October 15, 2025 • 12 mins
Indiana REP Liz Brown joins to respond to AG Todd Rokitas statements from the show on Tuesday
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Yesterday I had the Attorney General on the show, Todd
raketa Attorney General Indiana. And in that conversation yesterday, as
he was discussing Tom Holman, the borders are coming to Indiana,
he was discussing this idea of the Fairness Act, how
(00:27):
we deal with immigration in the state of Indiana, And
he said this.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It requires ICE to or requires these local law enforcement
officials to honor ICE attainers instead of just letting illegal
aliens go.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Acts.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It has state Social Services agency start collecting data on
how many illegal aliens they're giving our tax money to
through welfare benefits. So it does a lot of good
stuff got out of the house real well, and it
was stopped by liberal, a liberal senator who calls herself
a Republican. Her name's Liz Brown. She's from Fort Wayne.
(01:04):
She just didn't want to hear it for personal reasons.
You know. She told me that she had, you know,
some kind of allegal alien relationship in a family or
something like that. She's backed off that now, but you know,
she didn't want to hear it.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
So it just died in the Senate.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And that's ridiculous. We have to put hoosiers above these
illegal aliens, and we have problems with people like Liz
Brown and the Republican Party who don't want to.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Do anything from there. Senator Brown's staff reached out and
said we'd like to respond. State Senator Liz Brown joins
me right now from a district to fifteen. I appreciate
your staff reaching out. This isn't the first time you
have had issue with how the Attorney general characterizes this.
We go back to an April thirtieth interview you did
(01:51):
with fellow radio host Casey Hendrickson out of woo and
MNC and Fort Wayne and South Bend, respectively. You have
filed disciplinary actions against Attorney General Rokeita talk to me
about where his allegation comes from regarding a legal immigration
(02:11):
and your own personal situation.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah, thanks Tony for having me on. I appreciate it
this morning, and I don't quite understand it. It's pretty
hard to defeat a lie when people kept well not
people are Attorney General, the highest elected law enforcement officer
in the state, continues to lie about my family. I
don't know how many times I can say I do
(02:35):
not have an illegal alien in my family or a
relationship with a family member who is an illegal alien,
full stop. So I can't tell you, as a mother
how disturbing it is to hear someone continue to lie
about my family. So I appreciate this opportunity I learn aboutue.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Where this comes from. I have heard this before. I
don't think I've brought up much of an on the air.
Where does this allegation come from? And what is the
denunciation of it outside of their lying about me?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Well, they I mean, it's the Attorney General. Let's just
be clear. The Attorney General is lying repeatedly. He's already
been disciplined by the Disciplinary Commission for breaking rules of
professional conduct. And so I met, not with him, with
his staff probably almost a year ago about this bill.
(03:28):
And there were significant issues that I had with the bill,
concerns and one of them was then reiterated to me
or several, i should say, as the bill was moving
in the House with law enforcement and the business community.
And when I shared this with his staff, not with him,
never talked to him about this bill until the end
(03:48):
of session, and when I shared it with them, they
said essentially thank you very much, and never heard back
from them. So don't know if they made any adjustments,
but it was clear when it was introduced. They didn't.
So this is about This is about centralizing an incredible
amount of power in one person's office. And that person
(04:11):
may be a Republican this morning, but they're not. That
office may not always stay that way, and I think
many of my colleagues have concerns. So for business, if
they quote can be accused of recruiting an illegal alien
and they don't have to do it knowingly, it could
be no men's rail that was taken out the knowledge
of doing that act, they could lose their business. And
(04:37):
you could put a my example is put a help
wanted sign up in your store and ten people come
and maybe one of them is an illegal alien. You
recruited them. That's a problem. That's how the bill was introduced.
And then with respect law enforcement, again the same issue.
They have the Sheriff's Association in particular because again it
(05:00):
really falls on their shoulders because they're the ones who
are in charge of the jails.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
So let me now take a moment and make sure
I'm following talking to State Senator Liz Brown here in
Indiana District fifteen. It is House built fifteen thirty one
that you voted against it's House Built thirteen ninety three
that you voted in favor of. So, if I am
to understand your position, you do not favor any level
(05:25):
of sanctuary city, any sanctuary status in the state of Indiana.
You do not favor any sanctuary type policy in the
state of Indiana. You just don't want anybody who hires
somebody who is here illegally by mistake to deal with
the consequences of doing so. If I am understanding right,
(05:45):
it would lead them to a conversation about doesn't everify
solve that problem. But go back to the first, Am
I correct in my assessment that you don't favor sanctuary policies,
You don't favor any sanctuary policy for any city in
the state of Indiana, and you don't want people who
hire somebody illegally to face serious consequences.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
No, it'said that I don't want them to face. I
don't want illegal aliens in this country. I want people
to come into this country legally and follow the rules,
just like all of us do. And but that bill
wasn't going to solve that problem. Right, So I am
absolutely one hundred percent behind any law enforcement association or
city that thinks they don't also have to follow the
(06:29):
rules of our state of federal government. And that's an
oath I took when I took this office that I
will file the constitution not only of the state of Indiana,
but of the United States one hundred percent. But getting
back to this, this created extra burns for the businesses
and they didn't understand how this was going to work
for them. They are all We didn't have examples of
(06:52):
businesses not falling the law. It was help us follow
the law. And then with law enforcement, which was the
biggest piece to this bill, this was about them understanding
and honoring detainer warrants. There hasn't been a sheriff who's
come to me says we are not happy to work
with ICE or any other law enforcement agency. The problem
(07:13):
is that a detainer warrant, which is what ICE issues,
is not an arrest warrant. So there have to be
certain procedures and processes followed so that the sheriffs are
not held liable and the sheriffs are not held in
violation of someone's due process if they pick up the
wrong person. So we go. They've asked for training, they've
(07:33):
asked for training. Attorney General had promised training or offered
I should suld say, I don't know if you promised,
and they never got it, and that's really important. They
want to do the right thing. They have been very
forthcoming with me about this. They want to do the
right thing. They want to make sure they better get
the bad guys off the street, and they want to
assist other law enforcement and agencies, including ICE. But they
(07:56):
have to understand and have the right forms and processes
in place. And that's where the problem is. It's not
just grabbing someone.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And to the I'll call it cause I accusation being
made that you're harboring somebody in the country illegally in
your own family. You're saying flat out.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Not true, absolutely not true. Never said that. Why would
I say that to you? I mean, it's no, you know,
like I know, why would I say, Why would I
lie about one of my children? Because that's how this started. Well,
why would I lie about someone in my family? I'm
(08:35):
an American citizen. I've literally had to say that to people. No,
I'm an American citizen. My husband's American citizen. Are children
are American citizens? I mean, full stop.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So one of the things that is happening is that
people are trying to primary you. You have got people
announcing that they're running for office. Conversation, there's this conversation
which you are elucidating here. There has been your opposition
to constitutional carry in the state of Indiana. There's been
(09:06):
a question asked about what can be described Senator Brown
as your conservative bona fides. How do you respond to
those people?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Well, I'm going to just say you have to look
at my history of how strong I've been on the
pro life issues, which just came from the largest pro
life dinner last night in the country up here in
northeast Indiana. That's number one for me. That's always number one.
And when you look at the issues, whether we're talking
about this issue, I am trying to get a bill
(09:37):
passed that will pass muster and also will fix the problem.
And so I didn't have with respect to fifteen thirty one,
and yes, I voted for thirteen ninety three, which make
sure if you pick them up if an illegal alien
is arrested on criminal charges and you find out they're
an illegal alien, you must immediate notified ice. That went through,
(10:00):
no problem. I voted to ban sanctuary cities and support
if they're trying to avoid the law, any law enforcement
in those cities, etc. But people can say things about you, Tony,
people can say things. You don't believe this, but I'll
stand by my record. I stand by the citizens of
Northeast Indiana and the District fifteen. I listened to my constituents,
(10:26):
and my job as a state Senator is to look
at these laws and see art can they be implemented,
will they help the state of Indiana, and what's the
problem they're trying to fixts? Do you with every single
bill and I talk to my committee, I might add,
as a judiciary chaier to my committee about these bills.
These decisions are never made in a vacuum.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Do you regret not holding a hearing on House Bill
fifteen thirty one.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
No, there were too many problems with the bill. There
were too many issues with the bill. And as I said, Tony,
I shared that when the Attorney General's Office staff came
to me last December and they acknowledged that they acknowledged
what I was saying to them, and they didn't change.
They may have made some amendments in the House, but
(11:16):
the concerns that the business community and how to implement it.
The concerns from law enforcement for them and how to
implement it didn't change because they came to me. They
came to me, and I know law enforcement shared the
concerns with the Attorney General's office. And I might add
(11:37):
another part of the bill, which we haven't really talked about,
is that the Attorney General's Office is consolidating in this
bill more power to investigate what would be an executive
branch function to investigate the agencies that the executive branch runs.
(11:57):
And I think that's something the Governor's more than keeping.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And so was the ad on now was the you're
introducing something new? Was the objection to what law enforcement
could or couldn't do or those tassels put upon them,
or was the issue that Todd raket it would have
too much power?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
No, no, no, I'm not introducing I'm it's a big bill, Tony.
I mean, there's only been a few issues that have
been talked about publicly. I'm just saying there was a lot,
and my committee was aware this is a lot. This
is a lot to fix.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
State Center quote all that you finish up, please go ahead.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Oh no, it was going to take a lot of work,
but I think the biggest thing is is it has
been continually suggested that law enforcement isn't doing their job.
And I will stand behind them every single day and
come to me and say they can't fix this isn't
going to work, then I'm going to believe them every day.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
State Center, Liz Brown, District fifteen. I appreciate your staff
reaching out. I appreciate you calling in and being with
us at Center Brown. Thank you,
Yesterday I had the Attorney General on the show, Todd
raketa Attorney General Indiana. And in that conversation yesterday, as
he was discussing Tom Holman, the borders are coming to Indiana,
he was discussing this idea of the Fairness Act, how
(00:27):
we deal with immigration in the state of Indiana, And
he said this.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It requires ICE to or requires these local law enforcement
officials to honor ICE attainers instead of just letting illegal
aliens go.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Acts.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It has state Social Services agency start collecting data on
how many illegal aliens they're giving our tax money to
through welfare benefits. So it does a lot of good
stuff got out of the house real well, and it
was stopped by liberal, a liberal senator who calls herself
a Republican. Her name's Liz Brown. She's from Fort Wayne.
(01:04):
She just didn't want to hear it for personal reasons.
You know. She told me that she had, you know,
some kind of allegal alien relationship in a family or
something like that. She's backed off that now, but you know,
she didn't want to hear it.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
So it just died in the Senate.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And that's ridiculous. We have to put hoosiers above these
illegal aliens, and we have problems with people like Liz
Brown and the Republican Party who don't want to.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Do anything from there. Senator Brown's staff reached out and
said we'd like to respond. State Senator Liz Brown joins
me right now from a district to fifteen. I appreciate
your staff reaching out. This isn't the first time you
have had issue with how the Attorney general characterizes this.
We go back to an April thirtieth interview you did
(01:51):
with fellow radio host Casey Hendrickson out of woo and
MNC and Fort Wayne and South Bend, respectively. You have
filed disciplinary actions against Attorney General Rokeita talk to me
about where his allegation comes from regarding a legal immigration
(02:11):
and your own personal situation.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah, thanks Tony for having me on. I appreciate it
this morning, and I don't quite understand it. It's pretty
hard to defeat a lie when people kept well not
people are Attorney General, the highest elected law enforcement officer
in the state, continues to lie about my family. I
don't know how many times I can say I do
(02:35):
not have an illegal alien in my family or a
relationship with a family member who is an illegal alien,
full stop. So I can't tell you, as a mother
how disturbing it is to hear someone continue to lie
about my family. So I appreciate this opportunity I learn aboutue.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Where this comes from. I have heard this before. I
don't think I've brought up much of an on the air.
Where does this allegation come from? And what is the
denunciation of it outside of their lying about me?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Well, they I mean, it's the Attorney General. Let's just
be clear. The Attorney General is lying repeatedly. He's already
been disciplined by the Disciplinary Commission for breaking rules of
professional conduct. And so I met, not with him, with
his staff probably almost a year ago about this bill.
(03:28):
And there were significant issues that I had with the bill,
concerns and one of them was then reiterated to me
or several, i should say, as the bill was moving
in the House with law enforcement and the business community.
And when I shared this with his staff, not with him,
never talked to him about this bill until the end
(03:48):
of session, and when I shared it with them, they
said essentially thank you very much, and never heard back
from them. So don't know if they made any adjustments,
but it was clear when it was introduced. They didn't.
So this is about This is about centralizing an incredible
amount of power in one person's office. And that person
(04:11):
may be a Republican this morning, but they're not. That
office may not always stay that way, and I think
many of my colleagues have concerns. So for business, if
they quote can be accused of recruiting an illegal alien
and they don't have to do it knowingly, it could
be no men's rail that was taken out the knowledge
of doing that act, they could lose their business. And
(04:37):
you could put a my example is put a help
wanted sign up in your store and ten people come
and maybe one of them is an illegal alien. You
recruited them. That's a problem. That's how the bill was introduced.
And then with respect law enforcement, again the same issue.
They have the Sheriff's Association in particular because again it
(05:00):
really falls on their shoulders because they're the ones who
are in charge of the jails.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
So let me now take a moment and make sure
I'm following talking to State Senator Liz Brown here in
Indiana District fifteen. It is House built fifteen thirty one
that you voted against it's House Built thirteen ninety three
that you voted in favor of. So, if I am
to understand your position, you do not favor any level
(05:25):
of sanctuary city, any sanctuary status in the state of Indiana.
You do not favor any sanctuary type policy in the
state of Indiana. You just don't want anybody who hires
somebody who is here illegally by mistake to deal with
the consequences of doing so. If I am understanding right,
(05:45):
it would lead them to a conversation about doesn't everify
solve that problem. But go back to the first, Am
I correct in my assessment that you don't favor sanctuary policies,
You don't favor any sanctuary policy for any city in
the state of Indiana, and you don't want people who
hire somebody illegally to face serious consequences.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
No, it'said that I don't want them to face. I
don't want illegal aliens in this country. I want people
to come into this country legally and follow the rules,
just like all of us do. And but that bill
wasn't going to solve that problem. Right, So I am
absolutely one hundred percent behind any law enforcement association or
city that thinks they don't also have to follow the
(06:29):
rules of our state of federal government. And that's an
oath I took when I took this office that I
will file the constitution not only of the state of Indiana,
but of the United States one hundred percent. But getting
back to this, this created extra burns for the businesses
and they didn't understand how this was going to work
for them. They are all We didn't have examples of
(06:52):
businesses not falling the law. It was help us follow
the law. And then with law enforcement, which was the
biggest piece to this bill, this was about them understanding
and honoring detainer warrants. There hasn't been a sheriff who's
come to me says we are not happy to work
with ICE or any other law enforcement agency. The problem
(07:13):
is that a detainer warrant, which is what ICE issues,
is not an arrest warrant. So there have to be
certain procedures and processes followed so that the sheriffs are
not held liable and the sheriffs are not held in
violation of someone's due process if they pick up the
wrong person. So we go. They've asked for training, they've
(07:33):
asked for training. Attorney General had promised training or offered
I should suld say, I don't know if you promised,
and they never got it, and that's really important. They
want to do the right thing. They have been very
forthcoming with me about this. They want to do the
right thing. They want to make sure they better get
the bad guys off the street, and they want to
assist other law enforcement and agencies, including ICE. But they
(07:56):
have to understand and have the right forms and processes
in place. And that's where the problem is. It's not
just grabbing someone.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And to the I'll call it cause I accusation being
made that you're harboring somebody in the country illegally in
your own family. You're saying flat out.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Not true, absolutely not true. Never said that. Why would
I say that to you? I mean, it's no, you know,
like I know, why would I say, Why would I
lie about one of my children? Because that's how this started. Well,
why would I lie about someone in my family? I'm
(08:35):
an American citizen. I've literally had to say that to people. No,
I'm an American citizen. My husband's American citizen. Are children
are American citizens? I mean, full stop.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So one of the things that is happening is that
people are trying to primary you. You have got people
announcing that they're running for office. Conversation, there's this conversation
which you are elucidating here. There has been your opposition
to constitutional carry in the state of Indiana. There's been
(09:06):
a question asked about what can be described Senator Brown
as your conservative bona fides. How do you respond to
those people?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Well, I'm going to just say you have to look
at my history of how strong I've been on the
pro life issues, which just came from the largest pro
life dinner last night in the country up here in
northeast Indiana. That's number one for me. That's always number one.
And when you look at the issues, whether we're talking
about this issue, I am trying to get a bill
(09:37):
passed that will pass muster and also will fix the problem.
And so I didn't have with respect to fifteen thirty one,
and yes, I voted for thirteen ninety three, which make
sure if you pick them up if an illegal alien
is arrested on criminal charges and you find out they're
an illegal alien, you must immediate notified ice. That went through,
(10:00):
no problem. I voted to ban sanctuary cities and support
if they're trying to avoid the law, any law enforcement
in those cities, etc. But people can say things about you, Tony,
people can say things. You don't believe this, but I'll
stand by my record. I stand by the citizens of
Northeast Indiana and the District fifteen. I listened to my constituents,
(10:26):
and my job as a state Senator is to look
at these laws and see art can they be implemented,
will they help the state of Indiana, and what's the
problem they're trying to fixts? Do you with every single
bill and I talk to my committee, I might add,
as a judiciary chaier to my committee about these bills.
These decisions are never made in a vacuum.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Do you regret not holding a hearing on House Bill
fifteen thirty one.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
No, there were too many problems with the bill. There
were too many issues with the bill. And as I said, Tony,
I shared that when the Attorney General's Office staff came
to me last December and they acknowledged that they acknowledged
what I was saying to them, and they didn't change.
They may have made some amendments in the House, but
(11:16):
the concerns that the business community and how to implement it.
The concerns from law enforcement for them and how to
implement it didn't change because they came to me. They
came to me, and I know law enforcement shared the
concerns with the Attorney General's office. And I might add
(11:37):
another part of the bill, which we haven't really talked about,
is that the Attorney General's Office is consolidating in this
bill more power to investigate what would be an executive
branch function to investigate the agencies that the executive branch runs.
(11:57):
And I think that's something the Governor's more than keeping.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And so was the ad on now was the you're
introducing something new? Was the objection to what law enforcement
could or couldn't do or those tassels put upon them,
or was the issue that Todd raket it would have
too much power?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
No, no, no, I'm not introducing I'm it's a big bill, Tony.
I mean, there's only been a few issues that have
been talked about publicly. I'm just saying there was a lot,
and my committee was aware this is a lot. This
is a lot to fix.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
State Center quote all that you finish up, please go ahead.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Oh no, it was going to take a lot of work,
but I think the biggest thing is is it has
been continually suggested that law enforcement isn't doing their job.
And I will stand behind them every single day and
come to me and say they can't fix this isn't
going to work, then I'm going to believe them every day.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
State Center, Liz Brown, District fifteen. I appreciate your staff
reaching out. I appreciate you calling in and being with
us at Center Brown. Thank you,
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