WAKE UP CALL #2 w/Lou Perez

Fellow Locals Creator and Comedian Lou Perez joins us for this episode of #TheWakeUpCall and we kick things off talking about how comedy specials will inevitably change. We chat about how guys like Tim Dillon are disrupting the space, and how it ultimately benefits comedians, regardless of what Christian Finnegan says. Is everyone woman on OnlyFans getting rich? We find out.

Episode Transcript

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Yeah, and I also love likean obsessive and impulsive personality, So I

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just keep replaying shit like about likeI'm sure, I'm sure we're gonna have
a good time here, but justyou know, an hour after later,
when we're done, I'm going tobe regretting everything I said and just going
over it like I could have Icould have said this, I should have
said this. You know. Yeah, well that's I think that's the nature
of comedians, like as comedians werealways you know, I have an album

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that came out in two thousand andtwelve with bits that I still do because
I completely rewrote them, you knowwhat I mean, And now it's a
completely different piece of work. Soyou know, it's impossible as a comedian
to ever feel good about something.And you know, I feel like if
I ever I'm lucky enough to getto do an hour special fifteen minutes after

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it lands on you know, Netflixor Amazon or whatever platform it goes on,
Um, you know, I'm gonnabe like, fuck, I hate
that joke. I have a muchbetter tag for that joke now as millions
of people are consuming it. Well. Also, you know the reality too,
I mean there are I think there'sso few comedians that are able that
you're able to capture with the cameraas opposed to being live, Like they're

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just like, like someone like JessicaCurson. Do you know Jessica Clason.
Yeah, she is just a murdererlive Like it's fucking insane, and it's
like, how do you capture that? You know, how do you capture
that that feeling of being in thecomedy celler with this fucking maniac on stage?

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And it's you know, I thinkI think so for a lot of
people, it's really difficult to grabat their best well and sometimes too.
I think one of the things Ithink you're gonna see and I toyed around
with doing this super low budget afew years back, was doing sort of
like a special, but it's alsosort of like a documentary and so you

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know, in my mind, Iwas like, so much of being a
comedian is not just what happens onstage, but what happens off stage as
well. So it's like, youknow, with somebody like Jessica, you've
got to see the set, andthen you've got to see her at the
table, and then you've got tosee her life, and it's like to
really get a full rap. Ialways felt that way about a tell.
It's like you got to see that, that's what made Insomniac so cool?

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Is it like you got to seestand up and then you got to see
everything that happens after the show andeverything that comics are doing before the show.
And I don't know, I feellike I feel like if you're looking
at your hour special as a wayto build your brand now that podcasting is
such a big part of it andwho you are sort of off stage is
such a big part of built ofsuch a big part of your brand,

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I think specials have to include alot more of that stuff that isn't just
your stand up. Last night Idid an episode my friend Ryan Long,
and Ryan's hilarious. Yeah he's great, and yeah, we were talking about
like the question I had was,you know, with all the annoying people
complaining about comedy, it's like,well, what why are you going to

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kind of like what are you tryingto get out of it? And you
know, he brought up like somepeople, you know, they want to
laugh. Other people it's like,hey, it's something to do. It's
like a dape thing. And thenthere's another aspect of it where you have
these people with really popular podcasts whereit's like I want to go and watch
my friend talk for an hour likethat, Like I love this guy and

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I want to go watch them talk. So yeah, I think it's gone
beyond you know, well beyond whatyou know. The regular specials used to
be the difference between having like realsuccess these days and just being another guy.
You know, you can't just bea showcase comic anymore. Like when
and I don't know how long haveyou been doing stand up? Um,
I think stand up I've been doinglike technically like ten years, okay,

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but but like my main stuff hasalways been like doing videos and that sort
of thing. Yeah, good,that's good for you, because I you
know, I tweeted this the otherday. I think you might might have
interacted with it or whatever, butI said, I was talking about mediums,
and I was talking about the factthat like a lot of oh oh.
It was in regards to the ChristianFinnigan thing. Christian Finnigan was like,

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sorry, you failed as a standup and had to become a right
wing podcaster, And I tweeted thatand said, by the way, everyone
who's done this has made ten timesmore money than Christian Finnigan we'll ever see
um And it's like, you know, it's and people were like, oh,
it sounds like bitterness and jealousy,and I was like, dude,
every comedian does this. When whena new platform or a new way of
creating your brand or or launching yourcareer comes out, everyone shits on it.

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Like we all did it when vinecame out. We did it when
YouTube came out. Like I startedstand up in two thousand and seven,
like January two thousand and seven,So at the end of two thousand and
six, I think I did myfirst open mic like the day after Christmas
in two thousand and six. Andyou know, I remember when YouTube came
out and I was like, Idon't want to you know, there's a

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lot of the shit on here sucks, Like people are filming this with their
handheld you know, digital camera videooption and uploading it and it's like,
I don't want to do that.Like you know, you're thinking, I
want to make you know, televisionlevel content before I put anything out.
And the next thing, you know, this open micer that you do shows
with has two million followers on YouTubeand you missed the boat, like because

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you were resistant to this new thing. And when I moved to LA in
two thousand and nine, the samething happened with Vine. You saw it
happen with podcasting. Now you're seeingit with TikTok. You're seeing all these
other things. And it's like,you know, somebody like a Christian Finnagan
can shit on you know, youknow who he's talking about. And they're
not even really right wing podcasters,but you know guys like that who showcased

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for you know, to work theImprovs, and they showcase for Comedy Central,
and they begged for years to gettheir half hour presents and stuff.
And then a guy like Tim Dilloncomes along, hits make an eighty grand
a month doing a podcast and cancan decide whatever he wants to do as
a comedian, and so you know, there's there's definitely bitterness there. But

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it's like when you say most ofthe time what you did in the beginning
or what you've done all along isvideo content and stuff. I mean,
it's like that is that is thefuture. Like I don't shit on people
that have made a career that way. I'm just behind in the game and
I think for too long, Ijust let the unanswered questions remain unanswered,

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of like, well, how doI produce this? Or how do I
do this? Or I don't knowa guy who knows how to edit,
I don't know how to I don'tknow a sound guy. I don't know.
And it's just like, yo,man, learn how to do all
this shit yourself. Yeah, well, well with the dude like like Christian
Finnegan and I, you know,I haven't um, you know, kept
up with with his career, butI remember remember seeing him most of the
time doing stuff like the I lovethe eighties, I love the nineties,

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you know, talking head stuff.Yeah, and that's not there anymore.
And also, you know, evenjust throwing out like oh someone is a
failed you know, stand up orfailed this. I come on, and
you talk to any stand up comic. They all have their friends who they're
like, I can't believe this amazingcomedian isn't bigger. I can't I can't

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believe so and so. I can'tbelieve so and so is not known and
he should be known if or sheshould be known. You know, it's
it's like, you know, tryingto make that dig and you know,
and also and I don't know ifhe meant like if he was talking about
Tim Dillon, but I mean,Tim Dillon is just a fucking savage man.
Like he's he's amazing on stage.He's another one of those guys.

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M To see him live is toexperience something. But without podcasting, don't
you think Tim Dillon would have beenone of those guys because he's a he's
not like but unto he's not thehe doesn't have the look, he doesn't
have the you know, he doesn'tfit the category even as a gay comic.
He doesn't really hit the mark theway the industry wants. That would
have been a guy that, withoutthe ability to take what he does and

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go direct a consumer on the internet, he would have been a guy that
we'd all be sitting in a greenroom and going, how the fuck is
that guy not famous? Right?And then because of these things, that
guy found his audience and was ableto go out and get it. And
yeah, and also you know,with with Tim, and here's something I
don't think a lot of people youknow, maybe recognize. But when he

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used to be on Facebook, heused to write a lot more I guess
a lot of Yeah, maybe hehas a newsletter or something like that.
But he was a really great writeras well. Yeah, you know,
so he used to write these,like, you know, much longer pieces.
Some of them would be you know, sort of the same comedic bits
that he would do. Other stuffI think would have a more serious,
uh you know, serious tinge toit. And it's like this is you're

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you're not just dealing with Oh,this guy does videos, or this guy's
a podcast, or this guy doesstand up with a with a comedic mind,
right, and and you know thereality is that there's so many different
ways, uh to express ideas,Like you have some ideas that, oh,
this will work great as a asa stand up bit, and other
ideas it'll work great in a youknow, sort of a will Sasso fucking

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vine, you know sort of thing, a you know, uh like a
Buster Keaton esque throwback, you know, short you know, short little thing.
And are we recording right now?Yeah, I'll fantastic, Yeah,
okay, and all this stuff.Yeah, I was about to say you
know that trick Luke could just startrecording so that without saying anything and you

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get the good ship there there wego. Um So, and of course
I had to I had to killmy own stream. Yeah, even even
doing my own TV show. Uh, my fucking director and cinematographer would do
that. I would just start talkingto a chef in the kitchen while they
were setting up and uh, andthen I would look up. It would
be like ten minutes of us riffingand shooting the ship. And then I

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would look over the director and go, what don't we going? What are
we? Let me? Are weready? And he's like, we just
got it. So he's like you'redone. I was like, oh cool.
Yeah, So well, well,I guess on the on the on
the comedy mind thing, I thinkit's it comes down to not being afraid
to um, you know, crossthese imaginary boundaries and to you know,
step out and see and see what'swhat I have A I started out in

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college doing improv improvaled to sketch comedy. I was doing sketching improv for a
number of years before I was braveenough to do stand up. And you
know, anybody who does stand up, you know that you have shows where
hey, you know what, thisis like a storytelling show. But you
know what, maybe I could like, maybe I could I could stretch out

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this bit that's based on something inreal life where it's a story, but
I still have these elements of it. And you do a show like that
and you start discovering other things aboutyou know, about the jokes you're telling.
So I think I think it's allabout just just being brave enough to
you know, oh, if youever, if you ever have to confront
a man like Christian Finnegan, youknow, be brave little one. There's

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a there's a kid's book that Iread to my son, it's be Brave
Little One. You know. Yeah, and that might be one of those
instances. Well, you know,and that's kind of the same thing I
went after, you know, JimGaffigan for in the summertime, is you
know, he was like went superhard against Trump and and uh, you
know, he made it sound likeso many of his fans and followers went

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back at him, and it's like, well, you've kind of ridden the
rails as a conservative comedian for youknow, ten years, and and now
that that might jeopardize this budding actingcareer that you're working on. Um,
you know, now you're you're youcame out and said, oh, I
don't know, the most popular thingyou could possibly say right now. And
you know, in a time wherea lot of comedians are out there risking

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their platform and risking their career yearssaying things that are actually unpopular, I
think when a guy like that,who's hot, first of all, fucking
loaded, and second of all sayingsomething that's not controversial in his industry or
in the public space at all,it's like you really watered down the fight.
Like people like myself who have actuallylost jobs, actually got dropped by

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their agency actually you know, beenfired from from pretty well paying gigs,
you know, for saying something thatwas unpopular yet true. You know,
it's sort of like it's sort oflike a slap in the face of like,
look at everything, I'm risky.It's like, you're not risking shit.
You basically came out and said thesky is blue and then tried to

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tell us that you're being controversial.It's just not you know, Yeah,
I think I think it's really importantfor people to be honest with themselves and
the public when it comes to risksthat you know, that are being taken.
And it's like, look, andI remember reading you know some of
those uh you know, some ofthat thread and it's like, look,
you know, if this is howyou really feel about the guy, Okay,

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but you know, don't pretend likeyou are actually you know that you
know your family is going to starve. If you you know, you're you're
risking your family possibly never eating againbecause you put this out out there.
Yeah, I mean, and youknow, and then you look at you
look at what's happening right now toto you know, it has I don't
know that it hasn't really hit comediansyet. I don't think the censorship stuff

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has hit comedians so much as peoplethat are almost exclusively right wing talking heads.
But when you start to look atthis, and this is what I
always say about sides, it's likeI've I've now been labeled sort of a
right wing comedian. But it's like, from a principal perspective as a comedian,
I've always been a free speech guy. I've always been ever anything goes
guy, make fun of whatever youwant, use whatever language you want.

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I mean, this idea that artis not supposed to be offensive is new
to me. It's like the wholereason I decided to be an artist of
any kind is because it allows Iwould be to be offensive and allowed me
to, you know, try toprovoke people or try to get them to
be uncomfortable to the point where nowthey're open to hearing different ideas or even
just laughing um in a different waythan they would without it. I mean,

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to me, being offensive is theintellectual equivalent of alcohol. Being offensive
can help take somebody's guard down sothat now they're willing to be suggested something
they wouldn't do before. Like Ihave to be offensive as a comedian to
get you to hear what I'm saying, the same way you have to get
a chick drunk enough to let youput it in her butt. Look,

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I'm not saying you specifically, thankyou, thank you cretically. Yeah,
there's a guy out there. Yeah, although I knew, I knew a
girl whom Yeah, she was like, no, there's no way I could
ever know do hanal without without youknow, having some some liquor. And
I respect that, right Yeah.Well but well it's a thing too,

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you know, it's sort of Ithink being offended also, you know,
gives you the opportunity the question whyis it that you're offended? What?
What? What offends you about this? And I've noticed it too, I've
noticed it since I've become a dad, Like my son is nine months old,
going on ten months, where youknow, there are things that I

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you know, jokes that I wouldmake, you know, ten years ago
or when I was much younger,that kind of you know, I'm a
little squeamish about them now because hey, this is where I am now.
But the idea that I would sortof go out of my way or try
to stop somebody from being able tosay that joke because it offends me I

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am. It does feel like I'msort of on a different planet, you
know sometimes where I'm because that thatis not what something that I would that
I would be up for. Well, it also helps us all be different,
right, I Mean when I wascoming up, the thing that separated
comics really was the risk that theywere willing to take. And there would
be guys that were way more offensivethan me that we're doing material I would
never come across because of those wereareas I never even thought to explore.

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And then there are people and evenon the other end of the spectrum,
like a Brian Regan who gets somuch meat out of exploring mundane sort of
things that everybody feels like I've alreadybeen mined to death. And he's famously
said, you know, I wantto have I want to mind that stuff
and get the last drops of materialout of them that other people have overlooked.
And so everybody has their different theirdifferent methods and stuff. And the

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concern I have with everything is like, when you overregulate it, it all
becomes the same, it all becomeshomogenized. And that's really what boring mediocre
comedians want. I mean, peoplewith ten minutes on Tinder and you know,
and now comedians with fifteen minutes onzoom meetings. It's like, dude,
that's not Everyone should be able toshare what their human experiences. And

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you know, if somebody has beenhuman trafficked and has been a prostitute since
the time there were six in Uganda, I want to hear that story.
I want to hear those bits.Like the reason everybody's laying down for this
censorship stuff is because in their mindthey're just the only people getting censored are
racist white men. And it's like, no, that slippery slope is going

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to go all the way down toeverybody to where now you're not going to
be able to hear the stories thatare really compelling and interesting, which are
what you're clamoring for in Hollywood.It's an easy fix. It's like I
have a it's like I do notlike what that person is saying. Get
rid of them, you know,once they're gone, then I don't have
to deal with it anymore. Andnobody has to deal with it anymore,
as opposed to you know, actuallyconfronting that stuff. And it's wild too

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because I look up to people likeNadine Strassen and nat Hentoff, who were
you know, liberal liberal people whoNadine was used to be the president of
the ACLU, and you look atthe battles at the acl you fought on
this front, and it's like,I don't know if I agree with Nadine

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on issues of like economics or maybeeven maybe even cultural issues like as far
as you know, the way thatwe live our lives, but damn,
when it comes down to, youknow, the protections of free speech,
we're we're right there. Yeah,and it's and it's really it's really it's
wild that you know, here weare. You know. However, many

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years after the UH, neo Nazistry to march on Skokie and trying to
explain why why it's important that thesame free speech protections that a you know,
mundane uh, you know comedian hasis just as important as the free
speech protections of even the worst fuckingpeople. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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I agree. I mean, youknow, it's and as many many people
smarter than us and earlier than ushave said, it's like, you know,
it's the best way to defeat shittyideas is with better ideas. But
when you start to you know,a whole reason QAnon exists is because people
shun it and call it stupid andcrazy, and then those people band together
and form underground communities, and youknow, it's like this same thing that

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allows flat Earth to flourish is thefact that if you just brought the most
foremost person on flat Earth into aserious intellectual discussion and watch them get their
ass handed to them, that's theend of the movement. But they don't
do that. They go, Iwouldn't even Anneil de grass Tyson goes,
I wouldn't even debate a flat Earthconspiracist, And then you absolutely pour gas
on that fire, and they go, look, they won't even debate me.

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They won't it. They know theyknow, and he's part of the
cover up, and so you createthis whole underground community. You don't even
give them an audience, and thenyou know, you lend credibility to an
insane movement. And the more theycensor, the more of these things are
going to get radicalized, and themore extreme it's gonna get, the more
these people are going to feel sorighteous and so right that it's going to

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get to a point where no one'sgoing to be able to stop it.
You know, it's interesting when itcomes to the conspiracy theories because you know,
one on one hand, you knowsomeone like Neil de gross Tyson or
um uh, you know other scientists. They they only have so much time
in their day to be able todevote and that's and that's understandable. But
I feel like what what often happensis h I see people pointing to the

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conspiracy theorist and the dangers of conspiracytheories, and sometimes it seems like it's
a really nice way to deflect attentionfrom the really important and harmful stuff.
So just for example, I knowpeople who are nine to eleven truthers,
right, And yeah, one ofmy best buddies in comedy is It has
one of the biggest conspiracy theory podcasts, Sam Tripoli. Oh yeah, you

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know, Sam and I will geton the phone and we'll we'll talk about
stuff, and you know this fivetopics. We talk about two of them,
I might be like, all right, dude, I don't know if
I can go on that, butthree of them might go holy shit.
I never looked at it like that, but but I bring that up because,
um, while I you know,am a sheep, and I believe,
you know, the official story ofnine to eleven. Okay, Um,

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if you look at who's done more, you're saying, as you hate
Islam, I got it, some too, bro, I'm kidding.
So if we weigh, right,um, the actions of conspiracy theories nine
to eleven truthers versus our invasion ofIraq, one of those, you know,
one group of people had a profoundeffect on the future of the world

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and has a lot of blood ontheir hands, and the others are kind
of kookie people who you know,like to discuss you know, what temperature,
uh shit burns, you know,And it's sort of it's sort of
and it's sort of like, arewe still talking about the Middle East?

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So that's where I am on that. Yeah, I mean, you know,
it's it's you got to let thecrazies into the town hall once in
a while so that you know thatthose people don't end up burning it down
from the outside, which is kindof what we saw last week. I
mean, you know, and thisis the thing. The one thing that
really bothered me about the insurgents wasjust the pearl clutching, you know,

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this idea that we live in acountry that's so fucking great for everybody,
that that couldn't that should and couldnever happen. It's like, didn't you
tell us all summer that America isnot working out for some people while swaths
of our culture and civilization were burningdown cities and looting stores and raging in

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the streets. And there were alot of talking heads because it was on
their side of the political argument thatwe're like, you know this, this
America might be working for some peopleright now, but obviously it's not working
for everybody. And this is whathappens when America doesn't work for everybody,
you know, and then that happensat a higher sort of government scale without
any sort of organization or or realintent. At the root of this are

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people that feel this great sense ofunrest, this feeling of like I don't
feel like the country is working forme, and you know, I demand
to be heard. And you know, the more we censor these people on
the fringes, the more the fringesare going to expand, and they're going
to get bigger and broader and moreinclusive, and next thing, you know,
we're going to be at the placewhere we have, you know,

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a divisive civil war in this country. I mean, you know, looking
at you know, the events ofthat day, I'm just trying to keep
it up beat. Yeah, Ihope, I'm I'm hope, I'm I
hope I'm on the side of thein the civil war with the funny comedians.
Um. But you know, likelooking at the people you know who
you know, ransacked, you know, the Capitol building, it's like these

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people are taking selfies, Um,you know some of them, I guess
maybe some of them are live streamingand something like that, which is just
so sort of emblematic of the timesthat we live in. And you know,
seeing the words coup thrown around,it's like, you know, for
Americans to have been trying to youknow, you know, enact a coup.

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They sure didn't have a lot offirearms, and you would think,
you know, in the in themost armed country in the world, that
that's what you know, that thatwould have happened. I mean, you
know, thankfully it wasn't like areal organized effort, you know, because
I could just imagine, you knowwhat, even half a dozen you know,

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armed train people who had been practicing, you know, what would have
happened there. And I am I'ma little I'm a little worried for you
know, upcoming events, you know, what's going to happen on the inaugurational
that because we don't want to seebloodshed you know, yeah, exactly well,
and honestly, it shouldn't have tocome to that. I mean,
if anything, that the concern Ihave is that our leaders are going to

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write this off as some sort ofyou know, as a way to really
destroy any potential further political career ofTrump or anyone in that family or that
circle, and ignore the fact thatit rooted in it is the fact that
the Americans are unhappy with what's happeningright now. And you know, I
always say this would people go youknow, this is terrible, and this

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is a sedition, and this isthat. It's like, look at the
amount of planning that went into Columbine. If even that slight amount of planning
had gone into this, you're lookingat a way different scenario. I mean,
like, and those kids were unhappyat high school. So imagine when
half a million people who are onthose fringes, who are comprised of veterans

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and ex military and everything else,start to feel the same way. Then
you've got a real problem on yourhands. And so I just feel like,
because they are ballooning this thing upto be so much bigger than I
think most sensible people feel like itis. When when the real potential ship
comes, how do you It's likethe boy who Cried Wolf. It's like,

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you made that sound like that's acoup. So when a real coup
comes and is ten times bloody orand ten times worse, you're not going
to have another gear for the reaction. You've already expelled it. Yeah.
I read something recently a buddy ofmine shared with me. I think it
was I don't know if it wasthe associate with the Mesis the Mesis Institute,

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but the author of it was pointingout that, you know, one
of the the important elements of acoup is that it involves the elite.
And by the elite, it couldbe either politicians or military. So if
you look at you know a numberof coups that have happened in Latin America,
it's usually a military coup, youknow, so there's like real trained,

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armed people with most of the timewith a you know, some kind
of support behind them, um,you know, get getting stuff there.
It's yeah, fall in general somebodywho you know, it's like The Rock.
You know, you've got a fourstar general played by Ed Harris,
who's you know, standing up forinjustices. You know. The Rock doesn't
get enough credit for being one ofthe first movies with sort of a sympathetic

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anti hero. You know, whenyou hear Ed Harris a story in that
movie that he's outraged that the youknow, families of fallen soldiers aren't being
taken care of, and he's,you know, has this terrorist attack domestic
terrorism attack planned on the United States. I went back and watched that movie
again and I was like, isEd Harris the good guy in The Rock?
You know what I mean? LikeI had this completely different perspective,

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being now thirty seven versus when Isaw that movie, I was probably in
my teens or something. You know, yeah, I haven't seen it.
I haven't seen it in a while. I wonder if Dwayne the Rock Johnson
had just overshadowed, Yeah, overshadowedthat. Yeah. I'm sure, yeah,
yeah, exactly. I don't thinkanybody even knows. I'm sure if
they remake The Rock, he'll bein it. He's got to be in
it, Yeah, he'll He'll playthis Stanley Goodspeed character and we'll have to

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pretend he can't kick everyone's ass umThis is the other thing that bothers me
the most about The Insurgents is likeby everyone taking it so seriously, it's
like you can't even make fun ofit. And there's a lot to make
fun of in last Wednesday's or deal. Oh yeah, yeah, Well it
was funny because I started, um, I think it was sort of that

(28:25):
day I started posting a lot ofa lot of jokes about about Trump and
what was going on, and Ihad a number of people who've been follow
me for a while get really upsetwith me that I dared to make a
joke about about Trump, and oneguy said, oh, I see that
you're sucking up to the status quo. Now, oh yeah, we're You
and I are grifters because people seethis as an emergent um category and they

(28:52):
think that now we're grifting the sameway a Candis Owens is grift is grifting,
like she can't possibly believe what shesaying. She's grifting whites. Yeah,
And it's it's one of those thingswhere it's like, well, I
don't know if you've been following mefor the past, you know, four
or five years, Um, youknow, going with the status quo isn't
really my thing, but you know, maybe yeah and and oh yeah,

(29:15):
and just the idea that that maybe, you know, three days of making
jokes at Trump's uh, you know, take my career to the next level.
You know, that's what people havebeen waiting for, you know,
me and my less than five thousandfollowers on Twitter. Well, that's what
I always am surprised with, islike, you know, going back to
when we were talking about the ChristianFinnegan thing, It's like, well,

(29:36):
you can call these grifts, butlike the sort of push and I wouldn't
even call it conservative. I wouldcall it like it's more libertarian. It's
more like most of the conservatives inthe comedy world are like true libertarians.
They want limited regulation and maximum freedomright. And when you look the amount
of careers that have blossomed from newfoundinterest in that point of view versus the

(30:00):
people who have gotten famous off ofshitting on the president. You've got Sarah
Cooper doing TikTok videos making fun ofthe president. That's one person in the
last year who got famous off ofshitting on the president. And I don't
know how many people have created entirecommunities behind thinking differently, behind having being
even being willing to explore Um,okay, real quick quick question, guys,

(30:23):
what if Trump isn't racist? Andpeople that are even willing to ask
those questions have these massive fan base. I can think during the election,
they pulled people and it was somethingastounding, like ninety percent of the American
public don't trust what they see onmainstream media. It's like, that's that's
that's profound. And if you havea question about how is a guy like

(30:47):
Trump's message resonating, I mean there'syour answer right there. People don't trust
the system and they're showing that they'rewilling to take a you know, hardly
articulate populist candidate in his seventies justto resist the mainstream narrative of what they're

(31:07):
being told and what they're being directedto do. And so, you know,
I always tell people, if youthink Trump is bad, wait till
you see what comes next. Andthis is where the censorship becomes a problem.
It's like, if somebody like aTulsi Gabbard is going to get de
platformed, and you're gonna fuel thatconspiratorial side of the right wing that even

(31:29):
people with moderate sensible views can't beheard, it's going to push them into
the extremes. And then they're gonnawell, if you don't let Tulsa be
president, then fuck you, we'regonna give you Alex Jones. And it's
like that angry. I think therewas a lot of people when Trump got
in that were like it was afuck you vote. It was like,
oh, he's not gonna make it, okay, I'm voting for him,
you know what I mean? Yeah, Yeah, And I think, yeah,
I think you can't, you know, downplay the power of fuck you.

(31:53):
You can't downplay the power of peoplegoing about their lives every single day
just feeling to looking around and saying, I can't trust any of these people.
I can't trust what I'm being told. Life is kicking the shit out
of me. How can I fightback? Well, one way I can
fight back is at the polling station. This is an article that came out

(32:14):
today from the New York Times thatI absolutely loved, and I know you
were like, we've got to talkabout this. Turns out the gals on
Only Fans not all doing great.This gal, Savannah, she is what
was this say? She's a Shewas a medical biller and then switched to
only fans and now, surprise,surprise, she's not already a millionaire.

(32:37):
I mean the audacity of the generalpublic not to you know, clamor for
her content. And by the way, I like how the headline says that
she's struggling. It says she's madesixty four thousand dollars since July. I
think she's doing okay. Oh yeah, that's sounds like she's doing She's doing

(33:00):
okay. I was a little upsetwhere you have an article about how hard
it is to make ends meet andit was behind a paywall, you know,
so it's sort of like you were, you sort of like double indemnifying
these women where it's like, youknow, they're having a tough time on
only fans, but also they're gonnahave a tough time with people reading about
how tough of a time they're havingon only fans. Yeah. Um,

(33:23):
and it's so funny, you know, it says it's, uh, it's
just enough to take care of herown bills, but to help family and
friends with rent and car payments.Uh, you know, she's she's so
she's doing even more and even moreher family and her family and friends on
only fans too. I mean,yeah, it's interesting and you go down

(33:44):
here. And then this girl washoping for a similar windfall. She's a
restaurant worker in Billings, Montana,and she's been laid off three times.
Uh, so she went to onlyfans and she has only made five hundred
dollars are now listen, I don'treally you know, I'm not about the
body shaming, but when we talkabout capitalism, I'm sorry, Lexi,

(34:08):
but this is you and this isthe girl making sixty four thousand. Um,
and listen, we can judge alittle bit off of their pictures,
but I'd be willing to bet thatLexi is probably walking around her apartment in
a silk robe and going with mymoney. And I'm willing to bet Savannah's

(34:30):
holes are all over her page.Is there a way to test this?
I'm not on I mean, Idon't know. The first of all New
York Times put these goddamn girls linksin the article. I mean, I
know you're saying you don't want toobjectify them, but they're doing this for
the press. Dropped dropped me thelinks? And is that you said that

(34:50):
Lexi the one that we're on rightnow, Like that's a really sad picture.
Of course, you know, shelooks like a girl who's only made
five hundred dollars a month. Well, it's one of those things. You
know, people talk about income inequalityall the time, but you know,
if you want a really good,you know, sort of example of income
inequality and why it exists, goto a strip club at night and then

(35:10):
go to that same strip club inthe afternoon, and it's like there's a
stark contrast between the strippers working theday shift and those working the night shift.
And this is day shift, thisis night shift. I think it's
pretty self explanatory. Yeah, it'sso wild though, just to kind of
have that that arrogance in the day, in the age that we live in,

(35:34):
where you know, pornography is justI mean it's beyond free. I
mean it's just it's almost like like, you know, you wake up with
new porn, you know, sortof stenciled onto the inside of your eyelids,
and to think that, oh,I'm just going to go and start
my own thing, and man,are just going to drop, you know,
money on me, no regardless ofhow you know, good looking you
are. Yeah, I've had friends, and we talked about this before we

(35:58):
got on the show, but I'vehad friends that have joined all Only Fans
and they're not making money, andit's sort of like, I want to
see if this is a job.I would like to be the guy who,
you know, how we have likea community advisor who helps us with
our community at locals. I wouldlike to be a community advisor for Only
Fans. I would like to bethe guy who gets to call these girls

(36:19):
and go, look, honey,here's why the doe ain't coming in.
If you think that you're going topresent me with some nineteen nineties softcore cinemax
stuff and you're gonna make money.You are horribly mistaken. There's a girl
in Columbia right now who's fucking twohorses at the same time. Step up
your ship. I love that youput a little bit of like a gay

(36:43):
tinge on it. Listen, honey, yeah, well you gotta, I
mean listen. I think I thinkstatistically we know that women like this are
seven times more likely to take advicefrom a sassy gay character than bearded,
straight white like myself. Are thereother pictures of their other characters on only
fans that aren't doing so well?Well, you're looking at him. No,

(37:09):
I'm not an only fan. Yeah, this is Ellie Morocco again.
So this looks like another chick whoyou know, just thinks I'll just put
on some you know what, ifI put on a dress, Everyone's like,
she put a lot into that.It's very stylized. We're so,
is this an ad for a dresscompany? Or is am I paying for
this? It's like, you know, That's the thing that was funny is

(37:31):
everyone got mad at Bella Thorne becauseshe was like, I'm going on only
fans and everyone's like, oh,the seat that that Nickelodeon asshole and uh
and it didn't come out and shewas just it was just like a clone
of her Instagram and she made liketwo million dollars and literally ruined only fans
for their content creators because she didthis cash grab and everyone was so pissed

(37:52):
off. They had to issue allthese refunds because there was really nothing explicit
about her content. They changed interestedthe way they pay their entire platform out
and women used to get paid weeklyand now I think they get paid twice
a month or monthly. They haveto wait for payments to clear and potential
refunds to be issued. So BelleThorne going for this cash grab and doing

(38:16):
a shitty softcore only fans literally ruined, you know, um, the entire
economic structure for girls like Savannah uphere who are killing it. She's probably
run through her entire iPhone with allof her guy friends that you know.
It's it's a little I'm sort ofthe mind, you know, especially with

(38:37):
something like this. You know,if you're only fans, you got to
have your clients back, you know, you got to have your artists back
and be like, look you gotyou got screwed over. Guys if you're
giving money to a site like onlyFans, this isn't the first time you've
been fucked over. Yeah, youknow what it comes to money was it's
like and you're not going to learnfrom this, That's okay, just just

(38:57):
move on. But you know what, all those what do you want the
money back for all those steak dinnersto your motherfucker? Well, you know
I was the game. You gotswindled. There's a there's a really great
UM audiobook by this guy John Ronsoncalled Butterfly Effect, and it's like,
I think maybe a seven or eightpart series, and it's about John Ronson

(39:20):
like exploring the uh, the pornographyindustry in light of things like porn Hub
and UH and what if what impactthat has had on pornography. And it's
obviously like really fucked people out,performers up because they're they're not making as
much as as they used to.But one of the things that came out

(39:40):
of it is sort of this umpornography where it's uh where men will basically
like kind of write a script andmake requests and uh send it to a
particular porn producer. Porn producer willthen cast it and then they will you
know, act it out. Andso it's a personalized porn um porn production.

(40:05):
And you know for one that youknow, that's obviously an example of
sort of adjusting to the market,right and and uh and while it's because
it's so saturated, specialization is theonly way to make money. I mean,
if you're you know, if you'regoing to have, if you're if
you're able to write a scene wherethe performers are saying your name and doing

(40:25):
something that that that you're into,Um, you know, that can definitely
be more appealing than uh, youknow, just just watching like a you
know, an everyday sort of pornthing. But you know, it makes
me wonder that would treat me outtoo much. If I was watching a
porno and some girl looked at cameraand was like, right, Josh Danny,
I'd be like, oh no,the government's in my house, Josh

(40:45):
Danny. That Josh Danny stops sayingthe N word. You ever say the
end porno, I'm gonna have iteverywhere, you know. But it's also
you know, you have like youhave, like what those cam models,
Porno is the only place where itflies anymore. Oh yeah, yeah,
Oh man, do you remember therewere some years back The Onion had a

(41:07):
frigging, amazing, amazing sketch about, um, guys who are watching porn
who are very upset that a whiteperformer said the end word during an interracial
scene. Um, and it turnedoff all of the guys who were watching
it. They were just so disgustedthat that that you would, uh that
she would do that. But UM, yeah, I mean I wonder,

(41:30):
I wonder walking these black eyes andthey're like, I'm into it? Well,
um, you know, I meanI wonder. Look, I don't
know what people are looking for whenthey go to in only fans. Everybody
has their own kink and fetish andall that. But it's like, you
know, I mean, if youwant to compete or make a you know,
make it, I guess you gottaask, you know, how are

(41:52):
you delivering that? Because you startedto sound like, well, Disney,
listen, how do you if youwant to be a star? I think
I started eleven because I started thinkingthis is the same talk I give to
myself as a comedian. I'm like, what what you know? It said?
Nope. I came to this realization, UM a little while back where

(42:13):
it's like I'm thirty eight years old, and there was a time when I
was like eighteen, like a really, I was like a hot piece of
ass that for sure. I couldlike people like guys would have paid me
to like jerk off in front ofthem. Sure, but now I would
have to pay somebody to do that, Like nobody would pay me anything.
Yeah. I mean, you know, there's a there's a lot of dudes

(42:35):
out there trying to get me togo. They were like, I announced
that I was doing this, andI say a lot. There's like five
guys in my DMS who were like, oh man, I was hoping it
was going to be an only fan. It's like, well, if the
locals doesn't work out, stay tuned, the only fans will be next thing.
Yeah, and it'll be me andLexi going, why am I not
making any money? Dude? Iwant to see you with a sad picture

(42:57):
like that? Yeah. Yeah,just if somebody wants to take this picture
of Lexi and photoshop my face onher face looking sad for my only fans,
post that in my locals, thatwould be hilarious, and then do
one with Jim Gaffigan after he lostall these Trump supporters. Yeah, this
will be Jim Gaffigan after he losthis trumps. I'm only making sixty four

(43:19):
thousand a month. I don't knowwhat to do with all the money.
Yeah, I mean, and soit's like it's the it's an economy of
what you're willing to do. AndI think, you know, there's there's
nothing wrong with that. You know, people are into all kinds of stuff.
People are into kinky things, andyou know, one of the things.
Since we're on the subject of whatpeople are into, I mean,

(43:40):
we got to talk about Army Hammer. So this story, I don't know
if you've been following it, ArmyHammer's ex Courtney Vuskovich. I think I
said that right. He wanted tobarbecue and eat me. First of all,
I want to I know, wetalk about clickbait being something that's ridiculous
and overused, but like, howdo you not read this article? As

(44:02):
a barbecue fan, I don't givea shit about celebrity gossip, but as
a fan of barbecue, I gottaread. I gotta see what it is.
Yeah, we're doing, were talkingTexas barbecue, were talking you know
some you know some other stuff.Is it a mustard base salt? When
you cook a person. Is ita mustard base or do you want a
molasses? I mean, this iswhere the extent of my culinary knowledge falls

(44:28):
off a cliff. I don't Iknow nothing about cooking people. That was
never an episode of my show.But you know what, like I can
I can, I just can Ijust say that, just ask ourselves would
we eat this woman? I don'tknow. She doesn't look like she hasn't
a meat on the back, youknow what. She looks like a filet
mignon. It's expensive, but there'snot a lot of marbling and there's not

(44:52):
a lot of flavor, and it'sone of the most overrated cuts of a
thief that you can have. Iwas just I was just thinking Army had
sounds like the biggest attempt to havelike the most masculine name, but somehow
it just isn't masculine. I don'tknow. Yeah, well, well his
his original Hollywood name was battle AxeCockhead, but they thought it was a

(45:14):
little too on the nose, ifyou will, right on the balls.
Um, yeah, he likes theidea of skin in his teeth. Definitely
don't skim this art. Vegans aregoing to have a field day with this
one. They are not gonna beokay, is this just dirty talk or
I mean like it is. Imean, unless there's a body somewhere,

(45:37):
it's like, you know, andthis, this is the weird thing.
And this is what this only canhappen to men, where a woman can
kind of kink shame what a guyis into and paint him as an abuser.
Like a man could never do this. As a woman, I could
never come out and be like,you know, my girlfriend of nine years.
It makes me put vegetables in myasshole. We want to I want

(46:00):
to shame you for not marrying herafter nine years. And that's what a
woman would do too. Yeah,and then anybody watching this knows that through
my assholes probably the only way I'llever get vegetables. But I mean,
you know, a woman, awoman would never get canceled for king shaming
or yeah, we would never,I'm sorry. A woman would never get

(46:21):
canceled if a guy tried to kingshame her. But it's that's what this
feels like. It feels like he'sinto some real creepy dirty talk and now
he's being painted as an abuser.And this is interesting to me to follow
this story because it really does testthe theory can hot dudes be predatory?
Because you know, everyone's like,oh, Weinstein, he's disgusting, and

(46:42):
it's like yeah, but Leo doesa lot of the same kind of like
hey are you fifteen seventeen? Geton my plane, and it's you know,
anytime you bring that up to women, they're like, yeah, but
it's the Leonardo DiCaprio, So there'sno problem. And this is the first
time I've seen them go after ahot guy. I'm I'm concerned because I
mean, what else has he done? I mean, I'm or in the

(47:05):
relationship, what else has he doneto the you know, to his partner?
Any Well, what's interesting is thisline right here that I want to
highlight for you. Come on,let me highlight the line, not the
article. Vuskovich declined to name thesexual acts because she didn't want them to
overshadow the toll Hammer's emotional abuse tookon her. Well, isn't that fucking

(47:29):
convenient? You know? Or here'sa theory. Do you not want to
get sued for defamation by lying?See? This is what bothers me about
these stories. And I'm not sayingthis woman is a lying piece of shit.
I don't know, but what Iam saying is it is very legally

(47:52):
convenient because saying articulating an emotional abusivetoll is as your subjective opinion and you
can't be sued over that, Butnaming that someone did something illegal or immoral
in a public setting that that isnot true is legally risky. You could

(48:15):
absolutely be sued for that. Soit's sort of like, isn't this when
you read these articles and I rememberwhen the Christallia thing happened, there were
so many articles that were like this, where they went right up to the
line of being defamation and then didn'tjump over it. And to me,
when I see that immediate legal distinction, I throw the whole fucking story out
because it's like, wait a minute, if you're not actually accusing him of

(48:37):
any behavior, there's no legal riskfor the publisher, there's no legal risk
for the person who's speaking in thearticle. This is probably all bullshit.
Yeah, I mean, I haven'tother time to read the article, and
there's no way I am but judgeoutside of our conversation. There's no I

(48:59):
am dipping into this, uh intothis thing. But you know it's I
mean, it's like it's it's ait's on page six. Yeah, yeah,
there's a reason. There's a reasonit's page six and not page one.
It's because it's ninety nine percent bullshit. I just think it's interesting that
this is the first example of ahandsome guy who they're trying to throw into

(49:22):
the me too conversation. And Uh, if I were a betting man,
I'd say nothing about this sticks.I'd say this thing goes away very quietly
in the next couple of weeks.The reason this came across the news wire
today is because he dropped out ofa movie with Jennifer Lopez because this story
came out. And uh, it'slike, I'm going to step back and
you know, assess and blah.But all the things that your publicists tell

(49:44):
you to say. Also, howmuch do we think this girl's making on
only fans right now? She's probablydoing pretty talk about the the redhead up
yeah at the top of the screenis no, that's uh, the twenty
most gorgeous redheads in Hollywood, Andthat's boy. It's how how they know
what you're into? Then this isthe best thing for people watching this.

(50:07):
They're like, here are gorgeous redheadsand then some cookwear you fat fuck Uh
yeah. If you guys are curiouswhat I'm into, it's all up here
in my served ads. If yourarmy hammer, then you can cook the
redheads in the walk. There yougo. And and Hallmark apparently I'm into
Hallmark and sweatpants. There you go. That's me sweatpants, Hallmark pants,

(50:30):
redheads. You got it? Ohshit, thank you, Thank god we're
not sharing my screen and in mychurches. Yeah, it's a real dangerous
thing. Um, real quick,real quick here before we go out of
here. I did want to getyour take on something, because I feel
like you always have very good takeson political and current events stuff. What
are your thoughts on USA today publishingthis list? So what I what I

(50:55):
think is kind of interesting is um, you know, every but he's kind
of calling for togetherness and unity andeverything else, and people are saying,
you know, Donald Trump, DonaldTrump called for an insurrection and got it.
He needs to be impeached, heneeds to be removed, he needs
to be prosecuted. Okay, butwhat concerns me is how quickly everybody is

(51:15):
willing to accept that, and yetthe left will continue to make these arguments
that the right is militarized, crazyand violent, and then the USA Today
goes, hey, if you werewondering which one of your party went against
your president, here's a fully publishedlist. And so to me, it
seems like you are literally trying touse the thing that you claim to be

(51:39):
afraid of to hurt people that youdon't like. So it's sort of like
just continuing to stir the pot andfoster more division. Well, I mean,
if Donald Trump's saying make your voiceheard, be strong, and march
down to the Capitol is calling forsedi and is that any different than if

(52:01):
we were to say this is callingfor the assassination of these political figures.
I mean that reach is kind ofthe same reach. I don't I don't
know if you can get the theassassination from from this stuff. Um.
I mean I do find it interestingin here, and you know this is
something um my apologies, I haven'tyou know, kept up on. But

(52:22):
you know, I've seen quite abit about people pointing out, you know,
the fact that Liz Cheney is LizCheney. Um, and of course,
yeah, I mean, you're thedaughter of Darth fucking Vader. And
and it's it's something I mean,it's it's sort of like Donald Trump has
been a wonderful way for people toum basically launder their previous uh, you

(52:44):
know, terrible politics. You know, whether it's you know, people like
like the Lincoln Project, whether it'syou know, like suddenly you know,
George W. Bush is a isa hell of a guy because he you
know, offers uh he offered umfirst Lady Michelle Obama breath mints or yeah
whatever that whatever that story was.Yeah, yeah, And it's interesting.

(53:09):
That's the thing is like, youknow, the the enemy of my enemy
is my friend thing works a littlebit, but when you get to the
point where the where you're literally like, let's say Fred Phelps comes out and
goes, yeah, I'm not forDonald Trump either, but I hate the
faggot's I'm waiting for people to belike, uh, Fred Phelps ain't a
bad guy. At least he's antiTrump. You know. It's just I

(53:30):
feel like I think I tweeted thislast week where I was like, zombie
Hitler comes out against Trump, andpeople on the left would be like,
well, zombie Hitler really can't beheld accountable for the you know the actions
of real life Hitler. I mean, zombie Hitler's cerebral cortex is you know,
non functioning or removed from his primaryfrontal lobe. So you really can't
hold zombie Hitler accountable for the actionsof real life Hitler, and zombie Hitler

(53:53):
being anti Trump seems like a prettygood guy. I mean, zombie Hitler
would have a fucking TV show onNetflix neck week um and then only fans
for sure. Definitely. Yeah,the question is would you be doing Lexi
numbers or Savannah numbers? Um?You know, Josh, I just gotta
say that. I you know,I'm a thirty eight year old man.
I know myself. I will alwaysprefer two horses fucking a chick then watching

(54:17):
a chick walking around a rope.I know I'm part of the problem,
but I admit it. Yeah,well, you know what, I gotta
agree. I probably would get fiveminutes into the robe girl and go I
want to you could use a horse? Could she could use a couple of
horses? Who could take two horses? I mean I would have to.

(54:37):
I would have to tune in justout of morbid curiosity. So you guys
here you heard it here first luperas horse Fuckery apologist loupa for thanks so
much for doing the show Man.Before we we end this, you got
some other stuff you want to plugobviously. Uh, you've got lou Perez

(55:00):
on Locals. We'll send people overthere. Uh, lou Perez on Twitter,
go follow you on there. Anythingelse that you want to plug?
Uh, you know what that's all? Well? Um on YouTube. If
you find me like the loo Perezyou can find me on YouTube. I'm
starting from scratch, you know,building up a channel over there. So

(55:22):
if you come over and subscribe tome, much appreciated. Yeah, I
mean we're we're It's kind of funnyhow how many career similarities we're at.
We're both guys in our you know, middle to late thirties. Who are
going I guess I'll get on thatYouTube now. Yeah, man, get
on YouTube train right now. Let'sget on this locals. We'll get on
YouTube. You know, we're gonnamake something of ourselves, you know,

(55:43):
will you way h