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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tara Hastings Wish TV meteorologists, what's happening.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hey, good morning. We're gonna look for sunny skies today.
It is gonna be a warm one today. I think
that's the main weather story. We're talking about temps in
the mid and upper seventies, maybe flirting with eighty in
some spots. Tonight will be mostly clear, We'll fall to
about fifty four, a little bit more cloud cover on
Wednesday in five could see mainly cloudy skies for the afternoon.
Will if for temperature's only around seventy one, could see
(00:25):
maybe a few sprinkles in northern sections of Indiana. Still
drive Thursday and Friday, and then over the weekend some
rain will move through. Even some thunderstorms possible as well,
could bring some much needed rain across the state.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
How much rain, well, it.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
All depends upon where the We're anticipating maybe the possibility
of some stronger thunderstorms, So it all depends upon where
some of those thunderstorms set up. Right now, it looks
like the bulk of the state could get at least
some rainfall, but the heavier pocket of rain could be
in southern sections of Indiana. But the possibility maybe an
inch in some spots, maybe a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
All right, that's a fair amount of rain.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
It is. And boy, the northern sections of the state
under extreme drought conditions and some pockets around Kocomo and
Fort Wayne. So we've got burn bands in the state
as well. So we definitely could use some moisture out there.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Let me change gears on you. Do you ride motorcycles?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Do I ride motorcycles? I do not?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So it turns out that producer Kylon rides a motorcycle
and sent me a photo of her next to what
is obstensibly her motorcycle, and I didn't.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
We've learned something today. Wow about it?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Like a is it a like a Harley? I mean,
what kind of motorcycle this is?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
This is a Yamaha? She said three hundred cc.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Wow, it's nice sharp. You like it?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
So that's that's what's going on with her. But not you,
Not you, Tara Hayes.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
You can drive the sidecar.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
You don't have a sidecar, Kyland. That's what I'm saying.
You need a side car. That's the everything.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
That would be fantastic, although then I'd be like, oh
my gosh, really close to the the pavement. Yeah, well
I drove the I drove the truck into work today
and I was like, holy mully, I felt like I
was Queen of the road driving in.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
What do you mean you drove the truck?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
How many vehicles are you talking about with that weather
lady money?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Now wait a minute, Well, my husband has we've flipped vehicles,
and so he took the uh the SUV, the Kia
Sorrento that I have, and I took the the Ford
f one fifty into work.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
And wow, yeah you did, and you're far half they
are in a Ford.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
You yeah, you are.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Yes, everybody this seat America. I want a Couzin gass.
I want to run over small countries. I have tremendous
power on Tara Hastings.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Man, there's heated seats in that one, and I have
heated seats in mind, but holy moly, these are like
is very toasty? A good ride in? It's a good ride.
I love it.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Wow, we're learning a.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Lot about everybody today, Tara Hastings, which TV meteorologist, I
appreciate it. Fifty three degrees in the American standard cooling
weather Center at the time is a ten, So it's
(03:57):
a question of who is going to be backing up
Daniel Jones, as you have the injury to Anthony Richardson,
which is so weird. He's working with an exercise band
and I guess it snapped on him and he got
(04:18):
an orbital fracture. If it wasn't for bad luck, he'd
have none. Tony Katz ninety three WIBC, good morning, Good
to be with you. Because of him being placed on
injured reserve, he'll miss four games. I'm telling you, Anthony
(04:41):
Richardson is getting traded. They need to find somebody who
could be the backup, or they're gonna leave it to
Riley Leonard. And I like Riley Leonard, but I don't
know if he's ready for that. I just I have
no way of making that determination. May I suggest we
never should have gotten rid of Flacco one man's theory,
But here we are now. Don't know who they're gonna
(05:03):
pick up, but be looking on the lookout for that.
They're gonna have to pick up somebody today. I think
that's the story to look for. A story out of
The Indie Star and Mirror Indy discussing corruption, Joe hog
Set and of course Thomas Carl cook Man. We had
(05:24):
that one pegged early that story is coming up. Peter
Blanchard scheduled to join us to break that down. Tony
Katz ninety three WIBC, Good Morning. Early on, we discussed
on this show how weird Thomas Carl Cook was deputy mayor.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Chief of staff to Joe hog Set.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Certainly we discussed how weird Joe Hogesett was, but what
an awful person Thomas Carl Cook was. We would invite
Joe hogg Sett onto the show, We'd get no answer.
We'd get like taunting tweets in response. The guy actually
photo bombed me at a at a Pacers game. He
tried to shake my hand like I was ever gonna
(06:09):
shake his hand. I won't shake Joe Hogshead's hand. You
want to talk to me, Mayor hog Seat, you come
on the show and you speak to the people. Don't
try and get chummy with me. If you see me
out in public, that's not happening. But knew that Thomas
Carl Cook was not a guy who was any good.
Then we learn about the sexual impropriety, to which there
(06:31):
was much. Then we see the story that comes out
yesterday a collaboration between The Indie Star and Mirror Indie
what they're calling the Mister Clean Investigation, the series that
will focus on ethical concerns within the Hogshead administration.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Peter Blanchard joins me right now. He is one of
the authors.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Of this story, along with Emily Hopkins of Mirror Indie
and Tony Cook of The Indie Star. Hog Seat ignored
Thomas Cook's secret relationship as money flowed to developers he represented. Peter,
thanks for being with us. You can find this at
Mirror Indie dot org. Give me the elevator pitch on
what it is that people are going to learn in
(07:17):
this story.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Yeah, so, good morning, Tony, and thanks for having me on. Really,
this is a story about power and who are the
people that benefit from their associations in the Hawkshead administration.
The elevator pitch here is you have Thomas Cook mayor
Joe hawks as former chief of staff, exiting the administration,
(07:44):
joining in a law firm and signing up developers who
are seeking incentives from the city. Meanwhile, on the other
end of the negotiating table for the city is Scarlett Andrews,
who was director of the Department in Metropolitan Development, which
is the same very agency that is charged with doling
(08:06):
out those incentives to developers. And so what we wanted
to get across with this story is that there's a
conflict of interest here that makes it very difficult to
know whether several development projects such as City Market the
former Jail two makes it difficult to know if these
(08:27):
projects were done in the public's interest because of that
conflict of interest.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
So let's get into the conflict of interest a little bit.
This is different than the sexual impropriety that is alleged
against him, and certainly the idea of this law firm
that was supposed to clear people or get to the
bottom of things didn't do that. We already know that story.
But rather this falls into a weird level of gray
(08:54):
that city rules didn't have any application to about whether
this type relationship needs any level of ethics compliance. That's
what I gleaned from the story. Is that accurate.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Yeah, it's definitely a gray area. When you look at
both state and the city's ethics laws, what you have is,
you know, measures in place to prevent public servants from
you know, using their position to benefit say their spouse
(09:31):
or an immediate family member, conflict of interest laws don't
really address romantic partners. And you know, there are other
ethics laws we look at. For example, you know, there's
a post employment waiver that former city employees are supposed
to get when they, you know, go and leave the
(09:51):
city and begin private sector work, and if it's related
to the city, but it's it's not really clear here
if any laws are broken. We talk to a couple
ethical experts about that. You know, they were hesitant to
say that any laws are broken here, but at the
very least they said, you know, the conflict of interest
(10:12):
here raises some serious ethical questions.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Talking to Peter Blanchard of Mirror Indie dot org, the
story hog Set ignored Thomas Cook's secret relationship as money
flowed to developers he represented. Now, I have much I
could say about Thomas Carl Cook, who, as I know
it doesn't live in Indianapolis anymore. The duplicitousness that took place,
the ugliness that took place, and the people who worked
(10:37):
with him, I would hold in very very low regard.
But never mind my own personal disdain. This is a
story about Joe hog Set in the main and as
you guys discussed it and I didn't know that this
was the case. I'd be curious to know where this
comes from. He tries to put on airs about having
(10:57):
some real record of integrity.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And then to follow up on that, how is this
story being responded to by him and by Indianapolis.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Yeah. So, you know, one of the reasons we call
the story and it's really going to be a series
of stories about ethical concerns in the hawks At administration.
One of the reasons we call it mister Clean is
because way back in twenty thirteen, when the mayor was
not the mayor yet, he was the US Attorney for
(11:31):
the Southern District of Indiana, he did develop a bit
of a reputation for increasing government corruption prosecutions. And you know,
then when he decides to run for mayor, he pledges
to crack down a public employees who use their position
for personal gain. And then one of the first laws
that he signs when he's in office is an ethics
(11:54):
reform package that is, you know, designed to prohibit conflict
of interest and increase transparency. And so, you know, given
the revelations that that we discovered, we felt that it
was appropriate to bring back this name which had been
given to him by the government watchdog group Common Cause Indiana.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
There's it's interesting that this story and and I really
appreciate the reporting, as we discussed here. When good reporting happens,
I like to cheer it on. And I don't think
it's any secret Peter that my my issues with the
Indie Star, uh go back long and and and are severe.
(12:40):
But I'm seeing the things from this opinion guy, Jacob Stewart,
I'm seeing Tony Cook. Of course, this story things things
that you've been writing about regarding Joe Hogsat and the
sexual impropriety.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Is there a change going on in Indianapolis media?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Is there a distinctive changing of the guard from we
we talk about fluff to we get into serious issues
or was this always here and I wasn't noticing.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
I'd say, I think what you're seeing here is sort
of the consequences of someone staying in power for so long.
You know, Mayor hawk Set during his first two terms,
He's a Democrat in a blue city that's you know,
very upset with the state legislature, and you know the
(13:35):
ways in which they weigh in on Indianapolis politics during
the legislative session and so maryor joehawk Sett is really
kind of representative of his constituents, and so he enjoys
his first two terms relatively scandal free. I mean, you
of course have the questions about where he was during
(13:55):
the twenty twenty riots, but I think beyond that, you know,
he he's really he really went through his first two
terms without any issues.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Now we're seeing the sort of consequences of going for
a third term. When you when you're in power for
this long, you know, I think people start to maybe
question your motives. You know, he had said he wasn't
going to run for a third term, and so and
another thing I would say is, I think, you know,
(14:27):
sometimes it takes a while for you know, people to
air their concerns about, you know, the government in which
they work. You know, in this case, we've spoken to
a lot of anonymous sources, many people who worked in
the Hawkshead administration or still work there and are frustrated
with what they're seeing. And after you know, so many
(14:50):
years of seeing this sort of thing going on, I
think people at a certain point just get fed up.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Peter Blanchard is his name, Peter L. Blanchard on or
X find him there. Hogshead ignored Thomas cook secret relationship
relationship as money flowed to developers. He represented that story
at Mirror Indy dot org. We'll be talking more about it, Peter,
thank you. Time to fill up on the news. Tony
Katz ninety three WIBC, Good morning, What is going on
(15:19):
with you? Dow futures down three twenty eight, they were
up nine billion yesterday. NASDAK futures down to sixty six.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
This has to do with trade. This has to do
with tariffs.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
China has sanctioned five US subsidiaries of a South Korean shipbuilder.
They will prohibit Chinese organizations and individuals from doing business
with the sanctioned companies. This is the fight. Until this
fight is over. Meanwhile, West Texas crewed by the barrel
(15:57):
is down to fifty eight dollars and fifteen sense Brent
crew just under sixty two bucks a barrel at sixty
one ninety six.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
The ten year treasury, which is what the thirty year
fixed mortgage is based on, is now down back in
those zeros to four point zero two six. Oil price
is down, ten year treasury is down. Gold right now
is at forty one hundred and nine dollars an ounce,
(16:29):
and silver is at fifty dollars and fifty four cents.
And the high was it yesterday was fifty three. The
high on gold is forty one hundred and eighty dollars.
And when I say to you, I can't figure it out. No, no, no,
I can't figure it out. I don't think the market
(16:50):
can either. None of this makes sense. None. We will
get with doctor Mattwell, economists at the University of Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
We will try and make sense of it.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
These things, these things going up, are a hedge against
economic calamity. Oil prices going down are a good thing,
allowing people to engage energy, to engage manufacturing. Other No,
transportation costs are lower when oil prices are down, so
gas prices are down. No, okay, Thus the confusion we
(17:28):
will be digging into it.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I have no fear.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Tony Katz. By the way, I almost did it. I
almost did it, but I wasn't gonna do it. Philip
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Speaker 3 (17:41):
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the way, Good to be with you, ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Good morning. Come on.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Kylan times to play America's favorite game. What the heck
is that television theme song? Here is how we play
our game. Usually producer Carl he is on assignment. Producer
Kylin selects a television theme song from yesteryear. I have
(18:59):
to guess what it is. At least it should have
some level of challenge.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
It didn't have lyrics in it.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well, that's still not a level of challenge. But as
is customary, of course, the chat room can give suggestions
as to what it is. You do that at YouTube
YouTube dot com, slash WIBC. Also I can ask. I
can phone a friend, Matt Bear. Play it again on Kylan?
(19:29):
Play that again, Matt Bear? What is that theme song?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
That is Bosom Buddies?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Tony Nice I like that Bosom Buddies is actually Billy Joel.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
This is the fresh Prince of bel Air. It's great. There,
it is.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
How you ended on a good note before I turn.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
It over to Kurt, I was sorry.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I as soon as you're listening to Matt Bear scat.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
What do you? What are you doing? Is Peter Griffin
the fresh Prince? Hey, fresh Prince?
Speaker 5 (20:09):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
It's not really good. I don't. I don't. I don't
have a Peter Griffin. That's a hard one.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Did you do it as your Cartman?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I could. I the only voice I can do from
family guy, and it's it's gross. Is the creepy is
the creepy neighbor? Oh?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
That's so much fun to do, though?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Should I like that fresh Prince? Fresh Prince? Like that's
a stupid one to be able to do. That's damn
good though, I got that bad. That's fun.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Cartman? Is I think a standard impression? I think everyone
can do a basic Cartman impression.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Oh no, they cannot. You can do a cartment impression. No,
I can't do it.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Impressions are my thing. But I know a lot of
people that try carbon and just can't get it.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Done by not Matt. I'm not bad. I'm not bad
at it, Kylin. Can you do impressions?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I don't know, you tell me after this week?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
No, it was last week.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
It's already been.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah, I know, I know. It's ang it's been. Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
You you don't do a Trump impression. You can do
a Trump parody.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Okay, that's different. That's it. But are there any impressions
that you do?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
No, that was the first one I've ever done. Really,
thanks to you.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Really, well, you know what, I bring out the best
in people, right, a team?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Uh, that's that's what that's that's that's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I did not know.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I would have figured, with all the acting chops and
everything else, that you do some kind of impression.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
No, just different characters, but never impressions.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Okay, so, uh, you're more in the in the character
as opposed to an.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Expression of character. Oh yeah, I have no idea what
I just said there.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
It sounded well, it sounded pretty Yeah. You are a
professional actor, aren't you right.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I'm not a professor. You are a professional actor.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
You have IMDb credits, Tony, don't lie to Yeah, But.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
As myself, I've IMDb credits at no, I take that back.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I am a professional actor. Se Wow, that's right.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Don't give yourself, give yourself the credit.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
That is absolutely right there, I am huh. I often
think I should do more of that. I think I
would enjoy it. I just don't know if I would
enjoy in front of the camera or behind the camera more,
because it's if you're doing theater, I forget. I think
it was Denzel Washington who explained this, and I thought
(22:48):
he did an extremely good job. Theater is an actors medium, right,
it's you expressing to an audience.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Film is a directors medium. Who could be doing anything.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
You don't know where the director wants that cut, wants
that scene to look like. The director can be a
focus on anything, and you're giving this impassioned thing. It
doesn't it's not about you. It's about what the director
sees as a vision for the film. So that's really interesting.
So would I rather be in front of a camera
or I rather be behind the camera in that regard?
But I don't see myself as a director. I think
(23:21):
I can make an outrageous producer. I've always felt that
I don't know if I would be a good director
or not. You Kylon, would you would you direct or
would you just want to be in front of the car?
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I have directed before? Yeah, I'm I'm a fan.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
So is it about the power.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
No.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
I have such strong visions though, and love being able
to help bring that across on camera.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, a vision I've got. But if you don't do
what I want, so there will be uh, there will
be beatings, just ask producer Kurt, who will be with
us Wednesday and Thursday and Friday. Kylon, thank you for
the week and a half you've given. Matt Bear, You've
got traffic. I'll catch you guys at noon.
Tara Hastings Wish TV meteorologists, what's happening.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hey, good morning. We're gonna look for sunny skies today.
It is gonna be a warm one today. I think
that's the main weather story. We're talking about temps in
the mid and upper seventies, maybe flirting with eighty in
some spots. Tonight will be mostly clear, We'll fall to
about fifty four, a little bit more cloud cover on
Wednesday in five could see mainly cloudy skies for the afternoon.
Will if for temperature's only around seventy one, could see
(00:25):
maybe a few sprinkles in northern sections of Indiana. Still
drive Thursday and Friday, and then over the weekend some
rain will move through. Even some thunderstorms possible as well,
could bring some much needed rain across the state.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
How much rain, well, it.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
All depends upon where the We're anticipating maybe the possibility
of some stronger thunderstorms, So it all depends upon where
some of those thunderstorms set up. Right now, it looks
like the bulk of the state could get at least
some rainfall, but the heavier pocket of rain could be
in southern sections of Indiana. But the possibility maybe an
inch in some spots, maybe a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
All right, that's a fair amount of rain.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
It is. And boy, the northern sections of the state
under extreme drought conditions and some pockets around Kocomo and
Fort Wayne. So we've got burn bands in the state
as well. So we definitely could use some moisture out there.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Let me change gears on you. Do you ride motorcycles?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Do I ride motorcycles? I do not?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So it turns out that producer Kylon rides a motorcycle
and sent me a photo of her next to what
is obstensibly her motorcycle, and I didn't.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
We've learned something today. Wow about it?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Like a is it a like a Harley? I mean,
what kind of motorcycle this is?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
This is a Yamaha? She said three hundred cc.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Wow, it's nice sharp. You like it?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
So that's that's what's going on with her. But not you,
Not you, Tara Hayes.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
You can drive the sidecar.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
You don't have a sidecar, Kyland. That's what I'm saying.
You need a side car. That's the everything.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
That would be fantastic, although then I'd be like, oh
my gosh, really close to the the pavement. Yeah, well
I drove the I drove the truck into work today
and I was like, holy mully, I felt like I
was Queen of the road driving in.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
What do you mean you drove the truck?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
How many vehicles are you talking about with that weather
lady money?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Now wait a minute, Well, my husband has we've flipped vehicles,
and so he took the uh the SUV, the Kia
Sorrento that I have, and I took the the Ford
f one fifty into work.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
And wow, yeah you did, and you're far half they
are in a Ford.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
You yeah, you are.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Yes, everybody this seat America. I want a Couzin gass.
I want to run over small countries. I have tremendous
power on Tara Hastings.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Man, there's heated seats in that one, and I have
heated seats in mind, but holy moly, these are like
is very toasty? A good ride in? It's a good ride.
I love it.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Wow, we're learning a.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Lot about everybody today, Tara Hastings, which TV meteorologist, I
appreciate it. Fifty three degrees in the American standard cooling
weather Center at the time is a ten, So it's
(03:57):
a question of who is going to be backing up
Daniel Jones, as you have the injury to Anthony Richardson,
which is so weird. He's working with an exercise band
and I guess it snapped on him and he got
(04:18):
an orbital fracture. If it wasn't for bad luck, he'd
have none. Tony Katz ninety three WIBC, good morning, Good
to be with you. Because of him being placed on
injured reserve, he'll miss four games. I'm telling you, Anthony
(04:41):
Richardson is getting traded. They need to find somebody who
could be the backup, or they're gonna leave it to
Riley Leonard. And I like Riley Leonard, but I don't
know if he's ready for that. I just I have
no way of making that determination. May I suggest we
never should have gotten rid of Flacco one man's theory,
But here we are now. Don't know who they're gonna
(05:03):
pick up, but be looking on the lookout for that.
They're gonna have to pick up somebody today. I think
that's the story to look for. A story out of
The Indie Star and Mirror Indy discussing corruption, Joe hog
Set and of course Thomas Carl cook Man. We had
(05:24):
that one pegged early that story is coming up. Peter
Blanchard scheduled to join us to break that down. Tony
Katz ninety three WIBC, Good Morning. Early on, we discussed
on this show how weird Thomas Carl Cook was deputy mayor.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Chief of staff to Joe hog Set.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Certainly we discussed how weird Joe Hogesett was, but what
an awful person Thomas Carl Cook was. We would invite
Joe hogg Sett onto the show, We'd get no answer.
We'd get like taunting tweets in response. The guy actually
photo bombed me at a at a Pacers game. He
tried to shake my hand like I was ever gonna
(06:09):
shake his hand. I won't shake Joe Hogshead's hand. You
want to talk to me, Mayor hog Seat, you come
on the show and you speak to the people. Don't
try and get chummy with me. If you see me
out in public, that's not happening. But knew that Thomas
Carl Cook was not a guy who was any good.
Then we learn about the sexual impropriety, to which there
(06:31):
was much. Then we see the story that comes out
yesterday a collaboration between The Indie Star and Mirror Indie
what they're calling the Mister Clean Investigation, the series that
will focus on ethical concerns within the Hogshead administration.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Peter Blanchard joins me right now. He is one of
the authors.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Of this story, along with Emily Hopkins of Mirror Indie
and Tony Cook of The Indie Star. Hog Seat ignored
Thomas Cook's secret relationship as money flowed to developers he represented. Peter,
thanks for being with us. You can find this at
Mirror Indie dot org. Give me the elevator pitch on
what it is that people are going to learn in
(07:17):
this story.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Yeah, so, good morning, Tony, and thanks for having me on. Really,
this is a story about power and who are the
people that benefit from their associations in the Hawkshead administration.
The elevator pitch here is you have Thomas Cook mayor
Joe hawks as former chief of staff, exiting the administration,
(07:44):
joining in a law firm and signing up developers who
are seeking incentives from the city. Meanwhile, on the other
end of the negotiating table for the city is Scarlett Andrews,
who was director of the Department in Metropolitan Development, which
is the same very agency that is charged with doling
(08:06):
out those incentives to developers. And so what we wanted
to get across with this story is that there's a
conflict of interest here that makes it very difficult to
know whether several development projects such as City Market the
former Jail two makes it difficult to know if these
(08:27):
projects were done in the public's interest because of that
conflict of interest.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
So let's get into the conflict of interest a little bit.
This is different than the sexual impropriety that is alleged
against him, and certainly the idea of this law firm
that was supposed to clear people or get to the
bottom of things didn't do that. We already know that story.
But rather this falls into a weird level of gray
(08:54):
that city rules didn't have any application to about whether
this type relationship needs any level of ethics compliance. That's
what I gleaned from the story. Is that accurate.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Yeah, it's definitely a gray area. When you look at
both state and the city's ethics laws, what you have is,
you know, measures in place to prevent public servants from
you know, using their position to benefit say their spouse
(09:31):
or an immediate family member, conflict of interest laws don't
really address romantic partners. And you know, there are other
ethics laws we look at. For example, you know, there's
a post employment waiver that former city employees are supposed
to get when they, you know, go and leave the
(09:51):
city and begin private sector work, and if it's related
to the city, but it's it's not really clear here
if any laws are broken. We talk to a couple
ethical experts about that. You know, they were hesitant to
say that any laws are broken here, but at the
very least they said, you know, the conflict of interest
(10:12):
here raises some serious ethical questions.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Talking to Peter Blanchard of Mirror Indie dot org, the
story hog Set ignored Thomas Cook's secret relationship as money
flowed to developers he represented. Now, I have much I
could say about Thomas Carl Cook, who, as I know
it doesn't live in Indianapolis anymore. The duplicitousness that took place,
the ugliness that took place, and the people who worked
(10:37):
with him, I would hold in very very low regard.
But never mind my own personal disdain. This is a
story about Joe hog Set in the main and as
you guys discussed it and I didn't know that this
was the case. I'd be curious to know where this
comes from. He tries to put on airs about having
(10:57):
some real record of integrity.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And then to follow up on that, how is this
story being responded to by him and by Indianapolis.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Yeah. So, you know, one of the reasons we call
the story and it's really going to be a series
of stories about ethical concerns in the hawks At administration.
One of the reasons we call it mister Clean is
because way back in twenty thirteen, when the mayor was
not the mayor yet, he was the US Attorney for
(11:31):
the Southern District of Indiana, he did develop a bit
of a reputation for increasing government corruption prosecutions. And you know,
then when he decides to run for mayor, he pledges
to crack down a public employees who use their position
for personal gain. And then one of the first laws
that he signs when he's in office is an ethics
(11:54):
reform package that is, you know, designed to prohibit conflict
of interest and increase transparency. And so, you know, given
the revelations that that we discovered, we felt that it
was appropriate to bring back this name which had been
given to him by the government watchdog group Common Cause Indiana.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
There's it's interesting that this story and and I really
appreciate the reporting, as we discussed here. When good reporting happens,
I like to cheer it on. And I don't think
it's any secret Peter that my my issues with the
Indie Star, uh go back long and and and are severe.
(12:40):
But I'm seeing the things from this opinion guy, Jacob Stewart,
I'm seeing Tony Cook. Of course, this story things things
that you've been writing about regarding Joe Hogsat and the
sexual impropriety.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Is there a change going on in Indianapolis media?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Is there a distinctive changing of the guard from we
we talk about fluff to we get into serious issues
or was this always here and I wasn't noticing.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
I'd say, I think what you're seeing here is sort
of the consequences of someone staying in power for so long.
You know, Mayor hawk Set during his first two terms,
He's a Democrat in a blue city that's you know,
very upset with the state legislature, and you know the
(13:35):
ways in which they weigh in on Indianapolis politics during
the legislative session and so maryor joehawk Sett is really
kind of representative of his constituents, and so he enjoys
his first two terms relatively scandal free. I mean, you
of course have the questions about where he was during
(13:55):
the twenty twenty riots, but I think beyond that, you know,
he he's really he really went through his first two
terms without any issues.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Now we're seeing the sort of consequences of going for
a third term. When you when you're in power for
this long, you know, I think people start to maybe
question your motives. You know, he had said he wasn't
going to run for a third term, and so and
another thing I would say is, I think, you know,
(14:27):
sometimes it takes a while for you know, people to
air their concerns about, you know, the government in which
they work. You know, in this case, we've spoken to
a lot of anonymous sources, many people who worked in
the Hawkshead administration or still work there and are frustrated
with what they're seeing. And after you know, so many
(14:50):
years of seeing this sort of thing going on, I
think people at a certain point just get fed up.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Peter Blanchard is his name, Peter L. Blanchard on or
X find him there. Hogshead ignored Thomas cook secret relationship
relationship as money flowed to developers. He represented that story
at Mirror Indy dot org. We'll be talking more about it, Peter,
thank you. Time to fill up on the news. Tony
Katz ninety three WIBC, Good morning, What is going on
(15:19):
with you? Dow futures down three twenty eight, they were
up nine billion yesterday. NASDAK futures down to sixty six.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
This has to do with trade. This has to do
with tariffs.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
China has sanctioned five US subsidiaries of a South Korean shipbuilder.
They will prohibit Chinese organizations and individuals from doing business
with the sanctioned companies. This is the fight. Until this
fight is over. Meanwhile, West Texas crewed by the barrel
(15:57):
is down to fifty eight dollars and fifteen sense Brent
crew just under sixty two bucks a barrel at sixty
one ninety six.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
The ten year treasury, which is what the thirty year
fixed mortgage is based on, is now down back in
those zeros to four point zero two six. Oil price
is down, ten year treasury is down. Gold right now
is at forty one hundred and nine dollars an ounce,
(16:29):
and silver is at fifty dollars and fifty four cents.
And the high was it yesterday was fifty three. The
high on gold is forty one hundred and eighty dollars.
And when I say to you, I can't figure it out. No, no, no,
I can't figure it out. I don't think the market
(16:50):
can either. None of this makes sense. None. We will
get with doctor Mattwell, economists at the University of Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
We will try and make sense of it.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
These things, these things going up, are a hedge against
economic calamity. Oil prices going down are a good thing,
allowing people to engage energy, to engage manufacturing. Other No,
transportation costs are lower when oil prices are down, so
gas prices are down. No, okay, Thus the confusion we
(17:28):
will be digging into it.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I have no fear.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Tony Katz. By the way, I almost did it. I
almost did it, but I wasn't gonna do it. Philip
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Speaker 3 (17:41):
Still getting used to it.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
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(18:06):
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the way, Good to be with you, ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Good morning. Come on.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Kylan times to play America's favorite game. What the heck
is that television theme song? Here is how we play
our game. Usually producer Carl he is on assignment. Producer
Kylin selects a television theme song from yesteryear. I have
(18:59):
to guess what it is. At least it should have
some level of challenge.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
It didn't have lyrics in it.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well, that's still not a level of challenge. But as
is customary, of course, the chat room can give suggestions
as to what it is. You do that at YouTube
YouTube dot com, slash WIBC. Also I can ask. I
can phone a friend, Matt Bear. Play it again on Kylan?
(19:29):
Play that again, Matt Bear? What is that theme song?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
That is Bosom Buddies?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Tony Nice I like that Bosom Buddies is actually Billy Joel.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
This is the fresh Prince of bel Air. It's great. There,
it is.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
How you ended on a good note before I turn.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
It over to Kurt, I was sorry.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I as soon as you're listening to Matt Bear scat.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
What do you? What are you doing? Is Peter Griffin
the fresh Prince? Hey, fresh Prince?
Speaker 5 (20:09):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
It's not really good. I don't. I don't. I don't
have a Peter Griffin. That's a hard one.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Did you do it as your Cartman?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I could. I the only voice I can do from
family guy, and it's it's gross. Is the creepy is
the creepy neighbor? Oh?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
That's so much fun to do, though?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Should I like that fresh Prince? Fresh Prince? Like that's
a stupid one to be able to do. That's damn
good though, I got that bad. That's fun.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Cartman? Is I think a standard impression? I think everyone
can do a basic Cartman impression.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Oh no, they cannot. You can do a cartment impression. No,
I can't do it.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Impressions are my thing. But I know a lot of
people that try carbon and just can't get it.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Done by not Matt. I'm not bad. I'm not bad
at it, Kylin. Can you do impressions?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I don't know, you tell me after this week?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
No, it was last week.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
It's already been.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah, I know, I know. It's ang it's been. Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
You you don't do a Trump impression. You can do
a Trump parody.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Okay, that's different. That's it. But are there any impressions
that you do?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
No, that was the first one I've ever done. Really,
thanks to you.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Really, well, you know what, I bring out the best
in people, right, a team?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Uh, that's that's what that's that's that's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I did not know.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I would have figured, with all the acting chops and
everything else, that you do some kind of impression.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
No, just different characters, but never impressions.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Okay, so, uh, you're more in the in the character
as opposed to an.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Expression of character. Oh yeah, I have no idea what
I just said there.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
It sounded well, it sounded pretty Yeah. You are a
professional actor, aren't you right.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I'm not a professor. You are a professional actor.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
You have IMDb credits, Tony, don't lie to Yeah, But.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
As myself, I've IMDb credits at no, I take that back.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I am a professional actor. Se Wow, that's right.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Don't give yourself, give yourself the credit.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
That is absolutely right there, I am huh. I often
think I should do more of that. I think I
would enjoy it. I just don't know if I would
enjoy in front of the camera or behind the camera more,
because it's if you're doing theater, I forget. I think
it was Denzel Washington who explained this, and I thought
(22:48):
he did an extremely good job. Theater is an actors medium, right,
it's you expressing to an audience.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Film is a directors medium. Who could be doing anything.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
You don't know where the director wants that cut, wants
that scene to look like. The director can be a
focus on anything, and you're giving this impassioned thing. It
doesn't it's not about you. It's about what the director
sees as a vision for the film. So that's really interesting.
So would I rather be in front of a camera
or I rather be behind the camera in that regard?
But I don't see myself as a director. I think
(23:21):
I can make an outrageous producer. I've always felt that
I don't know if I would be a good director
or not. You Kylon, would you would you direct or
would you just want to be in front of the car?
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I have directed before? Yeah, I'm I'm a fan.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
So is it about the power.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
No.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
I have such strong visions though, and love being able
to help bring that across on camera.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, a vision I've got. But if you don't do
what I want, so there will be uh, there will
be beatings, just ask producer Kurt, who will be with
us Wednesday and Thursday and Friday. Kylon, thank you for
the week and a half you've given. Matt Bear, You've
got traffic. I'll catch you guys at noon.
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