January 29, 2025 • 55 mins
As California reels from devastating wildfires exacerbated by climate change, another threat grows… Bird Flu. The New York Times warns that the possibility of a pandemic is “no longer remote.” At the core of these calamities? Industrialized animal agriculture, accelerating climate change and raising the risk of pandemics by exploiting animals in the food system through systemic overcrowding and cruelty. But, the destructive role of factory farming is being ignored by government and mainstream media. Now, Congress debates a new Farm Bill that will determine US government subsidies to animal agriculture for years to come. Here to discuss this web of interlocking catastrophes is Dr. Crystal Heath, the veterinarian founder of Our Honor, Free from Harm’s Robert Grillo and TheirTurn’s Donny Moss. UnchainedTV’s Jane Velez-Mitchell moderates.
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Breaking news to bring you as California reels
from devastating wildfires exacerbated by climate change.
It's truly a disaster.
Now another threat is growing.
You're looking at dead cows dumped on the
side of the road in California, undoubtedly victims
of bird flu, and the New York Times
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is warning that the possibility of a pandemic
is no longer remote.
At the core of these calamities, industrialised animal
agriculture, accelerating climate change, raising the risk of
pandemics by exploiting animals in the food system
through systemic overcrowding and cruelty.
But the destructive role of factory farming is
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being ignored by the government and by mainstream
media.
That's a very sick cow you're looking at
there.
Now Congress is debating a new farm bill
that will determine U.S. government subsidies to
animal agriculture for years to come.
Meanwhile, the incoming administration wants to cut two
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trillion dollars from the budget and the ag
bailouts packed in the farm bill are an
obvious solution that nobody seems to see.
Here to discuss it all, we have three
experts, Robert Grillo of Free From Harm, as
well as Donnie Moss from TheirTurn.net, and
we're going to be joined by Dr. Crystal
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Heath, a veterinarian who is being persecuted for
bringing this subject up.
I want to start with you, Robert Grillo,
because you have literally stormed into the halls
of Congress, basically shouting and screaming, begging to
get members of Congress to look at the
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disastrous impact of this massive bailout to animal
agriculture on climate change, on the bird flu,
on human health, because it funds fast food
and junk food.
Is anybody listening?
I think so, Jane.
I think people are listening.
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The people we're targeting are some of the
top decision makers, the biggest decision makers making
the biggest deals and decisions in Congress as
well as in the private sector.
Just this last week, we confronted Senator John
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Cornyn from Texas, a CEO of the American
Farm Bureau Federation, Zippy Duvall, one of the
powerful people in the world, not just in
agriculture, but one of the biggest power players
shaping the farm bill, and the CEO of
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Fairlife, Tim Doleman, at the Dairy Forum.
All in three days, the last three days,
we've confronted these people.
The responses are all over the place, but
these people want less government.
They say they want less government, but when
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it comes to subsidies for animal agriculture, they're
calling for more, which makes zero sense.
If you want less regulation, and you want
to cut the government's budget, then you can't
say, oh, but we still want a massive
bailout for animal agriculture.
The Americans don't want that.
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Let's look at one of your speak truth
to power confrontations.
I warn everybody, it's shaky video, but that's
what happens when you speak truth to power.
Americans need a farm bill that protects public
health, animals, and the environment.
And then our livestock producers are facing their
own set of hurdles, which is why I'm
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focused on strengthening eradication efforts from things like
feral swine and cattle feeder ticks, which cause
devastating losses for ranchers across Texas and across
the nation.
To build on that, we need an animal
disease vaccine ban.
The bird flu is insane.
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Animal ag is to blame, and the animal
ag bailout.
Slaughter-free plant-based food system.
I'm tired of our money going to bailing
out all these animal ag industries.
You need to leave, sir.
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Show them the Farm Bureau heart and the
farm heart.
So there you go, Robert, when you were
thrown out, the crowd cheered.
Yeah.
So Zippy Duvall is a thin-skinned person
that he is, in my opinion, a bit
of an egomaniac.
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Can I just say something?
We have to keep personal attacks out of
this.
And I'll also say, I invite anybody mentioned
in this broadcast on at any time, we'd
love to dialogue with you.
But I mean, the point is you're trying
to, any way you can, get this word
out, and you get thrown out.
And not only are you thrown out, but
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they're cheering as you're thrown out.
Well, sure, because in true Trump fashion, that's
what you do.
If you're used to being in power and
you're used to trying to control the narrative,
you rouse the crowd against one dissenting voice
in the audience because you don't want to
hear dissent.
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That's a very classic authoritarian type of tactic.
That's something that we've seen from Trump.
And from people like this, we're going to
see the same thing.
But believe me, the one thing people are
going to remember from the thousands of people
in that room, the one thing that they
will probably remember is not the boring rhetoric
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that they hear from Zippy Duvall, or Senator
John Cornyn, or these other guys, but they're
probably going to remember the fact that there
was some dissent.
And that doesn't happen very, very often in
these circles.
And for us to get a message out
of dissent about a different path forward is
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something that a lot of people will probably
remember rather than the boring rhetoric.
Well, okay.
I agree with you.
And first of all, I applaud you for
your courage and your team for going in
there and speaking truth to power.
I want to bring in Dr. Crystal Heath,
who's a veterinarian, and she has also tried
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to speak truth to power.
Dr. Heath, first, I want to play a
clip of you speaking at VMX, the veterinary
meeting and expo recently, where you outlined how
you were essentially persecuted for asking some tough
questions about animal agriculture and what is happening
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with, well, the way we're treating animals in
the food system, particularly as it connects to
mass killing of animals to prevent bird flu,
which is not working.
I was kind of thrust into the public
sphere about all of this.
I had voiced concerns about water-intensive animal
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protein production practises, terminal surgeries, and all these
things.
And my colleagues told me I really should
shadow a livestock veterinarian so I know what
I'm talking about.
And I grew up in the porridge.
I studied animal science at UC Davis before
going to vet school.
I think I know what I'm talking about,
but I also recognise that I don't work
in animal production.
So I posted on the veterinary Facebook group
that I was looking to shadow a livestock
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vet.
And then it was like kind of this
perfect storm.
It was COVID.
It was like the industry was already on
edge.
And this pileup assumed that like I did
not respect at all.
This meme went out about me.
I was banned from veterinary Facebook groups.
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And it was like scary.
My colleagues were sending me all of like,
I was banned, but then my colleagues were
sending me screenshots of the things that people
were saying about me.
And I can like look at it and
laugh like right now, but it was quite
frightening at the time.
And it's just so frustrating to like not
be able to set the record straight in
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these groups because I was banned and locked
and couldn't tell my own story.
Dr. Heath, first of all, wow.
You and Robert, and we're going to talk
to Donny.
The courage that it takes to speak truth
to power to these powerful organisations without naming
specific names.
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Tell us your ordeal and what you've gone
through.
Yeah.
I mean, I have been character assassinated.
I have been smeared as somebody who collaborates
with terrorist organisations, who works for terrorist organisations,
someone who poses a threat to my colleagues.
So recently I was banned from speaking at
a symposium when my talk was not even
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related to anything having to do with animal
rights.
It was about how to pay off your
debt and live your passion.
And my table, our honour, my organisation, our
honour was barred from even tabling at this
event, this veterinary conference.
I have been prevented from joining veterinary associations.
I have been prevented from going to veterinary
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conferences, even just attending and watching because of
my position.
Thankfully, I'm thankful for this veterinary conference, allowed
me to come and speak and table.
And it was so positive.
And we had so many positive interactions with
so many veterinarians.
We were passing out t-shirts.
People were putting the t-shirts on, taking
pictures with us.
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It was so great.
And that's what they're scared of.
Like other, my colleagues seeing us as normal
people with an important perspective.
We pose such a threat to the industry
when veterinarians are able to join together and
speak out about these cruel practises.
Now, you were one of the only people
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to actually videotape the cows being piled up
on the side of the road in California.
This is your footage.
I mean, this should set off alarm bells.
And the New York Times, and I'll show
the clip, has said basically the response to
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bird flu has been abominable.
And now a pandemic is no longer a
remote threat.
Let me actually put that up and show
you what the New York Times just said
the other day.
A dangerous virus, bird flu enters a new
phase.
A pandemic is not inevitable, scientists say, but
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the outbreak has passed worrisome milestones in recent
weeks, including cattle that may have been reinfected.
A human pandemic is not inevitable, even now,
more than a dozen experts said in interviews.
But a series of developments over the past
few weeks indicates the possibility it is no
longer remote.
And then you showed me, we're going to
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get a little wonky here, but it's important.
You showed me the sentient media article that
lays out a case that U.S. taxpayers
bailing out the poultry industry has helped propel
the avian flu to an ever greater threat.
Because in one case, they gave one company
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$44 million in indemnity payouts, basically to kill
millions of birds, not that actually have bird
flu, but that might be exposed or were
exposed.
So by compensating companies in such a flagrant
manner, they've reduced the financial incentive for these
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companies to be careful about the bird flu.
Can you elaborate on that?
Yeah.
Imagine if you had a business and no
matter how risky your business model was, taxpayers
were going to step in and take care
of you.
If you had a building that was, you
know, at risk of burning down and it
burned down, but because you could do your
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business much cheaper if you ignored, you know,
safety protocols.
That's the system that we have set up.
And this is a method of protein production
that now most Americans are dependent on because
we made it this way.
We are bailing out these billion dollar companies
with who are making record profits, who stock
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prices are at record levels.
We are forced to pay them millions of
dollars when their birds become infected with avian
influenza.
We also don't require them to put plans
in place to use less cruel methods of
exterminating diseased animals.
So we just allow them to seal up
barns, pump in heat and wait for the
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animals inside to die.
And our veterinary organisations support this method and
enable this practise.
And you are looking at a chicken being
baked alive.
More than 2000 veterinarians have signed a petition
saying this method called ventilation shutdown or ventilation
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shutdown plus or VSD plus is an abominably
cruel method.
Honestly, even this video up, it depressed me
so much and made me so embarrassed to
be a human being.
The idea that you would, you know, sometimes
you've got to, they seal up houses, okay,
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and they put, that's what they're doing with
millions of chickens inside.
These chickens are dying slow deaths being baked
to death.
Who are we as a culture?
And all of us, you and me and
everybody listening is being forced to subsidise this
with our tax dollars.
It's complete madness.
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It's morally abhorrent.
It's evil.
I will say it.
And you're simply trying to raise the alarm
bell that it's not even effective.
It's not even effective because the government by
compensating the companies for doing this, then they
don't take the extra precautions because they'd figure,
well, we'll get compensated anyway.
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Is that what you're saying?
Crystal?
Yeah.
And the, the discussion is always around, oh,
the high price of eggs, but we're never
talking about the high price of these production
methods that these corporations are using that threaten
our food security, our public health and animal
welfare.
And we need to incentivise these companies to
transition to animal free methods of food production,
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which they can, which they have the resources
to, but there's no incentive for them to
do that.
They can continue with this business model because
they'll continue to be bailed out.
And that puts our nation's food security at
risk.
And a question being asked, how many hours
does it take to bake to death incomprehensible?
It depends on the situation, anywhere from one
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hour to as many as eight hours we've
seen.
Dear God, dear God.
And then, you know, the, the really horrifying,
and as Karen LaCava says, horrific, the really
horrifying part is it's horrifying enough.
But then when people try to raise the
alarm bells or even ask powerful members of,
for example, the agriculture committee that is weighing
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what these subsidies should be, they're literally arrested.
And we have some clips of Robert Grillo,
who was here, basically just trying to get
this point across that this is not necessary.
And it results in being thrown out to
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cheers and arrests.
The Farm Bill is a product of dark
money that comes from the meat, dairy and
egg industries who have bought your vote through
millions of dollars in campaign contributions.
You have betrayed hardworking Americans, but we refuse
to pay for disease outbreaks that come from
confining and slaughtering billions of animals, not another
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penny for cooking millions of birds alive.
It's time to fund a water-free, plant
-based food system.
Stop the animal ad
bailout.
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It's horrific!
I'm worried about that bird flu very much,
and I know that there are dead dairy
cows infected with bird flu that lay along
the roadside near dairy farms.
The scavengers go after them.
There's no biosecurity or warning.
And that scavenger hunt there actually spreads the
disease, the bird flu, to wildlife, other birds,
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and humans.
How can the CDFA allow this?
Are you putting industry profits over public health
and animal welfare?
That's my question.
Donnie Moss of theirturn.net You've been working
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to try to alert the incoming administration that
purports to want to cut $2 trillion from
the budget, that there is a way.
Take it away.
It's not just the bailouts.
It's the subsidies that the government gives to
industrial animal agriculture, which makes it impossible even
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for smaller farmers to function fairly.
If Trump is eager to cut the national
federal budget by $2 trillion, one very easy
way to make a big dent in that
cut is to eliminate these subsidies to animal
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agriculture and to these other crops that are
grown to feed these animals.
We could eliminate those subsidies altogether to cut
the budget, and that would encourage farmers to
transition into grown fruits and vegetables, which would
reduce health care costs, which would further reduce
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the federal budget.
Right now, with the government's Department of Government
Efficiency, DOGE, looking for ways to cut the
budget, we've delivered them just the easiest possible
solution to that.
The problem is, how do we reach these
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people to show them the obvious?
I look at something called the 80-20
rule, and I was reading about it, and
I was like, this is animal agriculture, absolutely,
the 80-20 rule, which is 20%
of the inputs cause 80% of the
outcomes.
That's a principle that a lot of people
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are talking about, and to me, that is
animal agriculture.
20% of this 20% of subsidies,
of cruelty, of waste, of self-sabotage is
creating 80% of our problems.
The health care crisis, by subsidising animal agriculture,
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which is essentially subsidising fast food, you are
creating the obesity crisis, you're creating the heart
disease crisis, and you're creating the cancer crisis,
because processed meat, which is how most people
want to eat meat, to a large degree,
is officially a level one carcinogen, according to
the World Health Organisation.
Mainstream media does not talk about that.
That's why we created Unchained TV, to try
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to have these conversations.
But how do we get the people who
are making these decisions to listen in desperation?
I actually wrote a comment in the New
York Times.
The article was about Musk planning to retool
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the government.
We all have heard that the Department of
Government Efficiency wants to cut $2 trillion from
the budget.
I thought this hadn't been published, but it
actually did get published and got 28 recommends.
This is what I wrote.
Elon Musk, please read this.
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Elon
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Musk, please read this.
67% of the population is lactose malabsorption.
Please look into gutting the Farm Bill.
This is an elegant solution to your challenge
that will also benefit the American people.
Let the law of supply and demand rule
and end this corporate socialism for the benefit
of Big Ag and Big Pharma.
Now, sorry to read all that, but the
devil's in the details here.
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I got 28 likes on that, which you
don't usually get that many in a New
York Times comment.
But the point is, how do we get
this message to Elon Musk?
We had somebody try to write an op
-ed in the Washington Times.
Similar thoughts rejected.
What do we do?
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Anybody who has any thoughts, raise your hand.
James, can I comment on that?
Go ahead.
Can I just say that there's not nearly
enough focus on—Congress holds the purse strings.
They ultimately get to decide where the money
gets appropriated.
Now, of course, there's a lot of influences
on Congress, but how many groups are actually
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pressuring Congress right now, or any part of
the federal government, for that matter?
How many animal groups or environmental groups are
actually putting pressure right there where it needs
to be to change our food system?
I would say very few.
Very few individuals and very few groups.
Obviously, we need a lot more momentum.
We don't have enough momentum yet.
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Today, the Senate Democrats come out with a
letter that condemns Trump's cuts.
They talk about the egg industry and how
the price of eggs is going to soar.
There's no leadership or imagination, even on the
Democrats' side.
Their idea is to pour more money into
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the egg industry to try to solve a
bird flu crisis instead of having the leadership
or imagination that perhaps this is a great
opportunity to change course, to invest in alternatives
to eggs.
They have so much power to do so.
We really need to focus and hold accountable
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that body and all those that are elected
there.
I have to say, I agree with you.
To put it mildly, it's a bipartisan problem.
During the Biden administration, the USDA announced more
than $43 million investment in meat and poultry
processing research, expansion, and innovation.
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It's truly a bipartisan problem.
You're absolutely right.
I pull my hair out when I watch
liberal media, MSNBC, and they talk about the
rising price of eggs or they use an
example, eggs, bacon.
It's like, wake up, people, and how do
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we get through to them?
These are otherwise brilliant people, Rhodes Scholars, and
yet they can't see that virtually all of
our major problems are coming from our subsidy
of a horribly destructive industry, not just cruel
to animals, but causing horrible healthcare outcomes for
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human beings.
Let's not forget climate change.
Unchained TV just did a special report on
climate change.
I would like to play a little bit
of it for you so that we can
bring that aspect into the conversation because, and
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I'm looking for it right now, full disclosure,
you get to see behind the camera for
a minute.
I know I uploaded it, and if I
didn't upload it, shame on me.
I will upload it now and we'll continue
to talk about the idea of the wildfires
that have so devastated California.
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They're exacerbated by climate change.
What to me is truly maddening is that
if the U.S. government didn't subsidise animal
agriculture, Donnie, we wouldn't be accelerating climate change.
If you take a look at what the
New York Times reported on an Oxford University
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study, I can show you that right now,
and it's unbelievable.
It's basically showing that, well, that's true too.
You're more likely to go to prison for
exposing animal cruelty than committing it, but additionally,
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there's this.
A dangerous phase of bird flu is arriving
amongst us, and there's this.
Save the planet, put down that hamburger.
Researchers examined a diet of 55,500 people
and found that vegans are responsible for 75
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% less in greenhouse gases than meat eaters.
Right there, if we all transition to a
plant-based diet, we could reduce our collective
greenhouse gas emissions by 75%.
Donnie?
We know for years, we've known from the
United Nations that animal agriculture emits more greenhouse
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gases than all forms of transportation combined.
If that's not something that should jolt us
into changing our habits, then nothing is.
That's really powerful.
A few years ago, Jane, you may recall
that the Amazon was burning down.
There were man-made fires to clear rainforests
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in order to make way for cattle grazing
and to grow crops to feed those cattle.
When you think of the Amazon, we've all
learned that the Amazon, the tropical rainforests are
the lungs of the Earth, and they're big
carbon sinks.
In order to continue eating meat and producing
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cows for consumption, we are transforming our carbon
sinks into carbon emitters.
It's a little bit surreal.
I was struck during the last presidential election
that, once again, there's not even talk about
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animal agriculture, factory farming, its impact on human
health, on the climate, on the planet, on
species extension, biodiversity.
It plays such a big role in our
lives, yet it's not even an issue for
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public consumption and debate.
In response to your question, how do we
in the area specifically of getting animal agriculture
onto the radar screen of DOGE, the Department
of Government Efficiency, one of the things that
I've been doing is I've been going to
their Twitter page and responding to their tweets,
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pointing out this obvious solution, this obvious way
to cut the federal budget.
I finally found the report.
Here it is.
Another alarm bell from Mother Nature has just
gone off, and the question is, is it
too late, or can we still change the
outcome?
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I tried to run across two or three
times to get in there and see if
there's any pets that I could grab, and
unfortunately, every time I went there, it was
like a massive heat wave hit me and
almost knocked me back.
It actually burned my tyres eventually.
And as I was running, a car drove
by me.
I heard, Billy!
And it was Aaron Christensen from Animal Advocacy
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Network, and he was in that truck.
And I'm like, hey, what's going on?
Do you want to help out?
We're trying to get these horses and chickens
and pigs and this and that.
I said, sure.
We did get all those animals out, everything
from the horses, obviously, to the peacocks.
Very dangerous animals, the peacocks.
Whether it's a dog, cat, or a goat,
people love their animals.
I don't care what their animals are.
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There should be no discrimination here.
I think it's important to...nobody or no animal
deserves the suffocation, the smoke, and the burning
alive.
No animal deserves that.
Take a look at that burnt out car.
Kind of tells the whole story, doesn't it?
Where are we headed?
Off a cliff?
We're in a time of climate crisis, and
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it's clear we all have to collectively make
some major lifestyle changes.
So the obvious lifestyle change, which was recommended
in the special report, which you can watch
on Unchained TV, by somebody who lost her
boyfriend in the fires.
Her boyfriend died in the fires and she
said, go vegan.
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That is the recommendation.
But I want to go to Dr. Crystal
Heath because it was tragically ironic that the
animal rescuer said, no animal deserves to be
baked to death.
I'm sure you heard that.
And that's exactly what we're doing to the
chickens.
In this mass ventilation shutdown horror that they're
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doing their darndest to keep the American people
from even knowing about.
Yeah, it's absolutely horrifying and it was so
shocking at this veterinary conference how many veterinarians
still had not heard of ventilation shutdown.
So many people don't know about this.
It should be in every news story about
avian influenza.
Journalists should be asking, well how are these
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birds being exterminated?
But that question still isn't being asked and
I'm trying my hardest to get it out
there.
Thankfully Time Magazine published our op-ed about
it.
But my opinion is our 80-20 principle
is we should be focussing our attention on
educating veterinarians about this because every veterinarian I
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talk to is horrified that this is being
legitimised by our profession and they want to
stop it, especially when there's a less cruel
method available.
Although we should of course transition and support
companies to transition away from animal agriculture animal
-based protein production towards animal-free methods of
protein production but instead we're just legitimising the
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cruellest practises and that's just the way it
is.
Our whole system of incentives is set up
to reward those with the most brutal and
callous business practises.
We allow the most brutal companies to become
the most successful and that is a dangerous
way to set up our food system and
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it endangers our food security and our public
health.
So just to add a few little nuggets
to this terrible situation where we have the
answers to all the problems and nobody wants
to listen to us and indeed persecutes anybody
who tries to raise the potential solution.
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Now the good news is that DOGE, the
Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk
says it wants to cut two trillion dollars
from the budget.
The bad news is that he went on
the Joe Rogan show and reportedly said you
can eat all the meat you want, it
has no impact on climate change.
That makes it even tougher.
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I want to do a certain clip here
that I think shows that there are some
people, gotta give this guy from the Federal
Reserve some props for at least listening to
Robert Grillo when Robert Grillo from Free From
Harm approached him.
I think this is the first time where
they didn't call the cops and have you
thrown out or arrested but let's play that
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clip of you trying to make a point
and this Federal Reserve bigwig actually listening for
a minute.
Beef has a protein conversion rate of only
3.8% meaning that you have to
feed a cow 100 grammes of plant proteins
or whatever it is they feed cows wheat
or whatever just to get a little less
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than 4 grammes of protein for human consumption
and if we're talking about minimising input costs
and the most efficient type of system, doesn't
it make sense from a sustainability standpoint to
transition to plant based proteins and to divest
from the livestock industry?
I still think that the supply chain for
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any given commodity or any given food product,
we want it to be as efficient as
possible.
I can see your point feeding a 1500
pound cow from an energy efficiency perspective.
It's not my expertise here.
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Take your small victories, what do you make
of it Robert Grillo?
The fact that you weren't arrested for making
a very valid point.
That was an interesting experience because it was
the Federal Reserve Bank's annual agriculture conference and
Goolsbee is a leading spokesperson for the Federal
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Reserve Bank you'll see him on major mainstream
news outlets so I definitely wanted to make
a point of talking to him and I
caught him on his way out after he
made his closing speech to everybody.
He just showed up at the end just
to say a few words and say how
great agriculture is.
As he was walking out I was able
to stop him and ask him those questions.
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Now keep in mind the context of this
conference.
The theme is how do we minimise costs
input costs and how do we create the
most efficient food system and I'm sitting there
like the only person in the room thinking
why aren't we talking about plant based transition?
Why is there no discussion?
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We have a dairy expert in the room.
We have somebody from a pig farm in
Indiana.
We have all these people talking about how
they're going to make their industries more efficient
but they're all animal industries.
I'm the lone person there talking about plant
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based transition and it was a great experience
because I got to talk to a lot
of leading ag people and this guy Goolsby
he says I'm just a financial guy I
don't know the ethics.
I'm like no yes you do.
You have spoken out about the energy sector
and how we need to move to renewables
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and you have every point to make to
say we should also for the same reasons
we need to transition to renewables we also
need to transition to a plant based food
system.
It's so frustrating how can we reach the
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people who just want to cut the budget?
Now we got some really interesting comments from
people watching on social media.
Barbara Glick says in the confirmation hearings the
new secretary of agriculture mentioned subsidies distort the
market so we have another target to hold
accountable.
I believe this was the woman who wants
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to be the new agriculture secretary.
That's the good news that she has said
in the past that subsidies distort the market
which means she's potentially against subsidies.
The bad news is that she issued a
fiery defence of the EATS Act which would
wipe out every single little bit of progress
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we've made in for example eliminating pig gestation
crates for a lot of pigs where they're
kept in crates the size of their bodies
unable to turn around.
If she's in favour of the EATS Act
that is the worst.
It's like everything's an upside down world Donnie.
I have to go back to you.
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There's no clear cut answer here.
I think the clear cut answer is how
do we reach these people with just the
financial cut not the moral lesson.
Jane I think first of all sadly things
happen in baby steps and while many would
say that baby steps are for babies that's
probably who we're dealing with here.
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We can continue to do what we're doing
by educating the public and working with organisations
that are trying to move the needle away
from animal agriculture toward plant based consumption.
You know who's on our side?
Mother Nature.
She has sent a strong message to Americans
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and to people around the world that what
we're doing isn't working.
We saw it with the wildfires in California.
We saw it with the hurricane in North
Carolina which destroyed parts of western North Carolina.
Hurricanes that have decimated parts of the west
coast of Florida and Louisiana.
At some point it's going to be more
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cost effective for the government to do the
right thing which is to cut these subsidies
to animal agriculture than it is to turn
a blind eye.
Maybe it'll come down to dollars and cents.
Maybe it'll come down to people in positions
of power who are personally impacted by the
devastating impact of climate change driven by animal
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agriculture.
But as grassroots activists on the ground, we
have our bodies, we have our keyboards and
we can share stories like this and we
can take to our keyboards and do whatever
we can to reach the decision makers and
our elected officials who need our votes.
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So Dr. Crystal Heath, here we are.
We're offering a solution.
We're offering a solution to climate change to
a large degree.
Not a 100% but a pretty major
solution.
75% per human being reduction in greenhouse
gases.
We're offering a solution to the bird flu.
If we had no birds in factory farms
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we wouldn't have a bird flu outbreak that
we would have to kill millions of birds
in factory farms.
We're offering a solution to the human health
crisis with 70% of Americans overweight and
more than 40% obese, which is causing
our healthcare costs to skyrocket.
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We have also a solution to world hunger
by the way, which there are many people
suffering from malnutrition and hunger around the world
because animals are eating a huge percentage the
majority you could argue of the food.
We're 8.2 billion humans and we're raising
and killing 92 billion animals every year.
I mean what I don't get is how
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is it possible for these people not to
see this?
I could see the people who are making
money off of the subsidies, okay, as somebody
said famous, you can't get somebody to agree
to a reality that's going to cost them
money.
You can't get them to see a solution
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that's going to cost them money if they
adopt the solution.
But somebody like Elon Musk, okay, he seems
to be very focused on doing to the
U.S. government what he did to Twitter,
now X.
It's gutting it, gutting it, gutting it.
Well, it's right there and it actually would
help people.
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Yeah, I mean I just went to Sprouts
and you look at the egg section to
see, I'm always checking what the prices are.
Of course, the egg section is empty except
for there's a little just egg thing sitting
right there.
There's also some egg whites cans things too,
but the just egg of course is $7
while the egg still is, even though egg
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prices have gone up, the egg is still
cheaper than the just egg and that needs
to be switched.
It needs to be cheaper and easy for
people to grab.
I think a big thing with Elon Musk
and a lot of these people, they still
do not believe that you can be healthy
on a diet that doesn't include animals.
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That's a big barrier for a lot of
people and a lot of people just aren't
used to eating these foods, so we have
to solve that problem too.
I think going to this veterinary conference, I
met so many vegan vets who had no
idea who I was.
I'm like how on earth is there any
vegan vet out there who doesn't know who
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I am and what our honour is and
know about ventilation shutdown, but still so many
veterinarians who just need to get organised.
The politicians listen to us.
We need to get organised.
We need to get out there too and
take pictures of what is happening out there
in the world like I did with taking
pictures of the sick and dead cows.
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Go to the areas near you where bird
flu outbreaks are happening.
Take pictures of what is happening and send
those to the media.
We need to change the narrative.
We need to get this information out there.
We need to raise awareness about the infectious
disease trap of animal agriculture, how we are
paying so much for empty eggshells.
We are paying all this money and we're
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not even getting food out of it.
Let's redirect those subsidies towards supporting animal free
methods of food production so that we can
ensure our nation's food security and our public
health or else our nation will fall behind
all of the other nations.
That's what these guys should care about, ensuring
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our future and our public health and our
food security and animal welfare of course too.
We know that when Beyond Meat went public
in 2019 it was the most successful initial
public offering for years, the meat industry freaked
out and launched a massive PR war against
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plant-based meats basically calling them super processed.
Processed meat isn't processed, isn't super processed.
Meat isn't super processed.
When you eat a hamburger you could be
eating 100 animals or 200 animals.
It's all mixed up together, not appetising.
We have to counteract that as well because,
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and I urge all plant-based vegan people
or vegan-friendly people, do not repeat meat
eating industry talking points.
Stop talking about how you hate veggie burgers.
If you don't want them, don't eat them,
but zip it because every time somebody eats
a veggie burger they're not eating an animal
and they are 100,000 times healthier than
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a meat burger.
So where do we go from here?
We've only got a couple of minutes.
How do we reach Elon Musk?
Now I talked to somebody who deals with
a lot of high-powered people and what
he told me is they have layers and
layers and layers.
Like they have an assistant who has an
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assistant who has an assistant who has an
assistant who has an assistant.
You can't really reach them.
We were actually talking about maybe placing an
ad in a conservative publication if they would
even accept it.
You know how PETA does ads for the
Super Bowl and they always turn them down
and then they get a lot of free
advertising as a result.
Very clever way of trying to deal with
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it.
But just to recap and review about what
hasn't worked, just asking politely does not work
and let's talk a little bit about when
you try to speak truth to power.
This is an example of when you, Robert,
were arrested for trying to speak truth to
power.
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There you are in the Congressional hearing and
you're being walked out.
This is a hearing on the Farm Bill
and you're just trying to make the point
that it's packed with these terrible subsidies and
you literally are handcuffed and arrested and walked
out.
So what can we do?
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I'd like to hear from all three of
us, all four of us.
I suggest let's pool our resources and put
an ad because I want to say one
other thing.
There have been news articles where, first of
all, Vivek Ramaswamy who is a vegetarian left
Doge, so that's bad news because he might
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be more enlightened about this issue, but the
second is I've read articles saying that Elon
Musk says, well, maybe I can't cut two
trillion because he's walked into a wall with
a lot of protections of federal employees, etc.
So we're offering an elegant solution that's actually
good for the planet.
How do we reach this individual?
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I know you said you're going to his
Twitter page, but let's just brainstorm about other
possibilities.
Donnie?
How to reach Elon Musk.
One thing I did, Jane, I think you
probably did it too, is that we sent
emails to the public affairs departments of all
of the companies that Elon Musk owns or
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has a controlling interest in.
We created a campaign in which we had
thousands of people sending those letters through one
of these automated email programmes, then perhaps that
would assuredly put this idea of cutting ag
subsidies on his radar screen, no doubt.
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I also just want to make one point
of clarification, Jane.
We know that Elon Musk doesn't believe that
cutting animals from your diet will impact climate
change in a positive way and that he
doesn't think it will have any impact at
all, but we do know that he wants
to cut federal spending and so he might
not discriminate against this idea if this idea
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would in fact be a way to cut
the budget.
Right, and I'd also like to say that
a lot of these folks are libertarians and
they basically feel that the government shouldn't be
subsidising and they're against welfare.
Well, this is corporate welfare.
It's blatant corporate welfare.
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Why would they be in favour of it
if they're actually libertarians?
The question is if we could reach Elon
Musk, A, and then B, could we get
Congress, which has the purse strings, to go
along with Elon Musk?
Your thoughts, Robert Yurlow.
First of all, I'm not totally convinced that
Elon Musk will last very long so I'm
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not even sure how much we want to
invest in trying to change his mind, but
I will say Congress is not going anywhere.
So we've had Congress for as long as
we've had a country and we can get
in front of these people.
We can do more than just write emails
and it's good to leave a paper trail.
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It's good to have emails and phone calls
and social media posts tagging these people, but
guess what?
They can ignore all that, but what they
can't ignore is when we get in front
of them and that's what other social movements
have to do too.
We have to have face-to-face, honest
interactions, many different kinds of interactions, leading to
a seat at the table so that they
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take our position seriously.
We have to be willing to get out
there and get in front of them.
All right.
I love your courage.
I have a question about these as your
own protesters said, these members of Congress who
you say are bought and paid for by
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the animal agriculture industry.
I don't know that appealing to their conscience,
appealing to their logic is going to work.
I really don't because...
If they want to get re-elected they're
going to have to take their constituent groups
seriously as well and they're going to have
to figure out what the...
they're going to have to make a calculus.
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Do I side with the animal ag interests
or is there too much political pressure and
too much change in my constituent base that
says there has to be some concessions made?
That's what we're looking for, concessions, a transition.
We're not expecting something to happen overnight.
Crystal Heath.
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So last year our honour got 87 press
hits in the media from the New York
Times, The Guardian, Vox Newsweek, The Intercept, so
many Don't forget Unchained TV, lady.
Unchained TV, of course.
It's just me, mostly our honour and a
couple of helpers and this year we plan
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to get a lot more media attention and
I have been following Elon Musk and all
of these people and there's this little crowd
of people on Twitter that all know each
other and all listen to each other.
Right now we also have a group chat
with around 800 people and we plan to
wield that group chat to help amplify some
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tweets to various power holders.
As a result of some of my supporters
who have been tweeting at some prominent podcasters,
I will be on a pretty major podcast
hopefully in the next few weeks and we've
got another major media story that might come
out in the next few days too.
So we're working hard to get media attention
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and I think this whole talk about bird
flu is becoming much more prominent.
There's a lot more media attention around it
and I think we have the opportunity to
really push our narrative, take advantage of this
whole bird flu situation as horrifying as it
is and get out there, take pictures, talk
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to people, put our perspectives out there on
Twitter which is still, everybody's leaving Twitter but
that's where Elon Musk and all of these
people are and that's where all the journalists
are too.
So start writing thoughtful things, making creative content,
going out there in the field and taking
pictures of what is actually happening and talk
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to your veterinarian too who do have the
power to change policy and legislation in the
United States because our policy makers will listen
to veterinarians and experts they won't necessarily listen
to animal rights activists unfortunately but animal rights
activists can influence veterinarians.
Well you are a hero for first of
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all for many things but for going out
there and videotaping those cows at your own
risk because those cows undoubtedly had bird flu
and died from bird flu so I'm glad
you're safe.
I don't see a lot of pictures of
cows like that in mainstream media, systematically ignored.
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So I also applaud you Dr. Heath for
getting on these major publications when so many
people have had no luck.
So I feel that you have a magic
touch, keep going.
But I also like Robert Grillo's approach of
speaking truth to power, going into these hearings
and disrupting them.
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I mean that's non-violent civil disobedience to
get a point across because they don't listen.
If you talk to them nicely and they
don't listen you have to step it up.
I also like Donnie Moss's idea of really
doubling down on X and I also like
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the idea of a high-tech petition that
lays out exactly where they can cut the
costs in the farm bill which has not
passed yet.
We do have an opportunity.
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you for doing incredible work.
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Breaking news to bring you as California reels
from devastating wildfires exacerbated by climate change.
It's truly a disaster.
Now another threat is growing.
You're looking at dead cows dumped on the
side of the road in California, undoubtedly victims
of bird flu, and the New York Times
(00:23):
is warning that the possibility of a pandemic
is no longer remote.
At the core of these calamities, industrialised animal
agriculture, accelerating climate change, raising the risk of
pandemics by exploiting animals in the food system
through systemic overcrowding and cruelty.
But the destructive role of factory farming is
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being ignored by the government and by mainstream
media.
That's a very sick cow you're looking at
there.
Now Congress is debating a new farm bill
that will determine U.S. government subsidies to
animal agriculture for years to come.
Meanwhile, the incoming administration wants to cut two
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trillion dollars from the budget and the ag
bailouts packed in the farm bill are an
obvious solution that nobody seems to see.
Here to discuss it all, we have three
experts, Robert Grillo of Free From Harm, as
well as Donnie Moss from TheirTurn.net, and
we're going to be joined by Dr. Crystal
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Heath, a veterinarian who is being persecuted for
bringing this subject up.
I want to start with you, Robert Grillo,
because you have literally stormed into the halls
of Congress, basically shouting and screaming, begging to
get members of Congress to look at the
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disastrous impact of this massive bailout to animal
agriculture on climate change, on the bird flu,
on human health, because it funds fast food
and junk food.
Is anybody listening?
I think so, Jane.
I think people are listening.
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The people we're targeting are some of the
top decision makers, the biggest decision makers making
the biggest deals and decisions in Congress as
well as in the private sector.
Just this last week, we confronted Senator John
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Cornyn from Texas, a CEO of the American
Farm Bureau Federation, Zippy Duvall, one of the
powerful people in the world, not just in
agriculture, but one of the biggest power players
shaping the farm bill, and the CEO of
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Fairlife, Tim Doleman, at the Dairy Forum.
All in three days, the last three days,
we've confronted these people.
The responses are all over the place, but
these people want less government.
They say they want less government, but when
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it comes to subsidies for animal agriculture, they're
calling for more, which makes zero sense.
If you want less regulation, and you want
to cut the government's budget, then you can't
say, oh, but we still want a massive
bailout for animal agriculture.
The Americans don't want that.
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Let's look at one of your speak truth
to power confrontations.
I warn everybody, it's shaky video, but that's
what happens when you speak truth to power.
Americans need a farm bill that protects public
health, animals, and the environment.
And then our livestock producers are facing their
own set of hurdles, which is why I'm
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focused on strengthening eradication efforts from things like
feral swine and cattle feeder ticks, which cause
devastating losses for ranchers across Texas and across
the nation.
To build on that, we need an animal
disease vaccine ban.
The bird flu is insane.
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Animal ag is to blame, and the animal
ag bailout.
Slaughter-free plant-based food system.
I'm tired of our money going to bailing
out all these animal ag industries.
You need to leave, sir.
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Show them the Farm Bureau heart and the
farm heart.
So there you go, Robert, when you were
thrown out, the crowd cheered.
Yeah.
So Zippy Duvall is a thin-skinned person
that he is, in my opinion, a bit
of an egomaniac.
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Can I just say something?
We have to keep personal attacks out of
this.
And I'll also say, I invite anybody mentioned
in this broadcast on at any time, we'd
love to dialogue with you.
But I mean, the point is you're trying
to, any way you can, get this word
out, and you get thrown out.
And not only are you thrown out, but
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they're cheering as you're thrown out.
Well, sure, because in true Trump fashion, that's
what you do.
If you're used to being in power and
you're used to trying to control the narrative,
you rouse the crowd against one dissenting voice
in the audience because you don't want to
hear dissent.
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That's a very classic authoritarian type of tactic.
That's something that we've seen from Trump.
And from people like this, we're going to
see the same thing.
But believe me, the one thing people are
going to remember from the thousands of people
in that room, the one thing that they
will probably remember is not the boring rhetoric
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that they hear from Zippy Duvall, or Senator
John Cornyn, or these other guys, but they're
probably going to remember the fact that there
was some dissent.
And that doesn't happen very, very often in
these circles.
And for us to get a message out
of dissent about a different path forward is
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something that a lot of people will probably
remember rather than the boring rhetoric.
Well, okay.
I agree with you.
And first of all, I applaud you for
your courage and your team for going in
there and speaking truth to power.
I want to bring in Dr. Crystal Heath,
who's a veterinarian, and she has also tried
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to speak truth to power.
Dr. Heath, first, I want to play a
clip of you speaking at VMX, the veterinary
meeting and expo recently, where you outlined how
you were essentially persecuted for asking some tough
questions about animal agriculture and what is happening
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with, well, the way we're treating animals in
the food system, particularly as it connects to
mass killing of animals to prevent bird flu,
which is not working.
I was kind of thrust into the public
sphere about all of this.
I had voiced concerns about water-intensive animal
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protein production practises, terminal surgeries, and all these
things.
And my colleagues told me I really should
shadow a livestock veterinarian so I know what
I'm talking about.
And I grew up in the porridge.
I studied animal science at UC Davis before
going to vet school.
I think I know what I'm talking about,
but I also recognise that I don't work
in animal production.
So I posted on the veterinary Facebook group
that I was looking to shadow a livestock
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vet.
And then it was like kind of this
perfect storm.
It was COVID.
It was like the industry was already on
edge.
And this pileup assumed that like I did
not respect at all.
This meme went out about me.
I was banned from veterinary Facebook groups.
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And it was like scary.
My colleagues were sending me all of like,
I was banned, but then my colleagues were
sending me screenshots of the things that people
were saying about me.
And I can like look at it and
laugh like right now, but it was quite
frightening at the time.
And it's just so frustrating to like not
be able to set the record straight in
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these groups because I was banned and locked
and couldn't tell my own story.
Dr. Heath, first of all, wow.
You and Robert, and we're going to talk
to Donny.
The courage that it takes to speak truth
to power to these powerful organisations without naming
specific names.
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Tell us your ordeal and what you've gone
through.
Yeah.
I mean, I have been character assassinated.
I have been smeared as somebody who collaborates
with terrorist organisations, who works for terrorist organisations,
someone who poses a threat to my colleagues.
So recently I was banned from speaking at
a symposium when my talk was not even
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related to anything having to do with animal
rights.
It was about how to pay off your
debt and live your passion.
And my table, our honour, my organisation, our
honour was barred from even tabling at this
event, this veterinary conference.
I have been prevented from joining veterinary associations.
I have been prevented from going to veterinary
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conferences, even just attending and watching because of
my position.
Thankfully, I'm thankful for this veterinary conference, allowed
me to come and speak and table.
And it was so positive.
And we had so many positive interactions with
so many veterinarians.
We were passing out t-shirts.
People were putting the t-shirts on, taking
pictures with us.
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It was so great.
And that's what they're scared of.
Like other, my colleagues seeing us as normal
people with an important perspective.
We pose such a threat to the industry
when veterinarians are able to join together and
speak out about these cruel practises.
Now, you were one of the only people
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to actually videotape the cows being piled up
on the side of the road in California.
This is your footage.
I mean, this should set off alarm bells.
And the New York Times, and I'll show
the clip, has said basically the response to
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bird flu has been abominable.
And now a pandemic is no longer a
remote threat.
Let me actually put that up and show
you what the New York Times just said
the other day.
A dangerous virus, bird flu enters a new
phase.
A pandemic is not inevitable, scientists say, but
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the outbreak has passed worrisome milestones in recent
weeks, including cattle that may have been reinfected.
A human pandemic is not inevitable, even now,
more than a dozen experts said in interviews.
But a series of developments over the past
few weeks indicates the possibility it is no
longer remote.
And then you showed me, we're going to
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get a little wonky here, but it's important.
You showed me the sentient media article that
lays out a case that U.S. taxpayers
bailing out the poultry industry has helped propel
the avian flu to an ever greater threat.
Because in one case, they gave one company
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$44 million in indemnity payouts, basically to kill
millions of birds, not that actually have bird
flu, but that might be exposed or were
exposed.
So by compensating companies in such a flagrant
manner, they've reduced the financial incentive for these
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companies to be careful about the bird flu.
Can you elaborate on that?
Yeah.
Imagine if you had a business and no
matter how risky your business model was, taxpayers
were going to step in and take care
of you.
If you had a building that was, you
know, at risk of burning down and it
burned down, but because you could do your
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business much cheaper if you ignored, you know,
safety protocols.
That's the system that we have set up.
And this is a method of protein production
that now most Americans are dependent on because
we made it this way.
We are bailing out these billion dollar companies
with who are making record profits, who stock
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prices are at record levels.
We are forced to pay them millions of
dollars when their birds become infected with avian
influenza.
We also don't require them to put plans
in place to use less cruel methods of
exterminating diseased animals.
So we just allow them to seal up
barns, pump in heat and wait for the
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animals inside to die.
And our veterinary organisations support this method and
enable this practise.
And you are looking at a chicken being
baked alive.
More than 2000 veterinarians have signed a petition
saying this method called ventilation shutdown or ventilation
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shutdown plus or VSD plus is an abominably
cruel method.
Honestly, even this video up, it depressed me
so much and made me so embarrassed to
be a human being.
The idea that you would, you know, sometimes
you've got to, they seal up houses, okay,
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and they put, that's what they're doing with
millions of chickens inside.
These chickens are dying slow deaths being baked
to death.
Who are we as a culture?
And all of us, you and me and
everybody listening is being forced to subsidise this
with our tax dollars.
It's complete madness.
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It's morally abhorrent.
It's evil.
I will say it.
And you're simply trying to raise the alarm
bell that it's not even effective.
It's not even effective because the government by
compensating the companies for doing this, then they
don't take the extra precautions because they'd figure,
well, we'll get compensated anyway.
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Is that what you're saying?
Crystal?
Yeah.
And the, the discussion is always around, oh,
the high price of eggs, but we're never
talking about the high price of these production
methods that these corporations are using that threaten
our food security, our public health and animal
welfare.
And we need to incentivise these companies to
transition to animal free methods of food production,
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which they can, which they have the resources
to, but there's no incentive for them to
do that.
They can continue with this business model because
they'll continue to be bailed out.
And that puts our nation's food security at
risk.
And a question being asked, how many hours
does it take to bake to death incomprehensible?
It depends on the situation, anywhere from one
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hour to as many as eight hours we've
seen.
Dear God, dear God.
And then, you know, the, the really horrifying,
and as Karen LaCava says, horrific, the really
horrifying part is it's horrifying enough.
But then when people try to raise the
alarm bells or even ask powerful members of,
for example, the agriculture committee that is weighing
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what these subsidies should be, they're literally arrested.
And we have some clips of Robert Grillo,
who was here, basically just trying to get
this point across that this is not necessary.
And it results in being thrown out to
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cheers and arrests.
The Farm Bill is a product of dark
money that comes from the meat, dairy and
egg industries who have bought your vote through
millions of dollars in campaign contributions.
You have betrayed hardworking Americans, but we refuse
to pay for disease outbreaks that come from
confining and slaughtering billions of animals, not another
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penny for cooking millions of birds alive.
It's time to fund a water-free, plant
-based food system.
Stop the animal ad
bailout.
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It's horrific!
I'm worried about that bird flu very much,
and I know that there are dead dairy
cows infected with bird flu that lay along
the roadside near dairy farms.
The scavengers go after them.
There's no biosecurity or warning.
And that scavenger hunt there actually spreads the
disease, the bird flu, to wildlife, other birds,
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and humans.
How can the CDFA allow this?
Are you putting industry profits over public health
and animal welfare?
That's my question.
Donnie Moss of theirturn.net You've been working
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to try to alert the incoming administration that
purports to want to cut $2 trillion from
the budget, that there is a way.
Take it away.
It's not just the bailouts.
It's the subsidies that the government gives to
industrial animal agriculture, which makes it impossible even
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for smaller farmers to function fairly.
If Trump is eager to cut the national
federal budget by $2 trillion, one very easy
way to make a big dent in that
cut is to eliminate these subsidies to animal
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agriculture and to these other crops that are
grown to feed these animals.
We could eliminate those subsidies altogether to cut
the budget, and that would encourage farmers to
transition into grown fruits and vegetables, which would
reduce health care costs, which would further reduce
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the federal budget.
Right now, with the government's Department of Government
Efficiency, DOGE, looking for ways to cut the
budget, we've delivered them just the easiest possible
solution to that.
The problem is, how do we reach these
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people to show them the obvious?
I look at something called the 80-20
rule, and I was reading about it, and
I was like, this is animal agriculture, absolutely,
the 80-20 rule, which is 20%
of the inputs cause 80% of the
outcomes.
That's a principle that a lot of people
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are talking about, and to me, that is
animal agriculture.
20% of this 20% of subsidies,
of cruelty, of waste, of self-sabotage is
creating 80% of our problems.
The health care crisis, by subsidising animal agriculture,
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which is essentially subsidising fast food, you are
creating the obesity crisis, you're creating the heart
disease crisis, and you're creating the cancer crisis,
because processed meat, which is how most people
want to eat meat, to a large degree,
is officially a level one carcinogen, according to
the World Health Organisation.
Mainstream media does not talk about that.
That's why we created Unchained TV, to try
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to have these conversations.
But how do we get the people who
are making these decisions to listen in desperation?
I actually wrote a comment in the New
York Times.
The article was about Musk planning to retool
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the government.
We all have heard that the Department of
Government Efficiency wants to cut $2 trillion from
the budget.
I thought this hadn't been published, but it
actually did get published and got 28 recommends.
This is what I wrote.
Elon Musk, please read this.
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Elon
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Musk, please read this.
67% of the population is lactose malabsorption.
Please look into gutting the Farm Bill.
This is an elegant solution to your challenge
that will also benefit the American people.
Let the law of supply and demand rule
and end this corporate socialism for the benefit
of Big Ag and Big Pharma.
Now, sorry to read all that, but the
devil's in the details here.
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I got 28 likes on that, which you
don't usually get that many in a New
York Times comment.
But the point is, how do we get
this message to Elon Musk?
We had somebody try to write an op
-ed in the Washington Times.
Similar thoughts rejected.
What do we do?
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Anybody who has any thoughts, raise your hand.
James, can I comment on that?
Go ahead.
Can I just say that there's not nearly
enough focus on—Congress holds the purse strings.
They ultimately get to decide where the money
gets appropriated.
Now, of course, there's a lot of influences
on Congress, but how many groups are actually
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pressuring Congress right now, or any part of
the federal government, for that matter?
How many animal groups or environmental groups are
actually putting pressure right there where it needs
to be to change our food system?
I would say very few.
Very few individuals and very few groups.
Obviously, we need a lot more momentum.
We don't have enough momentum yet.
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Today, the Senate Democrats come out with a
letter that condemns Trump's cuts.
They talk about the egg industry and how
the price of eggs is going to soar.
There's no leadership or imagination, even on the
Democrats' side.
Their idea is to pour more money into
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the egg industry to try to solve a
bird flu crisis instead of having the leadership
or imagination that perhaps this is a great
opportunity to change course, to invest in alternatives
to eggs.
They have so much power to do so.
We really need to focus and hold accountable
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that body and all those that are elected
there.
I have to say, I agree with you.
To put it mildly, it's a bipartisan problem.
During the Biden administration, the USDA announced more
than $43 million investment in meat and poultry
processing research, expansion, and innovation.
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It's truly a bipartisan problem.
You're absolutely right.
I pull my hair out when I watch
liberal media, MSNBC, and they talk about the
rising price of eggs or they use an
example, eggs, bacon.
It's like, wake up, people, and how do
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we get through to them?
These are otherwise brilliant people, Rhodes Scholars, and
yet they can't see that virtually all of
our major problems are coming from our subsidy
of a horribly destructive industry, not just cruel
to animals, but causing horrible healthcare outcomes for
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human beings.
Let's not forget climate change.
Unchained TV just did a special report on
climate change.
I would like to play a little bit
of it for you so that we can
bring that aspect into the conversation because, and
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I'm looking for it right now, full disclosure,
you get to see behind the camera for
a minute.
I know I uploaded it, and if I
didn't upload it, shame on me.
I will upload it now and we'll continue
to talk about the idea of the wildfires
that have so devastated California.
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They're exacerbated by climate change.
What to me is truly maddening is that
if the U.S. government didn't subsidise animal
agriculture, Donnie, we wouldn't be accelerating climate change.
If you take a look at what the
New York Times reported on an Oxford University
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study, I can show you that right now,
and it's unbelievable.
It's basically showing that, well, that's true too.
You're more likely to go to prison for
exposing animal cruelty than committing it, but additionally,
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there's this.
A dangerous phase of bird flu is arriving
amongst us, and there's this.
Save the planet, put down that hamburger.
Researchers examined a diet of 55,500 people
and found that vegans are responsible for 75
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% less in greenhouse gases than meat eaters.
Right there, if we all transition to a
plant-based diet, we could reduce our collective
greenhouse gas emissions by 75%.
Donnie?
We know for years, we've known from the
United Nations that animal agriculture emits more greenhouse
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gases than all forms of transportation combined.
If that's not something that should jolt us
into changing our habits, then nothing is.
That's really powerful.
A few years ago, Jane, you may recall
that the Amazon was burning down.
There were man-made fires to clear rainforests
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in order to make way for cattle grazing
and to grow crops to feed those cattle.
When you think of the Amazon, we've all
learned that the Amazon, the tropical rainforests are
the lungs of the Earth, and they're big
carbon sinks.
In order to continue eating meat and producing
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cows for consumption, we are transforming our carbon
sinks into carbon emitters.
It's a little bit surreal.
I was struck during the last presidential election
that, once again, there's not even talk about
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animal agriculture, factory farming, its impact on human
health, on the climate, on the planet, on
species extension, biodiversity.
It plays such a big role in our
lives, yet it's not even an issue for
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public consumption and debate.
In response to your question, how do we
in the area specifically of getting animal agriculture
onto the radar screen of DOGE, the Department
of Government Efficiency, one of the things that
I've been doing is I've been going to
their Twitter page and responding to their tweets,
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pointing out this obvious solution, this obvious way
to cut the federal budget.
I finally found the report.
Here it is.
Another alarm bell from Mother Nature has just
gone off, and the question is, is it
too late, or can we still change the
outcome?
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I tried to run across two or three
times to get in there and see if
there's any pets that I could grab, and
unfortunately, every time I went there, it was
like a massive heat wave hit me and
almost knocked me back.
It actually burned my tyres eventually.
And as I was running, a car drove
by me.
I heard, Billy!
And it was Aaron Christensen from Animal Advocacy
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Network, and he was in that truck.
And I'm like, hey, what's going on?
Do you want to help out?
We're trying to get these horses and chickens
and pigs and this and that.
I said, sure.
We did get all those animals out, everything
from the horses, obviously, to the peacocks.
Very dangerous animals, the peacocks.
Whether it's a dog, cat, or a goat,
people love their animals.
I don't care what their animals are.
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There should be no discrimination here.
I think it's important to...nobody or no animal
deserves the suffocation, the smoke, and the burning
alive.
No animal deserves that.
Take a look at that burnt out car.
Kind of tells the whole story, doesn't it?
Where are we headed?
Off a cliff?
We're in a time of climate crisis, and
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it's clear we all have to collectively make
some major lifestyle changes.
So the obvious lifestyle change, which was recommended
in the special report, which you can watch
on Unchained TV, by somebody who lost her
boyfriend in the fires.
Her boyfriend died in the fires and she
said, go vegan.
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That is the recommendation.
But I want to go to Dr. Crystal
Heath because it was tragically ironic that the
animal rescuer said, no animal deserves to be
baked to death.
I'm sure you heard that.
And that's exactly what we're doing to the
chickens.
In this mass ventilation shutdown horror that they're
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doing their darndest to keep the American people
from even knowing about.
Yeah, it's absolutely horrifying and it was so
shocking at this veterinary conference how many veterinarians
still had not heard of ventilation shutdown.
So many people don't know about this.
It should be in every news story about
avian influenza.
Journalists should be asking, well how are these
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birds being exterminated?
But that question still isn't being asked and
I'm trying my hardest to get it out
there.
Thankfully Time Magazine published our op-ed about
it.
But my opinion is our 80-20 principle
is we should be focussing our attention on
educating veterinarians about this because every veterinarian I
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talk to is horrified that this is being
legitimised by our profession and they want to
stop it, especially when there's a less cruel
method available.
Although we should of course transition and support
companies to transition away from animal agriculture animal
-based protein production towards animal-free methods of
protein production but instead we're just legitimising the
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cruellest practises and that's just the way it
is.
Our whole system of incentives is set up
to reward those with the most brutal and
callous business practises.
We allow the most brutal companies to become
the most successful and that is a dangerous
way to set up our food system and
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it endangers our food security and our public
health.
So just to add a few little nuggets
to this terrible situation where we have the
answers to all the problems and nobody wants
to listen to us and indeed persecutes anybody
who tries to raise the potential solution.
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Now the good news is that DOGE, the
Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk
says it wants to cut two trillion dollars
from the budget.
The bad news is that he went on
the Joe Rogan show and reportedly said you
can eat all the meat you want, it
has no impact on climate change.
That makes it even tougher.
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I want to do a certain clip here
that I think shows that there are some
people, gotta give this guy from the Federal
Reserve some props for at least listening to
Robert Grillo when Robert Grillo from Free From
Harm approached him.
I think this is the first time where
they didn't call the cops and have you
thrown out or arrested but let's play that
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clip of you trying to make a point
and this Federal Reserve bigwig actually listening for
a minute.
Beef has a protein conversion rate of only
3.8% meaning that you have to
feed a cow 100 grammes of plant proteins
or whatever it is they feed cows wheat
or whatever just to get a little less
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than 4 grammes of protein for human consumption
and if we're talking about minimising input costs
and the most efficient type of system, doesn't
it make sense from a sustainability standpoint to
transition to plant based proteins and to divest
from the livestock industry?
I still think that the supply chain for
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any given commodity or any given food product,
we want it to be as efficient as
possible.
I can see your point feeding a 1500
pound cow from an energy efficiency perspective.
It's not my expertise here.
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Take your small victories, what do you make
of it Robert Grillo?
The fact that you weren't arrested for making
a very valid point.
That was an interesting experience because it was
the Federal Reserve Bank's annual agriculture conference and
Goolsbee is a leading spokesperson for the Federal
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Reserve Bank you'll see him on major mainstream
news outlets so I definitely wanted to make
a point of talking to him and I
caught him on his way out after he
made his closing speech to everybody.
He just showed up at the end just
to say a few words and say how
great agriculture is.
As he was walking out I was able
to stop him and ask him those questions.
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Now keep in mind the context of this
conference.
The theme is how do we minimise costs
input costs and how do we create the
most efficient food system and I'm sitting there
like the only person in the room thinking
why aren't we talking about plant based transition?
Why is there no discussion?
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We have a dairy expert in the room.
We have somebody from a pig farm in
Indiana.
We have all these people talking about how
they're going to make their industries more efficient
but they're all animal industries.
I'm the lone person there talking about plant
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based transition and it was a great experience
because I got to talk to a lot
of leading ag people and this guy Goolsby
he says I'm just a financial guy I
don't know the ethics.
I'm like no yes you do.
You have spoken out about the energy sector
and how we need to move to renewables
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and you have every point to make to
say we should also for the same reasons
we need to transition to renewables we also
need to transition to a plant based food
system.
It's so frustrating how can we reach the
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people who just want to cut the budget?
Now we got some really interesting comments from
people watching on social media.
Barbara Glick says in the confirmation hearings the
new secretary of agriculture mentioned subsidies distort the
market so we have another target to hold
accountable.
I believe this was the woman who wants
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to be the new agriculture secretary.
That's the good news that she has said
in the past that subsidies distort the market
which means she's potentially against subsidies.
The bad news is that she issued a
fiery defence of the EATS Act which would
wipe out every single little bit of progress
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we've made in for example eliminating pig gestation
crates for a lot of pigs where they're
kept in crates the size of their bodies
unable to turn around.
If she's in favour of the EATS Act
that is the worst.
It's like everything's an upside down world Donnie.
I have to go back to you.
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There's no clear cut answer here.
I think the clear cut answer is how
do we reach these people with just the
financial cut not the moral lesson.
Jane I think first of all sadly things
happen in baby steps and while many would
say that baby steps are for babies that's
probably who we're dealing with here.
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We can continue to do what we're doing
by educating the public and working with organisations
that are trying to move the needle away
from animal agriculture toward plant based consumption.
You know who's on our side?
Mother Nature.
She has sent a strong message to Americans
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and to people around the world that what
we're doing isn't working.
We saw it with the wildfires in California.
We saw it with the hurricane in North
Carolina which destroyed parts of western North Carolina.
Hurricanes that have decimated parts of the west
coast of Florida and Louisiana.
At some point it's going to be more
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cost effective for the government to do the
right thing which is to cut these subsidies
to animal agriculture than it is to turn
a blind eye.
Maybe it'll come down to dollars and cents.
Maybe it'll come down to people in positions
of power who are personally impacted by the
devastating impact of climate change driven by animal
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agriculture.
But as grassroots activists on the ground, we
have our bodies, we have our keyboards and
we can share stories like this and we
can take to our keyboards and do whatever
we can to reach the decision makers and
our elected officials who need our votes.
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So Dr. Crystal Heath, here we are.
We're offering a solution.
We're offering a solution to climate change to
a large degree.
Not a 100% but a pretty major
solution.
75% per human being reduction in greenhouse
gases.
We're offering a solution to the bird flu.
If we had no birds in factory farms
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we wouldn't have a bird flu outbreak that
we would have to kill millions of birds
in factory farms.
We're offering a solution to the human health
crisis with 70% of Americans overweight and
more than 40% obese, which is causing
our healthcare costs to skyrocket.
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We have also a solution to world hunger
by the way, which there are many people
suffering from malnutrition and hunger around the world
because animals are eating a huge percentage the
majority you could argue of the food.
We're 8.2 billion humans and we're raising
and killing 92 billion animals every year.
I mean what I don't get is how
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is it possible for these people not to
see this?
I could see the people who are making
money off of the subsidies, okay, as somebody
said famous, you can't get somebody to agree
to a reality that's going to cost them
money.
You can't get them to see a solution
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that's going to cost them money if they
adopt the solution.
But somebody like Elon Musk, okay, he seems
to be very focused on doing to the
U.S. government what he did to Twitter,
now X.
It's gutting it, gutting it, gutting it.
Well, it's right there and it actually would
help people.
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Yeah, I mean I just went to Sprouts
and you look at the egg section to
see, I'm always checking what the prices are.
Of course, the egg section is empty except
for there's a little just egg thing sitting
right there.
There's also some egg whites cans things too,
but the just egg of course is $7
while the egg still is, even though egg
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prices have gone up, the egg is still
cheaper than the just egg and that needs
to be switched.
It needs to be cheaper and easy for
people to grab.
I think a big thing with Elon Musk
and a lot of these people, they still
do not believe that you can be healthy
on a diet that doesn't include animals.
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That's a big barrier for a lot of
people and a lot of people just aren't
used to eating these foods, so we have
to solve that problem too.
I think going to this veterinary conference, I
met so many vegan vets who had no
idea who I was.
I'm like how on earth is there any
vegan vet out there who doesn't know who
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I am and what our honour is and
know about ventilation shutdown, but still so many
veterinarians who just need to get organised.
The politicians listen to us.
We need to get organised.
We need to get out there too and
take pictures of what is happening out there
in the world like I did with taking
pictures of the sick and dead cows.
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Go to the areas near you where bird
flu outbreaks are happening.
Take pictures of what is happening and send
those to the media.
We need to change the narrative.
We need to get this information out there.
We need to raise awareness about the infectious
disease trap of animal agriculture, how we are
paying so much for empty eggshells.
We are paying all this money and we're
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not even getting food out of it.
Let's redirect those subsidies towards supporting animal free
methods of food production so that we can
ensure our nation's food security and our public
health or else our nation will fall behind
all of the other nations.
That's what these guys should care about, ensuring
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our future and our public health and our
food security and animal welfare of course too.
We know that when Beyond Meat went public
in 2019 it was the most successful initial
public offering for years, the meat industry freaked
out and launched a massive PR war against
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plant-based meats basically calling them super processed.
Processed meat isn't processed, isn't super processed.
Meat isn't super processed.
When you eat a hamburger you could be
eating 100 animals or 200 animals.
It's all mixed up together, not appetising.
We have to counteract that as well because,
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and I urge all plant-based vegan people
or vegan-friendly people, do not repeat meat
eating industry talking points.
Stop talking about how you hate veggie burgers.
If you don't want them, don't eat them,
but zip it because every time somebody eats
a veggie burger they're not eating an animal
and they are 100,000 times healthier than
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a meat burger.
So where do we go from here?
We've only got a couple of minutes.
How do we reach Elon Musk?
Now I talked to somebody who deals with
a lot of high-powered people and what
he told me is they have layers and
layers and layers.
Like they have an assistant who has an
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assistant who has an assistant who has an
assistant who has an assistant.
You can't really reach them.
We were actually talking about maybe placing an
ad in a conservative publication if they would
even accept it.
You know how PETA does ads for the
Super Bowl and they always turn them down
and then they get a lot of free
advertising as a result.
Very clever way of trying to deal with
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it.
But just to recap and review about what
hasn't worked, just asking politely does not work
and let's talk a little bit about when
you try to speak truth to power.
This is an example of when you, Robert,
were arrested for trying to speak truth to
power.
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There you are in the Congressional hearing and
you're being walked out.
This is a hearing on the Farm Bill
and you're just trying to make the point
that it's packed with these terrible subsidies and
you literally are handcuffed and arrested and walked
out.
So what can we do?
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I'd like to hear from all three of
us, all four of us.
I suggest let's pool our resources and put
an ad because I want to say one
other thing.
There have been news articles where, first of
all, Vivek Ramaswamy who is a vegetarian left
Doge, so that's bad news because he might
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be more enlightened about this issue, but the
second is I've read articles saying that Elon
Musk says, well, maybe I can't cut two
trillion because he's walked into a wall with
a lot of protections of federal employees, etc.
So we're offering an elegant solution that's actually
good for the planet.
How do we reach this individual?
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I know you said you're going to his
Twitter page, but let's just brainstorm about other
possibilities.
Donnie?
How to reach Elon Musk.
One thing I did, Jane, I think you
probably did it too, is that we sent
emails to the public affairs departments of all
of the companies that Elon Musk owns or
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has a controlling interest in.
We created a campaign in which we had
thousands of people sending those letters through one
of these automated email programmes, then perhaps that
would assuredly put this idea of cutting ag
subsidies on his radar screen, no doubt.
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I also just want to make one point
of clarification, Jane.
We know that Elon Musk doesn't believe that
cutting animals from your diet will impact climate
change in a positive way and that he
doesn't think it will have any impact at
all, but we do know that he wants
to cut federal spending and so he might
not discriminate against this idea if this idea
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would in fact be a way to cut
the budget.
Right, and I'd also like to say that
a lot of these folks are libertarians and
they basically feel that the government shouldn't be
subsidising and they're against welfare.
Well, this is corporate welfare.
It's blatant corporate welfare.
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Why would they be in favour of it
if they're actually libertarians?
The question is if we could reach Elon
Musk, A, and then B, could we get
Congress, which has the purse strings, to go
along with Elon Musk?
Your thoughts, Robert Yurlow.
First of all, I'm not totally convinced that
Elon Musk will last very long so I'm
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not even sure how much we want to
invest in trying to change his mind, but
I will say Congress is not going anywhere.
So we've had Congress for as long as
we've had a country and we can get
in front of these people.
We can do more than just write emails
and it's good to leave a paper trail.
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It's good to have emails and phone calls
and social media posts tagging these people, but
guess what?
They can ignore all that, but what they
can't ignore is when we get in front
of them and that's what other social movements
have to do too.
We have to have face-to-face, honest
interactions, many different kinds of interactions, leading to
a seat at the table so that they
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take our position seriously.
We have to be willing to get out
there and get in front of them.
All right.
I love your courage.
I have a question about these as your
own protesters said, these members of Congress who
you say are bought and paid for by
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the animal agriculture industry.
I don't know that appealing to their conscience,
appealing to their logic is going to work.
I really don't because...
If they want to get re-elected they're
going to have to take their constituent groups
seriously as well and they're going to have
to figure out what the...
they're going to have to make a calculus.
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Do I side with the animal ag interests
or is there too much political pressure and
too much change in my constituent base that
says there has to be some concessions made?
That's what we're looking for, concessions, a transition.
We're not expecting something to happen overnight.
Crystal Heath.
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So last year our honour got 87 press
hits in the media from the New York
Times, The Guardian, Vox Newsweek, The Intercept, so
many Don't forget Unchained TV, lady.
Unchained TV, of course.
It's just me, mostly our honour and a
couple of helpers and this year we plan
(50:56):
to get a lot more media attention and
I have been following Elon Musk and all
of these people and there's this little crowd
of people on Twitter that all know each
other and all listen to each other.
Right now we also have a group chat
with around 800 people and we plan to
wield that group chat to help amplify some
(51:17):
tweets to various power holders.
As a result of some of my supporters
who have been tweeting at some prominent podcasters,
I will be on a pretty major podcast
hopefully in the next few weeks and we've
got another major media story that might come
out in the next few days too.
So we're working hard to get media attention
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and I think this whole talk about bird
flu is becoming much more prominent.
There's a lot more media attention around it
and I think we have the opportunity to
really push our narrative, take advantage of this
whole bird flu situation as horrifying as it
is and get out there, take pictures, talk
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to people, put our perspectives out there on
Twitter which is still, everybody's leaving Twitter but
that's where Elon Musk and all of these
people are and that's where all the journalists
are too.
So start writing thoughtful things, making creative content,
going out there in the field and taking
pictures of what is actually happening and talk
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to your veterinarian too who do have the
power to change policy and legislation in the
United States because our policy makers will listen
to veterinarians and experts they won't necessarily listen
to animal rights activists unfortunately but animal rights
activists can influence veterinarians.
Well you are a hero for first of
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all for many things but for going out
there and videotaping those cows at your own
risk because those cows undoubtedly had bird flu
and died from bird flu so I'm glad
you're safe.
I don't see a lot of pictures of
cows like that in mainstream media, systematically ignored.
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So I also applaud you Dr. Heath for
getting on these major publications when so many
people have had no luck.
So I feel that you have a magic
touch, keep going.
But I also like Robert Grillo's approach of
speaking truth to power, going into these hearings
and disrupting them.
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I mean that's non-violent civil disobedience to
get a point across because they don't listen.
If you talk to them nicely and they
don't listen you have to step it up.
I also like Donnie Moss's idea of really
doubling down on X and I also like
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the idea of a high-tech petition that
lays out exactly where they can cut the
costs in the farm bill which has not
passed yet.
We do have an opportunity.
So I just want to thank all of
you for doing incredible work.
Everybody share this video out if you're watching
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plea for everyone to download Unchained TV.
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