September 11, 2025 • 74 mins
THESE are the times that try men's souls. It is 9/11. We will not forget. Kamala Harris calling Biden's re-election campaign "reckless" is just surreal. Utah Governor Spencer Cox says the killing of Charlie Kirk was a political assassination. September 11th effects us every day. Bartholomew County Democrats delight in Kirk's assassination. Matthew Dowd has been fired from MSNBC after his reprehensible comments about Charlie Kirk. A new Banksy artwork at the Royal Courts of Justice has been quickly covered up by authorities. The piece showed a judge attacking a protester with a gavel. Calls to loved ones on 9/11. Where Tony was during that fateful day. Kirk's assassin wanted to silence him and free speech. Remember those who died on United Flight 93. Bartholomew County Democrats blame the 2nd Amendment, not Kirk's assassin. They want to silence free speech, they want to take away our freedom. Don't let them.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
These are the times the trimends souls, the summer soldier
and the sunshine patriot will in this crisis shrink from the.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Service of their country.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
But he that stands it now deserves the love and
thanks a man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not
easily conquered. Yet we have this consolation with us that
the heart of the conflict, the more glorious the triumph
Thomas Paine, the American crisis? What else could I think be?
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Turn the music? What else could best kind of explain
where we are? Tony Katz ninety three WIBC. Good morning,
Charlie Kirk, killed yesterday at the age of thirty one,
speaking to a college crowd at Utah Valley University. This
is the twenty fourth anniversary of September eleventh. This is
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not an easy day. I have often found from you
that it is the not easy days where we show
our best. This will not be a conversation, at least
from me today about the glorifying of Charlie Kirk. I
didn't know him. I didn't always agree with him. He
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had a different view of how to engage than I did.
But there is no question that his engagement worked. His
engagement was effective. His engagement reached people. And there was
absolutely no question that when you could sit yourself down
on a campus to where the campus pours out to
see you, to the tune of thousands of people who
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want to watch him, well really dismantle leftist arguments, to
which he did. I think with rousing success. That is
an oddity. That is something and for many on a campus,
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for many in America to see somebody stand up and
say no, this, this and this, and I am not swayed.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
By the problem.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's good. It's one thing to hear it. It's another
thing to see it. It's another thing to feel. It's
nothing to experience it. That is impressive stuff. He's extremely
good at the recall, extremely good at finding in his
mind the obscure fact that would work to his favor.
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He didn't deserve to die assassinated as he would, murdered
as he would depending on how you want to say
these things. As he was speaking to a crowd engaging
in the debate, that we make claim matters in the nation,
but it's obvious that we are not one nation under God, indivisible.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Rather we are indeed divided.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
As we have discussed as we have discussed here, the
only way out is through, and we must identify what
it is we are dealing with. We don't know who
shot Charlie Kirk. That person is still on the run.
They had a person of interest, they let that person
of interest go.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We do not, at least as.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Publicly reported to have a suspect in custody.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
We do have plenty of people on the political left
cheering for Charlie Kirk's death. And we do not go
as September eleventh without reminding ourselves that we are here,
that we were attacked and we came through it. I
don't go a day without recognizing that the people of
flight ninety three very well may have saved my life.
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I'm here because of them. I am here because of them.
It is a rough day, a day, these are the
times that try men's souls. My gosh, that's on point.
And yet here we are waking up, taking a shower,
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drinking coffee, turning on the radio and heading to work
because our lives go on with remembrance though that's our
plan today. Tony Kats ninety three WIBC, good morning. Very
often the September eleventh, two thousand and one. Timeline is
thought to start at seven fifty nine am, when flight
eleven took off from Boston heading for Los Angeles, seventy
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six passengers, eleven crew, five hijackers on board. Tony Kats
ninety three WIBC, good morning, Good to be with you
on a somber day. Don't worry. I'm gonna get you
through it. We will leave this morning saying we can
handle these things because I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
We don't have an option.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
No, hold on, wait, I'm positive we don't have an option.
Tony cad I say hello, I did say hello.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It was a weird morning.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And then I had been preparing for September eleventh, then
the murder of Charlie Kirk, and I went back to
make sure that every firearm I have in the studio
it is good to go. Not that any firearm was
going to stop whoever it is that murdered Charlie Kirk
from doing so, that I should at least have a chance.
(05:34):
And if you say to me, wait, is he serious?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Oh? Very, very horrifically very But we don't. We take
a look at.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
September eleventh, and we think this timeline starts with the
takeoff of flight eleven, then United Flight.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
One seventy five. Flight eleven was American Airlines.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
No, the timeline starts at five point forty five am
before we began this show, when two of the hijackers
boarded their plane in Maine.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
As we sit.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Here right now, the plans and the efforts twenty four
years ago for September eleventh had already begun. Plans and
efforts had already begun. Which is a horrifying thought, because
twenty four years later, there's a guy who lived in
DC at the time and experienced September eleventh in Washington,
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d C. Just blocks from the White House and blocks
from the Capitol. I do not joke when I say
that the people of flight ninety three absolutely saved my
life a flight that was a thought to be heading
towards the White House. The White House is not an
easy target sunk between two other buildings. To have missed
that White House would have been very easy. To then
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decide to try and hit the Capitol could have happened,
And for that plane to have crashed anywhere in between,
as I was at ninth and EE, very possible. And
you cannot convince me at all in any way on
any level that the people who took down Flight ninety three,
who tried to stop the hijackers, I should say, I'm
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Flight ninety three as a crash in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, didn't
save my life. You will never get me not.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
To believe that. But there were things at play.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
And I would commend you to reading The Looming Tower,
and to certainly, if not watching the series on Hulu,
as it is stunning and frightening and horrific and angering
all at the same time. But twenty four years later,
we're still sharing the stories, We're still watching the videos,
videos that must be watched. You need to watch that
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people jumped out of the hundredth floor, the eighty eighth
floor because the flames were too hot, and somehow, in
that moment that was more desirous, more rational than staying inside.
The phone calls of people, people on the phone while
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the buildings fell, Phone calls to loved ones saying I'm
not getting out of this. I love you, take care
of yourself. I am not one for the maudlin. I
never have been. I have never understood it. But I
am one for remembering, and I am certainly one for
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saying that you have to remember by actually watching the horror,
there are if you are the Eric Swallwalls of the
world and you're willing to say well nine to eleven, Well,
January sixth is just like September eleventh. No, no, it
wasn't in any way, shape or form. Was January sixth
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like September eleventh.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Tuesday nine forty seven, am, Hi.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Baby, baby, you have the litenipity. Carefully. I'm on a plane.
It's a hijach.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I'm I'm calling from the plane.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I want to tell you I love you. Sease tell
my children that I love them very much and I'm
so sorry they I hope to be able to see
your face against Baby, I love you.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
They're not the same.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I don't claim that January sixth wasn't a riot, but
they're not the same. And it is of course seen
that the Democratic Party wants to try and create this
in the mind. They're desperate to make fetch happen in
this way. Stop it, Gretchen, Stop with the fetch. It's
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just not going to happen. Listening to the horror, watching
the horror is not about being morbid, but rather a
reminder of what it is that happened, and the people that.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Are out there still to this day, planning before.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
We have even woken up, five point forty five am
boarding the flight out of an airport in Maine to
head to Boston. I mean, isn't that just the story
They were already operating before we ever woke up. I
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wonder if it ever comes a moment where we wake up,
if there's ever a moment where we are more awake
than they, if we are prepared to engage the way
we moust Twenty four years later, we haven't answered the question.
Twenty four years later, we have further internalized the enemy.
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I have seen the enemy, and the enemy is us.
We are We were attacked by a society that does
not believe no no, no, you're just being invasive and
you're in our space and you shouldn't be here. No, no, no.
They believe in the worldwide Caliphate, and they don't believe
we should be allowed to express ourselves, share ideas, share
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our values, engage in pluralism, et cetera. What is so different?
After Charlie Kirk was assassinated yesterday for sharing an idea,
by the way, I wasn't down with everything, What did
that matter? What possibly could it have mattered? That was
the point. Twenty four years later, nearly to the day,
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we're still having this conversation. What kind of society are we?
What kind of society do we want to be? What
is it that we want? And how do we get there? So, yes,
we will walk ourselves through the timeline.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yes, we will remember. Forgetting is not an option.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I don't want it to be a sad day, but
it is a somber day. I don't want to leave
people saying, my gosh, I can't listen to this anymore.
That's that's not what a radio host is supposed to do.
Ratings are good, I'm told, but we would be fools.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
If we didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
We will do this together today, the conversation about the
assassination of Charlie Kirk and what we know the remembrance
of September eleventh. No, don't worry. I have got other
stuff like Kamala Harris blaming Joe Biden for his reelection campaign.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Huh well, well that's just nutty. It's all here, guys.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I'm glad you're here. Three one seven ninety three ninety three.
If you want to call in the chat room is
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Speaker 2 (13:17):
I'm right here with you through it all.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
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You can also see it on Twitter x me. I'm
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Speaker 2 (13:37):
Uh, there are.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Other things going on in the world, and I, as
I said, will get to them, and here's one of them.
Kamala Harris is nuts. Tony. I'm sorry, that's not news.
We all knew this. We're all fully this is a
butte this when it came out yesterday, and it came
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out before the assassination, the murder of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
This was a or what am I witnessing here? Moment.
Kamala Harris in her new book.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Says it was reckless for Joe Biden to seek reelection.
It's Joe and Joe's decision. We all said that like
a mantra As if we'd all been hypnotized this from
her book One hundred and seven Days. Was it grace
or was it recklessness? In retrospect, I think it was recklessness.
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The stakes were simply too high. This wasn't a choice
that should have been left to an individual's ego, an
individual's ambition. It should have been more than a personal decision.
Why didn't you say this guy can't run again. Why
didn't you say, for the sake of the country, what
are you doing? Why didn't you go to the cabinet
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and say this guy's not qualified and invoke the twenty
fifth Amendment.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Oh, and you write it in a book.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I saw if all Joe Biden has to do, and
I'm going to clean it up for radio because I've
been trying it. I've been trying to clean things up.
Joe Biden has to go to any microphone and say
I heard what Kamalas said in her book, and honey, please,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And you know how I want to say it.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
That is it.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
That is all.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Because Joe Biden is not the reason you lost, Kamala Harris, although.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
This story you're telling was reason.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Enough for you to lose, you didn't put the country first.
You put your own self first. I wanted to at
least be vice president so I could run for president.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And I can't go out there and blow it all up.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You could have protected the country and you didn't, and
yet you blame everybody else for their recklessness. Oh good Lord, that's.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Thank goodness Trump one.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Tony Katz ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
For those of you wondering, Hey, Tony, do you think
we would be able to go twenty four hours before
people blame the murder the assassination of Charlie Kirk on Israel?
And the answer is no. I swear to you if
you follow my feed it was a professional masade hit.
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I'll say one thing, chores. Hek looks like a professional hit.
Tony Katz ninety three WIBC. Good morning, Charlie Kirk dead
at the age of thirty one. Murdered, assassinated. I think
that term applies now. Assassinated would lead to would be
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about political figures, and would you call him a political figure?
And I would argue that it was very clear he
was targeted because of his political views, political political affiliations.
Success however you want to call it we don't know
who did this yet, they had a suspect in custody
and that suspect was then released. It was a person
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of interest, according to Governor Spencer Cox of Utah, who
did refer to this as an assassination in his press
conference yesterday. Spencer Cox, the governor did indeed refer to
the killing of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University as
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an assassination. The Governor was heartfelt, extremely so in his words.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
And thank you for joining us on this dark and
tragic occasion. I want to thank our law enforcement officers
who are leading this investigation, starting with Chief Long and
his response here with the UBU Police Department. We're grateful
for your leadership and your team, and again to the
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speakers that you've just heard from who are co leading
this investigation. I also want to recognize Share Mike Smith,
who has been an invaluable partner as this investigation moves forward.
I've been in touch with President Trump with FBI Director
Cash Patel. We are completely aligned with our state and
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federal partners.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
As we work through this case. Now, this is a
dark day for our state, to tragic day for our.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Nation, and I want to be very clear that this
is a political assassination.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
We are celebrating two hundred and fifty years of the
founding of this great nation, that founding document, the Declaration
of Independence, That this great experiment on which we embark
together two hundred and fifty years ago, that we are
endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
The first one of those is life, and today a
life was taken.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
He continued to say, I want to remind people that
we still the death penalty here in the state of Utah.
There is right now no suspecting custody. What they know,
what they don't know, what they've shared with us is
what they've shared with us. It might not be everything,
and I'm not surprised that's not everything. Was this a hit, well,
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it seems to me that this shooter was on a
rooftop some two hundred yards plus away. As people who
know firearms better than I do, remember, I'm a Second
Amendment guy, not a gun guy. I support firearms manufacturers.
I support people who sell firearms, both fast tech and
premiere arms right here in Indiana. But I never claim
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an expertise like Guy Ralford has or others have. There
will be those who immediately will tell you, well, this
was clearly an assassin, and this and this and this
and none of the others to tell you, guys, this
was a very easy shot for anybody who has ten
minutes of training.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I'm going to be engaging with guy.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I'll be engaging with Cam Edwards over at Bearing Arms
and others to get an idea of what they think.
What matters here.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Is that.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
The animus, the hatred, the vitriol, the anger, the desire
to silence people that they disagree with, that has permeated.
This is the society, not all of us, not all
of us, not us. Remember they not like us. They
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murdered the United Healthcare CEO in the middle of the street,
and people cheered, and then they want to know how
they could go on a date with the killer. They
said it was okay to threaten Supreme Court justices. Chuck
Schumer said, you will reap the whirlwind and you will
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pay the price to the Supreme Court if they don't
do what the mob wants. I have made the argument
that the only way out is through, but we have
to understand what it is we're going through, and we're
going through the political killing season. It's not that I
want it. It's not that it's good. It's not that
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it's bright, it's not that it's smart. It's that when
you demonize and dehumanize an entire group of people and
call them Nazis, and call them fascists and call them
a threat to democracy, the only end result is Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
The only end result is this.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
That you understand, and I understand that in a world
of copycats, I can't imagine there isn't anybody on this
side of the microphone who isn't like, well, this is coming,
Well this is happening.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yep, yep. Does my life change? But if I.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Am more honest and open about this, what if you
post something on Facebook? You post something on Facebook and
someone doesn't like, look.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
At what has been?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
What?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Look at that?
Speaker 1 (23:14):
There are levels of celebration out there taking place over
the assassination, the killing of Charlie Kirk, who leaves behind
two very small children and a wife. The only way
out is through, and the only way through it is together.
And that is my plan. That's my whole plan, and
I hope you're with me.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
That looks like a second plane.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
Yes, just a plane, go in that just exploded.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I just saw another plane coming in from the side
you did, guess that's the second explosion. You can see
the plane come in just from the right hand side
of the screen. So this looks like it is some
sort of a concerted effort to attack.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Twenty four years ago, September eleventh, two thousand and one.
Tony Katz ninety three WIBC. Good morning, twenty four years
since September eleventh, less than twenty four hours since the
assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
It is indeed a rough morning.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
There is much to get to, but these subjects will
lead exactly what evil do we have? How does one
combat it? How do we come together to do it?
How do we ensure that we are victorious? And who
is it that is we just Republicans, just conservatives? How
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about the free and thinking people who don't believe that
the answer is the death of another. No society is
healthy in this way. The Islamists who attacked and murdered
two thousand plus on September eleventh, They're not healthy people,
are not good people, And to this day Islamists are
neither healthy nor good people. They are a danger to
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all of society. If the murderers of September eleventh were
to be successful, the dark ages around the globe would
never cease. If the murderer of Charlie Kirk is successful,
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the dark ages will last forever. We will never be
able to speak, we will never be able to share,
we will never be able to engage. And if they
are to believe they can silence Charlie Kirk and therefore
move down the line of silencing others who dare speak up?
Do they feel emboldened by such things? These are the
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conversations going on, usually encapsulated in the statement of what
the hell is happening out there? What is wrong with people?
What kind of world is this? Leaving us to question
how we explain this to our kids, some of us
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having different conversations than others, depending on age and a
host of things. There are things happening in the world,
things that do affect us. I'll give you. I'll give
you one story that aes We're talking about energy here
in the state of Indiana. Their rate increase, the recommendation
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is that it be denied. You've got the Indiana Office
a Utility Consumer counselor calling for reduction in aes rates
based on the case's evidence and applicable law. So they
want a rate increase, and the state of saying nah,
as a matter of fact, let's bring that down. These
are things that affect our lives on the daily. What
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we're paying for energy, how it is we're able to
afford the daily things September eleventh affects our life on
the daily. And it is imperative that at this time,
year after year, without fail, without question, we remember it,
and we go over it, and we go through it,
and we do not stop, and we do not cease,
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and we do not rest, and we watch the horrific videos,
and we watch the firefighters, the first responders covered in smoke.
We ask ourselves, how could we have missed such a thing?
And then we ask ourselves, what are we doing to
ensure that never happens again? What are we doing to
ensure that we win? What are we doing to ensure
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that we don't forget as many would like us to.
There will be people who try to memory hole what
happened to Charlie Kirk just yesterday, less than twenty four
hours ago, in a video that if you haven't seen it,
I don't know if I recommend it, although I absolutely
state that you must watch the videos from September eleventh
because you cannot be allowed to forget. I don't know,
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I don't know why I see them as different.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yesterday was horrifying.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
We will get into what we know about the murder
of the assassination of Charlie Kirk and some of the
responses which have already led to some people being fired,
which is a good start. We're here, guys, we're together,
and our brighter days are still ahead.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I absolutely believe it.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Tony Katz ninety three, WIBC, Good Morning. Changing the show
around a bit between September eleventh, twenty four years later
between the assassination of Charlie Kirk. We're going to keep
it down a little. Tony Katz, ninety three, WIBC, Good Morning.
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But I do share with you a story, a story
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from here in Indiana, a story that happened nationwide. First,
the Indiana Democratic Party after the assassination of Charlie Kirk yesterday.
I mean, that's what happened. Right He was speaking to
a crowd of thousands. He was shot in the neck
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from two hundred plus yards. What kind of weapon was used,
we do not know. We know that there there was
a person of interest. That person was released, and right
now there is no other information that we have unless
it's come out in the last thirty seconds about a suspect.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
There is a man hunt underway, and I.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Have to assume it is going to be the largest
manhunt history. Everybody's gonna be coming out of the woodwork
to find who killed Charlie Kirk, Who was responsible for this?
The Indiana Democratic Party tweeted out, we are horrified by
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today's attack on Charlie Kirk in Utah. We condemn political
violence of any kind anywhere, in our country, no one
should fear being a target of violence while expressing their
First Amendment rights. We are thinking and praying for Charlie
and his family. Now, I had responded to this by
saying he wasn't attacked, he was assassinated. It was pointed
out to me a very very crude way that this
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post was put out an hour plus before we knew
that Charlie Kirk had died, and so for that I
did a repost in saying this post came out before
they knew. Now, I would never have set attack. I
would have said it was shot. I still may take
umbrage with the word, but I can at least be
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clear about the fact that this was before we knew
that Charlie had been killed, and that is that is
important to note and to remember. It does not change
the fact that the Bartholomew County Democrats put out a
statement or put out a post on Facebook sharing the
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news that Charlie Kirk had died, and they wrote violent
delights have violent ends. That post has now been deleted.
I put it out there. When will will you call
on the bartholicar Bartholomew County Democrats to take down this post.
I do not know if the Indiana Democratic Party did
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or didn't.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
They have not yet said anything about it.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
The question before us is Bartholomew County Democrats, does your
leadership remain? Shouldn't they all quit? Shouldn't they all resign
right now? For allowing that? Yes, they may not have
written it, but it happened on their watch.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
This is the kind of thing that took place. Well,
Charlie Kirk deserved it. Why because he disagreed with you?
He deserved it. This is the Matthew Dowd story, And
the story about Matthew Dowd on MSNBC is that, in
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the moments after we learned about this shooting, which if
you have seen the video is so absolutely horrific, it
it will it will shock the senses, Matthew Dowd on
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live television.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Said this, yeah, again, emphasize what you just emphasize. We
don't know the full details of this that. We don't
know if this was a supporter shooting their gun off
in celebration or so, we have no idea about it.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
On what planet could it have possibly been a supporter
shooting off of firearm in celebration? Why would you say it.
You say it because you are a radically hateful person.
You say it because you are disparaging, because you are rude,
because you have lost.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
All your humanity.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
He then went down this line, He's been one of
the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this who
is constantly sort of pushing this sort.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
And I always go back to hateful thoughts, lead to
hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
And I think that's the environment we're.
Speaker 8 (35:11):
In that people just you can't stop with these sort
of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful
words and not expect awful actions to take place.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
And then Matthew Dowd just said, of Charlie Kirk, his
skirt was too short.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
He deserved it.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
No conversation about civility, no conversation about people living and
let live, no conversation about free speech.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Nope, he said things that other people don't like.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Matthew Dowd determined them as hateful and therefore he deserved it.
Matthew Dowd got fired by MSNBC. They wrote last night
through their pr side, not on their official Channel during
our breaking news coverage of the shooting of Charlie Kirk,
Matthew Dowd made comments that were inappropriate and sensitive and unacceptable. Well,
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we apologize for his statements, as has he. There is
no place where violence in America, political or otherwise. He
was fired and got announced this morning. Lost humanity is
a real thing. Hate rocks the brain. But you know
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as well as I do, there are people at MSNBC
and CNN, the New York Times and Washington Post and
all across America, and in the Indiana Democratic Party Hello
Bartholomew County that agree. Not every as obvious by the
statement from the Indiana Democrats as a whole, who even
if they didn't believe it, they at least put out
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what could be seen as a proper statement. And I'm
not going to disparage them by saying they don't believe it,
but clearly Bartholomew County Democrats don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Pure raw, unadulterated.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Evil is the only way to describe these comments and
these minds, these people who think they are our intellectual betters,
they do believe that, and they do believe that you
are the one engaged in some horrible conversation in some
horrible talking point, and they are the good and the just.
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Trump is a Nazi, Trump is Hitler, Trump is terrible.
Trump is a fascist. Trump is taking away your rights.
We have to do something.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
We hear me.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I have been discussing that the left has been calling
for a lone wolf for years, and they got their
lone wolf in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
And then they tried to get their lone wolf there
at mar A Lago.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
They got their lone wolf. They're at Utah Valley, Utah
Valley University. And the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Do I
think this is going to end? You understand that we
are all going to be subjected to an episode of
the View where they say, well, you understand that Matthew
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Dowd will have another job. You understand that there is
a segment of the populace that believes you should not
be allowed to speak. I should not be allowed to speak,
we should not be allowed to share. We saw this
when they told us that the New York Posts can't
share a story about Hunter Biden a laptop, which was
one hundred percent accurate. You were told this, shown this
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when you were not allowed to say, hey, this vaccine,
is it really effective? Is it totally safe? They can't
silence you one way, they will try to silence you
another way. This is not me engaging in hyperbole or
engaging in an act of violence. This is me carefully,
thoughtfully breaking down the evidence that has been presented our side.
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I didn't say you were a Republican or a conservative.
The people, the free and thinking people, the people who
believe in debates, who believe in conversation, who believe in
actual civility, which is not the tyranny of the other side.
Civility is not please and thank you, It is not agreement,
It is not kind words. It is being able to
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control oneself enough to not totally terrorize the minority or
the minority, not trying to silence others who may disagree
with them by acting in that violent way.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
We have to win.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
That's a that's a lesson for today, whether we're talking
about Charlie Kirk or September eleventh, we have to win.
And there's no option in that.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
On an a plaint, lift on hijack and things will
go and it's not working to Are.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
You wanting to know I have for being fuck you.
I want you to be good, so have a good time.
Thanks to my.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
Parents and everybody has I just totally bugging and howling.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Capta are they going to be able to get somebody
up here? It's completely in golf well on the floor
and we can't breathe.
Speaker 7 (40:06):
They very very hot. No no, no, no, no no,
say I'm going to die in man says.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I, you're a good stop man.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
You don't know hot. I'm very happy, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I love you.
Speaker 7 (40:20):
I'm building in New York.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
I want to smoke and you just want to do
the words of those who lost their lives on September
eleventh are brutal, and I share them in a way
that means them.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
To be exactly what they were. They should hit as hard, they.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Should feel as strong. They should tear you as they
must have for those who listen to them live or
heard the messages later, wondering, wait was my loved one
on that flight? Wait was my loved one in the building.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
At the time? Come back home?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
And to hear that two thousand and one, it wasn't
VOICEMAILT was answering machines Tony Katz ninety three, WIBC good morning.
We remember September eleventh, twenty four years ago today, as
I was a restaurant manager in Washington, DC. I was
training someone. That's what I was doing twenty four years ago.
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I was training someone and they came in and said,
you have to see this. Seven point fifty nine, nine
minutes from right now, Flight eleven American Airlines takes off
from Boston heading for Los Angeles, seventy six passengers, eleven
crew members, five hijackers on board. It would be only
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sixteen minutes after that the United Airlines Flight one seventy
five took off from Boston, fifty one passengers, nine crew members,
five hijackers aboard. The sounds of nine to eleven matter,
and we share them.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
And now we have.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Less than twenty four hours ago, the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
Killed for speaking, killed because somebody disagreed with him, Killed
because well, we can't let those people on the political
right have a say. They're trying to take away our rights,
and they're authoritarians, and they're trying to create a theocracy.
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And how does one deal with such a day? How
do we engage and how do we move forward? First,
let's at least keep our wits and remember that the
sun did rise today and the sun will indeed rise tomorrow.
Our options are limited in the concept of how we
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go into tomorrow. Tomorrow is coming, and the only thing
that we ever really have a choice in is how
we're going to face the mood, the attitude, et cetera. Right,
what is the line, whether you think you can or
whether you think you can't, You're right, this concept, this
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idea of this philosophy, that it is up It is up.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
To us how you view the day, how you view
the moment.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
What is your plan when you wake up in the morning,
What was your plan today? What will be your plan tomorrow?
How do you explain that to your kids? And what
do you want their plan to be? I think there
is an imperative there that we are going to be
waking up tomorrow and the next day and the next day.
I put forth to you that that reminder, that that
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understanding is extremely valuable and only should help in setting
the course. I want tomorrow to be better than today,
but I can't forget what happened today or yesterday. I
have no plans I'm forgetting September eleventh, I was a
restaurant manager in Washington, DC. It's the hard Rock Cafe
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ninth and E. I don't know if I was a
very good restaurant manager. I was the depths of my depression.
I must have made everybody around me miserable.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
I must have. I was miserable. How could I not
make other people miserable?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
And I came out to see what was going on
in the TVs and saw the second plane hit, and
next to the hard Rock Cafe, which is next to
Ford's Theater where Abraham Lincoln was assassinated, it was the
FBI building, and I watched people run for their lives
from the FBI building. I didn't even understand at the
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time it was terrorism. I think as I look back
on how I handled myself in the days after, I
don't think I handled myself well. I don't think I
understood what was really happening. But it was from that
moment that I said, I don't know what I'm doing here,
but I shouldn't be doing this. I should be talking
about this. It was then that I started engaging truly.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
I always politically aware, but not this.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
That's where it came from. I was not a nine
to twelve conservative. I was aware of how much I
didn't know. On nine to twelve, I was aware of
my God, the world is bigger than me, and I
started digging in. How we go about what's next, Well,
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that matters. And I have said to you before that
the only way out is through let me at least
give you and remind you of this that tomorrow will
come and it is up to us how we handle
it and how we look at it. And I think
that that in and of itself is a positive. Yes,
are there people out there trying to do us harm? Absolutely?
Are there people out there who want to shut us up,
you and me together? Absolutely? Are there violent people out there.
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There's still a murderer on the run. They do not
have a suspect in the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
What we do tommorrow is up to us, and what
we do today is up to us, and what we
do today will have a bearing on what happens tomorrow.
We have to decide that we're going to keep at it.
Are we going to speak freely?
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Absolutely? Are we going to keep engaging absolutely? Are we
going to be cowed? Absolutely not? Are we going to
be shy?
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Absolutely not. Will we be silenced, No, Will we remember
and make sure we do everything possible to it sure
doesn't happen again. September eleventh, or Charlie Kirk political assassinations.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Absolutely we will together. We don't have.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Any other options or at least no good ones. I'm
glad you're here.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
There is still a dunman on the loose.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Tony Katz ninety three WIBC, Good morning, Good to be
with you. Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, dead
at the age of thirty one. Assassinated at an event
at Utah Valley University, part of what he was calling
his American Comeback Tour, which was scheduled. As we were
discussing it yesterday and I had brought up doing stuff
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on college campuses and someone said, you know, Charlie Kirk
is coming to IU.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
It was October, part of his American comeback tour.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
There was a suspect, a person of interest, they referred
to it yesterday in custody. That person has been released.
They are right now engaged in a manhunt. I don't
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know what it is they know. I don't know who
it is that they are looking for. I have absolutely
no idea where we go from here on this, but
I can tell you that this will be the biggest
manhunt you ever saw. There is simply no way the
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Trump administration, the Bondie Department of Justice, the cash Betel
led FBI is going to not turn over every rock
to find who did this, A guy who you could
see from videos to the video everywhere on the roof
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of a building. Now, some people will tell you that
this was a professional hit, without question, and then there
will be others who tell you I could have taught
a novice how to make this shot with a bolt
action rifle in ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
I think that's an argument for others.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
I think the conversation for us is first things first,
we need to find who did this, and we cannot
allow ourselves to lose sight of the fact that Charlie
Kirk was killed because somebody didn't like what he had
to say. As a guy who's in the business of
saying things, that is a very real moment. I have
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not spoken with my counterparts here at WIBC, nor have
I spoken with any other radio counterparts. I was supposed
to record yesterday the UH We were going to record
Eat Drink, smoke myself and Fingers Maloy, and we were like, yeah,
we're not going to do that, can't. We didn't have
all the information regarding Charlie. He's like, we do a
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cigar and bourbon show. How in the world do you
keep this light? How? How are we going to do
that for the show that we're going to have to
record today? How just couldn't do it, not until we
had the information. I think everybody processes a little differently,
and me, I didn't want anybody else's thoughts in my head.
But I was on Newsmax last night discussing this and
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there were two things. If I can, I have no
idea how other people are supposed to process these things.
I don't know how they're supposed to explain to their
kids like I had to, even though my kids are older,
what happened then, what it means for you, especially at
least in our situation being in this business. Certainly not
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as popular as Charlie Kirk. But I do events two.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Hundred and fifty people, not twenty five hundred people.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
I'm getting there absolutely security. I've informed my station that
I do not show up to events where there is
not security, and there has to be a recognition that
Charlie had security. It would not have stopped the person
who wants to do you harm. Our issue are the
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people out there who don't believe that we should be
allowed to engage, who have been told repeatedly, again and
again and again and again that these people are authoritarians,
and these people are Nazis, and these people are this,
and these people are that, and they.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
Are our a threat to you.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
There are indeed bad ideas in the world. The reason
you put them into the public square is so you
can find out exactly how bad of an idea it is.
We must be able to engage. The engagement of debate
is indeed the civil society and the basic concepts of
civility in Toto. It is not please and thank you,
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and it is not an acceptance of somebody else's point
of view, but rather allowing them to engage it. There's
the difference. I do not have to accept it. I
do not have to say I understand where you're coming from.
I could be like, that's nutty, goodbye. Civility is not acceptance.
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Civility is not terrorizing the minority through a level of tyranny,
nor allowing the minority to threaten those people they disagree
with with acts of violence. Can't have a society that way.
For all, the Founding fathers, through the Federal's papers warned
to faction here we are. I, well, I do this.
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I don't think I'm any different than you. How are
you gonna explain it to your kids? How do you
process this? What happens when you say something on social
media that someone doesn't like and you know you have
and you know you will.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
They have to find who did this.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
We have to change the mindset of people who think
that because they disagree, they are somehow entitled to do
horrific things.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
We cannot have this society.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
We can't.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Cannot survive like that.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
No society can. And the more it delves into the madness,
the more the people who want to destroy Western civilization
gain success.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Can't have it.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
What happened yesterday was flat out horrifying. The video is horrifying.
The close up videos are so awful. I cannot describe them.
If you have seen them, you know, and if you
haven't seen them, maybe you're better off. Maybe not. I
leave that to you. But the murder, the assassination of
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Charlie Kirk was about saying, in every way, and I
don't know who did it, we are not going to
allow conversation to take place. That is the effect, and
the answer is yes, we will.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
There is only one answer.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
As for the people who want to push the idea
of well, well he deserved it, well his skirt is
too short, as they engaged on MSNBC, well this is
just gonna give Trump an excuse.
Speaker 9 (54:12):
That he put out a four minute video. And I'm
not going to play the video. I don't want to
play the video. But there was a line at the
end that I think is I just wanted to raise
and read. At the end of this four minute video,
he says, for years, those on the radical left have
compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis in the world's
most worst mass murders and criminals. This kind of rhetoric
is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in
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our country today, and it must stop right now. And
obviously there's a lot of rhetoric that is problematic, a
lot of it is coming from one particular side and
from one particular building.
Speaker 2 (54:47):
But what can be done?
Speaker 9 (54:48):
I fear when this is an escalation already in less
than twenty four hours of this shooting.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
The recognition of things that are said is an escalation. No,
it's honesty, but this is from a network that engaged
in some horrible stuff in the moments after Charlie Kirk
was killed. He was thirty one, he had a wife,
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he had two small children and a future in front
of him and a lot of people who were listening.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
He didn't deserve this. I didn't know him. I think
I met him once. I didn't know him.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
He didn't deserve this. The killer has to be found
and we have to keep talking. There are other things
happening in the news, like Poland mobilizing Tony Katz ninety
three WIBC, Good morning, good to be with you. It
was Russia that engaged a drone strike against the Poles.
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Nineteen Russian military drone own some being launched from Belarus,
entered Polish airspace. This over the last two days, Poland
mobilizing drones were intercepted by Polish F sixteen, supported by
the Dutch, and they're now saying that they're going Article four,
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which is hey, everybody, we are we're being attacked by
Russia and we're a NATO nation, So you might want
to gear up for Article five. Article four is about consultations, like,
excuse me, everyone, if I can get everyone together here,
this is happening. Gear up, get ready, gird the loins.
Speaker 2 (56:48):
This is coming.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Article five means an attack on one is an attack.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
On all.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
Is Russia, purposefully raising the temperature. Absolutely they are. It
is unquestionable that this is exactly what they're doing in
an effort to what Well, we'll stop as long as
we get this land, which is why we're hearing about
Ukraine saying we don't have the ability to keep up
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these defenses much longer, because the United States is sending
less and less materials to get what of Vladimir's lines,
you can say, okay, we'll give up this and this,
just make this stop. Pressure being applied to make deals,
rush applying pressure to get a better deal. The polls
are not.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
Going to take this.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
They're not They've lived under communism, they lived through the Nazis.
They ain't doing this, and if they have to fight,
they're going to fight to the last man. Europe better
gear up.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
This is happening.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
But as we sit here on the twenty fourth anniversary
of September eleventh.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
We take the time to remember because.
Speaker 1 (58:01):
We don't have options.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
We do not have any option.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
But to spend our time discussing what it is that
took place, remembering what it is that happened that three
thousand of our countrymen were killed by Islamists.
Speaker 7 (58:23):
Were five six eight six five. We have a I
believe is a seven fifty seven. Can you see him
up there? Or that's occur It looks like a rocketers
Waker brother rock of four were five sixty eight six
five advis as you say, we for betaircraft go north.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
As fast as you care, United ninety three. Have you
got information on.
Speaker 5 (58:42):
That yet here you jail, you won't.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
Yes, When did you land?
Speaker 9 (58:46):
You did not land.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
Somewhere up northeast of Camp David.
Speaker 1 (58:53):
That's shanksel And as I've discussed before, Todd Beemer and
everybody who stormed the cockpit to prevent that plane from
crashing into the White House or the Capitol or onto
me as I stood there on the corner of Ninth
and E where I was working as a restaurant manager,
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that they saved my life.
Speaker 2 (59:16):
I believe this every single day.
Speaker 1 (59:19):
There is not a day that has gone by in
twenty four years, that I haven't thought about it somehow,
that it hasn't come into my mind. Something some thought,
some fleeting that if it wasn't for them that plane crashes.
I mentioned myself working downtown DC. My wife was a
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teacher in Maryland, and the kids their parents worked at
the Pentagon. My wife watched kids trying to get in
touch with their parents who worked at the Pentagon on
after seeing it, after hearing about this attack and not
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knowing whether their parents were alive or dead. We each
went through our things, and we didn't go through anything
compared to what others went through.
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Everything about September eleventh is.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Ugly, and everything has to be remembered, and it has
to be discussed, and it has to be shared. Some
of the worst things, the worst videos, the worst commentaries,
the worst phone calls, the most heart wrenching phone calls,
they all have to be shared today with your loved ones.
They have to remember, they have to know that it happened.
How else can we ensure that it doesn't again. That
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we win this fight against the islamis that we understand
that there are people who want to destroy us for
what it is. We believe and how we believe it,
and as we saw yesterday, who want to kill us
for saying things they disagree with. We have to win,
and I am in many ways convinced the only way
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we win is together. I'm glad you're here. The twenty
fourth anniversary of September eleventh, the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
I'll make up some of the regular program.
Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
When we're usually doing a Thursday tomorrow, everybody the Popcorn
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Will handle that tomorrow as well. Tony Katz ninety three WIBC,
Good morning, Good to be with you. The Doubt futures
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are up seventy one, the Nasdaq futures are up fifty six.
Oil prices sixty two dollars and eighty one cents on
the West Texas crewed sixty six dollars and sixty six cents. Well,
that's not ominous on the Brent crew. The ten year
treasury four point zero zero. We've been watching this. It
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did hit a low in the early hours of three
point nine ninety six. This has been trending down. We're
going to see if that continues.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Consumer prices rose at two point nine percent in August
wait annual rate of two.
Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Point nine percent. Good lord, I was about to lose
my head. I will get to all of that on
Tony Katz today at noon. Let me give you an
update here, as we've been talking about September eleventh, as
we've been talking about the assassination of Charlie Kirk yesterday
at Utah Valley University at the age of thirty one,
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there's a I shared a story first was brought to
my attention by Indy Spanglish if you know Jerry, who
often fills in on WIBC. He noted that the Bartholomew
County Democratic Party had put out a story about Charlie
Kirk dying and they wrote, violent delights have violent ends?
Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Is what is wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Well, they put out a statement afterwards because I had
then reposted and gave the hot tip to to Jerry,
to to Indi Spanglish and said, hey, Indiana Democrats, why
is this happening with your party? Why are you posting this?
That post has since been taken down, and they put
out a statement. Yesterday evening a post was shared on
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our page regarding the horrific news of Charlie Kirk's passing.
I don't know if that was because of me or
because of Jerry, because of somebody else, but yes, it
was shared. He spent a good deal of his time
advocating for the Second Amendment, even to the moment that
it took his life. Is this some kind of hey,
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we're sorry the Second Amendment took his life? Are you
all insane? In trying to convey the tragedy of this,
a quote was taken from a well known Shakespearean tragedy.
The quote comes from Romeo and Juliet. These violent delights
have violent ends, and in their triumph die like fire
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and powder, which, as they kiss, consume The sweetest honey
is lothsome in his own deliciousness, and in the taste,
confounds the appetite. Therefore, love moderately long, love doth so
too swift, derives as tardy as too slow. That's the quote.
So they say that they took this from Shakespeare. The
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quote was a message, given that such a great passion
like this could result in a terrible end as this
death was. It is obvious that our post was not
received in the way that it was meant, and we
are terribly sorry for the hurt that it caused.
Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
We do empathize greatly.
Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
With those who have lost people to gun violence and
the pain that it brings, so we removed our post
and its reminders from our page. We promise to be
more mindful of about our quote selections in the future.
As always, we do not condone gun violence or violence
of any nature. No matter what, you blamed the Second Amendment,
you blame support for the Second Amendment. I see that
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you're trying to cover for yourself ipso facto. But the
quote was obscene. It absolutely looked like you were relishing
the moment. And then you say he spent a good
deal of time advocating for the Second Amendment, even to
the moment that it.
Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Took his life.
Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
That is not what happened.
Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
The Second Amendment did not take his life.
Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
This is gross. A madman took his life, whom we
have not yet found as the manhunt continues. Honestly, if
this is your attempt at apology, Bartholomew County Democrats, I
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said it before I'll say it again, at what moment
is every one of your leadership or placed.
Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
You don't know how to do this. You don't know
how to be normal, nor do you understand what actually
took place here. Blaming the gun is nonsense. It has
always been nonsense.
Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Someone said Charlie Kirk shouldn't be allowed to speak and
shot him.
Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
That's what happened. We need to find you did this.
Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Someone said Donald Trump cannot be allowed to be president
and tried to kill him.
Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
It wasn't the gun. It was the beta mail.
Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Somebody said this healthcare CEO is unacceptable and killed him
in broad daylight.
Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
And it wasn't the gun.
Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
It was a radical yes, indeed, progressive communist, socialist if
you will, ideology period. You think we're not going to notice,
you think we're not gonna say so you get to
you think this is somehow ooh, our bad. It's an obscenity.
It is obscene. Indiana Democratic Party, this is how you're seen,
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This is how you are viewed, and this is why
you don't win in Indiana. This is why you can't
win in Indiana. Good lord, it's it's just sick. You're
just sick.
Speaker 7 (01:07:34):
That is it.
Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
That is all.
Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
The Democratic Party should be denouncing what Bartholomew has now
said for the second time. Time to change people out,
time to replace them. And if you can't do better,
shut it down, Holy macra or if I was only political, no, no, no,
leave it up. Everybody should see what you really are.
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Good gosh, Tony Katz, ninety three WIBC, Good morning. In
the end, there's no good way to do a show
like today, There's absolutely none. There's no right recipe or
right philosophy for how you deal with the twenty fourth
anniversary September eleventh, and be not yet twenty four hours
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removed from the assassination of Charlie Kirk at the age
of thirty one at Utah Valley University, shot in the
neck while speaking to a very large crowd. The There
is no suspecting custody right now. Tony Katz in ninety
three WIBC, Good Morning. There is a manhunt. There are rumors,
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posts of things that may have taken place, what kind
of weapon utilized, what may have been scrawled on the.
Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Cartridges. That's all right now.
Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
In the ether, that's all right now, in the in
the unknown, it's it's nothing more than talk on social media.
As far as I'm concerned, there is no good way
to handle a day like today.
Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
It doesn't exist. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Was I supposed to talk more about other things going
on in the world. Was I supposed to talk only
about Charlie Kirk at nine to eleven? Was I supposed
to break into tears? Was I supposed to cheer everybody up?
I have absolutely no idea as with everything, you do
the best that you can and how you feel.
Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
It should work.
Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
At the moment I had my conversations with my kids,
You're gonna have to have your conversations with yours, and
I'm not quite sure how you do it. I put
forth to you that honesty is everything. Put forth to
you that reminding people, that reminding your children that being
free is always better than being enslaved, that the Islamist
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is wrong and we are right, and we have to
win and they have to lose, because if we win,
everybody still gets to have independent thoughts and independent minds.
Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
If they win, we all live in slavery.
Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Reminds our kids that in the United States, we allow
people to say things even that we don't like. Free
speech does not exist for the speech or the person
that you like. It exists for the speech or the
people that you hate, because you may hate them, but
they also hate you, and they should have no ability,
no ability to keep you from speaking. And what happened
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to Charlie Kirk is obscene. And yet there are people
out there who believe that some should not be allowed
to speak, and there absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Is the call to engage this violence.
Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
We should also be clear that while I absolutely believe
and some people may disagree with this, that words have
meaning and people do get genduct to violence. It is
the responsibility of the person in question. Just because somebody
is trying to rally somebody to doing something doesn't mean
that you have to do it. It's the expression. Nobody
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believes the Khan more than the mark. When you are
the person saying, oh, I have to do this, you
are the person being targeted to go do the thing,
and you are the one who can say I'm not
doing that. I disagree with the other side, I disagree
with these people. It doesn't mean I'm going to physically
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assault them, shoot them, stop them. Speaking out is very
different than going after your family. If they're shooting at you,
that's different. If they're saying bad things about you, well
that's social media.
Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
This is rough stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
It is a rough day, and it is going to
be days of this conversation. The parallels of September eleventh
and what happened with Charlie Kirk and the idea that
there are some people who do not want this way
of life, and we have to succeed and they have
to fail, and we have to win and they have
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to lose, and the only way we do this is together,
because the only way out is through.
Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
It's the only way out.
Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
We're gonna have to see this through to the end.
There will be no light switch that is flipped and
suddenly everyone says, oh wait, we won't do that anymore. No, no,
it gets worse until it doesn't. You know the expression,
and to the extent that I believe it or I
work with it. Good times make weak men, week men
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make hard times. Hard times make a tough men. Tough
men make good times. That concept, these are the hard times.
People who don't believe in free speech, people who don't
believe in free thought, people who believe they should be
able to silence you, people who are so told that
they don't have to contain their own emotions that they
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must act out upon them.
Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
It's okay to act out upon them.
Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
And then the people who are so lost in their
own souls, in their own minds that they cheer the violence.
That's what we're up against. And it's us or them,
and I choose us. And to the people who've been
kind enough to question my safety, I'm not as popular
as Charlie Kirk. I'm going about living my life. Will
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I see Do I do events differently? The answer is yes,
and I already had before. But are you going to
see me walking down the street? Absolutely? Am I going
to keep holding events? Absolutely clear your calendars for January twentieth,
and I may do another one before that.
Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
No, not giving into these people, and neither of you.
Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
I didn't know Charley Kirk, but rest his soul, and
I didn't know the people who died in September eleventh.
They're always in my soul, on my mind, and hopefully
yours as well. I'll catch at noon. I'm glad you
are here.
These are the times the trimends souls, the summer soldier
and the sunshine patriot will in this crisis shrink from the.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Service of their country.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
But he that stands it now deserves the love and
thanks a man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not
easily conquered. Yet we have this consolation with us that
the heart of the conflict, the more glorious the triumph
Thomas Paine, the American crisis? What else could I think be?
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Turn the music? What else could best kind of explain
where we are? Tony Katz ninety three WIBC. Good morning,
Charlie Kirk, killed yesterday at the age of thirty one,
speaking to a college crowd at Utah Valley University. This
is the twenty fourth anniversary of September eleventh. This is
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not an easy day. I have often found from you
that it is the not easy days where we show
our best. This will not be a conversation, at least
from me today about the glorifying of Charlie Kirk. I
didn't know him. I didn't always agree with him. He
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had a different view of how to engage than I did.
But there is no question that his engagement worked. His
engagement was effective. His engagement reached people. And there was
absolutely no question that when you could sit yourself down
on a campus to where the campus pours out to
see you, to the tune of thousands of people who
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want to watch him, well really dismantle leftist arguments, to
which he did. I think with rousing success. That is
an oddity. That is something and for many on a campus,
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for many in America to see somebody stand up and
say no, this, this and this, and I am not swayed.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
By the problem.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's good. It's one thing to hear it. It's another
thing to see it. It's another thing to feel. It's
nothing to experience it. That is impressive stuff. He's extremely
good at the recall, extremely good at finding in his
mind the obscure fact that would work to his favor.
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He didn't deserve to die assassinated as he would, murdered
as he would depending on how you want to say
these things. As he was speaking to a crowd engaging
in the debate, that we make claim matters in the nation,
but it's obvious that we are not one nation under God, indivisible.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Rather we are indeed divided.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
As we have discussed as we have discussed here, the
only way out is through, and we must identify what
it is we are dealing with. We don't know who
shot Charlie Kirk. That person is still on the run.
They had a person of interest, they let that person
of interest go.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We do not, at least as.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Publicly reported to have a suspect in custody.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
We do have plenty of people on the political left
cheering for Charlie Kirk's death. And we do not go
as September eleventh without reminding ourselves that we are here,
that we were attacked and we came through it. I
don't go a day without recognizing that the people of
flight ninety three very well may have saved my life.
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I'm here because of them. I am here because of them.
It is a rough day, a day, these are the
times that try men's souls. My gosh, that's on point.
And yet here we are waking up, taking a shower,
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drinking coffee, turning on the radio and heading to work
because our lives go on with remembrance though that's our
plan today. Tony Kats ninety three WIBC, good morning. Very
often the September eleventh, two thousand and one. Timeline is
thought to start at seven fifty nine am, when flight
eleven took off from Boston heading for Los Angeles, seventy
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six passengers, eleven crew, five hijackers on board. Tony Kats
ninety three WIBC, good morning, Good to be with you
on a somber day. Don't worry. I'm gonna get you
through it. We will leave this morning saying we can
handle these things because I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
We don't have an option.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
No, hold on, wait, I'm positive we don't have an option.
Tony cad I say hello, I did say hello.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It was a weird morning.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And then I had been preparing for September eleventh, then
the murder of Charlie Kirk, and I went back to
make sure that every firearm I have in the studio
it is good to go. Not that any firearm was
going to stop whoever it is that murdered Charlie Kirk
from doing so, that I should at least have a chance.
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And if you say to me, wait, is he serious?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Oh? Very, very horrifically very But we don't. We take
a look at.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
September eleventh, and we think this timeline starts with the
takeoff of flight eleven, then United Flight.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
One seventy five. Flight eleven was American Airlines.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
No, the timeline starts at five point forty five am
before we began this show, when two of the hijackers
boarded their plane in Maine.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
As we sit.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Here right now, the plans and the efforts twenty four
years ago for September eleventh had already begun. Plans and
efforts had already begun. Which is a horrifying thought, because
twenty four years later, there's a guy who lived in
DC at the time and experienced September eleventh in Washington,
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d C. Just blocks from the White House and blocks
from the Capitol. I do not joke when I say
that the people of flight ninety three absolutely saved my
life a flight that was a thought to be heading
towards the White House. The White House is not an
easy target sunk between two other buildings. To have missed
that White House would have been very easy. To then
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decide to try and hit the Capitol could have happened,
And for that plane to have crashed anywhere in between,
as I was at ninth and EE, very possible. And
you cannot convince me at all in any way on
any level that the people who took down Flight ninety three,
who tried to stop the hijackers, I should say, I'm
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Flight ninety three as a crash in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, didn't
save my life. You will never get me not.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
To believe that. But there were things at play.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
And I would commend you to reading The Looming Tower,
and to certainly, if not watching the series on Hulu,
as it is stunning and frightening and horrific and angering
all at the same time. But twenty four years later,
we're still sharing the stories, We're still watching the videos,
videos that must be watched. You need to watch that
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people jumped out of the hundredth floor, the eighty eighth
floor because the flames were too hot, and somehow, in
that moment that was more desirous, more rational than staying inside.
The phone calls of people, people on the phone while
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the buildings fell, Phone calls to loved ones saying I'm
not getting out of this. I love you, take care
of yourself. I am not one for the maudlin. I
never have been. I have never understood it. But I
am one for remembering, and I am certainly one for
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saying that you have to remember by actually watching the horror,
there are if you are the Eric Swallwalls of the
world and you're willing to say well nine to eleven, Well,
January sixth is just like September eleventh. No, no, it
wasn't in any way, shape or form. Was January sixth
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like September eleventh.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Tuesday nine forty seven, am, Hi.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Baby, baby, you have the litenipity. Carefully. I'm on a plane.
It's a hijach.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I'm I'm calling from the plane.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I want to tell you I love you. Sease tell
my children that I love them very much and I'm
so sorry they I hope to be able to see
your face against Baby, I love you.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
They're not the same.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I don't claim that January sixth wasn't a riot, but
they're not the same. And it is of course seen
that the Democratic Party wants to try and create this
in the mind. They're desperate to make fetch happen in
this way. Stop it, Gretchen, Stop with the fetch. It's
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just not going to happen. Listening to the horror, watching
the horror is not about being morbid, but rather a
reminder of what it is that happened, and the people that.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Are out there still to this day, planning before.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
We have even woken up, five point forty five am
boarding the flight out of an airport in Maine to
head to Boston. I mean, isn't that just the story
They were already operating before we ever woke up. I
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wonder if it ever comes a moment where we wake up,
if there's ever a moment where we are more awake
than they, if we are prepared to engage the way
we moust Twenty four years later, we haven't answered the question.
Twenty four years later, we have further internalized the enemy.
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I have seen the enemy, and the enemy is us.
We are We were attacked by a society that does
not believe no no, no, you're just being invasive and
you're in our space and you shouldn't be here. No, no, no.
They believe in the worldwide Caliphate, and they don't believe
we should be allowed to express ourselves, share ideas, share
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our values, engage in pluralism, et cetera. What is so different?
After Charlie Kirk was assassinated yesterday for sharing an idea,
by the way, I wasn't down with everything, What did
that matter? What possibly could it have mattered? That was
the point. Twenty four years later, nearly to the day,
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we're still having this conversation. What kind of society are we?
What kind of society do we want to be? What
is it that we want? And how do we get there? So, yes,
we will walk ourselves through the timeline.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yes, we will remember. Forgetting is not an option.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I don't want it to be a sad day, but
it is a somber day. I don't want to leave
people saying, my gosh, I can't listen to this anymore.
That's that's not what a radio host is supposed to do.
Ratings are good, I'm told, but we would be fools.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
If we didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
We will do this together today, the conversation about the
assassination of Charlie Kirk and what we know the remembrance
of September eleventh. No, don't worry. I have got other
stuff like Kamala Harris blaming Joe Biden for his reelection campaign.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Huh well, well that's just nutty. It's all here, guys.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I'm glad you're here. Three one seven ninety three ninety three.
If you want to call in the chat room is
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Speaker 2 (13:17):
I'm right here with you through it all.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
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You can also see it on Twitter x me. I'm
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Speaker 2 (13:37):
Uh, there are.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Other things going on in the world, and I, as
I said, will get to them, and here's one of them.
Kamala Harris is nuts. Tony. I'm sorry, that's not news.
We all knew this. We're all fully this is a
butte this when it came out yesterday, and it came
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out before the assassination, the murder of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
This was a or what am I witnessing here? Moment.
Kamala Harris in her new book.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Says it was reckless for Joe Biden to seek reelection.
It's Joe and Joe's decision. We all said that like
a mantra As if we'd all been hypnotized this from
her book One hundred and seven Days. Was it grace
or was it recklessness? In retrospect, I think it was recklessness.
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The stakes were simply too high. This wasn't a choice
that should have been left to an individual's ego, an
individual's ambition. It should have been more than a personal decision.
Why didn't you say this guy can't run again. Why
didn't you say, for the sake of the country, what
are you doing? Why didn't you go to the cabinet
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and say this guy's not qualified and invoke the twenty
fifth Amendment.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Oh, and you write it in a book.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I saw if all Joe Biden has to do, and
I'm going to clean it up for radio because I've
been trying it. I've been trying to clean things up.
Joe Biden has to go to any microphone and say
I heard what Kamalas said in her book, and honey, please,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And you know how I want to say it.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
That is it.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
That is all.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Because Joe Biden is not the reason you lost, Kamala Harris, although.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
This story you're telling was reason.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Enough for you to lose, you didn't put the country first.
You put your own self first. I wanted to at
least be vice president so I could run for president.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And I can't go out there and blow it all up.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You could have protected the country and you didn't, and
yet you blame everybody else for their recklessness. Oh good Lord, that's.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Thank goodness Trump one.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Tony Katz ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
For those of you wondering, Hey, Tony, do you think
we would be able to go twenty four hours before
people blame the murder the assassination of Charlie Kirk on Israel?
And the answer is no. I swear to you if
you follow my feed it was a professional masade hit.
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I'll say one thing, chores. Hek looks like a professional hit.
Tony Katz ninety three WIBC. Good morning, Charlie Kirk dead
at the age of thirty one. Murdered, assassinated. I think
that term applies now. Assassinated would lead to would be
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about political figures, and would you call him a political figure?
And I would argue that it was very clear he
was targeted because of his political views, political political affiliations.
Success however you want to call it we don't know
who did this yet, they had a suspect in custody
and that suspect was then released. It was a person
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of interest, according to Governor Spencer Cox of Utah, who
did refer to this as an assassination in his press
conference yesterday. Spencer Cox, the governor did indeed refer to
the killing of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University as
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an assassination. The Governor was heartfelt, extremely so in his words.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
And thank you for joining us on this dark and
tragic occasion. I want to thank our law enforcement officers
who are leading this investigation, starting with Chief Long and
his response here with the UBU Police Department. We're grateful
for your leadership and your team, and again to the
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speakers that you've just heard from who are co leading
this investigation. I also want to recognize Share Mike Smith,
who has been an invaluable partner as this investigation moves forward.
I've been in touch with President Trump with FBI Director
Cash Patel. We are completely aligned with our state and
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federal partners.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
As we work through this case. Now, this is a
dark day for our state, to tragic day for our.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Nation, and I want to be very clear that this
is a political assassination.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
We are celebrating two hundred and fifty years of the
founding of this great nation, that founding document, the Declaration
of Independence, That this great experiment on which we embark
together two hundred and fifty years ago, that we are
endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
The first one of those is life, and today a
life was taken.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
He continued to say, I want to remind people that
we still the death penalty here in the state of Utah.
There is right now no suspecting custody. What they know,
what they don't know, what they've shared with us is
what they've shared with us. It might not be everything,
and I'm not surprised that's not everything. Was this a hit, well,
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it seems to me that this shooter was on a
rooftop some two hundred yards plus away. As people who
know firearms better than I do, remember, I'm a Second
Amendment guy, not a gun guy. I support firearms manufacturers.
I support people who sell firearms, both fast tech and
premiere arms right here in Indiana. But I never claim
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an expertise like Guy Ralford has or others have. There
will be those who immediately will tell you, well, this
was clearly an assassin, and this and this and this
and none of the others to tell you, guys, this
was a very easy shot for anybody who has ten
minutes of training.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I'm going to be engaging with guy.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I'll be engaging with Cam Edwards over at Bearing Arms
and others to get an idea of what they think.
What matters here.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Is that.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
The animus, the hatred, the vitriol, the anger, the desire
to silence people that they disagree with, that has permeated.
This is the society, not all of us, not all
of us, not us. Remember they not like us. They
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murdered the United Healthcare CEO in the middle of the street,
and people cheered, and then they want to know how
they could go on a date with the killer. They
said it was okay to threaten Supreme Court justices. Chuck
Schumer said, you will reap the whirlwind and you will
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pay the price to the Supreme Court if they don't
do what the mob wants. I have made the argument
that the only way out is through, but we have
to understand what it is we're going through, and we're
going through the political killing season. It's not that I
want it. It's not that it's good. It's not that
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it's bright, it's not that it's smart. It's that when
you demonize and dehumanize an entire group of people and
call them Nazis, and call them fascists and call them
a threat to democracy, the only end result is Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
The only end result is this.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
That you understand, and I understand that in a world
of copycats, I can't imagine there isn't anybody on this
side of the microphone who isn't like, well, this is coming,
Well this is happening.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yep, yep. Does my life change? But if I.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Am more honest and open about this, what if you
post something on Facebook? You post something on Facebook and
someone doesn't like, look.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
At what has been?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
What?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Look at that?
Speaker 1 (23:14):
There are levels of celebration out there taking place over
the assassination, the killing of Charlie Kirk, who leaves behind
two very small children and a wife. The only way
out is through, and the only way through it is together.
And that is my plan. That's my whole plan, and
I hope you're with me.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
That looks like a second plane.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
Yes, just a plane, go in that just exploded.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I just saw another plane coming in from the side
you did, guess that's the second explosion. You can see
the plane come in just from the right hand side
of the screen. So this looks like it is some
sort of a concerted effort to attack.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Twenty four years ago, September eleventh, two thousand and one.
Tony Katz ninety three WIBC. Good morning, twenty four years
since September eleventh, less than twenty four hours since the
assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
It is indeed a rough morning.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
There is much to get to, but these subjects will
lead exactly what evil do we have? How does one
combat it? How do we come together to do it?
How do we ensure that we are victorious? And who
is it that is we just Republicans, just conservatives? How
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about the free and thinking people who don't believe that
the answer is the death of another. No society is
healthy in this way. The Islamists who attacked and murdered
two thousand plus on September eleventh, They're not healthy people,
are not good people, And to this day Islamists are
neither healthy nor good people. They are a danger to
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all of society. If the murderers of September eleventh were
to be successful, the dark ages around the globe would
never cease. If the murderer of Charlie Kirk is successful,
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the dark ages will last forever. We will never be
able to speak, we will never be able to share,
we will never be able to engage. And if they
are to believe they can silence Charlie Kirk and therefore
move down the line of silencing others who dare speak up?
Do they feel emboldened by such things? These are the
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conversations going on, usually encapsulated in the statement of what
the hell is happening out there? What is wrong with people?
What kind of world is this? Leaving us to question
how we explain this to our kids, some of us
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having different conversations than others, depending on age and a
host of things. There are things happening in the world,
things that do affect us. I'll give you. I'll give
you one story that aes We're talking about energy here
in the state of Indiana. Their rate increase, the recommendation
(26:41):
is that it be denied. You've got the Indiana Office
a Utility Consumer counselor calling for reduction in aes rates
based on the case's evidence and applicable law. So they
want a rate increase, and the state of saying nah,
as a matter of fact, let's bring that down. These
are things that affect our lives on the daily. What
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we're paying for energy, how it is we're able to
afford the daily things September eleventh affects our life on
the daily. And it is imperative that at this time,
year after year, without fail, without question, we remember it,
and we go over it, and we go through it,
and we do not stop, and we do not cease,
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and we do not rest, and we watch the horrific videos,
and we watch the firefighters, the first responders covered in smoke.
We ask ourselves, how could we have missed such a thing?
And then we ask ourselves, what are we doing to
ensure that never happens again? What are we doing to
ensure that we win? What are we doing to ensure
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that we don't forget as many would like us to.
There will be people who try to memory hole what
happened to Charlie Kirk just yesterday, less than twenty four
hours ago, in a video that if you haven't seen it,
I don't know if I recommend it, although I absolutely
state that you must watch the videos from September eleventh
because you cannot be allowed to forget. I don't know,
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I don't know why I see them as different.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yesterday was horrifying.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
We will get into what we know about the murder
of the assassination of Charlie Kirk and some of the
responses which have already led to some people being fired,
which is a good start. We're here, guys, we're together,
and our brighter days are still ahead.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I absolutely believe it.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Tony Katz ninety three, WIBC, Good Morning. Changing the show
around a bit between September eleventh, twenty four years later
between the assassination of Charlie Kirk. We're going to keep
it down a little. Tony Katz, ninety three, WIBC, Good Morning.
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But I do share with you a story, a story
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from here in Indiana, a story that happened nationwide. First,
the Indiana Democratic Party after the assassination of Charlie Kirk yesterday.
I mean, that's what happened. Right He was speaking to
a crowd of thousands. He was shot in the neck
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from two hundred plus yards. What kind of weapon was used,
we do not know. We know that there there was
a person of interest. That person was released, and right
now there is no other information that we have unless
it's come out in the last thirty seconds about a suspect.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
There is a man hunt underway, and I.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Have to assume it is going to be the largest
manhunt history. Everybody's gonna be coming out of the woodwork
to find who killed Charlie Kirk, Who was responsible for this?
The Indiana Democratic Party tweeted out, we are horrified by
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today's attack on Charlie Kirk in Utah. We condemn political
violence of any kind anywhere, in our country, no one
should fear being a target of violence while expressing their
First Amendment rights. We are thinking and praying for Charlie
and his family. Now, I had responded to this by
saying he wasn't attacked, he was assassinated. It was pointed
out to me a very very crude way that this
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post was put out an hour plus before we knew
that Charlie Kirk had died, and so for that I
did a repost in saying this post came out before
they knew. Now, I would never have set attack. I
would have said it was shot. I still may take
umbrage with the word, but I can at least be
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clear about the fact that this was before we knew
that Charlie had been killed, and that is that is
important to note and to remember. It does not change
the fact that the Bartholomew County Democrats put out a
statement or put out a post on Facebook sharing the
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news that Charlie Kirk had died, and they wrote violent
delights have violent ends. That post has now been deleted.
I put it out there. When will will you call
on the bartholicar Bartholomew County Democrats to take down this post.
I do not know if the Indiana Democratic Party did
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or didn't.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
They have not yet said anything about it.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
The question before us is Bartholomew County Democrats, does your
leadership remain? Shouldn't they all quit? Shouldn't they all resign
right now? For allowing that? Yes, they may not have
written it, but it happened on their watch.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
This is the kind of thing that took place. Well,
Charlie Kirk deserved it. Why because he disagreed with you?
He deserved it. This is the Matthew Dowd story, And
the story about Matthew Dowd on MSNBC is that, in
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the moments after we learned about this shooting, which if
you have seen the video is so absolutely horrific, it
it will it will shock the senses, Matthew Dowd on
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live television.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Said this, yeah, again, emphasize what you just emphasize. We
don't know the full details of this that. We don't
know if this was a supporter shooting their gun off
in celebration or so, we have no idea about it.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
On what planet could it have possibly been a supporter
shooting off of firearm in celebration? Why would you say it.
You say it because you are a radically hateful person.
You say it because you are disparaging, because you are rude,
because you have lost.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
All your humanity.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
He then went down this line, He's been one of
the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this who
is constantly sort of pushing this sort.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
And I always go back to hateful thoughts, lead to
hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
And I think that's the environment we're.
Speaker 8 (35:11):
In that people just you can't stop with these sort
of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful
words and not expect awful actions to take place.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
And then Matthew Dowd just said, of Charlie Kirk, his
skirt was too short.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
He deserved it.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
No conversation about civility, no conversation about people living and
let live, no conversation about free speech.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Nope, he said things that other people don't like.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Matthew Dowd determined them as hateful and therefore he deserved it.
Matthew Dowd got fired by MSNBC. They wrote last night
through their pr side, not on their official Channel during
our breaking news coverage of the shooting of Charlie Kirk,
Matthew Dowd made comments that were inappropriate and sensitive and unacceptable. Well,
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we apologize for his statements, as has he. There is
no place where violence in America, political or otherwise. He
was fired and got announced this morning. Lost humanity is
a real thing. Hate rocks the brain. But you know
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as well as I do, there are people at MSNBC
and CNN, the New York Times and Washington Post and
all across America, and in the Indiana Democratic Party Hello
Bartholomew County that agree. Not every as obvious by the
statement from the Indiana Democrats as a whole, who even
if they didn't believe it, they at least put out
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what could be seen as a proper statement. And I'm
not going to disparage them by saying they don't believe it,
but clearly Bartholomew County Democrats don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Pure raw, unadulterated.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Evil is the only way to describe these comments and
these minds, these people who think they are our intellectual betters,
they do believe that, and they do believe that you
are the one engaged in some horrible conversation in some
horrible talking point, and they are the good and the just.
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Trump is a Nazi, Trump is Hitler, Trump is terrible.
Trump is a fascist. Trump is taking away your rights.
We have to do something.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
We hear me.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I have been discussing that the left has been calling
for a lone wolf for years, and they got their
lone wolf in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
And then they tried to get their lone wolf there
at mar A Lago.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
They got their lone wolf. They're at Utah Valley, Utah
Valley University. And the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Do I
think this is going to end? You understand that we
are all going to be subjected to an episode of
the View where they say, well, you understand that Matthew
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Dowd will have another job. You understand that there is
a segment of the populace that believes you should not
be allowed to speak. I should not be allowed to speak,
we should not be allowed to share. We saw this
when they told us that the New York Posts can't
share a story about Hunter Biden a laptop, which was
one hundred percent accurate. You were told this, shown this
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when you were not allowed to say, hey, this vaccine,
is it really effective? Is it totally safe? They can't
silence you one way, they will try to silence you
another way. This is not me engaging in hyperbole or
engaging in an act of violence. This is me carefully,
thoughtfully breaking down the evidence that has been presented our side.
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I didn't say you were a Republican or a conservative.
The people, the free and thinking people, the people who
believe in debates, who believe in conversation, who believe in
actual civility, which is not the tyranny of the other side.
Civility is not please and thank you, It is not agreement,
It is not kind words. It is being able to
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control oneself enough to not totally terrorize the minority or
the minority, not trying to silence others who may disagree
with them by acting in that violent way.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
We have to win.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
That's a that's a lesson for today, whether we're talking
about Charlie Kirk or September eleventh, we have to win.
And there's no option in that.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
On an a plaint, lift on hijack and things will
go and it's not working to Are.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
You wanting to know I have for being fuck you.
I want you to be good, so have a good time.
Thanks to my.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
Parents and everybody has I just totally bugging and howling.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Capta are they going to be able to get somebody
up here? It's completely in golf well on the floor
and we can't breathe.
Speaker 7 (40:06):
They very very hot. No no, no, no, no no,
say I'm going to die in man says.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I, you're a good stop man.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
You don't know hot. I'm very happy, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I love you.
Speaker 7 (40:20):
I'm building in New York.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
I want to smoke and you just want to do
the words of those who lost their lives on September
eleventh are brutal, and I share them in a way
that means them.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
To be exactly what they were. They should hit as hard, they.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Should feel as strong. They should tear you as they
must have for those who listen to them live or
heard the messages later, wondering, wait was my loved one
on that flight? Wait was my loved one in the building.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
At the time? Come back home?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
And to hear that two thousand and one, it wasn't
VOICEMAILT was answering machines Tony Katz ninety three, WIBC good morning.
We remember September eleventh, twenty four years ago today, as
I was a restaurant manager in Washington, DC. I was
training someone. That's what I was doing twenty four years ago.
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I was training someone and they came in and said,
you have to see this. Seven point fifty nine, nine
minutes from right now, Flight eleven American Airlines takes off
from Boston heading for Los Angeles, seventy six passengers, eleven
crew members, five hijackers on board. It would be only
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sixteen minutes after that the United Airlines Flight one seventy
five took off from Boston, fifty one passengers, nine crew members,
five hijackers aboard. The sounds of nine to eleven matter,
and we share them.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
And now we have.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Less than twenty four hours ago, the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
Killed for speaking, killed because somebody disagreed with him, Killed
because well, we can't let those people on the political
right have a say. They're trying to take away our rights,
and they're authoritarians, and they're trying to create a theocracy.
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And how does one deal with such a day? How
do we engage and how do we move forward? First,
let's at least keep our wits and remember that the
sun did rise today and the sun will indeed rise tomorrow.
Our options are limited in the concept of how we
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go into tomorrow. Tomorrow is coming, and the only thing
that we ever really have a choice in is how
we're going to face the mood, the attitude, et cetera. Right,
what is the line, whether you think you can or
whether you think you can't, You're right, this concept, this
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idea of this philosophy, that it is up It is up.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
To us how you view the day, how you view
the moment.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
What is your plan when you wake up in the morning,
What was your plan today? What will be your plan tomorrow?
How do you explain that to your kids? And what
do you want their plan to be? I think there
is an imperative there that we are going to be
waking up tomorrow and the next day and the next day.
I put forth to you that that reminder, that that
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understanding is extremely valuable and only should help in setting
the course. I want tomorrow to be better than today,
but I can't forget what happened today or yesterday. I
have no plans I'm forgetting September eleventh, I was a
restaurant manager in Washington, DC. It's the hard Rock Cafe
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ninth and E. I don't know if I was a
very good restaurant manager. I was the depths of my depression.
I must have made everybody around me miserable.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
I must have. I was miserable. How could I not
make other people miserable?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
And I came out to see what was going on
in the TVs and saw the second plane hit, and
next to the hard Rock Cafe, which is next to
Ford's Theater where Abraham Lincoln was assassinated, it was the
FBI building, and I watched people run for their lives
from the FBI building. I didn't even understand at the
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time it was terrorism. I think as I look back
on how I handled myself in the days after, I
don't think I handled myself well. I don't think I
understood what was really happening. But it was from that
moment that I said, I don't know what I'm doing here,
but I shouldn't be doing this. I should be talking
about this. It was then that I started engaging truly.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
I always politically aware, but not this.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
That's where it came from. I was not a nine
to twelve conservative. I was aware of how much I
didn't know. On nine to twelve, I was aware of
my God, the world is bigger than me, and I
started digging in. How we go about what's next, Well,
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that matters. And I have said to you before that
the only way out is through let me at least
give you and remind you of this that tomorrow will
come and it is up to us how we handle
it and how we look at it. And I think
that that in and of itself is a positive. Yes,
are there people out there trying to do us harm? Absolutely?
Are there people out there who want to shut us up,
you and me together? Absolutely? Are there violent people out there.
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There's still a murderer on the run. They do not
have a suspect in the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
What we do tommorrow is up to us, and what
we do today is up to us, and what we
do today will have a bearing on what happens tomorrow.
We have to decide that we're going to keep at it.
Are we going to speak freely?
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Absolutely? Are we going to keep engaging absolutely? Are we
going to be cowed? Absolutely not? Are we going to
be shy?
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Absolutely not. Will we be silenced, No, Will we remember
and make sure we do everything possible to it sure
doesn't happen again. September eleventh, or Charlie Kirk political assassinations.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Absolutely we will together. We don't have.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Any other options or at least no good ones. I'm
glad you're here.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
There is still a dunman on the loose.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Tony Katz ninety three WIBC, Good morning, Good to be
with you. Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, dead
at the age of thirty one. Assassinated at an event
at Utah Valley University, part of what he was calling
his American Comeback Tour, which was scheduled. As we were
discussing it yesterday and I had brought up doing stuff
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on college campuses and someone said, you know, Charlie Kirk
is coming to IU.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
It was October, part of his American comeback tour.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
There was a suspect, a person of interest, they referred
to it yesterday in custody. That person has been released.
They are right now engaged in a manhunt. I don't
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know what it is they know. I don't know who
it is that they are looking for. I have absolutely
no idea where we go from here on this, but
I can tell you that this will be the biggest
manhunt you ever saw. There is simply no way the
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Trump administration, the Bondie Department of Justice, the cash Betel
led FBI is going to not turn over every rock
to find who did this, A guy who you could
see from videos to the video everywhere on the roof
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of a building. Now, some people will tell you that
this was a professional hit, without question, and then there
will be others who tell you I could have taught
a novice how to make this shot with a bolt
action rifle in ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
I think that's an argument for others.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
I think the conversation for us is first things first,
we need to find who did this, and we cannot
allow ourselves to lose sight of the fact that Charlie
Kirk was killed because somebody didn't like what he had
to say. As a guy who's in the business of
saying things, that is a very real moment. I have
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not spoken with my counterparts here at WIBC, nor have
I spoken with any other radio counterparts. I was supposed
to record yesterday the UH We were going to record
Eat Drink, smoke myself and Fingers Maloy, and we were like, yeah,
we're not going to do that, can't. We didn't have
all the information regarding Charlie. He's like, we do a
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cigar and bourbon show. How in the world do you
keep this light? How? How are we going to do
that for the show that we're going to have to
record today? How just couldn't do it, not until we
had the information. I think everybody processes a little differently,
and me, I didn't want anybody else's thoughts in my head.
But I was on Newsmax last night discussing this and
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there were two things. If I can, I have no
idea how other people are supposed to process these things.
I don't know how they're supposed to explain to their
kids like I had to, even though my kids are older,
what happened then, what it means for you, especially at
least in our situation being in this business. Certainly not
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as popular as Charlie Kirk. But I do events two.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Hundred and fifty people, not twenty five hundred people.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
I'm getting there absolutely security. I've informed my station that
I do not show up to events where there is
not security, and there has to be a recognition that
Charlie had security. It would not have stopped the person
who wants to do you harm. Our issue are the
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people out there who don't believe that we should be
allowed to engage, who have been told repeatedly, again and
again and again and again that these people are authoritarians,
and these people are Nazis, and these people are this,
and these people are that, and they.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
Are our a threat to you.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
There are indeed bad ideas in the world. The reason
you put them into the public square is so you
can find out exactly how bad of an idea it is.
We must be able to engage. The engagement of debate
is indeed the civil society and the basic concepts of
civility in Toto. It is not please and thank you,
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and it is not an acceptance of somebody else's point
of view, but rather allowing them to engage it. There's
the difference. I do not have to accept it. I
do not have to say I understand where you're coming from.
I could be like, that's nutty, goodbye. Civility is not acceptance.
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Civility is not terrorizing the minority through a level of tyranny,
nor allowing the minority to threaten those people they disagree
with with acts of violence. Can't have a society that way.
For all, the Founding fathers, through the Federal's papers warned
to faction here we are. I, well, I do this.
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I don't think I'm any different than you. How are
you gonna explain it to your kids? How do you
process this? What happens when you say something on social
media that someone doesn't like and you know you have
and you know you will.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
They have to find who did this.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
We have to change the mindset of people who think
that because they disagree, they are somehow entitled to do
horrific things.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
We cannot have this society.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
We can't.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Cannot survive like that.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
No society can. And the more it delves into the madness,
the more the people who want to destroy Western civilization
gain success.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Can't have it.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
What happened yesterday was flat out horrifying. The video is horrifying.
The close up videos are so awful. I cannot describe them.
If you have seen them, you know, and if you
haven't seen them, maybe you're better off. Maybe not. I
leave that to you. But the murder, the assassination of
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Charlie Kirk was about saying, in every way, and I
don't know who did it, we are not going to
allow conversation to take place. That is the effect, and
the answer is yes, we will.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
There is only one answer.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
As for the people who want to push the idea
of well, well he deserved it, well his skirt is
too short, as they engaged on MSNBC, well this is
just gonna give Trump an excuse.
Speaker 9 (54:12):
That he put out a four minute video. And I'm
not going to play the video. I don't want to
play the video. But there was a line at the
end that I think is I just wanted to raise
and read. At the end of this four minute video,
he says, for years, those on the radical left have
compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis in the world's
most worst mass murders and criminals. This kind of rhetoric
is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in
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our country today, and it must stop right now. And
obviously there's a lot of rhetoric that is problematic, a
lot of it is coming from one particular side and
from one particular building.
Speaker 2 (54:47):
But what can be done?
Speaker 9 (54:48):
I fear when this is an escalation already in less
than twenty four hours of this shooting.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
The recognition of things that are said is an escalation. No,
it's honesty, but this is from a network that engaged
in some horrible stuff in the moments after Charlie Kirk
was killed. He was thirty one, he had a wife,
(55:17):
he had two small children and a future in front
of him and a lot of people who were listening.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
He didn't deserve this. I didn't know him. I think
I met him once. I didn't know him.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
He didn't deserve this. The killer has to be found
and we have to keep talking. There are other things
happening in the news, like Poland mobilizing Tony Katz ninety
three WIBC, Good morning, good to be with you. It
was Russia that engaged a drone strike against the Poles.
(55:58):
Nineteen Russian military drone own some being launched from Belarus,
entered Polish airspace. This over the last two days, Poland
mobilizing drones were intercepted by Polish F sixteen, supported by
the Dutch, and they're now saying that they're going Article four,
(56:22):
which is hey, everybody, we are we're being attacked by
Russia and we're a NATO nation, So you might want
to gear up for Article five. Article four is about consultations, like,
excuse me, everyone, if I can get everyone together here,
this is happening. Gear up, get ready, gird the loins.
Speaker 2 (56:48):
This is coming.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Article five means an attack on one is an attack.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
On all.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
Is Russia, purposefully raising the temperature. Absolutely they are. It
is unquestionable that this is exactly what they're doing in
an effort to what Well, we'll stop as long as
we get this land, which is why we're hearing about
Ukraine saying we don't have the ability to keep up
(57:18):
these defenses much longer, because the United States is sending
less and less materials to get what of Vladimir's lines,
you can say, okay, we'll give up this and this,
just make this stop. Pressure being applied to make deals,
rush applying pressure to get a better deal. The polls
are not.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
Going to take this.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
They're not They've lived under communism, they lived through the Nazis.
They ain't doing this, and if they have to fight,
they're going to fight to the last man. Europe better
gear up.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
This is happening.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
But as we sit here on the twenty fourth anniversary
of September eleventh.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
We take the time to remember because.
Speaker 1 (58:01):
We don't have options.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
We do not have any option.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
But to spend our time discussing what it is that
took place, remembering what it is that happened that three
thousand of our countrymen were killed by Islamists.
Speaker 7 (58:23):
Were five six eight six five. We have a I
believe is a seven fifty seven. Can you see him
up there? Or that's occur It looks like a rocketers
Waker brother rock of four were five sixty eight six
five advis as you say, we for betaircraft go north.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
As fast as you care, United ninety three. Have you
got information on.
Speaker 5 (58:42):
That yet here you jail, you won't.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
Yes, When did you land?
Speaker 9 (58:46):
You did not land.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
Somewhere up northeast of Camp David.
Speaker 1 (58:53):
That's shanksel And as I've discussed before, Todd Beemer and
everybody who stormed the cockpit to prevent that plane from
crashing into the White House or the Capitol or onto
me as I stood there on the corner of Ninth
and E where I was working as a restaurant manager,
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that they saved my life.
Speaker 2 (59:16):
I believe this every single day.
Speaker 1 (59:19):
There is not a day that has gone by in
twenty four years, that I haven't thought about it somehow,
that it hasn't come into my mind. Something some thought,
some fleeting that if it wasn't for them that plane crashes.
I mentioned myself working downtown DC. My wife was a
(59:43):
teacher in Maryland, and the kids their parents worked at
the Pentagon. My wife watched kids trying to get in
touch with their parents who worked at the Pentagon on
after seeing it, after hearing about this attack and not
(01:00:04):
knowing whether their parents were alive or dead. We each
went through our things, and we didn't go through anything
compared to what others went through.
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Everything about September eleventh is.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Ugly, and everything has to be remembered, and it has
to be discussed, and it has to be shared. Some
of the worst things, the worst videos, the worst commentaries,
the worst phone calls, the most heart wrenching phone calls,
they all have to be shared today with your loved ones.
They have to remember, they have to know that it happened.
How else can we ensure that it doesn't again. That
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we win this fight against the islamis that we understand
that there are people who want to destroy us for
what it is. We believe and how we believe it,
and as we saw yesterday, who want to kill us
for saying things they disagree with. We have to win,
and I am in many ways convinced the only way
(01:01:04):
we win is together. I'm glad you're here. The twenty
fourth anniversary of September eleventh, the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
I'll make up some of the regular program.
Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
When we're usually doing a Thursday tomorrow, everybody the Popcorn
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Will handle that tomorrow as well. Tony Katz ninety three WIBC,
Good morning, Good to be with you. The Doubt futures
(01:01:39):
are up seventy one, the Nasdaq futures are up fifty six.
Oil prices sixty two dollars and eighty one cents on
the West Texas crewed sixty six dollars and sixty six cents. Well,
that's not ominous on the Brent crew. The ten year
treasury four point zero zero. We've been watching this. It
(01:02:00):
did hit a low in the early hours of three
point nine ninety six. This has been trending down. We're
going to see if that continues.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Consumer prices rose at two point nine percent in August
wait annual rate of two.
Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Point nine percent. Good lord, I was about to lose
my head. I will get to all of that on
Tony Katz today at noon. Let me give you an
update here, as we've been talking about September eleventh, as
we've been talking about the assassination of Charlie Kirk yesterday
at Utah Valley University at the age of thirty one,
(01:02:44):
there's a I shared a story first was brought to
my attention by Indy Spanglish if you know Jerry, who
often fills in on WIBC. He noted that the Bartholomew
County Democratic Party had put out a story about Charlie
Kirk dying and they wrote, violent delights have violent ends?
Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Is what is wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Well, they put out a statement afterwards because I had
then reposted and gave the hot tip to to Jerry,
to to Indi Spanglish and said, hey, Indiana Democrats, why
is this happening with your party? Why are you posting this?
That post has since been taken down, and they put
out a statement. Yesterday evening a post was shared on
(01:03:31):
our page regarding the horrific news of Charlie Kirk's passing.
I don't know if that was because of me or
because of Jerry, because of somebody else, but yes, it
was shared. He spent a good deal of his time
advocating for the Second Amendment, even to the moment that
it took his life. Is this some kind of hey,
(01:03:53):
we're sorry the Second Amendment took his life? Are you
all insane? In trying to convey the tragedy of this,
a quote was taken from a well known Shakespearean tragedy.
The quote comes from Romeo and Juliet. These violent delights
have violent ends, and in their triumph die like fire
(01:04:15):
and powder, which, as they kiss, consume The sweetest honey
is lothsome in his own deliciousness, and in the taste,
confounds the appetite. Therefore, love moderately long, love doth so
too swift, derives as tardy as too slow. That's the quote.
So they say that they took this from Shakespeare. The
(01:04:37):
quote was a message, given that such a great passion
like this could result in a terrible end as this
death was. It is obvious that our post was not
received in the way that it was meant, and we
are terribly sorry for the hurt that it caused.
Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
We do empathize greatly.
Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
With those who have lost people to gun violence and
the pain that it brings, so we removed our post
and its reminders from our page. We promise to be
more mindful of about our quote selections in the future.
As always, we do not condone gun violence or violence
of any nature. No matter what, you blamed the Second Amendment,
you blame support for the Second Amendment. I see that
(01:05:12):
you're trying to cover for yourself ipso facto. But the
quote was obscene. It absolutely looked like you were relishing
the moment. And then you say he spent a good
deal of time advocating for the Second Amendment, even to
the moment that it.
Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Took his life.
Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
That is not what happened.
Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
The Second Amendment did not take his life.
Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
This is gross. A madman took his life, whom we
have not yet found as the manhunt continues. Honestly, if
this is your attempt at apology, Bartholomew County Democrats, I
(01:06:00):
said it before I'll say it again, at what moment
is every one of your leadership or placed.
Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
You don't know how to do this. You don't know
how to be normal, nor do you understand what actually
took place here. Blaming the gun is nonsense. It has
always been nonsense.
Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Someone said Charlie Kirk shouldn't be allowed to speak and
shot him.
Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
That's what happened. We need to find you did this.
Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Someone said Donald Trump cannot be allowed to be president
and tried to kill him.
Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
It wasn't the gun. It was the beta mail.
Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Somebody said this healthcare CEO is unacceptable and killed him
in broad daylight.
Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
And it wasn't the gun.
Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
It was a radical yes, indeed, progressive communist, socialist if
you will, ideology period. You think we're not going to notice,
you think we're not gonna say so you get to
you think this is somehow ooh, our bad. It's an obscenity.
It is obscene. Indiana Democratic Party, this is how you're seen,
(01:07:15):
This is how you are viewed, and this is why
you don't win in Indiana. This is why you can't
win in Indiana. Good lord, it's it's just sick. You're
just sick.
Speaker 7 (01:07:34):
That is it.
Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
That is all.
Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
The Democratic Party should be denouncing what Bartholomew has now
said for the second time. Time to change people out,
time to replace them. And if you can't do better,
shut it down, Holy macra or if I was only political, no, no, no,
leave it up. Everybody should see what you really are.
(01:08:05):
Good gosh, Tony Katz, ninety three WIBC, Good morning. In
the end, there's no good way to do a show
like today, There's absolutely none. There's no right recipe or
right philosophy for how you deal with the twenty fourth
anniversary September eleventh, and be not yet twenty four hours
(01:08:29):
removed from the assassination of Charlie Kirk at the age
of thirty one at Utah Valley University, shot in the
neck while speaking to a very large crowd. The There
is no suspecting custody right now. Tony Katz in ninety
three WIBC, Good Morning. There is a manhunt. There are rumors,
(01:08:52):
posts of things that may have taken place, what kind
of weapon utilized, what may have been scrawled on the.
Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Cartridges. That's all right now.
Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
In the ether, that's all right now, in the in
the unknown, it's it's nothing more than talk on social media.
As far as I'm concerned, there is no good way
to handle a day like today.
Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
It doesn't exist. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Was I supposed to talk more about other things going
on in the world. Was I supposed to talk only
about Charlie Kirk at nine to eleven? Was I supposed
to break into tears? Was I supposed to cheer everybody up?
I have absolutely no idea as with everything, you do
the best that you can and how you feel.
Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
It should work.
Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
At the moment I had my conversations with my kids,
You're gonna have to have your conversations with yours, and
I'm not quite sure how you do it. I put
forth to you that honesty is everything. Put forth to
you that reminding people, that reminding your children that being
free is always better than being enslaved, that the Islamist
(01:10:07):
is wrong and we are right, and we have to
win and they have to lose, because if we win,
everybody still gets to have independent thoughts and independent minds.
Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
If they win, we all live in slavery.
Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Reminds our kids that in the United States, we allow
people to say things even that we don't like. Free
speech does not exist for the speech or the person
that you like. It exists for the speech or the
people that you hate, because you may hate them, but
they also hate you, and they should have no ability,
no ability to keep you from speaking. And what happened
(01:10:44):
to Charlie Kirk is obscene. And yet there are people
out there who believe that some should not be allowed
to speak, and there absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Is the call to engage this violence.
Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
We should also be clear that while I absolutely believe
and some people may disagree with this, that words have
meaning and people do get genduct to violence. It is
the responsibility of the person in question. Just because somebody
is trying to rally somebody to doing something doesn't mean
that you have to do it. It's the expression. Nobody
(01:11:19):
believes the Khan more than the mark. When you are
the person saying, oh, I have to do this, you
are the person being targeted to go do the thing,
and you are the one who can say I'm not
doing that. I disagree with the other side, I disagree
with these people. It doesn't mean I'm going to physically
(01:11:41):
assault them, shoot them, stop them. Speaking out is very
different than going after your family. If they're shooting at you,
that's different. If they're saying bad things about you, well
that's social media.
Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
This is rough stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
It is a rough day, and it is going to
be days of this conversation. The parallels of September eleventh
and what happened with Charlie Kirk and the idea that
there are some people who do not want this way
of life, and we have to succeed and they have
to fail, and we have to win and they have
(01:12:22):
to lose, and the only way we do this is together,
because the only way out is through.
Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
It's the only way out.
Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
We're gonna have to see this through to the end.
There will be no light switch that is flipped and
suddenly everyone says, oh wait, we won't do that anymore. No, no,
it gets worse until it doesn't. You know the expression,
and to the extent that I believe it or I
work with it. Good times make weak men, week men
(01:12:52):
make hard times. Hard times make a tough men. Tough
men make good times. That concept, these are the hard times.
People who don't believe in free speech, people who don't
believe in free thought, people who believe they should be
able to silence you, people who are so told that
they don't have to contain their own emotions that they
(01:13:12):
must act out upon them.
Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
It's okay to act out upon them.
Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
And then the people who are so lost in their
own souls, in their own minds that they cheer the violence.
That's what we're up against. And it's us or them,
and I choose us. And to the people who've been
kind enough to question my safety, I'm not as popular
as Charlie Kirk. I'm going about living my life. Will
(01:13:38):
I see Do I do events differently? The answer is yes,
and I already had before. But are you going to
see me walking down the street? Absolutely? Am I going
to keep holding events? Absolutely clear your calendars for January twentieth,
and I may do another one before that.
Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
No, not giving into these people, and neither of you.
Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
I didn't know Charley Kirk, but rest his soul, and
I didn't know the people who died in September eleventh.
They're always in my soul, on my mind, and hopefully
yours as well. I'll catch at noon. I'm glad you
are here.
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