October 17, 2025 • 33 mins
In this engaging episode of The Thriving Christian Artist Podcast, I talk with multi-talented Canadian creative Rob Dinwoodie—a visual artist, musician, and entrepreneur whose life blends artistry, faith, and purpose.
From his roots in British Columbia to his work as a performer and creator, Rob shares how he’s embraced creativity as a lifelong pursuit without letting the pressure of monetization steal the joy.
We discuss the value of formative years spent honing your craft, the freedom that comes from knowing your identity in Christ, and the importance of maintaining a playful, authentic spirit in your work. Whether through his art, music, or community presence, Rob’s story is a reminder that creativity flows best when it’s rooted in purpose and joy.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
- Why embracing the process matters more than rushing to monetize your art
- How to keep joy and authenticity at the center of your creative life
- The value of freedom and play in artistic expression
- Lessons from combining multiple creative disciplines
- Staying grounded in your identity in Christ as an artist
🌟 Favorite Quotes from This Episode:
“One of the things that I think robs artists of the joy of creativity is trying to monetize things too soon.” — Matt Tommey
“We’re not defined as artists by our last gig, or by how much we’re selling our work for… we’re defined by who God says we are.” — Matt Tommey
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All over the world, artists are awakening.
Painters and potters, writersand weavers, poets and dancers,
not chasing followers or fame,but sons and daughters called
for such a time as this,transformed from the inside out,
creating with purpose,releasing the glory of God and
living in the power of thekingdom.
Right now, this is the ThrivingChristian Artist.
(00:21):
Well, hey, friends, welcomeagain to the podcast.
Super glad you're here.
I'm Matt Tomei, your host, andreally excited to have a new
friend of mine that I'm justgetting to know, rob Dinwoody,
who is out in British Columbiaand is one of those guys that
the Lord just poured extratalent in, not only an artist,
(00:42):
visual artist, not only amusician lots of other things
that he's doing.
Entrepreneur and Rob, superglad to have you on the podcast
today.
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Right, thanks.
Thanks a lot, matt, reallyappreciate it Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
For those who are just getting to know, you maybe
give us an idea of where you arein the world exactly and what
your life looks like right now,and then we'll jump into a
little bit of your backstory andwhat your life looks like right
now, and then we'll jump into alittle bit of your backstory.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, so I was born.
If you're familiar with Canada,western part of Canada is the
prairies from Ontario.
West, basically it's flat andyou hit the Rocky Mountains and
I'm in British Columbia and it'sa little strip.
I was just saying to Matt thatI live in the Okanagan Valley
beautiful place.
A lot of people know Kelowna.
That's kind of a common centerbut a real fruit-growing region.
(01:28):
I was born in Alberta, born acowboy, and we kind of had a
mixed farm horses and cattle andI was always around horses and
had the good fortune.
It's interesting when I repliedto your email, matt, before
meeting you, I thought of howGod directs steps and I could
(01:52):
see that in my life and I couldsee it in all of our lives,
right, so I've had the goodfortune.
Dad moved us out to BritishColumbia.
He had some health problemshe's passed away since then but
really had just a multitude ofthings.
As I reflect on my life, Ithink, just the fingerprint of
God all over it, and sometimesyou're so busy going forward you
(02:16):
forget to look back, and so youknow this is a good opportunity
for me to think about all hisblessings.
Opportunity for me to thinkabout all his blessings.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Absolutely, Absolutely.
You know, it's easy, I think,for people maybe that have grown
up in a farming life,agricultural life you're on all
the time, like always somethingto do.
I can imagine that creativityand the arts and that sort of
thing may have had a tendency toget pushed to the side or to
the bottom of the list in yourlife, but it seems like that
(02:45):
you've really been intentionalabout cultivating that.
So when did creativity and artor music or whichever came first
?
When did that start to emergein your life?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well, I actually had that question posed to me
yesterday and come from a familyof six kids and seemed like mom
was always have another kid andso she.
She put a pencil in my hand.
I was a little guy.
I still remember uh her sayingwould draw a picture, robbie,
and, and I would draw.
And since I since as long as Ican remember I've I've drawn,
but a very, very as a little kidvery critical of uh ability,
(03:19):
right and and uh later on thewhole, the musical aspect came
in.
I uh again bought a guitar whenI was quite young.
I wanted to play, couldn't playwith a hoot.
I used the 50% principleplaying the guitar.
I knew if you played two chords, there's three chords in most
songs and you have a 50% chanceof hitting the right one.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
That's how well.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I played.
So I thought, well, you knowwhat I love music.
And I thought you know I can't,I'm having difficulty playing.
You know songs, you know someof the artists that I really
enjoyed.
And I thought you know what,I'm just going to write my own
songs.
And I started writing and itbecame a real part.
And then the part that I reallyfind, you know, that whole
(04:11):
direction of God in my life wasI mean, I find and I see people
involved in the music industryand the arts I read an article
one time I was quite young LikeI was quite young.
I'm 67 now looking back and Iread an article that too often a
very good artist, when they'rediscovered when they're young,
uh, they burn out because theycan't.
They can't keep up the pace,they don't have enough maturity
to know how to, how to engage.
(04:32):
And I thought, you know, whenyou look back, sometimes it's,
uh, you know, I've thought.
I remember saying that manytimes when I was younger I'm
going to be a professionalartist, going to be a
professional musician, and andGod had a different plan.
He allowed me to go throughuniversity.
I've got an agricultural degreeand I worked for I just
recently retired, three yearsago from range management.
(04:54):
So I was in charge of the rangeprogram, which is cattle on
public lands, and got to meetsome phenomenal people and
phenomenal history and it fedinto both my music and art and
it seems like I look at art andmusic very much differently now.
(05:15):
I don't look at it as aneconomic driver because I was
very, very fortunate and I guessto all the artists and
musicians that are out there isrecognize the gift you have is
from God and he wants you to useit, but he's the provider, and
don't you know?
So I looked at my life and Ithink, yeah, I've paid my bills
(05:38):
abundantly and they gave mefreedom to write whatever I
wanted to write.
I could write a song.
It doesn't matter if it's aradio playable song.
You got a few.
I'm on Spotify and stuff likethat, but it doesn't matter.
You know, like I love thecreativity that comes out of not
having the pressure to you know, you're only as good as your
(06:00):
last gig.
I don't you know there's thatmusical saying last gig.
I don't you know there's thatmusical set and so yeah, so
that's a little bit it, matt,like it really.
Uh, I, I find how, how lifeweaves in the creativity and uh,
it's quite exciting to me.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I think that's so good because you know, as we're
just getting to know each other,a big part of of my life having
I was in ministry for a longtime.
I was a working musician inministry and then I had a
graphic design web designbusiness for a long time.
Since 2009, I've been mentoringartists and a big part of that
is coaching artists on how toturn their hobby into a business
(06:36):
.
But one of the things thatbecause that was kind of my
story so that's kind of how.
God used that to help others.
But what has been interestingto me, I think that I'm, having
done this for so long and, kindof like you, retrospectively
looking back one of the thingsthat I think robs artists of the
joy of creativity is trying tomonetize things too soon and
(07:00):
just always in this.
You know our day and time welive in.
I was just trying to make moneyfrom everything.
There's just so much to be said.
And I look back at my own lifefor, like I did my, I've been a
basket weaver, sculptor, allthis for for many years, did
that as a hobby, for 13 years,before I ever really thought
about selling it full time and Ijust thought, man, those are,
(07:22):
those are such formative yearswhere God was teaching me, not
only artistically but also in mycharacter and just all the
stuff that he does to to lead usalong the way.
And, um, I just love it thatyou've been able to embrace that
, this idea that I'm making myliving this way, but I'm able to
.
That gives me the freedom topursue my art, because we're not
(07:42):
defined as artists, as you said, by your last gig or by how
much are we selling our work for, or even that we're selling our
work, but we're defined by whoGod says we are Right, and
that's just huge.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, yeah, no, I would agree with that, matt.
So when I, when I look again,looking back, it sometimes is
really interesting.
Like, like, as that happens,those interesting twists to it
is I find that looking ahead.
I said this to a friend theother day who also is a musician
, is a phenomenal guitar player.
(08:17):
I played with him for years andI said I find it interesting.
I think faith you know that Ithink most people know Hebrews
11, one where it says faith is asubstance of things hoped for,
the evidence of things not seen.
And so what we don't see is thefuture.
And you'd think I remember whenI was 30, 25 years old, I
(08:40):
thought, yeah, when I'm olderI'm going to have so much faith
and what I come to realize isthat it's faith in anything.
But when I look back, I've gota lot of faith.
Yeah, god did that, he did that.
I could write a book, I mean anencyclopedia, on what he's done
in my life.
And then I look at the present,or I look at the future and I
(09:03):
think, yeah, he can do it again.
But then I look in the present,the present moment, and I think
, oh, my goodness, like you'vegot these things that I think no
(09:32):
faith is.
The is hanging on to the nowwith remembering.
I'm not a big artist like interms of big, in terms of, you
know, like world renowned butwhat I've come to realize is
that every individual isimportant, and so that little
granny that comes to my show,they were created by God and
they need a lot of times.
(09:54):
People just need to havepurpose and they need to know
that somebody cares for them,and I find that at the you know
again our shows we've donecowboy dinner shows and you know
a lot of it's for tours, we doit for any event and it's always
overwhelming to me the responsethat I get.
And quite of it's for tours, wedo it for any event, and it's
always overwhelming to me theresponse that I get, and quite
often it's people that are over50.
(10:16):
And I think our society and ourculture tends to write people
off, and not that there'sanything wrong with the youth,
but by the time you hit 50, man,you've got a scope of
experience that is overwhelmingand God gave that to you and he
wants to use that and I thinkthat I'm just looking forward.
(10:38):
I am 67 now and I'm just lookingforward.
I'm just starting to reallyunderstand.
God's getting bigger.
I'm getting tinier, but as hegets bigger, the possibilities
are just endless, you know andso.
So when I bring you into thecontext of art is that I've
(10:58):
learned, like all, sometimes sitdown with a with a, like I take
.
I take a little book like I got.
I got one of my little binders,I don't know it's buy them at
local art stores.
What size is this?
You know it's eight by four orsomething like that.
But every morning I just takemy and I do pen and ink.
(11:19):
I started with pencil and whenyou're working in ink it's very
unforgiving because you don'tuse an eraser with ink.
And I find it very interestingis that this is where the Holy
Spirit kind of works in you.
Is that I'll just I actuallyliterally will just start
scribbling, you know, and youknow a picture will come out of
(11:41):
a cowboy on a horse right.
And it'll take.
It'll take, literally, it'lltake that this picture, this is
a bunch of ink tins so I usethis to put the shading on the
picture.
But I guess my point is thatit's almost like I really
understand the artist.
(12:01):
Like, Charlie Russell was aphenomenal cowboy artist back in
the 1800s into the 1900s.
He made a comment one time thatreally resonated with me.
He said don't give the artisttoo much credit.
He can't help it if he's good,and I thought that was
interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I love that.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So you know, again, just looking at sort of life is
don't ever limit yourself anddon't practice your mistakes.
It's like guitar playing.
I'm playing with some reallyfabulous musicians.
In fact, one of the guys tunesmy guitar on stage when I'm
playing.
He'll actually reach over andhe'll tune my guitar when I'm
(12:45):
playing it.
You know he's so and I think Ijust smile, I say thanks a lot,
kevin.
But the reality is when you playwith or you're around people,
it doesn't mean you excludeothers, but in order to develop
your craft or your talent,another man, you're gifted.
(13:07):
He says I'm not really gifted.
He says, but I've just honed mytalent and I think really he's
a wonderful Christian man, likehe's one of my guys that I just
love as a friend and you know wecan have great musical
discussions and spiritualdiscussions.
But he says you know, I thinkthat it really resonated with me
(13:30):
because he says, rob, you know,if you want to get good, you
got to practice your craft,you've got to you be around
people that know.
Don't be afraid of saying youknow I need to improve and you
know like I daily, uh, am inthat place and so, and then, and
then the sort of the flip sideto that is, I started realizing
we always feel like we're 30.
Somehow, you just you know inyour own mind.
(13:52):
You know I haven't aged in mymind and when I look in the
mirror I don't even recognizemyself anymore.
Who is this guy?
Who is this guy with that whitehaircut, with three daughters,
exactly.
But you know, like, I thinkit's really important that we
also share, because youngerartists I remember when I was I
(14:15):
was about 30 years old and therewas a real phenomenal artist,
western artist, in a localcommunity and I'd go past his
place, I was working, and Ithought, oh, I'd just like to go
drop in and see John, you know,like just to get some tidbits.
And I got enough courage one dayand I pulled into his yard and
I knocked on his door and I saidyou know, john, his name is
(14:37):
John Ralph Schoenberger, aphenomenal Western artist.
And I said I'm Rob.
I said would you mind if I justsaid hi?
He said, oh, no, come on in.
And I spent the afternoon withhim.
He was so gracious and when Ithink about him, there were some
things that he said to me thatday that really resonated, you
(14:57):
know, like, as I thought aboutit, like he said.
You know, for example, he saidthe darkest dark should be
against the lightest lights, andI never really I thought what
are you talking about, john?
And then, when you're a painteror doing even black and white,
that's what happens in life,like the darkest arts are always
(15:17):
against the lightest lights.
If it's really extreme light,there's extreme darkness, and I
guess that's in life itself,like God created that.
Sure Is that I'm not afraid ofdarkness anymore, because the
darkness is overcome by thelight, and so it's really not
only in creativity, and I thinkthat's the thing that I'm
(15:38):
starting to see more of too isthe spirituality of creation, of
the essence of God in allthings, of the essence of God in
all things.
And yet, very personally, gaveus Jesus to be personal with us.
Because, apart from that, Ireally have difficulty sort of
(16:00):
fathoming this Father God,because his magnitude is so
immense.
So it's nice to have him as adad, and I'll talk to him and
I'll say Father, how do I dothis Exactly?
And I'm still, I'm consultingnow and I love it, I love
(16:25):
agriculture and I love theopportunities, and so I'll just
say you'll help me today to dowhat I have to do.
And, more importantly, I thinkand this is something I missed
for years because when we'reyoung, it's sort of natural for
humans to want to be known, likewe all want to be known.
I came from a family of fiveboys, right in the middle.
(16:47):
Know you'll, you, you want tobe known as something or
somebody, sure, and?
And so you know, that's sort ofthe natural inclination that
people have.
I want to be known, I'm anartist, I'm a musician and
sometimes we've we uh, in that,uh, I don't know, striving is
the right word, but in thatendeavor, uh, we miss out on the
(17:10):
fact that God's on the journeywith us and we don't have to be
worried about what the nextthing is or that I'm going to be
okay.
And I think that's somethingthat I'm starting to realize now
as I get older is that I wasmade this for eternity?
I've been really thinking aboutthat lately.
Is that the?
I was made this for eternity?
(17:30):
I've been really thinking aboutthat lately.
Is that the eternal?
It's not just here and now.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's that, you know.
So we've been given somethinglike.
It's not this ethereal realmthat we're going to, but it's a
very purposeful.
God is purposeful in how hecreated a tree, how he created a
horse, how he created man'sthoughts, and so the purpose of
the artist.
You know, I think of the.
(17:57):
I often love reading, you readback in Leviticus and you look,
the artists were chosen to.
One artist developed thebeautiful structures within the
temple of God.
This is for God, and you knowso.
The artist was a very selected.
(18:19):
He wasn't.
He wasn't An afterthought, anaccident.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
No, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
And so when I really think about it, so I think I
think now I'm thinking how do Idedicate and I guess where I'm
going?
Matt, I went off on a cow trail.
I always do that.
But but went down this cowtrail.
If you've ever followed a cowtrail, they'll always come back
to the main one.
But they'll often wander away inthe bush.
(18:47):
So that's sometimes my train ofthought is like that.
But coming back to the mean cowtrail, is that I think God is
quite interested in people andvery interested in people,
because he would never have sentJesus, he would never have come
in flesh, right, if you think,why did he do that?
(19:08):
He didn't have to do that, andso he did because he wanted, he
wanted people.
He wants every person.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
he wants every person to know him yeah, you know as
I've been looking at your yourwebsite today and looking at
watching some of your videos andlooking at some of your artwork
and all that, and in talking toyou um, I love talking to guys.
I'm 51, so you're a littlefurther ahead on the journey
than I am.
I love to talk to guys that arein your stage of life because
(19:40):
there's just such a settlednessin you and one of the things
that really caught me, I think,when I was looking at watching
some of your music videos andlooking at your art and all that
, there's this real sort ofrelaxed sort of way that you
present yourself, the way youcreate even the songs you sing
(20:01):
Tons of humor but a lot of fun.
You can tell you guys arehaving a blast when you're
playing, having a blast whenyou're playing, and it seems to
me that you have really embracedthis whole idea of a life
well-lived in the kingdom of God, that I'm his son.
Like you said, he's my dad.
Whatever I'm doing, he loves me, he's there with me, he's
(20:24):
called me according to hispurposes.
I don't have need of anythingbecause he's already gone before
me.
That just kind of oozes out ofyou and I think so many of the
artists that I work with andeven people we interview here on
, you know, on the podcast,sometimes there could be a real
pressure to like live worthy ofa calling.
You know, and I kind of havethis, and not that we're not but
(20:45):
like this heaviness on us, likeI've got to do everything to
please God, and it seems likeand I just I know from my own
life as I'm endeavoring to walkwith the Lord there's this
beautiful freedom that comeswhen you know that you're his
son, that he's your dad, that healready has everything provided
for you and he's already seenthe beginning from the end, that
(21:07):
there's no need to worry.
And I just I would love for youto just kind of dig into that a
little bit, because I notreally knowing you, knowing you,
that really comes out ineverything, the way that you
present yourself, and I'm I'msure that that's been a deep
well that the Lord's dug in yourlife over the years for us,
(23:08):
like I was reflecting.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
So you started as an artist, became a musician.
I mean, this is just thingsthat I love.
I was a bullfighter.
I rode in rodeo.
I went from rodeo into, youknow, agricultural realm.
I worked at the University ofManitoba in the plant science
(23:30):
department.
I knew research wasn't for me.
Came out of that.
God's hand is just alwaysmoving, always moving, always
moving.
And so when I think enteringinto the kingdom now, I just
think, wow, like who wouldn'twant to be here?
Like it's just.
I find it just.
I don't know even how todescribe it.
(23:52):
It's just like it's like mylast name is Adinwadi.
I'm Adinwadi.
Like we all have a last name.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
We all come from somewhere and it's like my last
name is or middle name orwhatever.
I'm associated with the King ofKings.
I am royalty and everything thathe has for me.
And he knows my culture, heknows my misgivings, he knows my
(24:23):
sins, he knows, you know, thatwe're not perfect, and that's
why I think one thing, a versethat comes to mind Paul wrote he
said, he says all things may beI forget the exact term but he
said all things might beacceptable, but they're not all
beneficial.
So if you're under the grace ofthe King of Kings, it is
(24:47):
complete.
There's nothing left.
So I'm just completely soakingin the righteousness of Jesus
Christ.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I am.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
There's nothing I can do, nothing I can do to
separate me from the love of God.
And so, within that, so, ratherthan just say, you know, sit in
the sunshine, then I take mylife, sit in the sunshine, then
I take my life and I say, okay,father, who do you want me to
(25:18):
see?
I'll tell you a little story.
Tom is, I've got a little pieceof property and it's a hillside
and I just have pasture forhorses and it was covered in
rocks, like when I say coverednot completely, but there's
rocks everywhere.
I thought every rock iscovering a piece of grass for my
horse, so I'm going to pick itup.
I started piling these rocks.
I thought I hate piling rocks.
(25:41):
Honestly, I hate piling rocksEvery morning.
I thought I'm going to makethis purposeful.
25 years ago that's when webought this property I started
piling these rocks up.
Every morning I'd take a rockand I thought I'm going to make
a prayer pile.
And I just recently got a bookcalled the Altar of Uncut Stones
.
I'm really interested inreading that book.
(26:01):
But I pick up a rock everymorning and I pray for somebody
or about something.
Literally, the rock pile is nowover six feet high and about
eight feet in diameter, but it'sjust rocks.
And every morning I go up therewith my dogs and I pray every
(26:22):
morning like 365.
And I'm not saying that to brag, but I'm saying that if just
what I've seen is the power ofAlmighty God, he doesn't just
answer the way, sometimes heanswers exactly as we pray.
But it's more about thatrelationship.
Say, father, you know, I'mconcerned about Joe.
I'm concerned.
How do you want me to prayabout him?
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What do you want me to do?
How do I approach this?
And sort of, within theartistic world, you know, people
are very fascinated with musicand art.
They want to touch the artist.
Sometimes they'll buy a pieceof art.
They don't really want thepiece of art, they just want
what you have.
That's what they want.
And when they look at what youdid, they remember you and who
(27:09):
you were.
And so I think what anopportunity for me to really
share the gospel.
And the gospel doesn't have tobe with words, it's just being
kind to somebody, saying youknow what?
Like young people, you're agood like.
I just love encouraging people.
You're a phenomenal musicwriter, you're a songwriter,
(27:30):
you're doing so good.
Carry on, carry on, carry on.
So we're human beings.
We're so reluctant to give outpraise and encouragement to
people because I think most ofus have never received it.
And so we don't know how to doit, and so I think when I'm
(27:51):
thinking of music or anything,it's just saying man, those
glasses look good on you, Matt.
It's like that verse inProverbs that says you know, he
who refreshes others, will berefreshed, himself be refreshed,
and I just we never go wrongwith giving to each other and
that's such a huge thing.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You know, rob, as we're kind of wrapping up our
time together, I would love foryou to just encourage those
artists out there that maybetheir life is.
You know, art has always been areally important part of their
life, but the enemy has beenbeating them up because they're
not making a full-time livingfrom their art, they're not a
full-time musician, they've beendoing something else and maybe
living from their art, orthey're not a full-time musician
, they've been doing somethingelse and maybe the enemy's
(28:33):
beating them up saying, well,you don't really count, you're
not a real artist, you're, youknow all the stuff.
What would you say to them?
And uh, as we close our timetogether today, yeah, well,
thanks, man.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I mean, this has been a lot of fun, right absolutely
wonder what it was going to belike.
But I I would say to anymusician or artist out there it
doesn't matter where you stackup in terms of, you know, we're
our own worst judges, we look atwhat we do.
We say I'm not as good asRobert Bateman, I'm not as good
(29:05):
as Michelangelo, I'm not as goodas Bono or whoever your
favorite musician orsinger-songwriter is.
And I would just say to youthat, because so again, I'll say
something that was given to me.
I was 25 years old, I was goingthrough university, I was asked
to play on this televisionbroadcast.
(29:28):
It was a cable thing inWinnipeg at Christmas time and
it was a Jewish Christian manand I went there and I could
hardly you know, like I thoughtwhat am I doing here?
You know, you just ask yourselfdoubt, what the heck, why would
you have me?
And uh, and I was watching afriend of mine play the piano
and I just made a comment to himand I said, you know, I said I
(29:51):
sure admire gifted people, andhe looked at me and he said son,
he says God told me one time.
And he says listen up.
He says the gift is not theability, the gift is the desire.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
That's good, the gift is not the ability.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
The gift is the desire, and if you have desire,
if God's planted desire in yourheart to be an artist, musician,
singer, songwriter, whatever itis, he put it there and if you
desire it, then he's with youand he's with you anyways, but
(30:33):
don't ever doubt and just keepmoving forward.
So I really appreciate being on, matt and I hope somebody gets
encouraged by this and down theline they'll tell somebody else
that Pass it on.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I just I say this all the timeGod's not looking for our
perfection, he's looking for ouryes, and I love that that
you're just saying it's Godimplants the desire, and when we
say yes to that, it's like heopens up the floodgates of
blessings and provision andleadership of the Holy spirit in
our life, and and that's just,that's just so good.
(31:04):
Rob, I know people are going towant to go to your website,
social media, all the stuff andconnect more with you, so
where's the best place?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
for them to be able to do that.
So I, I I'm a, I'm a facebookuser, so I got a lot of friends.
That I don't I we call themfriends, but but I, I truly, uh,
I post a lot of my work, like I.
I do my morning sketches every,just about every morning, and I
post somebody.
I post one this morningsketches, just about every
morning, and I post somebody.
I posted one this morning.
So just go to Facebook.
(31:35):
I've got a business page calledCowboy Rob and Rob Dinwiddie.
I've got sort of the personalpage, and then I've got a
website, robdinwiddiecom, andI've got my music and my art
there.
I have trouble.
I don't manage my website verywell, so I get behind and six
months later I start puttingstuff on.
(31:57):
But if people want to reach outto me and don't hesitate.
If you've got questions, myemail address there in the
contacts on my webpage.
If you want to reach out and ifyou felt encouraged by today,
or if you need a littleencouragement, or don't hesitate
to reach out and just keep atit.
(32:18):
That's the big thing is, justkeep at it.
You're one of a kind.
You're the only one.
God broke the mold when he madeyou and he's expecting you to
use everything he gave you.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, so good, rob.
Thank you so much, man, forbeing on the podcast.
It's been a pleasure.
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(00:21):
Well, hey, friends, welcomeagain to the podcast.
Super glad you're here.
I'm Matt Tomei, your host, andreally excited to have a new
friend of mine that I'm justgetting to know, rob Dinwoody,
who is out in British Columbiaand is one of those guys that
the Lord just poured extratalent in, not only an artist,
(00:42):
visual artist, not only amusician lots of other things
that he's doing.
Entrepreneur and Rob, superglad to have you on the podcast
today.
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Right, thanks.
Thanks a lot, matt, reallyappreciate it Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
For those who are just getting to know, you maybe
give us an idea of where you arein the world exactly and what
your life looks like right now,and then we'll jump into a
little bit of your backstory andwhat your life looks like right
now, and then we'll jump into alittle bit of your backstory.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, so I was born.
If you're familiar with Canada,western part of Canada is the
prairies from Ontario.
West, basically it's flat andyou hit the Rocky Mountains and
I'm in British Columbia and it'sa little strip.
I was just saying to Matt thatI live in the Okanagan Valley
beautiful place.
A lot of people know Kelowna.
That's kind of a common centerbut a real fruit-growing region.
(01:28):
I was born in Alberta, born acowboy, and we kind of had a
mixed farm horses and cattle andI was always around horses and
had the good fortune.
It's interesting when I repliedto your email, matt, before
meeting you, I thought of howGod directs steps and I could
(01:52):
see that in my life and I couldsee it in all of our lives,
right, so I've had the goodfortune.
Dad moved us out to BritishColumbia.
He had some health problemshe's passed away since then but
really had just a multitude ofthings.
As I reflect on my life, Ithink, just the fingerprint of
God all over it, and sometimesyou're so busy going forward you
(02:16):
forget to look back, and so youknow this is a good opportunity
for me to think about all hisblessings.
Opportunity for me to thinkabout all his blessings.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Absolutely, Absolutely.
You know, it's easy, I think,for people maybe that have grown
up in a farming life,agricultural life you're on all
the time, like always somethingto do.
I can imagine that creativityand the arts and that sort of
thing may have had a tendency toget pushed to the side or to
the bottom of the list in yourlife, but it seems like that
(02:45):
you've really been intentionalabout cultivating that.
So when did creativity and artor music or whichever came first
?
When did that start to emergein your life?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well, I actually had that question posed to me
yesterday and come from a familyof six kids and seemed like mom
was always have another kid andso she.
She put a pencil in my hand.
I was a little guy.
I still remember uh her sayingwould draw a picture, robbie,
and, and I would draw.
And since I since as long as Ican remember I've I've drawn,
but a very, very as a little kidvery critical of uh ability,
(03:19):
right and and uh later on thewhole, the musical aspect came
in.
I uh again bought a guitar whenI was quite young.
I wanted to play, couldn't playwith a hoot.
I used the 50% principleplaying the guitar.
I knew if you played two chords, there's three chords in most
songs and you have a 50% chanceof hitting the right one.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
That's how well.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I played.
So I thought, well, you knowwhat I love music.
And I thought you know I can't,I'm having difficulty playing.
You know songs, you know someof the artists that I really
enjoyed.
And I thought you know what,I'm just going to write my own
songs.
And I started writing and itbecame a real part.
And then the part that I reallyfind, you know, that whole
(04:11):
direction of God in my life wasI mean, I find and I see people
involved in the music industryand the arts I read an article
one time I was quite young LikeI was quite young.
I'm 67 now looking back and Iread an article that too often a
very good artist, when they'rediscovered when they're young,
uh, they burn out because theycan't.
They can't keep up the pace,they don't have enough maturity
to know how to, how to engage.
(04:32):
And I thought, you know, whenyou look back, sometimes it's,
uh, you know, I've thought.
I remember saying that manytimes when I was younger I'm
going to be a professionalartist, going to be a
professional musician, and andGod had a different plan.
He allowed me to go throughuniversity.
I've got an agricultural degreeand I worked for I just
recently retired, three yearsago from range management.
(04:54):
So I was in charge of the rangeprogram, which is cattle on
public lands, and got to meetsome phenomenal people and
phenomenal history and it fedinto both my music and art and
it seems like I look at art andmusic very much differently now.
(05:15):
I don't look at it as aneconomic driver because I was
very, very fortunate and I guessto all the artists and
musicians that are out there isrecognize the gift you have is
from God and he wants you to useit, but he's the provider, and
don't you know?
So I looked at my life and Ithink, yeah, I've paid my bills
(05:38):
abundantly and they gave mefreedom to write whatever I
wanted to write.
I could write a song.
It doesn't matter if it's aradio playable song.
You got a few.
I'm on Spotify and stuff likethat, but it doesn't matter.
You know, like I love thecreativity that comes out of not
having the pressure to you know, you're only as good as your
(06:00):
last gig.
I don't you know there's thatmusical saying last gig.
I don't you know there's thatmusical set and so yeah, so
that's a little bit it, matt,like it really.
Uh, I, I find how, how lifeweaves in the creativity and uh,
it's quite exciting to me.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I think that's so good because you know, as we're
just getting to know each other,a big part of of my life having
I was in ministry for a longtime.
I was a working musician inministry and then I had a
graphic design web designbusiness for a long time.
Since 2009, I've been mentoringartists and a big part of that
is coaching artists on how toturn their hobby into a business
(06:36):
.
But one of the things thatbecause that was kind of my
story so that's kind of how.
God used that to help others.
But what has been interestingto me, I think that I'm, having
done this for so long and, kindof like you, retrospectively
looking back one of the thingsthat I think robs artists of the
joy of creativity is trying tomonetize things too soon and
(07:00):
just always in this.
You know our day and time welive in.
I was just trying to make moneyfrom everything.
There's just so much to be said.
And I look back at my own lifefor, like I did my, I've been a
basket weaver, sculptor, allthis for for many years, did
that as a hobby, for 13 years,before I ever really thought
about selling it full time and Ijust thought, man, those are,
(07:22):
those are such formative yearswhere God was teaching me, not
only artistically but also in mycharacter and just all the
stuff that he does to to lead usalong the way.
And, um, I just love it thatyou've been able to embrace that
, this idea that I'm making myliving this way, but I'm able to
.
That gives me the freedom topursue my art, because we're not
(07:42):
defined as artists, as you said, by your last gig or by how
much are we selling our work for, or even that we're selling our
work, but we're defined by whoGod says we are Right, and
that's just huge.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, yeah, no, I would agree with that, matt.
So when I, when I look again,looking back, it sometimes is
really interesting.
Like, like, as that happens,those interesting twists to it
is I find that looking ahead.
I said this to a friend theother day who also is a musician
, is a phenomenal guitar player.
(08:17):
I played with him for years andI said I find it interesting.
I think faith you know that Ithink most people know Hebrews
11, one where it says faith is asubstance of things hoped for,
the evidence of things not seen.
And so what we don't see is thefuture.
And you'd think I remember whenI was 30, 25 years old, I
(08:40):
thought, yeah, when I'm olderI'm going to have so much faith
and what I come to realize isthat it's faith in anything.
But when I look back, I've gota lot of faith.
Yeah, god did that, he did that.
I could write a book, I mean anencyclopedia, on what he's done
in my life.
And then I look at the present,or I look at the future and I
(09:03):
think, yeah, he can do it again.
But then I look in the present,the present moment, and I think
, oh, my goodness, like you'vegot these things that I think no
(09:32):
faith is.
The is hanging on to the nowwith remembering.
I'm not a big artist like interms of big, in terms of, you
know, like world renowned butwhat I've come to realize is
that every individual isimportant, and so that little
granny that comes to my show,they were created by God and
they need a lot of times.
(09:54):
People just need to havepurpose and they need to know
that somebody cares for them,and I find that at the you know
again our shows we've donecowboy dinner shows and you know
a lot of it's for tours, we doit for any event and it's always
overwhelming to me the responsethat I get.
And quite of it's for tours, wedo it for any event, and it's
always overwhelming to me theresponse that I get, and quite
often it's people that are over50.
(10:16):
And I think our society and ourculture tends to write people
off, and not that there'sanything wrong with the youth,
but by the time you hit 50, man,you've got a scope of
experience that is overwhelmingand God gave that to you and he
wants to use that and I thinkthat I'm just looking forward.
(10:38):
I am 67 now and I'm just lookingforward.
I'm just starting to reallyunderstand.
God's getting bigger.
I'm getting tinier, but as hegets bigger, the possibilities
are just endless, you know andso.
So when I bring you into thecontext of art is that I've
(10:58):
learned, like all, sometimes sitdown with a with a, like I take
.
I take a little book like I got.
I got one of my little binders,I don't know it's buy them at
local art stores.
What size is this?
You know it's eight by four orsomething like that.
But every morning I just takemy and I do pen and ink.
(11:19):
I started with pencil and whenyou're working in ink it's very
unforgiving because you don'tuse an eraser with ink.
And I find it very interestingis that this is where the Holy
Spirit kind of works in you.
Is that I'll just I actuallyliterally will just start
scribbling, you know, and youknow a picture will come out of
(11:41):
a cowboy on a horse right.
And it'll take.
It'll take, literally, it'lltake that this picture, this is
a bunch of ink tins so I usethis to put the shading on the
picture.
But I guess my point is thatit's almost like I really
understand the artist.
(12:01):
Like, Charlie Russell was aphenomenal cowboy artist back in
the 1800s into the 1900s.
He made a comment one time thatreally resonated with me.
He said don't give the artisttoo much credit.
He can't help it if he's good,and I thought that was
interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I love that.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So you know, again, just looking at sort of life is
don't ever limit yourself anddon't practice your mistakes.
It's like guitar playing.
I'm playing with some reallyfabulous musicians.
In fact, one of the guys tunesmy guitar on stage when I'm
playing.
He'll actually reach over andhe'll tune my guitar when I'm
(12:45):
playing it.
You know he's so and I think Ijust smile, I say thanks a lot,
kevin.
But the reality is when you playwith or you're around people,
it doesn't mean you excludeothers, but in order to develop
your craft or your talent,another man, you're gifted.
(13:07):
He says I'm not really gifted.
He says, but I've just honed mytalent and I think really he's
a wonderful Christian man, likehe's one of my guys that I just
love as a friend and you know wecan have great musical
discussions and spiritualdiscussions.
But he says you know, I thinkthat it really resonated with me
(13:30):
because he says, rob, you know,if you want to get good, you
got to practice your craft,you've got to you be around
people that know.
Don't be afraid of saying youknow I need to improve and you
know like I daily, uh, am inthat place and so, and then, and
then the sort of the flip sideto that is, I started realizing
we always feel like we're 30.
Somehow, you just you know inyour own mind.
(13:52):
You know I haven't aged in mymind and when I look in the
mirror I don't even recognizemyself anymore.
Who is this guy?
Who is this guy with that whitehaircut, with three daughters,
exactly.
But you know, like, I thinkit's really important that we
also share, because youngerartists I remember when I was I
(14:15):
was about 30 years old and therewas a real phenomenal artist,
western artist, in a localcommunity and I'd go past his
place, I was working, and Ithought, oh, I'd just like to go
drop in and see John, you know,like just to get some tidbits.
And I got enough courage one dayand I pulled into his yard and
I knocked on his door and I saidyou know, john, his name is
(14:37):
John Ralph Schoenberger, aphenomenal Western artist.
And I said I'm Rob.
I said would you mind if I justsaid hi?
He said, oh, no, come on in.
And I spent the afternoon withhim.
He was so gracious and when Ithink about him, there were some
things that he said to me thatday that really resonated, you
(14:57):
know, like, as I thought aboutit, like he said.
You know, for example, he saidthe darkest dark should be
against the lightest lights, andI never really I thought what
are you talking about, john?
And then, when you're a painteror doing even black and white,
that's what happens in life,like the darkest arts are always
(15:17):
against the lightest lights.
If it's really extreme light,there's extreme darkness, and I
guess that's in life itself,like God created that.
Sure Is that I'm not afraid ofdarkness anymore, because the
darkness is overcome by thelight, and so it's really not
only in creativity, and I thinkthat's the thing that I'm
(15:38):
starting to see more of too isthe spirituality of creation, of
the essence of God in allthings, of the essence of God in
all things.
And yet, very personally, gaveus Jesus to be personal with us.
Because, apart from that, Ireally have difficulty sort of
(16:00):
fathoming this Father God,because his magnitude is so
immense.
So it's nice to have him as adad, and I'll talk to him and
I'll say Father, how do I dothis Exactly?
And I'm still, I'm consultingnow and I love it, I love
(16:25):
agriculture and I love theopportunities, and so I'll just
say you'll help me today to dowhat I have to do.
And, more importantly, I thinkand this is something I missed
for years because when we'reyoung, it's sort of natural for
humans to want to be known, likewe all want to be known.
I came from a family of fiveboys, right in the middle.
(16:47):
Know you'll, you, you want tobe known as something or
somebody, sure, and?
And so you know, that's sort ofthe natural inclination that
people have.
I want to be known, I'm anartist, I'm a musician and
sometimes we've we uh, in that,uh, I don't know, striving is
the right word, but in thatendeavor, uh, we miss out on the
(17:10):
fact that God's on the journeywith us and we don't have to be
worried about what the nextthing is or that I'm going to be
okay.
And I think that's somethingthat I'm starting to realize now
as I get older is that I wasmade this for eternity?
I've been really thinking aboutthat lately.
Is that the?
I was made this for eternity?
(17:30):
I've been really thinking aboutthat lately.
Is that the eternal?
It's not just here and now.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's that, you know.
So we've been given somethinglike.
It's not this ethereal realmthat we're going to, but it's a
very purposeful.
God is purposeful in how hecreated a tree, how he created a
horse, how he created man'sthoughts, and so the purpose of
the artist.
You know, I think of the.
(17:57):
I often love reading, you readback in Leviticus and you look,
the artists were chosen to.
One artist developed thebeautiful structures within the
temple of God.
This is for God, and you knowso.
The artist was a very selected.
(18:19):
He wasn't.
He wasn't An afterthought, anaccident.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
No, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
And so when I really think about it, so I think I
think now I'm thinking how do Idedicate and I guess where I'm
going?
Matt, I went off on a cow trail.
I always do that.
But but went down this cowtrail.
If you've ever followed a cowtrail, they'll always come back
to the main one.
But they'll often wander away inthe bush.
(18:47):
So that's sometimes my train ofthought is like that.
But coming back to the mean cowtrail, is that I think God is
quite interested in people andvery interested in people,
because he would never have sentJesus, he would never have come
in flesh, right, if you think,why did he do that?
(19:08):
He didn't have to do that, andso he did because he wanted, he
wanted people.
He wants every person.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
he wants every person to know him yeah, you know as
I've been looking at your yourwebsite today and looking at
watching some of your videos andlooking at some of your artwork
and all that, and in talking toyou um, I love talking to guys.
I'm 51, so you're a littlefurther ahead on the journey
than I am.
I love to talk to guys that arein your stage of life because
(19:40):
there's just such a settlednessin you and one of the things
that really caught me, I think,when I was looking at watching
some of your music videos andlooking at your art and all that
, there's this real sort ofrelaxed sort of way that you
present yourself, the way youcreate even the songs you sing
(20:01):
Tons of humor but a lot of fun.
You can tell you guys arehaving a blast when you're
playing, having a blast whenyou're playing, and it seems to
me that you have really embracedthis whole idea of a life
well-lived in the kingdom of God, that I'm his son.
Like you said, he's my dad.
Whatever I'm doing, he loves me, he's there with me, he's
(20:24):
called me according to hispurposes.
I don't have need of anythingbecause he's already gone before
me.
That just kind of oozes out ofyou and I think so many of the
artists that I work with andeven people we interview here on
, you know, on the podcast,sometimes there could be a real
pressure to like live worthy ofa calling.
You know, and I kind of havethis, and not that we're not but
(20:45):
like this heaviness on us, likeI've got to do everything to
please God, and it seems likeand I just I know from my own
life as I'm endeavoring to walkwith the Lord there's this
beautiful freedom that comeswhen you know that you're his
son, that he's your dad, that healready has everything provided
for you and he's already seenthe beginning from the end, that
(21:07):
there's no need to worry.
And I just I would love for youto just kind of dig into that a
little bit, because I notreally knowing you, knowing you,
that really comes out ineverything, the way that you
present yourself, and I'm I'msure that that's been a deep
well that the Lord's dug in yourlife over the years for us,
(23:08):
like I was reflecting.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
So you started as an artist, became a musician.
I mean, this is just thingsthat I love.
I was a bullfighter.
I rode in rodeo.
I went from rodeo into, youknow, agricultural realm.
I worked at the University ofManitoba in the plant science
(23:30):
department.
I knew research wasn't for me.
Came out of that.
God's hand is just alwaysmoving, always moving, always
moving.
And so when I think enteringinto the kingdom now, I just
think, wow, like who wouldn'twant to be here?
Like it's just.
I find it just.
I don't know even how todescribe it.
(23:52):
It's just like it's like mylast name is Adinwadi.
I'm Adinwadi.
Like we all have a last name.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
We all come from somewhere and it's like my last
name is or middle name orwhatever.
I'm associated with the King ofKings.
I am royalty and everything thathe has for me.
And he knows my culture, heknows my misgivings, he knows my
(24:23):
sins, he knows, you know, thatwe're not perfect, and that's
why I think one thing, a versethat comes to mind Paul wrote he
said, he says all things may beI forget the exact term but he
said all things might beacceptable, but they're not all
beneficial.
So if you're under the grace ofthe King of Kings, it is
(24:47):
complete.
There's nothing left.
So I'm just completely soakingin the righteousness of Jesus
Christ.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I am.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
There's nothing I can do, nothing I can do to
separate me from the love of God.
And so, within that, so, ratherthan just say, you know, sit in
the sunshine, then I take mylife, sit in the sunshine, then
I take my life and I say, okay,father, who do you want me to
(25:18):
see?
I'll tell you a little story.
Tom is, I've got a little pieceof property and it's a hillside
and I just have pasture forhorses and it was covered in
rocks, like when I say coverednot completely, but there's
rocks everywhere.
I thought every rock iscovering a piece of grass for my
horse, so I'm going to pick itup.
I started piling these rocks.
I thought I hate piling rocks.
(25:41):
Honestly, I hate piling rocksEvery morning.
I thought I'm going to makethis purposeful.
25 years ago that's when webought this property I started
piling these rocks up.
Every morning I'd take a rockand I thought I'm going to make
a prayer pile.
And I just recently got a bookcalled the Altar of Uncut Stones
.
I'm really interested inreading that book.
(26:01):
But I pick up a rock everymorning and I pray for somebody
or about something.
Literally, the rock pile is nowover six feet high and about
eight feet in diameter, but it'sjust rocks.
And every morning I go up therewith my dogs and I pray every
(26:22):
morning like 365.
And I'm not saying that to brag, but I'm saying that if just
what I've seen is the power ofAlmighty God, he doesn't just
answer the way, sometimes heanswers exactly as we pray.
But it's more about thatrelationship.
Say, father, you know, I'mconcerned about Joe.
I'm concerned.
How do you want me to prayabout him?
(26:43):
What do you want me to do?
How do I approach this?
And sort of, within theartistic world, you know, people
are very fascinated with musicand art.
They want to touch the artist.
Sometimes they'll buy a pieceof art.
They don't really want thepiece of art, they just want
what you have.
That's what they want.
And when they look at what youdid, they remember you and who
(27:09):
you were.
And so I think what anopportunity for me to really
share the gospel.
And the gospel doesn't have tobe with words, it's just being
kind to somebody, saying youknow what?
Like young people, you're agood like.
I just love encouraging people.
You're a phenomenal musicwriter, you're a songwriter,
(27:30):
you're doing so good.
Carry on, carry on, carry on.
So we're human beings.
We're so reluctant to give outpraise and encouragement to
people because I think most ofus have never received it.
And so we don't know how to doit, and so I think when I'm
(27:51):
thinking of music or anything,it's just saying man, those
glasses look good on you, Matt.
It's like that verse inProverbs that says you know, he
who refreshes others, will berefreshed, himself be refreshed,
and I just we never go wrongwith giving to each other and
that's such a huge thing.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You know, rob, as we're kind of wrapping up our
time together, I would love foryou to just encourage those
artists out there that maybetheir life is.
You know, art has always been areally important part of their
life, but the enemy has beenbeating them up because they're
not making a full-time livingfrom their art, they're not a
full-time musician, they've beendoing something else and maybe
living from their art, orthey're not a full-time musician
, they've been doing somethingelse and maybe the enemy's
(28:33):
beating them up saying, well,you don't really count, you're
not a real artist, you're, youknow all the stuff.
What would you say to them?
And uh, as we close our timetogether today, yeah, well,
thanks, man.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I mean, this has been a lot of fun, right absolutely
wonder what it was going to belike.
But I I would say to anymusician or artist out there it
doesn't matter where you stackup in terms of, you know, we're
our own worst judges, we look atwhat we do.
We say I'm not as good asRobert Bateman, I'm not as good
(29:05):
as Michelangelo, I'm not as goodas Bono or whoever your
favorite musician orsinger-songwriter is.
And I would just say to youthat, because so again, I'll say
something that was given to me.
I was 25 years old, I was goingthrough university, I was asked
to play on this televisionbroadcast.
(29:28):
It was a cable thing inWinnipeg at Christmas time and
it was a Jewish Christian manand I went there and I could
hardly you know, like I thoughtwhat am I doing here?
You know, you just ask yourselfdoubt, what the heck, why would
you have me?
And uh, and I was watching afriend of mine play the piano
and I just made a comment to himand I said, you know, I said I
(29:51):
sure admire gifted people, andhe looked at me and he said son,
he says God told me one time.
And he says listen up.
He says the gift is not theability, the gift is the desire.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
That's good, the gift is not the ability.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
The gift is the desire, and if you have desire,
if God's planted desire in yourheart to be an artist, musician,
singer, songwriter, whatever itis, he put it there and if you
desire it, then he's with youand he's with you anyways, but
(30:33):
don't ever doubt and just keepmoving forward.
So I really appreciate being on, matt and I hope somebody gets
encouraged by this and down theline they'll tell somebody else
that Pass it on.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I just I say this all the timeGod's not looking for our
perfection, he's looking for ouryes, and I love that that
you're just saying it's Godimplants the desire, and when we
say yes to that, it's like heopens up the floodgates of
blessings and provision andleadership of the Holy spirit in
our life, and and that's just,that's just so good.
(31:04):
Rob, I know people are going towant to go to your website,
social media, all the stuff andconnect more with you, so
where's the best place?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
for them to be able to do that.
So I, I I'm a, I'm a facebookuser, so I got a lot of friends.
That I don't I we call themfriends, but but I, I truly, uh,
I post a lot of my work, like I.
I do my morning sketches every,just about every morning, and I
post somebody.
I post one this morningsketches, just about every
morning, and I post somebody.
I posted one this morning.
So just go to Facebook.
(31:35):
I've got a business page calledCowboy Rob and Rob Dinwiddie.
I've got sort of the personalpage, and then I've got a
website, robdinwiddiecom, andI've got my music and my art
there.
I have trouble.
I don't manage my website verywell, so I get behind and six
months later I start puttingstuff on.
(31:57):
But if people want to reach outto me and don't hesitate.
If you've got questions, myemail address there in the
contacts on my webpage.
If you want to reach out and ifyou felt encouraged by today,
or if you need a littleencouragement, or don't hesitate
to reach out and just keep atit.
(32:18):
That's the big thing is, justkeep at it.
You're one of a kind.
You're the only one.
God broke the mold when he madeyou and he's expecting you to
use everything he gave you.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, so good, rob.
Thank you so much, man, forbeing on the podcast.
It's been a pleasure.
Hey, my friend, before you go,make sure that you're signed up
for the Thriving ChristianArtist Weekly.
It's my free newsletter, fullof spiritual encouragement,
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(32:50):
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(33:12):
All right, love you, bye.
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