244. SUPERMAN Review & Box Office Opening!

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This episode, maybe that's the real punk rock.

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And, and you're listening to episode 244 of the Vigilante 99
podcast. We are giving our full spoiler
review and thoughts on James Gunn Superman and we are
discussing whether the opening weekend box office justified the
hype. As always, the best way to
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whatever you want to call it at Vigilante 1939.
I am 1/3 of the three headed Co host monster here.
Nick Zennigan, of course, joining me each and every week
is Nick Junior, and they'll be churning.
Returning from his trip to the sun, I guess we'll say, is Nika

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Caruso, Yes. And Jack?
Returning from Great Lakes. Of North Carolina.
Shawna, yes, I just got back from North Carolina.
I had a lovely trip. Thank you all for your lovely
words and kind words about it. I want, well, why?
No, no, no, I'm OK. So I was kind of off the grid,

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so I missed all this. So I wanted to give a big thank
you to Carlos, who did an incredible job stepping in and
I'm glad he had the opportunity,him and his daughter to see it
early. They're big Superman fan, so if
anyone deserves to go, it's them, you know, and I and I, it
was cool that he ended up being able to do the show with you all

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so that it really was a three headed dragon.
I'm some really, really strong DC fan, so that was cool.
Yeah. And no, it was.
It was a fun time. It was a really, really fun
time. Did you record that on Monday
night or Tuesday night? No, we we did Tuesday.
So you had seen it twice then? Yep, Yeah, yeah.

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Me and dad did it after the Prime screening so.
Did he see it? Twice, too.
Did he see it Tuesday as well? No, he was just.
Going on the one, Yeah, he was going on the one.
You freaking guy saw it two or three times before me.
That's crazy. I know, I know.
I don't know. That's never happened, right?
Where like one of where? There's one.
Of us, he just hasn't seen it. Usually, usually it'll be like

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one of us. He's a yeah, yeah, my.
God. So I guess before we get into my
thoughts on Superman, there's riveting DC news.
There's riveting DC news that wemissed that like everyone was
asking for. Every single person was asking

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for what I'm about to read coming off as Superman.
That got us all excited for DC. According to Nexus Point News
rumor, the film Clayface will feature mostly, and I quote,
original characters. No prominent DC characters are

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set to appear. It will be focused on a
character driven horror narrative.
What lovely news to read coming out of the most DC movie I've
ever seen, coming out of the most pure DC comic book movie to
ever exist. Ripped from pages, I am then
told the Clear Face movie will have none of that.

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None of that joy or splendor. How do you think David Zazzle
feels about? That my dad did not know about
this I. Could do this I.
Kind of want to go to him first.There you go.
I mean, why are we starting on that downer like that?
That's a boner jam. Like let's like.
Because the rest of the show is going to be high.
Yeah, like I told you before, like I give a crap about the

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Clayface movie. I don't really care, and I don't
think it's going to. It's going to have nothing to
do. Dad's really coming to.
The universe, I don't I don't know, it's an Elseworks tale.
Like who cares? I at this point, that's not my,
that's not what I'm looking for.Those that are looking for it,
that's great, but we just came out of something that is so full
of promise in in my eyes are just wide awake and focused on

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just enjoying what we have now and then realizing that there's
so much opportunity in front of us.
Clayface is like a, it just I can't.
I have nothing to say about that.
Yeah, Zeddy. No, no, I mean, I hope it's not
true because that's a real like that really doesn't damper my

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excitement nor increase my enthusiasm anymore.
And I love clay faces the villain.
But if you're thinking of like this is going to have some kind
of Joker ask like renaissance, because I just don't think it's
going to be that. I mean, I didn't think the movie
was that great of an idea already.
But if it's going to go like this kind of narrative, then I
think the bar needs to be lowered exponentially.

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But I don't know. Maybe I'm long, who knows?
Maybe it'll turn it. But that, that being like
sounding like Joker doesn't giveme that much promise.
To be honest. I don't know.
You know, I It also said it was supposed to be part of the
Reeves epic crime saga first. Yeah, so why would there be

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original characters? Like, but also like now it is
fantastical Clayface. It is like a body horror.
Like Matt Reeves wasn't going todo that, was he?
No, it was probably that other version, the one that's like
Hush or whatever. Yeah.
So that's all I wanted to say. We talk about Superman now.
So now you both have seen it three times and I've seen it

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once. I'm going to go again, hopefully
very soon. Zaddy will talk.
And so you both have given your opinion already.
I'll open with mine and then we'll go spoil free like I I I
won't be free. You mean spoiler?
Or sorry, spoiler. Yeah, at this point, everybody's
seen the movie. But I won't take too much time

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on mine because I'd rather get into specifics.
I had a really good time with this movie.
I had a really good time with that.
And it age, it has aged well by the minute.
By the moment I went in, I was able to avoid all the noise
because I went off. I, I went mostly off the grid.
I would still check in. I would like a few things, but

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not like putting thoughts, like engaging with people because all
week, I won't lie to you, I was on a beautiful vacation, very
lucky. I did have a little bit of FOMO
about this. I did, I did and it kind of
lingered all the way till I got home.
But I think that's normal. I think two things can exist at
once. But so you both had were very
positive about it Monday night, which was exciting couple people

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not so much that I talked to as well.
And then I started seeing the reviews come out and I started
sensing what the vibe was and that allowed me to kind of go
into this kind of free of any like huge expectation or huge
disappointment. And I was very pleased.
I was very whelmed. I'll say I wasn't really
overwhelmed, but we'll, we'll, we'll talk about why later.

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I think a repeat viewing will help.
It seems to be a thing for a lotof you, but the my biggest
compliment is this is the most DC movie that exists.
I mean, it really does like the way he constructed this world
that opening it. It's one of the coolest openings
in a comic book movie ever. Already the 300 years ago, the
30 years ago here he's got sent earth three years ago and then

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all the way to 3 seconds ago. I thought was awesome.
But there's a lot he like it says gods and monsters like
that's so like comic book. It's so like it.
It was like, that's how like a that's how like an epic comic
series starts, right is with something like that at the
beginning. And I'm like, wow, it felt like,
oh, this is film by Graham Morrison, You know, like, wow,

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I'm actually watching the movie version.
And then the movie ends up playing like a comic book very
well in terms of it's it's very choppy, but I also kind of like
that. It kind of makes the movie
charming in a way. But man, I had a great time with
it. It's a pure DC movie and David
Cornswat is the best comic book casting since I think Downie and
Evans. And then that's sounds like I
praise. But if you think about it, like

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this is Superman. So the character already, if
you're nailing that, I'm I'm sorry.
Yeah, I'm gonna like it better than even like Elizabeth Olsen.
She's a great Wanda. But like like this is Superman.
So like, it's impressive that David Corn Sweat immediately did
this for me with a character I was not interested in a lot

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growing up with outside of the like Justice League comics and
the cartoons films. I want to see him in everything.
I hope he cameos in every singleproject.
I hope he's in Clayface. I hope he's like, Gee oh man,
some people have it worse than. Me Day, day one, day one viewing
in the events Courtney. I hope it turns out he he's a

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fan of the actor who was Clayface.
Your, your volume's a little low.
I, I, I'm hearing you just a little low.
Can you turn it up? Oh, sure, sure.
Thank. You.
You couldn't tell me that earlier, but yeah, so, you know,
so no. So.
So here's what we'll do. Zeddy, you talk a little bit

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about. So that's my first viewing,
right? Oh, man, I changed my camera
too. That's so funny.
So that was my first viewing of it.
And so before we get into any oflike the spoiler stuff, because
I think that's really where we talk about criticisms, I want
you both to talk about your second, third time with it all.

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And then I think that'll be a nice way to show what your
guys's lenses are like versus mine.
And a lot of people listening tothis might have seen it once or
more than once. And I think that'll be a fun way
to either motivate you to go again or something like that.
So is that a year, second or third times?
How did it hit? Did it get better?
Did it stay the same? Did it get worse?
Yeah, no, I agree with the with the assumption that this is a

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movie that probably ages better upon subsequent viewings just
because the first first viewing,especially with a movie like
this, you're just so focused on whether or not it's a movie
that's delivering as opposed to you focusing on what you're
actually seeing. Because I found myself there
were nitpicks and gripes that I had upon my first viewing and

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then every upon my second and third viewing, they start to
become less prevalent for me. Like I still had them, but they
didn't boggle the movie down thesame way I might have been on
the first one. So the movie was interesting
because again, I was really excited for this movie and I
walked out incredibly happy. And this was a movie where I

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needed people to ask themselves,it needs to check the right
boxes. This is a movie where you need
to ask yourself, like, does it check the boxes that it needs to
check? Is it a fun movie?
Yes, it is. Is it entertaining?
Yes, I would very much say so. Does the movie?
Is the movie? Does it do what a Superman movie
should do mean it? Does it make you feel good

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inside? Do did you feel happy walking
out of the movie? Those are the two qualities that
you should always feel when you walk out of a Superman movie,
right? Did you get a little bit of
emotional? Yes.
Those are like the core aspects that you need to that you need
to ask yourself when you're coming out of this movie.
Outside of the fact that if everything you needed to do, I
still think that this movie really needed to win so many

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people over and not just DC fans.
I mean, you look at I said it right before we saw the movie,
you know, this was the first comic true comic bookie Superman
movie that we were getting in this modern comic book movie
realm. You know, look at all the comic
characters that we've had, all the MCU characters, all the DC
characters, and you look at how has Superman been portrayed in

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this modern setting? And you have the the injustice
take. You have them always on the more
darker side, right? I mean, like, this was such a
movie that like I went into it and I was like, how are people
going to react to him being the way that he was mostly being
this more Silver Age light hearted comic book Superman?
So to me, I loved it. I mean, the movie is filled with

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hope. It's optimistic, there's wonder,
it's whimsical, You got romance with Lois Lane, you have other
DC characters involved here. It sets up so much to come in
this movie. Like Nico said, it ultimately
does feel like the most DC movieI think we've had.
I mean, people can RIP it that when people say it's a comic
book plot to life, well, you know what it is?

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It's a it's a glorified live action episode of Superman, the
animated series. And it feels like Justice League
Unlimited. And that to me is what James
Gunn was going for. And I feel like he succeeded in
that, in that regard. And David Corns.
But like Nico said, man, I mean,if this is the guy that's going
to be leading DC for the next decade plus, then I can just sit

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back and relax because I need this guy in Rachel Bosnahan in
like 10 DC movies to come because they are absolutely
incredible. They are like walking dynamite
in this movie. So I love this movie more by the
minute. Do I have some gripes and nip
pics? Yeah, I do.
Is it perfect? No.
But very few movies are, and it never need, it never needed to

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be perfect in my home opinion. So that's where I'm at.
And I don't know why Niko's beensmirking for the past five
minutes. No, no, no, man, it's just good
stuff. I'm happy to see you happy.
Man. No, I'm.
This is the first. Time I'm hearing you talk about
it. Are you happy?
For me. This is the first time I'm
hearing you talk about I'm smiling, smiling at you.

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I did think of something towardsthe end of it, though.
That, that, that I'll, that I'llsay for now.
Like, like, like Rachel Brosnahan was like, really,
really good. She was, she was.
Oh, yeah. But like I don't need to see her
and everything. She oh, I, I.
I don't know her. If it's like that, good.

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You know, no, no, I need to, I need to see her in.
Like new Justice League movies, I don't.
Know if I need a daily planet spin off I need to see her in
like, you know, I need to see her in the wave in the bold.
I need her like like I need her like disciplined Damien, come on
now. I need her like Oh yeah.
Well. All that sounds probably great.
I just think, Oh yeah. I think he's the key.

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He's the key. And well, no, I'm saying like
they are good together, but like, I think he's like better.
I think he's like the best, I mean.
Movie. Yeah, he's, I think it's like
the, yeah, I'm, I'm inspired by this guy's performance.
It felt like a it it, it kind offelt like I kind of felt about

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him the, the way I felt like at the height of Chris Evans,
Captain America, where I'm like,yeah, you're pretty perfect at
this, you know what I mean? And I, and I don't know how
people feel about Evans, but I think a lot of people think he
was a pretty great cap, right? Oh yeah.
Like I think he was great and solike David gave me that his his
like first movie. Well, if he's Cat, but she's

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Peggy, man. We're in a great spot.
We're in a great spot. Well, that means they're going
to keep shoving her down our throats, actually.
Yes, yes, man. There's too much Peggy coming,
do. You do you like money?
Do you like money? Come on now.
There you go. Her show got cancelled so I
don't know. Five seasons, Who cares?
That's true. Come on.
What? Is it didn't.

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Have like. The five seasons, 5 consecutive
paychecks. What do you mean?
What? Is.
This true? I'm lucky I'm lucky I'm not.
Get to work for five. Years.
What is that's funny if I have ajob for five years?
How many seasons didn't have didn't?
Have Is he right? Yes.

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What do you think? That show had like one season.
No, no, no, to, to to be. Fair it it had two seasons.
What? It is 18 episodes though.
No, dude, you said 5. Come on.
Yeah, you said that. You said you're thinking of. 8
The Marvel's minions. Males did not have two seasons,
they had five. Oh, wait, wait, wait.

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You're talking about Rachel Brosnahan.
Oh, you thought I was talking about the agent, Cardiff.
Oh, nobody watched. That, yeah, I thought.
You were talking. About Haley.
Allen Nobody. Nobody.
Remembers that. So funny.
I was like, there's no way. Oh, I said she didn't win an
Emmy. Peggy Carter didn't win an Emmy.
Like there's no way hell would have.
Frozen over, never mind Hell is.Now I get what you mean though.

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Now. Now I get you.
You mean? Never mind.
Wow, that's funny. All right.
Man, get us. Back on, track your your
thoughts on the 2nd and 3rd subsequent viewings.
I mean, I, I have to echo what Zeddi says.
We saw it at the screening and Iwas, I didn't allow myself to

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just watch it and enjoy it. I was trying too much to figure
out the frenetic pace of it. Some of the things in the third
act didn't hit. And when we went back and we saw
the the regular Amazon screening, it was just it.
It wasn't a different movie. It was the same movie, but I was
just like, I allowed myself to just sit back and enjoy it.

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And it's like you said, it's it's I, I guess I would say that
Zack Snyder's Justice League in this are probably the two most
DC movies I've seen only becauseZack Snyder's Justice League
kind of comes, does the 180 withBatman and, and it, it kind of
puts all those heroes in a, in alight.

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It ends in a great way like that.
It gives you a powerful feeling.You wanted it, you wanted more
of it. You wanted they were all in the
right place at the end of Zack Snyder's Justice League, all of
those heroes. And but this is, this is as much
or if not more a, a, a maybe better, more authentic DC

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version, if you will, DC thing. He's an incorruptible Superman.
I, I, I think it's unbelievable.I, I've been told for years that
that's really what Superman is. I don't ever believe that, that
this Superman could be corruptedor taking over.
And I hope, and I don't think they'll ever do it because we've
got that shoved down our throat in the Snyder era on the TV

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shows everywhere. It's it's he's terrific.
And the guy continues to be a it's great of a role that he
played. He's a great spokesman on all
the interviews, everything I've seen him on.
He's the guy that you want leading the marketing campaign.
And more importantly, he has theQui Gon take.

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Yes. He earned my respect so hard
today, man. I was, I was that that meant
something to me. That meant something.
I, I got to retweet that and be like it.
It, it means something to me. That's how you know he's the
right guy. This is just how you know he's
the right guy. Like yes, he has the films in
the right order. There you go.

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I just can't. That was badass, too.
I had never thought about that order, how after Empire, if you
treat it like an epic televisionseries, that means after Empire,
you you get the Vader flashback episodes, and that makes Return
of the Jedi hit like a ton of bricks, you know?

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Yeah, that's how you know he's the guy.
Dad can tell you. Well, listen, I think we should
break into the spoiler part because.
Again. Am I any louder now, by the way?
Yes. I think a little bit, yeah, a
little bit, yeah. That's.
Weird it. It felt like you're you're,
you're OK. Louder now.
I think you're good now. Yeah.

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It just felt like it was going to low a little bit.
When you talk, it's kind of weird.
But the people just want to be able to hear you.
My fine. I gotta hear you.
Yeah. You know.
Yeah. You want want to hear you, you
deliciously. Let's let's break it to the
spoilers. Everybody knows I like the
movie. Let's start.
Let's start that. Wait now do I sound different?
It's better now, yeah. There we go.
Now you're cooking. Now my boys got the aura.

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Am I still cooking? Yeah, you're still cooking.
Yeah. All right, cool.
All right. Keep going.
I say we break into the let let's just get into it because
there's no OK, I love the movie.Let's start talking about, you
know, we're not going to go scene for scene.
We never do that, but. So let me set.
It up like. This.
So let me set it up like this and then like the the positives

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will be sprinkled in. The first thing I thought of
after this movie ended though. So like for me, the movie, I'll,
I'll put it in perspective for people, I'll give it a number.
I think this is like on its bestday, it's an 8 out of 10.
And I don't know if a rewatch will move that for me.

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And an 8 out of 10 is great. I think we live in an age where
like an 8 out of 10 now it feelslike a movie's mid.
No, no, no, like that's pretty great.
This is an awesome DC movie. But for me, and I am someone who
maybe cares a little bit more, maybe I'm a little bit
pretentious, etcetera, but like this movie is very choppy.
Like the pacing is too fast. I think it's too fast.

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And I think a lot of people havethe take that like, you need to
see it again and I'm more into you need to see it again because
everything hits better instead of you need to see it again so
that it works. You know what I mean?

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It's like the only reason it works on a rewatch is because
you know everything that's coming.
So there's nothing like if you've already lived with some
of the moments and getting to relive them is more emotional.
This movie, if it's 15 minutes longer, it's it's an all timer.
If they build his parents, the justice gang, the political

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thing, give him and Lois a couple more scenes.
I'm telling you it's like a perfect comic book movie.
It was so rich. I don't know why they chopped
it. I thought the days of the week
would have been fun. Actually, it will it would have
been it it, it would have made the edits cleaner.
So like I could tell you all 7 scenes when it was when it was a
new day and if they didn't put in like it and like establishing

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shot like him, him landing, he goes to turn himself in.
People react to Superman turninghimself in and then he's in the
cuffs and walking it at the moment would have felt stronger,
you know, I mean, or if it just clicked the Thursday, it's like
a funny thing. Oh, that's how he starts
Thursday. He's already in in the cuffs.
So there could have been a comedic way to play it too.
I don't know. So it was very choppy for me.

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And then there's a lot of thingsthat introduces that are like, I
like that he kind of throws together this world on the fly,
meaning he'll he'll introduce something and it's basically
like, you know what this is, deal with it.
Or here's something important, deal with it.
Look it up later. And it's kind of like really
aggressively doing that, which Ithink is kind of cool if you're
a nerd. But I think if if not, it could

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be like, what are all these things?
And by the end of the movie, really the only plot threat is
that Superman is really good. Like there's not a lot that
moves in the world or the story of this DC universe, like James
Gunn originally said. One of the other first things I
thought of as this movie is about hope in a senile world.

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And he described as these heroesdoing things like a different
way. We only really see the the
Justice Gang kill the Kaiju. And it's kind of played off as
Superman being like, guys don't do that instead of like a guys
don't do that. It's wrong.
And they never have a moment dealing with that again.

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They just help him at the end. The next time you see them,
they're just like, yeah, we don't want to help him because
like, and then they all help him.
And it's like, so James, this whole thematic concept of the
world being senile, it's it's not present for me in the movie
at all. It's just like Lex is the the
bad guy, you know what I mean? So like there are things

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narratively that don't really like add up that well, but then
the highs are so high. It is like you don't care.
So like that's why I do think a rewatch will play well, but as
like a as as a story driven movie as a story.
This is his weakest comic book movie from a narrative
perspective. I think it's his weakest one

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because all four of those other ones have such a through line of
story and emotion and like characters all working in
unison. There's so many characters in
here who are just there to be there.
Like Jimmy and Lois are the onlyones who who need to be on the
ship at the end. You know what I mean?
Justice King need a little bit more time.
They kind of introduced Jor El Quick and then like you find out

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the conflict like 30 minutes in and it's like, oh, you just like
never like see Brad like like there's nothing more, you know,
just a little. Bit.
Of like just him and Clark. Yeah, you know, like a scene of
him earlier saying or. Just him alone.
And him like him, him watching the footage and being like, I'm
still doing it, dad. Like it like, like, like, like

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make it more emotional. You know, it was just there's a
hidden part of his message, but he doesn't care.
And then they learn the message and it's like, Oh my gosh, I'm
not what I thought I was. Like I it it you, you have.
So I don't know why they kind ofrushed through this movie, but
the more you sit with some of it, the the more I want it.
But I also consider that a compliment.

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I could have watched the three hour version of this.
I was having such a good time. I I just think when I took a
step back and really wanted to criticize it as a, as a movie,
there are some cons there and that's why I can't go much
higher than an 8. But there's so much around in
spite of that that really, really works, you know?
So how do you guys feel about the choppiness?
It it obviously got better for the both of you.

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You've told me that. So tell me how?
Why? Let me, I'll go first.
I, I, I, I didn't mind it at allbecause the purpose of this
movie, OK, was to introduce a new version, an altruistic

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version of Superman to a generalaudience, which I quite frankly
didn't think he could do. And despite all the choppiness
of the scenes, the frenetic basing, it all just worked for
me, man. Certainly I walk out of there
and I'm questioning a lot of different things and wanted

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more. But he did what I did not think
was possible. He gave a guy like me who's not
really a Superman fan, right? I'm not a die hard, but he made
me. Not that I'm going to run out
and buy Superman comics. It didn't do that for me.
Not that I'm going to run back and watch the animated show.

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I'm not going to do that. But what he did is he got
somebody like me fully invested into this version, this actor,
this Metropolis, this universe that he created, that I was able
to not kind of bog myself down with everything that you just so
eloquently said from a critics perspective, which I was doing a

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little bit like you the first time.
But I became so immersed in the emotion of it.
Just that, just David's personality of this, like, I
hate to repeat myself, but this incorruptible Superman, this guy
that's just looking to do good no matter what, that I just
forgave all that and said, you know what?

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This guy did it in two hours. Now, there must have been a
mandate from the studio because.Oh, they've never done those
before. Right, I've said this to you
before. 2 hours, Guardians, one Guardians 2215 Guardians 32
hours and 30 minutes, Suicide Squad 216.

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I wish they would have done that.
Nick, I do agree with. I I.
Definitely need to go longer. Would have been better with
everything you said, but it didn't matter to me and I think
it only mattered to the people that are overly critical like
you guys. You guys are film critics and

(29:08):
you're looking at stuff. I'm not sure though.
I will agree though that maybe the general audience, there
could have been a portion of it that was confused.
I've seen a lot of people too that don't like the fact that
they thought he was getting his ass kicked in the whole movie.
To me, I like the more vulnerable Superman.
I really dug that. I like the Superman that can get

(29:29):
hurt. Not just cause Kryptonite's
there, but he could take a couple blows from something and
get a little bit hurt. I love that because the idea
that he's all omnipotent and so powerful is freaking boring.
Right. And so I, I overlooked all that.
I was overwhelmed by the performance.

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I also particularly really likedthe universe that he created.
I really dug the Justice gang. I didn't think I was going to on
the commercials. I thought it looked silly.
But I, I thoroughly enjoyed Guy Gardner.
I. Thought.
Oh, just played a great and Mr. Terrific was fantastic.

(30:14):
All girl at her moment, she was underused.
Metamorpha was great. I would agree with you.
The Daily Planet people were underused.
There was a lot of stuff. Nick, you're absolutely right
that they just kind of came together and they're cheering
and doing all that stuff. But at the end of the day, my
focus was entirely on what this movie was supposed to do.

(30:35):
And this movie was supposed to give us the Superman going
forward, and it was supposed to establish a universe which is
very, very underutilized. We still don't know what's going
to happen, but I believe like, it's all there in front of us.
And I'm very optimistic of what's going forward.

(30:55):
Now we will talk a little bit because you need to, you need to
take advantage of this a little bit now.
Yeah. You do on your hands and what
you told me to start this podcast about Play Face has
nothing to do with this movie. This movie now should lay.
There should be some announcements coming.
But before we do that and get off the movie, we're going to

(31:16):
throw it to Zetty. He's got to discuss.
I know the choppiness didn't bother Zeddy at all, but tell us
why it didn't bother you. Zeddy, please.
No, I mean the choppiness didn'tbother me as but it definitely
bothered me to an extent in terms like there can be a pro
and a con to the same thing. There's a pro and a con to this
idea that it's not a full originstory, it's a well established

(31:39):
universe. In terms he's just he's throwing
you into the DCU. In terms like it's just another
day in the life of Superman, Like there's no point of
beginning, you know, beginning or beginning for this movie.
Like he's been Superman for a few years, which can leave a
point of exposition in this entire movie.
You know, I don't think everything that he completely

(32:02):
lays down is 100% forthright, meaning that like the political
stuff I still maybe could have done without because I still
think it's a little chew on the nose.
And that's definitely a part of the movie where you can tell he
tried to cut as much out of it, but he still wanted to leave
enough in there because it served the Lex narrative of it

(32:23):
all. But you can definitely tell that
was the part of the movie that Idon't think probably tested that
great. Just based on what?
I I didn't, I was thinking that.I just thought of like the the
person's a little creepy and canmaybe remind you of a certain
individual. I didn't think about it too

(32:44):
much. But I.
Thought about it a little bit that first night, Dad, I was
telling you. But you saying that's where
maybe they chopped a lot? I am thinking back now.
Yeah, I think there's a lot of contact.
Just cause like the the whole like how it wraps up very fast,
like Lois all of a sudden reallydoes figure it out.
And then it's very much like, you know, like they introduce

(33:07):
it, then it's like gone for the second act.
And then it's like the third actclimax is.
Like yeah, he comes back way later.
And he goes. Back in.
There and you're like oh like that conflict is happening still
right. That's a good point.
Yeah, that's. A good.
Point. But there are the juggling of a
lot of characters is James Gunn's things like that didn't
bother me that there's characters that are using maybe

(33:29):
not to be the extent of their full potential, but the flipped
origin thing with his parents I didn't mind just because the
payoff of that is actually quitebeautiful.
Granted, there's a lot of exposition in that reveal in
that twist. Because I've seen a lot of
theories that maybe that's Brainiac for something down the
line. Because they really beat it over
the head that he's heard only half the message and then he

(33:52):
they bring it up like 3 different times that it's like,
oh, I've only heard half. And they play with said yeah,
that it could be, you know, all shit and things like that.
So that's fine because I think it's it, it's paid off.
You know what? It's funny, you made me think of
that too. They do keep telling you he
doesn't know the half. Of exactly so when?
It happens. Yeah.
Oh my God, that's the. Other half of.

(34:13):
It yeah, you know what I so you know it's like Oh no, that.
Must mean it's bad. Like like go go.
Along with it like like just be along with a vibe he.
He does kind of beat you over the head with yeah.
Engineer I didn't like. They also say it's real.
Sorry, wait. They also keep saying it's real.
They're like. Yeah, they make it and like it

(34:35):
wasn't. It wasn't like, oh, trust me, I
know it's real. And then Lex is like, oh, no,
it's real. And I'm like, oh, guys, it's
real. Yeah.
James doesn't want us to be ambiguous.
OK, something's going to come out in like the sequel or the
third that that wasn't never thecase.
Like something was. James doesn't want us to just
speculate. That was because that was very

(34:56):
intentionally said multiple times.
I didn't care for the engineer, to be honest with you.
I mean, maybe that's a characterthat has potential down the
line, but I just thought the character itself really didn't
do anything for me. Like, you know, like there's a
there's a light in the movie where like she's talking to Lex
and Lex is saying like how much he hates Superman and she's

(35:18):
like, oh, I know I sacrifice my humanity because of it.
And I'm like, so that's the partreally.
It's the poem the con of being an in a universe where Mike cool
powers, but I don't know if it'sa character that really moves
the needle for me yet, but. That's what I'm saying though,
like that line, see, like it's too quick.
Like all all, all you need to see is 1 scene, quick flashback

(35:42):
scene of like Luther, like, likeoperating on her.
Yeah, you know what I mean? She's like, I don't have my
body. Yeah.
It's like, yeah. Oh, how you're going to make me
care about a concept that I didn't know, right.
That you didn't, you know, give me something to last.
Not the nothing on the actress. Just I just Oh yeah.
Oh, this character is now a technically a robot and that is

(36:03):
why it is sad if she fails. But here.
Thank you, James. Right, but, but.
They could have gave you some context that something in the
past that Superman did. Right.
Affected her in a bad way. Yeah, yeah.
Like maybe, yeah, I hate to use like Avengers, but maybe there
was a casualty or something I. Don't know I'm telling you.

(36:26):
Kind. Of like just kind of go over.
Narrative right, because you're right, like she says, I
sacrificed you. You did.
Why? Just because you believe in Lex
or so listen, you know, again, you know look, there's a lot of
things this this story, the strength of the of the movie
isn't necessarily the story, right?

(36:48):
It's not really the story. But it also is, and to an extent
too. Well, the story of him is is is
how they get to kind of at the end with Luther and everything
like that. It it's good.
It makes sense. But there is a lot of you guys
are right there. There is a lot of things that
are either there's a lot of exposition to hit you over the
head with it why something is the way it is or there's not.

(37:11):
And there is some of that off screen stuff that you have to
believe in. But again, this was a very
challenging thing that this guy had to do.
No, I know. And I believe that he succeeds
about as good as he could. Could he have done a little
better? Yeah.
But I think it I think it's justgood enough.
I don't think it's a great movie.
I've never said that I, I don't think it's a great movie, but

(37:33):
it's a fun movie and it's a great start to the universe.
And I think that if things do progress nicely here, we'll
always look back on this movie as the beginning point.
You know, I've always said Iron Man.
I think Iron Man is, is, is a really good movie.
And I, I don't like the third act of Iron Man, but parts of
Iron Man are great. I don't think the whole Iron Man

(37:54):
movie is great, but it launched it launched one of the greatest
cinematic brands ever, right? I don't know that this is going
to do that to this level, but it's certainly the beginning
point, you know. But again, I think, like I said,
I think I think the the performances were terrific.
I think the use of the dog, I think Crypto was I think he was

(38:19):
used a lot. And I mean, I think that he
really I was surprised that he saved Superman a lot.
Like I'm, I'm wondering a coupletimes if he's not there.
Yeah. Does does Superman get out of
some of those things? Which is a little weird.
I actually thought about that more the third time we saw it.
But again, it it's also very charming and it's also really

(38:39):
good. I thought the movie looked
pretty good. I thought the CGI was OK.
I didn't think it was too wonky.I'm also not one of these guys
like that complaints about that a lot.
I mean, I did think Ant Man, thethird one we saw suck.
I do think there have been some that are just really, really
bad. This is not it.
The score was beautiful. I thought the score was

(39:01):
beautiful. Rachel was great.
Like I said, everybody that the the the important things of this
movie, that the people that weresupposed to shine through.
I believe they succeeded in that.
So I, I firmly believe that again that this was this was a
hard task here and you know, youguys want to talk more about the

(39:26):
movie or we can bounce into a little bit out the box office
because again, I. Think.
I think it's a nice start. I don't really know what else,
because you know, we're not likeI'm not considered save my
favorite scenes and all that. You know, the movie there was a
lot of great stuff. I thought the I thought universe
was great. I thought some of that stuff was
great, but maybe we go under that and then we.

(39:47):
Well, I mean I I still think that the real strength of this
movie with me and then I'll passit on to Nico is and James Gunn
always finds a way to do this for me, which is a strange that
I always give him as a director is he always finds a way to hone
it home beautifully, meaning it like this.
The he has a very strong concepton parenting that really does
resonate. And I think it's in a beautiful

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way in terms of like he's led tobelieve that his parents taught
him that he was here to serve humanity and be a good person
from his biological parents. And then the choices that it
turns out he was sent here to toconquer and rule with authority
if needed. And then.
What's beautiful about is that it didn't matter in the end
because he he was raised by a family that instilled the values

(40:31):
in him to be a good person, to do the right thing.
And that's why he became Superman.
So in the end, if you're going to make A twist on an origin,
that's to me, that's how you do it.
So was it a little jarring? And it might it be odd for some
people that that's the route that they want it?
Grant it's nothing new. Like it's been done in
Smallville. It's been done in cartoons.
Like this idea that his parents sets him here to do bad things.

(40:54):
It's not new. It's not original.
So get that out of your head that it's something that James
Gunn did because he wanted to doa James Gunn thing.
It's beautiful. Like the way that that movie
ends, I'm telling you. Like, it leaves you what what a
very good warm, warm feeling. I think the same way.
Great song too. Guardians.
Wonder Man. Oh.
He always has been the last timeall week.

(41:14):
Together. Oh, yeah, yeah.
So that that to me is the strength of the old is that the
story is simple, but there's a complexity to the simpleness of
the story that James is telling.And like Nico said, like you
said to Mr. if this movie is even 1015 minutes longer, it's
there's more things that you canfully thread together that can

(41:36):
make it a more, I think, beautiful package, I think.
Here, here's what I'll say aboutthe movie because I I kind of
want to see as positive because I feel like it went negative.
But to me, the way I was thinking about it today, the way
I'll describe it is it's a, it'sa pretty good vibes movie.

(41:57):
Like it kind of is just, it's kind of like in, in, in comics,
things happen quickly. It's really just felt like 7
issues. And it was gone.
Yeah, so like every time what what why?
I'm saying it's a good vibes movie is like anytime I was
feeling some of these things because I did feel the
choppiness when I was watching it, like like a scene would end

(42:20):
and I would be like, we're moving too fast.
But every time I did a vibe check, the vibe was great.
Like every time I thought that something would happen that
brought me right out of it. And a big part of that was these
cool DC characters. Like guys like Mr. Terrific is

(42:42):
awesome. Oh yeah, that guy's awesome.
And I like if someone I'm, I'm, I'm reading a lot of Geoff
Sean's Green Lantern. I was getting really connected
to the character of Guy Gardner.I was worried about Nathan
Fillion. I think he's great.
I actually think he's so good. They got a ditch the bowl cut.
I think they got to give him cooler hair because I he's going

(43:02):
to be cooler. He's going to be better.
Like he'll have a pretty cool progression.
I feel like James good with character like that.
I like the engineer. I thought the performance was
fine, but I thought just like the skill set and the action
with her was really cool. That like nanotech thing though.
The way they try to suffocate the fighting and stuff, that was

(43:23):
all pretty creative. Everything was pretty
innovative. Pocket Universe is beautiful.
I thought Metamorpho was awesome.
I feel like I haven't talked about him enough.
The Jimmy stuff is gold. I'm telling you.
I have the Jimmy stuff probably like too high.
I'm telling you that's like the second best thing about the
movie 'cause that storyline hit every time.

(43:45):
Every time it went to that. I'm like, this is hysterical.
And then Smart Eve ends up beinga really valuable character with
some agency. Every selfie was intentional.
Like it's so like, so like the Jimmy Eve thing is pretty
brilliant. By the end of the movie, I did
think Rachel Brosnahan was very good.
I had a really good time with her.

(44:06):
I thought she was awesome. And I I'm, I'm, I'm joking, she
could be in things, but like shewas good.
She was cool. And you know, I, I loved, I
actually loved the interview scene.
I think putting it in the trailer, I said, I remember
seeing it in the trailer, not liking it and saying I, I bet in
the movie it's better. Like it has to be better in the

(44:27):
movie and even the small clip they played like the silliest
part of it. That whole scene is awesome and
like the pace of it's better. So I dug everyone and
everything. So as much as I had problems
with the pacing and and the story, I liked every single
thing in this movie. There's not a single thing I
disliked out that that had to dowith anything that was on the

(44:50):
screen. How about loose?
All direction or pacing. How about Luther?
We were all worried about Luther.
I thought he was awesome. I thought he was awesome.
I and I bought into him pretty fast.
The scene where he's talking to Rick Flag and all them who Frank
Grillo thought it was awesome. See, I was on the flip side.

(45:15):
Actually I was. I didn't think he was bad
whatsoever, but I still didn't see Lex until the end of the
movie. Like I think like when I see
that final confrontation with Superman before he gets thrown
into jail, I think that's why I see Lex Luthor like when he's
going ham, like full on him and that third act when he's like.
One A1. A I'm like that.

(45:36):
That's why I saw Lex Luthor. But it did take me a minute and
I think where he's left off and he's the villain of the Justice
League movie, I am definitely 100% on board with that.
So. Yeah.
Yeah. That's it.
That's interesting because Dad, it took you long to like him
too, right? Yeah, but I, I was won over even

(46:00):
in the first viewing of it. I thought he did a really good
job. I believe them as I really felt
like I've, I've seen that Lutherbefore and I and I actually, I,
I know a couple people said maybe they should have gotten
older or more famous guy to playLuther, but I quite like that
it's him. I think going forward, you know,
we talked a lot about the big part he could play with

(46:23):
instrumenting, with being the leader of bringing some other
villains into the foray, if you will, a much bigger threat,
maybe a universe. Here I hear he's got a thing
with apes. What you're.
Saying, yeah, that would be great too.
But I thought that I thought that he I would agree.
I would agree with you, Zeddy. I thought the third act, he
really shines. He really comes through.

(46:43):
I love the I love the way that he memorized all the battles to
to moves like video games and hewas able to counteract Superman
and always be one step out of them.
So all that was really good. I think that the future is
bright for Nicholas Holt going forward.
I'm sure we're going to maybe see him too, maybe in a couple

(47:04):
things pop up too. I'm open kind of maybe
Peacemaker. We see a few of these people.
You know the one thing, the one thing I did find odd though, as
we're talking here, we were talking about the Justice game.
Did any of you guys find it odd that Hawk Girl does drop the
president? Like I thought she would have
been inspired by Superman when he's like, you don't kill, like

(47:25):
drop him and then swoop down andpick him up and laying him down
and going you're going to live the rest of your life in jail.
Like I thought that was weird. That was one thing that we've
all been talking about the movieand I meant to bring it up to
you guys like 3-4 times and I'm like, I keep forgetting.
I just was weird. Like, how do you do that?
They all get inspired by him. And then she's basically like,

(47:48):
yeah, if you were just, I'm justgoing to drop this piece of shit
down. Yeah, I think.
There was a lot more. What do you mean a lot more?
I think there was a lot more that he maybe wanted to do
because the whole them working for Lord Tech like it it it has
no relevance like the the immediately.

(48:10):
An interesting concept is all these heroes are funded.
Oh, so there's a, so there's a controlled aspect to justice and
saving people here and that goesnowhere.
Like I, I can't even tell you that they were really inspired
by him. I could argue the way a movie
presents it is they saw the world being inspired and they're

(48:31):
like, well, let's go help him. Like, and then she kills
someone. It's so like, like, like, you
know? What, what what I?
Mean, yeah. That's the one.
Oh my God, I'm. Telling you it's a sloppy it's
his weakest comic book movie. It is it is his weakest comic
book movie. He's 5 for five, though, in my
opinion, he's 5 for five. But the but they're not all the

(48:53):
same fives. I think I, I, I think the
Suicide Squad is better than this because I think the story
is a lot more clean, but that's a good movie too.
It's a very good movie, very good DC movie.
I'm telling you that these are two of better DC movies in the
last, you know, ever, actually. Yeah, she saved them.

(49:15):
I would have. I would have had her drop them.
And then as he's falling, she goes, oh, damn it, you know what
I mean? And then she like.
I thought she was. I thought she was and then.
When he I thought that was strange.
That was the one thing. It was a.
Very fast cut of all the. Choppiness and everything and
the things that just contradicted what the movie was
about, because it seemed like everybody else came to

(49:36):
contribute. He asked them to go there and
they did. And he wouldn't have liked that.
Superman wouldn't have liked that, that she did that.
I mean, that was a world leader,albeit he was a corrupt piece of
crap. We understand that.
But those people have to pay fortheir pay for their sins in a
court and all that kind of stuff.
That's what we all argue about. I mean, we don't, right?

(49:56):
Yeah, it's. Kind of like, you know, it's
kind of like James going againstsome of the political stuff that
he was trying to do there. But yeah, listen, yeah.
So. She also says like, I'm not
Superman, so it still makes it seem like she's not won over yet
versus like. Hey, listen.
I, I never felt like Guy and Superman hated each other.
They were just kind of like, it was like a Batman Superman thing
where he was like, oh, you want to go Big Blue, Let's go right?

(50:18):
And like I. Do I?
Do you wish? For a pick in him, obviously, or
like Buddy, so that was cool, but.
I do wish we got to see the brother though, in just a little
bit with a little couple of minutes about the Lord, right,
Even if it was a phone call the Luther like or Luther call him
or him call Luther. Yeah, I.
Thought they would. I thought Max would be at the
table with right me. Too, I understand.

(50:41):
Like, what are you doing, Luther?
You know, I got my guys and theymake it very clear that while
they are a privately funded group, that they don't interfere
in political stuff, right? I mean, guys, it's against his
oath as guardians. But then you're assuming also
that that's Lord doesn't make you get involved in that, even
though we know technically it isall political.

(51:02):
That's the irony of the situation because there is no
big corporation that that doesn't have ties, one political
affiliate, because everybody is a lobbyist in those
organizations and they're all trying to get as much government
funding as they can. So I would truly believe that
Lord Tech is funded somewhat by the government.
Maybe that's going to be uncovered.

(51:24):
Maybe that's coming. Maybe Peacemakers going to have
some of that stuff in there. Good stuff.
It's a lot of good stuff to talkabout because it means there's a
lot of interesting things that come out of this movie that we
need still to further and find out what's going on.
Oh, he. Sets up Justice League
International beautifully in this movie.

(51:44):
I'll tell you what he's going todo.
I'll tell you what I honestly think he's going to do.
And remember that I'm saying this.
He is going to treat this like Justice League Unlimited.
So like there's never going to be standalone sequels.
I don't think. I don't think there's going to
be that many standalone sequels.It's going to be, I think the
formula is going to be main hero, a list hero, and then two

(52:10):
to three other fun DC characters.
Like Wonder Woman. Has Zatanna.
Wonder Woman has red. Tornado.
Wonder Woman has well. You know we got Lobo.
We know we got. Supergirl, we got Lobo.
And we're gonna. Go it gives me.

(52:31):
Like in terms like it's not justgonna be a strictly 1 to woman
movie, like there's gonna be in Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I, I think he's gonna giveyou a lot of taste of DC
characters. They're all gonna have those
moments of Ensemble 1. Woman hot girl could.
Be I don't know if we if if he like, I hope he uses Mr.
Terrific again. We know he's using Guy Gardner

(52:51):
again. Hopefully Hawk Girl stays
around. She's in Peacemaker.
But like in other projects, yeah, you, you.
And then AJL movie might not have some of these people.
It's just going to have the mainones.
But his way of giving it to you is there's always going to be.
He said. The world's been overrun with
metahumans for 300 years. So it's like, I guess he's
creating a world where there's more.

(53:12):
He said in an interview too, that they're at their largest
capacity. Like the world has so many now
and they're starting to become aproblem.
So like, I think showing that inall these movies, you almost
have to do that, right? That has to be the universal
thing, that there's many humans everywhere.
So like if we go to Central City, there's coast cities right

(53:35):
down the street. Like there's all these other
places where there's multiple characters, there's multiple
things going on. So there was an outer
dimensional imp already that they were fighting, you know, in
the sky. Which plays very well in.
The pool. Plays very well which which?
Means you can't get Batmite somewhere down the road.

(53:56):
I know I'm talking about. Yeah, you can't get.
Batmite. Mr. Mitzel.
And we're all in agreement that we've already seen the Manhunter
already, am I right? I don't.
Think that was. Him.
No, I don't think that was him. I'll be annoyed if that's him.
I want something different for him.
I don't want that. I think the pocket.
Universe is going to be a place where things come from though.
Yeah, the. Pocket Universe will become a

(54:19):
thing because there's there's a black hole.
The White Martians aren't the villain of the.
Well, doesn't I got a peacemaker.
Isn't Peacemaker talk about the pocket universe?
Yes, OK. And I got to give our friends
that credit. He was talking to me last night.
He told me something about the clone I didn't think about.
Well, like, who do you think theclone's going to come back as?

(54:42):
Bizarro. Bizarro.
I think Bizarro, yeah. And he might have his world and
he might have followed it. Like.
I'm like, well, that's somethingGun would do, is make that clone
a very sympathetic character going for.
And I think it's great. Like, so there's there's so much
rich DC stuff here that he's going to do.
So that was the coolest part of the movie for me.
And this is a movie, this is a comic book movie where really

(55:03):
being a fan of this stuff is what took it over for me, which
is not always the case. But really, being a fan of this
stuff, like all of that stuff I ate up, it was like candy was
awesome. So.
I want to move into something before we.
Just one thing. Closing.
You did say, and I don't think it's hyperbolic, you did say

(55:24):
that David's casting is up therewith Jackman and Downey.
Now. How can you say that?
I said Downey and Evans. And Evans, Right.
I'm going to tell you why I say it.
Why I say it Because you knew when Jackman played Wolverine,
even before he did other movies,that he was that was his role.

(55:45):
Oh yeah, Downey, after Iron Man,you couldn't picture anybody
else being Wolverine or you couldn't picture anybody else
being Iron Man, right? And you couldn't picture anybody
else really being Captain America, right?
I mean, we could say Thor, but we're getting we're going to go
out of ourselves. Like there have been multiple
Spider Man, there have been multiple Batman.
They're great. But I think going forward, like

(56:08):
I can't envision anybody else being Superman.
No, he's the guy. I'm a 16 year old man and I
can't, I just can't. I don't see anybody else like I,
I can't even even like if if they had to reboot it again or
whatever, like this guy is the guy.
I will say this, I thought Campbell was good.

(56:29):
I'm not sure Campbell could havepulled this movie off.
I think Campbell while he looks the part, this guy looks the
part more and he's a little more.
I don't know that I've ever seenCamel like not take himself

(56:49):
seriously comedic. I'm sure he I haven't seen him
in other movies but and maybe heis just a victim of the way he
was written, but it's hard for me to imagine Camel in this
movie. Yeah, I don't see it.
What do you say? See, you're the big Superman
guy. You were a Camel fan too.
Now what do you think? We all wanted him back.

(57:12):
Was at the end of Black Adam. We were all like, Oh my God,
this is great. He's coming back.
He did Instagram and then they took it away from us.
But. It's it's tough to say because
this is this is the the iteration of Superman he always
wanted. Yeah, he wanted to build up too.
So part of me feels like with the right director and with the

(57:33):
right approach and him understanding the assignment,
that maybe he could have pulled off the light hearted Suman.
I don't know if he can pull thisparticular version of Superman
off, but I do think there's a world in which he probably could
have pulled off a more light hearted version of his Superman
that he was in. Dude, the rock was so close,
huh. I know the rock was so close.

(57:54):
That's. Crazy and like they finally gave
him. A suit that he should have had,
we wouldn't. Have dude so.
I was pissed too, because yeah, I mean.
If that movie makes what, like 200 more $1,000,000 we're
having? It if it hits the fire.
Conversation. If it hits the.
Fire, if it hits 500 million, I think we're having that whole.
I know conversation and didn't didn't they announce gun like it

(58:17):
was like 2 days later or something We thought we had gun
back. It was like, oh it.
Was like gun got announced like.I know it was like close though.
Like a month later. It was close.
It was close. No, it was close.
Apple after black guy Metzen. It was like 3 weeks or so.
Yeah, like it wasn't long after a Black Adam came out.
Yeah. I remember pulling the car over

(58:40):
to watch his Instagram post. Yeah, he and my eyes started
walling up a little bit. Campbell's post.
Well, I remember when the original ending of The Flash was
Crisis. Yes, they.
Shot. I mean, I don't know if people
know that, yeah, they were gonnado crisis.
It was gonna be if the Flash were like the Flash was gonna

(59:02):
have Keaton and Bat Flick, it like Bat Flick is trapped, dude,
they were gonna do. He had that whole interview with
that one guy too. He was like, man, I know now the
JL. Team was gonna be ugly as shit.
Sure, but it would have. It would have worked, but it
would have been. It would have been ugly.
It would have been Keaton's Batman.

(59:23):
Zeddi. I know you were a fan, but like
Keaton, Kaye, Leslie Grace, it would.
Have it would have been messed up like don't.
Don't give me. Wrong.
Sure, like Ben and Gal were there and stuff.
Yeah, like. It was looking dicey.
It was looking dicey. They were, they were.
Disrespect any of those roles but like at least in this where
we're going to mainstay Superman, but then it was going

(59:43):
to be Black Adam verse the JL man that didn't.
Happen. I don't know about that one.
I don't know about that one or like Cavil was going to fight
him or whatever I'm going to be,but this is awesome and I'm much
more excited for what this DC could be because it's going to
be a lot more traditional. It's going to be a lot more fun.
I had a lot of fun with this movie and crypto was awesome.

(01:00:04):
Crypto was awesome. He was just so cool a car at the
end was awesome too. So let's get into the box office
quick because I know we're aboutto go longer than we want it,
but that's OK. So the box office actuals came
in today 125 we're up to 220 globally.
The adjusted number was 3,000,000 higher.

(01:00:24):
That's like. A normal tweak, I know, like I'm
not trying to poo poo, but when people were like, oh, that's a
good sign. It's like, no, that's like a
numbers tweak. Like this wasn't Guardians or
Top Gun that jumped like 20 million, 30 million by the end
of the weekend, right. So like the numbers are in a

(01:00:44):
way, there's a tweet. I'm going to read you the the
tweet and then you both are going to go because there's a
tweet that's meant to be a joke,but it's real.
I think it's real. The.
Superman box office numbers are in a fun spot where it's doing
all right and simultaneously it's bombing.
So you can write whatever headline you feel.

(01:01:06):
There are many ways you feel there are many different ways
you could talk about these numbers.
I am going to start with Zeddy because I teed up this
conversation via text threads. Zeddy, I listen to the episode
with you, you and Carlos. It was great.
And then I saw that text from you.
I think you could talk about these numbers in a lot of ways.

(01:01:27):
I don't know if you can say great.
I wouldn't say great. I know you're saying great.
I want to know why you say it's great, Because I think there's a
way that I guess you could say they're great, but I'm telling
you there's a lot of people. A little jump in the gun on
what? No, I hate the James Gunn puns.

(01:01:47):
The gun is loaded, The gun is jammed.
I think the gun guns blazing. I think the gun is resting a
little bit. I think the gun is cooling down,
but I think the gun was still hot, but it's cooling down.
I think. I think it's a lot cooler than I
thought. So so they tell me why you think

(01:02:08):
they're great because I know my dad and I align on this.
So I would rather you get the the pro and then we'll kind of
steal man, maybe the other side.Sure.
So I have. A different I'm approaching the
word great at a different lane here because when I say

(01:02:29):
something is good, it means thatit just opened to what exactly
it was supposed to, meaning thatlike, it might have not
performed to the level that people thought, but it certainly
didn't perform overwhelmingly great, meaning that it was good.
Like if this movie had opened around 8590, like it just fell

(01:02:49):
below 100. That to me is like good because
it didn't bomb, but also didn't perform overwhelmingly positive
either. Now, granted, I think two things
can be true at the same time here.
I think if you're going to compare this to Man of Steel,
and that's your prerogative and you want to roll with that,
that's fine. Because at the end of the day,
the numbers are the numbers and the facts are the facts.

(01:03:10):
Man of Steel still opened higherthan Superman, and that's OK.
The climate was different in 2013.
Man of Steel had different expectations and circumstances
surrounding this thing. Where is this one?
You still had the damage of the DC brand.
You still have people skeptical of whether or not they thought
this movie was good or not. I'm not a fan of the fan

(01:03:31):
previews because I still think you had way more people go to
the Tuesday, Wednesday screenings than you did on that
Thursday, on that Friday, Saturday, Sunday, which is where
the week on really matters and really thrives.
You know, you saw it with something like Jurassic World
Rebirth because it came out on aTuesday.
Everybody sees it early and thenthey forget to go on the weekend
where it makes all the money. Now, this fell below The Batman

(01:03:54):
and it opened around The Batman.That would have been amazing and
that would have been terrific. But I still think all things
considered, this is a great opening because it was.
It didn't go to the bottom end of projections, meaning like the
range was so wide for this movie.
And I never understood why that was to begin with.

(01:04:15):
Like we made that joke on this podcast, but it actually really
was true. And that's the irony of all this
is that it could have opened anywhere between 90 to 200
million, I guess. And we made that joke when me
and Carlos and Mr. C talked about it.
And the irony of like that actually was true.
So it's a great opening because it puts DC back on the map.

(01:04:35):
I still think the A minus cinemascore was it was great all
things considered, especially where these movies have been
falling in terms of cinema scores.
Critics like the movie enough, but it wasn't great.
But they were good. They were good reviews and
audiences loved the movie. So it hit the trifecta of it's
finally ADC movie that opened over 100 million, even if it

(01:04:56):
didn't get to the heights of something like The Batman, but
it puts everything in a great spot.
So I think it's a it's a great opening because it didn't I
thought it would open anyway. And I think 125 is pretty great,
man. I mean, when you look at what
these movies have opened to lately, especially like this
year and last year, this is one of the higher ones we've gotten.

(01:05:18):
So I don't think this is something to be disappointed
about. Maybe a little underwhelmed.
Sure. I mean, I never expected this
movie to open to like Deadpool and Wolverine numbers.
I never expected this movie to make 500 million opening
weekend. That's insane.
Like, in what world would this have done it?
Would Twitter and online hype have told you that that was
going to be the case? Sure, you can say that, but I

(01:05:40):
still think that this is a greatopening in terms of that.
So that's why I don't care this is bad or underwhelming.
I think this is a this is a great start.
I would say if it dips in its second and third weekend though.
Scratch everything. I just said it has to scan from
here. That's fair that that's.
Fair. Yeah.
Zed, Dad, go ahead. OK, I'm.

(01:06:05):
Going to preface this. By saying it, it almost.
Would the the? The statement that Zasloff made,
he's kind of already indemnifying the movie and
saying that it's already a success.
They couldn't know some more, which is great, by the way.
We're so. Nice.
What he basically? Said to everybody is.

(01:06:26):
Basically, go fuck. Yourself, we're happy with the
movie. We're going forward.
We've got a 10 year plan. We admire James for what he did,
and I think that's great becausewhat that did is it takes some
of the doubt away of what this movie's eventually going to wind
up. Doing and if they're going.
To invest more money. Now, having said that, I think

(01:06:49):
it was a good opening. Because I.
Still, consider Superman not a box office draw.
He is not anywhere near the level.
Of Spider Man. Batman, even Deadpool and a lot
of them, a lot of the Marvel characters, right?
So I think it was good enough. I am disappointed as someone who

(01:07:13):
really likes the movie, that theinternational box office was
bad. Now, that is sort of been the
trend, and I don't know that that's necessarily a slap in the
face of Superman as it just is lately the the the international
box office is bad. But I will say this to you guys.
Thank God, Zasloff said that. Because this.

(01:07:36):
Is a movie that. By opening.
About 50 to 60 million short of what I wanted it to do could
wind up being a movie. When it's all said and done,
that really is not a profitable movie because what they've done

(01:07:57):
a little bit here, it almost feels like they've gone out of
their way to overcompensate and say the.
Movies doing better? Than it is and it costs less,
right all of a sudden the 225 budget is 200 all of a sudden
the marketing is down to 100 million, which I don't believe

(01:08:18):
there's no way yeah, having saidthat, a 300. $1,000,000.
Investment would mean that the movies got to do about 6. 100.
Million to turn a $50 million profit.
I don't think this movie gets 6 in front of it, and I don't
think it gets to within 100 million of the Man of Steel.

(01:08:39):
That's neither here nor there's that.
He brought up some fascinating points different times.
I do still think there's comic book fatigue too.
I disagree with James Gunn. I disagree with him.
I don't know how good the movie is.
There's still. Comic.
Book fatigue affecting a little bit of this stuff did the
political stuff here's. Another thing. 60. 8% of the of

(01:09:01):
the people that saw this movie were under the age of 35.
Superman is an 80 year old character.
Where were all the old? Guys, the 6065 year olds 75.
Again, I make no discerning comment on what your political
beliefs are, but sometimes when you want to play that political

(01:09:22):
thing and James Pooh poohed it alittle bit, but his brother
talked more about it on the red carpet.
And then a lot of the major networks, the pro right ones
like Fox and them ran with it. I do think that could have hurt
this movie a little bit, even ifit hurt it by like 6, seven, 8%,
right? 8% of 125 would have gotten into

(01:09:44):
the Batman numbers, right? If enough people said I'm not
going to go see that movie. It's about political stuff.
And I so, so there's a few weirdthings that are playing into
these numbers. So this week is important.
They're already saying they they're foreseeing a 50% drop.
I've never heard that before. I've never.

(01:10:05):
Oh yeah, they don't know that. What they don't know.
Like this? Did you?
Start all sold. I might go see, you might go,
but I may not. Like how do I all create mold
for the next weekend? How do they know?
Well, not all, then. That there's no.
They don't know. Hey, maybe.
There's only a 30%. Drop.
How do they know? But let's say SETI that it is

(01:10:27):
only a 50% drop. So that's 62 five South.
Now Superman's at about like 197.
They're going to do about 30 during the week 220.
The global markets not going to do better if this movie is
under. Under.
Like 350 million at the end of the second week.

(01:10:49):
I don't see it getting to 5:50 with the Fantastic Four coming
out. No, there's a chance.
Guardians when Guardians. Was able to lay the shit out of.
Guardians three, there was nothing playing after it for
like 3 weeks. Guys, you guys remember that?
We were all a little bit surprised that it it didn't open

(01:11:10):
tremendously, but you were right, Nick.
It did catch fire this Sunday, but then every week it was.
Now you know I say this about The Batman, I say this about The
Batman. The Batman did great, but how
many times have I told you guys there was nothing after The
Batman until Sandra Bullock and Channing Tatum pissed me off him
out. He could have been in front for

(01:11:32):
like 3 weeks. But the son?
And I was mad. Do you remember?
I was criticizing? Like yeah, it could have hit
800. It could.
Have hit 800. Probably it was 3 hours long.
There was all that third act wastoo long.
I was thinking myself Jesus Christ, Sandra Bullock and Shane
and Kaden with a ROM com knockedthe Batman out.

(01:11:52):
So my point? I still can't believe my point
about Superman. Is that he?
Put it out at a time again July.Following.
A big blockbuster and then two weeks on its own before you have
another blockbuster. So I'm concerned, yet at the end
of the day, this movie doesn't look like it did real good.

(01:12:16):
But the key here is that it justgood enough.
And certainly Zazzle. Office put.
The wheels in motion now what they need to do they need to
start talking about. Do you want to talk about box
office? Because I still want to address
the moment you could get into that quick.

(01:12:36):
I was trying to say one thing about the box office.
One more thing about the box office.
So Zeddy, I hear you and I thinkZasloff, I think they're
doubling down because they know they have to.
And do I agree it is a win. Like it is a miracle to see ADC
movie open to over 100 and it did.
It got me and I think a lot of people to care about the
character. It's all about perspective,

(01:12:58):
however. The.
There's. The statement I'm going to make.
The Social. Proof is not there.
It's just not there. There's a lot of people excited
right now. And I don't want people to not
be excited. But like on Tuesday or Wednesday

(01:13:20):
on my trip, I I would see peoplebeing like, well, this is going
to be a pop culture moment. Like this is a zeitgeist
capturing. Like it's going to elevate the
character. He's still he ain't as big a.
Spider Batman. This puts that to bed.
I think the a narrative I felt go away but also confirmed.

(01:13:42):
As I always said, I feel like the current GA doesn't love
Superman like the way that the older one did, and I think this
is proof of that. I mean, there is.
This movie is pretty much prettymuch going to, I think you can
constantly say it's going to make less than Man of Steel and

(01:14:04):
I don't there's a lot of people who have processed that yet.
Like this movie might. This movie might not get A5 in
front of it. I think that's rare.
But there's a shot this thing ends like 48490.
I mean, it does if if F4 really hurts it.
I don't know. This movie went from like 4

(01:14:24):
weeks ago. Everyone's kind of coping and
it's OK because I think we all bought in tonight.
This marketing was incredible, though.
I was Superman pill to the Max didn't anticipate it.
I was even like I never fully said it or agreed it, but I when
when people are saying like thisthing's going to be big, I'm
like, yeah, I think it's going to be pretty big like I do.
But the conversation a month agowent from billion dollar,

(01:14:47):
biggest movie of the summer, biggest movie of the summer to
well, like as long as it hits 808 hundred is the high end 7-8
hundred. Then it turned into well, as
long as it makes what Man of Steel made.
And now last week they were theywere saying we could live with
500 million. You went from a billion to 500.

(01:15:09):
Million in three. Weeks the story changed yeah
that's tough that's. Tough to me that's.
Tough and everyone in this spacecannot tell me Oh well, we.
Didn't. Actually think that.
No, no, we all actually thought this movie was going to be
bigger. The online thing, the Internet,
it does it. It's this thing.
I kept trying to say like everyone in in life, I would.

(01:15:32):
I normally hate the anecdotal stories, but I feel like I never
went somewhere and was talking to people and they wanted to see
the Superman movie. A lot of people in my life
haven't seen it. I don't know many.
People outside of our You 2 in this space who have went to see
the movie or have asked me aboutit or went, hey, did you see
that movie yet? No one's texted me about if I

(01:15:53):
saw the Superman movie yet because I haven't put out a
review yet. I just think the fanboys came
out. And now you're seeing.
The size of the comic book audience that is still here,
which might be bigger with with F4, but it's like it's going to
come out for these big things. Deadpool, Wolverine, Deadpool's
bigger character than Superman right now, sheesh.

(01:16:14):
Like it's crazy. It's confirmed like so this
character is like a $500 millioncharacter, which is a good
thing. But here's the problem it's
going to make. I know the landscapes different.
I'm going to say that too. It's on pace to do about the
same or worse than the last version, which I've been beat
over the head and I'm happy because it's gotten me into

(01:16:35):
Superman. But I've been beat over the head
with the audience just needs this hopeful version.
They'll, they'll be reminded, they'll come right back out for
Superman. James Gunn is going to put
Superman back on the cinematic glory.
He's going to be as relevant as Spider Man.
And everyone who says he's not loved by this audience is wrong.
No, that didn't happen. That shouldn't happen.

(01:16:58):
I'm gonna double. It's sad and.
And I feel sad. Saying that, Zoe.
Because you're a big Superman. Fan but like, it's just there's
a lot more work to be done. Yeah, for all the hype.
That went into this and all the.Marketing and all the talk of
man, I'm sitting there. I, I thought I was going to wake
up to 14145. I really did.

(01:17:19):
I did too. I really did.
That's what the word about. The cinema score, I'm like.
Oh, we're going to see this thing hit 1313510, I can feel.
And global, I expect. I expected this thing to be 250.
Yeah, easily 268 like Batman did.
I was thinking it was 27017. Yeah.
I was like 2. 70 and it had 530 it had five days to wait from

(01:17:44):
from the Tuesday on Yeah well, Imean, doesn't it also add.
Clarity to oh, I'm sorry, did I call you off?
No, no, no. No, I wouldn't say.
Doesn't it also add a little andthen I'll?
Pass it on to Mr. C. It probably gets clarity to
James Gunn's comments on this movie being a 00.
Yeah, Oh yeah, it's all if I'm now approaching.
This in terms of like if. If if it hits the five, OK,

(01:18:06):
that's half a billion. So that to me is like you didn't
get the home one, but now you'reyou're at 2nd, right?
Like you're you're almost at at home plate.
So the triple to me is like you're at your 708 hundred and
your billion is like now you've hit the your home plate.
So Zetty Gold Star because like what I think?
Now it's like it's all coming together now, right?

(01:18:28):
Like. All.
News like People Digest news. Yeah, and like it.
Doesn't way I get it and that whatever you want at this point,
I get it. People digest.
News in subjective ways, but like.
I feel like sometimes there are,I guess when it's, I guess it's
like confirmation bias. When you really like something,
you'll buy in the headlines. What I told you, the way it went
from like a billion to down lower is like they also prepped

(01:18:50):
you for it in the media. Like it worked.
Like Zasloff saying it's a success is working because it's
making us go well. I guess it doesn't matter
because it doesn't. Now.
He said they're going to keep making movies, which is
encouraging, but it's also his way of being.
Like, stop looking into what themovies meant.
They already know they're telling.
So yeah, he people. Went along why would you guys I

(01:19:12):
don't think 20 minutes right yeah and like and like I don't
think people realize that because I think people.
Might leave the show going like,well dude, of course we weren't
really saying it was going to make a.
Billion. No, like you were.
You were and like and it's like or or.
Don't be. Telling me like the thing that.
Zeddy said. Where it's like, well, it's
great for the brand, I know that.

(01:19:33):
But right, you can't compare it to Begins.
I don't think you can because landscapes different and begins
with such a different movie. This is going to something we
are like this Superman movie isn't novel.
Like it wasn't so different either.
Like in some ways plays like an MCU Superman movie.
It does. That's fine.
That's what it is, though. So like it, it has that tone, it

(01:19:54):
has that vibe. It's it's, it's familiar, some
of it, and yet it just didn't strike this massive, massive
thing, you know, and I and I think that some of the hype that
was into it just really skewed that because you would think if

(01:20:15):
you just make a good Superman movie, it puts him back.
To the top of the totem pole forpeople.
And it just it's still it is that there's still something
about him and I don't know what it is.
And it's why if they do a Superman sequel, yes, it will
have many more characters and itwill be an ensemble movie.
I think that's what they're going to do.
I think it's smart. But yeah, you.

(01:20:37):
You really thought this thing was going to be bigger and those
projections never moved either. It was always 95 to 125.
So it's like there was the needle that actually wasn't
being moved at all. And it's like everyone kind of
felt it at once. And it's like, I think it's OK
to call out. It doesn't make the movie
anyhow, but it doesn't diminish the character.
But like, this is Superman. This isn't Iron Man either.

(01:21:01):
Iron Man was not only a different time, Iron Man's AB
character, this is like if you started the universe with Spider
Man, you rebooted Spider Man andit only makes 500.
That's a problem. You know what I mean?
So you're seeing that that Superman is officially in a tier
and it can change, but it's in atier because when Spider Man

(01:21:22):
brand new Day is bigger, when F4is bigger, because F4 will be
bigger. Now the dinosaurs are big.
Like there's there's just thingswhich which I warn people about
Batman's bigger still. So like, yeah.
No, you, you were right. On that, I was on that.
I'm not. I'm not going to like, yeah.
I'm not. I'm not trying to once again put
down the character or make. Anyone be like?
You're so negative. I love the movie and the fact

(01:21:44):
that Zaslav is moving forward isthe best sign because the movie
was good enough to do what it needed to, but it really was
like just a double. And I think Superman has a
potential to get there, but he'sgoing to need time.
And my tweet is genuine. I want to see him so much more.
That's my compliment. That's the irony is I was
hoping. I'm bummed it didn't do better

(01:22:06):
and I'm mad about it. I'm mad it didn't do better
because I think it should have. I think this movie should be a
250 plus global opener and it's a damn shame.
And I thought it was more accessible than The Batman.
I still can't believe the Oh Godyeah, not even.
I still can't believe I keep. Forgetting that every time I.

(01:22:26):
Think it this movie is under 200. $1,000,000 Yeah, I can't
believe that movie. Made almost 800 million.
I. Know.
I cannot believe that movie. I, I I.
I love it. But most people that's
definitely a character don't, don't absolutely I do.
And that movie had legs, which means people.
Were going, I know. So many times I cannot believe
that and and, and that people aren't doing that for this.

(01:22:46):
Like, I can't believe that because I think this is so much
more enjoyable, right? It it's a more enjoyable movie
than The Batman. The Batman is like a better
movie. But like, yeah, and, and.
And it's cool. Yeah.
Well, listen, James Gunn called it.
James Gunn called it. He said it was going to be a
double. I was criticizing him.

(01:23:08):
Why you saying that he knew theyknew.
James Gunn also was tweeting on Sunday crypto saying go see
Superman. So they were still and they
posted Millie and they posted. Millie, so they were the makeup
artist posted her. They were working real.
Hard on Sunday. Do the social media to try to

(01:23:29):
get everybody to go see it. So here's what I'm going to say.
I'm going to follow one thing you said.
I don't think so. I don't think he ever gets a
true solo sequel. I don't think so.
I think his sequel is going to involve an ensemble of heroes,
even though he may be the focal point again, and the story may
evolve around him being the focal point.

(01:23:50):
But I don't think you'll see a true, you know, Superman lowest
sequel. They'll all be there.
But I don't see that now. James David Zaslav, here's what
we need to do. We have one movie coming out in
2026, Supergirl. What is it called?
Woman and. Tomorrow, women.
Or just Supergirl, Just Supergirl we have.

(01:24:12):
No other movies I don't count. Yeah, I.
Was going to say, well that's the other one.
I don't count Clayface forget. About Clayface.
Now we. Are in July 2025.
They have nothing on the slate for 2027, except for Batman two
at the end of 2027. You have.

(01:24:33):
To soon quickly figure out God announce Wonder Woman.
If it's just Wonder Woman, that's fine because I agree with
you that there will be also an assemble of characters in there
with her. But you need to do this now,
because if you're telling me that we're not going to get
another DCU film until after TheBatman, too much time will have

(01:24:58):
gone by again and you will kill whatever.
Little. Momentum that you built up with
Superman, because Superman may appear Peacemaker.
Not everybody's going to watch Peacemaker.
They'll probably be in the Supergirl film, which has a.
Chance to do good. But I don't know that the
Supergirl film is going to do 5600 million either.
I'm not sure about that. Maybe it will.

(01:25:21):
Maybe we'll see the MO continue from this and it'll be like,
wow, Can you believe that Supergirl almost did as much as
Superman? I don't know.
But, says Law, put your money where your mouth is now.
OK, Yeah, you did that. I understand.
Why you did that? You're giving.
Everybody a shot in the arm. You're saying don't worry about

(01:25:42):
this box office, but if you're going to write checks, hundreds
of millions of dollars to make afew more movies, you're going to
look for a better return. You're going to want a better
return. A Wonder Woman movie with a new
unknown actress and some other people is not going to do what
gals movie did either. It's not going to do a billion
dollars, so they're going to have to take some of these lower

(01:26:05):
smaller 600, you know, for Wonder Woman till you start
getting the pointy haired guy involved.
And maybe you go to the job willbe or a Superman sequel with a
Brainiac that involves a world class invasion and a bunch of
heroes in there. So the Sky's the limit here, but
we need to hear some stuff now. Now we've got Superman.

(01:26:30):
Second week we got Fantastic Four.
I fully am expecting before Labor Day a Wonder Woman movie
to get announced. I will be major disappointed if
there is not a fake see you movie that's not only.
Announced. Casted and production starting

(01:26:51):
filming early 2026 so maybe it could get out sometime in 2027.
Am I crazy here guys, or we justno if you put a Wonder Woman
movie in. The summer of 20. 27, I'm
telling you, just like on the eye test alone, you're going to
get people that that are going to want to go see that.
Like it's just you put that thing in like June or even like

(01:27:14):
4th of July weekend. I don't even know what's in that
grand. So that might change.
But like just on an eye test alone, it would be so much more
bigger to people on paper right now.
Yeah. And here's what.
Here's how I'll close I am. Officially I think.
I could call myself a Superman fan now I'm going to keep.

(01:27:36):
I'm going to read Panic. In the sky, I'm going to read
Birthright. Excellent, excellent story.
I've got the triangle. I've got the.
Triangle omnibus coming? Which has all those stories,
Nick, it comes out in a couple of months.
It also has the death of Superman in there, even though
you know, we've all been dissed,been reprinted 9,000,000 times.
But listen, I am I am a David Corn sweat James Gunn Superman

(01:27:59):
fan. Let me put it to you that way.
Doesn't mean I don't not a fan of anything other.
I am this is what I am. I've got my eye firmly focused
on this guy where it's going to go in the future.
I, I, I don't whatever we're saying here, understand?
I would have loved for this movie to destroy the Man of
Steel. And I like the Man of Steel.

(01:28:20):
Yeah, I still like Man of Steel.I would have applauded.
And I still like Man of. Steel, even though I don't like.
I love that movie. No, yeah, No, I.
Would I'm not a guy here becauseI know a lot of people know.
That I love. This doesn't have to be a versus
thing, man. I do like the Snyder stuff.
But I would have loved for this.Movie to done more because then
I would have felt like sure, oh,over a decade later, yeah, it's

(01:28:43):
going to get there. We're going to be.
OK here. We're going to have a shot.
The only thing I get nervous about is the comic book fatigue,
which James Gunn. I wholeheartedly disagree with
him when he says there is no such thing as comic book D.
It's the story, not James. There's a little bit.
These movies are all doing well,the exception of that.

(01:29:04):
Reviewed this. Movie they're like I.
And they and they just, they didn't even watch it.
And I've seen some people on TV say Superman again.
And I've seen some podcasters. I'm not going to see that movie.
How many times are we going to be Superman?
You know what I mean? Dude, it's there.
It's there. Don't say it's not there.
There is comic book fatigue and it needed.

(01:29:27):
That's why this movie was special that it did do what it
did. But, you know, we just got to
hold on. Here a little bit, you know,
because. Again, my fear is that Marvel's
going to do all this wacky stuffagain, starting with the
Fantastic Four. Those movies themselves might
get pushed into 2027, and that'snot And those movies might not

(01:29:50):
make that much money either. I.
Know that's not good for. I think the whole thing might be
because then you're going to have everybody at the wrong time
for. Superman Yeah, it just it might
be the. Wrong time.
It might be, it might just. The whole thing with.
DC. Might be timing.
And. You still got a spider verse
movie that everyone's going, Yeah.
And you got. Spider Man, you know a new day

(01:30:10):
and you got. You got the animated ones.
I mean, if you guys are all. Going to see that and then
they're. Like, oh, but then there's this
and that. It's a weird time, guys.
I'm just telling you, I I have talked at work with some people
that like some of the comic bookmovies, they like The Dark
Knight, that kind of stuff. And I told them, are you going

(01:30:31):
to go see Superman? And they're all like, yeah, no,
I'm tired of those movies, you know why Was it good?
Yeah, it was really good. You should go see.
It's a funny thing. You know what they say.
I'll just catch. You when it's.
On streaming, you know I'll catch you when it's on
streaming. Yeah, you know.
Wow, so. That's to.
That. Worry about.
To that we bid a farewell because there are good things

(01:30:54):
coming. Oh, there are.
Oh. Yeah.
No, no, no, absolutely. Yeah.
And. As I've always said, you know,
on on this show and when when wedo when I do box office beyond
with Carlos, you know, box office is a marathon.
It's not a Sprint. So this number take it for what
you will like it don't like it underwhelming.
OK, positive. It's what it does after.

(01:31:15):
That's what I always say like don't get hung up on what it
opens to. It's always the money it makes
afterwards. So take a this was fun though,
you know, obviously the lead up to this movie was incredible
with you guys and all the podcasts and conversations we
did outside of this show. So it's a bittersweet feeling
for me because I enjoy the buildup of this movie so much.
I had a blast taking all my pictures and posting all the

(01:31:38):
content that I could for our channel and beyond.
So I'm going to I'm going to take I'm going to take this as
as a whole and I'm going to really enjoy this for for what
it was. So thank you everybody to reach
out to. I know a lot of people want to
make sure send good vibes and good thoughts my way.
I appreciate all of that. Thank you everybody.
And not a Supergirl we go. So we'll we'll see what comes

(01:31:59):
next. But that's what I'll do it, man.
So we probably went longer than we thought.
But you know what that is why wethat's what we do here, man.
So Mr. C, tell everybody where they can find you, Sir.
You know, one final thought too.This movie's going to stream.
This movie's going to stream big, you know that.
Oh, I'm sure it will. Yeah, it's going to be.
Big in the streaming. Market it will be.

(01:32:21):
And you know, it'll be frustrating.
I'm sure this will be on. Labor Day weekend on HBO Max.
I'm sure a. Lot of people in two.
Months are going to tell you howmuch they love this.
Movie and you're going to be like if only you went, if only
you went, I'm going to make a prediction.
Could have been this movie. 'S going to.
Stream better than Batman I agree.
Better than the Batman I agree. I think it's going to be the.

(01:32:42):
Most streamed. Movie of the Year.
We're going to come up to me, we're going to go outside of the
kids stuff. Outside of kids.
Stuff. I think it's going to.
Be on like Nielsen at the end ofthe year.
It's going to be like, wow, Superman made the last there's
yeah, there's going to be peoplecoming up to me and going.
Why didn't you tell about the? Movie The.
Dog was incredible. This was incredible.
But yeah, I'm telling you right now, it's going to age well.

(01:33:03):
It'll age well, yeah. I agree.
Everybody find me at X, we're fired up, I feel like.
At the beginning of the DC, Yeah, we all really like the
movie, don't worry. Like we.
All probably come out like we. Don't I'm.
So happy. I'm going to watch my.
Tweets. Yeah, you know, I.
AM. I'm actually excited about.
Peacemaker and I really. Wasn't, I mean, yeah, well, I'm
actually looking forward becauseI'm going to see.

(01:33:24):
I'm going to see. A.
Guy Gardner again and and I think they're going to be a
couple surprises in there. I think we're going to see, I
think we're going to see some Superman.
People. Yeah, in Peacemaker and I'm.
Really happy about that. And then dude just fired me up.
I told I know we're going to like just fired me up for

(01:33:44):
Lanterns more too. Oh, I'm very excited for
Lanterns 1001. 1000 the only thing that did not.
Fire me up for is Clayface. Goodnight.
Yeah, I can't do Clayface. All right.
You follow me on ego Crusoe Twitter Instagram letterbox ego
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That's beautiful at some at somepoint there you go subscribe to

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his YouTube channel because whatthe.
Hell, are you doing? Absolutely.
So I'm on Twitter and Letterbox at Nixon, of course.
Follow the show at Vigilante 1929 on Twitter.
Leave us a five star radio review and continue following us
on Spotify. Box Office Beyond just dropped
the latest by a new episode where Carlos and I dropped a
kind of just an impromptu episode based on the opening

(01:34:28):
weekend before the Monday actuals came out.
So facts might be a little datedby a day, so bear with us on
that one. But nonetheless, it was great to
be back. And then on the Multiverse
Musings Network with my guy Adam.
A spoiler review of Superman will be on on his YouTube
channel very, very soon. And I'll have a written review

(01:34:48):
of Iron Heart coming out very, very soon.
So I'm back in the in the written space.
So be on a written review for Ironheart.
That's right. Cool.
Yep, I. Will tell you off air who
that'll be for because. That'll probably be.
Dropping soon, but don't want toput the don't want to put the
cart before the horse just yet, but that's it man so we'll be

(01:35:10):
back when so we'll see we'll be good probably F4I believe will
be our next one and that's really exciting so until next
time Finigo Crusoe first part Nick Crusoe junior.
My name is Zanlik and. As.
My Queen's Batman always says I'm watching.
Tell your friends about me. I'm God damn Mr. Terrific.
My beautiful boy. Took me home.

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