February 25, 2025 • 38 mins
In this powerful message, Apostle Mike and Pastor Julie Signorelli dive into how conflict doesn’t have to tear us apart, but can actually strengthen our relationships. Learn how to navigate disagreements with grace, embrace God’s design for connection, and build lasting unity.
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Okay, so we're talking aboutcovenant right now.
And I'm going to start withEphesians, chapter 5, verse 25 through
27.
It says, Husbands, love yourwives, as Christ loved the church
and gave himself up for her.
That he might sanctify her,having cleansed her by the washing
of water with the Word.
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So that he might present thechurch to him in splendor, without
spot or wrinkle or any such thing.
That he might be.
That she might be holy andwithout blemish.
So marriage reflects acovenant, not a commitment.
And that covenant is the bridebeing washed by the groom.
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And he actually washes her andpresents her to himself without spot
or blemish.
I want to start by saying, Igot good news for you.
The Lord has made a commitmentto wash you.
The Lord has made a commitmentto present you to himself without
spot or blemish.
And I want to give you good news.
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The bride doesn't wash herself.
The groom washes the bride.
So for those of you who aretrapped in legalism, for those of
you are trapped incondemnation and guilt and shame,
you don't wash yourself.
He washes you.
So get over this idea that youcan make yourself pure.
No, he makes you pure.
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Can I get an amen on that?
In the same way, husbands, ifyou don't like your marriage, wash
your wife.
Wash her with the word,encourage your wife, prophesy over
your wife, read the word toyour wife, because your wife is a
reflection of how you loveyour wife.
And I think, for me, that'swhat I've learned over all the years.
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Like, I'm gonna.
This is really scary.
Cause I didn't prepare you forall this stuff, but what is it like
to be a wife?
And I know I've gotten itwrong and I've hurt you many times,
but there's, like, I've triedto get it right.
And, you know, what is it like?
Cause I feel like you've hadtwo different husbands in two different
eras.
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Can you maybe talk about,like, what is it?
Cause there's even words I'vegiven you, radical words about things
that I won't even say thathave come to pass.
But I feel like I've hurt youwith my words, and I've healed you
with my words, because Ididn't understand the revelation
of Ephesians, chapter 5.
So if you were to speak from awoman's perspective, what is it like
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to be on both sides?
What is it like?
You know, to be subjected tohurtful words, but healing words?
I mean, I.
We've been married almost 20 years.
We're celebrating 20 yearsnext January.
I know.
And we always joke.
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We are always like, we've beenmarried 20 years.
We've had.
Well, it's more now.
We've had 10 good ones oreight good ones, you know, and we've
been on both sides.
I think you've also.
You've been the recipient ofthe best parts of me and the worst
parts of me, and.
Watch it.
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And so, yeah, I've been hurtby your words and healed by your
words.
And I will say that, you know,gentlemen, the hurt, it takes a lot
longer to heal.
You know, you can give acompliment, and that'll send her
soaring, like, all day, butyou say one hurtful thing, and she
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could hold onto that for along, long time.
You know, I had one time I hadsomebody, you know, make a comment
about the way I looked.
And, I mean, this was, like,years ago, right after, you know,
right after I probably had Bella.
And that to this day, when Itry on something in the fitting room,
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that comment comes in my head.
I'm just, you know, exactlyhow it was said.
So I've had to learn.
Can you tell me who said it?
No, because I'm getting angryright now.
Old Mike is coming out rightnow on stage.
Old Mike?
Yeah.
Text it to me later.
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I'll text you.
But it just goes to show you,like, that was 20 years ago, that
somebody probably didn't evengive two thoughts behind what they
were saying.
And yet that stayed with me 20 years.
18 years.
And so you have to.
Your words.
I always tell my kids this,and I don't get it right, either.
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I yell at them.
I say dumb things.
I, you know, have said hurtful things.
So I'm not trying to pretendlike I've, like, got this figured
out, but I try to tell them,like, your words are like, crystal.
Like, crystal.
Like, you know, we don't useit anymore.
Our dishes are from Amazon.
But let's pretend like we havecrystal dishes.
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You know how the dishes inyour grandma's, like, curio cabinet,
your mom's curio cabinet, andyou're not allowed to eat on them?
That's your words.
We treat our dishes with morecare and concern than we treat the
way that we talk to our spouses.
We think more about the soapthat will clean those dishes and
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what needs to be hand washed,what needs to be thrown in the dishwasher,
and yet we just, like,casually just smell, say what we
think with our words all the time.
And I Can tell.
Like just seeing the growth inyou over years.
I mean, listen, we're human.
We wanna say mean things toeach other.
I don't think anybodygraduates if you're just waiting,
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like, to not have that reallysnide comment, like, in your head.
You know, you're gonna diewith that.
It's about your gettingcontrol of your flesh and this lie
that you can't control whatcomes out of your mouth.
You know, like, oh, I'm, youknow, I grew up Irish.
That's the way we talk.
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I grew up this way.
That's the way we talk.
It's like, no, that isn't theway you talk.
That's a demonic kingdom.
That's a demonic language.
That is not the way that we talk.
And us having to, you know,you inherit the worst parts of how
you grew up.
And when you put those twotoxic, real, and everybody's got
it.
I grew up in a Christianspirit filled household.
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It doesn't matter.
We all have the worst parts of us.
When you get married, you takethe worst parts of who you've seen
growing up and the worst partsof who he's seen growing up and you
put them together and now youhave a toxic, you know, demonic birthday
party.
And you gotta navigate lifethrough that.
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That is the, that is your.
That is our Adamic nature.
That's what a theologian wouldcall it, our sinful nature that we're
born into.
But here's the hope is that ifyou submit yourself to the Lord and
you submit yourself to eachother and you say, I'm gonna talk
to her the way that I wish youwould talk to me, baby, you just
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changed the game.
And I began talking to you theway I wanted you to talk to me.
And you started talking to methe way.
The way that you wanted tohear me talk to you.
And all of a sudden it's likethat demonic stronghold of toxic
communication was broken.
That's it.
It's so weird because, like,no, while you were talking, I felt
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like you were reading my mind.
It was very weird.
I was like, I just put the mic down.
I was like, I'm not evenneeded right now because we're flowing
in, like oneness.
Because what I was going tosay is, you speak what you want to
see, not what you currently see.
This is what everybody gets wrong.
Like, a fool can speak whatthey see, but a wise person can speak
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what they want to see.
This is like, call a man agood man and he will act like a good
man.
Call a man a bad man whilehe's being bad, and he'll be worse.
I'm speaking in wisdom right now.
Like, you tell a good manwho's doing something bad that he's
a bad man, he'll do something worse.
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But you tell a good man who'sdoing something bad that he's good
and you'll remind him who hereally is.
See, I'm speaking in wisdom.
A fool can just say, so.
What happened was I was a goodman wrestling with the evil parts
of me.
And what she had to do is keepreminding me of who I really was.
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Well, all I'm saying is, isthat not how God treated you?
It's like she's standingbefore the group of men who want
to stone her to death.
Literally throw rocks at herhead till she dies.
And Lord's like, he withoutsin cast the first stone.
They all drop their stones andJesus looks at the woman and says,
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go and sin no more.
It's crazy how we marry peoplebut never learn how to drop stones.
It's crazy to me.
And we show more grace toKanye west.
For real.
Like, when our favoritecelebrity messes up, we show them
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more grace than the person wewalk down the aisle with.
It's crazy.
And so like a Kanye fan'slike, yes, he needs so much help.
He needs, so he does.
We pray for him.
That anti Semitic.
I started going viral postingabout Israel lately, and I was like,
right on time, Holy Ghost.
But what I think we learned islike, I started speaking and prophesying
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over you the opposite of whatyou think in your own head.
You know, because the thingis, most people struggle with low
self esteem, condemnation,feelings of inadequacy.
So when you say mean things tothem, all you're doing is confirming
the voice of doubt in theirown head.
So I believe what spousesshould be doing is speaking the opposite
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of what they think, theopposite of what they feel, the opposite.
Like, you guys, many of youmet me.
Cause we're all best friends now.
You met me in this season ofmy life where it's normal to be having
churches all over the US thisis not normal to me.
In a previous season, I mean,I remember Julie literally yelling
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at me, but yelling at me,saying, you are gonna plant churches,
many churches.
Like, she had to literallyyell it to me.
Cause I didn't believe it.
And that story I just toldyou, I was drunk out of my mind and
I'm being really real.
This wasn't last weekend.
Everyone's like, this was like15 years ago.
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Like 15 years ago, almost 20years ago.
I'm drunk out of my mind.
I have no vision for this.
I lost.
The reason why I drank isbecause I was hopeless.
And I was like, if I'm notgonna kill myself instantly, I'll
do it progressively.
That's what addiction is.
And so I'm drunk out of mymind, can't see.
And it was because my pastorfell into sin.
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All the pastors around himfell into sin.
My dad died.
My whole world collapsedwithin two year span.
Everything that I had built mylife on all collapsed.
So I became so hopeless that Ijust embraced alcoholism.
But what I'm saying is, so Iwasn't this man of God anymore.
I was in my lowest of low,completely drunk out of my mind.
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And my wife's yelling at me,you are gonna plant many churches
that story.
The older we get, the crazierthat story is to me.
Cause it's the.
Who does that?
But I believe the Holy Spiritin Julie.
It was almost.
I'm getting a revelation on stage.
It was almost like Noahgetting drunk on the boat, where
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it's like, you are.
God did call you to get ourfamily to somewhere else.
And you're not going to keepgetting drunk on this boat.
And you are going to fulfillyour destiny.
And she covered my nakedness.
That's what happened.
She covered my nakedness.
It was like, my husband isdrunk out of his mind naked.
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But he's also Noah Devil.
He's also Noah.
And I feel like there'ssomething powerful and I'm trying
to get this to you.
Cause this is what I hate.
The biggest thing.
I'm just gonna.
I don't even care.
The reason why I gained like30 pounds in the last year is because
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I have never been lied aboutand lied on as much as I have in
the last year.
And it's crazy to me how muchChristians just fabricate lies.
And I wanted to fight formyself, defend myself.
And it literally made me thinkI was gonna break this year.
Like, I think I quit ministryin my mind like 50 times this year
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because I didn't realize howtoxic the world is.
I mean, it was levels ofdepravity that I didn't even think
were possible by peopleclaiming to be Christians on YouTube,
Facebook, Instagram, the local church.
And I did not realize howunhinged and crazy people could be.
So for this last year, I havebeen dealing with.
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I did not know that Christianslied on that level and still think
they're going to heaven.
And there's been a lot ofwarfare over who is the true Mike.
And I've wanted to defendmyself, being like, man, if you only
knew.
It's vindicating.
You know what I mean?
And I'm not trying to make itawkward right now, but the reason
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why it's important for me toeven say this stuff is because the
world sees, like, oh, Mikewants more campuses.
No, I wanted to die.
It's like, the truth of thestory is even crazier than what you
think is the truth.
It's not like I'm going aroundtriumphantly planting all these churches.
I was in the fetal position inour little apartment, completely
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wasted out of my mind.
And my wife is screaming atme, no, you're gonna plant many churches.
Like, this is not the destiny that.
Because in my flesh, I justwanted to die.
So I think that the reason whytruth is so important is because
what Julie was doing.
And I want you to go deeper onthis, babe, because you're not even
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really a prophet.
So, like, this story is crazy.
Like, I've been on stage withmy wife all around the world, and
50 million times I've said,did God give you a word?
And this is what she does.
Every time, the same thing.
Then she goes, no.
I said this morning I wasn'tgonna bust you out.
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He looked at me and said, do.
You have a word?
And I'm.
I always pause because I'mlike, hey, if God's gonna give me
one, I'll take it.
You see me close, you couldroll it back in the live stream.
I looked at him, I said, no,bro, I ain't got nothing.
But you do it like this.
She tries.
She tries.
I do.
I'm like.
And then she goes, no, no.
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And she goes back.
So no one sees her go, no,because I'm not a lid.
I love putting people intotheir gifting or whatever.
So my point is, this is whyI've said all that.
This is why I said all that.
I think the farther we get onthis journey, like, you're seeing
my highlights, but you're notseeing my low lights.
You're not seeing the cuttingroom floor.
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You're not seeing the.
You see the stage.
You need to see the backstage.
Cause it was crazy for someonewho's not a prophet to prophesy.
It was crazy for a drunk guyto receive a word about planting
multiple churches.
Everything that you'veexperienced in my life in this season
is a legit miracle.
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So it's like when some of youguys are like, oh, you don't know
my husband, bro.
You don't know who I used to be.
Your husband is double the manI used to be.
Are you kidding me?
The raw material of yourhusband is two times greater than
the raw material of me.
It's like Paul says.
I'm the chief among sinners.
Are you kidding me?
I used to kill Christians.
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You're telling me you can't dowhat God called you to do?
I was worse than your husband.
Some people are like, oh, Iwish I had Mike as my husband.
You better wish again.
Feel sorry for this woman, butyou don't know that version of me.
But her words.
Her words.
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She didn't say, you're drunk.
She said, you're a church planter.
A fool can say what they see,but the wise will prophesy what they
want to see.
This is why the.
This is the true.
You want the true story?
I was worse than what you saidabout me, but my future is better
than what you said, too.
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You feel that?
So this is why.
Come on.
Somebody in the back felt that.
Let me read you a verse.
Joshua, chapter 24 and 14 and 15.
Joshua, chapter 24, verses 14and 15.
Joshua is calling the peopleof God to renew their commitment
and covenant.
It's like, renew.
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It's their covenant with God.
And this parallels ourmarriage, our ministry, our calling.
There's intervals where wehave to renew our covenant now.
And that's what Julie wasdoing when I got drunk in that story.
I was basically trespassing onthat covenant.
And it was like Julie wascalling me into a point of renew.
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Renew the covenant.
So earlier in this service, Idid something very intentional to
make this sermon like anillustrated sermon.
When I said, hey, if V1 Churchis not your church, stop complaining
about it and just go findanother church.
Because we need to renew our covenant.
That's a biblical mandate.
But we also need to do this inour marriage.
Have you ever heard of a vow renewal?
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It's a very similar situation.
Like, the man that made myvows to her is not the man that's
sitting on this stage.
So I have to renew my vows inevery season of my life.
And so that you have to dothat with the church.
You might have come into V1.
Being like, this church isamazing, but over time, you're lacking
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covenant.
You become intoxicated like Iwas, and you need somebody to yell
at you and prophesy, this iswhere we're going.
Renew your covenant.
And so this is, I think,something, Julie, that me and you
have learned over the years isto renew our covenant.
So can you maybe speak aboutwhat it means, because I feel like
for you, you're good atrenewing that covenant.
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And I look at it like a baptism.
Like, let me ask you, theaudience, before I kick it back to
Jules.
When you go down into thewater, what is that a symbol of dying?
Death.
Right.
So when you're up here, it's commitment.
I'm committed to Christ.
But it doesn't become covenantuntil you go into the water and die
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to self, and then you joinwith his resurrection.
So death to self going intothat water, sharing in the death
is how you go from commitmentabove the water to.
To covenant below the water.
And then you come back up.
Is that a revelation?
Because why?
And let me ask you this.
Don't be offended.
I come from Sicilian Catholic family.
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But sprinkling is nowhere in Scripture.
Sprinkling is commitment.
Submersion is covenant.
That's only in the Bible doyou find full submersion.
Why?
Well, you're gonna.
Your.
Your whole wig, your makeup,everything's going in the water.
Your underwear, everything'sgoing in that water.
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It's nasty.
It's going to reveal you.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, there's something aboutfull submersion that is necessary
because you can't halfway covenant.
Does that make sense?
So some of you want tosprinkle your covenant to V1, sprinkle
your covenant to marriage.
Sprinkle your covenant.
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It's like, no, the word of Godis very clear.
It's all or nothing.
And I believe that that's what.
So can you speak maybe alittle bit about how you've been
able to go through seasons ofrenewal, which is like a re.
Baptism or resubmersion?
I mean, conflict will testyour covenant for sure.
Like, your wedding is a sprinkle.
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Your first crisis is the testof your covenant.
Come on.
I remember we went to, youknow, like, a baby baptism, and one
of the guys, you know howthey're, like, wheeling out the keg
into the.
I'm like, what are we doing here?
This is a church.
I'm so confused.
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But right before, you know,this was like, someone we loosely
knew and we were just going tosupport, and they said little Emily
just got her ticket to heaven.
And I'm like, who's going totell him?
You know?
And I think sometimes we haveour wedding, and we're like, that's
it.
We're in covenant.
It's like, no, you have nothit a crisis yet.
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Your crisis will test your covenant.
That's why in church life it'snot about when things are good, it's
about when things aren't good.
Where's.
Where's the test of your covenant?
What's the depth of it?
And some of you are covenantedto be right.
You made a covenant to be right.
You made a covenant to wearthe pants.
You made a covenant to have control.
You made a covenant to beintimate, but you didn't make a covenant
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to the person.
You didn't make a covenant tothe commitment, to the generational
commitment that it takes to,you know, you can't pray.
Blessings over your kids marriage.
If you have a toxic one,there's something you gotta line
it up right.
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So I wanna encourage you guys,like, when it comes to like that
recommitment.
I look at, you know, everyday, every day I'm recommitting my
salvation to the Lord.
I'm like, lord, I'm dying to myself.
The Bible says that we die daily.
And in our marriage covenant,we die daily.
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We have good days and we havebad days.
And I'm thankful that our baddays are much fewer and far between.
But there are days when I geton your nerves.
Yeah.
I was just thinking our baddays are your fault now.
Yeah.
Now that I'm sober, it's pretty.
Watch it.
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But you know what?
I know I'm annoying.
Yes.
I know.
I'm like, give me a hug, giveme a kiss.
Like, when are we gonna go out?
You know I'm very annoying.
I know that.
But I.
But like, we have to make acommitment daily.
This is not crisis to crisis.
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This is not decade to decade.
This is every day.
Are you willing to die to yourself?
To live for Jesus and to livefor your spouse?
Yeah.
I wanna talk about thecovenant that people make to imaginations.
Because sometimes you can havethis like, spouse in your mind, you
know, and we talked about this.
There's a lot of women that wetalk to that it's not even a sexual
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fantasy.
It's actually like this personin their mind that they're like,
this person treats me thisway, talks to me this way.
And it almost can be parallelto like a spiritual spouse where
people have this covenant orthis commitment to a fantasy, and
the real person they're withdoes not align with that fantasy.
So sometimes you have to breakup with a fantasy so that you can
covenant with the reality.
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And that's something for me.
Like, I used to have a fantasyof what you were gonna be like.
And I've had to be like, no.
Am I in love with the RealJulie, or the fantasy of what Julie
could be.
And you know, because it'slike, sometimes I'd be like, man,
I want us to have deep conversations.
And Julie's like, there's justsome times where, you know.
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Cause for me, if I go staringoff into the distance, I'm thinking,
like deep philosophical thoughts.
I've looked over at Julie andshe's like this.
And I'm like, babe, what areyou thinking about?
Tell me your heart.
And she was like, nothing.
And I'd be like, no, no,seriously, tell me.
I want to talk with you.
And she's just like, nothing.
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And she was like, do youremember those old televisions where
you would go on Channel oneand it would be like.
She's like, that's what's inmy brain right now.
I, I, I'm not seeing anything,hearing anything.
I'm, When I look.
So for me, looking into thedistance is like Rain Man 16, 24
or 32.
And it's just this and thisguy here.
And the Lord says this.
And then over here, this says,yes, let's, and when.
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And then Julie, we're bothlooking into the distance and Julie
springs going.
It'S beautiful.
And I'm so thankful it's thesame thing.
Because we lay down to go to sleep.
And I lay down and my brain goes.
And then Julie lays down.
She goes.
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And then you look over at meand it's two in the morning.
Hello, darkness, my oldfriend, you know, And I'm doing prayer
vigils.
Oh, Lord, please.
And all this stuff.
And the whole time throughevery watch of the night.
Like a week ago, he was in theliving room just sweating.
I mean, travailing, like, in prayer.
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He was like, how did you sleep?
I'm like, great.
I'm like, I'm literallygetting attacked by principalities
coming in my room.
Who are you?
Man of God.
Satan sent me.
And I'm like, battling it out.
And then all of a sudden,Julie's in the other room like this,
for, I kid you not, this room.
And I was like, devil, go fight.
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Julie's like, I ain't worriedabout her.
She ain't doing nothing.
She ain't high rank.
Yeah.
This is what you.
You think we're joking?
We are not joking.
And I know he's annoyed.
And I'm like, man, I ain'tgonna apologize.
I ain't slept good in a week.
I'm grateful.
But you know what it is in agood marriage, it's like, I need
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to learn how to turn it off.
And she needs to learn how toturn it on.
And we.
Because somewhere in themiddle is a saint that represents
our oneness, that knows whento pray and knows when to sleep.
Because she got the revelationof Jesus in the boat, and I've got
the revelation of Jesus in the garden.
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But they were both Jesus.
So it's like to her, if youdon't get in the garden, you know,
but then for me, if I don'tlearn how to fall asleep, I don't
make it to the garden.
This is revelation.
So the thing that you don'tlike about your spouse could be the
very thing that God's usingfor them to disciple you in.
Oh, I'm speaking to somebody.
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And I would not.
Don't be trying to make your spouse.
John Eckhart.
I was literally just gonna saythat really?
Like, what if your spousewanting to go to the jets game is
actually what your soul needs?
And what if you started goingthe jets game, he'll start going
to church.
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It's like, you know, becausethis is a relationship.
Like, what if.
What if the Lord's like, hey,you are a powerful intercessor, but
you're also kind of boring andyou need to be balanced.
I'm talking to myself, youknow, so if you got jets tickets.
But you see how, like, becauseit is both, like, the disciples were
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eating and drinking withChrist, and they got this reputation
of being gluttons anddrunkards and gluttons, because they're
traveling around, they're laughing.
But then also, Jesus said, besober and vigilant.
It's time to pray.
And it depended on what season.
There's a season of suffering,there's a season of celebration.
So I think a lot of timescouples are like, I wish my husband.
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And it's like, yes, but yourhusband will get there.
But what is he doing that hewishes you would do?
And why don't you guys startsowing and investing in each other?
Cause that helps.
And we've learned how to do that.
But just to kind of come to aclose, babe.
Because, by the way, if you'relike, man, I want more of this.
You know, this Friday at9:00pm Eastern Standard Time, we're
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gonna do the third installmentof our marriage, and we're gonna
keep going.
We got two more sessions, evenafter this one's over.
But just like baptism, justlike covenant renewal, the last thing
I wanted to talk about waswhat are some practical ways?
Because it's like, I feel likeI rep in our marriage.
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I represent the supernatural.
She Represents the superpractical, right?
I'm fasting, she's snacking.
That's literally.
I kid you not, that'sliterally how it is.
But listen, I fasted till 4pmthat sun was down.
I was like, I'm in.
I'm all in.
I thought we were.
Last week, I thought we weredoing a water only fast all week,
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a water only fast.
And all of a sudden it's like 4:15.
I'm like.
And I smell.
And I'm like, jules, did you eat?
She.
It was gloomy outside.
I said, the sun went down.
I said, you're doing a sun up.
The sundown.
I thought this was.
She's like, the sun went downearly today.
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Play that piano.
Come on now.
Come on, somebody.
But.
But this is real life becausewe're joking about it now.
I would actually.
The old me would have been madat her for real.
And I would have found out sheate, and I'd be like, what's wrong
with you?
You've never fasted more thana day like this.
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Blah, blah, blah.
It's like.
But now I go in the room andI'm like, did you eat?
You know, and we're laughingabout it because it's funny.
And I'll duke it out with theprincipality while she sleeps.
Because you know what?
I'm the man of the house andit's my job to be fighting the principalities
anyways.
You know what I mean?
She's the queen in the castle,and I'm Super Mario and I know what
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to do.
Come on.
I know what to do, girl.
But what if I told you thatGod could take you to a place of
covenant where you laugh aboutthe things you used to fight about?
It's all about perspective.
Because I stopped wantingJulie to be something she wasn't.
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And I broke the vow with an imagination.
And I started saying, God,what is it about her life I'm supposed
to learn?
And Julie's ministry to me is,learn how to turn your brain off,
Mike.
Because your greatest asset isyour greatest liability.
So there's.
There is a wisdom in it, and I can't.
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Every time we minister tocouples and we sit with them in,
you know, marriage counselingsessions, I'm telling you not every
time, but probably eight ornine out of ten times.
They're telling me the wholetime how we messed up, we're not
good for each other, thisisn't right.
And then two, three sessionsin, I'm laughing, I'm like, you guys
are perfect for each other.
You just don't know how, youdon't know how.
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So that's what this is.
This is us going back to that.
So I want to pray for you inthe next several moments.
But let me minister this last thing.
What was the first ministry,the first miracle that Jesus did
in ministry?
He turned water to wine.
Right?
And this is the wedding at Cana.
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So the very first, the veryfirst miracle that's recorded is
the water turning into wine.
And it was a wedding ceremony.
So let me give you therevelation of that.
Water always stays water.
Wine is wine after a process.
But when Jesus is in themidst, he can expedite that process
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and take the ordinary and makeit extraordinary.
So the thing is, when youbring Jesus into your marriage, he
can take a normal, everyday,just water and turn it into something
extraordinary.
So here's the thing.
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I am just water.
You're water.
Like we're just ordinary people.
And left to myself, you know,this is even a deeper revelation.
What happens to stagnant water?
What happens to stagnant water?
Yeah, stagnant water begins togrow, mold, mildew film and becomes
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poisonous.
But wine can sit in a jar forhundreds of years.
So what happened was you leaveMike Signorelli to myself.
I'm dead already.
I'm not even alive to tellthis sermon.
You leave Julie to herself andshe's riding a full four wheeler
and Rensselier and you know,living a hillbilly life.
You know, never preach to the nations.
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I'm not trying to sell her out.
She needs a little pushinginto her ministry.
You know, you need that, agood push because left to yourself,
you're not going to push yourself.
So it's like, but that'sstagnant water.
So I die and go to hell.
Julie goes to heaven without rewards.
That truly is, I believe whatwas written for us in the natural
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is Mike.
I believe in the natural, thatwas the destiny.
Mike goes to hell and Juliegoes to heaven without rewards.
And if you don't understandspiritual rewards, read the New Testament
this week.
So Julie goes to heavenwithout rewards and Mike goes to
hell.
That was what in the naturalwas written.
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Just like water doesn't everturn into wine, when Jesus comes
into the room, you can betransformed into something that you
could never make yourself intothat lasts and remains.
And I'm telling you, my lifeis wine.
I remember when we moved tothis region, Julie, that prophet
told you, he said, where'syour husband?
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I wasn't even in the room.
And our church was brand new.
I think we had 50 people inthis church.
And he said, the Lord's givenyour husband a key, and it's a key
in the shape of a wine glass.
And he's going to put that keyinto this region and turn that key.
And the wine of the Holy Ghostis going to flow from Long island
all the way to the nations,and it's going to be a wine of revival.
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And I believe it's arestoration of marriages, like Jesus
in the wedding ceremony of Canaan.
So I want to prophesy overyour marriage.
If you're with your spouseright now, grab their hand.
If you're not, it's okay.
But if they are, just grabtheir hand, because I want to pray
over your marriage.
If you're single, you need tobreak the fantasy with the spirit
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spouse.
Break the fantasy with thisthing in your head.
And, Julie, I'm going to askthat you pray.
And if the Lord gave you aword, you go ahead and give it, girl.
But we're gonna pray right nowbecause I believe that the Lord's
gonna turn water into winebecause he's a God of covenant.
And as you renew thatcovenant, even if your spouse isn't
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here, and you're gonna go homeand renew that covenant, I believe
that the Lord is gonna dosomething powerful.
A few months ago, during theBible study that we were doing online,
we talked about the wedding atCana, and one of the things, you
know, as we were studying theWord, is where exactly did the miracle
happen?
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Did it happen in the vats?
Did it happen in the cup?
Did it happen immediately?
Did it happen when he took a sip?
Did he happen while he waswalking with the cup?
We don't know.
But what I know is that it did happen.
Some of you, in your marriage,I don't know when the miracle is
going to happen for you.
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I don't know if it's.
You're gonna take a stepfirst, and God's gonna do a miracle.
I don't know if you're gonnatake 50 steps and God's gonna do
a miracle.
But what I know is that amiracle is on the way.
Lord, we thank you.
Come on.
For the miracle in marriage.
God, we thank you that thereare people that can't even utter
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the things that they faced out loud.
And, God, in five years,they're going to be laughing at dinner
about the things that theyovercame, that it ends in joy, it
ends in restoration, it endsin hope, it ends in renewal, it ends
in freedom.
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And, God, I thank you for themiracle that is on the way that we're
not gonna keep a scorecard ofthe time frame.
Lord, you forgot about me.
We're not going to shake ourfists at God.
We're going to be faithful tocarry the cup to the master.
Lord, you said you would do it.
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I don't know if it's happeningin this step or the next, but it
is going to happen.
And God, we thank you for whatis on the way in our marriages.
God, let it be today.
But if it isn't today, God, wewill be sure to stand on your word
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because you do not lie inJesus name.
Sa.
Okay, so we're talking aboutcovenant right now.
And I'm going to start withEphesians, chapter 5, verse 25 through
27.
It says, Husbands, love yourwives, as Christ loved the church
and gave himself up for her.
That he might sanctify her,having cleansed her by the washing
of water with the Word.
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So that he might present thechurch to him in splendor, without
spot or wrinkle or any such thing.
That he might be.
That she might be holy andwithout blemish.
So marriage reflects acovenant, not a commitment.
And that covenant is the bridebeing washed by the groom.
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And he actually washes her andpresents her to himself without spot
or blemish.
I want to start by saying, Igot good news for you.
The Lord has made a commitmentto wash you.
The Lord has made a commitmentto present you to himself without
spot or blemish.
And I want to give you good news.
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The bride doesn't wash herself.
The groom washes the bride.
So for those of you who aretrapped in legalism, for those of
you are trapped incondemnation and guilt and shame,
you don't wash yourself.
He washes you.
So get over this idea that youcan make yourself pure.
No, he makes you pure.
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Can I get an amen on that?
In the same way, husbands, ifyou don't like your marriage, wash
your wife.
Wash her with the word,encourage your wife, prophesy over
your wife, read the word toyour wife, because your wife is a
reflection of how you loveyour wife.
And I think, for me, that'swhat I've learned over all the years.
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Like, I'm gonna.
This is really scary.
Cause I didn't prepare you forall this stuff, but what is it like
to be a wife?
And I know I've gotten itwrong and I've hurt you many times,
but there's, like, I've triedto get it right.
And, you know, what is it like?
Cause I feel like you've hadtwo different husbands in two different
eras.
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Can you maybe talk about,like, what is it?
Cause there's even words I'vegiven you, radical words about things
that I won't even say thathave come to pass.
But I feel like I've hurt youwith my words, and I've healed you
with my words, because Ididn't understand the revelation
of Ephesians, chapter 5.
So if you were to speak from awoman's perspective, what is it like
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to be on both sides?
What is it like?
You know, to be subjected tohurtful words, but healing words?
I mean, I.
We've been married almost 20 years.
We're celebrating 20 yearsnext January.
I know.
And we always joke.
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We are always like, we've beenmarried 20 years.
We've had.
Well, it's more now.
We've had 10 good ones oreight good ones, you know, and we've
been on both sides.
I think you've also.
You've been the recipient ofthe best parts of me and the worst
parts of me, and.
Watch it.
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And so, yeah, I've been hurtby your words and healed by your
words.
And I will say that, you know,gentlemen, the hurt, it takes a lot
longer to heal.
You know, you can give acompliment, and that'll send her
soaring, like, all day, butyou say one hurtful thing, and she
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could hold onto that for along, long time.
You know, I had one time I hadsomebody, you know, make a comment
about the way I looked.
And, I mean, this was, like,years ago, right after, you know,
right after I probably had Bella.
And that to this day, when Itry on something in the fitting room,
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that comment comes in my head.
I'm just, you know, exactlyhow it was said.
So I've had to learn.
Can you tell me who said it?
No, because I'm getting angryright now.
Old Mike is coming out rightnow on stage.
Old Mike?
Yeah.
Text it to me later.
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I'll text you.
But it just goes to show you,like, that was 20 years ago, that
somebody probably didn't evengive two thoughts behind what they
were saying.
And yet that stayed with me 20 years.
18 years.
And so you have to.
Your words.
I always tell my kids this,and I don't get it right, either.
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I yell at them.
I say dumb things.
I, you know, have said hurtful things.
So I'm not trying to pretendlike I've, like, got this figured
out, but I try to tell them,like, your words are like, crystal.
Like, crystal.
Like, you know, we don't useit anymore.
Our dishes are from Amazon.
But let's pretend like we havecrystal dishes.
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You know how the dishes inyour grandma's, like, curio cabinet,
your mom's curio cabinet, andyou're not allowed to eat on them?
That's your words.
We treat our dishes with morecare and concern than we treat the
way that we talk to our spouses.
We think more about the soapthat will clean those dishes and
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what needs to be hand washed,what needs to be thrown in the dishwasher,
and yet we just, like,casually just smell, say what we
think with our words all the time.
And I Can tell.
Like just seeing the growth inyou over years.
I mean, listen, we're human.
We wanna say mean things toeach other.
I don't think anybodygraduates if you're just waiting,
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like, to not have that reallysnide comment, like, in your head.
You know, you're gonna diewith that.
It's about your gettingcontrol of your flesh and this lie
that you can't control whatcomes out of your mouth.
You know, like, oh, I'm, youknow, I grew up Irish.
That's the way we talk.
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I grew up this way.
That's the way we talk.
It's like, no, that isn't theway you talk.
That's a demonic kingdom.
That's a demonic language.
That is not the way that we talk.
And us having to, you know,you inherit the worst parts of how
you grew up.
And when you put those twotoxic, real, and everybody's got
it.
I grew up in a Christianspirit filled household.
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It doesn't matter.
We all have the worst parts of us.
When you get married, you takethe worst parts of who you've seen
growing up and the worst partsof who he's seen growing up and you
put them together and now youhave a toxic, you know, demonic birthday
party.
And you gotta navigate lifethrough that.
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That is the, that is your.
That is our Adamic nature.
That's what a theologian wouldcall it, our sinful nature that we're
born into.
But here's the hope is that ifyou submit yourself to the Lord and
you submit yourself to eachother and you say, I'm gonna talk
to her the way that I wish youwould talk to me, baby, you just
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changed the game.
And I began talking to you theway I wanted you to talk to me.
And you started talking to methe way.
The way that you wanted tohear me talk to you.
And all of a sudden it's likethat demonic stronghold of toxic
communication was broken.
That's it.
It's so weird because, like,no, while you were talking, I felt
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like you were reading my mind.
It was very weird.
I was like, I just put the mic down.
I was like, I'm not evenneeded right now because we're flowing
in, like oneness.
Because what I was going tosay is, you speak what you want to
see, not what you currently see.
This is what everybody gets wrong.
Like, a fool can speak whatthey see, but a wise person can speak
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what they want to see.
This is like, call a man agood man and he will act like a good
man.
Call a man a bad man whilehe's being bad, and he'll be worse.
I'm speaking in wisdom right now.
Like, you tell a good manwho's doing something bad that he's
a bad man, he'll do something worse.
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But you tell a good man who'sdoing something bad that he's good
and you'll remind him who hereally is.
See, I'm speaking in wisdom.
A fool can just say, so.
What happened was I was a goodman wrestling with the evil parts
of me.
And what she had to do is keepreminding me of who I really was.
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Well, all I'm saying is, isthat not how God treated you?
It's like she's standingbefore the group of men who want
to stone her to death.
Literally throw rocks at herhead till she dies.
And Lord's like, he withoutsin cast the first stone.
They all drop their stones andJesus looks at the woman and says,
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go and sin no more.
It's crazy how we marry peoplebut never learn how to drop stones.
It's crazy to me.
And we show more grace toKanye west.
For real.
Like, when our favoritecelebrity messes up, we show them
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more grace than the person wewalk down the aisle with.
It's crazy.
And so like a Kanye fan'slike, yes, he needs so much help.
He needs, so he does.
We pray for him.
That anti Semitic.
I started going viral postingabout Israel lately, and I was like,
right on time, Holy Ghost.
But what I think we learned islike, I started speaking and prophesying
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over you the opposite of whatyou think in your own head.
You know, because the thingis, most people struggle with low
self esteem, condemnation,feelings of inadequacy.
So when you say mean things tothem, all you're doing is confirming
the voice of doubt in theirown head.
So I believe what spousesshould be doing is speaking the opposite
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of what they think, theopposite of what they feel, the opposite.
Like, you guys, many of youmet me.
Cause we're all best friends now.
You met me in this season ofmy life where it's normal to be having
churches all over the US thisis not normal to me.
In a previous season, I mean,I remember Julie literally yelling
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at me, but yelling at me,saying, you are gonna plant churches,
many churches.
Like, she had to literallyyell it to me.
Cause I didn't believe it.
And that story I just toldyou, I was drunk out of my mind and
I'm being really real.
This wasn't last weekend.
Everyone's like, this was like15 years ago.
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Like 15 years ago, almost 20years ago.
I'm drunk out of my mind.
I have no vision for this.
I lost.
The reason why I drank isbecause I was hopeless.
And I was like, if I'm notgonna kill myself instantly, I'll
do it progressively.
That's what addiction is.
And so I'm drunk out of mymind, can't see.
And it was because my pastorfell into sin.
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All the pastors around himfell into sin.
My dad died.
My whole world collapsedwithin two year span.
Everything that I had built mylife on all collapsed.
So I became so hopeless that Ijust embraced alcoholism.
But what I'm saying is, so Iwasn't this man of God anymore.
I was in my lowest of low,completely drunk out of my mind.
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And my wife's yelling at me,you are gonna plant many churches
that story.
The older we get, the crazierthat story is to me.
Cause it's the.
Who does that?
But I believe the Holy Spiritin Julie.
It was almost.
I'm getting a revelation on stage.
It was almost like Noahgetting drunk on the boat, where
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it's like, you are.
God did call you to get ourfamily to somewhere else.
And you're not going to keepgetting drunk on this boat.
And you are going to fulfillyour destiny.
And she covered my nakedness.
That's what happened.
She covered my nakedness.
It was like, my husband isdrunk out of his mind naked.
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But he's also Noah Devil.
He's also Noah.
And I feel like there'ssomething powerful and I'm trying
to get this to you.
Cause this is what I hate.
The biggest thing.
I'm just gonna.
I don't even care.
The reason why I gained like30 pounds in the last year is because
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I have never been lied aboutand lied on as much as I have in
the last year.
And it's crazy to me how muchChristians just fabricate lies.
And I wanted to fight formyself, defend myself.
And it literally made me thinkI was gonna break this year.
Like, I think I quit ministryin my mind like 50 times this year
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because I didn't realize howtoxic the world is.
I mean, it was levels ofdepravity that I didn't even think
were possible by peopleclaiming to be Christians on YouTube,
Facebook, Instagram, the local church.
And I did not realize howunhinged and crazy people could be.
So for this last year, I havebeen dealing with.
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I did not know that Christianslied on that level and still think
they're going to heaven.
And there's been a lot ofwarfare over who is the true Mike.
And I've wanted to defendmyself, being like, man, if you only
knew.
It's vindicating.
You know what I mean?
And I'm not trying to make itawkward right now, but the reason
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why it's important for me toeven say this stuff is because the
world sees, like, oh, Mikewants more campuses.
No, I wanted to die.
It's like, the truth of thestory is even crazier than what you
think is the truth.
It's not like I'm going aroundtriumphantly planting all these churches.
I was in the fetal position inour little apartment, completely
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wasted out of my mind.
And my wife is screaming atme, no, you're gonna plant many churches.
Like, this is not the destiny that.
Because in my flesh, I justwanted to die.
So I think that the reason whytruth is so important is because
what Julie was doing.
And I want you to go deeper onthis, babe, because you're not even
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really a prophet.
So, like, this story is crazy.
Like, I've been on stage withmy wife all around the world, and
50 million times I've said,did God give you a word?
And this is what she does.
Every time, the same thing.
Then she goes, no.
I said this morning I wasn'tgonna bust you out.
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He looked at me and said, do.
You have a word?
And I'm.
I always pause because I'mlike, hey, if God's gonna give me
one, I'll take it.
You see me close, you couldroll it back in the live stream.
I looked at him, I said, no,bro, I ain't got nothing.
But you do it like this.
She tries.
She tries.
I do.
I'm like.
And then she goes, no, no.
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And she goes back.
So no one sees her go, no,because I'm not a lid.
I love putting people intotheir gifting or whatever.
So my point is, this is whyI've said all that.
This is why I said all that.
I think the farther we get onthis journey, like, you're seeing
my highlights, but you're notseeing my low lights.
You're not seeing the cuttingroom floor.
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You're not seeing the.
You see the stage.
You need to see the backstage.
Cause it was crazy for someonewho's not a prophet to prophesy.
It was crazy for a drunk guyto receive a word about planting
multiple churches.
Everything that you'veexperienced in my life in this season
is a legit miracle.
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So it's like when some of youguys are like, oh, you don't know
my husband, bro.
You don't know who I used to be.
Your husband is double the manI used to be.
Are you kidding me?
The raw material of yourhusband is two times greater than
the raw material of me.
It's like Paul says.
I'm the chief among sinners.
Are you kidding me?
I used to kill Christians.
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You're telling me you can't dowhat God called you to do?
I was worse than your husband.
Some people are like, oh, Iwish I had Mike as my husband.
You better wish again.
Feel sorry for this woman, butyou don't know that version of me.
But her words.
Her words.
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She didn't say, you're drunk.
She said, you're a church planter.
A fool can say what they see,but the wise will prophesy what they
want to see.
This is why the.
This is the true.
You want the true story?
I was worse than what you saidabout me, but my future is better
than what you said, too.
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You feel that?
So this is why.
Come on.
Somebody in the back felt that.
Let me read you a verse.
Joshua, chapter 24 and 14 and 15.
Joshua, chapter 24, verses 14and 15.
Joshua is calling the peopleof God to renew their commitment
and covenant.
It's like, renew.
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It's their covenant with God.
And this parallels ourmarriage, our ministry, our calling.
There's intervals where wehave to renew our covenant now.
And that's what Julie wasdoing when I got drunk in that story.
I was basically trespassing onthat covenant.
And it was like Julie wascalling me into a point of renew.
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Renew the covenant.
So earlier in this service, Idid something very intentional to
make this sermon like anillustrated sermon.
When I said, hey, if V1 Churchis not your church, stop complaining
about it and just go findanother church.
Because we need to renew our covenant.
That's a biblical mandate.
But we also need to do this inour marriage.
Have you ever heard of a vow renewal?
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It's a very similar situation.
Like, the man that made myvows to her is not the man that's
sitting on this stage.
So I have to renew my vows inevery season of my life.
And so that you have to dothat with the church.
You might have come into V1.
Being like, this church isamazing, but over time, you're lacking
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covenant.
You become intoxicated like Iwas, and you need somebody to yell
at you and prophesy, this iswhere we're going.
Renew your covenant.
And so this is, I think,something, Julie, that me and you
have learned over the years isto renew our covenant.
So can you maybe speak aboutwhat it means, because I feel like
for you, you're good atrenewing that covenant.
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And I look at it like a baptism.
Like, let me ask you, theaudience, before I kick it back to
Jules.
When you go down into thewater, what is that a symbol of dying?
Death.
Right.
So when you're up here, it's commitment.
I'm committed to Christ.
But it doesn't become covenantuntil you go into the water and die
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to self, and then you joinwith his resurrection.
So death to self going intothat water, sharing in the death
is how you go from commitmentabove the water to.
To covenant below the water.
And then you come back up.
Is that a revelation?
Because why?
And let me ask you this.
Don't be offended.
I come from Sicilian Catholic family.
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But sprinkling is nowhere in Scripture.
Sprinkling is commitment.
Submersion is covenant.
That's only in the Bible doyou find full submersion.
Why?
Well, you're gonna.
Your.
Your whole wig, your makeup,everything's going in the water.
Your underwear, everything'sgoing in that water.
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It's nasty.
It's going to reveal you.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, there's something aboutfull submersion that is necessary
because you can't halfway covenant.
Does that make sense?
So some of you want tosprinkle your covenant to V1, sprinkle
your covenant to marriage.
Sprinkle your covenant.
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It's like, no, the word of Godis very clear.
It's all or nothing.
And I believe that that's what.
So can you speak maybe alittle bit about how you've been
able to go through seasons ofrenewal, which is like a re.
Baptism or resubmersion?
I mean, conflict will testyour covenant for sure.
Like, your wedding is a sprinkle.
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Your first crisis is the testof your covenant.
Come on.
I remember we went to, youknow, like, a baby baptism, and one
of the guys, you know howthey're, like, wheeling out the keg
into the.
I'm like, what are we doing here?
This is a church.
I'm so confused.
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But right before, you know,this was like, someone we loosely
knew and we were just going tosupport, and they said little Emily
just got her ticket to heaven.
And I'm like, who's going totell him?
You know?
And I think sometimes we haveour wedding, and we're like, that's
it.
We're in covenant.
It's like, no, you have nothit a crisis yet.
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Your crisis will test your covenant.
That's why in church life it'snot about when things are good, it's
about when things aren't good.
Where's.
Where's the test of your covenant?
What's the depth of it?
And some of you are covenantedto be right.
You made a covenant to be right.
You made a covenant to wearthe pants.
You made a covenant to have control.
You made a covenant to beintimate, but you didn't make a covenant
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to the person.
You didn't make a covenant tothe commitment, to the generational
commitment that it takes to,you know, you can't pray.
Blessings over your kids marriage.
If you have a toxic one,there's something you gotta line
it up right.
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So I wanna encourage you guys,like, when it comes to like that
recommitment.
I look at, you know, everyday, every day I'm recommitting my
salvation to the Lord.
I'm like, lord, I'm dying to myself.
The Bible says that we die daily.
And in our marriage covenant,we die daily.
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We have good days and we havebad days.
And I'm thankful that our baddays are much fewer and far between.
But there are days when I geton your nerves.
Yeah.
I was just thinking our baddays are your fault now.
Yeah.
Now that I'm sober, it's pretty.
Watch it.
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But you know what?
I know I'm annoying.
Yes.
I know.
I'm like, give me a hug, giveme a kiss.
Like, when are we gonna go out?
You know I'm very annoying.
I know that.
But I.
But like, we have to make acommitment daily.
This is not crisis to crisis.
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This is not decade to decade.
This is every day.
Are you willing to die to yourself?
To live for Jesus and to livefor your spouse?
Yeah.
I wanna talk about thecovenant that people make to imaginations.
Because sometimes you can havethis like, spouse in your mind, you
know, and we talked about this.
There's a lot of women that wetalk to that it's not even a sexual
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fantasy.
It's actually like this personin their mind that they're like,
this person treats me thisway, talks to me this way.
And it almost can be parallelto like a spiritual spouse where
people have this covenant orthis commitment to a fantasy, and
the real person they're withdoes not align with that fantasy.
So sometimes you have to breakup with a fantasy so that you can
covenant with the reality.
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And that's something for me.
Like, I used to have a fantasyof what you were gonna be like.
And I've had to be like, no.
Am I in love with the RealJulie, or the fantasy of what Julie
could be.
And you know, because it'slike, sometimes I'd be like, man,
I want us to have deep conversations.
And Julie's like, there's justsome times where, you know.
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Cause for me, if I go staringoff into the distance, I'm thinking,
like deep philosophical thoughts.
I've looked over at Julie andshe's like this.
And I'm like, babe, what areyou thinking about?
Tell me your heart.
And she was like, nothing.
And I'd be like, no, no,seriously, tell me.
I want to talk with you.
And she's just like, nothing.
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And she was like, do youremember those old televisions where
you would go on Channel oneand it would be like.
She's like, that's what's inmy brain right now.
I, I, I'm not seeing anything,hearing anything.
I'm, When I look.
So for me, looking into thedistance is like Rain Man 16, 24
or 32.
And it's just this and thisguy here.
And the Lord says this.
And then over here, this says,yes, let's, and when.
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And then Julie, we're bothlooking into the distance and Julie
springs going.
It'S beautiful.
And I'm so thankful it's thesame thing.
Because we lay down to go to sleep.
And I lay down and my brain goes.
And then Julie lays down.
She goes.
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And then you look over at meand it's two in the morning.
Hello, darkness, my oldfriend, you know, And I'm doing prayer
vigils.
Oh, Lord, please.
And all this stuff.
And the whole time throughevery watch of the night.
Like a week ago, he was in theliving room just sweating.
I mean, travailing, like, in prayer.
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He was like, how did you sleep?
I'm like, great.
I'm like, I'm literallygetting attacked by principalities
coming in my room.
Who are you?
Man of God.
Satan sent me.
And I'm like, battling it out.
And then all of a sudden,Julie's in the other room like this,
for, I kid you not, this room.
And I was like, devil, go fight.
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Julie's like, I ain't worriedabout her.
She ain't doing nothing.
She ain't high rank.
Yeah.
This is what you.
You think we're joking?
We are not joking.
And I know he's annoyed.
And I'm like, man, I ain'tgonna apologize.
I ain't slept good in a week.
I'm grateful.
But you know what it is in agood marriage, it's like, I need
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to learn how to turn it off.
And she needs to learn how toturn it on.
And we.
Because somewhere in themiddle is a saint that represents
our oneness, that knows whento pray and knows when to sleep.
Because she got the revelationof Jesus in the boat, and I've got
the revelation of Jesus in the garden.
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But they were both Jesus.
So it's like to her, if youdon't get in the garden, you know,
but then for me, if I don'tlearn how to fall asleep, I don't
make it to the garden.
This is revelation.
So the thing that you don'tlike about your spouse could be the
very thing that God's usingfor them to disciple you in.
Oh, I'm speaking to somebody.
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And I would not.
Don't be trying to make your spouse.
John Eckhart.
I was literally just gonna saythat really?
Like, what if your spousewanting to go to the jets game is
actually what your soul needs?
And what if you started goingthe jets game, he'll start going
to church.
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It's like, you know, becausethis is a relationship.
Like, what if.
What if the Lord's like, hey,you are a powerful intercessor, but
you're also kind of boring andyou need to be balanced.
I'm talking to myself, youknow, so if you got jets tickets.
But you see how, like, becauseit is both, like, the disciples were
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eating and drinking withChrist, and they got this reputation
of being gluttons anddrunkards and gluttons, because they're
traveling around, they're laughing.
But then also, Jesus said, besober and vigilant.
It's time to pray.
And it depended on what season.
There's a season of suffering,there's a season of celebration.
So I think a lot of timescouples are like, I wish my husband.
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And it's like, yes, but yourhusband will get there.
But what is he doing that hewishes you would do?
And why don't you guys startsowing and investing in each other?
Cause that helps.
And we've learned how to do that.
But just to kind of come to aclose, babe.
Because, by the way, if you'relike, man, I want more of this.
You know, this Friday at9:00pm Eastern Standard Time, we're
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gonna do the third installmentof our marriage, and we're gonna
keep going.
We got two more sessions, evenafter this one's over.
But just like baptism, justlike covenant renewal, the last thing
I wanted to talk about waswhat are some practical ways?
Because it's like, I feel likeI rep in our marriage.
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I represent the supernatural.
She Represents the superpractical, right?
I'm fasting, she's snacking.
That's literally.
I kid you not, that'sliterally how it is.
But listen, I fasted till 4pmthat sun was down.
I was like, I'm in.
I'm all in.
I thought we were.
Last week, I thought we weredoing a water only fast all week,
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a water only fast.
And all of a sudden it's like 4:15.
I'm like.
And I smell.
And I'm like, jules, did you eat?
She.
It was gloomy outside.
I said, the sun went down.
I said, you're doing a sun up.
The sundown.
I thought this was.
She's like, the sun went downearly today.
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Play that piano.
Come on now.
Come on, somebody.
But.
But this is real life becausewe're joking about it now.
I would actually.
The old me would have been madat her for real.
And I would have found out sheate, and I'd be like, what's wrong
with you?
You've never fasted more thana day like this.
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Blah, blah, blah.
It's like.
But now I go in the room andI'm like, did you eat?
You know, and we're laughingabout it because it's funny.
And I'll duke it out with theprincipality while she sleeps.
Because you know what?
I'm the man of the house andit's my job to be fighting the principalities
anyways.
You know what I mean?
She's the queen in the castle,and I'm Super Mario and I know what
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to do.
Come on.
I know what to do, girl.
But what if I told you thatGod could take you to a place of
covenant where you laugh aboutthe things you used to fight about?
It's all about perspective.
Because I stopped wantingJulie to be something she wasn't.
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And I broke the vow with an imagination.
And I started saying, God,what is it about her life I'm supposed
to learn?
And Julie's ministry to me is,learn how to turn your brain off,
Mike.
Because your greatest asset isyour greatest liability.
So there's.
There is a wisdom in it, and I can't.
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Every time we minister tocouples and we sit with them in,
you know, marriage counselingsessions, I'm telling you not every
time, but probably eight ornine out of ten times.
They're telling me the wholetime how we messed up, we're not
good for each other, thisisn't right.
And then two, three sessionsin, I'm laughing, I'm like, you guys
are perfect for each other.
You just don't know how, youdon't know how.
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So that's what this is.
This is us going back to that.
So I want to pray for you inthe next several moments.
But let me minister this last thing.
What was the first ministry,the first miracle that Jesus did
in ministry?
He turned water to wine.
Right?
And this is the wedding at Cana.
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So the very first, the veryfirst miracle that's recorded is
the water turning into wine.
And it was a wedding ceremony.
So let me give you therevelation of that.
Water always stays water.
Wine is wine after a process.
But when Jesus is in themidst, he can expedite that process
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and take the ordinary and makeit extraordinary.
So the thing is, when youbring Jesus into your marriage, he
can take a normal, everyday,just water and turn it into something
extraordinary.
So here's the thing.
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I am just water.
You're water.
Like we're just ordinary people.
And left to myself, you know,this is even a deeper revelation.
What happens to stagnant water?
What happens to stagnant water?
Yeah, stagnant water begins togrow, mold, mildew film and becomes
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poisonous.
But wine can sit in a jar forhundreds of years.
So what happened was you leaveMike Signorelli to myself.
I'm dead already.
I'm not even alive to tellthis sermon.
You leave Julie to herself andshe's riding a full four wheeler
and Rensselier and you know,living a hillbilly life.
You know, never preach to the nations.
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I'm not trying to sell her out.
She needs a little pushinginto her ministry.
You know, you need that, agood push because left to yourself,
you're not going to push yourself.
So it's like, but that'sstagnant water.
So I die and go to hell.
Julie goes to heaven without rewards.
That truly is, I believe whatwas written for us in the natural
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is Mike.
I believe in the natural, thatwas the destiny.
Mike goes to hell and Juliegoes to heaven without rewards.
And if you don't understandspiritual rewards, read the New Testament
this week.
So Julie goes to heavenwithout rewards and Mike goes to
hell.
That was what in the naturalwas written.
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Just like water doesn't everturn into wine, when Jesus comes
into the room, you can betransformed into something that you
could never make yourself intothat lasts and remains.
And I'm telling you, my lifeis wine.
I remember when we moved tothis region, Julie, that prophet
told you, he said, where'syour husband?
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I wasn't even in the room.
And our church was brand new.
I think we had 50 people inthis church.
And he said, the Lord's givenyour husband a key, and it's a key
in the shape of a wine glass.
And he's going to put that keyinto this region and turn that key.
And the wine of the Holy Ghostis going to flow from Long island
all the way to the nations,and it's going to be a wine of revival.
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And I believe it's arestoration of marriages, like Jesus
in the wedding ceremony of Canaan.
So I want to prophesy overyour marriage.
If you're with your spouseright now, grab their hand.
If you're not, it's okay.
But if they are, just grabtheir hand, because I want to pray
over your marriage.
If you're single, you need tobreak the fantasy with the spirit
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spouse.
Break the fantasy with thisthing in your head.
And, Julie, I'm going to askthat you pray.
And if the Lord gave you aword, you go ahead and give it, girl.
But we're gonna pray right nowbecause I believe that the Lord's
gonna turn water into winebecause he's a God of covenant.
And as you renew thatcovenant, even if your spouse isn't
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here, and you're gonna go homeand renew that covenant, I believe
that the Lord is gonna dosomething powerful.
A few months ago, during theBible study that we were doing online,
we talked about the wedding atCana, and one of the things, you
know, as we were studying theWord, is where exactly did the miracle
happen?
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Did it happen in the vats?
Did it happen in the cup?
Did it happen immediately?
Did it happen when he took a sip?
Did he happen while he waswalking with the cup?
We don't know.
But what I know is that it did happen.
Some of you, in your marriage,I don't know when the miracle is
going to happen for you.
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I don't know if it's.
You're gonna take a stepfirst, and God's gonna do a miracle.
I don't know if you're gonnatake 50 steps and God's gonna do
a miracle.
But what I know is that amiracle is on the way.
Lord, we thank you.
Come on.
For the miracle in marriage.
God, we thank you that thereare people that can't even utter
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the things that they faced out loud.
And, God, in five years,they're going to be laughing at dinner
about the things that theyovercame, that it ends in joy, it
ends in restoration, it endsin hope, it ends in renewal, it ends
in freedom.
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And, God, I thank you for themiracle that is on the way that we're
not gonna keep a scorecard ofthe time frame.
Lord, you forgot about me.
We're not going to shake ourfists at God.
We're going to be faithful tocarry the cup to the master.
Lord, you said you would do it.
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I don't know if it's happeningin this step or the next, but it
is going to happen.
And God, we thank you for whatis on the way in our marriages.
God, let it be today.
But if it isn't today, God, wewill be sure to stand on your word
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because you do not lie inJesus name.
Sa.
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