A FATHER'S FIGHT—Robbie Parker

How one father, determined to reclaim his daughter's memory, brought down Alex Jones.On December 14, 2012, Robbie Parker's daughter Emilie was killed at Sandy Hook Elementary, a tragedy that changed Robbie's life and the country forever. By the next day, Alex Jones was on air claiming the shooting was a hoax.
So begins Parker's David and Goliath story, a tale of hope and resilience amid hatred and division. While Robbie and his family spent the next decade attempting to grieve, Jones's fans harassed them, calling them crisis actors. The hatred pushed Robbie inward, disconnecting him from the world and his family. Four years after Sandy Hook, an Infowars listener accosted Robbie three thousand miles away from Newtown, Connecticut, repeating the same lies Alex Jones had spread for years.
Soon after, seventeen students were murdered at Florida's Marjory Stonemason Douglas High School. Robbie and his wife spoke with one of the victims' parents and learned they were also being bombarded with hateful messages. He realized he could no longer avoid this terrifying reality, and with the help of Sandy Hook parents, lawyers, and supporters, Robbie stood up to Alex Jones in court to heal and reclaim his daughter's memory.
A Father's Fight is more than a memoir; it's a stirring portrait of an unbreakable human spirit. It's a testament to a father's love and perseverance in the face of insurmountable grief. A FATHER'S FIGHT: Taking on Alex Jones and Reclaiming the Truth about Sandy Hook-Robbie Parker

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
Good Evening. How one father determined to reclaim his daughter's
memory brought down Alex Jones. On December fourteenth, twenty twelve,
Robbie Parker's daughter Emily was killed at Sandy Hook Elementary,
a tragedy that changed Robbie's life and the country forever.

(01:01):
By the next day, Alex Jones was on air claiming
the shooting was a hoax. So begins Parker's David and
Goliath's story, a tale of hope and resilience amid hatred
and division. While Robbie and his family spent the next
decade attempting to grieve, Jones's fans harassed them, calling them

(01:24):
crisis actors. The hatred pushed Robbie inward, disconnecting him from
the world and his family. Four years after Sandy Hook,
an Infra War's listener accosted Robbie three thousand miles away
from Newtown, Connecticut, repeating the same lies Alex Jones had

(01:45):
spread for years. Soon after seventeen students were murdered at
Florida's Marjorie Stonemason Douglas High School, Robbie and his wife
spoke with one of the victim's parents and learned when
they were also being bombarded with hateful messages. He realized

(02:05):
he could no longer avoid this terrifying reality, and with
the help of Sandy hook parents, lawyers, and supporters, Robbie
stood up to Alex Jones in court to heal and
reclaim his daughter's memory. A father's Fight is more than
a memoir. It's a stirring portrait of an unbreakable human spirit.

(02:28):
It's a testament to a father's love and perseverance in
the face of insurmountable grief. The book that were featuring
this evening is a father's fight, taking on Alex Jones
and reclaiming the truth about Sandy Hook with my special
guest author, Robbie Parker. Welcome to the program, and thank

(02:53):
you very much for this interview.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Robbie Parker, thank you Dan for reaching out and for
having on. It's really a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well, thank you so much, and congratulations on this extraordinary book.
You say. It came out late last year. A Father's Fight.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
It came out late last year. It's obviously been a
work in progress for a while, and that's just my
own personal journey and then getting to the point where
I felt like I actually wanted to share something I'd
been writing for a long time just for my own
healing and cathartic process and just trying to understand who
I was through this brief process and what I was

(03:30):
experiencing with the conspiracy theory people and all of that.
Some very kind people were really encouraging for me to
put it more out there and to share it, and
so it finally made it into people's hands and yours,
and so here we are.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yes, thank you. Let's talk about your family's move to
a new town, Connecticut in twenty twelve, and just tell
us about your family, Alissa, Emily, Madeline, and Samantha, and
also about you write about. In spring twenty twelve, Alissa's
father qualified for the Boston Marathon and he was also

(04:07):
very helpful with remodeling your new home. So just tell
us where you were at in twenty and twelve and
your moved to Newtown, Connecticut and your professional life at
that time, and also your wife.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, no's that's a loaded question. There was a lot
happening for our family in twenty twelve, even just even
just briefly moving up towards that, like I mean a
listen and I we don't ever really remember meeting each other.
We know we met in middle school at some point,
but we started dating like after high school. And so
all this build up to twenty twelve was just this

(04:44):
culmination of us going to school, working, putting ourselves through college,
and starting a family at the same time. So it
was just really really busy. In twenty ten, I had
graduated as a physician assistant and my passion is in
the newborn intensive care unit, and so we had taken
a job in New Mexico right out of school, where

(05:06):
I got some wonderful training, and then we took this
job opportunity in Connecticut, which seemed really just bizarre and
out there for us because we grew up on the
west side of the country. I grew up in Texas
and Utah, Alyssa grew up in California and Utah, and
I went to school in the Pacific Northwest, so it
was a brand new area. Our family was small, but

(05:28):
we had like accomplished all of this stuff, right. This
was like what all that hard work was for, was
to be able to be done with school, launch into
my career. I could support this young family of ours
with our three young girls. Emily was turning six, matt
Aline was four, Samantha was three, and it was just
a really exciting time with a lot of new growth

(05:50):
and a lot of new places and new people, and
we were just happy to be there and lo and
behold too. Like you mentioned Elissa's dad, Doug, he had
qualified to run the Boston Marathon. So we moved to
Connecticut end of December twenty eleven beginning of the new
year twenty twelve, and then he came out in April,
right after we had closed out on this new house

(06:10):
that we had bought that needed a lot of updating
and a lot of work. And he was really handy.
He had helped us with some other projects on other
houses that we had owned previously, and so he came
out and was able to help us with some work.
We were just a few hours away from Boston, so
we could go and support him in the Boston Marathon.
I'm a huge Texas Ranger baseball fan. The Rangers were

(06:32):
in town that same week. So there's just a lot
of fun things happening throughout that whole year, and that's
kind of like what set us up. We were just
finally living the life that we had worked so hard
to live with the people we wanted to be with,
and we had our nuclear family that we were ready
to start kind of putting down roots and get to

(06:54):
finally experience all this stuff that we had been working towards.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
You're right though, that the disaster arrives. Five months later,
Alyssa's dad was involved in a horrible bicycling accident while
in a race and passed away.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Right, So they run the Boston Marathon in April, and
then in September. The second weekend in September, every year,
there's a bike race that starts in Logan, Utah, in
northern Utah that goes all the way to Jackson, Howayoming.
It's a one day, two hundred and ten mile race
that goes up and over three different mountain divides. And
this was going to be my father in law's tenth

(07:31):
year doing that race, or eleventh year. Alyssa and I
had participated driving cars and stuff for a few years.
This is something that he loved doing and we loved
supporting him with it, and we were actually really sad
that we weren't going to be able to be there
with him as he was going to accomplish this milestone again.
Shortly they it cressed over the first pass and he

(07:52):
was coming down, probably going somewhere between thirty five and
forty miles an hour, and somebody came alongside of him
and accident just clipped handlebars and he he hit his
head really hard. He had a pretty traumatic brain injury.
He didn't have a big, large brain bleed, but he
was suffering from a traumatic brain injury, and it really

(08:12):
just shook us up. We were on the other side
of the country at this point, and we spent the
whole next month flying back and forth from Connecticut to
Utah to support and be there. And when he got
discharged from the hospital, he was sent to this kind
of nursing and rehab center. They weren't equipped to handle
somebody in his case. He was supposed to go to

(08:33):
the VA, but they didn't have rooms, so there's this
little mix up. He was just confused and he needed
somebody with him at night, and this place couldn't do that.
So with my medical training and I had been a
nurse assistant early on in my career and stuff, and
so I actually flew out and was going to take
night shifts and be with him. One of the knights

(08:53):
that I was there, he was trying to get out
of bed. I went to get the bedside commode for him,
and then this two second time period where I just
had my back turn on for a second, he stood
up and I wasn't expecting him to be able to
do that. He stood up and he lost his balance
and I lunged for him and he fell right through
my hands. He ended up hitting his head on the

(09:15):
ground again, and from that experience with a fresh traumatic
brain injury that he was already suffering from and then
having another head injury, he ended up developing a massive
brain bleed and then he passed away just a few
days later. And so this idea of tragedy and heartbreak

(09:35):
and grief and death came to us first through Alissa's
dad in September, and he died on September twenty ninth.
That was a blow because he obviously what he meant
to all of us, he was the father figure for
me in my life. I had never felt so personally,

(09:56):
just so accepted by somebody, especially like a father figure
like that, accepted and loved the way that he brought
me into his family, And so was that was hard
to go through and experience. And then again being away
from family as we were processing all of that, that
was Yeah, my words are lost describing how that felt

(10:22):
alone by itself.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yes, And and what was interesting or interesting later in
retrospect was that the information that was in an article
in a newspaper provided a lot of misinformation. So later
when it was important to consider what would be in
a newspaper article, that misinformation became important. Let's talk about

(10:50):
Emily and her sister's relationship. But just the character of
this six year old, this precocious Emily. You talked about
this in that run up to Christmas, she had been
inspired to get a family toy box together. Just tell
us about this little initiative that indicates sort of the

(11:13):
character of Emily.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Right, No, it's a yeah, that's a great question because
it highlights so much of who she was, even as
this very talkative, very bidable, pleasant six year old girl,
constantly thinking of other people. And it was Christmas time
there was like these Christmas shows on. She got inspired
to start like a toy drive, and there was this
during our remodel process, we went to this like thrift

(11:38):
store a lot just to kind of pick up things
that we could refurbish and different stuff like that, and
she loved this store, and so she wanted to do
this toy drive so we could donate it to this
store so that she knew that other kids could get it,
and she wanted to incorporate her sisters in the project,
and that in and of itself is a just show so
much of who she was. Her sisters didn't really loved

(12:00):
the idea of giving some of their toys away or
participating that very much with it, And so to watch
her use her negotiation skills and talk to them, even
willing to bribe one of them with her own money
at one point, turned out to be a huge success.
And the box that she got and put together was
filled to the brim and for like a special bow,

(12:23):
she even put in some of her own artwork. Emily
was a like a ferocious artist. She would go through
stacks and stacks of papers and projects and stuff that
she would work on.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
And she.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Knew that giving something of herself in this made it special.
And that's just how she viewed people. That's how she
viewed the ones that she loved and people that she
didn't know. And that's just what exuded from her.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Now, what just to give us the situation where this
Sandy Hook Elementary where that Emily attended. You talk about
sandy Hook being a village, So is that tell us
the just a situation where Sandy Hook is a small
village within Newtown?

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Right? Yeah. It was kind of bizarre to us when
we moved out there because we were in an incorporated
town of Newtown, but this little car about part of
Newtown and Sandy Hook, and I don't I never really
learned the full history of how how that happened. And
I'm just assuming just before there were incorporated towns, you know,
this is this area with Sandy Hook and so, but

(13:31):
it was so quaint and so just you know what
you think about when you think of colonial Northeast United
States era, It was a place that felt like it
was back in time. The geography and the houses and
the roads, and the and the stone walls and the lush,
lush trees like it was just I mean, it was

(13:53):
a postcard, It was a it was a it was
a storybook place to live. So it was a place
that still felt I mean, we had been moving all
across the country from my schooling and different jobs and stuff,
and this was a place that finally you felt like
your neighbors had your back. And even though we were
new to the town and trying to establish things, we
hadn't really got to know a lot of people. Yet

(14:14):
it felt very homelike right away for us, and we
were starting to incorporate ourselves into this beautiful tapestry of
what Newtown and Sandy Hooker like.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
You take us to December fourteenth, twenty twelve, and you
are working and you get a disturbing voicemail that morning
from Pat Laudra, Newtown first Selectman, calling you to inform
that all Newtown public schools have been placed in lockdown

(14:51):
do to a we reported shooting at one of our schools. Now,
what do you do as a result? You call a us.
What's the conversation, like, what do you know? What do
you find out from that voicemail, tell us what happens
after that voicemail is received by you.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah. Sure, I'll even take you back to just even
that morning because that Friday was the Friday for the box.
So waking up in the house that morning, there was
just a ton of excitement because that was going to
kick off the Christmas break. I was going to be
working a twenty four hour shift, so I wasn't going
to be able to participate in this. But the plan
was that for school that day, the girls were going

(15:34):
to take the box. They were going to take it
to the donation center. They were going to start doing
all of our start our Christmas traditions and stuff like that.
So there was just in our house that morning, just
a lot of excitement and a lot of love. As
I was getting ready to leave, and everybody was in
Samantha's room, my youngest, because she was the last person

(15:56):
to donate things, so that's where the box was. Everybody
was in there, just excited, and that's where I went
and gave everybody hugs and kisses and was saying goodbye
to them and noticed the box off to the corner,
just kind of pushed up against the wall underneath the
window seals. So that was the feeling that I had
leaving the house this morning. That morning, as I was
starting to go to work, going through my normal work stuff,

(16:19):
rounding on patients, getting ready to do our rounds, talking
to parents who had babies in the nick you and
I get that voicemail that you're talking about because we
had just started rounds, and so I dismissed the phone call.
Then in between patients listening to that, and then Alyssa's
phone call coming to me directly, and she's nervous and

(16:40):
she's scared, And unfortunately I met Alyssa in that moment
in like my work brain. You know, working in the
NICKU has a lot of challenges. It can be very
high stress. A big part of my job is remaining
hopeful and calm and handling stressful situations as you would

(17:04):
with patients, in these situations that I find myself in.
And I mean I mentioned this and I talk about
it because I just I didn't meet alissas as like
a loving husband right then. I met her with kind
of like my work brain and trying to convince her,
but not convince her, but just let's just be calm,

(17:26):
let's be patient, let's think about this, let's not jump
to conclusions, you know. And she was scared, and she
was kind of able to snap me out of my
work brain. And when she was like, because I was like,
these shootings don't happen at an elementary school. It's got
to be at the high school. You know, we don't
know what's going on. Don't drive to the school, whatever

(17:46):
you do like that kind of stuff, she just kind
of was done hearing me talk for a little bit
like that, and she just said, Robbie, if it was
at the elementary school, Emily's room is in that front hallway.
If it was there, she would be in real danger.
I need to know and I need to do something.
And so that's kind of how our process started. And

(18:10):
so she was with Samantha doing some Christmas shopping. She
had dropped Madaline off at preschool. I was at work,
So we just started trying to find out information and communicate,
and very quickly Alysa ended up going and getting Maddline
from preschool. She went to the elementary school, and I
unfortunately was stuck at the hospital because the hospital had

(18:32):
gone into lockdown for as they do for a community disaster,
so nobody's allowed in or out. As reports were starting
to kind of come through, and we did learn that
there were children that were wounded and taken to the hospital.
I stayed for a little longer to see if what
I could find out because at that point Alyssa hadn't
been reunited with Emily and had Emily been hurt and

(18:55):
taken in the hospital, and I was where she needed
to be. So this is just kind of where our
mind's that's where. And as the minutes passed and as
the hours passed. During this time, just the stress and
the tension of not knowing was just building and building
and building, and there wasn't anything you could do except
for just wait and wait and wait.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
You're right that there's a conference room set up and
for people waiting, and you say, waiting and waiting for
an update from state police. But it is confirmed that
twenty children had been killed. So there was no more details,
no more names. So everyone is sitting around a bunch
of different people, first responders and then people that are

(19:42):
inquiring about their children. But people are waiting there for
hours with no updates. Tell us about that wait for
information exactly.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, Yeah, So like, eventually I was able to leave
the hospital and I made it to the the schools
located down the street from the school, on the corner
was this firehouse, and in the firehouse was this conference room.
So they started. I can't even describe the scene there.
It was so chaotic and none of that made sense, right,

(20:15):
I mean, nothing about this, it's logical, nothing about this
as something that you'd ever encountered before. I didn't even
notice that there was TV cameras and crews and this
podium of microphone set up. And when you think about it,
when you do look into what happened in the school
and the shooting, the first victims were the principal and
some of the leaders of the school. So immediately the

(20:36):
whole the chain of command was taken out. And so
it makes so much sense why there it was so
much chaos. There wasn't somebody in charge and leading from
the very first moments of that whole ordeal. And so
it had been hours and finally they decided, if you
still hadn't encountered your child, you still haven't been reunited,

(20:57):
then we're going to put bringing you over to this
conference room. And that's where do unification processes, and that's
kind of what we were told. So Alissa was in there.
I finally make it into that room, and when I
walked into the room, emotionally, it was like just running
into a brick wall. I mean it was it was hot,
and there it was thick. And Alissa sees me, and

(21:20):
I go over to her, and you could just I
could just feel her her angst and her worry and
her love and her concern just pouring out of her.
And she had been holding all that in so much.
She had been watching the girls. Luckily, she had found
a neighbor to take the girls home that lived next

(21:40):
to us. And that was the feeling in the room.
Everybody now knew right before I got there is what
you talked about. A state police spokesperson came in and
said that they were able to confirm that twenty children
had died, but they weren't going to release any more
information or details because they hadnt accounted for all the
children in the school yet, and that he would be
back in an hour with another update, and then he

(22:04):
just left it like that, like the absolute worst cliffhanger ever.
And so we don't know if our child is one
of the twenty that are dead, or one of the
children that hadn't been accounted for that could be hiding somewhere.
And so this idea of hope, and I had never
thought in my entire life before of the emotion and

(22:27):
the idea of hope being a dangerous thing, started away
heavy on us. And again as the minutes ticked away,
and they would come back in an hour and say,
we have nothing to update you on. We'll be back
in an hour, and they do that a number of times.
It that tension and that thickness just it's really hard

(22:47):
to know what to do with that.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Jesus has an opportunity to stop to hear these messages.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Now to you.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
It's a very vivid scene in this book. Governor Danel
molloy enters the conference room. You write that it's packed
with first responders, social workers and clergy and lots of nuns,
and somebody, a mother interrupts his speech and says, so

(23:18):
are you trying to tell us that all of our
kids are dead? And the governor is stunned, but he
says yes. And then your wife Melissa spoke up, what
about the children that went to the hospital, what is
their status? And what did he have to say? What
was his response?

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Yeah, I've spent a lot of time processing Governor Malloy's response.
Obviously isn't an impossible situation, but it was as if
nobody updated him that we had not been updated, And
the fact that the governor was there talking to us
was just really confusing. I didn't understand what the point
of that was, Like, what did he have to why
was he even here, And so as he's trying to

(24:01):
just fumble his way through it, ye had this this mom,
who I grew later to love for her directness, kind
of just called them out on that and just like
give it to us, tell us that if our kids
are dead. And when he confirmed that, that flicker of
hope that we had all been kind of huddled around
and just trying to keep this little flame ali have

(24:22):
just expired and just left this but used to be
so much emotion and so much tension and now just
felt like a vacuum. When Alyssa asked about the children
that had been taking in the hospital because that there
that was the last shot up hope available, he said
that those children had also expired, and then it was

(24:47):
like just smoke from like a blown out candle, just
like the flame was gone and there was nothing left
to hold on to. And that that was how the
news was bird to all of the families and for
everybody else that was in there.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, and you write that you and your wife saw
a back door to the conference room and you ran out.
You just wanted to go home. Your wife, Alyssa, said
there's nothing here for us, and so you went home
and then became that living nightmare from that day on.
Your church, your church leadership, you write, was immediately comforting

(25:33):
and came to the home and alleviated you both of
the funeral arrangements for Emily. So right away you had
the support of the church in that community and understanding,
understanding better than anyone the processes that you needed to
go through after this, the confirmation of the death of

(25:56):
your daughter.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
What wonderful people that we did have on our corner.
Like I said, we hadn't been there very long, so
the church that we had been attending, those were people
that we knew, and they stepped up and they were
there immediately. Just so grateful for them and that role,
because I mean, you can't think, you can't make decisions,

(26:19):
you can't do anything and so, and there was a
lot that needed to be done. You know, we weren't
going to bury Emily in Connecticut where there was no family,
there was no history of us being there really, and
so planning a funeral that was going to take place
in Utah, how to they even go about that? We
had other family coming into town and they were able

(26:39):
just to take so much off of our shoulders in
those first few hours and days, and will be tremendously
grateful and loved those people for how they stepped up
in those moments, and as the years went on, showed
me exactly ways in which I can help other people
in unimaginable citys. You know, people always ask you in

(27:02):
those scenarios like what do you need? What can I
do to help you? And you don't even know what
that is? And it being asked that question over time
starts to kind of become a burden because it's not
like I was being prideful and wanted to do everything
on my own, but it's just you don't know and
you don't know what to ask for. You don't know
what your needs are, You don't know who you are

(27:24):
as a person, You don't know who you are as
a father, you don't know anything about yourself anymore. Nothing
in your life makes sense, and so to have people
that could come in and alleviate some of that stuff
for us was amazing. And being able to then now
and years later be able to pay that for it
in other situations for other people is great.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
You were inundated with requests from media for interviews. At
some point, you have an idea that you think that
will stop the media from pestering you. So what is
the idea that you expressed to your family? What's their
response to your idea? And tell us about this idea?

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Right, So it was you know, this is happening to us,
and then we knew that there was other families involved.
But this is so insular. There is no comprehension of
what's going on in the outside world other than trying
to get like our parents into town or family and
stuff like that. The media presence that was growing in town.
I was the only way I even knew about it

(28:29):
was one of our church leaders just warned us it
would be best if we probably didn't go out into
town because of how much media was out there. But
you know how this was in the early years of
social media. So as friends and family were starting to
post things on sites like Facebook and Twitter and stuff
like that about losing Emily and their memories of Emily

(28:50):
and who Emily was. And we had friends that started
this Facebook page, a memorial page for Emily because their thought,
their brilliant idea was they just wanted to a little
bit of money to help cover the cost of transporting
Emily's body back to Utah. Right, So as these breadcrumbs
were starting to be laid out online, then media was
able to kind of triangulate who I was, and who

(29:12):
our family was and where we were. So even that
first night of the shooting Friday night, I started getting
phone calls from reporters. Saturday morning, started to have reporters
come to our door, starting to bring our phones, and
it was so invasive because again, like we're just faced
with trying to figure something out that we had no
idea what to do where our hearts are broken, and

(29:35):
to be pestered like this was awful. And like you
mentioned the experience that we had with the Lyssa's dad,
I mean, there was this little article that was written
in our local newspaper in northern Utah, right, and they
didn't get some of the facts right, which led to
some assumptions and online comments. We were saying things about
my father in law that were really hurtful. And so

(29:56):
I'm sitting there looking at all of this, looking at
this family that I feel like I failed to protect
and that I need to protect, and needing to do something,
because like this was just it was very obvious it
wasn't going to go away, and so what I wanted
to do was I wanted to try and get ahead
of it. And I didn't want anybody because as we

(30:18):
stayed silent and I wasn't talking to the media, they
were reaching out to, you know, the next level of
family and then further family and then friends, and eventually
somebody was going to say something, right, and I didn't
want to see anybody to say something about Emily that
was going to get out there and be erroneous and hurtful,
And so I thought the best thing would be for

(30:40):
me to make a statement, something that came from our parents,
to make a statement about who Emily was and what
we were going through. And really all I wanted to
do was just communicate that to the people that cared
about us, you know, most of our family was back
in Utah out on the west coast, just kind of
tell them that we were okay. So I set up
this what I wanted to be this recorded statement. I

(31:04):
only contacted one news outlet and let them know that
they could meet me at the church at this time,
that I would provide the statement, they could record it,
and I actually just wanted them just to send that
back to Utah and they could play it there because
that's where I thought the only people that cared about
anything that I'd have to say lived in Utah. That
was the idea, and my thought was if we throw

(31:26):
the media bone, they'll go and chew on that for
a while and they can leave us alone. That was
what the plan was. And I'm sure your follow up
question will be along the lines of how well that
worked out for us.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
But what you did include in there worked with very
very interesting and I think would be interesting to very
many people, was that you had made a statement about
the shooter's family and what they must be going through,
and that you had some empathy for the shooters family
at this time.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah, I mean, we put a lot of thought into
what we even wanted to include in that statement, and
that was one thing. Like Alyssa and I sat there
even in the firehouse, and we said, could you imagine
if this is one of your kids that did this,
Like I can't imagine. Like we knew nothing about the
shooter or their family or what the situation was, but

(32:24):
just being a parent and thinking about what was going on,
and there was some compassion just for another parent, Like
we knew what we were dealing with, but we kind
of immediately recognized that there was another side of this
story as well. So that was just something that was
on our minds. And you know, I know this is
going to sound cliche, but that's also I was giving

(32:47):
this statement and I included it in the statement because
that is also how Emily viewed people and what she
thought about people. So it encompassed who she was as
a person too, that thoughtfulness and just compact for people
where they're at in life at that moment in time.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Let's Jesus has an opportunity to stop to hear these messages.
Now as a result of the press conference that you
put forth that you organized, and you say that your relatives,
your family members thought that you did real well. Your
brother congratulated you, but the back to the memorial page.

(33:28):
You looked at the memorial page and saw some disgusting,
deplorable comments. The next day, tell us what happened from
this event of hope that you thought might make a change.
Tell us about some of the comments and the fire
that was ignited.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Right, So, my beautiful idea of throwing the media bone
just showed my ignorance and how the media actually worked. Somehow,
the one reporter that we had set up to do
the the recording with blossomed into every reporter, it seemed like.
So when I came out to give the statement, I

(34:11):
was expecting to just talk to one person, but instead,
by that time, it was dark, and I came outside
of the church and there's all these floodlights, and I
could tell that there was lots of people there. There
had been this podium that had been set up, and
I had no idea that this was being recorded live.
I had no idea that it was being broadcast on

(34:33):
every station that you can think of. I didn't know
any of that, and so I gave the statement and
did what I needed to do. And so I was
very unaware of the reach that that statement had and
who was watching, and so they're on that Facebook page
that you talked about that in the short amount of

(34:55):
time that they my friends, had created it. I'd gone
on after they had told me about it. I was
surprised to feel some solace when I had gone on
there before, because these were people who knew our family,
they had known Emily. They were sharing stories about Emily,
a lot of which I had never heard because these
were one on one interaction with that Emily had with
these people. So as a place where I could just

(35:17):
feel some love and feel some solace. Immediately, as you
talked about some people that had been watching the press
conference that prescribed to these conspiratorial thoughts and notions and
listen to people who can invent a different narrative from reality,

(35:38):
they had also been watching and they had also found
the Facebook page, and they were inundating Emily's a memorial
page for a six year old loving girl, with threats
and harassment and saying awful things you know about me
as a person, about Emily, and just vile, vile, vile,
evil stuff. And that really shook me again because this

(36:02):
is a place where I had gone to before that
was that was beautiful and full of love, and now
it was mixed with just the most evil things I'd
ever really come across being shared from one person or
another like that.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
You're right that previous to this, you were not aware
of Alex Jones, and then you saw that Alex Jones
on this Info Wars broadcast was saying that, and others
were commenting the followers were saying that the shooting was
all fake. They said that you were a crisis actor

(36:37):
getting into character and you were playing a role in
cahoots with government to stage this fake shooting. How shocking
were those statements to you?

Speaker 3 (36:50):
So the things that were really mean and really you know,
all the all the like the you and your fucking
daughter bitch, like all that kind of stuff, Those things
were shocking because I don't understand why you would talk
to anybody that's grieving in that way.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Right.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
The conspiracy stuff took some time to make sense. It
was just really bizarre and really confusing. You know. It
wasn't like I knew that there was people out there
that denied nine to eleven, thought nine to eleven was
an inside job. I grew up in the nineties and
for a while was even convinced that Kurt Cobaine didn't
commit suicide but was actually killed by Courtney Love. You know,
like it's not like I wasn't aware of conspiracy things,

(37:30):
but the way they were talking just didn't make any sense.
Like calling me a crisis actor that I mean, that
sounds like I'm in an improv group or something, you know.
But over time you start to learn that crisis actor
is this code word for somebody that is part of
the cabal or whatever term they have, all these terms

(37:50):
that they use for it. It's a code word that
says you were in cahoots with the government and at
that time and age the Obama administration because you want
to make away our guns. Like that's really what it means. Yeah,
I had no idea who Alex Jones was. People were
linking videos to Alex Jones's website and clips of Alex
Jones on air. I had no idea who this guy was.

(38:12):
Things that he was saying, in the way he was
saying it just just made me think that it wasn't hurtful,
but it scared me because at that moment, I wo
now was fully aware of what one person was capable
of doing to another person. This guy from our own community,
this loving Sandy Hook community, walked into the elementary school

(38:34):
and accomplished what he set out to accomplish, which was
to do as much harm and kill as many people
as possible, including Emily. But he had no idea who
I was. He had no idea who Emily was. And
so these people now I know exist and what they
are capable of. And now I have people that have
expressed their hatred towards me for what they think that

(38:56):
I'm a part of, and they obviously know how to
reach me. And just like I had been getting phone
calls and stuff from media people, now that still continued
because the media never went away like I thought they
were going to. But now also on top of that,
conspiracy people reaching out either online, on the phone, on

(39:17):
my own personal email, like they were finding me. And
so the threat of what they who they were, and
what they were was very very real.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
What did you do in response to the Facebook pages
and the other social media what did you attempt to
do to try to get them to stop proliferation of
these messages and these comments.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
I mean, initially you think logic might work. My friends
that had set up the page, they allowed some other
friends to be administrators and they were just on there
trying to just clean the page up. Whenever something would
come up, they would, you know, they would report the comment,
they would delete it. I told people not to engage there.
There was a few people that try to engage with them,
and it turned into this like battleground and it was

(40:05):
really ugly and that definitely was not who Emily was.
Emily was not contentious. Emily was not somebody who would
bicker and argue, and so that was totally taking away
from everything. And so at first we just tried to
just engage in a way that we felt like was safe,
that wouldn't put fuel on the fire. But it became

(40:25):
so hard, and even I was spending a tremendous amount
of time that I really shouldn't have been spending. I
needed to be supporting my wife and my kids, and
I was spending time on this Facebook page trying to
defend Emily, who I felt like I had failed and
get this filth off of there, and eventually we just
needed to take the page down, and so we just

(40:46):
removed the page from Facebook for a long period of time.
And even then, my thought was, you know, these conspiracy people,
you know, they're just this is the hot thing right now.
Eventually they're going to move on and go start looking
for Bigfoot again. That was one thing that actually told
my friend Brad, who was one of the people that
started a Facebook page. And again just my ignorance of

(41:08):
just the age that we were coming into between this
crossroads of media, social media, proliferation of disinformation, all of
that was very brand new, and Sandy Hook was just
an ignition point for all of these places to come
in collide with each other.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
You write about your family's plan to focus on your
grief and to deal with the grief of losing your daughter.
Your wife had a blog that she was encouraged to
go public with it and it dealt with her dealing
with grief. You have alluded that you felt guilty for

(41:52):
not protecting your family in the first place somehow from
this school shooter. But now with the assault coming from
Alex Jones and his supporters at Info War, you again
felt this guilt and this need to protect your family.
In terms of dealing with your own grief and protecting

(42:13):
your family. What did your wife do to deal with
grief and what, unfortunately did how did you deal with
your grief?

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah, so we're living this really fragmented life where on
one hand, we had a very clear understanding and we
were getting help from wonderful people right away, And it
became obvious that our first concern was how do we
approach this in a way that's going to be the
best outcome for our girls. And what we learned was,

(42:45):
you know, the girls are going to mimic how you
guys handle grief, right, so they're going to look to
you to be the examples of how to process this
in a very healthy way. So that became our first
priority was we are going to learn and focus on
what healthy grief means and what that looks like for us.
And so, but like you said, I mean, at the

(43:07):
same time, I'm dealing with all those things that are
accompanied from that. I felt like I failed Emily as
a father. Elyssa felt like she failed Emily as a mother.
Like he made promises to our kids that we would
always protect them, that we wouldn't ever let anything bad
happen to them, and that now was shown that we
were incapable of really being able to fulfill that promise,

(43:29):
and so you carry a lot of guilt and shame
for doing that, even though you know there wasn't anything
you could really do or do anything wrong. But I'm
looking at my girls and I know that I can't
make that same promise to them. And so when you
have conspiracy people like I said, who are a real threat,
and that's no joke. And the letters that got sent

(43:49):
to my home and the phone calls and voice messages
that were left on my phone prove exactly that they
not only are they capable of doing something, they wanted
to do something if they ever had an opportunity to.
And so I'm split in this now. I'm doubling down
on wanting to be this father that protects his family

(44:10):
and try and grieve. And I learned painfully that those
two things at that point in my life couldn't exist
in the same place at the same time. If I
could focus on grief, I could set time around and
I could go to my counseling and I could help
with issues that were coming up at home, and I
could learn good ways and bad ways about what healthy

(44:31):
grief was and just learn those processes. But then I
would have to shift gears and focus on conspiracy theory
people and what was going on, what was being said,
where were they, And that was just so debilitating to
try and keep that up for a long period of time,
and it leaves you constantly feeling like you're not doing enough.

(44:54):
And growing up, I grew up in a very high
demand religion that constantly always makes you feel like you're
not good enough and you're not doing enough, and so
it was kind of just wired into me as a
young child to feel this way. And you just keep
plowing through, and you just keep plowing through, and your
tank gets empty and you're burning through your own personal

(45:16):
resources and you are just totally unaware that that you're
just burning out and that it's having severe negative impacts
on your emotional, mental, physical help, your relationships with your
family and with your kids, and that there wasn't any
other way that I knew how to go about it.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Let's Jesus as an opportunity to stop to hear these messages. Now,
what do you find out? You say, you watched a
program with Piers Morgan and interviewing Alex Jones, and you
realize that this what he was ranting about was the
Second Amendment and people's gun rights, and he was appealing

(45:57):
to their sense that they're coming for your guns coming
from your guns. This is a false flag event. No
one got shot at this school. The FBI claims that
there was no shooting. So these followers blindly believe Alex
Jones that all of it is a false flag, a

(46:18):
shooting that never occurred. To your horror, after this shooting
in Newtown, the shootings don't go away. The shootings persist.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Don't they exactly? And that became clear. I talk about
it kind of like the worst fraternity that you could
be initiated into. So right after our shooting, it was
surprising that all these other shootings that you heard about,
these communities were reaching out places like Virginia Tech and Aurora, Colorado,
and in August of twenty twelve there was a shooting

(46:52):
in Wisconsin at a Sikh temple. These people and these
families were reaching out to us in solidarity and to
provide their hindsight things that we needed to look out for.
And then so you get made part of this community
again you'd only ever read about before, and now now

(47:12):
you're receiving this intuition that they were providing us. There
were things that they were warning us about what was
going to happen. They had experienced in their own version
of these things, and so and also people raising money
for nefarious purposes, like the United Way and stuff like that.
They're really big on warning us against letting the United

(47:32):
Way get involved. And it was already too late that
the United Way had already raised tens of millions of
dollars that they just wanted to keep. And so, so
that that adds another layer of something that you have
to deal with and something that you have to focus
on to protect because I did not want to be revictimized.
And then you see the Boston bombing the next year
at the marathon, and then you see other shootings start

(47:55):
to take place, and you start to see the repetitive
patterns that come along with these, and I get so
irritated when these events happened. And you hear somebody say,
you know, there's no playbook for this, and there absolutely
has been a playbook written and nobody wants to look
at it. So again, every one of these things just

(48:19):
adds another layer on top of you, on top of
you with something that's just weighing you down. They feel
like you either have to fight or that you have
to deal with or you have to problem solve and
at the end of the day, all I really really
wanted to do was just grieve. I just I missed
my daughter so much, and I didn't even have time
to really focus on what I was feeling about her
loss or seeing my girls and what it was that

(48:39):
they were actually really going through. I was trying my
best to do it, and then again just felt like
I was failing all the time. I just felt like
I was failing.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
You say that your attempt to deal with your grief
made you more and more insular and altered your character
and your behavior to something that you didn't really recognize.
Even at one point you got word that some of
the Sandy Hook families had filed the lawsuit against Alex

(49:10):
Jones and Info Wars, and they had asked you if
you wanted to join tell us about that conversation and
that contemplation that you might join in such a.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Thing, right, I mean, so years and years go by
with this, and yeah, in that timeframe, I became very isolated,
very self terron and developed severe social anxiety. You know,
my wife's grief process was heard juggling her own emotions,
looking out for the kids and looking out for me,
and I didn't even realize that was part of her

(49:44):
how I was interrupting her grief process. And so it's
all concluded, and so I get contacted. So there was
two lawsuits some families. There were two families that sued
Alex Jones in Texas and then there was a group
of families that sued him in Connecticut. So I was
first approached by one of the families that sued him
in Texas asking if I wanted to join them because

(50:06):
of that press conference. I didn't know it at the time,
but I was the first person that spoke out. So
I kind of became for a short period of time
like the face of Sandy Hook and so and that's
what the conspiracy people really like, lashed onto and I became.
So I became their target when conspiracy people talk about

(50:27):
they and you know that I all of that became
me and I became the one person that they could
zone in on. And I'm not taking anything away from
other Sandy Hook families. That was just and what they
went through. I'm not trying to you know, we're not
making comparisons there, but it was just the order of
events just made it that my name, in my face

(50:49):
was recognizable amongst the conspiracy people in a different way.
I had no intention of wanting to join the lawsuit.
I didn't I had spent years and years and years
trying to protect my family by by growing more and
more isolated. I didn't want to put myself out there.
I didn't want to give them more fuel. I definitely
didn't want to confirm any of the things that they
were saying that the government had paid us to do this,

(51:11):
And so then if I started suing somebody, I didn't
want them to have AMMO that I was trying to
make money off of my daughter's death. So it wasn't
like we didn't think about it, wasn't like I didn't
want to support the families. My wife and I thought
about it long heard, and we just decided that was
just not the direction we wanted to go. And then
a few months later the lawsuit in Connecticut got filed,

(51:32):
and we had a group of families that we had
done a lot of work together when we lived in
Newtown before we moved away, and one of the families
that we really trusted and really had become really good
friends with, the Pinto family. They're both lawyers, the mom
and dad are lawyers. They looked through the lawsuit and
saw that my name was all over in this thing,

(51:56):
that a lot of the evidence that they were using
for the claims that they were making had to do
with me, because Alex Jones would put my face on
his show, he would say my name. So she advised
us to look at it again from a different angle
and consider joining the lawsuit because she was like, you know,
your name is all over this thing, so you're going

(52:17):
to be involved, whether you want to be or not,
and you could get subpoenaed to testify at the hearing,
not just by the Sandy Hook lawyers like Families lawyers,
but by Alex Jones's lawyer as well. And so that
was the first time where it, I don't even want
to say it dawn on me because it wasn't like

(52:37):
a strong thing, but where the notion of using my
voice came to me because I'd use my voice at
the press conference and I got slammed because of it
and just eviscerated because of it. So the idea of
me using my voice again wasn't something I was interested in,
but she reframed it in a way that made me

(52:58):
start to think that this might be a possibility for us,
and eventually led us to join the lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Another thing that swung your decision, I think, as you
write that, there was another shooting victim from another school
shooting that encountered the same kind of super disturbing confrontation
that you had yourself, and you said, basically you didn't
want people to keep experiencing these same sorts of things,

(53:29):
and so I think it added to your desire to
stop this and to get aboard this lawsuit and confront
your demons.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
And Alex Jones absolutely yeah, I mean that was not
an easy decision to make. It took me a long
time still. I mean that conversation I think happened in
May with the Sandy Hook mom, and then I didn't
join the lawsuit for a few more months. There was
a lot of things that had to come into place,
but one of the big catalysts is what you're talking about,
and that was we had this weird series of events

(54:03):
where the Parkland High School shooting that was on February fourteenth,
I was on Valentine's Day of twenty and eighteen. I
believe we somehow had somebody that we knew knew one
of the families that had been impacted by that, and
so had made a connection, and we had just offered, like,

(54:23):
if you if you ever wanted a talk, we're more
than willing to talk with you. And so, in a
conversation that we had months later after the shooting, that
got brought up, they were talking about the conspiracy people
and what they were dealing with, and how the father
had a very similar story to mine, that he had
given a statement to the press and that he was

(54:47):
attacked because of it. You know, at that point, I
was five and a half years down the road, and
so I had developed some space and some hindsight, and
I knew that now I could articulate their grief as
being stolen from them. And when I talk about these
people being evil, and Alex Jones being evil for what
he did, because he pounced the moment that the shooting

(55:11):
happened in Sandy Hook to start attacking and sewing doubt
and attacking families, and in doing so, he robbed us
of our ability to grieve. I now look at grief
as as scary as it was, and as much as
I hated it in the beginning, grief is a very
sacred process. That has so much to offer and so
much to teach you, and to rob somebody of that

(55:33):
process is very evil act, in my opinion, And I
saw that replaying in this family, and what that family
did for me was basically just hold a mirror up
to my own experience so that I could see it
because I was so close to it in my own head,
and I could see that that's what was happening to them,

(55:53):
and I knew that they had no energy. I knew
that they had just at least had a sense of
what it was that they were going through because I
had been there. And so for me to be able
to have this opportunity to say, like I could step
in and do something, yes for me and my family,
but also potentially for that family and hopefully for families
in the future, and that's a very altruistic way to

(56:15):
look at it. Ultimately, I had to do it for myself,
but those kinds of experiences really were catalysts that got
me around to join in the lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
For sure, you're right about the court case itself. And
Clint Watts, a former FBI agent turned investigative consultant, broke
down Jones tactics and also the following of the money,
he denied that there was any kind of motivation. But
this Chris Watts broke or Clint Watts broke everything down

(56:46):
in terms of the guy's greed, motivation and knowing he
was lying, and yet continued to incite his followers into
the kinds of threats and the kinds of the kinds
of threats that they issued to victim's families and the
disgusting nature of the accusations that Jones leveled against the

(57:09):
victim's families.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Yeah, I was the court process, like just litigating this
thing for four years before we even made it to court.
You know, it's just it's not worth writing a whole
lot about. But it's just infuriating, just learning, just being
exposed more and more to Alex Jones and who he
is as a person and what he's willing to go,
the extents of which he's willing to go to to
avoid accountability or just horrendous. And then you get into

(57:37):
the court setting and I thought, I I talk a
lot about how just ignorant, naive I wasn't a lot
of things, and this is another example of that. I
went into the court proceedings just figuring that I knew
everything about what was what had been happening, and what
was going on. And there were moments during the court
during the trial hearing testimonies mainly from family members and

(58:01):
getting to know them better that was very eye opening
to me. But Clint watts testimony just blew me away.
The dots that he was able to connect, the timeline
that he was able to construct, because again I was
experiencing this in these weird fragments and through the lens
of PTSD and trauma and grief, he was able to

(58:22):
articulate so clearly the series of events. How minutes after
the shooting, he was already I was still sitting in
the firehouse waiting for a policeman to come and give
us an update, and he was already telling his viewers
that this was a false flag event and that the
government was lying, that the government had staged this, And

(58:42):
that was before I even had confirmation that Emily had died.
After my press conference, Clint Watts learned through his investigative
skills and what he was able to obtain from info
Wars was there was a meeting immediately after my press
conference that info Wars had where they had a brainstorming
session about how they were going to be able to

(59:03):
use this press conference to their advantage. And I had
carried so much shame and guilt for that press conference
because I thought that me doing what I did, in
what I considered mistakes that I had made in that
press conference was what caused the conspiracy people to come
after us. So there was a catharticness in realizing that

(59:26):
I could kind of rid myself of that because it
didn't matter what I said or what I did, they
were going to use it to their advantage anyway. But
it was also very disturbing to see all this laid
out because then I realized that even more so, that
Alex Jones isn't just this crazy guy out there, and
these conspiracy people are just these like lunatics, right that

(59:48):
just kind of just go off of chance or whatever,
Like it feels safer to put them in this orbit
that is far enough away from you that you can
just say that they're crazy and they they live out
there in this other world and I'm over here in
this safe place. And that's a really big mistake for
us to do as individuals and as a society, because

(01:00:08):
they showed how calculating they are, how deliberate they are,
and they sent to what they're able to go to
to accomplish their goals, and so there wasn't any chance
about it. This was calculated, it was planned, and they
were in pursuit of doing something very specific, and they
were accomplishing that until somebody could stand up and try

(01:00:30):
and put a stop to it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
You're right about the talented lawyers at the at this lawsuit,
Josh Koshkoff, Chris Mattey, alanor Sterling, and Matthew Blumenthal, And
you talk about the despicable narrative that was spewed by
Norman Pattis, the defense lawyer. You gave him the benefit

(01:00:54):
of the doubt that he would just protect his client,
but then he continued with the defamin to statements and
narrative of Alex Jones. So you lost all respect fro
him in that regard. The settlement from the judge and
the denouncement, the very dramatic denouncement from the judge is

(01:01:15):
indicative of quite a bit. So tell us about the
settlement what it was. You might that it's unlikely that
anybody would see any of this incredible sums of money However,
it is satisfying to realize that Alex jones empire, the
empire that he built on lies, would be destroyed.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
So there was a it was a jury trial. The
weird thing about what ended up happening was the judges
in Texas and Connecticut both found Jones in default, meaning
he he was such an awful player. He never complied
with any core orders to turn over documents, anything that
was relevant. He just played these games to the point

(01:01:58):
where it was so atrocious that the judges were like,
your behavior just proves that you're guilty, and default is
the death sentence of things. Judges hate to do that.
They want a chance for there to be a trial,
They want a chance for all the facts to come out.
But because of his behavior and the way that he
was going about things, they said, your behavior is proof

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enough that the claims against you are valid and true,
and so you're guilty of defamation. You're guilty of the
emotional harm that you caused these families. And so the
trial was focused on compensatory damages. And so the point
of the trial at that point, we didn't have to
prove it he was guilty. We just had to prove

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the extent of the harm that he caused. So for
the jury, and I didn't get to write about this
a whole lot in the book, the amount of respect
that I gained for the jury members for what they
had to go through to sit there for weeks on end,
to listen to arguments from Norm Pattis and and what
Jones was saying even in the courtroom hear about all

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these awful things that he was doing, and what we
went through the jury. I just have a tremendous amount
of member of respect for the members of the jury
and what they had to put themselves through, and in
their verdict was just a confirmation of what we already
knew that Jones and his followers are dangerous people. They

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they the harm that they inflict in the impact that
it has on people's individual lives and on society as
a whole, are very real. And their verdict of nine
hundred and sixty five million dollars in compensatory damages to
the families was the only way our system has to
say that. And so they did a very admirable job

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of painting that picture of this is exactly what this
man does in the harm that he causes, and what
it's capable of doing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
What did that settlement do for you personally?

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
So the juries, reward or however you want to say it,
I mean it was validation right to everything that we
had been through. For me personally, what I ultimately I
joined the lawsuit because I realized that along the way,
I had totally given up my voice and I had
given up all my power, and yes, Jones was doing

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all of these things. And when I did try and
try and put a stop to it in some way
by trying to get social media companies to take them
off or whatever, and I was just put down, like
I lost so much, and I gave up so much
of my own sense of self and my own worth.
So for me reclaiming that and that's why even the

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subtitle of the book is about reclaiming the truth about
Sandy Hook And for me, it was reclaiming just it
started out just reclaiming myself. I am a good father
and I am somebody that can protect my kids, and
I needed to stand up and speak truth to that.
And the process of this litigation in the courtroom and
then me getting to witness Alex Jones on the stand,

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and then me being able to take the stand myself.
That was what I gained out of this whole process
was and I know it sounds so cheesy, but it's
like I was able to reclaim my voice and what
that has done for me and how I now approach
my life and how I approach my relationships and my
family and grief has catapulted me into a much much

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healthier state of mine, in the state of being. And
that's what I got out of this whole process. I
walked off the stand elated with knowing that I had
accomplished with what I had intended to set out in
this and that accomplishment has now snowballed as we've gone
on in the future. I love the jury's verdict and

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it shows a validation of what it is that we
went through. It didn't give me personally anything other than
that validation. But what I needed out of this experience
was was that was what I was able to provide
for myself in going through it and reclaiming those things
that I felt like i'd lost.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Absolutely, I want to thank you so much for coming
on and talking about your extraordinary a father's fight, taking
on Alex Jones and reclaiming the truth about Sandy Hook.
For those people that might want to find out more
about this book. Do you do have a website and
do you do any social media that week refer to.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
I have a very limited social media presence. I was
off social media for years because of these guys. But
I do have a website. It's my name, Robbie Parker,
Robbie's Robbie, so Robbie Parker dot net. I do have
an email that people can contact me at info at
Robbie Parker dot net. Those would be the best basic

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to get a hold of me, or if anybody's interested
in purchasing the book, that would be the way to
find out more about it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Thank you very much, Robbie Parker for a father's fight,
taking on Alex Jones and reclaiming the truth about Sandy Hook.
Thank you so much for this interview, and you have
a great evening and good night.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
My pleasure, Dan, thank you, thank you,