November 14, 2025 • 30 mins
In this episode, I talk with Pamela Loewen, a gifted textile artist and gallery owner whose work blends modern design with timeless craftsmanship.
From contemporary art quilting that breaks free from “grandma’s quilt” stereotypes to running a vibrant gallery space, Pamela has embraced creativity as both a personal calling and a ministry.
Her journey weaves together deep faith, innovative artistry, and a commitment to fostering beauty in her community. We explore how she discovered her unique creative voice, the courage it takes to step beyond tradition, and the incredible ways God is using her art and gallery to inspire others.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
- How Pamela moved from traditional quilting into bold, contemporary design
- The spiritual and creative lessons learned from opening a gallery
- Why integrating faith with art leads to deeper impact
- The challenges and rewards of pursuing a unique artistic path
- How to cultivate a life that nurtures both creativity and ministry
🌟 Favorite Quotes from This Episode:
“When you’re in your creative space and you’re relaxed, the walls come down, and you connect with God in a way that is completely authentic.” — Pamela Loewen
“If God can use the jawbone of a donkey, He can use your art.” — Matt Tommey
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https://loewengallery.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All over the world, artists are awakening.
Painters and potters, writersand weavers, poets and dancers
not chasing followers or fame,but sons and daughters called
for such a time as this,transformed from the inside out,
creating with purpose,releasing the glory of God and
living in the power of thekingdom.
Right now, this is the ThrivingChristian Artist.
(00:21):
Well, hey, friends, welcomeback to the podcast.
I'm Matt Tommy, your host.
Super glad that you are here.
I'm really excited to have afriend of mine, pamela Lowen,
who is here Long time coming.
She's been on this incrediblewalk of faith not only as an
artist but now as a galleryowner, and just really knew that
(00:43):
she needed to be on the podcasttoday to share all the
incredible stuff that God's beenwalking her through over these
last few years.
So, pamela, welcome.
Really really glad that you'rehere.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh, thank you.
Thank you for inviting me.
I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Absolutely, Absolutely.
So for those who are justgetting to know you maybe just
give us a little thumbnailsketch of where you are in the
world, what you do creatively,and then we'll kind of jump into
some of your backstory.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Sure, I am an artist working in the medium of quilt
making.
I live in the Lansing Michiganarea and I've been quilt making
for over 30 years.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Wow, wow.
So you've almost got the hangof it right.
I mean it's almost.
Wow, wow.
So you've almost got the hangof it right.
I mean it's Almost.
You know I really love I'vealways loved your work.
I guess, being a fellow fiberartist, you know I love what you
do, the color stylistically,just the power of your designs
and all of that.
But you really seem to havereally embraced a much more
(01:42):
contemporary expression thanwhat people may think of just
grandma's quilts.
You're really taking this in awhole beautiful area of modern
design, modern quilt making.
So how did that come about?
Did you start traditionally andmove into contemporary quilting
, or were you always in more ofthe contemporary style?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
No, I actually grew up in Lancaster, pennsylvania,
surrounded by Amish farmland,wow.
And so I grew up knowingtraditional quilt making and my
first class was like a samplerclass where I made traditional
quilts.
And I did that for probably myfirst class was in 1987 until my
(02:24):
first class with Nancy Crow inNew Zealand in 2002.
I did traditional quilt making,although when people looked at
my work it always pushed theedge and the boundary of
traditional quilt making.
The color palette I wouldchoose, or I like to take a
block and do my own rendition ofthe block Sure If that makes
(02:46):
sense, and when I entered showsthey would put me in the
non-traditional categories.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I feel the same way in my basketry right, Because I
started out doing traditionalbasketry, like Appalachian egg
baskets and that sort of thing,but because I use kind of wonky
materials, vines and bark andall that kind of stuff, it was
always like is he traditional oris he contemporary?
We're not quite sure where hefits in that box.
I totally get that.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Exactly exactly.
And two like having being aquilt maker.
You always had an excuse or areason to make quilts right,
because I certainly didn't growup in a faith background that
thought pursuing artistry wasokay to do I was raised that you
(03:37):
know you got to be in ministry.
You know not in the arts.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So when someone had working for the church, ministry
or missionary or something likethat Exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Your highest calling would be a missionary's wife,
next would be a pastor's wifeand then, if you didn't do that,
support those who were that waskind of the background I was
raised in, but my mother's bestfriend was an artist and I loved
her and actually my mom led herto the Lord and then she took
(04:09):
me to a Barrymore crusade.
My mom's best friend, her nameis Beej Beej Isabel, and that's
when I got saved.
Wow, my mom's best friend whowas the artist.
That's how I got saved.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
She's always been a huge mentor to me and she's on
fire for the Lord.
She speaks and travels all overthe place.
She's involved in a ministrythat does a lot of evangelistic
outreach, but anyway.
So making a quilt was likesomeone has a baby, someone gets
married.
(04:43):
Oh, you can make them a quilt,so you have an excuse.
Yeah, sure can make them aquilt, so it's, you have an
excuse.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, sure.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
To be artistic.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Right.
So that worked well for me.
Plus, when I did look at artschool, there wasn't a medium I
was in love with.
I actually won an award as afreshman in high school a
national award for a watercolorpicture I had done.
As a freshman in high school anational award for a watercolor
picture I had done.
But my senior year with mylittle art portfolio, visiting
(05:11):
the Institute of Maryland Schoolof Arts, I was like saw
someone's senior thesis andevery canvas was brown, like
solid brown.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Ten canvases solid brown and I was like I just
can't relate to this.
But I also think the Lord knewI was.
The Lord was taking me on adifferent path.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I went to Bible school instead.
So it was interesting.
So you got these kind of twothings going right your art's
going over here, you're comingto the Lord, going to Bible
college and everything.
When did those things kind ofconverge for you?
Because I know, for me I didthat for a long time, right.
I mean, I was in ministry butthen I had my kind of art hobby
over here and I knew kind ofsubconsciously that when I did
that, when I was in the woods,when I was making, I kind of
(06:01):
felt more me and more relaxedand more kind of settled in
myself than any other time.
And now that I look back on itprobably connected with the Lord
more than any other time.
All the walls weren't up right,I was just really able to be
free creatively and that sort ofthing.
But it was kind of after I wentthrough my healing journey
(06:21):
early on that I startedreconnecting with my art and
then I started saying, oh yeah,like God wants to bring these
things together like a whole andhealed Matt doing the thing
that God created him to do, andthat started making sense in my
mind.
So how did that look for foryou?
Cause you've got all this likethe highest calling is to be a
missionary or be in Bible schoolor all this kind of stuff.
(06:42):
And yet you've got this, thispassion for making and even
serving people through your work.
And when did those kind ofbegin to come together?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
That's a good question.
Um, probably more recently,when, when?
Uh well, the other desire I hadwell, I got married, I had
children, raised a family In2002 is when I took my first
class with Nancy Crow andrealized that there were serious
(07:13):
artists pursuing quilt makingas an art form.
So I started doing that and myhusband was absolutely you're an
artist, go for it.
He called me an artist,probably 10 years before I could
call myself an artist withoutblushing.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
How great, though right, I mean, that's huge yeah
yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
And I think, reading your book Creative to Thrive,
there was this one page.
I wrote almost the whole pagein my journal how you felt
called to raise up and mentorthe next generation of artists
and I was like that's exactlywhat the Lord has been speaking
to me about for the last year ortwo.
(07:56):
I have a real heart to speak tothat next generation Like, yes,
if God has put this desire inyour heart, it's actually from
Him, whereas I struggled withthat because nobody told me that
God could call you to be anartist.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You know that newsflash.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
yes, and I actually I'm involved with a prayer group
every Monday, on Outs Tuesdays,in East Lansing where we pray
for the arts.
We worship for about half thetime and we pray for the half
the time for God to raise upartists and glorify the arts and
use the arts to glorify hisname in the city of.
(08:38):
Lansing and so this past Marchmy show was all hung up in my
gallery and I'm like, hey, wouldyou guys, could we pray in my
gallery space and worship anddedicate it to the Lord?
And with me as I'm preparing toopen the gallery.
So we did that and that wassuper cool and one of the things
(08:59):
as we were praying andworshiping and stuff, the Lord's
Spirit just highlighted to meif I can use the jawbone of an
ass.
I can use a quilt.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I think I just said that exact thing on a podcast
the other day.
I was like if God can use ajawbone of a donkey, he can use
your heart.
Exactly, it's the.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Spirit of God.
So I'm like, because that'salways been my struggle- Like
how can you use this?
Okay, I'm going to stop doingthis.
I'm going to pursue ministry.
You know, there was a lot oftimes where I'm like I'm going
to lay my God, I'll lay my artaside for you and I'll do
whatever.
But I kept getting drawn backin and it just was a newsflash
that God actually can use artfor His glory.
(09:41):
The big thing is to let go ofme trying to figure out how.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That I mean I don't know how and that's not my job
is to figure out how my job isto do what he created me to do
and then trust him that hispurposes will be fulfilled.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And what?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
exactly that looks like.
I don't know.
But, I do love when people comeand see my gallery space and
see my work.
Number one comment is these arenot my grandma's quilts.
And I'm like, no, I saidthere's a whole spectrum of
quilt making.
And then number two is this isnot what I was expecting, but
(10:23):
you know, in a good way.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, yeah, and I'm like I'll take the compliment.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Thank you so.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
No, yeah, I'm the same.
I tell people, like with mybaskets, I feel like this is not
.
I've never seen baskets likethis.
I'm like, well, basketry is aset of techniques and you can
point them in any kind of style.
You want to point them in right, traditional or contemporary,
or you can mix them with otherthings, like I do, or or
whatever.
So it it.
I think that's fun, though,creatively, to kind of help open
people's eyes that wow, there,there's so many more, you know,
(10:51):
wild ideas and a wonderful widearray of expression that people
can have using still very basictechniques.
But, you know, when we bringthose together with a
contemporary flair, that's just,that's just a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So well, and also as an artist.
When people see your work, youdon't want them to have seen
anything like that before.
That's right that means youfound your voice.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Right and that that's a plus.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
That's right.
Well, you know, you mentioned acouple of times your gallery and
I wanted to really kind of letpeople hear this story because
we met several years ago whenyou were in our mastery program
and we got to walk with youthrough kind of the birthing of
that vision and beginning to seethat come to pass.
And I tell you, pamela, you Idon't, I don't know that I know
(11:38):
anybody that's walked throughwhat you've walked through with,
um, with having a vision andwalking in faith toward it and
just seeing roadblock afterroadblock after roadblock, after
delay after delay, and, man,you never lost your cool, you,
just you, just walking throughit, cool as a cucumber.
And I know there were momentsthat you were like what is going
(12:00):
on, but you're, you're, youknow, in the vision right now,
and're you know in the visionright now and, uh, you know
doing the thing that God'scalled you to do and have this
beautiful space.
But talk about how God began tolay that vision on your heart
to have a gallery, uh, in yourtown.
And then just a little bit ofthe learning process that you
went through, because it is justan amazing testimony to the
(12:21):
goodness of God.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, I was actually at Nancy Crowe's timber frame
barn in Ohio taking a class, notwith her but with someone else
and she after lunch she wastalking to a group of students
on the other side of the room.
I wasn't even part of theconversation and then I heard
(14:15):
her say what we need is agallery devoted to promoting
quilt making as art.
And then she pointed at meacross the room and said and
you're the one who should buildit.
And I just laughed.
I'm like, yeah, no desire.
Ha ha ha.
Right right, never gonna happen.
I think that was either 2016 or2017.
(14:36):
And then in my studio space athome, I was outgrowing it and I
was trying to figure out how Icould make my studio space
bigger and we had already donetwo additions to the house and
my husband said I couldn't addto the house again and I also
(14:57):
was really wanting a space whereI could maybe begin mentoring
and teaching.
And so I talked to a friend.
We had an empty lot next door.
Like what if I built somethingthere?
But it was zoned residential,not commercial.
And so he's like hey, can Icome visit you?
And he showed me five differentproperties for sale in my
(15:19):
little town.
And we went and we like, when Isaw this, this is the former
dance studio.
The building's about 100 yearsold, the ceilings are 14 to 15
feet high and have like the oldtin on the first floor yeah and
when I saw it it's two storiesand a back building.
I'm like this would be agorgeous gallery.
(15:40):
The second story could be mynext studio, and the back
building is a place where Icould hold small classes yeah
and, uh, I bought it 2019 in2019.
(16:01):
Wow so, but it also had not hadlike the original electrical
wiring was still in the building, like it was still covered in
cloth.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Oh gosh, yeah.
So uh, rehab sounds like yeah,well, well.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
And what our County did was, if you change the use
of a building, they threw theentire set of seven code books
at you and even though theprevious person was teaching an
art form, teaching dance, I'mlike, well, I'm teaching an art
form, they're like, yeah, no,you got to bring it up to code.
So it was a major.
And then, of course, covidhappened and Michigan was a
(16:32):
major lockdown state becausesome states had stricter rules
than others.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, we were like that in Asheville, so I totally
get that, Yep yep.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
And then of course we had the shortages of building
supplies and whatever.
And then there were issues withthe person who was doing the
renovations that he kind of hita wall and he couldn't get any
further.
Doing the renovations, that hekind of hit a wall and he
couldn't get any further, I wasrequired to put an elevator in
which.
That was really a source of alot of the delays, right, but
(17:08):
God's hand was in it.
I wanted to open in 22, andthat didn't happen.
But my dad passed away, so thatwas perfect because I was going
to open.
It was going to be two daysafter my dad passed away, so God
knew that was not the time forme to open, and then the next
(17:28):
year my mother-in-law.
Well, no, the next month my dadpassed away in September.
The next month my mother-in-lawwas diagnosed with cancer, and
so she had no daughters, just mytwo boys, and so my husband and
I were very involved in hercare, and she passed away the
following November.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So again the Lord knew.
Like, yes, I was delayed, yes, Iwas going crazy, but these
other things were going on in mylife that I was grateful yeah
that the gallery wasn't open yetand I was able to give full
attention to these things and mydad and my mother-in-law, both
believers, you know, I know I'llsee him again, um I just love
(18:09):
it, though, because youmentioned earlier, before we got
on, that you know you had evensaid wouldn't it be cool if I
could be in the, the studio ofthis new building, you know, a
couple of years before weactually opened, just to kind of
get my bearings.
And that actually happened,maybe not the way you thought it
was going to happen, but theLord actually gave you that gift
.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So yeah, yeah and his .
You know his timing's alwaysperfect.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
How did you, in the middle of that I mean, I
remember when you were inmastery, you know we'd talk
about it and then we'd getemails from you and calls and be
like, oh my God, all this stuffand I just remember, you know,
no matter how bad it was, you'relike, well, I know God's got a
plan, I know God's got a plan,and um, so what did you do?
I guess internally, because Iknow that when we've got a
(18:54):
vision from the Lord and it's apowerful, big vision that's
going to release thistransformation and going to
change people's lives, the enemypulls out all the stops right,
and so he's trying to get us tocome out of agreement with the
vision that God's given us andinto agreement with the lies and
the mirage of fear that he'strying to put up there, the lies
and the mirage of fear thatthat he's trying to put up there
(19:16):
.
What were you doing on a dailybasis, moment by moment basis,
just to to keep yourselfencouraged and be like, nope,
I'm not giving up, like I'mgoing to keep going, no matter
what.
And um, I mean that's just that, like people, you can maybe can
do that for a week or two, butyou're talking like two and a
half three years that you had towalk through this.
This was no joke.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, that's true.
I think part of it, like whenmy dad was still alive.
My dad was very entrepreneurial, started a lot of businesses
and I would have conversationswith him, like who am I to do
this?
And he's like you know.
Wouldn't you rather try andfail than never try at all?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
And I remember one time I was kind of talking to
the Lord like Lord, I'm a nobody, and the scripture came to mind
, I think it's in Isaiah Idelight in using nobodies and
I'm like, cool, that's me, I'mqualified, I'm qualified.
Well, that's me, I'm qualified,I'm qualified.
(20:16):
So you know, I think a lot ofit was just my entrepreneurial
background, a lot of support.
I have two brothers and asister.
We're all.
We have a family office withthese businesses.
We work together, we encourageone another.
So I had a big support systemthere and, of course, my husband
.
There was never any talk ofquitting or giving up.
(20:37):
It's just a matter of it'sgoing to happen, when it's going
to happen, and we can trust theLord.
So, I had a whole group ofpeople who were encouraging and
with me in the yo-yosencouraging and with me in the
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yo-yos, and the Lord is faithful.
And I would say the biggestthing I think that helps me is I
start every day with the Lordand I have a journal and it's
funny I look back on oldjournals and I write out prayers
.
Sometimes because, if I don't,my mind wanders and I see like
old prayers I had prayed and I'mlike, wow, god, you answered
(21:24):
that and I didn't even realizeit.
Because you forget, right, youforget.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Go back and put a checkmark by it.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Right done yeah yeah, and and also like when I was in
the mastery program, it wasnice there were other.
There were other gallery ownersthere who also had their
stories of what they wentthrough.
Um, so, and I knew too from mydad, like being in business is
not for the faint of heart rightright you know and you have to.
(21:52):
You have to plan for it to be along game.
That's the biggest thing aboutnew businesses.
They need to be resourced formaybe the first three years.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, sure.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Plan on.
It can take that long toestablish yourself and have a
cash flow where you're breakingeven or making money.
It can take up to three years.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, absolutely, so you have to be prepared for that
.
Yeah, and that's no matter whatindustry you're in, especially
in the arts right.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Exactly, Absolutely Exactly.
And you know my little town.
I had a local businessman comein, a barber and he looked
around and he was like yeah,yeah, this is no one in this
town is going to buy this.
like, um, well, I'm hoping to bea destination gallery that's
(22:40):
right, people will come, youknow, I want to be, you know, uh
, but then I've had other peoplecome in and be like, wow, this
is beautiful, this is amazing.
Thank you for for believing inthe town and opening this yeah,
so you get the spectrum, sureyou?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
have to be gracious to everybody yeah, well, there's
always going to be people thatdon't get what you do or what
you carry in this life.
I mean, we we used to havepeople like that all the time.
Coming to the river artsdistrict in asheville and I had
a lady one time.
She's like this is so great.
Now what do you do for a living?
and and I said, well it'd bethis every day I come in and I
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make art and I sell it, you know, but people, just, you know, we
, we think, how stupid canpeople be?
But they're not.
They just don't have a contextright For art, buying art and
art is, you know, important inculture and all that and in
people's lives.
So we get the beautifulopportunity to get to bridge
that gap with people.
But, pamela, I want to ask you,as we're kind of wrapping up
(23:38):
today, you know there are somany people that are listening
out there that maybe they have adream right that God's put on
their heart.
Maybe they've been waiting,waiting, waiting for something
to pop, you know, and justdoesn't feel like it's coming.
What would you say to them?
In order to number one, I guess, keep connected to the vision
that God's given them.
(23:59):
But also, at some point we haveto take a step of faith, right,
we have to step out, even whenwe, when we don't see it right,
coming fully into fruition, intointo reality yet.
So what would you just say toencourage somebody like that
that's sitting there full ofvision but not seeing it come to
pass?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
yet Well, persistence pays.
You know I actually we have asuper bowl for our art form.
It's called quilt national andthe first time I entered it was,
I think, in the year 2000.
I did not get in.
I finally got in in the year2017.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
And as we were driving to the opening, I said
to my husband there is one awardI do not want to get.
And I told him about this awardbecause it was awarded to the
person who had tried the mosttimes before they actually got
in.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Or years person who had tried the most times before
they actually got in right.
Um, or or years, so um, anyway,I did win that award.
I tied with someone.
We both got it.
I also got another award, um,but I was actually just visiting
the more most recent quiltnational show in athens, ohio,
and the man who was sitting inthe gallery space was the man
who handed me the award and Iintroduced myself to him.
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I'm like, hey, you gave me anaward.
He's like, hey, you're aPersistence Pays gal.
And then when I got back to mystudio space or in my gallery, I
was giving an artist talk tosome ladies and I said the
Persistence Pays Award was forthis quilt and the Holy Spirit
just was like Pam, the Lord ishonoring your persistence.
(25:42):
Yeah, come on you have beenpersistent and that quilt was
actually bought by theInternational Quilt Museum and
it's in their collection.
And even my whole show in mygallery was done over 14 years
and I had never seen all my workhung up at once.
And to see it and to realize Ihad this cohesive body of work
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that.
I kept consistently working atthrough difficult times in my
life, I was diagnosed withdepression.
Working at through difficulttimes in my life, I was
diagnosed with depression.
I had a daughter who hadsignificant health issues that
required a lot of doctor'sappointments, and there were a
lot of difficult things going onin my life, but I still was
able to create and I think thatcreative space and creating is
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what God made me to do and itwas also what rejuvenated me and
, like if I didn't get in mystudio space for a week or two,
my husband would say you'regrumpy, you need to go work.
He would recognize that thatwas my space where I refueled
and found joy.
(26:52):
Yeah, and you know, I alsothink of Moses, right?
He spent 40 years in the desert, right?
40 years in Pharaoh's palace,40 years in the desert, 40 years
leading God's people.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
There are lots of people in the Word who God like
David.
He was anointed how many yearstill he actually became a Jew.
So, in that between time, justkeep making, keep developing
your talent.
If you have the opportunity tostudy with people, in whatever
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your medium is, study with them.
Keep making, sketch, developyour voice and, most important,
develop your relationship withthe Lord, because if he's put
this desire in your heart tomake, he has a purpose for it
and he wants it to be uniquelyyours.
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That's so good.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
It's so good because it's in those in-between times,
right that the tension ofknowing and not seeing it yet.
Right, that God is working inour hearts and he's preparing
the foundations, he's fillingthe cracks, right, he's doing
all the things that we need tobe able to walk in the things
that he's actually promised usin our life and I just I love
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your story and family, just yourfaithfulness, I mean, and
persistence pays.
That may be the, the name ofthe, of the, the title of this
episode, because, man, that isjust, you're such a poster child
of that story and thank you forbeing on today.
I know folks are going to wantto connect with you.
Come to the destination, seethe gallery, but maybe follow
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you on Instagram or your websitefirst, so where's all the
places that they can find youand connect?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Well, I have a personal website, pamelalohancom
, and I have work there and Iblog once a month and then the
gallery is LohanGallerycom.
We're also on Facebook andInstagram.
I don't know those addresses byheart.
I apologize.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, but we can look them up and put them in the
show notes so people can findthat.
But, Pamela, what a joy to bewith you today.
I know people are superinspired and just again, just
another somebody, another,somebody saying keep going,
God's got a plan and uh, andyou're definitely do that.
So thank you for being on thepodcast today.
It's been a joy.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Well, thank you for having me.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
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Well, hey, friends, welcomeback to the podcast.
I'm Matt Tommy, your host.
Super glad that you are here.
I'm really excited to have afriend of mine, pamela Lowen,
who is here Long time coming.
She's been on this incrediblewalk of faith not only as an
artist but now as a galleryowner, and just really knew that
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she needed to be on the podcasttoday to share all the
incredible stuff that God's beenwalking her through over these
last few years.
So, pamela, welcome.
Really really glad that you'rehere.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh, thank you.
Thank you for inviting me.
I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Absolutely, Absolutely.
So for those who are justgetting to know you maybe just
give us a little thumbnailsketch of where you are in the
world, what you do creatively,and then we'll kind of jump into
some of your backstory.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Sure, I am an artist working in the medium of quilt
making.
I live in the Lansing Michiganarea and I've been quilt making
for over 30 years.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Wow, wow.
So you've almost got the hangof it right.
I mean it's almost.
Wow, wow.
So you've almost got the hangof it right.
I mean it's Almost.
You know I really love I'vealways loved your work.
I guess, being a fellow fiberartist, you know I love what you
do, the color stylistically,just the power of your designs
and all of that.
But you really seem to havereally embraced a much more
(01:42):
contemporary expression thanwhat people may think of just
grandma's quilts.
You're really taking this in awhole beautiful area of modern
design, modern quilt making.
So how did that come about?
Did you start traditionally andmove into contemporary quilting
, or were you always in more ofthe contemporary style?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
No, I actually grew up in Lancaster, pennsylvania,
surrounded by Amish farmland,wow.
And so I grew up knowingtraditional quilt making and my
first class was like a samplerclass where I made traditional
quilts.
And I did that for probably myfirst class was in 1987 until my
(02:24):
first class with Nancy Crow inNew Zealand in 2002.
I did traditional quilt making,although when people looked at
my work it always pushed theedge and the boundary of
traditional quilt making.
The color palette I wouldchoose, or I like to take a
block and do my own rendition ofthe block Sure If that makes
(02:46):
sense, and when I entered showsthey would put me in the
non-traditional categories.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I feel the same way in my basketry right, Because I
started out doing traditionalbasketry, like Appalachian egg
baskets and that sort of thing,but because I use kind of wonky
materials, vines and bark andall that kind of stuff, it was
always like is he traditional oris he contemporary?
We're not quite sure where hefits in that box.
I totally get that.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Exactly exactly.
And two like having being aquilt maker.
You always had an excuse or areason to make quilts right,
because I certainly didn't growup in a faith background that
thought pursuing artistry wasokay to do I was raised that you
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know you got to be in ministry.
You know not in the arts.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So when someone had working for the church, ministry
or missionary or something likethat Exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Your highest calling would be a missionary's wife,
next would be a pastor's wifeand then, if you didn't do that,
support those who were that waskind of the background I was
raised in, but my mother's bestfriend was an artist and I loved
her and actually my mom led herto the Lord and then she took
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me to a Barrymore crusade.
My mom's best friend, her nameis Beej Beej Isabel, and that's
when I got saved.
Wow, my mom's best friend whowas the artist.
That's how I got saved.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
She's always been a huge mentor to me and she's on
fire for the Lord.
She speaks and travels all overthe place.
She's involved in a ministrythat does a lot of evangelistic
outreach, but anyway.
So making a quilt was likesomeone has a baby, someone gets
married.
(04:43):
Oh, you can make them a quilt,so you have an excuse.
Yeah, sure can make them aquilt, so it's, you have an
excuse.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, sure.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
To be artistic.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Right.
So that worked well for me.
Plus, when I did look at artschool, there wasn't a medium I
was in love with.
I actually won an award as afreshman in high school a
national award for a watercolorpicture I had done.
As a freshman in high school anational award for a watercolor
picture I had done.
But my senior year with mylittle art portfolio, visiting
(05:11):
the Institute of Maryland Schoolof Arts, I was like saw
someone's senior thesis andevery canvas was brown, like
solid brown.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Ten canvases solid brown and I was like I just
can't relate to this.
But I also think the Lord knewI was.
The Lord was taking me on adifferent path.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I went to Bible school instead.
So it was interesting.
So you got these kind of twothings going right your art's
going over here, you're comingto the Lord, going to Bible
college and everything.
When did those things kind ofconverge for you?
Because I know, for me I didthat for a long time, right.
I mean, I was in ministry butthen I had my kind of art hobby
over here and I knew kind ofsubconsciously that when I did
that, when I was in the woods,when I was making, I kind of
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felt more me and more relaxedand more kind of settled in
myself than any other time.
And now that I look back on itprobably connected with the Lord
more than any other time.
All the walls weren't up right,I was just really able to be
free creatively and that sort ofthing.
But it was kind of after I wentthrough my healing journey
(06:21):
early on that I startedreconnecting with my art and
then I started saying, oh yeah,like God wants to bring these
things together like a whole andhealed Matt doing the thing
that God created him to do, andthat started making sense in my
mind.
So how did that look for foryou?
Cause you've got all this likethe highest calling is to be a
missionary or be in Bible schoolor all this kind of stuff.
(06:42):
And yet you've got this, thispassion for making and even
serving people through your work.
And when did those kind ofbegin to come together?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
That's a good question.
Um, probably more recently,when, when?
Uh well, the other desire I hadwell, I got married, I had
children, raised a family In2002 is when I took my first
class with Nancy Crow andrealized that there were serious
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artists pursuing quilt makingas an art form.
So I started doing that and myhusband was absolutely you're an
artist, go for it.
He called me an artist,probably 10 years before I could
call myself an artist withoutblushing.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
How great, though right, I mean, that's huge yeah
yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
And I think, reading your book Creative to Thrive,
there was this one page.
I wrote almost the whole pagein my journal how you felt
called to raise up and mentorthe next generation of artists
and I was like that's exactlywhat the Lord has been speaking
to me about for the last year ortwo.
(07:56):
I have a real heart to speak tothat next generation Like, yes,
if God has put this desire inyour heart, it's actually from
Him, whereas I struggled withthat because nobody told me that
God could call you to be anartist.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You know that newsflash.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
yes, and I actually I'm involved with a prayer group
every Monday, on Outs Tuesdays,in East Lansing where we pray
for the arts.
We worship for about half thetime and we pray for the half
the time for God to raise upartists and glorify the arts and
use the arts to glorify hisname in the city of.
(08:38):
Lansing and so this past Marchmy show was all hung up in my
gallery and I'm like, hey, wouldyou guys, could we pray in my
gallery space and worship anddedicate it to the Lord?
And with me as I'm preparing toopen the gallery.
So we did that and that wassuper cool and one of the things
(08:59):
as we were praying andworshiping and stuff, the Lord's
Spirit just highlighted to meif I can use the jawbone of an
ass.
I can use a quilt.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I think I just said that exact thing on a podcast
the other day.
I was like if God can use ajawbone of a donkey, he can use
your heart.
Exactly, it's the.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Spirit of God.
So I'm like, because that'salways been my struggle- Like
how can you use this?
Okay, I'm going to stop doingthis.
I'm going to pursue ministry.
You know, there was a lot oftimes where I'm like I'm going
to lay my God, I'll lay my artaside for you and I'll do
whatever.
But I kept getting drawn backin and it just was a newsflash
that God actually can use artfor His glory.
(09:41):
The big thing is to let go ofme trying to figure out how.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That I mean I don't know how and that's not my job
is to figure out how my job isto do what he created me to do
and then trust him that hispurposes will be fulfilled.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And what?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
exactly that looks like.
I don't know.
But, I do love when people comeand see my gallery space and
see my work.
Number one comment is these arenot my grandma's quilts.
And I'm like, no, I saidthere's a whole spectrum of
quilt making.
And then number two is this isnot what I was expecting, but
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you know, in a good way.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, yeah, and I'm like I'll take the compliment.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Thank you so.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
No, yeah, I'm the same.
I tell people, like with mybaskets, I feel like this is not
.
I've never seen baskets likethis.
I'm like, well, basketry is aset of techniques and you can
point them in any kind of style.
You want to point them in right, traditional or contemporary,
or you can mix them with otherthings, like I do, or or
whatever.
So it it.
I think that's fun, though,creatively, to kind of help open
people's eyes that wow, there,there's so many more, you know,
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wild ideas and a wonderful widearray of expression that people
can have using still very basictechniques.
But, you know, when we bringthose together with a
contemporary flair, that's just,that's just a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So well, and also as an artist.
When people see your work, youdon't want them to have seen
anything like that before.
That's right that means youfound your voice.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Right and that that's a plus.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
That's right.
Well, you know, you mentioned acouple of times your gallery and
I wanted to really kind of letpeople hear this story because
we met several years ago whenyou were in our mastery program
and we got to walk with youthrough kind of the birthing of
that vision and beginning to seethat come to pass.
And I tell you, pamela, you Idon't, I don't know that I know
(11:38):
anybody that's walked throughwhat you've walked through with,
um, with having a vision andwalking in faith toward it and
just seeing roadblock afterroadblock after roadblock, after
delay after delay, and, man,you never lost your cool, you,
just you, just walking throughit, cool as a cucumber.
And I know there were momentsthat you were like what is going
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on, but you're, you're, youknow, in the vision right now,
and're you know in the visionright now and, uh, you know
doing the thing that God'scalled you to do and have this
beautiful space.
But talk about how God began tolay that vision on your heart
to have a gallery, uh, in yourtown.
And then just a little bit ofthe learning process that you
went through, because it is justan amazing testimony to the
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goodness of God.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, I was actually at Nancy Crowe's timber frame
barn in Ohio taking a class, notwith her but with someone else
and she after lunch she wastalking to a group of students
on the other side of the room.
I wasn't even part of theconversation and then I heard
(14:15):
her say what we need is agallery devoted to promoting
quilt making as art.
And then she pointed at meacross the room and said and
you're the one who should buildit.
And I just laughed.
I'm like, yeah, no desire.
Ha ha ha.
Right right, never gonna happen.
I think that was either 2016 or2017.
(14:36):
And then in my studio space athome, I was outgrowing it and I
was trying to figure out how Icould make my studio space
bigger and we had already donetwo additions to the house and
my husband said I couldn't addto the house again and I also
(14:57):
was really wanting a space whereI could maybe begin mentoring
and teaching.
And so I talked to a friend.
We had an empty lot next door.
Like what if I built somethingthere?
But it was zoned residential,not commercial.
And so he's like hey, can Icome visit you?
And he showed me five differentproperties for sale in my
(15:19):
little town.
And we went and we like, when Isaw this, this is the former
dance studio.
The building's about 100 yearsold, the ceilings are 14 to 15
feet high and have like the oldtin on the first floor yeah and
when I saw it it's two storiesand a back building.
I'm like this would be agorgeous gallery.
(15:40):
The second story could be mynext studio, and the back
building is a place where Icould hold small classes yeah
and, uh, I bought it 2019 in2019.
(16:01):
Wow so, but it also had not hadlike the original electrical
wiring was still in the building, like it was still covered in
cloth.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Oh gosh, yeah.
So uh, rehab sounds like yeah,well, well.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
And what our County did was, if you change the use
of a building, they threw theentire set of seven code books
at you and even though theprevious person was teaching an
art form, teaching dance, I'mlike, well, I'm teaching an art
form, they're like, yeah, no,you got to bring it up to code.
So it was a major.
And then, of course, covidhappened and Michigan was a
(16:32):
major lockdown state becausesome states had stricter rules
than others.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, we were like that in Asheville, so I totally
get that, Yep yep.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
And then of course we had the shortages of building
supplies and whatever.
And then there were issues withthe person who was doing the
renovations that he kind of hita wall and he couldn't get any
further.
Doing the renovations, that hekind of hit a wall and he
couldn't get any further, I wasrequired to put an elevator in
which.
That was really a source of alot of the delays, right, but
(17:08):
God's hand was in it.
I wanted to open in 22, andthat didn't happen.
But my dad passed away, so thatwas perfect because I was going
to open.
It was going to be two daysafter my dad passed away, so God
knew that was not the time forme to open, and then the next
(17:28):
year my mother-in-law.
Well, no, the next month my dadpassed away in September.
The next month my mother-in-lawwas diagnosed with cancer, and
so she had no daughters, just mytwo boys, and so my husband and
I were very involved in hercare, and she passed away the
following November.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So again the Lord knew.
Like, yes, I was delayed, yes, Iwas going crazy, but these
other things were going on in mylife that I was grateful yeah
that the gallery wasn't open yetand I was able to give full
attention to these things and mydad and my mother-in-law, both
believers, you know, I know I'llsee him again, um I just love
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it, though, because youmentioned earlier, before we got
on, that you know you had evensaid wouldn't it be cool if I
could be in the, the studio ofthis new building, you know, a
couple of years before weactually opened, just to kind of
get my bearings.
And that actually happened,maybe not the way you thought it
was going to happen, but theLord actually gave you that gift
.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So yeah, yeah and his .
You know his timing's alwaysperfect.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
How did you, in the middle of that I mean, I
remember when you were inmastery, you know we'd talk
about it and then we'd getemails from you and calls and be
like, oh my God, all this stuffand I just remember, you know,
no matter how bad it was, you'relike, well, I know God's got a
plan, I know God's got a plan,and um, so what did you do?
I guess internally, because Iknow that when we've got a
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vision from the Lord and it's apowerful, big vision that's
going to release thistransformation and going to
change people's lives, the enemypulls out all the stops right,
and so he's trying to get us tocome out of agreement with the
vision that God's given us andinto agreement with the lies and
the mirage of fear that he'strying to put up there, the lies
and the mirage of fear thatthat he's trying to put up there
(19:16):
.
What were you doing on a dailybasis, moment by moment basis,
just to to keep yourselfencouraged and be like, nope,
I'm not giving up, like I'mgoing to keep going, no matter
what.
And um, I mean that's just that, like people, you can maybe can
do that for a week or two, butyou're talking like two and a
half three years that you had towalk through this.
This was no joke.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, that's true.
I think part of it, like whenmy dad was still alive.
My dad was very entrepreneurial, started a lot of businesses
and I would have conversationswith him, like who am I to do
this?
And he's like you know.
Wouldn't you rather try andfail than never try at all?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
And I remember one time I was kind of talking to
the Lord like Lord, I'm a nobody, and the scripture came to mind
, I think it's in Isaiah Idelight in using nobodies and
I'm like, cool, that's me, I'mqualified, I'm qualified.
Well, that's me, I'm qualified,I'm qualified.
(20:16):
So you know, I think a lot ofit was just my entrepreneurial
background, a lot of support.
I have two brothers and asister.
We're all.
We have a family office withthese businesses.
We work together, we encourageone another.
So I had a big support systemthere and, of course, my husband
.
There was never any talk ofquitting or giving up.
(20:37):
It's just a matter of it'sgoing to happen, when it's going
to happen, and we can trust theLord.
So, I had a whole group ofpeople who were encouraging and
with me in the yo-yosencouraging and with me in the
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yo-yos, and the Lord is faithful.
And I would say the biggestthing I think that helps me is I
start every day with the Lordand I have a journal and it's
funny I look back on oldjournals and I write out prayers
.
Sometimes because, if I don't,my mind wanders and I see like
old prayers I had prayed and I'mlike, wow, god, you answered
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that and I didn't even realizeit.
Because you forget, right, youforget.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Go back and put a checkmark by it.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Right done yeah yeah, and and also like when I was in
the mastery program, it wasnice there were other.
There were other gallery ownersthere who also had their
stories of what they wentthrough.
Um, so, and I knew too from mydad, like being in business is
not for the faint of heart rightright you know and you have to.
(21:52):
You have to plan for it to be along game.
That's the biggest thing aboutnew businesses.
They need to be resourced formaybe the first three years.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, sure.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Plan on.
It can take that long toestablish yourself and have a
cash flow where you're breakingeven or making money.
It can take up to three years.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, absolutely, so you have to be prepared for that
.
Yeah, and that's no matter whatindustry you're in, especially
in the arts right.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Exactly, Absolutely Exactly.
And you know my little town.
I had a local businessman comein, a barber and he looked
around and he was like yeah,yeah, this is no one in this
town is going to buy this.
like, um, well, I'm hoping to bea destination gallery that's
(22:40):
right, people will come, youknow, I want to be, you know, uh
, but then I've had other peoplecome in and be like, wow, this
is beautiful, this is amazing.
Thank you for for believing inthe town and opening this yeah,
so you get the spectrum, sureyou?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
have to be gracious to everybody yeah, well, there's
always going to be people thatdon't get what you do or what
you carry in this life.
I mean, we we used to havepeople like that all the time.
Coming to the river artsdistrict in asheville and I had
a lady one time.
She's like this is so great.
Now what do you do for a living?
and and I said, well it'd bethis every day I come in and I
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make art and I sell it, you know, but people, just, you know, we
, we think, how stupid canpeople be?
But they're not.
They just don't have a contextright For art, buying art and
art is, you know, important inculture and all that and in
people's lives.
So we get the beautifulopportunity to get to bridge
that gap with people.
But, pamela, I want to ask you,as we're kind of wrapping up
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today, you know there are somany people that are listening
out there that maybe they have adream right that God's put on
their heart.
Maybe they've been waiting,waiting, waiting for something
to pop, you know, and justdoesn't feel like it's coming.
What would you say to them?
In order to number one, I guess, keep connected to the vision
that God's given them.
(23:59):
But also, at some point we haveto take a step of faith, right,
we have to step out, even whenwe, when we don't see it right,
coming fully into fruition, intointo reality yet.
So what would you just say toencourage somebody like that
that's sitting there full ofvision but not seeing it come to
pass?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
yet Well, persistence pays.
You know I actually we have asuper bowl for our art form.
It's called quilt national andthe first time I entered it was,
I think, in the year 2000.
I did not get in.
I finally got in in the year2017.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
And as we were driving to the opening, I said
to my husband there is one awardI do not want to get.
And I told him about this awardbecause it was awarded to the
person who had tried the mosttimes before they actually got
in.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Or years person who had tried the most times before
they actually got in right.
Um, or or years, so um, anyway,I did win that award.
I tied with someone.
We both got it.
I also got another award, um,but I was actually just visiting
the more most recent quiltnational show in athens, ohio,
and the man who was sitting inthe gallery space was the man
who handed me the award and Iintroduced myself to him.
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I'm like, hey, you gave me anaward.
He's like, hey, you're aPersistence Pays gal.
And then when I got back to mystudio space or in my gallery, I
was giving an artist talk tosome ladies and I said the
Persistence Pays Award was forthis quilt and the Holy Spirit
just was like Pam, the Lord ishonoring your persistence.
(25:42):
Yeah, come on you have beenpersistent and that quilt was
actually bought by theInternational Quilt Museum and
it's in their collection.
And even my whole show in mygallery was done over 14 years
and I had never seen all my workhung up at once.
And to see it and to realize Ihad this cohesive body of work
(26:06):
that.
I kept consistently working atthrough difficult times in my
life, I was diagnosed withdepression.
Working at through difficulttimes in my life, I was
diagnosed with depression.
I had a daughter who hadsignificant health issues that
required a lot of doctor'sappointments, and there were a
lot of difficult things going onin my life, but I still was
able to create and I think thatcreative space and creating is
(26:30):
what God made me to do and itwas also what rejuvenated me and
, like if I didn't get in mystudio space for a week or two,
my husband would say you'regrumpy, you need to go work.
He would recognize that thatwas my space where I refueled
and found joy.
(26:52):
Yeah, and you know, I alsothink of Moses, right?
He spent 40 years in the desert, right?
40 years in Pharaoh's palace,40 years in the desert, 40 years
leading God's people.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
There are lots of people in the Word who God like
David.
He was anointed how many yearstill he actually became a Jew.
So, in that between time, justkeep making, keep developing
your talent.
If you have the opportunity tostudy with people, in whatever
(27:30):
your medium is, study with them.
Keep making, sketch, developyour voice and, most important,
develop your relationship withthe Lord, because if he's put
this desire in your heart tomake, he has a purpose for it
and he wants it to be uniquelyyours.
(27:51):
That's so good.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
It's so good because it's in those in-between times,
right that the tension ofknowing and not seeing it yet.
Right, that God is working inour hearts and he's preparing
the foundations, he's fillingthe cracks, right, he's doing
all the things that we need tobe able to walk in the things
that he's actually promised usin our life and I just I love
(28:15):
your story and family, just yourfaithfulness, I mean, and
persistence pays.
That may be the, the name ofthe, of the, the title of this
episode, because, man, that isjust, you're such a poster child
of that story and thank you forbeing on today.
I know folks are going to wantto connect with you.
Come to the destination, seethe gallery, but maybe follow
(28:36):
you on Instagram or your websitefirst, so where's all the
places that they can find youand connect?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Well, I have a personal website, pamelalohancom
, and I have work there and Iblog once a month and then the
gallery is LohanGallerycom.
We're also on Facebook andInstagram.
I don't know those addresses byheart.
I apologize.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, but we can look them up and put them in the
show notes so people can findthat.
But, Pamela, what a joy to bewith you today.
I know people are superinspired and just again, just
another somebody, another,somebody saying keep going,
God's got a plan and uh, andyou're definitely do that.
So thank you for being on thepodcast today.
It's been a joy.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Well, thank you for having me.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Hey, my friend, before you go, make sure that
you're signed up for thethriving Christian artists.
Weekly it's my free newsletter,full of spiritual encouragement
, creative inspiration andpractical tips to help you
thrive in everything that God'scalled you to do as an artist in
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podcast episode, featured artistspotlights, a worship song of
(29:44):
the week and again, tons of tipsand encouragement and
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