August 25, 2025 • 51 mins
The Serial Killer Travel Guide Across America isn’t your typical road trip companion. This darkly fascinating guide is quirky and unconventional and takes readers on a dark journey through the United States, exploring notorious locations linked to infamous and not-so infamous serial killers. From the shadowy forests of the Pacific Northwest to the sun-bleached basements of suburbia, each stop offers true crime devotees an unsettling glimpse into the macabre.
Designed like a 1960s-style travel guide, this book offers a coast-to-coast tour, showcasing select spots and delving into the twisted histories of the perpetrators. Blending history, psychology, and a hint of gallows humor, this book is part travel guide and part true crime encyclopedia.
Whether you’re planning a dark tourism pilgrimage or just indulging your morbid curiosity from the safety of your home, The Serial Killer Travel Guide Across America will take you closer to the truth—and the horror—than you ever thought possible. THE SERIAL KILLER TRAVEL GUIDE ACROSS AMERICA: Your Coast-To-Coast Tour of Terror-Johnny Trevisani
Designed like a 1960s-style travel guide, this book offers a coast-to-coast tour, showcasing select spots and delving into the twisted histories of the perpetrators. Blending history, psychology, and a hint of gallows humor, this book is part travel guide and part true crime encyclopedia.
Whether you’re planning a dark tourism pilgrimage or just indulging your morbid curiosity from the safety of your home, The Serial Killer Travel Guide Across America will take you closer to the truth—and the horror—than you ever thought possible. THE SERIAL KILLER TRAVEL GUIDE ACROSS AMERICA: Your Coast-To-Coast Tour of Terror-Johnny Trevisani
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
Good Evening. The Serial Killer Travel Guide Across America isn't
your typical road trip companion. This darkly fascinating guide is
quirky and unconventional, and takes readers on a dark journey
through the United States, exploring notorious locations linked to infamy
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and not so infamous serial killers. From the shadowy forests
of the Pacific Northwest to the sun bleach basements of Suburbia.
Each stop offers true crime devotees an unsettling glimpse into
the macabre. Designed like a nineteen sixty style travel guide,
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this book offers a coast to coast tour, showcasing select
spots and delving into the twisted histories of the perpetrators.
Blending history, psychology, and a hint of Gallows humor, this
book is part travel guide and part true crime Encyclopedia.
(01:42):
Whether you're planning a dark tourism, pilgrimage, or just indulging
your morbid curiosity from the safety of your home, The
serial Killer Travel Guide Across America will take you closer
to the truth and the horror than you ever thought possible.
The book they were featuring this evening is The serial
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Killer's Travel Guide Across America. You're Coast to Coast Tour
of Terror with my special guest author, Johnny Trevazani. Welcome
to the program, and thank you very much for this interview.
Johnny Trevazani, Hi Dan, thanks for the opportunity. Congratulations on
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this book, The Serial Killer Travel Gride Across America. Your
Coast to Coast Tour of Terror.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Thanks Am, It's been a It was an interesting book
to put together. I was super excited about when I
when I came up with the idea and seeing how
it went. So when I the genesis for the book
was if you remember a few years ago when the
story of the Long Island serial Killer, you know Rex
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heremen hit Now. I'm based around on the East Coast
and been up to Long Island a number of times,
and I thought I was like wonder where the gil
Go Beaches. I was not familiar with Gilgo Beach, so
I just went up on you know, a map to
check to see where that was. And I realized, oh,
I've been by that before and I've driven by that before.
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And then I thought, wow, it might be an interesting
thing to do. A travel guide put together, like a
travel guide from place to place to place throughout the country,
hitting as many states as needed. Now, I looked it
up and did some research and found out that there
really wasn't anything like it, and I had to give
it a go. And during that process I contacted Brian,
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who got me my first deal for my first book,
which is a serial Killer Quote of the Day, and
then we talked about it and he was one. He
thought it was a great idea and you'll just was
fully in. So he helped me significantly throughout the book
and we she was our favorite favorite ones to put
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in the book. Thought that had really good stories, good places.
And then we of course, like any travel guide, you're
going to put not just the location of what we're
talking about and of the or where the killers did
their duty, did their did their deeds, or where they
were born or where there were where many of their
kills were located. But also we put in normal travel
guide things like you might while you're in town, you
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might want to see this place. So that was the
the impetus for the book.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Now you have seventy eight serial killer murder destinations in
this book, and you break it up into areas, can
you tell us where you started? What areas started with
in what cities, towns or areas that were included.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So we broke it up into into regions. And the
regions were set up like you know a New England region,
and you know the southeast and the north northwest and
all of throughout the country. Brooke them which are a
collection of different dates. And if you traverse from New
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England through the New England States, you'll go top to bottom,
and that's sort of the idea was that you go
top to bottom, and then when you got down to Florida,
then you sort of went over a little bit more
west and then went through that area as well. So
there's they're broken up into different regions. What I found
was most people when they get the book, they immediately
go to their hometown to see what's close to their hometown,
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to see if they're if they're listed, So like the
Middle East region, and you know the Southeast region, which
is a pretty big region, you know, spanning from Kentucky
all the way down to Florida, you know. And then
there's a Great Lakes region and the plains, and and
when you get into the far West, it starts at
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Washington or it starts to excusually uh Alaska and then
goes to Alulu.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Why we spoke earlier, And like any good serial killer
travel obviously the big names are in this book, but
you took special pains to include lesser known and very
interesting serial killers. So just give us a list of
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some of the well known serial killers that you touch
on in this travel guide before we talk about some
lesser known but very fascinating and interesting, lesser known serial killers.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Right. That was an editorial decision to include a mix
of well known ones like Ramirez and Bundi and Gac
and such. They're all included. Even things that you know
that were you know, the alphabet murders as such, they're
all included. You probably have heard of these things and
they've also been probably on Netflix, covered on Netflix in
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some sort of documentary. But other ones that are not known.
I found very interesting because why aren't they noted? Why
aren't some of the people like Richard Steves or Stuart Weldon.
Why are these people that are you know, murdered a
number of people not as well known. And I just
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wanted to I thought that their stories were interesting and I,
you know, want to highlight them.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
You mentioned Richard Steves from north Berwick, Maine, and his
reign of terror was June sixty five to twenty years yeah,
eighty five, nineteen eighty five, and you write that north
Berwick is about forty miles from Portland, right. Tell us
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about Steves. You say he was born in Waterville, Maine,
and when he was five, his father killed himself. Tell
us a little bit about his life growing up and
what happened with him murder wise.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
You know, he didn't grow up in a stable He
didn't really have a stable childhood and you met his
you know, father feeling himself. But he had violent behavior
throughout his childhood and he he he talked about that
as being that it's stemmed from sexual abuse, but he
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didn't really give any indications of what the details of
that sexual abuse, but he sort of blamed that which
would track for serial killers, you know, but he had
mental He went in He spent a lot of time
in mental institutions over mental hospitals throughout his life. He
you know, he was he was arrested from murdering his
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neighbor and that's how it was caught. But you know,
he he there's a history of his his problems that
should have been caught earlier. But even you know him
going through mental institutions for over well over a decade.
You know, he he murdered six people. He pretty much
more focused in the with one sixty five and sixties.
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In nineteen sixty five sixty six, he went on a
number of he killed a number of people, but they
didn't catch him until nineteen eighty five. And I'm sorry
they caught him later after nineteen eighty five, but his
last known victim was in eighty five, which is an
odd thing, right, if you think how long it's been
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out there and how much technology had changed from nineteen
sixty five to nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
You wrote about that he had pled guilty by reason
of insanity, and so the New Hampshire Supreme Court stopped
his trial, you right, and sent Steves to the Concord
Mental Hospital and he was released from the hospital in
nineteen eighty with a psychiatrist stating that Steves was no
longer a threat to society.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So then a few years later you read he broke
into Bailey Wells home sixty nine year old man and
killed him, and he was found guilty and sen sentenced
to life in prison.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Right still where he is there now? I mean, not
many people know of Richard Steves. It's an interesting thing.
It's like a failure of the whole system that he
was let out. But you know, not to take away
from Richard Stiege, but it's not unusual that story. I mean,
you could look at Ed Kemper who was released after
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killing his grandparents what he did. So the system really
wasn't set up across the country. You know, whether whether
or not you're in Maine like Richard Siege, or whether
you're in California like Ed Kemper.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Your next stop is on Allenstown, New Hampshire, and an
unknown serial killer Terry Rasmussen aka the Chameleon Killer, November
seventy eight to June two thousand and two. And you
say that this is about an hour west of North Berwick.
The The state's model was live free or die right.
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Many of these stories too. Many of these serial killers
have a history of enlisting in the military. They do
as much as Terry Rasmussen was as well. Tell us
a little bit about this guy's life. You say, he
was married in sixty eight and had four children. What
does he end up doing to his children?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well, he was pretty abusive to his kids. He would
he was one of those guys that would burn this
kids with cigarette butts, you know, I mean he was
pretty abusive and I and which is pretty gruesome your
own kids. You know. After that, he you know, his
wife left him and took the kids, you know, which
is a very good move. Were the for the kids?
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They were in an abusive relationship with their dad and
you know, you often wonder did they would that have?
She probably stopped a cycle there by doing that. He
he settled in like in New Hampshire. You know, he
started to see other people and just got into a
really bad habit of hobbies. Because in seventy eight is
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when he started killing people near something called Barbrook. He
just went on a killing spree because he killed a
number of people. You know, he was convicted of only one,
but he was suspected of five others.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You write about this woman named Merlise Honey Church, and
the reason why he is called the chameleon killer is
because he's using all these various aliases, so people know
him as names like Bob Evans, and you say, Bob
Evans started to get into trouble for writing bad shacks
and theft. But this Honey Church argued with her own family,
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I guess about being involved with this man, and so
she defied the family and and stayed with him, and
she was never seen again, her or children.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yep. Then after that he began dating another woman. She
had a little daughter who's never found. After that, you know,
he used another moniker called Curtis Kimball. Makes sense, he
has the chameleon name. But she was good at deceiving
people and having them trust them to go along with them,
which is unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Was horrifying is that one of the women that he killed,
this Denise Bodine. She her body was never found. But
you right that he kept the little girl and throughout
the eighties he posed as the little girl's father. So
very a story right out of hell.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, I mean they didn't find the bodies of Honeychurch
for a while after that. It was they were pretty
they were killed pretty brutally, I mean, blunt forced to
their to their heads. Yeah, I mean he used another moniker,
you know, Larry Vanner. When he was in California, he
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also vanished. I mean he's leaving a trail of bodies
behind him as you go from one location to another location. Now,
I don't have him listed for California, and most serial
killers don't necessarily stay in the same place, but I
just listed. I listed, you know, very because he was
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more so associated with that location in New Hampshire.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You also write that you mentioned that he was married
in two thousand and one, and that woman was later
found buried in cat litter in a crawl space in
her home.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
And now when he was arrested, like many of these people,
they either confess. This person pled guilty sentenced to fifteen
years to life. However, he died at sixty seven years
old of lung cancer while he was in prison.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Right, that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You talk about just briefly Israel Keys, and we've covered
that on this program. He is from Essex, Vermont, or
at least you place him in there again, another serial
killer that traveled extensively, but you have pinned this as
destination Essex, Vermont and talking about.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I mean Israel Keys was a pretty prolific killer for
a while too. But I put him there primarily because
that's where he started. You know. That's and again you
have to sort of you know, like he was born
in Utah, but it's where he started killing. You know,
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he killed all the covery but in Essex, you know,
that's when he broke into the house of the courriers
and tied them up and killed Bill and raped wife,
killed her as well. So that's why I started in Vermont. There.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Let's use this as an opportunity to stop to hear
these messages. Another lesser known sterial killer. And you take
us to Springfield, Massachusetts and a person named Stuart Weldon.
December twenty seventeen to March twenty eighteen. You write that
you could drive an hour west from Boston to Springfield.
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Stuart Weldon in nineteen ninety six, at nineteen, he sexually
assaulted a girl at gunpoint. He's convicted a sexual assault
after release, arrested on weapons charges and kidnapping. But you
write and this is a very familiar thing in some
of these older cases that you write about. He was
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sentenced to three years probation at that time.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, another failure, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Now, you say a few years later he had a
burglary arrest, sentenced to one year. Upon release, he moved
to Springfield and it continued his life of crime with
breaking enter into a liquor store. He got eighteen months.
Now you take us to May twenty seventh, twenty eighteen.
Police pull them over. There's a woman in the back seat.
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What does this woman in the back seat say to police?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
She was kidnapped. She said she was kidnapped and held
capped for her like around a month. He raped her repeatedly. Yeah,
and he was. But he was arrested, you know, shortly
after that for that obviously, as you would it was
a good, good traffic stop on their part.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
You say that he was arrested and soon after his
mother calls police saying that there was a terrible smell.
To report a terrible smell, people might know what's going on.
What's the terrible smell?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
There is rotting corpses that were buried there. When they
started the home, they found that there were bodies of
three women there, and which I noted it was rather
odd for the mother not to notice that smell before that,
because it's pretty odd. But in one house, she didn't
know that he was kidnapping people and bringing them into
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the same house as kind of bizarre. And after that
he was convicted, he was sentenced to free life terms
in prison.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You take us to another lesser known serial killer, Bridgeport, Connecticut,
Emmanuel Lowell Webb, the East End Killer nineteen ninety to
nineteen ninety three, and you write Bridgeport's just a little place,
one hundred and forty five thousand people. But you take
us to a place you said it's very one of
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the worst areas in Bridgeport called the Hollow. And April first,
nineteen ninety there's a report of a car on fire
downtown and upon arrival police find the charred remains of
a woman in the back seat and she had been strangled.
Male DNA was found suspected rape. So Webb's reign of
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terror continues. In nineteen ninety two, he rapes this woman,
the Mini Sutton, strangled, stabbed and raped. Then he goes
on to Elizabeth Maxine Gandhy and she's found topless in
an abandoned building near another woman's body. This woman is
Sheila Etheridge, and her father finds her dead in her apartment.
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So this person continues killing.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
But then he got caught later because you know, he
stole the he killed something. He killed another woman, Evelyn Cherry,
and he stole a car, and that's how they found
the car and was able to link them all together.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
And very very much these Once he's arrested, he admits
to killing this woman, Ethridge, but he says that he
accidentally strangled her.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, he accidentally, that's produced he said, I'm not sure
how you accidentally straight he strangle somebody. But he didn't
go overwell because you know, he had a he pled
guilty what to involuntary manslaughter, but also voter theft.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
But that was a very reduced sentence because he was
given a twenty year sentence, and again very very horrifying.
He's paroled after seven years in two thousand and one, right,
you're right. In two thousand and five, he moved back
to Connecticut and he's busted for drug possession, violating his
parole right, so arrested. He now has to submit a
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DNA sample. What happens in two thousand and six.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Regarding this, they were able to use that DNA sample
and match the murders that he went that he killed them,
and earlier earlier, back in the nineties, they discovered that
they checked in that he web checked into a hospital
had cuts on his hands. The day after that one
of them was killed. You know, he got caught, and
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he got caught by technology to match the other ones.
So again this is another failure, right of the of
the system letting us letting him out. I mean, you know, technology,
I guess can only take you so far. But because
you know, there was a debate in serial killers why
you know, they always think about the sixties and seventieses
in early eighties as being the heightened time of serial killers,
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and they think that they don't happen as much now,
but they do. They do. Like there's no data to
support that it's any more back then. It's just that
we about them more because we discovered them. But you know,
you still have reck Hureman like still in modern day
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knowing you know, there's this investigation. You know, the the
law enforcement are investigating these things right now, and they
have DNA, they have cameras. There's cameras all over the place.
Everybody has them on their on their front door. But
he still gets away with it, primarily because most one
of the common traits of serraculas is they're going to
go after people that are not going to be on
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camera near homes. They're going to go after prostitutes and
right drug addicts. So this is a person that was
able to be caught because of DNA.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
You say too that he was charged with Gandhi's murder.
He was sentenced to sixty years. But he's linked you
right to fifteen suspected murders and only four murders conclusively.
But you say that some of these totals from even
well Es actually for the famous serial killers, there's a
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question of how many exactly right.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It's a matter of how you can take a look
at little who. It wasn't until you start talking to
him that he either they're going to embellish how many
they killed, or they're going to actually lead you to
their bodies and lead you to where they did it.
I mean through well they suspected of them. There's a
number of people that they suspect more of, but they
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haven't been able to link it, you know, conclusively, but
maybe they will. They're still trying to close out these
a lot of murders, so they might. This is still
relatively new in the you know, it's relatively you know,
he was back in you know, twenty seventeen, so you
still might find him being associated with more murders as
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they discover them.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
You take us to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on this serial killer
murder tour and a Marty Graham eighty six to eighty seven,
kill seven and you say this is nestled between New
York City and District of Columbia. And you say that
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Graham was born in nineteen fifty nine, diagnosed early with
mental disorders, lengthy stays in mental facilities. Tell us what
happens in the seventies when he moves out of his
parents' place, he enters.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
The workforce, you know, he moves out of his parents' house.
He you know, he was able to get a job
and move into his own place. He was known to
collect bodies. That's how the the that's how the when
they discovered in his apartment, he was almost like a hoarder.
The smell that was coming from from that place was
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was awful. But nineteen ninety eight, around eighty seven, he
was he was evicted because the smell was terrible, and
then they found out the reason why, because there was
you know, there were bodies in there.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
They found seven bodies, you say, just strown around rooms. Yeah,
when he was arrested, he still claimed innocence and his
defense was, I'm just a horder. I didn't put those
bodies in there. I didn't see them. I didn't put
them there.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, you have to go back to his mental illness too,
so to sort of explain that, you know, he I had.
There were in Philadelphia. There are two serial killers that
are kind of known for that area. There's there's also
the Franklin or Frankfurt strangler, but there was two known
ones and they were around the same time. So Marty
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Graham was one and Gary Heidnick was the other, and
they were both kind of similar. Gary Heidnick wanted I
don't have him in the book because I thought Marty's
was story was a little bit less known than Gary Heidnick,
and I wanted to highlight him. But they were around
the same time, and they and in their apartments where
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they live would not that far. They were both in
North Philadelphia, and in North Philadelphia at that time was
a pretty bad place to live. They didn't make it
any better. Let's put that way.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Let's Jesus as an opportunity to stop to hear these messages.
One of the interesting destinations is a place called Alexandria, Virginia,
and you have it as the destination twice, so featuring
two lesser known serial killers. One is Monty Ristle, and
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I'll just mention it because I just thought this was fascinating.
He kills five in seventy six to seventy seven. But
Monty Wristle was featured in season one, episode four of
twenty seventeen Netflix crime drama mind Hunter. Very very interesting
from Alexandria, Virginia.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
So because I thought that was very interesting, and why
I thought it was interesting for Alexandria is if you've
ever been to Alexandria, it's a very quat little city,
not that big. It's quaint as cobblestones. But to actually
have two serial killers from from there was kind of
mind blowing to me. And the one I highlighted. The
other one, his name is Charles Severance. He has a
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really unique backstory, like you know, he actually has a degree.
You know, he went he got a degree in uh
mechanical engineering. He stayed in and around Virginia, but he
also ran for the mayor of Alexandria, and he and
then he also ran and then he ran for congress,
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you know, in that area. So I find that very interesting.
And then after shortly after he loses his bid to
get into congress was when his murders started. And he
was known as the grudge killer because he as he
described it, or as they kind of described it, that
he had a grudge with the people that he killed,
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like a personal vendetta against them, except that were kind
of random, but because it was his grudge, but the
investigators could not really tie anything together because they were
rather random. And he would show up at their house
and kill them and then leave that he would get
in and get out pretty quickly. He would call it
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a knock talk enter kill, an exit murder.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
You say that he began killing in two thousand and
three with the wife of the county sheriff, and as
you write, she answered the doorbell and he shot her
right there. In twenty thirteen, another person was the city
transportation planner and he was gunned down at the front door.
And then twenty fourteen, music teacher Ruth Ann Ledado gun
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down at her door. And you say, you right. This
was a manifesto in bullets, a twisted crusade against the
what he saw was the corrupt elite. And the door
was his symbol, a barrier between the have and have nots.
And you say, and we could talk about it. The
trial was a carnival of madness. What was what happened
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at this trial that it was a carnival of madness.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
One thing you should note is if you ever saw
a picture of Charles, I didn't describe it in there,
but I would in the book, but I would describe
it to you now that he kind of looked like
Santa Claus if Santa Claus was a crack addict. He just,
you know, he never looked. He looked like a mad man,
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total man man. And so he was just rambling during
his trial. I was talking about conspiracy because that was
part of what drove him to go in to try
to go into politics. You know, he wanted to. He thought,
you know, the the quaint little city of Alexandria was
you know, a societal decay. But he just rambled. They've
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made things crazy during that whole time in his in
his during his trial.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
You take us to Richmond, Virginia and another lesser known
serial killer, this Timothy Wilson Spencer, the south Side Strangler,
kills five eight and nineteen eighty four to nineteen eighty eight.
But what's interesting about him is that he was a
Richmond native. You say, but the first man in history
to be convicted via DNA evidence.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Right, yeah, yeah, which is you know, as technology started,
like they were able to pinpoint his DNA and set
the presidents for future forensic justice, forensic science, every killer
is going to leave DNA pretty much. He was not
a known killer. He was known as the south Side Strangler,
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killed five people.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
You take us to Tulsa, Oklahoma and Nanny Dos kills eleven,
nineteen twenty three to October nineteen fifty four, Pulsa, Oklahoma,
aka the Lonely Hearts Killer. Tell us about Nanny Dos.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
We should understand there were more than one Lonely Hearts Killer.
But I thought Nanny Ds was interesting. How they you know,
I get that, I do. We'll go back far. So
obviously this is going back pretty far in history. She
was called the Giggling Granny because she left when they
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were investigating her. So she had a fondness, you know,
for poison, and she would poison her spouses and her kids,
which was kind of bizarre, right, But why they didn't
see I mean, she was married a number of times.
She was married four times, and they all died the
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same way. You think they would connect the dots, but
they didn't. And I get that she did travel around
from a little bit, and back then they didn't have DNA,
and they didn't really tie the local municipalities and not
talking to an other minnipelities attract these things. I don't know.
I think a red flag might be, hey, you know
you just your husband just died last year, and then
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you're remarried and that, hey, another one died, and another
one died and another one died. I mean from nineteen
fifty two the nineteen fifty four, three of her husbands died.
She was, you know, say greedy. She wanted the life
insurance money. She killed eleven people now.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
You say husbands, two children, a sister or mother, two grandsons,
and her mother in law one of her mother in laws,
to a total of eleven and when arrested, she confessed freely.
And you right, cheerfully, right, yep. You take us to Miami, Florida.
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You say, there's a lot of serial killers obviously in Florida,
but this is the Miami Strangler. So an unidentified serial
killer nine to eleven kills August sixty four to October
nineteen seventy And you right that Miami in late in
the late eighties was a seething hotbed of cocaine wars,
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neon excess and bodies washing up in the bay and
a shadowy figure was stalking the underbelly of the city.
Tell us about the Miami Strangler.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Right, So if you can put yourself during that time,
it was a hotbed of activity. You know, there are
movies about cocaine wars, so there were bodies, you know,
washing up, and there were murders because of the turf wars.
But this was going on during the same time. And
they never caught that person killed nine to they it
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was nine to eleven is what they had. The differences
between the were differences between the murders of the Miami
Strangler and the other bodies was these were kind of drifters.
They didn't they're gonna it's going to go well with
the serial murder because they're on the outskirts. You know,
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he had ligature marks around their throats and so he
would strangle them. Okay, But he had an interesting tell
because he would use silk ties and he would leave
them behind, and that's how they were tying all together.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
You're right though, that some of these people were posed
in strange, almost ritualistic ways.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Right, I mean, and other killers do that too, like
you know, Danny Rowland did the same thing, but he
was or I shouldn't say he They were set up
in a specific way to satisfy, you know, their their urges.
He had the two things he would sometimes he would
position them in certain configurations and then he would leave
a silk tie behind.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
And you write about the silk tie. It was often expensive,
sometimes even monogrammed.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
You think you would be able to tie that together, right,
I mean, but again I guess the police really wasn't.
I mean, silk ties are not going to be normal,
especially the ones that he was using, because you can
you should be able to figure out from where that
was purchased and where it was made and such. But
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that wasn't wasn't really very helpful.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
You write that despite a full scale manhunt and an investigation,
the strangler was never caught. And you write that some
believe he was a former hit man for the cartels
who took pleasure in a more personal style of murder.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah. Never, I mean, that's just what some were saying
about it not confirmed. I include that.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Let's use this as an opportunity to stop to hear
these messages. You take us to Ashland, Ohio, and Sean Great.
He kills five between two thousand and six and twenty sixteen,
and Ashland, Ohio is a suburb of Cleveland, a Cleveland
pardon me. In high school, he assaulted a girlfriend. Four
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years in prison. Once he was released, he began slaughtering women,
and it all came down to an end of his
reign of terror. After a woman Great had held hostage
for three days managed to call nine to one one
while Seawan Great was snoozing right.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
To be more specific, I think when he was in
high school he was arrested for grabbing his girlfriend's part.
He was arrested later on and then sentenced to four years.
There After he got out of high school, he was
sentenced to four years, he bounced someone to he kidnapped somebody,
bound them in bed and held him hostage, and they
were able to work their way through and call nine
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one one. You know, yes, killers have to sleep, but
you know what was in you know, you know, he
shaved shape's heart shape into the public care of the
one victim.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
You write that he wrote a news station and said
that government assistance was reason for all of the murders.
Can you explain that?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
You know, he just said, well that was why he
was waiting, a waiting trial, and you know, he wanted
to notoriety, so he wrote a news station. You know,
he just said that he didn't like the fact that
people were getting government assistants. You know, it's another conspiracy.
Then he also said later on, was that they were
already dead. You know, he wasn't really you know, he's
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once they started receiving their monthly check. So he really
didn't like the fact that people were getting you know,
government assistants.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, cleaning up the streets like many of these serial
killers claim, right, yeah, right. And you write that he
was sentenced to death and this execution is slated for
some time this year twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
That's true. He is, and we'll see if that actually happens.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
You take us to a place called Streamwood, Illinois, and
Paul Runge kills eight between June ninety five and March
ninety seven. And this is stream what is about twenty
miles away from Aurora, a suburb of Chicago. And you
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write that his very first victim. Actually actually you write
that his career started at seventeen. He kidnapped and raped
a fourteen year old girl. And of course he was
paroled in ninety four and married a woman named Charlene.
Now Charlene, there's his first victim was an acquaintance of
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his wife. So that's where the story gets very very interesting.
Hit her with a dumbbell, cut her up in the bathtub,
and she had gone to visit Charlene, and obviously no
one had seen her afterwards. Very interesting when you talk
about that. A few weeks later, a German shepherd brought
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something home. Can you tell us about what this German
shepherd brought home?
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Yeah, I brought back a leg because you know, he
cut up, he cut up the body, and the German shepherd,
I guess has a good smell, was able to brought
back the other leg in DNA. They did DNA test
on it. They found out it was a friend, the
friend of his wife, Stacy Urbal, So, so that you
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know she he was she raped, he he raped her
as well.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
You also talk about that. After this, it was next
was two sisters. They were seen last July nineteen ninety
five when they were offered a house cleaning job by
Runges and they were raped and strangled to death.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
He continues in January ninety seventy right, and raped and
strangled a thirty year old woman in her home. Then
in February killed a forty year old woman, and.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
He also burned that body. Jirota, He not only raped
and strangled, but he also burned that body. Interesting because
that was different from other things that he did.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
You're right that he killed a forty year old woman
and her ten year old daughter. He slit their throats,
and as you're right, they burned down their house. Yeah,
and then he continues with this raping, strangling and attempting
to burn with a forty three year old. Fighters find
her body when they extinguish the fire. But that's when
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law enforcement, you say, becomes suspicious, not only of Paul Runch,
but also of his wife Charlene.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
I mean they searched runs house. They didn't really find
too much. They found interesting things like a stun gun
and stuff, but they didn't find anything that oh sorry,
they did find a knife, and you know, because he
was a convicted felon before he was convicted of a
possession of a weapon. I mean, he confessed to the
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five murders, right, and she was granted immunity for her cooperation,
which is odd because if you confess for the five member,
what does she need immunity for? Because she was probably
implicated in some fashion.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Well, immunity seems to indicate that they didn't have enough
physical or material out evidence, enough evidence to convict him readily.
So they offer immunity for her cooperation because obviously no
eye witnesses, but also probably a lack of physical evidence.
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And so that's the only reason, because you normally don't
see immunity, you see a reduced sentence for cooperation. So
there must have been something where.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
And she was something.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, you say that he was sentenced to death,
but later his sentence was united to life. You take
us to Aurora, Illinois, and Bruce Lindall. He kills twelve
or more from seventy six to eighty one, again very
much like almost every one of these lesser known criminals
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and the more famous, more infamous criminals. In the beginning,
it starts with minor criminal charges, even petty crime, but
until nineteen seventy five, he rapes a twenty year old
girl at gunpoint, but again very similar to many of
these other stories, he's not charged, and shortly after he's
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pulled over by police for a traffic violation, so they
find an unconscious woman in the back seat bleeding from
her head. She had been sexually assaulted. After that, no
charges filed.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
YEP.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
January seventy six, a sixteen year old was raped and strangled.
Three years later the body was found of a nineteen
year old was found in the Fox River, missing for
a month. And he's write that June nineteen eighty Lyndall
abducted a twenty five year old and took her to
his apartment and raped her and then he fell asleep.
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What did luckily, what did this woman be able to do?
Speaker 3 (44:00):
She was able to escape. Cops came back and arrested him,
and then the woman went missing. And because of that,
the charges were dropped because most of her the case
depended on her testimony. Then they later found her body,
that's why she went missing. Another fail, right.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Well, another fail was releasing him on bail.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Yeah right, I mean released him on bail.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
But you write that in April nineteen eighty one, the
Lindhall attacks an eighteen year old girl, stabbed or stabbing
him twenty eight times, and during the attack, Lindall accidentally
stevers his own femeral artery right, causing his own death right.
(44:51):
And you write that DNA has been used to link
him to two more murders.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Yes, the phrase cuts bow tways interesting.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
You have another very interesting serial killer, Donald Francis Nemachek
Gills five seventy four to seventy six, Ogala, Kansas, three
hours northwest of Kansas City. Right, this is nineteen seventy four.
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You take us to and there's two women, young women
and a three year old daughter in a truck. What
does Francis Donald Nemechek do when he sees these people?
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Took out a gun and shot at the retires. He
abducted them and took him to a farmhouse. I see
he you know sexually assaulted the woman, then shot them both.
He left the boy to live. Bit That boy actually
died of hypothermia because he was outside.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
You're right. In summer of nineteen seventy four, Continuing, he
rides past a young girl on her bicycle and he
exposes himself. So she says, you stupid bastard, you think
you're funny. So what does he do as a result
of this insult?
Speaker 3 (46:21):
He regards he kind of didn't like that remark, and
put her into her trapped and raper and stab her
to death and then left your body near a wheatfield.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
You take us to August, he abducts a sixteen year
old girl, the last person scene with her, and the
Prince linked him to the crime scene. They searched his
camper and he had photos he had taken of the
victims' bodies. Yes, he was charged with five murders, found guilty,
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sentence to life without parole or pardon me, actually prole
eligibility after fifteen years. You write that he is eligible
for parole first first eligibility July twenty twenty seven, when
he'll be seventy seven years old.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
That's right. We'll see how that goes. In a couple
of years.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
What did you This is the second book and you
wrote that you had the serial Quote of the Day
is your former book and also with the assistance of
Brian Whitney. Author Brian Whitney tell us about the what
you took away from the writing from this entire book
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project with the Serial Killer Travel Guide across America.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
I'm a curious guy. I don't view myself as an
expert on things, but I was curious to see if
there is if you can make a try got about
this thing, if you can actually travel from one place
to another visiting these places, which you can. But I
also found that there is a number of serial killers
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out there that have never been found. Like we mentioned,
you know, the Miami strangler and such, it's never been found,
and I thought that was still very interesting. So I
learned a lot during this process to learn that in
Honolulu there was a strangler that was never found. I mean,
that's a beautiful place, but even even in beautiful places,
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you're going to have horrific experiences. So it was it
was interesting to discover as I went from place to place.
I'm visited a number of these places, but it was
also interesting to discover it and learn.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
You write in this book that this is a blood
slicked map of the American psyche, where the interstates stick together,
a quilt of or each patch soaked in different shades
of crimson, a state by state descent into the mythos
of monsters who walked among us, shopping at the same safeways,
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pumping gas at the same texacos, smiling through the same
PTA meetings.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
It's about right. That's what Seriah killers do right. Seriah
killers are not spree killers. They're not They're going to
be They're going to be people that live in that
community that you're probably going to be sitting standing behind
in a safeway. That's what makes them intriguing, and that's
what makes it this story that much more compelling.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
You're also right. Let this guide be your roadmap through
the underbelly of the American dream, a dream where the
picket fences hide crawl spaces and the neighbors never hear
the screams because they're too busy watering the lawn. Read
will go deep into the heart of darkness and not
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bringing a return ticket. God bless America, she needs it.
I want to thank you so much for coming on
and talking about the Serial Killer Travel Guide Across America,
your Coast to Coast Tour of Terror. For those people
that want to find out more about this book and
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your other work, can you refer us to a website
and any social media you do.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Sure. I want to thank you for having me on
your show. Thank you. It was fun. You can reach
me at Johnny Trevisaoni dot com and from there there
are my socials on there, but I have Johnny Travisaonnie author,
on Facebook and on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Thank you very much, Johnny Travesani for coming on and
talking about the Serial Killer Travel Guide Across America, your
coast to Coast Tour of Terror. It's been a fascinating interview.
Thank you so much, and you have a great evening
and good night. Thank you, thank you,
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Each stop offers true crime devotees an unsettling glimpse into
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The book they were featuring this evening is The serial
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Killer's Travel Guide Across America. You're Coast to Coast Tour
of Terror with my special guest author, Johnny Trevazani. Welcome
to the program, and thank you very much for this interview.
Johnny Trevazani, Hi Dan, thanks for the opportunity. Congratulations on
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this book, The Serial Killer Travel Gride Across America. Your
Coast to Coast Tour of Terror.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Thanks Am, It's been a It was an interesting book
to put together. I was super excited about when I
when I came up with the idea and seeing how
it went. So when I the genesis for the book
was if you remember a few years ago when the
story of the Long Island serial Killer, you know Rex
(02:54):
heremen hit Now. I'm based around on the East Coast
and been up to Long Island a number of times,
and I thought I was like wonder where the gil
Go Beaches. I was not familiar with Gilgo Beach, so
I just went up on you know, a map to
check to see where that was. And I realized, oh,
I've been by that before and I've driven by that before.
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And then I thought, wow, it might be an interesting
thing to do. A travel guide put together, like a
travel guide from place to place to place throughout the country,
hitting as many states as needed. Now, I looked it
up and did some research and found out that there
really wasn't anything like it, and I had to give
it a go. And during that process I contacted Brian,
(03:39):
who got me my first deal for my first book,
which is a serial Killer Quote of the Day, and
then we talked about it and he was one. He
thought it was a great idea and you'll just was
fully in. So he helped me significantly throughout the book
and we she was our favorite favorite ones to put
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in the book. Thought that had really good stories, good places.
And then we of course, like any travel guide, you're
going to put not just the location of what we're
talking about and of the or where the killers did
their duty, did their did their deeds, or where they
were born or where there were where many of their
kills were located. But also we put in normal travel
guide things like you might while you're in town, you
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might want to see this place. So that was the
the impetus for the book.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Now you have seventy eight serial killer murder destinations in
this book, and you break it up into areas, can
you tell us where you started? What areas started with
in what cities, towns or areas that were included.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So we broke it up into into regions. And the
regions were set up like you know a New England region,
and you know the southeast and the north northwest and
all of throughout the country. Brooke them which are a
collection of different dates. And if you traverse from New
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England through the New England States, you'll go top to bottom,
and that's sort of the idea was that you go
top to bottom, and then when you got down to Florida,
then you sort of went over a little bit more
west and then went through that area as well. So
there's they're broken up into different regions. What I found
was most people when they get the book, they immediately
go to their hometown to see what's close to their hometown,
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to see if they're if they're listed, So like the
Middle East region, and you know the Southeast region, which
is a pretty big region, you know, spanning from Kentucky
all the way down to Florida, you know. And then
there's a Great Lakes region and the plains, and and
when you get into the far West, it starts at
(05:48):
Washington or it starts to excusually uh Alaska and then
goes to Alulu.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Why we spoke earlier, And like any good serial killer
travel obviously the big names are in this book, but
you took special pains to include lesser known and very
interesting serial killers. So just give us a list of
(06:13):
some of the well known serial killers that you touch
on in this travel guide before we talk about some
lesser known but very fascinating and interesting, lesser known serial killers.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Right. That was an editorial decision to include a mix
of well known ones like Ramirez and Bundi and Gac
and such. They're all included. Even things that you know
that were you know, the alphabet murders as such, they're
all included. You probably have heard of these things and
they've also been probably on Netflix, covered on Netflix in
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some sort of documentary. But other ones that are not known.
I found very interesting because why aren't they noted? Why
aren't some of the people like Richard Steves or Stuart Weldon.
Why are these people that are you know, murdered a
number of people not as well known. And I just
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wanted to I thought that their stories were interesting and I,
you know, want to highlight them.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
You mentioned Richard Steves from north Berwick, Maine, and his
reign of terror was June sixty five to twenty years yeah,
eighty five, nineteen eighty five, and you write that north
Berwick is about forty miles from Portland, right. Tell us
(07:38):
about Steves. You say he was born in Waterville, Maine,
and when he was five, his father killed himself. Tell
us a little bit about his life growing up and
what happened with him murder wise.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
You know, he didn't grow up in a stable He
didn't really have a stable childhood and you met his
you know, father feeling himself. But he had violent behavior
throughout his childhood and he he he talked about that
as being that it's stemmed from sexual abuse, but he
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didn't really give any indications of what the details of
that sexual abuse, but he sort of blamed that which
would track for serial killers, you know, but he had
mental He went in He spent a lot of time
in mental institutions over mental hospitals throughout his life. He
you know, he was he was arrested from murdering his
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neighbor and that's how it was caught. But you know,
he he there's a history of his his problems that
should have been caught earlier. But even you know him
going through mental institutions for over well over a decade.
You know, he he murdered six people. He pretty much
more focused in the with one sixty five and sixties.
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In nineteen sixty five sixty six, he went on a
number of he killed a number of people, but they
didn't catch him until nineteen eighty five. And I'm sorry
they caught him later after nineteen eighty five, but his
last known victim was in eighty five, which is an
odd thing, right, if you think how long it's been
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out there and how much technology had changed from nineteen
sixty five to nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
You wrote about that he had pled guilty by reason
of insanity, and so the New Hampshire Supreme Court stopped
his trial, you right, and sent Steves to the Concord
Mental Hospital and he was released from the hospital in
nineteen eighty with a psychiatrist stating that Steves was no
longer a threat to society.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So then a few years later you read he broke
into Bailey Wells home sixty nine year old man and
killed him, and he was found guilty and sen sentenced
to life in prison.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Right still where he is there now? I mean, not
many people know of Richard Steves. It's an interesting thing.
It's like a failure of the whole system that he
was let out. But you know, not to take away
from Richard Stiege, but it's not unusual that story. I mean,
you could look at Ed Kemper who was released after
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killing his grandparents what he did. So the system really
wasn't set up across the country. You know, whether whether
or not you're in Maine like Richard Siege, or whether
you're in California like Ed Kemper.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Your next stop is on Allenstown, New Hampshire, and an
unknown serial killer Terry Rasmussen aka the Chameleon Killer, November
seventy eight to June two thousand and two. And you
say that this is about an hour west of North Berwick.
The The state's model was live free or die right.
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Many of these stories too. Many of these serial killers
have a history of enlisting in the military. They do
as much as Terry Rasmussen was as well. Tell us
a little bit about this guy's life. You say, he
was married in sixty eight and had four children. What
does he end up doing to his children?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well, he was pretty abusive to his kids. He would
he was one of those guys that would burn this
kids with cigarette butts, you know, I mean he was
pretty abusive and I and which is pretty gruesome your
own kids. You know. After that, he you know, his
wife left him and took the kids, you know, which
is a very good move. Were the for the kids?
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They were in an abusive relationship with their dad and
you know, you often wonder did they would that have?
She probably stopped a cycle there by doing that. He
he settled in like in New Hampshire. You know, he
started to see other people and just got into a
really bad habit of hobbies. Because in seventy eight is
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when he started killing people near something called Barbrook. He
just went on a killing spree because he killed a
number of people. You know, he was convicted of only one,
but he was suspected of five others.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You write about this woman named Merlise Honey Church, and
the reason why he is called the chameleon killer is
because he's using all these various aliases, so people know
him as names like Bob Evans, and you say, Bob
Evans started to get into trouble for writing bad shacks
and theft. But this Honey Church argued with her own family,
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I guess about being involved with this man, and so
she defied the family and and stayed with him, and
she was never seen again, her or children.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yep. Then after that he began dating another woman. She
had a little daughter who's never found. After that, you know,
he used another moniker called Curtis Kimball. Makes sense, he
has the chameleon name. But she was good at deceiving
people and having them trust them to go along with them,
which is unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Was horrifying is that one of the women that he killed,
this Denise Bodine. She her body was never found. But
you right that he kept the little girl and throughout
the eighties he posed as the little girl's father. So
very a story right out of hell.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, I mean they didn't find the bodies of Honeychurch
for a while after that. It was they were pretty
they were killed pretty brutally, I mean, blunt forced to
their to their heads. Yeah, I mean he used another moniker,
you know, Larry Vanner. When he was in California, he
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also vanished. I mean he's leaving a trail of bodies
behind him as you go from one location to another location. Now,
I don't have him listed for California, and most serial
killers don't necessarily stay in the same place, but I
just listed. I listed, you know, very because he was
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more so associated with that location in New Hampshire.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You also write that you mentioned that he was married
in two thousand and one, and that woman was later
found buried in cat litter in a crawl space in
her home.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
And now when he was arrested, like many of these people,
they either confess. This person pled guilty sentenced to fifteen
years to life. However, he died at sixty seven years
old of lung cancer while he was in prison.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Right, that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You talk about just briefly Israel Keys, and we've covered
that on this program. He is from Essex, Vermont, or
at least you place him in there again, another serial
killer that traveled extensively, but you have pinned this as
destination Essex, Vermont and talking about.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I mean Israel Keys was a pretty prolific killer for
a while too. But I put him there primarily because
that's where he started. You know. That's and again you
have to sort of you know, like he was born
in Utah, but it's where he started killing. You know,
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he killed all the covery but in Essex, you know,
that's when he broke into the house of the courriers
and tied them up and killed Bill and raped wife,
killed her as well. So that's why I started in Vermont. There.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Let's use this as an opportunity to stop to hear
these messages. Another lesser known sterial killer. And you take
us to Springfield, Massachusetts and a person named Stuart Weldon.
December twenty seventeen to March twenty eighteen. You write that
you could drive an hour west from Boston to Springfield.
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Stuart Weldon in nineteen ninety six, at nineteen, he sexually
assaulted a girl at gunpoint. He's convicted a sexual assault
after release, arrested on weapons charges and kidnapping. But you
write and this is a very familiar thing in some
of these older cases that you write about. He was
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sentenced to three years probation at that time.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, another failure, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Now, you say a few years later he had a
burglary arrest, sentenced to one year. Upon release, he moved
to Springfield and it continued his life of crime with
breaking enter into a liquor store. He got eighteen months.
Now you take us to May twenty seventh, twenty eighteen.
Police pull them over. There's a woman in the back seat.
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What does this woman in the back seat say to police?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
She was kidnapped. She said she was kidnapped and held
capped for her like around a month. He raped her repeatedly. Yeah,
and he was. But he was arrested, you know, shortly
after that for that obviously, as you would it was
a good, good traffic stop on their part.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
You say that he was arrested and soon after his
mother calls police saying that there was a terrible smell.
To report a terrible smell, people might know what's going on.
What's the terrible smell?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
There is rotting corpses that were buried there. When they
started the home, they found that there were bodies of
three women there, and which I noted it was rather
odd for the mother not to notice that smell before that,
because it's pretty odd. But in one house, she didn't
know that he was kidnapping people and bringing them into
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the same house as kind of bizarre. And after that
he was convicted, he was sentenced to free life terms
in prison.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You take us to another lesser known serial killer, Bridgeport, Connecticut,
Emmanuel Lowell Webb, the East End Killer nineteen ninety to
nineteen ninety three, and you write Bridgeport's just a little place,
one hundred and forty five thousand people. But you take
us to a place you said it's very one of
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the worst areas in Bridgeport called the Hollow. And April first,
nineteen ninety there's a report of a car on fire
downtown and upon arrival police find the charred remains of
a woman in the back seat and she had been strangled.
Male DNA was found suspected rape. So Webb's reign of
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terror continues. In nineteen ninety two, he rapes this woman,
the Mini Sutton, strangled, stabbed and raped. Then he goes
on to Elizabeth Maxine Gandhy and she's found topless in
an abandoned building near another woman's body. This woman is
Sheila Etheridge, and her father finds her dead in her apartment.
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So this person continues killing.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
But then he got caught later because you know, he
stole the he killed something. He killed another woman, Evelyn Cherry,
and he stole a car, and that's how they found
the car and was able to link them all together.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
And very very much these Once he's arrested, he admits
to killing this woman, Ethridge, but he says that he
accidentally strangled her.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, he accidentally, that's produced he said, I'm not sure
how you accidentally straight he strangle somebody. But he didn't
go overwell because you know, he had a he pled
guilty what to involuntary manslaughter, but also voter theft.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
But that was a very reduced sentence because he was
given a twenty year sentence, and again very very horrifying.
He's paroled after seven years in two thousand and one, right,
you're right. In two thousand and five, he moved back
to Connecticut and he's busted for drug possession, violating his
parole right, so arrested. He now has to submit a
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DNA sample. What happens in two thousand and six.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Regarding this, they were able to use that DNA sample
and match the murders that he went that he killed them,
and earlier earlier, back in the nineties, they discovered that
they checked in that he web checked into a hospital
had cuts on his hands. The day after that one
of them was killed. You know, he got caught, and
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he got caught by technology to match the other ones.
So again this is another failure, right of the of
the system letting us letting him out. I mean, you know, technology,
I guess can only take you so far. But because
you know, there was a debate in serial killers why
you know, they always think about the sixties and seventieses
in early eighties as being the heightened time of serial killers,
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and they think that they don't happen as much now,
but they do. They do. Like there's no data to
support that it's any more back then. It's just that
we about them more because we discovered them. But you know,
you still have reck Hureman like still in modern day
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knowing you know, there's this investigation. You know, the the
law enforcement are investigating these things right now, and they
have DNA, they have cameras. There's cameras all over the place.
Everybody has them on their on their front door. But
he still gets away with it, primarily because most one
of the common traits of serraculas is they're going to
go after people that are not going to be on
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camera near homes. They're going to go after prostitutes and
right drug addicts. So this is a person that was
able to be caught because of DNA.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
You say too that he was charged with Gandhi's murder.
He was sentenced to sixty years. But he's linked you
right to fifteen suspected murders and only four murders conclusively.
But you say that some of these totals from even
well Es actually for the famous serial killers, there's a
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question of how many exactly right.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It's a matter of how you can take a look
at little who. It wasn't until you start talking to
him that he either they're going to embellish how many
they killed, or they're going to actually lead you to
their bodies and lead you to where they did it.
I mean through well they suspected of them. There's a
number of people that they suspect more of, but they
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haven't been able to link it, you know, conclusively, but
maybe they will. They're still trying to close out these
a lot of murders, so they might. This is still
relatively new in the you know, it's relatively you know,
he was back in you know, twenty seventeen, so you
still might find him being associated with more murders as
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they discover them.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
You take us to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on this serial killer
murder tour and a Marty Graham eighty six to eighty seven,
kill seven and you say this is nestled between New
York City and District of Columbia. And you say that
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Graham was born in nineteen fifty nine, diagnosed early with
mental disorders, lengthy stays in mental facilities. Tell us what
happens in the seventies when he moves out of his
parents' place, he enters.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
The workforce, you know, he moves out of his parents' house.
He you know, he was able to get a job
and move into his own place. He was known to
collect bodies. That's how the the that's how the when
they discovered in his apartment, he was almost like a hoarder.
The smell that was coming from from that place was
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was awful. But nineteen ninety eight, around eighty seven, he
was he was evicted because the smell was terrible, and
then they found out the reason why, because there was
you know, there were bodies in there.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
They found seven bodies, you say, just strown around rooms. Yeah,
when he was arrested, he still claimed innocence and his
defense was, I'm just a horder. I didn't put those
bodies in there. I didn't see them. I didn't put
them there.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, you have to go back to his mental illness too,
so to sort of explain that, you know, he I had.
There were in Philadelphia. There are two serial killers that
are kind of known for that area. There's there's also
the Franklin or Frankfurt strangler, but there was two known
ones and they were around the same time. So Marty
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Graham was one and Gary Heidnick was the other, and
they were both kind of similar. Gary Heidnick wanted I
don't have him in the book because I thought Marty's
was story was a little bit less known than Gary Heidnick,
and I wanted to highlight him. But they were around
the same time, and they and in their apartments where
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they live would not that far. They were both in
North Philadelphia, and in North Philadelphia at that time was
a pretty bad place to live. They didn't make it
any better. Let's put that way.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Let's Jesus as an opportunity to stop to hear these messages.
One of the interesting destinations is a place called Alexandria, Virginia,
and you have it as the destination twice, so featuring
two lesser known serial killers. One is Monty Ristle, and
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I'll just mention it because I just thought this was fascinating.
He kills five in seventy six to seventy seven. But
Monty Wristle was featured in season one, episode four of
twenty seventeen Netflix crime drama mind Hunter. Very very interesting
from Alexandria, Virginia.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
So because I thought that was very interesting, and why
I thought it was interesting for Alexandria is if you've
ever been to Alexandria, it's a very quat little city,
not that big. It's quaint as cobblestones. But to actually
have two serial killers from from there was kind of
mind blowing to me. And the one I highlighted. The
other one, his name is Charles Severance. He has a
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really unique backstory, like you know, he actually has a degree.
You know, he went he got a degree in uh
mechanical engineering. He stayed in and around Virginia, but he
also ran for the mayor of Alexandria, and he and
then he also ran and then he ran for congress,
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you know, in that area. So I find that very interesting.
And then after shortly after he loses his bid to
get into congress was when his murders started. And he
was known as the grudge killer because he as he
described it, or as they kind of described it, that
he had a grudge with the people that he killed,
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like a personal vendetta against them, except that were kind
of random, but because it was his grudge, but the
investigators could not really tie anything together because they were
rather random. And he would show up at their house
and kill them and then leave that he would get
in and get out pretty quickly. He would call it
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a knock talk enter kill, an exit murder.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
You say that he began killing in two thousand and
three with the wife of the county sheriff, and as
you write, she answered the doorbell and he shot her
right there. In twenty thirteen, another person was the city
transportation planner and he was gunned down at the front door.
And then twenty fourteen, music teacher Ruth Ann Ledado gun
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down at her door. And you say, you right. This
was a manifesto in bullets, a twisted crusade against the
what he saw was the corrupt elite. And the door
was his symbol, a barrier between the have and have nots.
And you say, and we could talk about it. The
trial was a carnival of madness. What was what happened
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at this trial that it was a carnival of madness.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
One thing you should note is if you ever saw
a picture of Charles, I didn't describe it in there,
but I would in the book, but I would describe
it to you now that he kind of looked like
Santa Claus if Santa Claus was a crack addict. He just,
you know, he never looked. He looked like a mad man,
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total man man. And so he was just rambling during
his trial. I was talking about conspiracy because that was
part of what drove him to go in to try
to go into politics. You know, he wanted to. He thought,
you know, the the quaint little city of Alexandria was
you know, a societal decay. But he just rambled. They've
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made things crazy during that whole time in his in
his during his trial.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
You take us to Richmond, Virginia and another lesser known
serial killer, this Timothy Wilson Spencer, the south Side Strangler,
kills five eight and nineteen eighty four to nineteen eighty eight.
But what's interesting about him is that he was a
Richmond native. You say, but the first man in history
to be convicted via DNA evidence.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Right, yeah, yeah, which is you know, as technology started,
like they were able to pinpoint his DNA and set
the presidents for future forensic justice, forensic science, every killer
is going to leave DNA pretty much. He was not
a known killer. He was known as the south Side Strangler,
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killed five people.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
You take us to Tulsa, Oklahoma and Nanny Dos kills eleven,
nineteen twenty three to October nineteen fifty four, Pulsa, Oklahoma,
aka the Lonely Hearts Killer. Tell us about Nanny Dos.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
We should understand there were more than one Lonely Hearts Killer.
But I thought Nanny Ds was interesting. How they you know,
I get that, I do. We'll go back far. So
obviously this is going back pretty far in history. She
was called the Giggling Granny because she left when they
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were investigating her. So she had a fondness, you know,
for poison, and she would poison her spouses and her kids,
which was kind of bizarre, right, But why they didn't
see I mean, she was married a number of times.
She was married four times, and they all died the
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same way. You think they would connect the dots, but
they didn't. And I get that she did travel around
from a little bit, and back then they didn't have DNA,
and they didn't really tie the local municipalities and not
talking to an other minnipelities attract these things. I don't know.
I think a red flag might be, hey, you know
you just your husband just died last year, and then
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you're remarried and that, hey, another one died, and another
one died and another one died. I mean from nineteen
fifty two the nineteen fifty four, three of her husbands died.
She was, you know, say greedy. She wanted the life
insurance money. She killed eleven people now.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
You say husbands, two children, a sister or mother, two grandsons,
and her mother in law one of her mother in laws,
to a total of eleven and when arrested, she confessed freely.
And you right, cheerfully, right, yep. You take us to Miami, Florida.
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You say, there's a lot of serial killers obviously in Florida,
but this is the Miami Strangler. So an unidentified serial
killer nine to eleven kills August sixty four to October
nineteen seventy And you right that Miami in late in
the late eighties was a seething hotbed of cocaine wars,
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neon excess and bodies washing up in the bay and
a shadowy figure was stalking the underbelly of the city.
Tell us about the Miami Strangler.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Right, So if you can put yourself during that time,
it was a hotbed of activity. You know, there are
movies about cocaine wars, so there were bodies, you know,
washing up, and there were murders because of the turf wars.
But this was going on during the same time. And
they never caught that person killed nine to they it
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was nine to eleven is what they had. The differences
between the were differences between the murders of the Miami
Strangler and the other bodies was these were kind of drifters.
They didn't they're gonna it's going to go well with
the serial murder because they're on the outskirts. You know,
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he had ligature marks around their throats and so he
would strangle them. Okay, But he had an interesting tell
because he would use silk ties and he would leave
them behind, and that's how they were tying all together.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
You're right though, that some of these people were posed
in strange, almost ritualistic ways.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Right, I mean, and other killers do that too, like
you know, Danny Rowland did the same thing, but he
was or I shouldn't say he They were set up
in a specific way to satisfy, you know, their their urges.
He had the two things he would sometimes he would
position them in certain configurations and then he would leave
a silk tie behind.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
And you write about the silk tie. It was often expensive,
sometimes even monogrammed.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
You think you would be able to tie that together, right,
I mean, but again I guess the police really wasn't.
I mean, silk ties are not going to be normal,
especially the ones that he was using, because you can
you should be able to figure out from where that
was purchased and where it was made and such. But
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that wasn't wasn't really very helpful.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
You write that despite a full scale manhunt and an investigation,
the strangler was never caught. And you write that some
believe he was a former hit man for the cartels
who took pleasure in a more personal style of murder.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah. Never, I mean, that's just what some were saying
about it not confirmed. I include that.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Let's use this as an opportunity to stop to hear
these messages. You take us to Ashland, Ohio, and Sean Great.
He kills five between two thousand and six and twenty sixteen,
and Ashland, Ohio is a suburb of Cleveland, a Cleveland
pardon me. In high school, he assaulted a girlfriend. Four
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years in prison. Once he was released, he began slaughtering women,
and it all came down to an end of his
reign of terror. After a woman Great had held hostage
for three days managed to call nine to one one
while Seawan Great was snoozing right.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
To be more specific, I think when he was in
high school he was arrested for grabbing his girlfriend's part.
He was arrested later on and then sentenced to four years.
There After he got out of high school, he was
sentenced to four years, he bounced someone to he kidnapped somebody,
bound them in bed and held him hostage, and they
were able to work their way through and call nine
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one one. You know, yes, killers have to sleep, but
you know what was in you know, you know, he
shaved shape's heart shape into the public care of the
one victim.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
You write that he wrote a news station and said
that government assistance was reason for all of the murders.
Can you explain that?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
You know, he just said, well that was why he
was waiting, a waiting trial, and you know, he wanted
to notoriety, so he wrote a news station. You know,
he just said that he didn't like the fact that
people were getting government assistants. You know, it's another conspiracy.
Then he also said later on, was that they were
already dead. You know, he wasn't really you know, he's
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once they started receiving their monthly check. So he really
didn't like the fact that people were getting you know,
government assistants.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, cleaning up the streets like many of these serial
killers claim, right, yeah, right. And you write that he
was sentenced to death and this execution is slated for
some time this year twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
That's true. He is, and we'll see if that actually happens.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
You take us to a place called Streamwood, Illinois, and
Paul Runge kills eight between June ninety five and March
ninety seven. And this is stream what is about twenty
miles away from Aurora, a suburb of Chicago. And you
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write that his very first victim. Actually actually you write
that his career started at seventeen. He kidnapped and raped
a fourteen year old girl. And of course he was
paroled in ninety four and married a woman named Charlene.
Now Charlene, there's his first victim was an acquaintance of
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his wife. So that's where the story gets very very interesting.
Hit her with a dumbbell, cut her up in the bathtub,
and she had gone to visit Charlene, and obviously no
one had seen her afterwards. Very interesting when you talk
about that. A few weeks later, a German shepherd brought
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something home. Can you tell us about what this German
shepherd brought home?
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Yeah, I brought back a leg because you know, he
cut up, he cut up the body, and the German shepherd,
I guess has a good smell, was able to brought
back the other leg in DNA. They did DNA test
on it. They found out it was a friend, the
friend of his wife, Stacy Urbal, So, so that you
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know she he was she raped, he he raped her
as well.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
You also talk about that. After this, it was next
was two sisters. They were seen last July nineteen ninety
five when they were offered a house cleaning job by
Runges and they were raped and strangled to death.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
He continues in January ninety seventy right, and raped and
strangled a thirty year old woman in her home. Then
in February killed a forty year old woman, and.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
He also burned that body. Jirota, He not only raped
and strangled, but he also burned that body. Interesting because
that was different from other things that he did.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
You're right that he killed a forty year old woman
and her ten year old daughter. He slit their throats,
and as you're right, they burned down their house. Yeah,
and then he continues with this raping, strangling and attempting
to burn with a forty three year old. Fighters find
her body when they extinguish the fire. But that's when
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law enforcement, you say, becomes suspicious, not only of Paul Runch,
but also of his wife Charlene.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
I mean they searched runs house. They didn't really find
too much. They found interesting things like a stun gun
and stuff, but they didn't find anything that oh sorry,
they did find a knife, and you know, because he
was a convicted felon before he was convicted of a
possession of a weapon. I mean, he confessed to the
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five murders, right, and she was granted immunity for her cooperation,
which is odd because if you confess for the five member,
what does she need immunity for? Because she was probably
implicated in some fashion.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Well, immunity seems to indicate that they didn't have enough
physical or material out evidence, enough evidence to convict him readily.
So they offer immunity for her cooperation because obviously no
eye witnesses, but also probably a lack of physical evidence.
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And so that's the only reason, because you normally don't
see immunity, you see a reduced sentence for cooperation. So
there must have been something where.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
And she was something.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, you say that he was sentenced to death,
but later his sentence was united to life. You take
us to Aurora, Illinois, and Bruce Lindall. He kills twelve
or more from seventy six to eighty one, again very
much like almost every one of these lesser known criminals
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and the more famous, more infamous criminals. In the beginning,
it starts with minor criminal charges, even petty crime, but
until nineteen seventy five, he rapes a twenty year old
girl at gunpoint, but again very similar to many of
these other stories, he's not charged, and shortly after he's
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pulled over by police for a traffic violation, so they
find an unconscious woman in the back seat bleeding from
her head. She had been sexually assaulted. After that, no
charges filed.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
YEP.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
January seventy six, a sixteen year old was raped and strangled.
Three years later the body was found of a nineteen
year old was found in the Fox River, missing for
a month. And he's write that June nineteen eighty Lyndall
abducted a twenty five year old and took her to
his apartment and raped her and then he fell asleep.
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What did luckily, what did this woman be able to do?
Speaker 3 (44:00):
She was able to escape. Cops came back and arrested him,
and then the woman went missing. And because of that,
the charges were dropped because most of her the case
depended on her testimony. Then they later found her body,
that's why she went missing. Another fail, right.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Well, another fail was releasing him on bail.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Yeah right, I mean released him on bail.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
But you write that in April nineteen eighty one, the
Lindhall attacks an eighteen year old girl, stabbed or stabbing
him twenty eight times, and during the attack, Lindall accidentally
stevers his own femeral artery right, causing his own death right.
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And you write that DNA has been used to link
him to two more murders.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Yes, the phrase cuts bow tways interesting.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
You have another very interesting serial killer, Donald Francis Nemachek
Gills five seventy four to seventy six, Ogala, Kansas, three
hours northwest of Kansas City. Right, this is nineteen seventy four.
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You take us to and there's two women, young women
and a three year old daughter in a truck. What
does Francis Donald Nemechek do when he sees these people?
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Took out a gun and shot at the retires. He
abducted them and took him to a farmhouse. I see
he you know sexually assaulted the woman, then shot them both.
He left the boy to live. Bit That boy actually
died of hypothermia because he was outside.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
You're right. In summer of nineteen seventy four, Continuing, he
rides past a young girl on her bicycle and he
exposes himself. So she says, you stupid bastard, you think
you're funny. So what does he do as a result
of this insult?
Speaker 3 (46:21):
He regards he kind of didn't like that remark, and
put her into her trapped and raper and stab her
to death and then left your body near a wheatfield.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
You take us to August, he abducts a sixteen year
old girl, the last person scene with her, and the
Prince linked him to the crime scene. They searched his
camper and he had photos he had taken of the
victims' bodies. Yes, he was charged with five murders, found guilty,
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sentence to life without parole or pardon me, actually prole
eligibility after fifteen years. You write that he is eligible
for parole first first eligibility July twenty twenty seven, when
he'll be seventy seven years old.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
That's right. We'll see how that goes. In a couple
of years.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
What did you This is the second book and you
wrote that you had the serial Quote of the Day
is your former book and also with the assistance of
Brian Whitney. Author Brian Whitney tell us about the what
you took away from the writing from this entire book
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project with the Serial Killer Travel Guide across America.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
I'm a curious guy. I don't view myself as an
expert on things, but I was curious to see if
there is if you can make a try got about
this thing, if you can actually travel from one place
to another visiting these places, which you can. But I
also found that there is a number of serial killers
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out there that have never been found. Like we mentioned,
you know, the Miami strangler and such, it's never been found,
and I thought that was still very interesting. So I
learned a lot during this process to learn that in
Honolulu there was a strangler that was never found. I mean,
that's a beautiful place, but even even in beautiful places,
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you're going to have horrific experiences. So it was it
was interesting to discover as I went from place to place.
I'm visited a number of these places, but it was
also interesting to discover it and learn.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
You write in this book that this is a blood
slicked map of the American psyche, where the interstates stick together,
a quilt of or each patch soaked in different shades
of crimson, a state by state descent into the mythos
of monsters who walked among us, shopping at the same safeways,
(49:12):
pumping gas at the same texacos, smiling through the same
PTA meetings.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
It's about right. That's what Seriah killers do right. Seriah
killers are not spree killers. They're not They're going to
be They're going to be people that live in that
community that you're probably going to be sitting standing behind
in a safeway. That's what makes them intriguing, and that's
what makes it this story that much more compelling.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
You're also right. Let this guide be your roadmap through
the underbelly of the American dream, a dream where the
picket fences hide crawl spaces and the neighbors never hear
the screams because they're too busy watering the lawn. Read
will go deep into the heart of darkness and not
(50:04):
bringing a return ticket. God bless America, she needs it.
I want to thank you so much for coming on
and talking about the Serial Killer Travel Guide Across America,
your Coast to Coast Tour of Terror. For those people
that want to find out more about this book and
(50:25):
your other work, can you refer us to a website
and any social media you do.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Sure. I want to thank you for having me on
your show. Thank you. It was fun. You can reach
me at Johnny Trevisaoni dot com and from there there
are my socials on there, but I have Johnny Travisaonnie author,
on Facebook and on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Thank you very much, Johnny Travesani for coming on and
talking about the Serial Killer Travel Guide Across America, your
coast to Coast Tour of Terror. It's been a fascinating interview.
Thank you so much, and you have a great evening
and good night. Thank you, thank you,
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