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September 11, 2025 • 23 mins

September 11th effects us every day. Bartholomew County Democrats delight in Kirk's assassination. Matthew Dowd has been fired from MSNBC after his reprehensible comments about Charlie Kirk. A new Banksy artwork at the Royal Courts of Justice has been quickly covered up by authorities. The piece showed a judge attacking a protester with a gavel. Calls to loved ones on 9/11. Where Tony was during that fateful day.

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
That looks like a second plane. Yes, to a plane
go in that just exploded. I just saw another plane
coming in from the side you did out of a y.
That's the second explosion.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
You can see the plane come in just from the
right hand side of the screen. So this looks like
it is some sort of a concerted effort to attack.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Twenty four years ago, September eleventh, two thousand and one.
Tony Katz, ninety three WIBC. Good morning, twenty four years
since September eleventh, less than twenty four hours since the
assassination of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
It is indeed a rough morning.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
There is much to get to, but these subjects will
lead exactly what evil do we have, how does one
combat it, how do we come together to do it?
How do we ensure that we are victorious? And who
is it that is we just Republicans, just conservatives? How

(01:17):
about the free and thinking people who don't believe that
the answer is the death of another.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
No society is healthy in this way.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
The Islamists who attacked and murdered two thousand plus on
September eleventh, they're not healthy people, are not good people,
and to this day Islamists are neither healthy nor good people.
They are a danger to all of society. If the
murderers of September eleventh were to be successful, the dark

(01:50):
ages around the globe would never cease. If the murderer
of Charlie Kirk is successful, the dark ages will last forever.
We will never be able to speak, we will never
be able to share, we will never be able to engage.
And if they are to believe they can silence Charlie

(02:13):
Kirk and therefore move down the line of silencing others
who dare speak up.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Do they feel.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Emboldened by such things? These are the conversations going on,
usually encapsulated in the statement of what the hell is
happening out there? What is wrong with people? What kind
of world is this? Leaving us to question how we

(02:39):
explain this to our kids, some of us having different
conversations than others, depending.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
On age and a host of things.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
There are things happening in the world, things that do
affect us.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I'll give you. I'll give you one story. The aes.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
We're talking about energy here in the state of Indiana.
Their rate increase. The recommendation is that it be denied.
You've got the Indiana office, a utility consumer counselor calling
for reduction in AES rates based on the case's evidence
and applicable law. So they want a rate increase, and
the state is saying, nah, as a matter of fact.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Let's bring that down.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
These are things that affect our lives on the daily.
What we're paying for energy, how it is we're able
to afford the daily things. September eleventh affects our life
on the daily. And it is imperative that at this time,
year after year, without fail and without question, we remember it,

(03:43):
and we go over it, and we go through it,
and we do not stop, and we do not cease,
and we do not rest. And we watch the horrific videos,
and we watch the firefighters, the first responders covered in smoke.
We ask ourselves, how could we have missed such a thing,
And then we ask ourselves, what are we doing to
ensure that never happens again? What are we doing to
ensure that we win? What are we doing to ensure

(04:08):
that we don't forget as many would like us to.
There will be people who try to memory hole what
happened to Charlie Kirk just yesterday, less than twenty four
hours ago, in a video that if you haven't seen it,
I don't know if I recommend it, although I absolutely
state that you must watch the videos from September eleventh
because you cannot be allowed to forget. I don't know,

(04:32):
I don't know why I see them as different.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yesterday was horrifying.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
We will get into what we know about the murder
of the assassination of Charlie Kirk and some of the
responses which have already led to some people being fired,
which is a good start. We're here, guys, we're together,
and our brighter days are still ahead. I absolutely believe it.

(04:59):
Tony ninety three, WIBC, Good Morning. Changing the show around
a bit between September eleventh, twenty four years later between
the assassination.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Of Charlie Kirk. We're going to keep it down a little.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
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story from here in Indiana, a story that happened nationwide. First,

(07:04):
the Indiana Democratic Party after the assassination.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Of Charlie Kirk yesterday. I mean, that's what happened, right
He was speaking.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
To a crowd of thousands. He was shot in the
neck from two hundred plus yards.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
What kind of weapon was used, we do not know.
We know that there is there was a person of interest.
That person was.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Released and right now there is no other information that
we have unless it's come out in the last thirty seconds.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
About a suspect.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
There is a man hunt underway, and I have to
assume it is going to be the largest manhunt history.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Everybody's gonna be coming out of the woodwork.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
To find who killed Charlie Kirk, Who was responsible for this?
The Indiana Democratic Party tweeted out, we are horrified by
today's attack on Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
In Utah.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
We condemned political violence of any kind anywhere in our country.
No one should fear being a target of violence while
expressing their First Amendment rights. We are thinking and praying
for Charlie and his family. Now I had responded to
this by saying he wasn't attacked, he was assassinated. It
was pointed out to me in a very very crude
way that this post was put out an hour plus

(08:29):
before we knew that Charlie Kirk had died, and so
for that I did a repost in saying this post
came out before they knew.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Now, I would never have set attack. I would have
said he was shot.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
I still may take umbrage with the word, but I
can at least be clear about the fact.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
That this was before we.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Knew that Charlie had been killed, and that is that
is important to note and to remember. That does not
change the fact that the Bartholomew County Democrats put out
a statement or put out a post on Facebook sharing
the news that Charlie Kirk had died, and they wrote

(09:13):
violent delights have violent ends.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
That post has now been deleted. I put it out there.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
When will will you call on the Bartholomew County Democrats
to take down this post. I do not know if
the Indiana Democratic Party did or didn't. They have not
yet said anything about it. The question before us is,
Bartholomew County Democrats, does your leadership remain? Shouldn't they all quit?

(09:42):
Shouldn't they all resign right now for allowing that? Yes,
they may not have written it, but it happened on
their watch.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's over.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
This is the kind of thing that took place. Well,
Charlie Kirk deserved it. Why because he disagreed with you.
This is the Matthew Dowd story. And the story about
Matthew Dowd on MSNBC is that, in the moments after

(10:12):
we learned about this shooting, which if you have seen
the video is so absolutely horrific.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
It it will.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
It will shock the senses, Matthew Dowd on live television.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Said this, yeah, and again emphasize what you just emphasized.
We don't know any of the full details of this that.
We don't know if this was a supporter shooting their
gun off and celebration or so. We have no idea
about it.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
On what planet could it have possibly been a supporter
shooting off of firearm and celebration. Why would you say it?
You say it because you are a radically hateful person.
You say it because you are disparaging, because you are rude,
because you have.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Lost all your humanity. He then went down this line.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
He's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger
figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this
sort of hate speech or sort of aimed.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
At certain groups.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to
hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I
think that's the environment we're in that people just you
can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have
and then saying these awful words and not expect awful
actions to take place.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
And that Matthew dwe just said of Charlie Kirk, his
skirt was too short.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
He deserved it.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
No conversation about civility, no conversation about people living and
let live, no conversation about free speech.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Nope, he said things that other people don't like.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Matthew Dowd determined them as hateful and therefore he deserved it.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Matthew Dowd got fired by MSNBC.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
They wrote last night through their pr side, not on
their official channel. During our breaking news coverage of the
shooting of Charlie Kirk, Matthew Dowd made comments that were
inappropriate and sensitive and unacceptable. We apologize for his statements,
as has he There is no place for violence in America,
political or otherwise. He was fired and got announced this morning.

(12:39):
Lost humanity is a real thing. Hate rocks the brain.
But you know as well as I do, there are
people at MSNBC and CNN, the New York Times and
Washington Post and all across America, and in the Indiana
Democratic Party Hello Bartholomew County that agree, as obvious by

(13:02):
the statement from the Indiana Democrats as a whole, who
even if they didn't believe it, they at least put
out what can be seen as a proper statement. And
I'm not going to disparage them by saying they don't
believe it, but clearly Bartholomew County Democrats don't believe it.
Pure raw, unadulterated evil is the only way to describe

(13:23):
these comments and these minds, these people who think they
are our intellectual betters, they do believe that, and they
do believe that you are the one engaged in some
horrible conversation, in some horrible talking point, and they.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Are the good and the just.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Trump is a Nazi, Trump is Hitler, Trump is terrible.
Trump is a fascist. Trump is taking away your rights.
We have to do something.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
We hear me.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
I have been discussing that the left has been calling
for a lone wolf for years, and they got their
lone wolf in Butler, Pennsylvania. And then they tried to
get their law there at mar A Lago. They got
their lone wolf. They're at Utah Valley, Utah Valley University
and the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Do I think this is going to end?

Speaker 3 (14:18):
You understand that we are all going to be subjected
to an episode of the View where they say, well,
you understand that Matthew Dowd will have another job. You
understand that there is a segment of the populace that
believes you should not be allowed to speak. I should

(14:39):
not be allowed to speak, we should not be allowed
to share. We saw this when they told us that
the New York Posts can't share a story about Hunter
Biden a laptop, which was one hundred percent accurate.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
You were told this, shown this when you were.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Not allowed to say, hey this vaccine is it really effective?

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Is it totally safe?

Speaker 3 (15:01):
They can't silence you one way, they will try to
silence you another way. This is not me engaging in
hyperbole or engaging in an act of violence. This is
me carefully, thoughtfully breaking down the evidence that has been presented.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Our side. I didn't say you were a Republican or
a conservative.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
The people, the free and thinking people, the people who
believe in debates, who believe in conversation, who believe in
actual civility, which is not the tyranny of the other side.
Civility is not please and thank you, It is not agreement,
It is not kind words.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
It is being able to control oneself enough to not in.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Totally terrorize the minority or the minority not trying to
silence others who may disagree with them by acting in
that violent way.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
We have to win.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
That's a lesson for today. Whether we're talking about Charlie
Kirk or September eleventh, we have to win. And there's
no option in.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
That airplane that's hijacking.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Go roll.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
And as for the buck, you, I.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Want to have good time frame for my parents and everybody.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
And I have totally and alway ter did.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Are they going to be able to get somebody up here? Floor?
It's completely in goolfed well on the floor and we
can't breathe. It's very, very very hot. No no, no, no,
no no, say I'm going to die.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Say your fast, you do a good stop man, you
don't go hot.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
I'm verty hup.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
I just want to wait. You know I love you.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
When I'm in New York, I want to smoke, and.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
You just want to do the.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Words of those who lost their lives on September eleventh
are brutal, and I share them in a way that
means them to be.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Exactly what they were.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
They should hit as hard, they should feel as strong.
They should tear you as they must have for those
who listened to them live or heard the messages later, wondering,
wait was my loved one on that flight?

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Wait was my loved one in the building at the time?
Come back home?

Speaker 3 (17:26):
And to hear that two thousand and one, It wasn't
VOICEMAILT was answering machines. Tony Katz ninety three WIBC, good morning,
we remember September eleventh, twenty four years ago today, as
I was a restaurant manager in Washington, DC, I was
training someone. That's what I was doing. Twenty four years ago.

(17:48):
I was training someone and they came in and said,
you have to see this. Seven point fifty nine, nine
minutes from right now, Flight eleven American Airlines takes off
from Boston heading for Los Angeles, seventy six passengers, eleven
crew members, five hijackers on board. It would be only

(18:08):
sixteen minutes after that the United Airlines Flight one seventy
five took off from Boston, fifty one passengers, nine crew members,
five hijackers aboard.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
The sounds of nine to eleven matter, and we share them.
And now we have.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Less than twenty four hours ago, the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
Killed for speaking, killed because somebody disagreed with him, Killed
because well, we can't let those people on the political right.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Have a say.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
They're trying to take away our rights, and they're authoritarians,
and they're trying to create a theocracy. And how does
one deal with such a day? How do we engage
and how do we move forward? First, let's at least
keep our wits and remember that the sun did rise today,

(19:08):
and the sun will indeed rise tomorrow. Our options are
limited in the concept of how we go into tomorrow.
Tomorrow is coming, and the only thing that we ever
really have a choice in is how we're going to
face it. The mood, the attitude, et cetera. Right, what

(19:31):
is the line, whether you think you can or whether
you think you can't, You're right. This concept, this idea
of this philosophy, that it is up to us how
you view the day, how you view the moment. What
is your plan when you wake up in the morning,
What was your plan today? What will be your plan tomorrow?
How do you explain that to your kids? And what

(19:52):
do you want their plan to be? I think there
is an imperative there that we are going to be
waking up tomorrow, in the next day and the next day.
I put forth to you that that reminder that understanding
is extremely valuable and only should help in setting the course.

(20:15):
I want tomorrow to be better than today, but I
can't forget what happened today or yesterday. I have no
plans I'm forgetting. September eleventh, I was a restaurant manager
in Washington, d C. It's the hard rock Cafe ninth
and E. I don't know if I was a very
good restaurant manager. I was the depths of my depression.
I must have made everybody around me miserable.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
I must have. I was miserable. How could I not
make other people miserable?

Speaker 3 (20:44):
And I came out to see what was going on
on the TVs and saw the second plane hit, and
next to the hard Rock Cafe, which is next to
Ford's Theater where Abraham Lincoln was assassinated, it was the
FBI building, and I watched people run for their lives
from the FBI building.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
I didn't even understand at the time it was terrorism.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
I think as I look back on how I handled
myself in the days after, I don't think I handled
myself well.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
I don't think I understood what was really happening.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
But it was from that moment that I said, I
don't know what I'm doing here, but I shouldn't be
doing this. I should be talking about this. Was it
was then that I started engaging truly. I always politically aware,
but not this. That's where it came from. I was
not a nine to twelve conservative. I was aware of
how much I didn't know on nine to twelve, I

(21:42):
was aware of my God, the world is bigger than me,
and I started digging in. How we go about what's next, Well,
that matters. And I have said to you before that
the only way out is through let me at least
give you and remind you of this. That tomorrow will

(22:03):
come and it is up to us how we handle
it and how we look at it. And I think
that that in and of itself is a positive.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yes. Are there people out there trying to do us harm? Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Are there people out there who want to shut us up,
you and me together?

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Are there violent people out there. There's still a murderer
on the run. They do not have a suspect in
the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
What we do tomorrow is up to us, and what
we do today is up to us, And what we
do today will have a bearing on what happens tomorrow.
We have to decide that we're going to keep at it.
Are we gonna speak freely?

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Absolutely? Are we're gonna keep engaging absolutely? Are we gonna
be cowed, absolutely not. Are we gonna be shy, absolutely not?
Will we be silenced no?

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Will we remember and make sure we do everything possible
to it sure it doesn't happen again September eleventh or
Charlie Kirk political assassinations. Absolutely, we will together. We don't
have any other options, or at least no good ones.
I'm glad you're here.
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