WAKE UP CALL #5 w/Karlyn Borysenko

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Yeah, you are called first doctor. How does that feel? Yeah,

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but I'm not that kind of doctor. I'm not that kind. You don't
know what kind I meant. Butbut for the people that are watching,
what kind of doctor are you?Please be the fun kind? I'm well,
I do try to be the funkind. Um, I'm a psychologist,
so I can. I can.I can do things like profile you
and and you know, get inyour brain and really really needle you if

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you if you make me mad.We used to just call that women.
You know, some women are betterat it than others. A PhD and
being a lady, that's what it's. Well, the cool thing about you
I kind of came across you,I think a year ago, you know,
And and it's this weird thing aboutthat. I don't think we talk

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about this enough. Is kind oflike the cool thing about cancel culture.
And if you're somebody who's lucky enoughto have been sort of canceled in some
capacity and entertainment or academia or it'ssomewhere in the media that it sort of
pushes you to like, well,who else has gone through this or who
else has experienced this side of ourculture? And what are they doing about

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it or how is it affecting theirlives, And then you start to discover
all of these other interesting people whohave had their brushes with how our culture
is drastically changing. I mean,for the people that are watching, tell
tell a little bit about how youcame into this whole world of you know,
people used to refer to this asthe intellectual dark Web. And I

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think that Moniker has kind of goneaway, right, you know, I'm
almost kind of thankful that the Monikeris going away. I was never quite
the biggest fan of that Moniker,but no, I came into this world
honestly, completely by accident. Thiswas not a part of my life plan
in any way, shape or form. So it actually my story kind of
started actually almost two years ago,where I'm a knitter. Obviously I have

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all my knitted beauties right here andeverything in the background. I'm sin I'm
just like, man, that lookscool, that looks cool, Like I
got some good ones? Yeah,I see that well. But so one
of the places that you show ifyou're knitting in the knitting community is on
Instagram. Right, It's like thebest place to connect with other knittis.
You can see what other people areworking on. Well. A couple of
years ago, social justice started takingover my knitting community and it went from

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being this nice, quiet community wherewe can just look at eat pictures of
each other's projects and like, I'lldo all that stuff too, like everyone
basically being on guard all the timefor where the roving mob of social justice
warriors we're going to try to cancelnext? And this sounds funny like every
time I bring it up, likethis happened in knitting. Come on,
like the knittors and this, like, but yes, the knitters did this,

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and you know, I mean,think back to the the Women's March
the day after Trump got inaugurated intwenty twenty seventeen. Right were they wearing
world It was a big day becauseeveryone was wearing the pussy hats, right,
the knitters made the pussy hats soum so. A couple of years
ago, this roving band of socialjustice warriors, and I'm not talking like

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a couple of people, I'm talkinglike hundreds of people started going around to
businesses in the knitting community basically makingdemands that they say certain things and if
if they refused, they destroyed theirbusinesses and they mobbed them and bullied them
in really awful ways. And itwas so surreal to watch this happen because
I couldn't even figure out what wasgoing on. I was like, all
of a sudden, we're not allowedto say what anymore. It was just

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I was I had no idea anyof this was going on, and so
it got really bad. And um, I did my doctoral dissertation about workplace
bullying and how people cope with beingthe target of workplace bullying, so I
know what bullying looks like. Istudied it for ten years. I know
what bullying looks like. And Iwas watching this happening going the knitters are
bullying and mobbing each other, likewhat is going on? And so we're

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supposed to be the least aggressive people, right exactly. The knitting community is
intended to be one of peace andharmony. It's it's supposed to be a
meditative hobby. It's supposed to befor your mental health and wellbeing and you
get to make pretty things. Andno, it was it got really really
toxic, to the point where oneguy actually went into the hospital on suicide

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watch because he bullied and mobs sobadly. And thankfully He's fine today to
crochet his wrists almost well, youknow it, it'll be beautiful, but
I will do it. Hey,man, you don't screw around with people
who carry around sharp metal needles intheir purses, all right, okay,
kidding Those things are no joke.No. But so when I was watching

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this happening, essentially, like Istarted, at some point, I realized
that I was a Democrat for twentyyears, and at some point I realized
that these were people I politically alignedmyself with, and that that created a
lot of cognitive dissonance for me.Because I'm very anti bullying. I think
everyone should be, you know,treated like human beings. I know it's
a foreign concept for a lot ofpeople, a nuanced approach that I know,

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and even you check this out.I even think you should treat people
who disagree with you like human beings. Oh my god, how dare you
know? I know? How dareI I know? You know? Some
people, some people I don't knowif they're deserving of human kindness. No,
well, I mean, certainly theKnitters didn't feel that way. But
essentially, when I realized that thesewere people on the political left, and

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I was like, I don't likethese people. I don't have the same
values as these people. What isgoing on? And so it started me
on this journey of I started listeningto voices I thought I would disagree with,
to kind of challenge myself to maybemaybe I'm not who I think I
am. Maybe I'm not a lotyeah place yeah well And even so,
like I, you know, Ihad really turned my brain off to politics.

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As soon as Obama got elected,I turned my brain off. I
was like, Okay, I thinkAmerica did. I think we all did.
I think we kind of felt like, okay, we've got a you
know. The one thing that Ithink is undeniable about Obama was that he
absolutely projected competency in the position exactly. I think a lot of us just
sort of fell asleep at the wheel. Like I don't ever remember going through

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his time as president and ever havingoutrage about anything about sort of like oh
well this is you know, thislegislation is bad or this thing is wrong
or this thing. You know,there was just sort of this calming.
It was almost like we drank ourwarm milk and were slowly slipping to sleep.
Right, That was exactly what happened. And like as soon as he

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got elected. And I was reallyinto politics during W I was like I
was, I hated W. Iwas mounting off about him all the time.
I was following everything closely. Thenas soon as Obama got elected,
my brain shut off. And sowhen Trump got elected, like, I
was shocked. I did not seeit coming at all in any way,
but I wasn't I didn't go crazyabout it. I was kind of like,
well, this kind of sucks,but this is not the end of

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the world. And I don't knowwhat age bracket you've fallen. I graduated
in two thousand and one, andso literally, like my graduating class finished
school in June, and nine toeleven happened in September, and so almost
all of the guys I went toschool with and girls who were like,
we're going to go to the militaryand get free college, they all ended

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up getting deployed. And so Iwas, you know, maybe the last
generation of young people who were calledinto war. Wow, And so you
know that was that obviously kind ofchanged my perspective on Bush at that time
too, because I was like,yoh, we don't I don't, I
mean, we all agree. Nineto eleven was bad. But we don't
need to be over there again,right, like we just didn't ten years

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ago. What are we doing?Well, it's funny that you say that,
because I was. I was actuallyin college when nine to eleven happened,
so we're not really that far apartin terms of age. I remember
I went to college in Boston protestingthe Iraq War on the Boston Common and
then being called un American for protestingthe works. I didn't think we should
be over there. Yeah, Butso you know, Trump got elected and
I really wasn't. I wasn't.I thought it was I thought it sucked,

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but I didn't. I wasn't reallythat concerned about it. Like my
friends went crazy though, they theylay like jumped off the crazy train.
But I was just doing other stuff, so I wasn't really paying attention to
what was going on. So thereis a side of me who's a little
bit of a sadist. I thinkyou have to be to be a stand
up comedian. Oh, I betthere was a part of me where and
if you go back and watch theComedy Store in LA they had like they

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called at the End of the Worldpodcast and had a bunch of famous comedians
on stage while the twenty sixteen electionwas happening, and Bill Burr was kind
of sitting off to the side andhe was like, I felt like he
was every male comics energy of like, this isn't gonna happen, is it?
Because that election had so become abouteverything but politics. It was about

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like the first woman president. Andliterally all day it was like female celebrities
popping champagne, like at two PM. And the part of me that's like
a sports fan who hates cocky sportsfans who were like, yeah, we
got this into bag. And thenit's like, yeah, and any given
day that underdog team could come outof nowhere and steal your dreams. And

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so the sports fan of me andI think this was kind of driving Bill
was like, oh, this isan upset, like and so you start
rooting for just the upset because ofthe cocky you know, we'll call them
the patriots fans of politics. We'relike, oh, we'll yeah, we
got this championship in the bag,first woman president. You know, Lena
Dunham's drinking champagne with Amy Schumer threein the afternoon. You're going like,

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this ain't looking good. And Iremember I remember when I had I had
a gut feeling that that was goingto happen. We were filming when I
did the Food Network show. Wewere in our first season filming, and
we were we had just pulled intoNashville for another block of episodes. So
we filmed our first three episodes,which were Philly, my hometown, Baltimore,

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and West Virginia, and then oursecond block was Nashville, Louisville,
Cincinnati, And we had just pulledinto the hotel in Nashville, and my
whole crew was in the lobby watchingthat first presidential debate between Trump and Hillary,
and there was a moment in thatdebate where she was like, I
wasn't I couldn't tell you about thatbecause I was busy preparing to be the

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president of the United States and likewinking to camera, And I remember looking
at the hotel lobby guys like totalNashville and was like and I looked at
my crew and I was like,I think she just lost this election.
I think she she literally just toldthe American public that I've already got this
in the bag, and I gotany sort of underdog sports person is gonna

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go I'm just gonna protest and votefor that guy because I don't like her.
And so I think that's set inmotion the chain of events of like
the the spoiler vote, where peopleare just like, I'll vote for the
the upset person regardless of my politics. You know. Well, and I
mean and thank god they did.But like, even even when I was

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a Democrat in twenty sixteen, Ididn't like Hillary. I had to,
I really, but he did.I had to work my way up to
voting for Hillary. I was like, okay, lifetime of public service,
first woman president whatever. I hatedthe woman. I did not want to
vote for her. And there wasa period of time where I was like,
no, I'm not going to doit. But then, of course
all my lefty friends were like,Carlin, if you don't vote for Hillary,

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you're voting for Trump. But Iwas like, ah, it was.
It was bad, but you know, I mean, like I didn't
think it was like an urgency situationwith Trump. I really I've had like
a lot of humor in Trump.I was like, if I'm gonna if
I have to endure four years orthis, at least I'm gonna laugh because
he's gonna do a lot of stupidstuff. Well and and and arguably in
retrospect, I just looked at itand I was like, Okay, well,

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I'm sure people felt this way whenReagan got in, because our generation
really only knew Reagan as president andnot as an actor. And so you
know, I was like, I'msure when that happened there was a portion
of the populace he was like,this is a disaster. This man's an
actor. And then you know,he's regarded as a pretty pretty good president
in terms of our history. Soum, you know, I guess it

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depends on who you talk to.But I didn't have that sense of panic
either. There was originally like themister burns chaosity. Yes, so many
people hate this, uh and thenand then but you know, I like
watched his thing, and I andthe other thing that always comforts me in
situations like when Trump got elected,is, um, what is the motivation?

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And and you hear people say thingsall the time like follow the money,
right, And so for me,I was a little at ease because
I was like, well, thisguy's already a billionaire, right, or
at least a multimillionaire, So he'snot doing this to get rich. He
was already rich. So maybe theguy is truly trying to disrupt politics.

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And so I didn't vote for him. In twenty sixteen, I voted for
Gary Johnson because I like winners,uh and uh, and I also don't
Actually the fact that he didn't knowwhat Aleppo was was reassuring to me.
I was like, Wow, thismight be the first president that doesn't try
to bomb a place he doesn't evenknow where they are. Um. And
so I was I was a bigtime Johnson guy in sixteen, but I

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kind of slowly got on the Trumptrain of like, all right, this
person's at least not a career politician. That's a that's good. Maybe we
can build off of that. Andyou know, and then you started seeing
some of the things he was doingpolitically and and and then started talking about
the things that the previous administration haddone that you know, as we mentioned
earlier, like I felt asleep forYeah, I was like, oh,

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I didn't know that. I didn'tknow Obama had drone strike the most you
know, the most cities or whateverplaces in the Middle East. Had no
idea about those numbers. I hadno idea about so many other things that
we sort of just weren't told becausethe mainstream media didn't want to tell us
about it, right, And well, I knew. I knew about to
do deportations because like I was,I'm married to an immigrant and we had

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to go through a whole four yearRinghamar role to get him a green card
and like him not being deported inall this crap. So I knew about
that, but it was like itwas almost like at the time, it
was like I disassociated it with whatwas going on with me. I was
like, oh, I'm not marriedtoo, I'm not this sounds horrible.
I said, I'm not married toa Mexican or a Muslim. He's gonna
be fine. He's like, that'swhat Ukrainian like, Bob was not going

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to deport him. And so Ireally had not connected two and two in
my head. But so so Trumpgets into office, all of my friends
go crazy, the knitting world goescrazy. And then at some point I
was like, this is like I'meven if I'm a little bit like of
a lefty, I'm really uncomfortable withthe way all of this is going.
And so yeah, I started justlike I'm getting into like the YouTube's and

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I always thought YouTube was stupid,to be honest. My husband one day,
though, he was like, Carlin, maybe you should try listening to
Ben Shapiro. You'd like Ben Shapiro. And I was like, no,
Victor, Ben Shapiro is satan.And I was really resistant to it.
But eventually, like when he's gothorns on that little cap, you see,
it does. But eventually my husbandleft the house one day and so
I locked the doors and pulled allthe shades and you know, watched Ben

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Shapiro where no one could see medoing it, and I found out like
he's really actually not saying he justhas different ideas than me, but he's
like he's not crazy, He's notgoing to kill anyone. So I basically
went on this whole cole, Imean, months long journey of listening to
people deliberately that I thought I woulddisagree with to find that I really didn't
disagree with them. And this wasall happening as as the Democratic primary in

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New Hampshire was kind of was kindof like kicking it, like they were
all the politicians were running around everywherein New Hampshire, and so I was
going to all these events and Iwas listening to I saw every single Democratic
candidate for president in person at onepoint or another. And then the day
before the New Hampshire primary, DonaldTrump's come into town and it's going to
do a rally, and I thought, well, this will be like my

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big graduation exercises, to go tothe Trump rally and to see if I
can survive a Trump rally. AndI had no idea what to expect,
but I went. I had agreat time. I mean, Trump rallies
are awesome, They're fun. AndI came home and the next day I
voted in the New Hampshire primary forpeople to judge of all people who I
wouldn't vote for today, but that'swho I decided to vote for back then

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for many reasons. But so Ivoted in the primary. And then I
came home and I wrote an articleabout being a Democrat that went to a
Trump rally, posted it on Medium, thinking no one would ever read it,
and the medium is a place foronly intellectuals who read. Yeah,
well I but I was like,I didn't because I had been posting a
medium for a while, and like, I didn't think anyone was ever going
to be interested in this, andlo and behold. They went viral on

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the internet and like like three millionviews in like a week, and you
know, it was one of thosethings that, like it was this could
not have been less of a planfor me, because I kind of got
booted out of the closet as someonewho was questioning their lefty political beliefs.
And isn't it so funny that,you know, like you used that phraseology
of like booted out of the closetand ultimately sort of you were outed for

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being a rational, open minded personthat was just willing to look at something
that you normally wouldn't. Well,yeah, I mean that that you might
look at it that way. Myfriends looked at it like I'm betraying the
faith right against the church. Andit was like all of a sudden,
like I had like hit pieces writtenabout me in the media, like was

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she ever really a democrat? Iremember when that happened and reading that and
being like, um, I'm prettysure she was like like have you seen
my haircut? Like they don't issuethose, they don't issue those on the
right side, you know, no, no, So it was just like
it was one of those things thatlike, all of a sudden I had
people attacking my business, which hasnothing to do with politics. I had

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people leaving negative reviews on a bookthat I wrote that has nothing to do
with politics. And it was likeI started at losing clients for going to
a Trump rally and writing an articlesaying that they aren't Nazis and we should
stop calling them bad names. Likeit was just the most bizarre experience of
my life. So look at thesethings, and it's like even the way

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the news covers it. They'll showthey'll show like a Trump rally, and
they'll show like the Proud Boys,or they'll show Patriot prayer. They'll show
these people, and they don't showme Ma and her husband, you know,
who have owned the same small businesslike dog rooming for forty years,
and they're just like, yeah,man, like we're patriots. My husband's
a veteran and we've always been Republicans. But you know, most of the

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people that I know that voted forTrump are entrepreneurial in some way. And
I should rephrase that twenty sixteen Trumpvoters were sort of entrepreneurial in some way.
And at the time, like Isaid, we were filming the Food
Network show. Most of those peoplewere like, man, we love this
Trump guy. He's a businessman.He's not a politician. You know,

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he's gonna, you know, approachedthings that from the same perspective we would
as entrepreneurs and business people, andnot of that that of a career politician.
I mean, the man gave people. I think the man gave people
who really were kind of still pursuingthe American dream a bit of hope in
the way that I think Obama provideda different kind of hope in two thousand

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and eight and two twelve. Ithink for him it was and this is
why it always made me laugh whenpeople were shocked that he got elected ago.
This man has been the poster childfor the American dream for fifty years.
I'm pretty sure every video that youwatch in school in other countries about
America Donald Trump. Oh yes,this billionaire playboy dates supermodels, runs beauty

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pageants, has end businesses, doeswhatever he wants. He was the first
guy in the world who publicly hadfuck you money. Yeah, and and
so like you can't show that.And I don't know how old your husband
is as an immigrant, but Iwould imagine like, like, um,
my girlfriend's family were also immigrants,and we've been together for nine years,

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so we're kind of like de factomarried. We are. Yeah, we're
still a thing in California. That'sa hate crime. I think caught me.
A concept of common law marriage isbasically human trafficking. But in the
in the People's Republic of California.So but um, everybody who is from
other countries or came around their countriesdoesn't look at Donald Trump as as evil,

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corrupt businessman. They look at himas a dude on a fucking jet
ski live in the dream. Andso um, when people go, you
know, oh, I don't knowhow he got in, I go,
We've literally he's been the billboard forAmerica for fifty years. You thought that
guy wasn't going to get in.M Well, And that's another good point
too, because I remember when thetax cut passed and all of my friends

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were complaining about this tax cut there, like it's not going to help people.
I was like, I did prettywell with that tax cut. Like
my business is an LLC six percentto twenty one percent, it's monumental.
That was amazing, Like it savedme so much money. My husband got
a giant bonus from his company.I was like, we made out pretty
good. And it was funny becauseyou're not millionaires or no, not at

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all. But it was like Ihad to actually pretend among my friends at
that time. I had to pretendthe tax cut was a bad thing.
And I was like, yes,it's horrible, it's hurting so many people.
Was like, no, it reallydidn't hurt me at all. I
was like really pretty pleased with it. Pretty dope to be honest with you.
Yeah, well, and you kindof again another thing that you're kind
of like I said, we wereasleep for a lot of things during the
Obama period. I mean through thattime, you start to think, oh,

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well, I'm not of the rich, so tax cuts really don't you
know, benefit me, And thenall of a sudden you start looking at
who tax cuts in particularly small businesstax cuts effected you, and then you
go, oh, this definitely affectsme. Oh yeah, I had at
the time in twenty sixteen, Ihad two LLC's and so when when that
came through, I was like,oh my god. I literally like this

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is fifteen percent more money that Iget to keep and reinvest in my business,
which you know, like when you'rein entertainment or in media of any
kind. It's like that if youdon't, if I don't fifteen percent of
my money back into marketing, Ijust grew my business. Oh yeah,
twenty percent. And what people neverreally understand, you know, this is
like street economics, basic the basiceconomics, one on one. But it's

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like if I can, if Ican get a little bit more, keep
a little bit more of my revenueand use it to drive my top line
revenue, the very next thing I'lldo is build a team, like I
will hire more people and create becomea job creator because now I can invest
in people that can also grow mybusiness. Yeah. It's like you know,

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spending a certain amount of money onads in a week to drive traffic
up to like locals, which we'lltalk about it a little bit. You
know, that is significant in gettingpeople over to this community, to our
communities and stuff. And so fifteenpercent is the difference between in a year,
a two thousand dollar AD spend anda four thousand dollars AD spends or

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more, I mean arguability. Youknow, if I were to take the
entire thing and put it towards thatspends two thousand to like six thousand at
the end of the year. Andthat could be the difference between doubling my
business, tripling my business, andbeing able to hire somebody and then that
person also can come in and doublemy business and triple my business. And
so like people don't understand is thatwhen you think about those tax cuts,
and they call them tax cuts forthe rich, it's like, yeah,

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but it also gives people the abilityto become rich because I now have resources
to invest in yourself and invest inyour business. Well, and I'll tell
you what too. Like what Iheard from a lot of people is like
Carl, and not everyone, noteveryone can form an LLC and do that.
I was like, you, allyou need to do to form an
LLC is fill out a form.It's not even like a hard form to
fill out. It's play. Andwith legal Zoom they've made it. They're

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not a sponsor, by the way, but with legal Zoom they I think
we're the only podcast they don't sponsor. But you know, services like that
make it almost idiot proof. It'slike, yeah, a survey, that's
it. Like it's like for inNew m here, it's like a one
page four I checked a couple ofboxes boom, I've got an LLC.
I can run all my revenue throughthere, which is smart to do anyway.

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So it's not like these are notthings that are out of reach for
the average everyday person. And it'sjust a matter of, like if you
want to take advantage of them ornot. And I you know, one
of the things that I think isso sad is to like, I mean
varying a little off the topic,but you know, we just had an
entire year where so many people losttheir jobs but had enhanced an employement.
Yeah, but at the same time, for a lot of people, and
especially people who are taking advantage oflike the extra six hundred dollars a week

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or for however long, like thatwas time that they had that they could
have built a side hustle or builta business, or have done something with
it. And I really wish thatmore emphasis have been put on that because
it would have been a huge opportunityfor so many people who were scared.
I think that having a side hustle, having your own business is the only
way you ever have security and anything. I mean, and people, you
know, people look at this acouple of different ways, Like trolls will

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look at this like, oh,you know, you must not have had
any success with your show. Buteven when I had my television show,
we would film two weeks and thenwe would have two weeks off, and
then we would come back and filmtwo weeks. We have two weeks off.
I was coming home and uber drivingin the two weeks off. On
the side of having a television show, a you know, a top ten

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Friday night cable TV show, whichby the way, doesn't pay what it
did in the eighties and nights,you know, but it was like I
looked at it as saying, okay, let's It was sort of like the
Jay Leno mentality. I don't knowif you ever ever heard him talk about
not cashing his tonight show checks,but he made it a point to continue
doing stand up. So he wouldliterally film in Burbank like four in the

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afternoon when they would do the Tonightshow, and then he would jump on
a plane and go to Vegas andhad a residency in Vegas and would fly
private jet over there do shows.And he made enough money doing stand up
over those years that he never hadto spend tonight show money to buy homes
or anything else. Literally put thatmoney away, and I'm assuming that's what

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he used to fund his love ofcars and that he has giant warehouses full
of cars here in Burbank or inthe valley. But you know, he
was kind of like always he eventhe man hosting the Tonight Show for thirty
years or twenty years or however longhe did. It was like I have
a second job, Like I kepta second job, and so in my
mind, I was like, Okay, if I didn't have a TV show,

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I'd have to be driving uber tomake to make ends mean anyway,
So why don't I keep paying mybills with that and put my you know,
my show money away and try toreinvest that in my career in some
way. And then eventually, youknow, you get lazy, or I
got lazy and started to work less, and you know, you start thinking
like, oh, this is goingto continue to go and the money's going

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to get better, and so I'llbe fine. But you know, imagine
if I had taken your advice andnot fallen off working my day job at
all at that time, kept allthat money and then and then took the
time to learn about digital marketing theway that I should have back then and
could have grown my viewership and fanbase and everything so much exponentially greater.

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You know, just by doing that, I will say, out of this
pandemic. The thing that it haskind of forced me to do is to
start answering some of those questions thatI would let be unanswered to prevent me
from moving forward in something. Andso, like I said a minute ago,
I should have back then took thatmoney and learned about digital media and
web marketing and things like that,so that I could have grown my fan

(28:00):
base, grown like gone out andtargeted, bought ads that targeted people that
watched other Food network shows, gotthem interested in my show, got them
interested in my comedy. I knewnothing about that. And I spent a
little time at the beginning of thisyear working for a friend's digital agency ad
agency and learned a lot about mediabuys and those types of things, and

(28:21):
I thought, God, you know, this little bit of information, it's
going to revolutionize how I approached mybusiness as a comedian and entertainer a personality.
And then I just started snowball andbeing like, let me find out
all these other things. And soin terms of like producing content, I
was like let me figure out howto edit my own video, let me
figure out how to do my owndesign and graphic design and things like that.

(28:42):
So it was like just answering thosequestions that prevent you from improving your
life, I think is a hugebarrier for people. And I've now looked
at this last six months and said, no, no, no, I'm
not going to take this shutdown timelightly. Now I'm gonna take you know,
like you said, I'm gonna takethat extra unemployment money whatever is coming

(29:04):
in stimulus and try to invest itin myself from a business perspective, and
then try to build a pirate shipthat is uncancellable money wise, right,
absolutely, And that's what I hadto do as well, because you know,
after you know, my when whenmy original article came out and all
of a sudden hit the fan backwhen the nid hit the fa Yes,

(29:26):
exactly. But that was about amonth month and a half before the lockdown
started, and so I had alreadyat that point, like my my business
um is organizational training, corporate training, that sort of thing, and so
I had actually already booked out enoughbusiness for twenty twenty that it was going
to pay. Like the business Ihad booked out for one month, was
going to fund my business for thewhole rest of the year, and instantly,

(29:51):
between cancel Culture and COVID, almostall of my business got wiped out.
Revenue went completely away because all ofmy stuff was in person, right,
was like in person trainings or facilitationsor keynotes, and all of a
sudden that wasn't happening anymore. Andso I really and I think what you
were really talking about and what I'msaying in terms of like taking advantage of
the time, is it's also aboutmaking sure you're taking advantage of opportunities that

(30:15):
come your way. So yeah,my business kind of got screwed with a
couple of different factors. But atthe same time, all of a sudden,
I had this audience that I alreadyhad. I accidentally got thousands of
subscribers to this YouTube channel I hadjust started a couple of weeks prior,
and I was like, Okay,let me turn on my webcam and figure
this thing out and just talk aboutthings that I'm interested in. And I

(30:36):
had started the channel as a wayto talk about like workplace stuff, because
that's, you know, my profession. But I just started talking about politics
and what I thought about issues,and all of a sudden I had all
these more subscribers, and then Icould monetize it, and then I could
get on locals and I could dothat as well. And so I think
it's like, none of this isrocket science, but it just takes.
It takes getting up and taking advantageof opportunities and frankly working, yeah,

(30:57):
not being afraid to work. Well, there's a great book. I don't
know if you've ever read it.It's very popular with comedians and filmmakers and
stuff called The War of Art.And it's written it's like a little paperback
book. It's one hundred pages arestill but it's written by the guy who
wrote the movie Legend a Bag orAdvance, and the book centers around um,

(31:18):
you know how A lot of timesthe reason artists around successful is because
they don't treat their career as anartist like a business. They don't they
don't wake up at a certain timeof the day, they don't invest,
they don't have a schedule. Theydon't like say, okay, i'm if
I'm a screenwriter. My job isto write from eight am to two pm
every day without question and treat itlike if I don't show up, I'm

(31:41):
going to get written up and I'mgoing to get fired, like and so
it's a it's you know, it'snot it's not a heavy concept by any
means, but I do think it'sone that a lot of people, um
in our positions, can fall victimto, particularly you know, oh,
you know, I'll sleep in todayor I'll worry about that tomorrow, our
work on the next day. Andit's like, if you owned a shop,

(32:02):
you wouldn't just assume that it's okayto not go there and open up
the door and be open. Andso, you know, I think that's
kind of the trick, and particularlya trick for me because I worked in
corporate America for many years before Igot you know, I was able to
shift and do comedy full time.Comedy was a hobby for me from two
thousand and six until twenty thirteen.The first time I kind of dealt with

(32:27):
being canceled in the workplace. Intwenty thirteen, I was recruited by a
company to be an executive. Wentthere, had a great like first ninety
days. We go to meetings inChicago, where the company was based,
and I find out that they arebreaking the law in how they administrate their
corporate benefits. So basically they recruitedme saying, listen, we'll pay your

(32:51):
domestic partners healthcare premiums as well.And they didn't say domestic partner, they
said spouse. But in California atthe time, this is pre uni versaal
marriage equality, so this is twentythirteen, and I thought, well,
that's obviously also my domestic partner becausethat's the law in California. I find
out that they're not doing that,I raised that concern to HR and say,

(33:13):
not only am I personally affected bythis, and it sort of taints
how you recruited me, because that'sa big financial piece, but also if
I start bringing on managers, andI had two game managers that had worked
for me another company that were amazingmanagers and I thought would have been a
good fit for this business that Ihad shifted to. I was like,

(33:36):
these guys know their rights and they'llfucking sue us too, so we have
to get this under control. Anda week after I had that conversation to
corporate office, they called me.My boss called me into his office for
a conference call in Phoenix and thelike head of HR and like, strangely
enough, a guy who was likethe head of another department like risk management

(34:00):
or something fired me over the phoneand they said that was because of my
career as a comedian. My side. Wow, I was like, well,
this is clear cut whistleblower retaliation.Like I told you guys, you're
breaking the law and it happens toaffect me and now my comedy is a
problem. So I obviously sued thatcompany in twenty thirteen. We settled outpoured

(34:21):
a little over a year later.That was my first brush up with this
idea of like, oh, theirworkplaces out there that will literally just fire
you because you publicly have opinions orperspectives that they disagree with. Oh it's
even worse than that. I mean, the things that I've seen corporations fire
people over. It is ridiculous.They will fire you for almost anything,

(34:43):
and it's never the people who areyou know, the people that the type
of people that organizations want. They'rethe mediocre people. And I hate to
put it in that terms, butlike mediocre people, they don't cause problems.
They don't speak up, they don'tthey don't push back against the boss.
Those types of people do very wellin corporate America. But if you
are someone that is driven, anentrepreneurial and you have ideas and you want

(35:04):
to try to do things differently,you are most of the time not going
to Unless you have a really goodfit with your boss or your company,
or you've got some dirt on theCEO, you're going to have a really
hard time in corporate America. Honestlytrue. Well, going back, I
started to get into this, butgoing back to what you said about like
not wasting a sort of opportunity ofthe pandemic, I went through this with

(35:24):
one of the companies I worked for. So I worked for. I was
one of the very first people hiredat Crocs Shoes. I was a digital
at twenty three years old. Iwas a district manager for Hollywood Video,
and all of my bosses and everybodyhad gotten had gotten recruited. So the

(35:44):
guy who kind of made me adistrict man. I was twenty one when
I became a district manager, andwhen I got when I got promoted,
I had mentors through my whole timeat Hollywood. So, like you said,
really the only way you can kindof climb the corporate ladders, either
by being a great yes man,or if you have a real, genuinely
good boss who cares about you,cares about developing you, understands the value

(36:08):
of developing other people and building relationships. And I got very, very lucky
with that at an early age.So I had two mentors, a guy
named Bob and a guy named Rob. We used to call them the Bob's
after office space, which was kindof fun. But they kind of carried
me through my career, and theywent to Crocs shortly after the IPO to

(36:29):
build their retail division. Took meover. I got a bunch of stock
options and stuff at twenty three,but the company almost went under in two
thousand and nine when the first housingcrisis happened, and at the same time,
because Crocs had been a stock thathad performed very well, but people
always had this idea of like,well, this is a fat it's going
to die, so get your moneyout when you can. A lot of

(36:52):
people took their winnings from Crocs tocover their losses in real estate and other
things. And too, even thoughthe company was like winning quarter over quarter,
we were getting creamed in the stockmarket because everybody was expecting it to
fall, pulled all of their moneyout and used it to cover their losses

(37:13):
in some of these other places thatreally were getting hammered, and so we
were sort of like a collateral damageto the economic crisis, despite the fact
that the company was continuously performing well. So my bosses at the time,
we're like, listen, a recessionis a terrible thing to waste. We
have to pivot with the way we'rerunning the business. We can't be seventy

(37:34):
percent wholesale. We have to becomeseventy percent retail. So they went out
and you took advantage of this horriblereal estate market. Commercial It was as
bad as residential in two thousand andnine, and we started signing leases for
massive outlet locations and oh, yeah, I have one of those right down
the street from my house. Yeah, it was a Crocs outlet. There

(37:55):
is a Crocs outlet right down thestreet from my house. Yeah, well
there used to be one of theflagship stores used to be there in Faniel
Hall too. Yeah, I rememberthat. Actually, I don't know if
it still it's probably not. It'sbeen many years. I mean, this
is two thousand. This was twothousand and six when I joined the company,
and then i'd left for a bitand came back in two thousand and
nine, and then this was kindof our strategy. And so in a

(38:19):
year's time they were signed, likewe were building locations for fifty grand and
making two hundred and fifty thousand dollarsa month, you know, once these
locations were open, and so itwas sort of like go go go.
It was like it was in twothousand and six when I had first joined
the company. So, you know, going back to what you said about
not wasting the pandemic, I gotthat lesson early on in the corporate world,

(38:43):
and it took me a little bitto kind of apply it to my
personal life to say, wait aminute, there there is low hanging fruit
here. And for us in twothousand and nine at CROCS, it was
the real estate piece was like wecan get in, we can just be
in a million doors, and weopened something like one hundred and fifty outlets
that year. And if it weren'tfor the high margin revenue we generated from

(39:05):
those retail outlets, the company wouldhave gone under in two thousand and nine
completely, like wouldn't exist. Anduh and so we basically turned that whole
company around, and then they slowlyreplaced everybody that was responsible because of course
they did. Yeah. You know, if it ain't broke, let's tak
her with it until it is,and then we'll blame the people who didn't

(39:27):
break it for the fact that webroke it. Um, which is you
know, we could do a wholeother episode. Oh I could. I
could ramp for days about the dumbdecisions organizations make, I'll tell you what.
But but I think like average everyday people need to need to hear
this stuff too, because you canmake money doing almost anything. Yeah,
any anyone can create a slide hustle, shout out, but only fans.

(39:50):
Yeah, well I'm not going downthere. I mean, hey, that's
your thing, man. But butlike I mean the chagrin of many of
my gay fans, it's not ohI'm sure, yeah, um, But
like everage every day people can dothis stuff, right, It's like,
what are you interested in? Whatare you passionate about? Well, go
do a thing, start a YouTubechannel, start start just selling, selling

(40:12):
your wares, whatever that might be. But like that's something I've really tried
to hammer home to to anyone whowill listen to me, is like,
take advantage of the opportunity that youhave, like the blessing of time right
now, because time is the mostvaluable thing. Money is not the most
valuable thing in the world. Timeis the most valuable thing in the world.
If you have time, you cancreate money. So true, so

(40:32):
true. And and I don't knowif you did you go through this time
when you were kind of making thisshift into sort of becoming a personality,
if you will, where you sortof feel like, man, why why
is this catching fire for me?Like I don't feel special or you're sort
of way or yes, you knowwe in comedy we call that imposter syndrome.

(40:52):
But I think everybody kind of dealswith that when they start having success
in a space maybe they didn't planto. Well, yeah, that absolutely
happened for me. And to bereally honest, that's still like still to
this day, I'm like, isthis my life? Like what am I
even doing? Like I have noidea what I'm doing on a daily basis,
And I have no idea why youknow, my YouTube channel grew so

(41:12):
quickly or my locals grew so quicklywhen I think there are like so many
other people that are much better andmuch smarter about this stuff than I am.
And to be honest, like Ifelt really guilty for a long time
because there were people that helped mealong the way, and then all of
a sudden, like my stuff wasgrowing so much quicker than them, and
I felt so bad. And Iwas like, you know that that was
something that really inhibited me for awhile in terms of like going at it

(41:37):
as strongly as I could, becauseI was like, I don't want Yeah,
no, that's exactly what it was. And I was like, things
are going really well for me,but oh my god, like these people
are so much better than me,and I think, um, you know,
I and again, like I Inever wanted to be a public person,
so this is still a very oddthing for me to be playing in.
But I also believe that there's apurpose for all of this. I

(42:00):
know my story inspires a lot ofpeople and gives a lot of people hope.
And you know, I've you know, I've spent my career trying to
figure out how I can be ofservice to others and if just showing up
and saying what I think and doingit in an unapologetic way helps other people.
Then you know, there's almost likeI don't want to I don't want
to sound like I'm a martyr tothis, but I feel like there's an

(42:20):
obligation to do it. I agreewith you. I mean, it's it's
sort of like, um, it'ssort of like being called into service and
being willing to answer the call.And so I think that's one of the
things that's sort of admirable about you, is that you answered the call like
being somebody who was compelled by thissort of curiosity to go see what the
Trump stuff was all about, andthen have the humility to go on,

(42:45):
you know, And this is againjust there's a way to spin it right
where a lot of the people whotried to cancel you wouldn't see it this
way. But to have the humilityto go on and go I was wrong
about a lot of these people.And if you think like I did,
you were probably wrong too. Andit's amazing to me that you built this
empire out of being able to admitthat you were wrong about something, you

(43:06):
know what I mean. And yeah, and then immediately like and I think
so many people on the right now, and this is what's so frustrating about
the way that the media is coveringthe right is because they try to make
everybody sound like extremist, and thathas only gotten worse since twenty six Oh
god, I think ninety of thepeople I talked to that are in the
world of locals, or even justin the world of kind of creating this

(43:29):
anti official narrative content, which we'llcall it not intellectual dark web, but
sort of anti narrative, anti youknow, state sponsored propaganda content, This
sort of protests content has that mentalityof like I didn't I didn't walk over
here so much as I felt likeI was pushed over here. I mean,

(43:50):
I know, um, the walkAway campaign is a big, big
part of that, right And areyou you're involved with walk Away too,
right? I am. I actuallyspent the higher back half of twenty twenty
traveling around the country with Brandon Strok, Shimika, Michelle, Mikey Harlowe and
there were many other speakers along theway, but we did rallies all over
the country in blue areas to tryto um. Basically, it was a

(44:13):
protest originally against the COVID lockdowns,and we thought that it was just kind
of insane that you know, everythingin the country had stopped, and it
was something that we were very muchagainst because we believe that people should be
able to make their own choices.And so yeah, I'm very do you
believe that was politically motivated? Andin fact, at the beginning of the
year, and this was like Ididn't become a Trump supporter really until like

(44:36):
the second half of the year whenhe signed the executive order against critical race
theory. I was like, Okay, I'm now on board with Trump.
I'm on the Trump train. Whatever. Well as somebody who you know,
who's doing like trainings for businesses,that kind of shit has to be a
nightmare to be Wow, this basicallyerases any merit based you know, incentive
programs I've been training, any coachingthings I've been teaching, Like, you're

(45:00):
basically erasing the last thirty years ofbusiness development. Well, and that actually,
and that was actually another factor inwhy I kind of had like a
lot of my stuff got canceled becauselike after George Floyd, what my big
training was around different communication styles andwouldn't you know it, treating people like
individuals regardless of the color of theirskin or their gender or anything like that.

(45:21):
But understanding different communication styles and howto work well with people. Well
after George Floyd, that all wentaway, and then the only thing that
people were investing in was this stupidcritical race theory training. And I absolutely
could have like pivoted and grifted ontothis like very, very easily, but
I didn't want to because I didn'tthink it was effective. But I even
remember at the beginning of the year, when again my business was set up

(45:44):
for the year, I was like, good to go, and I remember
saying, if the Democrats crashed theeconomy in order to win an election,
I will never ever forgive them,And that's exactly what they did. Yeah,
you know, it was so funny. I was watching that happen.
I was like, listen, theonly undeniable thing that he has done that
you can't sort of you can't usehis rhetoric as a way to sort of

(46:07):
discount his accomplishments was in the wayof the economy, right, Oh,
yeah, that his economic growth inthis country and what was happening for people
was undeniable. And you know,you could call him a racist all day
and say that he's you know,anti Islamic, anti you know, immigrant,
whatever, but you couldn't deny thathe had absolutely whipped the economy into

(46:30):
a shape that it's never been in. And then I was like, this
is the only thing that he's winningon, and they'll find a way to
cheat. They're going to find away to cheat him. It's like when
you were watching uh, you know, if you watched old like Westerns and
stuff and the car you know,the card shark came in, like the
movie Maverick with Mel Gibson. Youknow, he's just winning and winning and
winning, and then they just theway they beat him is to start working

(46:52):
together and cheating. And you're like, uh, don't. We can't do
that in this country. That's notwhat we're about. I'll tell you what
though, because even even they triedto even deny that success because I was
very ingrained with like the HR community, and I was I did presentations for
like the largest HR conferences and allthat, and so a lot of people
in the HR community knew me,followed me on Twitter or whatever. And
I remember during his State of theUnion in twenty twenties, so this was

(47:15):
even before I went to the Trumprally. This was a couple of weeks
prior to that. He came outand was talking in his State of the
Union about the economy, and Iwas I was live tweeting it at the
time, and I was like,I don't I think it's a good thing
that unemployment is low. I thinkit's good that people have jobs. I
was just kind of tipping my toesin the water to see how people would
react. And you know, thereaction I got from the HR community was

(47:37):
CARLTT, this is not good.How dare you say he's doing a good
thing, because having a job islike being a slave. And I was
like, your literal job title isyou're a recruiter. That is your literal
job title. And you're telling methat having a job is like being part
of the slave trade. Well,what does that make you? Yeah,
you would have been in slave placement. Yeah, yeah, you wouldn't.

(47:59):
You wouldn't have been an the fieldsin this analogy. No, you would
literally be the person who's like,okay, uh my fumbo, it looks
like you've had very good, youknow, success in the fields. As
of late, we're transferring you toplantation seven where we think you can really
thrive exactly. But the HR peopledid not like that. There was a

(48:20):
good economy. They were very muchopposed that. I was like insanity,
which is insanity, I'm living incloud world. Oh yeah, what was

(49:17):
the area that actually sort of feltfull to this, you know, walking
away from the left and walking awayfrom the Democratic Party. Did any of
your actual views change? Yeah?I mean I wouldn't actually say many of
my views have changed. I mean, there are topics that I feel really
strongly about. There are topics thatI feel like my position is really grounded
in. There are topics that I'mmore ambivalent about. And I think that

(49:40):
just like you, I mean,free speech was always very much like my
top issue going back to when Iwas a teenager. I thought, when
I was a teenager, I wasgoing to go to law school and be
like a lawyer with the ACLU defendingfree speech, and so that was always
my number one issue. And Ithink it was more about the ACLU is
dedicated to removing free speech wherever theycan exactly, they don't even don't even
defend free speech anymore. But Ithink, you know, for me,

(50:02):
it was more about realizing that theleft position on these things had totally shifted,
had totally changed, Like I didn'tfeel like mine changed that much at
all. It just happened to bethat my values were now more aligned with
the right than the left. AndI look at the abortion issue as well,
and I'm pro choice, but atthe same time, I'm also pro
choice with limits, to be honest, and if I had to pick a

(50:24):
side right now, I would haveto go with the right, because I
am not in favor of what theleft has done in terms of like abortion
all the way up to birth ormaybe even after it. That to me
is monstrous, like like celebrating yourabortions, like going into rallies and saying,
oh, I've had six abortions,and like filming your abortions, like
and I'm posting them on the internet, Like you're that's crazy. That's not

(50:45):
okay with me. It's almost likeit's almost like, in an effort to
be sort of understanding and tolerant,we've way oversteered as Yes, And this
is what I always say about myofficial like abortion stance or my perspective on
it, is really what is theproblem. I mean, the problem is
we want to avoid unwanted and unplannedpregnancy in this sense, and so I

(51:07):
think unfortunately we keep making the conversationabout what to do after we get to
a place of needing abortion. AndI think number one, I think we
have to decide as a society iflaw has a responsibility to protect life,
and then once we make that decision, we have to come to an agreement
on that, because to me,it's all or nothing, right, Like,

(51:28):
if we think that human beings don'thave the right to determine the value
of life, then we also haveto get rid of the death penalty.
We have to get rid of abortion, We have to get rid of all
of these things. But regardless ofthat, the dealing with abortions is the
symptom of a bigger issue of wehave a problem in society where we can't
prevent unwanted pregnancies or we do avery shitty job of it. And a

(51:50):
lot of people want to go,well, that's personal preference or whatever,
but I go listen, even froman Illuminati perspective, it would be financially
beneficial. If you're gonna have anyform of universal healthcare, it should be
uni versely free birth control. Thereshould be you know, uh, you
know, yeah, I mean there'sso many people come from Yeah, it's

(52:10):
it's like, uh, it's soto me, it's like in a world
where we outlaw abortion, we wouldalso have to do all these other things
that would make that an absolute nonnecessity right to where we would never get
to that point unless somebody literally justdecided to do everything. You know,
you'd have to kind of take awaythe excuses that you have to make birth

(52:32):
control free accessible everywhere. You literallybe able to scoop it up in a
bin at fucking pavilions, you know. I think data mining is a big
part of where we've gone wrong isbecause all these all of the big business
around the Internet comes with exactly theopposite, lumping people into groups, building
these um these profiles. Right,So all digital marketing is based off of

(52:57):
a consumer profile, and I thinkin by nature of doing that, we've
let advertising rule how we are socially. And they have to have all of
these same traits, all these samecharacteristics. They have to be this kind
of consumer, they have to havethis kind of income, this kind of
job. Well, and I alsothink it forces people to try to feel
like they need to fit in toa specific group or they need to conform

(53:19):
to a specific thing. I mean, there's a there's a lot of pressure
there. I mean, I rememberagain when I was waking up and all
of my friends are on the left, and you know, one of the
things that all of my friends startedspeaking woke at the same time, and
I didn't speak like all my friendsworked on college campuses basically because I worked
in higher education for ten years,and all of them started speaking woke at
the same time. But I didn'tknow what they were talking about, and

(53:40):
there was an incredible pressure to tryto like fit in. Like they would
say, Carlin, shut up andlisten to black people, and I was
like, uh, I don't thinkthat's a good idea, but all right,
I'll try, Like and there's likea lot of friends getting on the
building outside they're like even him,yes. Well. You know what's funny
though, is like so I arguedwith my friends on this point for a

(54:01):
little while, and then I waslike, okay, fine, you told
me to shut up and listen toblack people, I'll go do it.
So I started, um like followingthis diversity trader because I didn't I didn't
understand like all this stuff was nonsenseyet, right, And so I was
following this woman and she was shewas black, and I was listening to
her lessons and one of the thingsshe said is that white people have to
stop telling other like white people toshut up and listen to black people.

(54:22):
And I was like, ah ha, And so I went back to my
friends and I was like, listen, I did what you asked me to
do. I shot up, said, I listen to blacks. And they
said, you're wrong about listening tothe black And do you know what they
said? They were like, well, you're just tokenizing her. You found
the one. I was like,come on, you found the one.
Yeah, that's what I love.This is sort of like my baseline thing
of like if if you think thatum, that somebody like Candice Owens thinks

(54:46):
the way that she does because sheis like trojan horsing white white supremacy agenda,
It's like, I can't even beginto have a rational conversation with you
when that's the starting point when youwhen you are more likely to believe that
this person is a shill for theirown execution versus maybe they just disagree with

(55:08):
you about the world. It's animpossible starting point to having any sort of
intellectual discussion. And I always feellike this is the thing I'll say about
victimhood and identity politics is coming outof the business world. The last thing
you ever want to do with peopleto get the most out of them is
to remove their sense of hope andremove their sense of purpose. And so

(55:31):
to me, my original pushback hasalways been if you wake up every day
and say I can't succeed because ofthe color of my skin, or I
can't succeed because of my sexual orientationor any of those things, that mentality
only hurts you. And it's sointeresting to me that so many people on
the left have this vision board manifestingmentality about their lives, this conquering I

(55:54):
you know, I have to projectwhat I want into the world, and
yet will spend so much energy talkingabout how their identity makes them a victim.
And it's like, no, applythat same logic to how you wake
up every day. If you thinkthat you can put something on a fucking
cardboard, a piece of poster boardwith magazines cut out of it, you

(56:15):
think you can create that world byputting it on a fucking poster board,
then you also should be waking upwith a mentality of the color of my
skin has nothing to do with this. My sexual orientation has nothing to do
with this. It's funny that yousay that, because I am one of
those woo woo spiritual manifesting people andI literally vision board off type. I
do literally have a vision board rightover there. And so I actually literally

(56:37):
wrote a book like three four yearsago about mindfulness in the workplace and about
how you can't consider that. There'sliterally a section in it that says you
are not a victim, and ittalks about all this stuff like you have
to have a vision for what youwant, you have to do this,
you have to do that. AndI wrote this book, and I could
not figure out why my lefty friendswere not like more thrilled with this book.

(57:00):
I thought the book was awesome,and so I came out and I
never heard boo about it from mylefty friends, and I reread it after
my whole awakening and kind of startingto like understand Trump supporters in the right.
Mord I was like, oh mygod, I wrote a conservative book
before I ever even knew that.I kind of agree. That's funny.
Um, the weird thing is,and I think what kind of pushed me

(57:22):
over to the right is this ideafrom the left of like their radical individualism
does not also come with individual responsibility, and so I think that's that's the
point of hypocrisy. Where they startto lose me is where I go,
will wait a minute, you don'tlike, if you really think you're going
to manifest this world you want,but you're also a victim, then you're

(57:42):
you're not a radical individual You're delusional. You are a person with a victim
mentality who has this delusional sense ofself entitlement of saying I believe the universe
has chosen me for greatness, butI believe everyone on Earth is trying to
stop me because of these identity youknow boxes that I check. And it's
like, how fucking crazy do youhave to be to you know, be

(58:06):
a victim and then also have yourhead that far in the clouds in terms
of your setting, Like it's literallyentitlement. I mean I have a friend,
uh and and like you've experienced inthe corporate world and in academia,
we're experiencing with comedians. Is Ihave comedian friends who U will like literally
beat the drum for this victimhood stuffand then on the other hand, be

(58:28):
like I was destined for greatness andit's like, well, how can the
universe be simultaneously picking you for greatnessbut you're also a victim because of your
circumstances. So it's like that levelof just absurd hypocrisy is when I started
to look around and go you know, and I always felt like I had
a different perspective on art because Ihad such an extensive business background, and

(58:52):
I was like, well, maybeI just have a more capitalistic approach to
this and understand that, you know, it's it's really not the verse picking
you. So much of it ascircumstances and opportunity, and maybe some of
it is your work and preparation thatled you to that opportunity. And you
know, then, I've seen enoughpeople be gift wrapped opportunities and waste them

(59:15):
because they didn't put the work in. And I've also seen people who have
been given nothing succeed in spite ofthat because of the work they put in
and because of the focus and thecommitment to getting better and to being more
unique or more interesting or finding away to make it work. And so
you know, there's like a senseof I've always had, I think a
little bit more resilience because I cameout of the business world, and I

(59:37):
knew like there was as a businessexecutive. I think it's important to mention
I never went to college. Ibasically skipped college. I started working in
management when I was like eighteen.I was an assistant manager and then became
a store manager and a training storemanager, all before I was twenty one
years old. And so by thetime my friends were getting out of college,
I was already making almost six figuresa year between my a salary and

(01:00:00):
bonus. And this is in likethe early two thousands, when making seventy
five grand, years like making onehundred and twenty five. Now, as
I started trying to move up tocorporate ladder beyond single unit management, the
fact that I didn't have a degreewas starting to be used against me.
They were like, well, it'sbetween you and a guy who went to
a really good college, and youdidn't go to college, so we're going

(01:00:21):
to pick him. And there wereall of these opportunities where I would lose
an opportunity to get a job becausethe other guy had a degree, and
I would have to beat the orgirl, and I would have to beat
the fuck out of them in performanceto eventually get the opportunity and move past
them. But I was able todo it, and so I sort of
came out of that thing of like, even if life, even if your

(01:00:44):
life doesn't hand you and even footingright, that person maybe went to college
because they had rich parents and theywere always going to go to college,
doesn't matter. You can still beatthat person. You can still fucking blow
by that person. And so Ithink that forced the mentality of, like,
there were a lot of days whereI missed out on a job opportunity

(01:01:06):
when I was a young guy twentytwenty one years old, and I would
call my mom on the phone andgo, listen, I feel like being
the best doesn't matter, and shewould go, the fuck it doesn't.
And thank god I had good parentswho raised me to believe that of like,
I don't care if that person hasa better degree than you. You're
gonna get that job and you're gonnamake them look stupid for picking that person
over you in the first place.And I did that every step of the

(01:01:29):
way in my corporate career, tothe point where people would literally not be
able to keep a straight face ifthey said, well, I don't know
if we can make you this executiveposition because you don't have a degree,
And I'd go, cool, Well, everyone, I just everyone who's asked
I just kicked this year, theyall have degrees. So maybe I'm very
successful in this business because I don'thave a degree, because I think like
the business has taught me to think, not like some asshole in a university,

(01:01:52):
no offense has taught me to think. So you know, it's like
necessity is the mother of invention.Yes, so by being somebody who was
never really trained, I had tofigure things out to be successful, and
I had to figure them out inthe most effective way, analyzing the data
of reality versus basing what I mybehavior and everything off of these pre existing

(01:02:14):
theories. And that's the problem somethinglike critical race theory is it sort of
says all of these things are predetermined, and so it goes into this sort
of matrix thing of like, well, then you're telling me we don't have
free will as human beings, Wellright, you know what I mean.
And it's even more insidious than that, because like I believe that success is
a variety of factors. I believethat you have to want success, you

(01:02:36):
have to be determined to do itthere. So there are some really talented,
smart people who simply don't want tobe successful in that way. They
don't want to be an executive,they don't want to run a business.
They don't want like and then thereare a variety of reasons for that,
and that's fine. But you haveto want it, you have to work
that's that's that's a Jordan Peterson thing, right, Like, Yeah, equality
of opportunities is not necessarily equal equalityof outcome. And one of the biggest

(01:02:58):
reasons for that is because people choosedifferent things for themselves. They want different
things, right, Not everyone wantsto be a high powered executive. That
comes with a lot of pressure,that comes with a lot of responsibility.
I mean, a lot of peoplewant to go in and punch the clock.
And that's totally fine. It's nota better or worse thing. So
you have to want it. Youdo have to work hard, you have
to show up, you have tobe on time, you got to do
your stuff, like we've already talkedabout, you have to have a schedule.

(01:03:21):
But I also think there's a mindsetthing to it as well. I
think that you have to believe thatyou are worthy of success and I think
a lot of people shoot themselves inthe foot because they don't believe that they
are worthy of success. They don'tbelieve that they're worthy of love. They
don't see themselves as good enough forwhatever reason. Now, when you're talking
about like, you know, Ididn't have a college degree, but I
kicked all their asses anyway. Butwhat you had shown yourself through years of

(01:03:45):
hard work is that you are worthy, right, And a lot of people
don't have that. And it soundslike such a simple thing to to give
yourself that gift, but so manypeople we have bad self esteem. We've
been heard in a million different ways. We've had a million different people tell
us all the things that were notcapable. It takes a toll after a
while. And I think one ofthe things that is so insidious about critical
race theory is it gives people thatnegative mindset that they are not worthy,

(01:04:09):
that they can't achieve something like inorder to achieve anything, you have to
have a positive mindset, whether youbelieve in the woo woo stuff or not.
You know, in a weird way, it's like it is rooted in
the right place. I think someof it when you start to get into
the Tony Robbins level of you know, empowerment and manifestation. It gets to
be a little bit of a griftat times. But hey man, Tony

(01:04:30):
Robbins has done very well with thatgraph. Yeah, yeah, but but
it is rooted in the right place. It is rooted in the place of
like, take control of your ownlife and ignore any outside factors. And
yes, yes, outside factors willaffect you, right, but no different
than the weather. You know.But yet you can't confuse weather with climate.
You can't look even if there aresituations. And I'll have this conversation

(01:04:51):
with friends of mine who are veryadamant about things like systemic racism, whatever,
and I go, you're trying totell me that the weather now the
climate. You've had a series ofthings in your life that have happened that
are racist. Correct, that's notclimate change. That's hail and everybody gets
caught in a fucking hailstorm. Butyou actually get to decide whether or not

(01:05:14):
that is the climate of your lifeor that is an offhand incident of weather.
Right, And so you you,at the end of the day,
have to decide, do I reallybelieve this is now the climate that I
live in or was that an off? A one off experience of inclement weather
in your life? And I cantell you that every successful person, I

(01:05:34):
promise you Oprah never woke up anyday of her life and said being black
is going to stop me. Never. No, even though she's spouting it
now, which is ironic. ButI'll give you another example, because this
used to happen to me all thetime when I would do corporate trainings.
Is all after the training, allthe women would like hang back and they'd
be like Carlin, where where women? How can we compete with the men?

(01:05:55):
How can we have the How canwe get the mail executives to take
us seriously? And I would likeshit into them. No, well no,
but what I did say in someplaces. But what I did say
is like, you've got to startlike ignoring the fact that you're a woman
and there a man. Stop stopthinking about the gender stereotypes. Because if

(01:06:15):
you go into this boardroom meeting whereyou're like, I'm the only woman,
woe is me, They're all gonnahate me. No one's gonna take me
seriously. They guess what they aregonna because you're gonna act that way,
You're gonna act like you're not worthy, you're gonna put your head down,
you're not gonna be confident, Like, stop worrying about the stereotypes, start
ignoring them, and just believe thatyou can do it, because that that's
half confidence. It goes a longway, and it can get like I

(01:06:38):
I have never once had a problemwith like Carlin, you're a you're a
woman. Well you know, Imean yeah, but but that doesn't mean
I can't do anything that that youyou know that you can't do quite frankly,
yeah, it's not like you're ina wheelchair. It's like literally woke
people, Like what do you expectfrom them? They're goddamn women. They
don't know any better anything that doesn'tsound very well, you know what.

(01:06:59):
They're A lot of this wokeness isactually it's based in very bigoted thinking in
the first place. Yes it is. It's sort of like this thing.
I always use this analogy, andI don't know if you know this story,
but it's like when Mark Wahlberg wasa kid, He's written stories about
this or done an interview where hetalked about this, where they basically like
stoned an Asian kid and almost everyoneon the left that has this mentality is

(01:07:26):
like he's sort of in the articleor in the story. It was like,
you know, we all have thosestories, and I go, we
don't, Mark, we don't allhave those stories. But the time we
tried to lynch an Asian boy thatwe went to school, So maybe some
of your woke comes from this fuckingguilt of you being a horrible person.
I don't have a racially based lynchingin my childhood that causes me to have

(01:07:48):
this tremendous amount of white guilt.No, I completely agree with you.
Like I make the argument like mansplaining is a real thing. It absolutely
is. You know where it alwayscoming from me by that se No,
I'm just but you know where italways comes from is liberal white men every
single time. At the same time, you know, the people that are

(01:08:09):
most likely to make fun of mefor like you know, my body or
whatever, like always on the left, I'm like, what happened to not
body shaving people? They're like,no, it doesn't like that goes right
out the window. Same. Imean, it's so funny, like I'll
make I made a joke about Cardib I said she I heard she's when
she was pregnant. The tweet wassomething like Cardi B announced today or no,

(01:08:30):
no, was it Nicki Minaj?I think it was Nicki Minaj.
Yeah, because it was not CardiB. Fans, I don't even know
the difference between the two, whichI'm sure is racist. Yes, well
no, probably pretty dead on aboutthat. But but Nicki Minaj is pregnant,
and I know Nicki Minaj is pregnant, which now means that every part
of her body has been injected withsomething. Right, this is a joke
about plastic surgery. I'm making funof the fact that she's literally been Frankenstein

(01:08:54):
in a lab to be um theobject of men's desires, and her hands
literally come after me. And whatdo they attack? My my weight,
my race? And somehow I becamegay in making congratulation I have I think
I posted I posted some of thesemessages because I didn't know there was like

(01:09:15):
a third layer of Twitter dms.There's like your dms, and then there's
your filtered dms, which are peoplethat you don't follow, and then there's
a third layer of people that youdon't follow that Twitter also believes they're dming
you something harmful or negative and soI go in and I start looking and
it's literally like black women and they'relike, you is a faggot? You
is has no business talking about women'sbodies because you gave up women fought at

(01:09:40):
dick. And I was like,this doesn't feel What if, by the
way, what if I did?What if I What's so wrong with that?
But just the idea of like,and I grew up playing sports and
I remember that that sentiment of like, man, my black friends who constantly
complain about race are really fucking homophobic. Has anyone pointed that out to you

(01:10:02):
guys? Uh? Growing up inPhilly on the East Coast, it was
like and and all my black comicfriends, we have this conversation all the
time, and it's like, maybewhite people start being nice to you when
you guys start being nicer to gaypeople, when you start to unpack some
of the like individual histories of thesereally leftist people. A good example was

(01:10:23):
like Ascia Argento, right at thefront lines of the Me Too movement,
and then we find out she's hadthis very inappropriate sexual relationship with an underaged
boy for like fifteen years. Ofcourse she has, of course has It's
like whoa Uh, that's talk abouthiding in plain sight. And this just
doesn't even surprise me anymore. Imean it's it's like, I'm not I'm

(01:10:44):
not I'm not mad, I'm justdisappointed. Yeah, that's the that's the
finger wagging knitter in you. Itis, by the way, I wonder
how many times you're about to sayknitter and people that are watching hold their
breath like, she's not gonna sayit? Is she? It was funny.
I was on Dave Rubin Show withMichael Malice and Elijah Shape for a
couple weeks ago after the Capitol andI said something about knitting, and Michael

(01:11:06):
Mallis was like, you did notjust say that? I was like,
yes, I did ballast the kN word, Yeah, the N word
with the soft K. Yeah.So what I mean, what's on the
horizon for you? Do you feellike this shift from you know, somebody
who thought they were kind of onthe left being more centristed to the right

(01:11:26):
now and all of this newfound sortof opportunity. I mean, what do
you plan to do with it?What was so forward too? I'm I'm
working on a book like my realBattle, Like you know, I kind
of got sucked into the Trump stuff, but my real battle was like never
Trump. I think Trump is great. I think I hope that Trump stays
into all of our lives for comedicrelief if nothing else. But the thing
that I always cared about most reallywas the critical race theories stuff and the

(01:11:49):
woke stuff that I think like turnspeople into zombie crazy, you know,
invasion of the body snatchers, likeshells of themselves. And so that's really
what I'm most interested in fight.And I think that I'm going to be
working on a book that is it'sspecifically designed to explain to the average everyday
person what this stuff is and whatthey need to know to speak woke and

(01:12:11):
to fight back against it, whetherthat be an education or the work environment,
and are all these things because Ithink that you know, I love
James Lindsay and Helen pluck Rose asmuch as the next person, but for
me, their work is very,very academic, and for someone like me
that just like, you know,I mean, well, you know,
what I used to do is justlike come home at the end of the
day and you know, sit downon the couch and have a beer or
whatever. I don't want to reada twenty page dissertation about one woke term

(01:12:35):
that James Lindsay was obsessed about rightnow. And again, I think he's
great, and I think all hiswork is very necessary, but I think
there's a gap in terms of likereally drilling this down and making it very
easy to understand for the average person. Like what is critical race theory?
Well, it's about judging people basedon the color of their skin rather than
the content of their character. Andis that get into every little bit of

(01:12:55):
critical race theory? No, butat least we have a starting point that
we can work from that I canexplained to you in ten seconds or less.
So I'm gonna be doing that.I'm gonna be building a website that
I basically want to do like guerrillawarfare against critical race theory. So I
want to get this whole little bandof people that very interesting choice of terminology.
We're not going to be amended.Yeah, I want to tell you

(01:13:18):
it's impossible to slip that by meas a comedian. I go, oh,
guerrilla warfare, huh. I wantto get this little band of people
that, like I want to get. There are so many of these trainings
that are done through libraries or thatare like public webinars and things like what
if we all just want to crashthese trainings and just started asking the right
questions to poke holes in them infront of an audience. That is the

(01:13:42):
way. Yeah, it's the best. It's the best. I did it
for a teacher education training a coupleof weeks ago, where they were like
going on and on about all likelike how do you how do you how
do you integrate these concepts in theclassroom, and I was like, I
was in the chat and I justsaid, didn't get a school in Nevada.
Just get sued for this, Andall of the all of a sudden,
people the chat were like, what, we didn't know about that.
But then what happened is like anotherguy started chiming in who was clearly forced

(01:14:06):
to watch this webinar, and hewas like, yeah, and I heard
about this, that this is stupid, and this one the other, and
it was like it encouraged other peoplewho might be questioning it to say it
out loud, and that's really whatneeds to happen. We need more just
average everyday people in their environment pushingback against this nonsense. I literally went
to a Sony event that Array andum Sean Combs were speaking at p Diddy

(01:14:32):
and as Ray literally stood on stagein front of like two thousand television writers
and creators and said, this industrywill only be fixed when all of the
all the straight white men making thedecisions die off. And I so badly
wanted to do what you were justtalking about and stand up in the middle
of it and go, are youtalking about the Jews? I just drop

(01:14:58):
that bomb and walk away it is. Yeah, I would have been amazing.
Oh I should have done it.I should have done it. I
was, you know, I wassurrounded by black people and assumed I would
be murdered. But but I butit was really that's where my brain would
I was like, I think youkind of like what you're just what you're
talking about is what could be describedas anti Semitism. So so I'll tell
you my little cancel story. Sothe day after my article goes viral,

(01:15:21):
I'm like, like, like,it felt like a bomb went off of
my life. I really couldn't evensee straight. It was so crazy with
all the different things that were goingon. And so I was sitting downstairs
on my couch one night and Thiswas right when Tim Poole had like launched
his his podcast, and so hehad on Jack Murphy. He's the guy
that wrote the book Democrat to Deplorable, And I was like, okay,
well this is apropo. So Istarted watching this and Jack Murphy's talking about

(01:15:45):
when he got fired from his jobor like basically being in the wrong place
at the wrong time, and hedidn't see where he got fired from.
But I, like, I waslistening, like he was dropping these hints
where I eventually figured out. Iwas like, he got fired from one
of my clients. And it wasn'teven a big client either. It was
like a small, little niche thingthat you would not know unless you knew
the right keywords to listen to.I was like, goddamn it, he

(01:16:08):
got fired for one of my clients. And that was my big realization that
I'm about to lose clients over this. It was like three days into my
article going viral, and it wasa couple months later. It was right
after it was when the COVID lockdownswere starting, and I gotta tell you,
I really enjoyed Kung Flu. KungFlu was like the best possible labor
dude, every comic in the countryis angry and jealous that they didn't think

(01:16:30):
of kung flu first. No,it was, it was amazing and it's
hilarious. I don't care what anyonesays. And so as again, I
was like spouting off about kung flufor like three straight days on Twitter and
I get an email one day fromthe woman that was at this company that
Jack Murphy got fired from, andshe's like, Carlin, I know we've
promised you worked this year, butyou're just being a little too racist with
kung flu. And I wrote herback and I was like, oh,

(01:16:53):
well, guess what. I knewyou were going to find a reason to
fire me as soon as I metJack Murphy. Best of luck to you.
And of course now, well theydon't even care about Asians now,
they consider Asians to be white.Oh wow, isn't it so funny how
it's completely come around, Like theCivil War. I joke about this all
the time. People are like,there's a civil war coming in this country
there yet, and unfortunately will beagain. It will be dark skinned black

(01:17:15):
people fighting against light skin transgender blackpeople. That's how fucking ridiculous this thing
will become, well literally will becomethe left eating itself entirely. And so
oh, it's already starting, andI think it's glorious. It's the most
amazing thing that I've seen. Andin a way, it's sort of like
you kind of hope that that thatthing happens quickly and loudly to the point

(01:17:39):
where we all can wake up inthe debris and get back to building a
rational you know, United States,where where I grew up as a kid,
where none of this ship was evertalked about ever. Right, Well,
I just take solace in the factthat I'm on the side with the
guns that actually knows how to usethe guns. Yeah, so I feel
okay, that part is very good. I threw are Locals up here,

(01:18:00):
I'm throwing mine up now, buttalk a little bit about Locals specifically because
I'm new to it. I've onlybeen on Locals for less than a month
now, and I you know,I love it. The thing that drew
me to it right away was thingslike Patreon and everything else. We're really
popping when my show started and whenI was kind of switching gears into being
a full time entertainer. But oneof the first things that was kind of

(01:18:24):
terrifying to me was like, right, the week I built a Patreon was
the week that the canceling started happening, the deep platforming. I think it
was Sargon of a cod got hisentire Patreon taken down because of something he
said, not even on his contenton Patreon, and I started thinking,
like, God, if this canhappen, you know, why would I
want to try to build a communityin an income stream from a place that

(01:18:48):
can just take it away if theydon't like what I'm doing. And so
that kind of made me very gunshyto start creating my own paywalled content in
any way. And then Locals comesaround and I remember going like I remember
Dave and Jordan talking about to needthis and here it is. Yeah.
So I kind of got into itby accident. I was on Day Rubin
Show after my article, and Ihad started a group. I was very

(01:19:12):
much into that point, like tryingto facilitate rational discussion between the two sides,
which I'm not actually sure I thinkcan work right this second, but
that was what I was trying todo at the time, and I had
now I have a very distinct opinionabout that. I also think we're very
our side, unfortunately, I thinktries to intellectualize too much. I think
we have to be more ridiculing,and I feel like that's when people go,

(01:19:32):
what's your role in this? Myrole is to be the drummer of
ridicule, as a comedian, asto create work that highlights how fucking ridiculous
this is and rub their face init, rather than because you know,
as you can tell, I'm somebodywho I love to talk. I love
to talk with really smart people likeyourself. But I think the intellectualism of

(01:19:55):
common sense is actually the biggest achillesheel of our side. I agree with
you. We have some good ones. We have Dave, we have Jordan,
we have Ben Shapiro. We that'sit, Like some of us need
to spend time absolutely highlighting and ridiculingthe other side's perspective, and I absolutely
agree with that. My YouTube channelis all about ridicule and mockery. That's

(01:20:18):
what I do on my and thenI feel like you get, first off,
it gives me a way to getit out of my system because I
need to otherwise I'm going to explode. But I do think it's a way
a way to really show how absurdthis whole thing is. But I also
think there is a place for rationalconversation among adults who are actually wanting to
try to see other people's point ofview. And so I started this group

(01:20:38):
on Facebook that was specifically dedicated tothat. And so what started happening like
a week into the group is Istarted getting all these content warnings from Facebook
and the group grew very quickly.But Facebook was like, you know,
you're this goes against fact check orwhatever. It was giving me all these
warnings on this group, and Iwas like, well, they're going to
to leave my group. I'm gonnawake up one day and find out that
this group just doesn't exist. Andso I was tweeting about this, and

(01:20:59):
Dave respond to one of my tweets, I was like, you really need
to get on Locals And I waslike, you know what, that's probably
a good idea. And so Igot on Locals a while ago, just
as it was originally intended to belike a backup in case Facebook like deleted
my stuff, Like this was likeeverybody's life raft, and now it's become
the main ship. Yeah, butit's awesome. I Mean what I love
about Locals is it is like it'slike, if I'm doing mockery on YouTube,

(01:21:23):
Locals is the place where I canactually have rational adult conversation. And
I love the fact that they're like, I don't have to battle the trolls.
I don't have to battle like withwith people who are just coming in
with I'm with people who actually wantto have a conversation. If somebody's paying
you your monthly fee to come intoyour board and troll you, I hate
to tell you, but you're winningthe battle of trolling. And that actually

(01:21:45):
has happened. So people have actuallyhate the monthly fee to get access to
my exclusive Locals videos where I tendto rant sometimes and be a little bit
more open than I am, Andso people have actually done that. They've
done it specifically to pull those videosand put them public. And I'm like,
okay, you showed me like youpaid me to troll mee by the
way, by the way, youliterally pay to license my content, so

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enjoy. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I don't care if people see this,
um so no matter. It's notlike we're hiding and that I've gotten
messages like that too, where peopleare like, oh, are you in
your little Nazi webshite for y'all foryour Nazi. Yeah, the way you
hide your Nazism. It's like youcan join it in. Yeah. Here,
here's here's a promo code. Yeahexactly. Yeah, here's yeah,

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just use promo code Nazi for yourfirst month free. You know what,
that's actually not the worst idea.I might actually steal that because what I've
been let's both do it. I'mreally going to do it. Yeah,
we totally need to do this becausewhat I've been doing to market my locals
on Twitter is every time someone's trollingme, I just retweet them and I'm

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code and you won't have to dealwith trolls like this. And it's actually
it's that's actually been one of themost successful ways I've gotten new members in
my local is by retweeting the trolls. It's so interesting is that I've used
the similar tactic of like, ifyou don't want these people to win,
you have to come over and supportme on locals. It's so fun.

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where's my fucking mug? They saidthis was the Christmas gift. So oh
oh, I was post I waspost Christmas designation. You'll have to well,

(01:23:29):
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community. We do community zoom callsin my locals twice a week, Like
I really feel like I've got toknow a lot of my members. Yeah.
No, it's super fun and they'rethey're a lot, like two hours
long each but basically it's just likewe get together and we chit chat and
people have a place to vent aboutwhat what I've found is like the biggest

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place to say the things that they'rescared to say publicly. Yeah, and
that's important. Yeah. Yeah,So anyway, I'll flash this up again.
People can go support you at KBdot locals dot com and they can
come over to my community at JoshDanny dot locals dot com. The cool
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lot of people that are on locals, and I invite do this if you
want, if you come over tomy page, I give everyone that's in
the community that's another creator free membershipsso they have full access to my page
and they can share their content thereor bring people over. And there is
the thing I do like, andI've done this with like Looperrez and some

(01:24:35):
of the other people on locals,there is more of I think a community
around locals, and there is atPatreon for sure, and definitely more than
only fans or some of these otherthings where Yes, I've found that most
of the people that are are supportersof mine on locals started as a supporter
of another person on locals. Yes, And I don't know if you've noticed

(01:24:55):
the same thing. No, Itotally agree. I've definitely gotten a lot
from like a lot of peop peoplethat support Dave are also in my locals,
And I agree with you. It'slike it really is a community.
It's not just about I mean,they like they may have gotten there through
like they saw a video or whateverof mine, but really the I think
the thing that holds my locals togetheris they talk to each other. We're
talking about this. I want toshare this story thing where you will cover

(01:25:18):
these these two things real quick.I want to get your take on.
We talk about this a lot.You having a background in the business world,
this makes so much sense. Butone of my biggest pet peeves through
this whole thing is when people talkabout free speech, doesn't mean freedom of
consequence and private companies are free todo whatever they want. One of my

(01:25:38):
favorite follows on the internet is theBabylon b Yeah, sure you, I'm
sure. I love it better thanthe Onion every Day by far. And
I was fortunate enough to be ableto do their podcast last week and I'll
be on that coming up soon.But I love this. This is this
is like the perfect take on youknow, they're a free commany they can

(01:25:59):
do what they want. I mean, this is satire and it's finest Scott.
It is a private company. Theycould do what they want, says
man getting curb stomped by terminator.I mean to me, this is the
reality that nobody pictures when we talkabout private companies can do whatever they want,
getting out of control. Yeah,well, this is this is exactly
right. And listen, like,I understand the whole argument about private companies,

(01:26:21):
but I think we also need toface the reality that social media has
become the town square. In areality where we've been on lockdown for an
entire year, social media is thetown square. So they've lost private company's
status so far as I'm concerned.Well, here's the other one too that
I think is interesting. So whencan it go too far? All of

(01:26:41):
those people who are like private companiescan do whatever they want. Freaked out
this week with this whole robin Hoodstock thing. And so here's an example
where a private company did whatever theywanted to, right because they're a private
company, and they literally froze tonsof people's money and prohibited them from doing
league goal investment transactions that would benefitthem because they felt like they were doing

(01:27:04):
it in a way that would hurtlarge hedge funds and large investment firms.
And not only that, but thenFacebook went and this is this article,
and then and the group where everybodywas communicating and coordinating this this effort drive
up and buy. What's more Americanthan a bunch of people looking at a

(01:27:25):
failing industry and going, let's investso that this thing doesn't get swept up
in the pandemic. Well, thething that really blew my mind. Was
it wasn't It wasn't just that RobinHood cut off being able to buy this
stock. It was that they wereactually selling the stock of people that had
already bought it without without them givingpermission. Like that's downright illegal. Man,

(01:27:45):
I don't know how they can getaway with that stuff. Well,
hopefully they don't. I mean,and it's you know, people said this
all day yesterday, but they're likeman if if AOC and Ted Cruz and
Elon Musk are all on the samepage. This is definitely wrong. Yeah,
you know. And so when youlook at all these pical people coming
together and saying listen, regardless ofparty, this is completely fucked up in
an American it should make you kindof turn your head and go, yeah,

(01:28:08):
it's definitely a problem when everyone,for every political reason should be disagreeing
on this and they don't, andso there's clearly an enemy. Here's what's
interesting, though, and it's funny. I had this long conversation with my
mom the other night about what Ithink will incite the next civil war.
She don't think it'll have anything todo with race. What I think will
happen is we will go through thishorrific economic time, and then what's happening

(01:28:31):
right now is that banks are gettingsmashed with debt and debt that people aren't
paying because they either mortgages or theycan't pay their rent. And then those
landlorders can't pay their mortgages. Sowe're literally about to go into another two
thousand and nine housing crisis. Yeah, but not only that, you have
automobile debt, all these other things, like like I can't tell you how

(01:28:53):
many lending offers I've gotten from automobilecompanies because they're just like, please,
somebody finance a like we need moneyand nobody's nobody's getting loan. So what's
going to have to happen is oneof two things. The financial industry is
going to have to drastically relax theirlending requirements, which we learned in two

(01:29:13):
thousand and nine they're willing to do. So what was the alternative? The
government bailed them out. And I'mgoing to tell you right now, if
you think paying for gender studies inPakistan is bad for the general public,
if this regime bails the fucking banksout again after the American people have not
gotten their adequate stimulus, have notgotten a supplement universal basic income. Businesses

(01:29:36):
have not been allowed to open andgenerate their own income. If you bail
out the debt for these banks afterthis pandemic, that's when the uprising will
happen, and you'll see Antifa andthe Proud Boys come together in the streets
with machine guns, and that insurrectionwill be a real insurrection, not the

(01:29:59):
FA one. Yeah. Yeah,and I think that was one hundred percent.
What will happen is that we willget to a point and the first
people that our government will bail outwill be rich, the wealthy, and
the powerful, and America will goall right, we were right when we
voted it. This fucking guy,I gotta change it. And so that's
the thing that's what I think isthe most dangerous about when they were calling

(01:30:21):
January six and insurrection, It's like, no, no, no, no,
that's going to happen. The realone is coming. Do not cry
wolf about this mockery. Uh,this this staged darkness that invaded the Capitol.
It was like a tour that gotout of hand. Yeah, one
of them people were staying among thein the ropes like I was. I

(01:30:42):
was at the Capitol on January six, you know what was going on.
Fifty thousand people were standing out onthe Capitol lawn waving flags and chanting USA
USA. They actual insurrection, likeall of those people would have been in
that building. And it was funnybecause you saw that. You saw like
the clips on like major news meetingwere like they erect a gallows, and
then you look at it, uhperspective, and it was like, a

(01:31:03):
like, who are they hanging thepeople from little people, big world?
This is like a child gallot.It was like you couldn't it wasn't a
real gallows. It was like ait was like a prop yeah, yeah
and great hanging from this Warwick Davis, well yeah and great. Like I
will say, like that was stupid, like guys like did this stuff.
Like I'm like you morons. Youmade us all look like idiots and so

(01:31:26):
but but I mean to your point, I absolutely agree with you that this
is what is This is what isgoing to cause an actual insurrection. And
one of the things I've been thinkinga lot about is what happens when populist
left and populist right come together andrealize that they really don't have that much
like they don't hate each other asmuch as they think that they do more
common Yeah, yeah, they absolutelydo. And this is already starting if

(01:31:49):
you if you listen, I've beenlistening to a lot of lefties lately,
and I'm talking like progressive like leftleft lefties, and they Antifa BLM type
people. I wouldn't Antifa necessarily,but like BLM, which I actually interviewed
a BLM guy on my channel acouple of weeks ago, and I found
out that they think Antifa is likeqan on like they do, not like

(01:32:10):
any at all. Yeah, butlike a lot of them are it is,
by the way, well it issomeone who's a member of both.
No. I actually like to Ilike to wear my Proud Boys shirt to
my aunt meetings. It's very funny. No one knows who I'm trolling.
I'm sure that's going to work outvery well for you. Yeah, but
I think both sides head of thatexplode because they'd be like, wait,

(01:32:32):
is he doing that ironically? Whichone does he do ironically? We don't
know. We don't know. Butbut listen, like the left hates Joe
Biden, they do, and theythey hate what he's doing, and the
fact that they're already like there aremilitary is already going back into Syria.
They're not happy about it either.So I really do think we're going to
hit this moment where the left,the populace left and populace right, are

(01:32:54):
going to realize that they don't actuallyhate each other anymore than they hate the
people in power. Yes, andthat's when they're going to get in trouble.
Yeah. And I do think weare going to have that kind of
revolution like the real insurgents, andwhen the military walks into the capitol and
arrests and escorts those people out,that's going to be the real insurgents.
And I believe that day is coming. You know, imagine, imagine that's

(01:33:17):
what's so funny when they're like,this is an insurrection to go there's no
organization, no leadership, and nomilitary. Wait till those components come into
the fold, and then you're goingto see what a real coup looks like,
which is when a general goes inon behalf of the people and says
you're all done. And so,you know, I think that day is

(01:33:38):
coming. I mean you already seeit where it's getting bolder, where people
are like graffitiing politicians homes and you'regoing to start to see me taking craps
on Nancy Pelosi's driveway. I've saidthis many times where it's like, if
Gavin Newsome were a Republican or werea sorry Republican, that's not the case
at all. If Gavin Newsom werea political figure in any country other than

(01:34:01):
America, that man would have alreadybeen beheaded. Oh yeah, he's run
this state. And it's amazing tome that we haven't seen more of that
kind of political violence. And unfortunately, I think it's coming because these people
are going on the news and laughingin the faces of their constituents like yeah,
I know, I know we're notsupposed to be at restaurants that you
guys caught me having a twenty twothousand dollars meal on the taxpayer that doesn't

(01:34:25):
adhere to my own lockdown orders.But you know, fucking Gavin going to
Gavin Dog and you know, Ilike my wine, so it is what
it is. And I'll see allout there and it's like, wait a
minute, what the fuck did youjust say? You're just waiting for people
to That is, as they usedto say back in the day, those
chickens will come home to roost atsome point. You can't that blatant about

(01:34:47):
your disregard for the etiquette of ourgovernment and following your own fucking rules.
I mean, a teacher who makesrules the classroom and then doesn't f all
of them is going an insurrection beforetoo long five year olds, let alone
entire states of people that are beingeconomically imprisoned and forced into bad debt bankruptcies.

(01:35:13):
I was like, I was talkingto a debt collector the other day
and I go, you know,we're all filing bankruptcy this year, right,
Like why the fuck would what doyou what do you even do?
Like what we're all gonna file?And it's just like there's like, well,
you know, if that's really bad, and I go, no,
it ain't, because you guys areall going to have to adjust or else
you just won't be able to lendanybody. It's so funny when you have
some basic economic understanding of where we'reheaded, and it does have this very

(01:35:38):
sort of Project Mayhem feel. Andthat's what I love about this investing story
is it is, in a wayan update to the concept of Project Mayhem
from Fight Club, which is thepeople rallying to re engineer the way economy
works in this country. I absolutelyagree. I absolutely agree. I think
listen, like a situation like this, the differences between us are and when

(01:36:01):
I say us, and I meanlike like just average the proletariat average every
day people like you and me.I have not I cannot remember a time
when it was so very clear tome that the people in power, the
Republicans and the Democrats are exactly thesame. Like this has been illustrated so
clearly for us all to see rightnow. And the blessing that Trump left

(01:36:21):
us was I mean, he didsome good stuff as president, but I
think the real blessing in this isthat he made it very very clear which
side these people are on and whatmaster they serve, and it is not
the American people. Yes, Andwhat I've told people along is if you
think Trump was bad, wait tillthe next Wait till wait till what Trump

(01:36:42):
inspires. And I don't mean thatevery When I say that, everybody thinks
in terms of like, oh,you mean more racist and more zena fol
No, I mean more anti government, where you're going to start to see
candidates as sort of candidates come outof the woodwork that are non traditional government
agent like the people that do notcome from traditional politics, traditional big government,

(01:37:05):
other populous type candidates. And Isaid, the thing you need to
worry about is you lucked out.That Trump was a little bit of a
bad speaker and old and a littleout of it in terms of being with
the times, so to speak.Not maybe as sharp as it would have
been if Hettie had gotten elected inthe eighties or the nineties or something.
Right, But the next person isgoing to have that same anti government,

(01:37:29):
anti big government perspective, and thatperson is going to be smarter and more
articulate and a better leader. LikeGod forbid, the right comes up with
an Obama type character who is alsoanti government, and we know we have
them. We know we have peoplelike that on our side. Are that
are thoughtful intellectuals and fiery speakers andreally smart people with good ideas. And

(01:37:58):
when the public meets those people,and when the political space meets those people,
they're going to be in for aworld of hurt. I mean.
And that's why they look at peoplelike a candas Owens, and they try
to propose to the general populace thatshe's a black, white supremacist because the
idea of a black woman who completelyrefute your narrative is terrifying to them.
Oh yeah, I'll tell you what. Like, I don't want the president's

(01:38:20):
job at all. You cannot payme enough money to do that job.
But I actually have thought about runningfor Congress in twenty twenty two. And
I may just do it just forjust for ships and giggles, to be
honest, but if I do it, my whole platform is going to be
like I am the anti politician.I'm not, I have no desire to
be there. I'm only going becausethey need more people like me there.
And I've even thought about like runningon a platform where I purposefully call myself

(01:38:43):
a rhino, because like, Ihate the Republican Party just a little bit
less than I hate the Democratic Party, and I think, like that's exactly
the type of people that we needin government. Well, I hope the
High Health that this is the lasttwo party election we've ever seen. And
I predicted in sixteen when I whenI saw that debate in the hotel lobby
and earlier, I predicted that Trumpwould win that election, and I thought

(01:39:03):
that would be the last two partyelection we ever had, but kind of
makes sense that it wasn't because hewon in your incumbent is going to run.
But I don't think we'll ever havea two party election ever again.
And you know that's I think that'salso terrifying. That's coming, by the
way, whether the right or theleft won it, and the American people

(01:39:23):
are getting to the point where we'relike, we're so grossed out by career
politicians. I mean, to me, the whole thing needs to be overhauled.
Senate should be people who had servedas congressmen or women and decide they
want to do a deeper dive,a further commitment of service. But there
should also be two term limits onthat twelve years of government. That's more
than a million two million dollars insalary. That's more than enough of money

(01:39:46):
for somebody who's given that amount ofyears. And then I think Congress should
be non elected, meaning like weshould be picking those people like we picked
jury duty. That two hundred peopleget selected, those people debate, the
field gets narrowed down in a primarysituation, and then those people are elected

(01:40:06):
against their will, meaning they didn'tget to choose to campaign. They got
summoned and then the populace picked,like your state picks the person they liked
the most for that two year cycleor that, you know, whatever it
ends up being. Maybe they becomefour year terms, but everyone serves only
one, and then if you wantto continue to stay in government, you

(01:40:27):
have to run for the Senate andthen you can campaign and then you can
go further. But it would essentiallymean that nobody could be in government longer
than sixteen years four presidential terms,and that, to me is arguably too
fucking long. But it would bea light year's improvement from what we have
today, which are people literally gettinginto politics in their twenties and thirties and

(01:40:47):
staying until they put them in abox. Yeah, I mean, I
have mixed feelings about term limits,if I'm honest, because I really think
at the end of the day,people need to be responsible for who they're
voting for now. Agree. Youknow, My thought of behind has always
been, like, we have termlimits, they're called elections. Elections are
the term limits. But the moreI'm thinking about it, the more I'm

(01:41:08):
coming around to this idea that,like, you know, there has to
be an endpoint because too many peopleare getting rich working in the government and
it shouldn't work like that. Yeah, I mean, And another thing you
could also propose is what why onearth is any elected official making more than
the average income of their constituents.Meaning, if the average income of your
constituents in California is one hundred andthirty five thousand a year, then that's

(01:41:30):
what you should make as a congressmanin that district. But if you are
in Mississippi and your average income foryour constituents in your district is forty seven
thousand a year, you still getto make one hundred and seventy something thousand
a year. Is that congressman orwoman. That's fucking ridiculous because if you
actually came from that area, thatkind of wealth is government is the only

(01:41:53):
way to acquire that kind of wealthshort of inventing something right, And so
to me, that is absolutely problematicwhen you think about not even about you
know, what people would do oncethey're in government, but what motivates somebody
to get into government in the firstplace. Then it becomes not about public
service. And to me, whenthere's a disconnect between what a politician makes

(01:42:15):
and their constituents make, there isno incentive for them to improve the quality
of life for their constituents versus ifit was tied where you only could make
the average income for your constituency.You better believe congressmen and women would be
like, how do I make mypeople more money? How do I help
them? And that would mean lessregulation, that would mean it would mean

(01:42:35):
all of these libertarian things that wewant because they would have to back the
fuck up and let people improve theirown lives, so that would be the
only way they could enrich themselves.Love it, Yeah, absolutely, It's
like the idea that you know,the idea that a congressmen are woman from
a very poor district still gets paidlike the richest person to ever live in

(01:42:57):
that state is disgusting. And thenyou wonder why, like you know,
a politician in rural Alabama never wantsto leave office. Well, that's the
richest job they'll ever have living inAlabama. So you know that that is
there. We could probably do anotherhour and a half or something on structuring
the government, but I think it'scoming and that's exciting, and it's kind

(01:43:18):
of as a fan of you knowa little bit of a fan of chaos,
I'm excited to see what shape ittakes. Well, you know it's
funny because literally the day before Januarysix, I was doing a live stream
from my hotel room in DC,and I said on the live stream,
I was like, I just wantas much chaos as possible, Like I'm
very prokay, And then January sixhappened. I'm like, I'm good with
chaos. I'm good. I don'tneed any more chaos for right this second.

(01:43:41):
So we're all set up like Ilearned lesson learned Universe. Okay,
I hear you, but no,I do agree, Like I think that
the next four years are going tobe really interesting to watch and see what
happens and see how how all thedifferent parties kind of play this little game.
And I feel very blessed to bein a position where my literal jaw
is to watch what's going on andthen complain about it on the Internet.

(01:44:04):
Nothing more American than that, amI Right? That's what I'm saying,
Caroling, anything else you want toplug other than Locals before we get out
of here? Yeah, I meanmy Locals is the best place to find
me, but also my YouTube channel, which just look up my name on
YouTube. But it'll come right upand um that's really where I post a
lot of my content, but definitelyjoined my locals. If you want more
adult conversation and less snark and tomfoolery, yeah, go to only fans

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