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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I'll let you know if I get a response.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:46):
Then grab your popcorn because there is more. I am
not surprised that would come back to me, not surprise
in the slightest. Let's see this one. I can't, I can't.
I can't share it yet. I can't share it yet.

(02:09):
We'll see if I get any luck. There was a
statement made. I want to break this down because you
might argue this is happening in you know, social media,
this isn't part of real life. But rather I would
say to you that when the president of the Heritage Foundation,
makes a statement about cancel culture and engages a full

(02:32):
throat of defense of Tucker Carlson, who recently had on
his show Nick Foyntes. Nick Foyntes is an anti semit,
He's a white supremacist. However you want to call him.
I don't know how he would decide himself. He's just
an American. Maybe I think he's just a caricature at times.

(02:55):
But why would you platform that guy? That was the conversation.
I mean, then Tucker got into a conversation about Christian
Zionists and it's.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Always back to this.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
It's funny. And on social media every was like, oh, Tony,
you're always so talking about Israel.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
No, no, no, no, Tucker is always talking about Israel.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yet I'm told to give it a rest, and he's like, woo.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Cheer him on. It's very it's it's very strange.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
And when I say it's very strange, it's strange that
somehow people are gonna think that it's not gonna get noticed.
That guy gets cheered on and I get told no,
it's odd. But having Nick Foant on your show is
about platforming.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
A bigot like this. Is is nuts.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Is surreal. Why in the world, Why in the world
would you do it?

Speaker 1 (04:03):
That's the question I want to.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Share with you what it is that Kevin Roberts, the
leader there of the Heritage Foundation said, want you to
hear it for yourself.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
I want you to be able to make your own
mind up about it.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
And the reason that it matters is because the divide
it is creating seems to be one of this is
vile versus one of this is Christian, and that I
think it's a very odd and upsetting place to be.

(04:43):
So let me start with this. Is Kevin Roberts, he
heads up the Heritage Foundation. This is what it is
that he had to say.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
I'm sorry. I apologize right there.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
I'll have more to say on this in the coming days,
but today I want to be clear about one thing.
Christians can critique the state of Israel without being anti Semitic,
and of course anti Semitism should be condemned. My loyalty
as a Christian and as an American is to Christ
first and to America always. When it serves the interests

(05:21):
to the United States to cooperate with Israel and other allies,
we should do so with partnerships on security, intelligence, and technology.
But when it doesn't, Conservatives should feel no obligation to
reflexively support any foreign government, no matter how loud the
pressure becomes from the globalist class or from their mouthpieces
in Washington.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
It's at that moment I stop. He hasn't gotten into
Tucker yet. Support of Israel is proof of being a globalist.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
The argument of you can disagree, well, yeah, of course,
go right ahead.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Does it make you an anti Semite? I'm telling you
it doesn't. That's insane, It's insane.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
But what if I disagree with you now, Kevin Roberts,
Am I now part of the globalist class?

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Am I anti Christian?

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well? It seems to be part of what you're purporting here?
And I think is where a lot of this division
is coming from. This What in the world are you
putting out there? Versus good for you for standing up
for Christian values. A divide, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
The Heritage Foundation didn't become the intellectual backbone of the
conservative movement by canceling our own people or policing the
consciences of Christians. And we won't start doing that now.
We don't take direction from comments on X. Though we
are grateful for the robust free speech debate, we also
don't take direction from members or donors. Though we are

(06:58):
inherently grateful for that support.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I'm not one hundred percent sure how accurate that is
in that donors don't have any level of sway. I
would hope that donors understand this is the organization we have,
and this is the message we put out there, and
sometimes you might disagree with parts of it, but if
you agree with the overarching.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
That's what we ask your support. Hun I would hope
that that's the case, and.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
We're adding more every day. This is the robust debate
we invite with our colleagues, our movement, friends, our members,
and the American public. We will always defend truth, we
will always defend America, and we will always defend our
friends against the slander of bad actors who serve someone
else's agenda. That includes Tucker Carlson, who remains and as

(07:54):
I have said before, always will be a close friend
of the Heritage Foundation. I'm as coalition attacking him or
sewing division, their attempt to cancel him will fail. Most importantly,
the American people expect us to be focusing on our
political adversaries on the left, not attacking our friends on
the right.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
If I disagree with Tucker Carlson, it's a slander. I'm
a globalist and I'm not focused on the right things.
I reject the premise Kevin Roberts with everything in me.
As a matter of fact, I want you to apply
that in any other place. If I disagree with Heritage, well,

(08:38):
what if I disagree with libertarians like Cato, or what
if I disagree anywhere? If I disagree with Tucker, What
if I disagree with Dana Perino, or what if I
disagree with Rob Finnerty over there at Newsmax.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
It's proof I'm part of the globalists.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
I can't note something that Tucker Carlson says or does.
I can't note that he said Russia has great supermarkets,
we should be more like them, and how radically ridiculous
that is.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
It's a ridiculous thought.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
I can't notice that he platforms Nick Quente's and say
that's wrong. It doesn't sound like a conversation of robust
free speech when you then declare that by doing so,
you're giving ammunition and energy to the left, and you're
a globalist.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
I disagree with and even at poor things that Nick
Flint has says, but canceling him is not the answer either.
When we disagree with the person's thoughts and opinions, we
challenge those ideas and debate. And we have seen success
in this approach as we continue to dismantle the vile
ideas of the left. As my friend Vice President Vance

(09:53):
said last night, what I am not okay with is
any country coming before the interest of American citizens, and
it is important for all of us, assuming we are
American citizens, to put the interest of our own country first.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
I believe we should put America first, absolutely I do,
and I'm not in favor of canceling Tucker Carlson.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I think that's a silly idea.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
But I think I can note without being called a
globalist and without engaging some threat to Christianity that platforming
Nick Foyntees is ugly.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Because it is.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Doesn't make me a globalist, doesn't make me anti Christian.
The statement from the Heritage Foundation is something else, and
people surprised at the response of what's wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (10:49):
I'm surprised at them. We'll discuss it more on Tony
Katz today right now,
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