WAKE UP CALL #8 w/Tim Young

We’re joined by political comedian and commentator Tim Young! We talk about clawing out of the pandemic to start doing comedy this year, and what that looks like. We talk about the problems with the logic line of “private companies can do whatever they want.” We talk about Gina Carano, and how Tim loves bad bitches.

Episode Transcript

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But what I was gonna say isI've found that a lot of non traditional
venues in terms of like comedians andstuff, they don't give a shit about
if you're canceled or not. They'rejust like, oh, can you can
you bring a whole new audience ofpeople in my establishment? And right now,
I think so many businesses, barsand restaurants and stuff, they're so

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desperate to get any kind of youknow, shot in the arm that they're
open they I mean, they've gotto be open to doing different thing,
right yeah. Now that's hey,look at it's worked for me. I'm
getting calls to do stuff and uhin more major me areas then you would
think that I would normally get calledfor and for stuff that isn't political.
You know, I'm a political comicand that's the basis everything that I do.

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But people are like, can youlike act? Then I'm like yeah,
They're like, why don't you trythis? Because they understand that there's
seventy five million people at least thatare out there half the country that is
conservative and wants to hear from thesepeople. Thank God, honestly for cancel
culture to this extent that you know, only the only comedians. The primary

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amount or the major amount of comedians, like ninety eight percent of them are
liberal, and so the two percent, I'm happy to be here to cash
in. Man. Yeah, it'sfunny because a lot of people, you
know, I haven't always been supervocal politically, although I've always been very
vocal with certain things, I guesson the as a libertarian. Historically,
what I've been mostly vocal about arethe things that I think almost everybody agrees

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on, like you know, notyou know, ending the war on drugs,
not giving a shit what people putin their bodies or what they do
in the bedroom or anything like that. But then as you sort of get
even more hyper focused on individualism,I'll call it that more than I would
call it conservatism or even libertarianism,that's where you start to lose a lot

(02:16):
of the left, a lot ofthe very liberal people that I've become friends
with and worked with in Los Angelesin my eleven years here, and so
that's where I sort of diverged intomore of the conservative right leaning. And
then, you know, some ofmy views have changed by making friends in
that space, and they made betterarguments about things and have convinced me,

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you know, that some of myviews maybe weren't necessarily well thought out,
or that I didn't consider other things. And so now I think I'm probably
more conservative than I was at thestart of the whole shebang. But it's
interesting to me how the conservatives orlibertarians or individualists are now the more punk
rock side of you know, ofart and culture and entertainment and the very

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sort of liberal people are more corporatiststhan um, you know, sort of
rebellious and free spirited. Do youfind that to be the case. Yeah?
When did they switch? Like whendid? I mean? It's it's
all, it's all the things.So like under Wa used to make fun
of the hippies who are like noblood for oil, big farm is bad,
Big corporations are bad. And I'mlike, where are they now?

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Because I could go out to adrink with these people, like I agree
with all of that stuff. Nowwe've seen it all come out, all
the stuff the hippies warned us about, and I'm like, where are the
hippies. Well, the hippies aretaking corporate jobs and supporting you know,
Coca Cola and Walmart and Amazon,and they want Bill Gates to make sure
that they can shoot you up withany kind of vaccine he comes up with
with his programs and whatever, andit's like what in the hell, Like,

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where did you guys go when?Where was the switch? Yeah,
and and missing the whole Private corporationscan whoever they want to do thing of
of of you know how that extendson to everybody of Like now that we're
to the point where well, nowprivate companies are going to force people to
be vaccinated if they want to workthere, if they want to you know,
if they're like, for instance,their studios now that are saying you

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have to be vaccinated if you comework on this film set, even if
you're a grip, even if you'rea production assistant, you have to be
vaccinated. And so like, youknow, does how do these people,
many of them very well educated fromvery prominent universities. Maybe well educated is
the wrong term, but very youknow, ondoctrinated, yes, very very

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on paper, supposedly very smart peoplewho don't see a problem with the private
companies can do whatever they want thingturning into force vaccinations, force re education,
a lot of these things that Iwould think is so called liberal person
would be staunchly against yeah, Idon't know. I don't know where it
goes. And I always like thelike, well, if you don't like
it, you can start your ownthing. Cool. Well, parlor did,

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and then the parlor got shut down, So then you have to start
your own web service provider too.On top of that, I mean,
like this is yeah, does thisend? You know you want to provide
your own air in the end.Yeah. And then let's say, let's
say, let's extrapolate that out right. Let's say you do start your own
web services company, and then thecompany that makes the actual hardware that you

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built your services on says, we'renot going to sell you anymore hardware.
And so now you have to gobuild a chip company and a drive company
and a computer company. And thenyou don't actually control the plastics manufacturers,
so you got to have a plasticsLike how far does it go? I
mean, this is and I've asked. I had Ron Coleman, the attorney
on the show last week, andI asked him, I go, at

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what point do we start to enterinto the realm of organized corporatism in the
form of racketeering, Because to me, that's what it's really become, right,
Like we're not we're not actually takingyour rights away, but we are
colluding in a way that will makeyou choose to violate your own freedoms or
else you won't be able to survive. Yeah, that's where I think there

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we need to be, well,we need to be you know, five
years ago we needed to look athow we regulate the Internet and what's going
on with with social media companies,just to start, But we're beyond that.
Now it's too late and it's nowhow do we correct for it?
I don't, I don't, I'mnot sure, but you know, I
mean that's the thing that like allthe libertarians who you know, say,
these are like private, these areprivate companies. They can do whatever they

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want. Cool listening guys, DonaldTrump has gone now, and now that
he's gone and they're silencing Trump people, you're next. So I just want
libertarians to realize that. I believeit was John Brennan who looped in libertarians
in his list of people who shouldbe considered terrorists or considered a terrorist threat.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean that'syou're next on the roster. So

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it's one of those you know,the boiling the frog thing, like you're
going to make excuses when it's notyou. It's going to catch up to
you. Yeah, it's funny.My girlfriend's Middle Eastern and every time we
fly or she travels, she alwaysgets the bag tag that says your bag
was randomly selected for a search.And when when that Brennan list came out
and libertarians were listed as you know, domestic terrorists, she goes, Oh,

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I guess it'll be the same forus. Now when we fly,
your bag will be checked as well. I do a bit on that.
By the way. So I wasin Austin Berkshire Airport one morning and it
was kind of early, and Iwas wearing a hoodie like normal, and
like they literally were separating people bycolor. I wish like they're like the
any any kind of civil rights organizationwould have lost their shit seeing what happened

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at the separation, you know,the pree check and what and uh and
people who had to go through regularsecurity, and so all of the people
of color were put into the regularsecurity and they were waving everybody else in
the white people in suits through precheck until they got to me and they
put me in regular security. AndI'm like, oh, I get it.
I'm the I'm the token white guytoday. Yeah, and they like
looked, they stared at me,and I'm like, uh huh, look

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at who you've just slept through pups. Yeah, exactly. It's so funny.
I mean, well, and wetalk about we always talk about how
the the overwhelming majority of the sortof extreme left is sort of going to
become inevitably the snake eating itself whereand you already see some of that,
where like woke people are getting canceledfor not being woke enough. You know,

(08:09):
it's so funny when you look,and this is kind of how we
ended up saying, like, let'sjump on a podcast to do this,
because there are some examples where Ithink some of us diverge in the strategy
a little bit, and I thinkthat's interesting, and we sort of split
our where we're generally almost always inconsensus. We sort of split a little
bit on the Michael Jay thing Israeljoke about the administration of vaccines, right,

(08:31):
well, yeah, they called himanti Semitic for it, and they
want to cancel on for it.Listen, I'm just all about at this
point, you're dealing with children,and when you have a little kid that
winds too much. One of theways you deal with it as you wind
the same way, or you know, they smack you as a little kid,
they sack you smack. I'm justyou know, a little bit once
the same way that they did doyou, so they understand what they did.
And that's kind of my strategy withit on all of this stuff,

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is you smack them back with theirown rules. Look, I'm happy to
play by the left's rules. Theydon't want to play by their own rules
though, you know. I true, I'm very excited about trans women and
women's sports. I love it.I get signed me up. I'm happy
to support all of them. I'msuper excited to put me in the middle
of a pile of ultra progressive feministwomen. And this stands at a women's

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sport that is has a couple oftrans women in it, and I want
to watch the trans women, especiallyin basketball like dunk on people hard check
them, like smash the back smashthe backboard, like ground like. I'm
all about it. Sign me up, I'll signs everything. Yeah, I
think we all agree that Shack anda Wig would immediately make the w NBA

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watchable. I love it. Imean I'm all for it. That's like
the weird thing is like, yeah, they always say that, you know,
conservatives and whatever anti trans number one. I have trans friends and I
love them, but I don't needto say that to clarify this. I'm
all for it. I want Idon't know, I'm allowed to swear on
this right already of course. Yeah, yeah, I want trans women to
kick the shit out of women andwomen. I'm so excited about that,

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and just really just women soccer.Oh my god, please, I hope
I hope that game stop. Transwoman goes into the Olympics and competes in
all of the events and I don'tknow, and every time she smashes some
broad into the you know, podium, I want her to be like,
it's ma'am uh you know. Ithink that again, that would make the

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Olympics way more watchable than they arenow. I am so I'm so excited
for it. I can't even tellyou, like, I just backt weightlifting,
bring back wrestling. You know,it's it's it's it's absurd and yeah,
and it'll get to the point whereit's now it'll be for our own
amusement, right, It's sort ofthe be careful what you wish for.
Well, that's the thing, like, are they going to ban you on

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Twitter for supporting trans women and women'ssports, because like, you know,
like the left knows what I'm sayingwhen I say this, and I am
a thousand percent for it. Likeit's like one of those when will they
turn around and be like, ohmy god, this no, no,
we can't do this. And that'sreally what happens when you use the rules
against them. It's like it's somepoint they go quit, that's enough,
no, no, And I'm likewaiting you you said to do that.

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But yeah, but see, Ikind of worry about the execution of it,
like bad faith actors. So goingback to the Chay thing, it's
like, well, you know,we tempt, and I think the attempt
is correct to say, let's holdthese people accountable in the same way we've
been held accountable. Right, everytime I tweet something that people don't like,

(11:26):
they immediately jump into my bio andthey see that I used to host
a show for Food Network, eventhough just as host of this show on
Food Network and they've never hired anew host, so technically I'm not necessarily
the former host I'm the only host, right, so, and I do
it deliberately to show that these peopledo no research, like you can google
me. And the first thing yousee is that when people went after the

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Food Network in twenty eighteen, whenI first said something very unpopular, my
show had already been off the airfor six months. We just did get
picked up because I wanted more moneyand the network doesn't pay talent anymore.
Like nobody at Discovery. Show mea person at Discovery who's been discovered in
the last two years since the merger. It doesn't happen. They run a

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show now with nobody from Carolina cookingin their kitchen, and then when that
chick gets heat and wants money,they throw her in the scrap heap and
they go get another one. Right. That's where Instagram has sort of destroyed
influencer based television, is that there'sno longer going to be anybody that's developed
into the point of getting a lotof money. And even when Discovery bought

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Scripts the summer my show was inits second season, they announced in the
acquisition call, they were like,yeah, the greatest thing about Scripts is
that we don't have to pay anytalent and it's like when that happened,
I looked at my director. Wewere actually shooting when that happened. I
was like, well, it's beenfucking guys, but it doesn't look like
we're coming back. But neither herenor there. I leave it in so

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that idiot they didn't my bio seethat I Food Network. That's a big
company, and they immediately longed toan attack to be fired from the Food
Network. Whenever I tweet something Idon't like. The problem is, though,
even when we show the hypocrisy,I don't feel like the consequence has
ever come. So like we canshow and we can try to cancel people
like Michael Chay or even you know, when the Gina Corano thing happened,

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everybody was very quick to go.Pedro Pascal did the exact same Holocaust comparison
inaccurately. Might I add, heused a lot of bad info. He
had like a picture of like itwas like Portuguese migrants are something that he
said were people at the American border, which wasn't true, and that picture

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wasn't from twenty eighteen, it wasfrom way before that or something, but
made the same politically charge comparison tothe Holocaust, no repercussions, no consequences,
and so I just I just thinkthat that method is necessarily going to
work because it's clear with who's gettingfired and who's who goes and who's days

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that it's not about principle, it'sjust about part. Yeah. Yeah,
you make a point with that,and it'll be very interesting. I'm working
on a piece now for the WashingtonTimes on this, like they don't want
your money kind of is the summaryof it. You know, I think
we just end up creating our ownmedia outlets, and you see what like

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what happened with Gina Corano And Idid a podcast on this with that doesn't
matter who I did it with,who cares, But I'm curious how you
did it with. But well itwas Andy signor so like, and so
we did a podcast on this thatnight. I was on with a bunch
of nerds just before she was letOh, actually I believe. And I
was like, you know, ifI were her, I would just keep

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saying offensive things and then be astarring conservative land and make a ton more
money than what I make right nowfor Disney. And I'll be damned if
like two days later she wasn't signedwith the Daily Wire, like immediately signed
with the Daily Wire. They arepaying her probably more than Ben Shapiro to
join the Daily Wire. I mean, I guarantee on that movie. It

(15:03):
sounds like she's going to direct it, produce it, and star in it,
and so she's probably it's probably likea really back end heavy deal where
she'll make more money on the points. Even if that movie tanks, she'll
make more money on the points ofownership of that movie. Then she will
have made being intent seasons of StarWars where she gets no points on the
back end. Dude, she's smart. She's been in all sorts of stuff

(15:24):
for years. I forget what elseshe had. So she was essentially like
the first MMA fighter female fighter,Like she was in the first like the
main event. Yeah, she wasthe first star. She was in the
first sanctioned women's MMA fight I believe, or maybe it was the first sanctioned
main event. Was her. Youknow, she fought one of the biggest
things that kind of gets overlooked talkabout trans people in sports. She fought

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Cyborg before there was steroid testing inMMA. So I mean, when you
talk about a woman stepping in andfighting a trans fighter. Basically, she
essentially was the first to do it, fighting Cyborg because Cyborg was probably on
more testosterone back then than trans athletesare today. So I mean, if
you look at Cyborg's back in thatfight, you would have thought Gina fought

(16:11):
a dude. Like I mean,Cyborg was fucking ripped, and you gotta
give a Cyborg credit. Even whenshe came to the UFC and they she
started having to submit the testing,she was still pretty dominant until she ran
into Amanda Nunaz, who is just, you know, next level, a
next level terminator. I don't evenI don't even think Amanda Nunia as a

(16:33):
human. I think she was amartial arts cyborg sent back through time to
destroy women's lives. I've been I'vebeen a a like. I've had a
crush on Gina Corno for years now. Um so that's like, that's why
I'm losing white now now that I'mlike a conservative. Whatever, if I
eventually run into her, she's notmarried and she doesn't matter, that's I

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don't know, I know. No, you know what's funny is I know
Gina. We're friends. I'll textwith her from time to time, but
she keeps her her personal life veryprivate. And the thing that I think
is so funny about the fact thatthey went after Gina Krano is like,
here is a woman who went intoa male dominated sport and was a pioneer
and not just dominated, like wasa pretty pretty dominant perform I think the

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only thing was to Cyborg she wasa monster right until Rona Rosy she was
in like she was any person.And there was a lot of for a
lot of years that Dana was tryingto get Gina to come out of retirement
and fight Rhonda because of what awhat a super fight that would have been.
And I just think, you know, I don't think like Gina fought
at one forty five, and Rhondawouldn't. I don't think ever would have
gone up in wait to fight her. But because she just walks, she's

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a bigger chick. But here itis. So that's my point. Gina,
who kind of like is inarguably apioneer in what is hot and sexy
for women, what beauty is right, And even on the Mandalorian, she's
not some fucking ruby rose twig withsome asexual haircut. She's a feminine,
curvy badass woman right, and youwould think the woke left would have rallied

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around this woman to say, ohmy god, she has an opportunity as
the star of this major franchise,to redefine what a beautiful action leading movie
is. Not one hundred pound youknow, m gymnast, but a woman
who's a real athlete, like aSerena Williams or that type of thing.
And nothing. It's like almost likethey give her because she has different political

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views. None of the things theyclaim to be values of theirs hold up
at all. By the way,there's no way Ronda Rowsey isn't a conservative.
I saw that she's like a prepper, and yeah, I bet I
bet Ronda Rowsy. Here's here's alittle speculation. I bet Ronda Rousey's in
them QAnon message. But like amotherfucker, she's probably in there under like

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warcraft, jiu Jitsu sixteen or somethinglike. She's really into video games and
stuff. But she's a prepper,you're right about that, grows her own
food, she's got goats and stuff. Oh yeah, she's yeah, so
I'd be willing to bet. Like, probably the reason you haven't heard Ronda
Rowsy is she is probably knee deepin qan On for the last two years.

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She's getting ready. She's getting readyfor those stiff no dude, and
I love it. Like here's thething I think people need to realize.
And by the way, before wemove on, since your friends with her,
she's into if you find out she'sinto wheenie comics, I'll put in
a word, Tim put in aword. And also before we go on
too. I actually I never thoughtto tweeted her until one night I was
watching the American Gladiators channel on Pluto, and I watched her just eviscerate,

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like these poor contestants were doing itlike the old the old American Gladiators.
You were just up against people whowere on steroids. But like this was
like post MMA fighting days still likei mean not that she's not out of
shape now, but like she wasstill like in like fighting mode where I'm
sure it's like muscle memory destroying thesepoor women. And I was I was

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cack like watching it. Was soenjoyed. She threw this woman off the
like the whatever it was. There'slike a pyramid, right, yeah,
I had to climb. Yeah,I think she. I think she talked
about that in her Ben Shapiro interviewwhere she was like, I felt horrible
because I was like ruining this girl'sdreams, murdering, Like I mean,
like they had neck braces on.They probably put them on those girls because

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of her. Anyway, all thataside, Yeah, exactly, Like I
just that was so entertaining. UmNo, what were we talking about,
Roda rousing big? I mean,yeah, there are more conservatives in this
country than there are liberals. AndI think there's more entertainers and athletes who
are conservative than then realize it.And I think a lot of people,
because they don't talk about it,feel like they're on an island by themselves.

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And really, if if they startcommunicating and start being more upfront with
it, I think we'll realize andthey will realize that there's a there's a
coalition to be had well, andthen it will normalize it a little bit
to where people go, Okay,well, these people aren't all Nazis and
terrorists or whatever. I was goingto ask you this because you you're a
pretty prominent conservative on Twitter. AnyTime, any time, whether it was

(21:10):
myself or even other celebrities get canceledin the media, I always get message
from a list or be very fewA lists, probably two, a list,
probably about a dozen B list celebritieswho are terrified to speak out,
who will literally seek refuge in mydms and go, oh, here it

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is again, man, another one. This is why I can't say shit,
this is why I can't speak out, because they'll come for me,
just like they came for Gina.And it's like it's it's in one way,
it's sort of comforting, going like, oh, it's nice to know
that people feel that they can trustme and come to me. But on
the other hand, it's like,hey, if you all stop fucking hiding,
this would become more accepted. Ina weird way, I feel like

(21:52):
a guy in the nineties who's gotlike three gay friends on the internet who
refused to come out of the closet, And I go, you know,
if you guys all got together andcame out of the closet, this wouldn't
be so taboo anymore and you couldall be happy with your lives. But
on the same hand, it's notmy place to force people out of the
closet. And so when media outletsstuff are like name names, it's like,

(22:14):
it's not my place to do thatfor them. They have to choose
to do it for themselves. Butyou know, being a conservative now is
exactly like being gay in the fiftiesor sixties. Like if somebody would come
out of conservative, you see whathappens. Well, the thing is,
I think there are more and moreexecutives and more and more prominent people who
are realizing that they're not alone anymore. It's super You're right, it's like
super duper weird with this stuff.And the same thing. You know,

(22:37):
I see who likes my tweets andI've gotten messages as well, and it's
always kind of fun when I'm like, you know, they're bigger and bigger
people who are very clearly conservative hereand just are afraid to say something about
it. But you know, moreand more athletes, like basically anybody who's
a pro wrestler too. I God, I love pro wrestling to begin with.
I'm a big nerd. And thenI realized that I realized that like

(22:57):
my favorite wrestlers listen to me onthe radio when I host for Serious XM
and like stuff like that, andI'm like, what, I you know,
I have your theme song in mygym playlist. I mean it was
like so like that's that's super cool. But no, the thing is,
and what the message has to bewith all of this is that there are
more conservatives out there than I thinkliberals in this country and people need to

(23:18):
realize. And by conservative, bythe way, I include libertarians who haven't
lost their minds because of Trump,because I really Trump was a Democrat before
he was a Republican. People forgetthat he used to go on Oprah when
he was toying about being a youknow, being a presidential candidate in the
eighties and nineties, back when shehad her regular talk show in Chicago and

(23:41):
he was his views are always staunchlydemocratic. Oh yeah, and because the
left has gone so far left,Like so if you look at the spectrum,
they're so far over here. Allof this area really is conservative and
a Republican now. And yeah,you know, I think the Republican Party,
other than a few billionaires who continueto drop money at things, are
over the social issue use like youknow, gay marriage and you know,

(24:03):
the transit. Nobody, nobody Iknow, gives a shit about you know,
actual trans person using the bathroom.Nobody cares. Like if if there's
a man that's chosen to become atrans woman that walks into a bathroom.
There's not a single woman I believein the world, like ninety nine pc
of women would be like, great, you know, I don't care,
you're you're a woman like me,right, unless she's in there helicopter and
her dick around and slapping people ina face with it. No cares.

(24:26):
But by the way, I wouldbe bothered by that in a in a
men's room by another guy. Like, it's not the transpart that's it's the
obnoxious dick flinging that is a problem. I don't know what you call yourself.
There's a almost gut used to jerkoff on my back alleyway in DC,
and I kind of got used toit. So it's stock him up
on Jurgens, make sure he's gotup to date materials. By the way,

(24:48):
you know who's super conservative porn stars? All of them? Isn't that
wild? Isn't that a wild thing? I've come to that realization too.
They're all very you know, Ithink Jenna Jamison's like a major que person,
right She's yeah, she was abig libertarian before that too. But
like, and let me tell yousomething too, Like I mean, not
that this has anything to do withanything. I've kind of followed her story
and she's head ups and downs andshe's really dealt with a lot of like

(25:10):
her her demons and stuff. AndI really respect her because of all the
stuff that she's been through and likewhere she's like kind of come full circle
with her life and stuff like That'sthat's been a hell of a fun journey.
Not a fun journey, but ahell of a like an encouraging journey.
Well it's also just interesting, right, And you know that's the thing,
and is like interesting is the currencyI think we all get up for
every day. And you know,the this is the thing that I think

(25:33):
television and media is going to wakeup to really quickly, whether they want
it or not. Is that interestingmeans that sometimes you need to have bad
guys too. I Mean, thisis what the media never really anticipated when
they colluded to get the president outof the country. Which whether whether you
consider that a conspiracy theory or not, it's like, is COVID a conspiracy?

(25:56):
I don't know about that, butis the way that COVID has been
reacted to two by of political officials, the media, etc. Was that
a conspiracy? I one hundred percentbelieve that the embellishment, reaction and overreach
that has been a byproduct of COVIDwas entirely intended just to get rid of
Donald Trump. One percent believe that. And that's also why he that's why

(26:18):
he called it. What did hecall it? That gets not that it's
a scam? What was his lineat the rally that he not so eloquently
said, Yeah, I can't rememberthat the hoax, the hoax. I
think he called it up because hecalled it a media, media and Democrat
hoax. Yes, and and andthat part I agree with. Do I
think the virus is a hoax?No? I think that. I think
it's a It's an inconvenient reality,right. I think a biological weapon snuck

(26:44):
out, and our government seized theopportunity to pin it on the guy they
wanted out, and they knew hewas going to get reelected. He was,
he was moonwalking into reelection in theeconomy we had in nineteen going into
twenty twenty one, right, um, And so they said, look,
we can a lot of people aregonna die. We can spin this will
get them out. But what theydon't understand ultimately is like have you even

(27:08):
turned on the news since Donald Trumpis out of it? I mean they're
gonna realize very quickly, like allof their when the first quarter, like
Nielsen numbers come in and advertising numberscome in, and these brands start realizing
that there's no longer any revenue tobe made in traditional media. It's gonna
go belly up there. It's likeif you if you are going to get

(27:30):
rid of a very entertaining villain,you better have an equally interesting hero to
push and without a heat Like that'snot Joe Biden and it's not Kamala Harris.
So you got rid of the bigbad and you don't have a hero
to pin the franchised on. Sonow it's just gonna it's gonna go into
oblivion. Well, it's the samething, and even if you have an

(27:52):
equally entertaining hero, it dies off. So not to go back to pro
wrestling because I'm a nerd number,Oh yeah, yeah, let's use let's
use the heel face analogy that Yeah, listen, you you don't want to
face to have the championship belt toolong? The money's in the chase,
right, you gotta beat up theyou beat up the heel over and over
again, and the heel keeps gettingaway with it. The bad guy gets
away with it, and then finally, you know, you have the big

(28:12):
payoff at your big pay per viewthat the guy, the good guy wins.
But then you need to take thebelt off of him in three months
because that gets stale. You can'tkeep having them be there. And then
you know, and then the heelturn is as something that I think a
lot of people live for too.I mean, there's is there a bigger
moment in pro wrestling history than whenHulk Hogan joined the nWo. I mean
that was like, that was themost that I remember. I think I

(28:37):
was like twelve or thirteen when thathappened, and I remember being like I
wouldn't. I wasn't a kid thatwas in tears, but I was like,
oh my god, Like I waslike this this is balls, you
know, like this is the theidea that you're gonna make Hulk Hogan a
bad guy. I mean that takesbig balls of steel to take somebody who's
been this sort of American hero inwrestling each your vitamin's guy, and you're

(29:02):
gonna make him a villain. Inever saw that coming, and you know
that's that, But I do thinkthat kind of thing has conditioned us in
how we view our stars, whetherthey be heroes or villains, or they
turn from one to the next,but ultimately, heroes and villains just have
to be interesting people. And Ithink television is going to realize that they're

(29:26):
going to need people to be hatedon their networks as much as they're going
to need people to be loved.And so I was talking with a friend
about this yesterday, texting back andforth. They said, you know,
how many meetings is you are inthe marketing world, the marketing side of
companies right in your parents lives?And so how many social media meetings will
the Food network people sit through andtalk about the fact that I get mentions

(29:48):
three to one over everyone on theirnetwork before they go, why don't we
just bring him back as a judgeto be like a Simon cow and people
will watch because this guy's fucking hated. No, you're right, one thousand
percent right. And you know,I don't really watch the news anymore,
but I'm going to be debuting ona very new program next week with WGNS

(30:08):
due twenty four hour news channel andsighting because people know, look when I
did stuff at WTTG in Fox fivein DC, which I was there for
about a year and a half,they ran out of money because of local
advertising and they actually have to doreporting. It turns out they would bring
me on on Friday nights to playbasically the heel character. And so you

(30:29):
know, they had their traditional host, they had two two talk show things
that I would do, and Icome in and shit on everything. And
the thing was, it's honest,like I'd like disagree with them on almost
everything, and I hated the greatnot Andy Kaufman going against your own principles
to play the heel. It's noteven that complex, No, And the
numbers went up on Friday night,which for those who playing along in home,
numbers do not typically go up onFriday nights for channels. And so

(30:52):
that's what someone very smart paid attention. And that's what's going to happen.
I'm not going to play a healat w and I get to actually be
funny there. But it's it's justit makes sense to do and that's why
I that's what I'm saying. Now, there's such a shift with things that
I do. And I haven't saidanything crazy, and I'm definitely not a
que person and I'm not any ofthat kind of stuff. But I've I've

(31:15):
been this consistent like hum that hasnot like sold out. Man, if
I sold out, i'd have amillion followers on Twitter right now. And
I watched those people that go downthat rabbit hole and you know, pretend
that there's some sort of a breakingnews person and sell hope that was not
there and all that kind of stuff. I could have really cashed it on
that stuff you're talking about. Thepeople that literally like the day after the

(31:37):
inauguration were like, we found ballotsthose people. Yeah, I mean that
kind of stuff. Listen when whenthe day after the election, I was
like, listen, it's over.Do I think it was legit? No?
Do I think any of them haveprobably been legit since Kennedy probably not,
but I think, um, youknow, I was immediately convinced that

(31:59):
it was legit the second that theystarted come out going this is all legit,
by the way, and You're like, yeah, it's like you can't
just come out and go by theway. This is I know this looks
bad, but this is all legitbefore anyone even covers it. And then
you start companies like YouTube and Facebookstart coming out and going listen, if
you post content that says that theelection was a fraud, we're just gonna

(32:20):
take it down. And it's like, well, that that looks like it
was a fraud, man, Yeahno. And I looked at Look,
I'll go ahead and say this becauseI would. I've said it privately,
I don't think I've ever said thispublicly. I had a member of Trump's
legal team on the radio with me, and I looked at his legal team,
especially the people who were the faceand you know, one day,
one day one of them was thehottest thing, and then the next day

(32:42):
they didnounce that person, and thenback and forth and the game playing and
whatever else. And I asked amember, somebody who's actually a legitimate attorney
on the radio, what he thoughtabout the team and if they were capable
of, you know, being ableto make any waves in court with what
was going on, and he refusedto answer the question, and I literally
said, so that's a no goodto know. But you know, I

(33:04):
looked at that legal team and I'mlike, okay, so the faces of
it just see like Juliani's out therebecause he's a talking head anyway. But
the other people who were around Giuliani, I was like, you're just trying
to get famous, Like I sawnothing. Like I understand that they they
could have gotten to something in court, but they needed to be realistic with
this for people. And the bottomline is, even if there was something

(33:25):
to be found, which I thinkthere was plenty, a month isn't enough
time to find it, And ofcourse not. And so when they're peddling
like the next big thing is coming. If they lost me at the Kraken,
by the way, they totally lostme at the Kraken, I'm like,
noney, no attorney would say that. Then. I think it was

(33:45):
Jenna Ellis said told somebody they hada small penis or something at some point
on Twitter, And I'm like,what this is not if you're if you're
real, if you're for real,you're not on Twitter telling somebody that they
have a small penis. You're managinga team of people who are pulling in
evidence. Yeah. Yeah, it'suh, you know. It's those kind

(34:05):
of things I think are unfortunate whenthey sort of discredit the credible, the
credible arguments. I feel the sameway about that as I feel about you
know, when when people try tosay in response like the Gena Corno thing,
and they go, well, youknow, Disney has to cancel that
woman and fire her because they're losingmoney, And it's like you and I
both know they don't even know ifthey're losing money for four months, they

(34:29):
don't know if that cost them anymoney. But I will tell you what
did cost them money when a millionpeople or whatever that we're conservative just overnight
canceled their Disney Plus. They noticethey lost money then and they are panicking
and they're realizing like, yeah,there there might be bigger financial consequences to
canceling conservatives than there is to um, you know, not bending to the

(34:51):
mob. Well, apparently her actionfigure was already hard to find and then
hasbro canceled her action figures, herStar Wars whatever, Black Figure and whatever,
and one of the new sales forfive hundred dollars. Yeah, exactly.
It's like you idiots, like howdo you how do you not as
a Hollywood executive? And I guessbecause you're in your own bubble with ESFN,
same with like Democrat politicians. Howdo you not realize that there's such

(35:14):
a large audience out there that justby winking in the direction of you could
make millions of dollars. And thething is, they do know this.
I can say this. I didn'tsign an NDA. I don't think for
this. I could give a shitanyway. But you know, I've had
a bunch of auditions with NBC tobe a host of things. They stopped
about a year ago when things wentfull like anti Trump, but they were

(35:34):
bringing me in because they were like, especially with their Peacock program, they
were like, wait a second.You know, if we get a prominent
conservative that can actually host a TVshow, I bet they people would tune
in and it's like, yeah,dipshits, they would. Well, It's
like when I followed Last Man Standingvery right, really closely, because I
was in their time slot when Ihad Enormous Food of Food Network, and

(35:55):
so we were always buried by thatshow. It was on network, we
were on CABE, but we werein the exact same time slot at eight
eastern, five Pacific, and Iremember getting creamed by that show, but
also being shocked at how many othershows it creamed. As a conservative show,
and it was like when they canceledit, you know, so many
people out here in California were justlike, yeah, you know, well

(36:16):
it's not if it's not making money, and I go, are you kidding
me? That was that was theircash cow. That was by far their
biggest cash cow of a network showon Friday nights. And remember yeah,
yeah, and then they canceled her, and it's just like and the funny
thing is is a lot of peopledon't recognize this, but like all of
the tweets, so like Mike canceling. I don't know if you're familiar with

(36:37):
it, but I said something politicallyunpopular, really just sort of acknowledging how
openly racist you can be towards whitepeople and how accepted that is. And
I did it in a very comedic, hyperbolic way by comparing it to the
N word in twenty eighteen. Andthen what people did was they went back
and found a bunch of old jokesof mine making fun of different races,

(37:00):
is making fun of gay people,making fun of trans people, and then
tried to connect those two things andsay, this person is clearly a racist
and a white supremacist. The thingthat they don't ever stop to realize is
all of those old tweets that wereracial jokes or making fun of gay people
or making there's plenty of making funof white people too, just nobody ever
really looks for those. But allof that stuff was reviewed when I went

(37:22):
to work for Food Network in thefirst place, Like we went through all
of my tweets, my albums,my podcasts, everything, They go through
everything, and their response everything waslike, yeah, we get it,
you're a comedian, Like you're gonnamake this is what comedians do. So
in twenty sixteen, that was theresponse from a major network of yeah,
we get you're a comedian, youknow, and that's you know, that's

(37:45):
it. So they had like questionsabout a couple of things, like well,
what's the context of this one?And some were like replies to threads
that didn't exist anymore, so itdidn't make sense. And they go,
well, hey, like, youknow, if we can clean some of
that stuff up where there's no contextand it's obvious, we'll go in and
delete those for you. And theydid, and I had no problem with
that. But for the most part, they were like, no problem,

(38:05):
Like we get it, you're acomedian whatever. And so when the canceling
happened a couple of years after that, they never made a comment. They
never said anything because they know,I have legal documents that show that we
reviewed my content and you signed offon it, and so there was literally
a background check that said here's allmy social you look at it, and

(38:25):
when we signed the contract, itmeans you're good with this. And so
the reason that companies can't necessarily commenton, you know, these things directly
is because then they would have tothey would be outlining what policy specifically they
say you broke, and then ifthey're not actually adhering to their own code
of conduct or there's inconsistencies in howthat's applied, which there always is,

(38:51):
then they would absolutely open the doorfor a lawsuit. Right. And the
one that was the most obvious tome was Shane Gillis's where I said,
listen, there are documented instances wherecomedians of color the network went in and
cleaned up their messy tweets when thepeople tried to cancel them and didn't fire
them from the show. And youare a straight white male from you know,

(39:13):
the the Trump belt, if youwill, you know rural sort of
suburban Pennsylvania, Philadelphia. That's allvery conservative, right, and they they've
basically publicly fired you for being aracist, and that's clearly outside the lines
of the code of the way they'veenforced the code of conduct with comedians of
other ethnicities and genders. And youknow, I'm sure I didn't know Shame

(39:37):
back then. I only know himthrough social media now, but I'm sure
at the time his team said,listen, you can't sue NBC. You'll
never work again. And then theyfired him and he'll probably never work again.
It's like, so, you know, I do believe that, you
know, conservative comedians have to fightback, we have to know our rights,
we have to get litigious when itmakes sense. But eventually we're just

(39:59):
going to have to overwhelmed the oppositionwith you know, with the reality of
what you said that you know,half the people in this country are conservative,
if not more than that. Yep, no, And that's I agree
with you and all that stuff.I mean, it's it's just wild though,
you know. And there are folkswho are are should be progressive and
should be Democrats who have been shiftedbecause of these issues. Andy Signore one

(40:22):
of them. He was one ofthe founders of screen Junkies, and he
was basically they they created a falseme too scandal with him to get him
out of Screen Junkies, to getcontrol of the company from him, basically
and forced him out. And itwas like awful what happened. And I
think he ended up getting paid veryhandsomely out of it because he's a smart

(40:42):
guy. But that kind of stuffis happening and there, I mean,
the only way you win is byfighting back. Well in the idea too
that like you know, things likeI'll go back. We could probably say
the first real high profile canceling likethat organized to basically strip somebody of their
power, influence and ownership in somethingwas the Donald Sterling case. And the

(41:07):
reality is, if you think DonaldSterling is the only NBA owner that's a
racist, you're out of your fuckingmind, you know. And I always
juggle with that, like you didn'tknow these owners trade by and sell black
people for entertainment and profit. Right, So in some element, if we're
looking at this from thirty thousand feet, there's not a guy who owns an
NFL team that is like woke.It just the principle of what the concept

(41:30):
is assigning of value to an actualhuman being based off of their physical capabilities
is no different than the slave tradeof three hundred four hundred years ago,
right on principle. But the messageof getting rid of a guy like Donald
Sterling is just listen, if youdon't hide, it will make an example

(41:52):
of you. But you're not gettingrid of it at that level at all.
And I say this because and thisis not like a super woke take
from me. This perspective comes fromhaving gone just to like a season ticket
holder event for football team. Ihosted a charity event a few years back
and watching just how season ticket holdersspeak to athletes and look at them when

(42:14):
they speak to them and everything like, there is a lot of like trading
livestock vibe to the way that peoplewho feel like they have ownership and a
sports franchise actually view the players.It's pretty fucking gross. And by the
way, that's not racially exclusive,because the rich, wealthy black guys who
also had season tickets behave the sameway. So it is sort of this

(42:36):
weird sociological psychological thing when people feellike they have ownership in something that directly
involves athletes, right But where Iwas going with that is there's a lot
of those things out there that's sortof like this. It's a ghost.
You would have to shadow box theworld to think that you're going to fight
that, because it's really about asubconscious way of looking at the world than

(43:01):
somebody being an actual racist in theirday to day behavior and what they're actually
doing, and they're actually out toharm people. And so if you try
to like dig that out of everyperson in society, if you dig deep
enough, you'll find it in everyone. Yep. There, it lives in
every person in some way or another, from the guy who owns a basketball

(43:22):
team all the way to the womanwho crosses the street and clutches a purse
when she sees a darker person thanher. Right. So, um,
you know, it's it's it's aweird thing to try to um differentiate which
people are villains in which people areheroes, in that quality of human beings
and that quality of humanity. Yeah, I have nothing to add with that.

(43:43):
I'm like, I mean, it'slike where when you make a good
point, I'm like, you know, I don't need to talk to talk
you. You nailed there. Youmake a very very interesting point with that.
Of course, you know South Parkcovered the slave trade with Ncuba players,
which is even worse because oh yeah, oh it's players getting money.
Um, you know, it's it'sit's freaking crazy. Yeah, And that's
the differentiation too. I also whenplayers come out and go this is like

(44:07):
modern day slavery, It's like,well, it's not when you're being enriched
beyond ninety five percent of the populace. I don't know if you could really
call it slavery, but is thereis Does it feel that way in the
way that you're treated. Yeah,that I've seen, and I believe it
one hundred percent. And that justbecause it basically because like you said,
you're becoming a millionaire in doing it. It doesn't mean that the bedside manner

(44:30):
gets to go out the window andthat you can be spoken to that way
or treated that way. And sowhen I think about like the Kaepernick thing,
number one, I was a guywho I didn't believe Colin Kaepernick really
kneeled or sat for the reasons helater claimed to I think I you know,
I followed that closely because I wasa Chip Kelly fan and he had

(44:54):
been fired from the Eagles sent tothe Niners, and there was a lot
of smoke that Chip Kelly as aracist because the team somehow had more white
guys on it when he was coaching, which was like thirteen out of sixty,
right too many apparently, And thenwhen he went to the Niners,
that was sort of this stinky legacythat followed him from Philadelphia. And so

(45:15):
I knew when Kaepernick sort of satbecause he was pissed that he got benched,
and then later was like, yeah, it's about injustice. It's about
what's happening in this country. Andthen sort of like you could tell when
somebody's building a story while they're talking, and you could definitely see him doing
that in that first press conference,and then they saw you making this gesture.
Obviously he was like, oh,now I can just be this guy

(45:37):
and pivot and go down this room. We don't know how long that Nike
deal was in development with him.That's I mean, the fact that he's
getting paid to be I mean,he's not even an athlete him to be
like a woke shoe salesperson. Imean, that's like, you know,
I mean, it's crazy to me. Do you watch the show on HBO

(45:57):
Euphoria. Na. There's a greateven if you don't watch the show.
There was an episode they released aroundChristmas, and it's a one location and
it's the main girl played by Zendiawith her drug sponsor. Who Endia I
think white man get it right.So anyway, do you know what her

(46:19):
last name is, by the way, Jones or something, was it Smith's
It's Franklin. But okay, uhthat's me. Yeah, I'm the racist.
But anyway, so Zendia Michelle Franklinor something, yeah, uh,
But anyway, she's sitting down andtalking. There's it's an amazing, amazing
bit of acting. It's it's oneof the best hours of television ever made.

(46:43):
And it's all one location, somuch dialogue. But her sponsor is
like, you know that the uhBLM stuff that's posted all over Nike,
like that's a work too, that'sjust marketing and and the shoes are still
overpriced, and it's so Black livesmatter, Lower your prices so that your
black customers can afford them. I'mbutchering the dialogue but basically spells out that,

(47:07):
uh, you're you're being equally manipulatedby both sides, and nobody there
really gives a shit about it anyway. By the way, I just I
just fact check you. It's actuallySendiah Marie Stormer. Coleman, Oh,
Coleman. Yeah, see, we'reboth wrong. But also it's really creepy
that she's twenty four years old andshe looks like she's fifteen. That's really

(47:28):
creepy to me. But no,you're right, yeah, Coleman. Yeah,
I thought it was Franklin. Goddamn it. Now we're both wrong.
I'm gonna go in and edit it. Uh it's Franklin now yeah.
Yeah, I'm gonna go into herWikipedia and goes it's rumored that it's actually
Frankly. Don't by the way,don't get me started on um. And
we're not going to do this becauseI can go down the whole rabbit hole
of actresses and singers who look likethey're twelve and are branded as such.

(47:52):
That really creeps me out, LikeI started to sound like a que person.
Well when you get me into that, do you know Adam Enzer?
No, I don't know how Adam. Adam Enzer is a conservative comedian.
He's actually a writer for Ellen andhe was on my show a couple episodes
ago, but he we were.I had him on a podcast where he
came over my place many years ago, and I was saying, I was,

(48:14):
I brought up this subject. Isaid, why is it like if
a guy is caught with a womanwho passes for thirty and turns out she's
fifteen, we call that guy apedophile, we send him to prison.
But a guy, if a guyis with a woman who looks twelve and
just happens to be twenty one oreighteen, nobody bats an eye about that

(48:36):
at all, right, And andthen he said, yeah, if you
think about it, the girl who'son to catch a predator as the bait
who's actually like twenty six, shegoes home to a boyfriend who legally fucks
her every night. He goes.That guy, whether he knows it or
not, won the pedophile lottery becausehe gets the woman who's twenty six who

(48:57):
looks twelve. And then it's agreat But he was like, we should.
It was one of those things wheretwo comedians are riffing and neither of
us can decide who should take thebit, and it just sort of stayed
out there. But it very muchis a bit like stolen. I'm doing.
I'm using that on tour. That'samazing, But it's amazing, right
like that that is the guy whothe guy who to catch a predator bait
girl goes home to won the pedophilelottery. How many guys did you?

(49:21):
Yeah, you think he's like,hey, um, just just leave your
outfit on when you come home today. Yeah, you know the cookie monster
sh Yeah, he asks her ifshe can leave some cookies on the table
and go in the other room havea seat. Yeah. So, but
it's it is funny that you mentionedthat is we and that's you get into
a you sort of get into thisweird conundrum of like what is socially acceptable.

(49:45):
It's the same argument I make aboutbeing very pro life, as I
say, well, listen, whenwe talk about whether or not abortion should
be legal or illegal, we firsthave to establish what is the purpose of
law. If the purpose of lawis to protect human beings and reserve their
independent, inalienable, inalienable rights ascitizens of this country, then you have

(50:06):
to do that for unborn children aswell, right, so that they can
be born and make their own decisionsand they essentially have the same freedoms and
opportunities are that everyone is supposedly granted, and it wasn't until Adam Yenza,
for instance, kind of spell thatout to me and said, well,
if you're a libertarian and you believein people having independent freedoms and the ability

(50:29):
to choose for themselves, why wouldyou let somebody choose whether or not another
person gets to live in any circumstance. And I said, okay, that
makes sense. But on the flipside, it's like, well, then
you have to guess you have togo then do we have the right to
kill people under the death penalty?And you know, at what point does
somebody forfeit their right to their inalienablerights? Right? Well, typically people

(50:53):
who are on death row killed somebody, so we don't usually yes, Yeah,
yeah, I don't. I don'tthink anybody's been you know, you
the three strikes and you're out,you know, jay walking. Yeah.
Man, if if it wasn't forthat sixteenth DUI, I would not be
walking to Green Mile. Yeah.I mean there's like, you know,
there's a by the way, ifthey did execute on DUIs, the population

(51:14):
of Wisconsin would be two, thepopulation of DC would be yeah, three,
three or four? Yeah. No, Um, I don't know how
far we got off of this.Let's get back to how China Fronto's cute.
Um, Like, I feel likethat's going to be the sole remainder
of the show. No, Ijust you know, you're right though,

(51:36):
they you know, to talk aboutcancel culture and what Disney, the opportunity
Disney had with her and Blue becausethey're stupid and they're they're two woke for
their own good. Um. Youknow, it's like they hate their audience
and they hate women. I mean, you're right, she doesn't look like
a normal U waify chick who's onTV. And then there's you know,
they're always looking for They always pushthese like morbidly obese women. I always

(52:00):
love that they go to the extremeson this stuff. So like Cosmo has
these morbidly obased women on and likethe one like was like I'm on the
cover Cosmo. I'm gonna eat acake with the cover Cosmo and it's like,
okay, we get it. Youprobably have gout and you're gonna die
of whatever. Yeah, like that'sridiculous, but like a normal woman and
Gena Karnos not a normal woman.She could murder everybody with her bare hands,

(52:20):
even if she stopped working out forthe rest of her life. But
she looks like a normal woman.Yeah, and they had a real because
there's no way I can't. Canyou name another Disney celebrity or another star
Wars or anybody who looks like anormal woman well and even just like sexy,
feminine Like the other person I wouldput in this category too that has
that kind of energy is like RachelRay, right, Rachel Rachel Ray is

(52:45):
like the hottest wife at the companyPicnic. And I would say the same
thing about Gina Corano, right,like Gina Krano is And the thing that
makes her I think so so muchmore sexy is that sort of attainability factor,
whether or it's personality or energy orwhatever. I think part of what

(53:05):
people love about her and what peopleloved about Rohonda Rowsy is there is like
a very down to earth vibe aboutthem. They're not like a Zendaya for
instance, Zenda whatever you want tocall her. Uh, I wouldn't call
her the way that she says hername. Um, yeah, I don't
know. I thought it was anyway. Um, I'll bring I'll bring the
misses in. Who's an expert oncelebrities and she'll tell us. But but

(53:28):
yeah, you know, like thereis an element of when you see a
girl who's like six f feet talland in ninety two pounds where you just
go like, that's not a realperson. That's a supermodel and she will
live on magazine covers and I willnever know her in real life. And
the thing that I think makes someonelike a Gina a star is that there's
this sexiness to her that is aquality of this is a woman I could

(53:50):
meet in real life. This isa real person. No you don't think
no, no, see it's it'sdifferent from I don't. I don't she
just looks normal because like you know, she just looks normal. But no,
I don't get that like you canmeet her in real life thing.
Because so the thing that does itfor me with Roda Rolsey and her is
that I can mouth off and getaway with saying anything to anybody. And
I feel like if I said thewrong thing to then they I'd be like

(54:10):
they just I'd die, they wouldkill Like you like the imminent threat of
violence from I like the imminent threatlike like there's not there there are very
few people that can keep my mouthand check it's why I'm tim runs his
mouth and I was gonna say,you're like, you're like these girls with
rape fantasies whose sex lives have beenruined by me too. Oh my god,

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that way so far, by theway, very odd that women.
That's a whole nother talk too.We're gonna keep off of that because you
could. The thing is, Iused to work blue as a comic,
which is very fun. If Iever run for office or anything like that,
there's hours of footage of me onstage, um saying everything awful,
and I have to stop myself.One of my very good friends in town
here, he's like, your yourTwitter is very tame compared to you,

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and I go, yes, it'sincredibly tame compared to me. Mark.
By the way, yeah, shoulduse it as the joke notebook that I
did for the first ten years inmy career. Well, I mean I
did, like I think there waslike I've got some dumb stuff on there,
but I always just kind of keptit in check, and I was
I knew that I kind of feltlike the woke thing was coming. I
can't say that I knew it wascoming, but I had a feeling the

(55:17):
woke thing was coming. So Iwas a Young Member chair at the National
Press Club in twenty ten and whenthat's so, I represented all media under
the age of twenty five, sorry, under thirty five for about two years,
and I kind of saw where itwas going, and so I was
very judicious with what I put upthere. I was I was paying attention
to that kind of stuff. Butlike when you get me on stage at

(55:38):
whatever, I'd say, whatever thefuck, And a lot of that still
goes through my head. So likethe you know, like the rape fantasy
joke or whatever line that you said, Like I you'll never catch me saying
that here. You'll get it liveon stage maybe, and that's it'll be
very fun when my like pro clutchyfans and people who don't realize that I
cuss all the time show up tosee me live. And yeah, I

(55:59):
think that happened with Rosie Donald.Actually, when Rosy o'donald had her Cushball
show, Um, you know,she'd have fans show up to see her
live and she'd cuss a bunch andtalk about sex on stage and they're like,
wait a second, we accept weexpected you know, slide whistle jokes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, weexpected Roseanne Connor, not Roseanne Barr
right, and well no Rosey o'donald. Oh, oh, Rosie o'donald.

(56:22):
For some reason, I said Roseanne, Well because they sound the same.
By the way, I have aRosie o'donald doll over like I'm literally looking
at it right now, stole inbox? Is that a problem? You have
an unboxed Rosie o'donald doll. SoI just moved and like, I've got
a bunch of stuff. I feellike it would be more concerning if it
were unboxed. Nice. The resemblanceis uncanny. Oh shit, it's supposed

(56:52):
to say something, but apparently hervoice is now died, died in transport,
but she's out of battery. Youcan see all my nerds stuff behind
me. By the way, ifthat, if that thing comes to life
and murders you, I am goingto be terrified that we started a new
genre of horror leaving I am yeah, that is what. Please tell me

(57:15):
that was gifted to you by attendinga taping of a talk show and not
something you bought. This is Igot it at a thrift store for like
two bucks. But it's about toget beaten to death with a hammer.
Yeah, that's nice. Save thatas a bonus, Save that as a
bonus content. I'm not I'm notcurrently hitting the button on that thing.

(57:38):
So and it's still going a typicalwell that's how it starts. That's how
it starts, typical fucking broads.I'm kind of like, now, I'm
kind of freaked out. I threwit into my spare bedroom here. I'm
kind of freaked out. It's onlygoing to stay in there until it murders
you later. So I was waitingfor the ten people that are still watching,

(58:00):
I will know that the doll didit in a couple in a couple
of days. So anyway, Yeah, sorry about that. I just that's
okay. No, it's gonna showyou. It's good that somebody knows what
really happened so that it's not unsolvedforever. The uh no, what I
was saying about that the biggest onethroughout history has to be Bob Saget right
to go from full House too.Then if anybody who's seen him do live

(58:22):
comedy is like, oh my god, I love his stuff. It's his
blue stuff is so good and he'sso quick with it. But you know,
I think when he became a biggerstar, his whole shick and I
would have done the same thing.Was you know, Danny Tanner would have
never said this or whatever. YouGod bless him though he did great.
Yeah, he had a tremendous wayto kind of pivot that and make it

(58:44):
work in that time. Um,you know, but I think, you
know, I don't know about you, but I feel excited, Like I'm
probably more excited as a comedian aboutwhere we're at right now than I was,
you know, at any point inmy career up until now, just
because it's this there's this weird sortof liberation, you know, when you're
at a point like where I'm at, where there's really nothing that anybody can

(59:07):
take away from me or cancel everythingthat I do and own everything I do,
I own it lives on a channelwhere uh, you know, like
locals completely governed by people with commonsense who you don't have some strange agenda
to determine or edit what gets tolive there. Um, you know,

(59:28):
So there is this sort of likeweird liberating feeling of of sort of like
you're in them. It's almost likeI feel like I've woken up in the
matrix. Does that make sense whereI'm like, oh, it's it's not
my body, this isn't long.This is an air that I'm breathing.
Like everything that happens is a resultof what I do or what I create
or what I put into the world. And there's it's a very liberating feeling.

(59:52):
Yes, no, it is.I'm with you on that, Like
I, Um, you're right,yeah, it's like we're uncancellable at this
point. By the way, thatwebsite is not a available because I was
looking at it for the name ofthe tour, but like I like,
so it's like it really like atthis point, you can't take anything away
from me. You never gave meanything to begin with, like you know,
Um, and I think there aremore people, you know, who

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are going to I think Hollywood wakesup. I think things are going to
slowly change, and there's there arevery interesting things in the rising, especially
for me. Like I have beenapproached by some folks about maybe starting my
own production company as well, andit's like because I and I wouldn't be
the CEO of it, I'd bechief creative for this kind of stuff.
But there's a lot of money outthere there's a lot of people and the
conservative side, there are a lotof big names. There are a lot

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of big celebrities that are just sittingaround waiting for something to happen. And
it's just when were these first moverscome along and create a conservative product that
is into a family movie about youknow, stopping someone from having an abortion
or how they you know, needto save Christmas? Because I'm tired of
the same goddamn. Yeah, that'sthe problem with That's the problem with stuff
that gets labeled as conservative content isthat it becomes too much propaganda the other

(01:00:59):
way right, Like it's immediately Yeah. The thing in terms of like I've
always said this about comedy, likeif I'm ever trying to tell people what
to think, I'm missing my mission. Like my job as a comedian,
as I've always seen it is toget people to challenge or question how they
think and you know, look atthemselves and go, am I being hypocritical?
Is the world hypocritical? Do Iapply these same rules to myself that

(01:01:22):
I expect other people to live bythose types of things? But I'm never
going to tell you what that is. I always try to lay breadcrumbs and
let people arrive at their own conclusionsof where their hypocrisies lie, where their
absurdity lies, and then let them, you know, take from it what
they will. But I think partof the problem with a lot of conservative
content, I'll even go conservative content, is that it becomes propaganda. The

(01:01:45):
other way, they're trying to makeyou Christian, they're trying to make you
you know, you know, prolife or whatever. It's like, you
know, make a good and bythe way, you can do that,
but just make a compelling piece ofart. Don't don't call it Touched by
an Angel Productions and have Kirk Camerongive a forty five minute, you know,
lecture at the beginning of the movieabout the importance of following the Bible

(01:02:08):
before I just let them art speakfor itself. And that's where I think,
you know, the right sucks atcreativity is that because they don't have
it, they while they lead withmessage instead of absurdity and funny and humor.
Yeah no, And you're a thousandpercent right on that. And that's
unfortunately why my career has done quitewell with creative and I do a lot

(01:02:30):
of I mean, it's been weird, so like I've done a lot of
things with lobbyists. I've done alot of stuff with members of Congress and
punched up speeches and stuff like that. So I've come from the very very
political realm, and of course mystand up is it's pretty much like a
live daily show and so like I'mkind of in that like circle. But
we've I've started to play around withother ventures and if people pay attention,
you'll see kind of where they are. I don't want to get too deep

(01:02:50):
into it, but it's interesting whocame out of the woodwork, and it's
interesting to see like where funding isand I mean it's it's crazy. It's
it's like this is going to happen. And in the next few years,
this stuff is going to happen.I think the culture shifts, and it's
got to come from people like youand I, um, you know,
and and a Corona who's in areally good space. I hope she takes
the money from the Daily Wire andthen runs and starts her own company.

(01:03:13):
Um, but you know, it'sgot to come from from that that's not
regulated by the same regulators and thesame billionaires who are pro colletchers, who
you know, still hang on tocertain things and want to hear see so
Denista susan movie, God bless DenistaSusa. He's got his own stick.
Um. Yeah. And and andby the way, he makes some very
great points in some of his movies, like really really great points. But

(01:03:36):
it's all the same thing. Yeah, um, and you know what you're
getting and it's it's just not shiftingand like he serves. Look, and
I don't want anybody who listens thisto think that I'm knocking him. I
think he's great. I think hedoes his thing, and he's got his
lane and he's he's mastered it.He is that guy that is there and
he's he's got that figured out.But that's just not that's not going to
convince anybody from the left to comeover. Um. And it doesn't really

(01:03:57):
convince people in the middle. Andit gets it's the base going and it
makes a lot of money. It'sgreat, but you know it's um.
Creating something that is wholly entertainment firstand not political based is where we need
to be. And uh, youknow, like I said, I think
you're you get it. I thinkmore important, more and more people are
getting it. Um. But uh, you know, it's it's also you

(01:04:19):
have to kind of be willing torisk things as well, rather than you
know, there's easy money for peoplewho want to stay the course and uh
and hit those bullet points the waythat the donors want you to hit them
for now, for now, untilyou know, until it till it shifts
again. I mean, you know, Uh, it's funny. Um,

(01:04:40):
I was I had something I wasgoing to say about George Carlin, and
now I forget what the funk Iwas talking. He was on top of
everything. That's one of the albumsI have framed on. I haven't put
it up on my wall yet.Oh, I was gonna say, Um,
you know part of the reason heattests that. You know, if
you asked Carlin, I think itwas on a Larry King interview. Larry
King was like, when did youknow, essentially, when did you feel
like you became who people see youas today? What was the turning point

(01:05:01):
in your career? And you know, Carlin famously didn't feel that he had
gotten good until he was in hisfifties, And you know, he distinctly
said, the moment I got betterat bringing the truth into comedy was when
I no longer cared about the outcomeof humanity. I no longer cared which
side one. I no longer caredwhich side lost, and I was able

(01:05:23):
to sort of stay in the middleand make commentary about what's awful all the
way around the board, or what'shypocritical or what's absurd. And I think
to some degree it doesn't mean thatnihilism has to be the backbone of what
you do. But I do thinkyou have to throw caution to the wind
creatively and create from a place ofnot caring what the outcome is. Yeah,

(01:05:45):
no, I'm that's where all comedyhas to start from, or else
it's not authentic, I mean,and not many people do that anymore.
Just put it that way. Well, are there any do you have any
curveball surprises that you think could happenin the next year before we get out
of here. What do you mean, like we're gonna get locked in concentration
camps for free speech or well,I don't think it's going to be like

(01:06:06):
that, but that could be one. I mean, is there anything you
feel like But is there anything youfeel like it is coming that people aren't
expecting. I mean, no,I think sadly we're gonna be on the
same kind of drumbeat for a bituntil you get some people who are willing
to step up and drop coin anddo new things. I mean, like,

(01:06:28):
I'll be real with you, likeI have kept my distance from a
lot of things and a lot ofpeople and kind of stayed my own course
and met my own folks and gotmy own contacts that are kind of not
necessarily in politics but are conservative,and I have started to get motivated by
what they're seeing. And if there'sa curveball, I mean not to be
like an egomaniac here, but ifthere's a curveball, it's going to come

(01:06:48):
from something probably I'm working on withthis kind of stuff. I think there's
starting something new that not unless youput that doll down the disposal. It's
that thing got to get I needto put. It's gonna put a halt
to the plans real quick. Itstopped. It stopped talking, by the
way. But I won't sleep alltonight, and I mean that seriously.

(01:07:09):
Um. But no, I look, there's there's stuff, you know,
outside of the same. You know, there's a lot more billionaires than the
five who have been active in politics. We'll put it that way, and
there's more. There's more that canbe done than you know, getting a
bunch of kids together like they doa turning point you are saying, saying

(01:07:29):
the same talking points or going toSeapack. You know, I was director
of market Seapack I think is thisweek and I was director of marketing and
Digital Seapack five years ago. AndI never thought Seapack moved the ball for
anything. It was just a placeto show up and you know where conservative
kids pretend that they're you know,not banging each other, and they show
up and hear the same stump speechas we've heard over and over again.
It doesn't move the ball. Movingthe ball involves actually creating something new that

(01:07:54):
isn't conservative forward like you said,or isn't Republican or religious forward, but
is on the back end and doesn'teven have to mention it. You just
have good people doing good things.I mean, I almost said something,
but like, there's there's a lotof stuff that's out there that is very
popular right now that is mainly conservative, and those folks are waking up,

(01:08:17):
and they're waking up in a hurry, and the selection woke them up and
they realize that culture needs to shiftbecause we've lost education from the time being
and so you know, and nowthat we're the counterculture, there's a lot
of money to be made in ittoo. Yeah. I love I love
that label. I loved it whenCarlin used it all through his career,
and I think it's very applicable towhere I think a lot of us feel

(01:08:39):
like we lie right now is definitelycounterculture. Yeah, and you know,
and I think I'm I'm most excitedabout how that manifest in forms of comedy.
You know, I think we talkedabout this a bit before the show,
but I think a lot of theclubs, the traditional sort of comedy
clubs that book based off of theseagency talent reels, and you know,

(01:08:59):
they've basically they're ordering off a menuright of what the industry is feeding them.
I think they're going to be verylate and I think some alternative venues
or some new kind of comedy venueswe'll call them counterculture clubs, are going
to pop up, speakeasies, whateveryou want to call them, are really
going to lead the surge in theway comedy continues to grow moving forward.
I think we are very much backin the late sixties, early seventies.

(01:09:24):
As far as comedy goes in termsof how it will be experienced live,
I think it'll be in much smallerintimate venues sort of more there'll be more
of a grunginess to it than Ithink there has been in the past.
And you know, while we didn'tnecessarily come out of a suit and tie
comedy boom, in a lot ofways, it is sort of that way

(01:09:45):
in an official narrative way of like, well, they're not necessarily suit and
thaie comics, but they're definitely vanillaas fuck comedians when it comes to who
had been in rotation heavily at theseclubs before the shutdown, And now I
think people are starting to wake up, Like, you know, the only
reason that those people sell out onthe weekends is because there isn't another club

(01:10:09):
in town or venue in town witha more interesting comedian at the same time.
And I think you're going to startseeing more competition that way, and
those clubs are either going to haveto adapt or die. They're going to
realize that their guy who was onthe Tonight Show seven years ago, eight
years ago and had a small roleon a sitcom cannot outsell the guy who

(01:10:30):
has a fucking fire podcast who isinto conspiracy theories, you know what I
mean. Yeah, and has afucking following. And that guy is also
funnier than the person who's in themainstream comedy club. Yeah. No,
And that's what's actually kind of interesting. You know, Chrissy Mayer and I
are going on tour together here comingup at the end of April. Man,

(01:10:54):
I don't have to look at mycalendar. I should know probably whant
to do a podcast what we're doing. I mean where I worked constantly,
It's like I'll be there at somepoint. Yeah. But you know,
I think it was like six orseven clubs booked us immediately. Uh.
And and the booking person was like, what the hell, I've never gotten

(01:11:15):
that quick of a response from theseclubs. Um, they should have told
me where they were booking me firstand when it would have been good to
coordinate. But still, look,it's great look and people jumped on it,
and I'm like, I was itwas just why it's wild? The
response is wild. Um. AndI'm excited to go out and be a
real piece of shit in front ofpeople, um, and then have really

(01:11:36):
shitty merch. I'm very excited aboutshitty merch and that's what's that's the most
important thing, is that, like, yeah, that's the core of what
it is to be a comedian.By the way, is shitty merch?
Yeah? No, And I I'mliterally I went to the T shirt place
as a T shirt place up thestreet from me today and pray some things
out and the shirts might actually sayshitty merch on them, right. Yeah,

(01:11:59):
But yeah, man, is thereanything else you want to obviously got
some dates coming up their website youwant to plug or anything where people can
find you and get access to umthose dates when they come available, they
can buy tickets, come see youguys. No, don't. I don't
know what it is like I did. I did. I did the Blaze
TV with Chrissy last week kind ofat I want a whim Like. I
called in because they they needed somebody, like I'm a really good seat filler

(01:12:23):
on shows, which is kind offun, Like they're like, hey,
you know, last minute, nobody'shere, can you come into a shirt?
Yeah, And so because I wantedChrissy to get the exclamation points and
be the funny one on the show. And so I came in and I
was like, do we even havea website where all the things are,
and she's like, it's only Chrissymayerdot com or something like cool. If
you're not a spell her name,I do, I'll throw it in the
banners and go and get tickets tocome see us. We're we're gonna be

(01:12:46):
everywhere. Um, and I'm gonnahave shoot marsh. Yeah, people can
go to Chrissy's website to get tickets. That comes to you, guys.
I just love somebody who's not evenhere. Yeah. Look, she's cool
and lovest great. Yeah, she'sgot a great She's got a couple of
good podcasts, so the wet Spot, and she's also got her podcast,
Wait, that's not her podcast,the wet Spot, No it is.
She's got that's on compound. Andthen she also has the Chrissy Mayor podcast

(01:13:10):
that there's two, Yes, there'sseveral. I don't know. I listen,
I don't. I don't know anythingabout anything. I'm the worst.
I look, I just I don'tknow, well what I know how to
do. I just moved on Februaryfirst in my new place, this place,
and I uh, I know howto put a real good bookshelf together.
So I'm gonna have a fallback job. I've put together like seven bookshelves.

(01:13:32):
You're gonna be a task rabbit intothe new line I am. That's
where I'm going, like, that'sthat's where my career ends up anyway,
unless they cancel me. They're gonnabe like, we can't have a conservative
put our bookshelves together. Yeah,right, that'll be. That'll be where
people draw the political line. I'mgonna just gonna go stand actually, forget
task rabbit. I'm like, OGM, We're gonna stand in the parking lot
at the home depot and get pickedup in the back of a pickup on
there there. First of all,everyone's gonna think you're undercover. Everyone's gonna

(01:13:55):
think you're an undercover agent who's thereto catch people. Yeah. They're gonna
be like, which country are youfrom? May and you're like, uh,
Bolivia, Iceland, yeah, Iceland, Yeah, Yeah, it's uh
yeah, this is That's probably whenwhen the uh, the immigrants will know

(01:14:16):
that the country is going to ship. Is when white dudes are starting to
stand in line at home depot nextnot far from it. This is DC's
bad, not far from it.Yeah, are you here to hire us,
No, I'm here to work.I feel like somebody did that sketch
where they were like a white guytrack and they and they got run out
of there. Didn't somebody do so? I've seen two. One was these
the guy was picking up people andhe would drive them to an ice detention

(01:14:40):
center. That was Ari Shaffer.That was the amazing racist when he took
the truck directly to the immigration office. Yeah, I don't know where I
am on that. And then uh, you know, Dwight. They introduced
a character on the Office by pickingthem up at a day laborer thing in
front of the home depot. Dwight'sassistant picked up Oh, that's right,
that's right, I remember that.That's God's There's There's so many deep cuts

(01:15:04):
of the Office that I don't rememberuntil people point them out to me.
And they're also sort of like scenesfrom classic shows like that get stuck in
the back of your brain like arepressed memory. I saw an episode of
another show the other day where someguy was making chili and was holding the
pot and he was shaking like this, and I immediately flashed to Kevin spilling

(01:15:24):
the chili all over the carpet inthe office. So, by the way,
on topic, one of the showsthat I used to love it was
a British comedy called Balls of Steel. Jeversy balls of Steel, I didn't
know, okay, So I wouldrecommend anybody go take a look at Balls
of Steel. So they had afew sketches on there that are amazing,
and I'll I want to tell youabout them because I'm very excited about this.
And then uh, you know,then we've really digressed. But then

(01:15:45):
we've closed. We've closed strong,as they say in the comedy world.
The one that everyone should go lookup, that's all on YouTube. It's
called The Angry Black on Balls ofSteel, and it was a black guy
who was offended by anything that soundedthe black or offensive. So like he
would stand at the park or thegrass next to a sign that's his stay
off the grass, and a copwould walk by and be like, hey,
sir, can you stay off thegrass? He goes you telling me

(01:16:08):
I'm on on weed. I gottaget off weed because of black and like
that kind of stuff like they wouldset up. It was remarkable. So
they had that one. They hadone called Bunny Boiler where this girl who
was kind of hot like a hotcomic chick where wear a bikini at the
beach and then walk up to likesome very obvious couple, like a dopey
looking guy and like just flirt withhim in front of the girl until the
girl like almost fodder, which Ithought was amazing. Why the show was

(01:16:30):
called Balls of Steel. And thenthey had one that was called like Tricky
Devil I think was the the otherone, and he I think so he
was a guy dressed as in adeble costume and he would just go around
and do very inconvenient things to people. And my favorite was he went into
a parking lot somewhere and painted everyparking space handicapped and so that stuff.

(01:16:51):
I'm telling you that was one ofthe most genius shows on television. But
the angry black sketch on Balls ofSteel is literally what's happening right now,
and it's it's remarkable to me.Yeah, there's there was a lot of
those sort of sketch shows that addressedthat did it really really in a really
funny way. I mean, Chappelleshow was iconic from that regard of doing

(01:17:13):
sort of the black white supremacist andthe thing I loved just sort of observational
callouts of like the Mad Real World, which was probably my favorite sketch of
theirs, where it was like,instead of being one black guy in a
housefold white people, it was onewhite guy and a housefold black people.
And that was one of the funniestsketches ever that they did on that show.
I feel like that one gets overlookedfor the Rick James and the Clayton

(01:17:38):
Bigsby sketches. I think the MadReal World was probably the funniest thing they
did on that show. A RacialDraft was pretty funny. To Racial Draft
was good, yeah, Bill andBill Burr being one of the commentators of
the Racial Draft was pretty great.Yeah. And then of course like the
training Day Wayne Brady stuff was reallyfunny. You know, there was a
lot of it. But that's that'swhat sketch to me was supposed to be,

(01:18:00):
is like, you know, usingpeople's assumptions against them. Like I
have a bit that I do inmy act where I talk about how lazy
I am, and I come aroundto the point of like, man,
I'm gonna be honest with you guys. If it were legal, I would
totally have slaved. And the audiencewill often get very tired, you'll hear
groans, and I just at thatpoint go like, I just want to
point out to you, guys,I didn't stay what color they'd be.
You just guessed that's so smart,the which makes you racist. And then

(01:18:26):
I go into a whole thing abouthow nowadays there would be so many people
that would make better slaves. Forinstance, gay guys. When you look
at the job description, you justget to stand out in the sunshine all
day, picking out fabrics, alittle bit of light, s and m.
You're chained up to a bunch ofother hot sexy dudes. I mean,
I might have just described slavery,but I also just described abbot Kinney

(01:18:46):
on a Saturday, so or notabbot Kinny, goddamn it, the the
the abbey on a Saturday. Andyeah, this is this is how rusty
I am, by the way,and not being on stage during COVID,
but anyway, my being, Ithink the best comedy is subversive. It
uses people's assumption in bias against themto make them laugh and go, oh

(01:19:06):
my god. The most fucked upabout part about that joke is me,
I'm The most fucked up part aboutthat joke is because it's based on what
I think or what I assume aboutpeople. Yeah, no, I agree
with you and all that stuff.You know, I grew up in the
hood in Multimore. A lot ofpeople don't believe that, and so literally
in the hood, like we werethe white family, and so that's a

(01:19:28):
very interesting I do very very interestingbits on that. And I was asked
to play MLK and my third gradeMartin Luther King, like the the entire
elementary school, and there were blackkids to choose from. Yeah, I
believe I believe there were. Andthere's a black teacher that chose me.
So like there's like a very likewhat a weird anyway, we can talk
about this forever. Wrap it up. We're wrapped up. Man is wrapped

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up. Everybody. Check out Timruns his mouth on Twitter. You can
see his tag right there. BecauseTim doesn't want to plug a website for
his dates, you could go toChrissymayer dot com. I don't know,
I have to buy the fucking website. I don't know where to put this
fucking like, I don't know where, Like I'm I'm coming out, like
look where Tim Young is and makesure it's this one. Listen I'm not

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the one that does cruise ships.Yeah, I listen. I bet we
could sell that Rosie o'donald doll toa trans athlete. And we can pay
for your website registration to redirect peopleto Chrissie's calendar for your upcoming dates.
Uh yes, Timmy, thanks somuch for coming on and uh hanging out

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with us today. Man, Iappreciate it. Thanks for having me love Yeah,