July 9, 2025 • 19 mins
In part two, David and Tim dive into the practicalities of a Lisbon trip: where to eat, where to stay, and how to get around. Plus, they share their “Can’t Miss” Lisbon experiences.
🚍 Getting Around
- Affordable Ubers, historic trams, and why downhill walking is key
🍴 Where to Eat
- Time Out Market – Ideal for first-timers to sample Portuguese dishes
- LX Factory’s Cantina – Elevated Portuguese “worker food” in an industrial-chic space
- Cura at Four Seasons Ritz – A Michelin-starred tasting menu with local ingredients
🛏️ Where to Stay
- Four Seasons Hotel Ritz – Grand, historic, with a rooftop running track and world-class spa
- Tivoli Avenida Liberdade – Chic, central, and ideal for rooftop drinks
- Corpo Santo Historical Hotel – A 5-star gem with free walking tours, snacks, and even an ice cream machine!
🌊 Day Trip “Can’t Misses”
- Sintra – A fairy-tale palace town with UNESCO status and romantic architecture
- Cascais – A charming beach town with 17 different coves and a rich royal history
- Pastéis de Belém – The gold standard of custard tarts (get them hot from the oven!)
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(00:19):
So from steep hills tostreetcars, the scent of grilled
sardines, the sounds of crowdscheering on matadors.
On today's episode, we'reheading back to Portugal's capital,
looking at how this oncesleepy port town has become one of
Europe's most creative andsurprising cities.
A place from Fado.
We talked a little bit on thelast episode to futuristic waterfronts.
(00:41):
We're talking a little bitabout what's new to see and do in
Lisbon.
And yesterday we kind ofcovered off some of the main sites
in the city.
You know, kind of the why to go.
Today, we're going to get alittle bit more into the logistics
of your trip, the where tostay, where to eat, and getting around
the city.
Getting around.
I know you.
(01:01):
I mean, you touched on this alittle bit in our last episode, Tim.
But I found Lisbon, like,really accessible in terms of great
transportation around the city.
And I mean, we, I think wespent about two and a half weeks
in Portugal, rented a car fora couple of days, but vast majority
of the country, like, trainswere super easy for, for transportation
between.
Between cities and aroundLisbon itself as well.
(01:23):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I mean, it's, it is one of theeasiest cities to get around.
It's not a particularparticularly walkable city because
it is set on all these hills,but, you know, a lot of trams which
are, which are great.
I mean, I love if, if the tram.
If you can find a way for thetram to take you there, definitely
get on the tram because it'slike a little tour through the city
(01:45):
and you get to see all thesedifferent neighborhoods, but a pretty
good Metro system, pretty good buses.
And I'll say that the taxisand the Ubers, the Ubers especially,
are extremely affordable.
They're priced, I think, forthe local population.
And I remember going throughmy Visa bill, you know, after one
visit, and I was like, what isthis char charge for $2?
(02:05):
It was an Uber ride.
I got some.
I don't know how far I went,but $2, you know, anything for $2
is good.
So, yeah, very, very easy toget from A to B, and, And you can
walk quite easily.
But if you're going from.
Away from the water, towardsthe water, it's much better because
the city kind of slopes downtowards the water.
Otherwise, you're, you're,you're walking uphill.
(02:27):
But so many things to see anddo there.
Where do you want to start?
You want to talk?
Food's always good, and wedon't necessarily think about Portuguese
food.
Do you have any Favoriteplaces to dine in.
I mean, my trip's probablynot, not nearly as recent as yours.
So you're, I mean, I'm goingto defer to you on the, on the where
(02:49):
to eat other than when we getto our camp.
Mrs. Where I will throw in,throw in one on that is kind of food
based.
But I was really impressedwith Portuguese food.
I thought, you know, a lot ofit were dishes I'd never tried before
very much.
You know, you can see they,they really take pride in local producers
and local products andeverywhere that, that, that we ate.
(03:13):
But, I mean, what was yourexperience with food in the capital?
There's a, there's really alot of great restaurants in Lisbon.
I'll start out with an easyone, which is that the timeout market.
So there's this 19th century,I think it was 1882 that it was open.
I don't know If I. Yeah, 1882,this market opened.
(03:34):
It's right near the river andit's served as a market since then.
It has this kind of classic,you know, vaulted ceiling, I believe,
with skylight.
And I don't know how long it'sbeen the timeout market, but they
have 26 restaurants in thereand it's kind of the perfect place
to go, especially on a firstvisit to get a little sampling of
(03:55):
Portuguese food.
So one recommendation, I mean,you go around the food stalls, say
you go there with fivefriends, everybody goes out and gets
their own thing and then youshare, right?
And you can try five differentPortuguese things.
They also have hamburgers andhot dogs and pizza and all that kind
of stuff too.
But one recommendation wouldbe this dish called pika pow, which
(04:19):
means woodpecker in Portuguese.
It's like a slang, and it'slittle pieces of beef in a garlic
sauce and you just kind ofpick away, you know, so it's the
perfect thing to kind of putin the middle and like a woodpecker,
you know, on a tree, just peckaway and peck away and peck away
and eat it.
And that's, that's kind of agood one for sharing.
(04:41):
And then they also have this,the ultimate Lisbon sweet Florida
thing, which is these pastisde nata, which are this kind of sugary,
creamy, tart, you know, flakyfilling, beautiful.
I'm not much of a sweet toothperson, but this is definitely one
of the things that you have toeat when you go to Lisbon.
(05:05):
I'm going to mention one othermarket which is the LX factory, which
is a former textile factory.
It's right under the, the bigred Bridge, the 20, I think it's
25th of 25 to April Bridge.
And you can go there to shop.
They have one of the bestbookstores that I've ever visited.
(05:29):
50,000 titles.
They've got all these sort ofsoaring staircases and this angel
riding a biking from the ceiling.
And they've got a coffee shopand a little micro bar, microbrewery
in the back.
But all through there you'llfind a lot of great restaurants.
I believe there's one calledCantina and it's kind of an elevated
(05:52):
version of Portuguese worker food.
So it'd be kind of, you know,the blue collar fair that you might
have gotten, you know, when,if you were working the, the looms
or whatever at the textile factory.
But they elevate it and, and,and that's, that's, that's also a
good place for local food.
And then I'll just mentionmaybe one more which is at the Four
(06:16):
Seasons there's a greatrestaurant called Cura.
And it is, again, it's, inthis case it's a tasting menu.
You might get seven courses,you might get 12 courses.
And it is local ingredients,you know, time honored Portuguese
methods and, but with, youknow, a Michelin recognized chef.
(06:40):
So, so Portugal, but really,really elevated.
So those would be, I meanagain Portugal's or Lisbon is a place
that you could kind of go onand on and on and talk forever about
in terms of food.
But those are just a few of my recommendations.
And one thing I will say inPortuguese food is it seems, you
know, very simple ingredientsprepared very simply in many cases.
(07:02):
We had kind of the first timetrying these kind of barbecued grilled
sardines while we were therethat we thought were fantastic when
we were in Portugal.
Tried to recreate them at homeand it was like Fear factor.
They were the worst things weever made.
And so I don't know, it seemssuper simple when you're there and
how they prepare some of thedishes, but they do such an incredible
job of it.
And yeah, we highly recommendtrying the grilled sardines while
(07:24):
you're there.
Strongly recommend not tryingto reproduce them when you get home
if you don't know what you're doing.
I was going to say probablyFear factor is the last thing thing
that you want, you know, onyour, on.
Your plate is yeah, they were mushy.
They were absolutely terrible.
We tried to recreate them, butthey were great when we were there.
So definitely recommendchecking those out in terms of where
to stay.
I, I remember a couple of.
(07:45):
Well, I know there's been afew new great hotel openings recently
in the city.
I know we've talked a lotabout some of the autograph collection
hotels by Marriott.
They're, they're often quitecool properties and they've opened
a newer one there just in thelast couple years called the Ivins.
Very centrally located, verykind of Instagrammable, well executed,
very cool looking spot on theMarriott side of things.
(08:08):
And then you know, one thingthat we made a mistake in doing when
we stayed in Lisbon is we, westayed at another Marriott property
that was quite far outside ofthe central city.
And, and as you said, it's nota walkable city necessarily.
Even though publictransportation is great, it's still,
we were spending a lot of timemoving back and forth and I think
going back I would probablylook to stay right in the heart of
(08:29):
Lake Barrio Alto if we could.
There's some really coolproperties there.
I know one called LumariusHotel and Spa that I heard from a
friend who went there recentlywho spoke very highly of that.
What are some of your favorites?
Well, I love, I mean I havetwo standout favorites which are
very, very different hotels.
One is the Four Seasons Ritz,which was actually built so Portugal
(08:56):
had this dictator namedSalazar and he bemoaned the fact
that the city didn't have aworld class like a true five star
hotel.
So he built it in the 1950s,opened in 1959 and it really has
the look of this absolutelymonumental hotel.
It sits on a, on a ridge.
It's right near one of thebiggest intersections in the city.
(09:17):
And they've, they've done somuch to keep that hotel, you know,
pretty much one of the best inthe, in the country.
It's got a huge spa.
They've done a lot ofrenovations recently.
Huge, huge, I think 16,000square meters or feet.
Huge, huge spa, indoor andoutdoor pools.
(09:37):
They put in a track on top, arunning track that even if like I
don't, I'm not a big jogger,but I would go up there and just
walk around and take in theviews of the city because the amazing
views and they have a greatart collection, one of the best private
art collections in the country.
And it celebrates Portuguese modernism.
(10:00):
And then the other one, I'mgoing to do a quick mention of the
Tivoli, which is a very nicefour or five star hotel.
Great location on AvenidaLiberdad, great rooftop bar and restaurant.
Just a quick, quick mentionfor the Tivoli because that really
is a great hotel.
And then a place that's reallyclose to my heart.
I love this Corpo Santohistorical hotel.
(10:23):
It is, it's just anindependent hotel.
It's a five star hotel.
And they have this policy oflike, it's like an all inclusive
policy.
So you have this historicalhotel, one of the, one of the most
historical neighborhoods inthe city, right.
Three steps from the river,right in the, in the old town.
(10:44):
And they have free walking tours.
So you can go on a walkingtour and they'll, they'll.
The concierge from the hotelwill take you out on a walking tour.
They have unlimited free candyin the lobby.
These huge jars of candy.
I was there with my sister'sfamily and they weren't even staying
at the hotel.
I was staying at the hotel,but they would come in and the kids
would just take handfuls ofcandy and they were just like, great.
(11:07):
Have more, have more.
Super, super friendly staff.
They even have an ice cream machine.
And this is not really like afamily, it's not a Disney or a family
hotel, but I think they'rejust like, hey, people like ice cream.
So let's have ice cream.
And they do a happy hour everyday with snacks and all of that's
free of charge.
So you get your beautiful roomin a wonderful location and you get
(11:30):
all of these other inclusionsas well.
And it is built.
They, when I did the tour,they told me they were building an
indoor pool and a spa.
And when they started digging,they, they, they, they dug up this
14th century wall.
And so they said, okay, well,we don't have a pool, guys, but we
have a wall.
And so you can go down andhave a drink or have a coffee.
(11:50):
And there is this historicwall that, that they've preserved
in the, in the lower level ofthe hotel.
So, you know, it's, it's, it'squirky and interesting and definitely
worth.
And what's it called again, Tim?
It's called Corpo SantoHistorical Hotel.
Amazing.
Well, free candy and ice cream.
(12:10):
You can't go in.
Who doesn't love free candyand ice cream?
So, yeah, one of my favorites.
All right, well, I think we'veboth got two can't misses as we close
things out on Portugal.
And my two are both food related.
And you talked a little bitearlier about the pastis de nata,
the really kind of iconiccustard tarts that, that are like
(12:34):
the national dish, I wouldsay, of Portugal.
I would say I had on average12 to 15 of those a day, every day
we were in, in Lisbon.
And if there was one kind oficonic spot, the gold standard, it
was in the.
The Belem district.
Past.
I'm probably mispronouncing it here.
Pastis the Belem, which, youknow, would lines out the door.
(12:56):
If you got there at the righttime, you could get the fresh hot
ones out of the oven.
They were sublime.
It's highly recommend seekingthat out.
So that.
That would definitely be oneof my can't misses.
The other one is kind of foodand music related.
It's a place called Casa deLinjares in the Brago Alta district
as well.
This was built in the 16th century.
(13:18):
It is one of the really kindof best known fado music venues in
the city, but also a greatrestaurant as well.
I know we have diverging viewson fado.
I like the fado.
You were not as big a fan ofthe classic fado music in Portug.
I loved it though.
And I thought this was.
If you're looking forsomewhere not just for the musical
(13:39):
experience, but also somegreat food with it in a great historic
location.
This was a great place thatbrought them both together.
How about you?
I know you said you've got twocampuses this week as well.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
And neither of them, for therecord, involve fado at all.
So.
(13:59):
So it's a, you know, I mean, Ithink people should go as a historical,
you know, cultural experience.
But I don't know, I alwaysjust felt a little depressed walking
out afterwards, but.
But it is worth it from acultural perspective.
And the food sounds good too.
My two are both day trips.
Sintra.
I can hop on a little train,go up to Sintra, and there it's a
(14:22):
palace town.
It's a UNESCO World Heritage site.
There's the Castle of theMoors that dates back to the 8th
century, back to the Moorish times.
The national palace, which isone of the best preserved medieval
palaces in the world.
And one of my favorite, if youcan have a favorite palace.
One of my favorite palaces inthe world is Pena Palace.
Pena palace, which is, youknow, built in this romance style,
(14:48):
spires and domes and all thesedifferent colors.
And it's right up there on the ridgeline.
So the views out areabsolutely incredible.
And it's just amazing place totake photos.
Amazing place to just wanderin and out of of.
Doesn't look like the otherpalaces, you know, it doesn't look
like a Habsburg palace in Vienna.
It's very, very.
It's almost like a.
(15:09):
Like an animation.
It's Almost like a, like atoy, like it's, it is, it is so much
different than any otherpalace that you've ever seen.
And then my other camp miss isit is a day trip to, to and I, I'm
going to probably mispronounce.
I mispronounce it every time.
Every time I say it to aPortuguese person they correct me.
But I'm going to say Cascaisand it might be Casch.
(15:31):
It's Casch.
And you take a train, it'sabout 45 minutes, you hop on the
train.
Right.
I was talking about Corporal Santo.
Historic hotel, train stationsright in front, two minute walk.
And this was, it's a beachtown, it's a whole separate municipality.
(15:53):
45 minutes going along thewater, going under the bridge, really
nice ride and then you getthere and yeah, once home to the
Portuguese royal family stillhas that, that aristocratic royal
feel.
And there are 17 beaches ifyou're there in the summer, bring
(16:13):
your bathing suit and towel.
17 different beaches that arekind of tucked away in the crags
with the rocks and there's anice food market there as well and
little food stalls.
It is a great way if you're alittle bit tired of the urban beat
and the hot cobblestones, youknow, get there, hop on the train,
(16:34):
easy ride from not even €3, €4probably gets you there and then
spend the day in Cascais.
So yeah, amazing.
Well that is actually one ofthe places that I'm hoping to go
later this year on an upcomingtrip so hopefully we can do a full
episode on some of what seeand do there on an upcoming show
(16:54):
as well.
But as always, well thank youfor taking the time Tim.
I know you were on a cruiseship around the world over in Europe
right now so I have very muchappreciated taking the time to record
a few episodes with us hereon, on Lisbon and looking forward
to catching up with you againnext week.
(17:16):
Absolutely, yeah.
I'm on the beautiful VikingJupiter and I am actually sailing
north of the Arctic Circle atthe moment along the coast of Norway.
So very, very interesting partof the world.
Little chilly, it's only 5degrees Celsius out today but anyway
always.
Where are you hitting this week?
What destinations are you at?
So we came from Scotland sothe ship boarded in, in London and
(17:40):
we did London and thenEdinburgh, Orkney, Shetland crossed
over to Norway and then we'vebeen, we got up as far as the North
Cape which is the really thenorthernmost part of mainland Europe.
71 degrees North Arctic Circle 66.
(18:01):
So 5 degrees north of theArctic Circle.
And now we're we're slowlymaking our way back down the Norwegian
coast, so all along the fjords.
And we are going to finish inin Bergen in Norway.
And then next week I'm goingto be in Poland because why not?
So, yeah, beautiful ship.
(18:21):
Lots of great experiences on board.
Love to just, you know, theother night I sat on my balcony and
we were going through the thisarchipelago, the Lofoten Archipelago,
and just all these beautifulvillages and churches.
And we'll have to do a wholeepisode on it.
Yeah, amazing.
Well, absolutely, we should,as you're in some of these destinations
over the next couple of weeks,try and catch you while you're there
(18:43):
and record a few live.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Looking forward to it.
David.
Sounds great.
Thanks.
J.
Sam.
So from steep hills tostreetcars, the scent of grilled
sardines, the sounds of crowdscheering on matadors.
On today's episode, we'reheading back to Portugal's capital,
looking at how this oncesleepy port town has become one of
Europe's most creative andsurprising cities.
A place from Fado.
We talked a little bit on thelast episode to futuristic waterfronts.
(00:41):
We're talking a little bitabout what's new to see and do in
Lisbon.
And yesterday we kind ofcovered off some of the main sites
in the city.
You know, kind of the why to go.
Today, we're going to get alittle bit more into the logistics
of your trip, the where tostay, where to eat, and getting around
the city.
Getting around.
I know you.
(01:01):
I mean, you touched on this alittle bit in our last episode, Tim.
But I found Lisbon, like,really accessible in terms of great
transportation around the city.
And I mean, we, I think wespent about two and a half weeks
in Portugal, rented a car fora couple of days, but vast majority
of the country, like, trainswere super easy for, for transportation
between.
Between cities and aroundLisbon itself as well.
(01:23):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I mean, it's, it is one of theeasiest cities to get around.
It's not a particularparticularly walkable city because
it is set on all these hills,but, you know, a lot of trams which
are, which are great.
I mean, I love if, if the tram.
If you can find a way for thetram to take you there, definitely
get on the tram because it'slike a little tour through the city
(01:45):
and you get to see all thesedifferent neighborhoods, but a pretty
good Metro system, pretty good buses.
And I'll say that the taxisand the Ubers, the Ubers especially,
are extremely affordable.
They're priced, I think, forthe local population.
And I remember going throughmy Visa bill, you know, after one
visit, and I was like, what isthis char charge for $2?
(02:05):
It was an Uber ride.
I got some.
I don't know how far I went,but $2, you know, anything for $2
is good.
So, yeah, very, very easy toget from A to B, and, And you can
walk quite easily.
But if you're going from.
Away from the water, towardsthe water, it's much better because
the city kind of slopes downtowards the water.
Otherwise, you're, you're,you're walking uphill.
(02:27):
But so many things to see anddo there.
Where do you want to start?
You want to talk?
Food's always good, and wedon't necessarily think about Portuguese
food.
Do you have any Favoriteplaces to dine in.
I mean, my trip's probablynot, not nearly as recent as yours.
So you're, I mean, I'm goingto defer to you on the, on the where
(02:49):
to eat other than when we getto our camp.
Mrs. Where I will throw in,throw in one on that is kind of food
based.
But I was really impressedwith Portuguese food.
I thought, you know, a lot ofit were dishes I'd never tried before
very much.
You know, you can see they,they really take pride in local producers
and local products andeverywhere that, that, that we ate.
(03:13):
But, I mean, what was yourexperience with food in the capital?
There's a, there's really alot of great restaurants in Lisbon.
I'll start out with an easyone, which is that the timeout market.
So there's this 19th century,I think it was 1882 that it was open.
I don't know If I. Yeah, 1882,this market opened.
(03:34):
It's right near the river andit's served as a market since then.
It has this kind of classic,you know, vaulted ceiling, I believe,
with skylight.
And I don't know how long it'sbeen the timeout market, but they
have 26 restaurants in thereand it's kind of the perfect place
to go, especially on a firstvisit to get a little sampling of
(03:55):
Portuguese food.
So one recommendation, I mean,you go around the food stalls, say
you go there with fivefriends, everybody goes out and gets
their own thing and then youshare, right?
And you can try five differentPortuguese things.
They also have hamburgers andhot dogs and pizza and all that kind
of stuff too.
But one recommendation wouldbe this dish called pika pow, which
(04:19):
means woodpecker in Portuguese.
It's like a slang, and it'slittle pieces of beef in a garlic
sauce and you just kind ofpick away, you know, so it's the
perfect thing to kind of putin the middle and like a woodpecker,
you know, on a tree, just peckaway and peck away and peck away
and eat it.
And that's, that's kind of agood one for sharing.
(04:41):
And then they also have this,the ultimate Lisbon sweet Florida
thing, which is these pastisde nata, which are this kind of sugary,
creamy, tart, you know, flakyfilling, beautiful.
I'm not much of a sweet toothperson, but this is definitely one
of the things that you have toeat when you go to Lisbon.
(05:05):
I'm going to mention one othermarket which is the LX factory, which
is a former textile factory.
It's right under the, the bigred Bridge, the 20, I think it's
25th of 25 to April Bridge.
And you can go there to shop.
They have one of the bestbookstores that I've ever visited.
(05:29):
50,000 titles.
They've got all these sort ofsoaring staircases and this angel
riding a biking from the ceiling.
And they've got a coffee shopand a little micro bar, microbrewery
in the back.
But all through there you'llfind a lot of great restaurants.
I believe there's one calledCantina and it's kind of an elevated
(05:52):
version of Portuguese worker food.
So it'd be kind of, you know,the blue collar fair that you might
have gotten, you know, when,if you were working the, the looms
or whatever at the textile factory.
But they elevate it and, and,and that's, that's, that's also a
good place for local food.
And then I'll just mentionmaybe one more which is at the Four
(06:16):
Seasons there's a greatrestaurant called Cura.
And it is, again, it's, inthis case it's a tasting menu.
You might get seven courses,you might get 12 courses.
And it is local ingredients,you know, time honored Portuguese
methods and, but with, youknow, a Michelin recognized chef.
(06:40):
So, so Portugal, but really,really elevated.
So those would be, I meanagain Portugal's or Lisbon is a place
that you could kind of go onand on and on and talk forever about
in terms of food.
But those are just a few of my recommendations.
And one thing I will say inPortuguese food is it seems, you
know, very simple ingredientsprepared very simply in many cases.
(07:02):
We had kind of the first timetrying these kind of barbecued grilled
sardines while we were therethat we thought were fantastic when
we were in Portugal.
Tried to recreate them at homeand it was like Fear factor.
They were the worst things weever made.
And so I don't know, it seemssuper simple when you're there and
how they prepare some of thedishes, but they do such an incredible
job of it.
And yeah, we highly recommendtrying the grilled sardines while
(07:24):
you're there.
Strongly recommend not tryingto reproduce them when you get home
if you don't know what you're doing.
I was going to say probablyFear factor is the last thing thing
that you want, you know, onyour, on.
Your plate is yeah, they were mushy.
They were absolutely terrible.
We tried to recreate them, butthey were great when we were there.
So definitely recommendchecking those out in terms of where
to stay.
I, I remember a couple of.
(07:45):
Well, I know there's been afew new great hotel openings recently
in the city.
I know we've talked a lotabout some of the autograph collection
hotels by Marriott.
They're, they're often quitecool properties and they've opened
a newer one there just in thelast couple years called the Ivins.
Very centrally located, verykind of Instagrammable, well executed,
very cool looking spot on theMarriott side of things.
(08:08):
And then you know, one thingthat we made a mistake in doing when
we stayed in Lisbon is we, westayed at another Marriott property
that was quite far outside ofthe central city.
And, and as you said, it's nota walkable city necessarily.
Even though publictransportation is great, it's still,
we were spending a lot of timemoving back and forth and I think
going back I would probablylook to stay right in the heart of
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Lake Barrio Alto if we could.
There's some really coolproperties there.
I know one called LumariusHotel and Spa that I heard from a
friend who went there recentlywho spoke very highly of that.
What are some of your favorites?
Well, I love, I mean I havetwo standout favorites which are
very, very different hotels.
One is the Four Seasons Ritz,which was actually built so Portugal
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had this dictator namedSalazar and he bemoaned the fact
that the city didn't have aworld class like a true five star
hotel.
So he built it in the 1950s,opened in 1959 and it really has
the look of this absolutelymonumental hotel.
It sits on a, on a ridge.
It's right near one of thebiggest intersections in the city.
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And they've, they've done somuch to keep that hotel, you know,
pretty much one of the best inthe, in the country.
It's got a huge spa.
They've done a lot ofrenovations recently.
Huge, huge, I think 16,000square meters or feet.
Huge, huge spa, indoor andoutdoor pools.
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They put in a track on top, arunning track that even if like I
don't, I'm not a big jogger,but I would go up there and just
walk around and take in theviews of the city because the amazing
views and they have a greatart collection, one of the best private
art collections in the country.
And it celebrates Portuguese modernism.
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And then the other one, I'mgoing to do a quick mention of the
Tivoli, which is a very nicefour or five star hotel.
Great location on AvenidaLiberdad, great rooftop bar and restaurant.
Just a quick, quick mentionfor the Tivoli because that really
is a great hotel.
And then a place that's reallyclose to my heart.
I love this Corpo Santohistorical hotel.
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It is, it's just anindependent hotel.
It's a five star hotel.
And they have this policy oflike, it's like an all inclusive
policy.
So you have this historicalhotel, one of the, one of the most
historical neighborhoods inthe city, right.
Three steps from the river,right in the, in the old town.
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And they have free walking tours.
So you can go on a walkingtour and they'll, they'll.
The concierge from the hotelwill take you out on a walking tour.
They have unlimited free candyin the lobby.
These huge jars of candy.
I was there with my sister'sfamily and they weren't even staying
at the hotel.
I was staying at the hotel,but they would come in and the kids
would just take handfuls ofcandy and they were just like, great.
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Have more, have more.
Super, super friendly staff.
They even have an ice cream machine.
And this is not really like afamily, it's not a Disney or a family
hotel, but I think they'rejust like, hey, people like ice cream.
So let's have ice cream.
And they do a happy hour everyday with snacks and all of that's
free of charge.
So you get your beautiful roomin a wonderful location and you get
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all of these other inclusionsas well.
And it is built.
They, when I did the tour,they told me they were building an
indoor pool and a spa.
And when they started digging,they, they, they, they dug up this
14th century wall.
And so they said, okay, well,we don't have a pool, guys, but we
have a wall.
And so you can go down andhave a drink or have a coffee.
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And there is this historicwall that, that they've preserved
in the, in the lower level ofthe hotel.
So, you know, it's, it's, it'squirky and interesting and definitely
worth.
And what's it called again, Tim?
It's called Corpo SantoHistorical Hotel.
Amazing.
Well, free candy and ice cream.
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You can't go in.
Who doesn't love free candyand ice cream?
So, yeah, one of my favorites.
All right, well, I think we'veboth got two can't misses as we close
things out on Portugal.
And my two are both food related.
And you talked a little bitearlier about the pastis de nata,
the really kind of iconiccustard tarts that, that are like
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the national dish, I wouldsay, of Portugal.
I would say I had on average12 to 15 of those a day, every day
we were in, in Lisbon.
And if there was one kind oficonic spot, the gold standard, it
was in the.
The Belem district.
Past.
I'm probably mispronouncing it here.
Pastis the Belem, which, youknow, would lines out the door.
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If you got there at the righttime, you could get the fresh hot
ones out of the oven.
They were sublime.
It's highly recommend seekingthat out.
So that.
That would definitely be oneof my can't misses.
The other one is kind of foodand music related.
It's a place called Casa deLinjares in the Brago Alta district
as well.
This was built in the 16th century.
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It is one of the really kindof best known fado music venues in
the city, but also a greatrestaurant as well.
I know we have diverging viewson fado.
I like the fado.
You were not as big a fan ofthe classic fado music in Portug.
I loved it though.
And I thought this was.
If you're looking forsomewhere not just for the musical
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experience, but also somegreat food with it in a great historic
location.
This was a great place thatbrought them both together.
How about you?
I know you said you've got twocampuses this week as well.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
And neither of them, for therecord, involve fado at all.
So.
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So it's a, you know, I mean, Ithink people should go as a historical,
you know, cultural experience.
But I don't know, I alwaysjust felt a little depressed walking
out afterwards, but.
But it is worth it from acultural perspective.
And the food sounds good too.
My two are both day trips.
Sintra.
I can hop on a little train,go up to Sintra, and there it's a
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palace town.
It's a UNESCO World Heritage site.
There's the Castle of theMoors that dates back to the 8th
century, back to the Moorish times.
The national palace, which isone of the best preserved medieval
palaces in the world.
And one of my favorite, if youcan have a favorite palace.
One of my favorite palaces inthe world is Pena Palace.
Pena palace, which is, youknow, built in this romance style,
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spires and domes and all thesedifferent colors.
And it's right up there on the ridgeline.
So the views out areabsolutely incredible.
And it's just amazing place totake photos.
Amazing place to just wanderin and out of of.
Doesn't look like the otherpalaces, you know, it doesn't look
like a Habsburg palace in Vienna.
It's very, very.
It's almost like a.
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Like an animation.
It's Almost like a, like atoy, like it's, it is, it is so much
different than any otherpalace that you've ever seen.
And then my other camp miss isit is a day trip to, to and I, I'm
going to probably mispronounce.
I mispronounce it every time.
Every time I say it to aPortuguese person they correct me.
But I'm going to say Cascaisand it might be Casch.
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It's Casch.
And you take a train, it'sabout 45 minutes, you hop on the
train.
Right.
I was talking about Corporal Santo.
Historic hotel, train stationsright in front, two minute walk.
And this was, it's a beachtown, it's a whole separate municipality.
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45 minutes going along thewater, going under the bridge, really
nice ride and then you getthere and yeah, once home to the
Portuguese royal family stillhas that, that aristocratic royal
feel.
And there are 17 beaches ifyou're there in the summer, bring
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your bathing suit and towel.
17 different beaches that arekind of tucked away in the crags
with the rocks and there's anice food market there as well and
little food stalls.
It is a great way if you're alittle bit tired of the urban beat
and the hot cobblestones, youknow, get there, hop on the train,
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easy ride from not even €3, €4probably gets you there and then
spend the day in Cascais.
So yeah, amazing.
Well that is actually one ofthe places that I'm hoping to go
later this year on an upcomingtrip so hopefully we can do a full
episode on some of what seeand do there on an upcoming show
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as well.
But as always, well thank youfor taking the time Tim.
I know you were on a cruiseship around the world over in Europe
right now so I have very muchappreciated taking the time to record
a few episodes with us hereon, on Lisbon and looking forward
to catching up with you againnext week.
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Absolutely, yeah.
I'm on the beautiful VikingJupiter and I am actually sailing
north of the Arctic Circle atthe moment along the coast of Norway.
So very, very interesting partof the world.
Little chilly, it's only 5degrees Celsius out today but anyway
always.
Where are you hitting this week?
What destinations are you at?
So we came from Scotland sothe ship boarded in, in London and
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we did London and thenEdinburgh, Orkney, Shetland crossed
over to Norway and then we'vebeen, we got up as far as the North
Cape which is the really thenorthernmost part of mainland Europe.
71 degrees North Arctic Circle 66.
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So 5 degrees north of theArctic Circle.
And now we're we're slowlymaking our way back down the Norwegian
coast, so all along the fjords.
And we are going to finish inin Bergen in Norway.
And then next week I'm goingto be in Poland because why not?
So, yeah, beautiful ship.
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Lots of great experiences on board.
Love to just, you know, theother night I sat on my balcony and
we were going through the thisarchipelago, the Lofoten Archipelago,
and just all these beautifulvillages and churches.
And we'll have to do a wholeepisode on it.
Yeah, amazing.
Well, absolutely, we should,as you're in some of these destinations
over the next couple of weeks,try and catch you while you're there
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and record a few live.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Looking forward to it.
David.
Sounds great.
Thanks.
J.
Sam.
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