UFO Sightings by Police

Recorded live at the 2024 Pine Bush UFO Fair in Pine Bush, New York, on June 1, 2024.

Episode Transcript

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Hudson River Radio dot Com. Thisis Travis Walton and you are listening to
UFO Headquarters, beautiful Headquarters. Andhello everyone, welcome to another exciting episode.
We are live once again. Mike. We are all listen to the

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crowd. We are at the famousPine Bush UFO Fair having a great time.
It's finally a beautiful day. Yes, and we have an awesome,
awesome crowd listening to us. Becauseyes, they're just like us. They
love this Stu. I love thisthough. All right, So you have
cop sightings. I believe I do. I do, and I'm sure most

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of our listeners know that I ama retired police officer. I did do
twenty two years. The bulk ofthat service was as an investigator detective,
so I do know a little bitabout investigating. Yeah, the people on
television, yes, exactly, thankyou. I didn't have to say at
this time. But I did havehomicides and stuff, and I did retire

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as a sergeant. And I'm goingto start with a Port Jervis sighting.
So this is going to be myhometown and I'm going to actually read directly
to you from the police blotters ofthe time. I can't tell you how
extremely rare it is to get anythingofficial from a police department about anything paranormal,
let alone a UFO. Can youjust explain what a blotter is so

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a blotter, especially back I'm goingto be in the sixties where big bounds
the ledger books basically with numbered pages, and they would just basically write everything
they did that day, you know, starting at six o'clock am. You
know, crossed missus Smith at theintersection, handled accident, you know,
someone called about a barking dot.Actually it's funny when I read him,

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they yield the same nonsense that Idealt with for twenty two years. Nothing's
changed, just a different level.But it was basically everything that happened,
and then the officers would come inif they handled something, and they would
write what they did. Did theywrite a ticket, did they handle a
burglary? Call? Very sophisticated system. Now it's all replaced by computers.
Port Jervis I believe goes back tothe nineteen twenties, which is so rare

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up until the seventies when they switchedto a different format. So when Linda
first contacted me, she saw areference to it right in a newspaper article.
I'm like, I'm going to theblotters, and so I am going
to read to you directly from theblotters, and I'm going to mention an
officer quite a bit at the time. His name was Frank Massinatti, and

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I just want you to know alittle bit about the man that is reporting
some of this because he was ano nonsense cop. He was an eighty
veteran of World War Two, sohe probably knew a little bit about what
he was seeing. No nonsense,very serio, used to straightforward on the
job. Off the job a gooster, but on the job now very smart.

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He rose to the ranks, becamea sergeant, and then when he
became chief, he had the chiefhe had like one of the highest stores
scores in the state. So verysmart man. He was chief for a
long time. I talked to hisfamily. He never mentioned it to him,
but they said that this is somethinghis daughter said he would never make
something like this up. So alot of credibility from the witness, even

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though I never personally met him thatI remember. So let's go to September
twenty second, nineteen sixty five.I wasn't even born yet rub it in
Oh, I thought you were sixtysix, you were born So this is
going to be Officer Massinatti entering hisblodder nine to fifty six pm answered call

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to Paul hess HES's store, KingstonAvenue, who said that he's seen circular
objects in the sky with yellow,red, and green lights pointed at pointed
it out me and in the northby northeastern section of the sky low stars
was a bright white star with redand green lights circling same very bright in

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colors when seen through binoculars. Couldnot make out what it was, but
seemed to be traveling north by northeastto south by southwest very slowly. That
signed Massinatti. So Paul haus wasa longtime store owner. In fact,
his family I think still owns thestore. Oh wow. So he didn't

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have any incentive to make himself thecrackpot of town if he had no store
town, especially right being a longtimeresidence. So then we're going to fast
forward a couple of days and we'regoing to go to September twenty fifth,
one twenty five pm. And there'snot much else about this. I couldn't

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follow find any follow up, buta detective Wagner, who I knew growing
up, made a note at onetwenty five pm that A Ronald Velton from
Tri County Filter Center at Fosterdale,New York. Where is Fosterdale? Oh,
that's out more towards Pennsylvania, isit okay? Informed headquarters he came

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in to inform them that he willbe coming back for information on unidentified flying
objects. Okay, So he wascoming to the cops to get more information.
So obviously he saw. I don'tknow if he ever came back.
There's no further note, but thedetective Wagner at the time must have been

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on the desk felt it was necessaryto document it. So I found that
very interesting. That same day,September twenty fifth, nine o'clock PM at
nine oh four to be specific,this is an entry by Lieutenant Coswick,
so he was a desk officer atthe time and he would have been this
down based upon Massinati making a reportto him, probably on the radio nine

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oh four pm. Officer Massinatti reportshe observes the same object with green,
red and white lights in the northernsky that he saw Wednesday night. So
now it's the officer making the report. I find interesting. Again, not

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something you're gonna report if you don'tsee it, especially back in this yet,
because cops get correct me if I'mwrong. Brian and Mike they kind
of make fun of one another oncein a while. Sometimes they rib each
other, Oh yeah, yeah,you don't want to set yourself up for
ridicule. The locker room is moredangerous than any crime, let me tell

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you. I used to say it'smore dangerous getting suited up than it is
once you leave the door, especiallywith the knives in the back sometimes.
But Brian can't understand that too.But it's interesting. But also this was
an official record, right, soit took a lot for somebody of that
standing to put it on the record. Right. If you were lying about
this as today, that would havebeen a disciplinary issue, would have been

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a violation of the roles and regulations. So there's no way he's making that
up. He's he's seeing something now. In September twenty seventh, at eight
thirty pm, a Jean Smith anda Danny Mudrick of Butler Trailer Park,
And that's up by me where Ilive in Sparabush, New York. And
it's still there. It's not inPort Jervis, but they must have made

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the report report a disc shaped objectwith rotating red lights traveling at great speed,
low and no sound seen by them. These were two separate calls at
about the same time, so theyweren't calling together. They called independently of
one another to report what they saw. So that's again, so these sightings

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are piling up over the course ofdays, and that's the desk officer was
Chant at the time, and againhe was another no none. All those
guys back then were no nonsense,you know, very very serious. Now
here's what I think is my favoriteentry, and I think we'll explain a
little bit more about this. Thatsame night, September twenty seventh, at
ten pm, the desk officer Chantmade an entry Major work Stuart Air Force

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Base phoned and inquired about flying objects. Claims he is swamped by phone calls
from people in Port Jervis, Middletownand Goshen reporting all kinds of objects in
the sky. I informed him wehad several calls regarding reporting objects in the

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sky, but I myself had notseen any. Stuart Air Force Base at
the time was a hub of ProjectBlue Book, so that was yeah,
a lot of you things were goingon there, so maybe that's why people

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thought to call yeah there and Inever was able to with that swamped with
swamped with calls. And I cantell you in twenty two years of police
work, I can't ever think ofanybody from the military calling unless it was
a background check on someone enlisting.So that that's pretty in a major Nonetheless,
that's yeah, you're getting up highin the chain of command. But

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if anybody listening those of a majorwork was that Stuart Air Force Base in
the sixties. I've been unable toreally find any information about him, and
trying to google major works you're atair Force base, it just brings up
major work projects. But Stewart Airport, so I can tell you the history
of construction, But if anybody knowsof the major work that may have been

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stationed there, I would love toget a little bit more information about him.
Maybe he's still around, you know. So now we're going to go
ahead to September twenty ninth. Nowthis may or may not have been a
UFO, but it's on than usual. I've never really come across to it,
and going through other blotterers of thetime period, but on September twenty
ninth, at four fifty five pm, a Missus Monica Kozakowski, who lives

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at Franklin in Church Street, reportsan explosion some distance off jarred her house,
causing a sixty nine dollars mirror tofall and break. And here's the
best part, and she wants someoneto pay for it. Lieutenant Coslic at

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the time, who took this report, advised her it could possibly be a
sonic boom and it would be almostimpossible to determine liability. Yeah, send
your bill to the Air Force.Good luck, hey for effort for traun
well sixty nine dollars mirror in thesixties, what what was it? Solid
gold? I wouldn't pay sixty dollarsfor a mirror to that, just glass

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and reflecting. So then the lastend you that even comes close to it
is October fifth to twenty am.Massinatti again answered a call to missus it
looks like ruper, Oh, nogrouper. Fowler Street, who reported that
she could see a light going onand off up towards Ridge Avenue, could

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not find no wires arcing, couldbe street lights. She seen with trees
blowing back and forth giving an illusionof a light going off and on.
Could be, but I'm again,when you live somewhere, you kind of
get used to what it looks likewhen you look out your window. Yeah,
she should know what it looks likewhen the wind's blowing and the light's

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going on and off. So wementioned I was going to talk about all
these other How are we doing ontime? By the way, Brian,
we're good. Oh, we're gonnatake a break. We're gonna take our
break real quick, and then we'llcome back and really delve into this.
This is Hudson River Radio dot com, your local Rockland County station. This

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is Hudson River Radio dot Com.To So, the Project Blue Book files
are available online, at least whatthey've released. I mean, who knows
what they didn't release. They keptthe good ones. I decided to look

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around nineteen sixty five, around youknow, September, October of sixty five
the Hudson Valley. What kind ofreports were they getting? These are coming
out of Stuart Air Force Base reportingNow, so this is Stuart Air Force
Base. As Linda said, itwas part of Project Blue Book. So
this one on September twenty seventh,nineteen sixty five Swan Lake, New York.

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It's in Ulster County, I believeby Sliman by Liberty right Sullivan.
And I'm just gonna give you thesummary. And this is the summary from
the Air Force. By the way, observer watched a white disk make a
shallow dive then proceed into a climbingturn. The object was just like a

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bright light to the naked eye.It is uncertain what asmuth the object was
spotted because the road is quite wandingwinding. The observer is uncertain of asthmuth
of disappearance. Also, description andphotos are consistent with that of a balloon
sighting. I like how they goright to the balloon sting always the balloon.

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It's yeah, and I believe thisone does have photos. Of course,
you know they don't reproduce. Well, no, they're photo copied,
yeah, file and scan so yeah, good luck getting originals. Yeah,
but they are on line and theydid have them cleaned up because the photos
in the original file were worse,and then they did actually send them off
because you see something, but it'svery hard. It came back from the

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Foreign Technology Division, so they thoughtenough of it to send it for analysis.
If it was a balloon, whyare you sending it to the Foreign
Technology Division? Right? So ifyou do find this report online you can
see the original photos. Then youcan see the photos as having been analyzed
and you know, cleaned up,and it is hard to see even on
now because again the reproductions are justnot where they should be. Anybody know

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where Dunkirk, New York is?Where is that? Is that upstate or
is that? Yeah to the westwestern. So Dunkirk was also seeing things
at exactly the same time they hada report with it. Here. I
printed up stuff about the chief incase they had questions about them. But

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this was on September twenty third,so right around the beginning in the Port
Jervis wave. Dunkirk Police received anumber of telephone calls Wednesday evening in regards
to an unidentified flying object in thesky. Lieutenant Edward Moulville and Patrolman Ally
Sooys Sazynski stated that they observed theobject and that it was a satellite.

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Satellite can often be seen on clearnights. I I don't know, I
don't think so. Again, sowe have a wave going on in New
York at this time, So let'sgo up to Glen's Falls, New York
for on the same period. Thisisn't August, so it's a little bit

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before. I'll just summarize this alittle bit. Glenn's Fall area skies may
once again have been invaded by mysteriousobjects. At least, sightings of unidentified
flying objects were reported in Corinth andSouth Glen's Falls last night, so that
would have been August twenty fifth.In Corinth, the sightings like a balloonful
of water were made. I'm notgoing to read the whole article. The

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unidentified flying object, a balloon fullof water apparently balloon fall of what quite
a description was seen at about eightforty five southeast of Corinth, disappearing into
the northeast. It was reported tobe about ten times the size of a
star and was orange and color andround in shape except for a slight bulge
at the bottom. That's the waterpart. That's the water port. So

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I kind of understand what they're explainingnow. Yeah, it was visible on
the horizon for about three minutes,and they also saw it the previous evening
that this water balloon was hovering aroundfor two days. I see now in
South Glen Falls, the State Policereceived reports. So now the state police

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received reports of unidentified flying objects,and they themselves. The state police reported
seeing it themselves. At about tenpm in the Western sky troopers reported seeing
a light swinging in a big circleparallel with the ground. Do water balloons
do that? I don't know onJuly twenty six. In August six reports

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of mysterious objects were received from arearesidents. The reports, however, we're
not similar. The first sightings wereof a silver saucer, the second two
bright lights shimmering and egg get shaped. Egg shaped? Yep, egg shaped?
So coour the wind's gonna barthing away. That's for those of you not
here. It's a little windy.And Mike's notes are yeah, scattering.

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So I found that interesting though,because again it's all within the same timeframe.
We have local police, state policefrom Port Jervis to Glen Falls to
Dunkirk. Yeah, these things neveroccur in isolation, it seems. The
more we when you get a report, it might seem like it's an isolated
incident until you just dig a littlebit beneath the surface and all of a

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sudden you say, something is goingon. Now, remember when I talked
about Major Work. He mentioned theywere being you know, swamped with calls
from Middletown, Ghoshen, et cetera. There's a Project bluebook report from GOSH
in New York, September twenty seventh, nineteen sixty five, the very day
of the call from Major Work.Okay, coincidence, I think not,

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thank you, and I'm gonna justagain, this is the summer. A
circular object with conical top, quitelarge. All right, pause, A
circular object with conical top yep,like what Nancy saw over near west that
she called it an ice cream cone. Yeah, the other directionation very similar,

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quite large. One object, rowof steady red lights on circumference,
green lights on top, left,low whistling sound associated with object by witness.
Object was offset to the right.Object hovered turned north in east.
Oh wait, turn north and south, moved west, backed up, and

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then passed out of sight to theeast in sight for about ten minutes.
And I know the area of thissighting. It's good sky view. Now
their conclusion witness regards is unreliable.That's an awfully good There's very detailed information
about the sighting, the weather,conditions, everything, and that's their conclusion.

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I love the and it was seenby multiple people too, right,
Like, why are they unreliable?I'd like to at least hear a little
bit. Middletown, New York.We're back in Orange County, not far
from Port Jervis, September twenty sixth, nineteen sixty five, right within that
site. And again i'll character I'llsummarize us up. But this has newspaper

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articles about it. And again thisis all online. You can you can
do some digging. Circular disc shapedobject and it's hard to read the boss,
the cone on the bottom. Therewe go again. Yep, flashing
red, green and white lights,no features noted. Observed at forty to

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thirty degree forty elevation in the northwest, still there after two hours, but
at binoculars, So I guess theycould see it with binoculars. Okay,
also observed following night in same placeaccording to newsparp arracles, So that's what
they're basing it on. Their conclusion. Sighting has characteristics of an astro body.

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Sighting one star it's hard to read. Our office was at fifteen degree
elevation. It was a star withflashing red and green lights with a conical
bottom and a very specific star.Apparently I have to look at that star
through my telescope. I've never seena conical bottom stone. You're Linda's amateur

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astronomer. She knows what the sky'sgot. So and they're quite a bit
on this one. And again theconclusions are always insulting to people's intelligence.
They always are. Yeah, butblue Book wasn't to confirm UFOs. It
was to diminish people's credibility, toinsult them, to ridicule them, and

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to explain it away. As Ialways said, that Blue Book had.
You remember those magic eight balls whenyou were a kid, you'd shake it,
and I think that's what blue Bookhad. They had a magic eight
ball and they'd shake it. Ohit was Venus again. Ah, this
one was swampcakes. I had onereport I was dealing with over from Putnam

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County. This woman gave an amazingdetailed report, drew sketches of how the
craft moved. It was her house, the yard where the craft was,
and the investigating officer drew a smilingsnowman in the yard and put all these
little goofy things. So that's howhow serious they were taking their reporting.

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Yeah. I like the magic ablic basically what it was. So there
was a report, there's no summary, but it was on July twenty fifth
of nineteen sixty five in Bloomingberg,New York. And they concluded that it
was an aircraft's observation. And youcan see this is quite a thick file

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for an aircraft. Though again thisstuff's not a line. It makes for
very entertaining Monticello, New York.We're all familiar, Hope, mancellap and
Sullivan County, July twenty FIR nineteensixty five. Reports submitted in August,
over one month after sighting, sookay, a little bit of time went
by. Consisted of triangular shaped object, white with red nose and a bright

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light aft, described as fastest thingin the sky. First object was forty
to fifty degree elevation, second objectfive to ten degree elevation. First faded
near vertical, second disappeared over thehorizon. Fast speed reported is inconsistent with
the duration of two minutes that Iread that one. I don't remember if

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I did, I don't think.So this is a triangle in sixty five.
That's a very early triangle site.This is their conclusion. No data
presented to indicate that the objects couldnot have been aircraft. Four jet aircraft
routes intersect twenty miles south of observer'slocation. Did they look like triangles?
So apparently the observer has to provehimself wrong or do the complete investigation right.

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And I'm going to add, I'msure that an air force base could
get aircraft information from other airports asto who was in the sky and potentially
where. Yeah, I like it. No evidence to suggests that it couldn't
be insulting Monroe, New York backto Orange County. I know there's I

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got off on these blue books.Just I talked to Linda. I'm like
I fell down a rabbit hole.October of nineteen sixty five. Again,
this is a wave in this area. Movement of object among star background drew
observer's attention. First sighted forty degreesabove horizon, movement northwest to southeast.
Disappeared at eighty degrees above the horizon. White possibly tinted blur, no sound,

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trail, tailor exhaust. Conclusion,satellite description consistent with satellite observation.
Maybe, I mean, who amI to say they're wrong? It is
the air Force. They would nothave made that up. No air force
doesn't lie. And then I gottwo more of My favorite one was last
location, Montgomery, New York,October twelfth is sixty five round red flashing

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light looked like a revolving wheel,no tailor exhaust. Observer heard a deep
whine when object was overhead. Rememberanother report had that whining sound. Alphe
yes, yes. When first observedobject was at forty five degrees above the
horizon of the east, disappeared belowthe horizon to the east. Object reapproached
from the east, circled and flewback to northeast, flew out of sight

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to northeast, so it circled backaround the observer. Yep, it looks
like the reporter, the person whoservant made an informal investigation with base weather
station, local tower and radar Radarcontrol. Looks like tower advised that a
helicopter was working in area at thereported time, that the helicopter was using

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an anti collision light. And thenthey advised that there was a heliport working
covering that time of the alleged occurrence. So doesn't say that's what it was
for sure, could but they're trying. They're trying to at least that one's
got a little bit of reasonable.Yeah, you can, you can give
the benefit of the doubt, butthat all right. One one. And

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I couldn't find the guy where theysay that he's unreliable because he's uh oh
yeah, with somebody in Goshen.I know. I know that that he
had some UFO books in his house, so they deemed him unreliable. I
had it somewhere, But the lastone is Ellenville, New York, September
twenty seventh, nineteen sixty five.And it seems like that night's very big.

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I'll give you the summary real quick, and then I'm just going to
go to what I have on myscreen. All the objects were reported to
be moving and had red and greenflashing lights. Most of them were moving
from east to west. Some wouldappear to hover and change course. Nothing
to indicate the objects were not aircraft. That was their consc So it was

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multiple craft this time. Now thiswas a tough one to really talk about
because there's a statement and it's unfortunatelyextremely faded, and everything I did in
photoshop, there was an AI programthat claimed it could do it. Yeah,
no, not yet. No,maybe they're that you have to pay
for it, but the free onesforget it. But I'm just gonna it's

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this is what the report was.So a person wrote in, My son
who was on the Ellenville Police Forceand his partner of the shift stopped on
their rounds patrolling the streets and askedmy older son and I what we were
doing outside at the time of night, because it was cold. It was

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it's like nine thirty at night.We told them that we were looking at
some flying objects in the sky andone of them had just passed over our
heads. And at that time theythought it might have been Telestar, which
was a satellite. That's what thepolice officer thought because it went over the

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area, but they did not agree. So while they were standing there,
that includes the police officers talking,they looked over to the west and saw
flashing lights and they saw a brightgreen flash of light go down behind a
hill in the direction of and it'ssomething ridge. I can't make out the
word. So now the police arewitnessing this too. They see a bright

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green flash of light and then somethinggo down there. They thought what they
saw. What they thought too,appeared a very large explosion that lit up
the whole side of the mountain.My son and I are the only ones
that saw this green flash before theexplosion, and there was no sound.

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In my forty nine years, Ihave seen a lot of falling stars and
never bright and green like that.So I don't know how much time we
were on Brian, but I thinkthat's a good area to leave it at.
Yeah, there's been a lot ofgreen flashes in the Ellenville area.
Anybody ever seen a green flash?Yes? Okay, all right, so

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Mike bring us out. I'm goingto bring it out by saying one.
I'm gonna end up thinking myself deeperinto a rabbit hole about these nineteen sixty
five sightings. I smell a book. I smell a book too. Another
one, but again, thank you, we had one for audience. Can
we get round of applause? Everybody? Here's it. That is not a
sound, that is not a soundtrack, So so hold back. I'm much
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