October 14, 2025 • 10 mins
Attorney General Todd Rokita joins Tony Katz + the Morning News to talk about fighting back against the lawfare being used on him, similar to Donald Trump. He also gives insight into why he’s having his upcoming meeting with the Border Czar Tom Homan.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The popcorn moment. Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go.
It's a story you need to hear to believe. Then
grab your popcorn, because there is more. You've got Tom Homan,
he's the borders are coming to town. You have serious
conversations about a law enforcement and then you have a
(00:20):
subject I was discussing earlier, which is basically lawfair. The
Attorney General of Indiana, Todd Raketa, joins us right now.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It was.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
The Indiana Supreme Court dismissing this complaint.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You have been a victim of lawfair.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
You have seen lawfair take place, as we have all
discussed regarding indictments against then candidate Trump now President Trump.
Is is there an effective way to fight the lawfair
outside of well, it's just gonna cost you a whole
bunch of.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Money to do out.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, Tony, it's really a ridiculous it's part of a
national playbook.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
First of all, a lot of my colleagues around the
country have come under the same attacks. And so you know,
the people of Indiana elected me in a record number,
and I say that humbly and out of a great
deal of appreciation, more votes than than in the history
of the States than any other candidate in the Democrat
(01:30):
Activists of the Year. Okay, here in Indiana, he was
literally given an award think in twenty eighteen or something
like that, for by the Indiana Democratic Party for being
the Democrat.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Actists of the Activists of the Year.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Is responsible for starting five, at least five of the
seven investigations that have been done on me by this
disciplinary commission that meets in secret, not elected by anybody,
that tried and probably will continue to try to take
to reverse the intent of over a million Hoosiers and
(02:06):
nearly two million Hoosiers who voted me into office.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
And that's what's going on.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So they can't stop me at the ballot box, or
they can't stop me in court, so they try to
take away my law license. And it's exactly right, Tony,
the very same thing that they try to do, well,
not the very same thing, but like the same thing
they try to do to President Trump. Now they went
after him in the criminal sense. This isn't criminal, but
it has the same effect stopping policymakers from doing the
(02:32):
job that people elected them to do.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Do you see with this latest dismissal, do you see
an end in sight for this or is your office
just geared up the loins girded if you will, you know,
something else will drop at some time.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Well, you know, we'll see if I mean. The Supreme
Court was pretty stern when they gave the order for
us to mediate, which is something that's never been another
thing that's never been done in the history of these cases,
because I think the Supreme Court saw what a stinker
for Disciplinary Commission was trying to bring here, and in fact,
the Discipinary Commission, you know, dismissed this case, you know,
(03:12):
which I don't know if they've ever done something like
that before.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
So hopefully people.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Have learned that they were being used these people, or
if they're aiding in a betting, if that's how you
want to.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Look at it, that they stop now.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I gave a pathway for the Supreme Court to solve
this if they take it up.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I propose rule.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Changes to this process based on the experience that I had,
So you know, I've tried to do the right thing.
It's been a year since I proposed these changes, and
I haven't gotten any word that the Indiana Supreme Court
is going to take up discussing these changes which they
should do. It would do things, it would really help
(03:51):
the lawfare, Like you have to have personal knowledge, you
have to be a party to the transaction before you
complain against an attorney.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
You know, that's one change.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Several things like that that would stop in this case,
the for example of Democrat Activist of the Year, other
political operators from just fire and off disciplinary complaints and
then these people again nine of them who meet in
secret taking up the complaint. You know, one of these
guys is a Democrat, lallmaker. Just give me a Democrat
(04:25):
elected official who endorsed my opponent during last election while
he and his commission were investigating me.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
And you know, so then they switched with it.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
They put a Republican quote unquote Republican in Tony Well.
This Republican donated to Liz Cheney, endorsed Kamala Harris in
the last election, and has you know, is an anti Trumper.
You know, of course I'm a strong ally at President Trump.
And so you know that's the dynamic that's going on here.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
So they really look bad.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
It really hurts the judicial institut if we don't get
some reforms put in place.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I hope they take up my.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
But you're not saying that there shouldn't be able to
be a system by which people can engage a complaint.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And issue, because they can come up.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Of course, of course, and there needs to be a system,
but it needs to be a lot more transparent. It
has to be a lot more I mean again, this
system has been around for decades and decades.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
It never anticipated the lawfare.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
And your question is about the lawfare, and it's certainly
an issue now, and the Supreme Court would do well
to take up proposed changes and probably some others that
I and maybe others make.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Talking to the Attorney General of Indiana Todd or Okeda.
You've got the meeting today with the borders are Tom
Homan closed to the public, closed to the press, although
I believe it is going to be live streaming.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
What is the perfect purpose of the meeting?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Hey, listen, you know, when you've got a guy like
Tom Holman, who like and Trump says this right out
of central casting for this job of cleaning up the
Biden mess and our other border security messes and issues
around illegal immigration. And you've got Chad Wolfe, the former
DHS secretary and during Trump one.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
You know they see they came at my request.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
They see me as a leader in this. We certainly
are a leader in this, and they want the General
Assembly in Indiana to do the right thing here.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
They see Indiana as.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
A great best model, if you will, best practice, if
you will, for how states can.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Help clean up this mess.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
And now to be fair, I mean, there's this bill
that it's called the Fairness Act. We had it last year,
got out of the House real well.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
It helps. What it does, it.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Strengthens my policing of sanctuary jurisdictions. So it requires ICE
to requires these local law enforcement officials to honor ICE
attainers instead of just letting illegal aliens go. It acts
it has a state social services agency start collecting data
(07:10):
on how many illegal aliens they're giving our tax money
to our through welfare benefits.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
You know. So it does a lot of good stuff.
Got out of the House real well.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And it was stopped by liberal a liberal senator who
calls herself a Republican. Her names Liz Brown. She's from
Fort Wayne.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
She just didn't want to hear it for personal reasons.
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
She told me that she had, you know, some kind
of illegal alien relationship in the family or something like that.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
She's backed off that now, but you know she didn't
want to hear it, so it just died in the Senate.
And that's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
We have to put hoosiers above these illegal aliens, and
we have problems with people like Liz Brown and the
Republican Party who don't want to do anything.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
So is the meaning about the idea of legislation?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Is that why Tom Holman's coming and it still doesn't
for a lot of people. Why the meeting is something
that the press can't attend.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I think, well, there's some security issues around that. It
was originally going to be in the second the second
floor of the State House and open, but we have
some securities. So you know, I'm going to live stream
it so you'll be able to see it. You just
go to my Facebook page or go to my website.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
And it'll be right there.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
We'll record it, you can play it back, you know,
we'll at least.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Have that opportunity.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
But there, I think they were expecting some protesters, well
maybe a lot of protesters today.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
So but yeah, it's about a bill.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It's kicking the legislature into gear here. It's reminding them
that whatever they thought they did last session. They didn't
get done, and they shouldn't pat themselves on the back
because there's a lot more they can do.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
And I think when we get.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
This done, Tony, you're going to see a lot of
other states start having similar legislation, similar laws.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Ok, I just did not grab from you what specifically
and thirty seconds or left?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
What specific the laws are we discussing here, Well, it's called.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
The Fairness Act.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
So it's going to beef up my ability to this
attorney general's ability to prohibit sanctuary jurisdictions here in the state.
It's going to penalize employers for hiring illegals if they
knowingly do it. E verify would still be a safe harbor.
It's going to require law enforcement to actually honor ice attainers.
(09:26):
So if I says, hey, put a hold on that
criminal suspect that you have in your jail, we're going
to come pick them up, the sheriff can't let them go.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
And we have that happening in this state right now.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
And so that would that would help remove illegal aliens,
and then it would track the welfare benefits that are
being given to illegal aliens because no state agencies are
collecting that data right now.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Todd Raketa, Attorney General of Indiana. I appreciate you taking
the time to be with us. Will be watching the
meeting in dot gov slash Attorney General. I think it's
the website you can go to. If it's a different website,
I'll put it out there for everybody to see this.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Attorney General Rokita, thank you.
The popcorn moment. Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go.
It's a story you need to hear to believe. Then
grab your popcorn, because there is more. You've got Tom Homan,
he's the borders are coming to town. You have serious
conversations about a law enforcement and then you have a
(00:20):
subject I was discussing earlier, which is basically lawfair. The
Attorney General of Indiana, Todd Raketa, joins us right now.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It was.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
The Indiana Supreme Court dismissing this complaint.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You have been a victim of lawfair.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
You have seen lawfair take place, as we have all
discussed regarding indictments against then candidate Trump now President Trump.
Is is there an effective way to fight the lawfair
outside of well, it's just gonna cost you a whole
bunch of.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Money to do out.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, Tony, it's really a ridiculous it's part of a
national playbook.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
First of all, a lot of my colleagues around the
country have come under the same attacks. And so you know,
the people of Indiana elected me in a record number,
and I say that humbly and out of a great
deal of appreciation, more votes than than in the history
of the States than any other candidate in the Democrat
(01:30):
Activists of the Year. Okay, here in Indiana, he was
literally given an award think in twenty eighteen or something
like that, for by the Indiana Democratic Party for being
the Democrat.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Actists of the Activists of the Year.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Is responsible for starting five, at least five of the
seven investigations that have been done on me by this
disciplinary commission that meets in secret, not elected by anybody,
that tried and probably will continue to try to take
to reverse the intent of over a million Hoosiers and
(02:06):
nearly two million Hoosiers who voted me into office.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
And that's what's going on.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So they can't stop me at the ballot box, or
they can't stop me in court, so they try to
take away my law license. And it's exactly right, Tony,
the very same thing that they try to do, well,
not the very same thing, but like the same thing
they try to do to President Trump. Now they went
after him in the criminal sense. This isn't criminal, but
it has the same effect stopping policymakers from doing the
(02:32):
job that people elected them to do.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Do you see with this latest dismissal, do you see
an end in sight for this or is your office
just geared up the loins girded if you will, you know,
something else will drop at some time.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Well, you know, we'll see if I mean. The Supreme
Court was pretty stern when they gave the order for
us to mediate, which is something that's never been another
thing that's never been done in the history of these cases,
because I think the Supreme Court saw what a stinker
for Disciplinary Commission was trying to bring here, and in fact,
the Discipinary Commission, you know, dismissed this case, you know,
(03:12):
which I don't know if they've ever done something like
that before.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
So hopefully people.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Have learned that they were being used these people, or
if they're aiding in a betting, if that's how you
want to.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Look at it, that they stop now.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I gave a pathway for the Supreme Court to solve
this if they take it up.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I propose rule.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Changes to this process based on the experience that I had,
So you know, I've tried to do the right thing.
It's been a year since I proposed these changes, and
I haven't gotten any word that the Indiana Supreme Court
is going to take up discussing these changes which they
should do. It would do things, it would really help
(03:51):
the lawfare, Like you have to have personal knowledge, you
have to be a party to the transaction before you
complain against an attorney.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
You know, that's one change.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Several things like that that would stop in this case,
the for example of Democrat Activist of the Year, other
political operators from just fire and off disciplinary complaints and
then these people again nine of them who meet in
secret taking up the complaint. You know, one of these
guys is a Democrat, lallmaker. Just give me a Democrat
(04:25):
elected official who endorsed my opponent during last election while
he and his commission were investigating me.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
And you know, so then they switched with it.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
They put a Republican quote unquote Republican in Tony Well.
This Republican donated to Liz Cheney, endorsed Kamala Harris in
the last election, and has you know, is an anti Trumper.
You know, of course I'm a strong ally at President Trump.
And so you know that's the dynamic that's going on here.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
So they really look bad.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
It really hurts the judicial institut if we don't get
some reforms put in place.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I hope they take up my.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
But you're not saying that there shouldn't be able to
be a system by which people can engage a complaint.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And issue, because they can come up.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Of course, of course, and there needs to be a system,
but it needs to be a lot more transparent. It
has to be a lot more I mean again, this
system has been around for decades and decades.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
It never anticipated the lawfare.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
And your question is about the lawfare, and it's certainly
an issue now, and the Supreme Court would do well
to take up proposed changes and probably some others that
I and maybe others make.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Talking to the Attorney General of Indiana Todd or Okeda.
You've got the meeting today with the borders are Tom
Homan closed to the public, closed to the press, although
I believe it is going to be live streaming.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
What is the perfect purpose of the meeting?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Hey, listen, you know, when you've got a guy like
Tom Holman, who like and Trump says this right out
of central casting for this job of cleaning up the
Biden mess and our other border security messes and issues
around illegal immigration. And you've got Chad Wolfe, the former
DHS secretary and during Trump one.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
You know they see they came at my request.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
They see me as a leader in this. We certainly
are a leader in this, and they want the General
Assembly in Indiana to do the right thing here.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
They see Indiana as.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
A great best model, if you will, best practice, if
you will, for how states can.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Help clean up this mess.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
And now to be fair, I mean, there's this bill
that it's called the Fairness Act. We had it last year,
got out of the House real well.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
It helps. What it does, it.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Strengthens my policing of sanctuary jurisdictions. So it requires ICE
to requires these local law enforcement officials to honor ICE
attainers instead of just letting illegal aliens go. It acts
it has a state social services agency start collecting data
(07:10):
on how many illegal aliens they're giving our tax money
to our through welfare benefits.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
You know. So it does a lot of good stuff.
Got out of the House real well.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And it was stopped by liberal a liberal senator who
calls herself a Republican. Her names Liz Brown. She's from
Fort Wayne.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
She just didn't want to hear it for personal reasons.
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
She told me that she had, you know, some kind
of illegal alien relationship in the family or something like that.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
She's backed off that now, but you know she didn't
want to hear it, so it just died in the Senate.
And that's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
We have to put hoosiers above these illegal aliens, and
we have problems with people like Liz Brown and the
Republican Party who don't want to do anything.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
So is the meaning about the idea of legislation?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Is that why Tom Holman's coming and it still doesn't
for a lot of people. Why the meeting is something
that the press can't attend.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I think, well, there's some security issues around that. It
was originally going to be in the second the second
floor of the State House and open, but we have
some securities. So you know, I'm going to live stream
it so you'll be able to see it. You just
go to my Facebook page or go to my website.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
And it'll be right there.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
We'll record it, you can play it back, you know,
we'll at least.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Have that opportunity.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
But there, I think they were expecting some protesters, well
maybe a lot of protesters today.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
So but yeah, it's about a bill.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It's kicking the legislature into gear here. It's reminding them
that whatever they thought they did last session. They didn't
get done, and they shouldn't pat themselves on the back
because there's a lot more they can do.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
And I think when we get.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
This done, Tony, you're going to see a lot of
other states start having similar legislation, similar laws.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Ok, I just did not grab from you what specifically
and thirty seconds or left?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
What specific the laws are we discussing here, Well, it's called.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
The Fairness Act.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
So it's going to beef up my ability to this
attorney general's ability to prohibit sanctuary jurisdictions here in the state.
It's going to penalize employers for hiring illegals if they
knowingly do it. E verify would still be a safe harbor.
It's going to require law enforcement to actually honor ice attainers.
(09:26):
So if I says, hey, put a hold on that
criminal suspect that you have in your jail, we're going
to come pick them up, the sheriff can't let them go.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
And we have that happening in this state right now.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
And so that would that would help remove illegal aliens,
and then it would track the welfare benefits that are
being given to illegal aliens because no state agencies are
collecting that data right now.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Todd Raketa, Attorney General of Indiana. I appreciate you taking
the time to be with us. Will be watching the
meeting in dot gov slash Attorney General. I think it's
the website you can go to. If it's a different website,
I'll put it out there for everybody to see this.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Attorney General Rokita, thank you.
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