246. Superman's Milestone, DCU Updates & More!

On V39 no.246, Nikko, Mr. C and Zeddy are back discussing Superman's historic box office milestone, Fantastic Four's opening weekend, James Gunn's post-Superman DCU comments and updates and more!

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Episode Transcript

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Are you doing super or super fantastic?
You tell me. Hello vigilantes, You're

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listening to episode 246 of the Vigilante 1939 podcast.
We are discussing Superman's historic milestone or soon to be
historic milestone. Fantastic Four is opening
weekend performance guns post Superman DCU comments and
updates. And we are previewing the 2026
Commonwealth movie slate becauseas of now, there's no more

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common movies until next year. As always, the best way to
support the show is to please leave us a five star rating
review on Apple podcast. We will of course meet it on air
if you do so. And of course, follow us on
Twitter at Vigilante 1939. I am 1/3 of the coaster Nick
Xenic and joining me this week as always, he's the
effervescent, the Caruso Junior.Did you ever think that I would

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call you effervescent? No.
How you doing I? Don't know, I I never.
Nice little adjective for. You when you were when you were
just a a a preschool kid or kindergarten kid.
I that. Word was not in my vocabulary.
I would, I would not dream that some 24 or five years later we'd
be doing a podcast together. But it's wonderful.
Yes, Nico is AWOL Tonight. He is headed to Michigan for his

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annual camp shout out trip. Congrats to him.
He does some great work out there.
And we just had a we had to do some stuff because it's we're
basking in the afterglow, if youwill, of of these movies that we
waited for so long to come out. And it is bittersweet that they

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that everything's out. It's over with Z you.
You said there are no more comicbook movies till next year.
I, I had to double check that too.
And I was like, wait, no, there's nothing.
No, there's literally nothing until I there's.
No Sony verse like Craven no. Sony movies, there's no little
you know there's some TV shows here and there right.
But, you know, nothing on the the big screen, you know, so

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yeah, no, that's that's actuallyprobably a great starting point.
Mercy. As you know, you've said, you
know, we looks forward to Superman and Fantastic Four for
so long now they both have came and gone.
Superman has a hasn't done it yet as of this recording, but
it's going to by by the time this show comes out.
But a little breaking news, I guess, since we are DC leaning

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here is it's going to be the first Superman movie to cross
300 million domestic. And it's clearly going to be the
the highest grossing DC movie since the Batman, which I think
many of us have kind of predicting and speculating on
anyways. Could be a matter of how much.
Well, domestically I, you know, that is and worldwide I think
too. Yeah, that'll be so it won't it

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won't obviously won't out ghost the Batman.
We can probably take that out ofthe way.
The biggest movie since the Batman on the DC fun for sure.
So Michigan, before we get into Fantastic Four comment talk,
talk to me through about how you're feeling about Superman's
performance. Are you?
Is this where you had it on par?You little underwhelmed?
How are you feeling right now? Well, I, I think in general, I,

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I'm a little underwhelmed at, atreally box office in general.
And I know we're going to touch into that a little bit after we
get into this. But I do think that I remember
vividly about a couple weeks before Superman came out,
actually before Jurassic came out, we were predicting box

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office numbers and a lot of people at eights and nines in
front of these movies and reallyJurassic, what is the Jurassic
World? Is that what they call it?
I'm sorry I didn't. Call it rebirth.
They're going to wind up really being the champion here.
I think they've got A7, right? They've got a 7 at this point.
I don't think they're going to hit an 8, but the two comic book
movies are going to fall way short of that.

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I as I'm looking at Superman now, it's it's 511,000,000.
That's the global number we've got this whole week.
I know there's a lot of people still throwing some big numbers
out, but I, I, I believe Superman's going to get 600
million, but I don't think it's going to do too much more than
that even because even you know,you have next week and these

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movies tend to drop even if they're holding well, it's it
they do half for the half for the half as it goes on.
So depending how long they keep this thing in the theater and,
and try to milk it, I guess we'll see where it finally
tallies at. But by and large, it's still a
success by today's standards because you were taking a

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character that we've talked about ad nauseam on the show
that really was not a big figureon the big screen for quite a
long time. The other thing is that I think
Superman also, we'll talk about this more with Fantastic Four,
but I do think it definitely benefit from being the first of

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the two to come out. I think Marvel's going to look
back and probably regret that they open so soon afterward.
They probably, in hindsight, andit's easy to say this now,
should have moved this movie back a little bit because I
still tell everybody, even though they say no, there still

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is comic book fatigue. It doesn't mean that the comic
book genre's over. It doesn't mean that these
movies still can't do several hundreds of $1,000,000.
But you know, we were at a partyover the weekend for a high
school graduation and a college graduation, and there were
several people there. Nobody saw any of these movies.

(06:17):
Talk to a lot of the kids that we used to go see the Star Wars
movies with my sister's stepchildren and they've really
basically moved on from these type of movies.
And I'm not saying they won't come back at some point, but
neither Superman nor Fantastic Four engulfed everybody.
See, you know what I'm saying? It's not like they got everybody

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back into the theater. But let's just talk about
Superman. Superman is a success.
Superman, I think pretty much when you look at it, the overall
critical reception, the fan seemoverly positive.
The good thing about Superman isthat no matter what box office
it does, it never really completely dropped off.

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So the drops are pretty impressive.
They're not that large and I think right now for the movie
going audience, which is down, II really think Superman does
very well. The other thing I think is we've
only seen, I've only seen F4 once.
How many times have you seen it?I've seen it once myself, yeah.

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That's all we've seen it, you and I Nico's seen it a couple
times. We saw Superman 3 times all
right. We we saw it in a free
screening. Then you and I went to the
Amazon screening and then I tookmy family.
We went the Saturday. I feel like as much as I like
Fantastic Four and might have thought it might have been a
different overall movie, The vibe of Superman was a little

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different, though it hit a little different.
Like it's hard to explain to you, I don't think it was as
good a movie. I think it had a lot of flaws,
but the charm of it, I think theoverall atmosphere, it just
seemed to work a little bit better for rewatch ability in my
opinion. I really do, because I really

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like the Fantastic Four. But as I'm sitting here talking
to you, I have not gone back to the theater to see it.
And it it's over. See.
When do we see it? We could go Monday, right?
Yeah, we, we, we come today. What a hypocrite I am.
I haven't spent the time on the Fantastic Four.
I know, yeah. You know, so, so let's, that's

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how I'm gonna leave my super Superman.
I think we clap our hands. We can definitely say that it it
will be the superhero champion of this year.
We also have to keep in mind you'll eloquently talk about it
later. I believe there's a new
standard. I think there's a new norm where

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we're at about. Yeah, I'm going to completely
echo everything you say because I don't think it, it bears
repeating that this is a successby any metric.
You want to go about it. You know, I have no interest.
I know you and I have gotten in plenty of debates online about,
you know, whether people are adjusting for inflation and
comparing it. The comparisons were going to be
inevitable. Of course, you know, the

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Fantastic Four and we'll talk about that in a quick second.
But I'm, I would say I'm satisfied with Superman's
performance. You know, obviously we of course
on the show online buzz, we always, we always got to factor
that in because that always plays a big part in people's
predict predictions and projections.
I do think it would be a little bigger.
Like I'm, I'm going to be naive enough to admit that I thought
it'd probably be a little bit bigger.

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But this being, you know, the first return to Superman, the
goodwill being brought back to the DC Bryant, I think we may be
overestimated a little bit or maybe it wasn't underestimated
enough. But you know, we always say
Marvel's back when I think DC's back, but I think we won't know
if DC's back until the next couple movies kind of come out,
right. So like, if Super Girls comes

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out and it's a hit and it does well, then I think we can say
DC's back. But for one movie that it gets
it off the ground running. I do believe that this is going
to go in a similar trajectory toIron Man.
The first one where like I thinkthe legacy of this movie is
going to be more important than its overall box office 1,
meaning that like whatever the DCU ends up being 10 years from

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now, obviously, you know, peoplestill look at that first Iron
Man movie. That's very much still a a we
veered movie to a lot of people,regardless of how it's aged,
right? It it's legacy still lives on
with that movie. So that's the hope with this
thing in particular. But I'm kind of with you, it
seems like families really are eating this up.
It seems like out of the two, this is the one that that got

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the younger crowd and the families on board with it.
So that's something to keep in mind.
And yeah, I do agree with you. I'm I'm sure Foggy wanted more
than anything to take a little bit of the DC pie a slice out
of, you know, to take a little dig at him.
I'm sure he probably thought he had the goods.
He probably thought he had the better movie.
He thought that the goodwill would would still be there with,
with the with the MCU and everything like that.

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And you thought he would beat Superman.
That's that's plain and simple. Who knows, maybe it's still
might, it's still early, who knows, But I'm satisfied.
So that that's why I met with Superman.
So kudos to it for its huge milestone and we'll see where
the final, final number ends. But I think to quote knocks from
Batman 80, Niner 6 is good. 6/6 is good, you know?

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I would say so Z and I think it I think it I don't doubt it'll
hit 6. How high it goes over 6th is
debatable, but I I think that you and I would have probably
loved to seen a seven. I think we all we all
realistically knew eights and nines were not in the cards for
any of these movies really. I mean, it really, it takes a

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lot for a movie to do that kind of numbers now.
And I mean this is the year of Lilo Stitch in Minecraft and we
still got wicked coming down thepath.
So I think those are probably going to be the three biggest
movies of the year. Yeah.
But Superman also, when it hits streaming, I think it's going to
be really big because I do thinkkids are going to watch it.

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And I do think the legend of this movie can grow.
And I really love what you said.I do think it will be looked
back on as the beginning of something.
Now they got to move on this stuff.
OK. They're a little slow.
And and, and, you know, we'll, we'll talk about more of that
when we talk about Gun. Maybe let's sector into the to
the Fantastic Four right now. So, so Z, we saw it, you and I

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and Nico saw it really only at the screening.
I didn't really see it with a regular audience.
So I didn't really get a a feel I myself.
We we gave a spoiler free review.
I mean, I don't think we need atthis point to review the movie.
I did really enjoy it. I thought there were some really
innovative action scenes in there.

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I, I, I really enjoyed the entire cast.
I wasn't bored with the movie. I, I thought parts of it.
I thought as a whole, it's probably a better overall movie
than Superman, but I don't know that that makes it more likable
or it's strange, right as I'm talking to you.

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I don't know that it and again, I don't I think that I I always
sit here and think like if F4 open first, would it have
drained the audience a little bit and saturated and taking a
little bit away from Superman? I'm going to say I think so.
I know a lot of the real die hard Super fans are probably

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going to disagree with me, but Ido think it was so close that
you don't remember when BVS opened up.
And then and then it did. It did great and then it petered
and then but Super Bowl came outlike a month, right?
It was like 6 weeks later it wasI.
Think they were like a month apart but it was pretty close
there. Was there was some time there to

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breathe? This thing felt like it just
Superman was riding a high and then all of a sudden you had the
Fantastic Four and I think that hurt the Fantastic Four.
I think people, I think the general audience was like, oh,
we got another one now here's another one.
Jeez, we just saw Superman. We're like Superman.
We spent our money on Superman and we're probably not going to

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going to go see the Fantastic Four.
So what what's your take on that?
How do you What do you think? Yeah, F4 was so interesting to
me because I know, I know. I was very adamant on this show
and a few other shows that I never felt the wave of like the
marketing wave that Superman hadwith Fantastic Four.
I, I always felt like Superman at every chance it got, always

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got the one up on F4 despite my excitement, your excitement,
Nico's excitement, you know, I'msure there were a lot of people
enthusiastic to see Fantastic Four and hopefully it end up
being great. But I know that in my humble
opinion, these two also had verysimilar things to do both in
terms of getting, you know, the IPS back because both of them

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were damaged brands, for lack ofa better term.
So I think both of them really had to win audiences over.
MCU has been in such a funny, tricky spot.
But seeing I know we'll probablybreak it down a little bit
further here, but it just seems like anything that they try to
do, want to do, attempt to do isjust not going over well or as

(15:22):
well as they could have. It's very strange and
interesting. I mean, like this got another A
minus and that's the same score Superman got same score.
I think thunderbolts got thunderbolts obviously
underperformed even worse as a whole, but it's I just never
felt like this this movie reallyever caught on.

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And like, I, I still think both movies have dark material, but
maybe, I don't know, maybe the subject matter of F4, despite it
having a family dynamic, a family core element to it, I
guess just wasn't people's vibe as much as I thought.
But it's tricky because I feel like the MCU just isn't
Obviously they haven't been bulletproofing in a long time,

(16:05):
but I guess I'll flip it over back to you, Mr. I mean, like,
let's just talk about it 'cause obviously this did open lower
than Superman in a year ago. People thought like, oh, this is
going to smoke some men out of the water when when it comes out
right? It's Fantastic Four.
It's Marvel's first family. It's the biggest name that
Marvel has has came out with in a while, I would say, even
though the movies before that weren't that successful.

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But what's your take on this as a whole enough?
Because now the Fantastic Four is out and again, the box
office, whatever it ends up doing in the in the coming
weeks, we'll see. But this is going to be the last
MCU movie until Spider Man, which is next year, next summer
actually. But what's your take on this?
I mean, like, is there MCU fatigue?
I know we just said comic movie fatigue but like.

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Well, it. Wasn't bad timing like like
what's like what's what's going on dude?
Do you think right now? Yeah, I mean, I feel like
Superman being the first was thebenefit and it was the curiosity
was just overwhelming for all comic book people, even the
so-called haters that did not wanted to succeed Zeddy.

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They went to see Superman, believe me.
And I don't know that they went to go see Fantastic Four.
I think a lot of people might have went to see Superman hoping
it was going to suck and be bad.And maybe we're the haters were
disappointed that it was actually pretty good.
And I think they just gave theirput their hands up, surrendered
and said, hey, listen. So I think, I think again, I'm

(17:32):
going to, I'm going to say that the tone of the two movies are
still a little different and I think that the Fantastic Four is
a really good movie. But I think it should have
waited. It should have waited.
They should have, they should have waited.
I know you and I have talked about this.

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If there was a November or whatever or late October, if
there was a window there where you didn't have anything big
coming out for a couple of weeks, either couple weeks
before Wicked or something. I I just think they needed it,
needed some time away from Superman and I think that
probably heard it more than anything.
I don't think the movie itself was disappointing.

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I don't think, I really don't think it comes down because they
both got a minus cinnamon scoresand let's be honest, they open
within $7,000,000 of each other.But F4 looks like it's going to
have a bigger second weekend drop.
The rumor is the rumor is 60% asa we.
Had a couple of good weekdays here matching Superman close but
close to it. But I just again feel like the

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rewatch ability of the second movie might be more of a
deterrent than actually saying that the movie's not good.
I think people went and see saw Superman 2-3 times.
They would see Fantastic Four once like me.
And you know, I mean, my, my wife wants to see it.
I'm going to take her to see it,but wasn't really in a hurry.

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We're not we're not doing it this weekend.
So if we go see it, it's going to be on its after its second
weekend. We're going to we're not going
to we're not going to rush rightout and see it.
So little bit strange there, my guys.
So I think that's probably what it comes down to.
I also think that of course, like you said, the MCU is just
not I think people are kind of tired.

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Yeah. Stuffing's going on.
Yeah, it does not have the loyalfan base that it once did.
And I'm going to tell you what is we sit here today and we and
we get into that 2026 slate. It would be real hard for me to
to use Spider Man as a barometer.

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But that will be the key to see what that movie does because I'm
assuming that that just all systems go Spidey opens huge
again. I think I think that, but you
know Z, you know, you talked a little bit about the new norm
and, and what do you mean by that?
You think maybe the new norm is is lower, right?
I mean. Yeah.

(20:03):
So I, I know I put out a really long thread just talking about
Superman's box office success and things like that.
And I had mentioned that I stillfeel like we're now reverting
back to what the comic will be John or was before, meaning that
like, I think 700 million is going to be the new billion.
I think that's going to be like the floor for a lot of these

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movies, and anything billion is going to be like the big
tentpole movies like your Avengers and your Justice
League, things like that. And ladies and gentlemen, live
liar. I guess.
Live. We are not live, we are live.
Mother. Ladies and.
Gentlemen making making an appearance from band camp.

(20:47):
Nico Caruso has phoned in. Nico, how you doing Sir?
Thank you for joining us. These mother Hubbard's tried to
do a show without me. And I.
And I hold on. Wait wait, wait.
I'm going to call Lex V39 with two hosts.
It's not a show. It's an it, not the show without

(21:09):
3 hosts and I won't have it. Maybe you should have been like,
shit I I was doing over there, huh Galileo?
Himself, he never had a podcast,but I, I will.
I will show. Up.
He's doing his Lex Luthor right.How you doing over there, Mutant
legs? What's up, brother?

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At a work meeting that went way shorter than I thought and now I
could be here. So I'm sorry to interrupt the.
Flow. Here I am everyone, in case you
were enjoying the show more without me being here, I'm sorry
for you. No, this is.
Great man. So I heard the last thing I
heard, and then you, I'll rephrase and then Zeddy keep

(21:52):
going before I started dancing to get your attention, to put me
on the screen. Because.
Because I'm like, you going to make me wait till he finishes
his point. Yeah, I'm going to bring you in
at the very end of the show. You said something like 700
million is the new billion, Yeah.
Yeah, so your dad and I were pretty much just talking about
like Superman's box office performance as and now like it's

(22:12):
going to be, it's clearly going to be the highest grossing DC
movie since The Batman. It's going to hit 300 million
domestic. And then we literally just
briefly touched on Fantastic Four's box office.
So I guess I'll give you a chance since you've obviously of
the three of us to be there, youwere the biggest F4 championer.
So what's your take on Superman and F4 overall, Nico?

(22:33):
You know, it's crazy and I said I would do this.
And then we'll and then we'll bring in the box office in full
circle, yeah. If there's anything, I'm honest,
I yeah, I was, I was wrong aboutthe box office completely.
It's going to end up literally the opposite that I had it.
I had F4, Superman, Jurassic. It's going to be literally
flipped. I let, I let a lot of like

(22:54):
initial reporting like get to me, which looking back now, it
is so funny how off the early word on all these movies were.
They were telling you Jurassic was like going to be low.
And then it was like 300 million, it's opening weekend.

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And I'm like, well, that's not what they said.
Then the Superman and F4 numbers, like the weeks before,
they were so high. And then for both of them, I
could almost promise you for both of them, it was like 2
weeks before it was like 95 to 120 and they never moved.

(23:39):
They both never moved. So it's like I was thinking
about this today. One I think is Superman.
I am impressed with what Superman is doing.
I want to put that out there domestically.
It's very impressive. It's actually annoying to me.
I know people are like get used to the 700 is the new billion Z
because I think you're right. But what's annoying about that

(24:01):
is like 3 years ago, Superman's making a billion dollars.
Like 3 years ago, it would be like it would be already hitting
seven and you would be like, allright, is it going to go 8 or 9,
right? Like is it going to get to to a
billion? And we would have been like, oh
man, right. F4 would have even be higher,

(24:23):
right? Jurassic would have already hit
a billion by now. It's like, so it's it's annoying
though, because like, I'm going to go back to a tweet I saw
weeks ago. You could almost say anything
you want about Superman's box office.

(24:43):
And you're kind of right. Like is it about no, Is it what
everyone hoped and thought it would be?
No. Is it really impressive the way
it's doing it right now? Yes.
However, is it like the best sort of worldwide proof that DC

(25:05):
is going to be massive? Not really.
And because like I like Supergirl and Clayface won't do
this. I don't think Supergirl might
get close, but I don't think they will.
So it's like, so this might, they might open with like the
biggest thing they have and thenreally tell like Wonder Woman.
So it's fascinating of like my opinion is I think some

(25:27):
hyperbole around certain things with Superman are bothering me.
Some doom and gloom and bias against Fantastic Four is
starting to bother me too. Which is ironic 'cause I'm a
bigger DC fan and yet in the last couple years I do feel such
a tie to Marvel and I don't really know why F4 is
disappointing. It's disappointing for me 'cause

(25:48):
I do care about that social proof.
I tweeted this couple days ago and a lot of people respond and
tell me I shouldn't care and youare all really nice people I
know. But like this if this movie
makes less than like Ant Man 2, I hate that because I will have
to see that forever. Nobody thinks really about the
times. That's too much thought.

(26:11):
You know what I mean? Like I'm going to look back and
go wow, F4 crawled to 500 million and I think it's the
best. I'm, I think it's a top ten MCU
movie and it's like nobody else,just nobody cares that much.
Like the people who are seeing it are loving it, but it's like,
I think people are right. I I, I look at how this went and

(26:32):
yeah, I think Marvel should havemoved movies.
I wasn't. I was so anti that.
Right. Were you listening?
No. You didn't hear what we said.
We. I heard nothing until I hopped
on. So like, you guys are right.
So I won't Even so like Carlos, like Anthony Caruso, like guys
that we love have been saying that forever and we were like,
no man. Like they're they're still the
smallest of the three. They look like geniuses.

(26:53):
They look like geniuses DC does for sticking to their guns.
Feige gambled and he lost. Now.
Feige's on a weird streak now. Feige's on a really weird streak
because he keeps thinking he's fine and he's not.
Because I if I'm shocked, then he's got to be shocked.
So forget about future whatever.All I'll say is there is

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something poetic, if you will. At least still now.
I don't. This feeling might change and
it'll be anecdotes that we tell on these shows years down the
line, right? It is pretty poetic how
connected F4 and Superman are. All the scores are almost
audience critic mentions. They're almost identical.
The box office was almost identical.

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They both embrace source material in ways not a lot of
CBMS do right. They're like the first heroes of
Marvel, the first real DC1, right?
Like it's so fat. Like they're so and, and it's
funny. There's things that suit,
there's there's things about F4,there's things that F4 does

(28:02):
better that like make me think about Superman, but then I'll
think about Superman and I'm like, well, Superman has some
some things I even wish F4 went a little crazier and weirder
than it did, you know, So I got to give Superman credit, right?
Like, you know, maybe a little more of mole man, you know, like
maybe that could have been fun. Like maybe they should have kept
the John Malkovich thing in there with the apes.

(28:24):
Like that would have been do youknow what I mean?
So like, you know, because gun would have you know her blah
blah. So my, I tip my cap to Superman.
I do think comic book movies arein a strange place and we'll see
because I don't know if people are like that.

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Superman's good, but why are we going to start over with one?
And people really are like, let's get to Spider Man and
Doomsday. And then we got a bounce as you
know what I mean? Because now I'm like, I still
think Spidey numbers will be high, but I could see a world
where like Doomsday, like it's like ends up like just crossing

(29:04):
a billion. Like I'm talking like you're,
you're like, wow, Avengers Doomsday and Secret Wars made
less than like Deadpool Wolverine, you know what I mean?
Like that's crazy. I don't know, I'm just saying.
So a lot of things, I do want tosay one thing though, I, I do
want to be pretentious because Iwant to end this with some fire.
And I know I've been talking fora while.

(29:25):
So then I I'll shut up for a while.
I did see a tweet today that said Marvel should never try to
go toe to toe in DC again. Listen to me.
Let's, let's, let's listen. I know you got the win now,
Superman fans, but on God's green earth if Spidey and
Clayface went next to each other.

(29:46):
It. Would be a massacre and you know
that. So I think you got to say Marvel
should never go against ADCA list high priority release.
That's. With a smaller thing, because

(30:08):
you put Clayface. Don't say that when you got
Clayface coming with with all original characters with all
original characters. That's the plot of the
substance. A Blumhouse big budget DCU film,
according. To.
That's what I'm saying. So yeah.
And Blumhouse. We'll talk about left and.
Right. So Blumhouse is, is, is wetting

(30:30):
the bed in the last four years they're putting out is.
So that's all I got, yeah. Did you see my Reed Richards
Cup, everybody? I did see a Reed Richards Cup,
actually. It looks kind of invisible to
me. Can you bring it closer?
What if I told you I went to? I'm not going to tell you.
You probably went to like 3-3 different legal theaters and an

(30:52):
AMC theater just to get that. I did go to three.
There's a lot of the thing. If you want the Thing Cup, you
could go today. And get it.
Does it say it's clobbering timewhen you when you like, click
the button or something? No, if you want Johnny Reed or
Sue, especially Reed, you betterput those boots on.

(31:12):
You better put those boots on and you better have AMCA list.
So three of those trips could befree.
If you got to pay for a ticket to get in, you're going to be.
Oh man, so. Yeah.
Anyway, Dad, do you normally like to steer things?
Take the wheel. No, no, take the wheel.
I, I think that you, you, you know, you came into the flow of

(31:35):
what we were talking about as far as and I.
Would you say I elevated the conversation?
No. I would you like, do you think
you both were doing well before I got?
Here, I'm not sure where we're at right now.
I I where. Where do we go now?
I think we're. Like hey guys, guys, would the
runtime have worked better if you got?
Me out with the pacing had. Been better.

(31:55):
We're gonna hitch run this part out.
This didn't test well. Minutes.
That the movie did. I think we're like in the pocket
universe right now and we're kind of floating above that.
What are they called? Hold on.
I got a funny bookend. Yeah.
If there was, if this was a testscreening right now that ended
right now, Yeah. How do you think the audience

(32:16):
would rate my addition? Is it like saving the squirrel
or is it the the Luther getting blood on his shoes?
Yeah. Does it stay or does it go get?
The blood on the shoes. You know, or is this that the
Guy Gardner calling Superman or what's or is it that one also
too? Listen, listen, I, I still, you
know, to, to and, and see, I'll give this to you then.

(32:38):
I still think F4 really did suffer from being too close to
Superman because I, I, I said before you came on, I think it's
probably a better overall movie,But coming from the vibes of
Superman, which felt really positive and electrifying.
And like even the people that tried to hate Superman, they,

(33:02):
they were wrong because it was auplifting movie.
It ends with that song. Everybody was like on the
Superman high movie holds. Well, It's not that it opened up
like so wonderful, but it it hada had a second week low drop and
then all of a sudden you got theF4 coming and it's like, you

(33:23):
know, I think a lot of people, Itold you this, Nick, we talked
about it. I think a lot of people spent
their money on Superman and said, yeah, I don't have the
money to spend on Fantastic Four.
I'm not going to run and go I'm not going to run and go see it
right now. I'm going to I'm going to wait
for it. I think, and I agree with I I
didn't know Carlos and Anthony and all the guys were saying
that, but Zee and I were saying before you came on, they should

(33:44):
have moved in hindsight. It's always easy to look at
these things now again, how muchmore would they have done if
they moved it? Would they have done We're
semantics here are what they aretoo.
Wouldn't have opened up one 35140 At the end of the day,
maybe it doesn't even matter here.
It may maybe it doesn't. I'm of the firm belief that I

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and I know people get mad that there is comic book fatigue.
I had said that we were at a party over the weekend with some
college and high school people and none of those people saw any
of these movies. It's just not it's just not the
the cool thing anymore. I mean, we got to be honest with
each other here. And I know the demographics are
still under 35, but I don't think the adolescents, the 12 to

(34:30):
18 year olds are running out to see these movies.
I really don't. I think there's the little kids
going with their parents and then I think it's like the over
18 year olds going. I Something was proven to me.
Actually, I just thought of this.
Something was just proven to me.But these movies, I, I can't
believe I didn't even think of this till right now.

(34:52):
Which character did that demographic go out for though
just recently? No, no, no.
Even more than Superman. Deadpool.
Deadpool. Yeah.
And I remember after. Deadpool.
Hold on, because of things like that are actually in Amazon's
The Boys, The Boys, The boys I thought was done.

(35:16):
I didn't like season 4. I thought it was done.
The numbers the boys season 4 did were like ungodly.
They were like Galactus level numbers.
And I remember like every college, I remember last summer,
every high school and college person, we're like, are you

(35:37):
watching the boys? All my friend Zeddy, all the
guys we know, Dan Dimitri, like Brandon, all of them, They watch
the boys still and they had to go see Deadpool and Wolverine.
And it's like, wow, that vibe I guess still is kind of there
with those entities. I don't think you could like put
like a Punisher movie in theaters now and have it do the

(35:59):
same. I don't I might not take.
It's just the right. It's the.
Right thing. It's the right.
It's like the two things people feel like I got to finish the
boys I and and and the spin off does number.
So like I like the boys story. I'm gonna stick with it.
That Deadpool guy, so freaking funny.
I'm gonna stick with him for a bit.
Oh, and The Wolverine. Yeah, everyone knows you
Jackman, right? So yeah, isn't that fascinating?

(36:22):
Fascinating. So that those two things, like
really with that demographic, the one you just said, you're
right, because the people, youngpeople used to go see these
comic book movies and all the people I work with, none of them
utter Superman or F4 to me. I bring it.
Yeah. Yeah, so like they're not even
into the the stuff anymore like that.

(36:43):
So that's it's crazy. It that's, that's really wild.
That's really wild. Yeah, no, it and like I still
feel like that it's another thing to a much larger equation
here is that Marvel is just hitting and swinging and missing
like every like, I mean, like Thunderbolts is one of the most
best reviewed comic movies in like some time.

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And the thing like didn't even make 400 million.
I mean, it's like, and now it's like now we go over to D side
and yeah, I mean supergoing. I mean, we were going to talk
about a little later, but I guess we might as well just
bring it up now. And rain at home. 2026.
Supergirl and Clayface or the movies next year and then it's
Spider Man Doomsday and if Doomsday moves out of next year,
it's literally those three. Because I, I feel like at this

(37:25):
point now, I mean, if you're talking about if Spider Man
can't do a billion, there's no way that Foggy keeps Doomsday in
the next year because. Don't you think doomsday with?
Having what is it? I mean isn't Dune also like next
to it? There's no way, no, But I mean
there's. There's like a bunch of other
family and there's Shrek. 5I mean there's no way that 5 is.

(37:46):
Going to go away. Doomsday holds that date.
Right, Nicole? No, I actually think Dune is
going to move. I I think they like the March
drop again. Like March in the 20. 20 they
own Yeah, because they own June Part 2 owned March.
Last. Yeah, that.
Didn't it did it didn't stop like they it it it owned March.

(38:08):
And what's crazy is 3 will be bigger, 3 will be bigger because
there's a lot of people who jumped on for two.
It's the last one. 3 is going to3/3 has a shot to be like
internationally if they end up being a new IT again. 3 is going
to 3 has a chance to really pushceiling because you're going to
add like Pattinson, Taylor Joy. I'm not saying like their box

(38:32):
office, but to general people who kind of know those people
that they're like, Oh my God, they're in Dune as well.
Now. Batman's the villain in Dune 3,
you know what I mean? Like that gives some juice to
people. Not that you're going to go see
the solo Robert Pattinson movie,but you'll see him fight Timmy,
right? But you really think that that

(38:55):
Doomsday's going to play and only have a week or two?
I, I don't, I don't think it's staying there.
I don't think so. I think Doomsday.
I think you're, I think Doomsday's moving, dude.
I, I, I maybe February. I just, it's too crowded.
You can't release a movie that big and have tentpole franchises

(39:15):
like Avatar and some stuff coming out.
I mean unless it comes out I'm Idon't know the dates maybe?
No, Avatar won't be coming out. Will.
It Avatar is this year. Oh yeah.
Next year is like Dune, Trek 5, Shrek 5, Stump, something else.
So I mean. Shrek 5.
It's gonna be really. Big.
It's still going to have a lot of competition though, so I

(39:35):
mean. I know that sounds like a joke,
but Trek 5 is. Going to be no, it's going to be
huge. It's yeah that can't.
Be. That that's a gamble, but the
Nico. And then I also think I'll let
you touch on this lightly because I know you've kind of
been a little adamant. Then we'll move over to the DC
stuff. I promise everybody.
So I didn't mention it. I I think I know I had said 700

(39:56):
is the new billion, but I literally think like these
movies, if you're not like a Justice League and an Avengers
or a Batman Superman movie, whatever, whatever you want to
say. I think 507 hundred, maybe 507
fifty if I had to be really specific and narrow it down.
Is the range that we got to lookat like it's literally back to
like you're. Right.

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Page 1 three. You know, I mean, if a movie's
lucky to break 800, it does it. But I that's where we're at now.
I mean, granted, Spider Man's probably going to make a billion
and if it doesn't, then we're introuble.
I would, I would think so. Made a billion and the last one
was one of the biggest movies ofall time.
So. Yeah, You got to remember this
international market not having those big numbers in, in certain

(40:40):
countries to add that extra 100 million to it.
Because I mean, look, if if Superman had some success in
China and a few other places, itprobably could have got to 700
million and a $700 million out of the gate Superman movie.
I mean, that's really it's a success anyway it's going to.
But that would have really been something, right?

(41:02):
It would really if it winds up doing, if it wound up doing like
7 and a quarter or something like that's really dude, what
the international market and I'mit's, I don't think it has
anything to do with. Let me ask you something about
spider man. Let me ask you something about
spider man. I know no way home was what it
was like that that's it's hard to what do you think far from

(41:28):
homemade internationally. I don't, I know it was riding
off end game but. Yeah.
I was, I was just going to say it probably hit the seven.
I mean, it almost did 400 here. Let's be fair, that's a lot of
money. A lot of money.
You think Brand New Day does these numbers?
I don't. I don't think so.

(41:48):
I don't think so. I mean, I think it goes higher
than these two, don't you? Well, yeah, I think.
I easily. I think what Z said, I think the
Spider Man is the high end of the new norm and the new norm
would be 7 fifty 800 million. Like I don't even know if if if
if it hits the Deadpool Wolverine number which which is.

(42:09):
AI would say that might be the floor if anything for maybe
brand new day, what whatever that is.
I mean, it's a you're bringing asolo Spidey film back and you
don't have the other two guys inthere.
And I know he's going to have some other MCU characters in
there. But again, it's a grounded
Spider Man story we're led to believe.
Dude, it sounds great. It's it sounds it sounds

(42:31):
fantastic. It.
Sounds like everything it sounds.
It sounds really good. It sounds like everything we
wanted, but I again, I I believein the strength of the
character, but I just think the billion dollars just it's not
quite there anymore. It's just hard.
Having said that, watch it open to 250 million and whatever, but

(42:52):
I just don't have a lot. We talked the other day, son.
I even think like doomsday, likeI don't think anything's hitting
2 billion anymore. I I don't, I think, I think no
1.5 billion for doomsday Secret wars.
I think they'd be generally really pretty happy with that.
They see these numbers look lesspeople are going to the
theaters. It's it's just a, it's just a

(43:13):
fact that 10 years ago. What do you both think Avatar
Three does? Well, Avatar 3 is the anomaly.
It it probably crosses it, it gets to the $2 billion.
Bar you think you think it'll keep doing that.
Yeah, I do. What about UCI?
Don't think it's going to hit 2 billion, but I do think that
it's definitely going to hit a billion because I think there's

(43:35):
there's drop off like there's like even the second one had a
little bit of a drop off to the first.
You know how big of AI? Don't know but it's penciled in
for a billion. Unless the third one is like the
best received of like of the Avatar movies and it's like
revolutionary. I'll tell you what.

(43:55):
It. Looks like it looks like the
best one by a mouth. But.
We'll see. The trailer for 2 was boring.
This trailer is fucking fuel. It's it's lighter fluid.
Yeah, in in my tuckus like I'm ready to blast off He's.
Going to buy. He's going to buy another
popcorn, this guy. Right, let, let, let's keep,

(44:17):
let's go back to DC, let, let's see.
I was just thinking like you said, 'cause I was talking.
About the Peacemaker. Yeah, right.
I I want to talk about gun and Iwant to talk about two things
specifically I want to talk about.
Do you really want to do you? Really want going into
Peacemaker too. What do we expect?
And then I still want to touch on his, his affirmation that

(44:41):
Pattinson won't be the DCU Batman, but might still be the
DCU Batman. Let's talk about Peacemaker.
I, I, I, I am interested in Peacemaker.
I feel like after watching this new trailer, for some reason I'm
not as excited as I was when I saw the first trailer.

(45:02):
Now I'm going to tell you why itis for me.
I got a taste of the Superman world and I want more of that,
OK. Like I would I wouldn't want
that world to continue like now,right?
Like I was Supergirl was coming out now, like I'm looking for
that. Like I'm not really looking.
And he said it's raunchy and it's bad.

(45:22):
It's not for kids. And if he's telling you that,
like, you know, we haven't even seen anything in the trailer
that how raunchy and just probably just bad it's going to
be. So I, I, and I don't really feel
like it's Canon. I understand, but it just
doesn't feel like it fits what we just saw with Superman.

(45:45):
So we're going from the beginning of the DCU and now
we're going back to the shit hole.
And that's no disrespect to, to peacemaker, because if the first
season was decent and I better come away liking this, But what
do you guys think? It's a it's a strong like we're
right back here. We've been there with the ranch.
We got to wait for it. It's so like, it was beautiful

(46:07):
and now we're back to watch. I have two-part 2 I two-part
response. And then Zeddy, go ahead.
Yeah, go. Ahead first one is I totally
agree. I just I I my biggest praise of
the Superman movie and I've beenhard on some things this week
very publicly, but my biggest praise of it is it is the most

(46:29):
DC movie there is. It feels so much like DCI love
it. I am James Gunn.
Show me it's it's it's an unlimited toy chest.
Oh my God, and I want that. I do not want to go back to I do
not want to go back to this. I am so I'm the trailer I was
into but like when I take a stepback I'm like if it were up to

(46:53):
me this would not be happening. Yeah.
What I think is funny about it, and I'm going to make this a
joke. I'm not going to bring it up in
a in a in a difficult way, but this story is Peacemaker goes to

(47:14):
another universe. So I was just going to say.
Hold on, Character has a situation where where there's a
better ideal life. Character wants that.
The first conflict ensues. There is a subplot conflict.
That is the reason why you feel so bad and want to be in that
world. You're going to have to deal
with that. Confront yourself.

(47:34):
The characters who are around you now are going to have to
help you understand that you need to sacrifice that because
this is your reality. It is the most derivative story.
I mean, we've seen I'm a little hard on gun.
I'm going to keep being hard on gun because I think he's a one
or two trick pony. He is Peacemaker seat and it

(47:55):
hits. It's fine because he's good at
it. But it's like I'm now seeing
enough projects of him where nowit's too much of a sample size
for me. Now I'm like, all right, gone in
nine in, in in 3 movies as Christmas special, 2 DC movie, 6
cartoon Peacemaker in about 8 or9 projects.
I'm getting a lot of the same stuff from you or from the

(48:18):
genre. It's not really different.
OK, so he does it well, but I think it can make me go.
So my second point is I don't really need this story right
now. I don't need to see this story
for this Peacemaker character right now.
Like, I don't feel like that this is adding anything new.
And then he says it's going to be loaded with cameos, UDC fans,

(48:42):
and I'm one of them. And I know some of you listen.
You're. Friends of mine.
You're friends of mine you're friends of mine.
I know you. Some of you who are very loud
about anti marvel. The three words, multiple
dimensions, universes, whatever variants, cameos.
Now, I thought those were the naughty words.

(49:04):
I thought those were the slop words.
Because it's gone. It's fine.
It's DC, it's fine. And you know, it's funny.
It's hilarious to me because youknow, that's the truth.
It let yourself admit it tomorrow.
Yes, we hate all these things when it's Marvel, but because
it's DC, Hell yeah. I love that.
Embrace that. That's the type of rivalry I
want to see. But I need you to be honest and

(49:25):
say it's that because he gives you the three buzzwords.
He gives you the three buzzwordsthat are bad that are bad.
What about you? Are you ready to jump into It's
a Peacemaker or, or I mean, again, we're coming off of
Superman High now, right? I mean, this is the next thing
we got. Love, love it or not like it.

(49:46):
What do you what do you think? I mean, am I excited for.
Yeah, I'm, I'm excited to see it.
I mean, the story that they're the rumored plot, I guess for
for lack of a better term, that Nico listed, it's nothing fresh.
I mean, you know, his Guardians movies, we gave them such a
passage. They were so fresh and exciting
at the time that they came out that, you know, it didn't matter

(50:07):
if it was something we've seen before, it was just so unique at
the time. And then the Suicide Squad and
Peace Banker Season 1 felt the way more similar than I think
anybody was giving credit for. It the whole, the whole villain,
the mind, literally. Just feels like oh I came from.
The Waller again. Yeah, it's like I'm like, Oh my
God, it's just fine. Just calling for what it is.

(50:27):
Same beats, same character types, yeah.
But I love John Cena I I love them in a hole.
But like. His.
Comments are like this season sets up what the DCU is going to
be moving forward. I'm interested on I mean, but I
don't know, like what you do outof Peacemaker that really sets
that up outside of maybe he joins the Justice Gang, which is

(50:49):
probably going to happen. But it's it's interesting, like
I don't know if this is the right one.
I still would have followed up Superman on.
That's what I'm saying. Do I think it's going to be well
with you? Do I think that US fans are
going to watch it and probably love it?
Yeah, I do. But we'll see.
That one's in a weird spot for me because, like, he's he really
like in every interview that he's been on and then we'll move

(51:10):
on. He's always like, well, let's
not forget about Peacemaker. Like, you know, Peacemakers
coming, coming next, right. Like, it's always like the last
thing on people's minds, like, yeah.
But you know. If you listen to some people on
Twitter. It's his baby, yeah.
That's what it is. It's just like if Here's what I
get a kick out of. If you listen to people on
Twitter, they would have you believe that Peacemaker is a

(51:32):
household name. I don't know who's watching
Peacemaker, but I. Know.
It's and I know they gave it to him and I understand that there
had to be some ratings, even though I can't find anywhere to
tell me what Peacemaker Season 1did.
I cannot find any metrics anywhere to really drive home
what kind of viewership that it had with any credibility, right.

(51:54):
And I don't think it is a it don't think it is a household
name. I think it is a pet project of
his. And I know Cena's popular dude,
but I don't know. I know a lot of wrestling fans.
I know we were just one with theother day, a nephew of mine
who's a big wrestling guy. But he doesn't watch Peacemaker.
He's not. He doesn't like Cena as an

(52:15):
actor. That's not his thing.
He liked him as a wrestler. He doesn't watch that stuff.
And a lot of people are like that.
So I don't. You're right.
Gunn has to go out of his way toremind people.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a second.
Now. You know, before Supergirl,
Before Lanterns. Yeah.
Peacemaker and I too am weary saying that like this whole

(52:35):
thing he's doing, you have to watch Peacemaker like because
it's vital to the direction of where this is going.
And again, listen, I don't know.I'll be the first to tell you.
Maybe we watch it. It's great.
It sets everything up. No, it like, I don't know.
I don't know. Like, that's my thing.
Like it? It's probably good.

(52:57):
I'm not insulting him when I sayhe's a one or two trick pony
because this stuff works. I just think like I, I have this
thing with some artists right where I, I, I like seeing change
and his DC stuff all kind of feels the same.
And cause a lot of it comes fromthings you like about guardians

(53:19):
and I just think the guardians characters just like worked a
little more in his process. So it's like another show with
the familiar story, but like, his goal is to get you to care
about Peacemaker. Here's what I don't want.
I don't need you to try to do that for me.
Can you grab the next big name in DC and keep pushing it that?

(53:42):
Way right. Let me put it to this way.
I don't want John Cena anywhere near the ensemble team that they
put together. And that's what it will.
It won't cheapen it for me. I don't know how good it is.
It's, it's like our The Avengers, whatever you want to
call him, I, I, I would rather have the Justice Gang in there.

(54:07):
It's nothing against Cena. I'm just not a huge fan of the
character. I've seen him now in Suicide
Squad and I've seen him in a show and he's good.
I'm not saying that, but the character doesn't work for me as
a major player or even a team member on a Justice League.

(54:28):
And I don't worry that he's going to shoehorn him in there
and make him a part of of that. And that's that's look, that's
what he does. James Gunn, he falls in love
with a with a particular guy andhe's going to put him in there.
So that that's my that's my big thing.
The next thing I want to get to is again, you know, we keep

(54:49):
beating the Batman thing crazy. But it's so funny because I
believe he wants, he can't convince Reeves and Pattinson to
come over. I think he's already got it
written. He almost admitted one time he's
got the door, he's got the way for.
What do you guys think? Do you think that you think he's

(55:11):
got? You think he's got it and he
just can't convince those guys to do it or what 'cause that
makes all the sense in the world.
And somebody tweeted earlier andI retweeted it.
I got to get this guy. I should have had the thing, but
in my mind, I don't know how youguys feel about this.
I'm going to let you guys talk. I'm done.
There's no doubt in my mind thatPattinson can crossover, be a

(55:34):
part of a team, meet Superman and then he can go back to his
movie in Reefs and you never have to mention other heroes.
The story could be self-contained within Gotham.
You never have to feel any. You just don't.
You can do it. They can.
Do it. Yours.
You've had a Batman then I've read actually, like there's no

(55:56):
way he's he's writing around in green in, in Hal Jordan's green
bubble flying around. And then in the next book I pick
up he is. So go ahead.
Here's the thing. I I subscribe to that yes, I
think it could happen. I want you to picture what
Pattinson's Batman looks like inhis movie.

(56:17):
Then picture what that Superman movie looks like and you tell me
if they could stand next to eachother, there's no way.
Why the look at the suits that the Justice Games got their
their cheeks you. Would have to change Batman's
whole costume and you would haveto film him differently.
He can't be in in that bright oflight.
He'll look ridiculous. He'll look, I promise you.

(56:39):
He'll look, He'll look silly. He'll looks, He'll look like.
He'll look like cosplay next to how.
He never really filmed Affleck in the bright of day either,
except for except for the Flash movie and he didn't look the
best I know in those scenes in those scenes.
Yeah, Batman, I have a hot. He doesn't look I'm like you,
just character. Not look good in light.

(57:01):
No, the character. Shouldn't be in light?
At most of them. Yeah, most of.
Them Nolan's, you don't. You don't have to do those
scenes. They could be night scenes.
They could be like BVI. You don't have to do that.
When we saw Affleck in The Flash, that opening scene was
good, but the more you see it, it doesn't look as good.

(57:22):
Affleck don't look as good in that blue outfit and he just
bloated his face. The uniform, it doesn't look.
It was cute, it was good. It was pure comic book, The
Flash, the opening. But I just think that you can't
really film Batman like that. I don't think he's a character
that can walk around in the daylight and do that.

(57:43):
So I you can, but that doesn't mean you can't make a Justice
League movie. Look what Zach did with him.
He looked beautiful in that movie, but you never really do
see him in the sunlight or anything like that.
It it it's all it is what it is.What do you think?
See, I mean, it is this you think?
Don't you think guns going crazytrying to convince Reeves and
Reeves is like no. Yeah, I mean, I don't think you

(58:04):
can take it anywhere. It's a shit hole.
I mean, like it's like it's the worst problem anybody should
want to have is is what do I do with the one guy that I should
have the absolute keys to the Kingdom to?
Because now that the really, themore you think about it, yeah,
all signs would point to he wants to do the bite, hopeful,
light hearted Batman, what with with the sun, who he who he

(58:25):
can't control or the sun that always talks back to him.
Like the the the dynamic is certainly going to be Damien's,
you know, going to be annoying as all hell and Batman's going
to be the the father that has toput up with him.
I mean, you know, like that's a dynamic.
He he wants to tell Bruce Wayne that day Batman at night.
That's how I always, I, I alwayslook at it, but I still think

(58:48):
he's. So the way he's like trying to
talk about Batman is so interesting to me because he
like he does the thing where that dig that he, that he threw
at least was very interesting tome.
Yeah, 'cause he almost like didn't mean to do it, but he
said it. Yeah, like.
He could have not meant it, but like.
What? Exaggeration that.
Like he was like, oh, the one ofthem was good.
It's great. And I'm looking for writers that

(59:08):
don't take two plus years to write their scripts 'cause
we're. He's smarter than that.
He. Likes that and then like he'll
say the thing. Well, Yep, I write the script
script's good, but we got we gota few more things we got to iron
out, but I I like the direction we're heading.
Well, like Matt, like what is itA or B?
Like is it, are you, are you happy with, with what Reeves is?
Doing like, how about all the people nobody talks about that

(59:28):
quote? How about all the people who
said Reeves doesn't take notes from gun?
Yeah, now all of a. Sudden like does he?
Yeah. I think he might have to,
actually. So like, that's what I'm saying.
Like, unless this thing is secretly tied to the DCU, why
does it matter so much? Right?
Like, like, why can't he just say, you know, my, my waving the
bulls going good. It's taking a little, you know,

(59:50):
taking a little long, but we're going to get there eventually.
Why does it all have to be tied up?
It's like the Batman two. I like.
It's so like gun. Gun either has a hand in it or
he doesn't like. That's why I'm convinced at this
point I don't know what do what do.
What do you think, Niko? No, I think, I think everything
Gun has said is a power move to Mary's.

(01:00:10):
Yeah. No, I believe it.
He he's too. They're too smart.
They're too smart guns too smart.
Like as much as I give him shit,like I he he's smart.
He's he, he's a smart guy. That's why he is where he is.
He when they said what director do you want?
He said Matt Reeves. And then when he said Matt

(01:00:30):
Reeves, one of the only directors who understands like
he's trying to be like, I like this guy so much.
Matt, Matt, look at what I'm doing to you.
They all want you to join me. They don't want you to join me.
I want you to join me. People are going to start
turning on you. You do you honestly really then
he wants Matt to do the OR like whatever it is.
Like if the movie ends up flipping in in A1 or the other

(01:00:52):
like do you really think he wants Matt to do the Batman or
his his Batman in ADCU? It just feels like that's like
that's the I. Think so What's?
Kept secret in in Hollywood right now is yeah, that maybe
he's he's riding the Batman. Can you imagine if he does both?
Could you imagine if Reeves does?
Well, I can see, well maybe gunswriting in it and Reeves is

(01:01:14):
directing or. Isn't that fascinating?
Yeah, or so. But well, the only thing, Nico,
I want you to touch this, then Iwant to go over to Mr. C because
there was some other things thatlike Gunn had bought up.
He didn't confirm the Jimmy Olson or the Mr. Terrific spin
offs, but he did also say that he doesn't expect, don't expect
Flash or Aquaman in the next twoyears.

(01:01:37):
I guess was was his timeline plays his memo as Lobo and
Supergirl says that he's going to be outstanding.
So that's fun and then he says the authority swamping and
Sergeant Walker still all to be determined as of right now.
But how you guys feel. So no Flash or Aquaman in the

(01:01:58):
next two years is his. Timeline.
That pains me, but I get it. Like I think they could just
move forward with all these things now.
But like, I get it, you have to wait a little bit.
I love a lot of what he said in this interview because I do.
I do think he has cool plans forthe universe.

(01:02:21):
I think he will always put a little too much of himself
though. So we're going to get probably
some more things like Peacemaker, Creature Commandos,
and I'm not that into, but you're right, he didn't talk
about those projects. He's excited about Wonder Woman.
I'm very excited about that. Yeah.

(01:02:42):
And he also like, it's been likein for a while now, like.
Yeah. So like he gave, he gave Wonder
Woman, like right after that, why there was someone Supergirl,
He's like, I want you to stop doing what you're doing on Teen
Titans and do Wonder Woman. So yeah.
The. Titans go on now, you know,
yeah. His Titans dance lately is
weird. Yeah.
I don't know what I believe anymore because he he has now

(01:03:03):
said things that are 100% contradictory.
So he saw a draft, but he hasn'tseen but.
Then he said it was. Yeah, he's that's he won't talk
about that one. He struggled to talk about that
one. And they never bring it up to
him on any shows he's on. He must tell them.
Don't ask me about that one. Fascinating.

(01:03:23):
Yeah. I I I don't, I don't know.
He he he fascinates me. I think he's the guy.
I think he's the guy who sees the world.
I actually just wish he would pull back a little bit.
I would actually like to not seehim direct anything else for a
while until Superman or jail or something.
I would like to see him take a step back, but I think he's

(01:03:45):
always going to be so forward facing that that might benefit
this universe or it might hurt it.
Because even with this Peacemaker podcast stuff, not
like there's a lot of him. There's a lot of him right now.
He's about to be with you, like through like through the fall
with this Peacemaker show. Do this podcast and stuff.

(01:04:06):
It's a lot of James Gunn. People get tired of you fast.
Everyone's turning on Pedro right now, right?
It, it, it, it comes at everyone.
When you get too big, people start coming for you.
Yeah. It'll happen to Chalamet
probably in the next 2-3 years. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, Mr. St., where's your headat?
Yeah, I mean, listen, I, I, I. Look, here's the thing.

(01:04:31):
We got Peacemaker coming, we're going to have Lanterns, which I
think Lanterns is going to be a big key to this thing too.
I like the fact that he came outand told us what, you know,
what's not going forward. And I think I think that's OK.
I do agree that he's a little bit too much all over the place.
I I just am amazed because I just feel like I thought he

(01:04:55):
would have been a little bit more ahead of the game with some
of the bigger characters. Me too.
And I know that this woman's been working on Wonder Woman,
but unless they announce something soon, I mean, we're
already in August. I mean, I can't believe I've got
my eyes on 2027. And I mean, the only thing we
got in 2027 is the Batman right now, right too.

(01:05:19):
I mean, theoretically they're telling us, right, October 2020,
but there's no other DC project in 2027, right?
Not as of now, no. I mean, what, It's two years
away. Like, when are they going to
announce something? This is?
There was so much momentum from Superman and I half expected

(01:05:40):
him, half I kind of expected it at San Diego Comic Con that we
were going to get more than justPeacemaker.
I thought he was, I thought I was foolish enough to think they
were going to maybe cast Wonder Woman and announce the title of
the movie and say they're going to start shooting it.
So guys, again, we're coming offthe high of Superman going to go

(01:06:00):
into this Peacemaker. I, I, I know I got a feeling
Lanterns could be a game changer, but where's the follow
up, gentlemen? Where where is like just just
writing in like they're I can appreciate all that shit.
They don't have the I understandthat, but they must be so behind
and they just can't find, they just can't finish the script,

(01:06:24):
you know? And I mean, I again, they're not
the MCU where they can do these things on the fly because they
haven't, they haven't earned that.
How can I put it? They haven't earned, you know
what I'm saying, Nico? They haven't, they haven't
earned that ability to do these workshop movies like Marvel does

(01:06:48):
because they, they don't have the, the, the money.
It's something else we had to talk about before we go.
They don't have the money to do it and they don't have the high
caliber actors and actresses that the MCU that they've been
playing these roles for so long.That everyone's.
Now, you don't think Chris Hemsworth, they're adding to

(01:07:10):
this? Everybody's making fun of the
Yeah, it's crazy and orthodox how they do it.
But these guys are writing this movie with the Russo brothers.
They're doing this as they're filming it.
They're filming scenes. And Donnie's going, no, I want
to do it this way. Well, what if we do this?
Oh, my God. And everybody that mocks them,
that's. How they did.

(01:07:31):
No way. How they did it all.
Yeah. How they?
Did it all Andrew and they started ad living and talking
about this and changing the thing sometimes.
It works. That can work for you when
you've got the cachet and you but that's like a a club.
Anybody you turn to double play.You've been working long.
You've been playing together fora long time.

(01:07:52):
You can read each other's thoughts.
You it becomes, Oh my God, it becomes instinctual, if you
will. They don't.
We don't have that in the DCU. We just don't have that yet,
right? I mean, David was questioning
all things on the set and James was telling him to go out for
himself to shut up. Shut that up.
It's my movie. Don't tell me what you did
right. So they don't really have that

(01:08:15):
in the MCU. Everybody's contributing.
People think that's a weakness. I laugh at you and say it's a
strength. I think it's a strength when you
when you build up that kind of cache it.
It worked enough times, then they tried doing it with bad
ones. I just got my time on 2027 and
every day that goes by, and thisincludes The Batman too.

(01:08:39):
If we don't get some production,I'm even talking about like you
don't get some castings and someproduction starting.
Like we don't start hearing about this before Christmas.
I'm not so sure. 2027 could be azero.
It could be a shut up. Now, what do you guys think
about this Warner Brothers thing?
They're laying people off. Yeah.

(01:09:02):
I mean, because studio back and everybody thinks the DCU is like
covered in everything. Oh, it's a separate studio.
No it's not dude. It's for war, guys.
It is a separate studio, but it's owned by Warner Brothers.
No, it's in Warner Brothers. Like, yeah.
And be owned by someone and have.
Compared there's there's not a separate.
Brand. It's called DC students.

(01:09:23):
I like paramounters. Knowing Corp it's it's whatever
LL it's the subject. Of a brand, yeah.
It is correct, but it it does not exist without Warner
Brothers. And like.
What people they can't go out toshareholders that on Warner
Brothers and stakes in these it's the same thing.

(01:09:43):
I don't I don't know why anybodyI'm so.
Tired of everybody like like like people people are like
people are shocked at like the downy stuff and it's just so
annoying. I I, and I'm not even you
defender like this, but you guysare making me this way because
like God damn people, it's like everyone always rips.

(01:10:07):
You're on how they make movies and everything like that and
they're like, well, no, no, no, no gun.
Gun gets complete creative. No, dude.
Now, when you're owned by someone else, Feige gets to do
what he wants because Bob Iger'shis friend Bob Iger.
Bob Iger's friends with Downey. Yeah, it was that Bob Iger's

(01:10:27):
when he brought. Up, Doctor.
Doom The. CEO against like.
Is Vaslov isn't doing but but but So what I'm saying is Zaslov
isn't like that with James Gunn.No, nor is Zaslov his DC guy.
He'll be the first one. If someone tomorrow tells David
Zaslov, hey, DC is cooked, He'll, he'll, he's happy now
because he thinks it's going to be good, right, You know?

(01:10:50):
Yes. So there's some interesting
things. So listen, like I said, we right
now, I guess the focus is peacemaker.
We're going to have to forget about everything.
But you don't much as we're sitting here, I'm expecting any
day, every day when I get on this goofy X app or one of you
guys is going to text me or callme and tell me, hey, such and

(01:11:12):
such was just announced a year. Wonder Woman's coming, this is
coming. I'm just pretty surprised.
We're approaching the second-half of the year.
And if I don't know a lot, but Iknow that DC does not have the
ability to film movies quickly like Marvel does Marvel, love

(01:11:34):
them or hate them? The Fantastic Four did not
suffer because it was filmed fast.
It was a good quality movie. It looked great acting, the
actors were terrific. It kind of suffered from being
the second superhero movie to open.
So DC doesn't do things quickly.And my worry is 2027 because I,

(01:11:55):
I don't think I, I just it, I don't think you can keep
building this brand up if you don't have stuff, if you don't
have stuff situated. Get that.
Get that Javone Javone out of. This I was, I was finding
something for you. Yeah, no.
But then there, there's there's.There's not much more that I can

(01:12:17):
add to it than that. It's.
What did you did you hear the the breaking news?
What? Well, let's see in No, not
Thomas Jefferson's in talks. Brandon Schlennar reportedly in
talks to be Batman in The Wave in the Bold.
That's got to be a joke. Courtesy that's got to.
Be a. Joke.

(01:12:39):
That's funny. No, I don't.
I had a pretentious take that people had.
I didn't mean to cut you off, bythe way.
I'm sorry. No, no, no, no.
You're you're good. Actually, multiple people
disagreed with me, which like I get and like maybe this will
happen, but every actor who's played Batman in cinema has been
like big or has like some serious acclaim to them.

(01:13:00):
I just like don't think they're doing any of these people people
want because I don't know who they are.
And if I don't know who they are, they shouldn't be playing
Batman. You know what I mean?
Like unlike it might be the first actor to play that if they
go this way, it would be like the smallest actor to play
Batman cast like in a whatever ever.

(01:13:21):
Because even Keaton I know he was known for, but like he was
known for comedy like like like Beetlejuice and stuff like him
and Burton like that. That was like a thing, you know?
Isn't it like, isn't it like interesting?
Like he's like the one guy that I always see though that like
people are like. Skelanar.
Which is why he won't be it, youknow, corn Swift and Brie

(01:13:44):
Larson, Yeah, were like the onlytwo that, like, actually
happened. Like, I didn't see Millie Alcock
on a lot of people's fan cast. No.
Yet she got the gig. So it's like, I don't know what.
Word. Everyone wanted the other girl.
You wanted the other girl. Mac Donnelly.
I remember. Well, well, yeah, 'cause I'm
like, no, no, I put lane like. But that's a yeah that to prove.

(01:14:05):
Like the barometer is so like, yeah, Oh yeah.
Like to prove you're listen, whothought it's I don't think
they're spending a lot of money.I mean, you you've kind of heard
the pivot about the MCU, right? What they're going to do?
Big somewhere. They're going to go with young
actors for the X, the new X-Men reboot because they don't want
to pay a lot of money. They were pretty frank about
that. I mean, so I, I, I don't know

(01:14:27):
this kid, I, I probably have to look him up.
I mean he, he looks the part, right?
I mean, I've seen of his. I mean oh he totally looks like
he can be a 10 year bad. Good looking, handsome.
Paul's got the height, he's got the build.
I I just, I don't know what he talks like.
I've never heard him utter. Well, actually I take it back.
I did hear him. He's on that show.

(01:14:47):
I think he was kind of I think, yeah, I think he was kind of
charming when he talked about the role and and and very
respectful of it. Who wouldn't want to play
Batman? So I guess we'll see.
Look in in closing, like I said,we got Peacemaker coming.
So we got a lot to keep talking about.
It's going to be a week to week thing.
And apparently we're going to the fruits are going to be

(01:15:09):
reaped with what's going on herefor the DCU.
And like I said, I just, I'm just waiting for some bigger
news. I thought we had it.
I thought we called some stuff on the last podcast.
They start talking about Wonder Woman, but then it kind of just
went silent. I thought we were going to get a
little bit further ahead. We'll see what happens.
So anyway. Yeah.

(01:15:30):
Before I cut you off. No, no, no, you're I I don't
even remember what that point was.
But no, it's, it's, it's we'll see.
The I think the DCU Batman casting is a big one, and I
think you're going to be surprised at who they get.
Like, is Wonder Woman going to be a big one?
Do you do you guys think? Yeah.
Yeah, 'cause I think it has to be.

(01:15:51):
They're going to, yeah. That's the one they got to do.
That's the one they got to do because.
Sidney Sweeney and really, really big heels.
Hey, people are turning against her right now.
I don't know. I don't know.
They would want her too. Yeah, like the seven inch heels.
No, nobody. Don't worry about.
It she's going to be more popular than ever.

(01:16:13):
Can't put a wig on her now anymore.
You. Yeah, I think, I think that one
has to be somebody more of note.I'll say more of note though,
because I don't think like when I think of like the biggest
actresses right now, it's it's no, none of them I think would
play Wonder Woman. Like I don't think there's like
what what I think of the biggesttrue actress right now.

(01:16:36):
I don't, I don't think yeah, I feel like the the the female
roles are different sometimes interms of how they do them right.
So we'll see, we'll see. But I think it has to be someone
really, really, really good. Like I I think better than
Brandon Scalinar level equivalent.
Like I think it has to be biggerthan that.

(01:16:57):
I don't know. I think they could do that
Aronia and it would be big. I do.
I think that is, I think that would be big, but I don't, I
don't know. Yeah.
If they actually would like, if that makes sense to them, I
don't know. Hashtag Jason Bumo's girlfriend.
Yeah, I think there's a lot of people who think might be it

(01:17:19):
though who won't. I don't want to say names, but
there's a couple out there who Isee people fan cast them often
and I can. And I know I've called a few
things wrong, but I, and I'm notgoing to say I'm actually, I'll
tell you guys after there's like2 big ones I see and I'm like I,
I just, I promise you those won't happen.
I just, I those two aren't goingto happen.

(01:17:43):
I'll bring I'll bring those up later and if one of them ends up
being it, I will say who it is and I will say I'm wrong, but I
think I'm pretty confident. Well, one of whom might be
dating a very famous celebrity at the moment.
I'm not. I'm.
Not even going to mention who I'm I that's said he said that,
not me. All I'm going to say is good for
them, good for them. I'm not going to elaborate any

(01:18:05):
further, no, but I I agree. But yeah, so that's.
US. Yeah, I guess we will see.
So this is the end of comic bookstuff until we'll see when
Lanterns comes out looking like AI think they said spurring of
26. So we might get Lantern before

(01:18:26):
we get Supergirl, and then Supergirl we'll get Spider Man.
Yeah, yeah. Wow.
But now that's going to be a late, so we will see.
But I think that's probably a great way to put a pin into this
one, guys. So good one as always.
And I don't know if anybody's noticed it, but we are on the
road to 250. I know that's enforcing.

(01:18:49):
We'll have to do something fun for that one there.
We go, there you go, 250 but awesome Mr. C, where could?
Everybody find me over on the exit and Caruso Junior and I'm
ready to go for the Peacemaker. That's what's next.
Let's do it. He really wants to taste it.
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