November 10, 2025 • 45 mins
Linda and Mike take a deeper look at The Great Blackout of 1965 that covered most of the northeast United States and a large portion of Canada. This episode was recorded live at the Pine Bush UFO Museum in Pine Bush, New York. Follow us on Facebook and Instagram to see where our next live show will pop up!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
This is Travis Walton and you are listening to UFO Headquarters,
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
Welcome to UFO Headquarters here on Hudson River Radio. Michael
Wardon with Linda Zimmerman and Linda, I'll leave the honor
to you to reveal.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Very exciting because we're having a live audience today. I
want to say studio because we're in the Pine Bush
UFO and Paranormal Museum.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
And very fitting for us as we are very paranormal
and it's just a very cool environment. We have a
triangle floating overhead.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh it's great, a little gray alien standing like you,
and we are covering the nineteen sixty five blackout. This
is it's the actual sixtieth anniversary as we speak of
that event, which.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Is insane to think that we get to do the
show on the anniversary. I'm looking forward to this.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So we will be back after a short break.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Hudson River Radio dot Com.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
And welcome back. We are live at the Pine Bush
UFO Museum in Pine Bush, New York, which is like
the ground zero for UFO activity here in the Northeast,
if not the United States, and we are with a
live studio audience. Can we hear the audience make some noise?
All right, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Might have to call security on these people.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So, Linda, we have an awesome show. We are celebrating
the Great Blake Blackout of nineteen sixty five on the
anniversary of a great blackout.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yes, I am very thankful to the museum for hosting this.
I came up with this idea a couple of months ago.
I'm like, Lance, the night of the Blackout, the sixtieth
anniversary gets yeah, yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. So, yeah,
I'm thankful to the museum for the opportunity and this
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really Hopefully by the end of the night you'll be saying,
how did I never know any of this? So the
Great Blackout of sixty five, My recollection of that marbles
is what, Yes, I've lost them. But my brother I
was very little. My brother and I were playing on
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the living room floor and we had a coffee can
of my dad's marbles, and I don't you know, we're
being little kids. We knocked it over marbles the entire
floor and that's when the lights went out. My mother was.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Miffed.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
She was she said yoo, kids. It's pitch black and
the floor is covered with marbles. So she found a flashlighter,
candle or whatever and we picked up These are the
actual marbles. I still have my dad's marble collections, so
these are the blackout marbles. So for those of you
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who cannot see this, I have a map up now
of the coverage of the blackout, A large part of Canada,
New York, almost all the New England States, northern New Jersey,
parts of Pennsylvania. It was thirty million people in nineteen
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sixty five were affected. The blackout began around five seventeen PM,
and by five twenty eight the whole area was out.
It lasted as much as thirteen hours, I think. I
think where we were it didn't come on till morning,
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or I was already sound asleep by the time it
came on. But in New York City, over almost a
million people were trapped in subways and elevators. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, that's terrifying.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Do you recall when we were doing an investigation at
Rolling Hills Asylum. Yes, we had just had we just
about to get in an elevator or at the hotel
or just out.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I think we were just about to get on, but
it wasn't enough room.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yes, that was it. We were just about to get
on the elevator and we couldn't get on, and I'm like, God,
now we have to wait for the next one. The
elevator broke and got stuck, and it was well over
an hour that they were on there. So yeah, so
that makes me nervous just thinking about trapped on an
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elevator for an hour, let alone thirteen or a subway.
So this was a huge, huge deal. Obviously, my dad
was working in Connecticut at the time and we were
living in Rockland County, New York, and he got home
really late and there were no traffic lights. There were
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no street lights. It was total chaos. So you can
imagine a few hundreds of thousands of people coming to
intersections with no direction. You know, poor traffic cops, anybody
who could was out trying to direct traffic. I thought
it was really cool because we ate by candlelight. I
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think I recall my mother making spaghetti. We had a
gas stove. If you had an electric stove, you were
eating cold cookies. And so to me, it was all
very exciting, you know, very little. Once I picked up
the marbles and my mother didn't want to kill me
any longer. So for a lot of people, that was it.
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That was the night. There was a lot more to it. Obviously,
Popular Mechanics still a magazine that's popular today. If you
talk about down to earth, nuts and bolts, serious magazine
for generations, it's been Popular Mechanics. I have a cover
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here and for those who can see this, look at
that headline there by the arrow. Did flying saucers cause
the blackout? What I mean? Popular Mechanics with that, and
inside was this illustration of the Exeter incident. We've I
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think we've covered that on the show, at least in
part Exeter, New Hampshire, just in September of that year,
the UH there was this huge UH sightings and craft
over power lines? And so did these craft? Were these
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craft scene over power lines? Could they have possibly caused
a blackout? Yes? What was official explanation number one?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Mike, Oh geez, I'm trying to remember what that one was.
You're usually pretty bad. Venus of the faulty relay switch. Yes, sorry,
not venus. Yeah, faulty relay switch was overloaded in a
power station by Syracuse, New York closing cascading failures off
the grid.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Then they decided, now that wasn't it. So here's official
explanation number two.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
A faulty relay switch was overloaded and the Sir Adam
Beck power station in Canada. That's blame Canyada. That's it
causing cascady failures throughout the grid.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
This is the excuse.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yes, which stands today is the official Yes, it.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Still stands today as the blame Canadian. But there was
a problem with that. If there were faulty relays, burned
out equipment, faulty equipment, how come the power was restored
without replacing any parts. Okay, if your toaster blows a fuse,
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it won't you don't say, well, I'll let it sit
there overnight and maybe it'll work tomorrow. No, it right?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
How did how did the power come back on and
the supposed faulty fuses.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Without having fixed anything? Right? Right? So?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, still doesn't mean UFOs did it. So this is
an illustration. I will try to describe it for our
podcast audience. Base map of New York and the massive
power lines. You know, obviously a lot of hydroelectric electricity
in the Niagara Falls area in Canada would go to
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the east through Rochester and Syracuse, where it would then
match up with north south lines going up to northern
New York and then down right through the Hudson Valley
to New York City. So once that bleww, you can
see how the whole grid was going to collapse. Okay,
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so let's get to possible sightings where the red circle is.
And for those of you at home, just south of Erie, Pennsylvania,
I hope I'm saying this right titty Ute, Pennsylvania. Anybody
know that town? It sounds good someplace in Pennsylvania. At
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four twenty pm, so about an hour before the blackout,
commercial pilots Jerry Whittaker and George Kroneger again commercial pilots
are in Whittaker's plane. They radio the tower that they're
watching two shiny discs which were being chased by military jets.
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A sudden burst of speed and the shiny discs took off.
That's a pretty good sighting that.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Is, and that's very common when we hear about military
chasing these objects, is they'll keep up for a while
and then the objects will just like tease them and.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Boom yes, yes, And so for commercial pilots. It probably
wasn't in their best interest to talk about UFOs if
you want to keep your commercial pilots business. Point in time,
right right, yes, so Syracuse area. Okay, at five twenty
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two pm, right before the lights went out there at
the International Airport in Syracuse, Ranato Puccini, who was an
orchestra conductor, lands at the Syracuse airport with his wife.
He meets up with these two Paccini brothers. There's Puccini's everywhere.
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His two brothers are engineers, okay, so highly technical. As
the six of them are driving away from the airport,
they see a very bright, bright light. They said it
was like a sinking motion. But it took several minutes,
so it wasn't a meteor. It took several minutes to
sink down. And when they lost sight of it when
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it was in Syracuse, that's when the power went out. Okay,
that does not sound like a faulty relay switch, does it. No,
sounds like something coming down and losing power. I did
a bunch of digging and found quite a lot of
newspaper articles. Ball of fire in blackout is the headline.
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Flying overhead airport aid saw lights go out. Assistant Aviation
Commissioner Robert Walsh was flying over Hancock Field at about
fifteen hundred feet when the power went out. How terrifying
is that the whole ground goes black?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Right, completely lose all your orientation.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yes, and you wonder is it World War three?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
You know what's going on?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah? Terrorism did a bomb drop somewhere sabotage. So he
regained his composure. He was actually able to land in
the dark, and he and a few other pilots are
standing on the dark runway talking when they see a
massive fireball. They described it one hundred feet in the
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air and one hundred and fifty feet in diameter. Again,
doesn't sound like a faulty relay switch. They don't tend
to cause fireballs in the air. So here's the picture
of the actual guy went on the record. He didn't
say it was a UFO. He said, you know, but
we saw fireballs, okay. Other pilots, flight instructor, okay, somebody
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who knows his business, you hope Weldon Ross. He's with
student James Brooking. They are in the air looking down
in the Syracuse area and describe a glowing red hot
globe in the air. Guess where it was over the
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power lines leading to the Niagara power Plant. Okay, the
plot thickens, Okay, And all this has been in the
newspapers and newspaper archives and nobody really talks about it anymore.
The here's another headline, flying fireball photographed the sexton of
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the one of the local churches with his there's a
picture of him here with his camera and his telescope.
He actually photographed it. So these are not the greatest pictures,
but it clearly shows some sort of bright light anomaly
in the sky. And he looked at it with his
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telescope and what to the naked eye looked just like fireballs.
He said he could see a structure in it with
that was kind of rotating inside. So these were not
just bursts of flame. There was some sort of structured right, kind.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Of a craft or some structure inside of the fireball. Right.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
So there were over one hundred reports of glowing objects
and fireballs just in the Syracuse area right before and
imediately after the blackout. Official excuse, you got to read
this because it makes me crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Burning at local dumps.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So reporters contacted the two local dumps and said were
you burning garbage at the time? And they said no.
In fact, the one he said, the guy who was
on duty closed up at five pm, twenty minutes before
the the uh the blackout and went home. And the
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other we don't even burn garbage. So they had to
they had to say something.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
And what would you burn in one hundred feet by
one hundred and fifty feet across.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
And in the air.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
It floating in the air. I mean, that's just again
it goes back to all the crazy arguments we hear
debunking or allegedly debunking site right right, this is a
really good one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
With venus and swamp gas, we can now add burning
burning garbage. Okay, so that's Syracuse. I think we've established
there were anomalous objects and lights around the power lines
and the city right before the power went out. Okay,
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have a picture here of the Sir Adam Beck hydro
electric plant in Niagara Falls. I had to look up.
Did you know who's Sir Adam Beck? Never heard of him.
He was the man who started the Canadian hydro Electric
Power Commission. So when you do that, you get a
big power plant named after you. And this was if
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you see again for those who are here today. In
the background, do you see that little fuzzy area. Can
you see? Let's see if I can, I believe that's
the mist rising up from the falls. If you've ever
been to Niagara Falls, you know the mist that rises.
So enormous amount of hydro electric energy is generated in
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this area. So the blame Canada excuse is that it
all started here. What did Supervising engineer of Ontario hydro
Electric Jim Harris say about this?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's incredible. I would have said that it was impossible
if I hadn't seen the evidence, right, because they had
seen round glowing objects, a sudden surge of power described
as a tidal wave of power one point one million kilowatts, right, inexplicable.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yes, And I of course then I had to look up,
well what's a million kilowatts? Well, a million kilowatts could
power over a million modern homes with all our electrical
gadgets for an hour, So that's an enormous amount of power.
A million kilowatts just doesn't suddenly you know, hey we
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got an extra million kilowatts. Isn't that great?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
And come in like a title wave. The description is
says it all it had right where to come from?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Where to come from? So Canadian power authorities denied, denied, No,
there were no strange lights over the power plant. Absolutely not.
It's ridiculous. After many, many, many reports of strange lights
over the power plant were made public, they were in
the newspapers, they changed their story. Okay, maybe there were
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a lot of strange lights over the generating stations right
before the power went up, but they had nothing to
do with the blackout. So yes, yes, that is very bad,
very bad. Backpennal. At least they didn't say it was
a lot of Canadians burning garbage. So we've got that
all right. So I think we've established anomalous objects over
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Syracuse and the Canadian power plant. Okay, so what else
was going on?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Well?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Doctor James McDonald a very controversial figure because he was
a brilliant physicist senior atmospheric physicist at the University of Arizona,
but he dared to talk about UFOs back then. In
an address to the United Nations June seventh, nineteen sixty seven,
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he declared that UFOs were the number one scientific problem.
People tried to destroy his career because of this, and
he also talked about the power failures and the connections
with UFOs the House Committee on Science he attended July
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twenty ninth, nineteen sixty eight, and he suggested a link
between power failures and UFOs, which was great heresy then,
including the Great blackout of six So what did he
say to them?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Even the famous one, the New York blackout, involved UFO sightings.
Doctor Heinik probably would be the most appropriate man to
describe the Manhattan sighting, since he interviewed several witnesses involved.
I interviewed a woman in Seacliff, New York. She saw
a disc covering and going up and down and then
shooting away from New York just after the power failure.
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I went to the Federal Power Commission for data. They
didn't take them seriously, although they had many dozens of
sighting reports for that famous evening. There were reports all
over New England in the midst of that blackout.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
So there it is the Power Commission. We don't want
to hear about it. It's nonsense. But here's again a
brilliant scientist who declares, there were reports all over New
England in the midst of that blackout. So we have
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Syracuse New York, we have Canada power stations and now
all over New England. Okay, what about this little town
called pine Bush. Well, I did some digging, and there
was a teacher who was that night was headed to
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parent teacher conferences in the pine Bush school system. He
was going from Middletown, probably taking three to two up
through Circleville, Bulville, Thompson's Ridge, and as he's approaching pine Bush,
he sees a blue, brilliant ball of light. He described
it as arcing through the sky. He said, from cloud
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to cloud that kind of I don't see that. Then
as one smooth arc, it's like it was arcing between clouds,
almost like trying to hide betweind behind the clouds. So again,
not a meteor. So he gets to the school. Of course,
all the powers out and they're canceling the conferences. But
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he's about to tell them his story when some other
teachers said, did you hear what's going on in Middletown?
Because back in Middletown many witnesses saw classic flying saucer
a disk hovering over the Middletown train station. So within
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minutes of one another at the beginning of this blackout,
in this tiny little area in this small part of
the whole country. We have two UFO sightings by numerous witnesses.
So I said, if we can extrapolate that out to
the rest of the country, if we had two one
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in Pine Bush and you know different ones Blue Orb
and Flying Sauce are here, what the hell was going
on across the rest of the right?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
How many other sightings went unreported?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, the US and Canada. Okay ah, I have a
nice picture up here of Stuart Whitman. Sorry, sorry, everybody
can't see this, but Stuart Whitman was I Google him,
Email me, I'll send you the picture. Stuart Whitman was
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a very famous UH actor back in the day. He
was in the Longest Day, which was about d Day.
He's with John Wayne here in the Comonchero's and he
did a lot of TV shows in his later career.
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He wasn't he wasn't just a gorgeous honk of man there.
He was nominated for an Academy Award, for six Emmys,
for six Golden Globes, so he was an actor of
some great accomplishment. He was trapped on the twelfth floor
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of a hotel room in Manhattan the night of November ninth,
during the blackout, and he said that he was awakened
by a whistling noise from outside his room. He gets up,
goes to the window. He's perfectly conscious. Standing up, he
sees two UFOs outside the window. And what did he
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say about them?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
One of them was orange and the other was blue.
They gave off a strange luminescent light, so I couldn't
see if there were portholes or who was in them.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
So I have to emphasize the orange. And this is
what he saw. Now, we just talked about the blue
UFO in Pine Bush and many of the reports remember
the orange fireballs and so, and there were other reports
of blue. So he this is good because he's not
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the only ones. He's not saying they were purple spotted.
He's saying orange and blue, which a lot of other
but it gets straight talk about. Here's some high strangeness
for you. What else did he say happened? Then?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Then I heard them speaking to me as if they
were unallowed speaker. They spoke to me in English. It
may not have been audible to anyone else. I was
probably tuned to the right wavelength. They said they wanted
to talk to me because I appeared to have no
malice or hate in my soul. They said they were
feel fearful of Earth because Earthlings were messing around with
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unknown quantities and might disrupt the balance of the universe
on their planet. They said the blackout was just a
little demonstration of their power and that they could do
a lot more with almost no effort. It served as
a warning. They said that they could stop our whole
planet from functioning. They asked me to do what I
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could to fight malice, prejudice, and hate on Earth, and
then they took off. I felt elated. I wasn't even shocked.
I was standing by the window and awake the entire time.
I don't know why they picked me as a contact,
but I'll swear off a bible that I saw them
out there and that they talked to me.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
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Speaker 3 (26:25):
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Speaker 1 (26:33):
Okay, pretty wild, But how many schoolyard sightings have we
talked about where the little kids were getting the message
you're ruining your planet your you know nuclear weapons are dangerous,
you know? Uh, so it fits in with that. Again,
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he was an actor of some repute. It didn't help that.
He I'm sure, put this statement out, but he swore
to it to the rest of his life. He never
changed his story. He never embellished. So you know, he's
a crazy B, drunk, C hallucinating or d. Maybe it happened.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Right, Maybe he's telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Maybe he's telling the truth. So yeah, it's it's crazy. Okay,
why is this man putting his finger on his nose?
I have a picture up here of Bob Schultz. He
was an electrical engineer from Minnesota. He later on joined
mufon because of what happened to him, or he thinks
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happened to him. The night of the Great Blackout. He
was in Bethpage, New York, at the Grumm and Aircraft
plant in Long Island. That was big, big business back there.
He was installing a digital display. Ooh, that was nineteen
sixty five.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
That had to have been something to see advanced.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yes, and it was going to take him a week
to install this digital display. Okay, So what happened to
mister Schultz? The power goes out, he can't work, obviously
ed Grum. So he goes to his hotel and he
goes to bed and thinks he just sleeps through the night.
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He wakes up he has some breathing problems, specifically where
he's pointing on the right side of his nose. Then
he doesn't know what that doesn't pay much attention. This
is so weird, he says. Two days later, he's he's
in Grumming and he's walking through an office to get
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to where he's installing this display, and this very distraught
woman who works there runs up to him and says,
can I touch your nose? He's like, what, there's a
pickup line. I wouldn't I wouldn't recommend it. No, And
she's like, can I touch your nose? He's like, okay,
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So she runs her finger along his nose, freaks out,
runs out of the office, quits on the spot, and
just takes off all right. He's like, I didn't do
anything to her, So you know, everybody's looking at him, like,
what did you do to her? He had never seen
her before, but she later told a friend, I think
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I know him from somewhere, and if it's where I think,
I don't want to have anything to do with them.
That's rather cryptic, right, That's that'll get you called down
to HR. Although in sixty five, not so much, not
so much. Okay, So thirty years past, thirty five years,
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his nose is still bothering him. He goes to a
surgeon and gets X rays and a CT scan and
the surgeon says to him, well, what did you have
this previous surgery for. There's all this scar tissue up
up your nose and in your sinuses. And he's like,
I've never had surgery. No, look at you've had surgery
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up there. He didn't know what to say, and he said,
we can do more surgery to correct it, but it's
so close to the brain there are risks. So at
that point, you know, I think I'll live with it.
So he was trying to figure out what went on,
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and he heard somebody talk about abductions and implants, particularly
in the nose, and he's like, oh, that's crazy. He's like,
what could it have happened to me the night of
the blackout? And then he's thinking, is that where I
met the woman? Because he heard somebody talk about they
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were somewhere and saw somebody that, like, you really look familiar,
and then they realized they said they had been abducted together,
and that's where they met it's a stretch, But how
else do you explain this crazy woman and what went
on in his sinuses? So you think, okay, maybe that's the.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
End of it.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
What am I going to do about it? Well, in
two thousand and five, he's talking to doctor Leo Sprinkle.
Sprinkle was very prominent psychologist who was also interested in
UFOs and paranormal and Sprinkle just comes out and says,
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do you think you have an implant in your nose?
He's like, what is with these questions? He's like, I
don't know it, because you know, I think you did.
I think you got an implant the night of the blackout.
So here's doctor Leo Sprinkle. He wrote books, he gave lectures,
he did hypnosis. Again, he was someone legitimate scientist who
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dared to talk about parasitology and UFOs. How does a
guy like this come to think the guy he's sitting
out hanging hanging out with has an implant in his nose? Well,
what's the first thing?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Under hypnosis? He recalled that when he was in the
fifth grade, he was taking a border spacecraft looking at stars.
A tall man told him to learn to read and
write well so he could someday help others become aware,
and we do.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Hear this a lot with people who are prominent in
the field. They had an experience that kind of so,
but that's not all that happened to doctor Leo Sprinkle.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
In the fall of nineteen forty nine, he and a
fellow student, Joe Wagoner, watched a flying saucer or daylight
disc moving over the campus at the University of Colorado
and Boulder.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So again, no missing time that he knows of, but
he and his friend I love they called it a
daylight disc as opposed to just lights. In the broad daylight,
they see the classic flying saucer.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
But then, during the Great Blackout of nineteen sixty five,
doctor Leo Sprinkle was in upstate New York and he
said he was abducted and had an implant placed in
his nose. Not a tracking device, they know where you are.
It's a programming device. You and I and hundreds of
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others that night were programmed to speak about and get
out the information about ETS.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Well, that puts a chill down yourself, up and down
your very FID. Yeah. So yeah, so he's talked looking
to Bob Schultz and you know Schultz says to him, Well,
what do you think these implants are tracking devices?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (34:08):
No, they know where you are. They don't need tracking devices.
And then a programming device. But the kicker here is
doctor Leo Sprinkle. Again, very prominent scientists said to Bob Schultz,
you and I and hundreds of others that night were abducted, implanted, programmed. Now,
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doctor Leo Sprinkle's papers are at the University of Colorado.
They're not available online. I've tried. If anybody's going to
the University of Colorado soon, I'll pay you to h
I have to get there and shit, yeah, because I
want if he's making a statement hundreds of others that night,
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who did he interview? What proof does he have wouldn't
make this statement? And who knows? Maybe he has a
stack of ah, but I have one locally here. Uh.
Last person I want to talk about Kathy Hagar. Hagar
(35:18):
she was the one who we've talked about that amazing
cornwall sighting where some people saw disc excuse yeah, discs,
some people saw a triangle. Well that wasn't her first
UFO rodeo. The night of the Great Blackout, she was
living in this house. You can see a typical high
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ranch in Sparkhill, spark Hill Avenue in Tappan, New York,
which is Rockland County, and you can see the second floor.
It's great. She had these pictures. You see the second floor.
No one can stand on the ground and look in. Okay,
so the lights are out. She from her bedroom window
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can see the happen Ze Bridge and she sees a
emergency vehicles and boats and planes. She doesn't know what's
going on that you know, there's a big blackout or
what's going on around the bridge. And she said, between
nine thirty and ten pm, she got up to use
the bathroom. She's in the bathroom and this is not
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what you want to hear when you're in the bathroom.
She hears a voice say, hello, look over here, all right.
Never a good.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Thing, No, it's not. Never.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
This is a picture of Kathy at around that time.
She looks up at the bathroom window and sees this.
For those who cannot see it, what would we call
this a reptile looking reptilian? Reptilian? Listen, yeah, yeah, she
made this sketch. This thing is looking at her and
(36:54):
she made a great series of sketches. For those who
cannot see it. I will describe it. She's looking at
the window, sees this face, and she said the wall
became like a lava lamp, like shifting and pulsing. And
how many times have we heard that? People said either
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the wall or the ceiling just kind of shimmers and
fades away. And she says she has taken out this
opening that was made and scary part you can see her.
She made a sketch of herself strapped to a table
with a very frown face and these creatures around her
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with instruments and all this, and you know, it's a
very involved story. But once they're done with her, she's
back in the bathroom and her parents are like, hysterical,
where have you been? Why is the door locked? She
did not lock the door. They she got, you know,
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and she's just dazed and what what are you going
to you know, what are you going to tell your parents?
And the last thing they said to her before they
brought her back is I'll be watching you. Not a
good night. No. But again, this was the night of
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the blackout. Okay, so either everybody had made up stories
or a lot of this actually happened. So was it
hundreds of people throughout New England. We haven't even talked
about abductions in Canada. I need to get that data.
Was it hundreds that night? Did they cause this blackout
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to teach us a lesson? And then hey, while the
lights are out, let's grab everybody. It's just one of
the most remarkable nights in US history. Even if it
you even if none of this is true, just the
whole blackout and what people went through, but if one
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tenth of what I just talked about really happened, it's
a stunning, stunning night. So every major magazine had articles
Life newsweek Time. Remember when there were magazines and you
picked them up and you physically read them. Of course
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all the newspapers. And I love this photo here. You
can go and google NBC News that night. They were
running their cameras on emergency backup generators, but they didn't
have lights. So here this man is broadcasting by candlelight.
I mean, that is amazing. And then a few years later,
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of course you have to make a romantic comedy with
Taris Day called where were You When the Lights Went Out?
I think I saw it years ago. I don't know
that i'd recommend it, but just from the historical context,
or if you're Dars Day fan, you know that's all right,
you can be a Dars Day fans. Most of the
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young people who are listening now like, who the hell
is Dar's Day? So it was a huge thing culturally.
Everyone had a story, and some people had some stories
it took them years to come out and talk about.
And some people don't even know what happened to them
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that night, but suspect that something happened. So the question
is where were you when the lights went out? And
if you're not old enough, ask your parents and your grandparents,
particularly in the Pine Bush area. I have to find out.
I have to track down doctor Jon Heinez reports on
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the people he interviewed a New New York City. I
bet Canada has some stories to tell. I saw something
the other day. I haven't been able to follow. Somebody said, oh, yeah,
that night Hollister, Massachusetts, they had a lot of activity.
I never heard of Hollister, Massachusetts. I'm trying to track
down stories from there. So there was widespread activity, there
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were pockets of concentrated activity. So, Mike, did you have
any idea what happened when the lights went out?
Speaker 3 (41:29):
No? I was not a fignman in my parents' imagination,
not quite yet. But I'm going to ask them if
they remember. They would have been close to seniors in
high school, I think, yeah, So I'll have to ask
them if they remember where they were or what they
what they did during the the Great Blackout.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah. I mean, you know, clearly I lost my marbles
that night. But other than that, I wish I had
gone outside and looked up and who knows, who knows
what happened that night. So if you have everyone out there,
I know we have a lot of listeners all over
(42:06):
the country and actually around the world, believe it or not,
But if you were part of that blackout and you
saw something, or you know somebody who saw something, yeah, definitely,
please let me know, let us know. And if you were,
you know, not old enough, ask your parents and your grandparents,
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because there are stories out there still, I have no doubt.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
And they may be people that were reluctant to speak
about it back at that time and then over the
years it just never really had the opportunity to revisit it.
It's never come up in conversation, right, or they've just
never had anybody ask them.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, or they were embarrassed about it. The ridicule, I mean,
it's obviously it's a lot less ridicule nowadays than it
certainly was in the sixties. And check your local newspapers too,
if you you know, if you're somebody who looks in
newspaper archives, look around that time. See what see If
(43:06):
anybody who's out there burning garbage, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Know, they go to their local library, if they have
local newspapers on microfilm, even if they look around the
day range, it shouldn't take long. And yeah, we would
love to see them.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
So I here by deputize all listeners to go out
there and see what you can find about this, and
maybe we'll have to do Blackout part two. Part two
definitely all right, So Mike take us out in your
own inimitable style.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Well, once again, thank you for all joining us. And
if I can just one more time, if we're our
studio audience here has been great. We have an awesome audience.
Reminding everybody that while we've been talking about this blackout,
it's been done in front of a studio audience at
the Pine Bush UFO Museum.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Can we hear it and we hear around it?
Speaker 3 (43:54):
I love it. I love that we have to do
more often like shows.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yes, yeah, it's fun to doing it. You know, zoom
is convenient, but it's nice to do it in front
of an audience.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
And we do recommend people check out the Pine Bush
Museum dot com. You can find them on all different
social media and it's worth the visit. If you are
anywhere near a two hour drive through hour drive, it
is worth the drive out to Pine Bush Museum. There's
so much to do in the area, but the museum
should be the highlight of your visit.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yes, and we have to thank the French Confection Connection
just a few doors down for the I have DIBs
on one of those cupcakes over there. But yeah, it's
been a lot of fun. I want to thank the
museum for the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
And if Linda doesn't get a cupcake, there's going to
be another blackout tonight, so the anniversary will become a
whole nother incident. But once again, thank you for listening.
You can catch up with us on any of your
podcast platforms. Until next time, Keep here, Eyes on the
sky
Speaker 1 (45:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
This is Travis Walton and you are listening to UFO Headquarters,
beautiful headquarters.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Welcome to UFO Headquarters here on Hudson River Radio. Michael
Wardon with Linda Zimmerman and Linda, I'll leave the honor
to you to reveal.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Very exciting because we're having a live audience today. I
want to say studio because we're in the Pine Bush
UFO and Paranormal Museum.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
And very fitting for us as we are very paranormal
and it's just a very cool environment. We have a
triangle floating overhead.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh it's great, a little gray alien standing like you,
and we are covering the nineteen sixty five blackout. This
is it's the actual sixtieth anniversary as we speak of
that event, which.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Is insane to think that we get to do the
show on the anniversary. I'm looking forward to this.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So we will be back after a short break.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Hudson River Radio dot Com.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
And welcome back. We are live at the Pine Bush
UFO Museum in Pine Bush, New York, which is like
the ground zero for UFO activity here in the Northeast,
if not the United States, and we are with a
live studio audience. Can we hear the audience make some noise?
All right, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Might have to call security on these people.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So, Linda, we have an awesome show. We are celebrating
the Great Blake Blackout of nineteen sixty five on the
anniversary of a great blackout.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yes, I am very thankful to the museum for hosting this.
I came up with this idea a couple of months ago.
I'm like, Lance, the night of the Blackout, the sixtieth
anniversary gets yeah, yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. So, yeah,
I'm thankful to the museum for the opportunity and this
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really Hopefully by the end of the night you'll be saying,
how did I never know any of this? So the
Great Blackout of sixty five, My recollection of that marbles
is what, Yes, I've lost them. But my brother I
was very little. My brother and I were playing on
(02:45):
the living room floor and we had a coffee can
of my dad's marbles, and I don't you know, we're
being little kids. We knocked it over marbles the entire
floor and that's when the lights went out. My mother was.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Miffed.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
She was she said yoo, kids. It's pitch black and
the floor is covered with marbles. So she found a flashlighter,
candle or whatever and we picked up These are the
actual marbles. I still have my dad's marble collections, so
these are the blackout marbles. So for those of you
(03:30):
who cannot see this, I have a map up now
of the coverage of the blackout, A large part of Canada,
New York, almost all the New England States, northern New Jersey,
parts of Pennsylvania. It was thirty million people in nineteen
(03:53):
sixty five were affected. The blackout began around five seventeen PM,
and by five twenty eight the whole area was out.
It lasted as much as thirteen hours, I think. I
think where we were it didn't come on till morning,
(04:15):
or I was already sound asleep by the time it
came on. But in New York City, over almost a
million people were trapped in subways and elevators. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, that's terrifying.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Do you recall when we were doing an investigation at
Rolling Hills Asylum. Yes, we had just had we just
about to get in an elevator or at the hotel
or just out.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I think we were just about to get on, but
it wasn't enough room.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yes, that was it. We were just about to get
on the elevator and we couldn't get on, and I'm like, God,
now we have to wait for the next one. The
elevator broke and got stuck, and it was well over
an hour that they were on there. So yeah, so
that makes me nervous just thinking about trapped on an
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elevator for an hour, let alone thirteen or a subway.
So this was a huge, huge deal. Obviously, my dad
was working in Connecticut at the time and we were
living in Rockland County, New York, and he got home
really late and there were no traffic lights. There were
(05:28):
no street lights. It was total chaos. So you can
imagine a few hundreds of thousands of people coming to
intersections with no direction. You know, poor traffic cops, anybody
who could was out trying to direct traffic. I thought
it was really cool because we ate by candlelight. I
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think I recall my mother making spaghetti. We had a
gas stove. If you had an electric stove, you were
eating cold cookies. And so to me, it was all
very exciting, you know, very little. Once I picked up
the marbles and my mother didn't want to kill me
any longer. So for a lot of people, that was it.
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That was the night. There was a lot more to it. Obviously,
Popular Mechanics still a magazine that's popular today. If you
talk about down to earth, nuts and bolts, serious magazine
for generations, it's been Popular Mechanics. I have a cover
(06:37):
here and for those who can see this, look at
that headline there by the arrow. Did flying saucers cause
the blackout? What I mean? Popular Mechanics with that, and
inside was this illustration of the Exeter incident. We've I
(06:59):
think we've covered that on the show, at least in
part Exeter, New Hampshire, just in September of that year,
the UH there was this huge UH sightings and craft
over power lines? And so did these craft? Were these
(07:19):
craft scene over power lines? Could they have possibly caused
a blackout? Yes? What was official explanation number one?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Mike, Oh geez, I'm trying to remember what that one was.
You're usually pretty bad. Venus of the faulty relay switch. Yes, sorry,
not venus. Yeah, faulty relay switch was overloaded in a
power station by Syracuse, New York closing cascading failures off
the grid.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Then they decided, now that wasn't it. So here's official
explanation number two.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
A faulty relay switch was overloaded and the Sir Adam
Beck power station in Canada. That's blame Canyada. That's it
causing cascady failures throughout the grid.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
This is the excuse.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yes, which stands today is the official Yes, it.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Still stands today as the blame Canadian. But there was
a problem with that. If there were faulty relays, burned
out equipment, faulty equipment, how come the power was restored
without replacing any parts. Okay, if your toaster blows a fuse,
(08:33):
it won't you don't say, well, I'll let it sit
there overnight and maybe it'll work tomorrow. No, it right?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
How did how did the power come back on and
the supposed faulty fuses.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Without having fixed anything? Right? Right? So?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, still doesn't mean UFOs did it. So this is
an illustration. I will try to describe it for our
podcast audience. Base map of New York and the massive
power lines. You know, obviously a lot of hydroelectric electricity
in the Niagara Falls area in Canada would go to
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the east through Rochester and Syracuse, where it would then
match up with north south lines going up to northern
New York and then down right through the Hudson Valley
to New York City. So once that bleww, you can
see how the whole grid was going to collapse. Okay,
(09:34):
so let's get to possible sightings where the red circle is.
And for those of you at home, just south of Erie, Pennsylvania,
I hope I'm saying this right titty Ute, Pennsylvania. Anybody
know that town? It sounds good someplace in Pennsylvania. At
(09:56):
four twenty pm, so about an hour before the blackout,
commercial pilots Jerry Whittaker and George Kroneger again commercial pilots
are in Whittaker's plane. They radio the tower that they're
watching two shiny discs which were being chased by military jets.
(10:19):
A sudden burst of speed and the shiny discs took off.
That's a pretty good sighting that.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Is, and that's very common when we hear about military
chasing these objects, is they'll keep up for a while
and then the objects will just like tease them and.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Boom yes, yes, And so for commercial pilots. It probably
wasn't in their best interest to talk about UFOs if
you want to keep your commercial pilots business. Point in time,
right right, yes, so Syracuse area. Okay, at five twenty
(10:55):
two pm, right before the lights went out there at
the International Airport in Syracuse, Ranato Puccini, who was an
orchestra conductor, lands at the Syracuse airport with his wife.
He meets up with these two Paccini brothers. There's Puccini's everywhere.
(11:17):
His two brothers are engineers, okay, so highly technical. As
the six of them are driving away from the airport,
they see a very bright, bright light. They said it
was like a sinking motion. But it took several minutes,
so it wasn't a meteor. It took several minutes to
sink down. And when they lost sight of it when
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it was in Syracuse, that's when the power went out. Okay,
that does not sound like a faulty relay switch, does it. No,
sounds like something coming down and losing power. I did
a bunch of digging and found quite a lot of
newspaper articles. Ball of fire in blackout is the headline.
(12:05):
Flying overhead airport aid saw lights go out. Assistant Aviation
Commissioner Robert Walsh was flying over Hancock Field at about
fifteen hundred feet when the power went out. How terrifying
is that the whole ground goes black?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Right, completely lose all your orientation.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yes, and you wonder is it World War three?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
You know what's going on?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah? Terrorism did a bomb drop somewhere sabotage. So he
regained his composure. He was actually able to land in
the dark, and he and a few other pilots are
standing on the dark runway talking when they see a
massive fireball. They described it one hundred feet in the
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air and one hundred and fifty feet in diameter. Again,
doesn't sound like a faulty relay switch. They don't tend
to cause fireballs in the air. So here's the picture
of the actual guy went on the record. He didn't
say it was a UFO. He said, you know, but
we saw fireballs, okay. Other pilots, flight instructor, okay, somebody
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who knows his business, you hope Weldon Ross. He's with
student James Brooking. They are in the air looking down
in the Syracuse area and describe a glowing red hot
globe in the air. Guess where it was over the
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power lines leading to the Niagara power Plant. Okay, the
plot thickens, Okay, And all this has been in the
newspapers and newspaper archives and nobody really talks about it anymore.
The here's another headline, flying fireball photographed the sexton of
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the one of the local churches with his there's a
picture of him here with his camera and his telescope.
He actually photographed it. So these are not the greatest pictures,
but it clearly shows some sort of bright light anomaly
in the sky. And he looked at it with his
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telescope and what to the naked eye looked just like fireballs.
He said he could see a structure in it with
that was kind of rotating inside. So these were not
just bursts of flame. There was some sort of structured right, kind.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Of a craft or some structure inside of the fireball. Right.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
So there were over one hundred reports of glowing objects
and fireballs just in the Syracuse area right before and
imediately after the blackout. Official excuse, you got to read
this because it makes me crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Burning at local dumps.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So reporters contacted the two local dumps and said were
you burning garbage at the time? And they said no.
In fact, the one he said, the guy who was
on duty closed up at five pm, twenty minutes before
the the uh the blackout and went home. And the
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other we don't even burn garbage. So they had to
they had to say something.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
And what would you burn in one hundred feet by
one hundred and fifty feet across.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
And in the air.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
It floating in the air. I mean, that's just again
it goes back to all the crazy arguments we hear
debunking or allegedly debunking site right right, this is a
really good one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
With venus and swamp gas, we can now add burning
burning garbage. Okay, so that's Syracuse. I think we've established
there were anomalous objects and lights around the power lines
and the city right before the power went out. Okay,
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have a picture here of the Sir Adam Beck hydro
electric plant in Niagara Falls. I had to look up.
Did you know who's Sir Adam Beck? Never heard of him.
He was the man who started the Canadian hydro Electric
Power Commission. So when you do that, you get a
big power plant named after you. And this was if
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you see again for those who are here today. In
the background, do you see that little fuzzy area. Can
you see? Let's see if I can, I believe that's
the mist rising up from the falls. If you've ever
been to Niagara Falls, you know the mist that rises.
So enormous amount of hydro electric energy is generated in
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this area. So the blame Canada excuse is that it
all started here. What did Supervising engineer of Ontario hydro
Electric Jim Harris say about this?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's incredible. I would have said that it was impossible
if I hadn't seen the evidence, right, because they had
seen round glowing objects, a sudden surge of power described
as a tidal wave of power one point one million kilowatts, right, inexplicable.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yes, And I of course then I had to look up,
well what's a million kilowatts? Well, a million kilowatts could
power over a million modern homes with all our electrical
gadgets for an hour, So that's an enormous amount of power.
A million kilowatts just doesn't suddenly you know, hey we
(18:02):
got an extra million kilowatts. Isn't that great?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
And come in like a title wave. The description is
says it all it had right where to come from?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Where to come from? So Canadian power authorities denied, denied, No,
there were no strange lights over the power plant. Absolutely not.
It's ridiculous. After many, many, many reports of strange lights
over the power plant were made public, they were in
the newspapers, they changed their story. Okay, maybe there were
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a lot of strange lights over the generating stations right
before the power went up, but they had nothing to
do with the blackout. So yes, yes, that is very bad,
very bad. Backpennal. At least they didn't say it was
a lot of Canadians burning garbage. So we've got that
all right. So I think we've established anomalous objects over
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Syracuse and the Canadian power plant. Okay, so what else
was going on?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Well?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Doctor James McDonald a very controversial figure because he was
a brilliant physicist senior atmospheric physicist at the University of Arizona,
but he dared to talk about UFOs back then. In
an address to the United Nations June seventh, nineteen sixty seven,
(19:26):
he declared that UFOs were the number one scientific problem.
People tried to destroy his career because of this, and
he also talked about the power failures and the connections
with UFOs the House Committee on Science he attended July
(19:47):
twenty ninth, nineteen sixty eight, and he suggested a link
between power failures and UFOs, which was great heresy then,
including the Great blackout of six So what did he
say to them?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Even the famous one, the New York blackout, involved UFO sightings.
Doctor Heinik probably would be the most appropriate man to
describe the Manhattan sighting, since he interviewed several witnesses involved.
I interviewed a woman in Seacliff, New York. She saw
a disc covering and going up and down and then
shooting away from New York just after the power failure.
(20:26):
I went to the Federal Power Commission for data. They
didn't take them seriously, although they had many dozens of
sighting reports for that famous evening. There were reports all
over New England in the midst of that blackout.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
So there it is the Power Commission. We don't want
to hear about it. It's nonsense. But here's again a
brilliant scientist who declares, there were reports all over New
England in the midst of that blackout. So we have
(21:01):
Syracuse New York, we have Canada power stations and now
all over New England. Okay, what about this little town
called pine Bush. Well, I did some digging, and there
was a teacher who was that night was headed to
(21:23):
parent teacher conferences in the pine Bush school system. He
was going from Middletown, probably taking three to two up
through Circleville, Bulville, Thompson's Ridge, and as he's approaching pine Bush,
he sees a blue, brilliant ball of light. He described
it as arcing through the sky. He said, from cloud
(21:46):
to cloud that kind of I don't see that. Then
as one smooth arc, it's like it was arcing between clouds,
almost like trying to hide betweind behind the clouds. So again,
not a meteor. So he gets to the school. Of course,
all the powers out and they're canceling the conferences. But
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he's about to tell them his story when some other
teachers said, did you hear what's going on in Middletown?
Because back in Middletown many witnesses saw classic flying saucer
a disk hovering over the Middletown train station. So within
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minutes of one another at the beginning of this blackout,
in this tiny little area in this small part of
the whole country. We have two UFO sightings by numerous witnesses.
So I said, if we can extrapolate that out to
the rest of the country, if we had two one
(22:54):
in Pine Bush and you know different ones Blue Orb
and Flying Sauce are here, what the hell was going
on across the rest of the right?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
How many other sightings went unreported?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, the US and Canada. Okay ah, I have a
nice picture up here of Stuart Whitman. Sorry, sorry, everybody
can't see this, but Stuart Whitman was I Google him,
Email me, I'll send you the picture. Stuart Whitman was
(23:27):
a very famous UH actor back in the day. He
was in the Longest Day, which was about d Day.
He's with John Wayne here in the Comonchero's and he
did a lot of TV shows in his later career.
(23:47):
He wasn't he wasn't just a gorgeous honk of man there.
He was nominated for an Academy Award, for six Emmys,
for six Golden Globes, so he was an actor of
some great accomplishment. He was trapped on the twelfth floor
(24:08):
of a hotel room in Manhattan the night of November ninth,
during the blackout, and he said that he was awakened
by a whistling noise from outside his room. He gets up,
goes to the window. He's perfectly conscious. Standing up, he
sees two UFOs outside the window. And what did he
(24:30):
say about them?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
One of them was orange and the other was blue.
They gave off a strange luminescent light, so I couldn't
see if there were portholes or who was in them.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
So I have to emphasize the orange. And this is
what he saw. Now, we just talked about the blue
UFO in Pine Bush and many of the reports remember
the orange fireballs and so, and there were other reports
of blue. So he this is good because he's not
(25:04):
the only ones. He's not saying they were purple spotted.
He's saying orange and blue, which a lot of other
but it gets straight talk about. Here's some high strangeness
for you. What else did he say happened? Then?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Then I heard them speaking to me as if they
were unallowed speaker. They spoke to me in English. It
may not have been audible to anyone else. I was
probably tuned to the right wavelength. They said they wanted
to talk to me because I appeared to have no
malice or hate in my soul. They said they were
feel fearful of Earth because Earthlings were messing around with
(25:42):
unknown quantities and might disrupt the balance of the universe
on their planet. They said the blackout was just a
little demonstration of their power and that they could do
a lot more with almost no effort. It served as
a warning. They said that they could stop our whole
planet from functioning. They asked me to do what I
(26:03):
could to fight malice, prejudice, and hate on Earth, and
then they took off. I felt elated. I wasn't even shocked.
I was standing by the window and awake the entire time.
I don't know why they picked me as a contact,
but I'll swear off a bible that I saw them
out there and that they talked to me.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
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Speaker 3 (26:25):
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Speaker 1 (26:33):
Okay, pretty wild, But how many schoolyard sightings have we
talked about where the little kids were getting the message
you're ruining your planet your you know nuclear weapons are dangerous,
you know? Uh, so it fits in with that. Again,
(26:56):
he was an actor of some repute. It didn't help that.
He I'm sure, put this statement out, but he swore
to it to the rest of his life. He never
changed his story. He never embellished. So you know, he's
a crazy B, drunk, C hallucinating or d. Maybe it happened.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Right, Maybe he's telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Maybe he's telling the truth. So yeah, it's it's crazy. Okay,
why is this man putting his finger on his nose?
I have a picture up here of Bob Schultz. He
was an electrical engineer from Minnesota. He later on joined
mufon because of what happened to him, or he thinks
(27:45):
happened to him. The night of the Great Blackout. He
was in Bethpage, New York, at the Grumm and Aircraft
plant in Long Island. That was big, big business back there.
He was installing a digital display. Ooh, that was nineteen
sixty five.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
That had to have been something to see advanced.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yes, and it was going to take him a week
to install this digital display. Okay, So what happened to
mister Schultz? The power goes out, he can't work, obviously
ed Grum. So he goes to his hotel and he
goes to bed and thinks he just sleeps through the night.
(28:31):
He wakes up he has some breathing problems, specifically where
he's pointing on the right side of his nose. Then
he doesn't know what that doesn't pay much attention. This
is so weird, he says. Two days later, he's he's
in Grumming and he's walking through an office to get
(28:51):
to where he's installing this display, and this very distraught
woman who works there runs up to him and says,
can I touch your nose? He's like, what, there's a
pickup line. I wouldn't I wouldn't recommend it. No, And
she's like, can I touch your nose? He's like, okay,
(29:13):
So she runs her finger along his nose, freaks out,
runs out of the office, quits on the spot, and
just takes off all right. He's like, I didn't do
anything to her, So you know, everybody's looking at him, like,
what did you do to her? He had never seen
her before, but she later told a friend, I think
(29:37):
I know him from somewhere, and if it's where I think,
I don't want to have anything to do with them.
That's rather cryptic, right, That's that'll get you called down
to HR. Although in sixty five, not so much, not
so much. Okay, So thirty years past, thirty five years,
(30:01):
his nose is still bothering him. He goes to a
surgeon and gets X rays and a CT scan and
the surgeon says to him, well, what did you have
this previous surgery for. There's all this scar tissue up
up your nose and in your sinuses. And he's like,
I've never had surgery. No, look at you've had surgery
(30:23):
up there. He didn't know what to say, and he said,
we can do more surgery to correct it, but it's
so close to the brain there are risks. So at
that point, you know, I think I'll live with it.
So he was trying to figure out what went on,
(30:45):
and he heard somebody talk about abductions and implants, particularly
in the nose, and he's like, oh, that's crazy. He's like,
what could it have happened to me the night of
the blackout? And then he's thinking, is that where I
met the woman? Because he heard somebody talk about they
(31:06):
were somewhere and saw somebody that, like, you really look familiar,
and then they realized they said they had been abducted together,
and that's where they met it's a stretch, But how
else do you explain this crazy woman and what went
on in his sinuses? So you think, okay, maybe that's the.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
End of it.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
What am I going to do about it? Well, in
two thousand and five, he's talking to doctor Leo Sprinkle.
Sprinkle was very prominent psychologist who was also interested in
UFOs and paranormal and Sprinkle just comes out and says,
(31:51):
do you think you have an implant in your nose?
He's like, what is with these questions? He's like, I
don't know it, because you know, I think you did.
I think you got an implant the night of the blackout.
So here's doctor Leo Sprinkle. He wrote books, he gave lectures,
he did hypnosis. Again, he was someone legitimate scientist who
(32:15):
dared to talk about parasitology and UFOs. How does a
guy like this come to think the guy he's sitting
out hanging hanging out with has an implant in his nose? Well,
what's the first thing?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Under hypnosis? He recalled that when he was in the
fifth grade, he was taking a border spacecraft looking at stars.
A tall man told him to learn to read and
write well so he could someday help others become aware,
and we do.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Hear this a lot with people who are prominent in
the field. They had an experience that kind of so,
but that's not all that happened to doctor Leo Sprinkle.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
In the fall of nineteen forty nine, he and a
fellow student, Joe Wagoner, watched a flying saucer or daylight
disc moving over the campus at the University of Colorado
and Boulder.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So again, no missing time that he knows of, but
he and his friend I love they called it a
daylight disc as opposed to just lights. In the broad daylight,
they see the classic flying saucer.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
But then, during the Great Blackout of nineteen sixty five,
doctor Leo Sprinkle was in upstate New York and he
said he was abducted and had an implant placed in
his nose. Not a tracking device, they know where you are.
It's a programming device. You and I and hundreds of
(33:47):
others that night were programmed to speak about and get
out the information about ETS.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Well, that puts a chill down yourself, up and down
your very FID. Yeah. So yeah, so he's talked looking
to Bob Schultz and you know Schultz says to him, Well,
what do you think these implants are tracking devices?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (34:08):
No, they know where you are. They don't need tracking devices.
And then a programming device. But the kicker here is
doctor Leo Sprinkle. Again, very prominent scientists said to Bob Schultz,
you and I and hundreds of others that night were abducted, implanted, programmed. Now,
(34:34):
doctor Leo Sprinkle's papers are at the University of Colorado.
They're not available online. I've tried. If anybody's going to
the University of Colorado soon, I'll pay you to h
I have to get there and shit, yeah, because I
want if he's making a statement hundreds of others that night,
(34:56):
who did he interview? What proof does he have wouldn't
make this statement? And who knows? Maybe he has a
stack of ah, but I have one locally here. Uh.
Last person I want to talk about Kathy Hagar. Hagar
(35:18):
she was the one who we've talked about that amazing
cornwall sighting where some people saw disc excuse yeah, discs,
some people saw a triangle. Well that wasn't her first
UFO rodeo. The night of the Great Blackout, she was
living in this house. You can see a typical high
(35:38):
ranch in Sparkhill, spark Hill Avenue in Tappan, New York,
which is Rockland County, and you can see the second floor.
It's great. She had these pictures. You see the second floor.
No one can stand on the ground and look in. Okay,
so the lights are out. She from her bedroom window
(35:59):
can see the happen Ze Bridge and she sees a
emergency vehicles and boats and planes. She doesn't know what's
going on that you know, there's a big blackout or
what's going on around the bridge. And she said, between
nine thirty and ten pm, she got up to use
the bathroom. She's in the bathroom and this is not
(36:20):
what you want to hear when you're in the bathroom.
She hears a voice say, hello, look over here, all right.
Never a good.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Thing, No, it's not. Never.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
This is a picture of Kathy at around that time.
She looks up at the bathroom window and sees this.
For those who cannot see it, what would we call
this a reptile looking reptilian? Reptilian? Listen, yeah, yeah, she
made this sketch. This thing is looking at her and
(36:54):
she made a great series of sketches. For those who
cannot see it. I will describe it. She's looking at
the window, sees this face, and she said the wall
became like a lava lamp, like shifting and pulsing. And
how many times have we heard that? People said either
(37:15):
the wall or the ceiling just kind of shimmers and
fades away. And she says she has taken out this
opening that was made and scary part you can see her.
She made a sketch of herself strapped to a table
with a very frown face and these creatures around her
(37:38):
with instruments and all this, and you know, it's a
very involved story. But once they're done with her, she's
back in the bathroom and her parents are like, hysterical,
where have you been? Why is the door locked? She
did not lock the door. They she got, you know,
(37:59):
and she's just dazed and what what are you going
to you know, what are you going to tell your parents?
And the last thing they said to her before they
brought her back is I'll be watching you. Not a
good night. No. But again, this was the night of
(38:19):
the blackout. Okay, so either everybody had made up stories
or a lot of this actually happened. So was it
hundreds of people throughout New England. We haven't even talked
about abductions in Canada. I need to get that data.
Was it hundreds that night? Did they cause this blackout
(38:42):
to teach us a lesson? And then hey, while the
lights are out, let's grab everybody. It's just one of
the most remarkable nights in US history. Even if it
you even if none of this is true, just the
whole blackout and what people went through, but if one
(39:05):
tenth of what I just talked about really happened, it's
a stunning, stunning night. So every major magazine had articles
Life newsweek Time. Remember when there were magazines and you
picked them up and you physically read them. Of course
(39:29):
all the newspapers. And I love this photo here. You
can go and google NBC News that night. They were
running their cameras on emergency backup generators, but they didn't
have lights. So here this man is broadcasting by candlelight.
I mean, that is amazing. And then a few years later,
(39:52):
of course you have to make a romantic comedy with
Taris Day called where were You When the Lights Went Out?
I think I saw it years ago. I don't know
that i'd recommend it, but just from the historical context,
or if you're Dars Day fan, you know that's all right,
you can be a Dars Day fans. Most of the
(40:15):
young people who are listening now like, who the hell
is Dar's Day? So it was a huge thing culturally.
Everyone had a story, and some people had some stories
it took them years to come out and talk about.
And some people don't even know what happened to them
(40:35):
that night, but suspect that something happened. So the question
is where were you when the lights went out? And
if you're not old enough, ask your parents and your grandparents,
particularly in the Pine Bush area. I have to find out.
I have to track down doctor Jon Heinez reports on
(40:58):
the people he interviewed a New New York City. I
bet Canada has some stories to tell. I saw something
the other day. I haven't been able to follow. Somebody said, oh, yeah,
that night Hollister, Massachusetts, they had a lot of activity.
I never heard of Hollister, Massachusetts. I'm trying to track
down stories from there. So there was widespread activity, there
(41:21):
were pockets of concentrated activity. So, Mike, did you have
any idea what happened when the lights went out?
Speaker 3 (41:29):
No? I was not a fignman in my parents' imagination,
not quite yet. But I'm going to ask them if
they remember. They would have been close to seniors in
high school, I think, yeah, So I'll have to ask
them if they remember where they were or what they
what they did during the the Great Blackout.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah. I mean, you know, clearly I lost my marbles
that night. But other than that, I wish I had
gone outside and looked up and who knows, who knows
what happened that night. So if you have everyone out there,
I know we have a lot of listeners all over
(42:06):
the country and actually around the world, believe it or not,
But if you were part of that blackout and you
saw something, or you know somebody who saw something, yeah, definitely,
please let me know, let us know. And if you were,
you know, not old enough, ask your parents and your grandparents,
(42:27):
because there are stories out there still, I have no doubt.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
And they may be people that were reluctant to speak
about it back at that time and then over the
years it just never really had the opportunity to revisit it.
It's never come up in conversation, right, or they've just
never had anybody ask them.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, or they were embarrassed about it. The ridicule, I mean,
it's obviously it's a lot less ridicule nowadays than it
certainly was in the sixties. And check your local newspapers too,
if you you know, if you're somebody who looks in
newspaper archives, look around that time. See what see If
(43:06):
anybody who's out there burning garbage, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Know, they go to their local library, if they have
local newspapers on microfilm, even if they look around the
day range, it shouldn't take long. And yeah, we would
love to see them.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
So I here by deputize all listeners to go out
there and see what you can find about this, and
maybe we'll have to do Blackout part two. Part two
definitely all right, So Mike take us out in your
own inimitable style.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Well, once again, thank you for all joining us. And
if I can just one more time, if we're our
studio audience here has been great. We have an awesome audience.
Reminding everybody that while we've been talking about this blackout,
it's been done in front of a studio audience at
the Pine Bush UFO Museum.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Can we hear it and we hear around it?
Speaker 3 (43:54):
I love it. I love that we have to do
more often like shows.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yes, yeah, it's fun to doing it. You know, zoom
is convenient, but it's nice to do it in front
of an audience.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
And we do recommend people check out the Pine Bush
Museum dot com. You can find them on all different
social media and it's worth the visit. If you are
anywhere near a two hour drive through hour drive, it
is worth the drive out to Pine Bush Museum. There's
so much to do in the area, but the museum
should be the highlight of your visit.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yes, and we have to thank the French Confection Connection
just a few doors down for the I have DIBs
on one of those cupcakes over there. But yeah, it's
been a lot of fun. I want to thank the
museum for the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
And if Linda doesn't get a cupcake, there's going to
be another blackout tonight, so the anniversary will become a
whole nother incident. But once again, thank you for listening.
You can catch up with us on any of your
podcast platforms. Until next time, Keep here, Eyes on the
sky
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Hudson River Radio dot com.
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