching in there.It was dominating performance and ben as we

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mentioned earlier, Ravens being talked aboutas one of the best or if the
best team in the league right now, I would say yes. I mean
they've they've had, you know,probably the most consistent season and most of
the time you kind of think Ravens. For me, at least the last
couple of years, even with orwithout the injuries, I think, Okay,
they're gonna play good against a goodteam one week, and then they're
gonna go play down to the levelof the competition the next week. But

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this year, I mean, yeah, they lost to the Colts, they
lost to the Steelers. We knowthe Steelers Ravens games get weird, but
they're on four straight wins. Theylook like they're gonna be hosting the Browns
and Bengals in the next two weeks. It looks like a team that can
get something going here. It's theback of my mind still telling me,
hey, maybe the Ravens lose oneof these next two games, because that's
how it works. But it's goodfor them. Thirty seven to three against
the Seahawks team that's about five hundredYeah, like you said, and Mitchell,

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I mean absolutely exploding. An undraftedguy, Gus Edwards, Justice Hill,
Lamar Jackson running it ten times forsixty yards. Lamar Jackson only nine
touchdowns on the season, when weexpected him to be passing a little bit
more. That's not because I don'thave faith in Lamar Jackson. I was
born in Louisville, Kentucky, soI'm a fan. I'm just bringing it

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up because he's on both of myfantasy teams, and I'm over it.
I'm over eleven points, dude,I need some more. I'm complaining for
no reason, but but yeah,I mean, I think you're right top
to bottom, like defensive performances addedup plus offensive performances added up, they

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are right there for the best teamin the entire league. I think you
know, and I think we allknow that, and we're going to have
to know that moving forward. You'reright, they could lose one of these
next divisional games. I think themore interesting story on this one is how
bad the Seahawks looked. I thinkit is officially time to have the discussion

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about was Geno Smith a one yearwonder? I mean that, God,
they didn't pay him that much tocome back me. He is like,
well, you were on the benchfor how many years? And he had
one good one? Like show itto us one more time? You know
what I'm saying. Kenneth Walker shutdown Zach Sharvin a not a factor of
Geno Smith's zero touchdowns, one interceptions. Geno Smith's one interception thrown too uh,

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he threw too stone, he threwit to the other Geno. Yeah,
Jackson Smith and Jigbudd finally sort ofgot involved, which is what Seahawks
fans I'm sure have been wanting tosee. But yeah, I think that's
the more interesting side of this,of this lopsided lost, because you know,

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they have looked sort of like theycould challenge the Niners for the division,
because I really do think the Ninerscould win there, could lose again
this week and like drop four ina row. But I mean, if
the Seahawks are gonna play like this, I don't think there's a challenge in
the division anymore. Tell me whatyou think. I was thinking the same

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thing. This is, you know, this is a bad performance. You
can you can, you know,throw it away if you want. But
they had some of like some easygames. Maybe they should have won like
the Rams, And now we're findingout the Rams aren't as good. They
beat the Panthers and the Giants andthe Cardinals already this year. That's kind
of inflating things. And they lostlike all the losses are understanding. You
lose on the road to the Ravens, you lose on the road to the
Bengals and Ram. You know,if you lose to the Rams's first week,

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Sean McVay has all off season toprepare for it. But now you
have to you have to win thesenext two Commanders and Rams to go back
up to maybe seven and three toreally put the pressure on the forty nine
ers because after that you have abrutal schedule. You have forty nine Ers,
Cowboys, forty nine Ers, Eaglesright after that. That's that the
card games are going to come inthe NFL at some point in the season.
So they Yeah, I think Seattlein our preseason show, I picked

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them the one in the NFC West. Still pick the forty nine ers through
the playoffs, but it's mostly becauseof the injuries build up that the forty
nine ers have every year. Andthat's maybe the thing that you know,
if the forty nine ers are injured, maybe the Seahawks can still win.
Trent Williams. I believe they're threeand six without trans Williams in the lineup.
The forty nine Ers over the lastseveral years, so that's something.

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Yeah, that's something they can holdonto. But I think I'm with you.
I think this is a game wherethey would have won or at least
play competitively. Maybe it helps themwith their momentum going into this next two
games. They have to way beforethe tough stretch. So let me ask
you one more thing. Are justfor the rest of the season. We're
halfway through now, For the restof the season, do you expect them

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to be closer to like the GiantKiller. Would they beat the Lions or
something like this where they lose togood team. I think they'll be closer
to the Giant Killer. They tradedfor Leondard Williams. I think that'll help
out a time. The secondary alreadyhas plenty of good players, so the
defense I think will rebound. TheRavens aren't just you know, they're a
tough matchup. I know a lotof people have talked about if you playing

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the Ravens, there's no one inthe NFC that really you have to game
plan like you do. For LamarJackson, so he has a very good
record against the NFC. I don'tknow what that what it is top of
my head, but I know hehas a very good record, so I
would throw this game out the window. Just get ready for the second half
of the year. I do expectwith their three wide receivers Jackson, Smith
and Jig but starting to get moreand more comfortable, I think the offense
will come to as well. Ithink they can be a playoff team.

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I think they can maybe win agame in the playoffs as long as they
don't match up with maybe a healthyforty nine Ers, Cowboys or Eagles maybe
even I think probably could be atthe Cowboys too, the ways they go
up and down too. So Ithink the y yeah, for sure,
for sure. So I think they'llbatch back pretty well. It's just like
I said, tough matchup and alot of respect to Lamar for being being
different. Yep, he's different.Next one up, we have the Texans

(42:01):
beating the Buccaneers thirty nine to thirtyseven. This is one of the most
fun games of the entire weekend.Maybe didn't look like it on paper going
into it, but man, dida lot of things happen. I mean
it was back and forth all game. You had you know, Mike Evans
or Shan White making plays and ChrisGodwin as well for the Buccaneers. But
CJ. Stroud is I know hehad a bad game the week before,

(42:22):
but showed that he could bounce backreally well. Gonna take another victory lap
here as saying he was quarterback onein my rankings. Always have to take
the victory laps here because no onewill give you credit. Unlet's give it
to yourself these days. Four toseventy yards, five touchdowns ends up getting
them to come back. In thisgame, the Texans get an important field
goal from darre Ogun walle a runningback because their kicker gets hurt in this

(42:43):
game. It's just had everything.You could have won it in this game
if you're a Texans fan. Yes, it was a tough loss for Buccaneers
fan, but at least you hadsome points. It was fun. It
was you know, I think talkingabout the Texans like there's some lowly team.
Is done for now. Absolutely.Four hundred and seventy yards for CJ.
Stroud is a rookie record, fivetouchdowns, no interceptions. He still

(43:04):
has only one interception on the season. Offensive Rookie of the Year conversation is
done. It is over Noah Brownwith one hundred and fifty three yards receiving
if you played him in your fourteenman league. Congratulations Tank Dell with two
touchdowns. Tank dal looks good,dude. I don't know how you felt
about him coming out of the draft, but he looks really good. I

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gotta be honest, there's just somuch to talk about with the Texans that
I'll go the other direction for justa second. I'm starting to feel bad
for Baker. Dude. Is He'sabsolutely playing his ass off and he continues
to lose these really really close games. I mean, if Chris Godwin had

(43:54):
turned his head, you know whatI mean, they would have a game
on that Hail Mary versus the BuffaloBills at two touchdowns for him, no
interceptions. I mean, he's he'ssort of proving that he can run this
offense. It's just, I mean, just heartbreak after heartbreak for him this
year. I feel bad. II like Baker. I know a lot

(44:17):
of people don't, but I havea lot of respect for the guy.
What what do you think about Whatdo you think about Baker and these these
weapons through the offseason. Do youthink do you think they'll sort of find
a way to pay them both orwhat? Yeah, I think if they

(44:38):
win a couple of games, they'lldo it, and they'll keep them.
If they end up losing a lotmore games and they get positioned to take
one of the rookie quarterbacks, they'regonna I think they're gonna go that way.
It's just the way of the NFL. Ben, I'm gonna ask you
this question I already know the answerto, but just to get your answer,
would you would you rather have BakerMayfield on a one year, four
million dollar salary or Daniel Jones ona forty milli dollar salary. I would

(45:01):
rather have Baker Mayfield, thank you. Yeah. It's it's at the quarterback
market we've been talking it needs likea middle ground. I think Gino Smith
is the middle ground. They've givenhim like a lot of money for most
positions, but middle ground for quarterbacks. And they can cut them after this
year if it doesn't work out.So the Seahawks and that we mentioned them
before, that was a very goodcontract by them. But Buccaneers we got,
like Baker Mayfield playing for four millionlike he got. We mentioned Josh

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Dobbs. He got traded to theRams last year and he had to start
pretty quickly. I know. Ithink he has more. I think he
had more reps than Josh Dobbs did, but he was showed that you can
figure it out too, So Idon't know. I think if you're if
you're a team, especially like theBucks who have weapons like they do,
you don't have to go all infor an elite quarterback. We've seen that,
like teams like the forty nine erswho have never had an elite quarterback

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since the days of Steve Young andJoe Montana. You know that they've won
games one playoff games. Everyone wantsthat quarterback. But if you don't have
that guy, don't give someone thatyou're not in love with forty million dollars.
Yep. And last saying I'll sayis it continues to be U.
This season continues to show us thatthe trade deadline should be later in the

(46:08):
season. Halloween is too early becausea lot of these teams still think they
have life and they do not.And a lot of teams, like the
Vikings that we just talked about,I think they're dead in the water and
they're not. But either way,congratulations to c. J. Stroud.
He looks he looks insane, uhand it makes makes the Banthers pick look

(46:30):
worse and worse as as these weeksroll by. Yeah, I have to.
I have to point out there's peoplewho are comparing CJ. Stroud to
RG three on national media outlets.I won't name them. I'm not going
to drag them. But if you'retalking about the accuracy out of college,
especially the deep accuracy, I seeit. But they play totally different.
So watch the games. This isa very different players. That's so weird.

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Yeah, I mean I think itwas. You know, I won't
I'll tell you off air because Idon't I don't want drag anyone, But
yeah, CJ. Stroud's accuracy andtouch passing, you know, talking about
you know a little bit of collegefootball here. Ohio State didn't allow him
to do the things that made himgreat when they did open up the offense
against Georgia and the College Football Playoff. But I know we watched, you
watched at least the first half withme while we were at a New Year's

(47:13):
Eve party. They were kicking somebutt and then they didn't do that in
the other games. They lost toMichigan because they weren't opening things up to
their many talented receivers and the quarterbackthat, as you said, is going
to win Rookie of the Year prettymuch already and it's only Week ten,
so great. All right, Soyou mentioned the Panthers and their number one
pick Bryce Young. It was agame to forget for him. The Colts
went twenty seven to thirteen. BryceYoung throws three interceptions, two of them

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to Kenny Moore, two of themreturned for touchdowns. Kenny Moore has I
think is tied for the lead withBryce Young touchdowns this year, which is,
you know, not good for him. He's he's I think this needs
to be a like this year.You have to go all in to make
sure you help Bryce Young get better. That includes offensive line, getting more

(47:58):
offensive mines in that room. Imean, Frank Reich is, but he's
kind of didn't work out in Indianapolisand had some issues there. I think
you need to put all of it. Adam Thielen is his leading receiver,
and Adam Thielean is not the Adamfeelin of old. So I would do
that if I were the Panthers.The Colts, they got the two headed
monster running back and Zach Moss andJonathan Taylor and they're staying alive. Four
and five right now. It's goodfor them. I don't think they do

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anything long term, especially because theirdefense isn't what it used to be and
there seems to be some locker roomissues with their linebacker usage is really causing
a stir so Darius Leonard specifically isn'tplaying as much as he used to and
he was a star. So agood win for the Colts and for the
Panthers. You gotta support this.You draft a number one overall, you
gotta support him better than this.Yeah, completely agreed. You said one

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touchdown to three interceptions, two picksix is in the game. It's it's
looking dire, and not just becausethey're starting a rookie quarterback behind a bad
offensive line, which I had beentalking about all off seasons, like you
can't draft this five to nine kidbehind this awful offensive line. But anyway,

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it's the problem is that they tradedso much a way to get him,
and now they do not have afirst round pick. I think the
only way to do what you justsaid, which is support him. He
needs he needs a lineman, heneeds wide receivers. You know, he
probably needs a better running back hedoes a probably he needs a better running

(49:28):
back. I think the only wayyou do this is to do the one
thing you said you weren't going todo and find a way to trade Brian
Burns in the offseason. Does hiscontract? Does that make sense? Contract
wise? Do you know? Ithink you can for sure. I think
it'll work out well, right.I think you need to trade him for

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I mean literally, not just likea first round pick, like you may
forego the first round all together andbe like, I don't know, man,
give me three threes. You knowwhat I'm saying. As far as
the Colts go, Gardner continues tobe an insane person one hundred and twenty
seven yards for one touchdown. Idon't mean insane on the football field,
I mean he is an insane person. Jonathan Taylor still not the Jonathan Taylor

(50:15):
of old. Uh. Making thismaking this like running back hold out thing
looked a little bit weird, althoughI'm one hundred percent supportive of the running
backs in that whole situation. Butlike he's he's he's not. He's not
really popped again this year, it'sa more boring. This was a more

(50:38):
boring game than the score might haveyou. Then the score might lead you
to believe twenty seven points sounds likea lot if you watch this game,
I mean eight more power to you. But like I said, that's the
big takeaway is we are one hundredpercent spot on support Bryce Young in the
offseason. Do what you need todo. I find a way to make

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this offense click, because as wecontinue to see, you can make a
run for your division, especially thisNFC South. You can make a run
for your division with a good tovery good offense somewhere in between there and
a bad defense. You just canso do that and then fix the defense

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later on. But that's about allI have to say about this one.
Yeah, I'm with you. Theycould have done something where they stayed at
number nine and taken Will Levis andkept all their picks, and maybe they're
in a better situation. It's notalways worth the trading up for these guys,
especially like we knew in this draftclass, it wasn't a generational quarterback
draft class at least going in thatguessj Strout's playing better than anyone expected,

(51:45):
but there weren't guys that necessarily wereworth giving up the farm. Whether you
know it wasn't the Andrew Luck RGthree draft coming into it. But just
have to think about sometimes with someof these roster moves, you get antsy,
and some of these teams don't wantto get apathetic fans, so they
make the moves. And you knowwhat are they doing After the Panthers,
you know, fired Matt Rule,they get Frank Reich who was fired from

(52:06):
the Colts, and they you know, draft Brice and they trade up the
breast draft Bryce Young. They haveto go to DJ Moore in the process,
can going up one of the betterplayers. It's a mess. You
just sometimes you have to take thelonger route to get to where you want
to go. Yeah. Absolutely,And this looks like a long route because
they are I believe they the worstrecord in the league. So they would

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have the number one overall pick rightnow if they hadn't traded it to the
Bears, who might have the numbertwo overall pick in the league. So
I mean, as a Packers fan, I get a little bit scared about
that then potentially having the first twooverall picks. But again, if there's
a team that's gonna find a wayto mess up a generation generationally talented quarterback,

(52:50):
it will be the Bears. That'strue. That's very true. Never
had a quarterback in their lives.And you know, if your best quarterback
conversation kind of starts with Jim mcmaddin'sJake, Jim mcmanager Cutler, Yeah,
you're not doing too good. Sothe next one up, Ben, we
have to go over the Raiders firingJosh McDaniels, something that you know,

(53:12):
we've talked at the game house andon the podcast before. Just not a
great hire to start with. It'snot that he worked with Bill Belichick.
It's it's also that he also hasalready failed as a head coach. He
was caught cheating with the Broncos,and then after they caught him cheating,
the record went downhill very fast.The players hated him, and in a
meeting this week they try to grileeveryone up because really they don't have enough

(53:34):
money to fire him. At leastthat was the reports last year. They
ended up firing him this week,but in a meeting they he asked Antonio
Peers to speak to the team.Antonia Peers is a former player for the
Giants, and Pierce said, youknow, you guys gotta you gotta buy
in, you know, just becausethe record's bad, right now. You
know the Giants we beat the Patriotsin two thousand and seven. We no
one thought we could or two whicheverone he referenced, and Josh McDaniels got
mad, and that just apparently reallydivided the locker room, and players went

(54:00):
to Mark Davis and was talking about, Hey, we just don't this sucks,
this is awful, and he endedup firing them. And now Antonio
Pierce is the guy where the playerslove. It looks like everything's settling down,
and it manifested in this game againstthe Giants. They went thirty to
six. And one thing I likeabout Pierce being named the head coach.
He goes to Aidan O'Connell, whohe says is the best quarterback on the

(54:20):
roster, and he had a decentgame, protected the football, wasn't asked
to do too much. But healso said, we're gonna be you know
the Cowboys in the nineties, theyfeatured Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin. We
have a very talented running back wholed the league of yards last year,
Josh Jacobs. We're gonna give himthe ball. Though it didn't come to
fruition this week, he said we'regonna get Devonte Adams the ball too,
instead of targeting Jacoby Myers a milliontimes a game, instead of giving it

(54:42):
to your best receivers. So longwinded way to say, the Raiders went
from something where it was very Iwould say negative around the whole fan base
a week could go to something wherethere's actually some encouragement going on. Yeah,
you're right. When Antonio Pierce tookover, it seems clear that he
had the game plan in mind oflike, I can't do what Josh McDaniels

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was doing. That's why everyone wasso mad. So Josh Jacobs has two
touchdowns. I mean, you're right, Devantae Adams still didn't get the ball,
but I mean, you know,it seems to be in the crystal
ball that he's going to be featureda lot more. I think they were
right to start Aidan O'Connell. Helooked really good in the preseason, and

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Antonio Pierce can't stop beating the Giants. First of all, I believe he
was. Wasn't he fired in collegefootball for a tampering scandal. Yeah,
it was. It was part ofHERM. Edward's staff. He was fired
for some illegal recruiting things and It'sjust it's weird how he went from that
just a couple like I think twoyears ago, maybe one year ago,

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I don't know, to being wherehe is now. Yeah, but you're
right. Obviously the Josh McDaniels thingwasn't working, and the weird Bill Belichick
heads that are like yelling like,well, he needed three years to make
it work. No, you werethrowing the ball to Jacoby Myers constantly when
you had Davante Adams on the roster, who I maintain is shoulder to shoulder

(56:15):
with Justin Jefferson. And the onlyreason you don't think so I did the
Royal you not Joe, is becauseJustin Jefferson gets the ball more. If
Davante Adams would get the ball more, which he should because he is open,
he like you, like you wouldrightfully think that he is at least
tied for the best receiver in theleague. As far as also one more

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thing, Josh McDaniels has now beenfired twice within two years and still has
a twice within two years of twodifferent jobs, and still has a playoff
win, which is strength. ButI think the other story is the Giants.
I mean, I absolutely you youcannot tell me that you, Joe,

(57:02):
do not feel kinship with this Tommyde Vito guy. You can't.
You can't, Oh, Detulio andDavido. Yeah, I think the so.
First of all, Daniel Jones outfor the season toward a cl as
mentioned we joked about his contract earlier, not a joke that he towards ACL
and he's got to recovery. Maybemaybe his last game with the Giants,
honestly, because the way they mightmove on and get a draft pick quarterback

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this year. That might happen,but I do I feel like that is
how it would go. If Iwere an NFL quarterback, I'd be Tommy
DeVito. I'd be completing no passes. I'd be running getting my head,
you know, kicked off. I'dbe talking trash the whole time, like
Tommy DeVito is. It's it's greatto watch. It's like everyone talks about
these hypotheticals and like, yeah,I think, like, if you gave
me five rushes, I can geta yard. I think that's just like

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it's more offensive line than what therunning back's doing at that rate. But
if you're like, oh, Icould I could complete fifty percent of my
passes in the NFL. No,you couldn't. We have Tommy de Vido,
who was a solid player at Syracuse, which is a solid, you
know, college football team and asolid conference. You know acc he's out
here, he's out here doing youknow this, and uh feel some kinship
with them. I was kind ofrooting for him too because of the Italian

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name and because well, I don'tknow, I feel I feel a little
bit bad for for Giants fans.I mean, you had Daniel Jones,
you gave him all that money thatthat's kind of stinks. Now he's hurt.
Tyrod Taylor also hurt. But yeah, I think I do feel a
little bit kinship with them. Ithink it's cool when they're for me personally
too. When there's players that likepeople don't know in the NFL circles,
like who the heck is Tommy Debato, I'm like, oh, yeah,
you know, you want to seeher cues. He's really not that good

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or whatever, but it's it's cool. And Tyson Bagent, Oh yeah,
he's the arm wrestling guy. It'sfun to say their stories. But yeah,
Shepherd from Shepherd University, his lastShepherd. I think it's Pennsylvan.
I don't know. I think it'sPennsylvania. But his last college game,
he think he threw three picks tothe Colorado School the Mines or something,
So there you go. Yeah,but yeah, the Raiders win, looking

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looking good. We're gonna obviously betracking that the next couple of weeks here,
not in the sense of the AFCWest like they're gonna win the FC
West really push for a play offspot. But I know there's a lot
of fantasy implications with Josh Jacobs DeVanteAdams. Obviously, do they keep Antonio
Pierce's head coach next year? Thatwould be the cheapest option. So that's
my expectation if they win a coupleof games, but we'll see. Yeah,

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last thing on this, do youthink, I mean obviously you know
if if you don't remember, lasttime they fired a coach was John Gruden
due to some scandals. Rich Pisaccia, the special teams coach, took over,
rallied the troops, got him allthe way to the playoffs for the
first time in a while. Theydid lose that playoff game to the Bengals,
but the Bengals were on the runof destiny that year. I don't.
We can't really hold that against them. Do you think Antonio Pierce,

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like whatever, that's such an openended question. What is the percentage that
you feel Antonio Piers goes on aRich Pasaccia run here, Rich Pasaci run,
I would say ten. I thinkmaybe that's even hard. Four and
five, they're one game behind theBuffalo Bill, right But the only the

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only problem is that all the AFCteams are all right there. So like
as we mentioned, the AFC Northis all, you know, above them
in terms of record. Right now, you know the AFC. I feel
the same way. I was justtrying to confuse you. Now you're good.
I do think there's a chance thatAntonio Pierce could be a good head
coach long term, which is,you know, surprising. I think he's
players coach, especially if they canget an offensive coordinator in there that knows

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what he's doing, you know,an offensive mind outside of Josh McDaniels.
I think he could be a goodhead coach. I think a lot of
times you can look at like,oh, we want an offensive guru or
defensive guru. But Pasacia did wellwith the Ravens when he got his chance.
John Harball has been at the Ravensforever after being a special teams coach
and just really trusting his players andtrusting his his coaches as well. If
you get the good people, goodstaff around you, a good culture,

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you can do it. So Ithink he could be. Yeah, I
think I think to stop Raiders fansfrom just flipping the death Star over with
their bare hands, I think Ithink you can't if if Antonio Pierce does
well, and I'm talking like endsthe year nine, eight eight to nine,
I don't think you do this big, splashy move like you have like

(01:01:05):
with John Gruden and Josh McDaniels,because rumors are swirling around Jim Harbaugh and
Lincoln Riley and I don't. Idon't think you do it again for a
third time. I think I thinkthe entire city would go insane. I
mean, Vegas is already pretty crazyanyway, but hey, Golden Knight's got

(01:01:25):
one, so lean on that.I guess there you go, all right.
The last of the four pm Easterntime games, we have the Eagles
beating the Cowboys twenty eight to twentythree. This is I think one of
the better played games of the NFLseason. By both teams, which is
good for the Eagles. We've beenkind of ragging on them that they haven't
played up to the potential this year. For the Cowboys with the inconsistencies.

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One game, the blow a teamout, the next game they'll lose to
a team they shouldn't. You know, start with the Cowboys side for me
first. But Dak Prescott had afantastic game. Yes, he couldn't come
up in the last the last littlebit there, the two last drives that
he had, but three and seventyfour yards three touchdowns for a team that
can't run the ball, they gotCeedee Lamb a lot of catches loven for

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one hundred and ninety one. Verygood game. Gives me more encouragement heading
into the back half of the seasonif you can match up on the road
in a tough place to play likethat, And for the Eagles, it
also gives me a lot more encouragementbecause to be honest, they do they
don't really play that well this year. That Jalen Hurts is turning over the
ball too much, and the factthat they be a good team I think
is a good thing going forward.At eight to one, they should be

(01:02:30):
the favorite to win the NFC.They should be the favorite to be the
number one seed, and you know, getting things going pretty good now is
gonna be good for them later ontoo. Yeah. I will completely agree
that I think Dak Prescott is playing, I mean so much better than last
year. I mean, no interceptionsagain in this game. But I will

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I will push back. I don't. I think this loss is is a
lot more concerning than most Cowboys fansare painting it out to be. Like,
sure, they only lost by five, and you know, Ceedee Lamb
was a couple of yards short ofthe goal line to end it, which

(01:03:14):
I'm not putting that on deck atall, I think because if you if
you watch that, Plague and CeedeeLamp sort of like shortened his route like.
But anyway, yeah, I thinkthis. I think this is concerning
because I mean the the Eagles andthe Eagles and Cowboys. Uh. I

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think the quarterback is a wash atthis point with Jalen Hurts turning over the
ball. But their running backs arebetter, their wide receivers are better,
their offensive line is better, theirdefensive line is better, their special teams
are better. Hey, your kicker'spretty good. But I think the only
like real clear advantage is is thesecondary. I think I think Philadelphia's secondary

(01:03:59):
it's continuing is continuing to be reallyreally bad, and no one's talking about
that because it doesn't matter almost becauseif you can like you can't, like
if you can block the seven allpros they have on their defensive line,
then their secondary can get torched.But not everyone's going to do that,
especially not in the playoffs when they'reyou know, playing with their hair on

(01:04:23):
fire. I do think that theCowboys have should honestly be favored in Dallas,
but the problem is home field advantage, and you know, the Eagles
are eight and one and they're stillsort of figuring it out. I think
this is concerning for the Cowboys playoffimplications as far as going going very deep

(01:04:44):
getting back to the NFC Championship game, and that's not I really truly believe
that, I really truly mean this. It's not really an indictment on the
on anyone on the Cowboys except forJerry Jones. It's just how good the
Eagles are, Like they're not playingtheir best and they're still winning all of
these games. Brandon Cooks has beena little better these past three weeks.

(01:05:11):
But but like when Dak's playing thiswell and you don't go get a running
back and your offensive line continues tobe injured, and you know, Deron
Bland isn't getting to pick six forthe fourth time. I like. I
just that the NFC playoffs are goingto be a little bit harder than I

(01:05:31):
think Cowboys fans are ready to believe. But then again, all these playoff
games are one game, and anythingcan happen in one game. But you
know that's just that's just my twocents on it. No, I think
give some down of points. Iwould at the beginning of the season,
I said I picked the Cowboys inthe NFC playoffs over anyone not named the

(01:05:53):
Eagles or forty nine Ers. Ithink I'm in the same spot here because
even though the forty nine ers arestruggling, when they were healthy, they
whooped the Cowboys, and the Eaglesstill have that that front seven depth,
which when the weather gets colder,front seven on defense and their offensive line
I think is going to play afactor. My my biggest issues right now
are the running game. I dothink they need a bruising running back,
and that's something that people kind offorgot with Zeke. I'm not saying they

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should have paid seek a lot ofmoney or anything or even kept them,
but you can go get a bruisingrunning back. Lennard Fournett's up in Buffalo.
You could have now, you couldhave signed him before he did that,
and then it'll allow Tony Pollard tobe more dynamic. And just Mike
McCarthy, can't. You can't convinceme that before the trade deadline, like
let's say Derrick Henry cost two firstfor whatever reason you don't want to do
that. You can't convince me thatthey couldn't have gone and gotten like someone

(01:06:40):
like CJ. Henderson, who's abit of a bowling ball, you know
what I mean from the Rams,Like I don't get it. They had
a few weaknesses that they could havereally shorn up and they just didn't do
it. And that is so antitheticalto everything we've been told to believe about

(01:07:01):
Jerry Jones and like, yeah,like this is all coming from the heart,
because like I'm I'm a Packers fan, so I have no ill will
towards the Cowboys. They've never threatenedmy team once, and that sounds like
you know it sounds like I'm talkingsmack, but seriously, like they they're
like this iconic franchise and like you'reso close and you just stand pat On.

(01:07:28):
I mean, Tony Pollard is good, but he's a speecher. You
need someone to go hit somebody inthe mouth, like maybe another offensive lineman,
because because yours keeps getting hurt.Like again, the secondary is playing
really well and Michael Parsons is insane. You're right there, dude, You're
so close. I interrupted you.I'm sorry, No, You're good.

(01:07:49):
I've like I said, I appreciatethe insight the like I said, the
I'm want them to get a bruisingrunning back. And I still's still guys
free agent wise or you guys youcan sign to do it. I believe
you meant Daryl Henderson, not TJHenderson. But just just don't get anyone
calling you saying that you don't knowball. Yeah, but the I think

(01:08:09):
that that's concerning to me. TerrenceSteel at right tackle has not played his
best season. And then also thelast thing that I'll say is I just
Mike McCarthy man the end of gamesituations. Yes, Dak has had his
his blunders in terms of clock management. But that's on a head coach too,
to use no one, to useyour timeouts, to know when to
run certain plays. Do not runthe ball when you're down by scores and

(01:08:30):
you have to like get stopped shortof the first down. That that's on
him. He's got to do better. I don't know if I have the
faith in him to do better.So I think they can beat a team
like last year they beat the Bucksin the first round, Bucks that are
losing record. If they get matchedup as they're the first wild card,
they play the worst division winner.Yeah, I think they win that game.
And then the next round if theyget matched up with the forty nine
ers or Eagles, yeah, Ithink they probably lose that game. It's
it's it's a tales oldest time.I wish they would have been more aggressive

(01:08:54):
at the deadline. The Cowboys havea great pr staff. Oh, we've
made all of our trades before theseason. When we got Stefan Gilmore,
that's great. You're in a differentposition now than you wear when you got
Stevan Gilmer. We're all happy he'swith the Cowboys, but you couldn't get
someone else. So I'm with youand That's an interesting thing to say about
Mike McCarthy too, because if youthink about when Mike McCarthy won his Super

(01:09:15):
Bowl with Green Bay, he hadone of the best quarterbacks in the league.
I believe Dak is top ten andhe had a top five defense,
and I believe this defense is topfive and the only thing missing, well,
he had a number one in likeJordy Nelson and a number two and
I guess Greg Jennings and Brandon Cooksyea, I take Jennings over Cooks right

(01:09:41):
now. But like the difference,the difference is James Jones, you know
what I'm saying. Like, thedifference is those running backs that Green Bay
had, Like like the these teamsare so similar and they're just one piece
away, and like that's that's whatdrives me crazy. But the clock management
stuff, like it's you know,he's the Cowboys are your team for the

(01:10:04):
most part. Like you can speaka little bit more to that, but
I just don't think the clock managementwould be as glaring, Like, you
know, people who played Madden allthe time would be like, you know,
hey, shouldn't have done that,But it just wouldn't be as glaring
if they just had that one morepiece. So yeah, you know,
I this has been all doom andgloom on the Cowboys side. There's still

(01:10:26):
there's still a really really good teamthat could go far because the playoffs are
one and done and literally anything couldhappen, especially when you have a turnover,
turnover hungry defense, you know whatI'm saying. Yeah, I mean
Michael Parsons could swat the ball outof anyone's hands at any point. So
it is what it is. Yeah, I think I saw a stat that
the Unders are hitting in sixty percentof games this year, sixty one percent,

(01:10:46):
which is the best of all season. I think a lot of credit
goes to these guys like Miles Garrettthat you mentioned earlier, you know,
TJ. Watt, which we're gonnatalk about more with that packer's pick here
later on, and in like MichaelParsons, they're just getting after the quarterbacks
and these aggressive secondaries taking advantage.So Cowboys definitely could turn things around.
And you know, three losses,one of them to the Eagles, one
of them tore the forty nine ers, one of them that inexplicable lost of

(01:11:08):
the Cardinals. But they can getback on track. In the next couple
weeks here and get back, youknow, get back to being thought of
as the top three team in theNFC, if they aren't still already.
Yep, all right, Bengals andBills Sunday night football, raucous environment.
They striped the Jungle as they createda good home field advantage. They you
know, did some cool stuff forDamar Hamlin, who came back in town
as he honored some of the peoplewho helped him at UC Medical Center.

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This is the this is the Bengalsteam I think we've been waiting to see.
They diced them up and Joe Burrowhad three and forty eight yards two
touchdowns. They got started early,too, which is one of the biggest
pet peeves the Bengal fans have is, oh, it's just run, run
pass, run, run pass.We get stopped for the first half.
Well, they scored twenty one firsthalf points, go up twenty one to
seven. It's a lot more easyto win these games when you go up

(01:11:51):
by that many points. Because theyonly needed three points in the second half
to win twenty four to eighteen.A couple of notes here, it seems
like the Bills are still Josh Allenare bust, They have no running game.
Stefan Diggs is still a rate receiver, and it's just those two are
pretty much. The offense doesn't work. The defense is totally banged up,
not very good right now. Andthe Bengals did lose Jamar Chase to well

(01:12:14):
he did play through it, buta back injury. They think that might
keep him out in the future.That could be a big problem because the
Bengals have struggled when their top threereceivers have one person missing. But good
for Tee Higgins get it catches forone hundred and ten yards. That was
huge because he hasn't had a goodgame this season yet. And I think
if you're the Bengals fan, you'rehappy that they're going rolling on all cylinders.
Even the tight ends got going withthis game. It's crazy. The
tight end group has been heavily criticized. Perfect game, exactly how you'd want

(01:12:36):
to draw it up. The tightends have been heavily criticized by Joe is
what he means. Yeah, No, this is the Bengals team. We
all like, you're right, thisis the one we've been waiting for.
I think we all saw the piecesof it while Joe Burrow was injured and

(01:12:57):
now he's healthy and nobody wants,no, he wants to play them.
Little discouraged about only three points inthe fourth quarter because that's normally when Joe
Burrow comes alive. But it seemslike he's almost better when he's down,
and he never was in this game. That's a lie. They they the
Bills scored first. Am I wrong? I think I thought the Bengals did,

(01:13:20):
but I can well never mind.Yeah, T Higgins getting going is
very encouraging. Joe Mixon like continuesto be almost underutilized, even though what
Joe was saying is true that lotsof Bengals fans are tired of run run
pass. It just seems like therethere have to be ways to get him

(01:13:45):
going, to really open up thatplay action Jamar Chase injury, We're gonna
have to We're gonna have to keepan eye on that. But like this
is the proverbial team that no onewants to play. And I know,
like all of like all the aresaying, like, okay, but like
the hard part of their schedule isstarting, like they they like barely got

(01:14:05):
through the easy part. But thisis what they do they beat, They
beat teams that are, i meanpurported to be better than them. The
only issue I have is their playoffshave almost started already, you know what
I mean. They can only loselike two more games in this division,

(01:14:26):
not in division. They can onlylose like two more games for the rest
of the season for people to notbe absolutely panicking. But everyone knows about
the mangles, Joe Burrows insaying mypick for the best quarterback in the league.
I have an article on that thatI'm sure that I'm sure the comments
are really really saying on. Butas far as the Bills go, I

(01:14:48):
mean, the defensive injuries are justhorrendous, absolutely next level bad. Josh
Allen, you know, everyone callinghim roller coaster Joh. He did have
an ill advised throw that turned itinto turned into an interception in this game,
but you know, it's it's it'sjust hard because this is the team

(01:15:13):
that starts slow. People are madat the Bengals for starting slow. This
team finds no rhythm other than Joshgo make a play, which you know
is fine because Josh is a goodquarterback. But like for these defenses that
see him a lot and that areready for him, I think that's why
they lose to the Patriots so often, is because the Patriots see him all

(01:15:38):
the time and they're ready for thatkind of thing. And the Bengals have
played them three times in the pasttwo years. I think it's just hard
for them to set set a rhythm. And I've given up on expecting Buffalo
to have a running game that isn'tJosh Allen. I think, you know,
Leonard Fournett coming into the fold maymean something, but I I truly

(01:16:02):
don't know what that might look likebecause I've never seen Josh Allen have a
running game. Span Dix is stillawesome. Gabe Gabe Davis is either really
great or on a milk carton,which is you know, which is hard.
But but yeah, I'm not readyto say the Bill season is over,

(01:16:24):
but they're they're firmly in wild cardterritory at this point. They're going
on the road in the playoffs ifthey make it. Yeah, especuar the
Dolphins. I mean, yeah,they have three losses, but they look
a lot better than the Bills doright now. And you know, for
the Bengals too, Yeah, theschedule gets a little tougher, but if
they execute these next couple of games. I mean, they have you know,
the Texans coming in this week.If they win that to go to

(01:16:45):
six and three, that with theAFC being so tight, that could really
help solidify maybe not the AFC North, but the playoff chances at least.
You know, it's always good tosee Burrow coming back and playing well because
he's able to escape the pocket,escape pressure and make plays for himself that
he was not able to make inthe first couple weeks of the season.
So they weathered the storm, theykept it alive, and it looks like

(01:17:05):
now they'll be making their little run. And the good news is for them,
they're a last place in the divisionright now. Is that I think
the Browns and Ravens play this week, they're making that pick. You know,
we'll be rooting for your Packers tobeat the Steelers. But you know,
a lot of times we've seen theschedule be a little bit easier for
some of these other AFC North teams, as is the case when they come
in lower positions in the in thedivision. But I'm sure it'll get tougher

(01:17:29):
for them too in the next coupleof weeks here too, as they play
each other and some other good teams. Yeah, I think I think the
main thing here is Bengals fans haveto be fed up at this point with
the slow starts, because the Bengalsneed these playoff games at home and they're
not going to get it yet.Again, the good news is, yeah,

(01:17:51):
they have these three losses, they'reall in conference, but they can
still go four and two in thisdivision, which is kind of insane.
So there is light at the endof the tunnel as far as playoff hopes
go. I mean, clearly becauseJoe Burrows are awesome, but I mean

(01:18:13):
they need this number one seed andthey're not going to get it as long
as they keep wasting early seasons.Like it's really frustrating to watch because like,
this city needs a playoff game athome, needs an AFC championship game
at home, is what I mean. Absolutely, And it's still a lot
of things possible with the AFC.But when you look at like the Ravens
only have two losses, the Chiefsonly have two losses, hoping both of

(01:18:35):
them collapse, it's not one thatwill likely happen. So all the Engles
can do is controls, just keepon winning and they'll have to try to
hope that other teams will lose.But you're right, the dude need home
playoff games. That is something thattotally bit them in the ass last two
year against the Chiefs, and theycould have won that game. So definitely
frustrating for Bengals fans for sure.All Right, monda night football. Then
we have the Chargers beating the Jetstwenty seven to six. I don't have

(01:18:59):
too much on this because it's everythingwe already know, right, Like,
the Chargers actually didn't play that welloffensively. It was just the fact that
the Jets offense got nothing going andset their set the posing offense. The
Chargers up well, twenty seven tosix. I don't know why the Jets
didn't go get a quarterback. Theycould have given Zack Wilson the two to
three weeks and said hey, thisis not the guy and then decided to

(01:19:19):
trade for again, Shcobe Brissett,Josh Jobs, any of these guys that
were going around. The only thingJack Wilson needs to do now is just
keep it afloat for Aaron Rodgers tocome back. Ben don't know if you
saw this, he was throwing fiftyfive yard passes in pregame warm ups yesterday,
So it looks like he's gonna comeback. He said in the post
game he's gonna be a couple moreweeks, but I guess you can't really

(01:19:40):
bank on that. But if that'swhat they're operating under Zach Wilson, all
he has to do is keep itsteady. Go four and four, maybe
go five and five after this,and then Aaron Rodgers might be back.
I don't know. Yeah, theonly thing I have to say about these
this game is Brandon Staley continuing tokeep his job alive. Justin Herbert not
throwing a touchdown pass, which isa little strange. Austin Eckler looked good

(01:20:05):
except for some pretty bad drops,and then yeah, the Jets just it
is shocking that their season is alive. I think four and four is like
you tell someone that you lose.You tell a Jets fan that they lose
Aaron Rodgers in the fourth place inthe fourth play of the season and through
nine weeks they're four and fourth,they'd be like, what we are?

(01:20:26):
You know what I mean? Ijust Aaron Rodgers needs to come back.
This offense looks pretty pitiful at times. But the defense is doing enough to
win and then Brandon Saley just holdingon by a thread to this job.
Chargers have too much talent on thisteam to be four and four, But

(01:20:47):
you know, I'm sure we've gonelonger than you and c s normally do
so, so I can just I'lljust move past this one boring game to
watch. I'll be honest with you. Caught up on caught up on some
shows during the second half, Yeah, the line was like only two and
a half in favor of the Chargers. I definitely bet on that, and

(01:21:09):
it was like, I don't reallyunderstand it, but yeah, if he
does come back, maybe in December, you say that's you know, give
him a couple more weeks to getback. Then it puts a lot of
pressure on Aaron Rodgers if they dohave a losing record, to kind of
be the savior. And not thathe hasn't done that before for your Packers,
but it's in a division where youhave the Dolphins and the Bills,
and you have, you know,a couple of games with the Dolphins left

(01:21:31):
this season, it could be verytough. So even him coming back doesn't
guarantee anything. The offense is averagingfourteen points a game. They averaged seventeen
last year when they almost made theplayoffs. They're worse this year. So
after they went and got it moreplayers and everything, it's it's kind of
kind of a stouting. So yep, all right, so we'll get to
our weekly picks. We're gonna startit off with me the line I'm not

(01:21:54):
gonna look up. I'm just gonnablind react. I'm gonna give you the
lines. Thursday at a fifteen isthe Thursday night game. You know,
we know these aren't the greatest allthe time. This one will not be
the greatest one. It has somestorylines going. We have the Carolina Panthers
at the Chicago Bears. We havethe DJ Moore trade, the Bryce Young
trade, all that fun stuff goingon the Panther excuse me. The Bears
are favorite by three and a halfat home. If you bet this game,

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you're a psychopath. I why wouldyou do this? The Panthers are
favorite at home. No, theBears are favorite by three and a half.
Bears. The Bears are favorite home. Sorry, I will take I'll
I'll take the Panthers in this game. I think I I don't know why

(01:22:42):
I because I don't believe in eitherof them, so I don't know,
let the road team win. I'msorry, I don't like gambling. Really,
isn't my forte And you just startedme off on like who would bet
this game? So I'll have I'llhave more insight later on. Yeah,
sure, I'll take the Panthers straightup money line, all right? Cool?
My philosophy on Thursday night games,unless there is an elite team playing,

(01:23:06):
I go with the points against thespread three and a half. I
mean, I feel like the teamsare evilly matched, and the Bears because
they're the home team. You mightthink, oh, that's kind of a
close margin. Well, how manyteams how many games end in a field
goal result in the NFL for week? It's plenty of them. So I'm
going with that. We know JustinFields is questionable for this game, and
if he does play, he willnot be one hundred percent he remember,

(01:23:29):
he hurt his thumb. So maybethey run the ball with him and they
can actually cover. But these aretwo bad teams. I'll take the Panthers
with the points. I'll take theBears at home with the money line.
I just I'll hedge my butt there. That's all I do. All right,
all right, Sunday we have anotherFrankfurt game, Frankfurt, Germany.
It is the Colts of Patriots,the old rivals from early in the two
thousands. The Colts are favored byone and a half points in Germany.

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First of all, I'll take theunder on these international games. Unders are
hitting this here. Yeah, Coltsmoneyline and against the spread. I think
I think there's some about Gardner Minshewplaying in Germany makes me think he's gonna
light him up. I can't explainthat, really, Yeah, I feel

(01:24:16):
like he definitely could. I amlooking for this Colts offense to have a
pretty good game in The Patriots defenseis good, but they can't possess the
ball. Mac Jones is not obviouslynot it that we talked about earlier.
I don't. I don't see howthis goes well for the Patriots other than
it's just like you said, aweird Germany game, or maybe something weird
happens, and you know, sometimesresults that we don't expect to happen.

(01:24:38):
But I'm going Colts. I thinktheir running game can kind of you know,
get up early, you can kindof ice the wind with that I
think their defense still has plenty oftalent on it. They'll figure out the
locker room issues, I think,down the stretch and still be a solid
team. Not one that'll make theplayoffs, but a solid team. Just
think about how grumpy is Bill Belichickto like, how grumpy Bill Belichick is
to play on Thursday, Like,can you imagine that plane ride with him

(01:25:00):
to Germany? God, that's gotto be the most miserable place to be.
Oh yeah, one hundred percent.I don't know. He's probably against
playing on Thursdays. He's probably againstplaying on any international games in the NFL
is just like, yeah, we'llkeep our money. You keep on doing
what you're doing. So yep,all right, the game that you specifically
want to pick. Here, man, we have the Packers at the Steelers.

(01:25:24):
The Steelers remember by three at home? I know there's you know,
like I said, we both knowsome Steelers fans in our lives that make
it easy to root against the Steelers. Here you going with here? So
Steelers being favored by three means ona neutral field, this would be a
pickup, which is so strange tome, But three is the perfect line.

(01:25:48):
Three plus the hook honestly, Iwould say I would say for everybody
like like Packers, because I feellike, like four points is four points
is like right right of what thisgame is gonna be. I my significant
other is a Steelers fan, andin good conscience, I will not pick

(01:26:12):
them against my team. It isnot happening. I will pick the Packers
plus three and a half hopefully theywin. But for everyone else out there,
maybe take the opposite of my advice. I'm not doing it, but
take the opposite of my advice ifyou're someone else. Yeah, I'm going
the Steelers to cover the three pointspread. There again, they're at home.

(01:26:34):
Mike Tomlin can get them to winat home. Yes, there's a
locker room issues to George Pickens,but nothing they haven't dealt with before.
I expect them to get Pickens.They to scheme him open against this Joe
Berry defense and at least to gethim some touches to keep them happy.
And you know, I think TJ. Watt will not make it a happy
day for Jordan Love. So I'mgonna go Steelers to win and cover.

(01:26:54):
I think. Do you think it'sgonna be a close game though, because
you know both these teams I don'tthink are the best of this season,
even though the Steelers record would indicatethat maybe they are. Yeah, moving
on, we have a rematch ofthe Minneapolis Miracle. We have the New
Orleans Saints at the Minnesota Vikings.The Saints are favored by two and a
half on the road. Take theVikings in this one. They're playing at

(01:27:15):
home. They're coming off the highof Josh Dobbs not knowing anybody's name.
Oh sorry, I'll take my hatup, not knowing anybody's name and learning
the cadence on the sideline during thegame. I think that's gonna continue.
Josh Doobbs is clearly an incredibly smartdude, and the Saints are a bad
team on the road, just completelydifferent home and road. Take the Saints.

(01:27:40):
Oh sorry, take the Vikings.Let me say, take the Vikings.
Sorry, I'm taking the Saints.Still winning cover and this is mostly
for me like a paper game.Like on paper, the Saints are a
much better team than the Vikings currentlyare with as you mentioned, Christian Darasol.
Their left tackle is banged up.I don't know if he's gonna play
this game. Kirk Cousins is outAlexander Madison is not a good running back,
at least not a good starting runningback. You know, justin Jefferson's

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out for this game. Jordan Daison'sgonna be really goodrookie. I'm impressed by
that. But on paper, ofthe Saints defense, I think is good
enough to be a one of thetop tier ones in the league, maybe
top ten. Ish have to havea defense. I believe they are right
around ten right now, and Ido think that sometimes you know, if
you have tape with the team onegame, I think Josh dobsonb he gets

(01:28:25):
figured out a little bit more.I mean, he's a very good quarterback.
The story is awesome. At theend of the day, no one
believed in him enough to keep himon the roster, whether it's the Browns
or Cardinals or whatever. Since he'sa journeyman. Happy for him. Big
story. I'm going Saints to winand cover on the road. Okay,
next one up, we got theHouston Texans at the Cincinnati Bengals. The
Bengals are favored by seven points andthe Bengals are at home. They're at

(01:28:48):
home seven points. Bengals to winand Texans to cover. I think all
right, I will say Bengals towin and cover. But if you are
a gambling person out there following ustease that spread down to six and a
half, the Bengals could very easilywin by a touchdown. It will frustrate

(01:29:10):
you to no. And if theBengals win by seven and then you get
a push. So I think theBengals are coming on strong. C J.
Stroud's having a great year, buthe's still a little inconsistent, as
most rookies are. I think theBengals defense is really coming a wrong strong
too, So I think I'll giveabout on this show. By the way,
I'm just I'm shocked by that.Well, you know Cecil here in
person all. Cecil will tell everyoneto tease every game on this podcast,

(01:29:32):
and usually it's it's good to do, so, you know, I just
try to keep the tradition. Sincehe's not here. Yeah, Bengals will
win and cover. For me,you have the Bengals winning, but the
Texans with the points move on tothe game. We mention a little bit
earlier, the Browns at the Ravens, the battle of the two cities who
hate each other because one stole theother team from the other. The Ravens
are favored by six points at home. The Ravens are favored by six at

(01:29:57):
home. I will I will takethe Ravens to win and the Browns to
cover. I think this is goingto be a nasty defensive slug fest.
Run the ball, three combined fumbles. I like the Ravens to win,
but I think the Browns can cover. That's six I'm going Ravens to win
and cover. Showed different different offense. We picked something different every time.

(01:30:21):
It's great. Usually me, it'sstill agreed that I don't know if that's
a good thing our bad thing,But I think until we see more good
offense, like one of the touchdownpasses last week for the Browns hit off
someone's face mask and went right intoMari Cooper's hands, Like this stuff won't
happen every day. So the defenseis very good, but this is a
whole different thing going up against LamarJackson. I'm going Ravens to win and

(01:30:42):
cover. I think that they've openedup things with their weapons, and if
they can run the ball a littlebit, which I think they could do
a little bit, they will openthings up for Lamar Jackson as well.
So Ravens to win and cover.Okay, next one, we have the
Titans at the Buccaneers Buccaneers ever byone and a half. Uh, I
will take the Buccaneers to win andcover. I think I think Will levis

(01:31:05):
Is four touchdown four touchdown game wasa little it was a little fougasy.
They're clearly just still not using DerrickHenry. And I just told you how
I feel about Baker Mayfield. Idon't think Chris Godwin's gotten into the action
very much in these past two games. And then he Baker Mayfield finds Mike

(01:31:29):
Baker Mayfield finds Mike Evans like TomBrady never did. And I think against
this Titan secondary that lost, youknow, Kevin Byron in a trade,
I I I'm just and in thein the warmer weather, I think Baker
Mayfield is gonna be I think he'sgonna be slinging around a lot and the
and the Titans would rather would ratherrun and protect their young quarterbacks. So

(01:31:54):
I'll go Buccaneers to win and cover. There we go. We'll agree on
that one. Buccaneers to win andcover. I do think that the Buccaneers
have had some post games, maybethey could have won if things go their
way. You mentioned Mike Evans ishaving a great season. He's court I
mean at this point he's quarterback.Grow first ten seasons of his career,
he's they had like a thousand yardsalmost and very consistent. I I am

(01:32:15):
a little concerned that when Tannehill's readyto go, they're gonna put him back
in the lineup because variable has notbeen very complimentary of Will Levisu for where
he was drafted, and you're beinga rookie. He's played well. I
mean, I don't know if we'llkeep that up, but that and they've
also used hy j Spears more thanDereck Henry in some situations and that bothers
me. So that's a little bitArthur Smith esque. And I'm gonna do
a Buccaneers curly out of spite there, Okay, San Francisco at the Jacksonville

(01:32:41):
Jaguars. San Francisco is favored bythree on the road, I will take
I'll take the Jaguars. I think, I think the forty nine ers there's
a very real chance they dropped fourin a row. All Right, I'm

(01:33:03):
gonna go forty nine ers to winand cover on the road for me.
This is more about there are issuesI think stem with these injuries, and
that does concern me down the stretch. But they just came off're coming off
a buy. Give Kyle Shannon aweek and more than a week to prepare
for this game. Have some guysmaybe get back from injury. We obviously
we're recording this Tuesday morning. Wedon't know the injury reports. We're doing
this way early, but I wouldimagine some of their guys are healthier after

(01:33:27):
a week and a half off.I'm gonna go fort Ninets win and cover
on the road. I know CalvinRidley hasn't been playing extremely well, but
I think I think Trevor Lawrence reallykind of might have his eye on the
number one overall seed. They're notgoing to look past this team. Also,
also, bet your mortgage on ChristianMcAffrey scoring a touchdown. This will

(01:33:54):
be the record. I believe hehas tied the record. This will be
the record for consecutive touchdowns in agame. So I mean, put the
house on it. The one timesomeone said bet the house on something in
this podcast, it the bet didnot hit. That was Cecil. Hey,
Well I'm not okay, Well,how guilty. You're gona feel if
someone bet the mortgage on it andthen he doesn't get a touchdown. I

(01:34:15):
don't know. I'll tell you what. I gotta tilt my camera a little
bit because I need to give myI need to get my my charger.
My computers are about to die.That's on me, everybody, my first
podcast. Sorry everyone, you runit, You run ahead, buddy.
I will set up the next gamewhile you do that. We have the
Detroit Lions at the Los Angeles Chargers. This will start the four pm Eastern

(01:34:40):
slate and on the Lions being pavoedon the road does scare me because it
is still the Detroit Lions at oneand a half points. But I'll take
the Lions to win and cover.The Chargers are a team that obviously this
past week against the Jets, theydid a lot of checkdowns. The defense
still isn't quite where you'd want itto be overall, but I will I'll
take the Lions because I think theycan run the ball now with David Montgomery

(01:35:03):
possibly coming back and Jamier Gibbs.Jared Goff is great when he's protected,
and while the Chargers do have goodpass rushers that offensive line is good too,
So I will take the Lions towin and cover. Ben is back
at his computer now I'm on back. Sorry one, Here you go.
Lions favored by one and a halfon the road against the Chargers. I

(01:35:25):
will take the Chargers. I thinkthey've been I think they've been a little
bit hotter. I think the Lionsare definitely a different team on the road.
Jared Jared Goff is a different quarterbackon the road. I'm sure you
just said all of these things.I'm so sorry, but you know they're
leaning towards getting David Montgomery back,and you know they're using Jamiir Gibbs more

(01:35:45):
and that's really encouraging and everything.But but the Chargers have been coming on,
like I don't know, holding thejust to six points isn't like a
huge deal. But I have lessbelief in the Lions and Jared Goff on
the road all told, So I'lltake the charters, all right, disagree
on another one. That's what welove to do here. Next four o'clock

(01:36:09):
Eastern game, we have the AtlantaFalcons at the Arizona Cardinals. The Falcons
are favored by one and a half. Line seems a bit low, right,
Yeah, I don't know. I'lltake the Falcons to win and cover.

(01:36:31):
You know, I just we justgot done talking about how Arthur Smith
doesn't use his players correctly. Butyou know this, this Cardinals team just
got twenty seven put on them bythe Browns, who we've kept talking about
how a dysfunctional offense at best.I'll take the Falcons to win and cover.

(01:36:54):
Right, I'm going to do acontingency pick here. If Kyler Murray
plays, which they said he's likelygoing to, I'm going Cardinals to win
this game. I think with JoshDobbs, they showed they were a feisty
team and can beat, you know, at least stick with some of the
worst teams, and they did beatthe Cowboys. Kyler Murray, I mean,
I think we forget I think there'sa lot of jokes about him with
the video game stuff, but hewas at one point, like in the

(01:37:15):
running for the MVP too. Don'tknow how healthy he'll be if he plays,
but it has been a long timesince he torey the ACL. This
one might be purely out of spitejust because of the Falcons not using their
guys, but I'll take the Cardinalsat home. I think they're due for
another win. They've they've their teamthat's played really tough, and I don't
think the quarterback last week, ClaytonTuone set them up for success against such
a good deef imagined that fifth roundrookie and you're thrust into the into the

(01:37:36):
game against Miles Garrett's first first start. That's great. So I'll get Cardinals
oga Cardinals with the points and Cardinalsthat's strange. I weirdly have less faith
in them. With Kyler Murray,I think I think he's he's already a
guy who clearly needs to knock therust off in the games that he's playing

(01:37:58):
consecutively. I have no faith inhim winning that game at all. Actually
that really mean, But like I'mI'm just I'm I'm knocking it around,
and I just don't. I don'tsee a world in which he plays extremely
well in that game. I reallydon't. Well. Either way, another
time to mention bet the under onthis game, because if Kyler Murty's rusty

(01:38:20):
and he's playing, or Clayton Tune'splaying, there's not gonna be a lot
of points scored. So either way, next what up we have the Washington
Commanders at the Seattle Seahawks. TheSeahawks if everyboy six and a half points,
Yeah, Seahawks to win and cover. Like you were just talking about,
you gotta you gotta throw the tapeaway from that last game. You

(01:38:43):
know, Pete Carroll's good enough,These receivers are good enough, that running
game is good enough, and thatdefense is really great. With Leonard Williams,
now, I think I think theyI think they come out and hit
the Commanders in the mouth, notfor anything the Commanders did, but for
what the Ravens did to them.Yeah, I'm doing the same thing.
I think they're a much more talentedteam. Looking forward to Landon Williams getting

(01:39:06):
more and more playing time as thetime goes on. This season with the
Seahawks and Commanders are a good team. They're fansy team, but going on
the roads a little bit different.And you know they've traded away some guys.
I think the first week, maybeyou can get by. But the
more and more time goes on,when you trade players away, the attrition's
gonna happen and you're gonna start losingsome more guys. So Seahawks will win
and cover yep. All right.The last of the four PM Eastern Times

(01:39:28):
four twenty five Eastern Time games,we have Dallas hosting the Giants. The
Cowboys are favored by sixteen and ahalf points. That's sixteen and a half.
This is what so Ben, Thisis one where if Tyron Taylor is
playing, or even Daniel Jones,I'm taking the points. This is a
ridiculous line. But it looks likeTommy Devitos in line to start another game.
So I mean, for me personally, I'm going Cowboys winning cover just

(01:39:48):
because of that alone. Hmmm,I'll take the Giants plus sixteen and a
half. I I the line isso absurd. Yeah, I don't.
Are you taking the Giants out rightnow? They have beaten up on bad
quarterbacks though, I'll I just Ijust think the line is too crazy.

(01:40:14):
I think I think two touchdowns plus. Last time they were favored this big,
I think they were a favor twelveand a half against the Cardinals and
they lost the game. Yeah,outright, I just don't see a world
in which I don't know. No, I all right, I'm taking the

(01:40:38):
Giants plus the points. I meanthe Cowboys are gonna wait, clearly,
but that's too many. I knowthe Giants look awful, almost seventeen points
though I don't know. Yeah,I don't have a reasoning other than that's
crazy. It's a crazy line.I mean, you're probably most of the
time right, And if it waslike even if they had ad anyone like

(01:41:01):
Colt McCoy quarterback, I'm going sixteenand a half. But it's Tommy DeVito
and he's been banged up, he'sbeen not had the most confidence flowing through
him. After the first couple oftimes he's gotten action, I'll think the
Cowboy. I think this is oneof these games where they win by forty
and everyone gets hyped up again,and then you know, when they play
the Eagles or forty nine ers,they just you know, break, rip
your heart out. I've seen thismovie so too many times. Okay,
so I have more faith in theItalian Stallion than you do. All right,

(01:41:25):
sounds good? Definitely, all right. Sunday Night football another one that
is in the Marquee matchup. We'vehad a lot more of these this year,
and I think a lot of itstems from the Jets, because the
Jets traveled to the Raiders take onAntonio Pierce as the new head coach.
Jets are favored by one and ahalf on the road. Oh god,
that's really the Sunday nd football game. I think I knew that, but

(01:41:46):
that's awful. Uh yeah, I'lltake the Jet. No, I'll take
the Jets in this game. Ithink there's a come down after the you
know, emotional sort of what theywin by twenty for twenty four point win
against the against the Giants. Ithink Devonte Adams scores in this game because

(01:42:10):
they tried. They wanted to feedhim more so, if you're a prop,
if you're a prop, better Iwould I would bet him to score.
But I think I think the Jetsand Zach Wilson sort of figure it
out a little more offensively against aRaiders defense that is is being their stats

(01:42:34):
are better than they are, ifthat makes sense, Like, well,
no, your stats mean you arewhat you are? No, No,
no, not always, you knowwhat I'm saying, Like, yeah,
I think the Raiders defense isn't quiteas good as you would be le as
you would be led to believe bytheir overall like numbers. So I'll take
the Jets. That's a that's arough pick. But yeah, that's my

(01:42:58):
picky Raiders with the points and againstthe spread. I don't know they're at
home. I do like the energythey got from Antonio Pierce being there.
I do like the strategy of,hey, we have good players, let's
use them. I'll try to rewardthat. The defense for the Jets does
scare me a little bit, butI just you just don't know week in
and week out how many points theiroffense can put up. If they were
gonna put up a lot of points, this is the defense to do it

(01:43:19):
against. But I'll take the Raiders, all right. Monday Night Football another
Barn Berner for some primetime games.They really need to get better at the
scheduling thing. We have the DenverBroncos at the Buffalo Bills, and the
Bills are fivered by seven and ahalf. Seven and a half seems right.
I'll take I'll take the Bills.I'll take in the points. I

(01:43:41):
think, I think, really truly, they've been like lambasted so far this
week in sports media and just likearound the NF the NFL sphere for losing
to the Bengals, which should nothappen. Like I know, the Bengals

(01:44:01):
were four and three when that gamestarted. But like they're better than that
record, you know what I mean, And the Bengals have their number.
I don't like. I said,it's not quite time to panic, and
they can. They can beat theBroncos, and they can beat them by
they can beat him by ten ormore. I don't. I don't really
see a reason to pick the Broncosin this spot other than since they've given

(01:44:27):
up seventy points. The defense hasbeen better. It has been good,
but it has been better. Yeah. I think this is the typical get
right game for a team that hastalent. But it's kind of like fallen
on a little bit of hard timeshere. With the Bills coming back home
to play a primetime game, evenif it is against lackluster opponent, you're
gonna have Bills fans crazy tail gettingall Monday next week. I think that's

(01:44:50):
really really good. Have an extraday of rest with some of these injured
guys, and they're not gonna getsome of these guys back, but that
means a whole heck of a lot. This is a team where where if
you don't throw it to PS twoon a corner, you can maybe avoid
throwing it to someone who can pickit off or make it play on the
ball, then that's huge. Maybethe move digs around, or maybe they
some of the other guys step up. Maybe maybe Gave Davis has this one

(01:45:13):
good game out of every four orfive, and you know that'll be good
for him. Yeah, I thinkthis is just to get red game that
they'll win by. I think maybelike ten or fourteen points. PS two.
I hadn't heard him called that.That's really fun, dude. Do
you think he was Do you thinkhe was alive to like play PS two?
I think they Broncos have done somevideos with him playing PS two and

(01:45:33):
I think it was, like,I don't think is he aware of it
though, Like he's gotta be like, you know where would like he probably
grew up with the PS three,but he probably had to know the PS
two, you know, with hisage being like what twenty four, twenty
five? God? Yeah, old, it's crazy. I just keep getting
older, you know what I mean, That's how it goes, all right,

(01:45:53):
So any final thoughts for the week, Ben, I No, I've
exhausted all of them. I thinkthis is truly, honestly, maybe one
of the worst weeks of NFL footballthat we have ever seen, and like

(01:46:15):
that's not a joke. Like gothrough those games that we just talked about,
and like three to four are excitingand worth watching. I'm including like
the Packers Steelers game in that likeit'll be ugly, like it'll be disgusting,
and that might be a little fun, but like I just there's I
mean, it starts with Thursday nightfootball as Bears at Panthers. Again,

(01:46:38):
it might be so bad it'll beentertaining. But but yeah, dude,
ladies, gentlemen, if this isthe weekend, like this might be the
weekend and be like, oh yeah, I'll go to that concert with you,
like you know, buy some goodwill, you know what I mean,
Like buy the Farmers Market goodwill.Like take someone out on a date and

(01:47:00):
just keep an eye on it throughover their shoulder. That's gonna suck.
Well, you you took my line. I usually tell people on the show,
Yeah, don't watch this Monday nightgame. Go spend time with your
with your significant other, and I'llupdate you the next podcast because that's what
we do. But it's not lookinggreat with primetime game specifically, So if

(01:47:20):
you have to do something in primetimethat that's gonna be something you can do.
Also doesn't help that three of thebest teams in the league, the
Chiefs, the Dolphins, and theEagles are on by the same week again,
NFL schedule makers, you want myhelp, I'll be here. We
can be Ben and I both canbe bought for a price. We can
we can make the schedule. Wewon't rig it in any of our teams.
Family, I will be lower thanyou think it might be. There

(01:47:40):
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(01:48:01):
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it. Yeah again the third bethe Ben and the Dawn. There you

(01:48:30):
go. Yeah, thank you forhaving me, Joe. I appreciate it.
It's not like we speak every singleday of our lives, so so
this was nice. It was niceto sit down and chat for once.
Oh absolutely so. Thanks everyone forwatching. We'll see you guys next week