December 8, 2025 • 57 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hudson River Radio dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
This is Travis Walton and you are listening to UFO Headquarters,
Beautiful Headquarters, and.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
We are here for our let's call it second annual
Part two Christmas UFOs. We did it last year and
people enjoyed it, so it's that time of year again.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Agreed. Yeah, So Mike is I think helping to load
Santa Sleigh right now. So I'm going to sit in
and do my best with Mike.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
He might be running security for the noise, all true.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
He might be doing that. That is definitely right up
his alley. He's very good at sorting the good and
the bad, the naughty and the behave, so he might
be running the list. Who knows, all right?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So if you have a comment, great, If you don't,
no prict I.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Have no idea what's coming, right, So I'm looking forward
to this.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Okay, So let's jump into December twenty fifth, twenty twenty four.
Oh recent, yes, at the at all, Macquatum City in Cairo, Egypt.
Not not what we typically think of as a Christmas town. No,
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not really probably not a lot of Christmas celebrating, but
I looked it up. All mcquatum City is just over
the nile from the Pyramids, so very cool area. It
was eleven thirty two am, so broad daylight. Right. This
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witness was out feeding the birds. He looked up to
see if there were any other birds, and he sees
an object. He sees a cube, which is very rare,
approximately eight thousand feet high. He said it was traveling
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at a relatively high speed and rotating. He said, I
could see the edges were kind of transparent, but the
center was hollow. It's very strange. It was the color
of the sky and clouds. It didn't want to be
noticed traveling from southeast to northwest. I really pushed my
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brain not to confuse it with a flying plastic bag.
But I'm sure it wasn't. I live on the fourth floor,
and the altitude I saw it and the way it
was traveling dismissed the plastic bag idea for me. That's
his report. Plastic bag. You'd need shape of a cube,
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you'd need some sort of structure.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, I would think it sounds like a flying Apple store,
you know, with the glass lobby and all that.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I don't think he didn't mention apple. Uh. I don't
know what to make of the cubes are very rare.
But one of the reasons I did this case was
because pine Bush had They weren't cubes, they were rectangles.
But witnesses, this was about thirteen years ago. Witnesses said
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they saw these huge rectangles that seemed to be like
looking at the bottom of a glass bottom boat, as
almost as if it was transparent or trying to be stealthy.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Okay, it's an unusual shape structurally, like to go into
space because of you know, the forces upon the corners
versus something. It's round where it distributes force evenly, you know,
so unless whatever's inside doesn't care what the pressure is outside.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
You know, it's yeah, and not exactly aero dynamic for
the atmosphere either.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Right, And if they come from somewhere that doesn't have one,
then all right, so be it. But yeah, who knows. Yeah,
it's an odd shape for for a fly. Well, unless
you're making a box kite. And then I guess it's
literally in the name.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Do you make box kites out of clear plastic? I
guess you could, but then you let it eight thousand
feet That's.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
That's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
The string breaks, I guess.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
But I just thought this was unusual. Do I have
any explanation? No, But you know, was it some sort
of experimental military craft trying cloaking things? Because there is
that cloaking technology where projectors take something from above or
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behind and project it in the front, so you kind
of you know, they even have. Have you seen those ponchos?
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Yes, yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
But basically project something in front of you that is
behind you.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Behind you.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
So was that what this was trying to do. I
don't know, But the next time you're in al Quatam City,
I will.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Make a note. That is probably the only reason I
will be going there still for this flying cube.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Although I would I would do anything to go see
the pyramids and inside that would be super cool. Okay,
So that is Christmas UFO number one. Now we get
a little closer to home, Ellwood, New York, which is
right out on Long Island. Here five forty five pm,
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so it would be dark. This is also December twenty fifth,
twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And there were three obsors who observed this for an hour,
so kind of little red flag goes up for me.
But let's see what they saw. It was in the
west and they said with the naked eye. It looked
like it had a black center with lights around the
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perimeter like a clock dial. That's interesting, and it was
emitting rays in all directions they looked. The one person
looked at had a Sony Alpha SLR camera, which is
not a cheap camera. Yeah yeah, but still, how far
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was this and what ranges the telephoto lens? They said
they could see it as a silver sphere. It was
a perfect sphere in color with texture of tevision noise,
meaning colorful pixels. I hear that, and I kind of
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think it's an artifact of the camera extended too far
out right.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I mean, yeah, I'm not a photography expert, but yes,
I understand.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah. So they said the rays could have possibly been
a reflection from behind it. So the rays are very interesting,
emitting beams of light. It moved slowly across the sky
for an hour, so you know, me, miss astronomy, I
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go to the stelarium program for Christmas Night twenty twenty four,
Venus was in the sky from about five forty five
PM till about eight so a little over two hours,
but depending on you know, it wasn't low in the sky.
So I hate even suggesting Venus. But if you look
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at Venus with an sl camera and telephoto all the
way out might give you that noise he's talking, you know,
the pixel lady.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Shit Venus is Venus fooled me that one year because
I'm up all night. I work nights, and I really
thought it was like a drone that was checking out
traffic over the I'm still calling it the tappan Zee Bridge, Yes,
in that area and all that, and you know, I
mentioned it to you and you're like, no, it's Venus.
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I'm like, this thing is so bright, and and then
I downloaded one of the apps where you can check
out this, you know, like a stargazer kind of thing, and.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, well all right, it's Venus tail between the legs.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
But also given Christmas Eve, you know, the first thing
I thought of when you said clock Dial is like
a drone show, you know, like they do a set
of fireworks. Yeah, you know have all the pre program
drones that put on amazing shows.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
They're incredible, they make pictures.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
And yeah, so that was as soon as you say
clock Dial, I'm like, all right, I wonder if it's
like a sandy countdown in some rich town in Long
islands or something.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, it could be, but for an hour, I don't know.
We can just take these three observers at their word
that it was a you know, looked like a clock dial,
and then through the telephoto it was a silver sphere.
But I just you know, the astronomer and me has
to say an hour in the west and you're seeing
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colorful pixels.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
And nobody else said anything.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Hm.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
So so forgive me everyone for using the V word.
But you know, I can't take all of these accounts,
as you know, the absolute truth and not look for
something some explanation. So had it been in the East,
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I would have been a lot more accepting of it,
or north or south. But maybe he saws it, so
all right, So it's something emitting beams, so in their favor.
Our next one is from December twenty fifth, twenty twenty,
so four years earlier it was an object emitting beams.
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So like, huh, boy, if you live on Long Island
and you're there on Christmas, you better look up to
see beam emitting Christ's hotspot.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Jeez.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
So this is eight twenty nine pm that night, again
on Long Island. There were two witnesses. This one's a
little more compelling. Lasted about a minute. They were driving
on the lie, which is absolute nightmare.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You're legally required to make air quotes when you say
driving on the E because you're parking on the lie. Yes,
for those who are not in the area, Yeah, it
is perhaps one of the worst roads I've ever driven on.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
They're going between Nassau to Suffolk County. They see an object,
and this woman and her husband, and here's a quote
from her, half joking, half confused. My husband said, it
looks like a UFO. I looked up and started shaking.
I have never seen something so enormous and clear. It
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looked like it was out of a movie. It took
me a while to start talking because I was so nervous.
It was foggy and windy, so I think we can
get balloon out of this balloon would not be in
the equation, but so clearly. The shape of it was
an upper circular dome with a lower circuitular dome and
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then a huge flat circular disc around it. There were
lights around the entire disc, then a bright one on
top of the upper dome. The bottom dome had a
red light that was explosive and twice. The bottom seemed
to explode with red light and a strong fat light
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beam would shoot from the bottom then suck back in,
almost like a huge smoke cloud explosion that shoots in
a straight beam then back as if someone was rewinding it.
It's so hard to explain. It traveled level with me
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the whole time it drifted into the fog. The shape, size, light, activity, structure,
beam are nothing I have ever seen in my entire life. Wow,
what that has.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
It's almost like a rocket launch and then off right,
you know.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
That's it's yeah, exploding down and then being pulled back,
but you know, saying it. It was so enormous and clear.
So basically it was a seemed to be a flat
disc with like a bowl top shaped top and bottom,
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which is not you know, unheard of, but to be
that huge, I can't think of. I have no other explanation.
What else would look like that, you know, I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Just grasping for straw is like a model rocket in
stages boof boof, boof, going up, but not really bowl.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Not huge.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And you know the fact that she immediately saw it
and started shaking and was so nerve. I mean, this
was not oh what is that little light. This was
something huge that just immediately freaked her out. Yeah, I
think that's that is a tremendous one. And again the
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fact that it's foggy and there it's windy, I think
takes a lot of things off the table. But yeah,
I think this is a great, great case. Again, I
have no idea other than taking her for her word
on there and they're looking at it.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
It's not like she's did they try pictures?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I think she did take some video. Unfortunately it wasn't
it wasn't included in the report, but she did try
taking got some light, so there was something in the sky.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
What the heck it was?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I have no idea, but the know when a witness says,
I immediately started shaking.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I was so nervous. I was.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
You know, this is quite a gut, you know, hitting
the gut impact. This is not oh I'm mistaking a
seven forty seven taking off from La Guardia, you.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Know, because he out on Long Island.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
You've got you know, you've got aircraft from LaGuardia, from Kennedy.
You know what air craft look like, and they don't
look like two domes exploding red lights beneath it. Yeah, curious,
so very strange. But again, if you are going to
be on Long Island Christmas night.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Look up unless you're on the lie. Oh my god, No, no.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
We didn't say. We didn't say look up on the
l ie. Look straight ahead.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Watch what you're doing. Let your passenger look up.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yes, yes, So why don't we take our first break?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
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Speaker 1 (16:12):
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Speaker 3 (16:23):
We are back on our Christmas adventure here. Some some
sketchy cases, some mind blowing cases.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yes, some you're just.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Right right, some you're like, all right, what the hell? Okay,
So technically this next one is three forty five am,
December twenty sixth, but you know it's still it's late
Christmas night.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It is.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
That's when everything goes on super sale.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
So that's yes, yes, So it's the year twenty twenty.
We're in Norwalk, Connecticut, which had a lot of activity
also during the Big Wave of the eighties with the triangles.
It's one witness he said, he got up early three
forty five am Okay, sometimes I do do that, so
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I get it. He was having caught. I was having
coffee at my desk when I noticed a triangular shaped
object moving from west to east in a very slow manner.
While moving across the sky, there were red and white
lights that would blink on and off. There was no sound,
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and there were no other aircraft that I could see
in the area. There were no obstructions, and the object
was clearly visible and definitely triangular in shape. Okay, sounds
like rational witness. That's not embellishing what that triangular craft was.
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But you know, you could say, all right, maybe it
was some sort of military craft, but probably that wouldn't
be moving very slow across the sky.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
No, I mean the colors right off the bat, Like
you said, aircraft colors, the morning lights and slow. To me,
I always just default to drone because we've had such
drone experiences over the last how what you two years?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, then I start taking the drone out of the
twenty twenty there were, of course, there were still drones,
But what idiot would be out at three forty five Christmas,
you know morning?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Maybe he just got wrapped it the night before and
he put it together.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
That's that's it. Maybe that's it.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, Daddy, I'm gonna go out and freak out the
neighborhood by my triangular drone.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I would say it's equally likely that daddy took the
kids drone and said, I'm going to go make sure
this works.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
That's that's probably more more in line. But the fact
that that area of Connecticut was big in the triangular
triangular sightings of the eighties and nineties, I thought it
was worth mentioning.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
And it's very similar to Long Island. You're just across
Long Island Sounds.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Oh, that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Things could be visible to both, you know. I would
imagine if you're high up at the right altitude, you're
gonna see from either way.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, that's that is a very good point. So once again,
you're anywhere near the Long Island Sound or Long Island.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, and if you're driving in Connecticut, what is it
Route eighty three, they're parking lot. If I remember whatever that.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Eighty four, don't look up, just looking please, and yeah,
be careful pulling over on eighty four. But when everybody
does it, that's fine. But yeah, all right, let's go
out to the midwest to Elgin, Illinois. It is twenty
ten Christmas night, about eleven o five pm. One witness
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about a three minute long sighting, which in terms of UFOs,
three minutes is is a lot. This witness said he
was in his backyard on the north side of the property.
That means to me it's a fairly good sized property.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yeah, it was on the north part.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah right. If your house is big enough where you
have to name it, then you're doing okay.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
If he had just said looking north right, it could
be anything, but on the north side of.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
The play exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, yeah, the rear twenty acres of Okay, so he
thought it first they were fireworks, Okay, so this is
his statement. I observed a reddish glow with what appeared
to be a yellowish fire ball in the center. The
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light continued to ascend and moved in an easterly path,
almost directly over my backyard. It maintained an elevation of
about one hundred and fifty feet and continued in an
almost due east direction. The speed of the object was slow,
about ten to fifteen miles per hour. Lost sight in
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the low cloud cover one to two miles east. The
shape fluctuated a bit, but mainly appeared to be cylinder shape.
He reported it to the local police as it looking
kind of like a jellyfish with a cluster of two
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or three fireballs in the center of it. There were
lines extending down from it like tentacles of a jellyfish,
defining the bottom lines as almost like a veil. The
red aura from the illumination was in the center of
the fireball cluster.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
He said.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
It was about five foot by three foot no sound.
Never saw anything like it. Okay, I don't know about you,
but this screams Chinese lantern to me. True, one of
those big jumbo ones. I even looked up. You can
get these big jumbo ones with all this little paper
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fringe hanging down or.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
That was always seemed like a bad idea depending on
where they land. But then again, I've never heard of
a major problem from.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
One causing fires. But they in the twenty tens. I
had to look this up to the US started outlawing them,
like New Hampshire outlawed them in twenty twelve. So in Elgin, Illinois,
love to hear from people. Could you still fly them
in twenty ten? And for people who don't know what
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a Chinese lantern is. It's a framework with very thin paper,
often red, and you light little some source, little fuel
candles or some sort of fuel source with if it's
big enough, it's multiple lights. And the way he says,
there's like two to three fireball, you know, fiery inside
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maybe and again five foot by three foot one hundred
and fifty feet in the air going slowly.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
It's so hard to judge distances too. People are, yeah,
notoriously bad at that kind of thing. And you're right,
so basically you're making a little mini hot air balloon
almost so it's going to float and you know, right,
go that way with a flame on it. So you
may have hit the nail on the head there.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yeah, So I hate to be skeptical, but I all
so when I read this, I'm like, ah, and then
the whole jet. Yes, there are people who say they
think there's craft that look like jellyfish morphine changing.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Size and shape and all that.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
But I have to throw that out there, so I
hope I'm not going to get a lot of hate mail.
But if you live in Illinois and you know when
they outlawed which even if it was outlawed. Let's face,
it doesn't mean people weren't sending them up right. We
were at a local fireworks thing in Orange County four
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or five years ago, and out, you know, we saw
these flaming centers of Chinese lanterns floating by. Somebody had
let them go near where they're going to have a
fireworks display, and so I looked up and I'm like, okay, yeah,
that's illegal. And I think it was a dry summer,
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so not a good idea too.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
They're neat looking, they're cool to watch.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Oh yeah, they're beautiful. They're beautiful. Years ago I bought
some at like a flea market somewhere and then found
out they were illegal. And I'm like, oh, you can tether them.
You put a little string and then light them and
just have them around your patio or your backyard or something.
But just make sure they don't break loose and cause
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a forest fire.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
So all right, So.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
There's a lot more skepticism here than I had planned.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
But now we've got a juicy one.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Okay, we're going way back to nineteen ninety five, which
you know, I understand now is vintage.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yes, it is the late nineteen hundreds as they say.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Ah, somebody posted something I think it was on Marketplace.
It was from the mid nineties and it's they were saying,
give you the real feel of the nineties, Like, oh.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Damn, that is.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Not fair.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
You're not fair.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
All right.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
We are going to the Caribbean, to Trinidad, which is
down by South America. I believe it is the farthest
south island in the Caribbean. Not exactly Christmas Day, twelve
twenty eight, sorry Christmas time, but this was worth it.
This was a fifteen minute full sighting. It's about five
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thirty pm south and the Trinidad on the twelve twenty
eight might still be a little light.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
So this report came from a seismic ship. You I
had to look that up to be you know what
a seismic assuming earthquakes, that was my guess. But it
sends out seismic waves to bounce off the seafloor. They
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use these giant air guns. It's to map the seafloor
looking for oil and gas deposits. So they crew similar
but I got you, yeah, but they're creating their own
seismic waves, so they tow this equipment. It's it's cool.
It's you know, again looking for whatever anomalies there are
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to show oil and gas deposits. So they're towing equipment,
was suddenly damaged by a huge underwater object. You can say, oh,
maybe it was a Soviet sub or you know, or
a US sub or a huge whale, except it then
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rose out of the ocean and took off. Okay, not
a submarine.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
No it was.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
The object was then tracked on radar. The ship had
radar for ten minutes, so pretty impressive sighting. The New
Fork Organization, the National UFO Reporting Center, Peter Davenport, who
does an amazing job collecting cases, spoke directly to one
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of the witnesses on this ship, spoke at length, and
we found him to be quite credible and convincing. And
you don't just oh, I think I'll take a seismic
ship out. It's probably a huge oil company who's paying
a lot of money. Oh yeah, for you to do this,
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so and.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
For you to get to that position, you have been
working in the end street for a long time to
get something like that. So it's very similar to pilots
who are leary of saying something, you know, because it's
gonna it may affect your reputation. I would have imagined
something like that, but.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Wow, yeah, yeah, So I think that's uh, you know,
as you say, for someone like that to come forward.
What is not included in the brief summary of this
was the size of the or shape of the craft.
But if it was actually dark, they may not have
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been able to tell. So you know that, well, maybe
whatever was down there didn't like those seismic waves generated.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Hey what.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
You're rocking our boat that you know, some sort of
craft is down there and you're shooting uh air guns,
air cannons down at it.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Depth charger.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So this is a whole sub subspecies
in the field unidentified submerged objects usos, which you know
are really hard to study. But when they come out
of the water and take off and you get ten
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minutes of radar data on them and if it's light
enough possibly see them, that's pretty cool. So I think
I have redeemed myself in with the other skeptical reports
with this one.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I can't think of anything we have that in nineteen
ninety five would come up out of the water and
you know it was huge.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, I literally lived all right, something, some debris or
something floats to the surface. I could believe that, but
then right takes off and can be tracked. That's a
whole different ballgame right there.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yes it is, and this is one cool ballgame. So
I would love to interview that crew if they're still
If anybody has any other information on this case, that's amazing.
All right, let's we're staying to the south Tampa, Florida
all the way back to nineteen seventy five. It's eleven
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pm Christmas night, and the staff at the local McDonald's
is having a Christmas party on the roof, because in Tampa, Florida,
you can have outdoor parties at Christmas, where here you
would get frost bit. One of the part time employees
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was also at the local air Force base, had some
sort of Air Force career. I don't know what, you know,
what careers the Air Force. They allow you to have
part time jobs. I have no idea, I don't know,
but this one witnessed was described as air Force personnel
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working part time at McDonald's. He and another employee are
on the roof. They saw a triangular, bright looking star,
which is unusual enough, but it wasn't a star because
it moved straight, zigzagged.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
And was zooming up and down.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
So the one employee asked the Air Force person, could
that be a new aircraft at McDill Air Force Base,
because that's right in the area there, and he gave
an emphatic no, nothing we have can move like that.
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So emphatically said no. Then even more emphatically said, do
not tell anyone about this. They'll think we are nuts.
And he was worried about his career in the AIRFS.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Sure, yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
So nineteen seventy five not a good thing. Well, I
was on the roof of the McDonald's watching a UFO
zigzag around. Okay, you're you're leaving.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, we're going to go on a little vacation.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
So this one witness who reported it said, could not
have been the only one to see it. So I
know this is a stretch, but you never know. Somebody
nineteen seventy five, Tampa, you see some sort of object
zigzagging around Christmas night, eleven pm would love to hear it.
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So I think someone who works at the Air Force base,
who was with the Air Force might have some clue
of hopefully what is being flown over McDill Air Force Base.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
You never know. But it's it's kind of tough to
hide things, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
That's why at Stuart Airport here in Newburgh close to us,
here in the Hudson Valley, when people used to say, oh,
all those triangular craft they take off from Stuart, and
I'm like, really, Stuart, you're familiar.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Have you been to Stuart?
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, it's right on a major highway. You see, you
stand by the fence and you see the whole airport,
you see the hangars, you see everything. Not once did
somebody you know, I was driving by and they pulled
this huge triangle out of the uh, you know, the
hangar that no no one ever saw anything take off
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from Stuart. You can't hide anything at Stuart.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
It's not like the middle of the desert and you've
got thousands of acres. You stand there and look into
the hangars from the road. It's everything is that close,
specially back then.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah, I mean it's different. Yeah, it's more commercial obviously, but.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
It's right right, right, But there's there's nowhere to hide anything.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
It's Stewart.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, yeah, So why don't we take our second break,
and we have two more.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
This is Hudson River.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Radio dot Com, your local Rockland County station. We are back.
We've had quite the geographical tour from Trinidad to Cairo
and yeah, all over this country. Chris Busy, Yeah it is,
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and I could you know we could do part fifty seven.
It's I think you know a lot of people are
traveling that night. Obviously you just.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Step outside because they're stuck in some house with their
family and they're like, I just need a break. I've
never smoked anything in my life, but I'm going to
go outside and start, if you'll excuse.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Me, very good point.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
All right, So I'm I've been going backwards in time.
I'm doing this in a little I'm doing a fifty seven.
Then I'm going coming back for a sixty eight. But
I'll explain that. So we're going all the way back
to nineteen fifty seven around Christmas time. They think it
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might have been a couple days after, not sure, but
Christmas time. Madison, Wisconsin.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Have you been there?
Speaker 1 (36:50):
No?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
No, I no, I am not familiar with.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
They did a farm made there a couple of years ago,
and that was the one farm made. I had to
miss oh missed the opportunity, But I have eaten a
lot of cheese.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
If that's okay, Well that makes you an honorary Wisconsinate. Okay,
you're a cheesehead, all right. So it's this one woman
who was in college and she and her mother worked
at a local hotel on the switchboard. So she says,
around Christmas nineteen fifty seven, I was in college. My
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mother and I worked from four pm to twelve midnight.
I went and got the car and pulled up to
the front of the hotel to pick her up. So
it's midnight, or very close to it. I looked at
the Capitol all decked out in Christmas lights, and as
I was sitting there, all right, you ready for this,
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a large fusia pink cigar shaped object slowly flew over
the building. I have no explanation for a large cigar
shaped object that is fuchia pink, not a typical UFO color. No, okay,
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my mom got in the car, I showed her and
the chase was on. I gave a little mental cheer.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Yes, come after it, good for you. Huh.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
We followed it, as did police cars and other people
out State Street to University Avenue. Do you love this scene?
They're chasing it, the police are chasing it, other cars
follow in the chase.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
This is one of my favorite so out State Street
to University Avenue. So if you're not familiar with Madison,
I'm sure you can look this up and follow the path.
We had the windows down to listen if true Ax
military base was scramblings. We could hear the planes, but
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they didn't take off, so there's an air force base.
It's a military base there, true Ax. We followed it
out of the city and got to my aunt Aunt's house,
blasting the horn to get them to come out, so
I just I can picture this hall there hont get out, screaming,
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honking the horn, so the ant and her family come out.
We all just stood there in awe watching The police
stopped chasing, and then we heard the jets take off
from across Lake Glendota and then chased it until out
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of sight. So the cops give up. Everybody gives up.
I guess it's out of range and at this point
the military arry jets take off and start chasing it.
You don't do that for Chinese balloon. No Chinese lantern.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I mean you're still you got you're still post World
War two. For a lot of people, You're still it's
Korea going on right now. So I get people might
be a little bit on edge Cold War.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Is this a Soviet?
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Is this a big pink Soviet nuclear bomber? You know,
anytime you see anything unusual, particularly near a state capital
and near a military base. So I would love to
see if there are any military records as to radar
and what those pilots. I bet they had some stories.
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So she gets home, she said, I called true ax Field.
The phone lines were jammed. When I did get through,
the operator first said they had scrambled jets to chase it,
then quickly said, oh, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Oops.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Mom, Yeah yeah, we scrambled jets to chase chase what.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
No, I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I said, scrambled eggs.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
That's it. That's it. No, nothing to see here, move along, so.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Great. I just these This is one of those reports
you just visualize the whole thing. So if I ever
do get to Madison, Wisconsin, I am going to be
on State Street to University. I'm sure it's a gazillion
more buildings now, but to be able to picture that.
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So nineteen fifty seven, Wow, what an amazing sighting. All right,
a true axe field. I had never heard of it. No,
I don't know if it's still.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
There were so many military bases around the country that
were much smaller, you know, and as technology and aircraft improved,
things would consolidate.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Holiday you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it may still
be there. May You know a lot of these like
Stewart went from an air Force base to commercial and
National Guard now.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah, it's run by the Port Authority, which two thumbs up.
That's why I take the RV everywhere.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
All right.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
So this final one, we're going to Christmas night nineteen
sixty eight about three am. This you know, I'm sorry
this has religious stuff here, but this is from the perspective.
If you see something, you go by what your perspective is,
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what you know in other parts of the world. You
know in Cairo, you know, are you gonna You're going
to see it with your frame of reference.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
That's the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
You as a researcher, you're looking for someone's description and
their experience. You're not looking for their interpretation of what.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
It was right.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
But this is human nature to try to connect the
dots there and make a make something that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
To that right.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Particularly, this is a ten year old kid and from
a religious family, So.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah, religion and Christmas really don't make some we're talking.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I don't want people to think I'm preaching. I am
absolutely nut and I don't agree with him, but I
think this is fascinating and it does show from somebody's perspective. Okay,
so let me just get into it. I was around
ten years old and I used to wake up every
Christmas Eve sometime in the middle of the night. I
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would wake up my sister every year excitedly exclaiming it's
almost Christmas morning. This particular year, she warned me, saying,
if you wake me up to now, you will not
live to see Christmas morning.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
I thought that would good.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
You know, I know exactly this scenario because those of
us who anxiously awaited for Christmas.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
Morning, and is it morning? It is it morning? It
is it morning? It so he said.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
So when I woke up sometime in the middle of
the night, I got up as usual and looked outside.
There was a lot of new fallen snow on the ground.
Oh did I say this was Overland Park, Kansas. Okay,
so Overland Park, Kansas.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
There was a lot of new fallen snow on the ground,
the trees and rooftops. The moon had everything lit up,
and I remember thinking how beautiful it was. After taking
in the view for a while, I got back in
bed and began to fall asleep. I heard a voice
in my head directing me to get up, that I
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had missed something. I was reluctant to get back up,
but the instruction was so strong that I finally got
back up and looked outside again. I looked all around
and saw the same beauty that I had seen the
first time, and remember thinking, yes, it's pretty, but I
don't see anything new. I then received the instruction to
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look up. When I looked up high in the sky,
what I thought to be the moon shining was such
a beautiful light on the snow was in all action,
out actuality, a star, the star, the star described in
the Bible the night Christ was born. I looked at
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the star. I looked at my sister and back and
forth many times, remembering what she had said that night
before about waking her up, and I opted not to
wake her up. As I say, I stood in wonder
of this miraculous sight for some time before returning to bed.
When I got up the next morning, I told my
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family of my experience, and remember the perplexed look on
their faces. I continue telling the story for many years,
thinking that someone could tell me what this phenomena was.
I really thought it must be a recurring astral occurrence,
and that I was just lucky enough to be privy
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to it. As the years went by, however, I finally
came to the conclusion that it is not recurring at all,
and that it was indeed a gift to reward me
for my ten years of faith in the Almighty. I
have had many sightings through the years since, a handful
of UFO sightings and a handful of spiritual sightings. I
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know in my heart of hearts that there is more
to the space we occupy than most will then people
are willing to acknowledge. This is not a story to
entertain nor deceive. It is, in fact the truth as
I remember it. The star itself had a long tail
and seemed to radiate, adding sparkle to its appearance. It
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literally looked like the star on Christmas cards. Depicted at
the birth of Christ. I had looked for great conjunctions
around that date and near that location, and have found none.
I have researched pictures of grand conjunctions, and none have
the same effect of what I saw. If you have
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a definite, a definitive explanation of what I saw, please
share it with me. If all you have are possible explanations,
I would love to hear that too, although I don't
think I'll be swayed too easily without definitive proof. Okay, so,
ten year old kid, obviously very religious. Here's someone telling
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him to look out. We hear that a lot in
UFO encounters. You know, their people are drawn to get
in their car and drive somewhere, or go outside and
look up. Okay, and then his frame of reference, he
sees a bright object with some sort of tail. To
his ten year old religious mind, this must be the
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star of Bethlehem and it comes out every year. So
do I think it was the star of Bethlehem? No,
it was something. But I wish he had woken up
his sister one more time. But we might never have
gotten this story because she might have actually killed him.
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Fair enough, so, and the fact that in later years.
Was it a conjunction of planets? Was sits he's looking for?
So he definitely saw something, and he's looking for some
sort of astronomical explanation for it. But to him, that's
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fine if he wants to think it was some sort
of religious or spiritual thing. Everybody interprets this differently, so yeah,
who am I to judge what this person saw and
how they they see it in their own religious.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Way, right, you know it works for him, But then
when you hear you know, unless I see definitive proof,
which means that no matter what proof you present, it
will never match up to his mind already being made up.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Yeah, I caught that too, and I'm like, all right,
he's looking for the Oh okay, he's not really looking
for it, right, but you know, a very impressive sight,
you know, the whole point of come and look. You know, dozens,
if not hundreds of witnesses, you know, I've spoken to
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just feel compelled to, huh. I seem to have to
go outside. I need to look, you know, I need
to go somewhere. I need to just sit here and
look for a while. So that's not unusual. But whether
you interpret it as nuts in both scientific et or
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through your frame of reference, you see it as something
spiritual religious, that's fine. So it's a it's a compelling sighting.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah, as long as the facts of what you saw
are you know, if you're upfront with that, and then
if you want to put your own explanation on it,
you know, a researcher can say, Okay, we're gonna you know,
we'll put that in paragraph too.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know, yeah, So what else
was it? I have no idea, some UFO whatever. If
you want to believe it was a religious experience for him, fine,
but it was certainly thought since we are doing a
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Christmas show and this guy was equating it to something
that happened on Christmas, you know, thinking, oh, this happens
every Christmas night, because it's something that's been going on
for thousands of years. So I'm just lucky enough to
catch the sighting. So or was it just some et
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messing with this kid. Let's put on the Star of
Bethlehem lights and freak him out.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
People have religious experiences spiritual experiences, so I don't know,
but clearly, all these years later it's he was reporting
this in twenty twenty two, so it made an impression
on him. And if you're in Overland Park, Kansas, this
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Christmas night, three o'clock in the morning, don't wake your sister, but.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
Go out and look.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:14):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
You know, one of the explanations in the mysterious airship
wave of nineteen oh nine nineteen ten, newspapers were making
fun saying, oh, people seeing Santa in his sleigh. They
didn't have Rudolph the Red Nose reindeer yet, because I'm
sure they would have used that. But you know, whatever
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it is, people can make fun of it.
Speaker 4 (52:42):
So yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
One thing if you're teasing and if you know the
person or not. But you know, if this is a
real experience for these people, and you know, all right,
let them share it. You don't need to put them down.
You're not trying to be derogatory, you know. But also
they don't mind that there's problem will be a logical
explanation for seventy five percent of them that we just
don't know.
Speaker 3 (53:04):
Right right, So anyway, I thought that was an interesting
eclectic mix of.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yeah, that was all over the place.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
It was all over the place, but it's good. It
just shows you how varied this this phenomena is. So
with that, I just for those of you who celebrate,
I wish everybody a very merry Christmas.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yeah, same, happy New Year. And Michael back, Well, Mike
should be back in January. If if they bring him
back and deposit him back where they picked him up from.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
That's right, and that's right.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Yeah, So this is it for five.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
Wow, another year in the books.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
So are you going to be outside on Christmas Eve
looking up or are you going to be in.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
Christmas even Christmas night depending on the weather. I'm going
to have to now because the amount of cases on
Christmas night is is crazy. And then we did go
through that drone wave last Christmas.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Did anybody figure that out? That came up in conversation
recently again and other than you know, some geological survey
nonsense excuse.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
Supposedly it was some company testing drones, but why they
were doing it over residential areas like that? And with
the one I saw was big.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yeah, they were big. I saw a few. I've been
I saw a few and they were low and I
hit a few of them with a with a very
powerful flashlight and spotlight, and boy, they took off fast.
Speaker 3 (54:36):
Wow. Okay, yeah, okay, interesting, good for you. Yeah, so
maybe that's part of it.
Speaker 4 (54:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
I don't think it was anything extraterrestrial.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, just now wondering what
information they were gathering because.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
You know, right, yeah, over residential areas in New York
and New Jersey and other places. But I suspected someone
had said that they may have been doing a radiological
survey that perhaps some sort of nuclear material had gone
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missing or been stolen, and you know, you can search
for it that way. I had a friend who unfortunately
was going through radiation treatment for cancer, which eventually got him.
But he left his treatment in New York City, was
coming up the Palisades Parkway and the cops pulled him
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over because their radiological sensor went off.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Yeah, we had them as well too. Yeah, so they
are much more sensitive than you might realize.
Speaker 3 (55:47):
So right, yeah, you're not going to sneak nuclear material
too many places.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Now there's a lot of even portable geological kind of
equipment that will set it off as well. That there's
no harm to you being near it, but it will
set off detectors.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
Yeah. Yeah, so who knows So whether it's drones, Rudolph,
the Star of Bethlehem, it's you know, something emitting light beams,
Chinese lanterns.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
There's a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (56:21):
So if you can tear yourself away from your family Christmas,
which as you said, some people wouldn't be very happy
to do, check it out and we'd love to hear
if you have any Christmas sightings. So that's it from
twenty twenty five. Take it away outstanding.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
So yeah, well Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy New Year,
and we look forward to Mike coming back because he
knows way more about this than I do. But it
was always a pleasure. I love hearing these things and
it just kind of makes you makes the radar go
up because you never really know to have to thank you, Linda.
We'll see next time. To see you next month.
Speaker 3 (57:01):
Take care.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
This is Travis Walton and you are listening to UFO Headquarters,
Beautiful Headquarters, and.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
We are here for our let's call it second annual
Part two Christmas UFOs. We did it last year and
people enjoyed it, so it's that time of year again.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Agreed. Yeah, So Mike is I think helping to load
Santa Sleigh right now. So I'm going to sit in
and do my best with Mike.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
He might be running security for the noise, all true.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
He might be doing that. That is definitely right up
his alley. He's very good at sorting the good and
the bad, the naughty and the behave, so he might
be running the list. Who knows, all right?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So if you have a comment, great, If you don't,
no prict I.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Have no idea what's coming, right, So I'm looking forward
to this.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Okay, So let's jump into December twenty fifth, twenty twenty four.
Oh recent, yes, at the at all, Macquatum City in Cairo, Egypt.
Not not what we typically think of as a Christmas town. No,
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not really probably not a lot of Christmas celebrating, but
I looked it up. All mcquatum City is just over
the nile from the Pyramids, so very cool area. It
was eleven thirty two am, so broad daylight. Right. This
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witness was out feeding the birds. He looked up to
see if there were any other birds, and he sees
an object. He sees a cube, which is very rare,
approximately eight thousand feet high. He said it was traveling
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at a relatively high speed and rotating. He said, I
could see the edges were kind of transparent, but the
center was hollow. It's very strange. It was the color
of the sky and clouds. It didn't want to be
noticed traveling from southeast to northwest. I really pushed my
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brain not to confuse it with a flying plastic bag.
But I'm sure it wasn't. I live on the fourth floor,
and the altitude I saw it and the way it
was traveling dismissed the plastic bag idea for me. That's
his report. Plastic bag. You'd need shape of a cube,
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you'd need some sort of structure.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, I would think it sounds like a flying Apple store,
you know, with the glass lobby and all that.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I don't think he didn't mention apple. Uh. I don't
know what to make of the cubes are very rare.
But one of the reasons I did this case was
because pine Bush had They weren't cubes, they were rectangles.
But witnesses, this was about thirteen years ago. Witnesses said
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they saw these huge rectangles that seemed to be like
looking at the bottom of a glass bottom boat, as
almost as if it was transparent or trying to be stealthy.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Okay, it's an unusual shape structurally, like to go into
space because of you know, the forces upon the corners
versus something. It's round where it distributes force evenly, you know,
so unless whatever's inside doesn't care what the pressure is outside.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
You know, it's yeah, and not exactly aero dynamic for
the atmosphere either.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Right, And if they come from somewhere that doesn't have one,
then all right, so be it. But yeah, who knows. Yeah,
it's an odd shape for for a fly. Well, unless
you're making a box kite. And then I guess it's
literally in the name.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Do you make box kites out of clear plastic? I
guess you could, but then you let it eight thousand
feet That's.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
That's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
The string breaks, I guess.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
But I just thought this was unusual. Do I have
any explanation? No, But you know, was it some sort
of experimental military craft trying cloaking things? Because there is
that cloaking technology where projectors take something from above or
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behind and project it in the front, so you kind
of you know, they even have. Have you seen those ponchos?
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Yes, yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
But basically project something in front of you that is
behind you.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Behind you.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
So was that what this was trying to do. I
don't know, But the next time you're in al Quatam City,
I will.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Make a note. That is probably the only reason I
will be going there still for this flying cube.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Although I would I would do anything to go see
the pyramids and inside that would be super cool. Okay,
So that is Christmas UFO number one. Now we get
a little closer to home, Ellwood, New York, which is
right out on Long Island. Here five forty five pm,
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so it would be dark. This is also December twenty fifth,
twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And there were three obsors who observed this for an hour,
so kind of little red flag goes up for me.
But let's see what they saw. It was in the
west and they said with the naked eye. It looked
like it had a black center with lights around the
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perimeter like a clock dial. That's interesting, and it was
emitting rays in all directions they looked. The one person
looked at had a Sony Alpha SLR camera, which is
not a cheap camera. Yeah yeah, but still, how far
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was this and what ranges the telephoto lens? They said
they could see it as a silver sphere. It was
a perfect sphere in color with texture of tevision noise,
meaning colorful pixels. I hear that, and I kind of
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think it's an artifact of the camera extended too far
out right.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I mean, yeah, I'm not a photography expert, but yes,
I understand.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah. So they said the rays could have possibly been
a reflection from behind it. So the rays are very interesting,
emitting beams of light. It moved slowly across the sky
for an hour, so you know, me, miss astronomy, I
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go to the stelarium program for Christmas Night twenty twenty four,
Venus was in the sky from about five forty five
PM till about eight so a little over two hours,
but depending on you know, it wasn't low in the sky.
So I hate even suggesting Venus. But if you look
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at Venus with an sl camera and telephoto all the
way out might give you that noise he's talking, you know,
the pixel lady.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Shit Venus is Venus fooled me that one year because
I'm up all night. I work nights, and I really
thought it was like a drone that was checking out
traffic over the I'm still calling it the tappan Zee Bridge, Yes,
in that area and all that, and you know, I
mentioned it to you and you're like, no, it's Venus.
(08:35):
I'm like, this thing is so bright, and and then
I downloaded one of the apps where you can check
out this, you know, like a stargazer kind of thing, and.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, well all right, it's Venus tail between the legs.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
But also given Christmas Eve, you know, the first thing
I thought of when you said clock Dial is like
a drone show, you know, like they do a set
of fireworks. Yeah, you know have all the pre program
drones that put on amazing shows.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
They're incredible, they make pictures.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
And yeah, so that was as soon as you say
clock Dial, I'm like, all right, I wonder if it's
like a sandy countdown in some rich town in Long
islands or something.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, it could be, but for an hour, I don't know.
We can just take these three observers at their word
that it was a you know, looked like a clock dial,
and then through the telephoto it was a silver sphere.
But I just you know, the astronomer and me has
to say an hour in the west and you're seeing
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colorful pixels.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
And nobody else said anything.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Hm.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
So so forgive me everyone for using the V word.
But you know, I can't take all of these accounts,
as you know, the absolute truth and not look for
something some explanation. So had it been in the East,
(10:05):
I would have been a lot more accepting of it,
or north or south. But maybe he saws it, so
all right, So it's something emitting beams, so in their favor.
Our next one is from December twenty fifth, twenty twenty,
so four years earlier it was an object emitting beams.
(10:29):
So like, huh, boy, if you live on Long Island
and you're there on Christmas, you better look up to
see beam emitting Christ's hotspot.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Jeez.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
So this is eight twenty nine pm that night, again
on Long Island. There were two witnesses. This one's a
little more compelling. Lasted about a minute. They were driving
on the lie, which is absolute nightmare.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You're legally required to make air quotes when you say
driving on the E because you're parking on the lie. Yes,
for those who are not in the area, Yeah, it
is perhaps one of the worst roads I've ever driven on.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
They're going between Nassau to Suffolk County. They see an object,
and this woman and her husband, and here's a quote
from her, half joking, half confused. My husband said, it
looks like a UFO. I looked up and started shaking.
I have never seen something so enormous and clear. It
(11:36):
looked like it was out of a movie. It took
me a while to start talking because I was so nervous.
It was foggy and windy, so I think we can
get balloon out of this balloon would not be in
the equation, but so clearly. The shape of it was
an upper circular dome with a lower circuitular dome and
(12:01):
then a huge flat circular disc around it. There were
lights around the entire disc, then a bright one on
top of the upper dome. The bottom dome had a
red light that was explosive and twice. The bottom seemed
to explode with red light and a strong fat light
(12:26):
beam would shoot from the bottom then suck back in,
almost like a huge smoke cloud explosion that shoots in
a straight beam then back as if someone was rewinding it.
It's so hard to explain. It traveled level with me
(12:47):
the whole time it drifted into the fog. The shape, size, light, activity, structure,
beam are nothing I have ever seen in my entire life. Wow,
what that has.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
It's almost like a rocket launch and then off right,
you know.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
That's it's yeah, exploding down and then being pulled back,
but you know, saying it. It was so enormous and clear.
So basically it was a seemed to be a flat
disc with like a bowl top shaped top and bottom,
(13:28):
which is not you know, unheard of, but to be
that huge, I can't think of. I have no other explanation.
What else would look like that, you know, I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Just grasping for straw is like a model rocket in
stages boof boof, boof, going up, but not really bowl.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Not huge.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And you know the fact that she immediately saw it
and started shaking and was so nerve. I mean, this
was not oh what is that little light. This was
something huge that just immediately freaked her out. Yeah, I
think that's that is a tremendous one. And again the
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fact that it's foggy and there it's windy, I think
takes a lot of things off the table. But yeah,
I think this is a great, great case. Again, I
have no idea other than taking her for her word
on there and they're looking at it.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
It's not like she's did they try pictures?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I think she did take some video. Unfortunately it wasn't
it wasn't included in the report, but she did try
taking got some light, so there was something in the sky.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
What the heck it was?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I have no idea, but the know when a witness says,
I immediately started shaking.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I was so nervous. I was.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
You know, this is quite a gut, you know, hitting
the gut impact. This is not oh I'm mistaking a
seven forty seven taking off from La Guardia, you.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Know, because he out on Long Island.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
You've got you know, you've got aircraft from LaGuardia, from Kennedy.
You know what air craft look like, and they don't
look like two domes exploding red lights beneath it. Yeah, curious,
so very strange. But again, if you are going to
be on Long Island Christmas night.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Look up unless you're on the lie. Oh my god, No, no.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
We didn't say. We didn't say look up on the
l ie. Look straight ahead.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Watch what you're doing. Let your passenger look up.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yes, yes, So why don't we take our first break?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
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Speaker 1 (16:12):
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Blasting the competition in New York's Hudson Valley.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
We are back on our Christmas adventure here. Some some
sketchy cases, some mind blowing cases.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yes, some you're just.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Right right, some you're like, all right, what the hell? Okay,
So technically this next one is three forty five am,
December twenty sixth, but you know it's still it's late
Christmas night.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It is.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
That's when everything goes on super sale.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
So that's yes, yes, So it's the year twenty twenty.
We're in Norwalk, Connecticut, which had a lot of activity
also during the Big Wave of the eighties with the triangles.
It's one witness he said, he got up early three
forty five am Okay, sometimes I do do that, so
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I get it. He was having caught. I was having
coffee at my desk when I noticed a triangular shaped
object moving from west to east in a very slow manner.
While moving across the sky, there were red and white
lights that would blink on and off. There was no sound,
(17:38):
and there were no other aircraft that I could see
in the area. There were no obstructions, and the object
was clearly visible and definitely triangular in shape. Okay, sounds
like rational witness. That's not embellishing what that triangular craft was.
(18:01):
But you know, you could say, all right, maybe it
was some sort of military craft, but probably that wouldn't
be moving very slow across the sky.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
No, I mean the colors right off the bat, Like
you said, aircraft colors, the morning lights and slow. To me,
I always just default to drone because we've had such
drone experiences over the last how what you two years?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, then I start taking the drone out of the
twenty twenty there were, of course, there were still drones,
But what idiot would be out at three forty five Christmas,
you know morning?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Maybe he just got wrapped it the night before and
he put it together.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
That's that's it. Maybe that's it.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, Daddy, I'm gonna go out and freak out the
neighborhood by my triangular drone.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I would say it's equally likely that daddy took the
kids drone and said, I'm going to go make sure
this works.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
That's that's probably more more in line. But the fact
that that area of Connecticut was big in the triangular
triangular sightings of the eighties and nineties, I thought it
was worth mentioning.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
And it's very similar to Long Island. You're just across
Long Island Sounds.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Oh, that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Things could be visible to both, you know. I would
imagine if you're high up at the right altitude, you're
gonna see from either way.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, that's that is a very good point. So once again,
you're anywhere near the Long Island Sound or Long Island.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, and if you're driving in Connecticut, what is it
Route eighty three, they're parking lot. If I remember whatever that.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Eighty four, don't look up, just looking please, and yeah,
be careful pulling over on eighty four. But when everybody
does it, that's fine. But yeah, all right, let's go
out to the midwest to Elgin, Illinois. It is twenty
ten Christmas night, about eleven o five pm. One witness
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about a three minute long sighting, which in terms of UFOs,
three minutes is is a lot. This witness said he
was in his backyard on the north side of the property.
That means to me it's a fairly good sized property.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yeah, it was on the north part.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah right. If your house is big enough where you
have to name it, then you're doing okay.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
If he had just said looking north right, it could
be anything, but on the north side of.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
The play exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, yeah, the rear twenty acres of Okay, so he
thought it first they were fireworks, Okay, so this is
his statement. I observed a reddish glow with what appeared
to be a yellowish fire ball in the center. The
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light continued to ascend and moved in an easterly path,
almost directly over my backyard. It maintained an elevation of
about one hundred and fifty feet and continued in an
almost due east direction. The speed of the object was slow,
about ten to fifteen miles per hour. Lost sight in
(21:24):
the low cloud cover one to two miles east. The
shape fluctuated a bit, but mainly appeared to be cylinder shape.
He reported it to the local police as it looking
kind of like a jellyfish with a cluster of two
(21:44):
or three fireballs in the center of it. There were
lines extending down from it like tentacles of a jellyfish,
defining the bottom lines as almost like a veil. The
red aura from the illumination was in the center of
the fireball cluster.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
He said.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
It was about five foot by three foot no sound.
Never saw anything like it. Okay, I don't know about you,
but this screams Chinese lantern to me. True, one of
those big jumbo ones. I even looked up. You can
get these big jumbo ones with all this little paper
(22:32):
fringe hanging down or.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
That was always seemed like a bad idea depending on
where they land. But then again, I've never heard of
a major problem from.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
One causing fires. But they in the twenty tens. I
had to look this up to the US started outlawing them,
like New Hampshire outlawed them in twenty twelve. So in Elgin, Illinois,
love to hear from people. Could you still fly them
in twenty ten? And for people who don't know what
(23:05):
a Chinese lantern is. It's a framework with very thin paper,
often red, and you light little some source, little fuel
candles or some sort of fuel source with if it's
big enough, it's multiple lights. And the way he says,
there's like two to three fireball, you know, fiery inside
(23:31):
maybe and again five foot by three foot one hundred
and fifty feet in the air going slowly.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
It's so hard to judge distances too. People are, yeah,
notoriously bad at that kind of thing. And you're right,
so basically you're making a little mini hot air balloon
almost so it's going to float and you know, right,
go that way with a flame on it. So you
may have hit the nail on the head there.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yeah, So I hate to be skeptical, but I all
so when I read this, I'm like, ah, and then
the whole jet. Yes, there are people who say they
think there's craft that look like jellyfish morphine changing.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Size and shape and all that.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
But I have to throw that out there, so I
hope I'm not going to get a lot of hate mail.
But if you live in Illinois and you know when
they outlawed which even if it was outlawed. Let's face,
it doesn't mean people weren't sending them up right. We
were at a local fireworks thing in Orange County four
(24:39):
or five years ago, and out, you know, we saw
these flaming centers of Chinese lanterns floating by. Somebody had
let them go near where they're going to have a
fireworks display, and so I looked up and I'm like, okay, yeah,
that's illegal. And I think it was a dry summer,
(25:01):
so not a good idea too.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
They're neat looking, they're cool to watch.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Oh yeah, they're beautiful. They're beautiful. Years ago I bought
some at like a flea market somewhere and then found
out they were illegal. And I'm like, oh, you can tether them.
You put a little string and then light them and
just have them around your patio or your backyard or something.
But just make sure they don't break loose and cause
(25:29):
a forest fire.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
So all right, So.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
There's a lot more skepticism here than I had planned.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
But now we've got a juicy one.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Okay, we're going way back to nineteen ninety five, which
you know, I understand now is vintage.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yes, it is the late nineteen hundreds as they say.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Ah, somebody posted something I think it was on Marketplace.
It was from the mid nineties and it's they were saying,
give you the real feel of the nineties, Like, oh.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Damn, that is.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Not fair.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
You're not fair.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
All right.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
We are going to the Caribbean, to Trinidad, which is
down by South America. I believe it is the farthest
south island in the Caribbean. Not exactly Christmas Day, twelve
twenty eight, sorry Christmas time, but this was worth it.
This was a fifteen minute full sighting. It's about five
(26:39):
thirty pm south and the Trinidad on the twelve twenty
eight might still be a little light.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
So this report came from a seismic ship. You I
had to look that up to be you know what
a seismic assuming earthquakes, that was my guess. But it
sends out seismic waves to bounce off the seafloor. They
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use these giant air guns. It's to map the seafloor
looking for oil and gas deposits. So they crew similar
but I got you, yeah, but they're creating their own
seismic waves, so they tow this equipment. It's it's cool.
It's you know, again looking for whatever anomalies there are
(27:36):
to show oil and gas deposits. So they're towing equipment,
was suddenly damaged by a huge underwater object. You can say, oh,
maybe it was a Soviet sub or you know, or
a US sub or a huge whale, except it then
(28:01):
rose out of the ocean and took off. Okay, not
a submarine.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
No it was.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
The object was then tracked on radar. The ship had
radar for ten minutes, so pretty impressive sighting. The New
Fork Organization, the National UFO Reporting Center, Peter Davenport, who
does an amazing job collecting cases, spoke directly to one
(28:34):
of the witnesses on this ship, spoke at length, and
we found him to be quite credible and convincing. And
you don't just oh, I think I'll take a seismic
ship out. It's probably a huge oil company who's paying
a lot of money. Oh yeah, for you to do this,
(28:56):
so and.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
For you to get to that position, you have been
working in the end street for a long time to
get something like that. So it's very similar to pilots
who are leary of saying something, you know, because it's
gonna it may affect your reputation. I would have imagined
something like that, but.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Wow, yeah, yeah, So I think that's uh, you know,
as you say, for someone like that to come forward.
What is not included in the brief summary of this
was the size of the or shape of the craft.
But if it was actually dark, they may not have
(29:36):
been able to tell. So you know that, well, maybe
whatever was down there didn't like those seismic waves generated.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Hey what.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
You're rocking our boat that you know, some sort of
craft is down there and you're shooting uh air guns,
air cannons down at it.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Depth charger.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So this is a whole sub subspecies
in the field unidentified submerged objects usos, which you know
are really hard to study. But when they come out
of the water and take off and you get ten
(30:21):
minutes of radar data on them and if it's light
enough possibly see them, that's pretty cool. So I think
I have redeemed myself in with the other skeptical reports
with this one.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I can't think of anything we have that in nineteen
ninety five would come up out of the water and
you know it was huge.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, I literally lived all right, something, some debris or
something floats to the surface. I could believe that, but
then right takes off and can be tracked. That's a
whole different ballgame right there.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yes it is, and this is one cool ballgame. So
I would love to interview that crew if they're still
If anybody has any other information on this case, that's amazing.
All right, let's we're staying to the south Tampa, Florida
all the way back to nineteen seventy five. It's eleven
(31:25):
pm Christmas night, and the staff at the local McDonald's
is having a Christmas party on the roof, because in Tampa, Florida,
you can have outdoor parties at Christmas, where here you
would get frost bit. One of the part time employees
(31:47):
was also at the local air Force base, had some
sort of Air Force career. I don't know what, you know,
what careers the Air Force. They allow you to have
part time jobs. I have no idea, I don't know,
but this one witnessed was described as air Force personnel
(32:12):
working part time at McDonald's. He and another employee are
on the roof. They saw a triangular, bright looking star,
which is unusual enough, but it wasn't a star because
it moved straight, zigzagged.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
And was zooming up and down.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
So the one employee asked the Air Force person, could
that be a new aircraft at McDill Air Force Base,
because that's right in the area there, and he gave
an emphatic no, nothing we have can move like that.
(32:57):
So emphatically said no. Then even more emphatically said, do
not tell anyone about this. They'll think we are nuts.
And he was worried about his career in the AIRFS.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Sure, yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
So nineteen seventy five not a good thing. Well, I
was on the roof of the McDonald's watching a UFO
zigzag around. Okay, you're you're leaving.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, we're going to go on a little vacation.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
So this one witness who reported it said, could not
have been the only one to see it. So I
know this is a stretch, but you never know. Somebody
nineteen seventy five, Tampa, you see some sort of object
zigzagging around Christmas night, eleven pm would love to hear it.
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So I think someone who works at the Air Force base,
who was with the Air Force might have some clue
of hopefully what is being flown over McDill Air Force Base.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
You never know. But it's it's kind of tough to
hide things, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
That's why at Stuart Airport here in Newburgh close to us,
here in the Hudson Valley, when people used to say, oh,
all those triangular craft they take off from Stuart, and
I'm like, really, Stuart, you're familiar.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Have you been to Stuart?
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, it's right on a major highway. You see, you
stand by the fence and you see the whole airport,
you see the hangars, you see everything. Not once did
somebody you know, I was driving by and they pulled
this huge triangle out of the uh, you know, the
hangar that no no one ever saw anything take off
(34:53):
from Stuart. You can't hide anything at Stuart.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
It's not like the middle of the desert and you've
got thousands of acres. You stand there and look into
the hangars from the road. It's everything is that close,
specially back then.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah, I mean it's different. Yeah, it's more commercial obviously, but.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
It's right right, right, But there's there's nowhere to hide anything.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
It's Stewart.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, yeah, So why don't we take our second break,
and we have two more.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
This is Hudson River.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Radio dot Com, your local Rockland County station. We are back.
We've had quite the geographical tour from Trinidad to Cairo
and yeah, all over this country. Chris Busy, Yeah it is,
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and I could you know we could do part fifty seven.
It's I think you know a lot of people are
traveling that night. Obviously you just.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Step outside because they're stuck in some house with their
family and they're like, I just need a break. I've
never smoked anything in my life, but I'm going to
go outside and start, if you'll excuse.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Me, very good point.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
All right, So I'm I've been going backwards in time.
I'm doing this in a little I'm doing a fifty seven.
Then I'm going coming back for a sixty eight. But
I'll explain that. So we're going all the way back
to nineteen fifty seven around Christmas time. They think it
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might have been a couple days after, not sure, but
Christmas time. Madison, Wisconsin.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Have you been there?
Speaker 1 (36:50):
No?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
No, I no, I am not familiar with.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
They did a farm made there a couple of years ago,
and that was the one farm made. I had to
miss oh missed the opportunity, But I have eaten a
lot of cheese.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
If that's okay, Well that makes you an honorary Wisconsinate. Okay,
you're a cheesehead, all right. So it's this one woman
who was in college and she and her mother worked
at a local hotel on the switchboard. So she says,
around Christmas nineteen fifty seven, I was in college. My
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mother and I worked from four pm to twelve midnight.
I went and got the car and pulled up to
the front of the hotel to pick her up. So
it's midnight, or very close to it. I looked at
the Capitol all decked out in Christmas lights, and as
I was sitting there, all right, you ready for this,
(37:49):
a large fusia pink cigar shaped object slowly flew over
the building. I have no explanation for a large cigar
shaped object that is fuchia pink, not a typical UFO color. No, okay,
(38:10):
my mom got in the car, I showed her and
the chase was on. I gave a little mental cheer.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Yes, come after it, good for you. Huh.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
We followed it, as did police cars and other people
out State Street to University Avenue. Do you love this scene?
They're chasing it, the police are chasing it, other cars
follow in the chase.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
This is one of my favorite so out State Street
to University Avenue. So if you're not familiar with Madison,
I'm sure you can look this up and follow the path.
We had the windows down to listen if true Ax
military base was scramblings. We could hear the planes, but
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they didn't take off, so there's an air force base.
It's a military base there, true Ax. We followed it
out of the city and got to my aunt Aunt's house,
blasting the horn to get them to come out, so
I just I can picture this hall there hont get out, screaming,
(39:24):
honking the horn, so the ant and her family come out.
We all just stood there in awe watching The police
stopped chasing, and then we heard the jets take off
from across Lake Glendota and then chased it until out
(39:45):
of sight. So the cops give up. Everybody gives up.
I guess it's out of range and at this point
the military arry jets take off and start chasing it.
You don't do that for Chinese balloon. No Chinese lantern.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I mean you're still you got you're still post World
War two. For a lot of people, You're still it's
Korea going on right now. So I get people might
be a little bit on edge Cold War.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Is this a Soviet?
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Is this a big pink Soviet nuclear bomber? You know,
anytime you see anything unusual, particularly near a state capital
and near a military base. So I would love to
see if there are any military records as to radar
and what those pilots. I bet they had some stories.
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So she gets home, she said, I called true ax Field.
The phone lines were jammed. When I did get through,
the operator first said they had scrambled jets to chase it,
then quickly said, oh, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Oops.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Mom, Yeah yeah, we scrambled jets to chase chase what.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
No, I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I said, scrambled eggs.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
That's it. That's it. No, nothing to see here, move along, so.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Great. I just these This is one of those reports
you just visualize the whole thing. So if I ever
do get to Madison, Wisconsin, I am going to be
on State Street to University. I'm sure it's a gazillion
more buildings now, but to be able to picture that.
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So nineteen fifty seven, Wow, what an amazing sighting. All right,
a true axe field. I had never heard of it. No,
I don't know if it's still.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
There were so many military bases around the country that
were much smaller, you know, and as technology and aircraft improved,
things would consolidate.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Holiday you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it may still
be there. May You know a lot of these like
Stewart went from an air Force base to commercial and
National Guard now.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah, it's run by the Port Authority, which two thumbs up.
That's why I take the RV everywhere.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
All right.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
So this final one, we're going to Christmas night nineteen
sixty eight about three am. This you know, I'm sorry
this has religious stuff here, but this is from the perspective.
If you see something, you go by what your perspective is,
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what you know in other parts of the world. You
know in Cairo, you know, are you gonna You're going
to see it with your frame of reference.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
That's the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
You as a researcher, you're looking for someone's description and
their experience. You're not looking for their interpretation of what.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
It was right.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
But this is human nature to try to connect the
dots there and make a make something that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
To that right.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Particularly, this is a ten year old kid and from
a religious family, So.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah, religion and Christmas really don't make some we're talking.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I don't want people to think I'm preaching. I am
absolutely nut and I don't agree with him, but I
think this is fascinating and it does show from somebody's perspective. Okay,
so let me just get into it. I was around
ten years old and I used to wake up every
Christmas Eve sometime in the middle of the night. I
(43:48):
would wake up my sister every year excitedly exclaiming it's
almost Christmas morning. This particular year, she warned me, saying,
if you wake me up to now, you will not
live to see Christmas morning.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
I thought that would good.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
You know, I know exactly this scenario because those of
us who anxiously awaited for Christmas.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
Morning, and is it morning? It is it morning? It
is it morning? It so he said.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
So when I woke up sometime in the middle of
the night, I got up as usual and looked outside.
There was a lot of new fallen snow on the ground.
Oh did I say this was Overland Park, Kansas. Okay,
so Overland Park, Kansas.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
There was a lot of new fallen snow on the ground,
the trees and rooftops. The moon had everything lit up,
and I remember thinking how beautiful it was. After taking
in the view for a while, I got back in
bed and began to fall asleep. I heard a voice
in my head directing me to get up, that I
(45:00):
had missed something. I was reluctant to get back up,
but the instruction was so strong that I finally got
back up and looked outside again. I looked all around
and saw the same beauty that I had seen the
first time, and remember thinking, yes, it's pretty, but I
don't see anything new. I then received the instruction to
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look up. When I looked up high in the sky,
what I thought to be the moon shining was such
a beautiful light on the snow was in all action,
out actuality, a star, the star, the star described in
the Bible the night Christ was born. I looked at
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the star. I looked at my sister and back and
forth many times, remembering what she had said that night
before about waking her up, and I opted not to
wake her up. As I say, I stood in wonder
of this miraculous sight for some time before returning to bed.
When I got up the next morning, I told my
(46:08):
family of my experience, and remember the perplexed look on
their faces. I continue telling the story for many years,
thinking that someone could tell me what this phenomena was.
I really thought it must be a recurring astral occurrence,
and that I was just lucky enough to be privy
(46:30):
to it. As the years went by, however, I finally
came to the conclusion that it is not recurring at all,
and that it was indeed a gift to reward me
for my ten years of faith in the Almighty. I
have had many sightings through the years since, a handful
of UFO sightings and a handful of spiritual sightings. I
(46:54):
know in my heart of hearts that there is more
to the space we occupy than most will then people
are willing to acknowledge. This is not a story to
entertain nor deceive. It is, in fact the truth as
I remember it. The star itself had a long tail
and seemed to radiate, adding sparkle to its appearance. It
(47:18):
literally looked like the star on Christmas cards. Depicted at
the birth of Christ. I had looked for great conjunctions
around that date and near that location, and have found none.
I have researched pictures of grand conjunctions, and none have
the same effect of what I saw. If you have
(47:39):
a definite, a definitive explanation of what I saw, please
share it with me. If all you have are possible explanations,
I would love to hear that too, although I don't
think I'll be swayed too easily without definitive proof. Okay, so,
ten year old kid, obviously very religious. Here's someone telling
(48:03):
him to look out. We hear that a lot in
UFO encounters. You know, their people are drawn to get
in their car and drive somewhere, or go outside and
look up. Okay, and then his frame of reference, he
sees a bright object with some sort of tail. To
his ten year old religious mind, this must be the
(48:25):
star of Bethlehem and it comes out every year. So
do I think it was the star of Bethlehem? No,
it was something. But I wish he had woken up
his sister one more time. But we might never have
gotten this story because she might have actually killed him.
(48:46):
Fair enough, so, and the fact that in later years.
Was it a conjunction of planets? Was sits he's looking for?
So he definitely saw something, and he's looking for some
sort of astronomical explanation for it. But to him, that's
(49:09):
fine if he wants to think it was some sort
of religious or spiritual thing. Everybody interprets this differently, so yeah,
who am I to judge what this person saw and
how they they see it in their own religious.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Way, right, you know it works for him, But then
when you hear you know, unless I see definitive proof,
which means that no matter what proof you present, it
will never match up to his mind already being made up.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Yeah, I caught that too, and I'm like, all right,
he's looking for the Oh okay, he's not really looking
for it, right, but you know, a very impressive sight,
you know, the whole point of come and look. You know, dozens,
if not hundreds of witnesses, you know, I've spoken to
(50:03):
just feel compelled to, huh. I seem to have to
go outside. I need to look, you know, I need
to go somewhere. I need to just sit here and
look for a while. So that's not unusual. But whether
you interpret it as nuts in both scientific et or
(50:24):
through your frame of reference, you see it as something
spiritual religious, that's fine. So it's a it's a compelling sighting.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah, as long as the facts of what you saw
are you know, if you're upfront with that, and then
if you want to put your own explanation on it,
you know, a researcher can say, Okay, we're gonna you know,
we'll put that in paragraph too.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know, yeah, So what else
was it? I have no idea, some UFO whatever. If
you want to believe it was a religious experience for him, fine,
but it was certainly thought since we are doing a
(51:09):
Christmas show and this guy was equating it to something
that happened on Christmas, you know, thinking, oh, this happens
every Christmas night, because it's something that's been going on
for thousands of years. So I'm just lucky enough to
catch the sighting. So or was it just some et
(51:31):
messing with this kid. Let's put on the Star of
Bethlehem lights and freak him out.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
People have religious experiences spiritual experiences, so I don't know,
but clearly, all these years later it's he was reporting
this in twenty twenty two, so it made an impression
on him. And if you're in Overland Park, Kansas, this
(52:04):
Christmas night, three o'clock in the morning, don't wake your sister, but.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
Go out and look.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:14):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
You know, one of the explanations in the mysterious airship
wave of nineteen oh nine nineteen ten, newspapers were making
fun saying, oh, people seeing Santa in his sleigh. They
didn't have Rudolph the Red Nose reindeer yet, because I'm
sure they would have used that. But you know, whatever
(52:40):
it is, people can make fun of it.
Speaker 4 (52:42):
So yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
One thing if you're teasing and if you know the
person or not. But you know, if this is a
real experience for these people, and you know, all right,
let them share it. You don't need to put them down.
You're not trying to be derogatory, you know. But also
they don't mind that there's problem will be a logical
explanation for seventy five percent of them that we just
don't know.
Speaker 3 (53:04):
Right right, So anyway, I thought that was an interesting
eclectic mix of.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yeah, that was all over the place.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
It was all over the place, but it's good. It
just shows you how varied this this phenomena is. So
with that, I just for those of you who celebrate,
I wish everybody a very merry Christmas.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yeah, same, happy New Year. And Michael back, Well, Mike
should be back in January. If if they bring him
back and deposit him back where they picked him up from.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
That's right, and that's right.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Yeah, So this is it for five.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
Wow, another year in the books.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
So are you going to be outside on Christmas Eve
looking up or are you going to be in.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
Christmas even Christmas night depending on the weather. I'm going
to have to now because the amount of cases on
Christmas night is is crazy. And then we did go
through that drone wave last Christmas.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Did anybody figure that out? That came up in conversation
recently again and other than you know, some geological survey
nonsense excuse.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
Supposedly it was some company testing drones, but why they
were doing it over residential areas like that? And with
the one I saw was big.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yeah, they were big. I saw a few. I've been
I saw a few and they were low and I
hit a few of them with a with a very
powerful flashlight and spotlight, and boy, they took off fast.
Speaker 3 (54:36):
Wow. Okay, yeah, okay, interesting, good for you. Yeah, so
maybe that's part of it.
Speaker 4 (54:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
I don't think it was anything extraterrestrial.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, just now wondering what
information they were gathering because.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
You know, right, yeah, over residential areas in New York
and New Jersey and other places. But I suspected someone
had said that they may have been doing a radiological
survey that perhaps some sort of nuclear material had gone
(55:16):
missing or been stolen, and you know, you can search
for it that way. I had a friend who unfortunately
was going through radiation treatment for cancer, which eventually got him.
But he left his treatment in New York City, was
coming up the Palisades Parkway and the cops pulled him
(55:37):
over because their radiological sensor went off.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Yeah, we had them as well too. Yeah, so they
are much more sensitive than you might realize.
Speaker 3 (55:47):
So right, yeah, you're not going to sneak nuclear material
too many places.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Now there's a lot of even portable geological kind of
equipment that will set it off as well. That there's
no harm to you being near it, but it will
set off detectors.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
Yeah. Yeah, so who knows So whether it's drones, Rudolph,
the Star of Bethlehem, it's you know, something emitting light beams,
Chinese lanterns.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
There's a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (56:21):
So if you can tear yourself away from your family Christmas,
which as you said, some people wouldn't be very happy
to do, check it out and we'd love to hear
if you have any Christmas sightings. So that's it from
twenty twenty five. Take it away outstanding.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
So yeah, well Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy New Year,
and we look forward to Mike coming back because he
knows way more about this than I do. But it
was always a pleasure. I love hearing these things and
it just kind of makes you makes the radar go
up because you never really know to have to thank you, Linda.
We'll see next time. To see you next month.
Speaker 3 (57:01):
Take care.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
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