September 11, 2025 • 23 mins
THESE are the times that try men's souls. It is 9/11. We will not forget. Kamala Harris calling Biden's re-election campaign "reckless" is just surreal. Utah Governor Spencer Cox says the killing of Charlie Kirk was a political assassination
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
These are the times the trimends souls, the summer soldier
and the sunshine patriot will in this crisis shrink from the.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Service of their country.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
But he that stands it now deserves the love and
thanks a man and woman.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. Yet we have
this consolation with us that the heart of the conflict,
the more glorious.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
The triumph Thomas Paine, the American crisis?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What else could I think be? Turn the music?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
What else could best kind of explain where we are?
Tony Katz ninety three WIBC. Good morning, Charlie Kirk, killed
yesterday at the age of thirty one, speaking to a
college crowd at Utah Valley University. This is the twenty
fourth anniversary of September eleventh. This is not an easy day.
(01:15):
I have often found from you that it is the
not easy days where we show our best. This will
not be a conversation, at least from me today about
the glorifying of Charlie Kirk. I didn't know him. I
didn't always agree with him. He had a different view
of how to engage than I did. But there is
(01:37):
no question that his engagement worked. His engagement was effective.
His engagement reached people. And there was absolutely no question
that when you could sit yourself down on a campus
to where the campus pours out to see you, to
the tune of thousands of people who want to watch him,
well really dismantle leftist arguments, to which he did.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I think with rousing success. That is an oddity.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
That is something and for many on a campus, for
many in America to see somebody stand up and say no, this,
this and this, and I am not swayed.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
By the problem.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's good. It's one thing to hear it. It's another
thing to see it. It's another thing to feel. It's
nothing to experience it. That is impressive stuff. He's extremely
good at the recall, extremely good at finding in his
mind the obscure fact that would work to his favor.
(02:48):
He didn't deserve to die assassinated as he would, murdered
as he would depending on how you want to say
these things. As he was speaking to a crowd engaging
in the debate, that we make claim.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Matters in the nation, but.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
It's obvious that we are not one nation under God, indivisible.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Rather we are indeed divided, as we have discussed as
we have discussed.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Here, the only way out is through, and we must
identify what it is we are dealing with. We don't
know who shot Charlie Kirk. That person is still on
the run. They had a person of interest, they let
that person of interest go.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We do not, at least as publicly reported to have
a suspect in custody. We don't.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
We do have plenty of people on the political left
cheering for Charlie Kirk's death. And we do not go
as September eleventh without reminding ourselves that we are here,
that we were attacked and we came through it. I
don't go a day without recognizing that the people of
flight ninety three very well may have saved my life.
(03:58):
I'm here because of them. I am here because of them.
It is a rough day, a day, these are the
times that try men's souls. My gosh, that's on point.
And yet here we are waking up, taking a shower,
(04:19):
drinking coffee, turning on the radio and heading to work
because our lives go on with remembrance though that's our
plan today. Tony Kats ninety three WIBC, good morning. Very
often the September eleventh, two thousand and one. Timeline is
thought to start at seven fifty nine am, when flight
eleven took off from Boston heading for Los Angeles, seventy
(04:42):
six passengers, eleven crew, five hijackers on board. Tony Kats
ninety three WIBC, good morning, Good to be with you
on a somber day. Don't worry. I'm gonna get you
through it. We will leave this morning saying we can
handle these things because I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
We don't have an option.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
No, hold on, wait, I'm positive we don't have an option.
Tony cad I say hello, I did say hello.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It was a weird morning.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And then I had been preparing for September eleventh, then
the murder of Charlie Kirk, and I went back to
make sure that every firearm I have in the studio
it is good to go. Not that any firearm was
going to stop whoever it is that murdered Charlie Kirk
from doing so, that I should at least have a chance.
(05:34):
And if you say to me, wait, is he serious?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Oh? Very, very horrifically very But we don't. We take
a look at.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
September eleventh, and we think this timeline starts with the
takeoff of flight eleven, then United Flight.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
One seventy five. Flight eleven was American Airlines.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
No, the timeline starts at five point forty five am
before we began this show, when two of the hijackers
boarded their plane in Maine.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
As we sit.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Here right now, the plans and the efforts twenty four
years ago for September eleventh had already begun. Plans and
efforts had already begun. Which is a horrifying thought, because
twenty four years later, there's a guy who lived in
DC at the time and experienced September eleventh in Washington,
(06:38):
d C.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Just blocks from the White House and blocks from the Capitol.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I do not joke when I say that the people
of flight ninety three absolutely saved my life a flight
that was a thought to be heading towards the White House.
The White House is not an easy target sunk between
two other buildings. To have missed that White House would
have been very easy. To then decide to try and
hit the Capitol could have happened, And for that plane
(07:03):
to have crashed anywhere in between, as I was at
ninth and EE, very possible. And you cannot convince me
at all in any way on any level that the
people who took down Flight ninety three, who tried to
stop the hijackers, I should say, I'm Flight ninety three
as a crash in Shanksville.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Pennsylvania, didn't save my life. You will never get me
not to believe that. But there were things at play.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
And I would commend you to reading The Looming Tower,
and to certainly, if not watching the series on Hulu,
as it is stunning and frightening and horrific and angering
all at the same time. But twenty four years later,
we're still sharing the stories, We're still watching the videos, videos.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
That must be watched.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
You need to watch that people jumped out of the
hundredth floor, the eighty eighth floor.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Because the flames were too hot, and.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Somehow, in that moment that was more desirous, more rational
than staying inside. The phone calls of people, people on
the phone while the buildings fell, Phone calls to loved
ones saying I'm not getting out of this. I love you,
take care of yourself. I am not one for the maudlin.
(08:31):
I never have been. I have never understood it. But
I am one for remembering, and I am certainly one
for saying that.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
You have to remember by actually watching the.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Horror, there are if you are the Eric Swallwalls of
the world and you're willing to say well nine to eleven, Well,
January sixth is just like September eleventh. No, no, it
wasn't in any way, shape or form. Was January sixth
(09:06):
like September eleventh.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Tuesday nine forty seven, am, Hi.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Baby, baby, you have the litenipity. Carefully. I'm on a plane.
It's a hijach.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I'm I'm calling from the plane.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I want to tell you I love you. Sease tell
my children that I love them very much and I'm
so sorry they I hope to be able to see
your face against.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Baby, I love you. They're not the same.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I don't claim that January sixth wasn't a riot, but
they're not the same. And it is of course seen
that the Democratic Party wants to try and create this
in the mind. They're desperate to make fetch happen in
this way. Stop it, Gretchen, Stop with the fetch. It's
(09:57):
just not going to happen. Listening to the horror, watching
the horror is not about being morbid, but rather a
reminder of what it is that happened, and the people that.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Are out there still to this day, planning before.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
We have even woken up, five point forty five am
boarding the flight out of an airport in Maine to
head to Boston. I mean, isn't that just the story
They were already operating before we ever woke up.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I wonder.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
If it ever comes a moment where we wake up,
if there's ever a moment where we are more awake
than they, if we are prepared to engage the way
we moust Twenty four years later, we haven't answered the question.
Twenty four years later, we have further internalized the enemy.
(11:10):
I have seen the enemy, and the enemy is us.
We are We were attacked by a society that does
not believe no no, no, you're just being invasive and
you're in our space and you shouldn't be here.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
They believe in the worldwide Caliphate, and they don't believe
we should be allowed to express ourselves, share ideas, share
our values, engage in pluralism, et cetera. What is so different?
After Charlie Kirk was assassinated yesterday for sharing an idea,
by the way, I wasn't down with everything, What did
(11:47):
that matter? What possibly could it have mattered? That was
the point. Twenty four years later, nearly to the day,
we're still having this conversation. What kind of society are we?
What kind of society do we want to be? What
is it that we want? And how do we get there? So, yes,
(12:11):
we will walk ourselves through the timeline.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yes, we will remember. Forgetting is not an option.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I don't want it to be a sad day, but
it is a somber day. I don't want to leave
people saying, my gosh, I can't listen to this anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
That's that's not what a radio host is supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Ratings are good, I'm told, but we would be fools.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
If we didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
We will do this together today, the conversation about the
assassination of Charlie Kirk and what we know the remembrance
of September eleventh. No, don't worry. I have got other
stuff like Kamala Harris blaming Joe Biden for his reelection campaign.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Huh well, well that's just nutty. It's all here, guys.
I'm glad you're here. Three one seven ninety three ninety three.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
If you want to call in the chat room is
open as we are live streaming right now on YouTube,
YouTube dot com, slash WIBC, Twitter x Tony Kats tonyatonycats
dot com reach Out.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I'm right here with you through it all.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
The live stream is going on YouTube dot com, slash WIBC.
You can also see it on Twitter x me. I'm
Tony Katz. The show is Tony Katz and the Morning News.
That's producer Carl behind the board, Matt Baarn the WIBC
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Speaker 2 (13:37):
Uh, there are.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Other things going on in the world, and I, as
I said, will get to them, and here's one of them.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Kamala Harris is nuts. Tony. I'm sorry, that's not news.
We all knew this.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
We're all fully this is a butte this when it
came out yesterday, and it came out before the assassination,
the murder of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
This was a or what am I witnessing here? Moment.
Kamala Harris in her new book.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Says it was reckless for Joe Biden to seek reelection.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
It's Joe and Joe's decision.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
We all said that like a mantra As if we'd
all been hypnotized this from her book One hundred and
seven Days. Was it grace or was it recklessness? In retrospect,
I think it was recklessness. The stakes were simply too high.
This wasn't a choice that should have been left to
an individual's ego, an individual's ambition. It should have been
more than a personal decision. Why didn't you say this
(14:52):
guy can't run again. Why didn't you say, for the
sake of the country, what are you doing? Why didn't
you go to the cabinet and say this guy's not
qualified and invoke the twenty fifth Amendment.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Oh, and you write it in a book.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I saw if all Joe Biden has to do, and
I'm going to clean it up for radio because I've
been trying it. I've been trying to clean things up.
Joe Biden has to go to any microphone and say
I heard what Kamalas said in her book, and honey, please,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And you know how I want to say it. That
is it. That is all.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Because Joe Biden is not the reason you lost, Kamala Harris, although.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
This story you're telling was reason.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Enough for you to lose, you didn't put the country first.
You put your own self first. I wanted to at
least be vice president so I could run for president.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And I can't go out there and blow it all up.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You could have protected the country and you didn't, and
yet you blame everybody else for their recklessness.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Oh good Lord, that's thank goodness Trump one. Tony Katz
ninety three WIBC. Good morning. For those of you wondering, Hey, Tony,
do you think we would.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Be able to go twenty four hours before people blame
the murder the assassination of Charlie Kirk on Israel? And
the answer is no. I swear to you if you
follow my feed it was a professional masade hit. I'll
(16:43):
say one thing, chores. Hek looks like a professional hit.
Tony Katz ninety three WIBC. Good morning, Charlie Kirk dead
at the age of thirty one. Murdered, assassinated. I think
that term applies now. Assassinated would lead to would be
(17:06):
about political figures, and would you call him a political figure?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
And I would argue that it was.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Very clear he was targeted because of his political views,
political political affiliations.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Success however you want to call it we don't know who.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Did this yet, they had a suspect in custody and
that suspect was then released. It was a person of interest,
according to Governor Spencer Cox of Utah, who did refer
to this as an assassination in his press conference yesterday.
(17:43):
Spencer Cox, the governor did indeed refer to the killing
of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University as an assassination.
The Governor was heartfelt, extremely so in his words.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
And thank you for joining us on this dark and
tragic occasion. I want to thank our law enforcement officers
who are leading this investigation, starting with Chief Long and
his response here with the UBU Police Department. We're grateful
for your leadership and your team, and again to the
(18:27):
speakers that you've just heard from who are co leading
this investigation. I also want to recognize Share Mike Smith,
who has been an invaluable partner as this investigation moves forward.
I've been in touch with President Trump with FBI Director
Cash Patel. We are completely aligned with our state and
(18:49):
federal partners.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
As we work through this case. Now, this is a
dark day for our state, to tragic day for our.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Nation, and I want to be very clear that this
is a political assassination.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
We are celebrating two hundred and fifty years of the
founding of this great nation, that founding document, the Declaration
of Independence, That this great experiment on which we embark
together two hundred and fifty years ago, that we are
endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
The first one of those is life, and today a
life was taken.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
He continued to say, I want to remind people that
we still.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
The death penalty here in the state of Utah. There
is right now no suspecting custody. What they know, what
they don't know, what they've shared with us is what
they've shared with us. It might not be everything, and
I'm not surprised that's not everything. Was this a hit, well,
(20:07):
it seems to me that this shooter was on a
rooftop some two hundred yards plus away. As people who
know firearms better than I do, remember, I'm a Second
Amendment guy, not a gun guy. I support firearms manufacturers.
I support people who sell firearms, both fast tech and
premiere arms right here in Indiana. But I never claim
(20:30):
an expertise like Guy Ralford has or others have. There
will be those who immediately will tell you, well, this
was clearly an assassin, and this and this and this
and none of the others to tell you, guys, this
was a very easy shot for anybody who has ten
minutes of training.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I'm going to be engaging with guy.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I'll be engaging with Cam Edwards over at Bearing Arms
and others.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
To get an idea of what they think. What matters
here is that.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
The animus, the hatred, the vitriol, the anger, the desire
to silence people that they disagree with, that has permeated.
This is the society, not all of us, not all
of us, not us.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Remember they not like us.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
They murdered the United Healthcare CEO in the middle of
the street, and people cheered, and then they want to
know how they could go on a date with the killer.
They said it was okay to threaten Supreme Court justices.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Chuck Schumer said, you will reap the whirlwind and you.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Will pay the price to the Supreme Court if they
don't do what the mob wants. I have made the
argument that the only way out is through, but we
have to understand what it is we're going through, and
we're going.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Through the political killing season.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
It's not that I want it. It's not that it's good.
It's not that it's bright, it's not that it's smart.
It's that when you demonize and dehumanize an entire group
of people and call them Nazis, and call them fascists
and call them a threat to democracy, the only end
result is Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
The only end result is this that you understand, and
I understand.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
That in a world of copycats, I can't imagine there
isn't anybody on this side of the microphone who isn't like, well,
this is coming, Well this is happening.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yep, yep. Does my life change?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
But if I am more honest and open about this,
what if you post something on Facebook?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
You post something on Facebook and someone doesn't like, look
at what has been? What?
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Look at that There are levels of celebration out there
taking place over the assassination, the killing of Charlie Kirk,
who leaves behind two very small children and a wife.
The only way out is through, and the only way
through it is together. And that is my plan.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
That's my whole plan. And I hope you're with me.
These are the times the trimends souls, the summer soldier
and the sunshine patriot will in this crisis shrink from the.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Service of their country.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
But he that stands it now deserves the love and
thanks a man and woman.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. Yet we have
this consolation with us that the heart of the conflict,
the more glorious.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
The triumph Thomas Paine, the American crisis?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What else could I think be? Turn the music?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
What else could best kind of explain where we are?
Tony Katz ninety three WIBC. Good morning, Charlie Kirk, killed
yesterday at the age of thirty one, speaking to a
college crowd at Utah Valley University. This is the twenty
fourth anniversary of September eleventh. This is not an easy day.
(01:15):
I have often found from you that it is the
not easy days where we show our best. This will
not be a conversation, at least from me today about
the glorifying of Charlie Kirk. I didn't know him. I
didn't always agree with him. He had a different view
of how to engage than I did. But there is
(01:37):
no question that his engagement worked. His engagement was effective.
His engagement reached people. And there was absolutely no question
that when you could sit yourself down on a campus
to where the campus pours out to see you, to
the tune of thousands of people who want to watch him,
well really dismantle leftist arguments, to which he did.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I think with rousing success. That is an oddity.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
That is something and for many on a campus, for
many in America to see somebody stand up and say no, this,
this and this, and I am not swayed.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
By the problem.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's good. It's one thing to hear it. It's another
thing to see it. It's another thing to feel. It's
nothing to experience it. That is impressive stuff. He's extremely
good at the recall, extremely good at finding in his
mind the obscure fact that would work to his favor.
(02:48):
He didn't deserve to die assassinated as he would, murdered
as he would depending on how you want to say
these things. As he was speaking to a crowd engaging
in the debate, that we make claim.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Matters in the nation, but.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
It's obvious that we are not one nation under God, indivisible.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Rather we are indeed divided, as we have discussed as
we have discussed.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Here, the only way out is through, and we must
identify what it is we are dealing with. We don't
know who shot Charlie Kirk. That person is still on
the run. They had a person of interest, they let
that person of interest go.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We do not, at least as publicly reported to have
a suspect in custody. We don't.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
We do have plenty of people on the political left
cheering for Charlie Kirk's death. And we do not go
as September eleventh without reminding ourselves that we are here,
that we were attacked and we came through it. I
don't go a day without recognizing that the people of
flight ninety three very well may have saved my life.
(03:58):
I'm here because of them. I am here because of them.
It is a rough day, a day, these are the
times that try men's souls. My gosh, that's on point.
And yet here we are waking up, taking a shower,
(04:19):
drinking coffee, turning on the radio and heading to work
because our lives go on with remembrance though that's our
plan today. Tony Kats ninety three WIBC, good morning. Very
often the September eleventh, two thousand and one. Timeline is
thought to start at seven fifty nine am, when flight
eleven took off from Boston heading for Los Angeles, seventy
(04:42):
six passengers, eleven crew, five hijackers on board. Tony Kats
ninety three WIBC, good morning, Good to be with you
on a somber day. Don't worry. I'm gonna get you
through it. We will leave this morning saying we can
handle these things because I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
We don't have an option.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
No, hold on, wait, I'm positive we don't have an option.
Tony cad I say hello, I did say hello.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It was a weird morning.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And then I had been preparing for September eleventh, then
the murder of Charlie Kirk, and I went back to
make sure that every firearm I have in the studio
it is good to go. Not that any firearm was
going to stop whoever it is that murdered Charlie Kirk
from doing so, that I should at least have a chance.
(05:34):
And if you say to me, wait, is he serious?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Oh? Very, very horrifically very But we don't. We take
a look at.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
September eleventh, and we think this timeline starts with the
takeoff of flight eleven, then United Flight.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
One seventy five. Flight eleven was American Airlines.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
No, the timeline starts at five point forty five am
before we began this show, when two of the hijackers
boarded their plane in Maine.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
As we sit.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Here right now, the plans and the efforts twenty four
years ago for September eleventh had already begun. Plans and
efforts had already begun. Which is a horrifying thought, because
twenty four years later, there's a guy who lived in
DC at the time and experienced September eleventh in Washington,
(06:38):
d C.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Just blocks from the White House and blocks from the Capitol.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I do not joke when I say that the people
of flight ninety three absolutely saved my life a flight
that was a thought to be heading towards the White House.
The White House is not an easy target sunk between
two other buildings. To have missed that White House would
have been very easy. To then decide to try and
hit the Capitol could have happened, And for that plane
(07:03):
to have crashed anywhere in between, as I was at
ninth and EE, very possible. And you cannot convince me
at all in any way on any level that the
people who took down Flight ninety three, who tried to
stop the hijackers, I should say, I'm Flight ninety three
as a crash in Shanksville.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Pennsylvania, didn't save my life. You will never get me
not to believe that. But there were things at play.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
And I would commend you to reading The Looming Tower,
and to certainly, if not watching the series on Hulu,
as it is stunning and frightening and horrific and angering
all at the same time. But twenty four years later,
we're still sharing the stories, We're still watching the videos, videos.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
That must be watched.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
You need to watch that people jumped out of the
hundredth floor, the eighty eighth floor.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Because the flames were too hot, and.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Somehow, in that moment that was more desirous, more rational
than staying inside. The phone calls of people, people on
the phone while the buildings fell, Phone calls to loved
ones saying I'm not getting out of this. I love you,
take care of yourself. I am not one for the maudlin.
(08:31):
I never have been. I have never understood it. But
I am one for remembering, and I am certainly one
for saying that.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
You have to remember by actually watching the.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Horror, there are if you are the Eric Swallwalls of
the world and you're willing to say well nine to eleven, Well,
January sixth is just like September eleventh. No, no, it
wasn't in any way, shape or form. Was January sixth
(09:06):
like September eleventh.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Tuesday nine forty seven, am, Hi.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Baby, baby, you have the litenipity. Carefully. I'm on a plane.
It's a hijach.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I'm I'm calling from the plane.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I want to tell you I love you. Sease tell
my children that I love them very much and I'm
so sorry they I hope to be able to see
your face against.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Baby, I love you. They're not the same.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I don't claim that January sixth wasn't a riot, but
they're not the same. And it is of course seen
that the Democratic Party wants to try and create this
in the mind. They're desperate to make fetch happen in
this way. Stop it, Gretchen, Stop with the fetch. It's
(09:57):
just not going to happen. Listening to the horror, watching
the horror is not about being morbid, but rather a
reminder of what it is that happened, and the people that.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Are out there still to this day, planning before.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
We have even woken up, five point forty five am
boarding the flight out of an airport in Maine to
head to Boston. I mean, isn't that just the story
They were already operating before we ever woke up.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I wonder.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
If it ever comes a moment where we wake up,
if there's ever a moment where we are more awake
than they, if we are prepared to engage the way
we moust Twenty four years later, we haven't answered the question.
Twenty four years later, we have further internalized the enemy.
(11:10):
I have seen the enemy, and the enemy is us.
We are We were attacked by a society that does
not believe no no, no, you're just being invasive and
you're in our space and you shouldn't be here.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
They believe in the worldwide Caliphate, and they don't believe
we should be allowed to express ourselves, share ideas, share
our values, engage in pluralism, et cetera. What is so different?
After Charlie Kirk was assassinated yesterday for sharing an idea,
by the way, I wasn't down with everything, What did
(11:47):
that matter? What possibly could it have mattered? That was
the point. Twenty four years later, nearly to the day,
we're still having this conversation. What kind of society are we?
What kind of society do we want to be? What
is it that we want? And how do we get there? So, yes,
(12:11):
we will walk ourselves through the timeline.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yes, we will remember. Forgetting is not an option.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I don't want it to be a sad day, but
it is a somber day. I don't want to leave
people saying, my gosh, I can't listen to this anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
That's that's not what a radio host is supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Ratings are good, I'm told, but we would be fools.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
If we didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
We will do this together today, the conversation about the
assassination of Charlie Kirk and what we know the remembrance
of September eleventh. No, don't worry. I have got other
stuff like Kamala Harris blaming Joe Biden for his reelection campaign.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Huh well, well that's just nutty. It's all here, guys.
I'm glad you're here. Three one seven ninety three ninety three.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
If you want to call in the chat room is
open as we are live streaming right now on YouTube,
YouTube dot com, slash WIBC, Twitter x Tony Kats tonyatonycats
dot com reach Out.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I'm right here with you through it all.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
The live stream is going on YouTube dot com, slash WIBC.
You can also see it on Twitter x me. I'm
Tony Katz. The show is Tony Katz and the Morning News.
That's producer Carl behind the board, Matt Baarn the WIBC
traffic center, Ryan Hedrick in the WIBC newsroom.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Uh, there are.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Other things going on in the world, and I, as
I said, will get to them, and here's one of them.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Kamala Harris is nuts. Tony. I'm sorry, that's not news.
We all knew this.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
We're all fully this is a butte this when it
came out yesterday, and it came out before the assassination,
the murder of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
This was a or what am I witnessing here? Moment.
Kamala Harris in her new book.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Says it was reckless for Joe Biden to seek reelection.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
It's Joe and Joe's decision.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
We all said that like a mantra As if we'd
all been hypnotized this from her book One hundred and
seven Days. Was it grace or was it recklessness? In retrospect,
I think it was recklessness. The stakes were simply too high.
This wasn't a choice that should have been left to
an individual's ego, an individual's ambition. It should have been
more than a personal decision. Why didn't you say this
(14:52):
guy can't run again. Why didn't you say, for the
sake of the country, what are you doing? Why didn't
you go to the cabinet and say this guy's not
qualified and invoke the twenty fifth Amendment.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Oh, and you write it in a book.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I saw if all Joe Biden has to do, and
I'm going to clean it up for radio because I've
been trying it. I've been trying to clean things up.
Joe Biden has to go to any microphone and say
I heard what Kamalas said in her book, and honey, please,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And you know how I want to say it. That
is it. That is all.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Because Joe Biden is not the reason you lost, Kamala Harris, although.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
This story you're telling was reason.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Enough for you to lose, you didn't put the country first.
You put your own self first. I wanted to at
least be vice president so I could run for president.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And I can't go out there and blow it all up.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You could have protected the country and you didn't, and
yet you blame everybody else for their recklessness.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Oh good Lord, that's thank goodness Trump one. Tony Katz
ninety three WIBC. Good morning. For those of you wondering, Hey, Tony,
do you think we would.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Be able to go twenty four hours before people blame
the murder the assassination of Charlie Kirk on Israel? And
the answer is no. I swear to you if you
follow my feed it was a professional masade hit. I'll
(16:43):
say one thing, chores. Hek looks like a professional hit.
Tony Katz ninety three WIBC. Good morning, Charlie Kirk dead
at the age of thirty one. Murdered, assassinated. I think
that term applies now. Assassinated would lead to would be
(17:06):
about political figures, and would you call him a political figure?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
And I would argue that it was.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Very clear he was targeted because of his political views,
political political affiliations.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Success however you want to call it we don't know who.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Did this yet, they had a suspect in custody and
that suspect was then released. It was a person of interest,
according to Governor Spencer Cox of Utah, who did refer
to this as an assassination in his press conference yesterday.
(17:43):
Spencer Cox, the governor did indeed refer to the killing
of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University as an assassination.
The Governor was heartfelt, extremely so in his words.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
And thank you for joining us on this dark and
tragic occasion. I want to thank our law enforcement officers
who are leading this investigation, starting with Chief Long and
his response here with the UBU Police Department. We're grateful
for your leadership and your team, and again to the
(18:27):
speakers that you've just heard from who are co leading
this investigation. I also want to recognize Share Mike Smith,
who has been an invaluable partner as this investigation moves forward.
I've been in touch with President Trump with FBI Director
Cash Patel. We are completely aligned with our state and
(18:49):
federal partners.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
As we work through this case. Now, this is a
dark day for our state, to tragic day for our.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Nation, and I want to be very clear that this
is a political assassination.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
We are celebrating two hundred and fifty years of the
founding of this great nation, that founding document, the Declaration
of Independence, That this great experiment on which we embark
together two hundred and fifty years ago, that we are
endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
The first one of those is life, and today a
life was taken.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
He continued to say, I want to remind people that
we still.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
The death penalty here in the state of Utah. There
is right now no suspecting custody. What they know, what
they don't know, what they've shared with us is what
they've shared with us. It might not be everything, and
I'm not surprised that's not everything. Was this a hit, well,
(20:07):
it seems to me that this shooter was on a
rooftop some two hundred yards plus away. As people who
know firearms better than I do, remember, I'm a Second
Amendment guy, not a gun guy. I support firearms manufacturers.
I support people who sell firearms, both fast tech and
premiere arms right here in Indiana. But I never claim
(20:30):
an expertise like Guy Ralford has or others have. There
will be those who immediately will tell you, well, this
was clearly an assassin, and this and this and this
and none of the others to tell you, guys, this
was a very easy shot for anybody who has ten
minutes of training.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I'm going to be engaging with guy.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I'll be engaging with Cam Edwards over at Bearing Arms
and others.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
To get an idea of what they think. What matters
here is that.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
The animus, the hatred, the vitriol, the anger, the desire
to silence people that they disagree with, that has permeated.
This is the society, not all of us, not all
of us, not us.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Remember they not like us.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
They murdered the United Healthcare CEO in the middle of
the street, and people cheered, and then they want to
know how they could go on a date with the killer.
They said it was okay to threaten Supreme Court justices.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Chuck Schumer said, you will reap the whirlwind and you.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Will pay the price to the Supreme Court if they
don't do what the mob wants. I have made the
argument that the only way out is through, but we
have to understand what it is we're going through, and
we're going.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Through the political killing season.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
It's not that I want it. It's not that it's good.
It's not that it's bright, it's not that it's smart.
It's that when you demonize and dehumanize an entire group
of people and call them Nazis, and call them fascists
and call them a threat to democracy, the only end
result is Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
The only end result is this that you understand, and
I understand.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
That in a world of copycats, I can't imagine there
isn't anybody on this side of the microphone who isn't like, well,
this is coming, Well this is happening.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yep, yep. Does my life change?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
But if I am more honest and open about this,
what if you post something on Facebook?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
You post something on Facebook and someone doesn't like, look
at what has been? What?
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Look at that There are levels of celebration out there
taking place over the assassination, the killing of Charlie Kirk,
who leaves behind two very small children and a wife.
The only way out is through, and the only way
through it is together. And that is my plan.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
That's my whole plan. And I hope you're with me.
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