Box Office Beyond: Superman vs Fantastic Four, State of Superhero Movies, & Summer Report Card!

On the latest Box Office Beyond, Zeddy and Carlos discuss the historic weekend drops for "The Fantastic Four: First Steps", the impressive legs from "Superman", the state of superhero movies leading into 2026, horror continues its domination and our Summer report card. Enjoy!

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Episode Transcript

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Marvel's first family may not bedoing fantastic, but you know
who is? We are.

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And welcome back to a brand new episode of Box Office Beyond.
This is a sub show of the Vigilante 1939 podcast where we
break down all things box officepredictions, projections,
results, and any big news regarding the world of box
office entertainment. In this week's show, we are
discussing the Jurassic drops. That's why that's plural 4

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Fantastic Four first steps. Superman continues to impress.
We're going to be talking about the state of the comic movie
genre as we move forward in the 2026.
We got the weekend numbers for Naked Gun Weapons and Freakier
fighting. And we are going to give our
final summer we park cart as we put a stamp on the summer of

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2025. I am one of your ghosts here in
Nick Xenic in joining me each and every episode.
He's always the Bruce Wayne to my Terry McGinnis, my great fun.
Carlos, what's up? What's up?
Brother, not much man. I'm so happy to be basically
wrapping our summer, I guess, with the last of the big

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releases coming out in the form of weapons and Freakier Friday.
And yeah, taking a look back at this July, that had a lot of
anticipation probably right fromearly spring till it finally
came about and played out and did so in pretty fascinating
way, like your tease there. So yeah, excited to break this

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down fresh off of, you know, Sunday morning of Fantastic
Four's third weekend. So like I've said before on on
this show, movies make basicallythe majority of their box office
in the first three weeks at release.
So we kind of know where this thing is shaking out.
So yeah, excited to break it down with you, man.
Likewise. Likewise, brother.

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Yeah, I've, I'm currently still recovering.
I don't know if you know Carlos,because I don't know if you've
seen weapons, but you know, I was giving the audience a little
update. Here is I've been hesitant on
recording my review because I'm staying away from any alarm
clocks or any sharp tools of that nature.
Weapons scarred me for life, Carlos, as it as it seems to be

(02:54):
doing for a lot of people. You know, it's funny that you
say that because I was like mulling over going and
especially with kind of some of the rumors that Craiger was
going to do ADC project. And I, I saw your very succinct
review. And the review itself scared me
enough that I was like, you knowwhat?
I'm not gonna watch this movie while I'm at home alone with the

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fam travelling. So no, Yeah, I, I haven't really
seen much from it aside from the, you know, the little
silhouette of the boy walking down the street that's on the
poster. And I think between that and
your review, yeah, I'm not ashamed to admit that this
scaredy cat is gonna stay. Stay away for now.

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Yeah, no, I didn't. Like, we will talk about a
little bit later too, but it's easily like the best horror
movie I think I've seen this year, right Under probably
Sanders for sure, But we'll talk.
And what's also funny is like atthe press screening, they were
handing out a variety of stuff. So I mean, like, they were
giving out like, you know, the usual poster there was like AT
shirt that had like, drawings made by kids or whatever.

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And they were giving out potato peelers, which is a significant
spoiler from the movie, but very, you know, packaged and
everything. And there's like, some
instructions for a recipe on theback of it and everything, too.
But yeah, so I walked out of weapons calls and I was being
given a potato peeler. Yeah, no, I I'm happy in my

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decision to stay away. Then that's to say nothing to
the quality of the film. No, Maybe it's a testament to
the quality of the film. Right on, bang on.
So just just trying to give everyone a small update on that
one. But nonetheless, we keep pushing
for it, but no align clocks are plugged in.
But Carlos, before we kind of jump in here, let's let's give

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this a little toss up. So do you want to talk about
Superman or Fantastic Four first?
What are you? What are you feeling here,
brother? The good news or the bad news
first? It's a great way to put it.
Let's you know what, let's just RIP the Band-Aid off and let's
just go with that FF up front and then we can apply some bomb

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and go into the rest of the itinerary.
Start start sad and unhappy. I love it.
Awesome. Yeah, so fantastic.
Four first steps the the Longleyamend.
This is have a lot to impact on this one.
So Carlos, the word around the street is when the movie had
came out on its first weekend, it kind of opened tipidly,

(05:27):
right. It was like it felt like just
just shy, just short of what what Superman end up doing.
And then you had all these rumors floating around that this
movie was going to drop a mere 60% in its second weekend, which
if you're a comic book movie that's completely awful.
That means that there's little to no interest whatsoever.

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That means the movie was completely front loaded.
So the fact that you had rumors coming around that the movie of
this caliber, especially for theMCU and how much they were
heavily relying on it was going to drop like, you know, you're
6667% that's insane. Like we we should have been
pregnant. That was never going to happen.
Well, it did, you know, it did drop a mere 67% and it's second

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weekend. And to make matters worse, it
dropped 61% in its third weekend.
So as it sits right now, it is at 2:30 domestic.
So it's already out grossed Ant Man in the Wasp, Quantum Mania's
last domestic one, which I thinkwas like 216.
So not that that's too much to really hang hang your hat over.

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But what's fascinating is that globally and might actually
finish around what that movie did, because the projections are
kind of dropped now. So they've been varying, but
total, because now we have to look at that point, it's going
to probably fall anywhere between 260 to 265.
That's a far cry from the 300 that a lot of us had it at.

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And globally, it's going to makeless than Superman.
What at 490 to 510 is now the projection that's being I.
So Carlos walked me through Fantastic Four first steps.
What's going on? What happened to this movie?
Yeah, to be honest, I, well, I, I don't know when I do know as

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far as the film itself, like I thought it was excellent and by
far one of the most enjoyable trips to the theater that I've
had for an MCU movie. Like since No Way Home, if for
sure. But even over the last phase or
so, it's up there with how much I enjoyed End Game and, and the

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Way Home kind of thing. But it's certainly not
performing even remotely like those movies.
And it, it's a shame because I think that this is the first
time for a very, very long time that there's some artistry and
some risks and a, a a bit of gravitas in an MCU film.

(08:07):
However, I do think that you're paying for the sins of years
gone by in that, you know, my somany, so many outlets and so
many fanboy podcasts and YouTubechannels and just the media,
like we carried the water so much for films that were

(08:31):
mediocre, if not straight up poor like Captain Marvel, like
Ant Man 2, those types of films,even even a Spider Man far from
home, right? That, you know, people piled all
this effusive praise on. And I think what you're seeing
is that the audience has become numb to MCU reviews because it's

(08:56):
kind of like that boy who cried wolf, right?
Like fool me, fool me once, shame on me.
Fool me twice, shame on you, fool me.
I don't know, 22 out of 35 times, because I do think that
those Marvel films have just been given a free pass when they

(09:19):
they weren't great. So I, I genuinely think that the
reception for this movie was hurt by people disregard because
it's like, you know, I look at my family and when we're looking
at watching something, they'll pull up Rotten Tomatoes or
whatever just to see if it's worth, worth our time, whether

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that's a good practice or not. And I'm sure that people have
done that for all these MCU movies and they've come away
being like, well, that wasn't very good and not nearly as
enjoyable as what these scores would suggest.
And so I, I think that that factored in as to why the cinema

(10:01):
score and the critic reception and everything else didn't help
it as much as I thought it would.
And so there's that. And then it kind of goes back to
what we talked about on our lastshow in that, you know, your
average family and your general audience, they kind of only go
to on average one film 1/4 and two films during the summer.

(10:27):
And at most it's maybe one a month for some of the heavier
use. Like don't even take my word for
it. Look at the little surveys that
you get when you go to a movie. Like there's not very many where
it's like I go weekly. If you look at the options, they
all tip towards people that go one a month or less, right?

(10:50):
So FF and Marvel Studios got cute with their release date and
I, I think they knew they had a quality film on their hands, but
they stuck it right behind Superman and Jurassic.
I think like, I don't care what anybody says, there was a bit of
spitefulness there and it bit them because guess what?

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You you had a pretty stacked June with movies that people
wanted to go to, and then July you had two big movies and, you
know, Jurassic maybe not as much, but people kept going to
see that movie, certainly internationally.

(11:35):
Yeah. And so and it.
Did movie don't make money on its own?
Yeah, exactly. So all the naysaying and Pooh
poohing and maybe that also cameinto the critics thing because
that didn't get a very great reception.
However, I'm sure people went and when I saw it the second
time, I, I could kind of pay attention to the audience around

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me and people seem to enjoy it, right?
So that further erodes that trust of it.
And then Superman, there's no questioning that that was the
movie that had the zeitgeist of the summer.
And part of that's marketing, obviously a big part of it is
the quality and just how freaking enjoyable the film was

(12:18):
given my druthers. Like Fantastic Four was probably
a film made more to my taste, but I have no desire to go back
and see it a second time. Whereas like Superman, I'm
looking for a Showtime to see itfor 1/5 time just because it's a
fun movie and just a good time at the theatre type of thing.
And I think that that played into its word of mouth.
And you know, I, I kind of keep track of merchant swag and

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whatnot and you can't find Superman merchandise like
anywhere up here. Like I've seen it come in
because I've bought the odd thing when it does roll up.
But like places like GameStop orEB Games up here, they had a
load of these cool Daily Planet shirts and the kiddo bought 1
and I went there yesterday and every single one was gone.

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They had one Superman action figure left and I know and I
know that they had a pile not that long ago.
So there's those types of thingslike you go to Dairy Queen and
people will have blue mouse fromeating the Superman Blizzards.
Like there, there's something tothat, right?
And yeah, I, I, I just don't think that FF had any window to

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get in there to kind of upset that.
And it, it was kind of death by 1000 cuts for that movie.
And you kind of saw it coming when it had the preview night.
Superman had really high preview, preview screenings and
it was buoyed by the Amazon thing as well.
But then FF beats it and you're kind of thinking that, you know,

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the this thing is actually goingto take the crown.
But then you look at the day by days for the weekend and it ends
up coming in 5 million less thanSuperman.
And then all week it played like2 to $5,000,000 less than
Superman did over its first week.
And then you get that precipitous drop in that first

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weekend of the 67%. And that tells you two things.
It tells you that the general audience isn't showing up and
you're not getting walk ups. And it also tells you that the
people that did go see it, whether they enjoyed it or not,
they're not coming back for a second watch.
So that's that. And then it just kind of went

(14:35):
downhill from there. And as much as folks talk about
there not being competition, there was competition, just not
blockbuster, but it's maybe something that's makes for a
healthier theatrical landscape and that there was lots of
different offerings appealing tolots of different demographics.

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And it's just kind of death by 1000 cuts for Fantastic Four.
Like I know that up here, like they took it out of a few of the
premium theatres and started allocating those screens towards
like movies like F1 have got back into into IMAX and Superman
got into the Dolby up here. And like, that's just that.

(15:19):
So, yeah, I, I don't know what it is.
And this will probably lead intoa bit of talk that we have later
on in the show, too. But, yeah, like, I, I don't see
how you paint this as anything more than a pretty significant
disappointment. I think they're placing it right
behind Superman. It's going to be embarrassing in
that you came up $100 million short of what Superman did.

(15:44):
And I, I don't know if FF hurt Superman that much, like maybe
like a 5060 million, but. At the same time.
Yeah, at the same time, like it might have helped it in that,
well, you know, with families kind of what do we see Superman
or Fantastic Four? Well, Superman was a lot more
fun. I know I had that conversation

(16:06):
with two moms where I was like, yeah, I based on the age of your
kids, I can confidently recommend Superman and you guys
all walk out having had a good time.
Fantastic Four. I can probably foresee your
younger ones getting restless and checking out SO.

(16:27):
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, No, I think everything, everything you said is really
bank on the money and and it further adds fuel to the fire
that this was. You want to say it's a
miscalculation? I'm going to say it's a misstep.
Wow, look at that. I can throw that one out there
too, only for the simple fact everything you said completely
nullifies the fact that the end of the day, however you want to

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spin this, this is a disappointment.
I mean, this is a movie that a year ago people were
championing. Like it's going to be a billion
dollar movie. It's going to bring Marvel
Studios back to its its prominent glory.
It's going to set up Spider Man and Doomsday for absolute
success. Right.
And then 2025 happened and BraveNew World kind of crap, Bad

(17:11):
Thunderbolts kind of crapped about, even though it was one of
the more better, well received comic movies that we've had in
the space. It didn't even cost 400 million.
So now here's Fantastic Four. It's the third attempt.
So I had to kind of make kind ofget that jump back to glory for
Marvel. And depending on where it falls
right now, it fell to Superman. It created the Superman.

(17:33):
And I was always saying, you know, I know I I told this to
you. I've told this to a few finds
too. It can literally just be chalked
up to whatever you want to say. Kevin Feige thought he had the
better movie. He thought he had the bigger
brand and he thought that he hadthat end of summer release
saying he thought that that was going to strike lightning, like
doesn't strike twice, guys, you know, right.
It's like it's because you're inthat Deadpool Wolverine slot.

(17:56):
Doesn't mean that you were goingto get that same level of
results, especially with more competition like you so
eloquently said. And we'll talk about why
competition got so stiff so soon, but it's very concerning.
You know, it's concerning for the future.
It's concerning for where the genre might be going right now.
I think Superman even got affected a little bit too.

(18:16):
And something that we're going to talk about, but none the less
those Superman's drops and we'regoing to tease that in a minute.
Continue to invest while this one, it's very interesting.
You know, I I would, this wasn'treally on my bingo card that it
was going to fall this hard. And the fact that Marvel is if
they're in trouble, I mean, like, I don't think you can

(18:37):
spend that any other way. I think there's one movie that
comes out next year that I'm going to say is a safe bet.
But everything else I'm like, I don't know Captain.
I don't know, it was and. It's it's funny that you bring
that up about that Deadpool and Wolverine spot.
Like, was he so blind to what made that movie such a success?

(18:58):
Because it wasn't, obviously it's not your family audiences
and it's not your comic fanboys.Although we fuelled it quite a
bit. It was the fact that that
Deadpool brand and the reverend humor has this other group that
will only go see that type of movie.

(19:18):
And they're, they're not coming to your Fantastic Four and
they're not coming to your BraveNew World, but just that unique
appeal of Deadpool and to a lesser extent Wolverine.
It had it had a different group.Like I ran into my cousin's
husband who's kind of, you know,runs a construction business and

(19:39):
all that kind of thing. And that was the first time ever
that we've talked comic book movies.
And he was super excited and invited me over for the Deadpool
branded aviation gin because himand a few of his guys are going
to that. But that that'll be the one and
only time they ever see a superhero movie together.

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And that's because Deadpool was a very unique offering.
Like, yeah, it, it it's nuts, man.
It's nuts. It was a big time self owned by
Marvel Studios. Yeah.
And. And you know, we're we're going
to hammer this home in a few minutes here, but the release
date was bad. It was awful.
I mean, like, I don't care what anybody says.

(20:21):
I mean, you know, you look at I mean, look no further.
I mean, how to Stringer dragon came out or on Father's Day.
That's like the what the last weekend of June and then you
have Jurassic World rebirth. Another universal movie might I
had, but it's dinosaurs comes out the week later and then
another week later you have Superman and then you have like
this little two week gap and then here's Fantastic Four.

(20:45):
These movies got to be spaced out like way better.
I mean, like, you know, like if you're looking to recoup as much
as possible and then like look no further from that, like that
second last week of June up until now and tell me like,
right. Like, I mean, like it was just a
limit of potential was definitely limited.
I feel like for all of these movies, like like regardless.

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So I don't know if studios just have to prioritize maybe the
spring and summer a little bit better, or, you know, maybe
instead of you being so bullish on having a summer movie, maybe
shoot for a late spring and see what you can space out because
something like this. I mean, like that was pretty,
that was pretty wild. I mean, I definitely think a

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movie like how to Train your Dragon got severely affected
because it definitely could havemade a lot more.
I feel like, especially for thatIP and, and, and how much people
love it, Jurassic was always going to make money.
So I feel like that was always going to be, you know, that was
always going to be what it was. Superman kind of like had its

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date already planned. So like that was going to just
bank on the summer of Superman catching on, which it did.
And then Fantastic Four was kindof just left with whatever was
left over. I mean, like I never really felt
like the marketing was that strong to begin with, which
might have been a sign anyway. But you know that's we talked
before, right? Like the, yeah, that retro 60s

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thing, man, it's the kiss of death, yeah.
Well, no, yeah, I just felt likeI was seeing Superman
everywhere, like whether it was like on TV or just, you know,
ads as I was driving by, you know, the Dairy Queen thing.
I mean, like, it's not like, andI was never like getting tired
of it. I was just like, I see Superman
everywhere. I'm like, where's like, I don't
see Fantastic Four anywhere. So that was like, you know, that

(22:32):
might have been more proof to the pointing on that one.
But yeah, and there's a. Desire, right to see Superman
like I think people wanted to see Superman and end of the day.
Yeah. And you know it is what it is
with the whole previous iteration.
But when you serve up something that people want makes a

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difference. Amen to that.
Amen to that, brother. But on the flip side of that,
now we're now we're going to talk about the, the, the good
news, the better news here, because we've only gotten better
news with this one is Carlos Superman as of today has now
passed Man of Steel and BVS domestically.

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I believe it's also outgrowth the first Suicide Squad as well.
So it's been chugging along. It's already hitting digital to
I believe in in the near distantfuture.
I think end of August, I believeis was one or tentatively or
first week of September. Apologies for not knowing that
offhand, but don't quote me. So it is going to outgrow

(23:42):
Aquaman and Joker domestically to become the fifth highest
grossing domestic DC movie ever.It's going to IA 620 to 640
global finish. It's at 578 as of today.
So bye bye Iron Man. You had a nice one on that one,
right? But what's key on this one is

(24:06):
that it might, oddly enough, depending on how legs are still
affected by this, it could potentially still beat the
Batman domestically. It won't be the Batman globally,
but domestically is still in play.
But it is going to fall on it, the strength of its legs as we
get in the end of summer here. So Carlos, we kind of just
really kind of talked about it afew minutes ago, but it was the

(24:28):
summer of Superman. So walk me through the
performance of this movie because I we've been in some
discussions online, we've seen people trying to move the goal
posts of, of whether or not thismovie is a success.
Lord knows I've gotten into a few debates I probably shouldn't
have about this movie online myself.
But what are your thoughts on Superman as it continues to roll

(24:49):
on here? Well, I think for DC Studios and
we talked about Marvel Studios at length, so it's only fitting
that we talk about DC under Warner Brothers and now this
being the first film under the newly minted DC Studios.
But there is no denying based onthe performance of the

(25:13):
aforementioned BBS, which for far longer than I care to admit
had the crown for the steepest second weekend drop, and just
the the dim view that audiences had of that cavil version of
Superman. And that's evidenced by that
opening weekend of Justice League like which actually

(25:35):
opened to decent reviews if you know, there's a lot of
revisionist history. But the reviews gave it a bit of
a pass at the time just because they were happy with it being a
change of direction from the theprevious iteration, right?
So it had OK reviews, certainly really good reviews in

(25:59):
comparison to BVS. But like it had a sub $100
million opening weekend. And that's because the the
audience has had such a terribleview of DC as a brand, right?
So you're coming out of that paradigm and you're not coming
out of Man of Steel off the heels of The Avengers and The

(26:23):
Dark Knight Rises, hyper stocking audience interest in
comic book movies and people being really excited for, OK, I
love what Marvel Studios did with this, with the Marvel
characters. Now let me see my Superman and
Justice League that I grew up with do this.
Like their version of the same thing, right?
So it didn't have that. What it did have was two years

(26:46):
in which you have Shazam 2, the Flash, the excellent but very
underwatch Blue Beetle, Aquaman 2 and then as a like turd cherry
on top Joker Folia do last year.So you have those 5 movies and

(27:11):
within two weeks, 3 weeks, Superman out grosses the
domestic total of all five of those movies combined, three,
maybe four of which had budgets in around the same realm as what

(27:31):
Superman had. So that tells me that that's a
huge freaking win. The other thing is, is that
people have been bemoaning or naysaying the domestic
international split. So I I've posted it online a
punch of times, but I'll say it here on the show, having a

(27:52):
higher domestic number than an international number is a huge
win for the studios. There's a reason that the
Warcraft movie, despite making piles of money in China, never
got a sequel. It's because domestically the
studios take home 50 to 60% of the box office.
Internationally it's 20 to 30% of of the box office.

(28:16):
So for. Warner Brothers.
Bottom line, it's infinitely more profitable for them and
makes the movie that much more of a success that it plays
domestically. Like, studios will make movies
all day long to have a domestic return.
However, they won't do that for strictly international skewing

(28:37):
numbers. Like, international is important
and money is money. But there's a reason that Fast
11 was a disappointment for Universal despite making money
at the international box office,Right?
And that's gonna be created at home.
So, yeah, I think given all the baggage that the DC brand had
and how much pressure was on this movie to be a success, like

(29:01):
it, it's nothing but wins. Like, honestly, the only people
that you see bemoaning BVS are like dudes in their late 40s
having these weird temper tantrums and that are
perpetually online. Like, yeah.
There's that's not who any. Studio should be looking at
making happy, so who cares? No Superman's a win.

(29:23):
Give me my Blizzard. Yeah, no, they.
You you hit it right on the head.
You know, I, I, I think I just, I've gotten so tired of all this
like, oh, well, adjusted for inflation and you know, oh,
well, it's still going to fall under BBS.
I'm like, look, man, right. I'm like, the numbers are
reported as is. They're not reported by being

(29:45):
already adjusted for inflation. If that was the case,
everybody's paychecks would be, would be bigger by default and
the world would be a much happier place.
But it's not the world we live in.
So when a number gets reported and it is as, as is, that's how
you view it as, right? You don't just take a number and
you adjust it for inflation right on the top.
It's not how you report and analyze box off.

(30:05):
It's just not how you do it. So this is a massive 1 for
everything you said to it, right?
It was highly well received. It's the most well received DC
movie we've had since maybe The Batman.
And it's clearly going to be thehighest grossing movie since The
Batman, which was everything yousaid, right?
The state of the DC brand could not have been under undervalued

(30:27):
by any stretch of the means. You know, it had to win
audiences over. It had to make at least 500
million plus, you know, and more, 'cause it can't just make
500 and be a success, right? Little, little over 500.
I, I, I think was what they werelooking for and it kept wanting
to have audience go back to see the movie.
It was unequivocally the movie of the summer.
Like you cannot deny that whatsoever.

(30:47):
Not only that, but it also sets up the next big movie that it
has, which is which comes out next summer.
And we'll talk about that in a great way.
It's like it it checked every box that was supposed to check
and it just it had it kept wanting to have audiences go on
and see it more. We always talk about there's
always one movie every year, whether it's the summer, it's

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the fall or it's the winter, there's always one movie that
catches the zeitgeist and it's just undeniable.
And Superman, if it's not, if you don't want to say it's
sinners, it's definitely Superman this year.
So that to me is a is a massive winner and I'm definitely glad
that it is going to end up beingat least domestically, the
highest grossing Superman movie of all time.

(31:28):
You know, globally what I've loved a little bit more, sure.
But I think that's going to raise a very interesting topic
that we're going to talk about just in a in a few minutes here.
But internationally, I'm so gladyou bought at that point, by the
way, brother, because I'm like, is it apparent that the domestic
and the international or so like, you know, like domestic is
more heavier than internationally?
Yeah, it is. It's because we're so used to

(31:50):
these movies being like having areally high end international
number. And domestically is like, right.
So maybe it's a little shorter, it's a little bit bigger, but
we're so used to having like an international number be higher
with these movies and it's just kind of going lower.
So maybe that's just the state of the economy that we're in as

(32:11):
well. You know, things are a lot
different now than than they were over a decade ago, but it
it's like you said, you know, domestic is what the studios
care about and it's what most ofus should really follow when
we're talking about box office anyway.
So that brings a very interesting point though,
brother, because we talked aboutwhether or not there was comic
movie fatigue, whether it's justan MCU fatigue.

(32:34):
We talked about release dates, but we did have a bank question
that I wanted to bring up here because he's a he was he's a
very nice guy that asked us a question in and I wanted to
honor his his question. And he had asked us through our
mailbag because I'm not quite sure when mainstay vigilante
will record, but we'll we'll teeit up here for you.
And he pretty much just asked. You know, everyone talks about

(32:55):
comic movie fatigue and every excuse about box office shops,
but I think it really falls on the outrageous cost to go to the
movies these days. It's just not worth it anymore.
What are your thoughts? So Carlos TT this one up here.
What do you think about his point about being?
It's more of like what the stateof the economy is right now, you

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know, movie tickets being so expensive.
So that might limit the amount of movies that one could see
just in the theater alone. This is this having any effect
on the comic movies or just the the bigger movies in general?
What do you think? Well, yeah, no, then thanks for
the question, Chris. And I'll do my best to kind of
fill the very big shoes left by the the Crusoe is there.

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But yeah, I I do think that you've hit the nail on the head
like we were, we talked about with just the number of movies
that the average person sees outside of your heavy movie
going audience. And it's kind of one a quarter,
right? So, and then if I put that into
the paradigm of taking your family to the movies, it does

(34:04):
get expensive really quickly. Like you're looking at kind of
100 bucks as the floor now for taking a family of four to the
movies. And that's notwithstanding
having things like the A list and blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah. But I'm part of a subscriber
program with our local cinema uphere.
And yeah, it, it's kind of like 60 bucks after I get all my

(34:27):
discounts and free tickets for the four of us to get in.
And then plus your snacks and all that kind of stuff, you're
sniffing at $100 like, and that's with me having a program.
So if you're your average person, because things like AMCA
list and Regal's program and whatnot, they're not free.

(34:48):
So you do pay for those. And if you don't go to the
movies enough to pay for those to justify paying for those,
then you're looking at that massive ticket price to get in
the door type of thing. So I, I do think that you're on
to something and you know, by all accounts, we're looking at a
bit of an economic slowdown coming up.
So that might be magnified a bitas we look to next year.

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And to the second part of your question, I agree that these
movies can't put themselves intoa position where their budgets
are so astronomical that they need to have half a billion
dollars just to just to hit the block to be at your break even

(35:35):
point. It's just too much.
And it's interesting. Just yesterday, or maybe Friday,
word was that Doug Lyman and TomCruise were at loggerheads with
Warner Brothers because he wanted to do an original
underwater movie with Anadarmus,and they, like they were going

(35:57):
to walk away because they were demanding a $275 million budget.
You just can't. Do that 50 million.
Dollars more than Superman and Warner Brothers is like what
about 175 to 200 like which is still an astronomical amount of
money and you know there's rumblings that Lyman's gonna

(36:21):
walk and that cruise is not happy but at the same time,
like, sorry, sorry to denigrate your boy there, Zeddie, but no
but. Yeah, you just, you can't, you
can't do that. You can't, can't, cannot get
away with that. Yeah.
Yeah, like mission. Impossible.
You have a name brand and A and an established franchise and the

(36:42):
returns on both dead reckoning and final reckoning wouldn't
justify that 275 spend. So my, I think even the studios
now, Chris, to your point, are kind of a your line of thinking
in that we can't do this. And you know, a movie like
Weapons won't make nearly what aMission Impossible made.

(37:05):
But at the end of the day, the return on investment is probably
going to be higher because you didn't spend as much to make the
movie. And so, yeah, I do.
I do think that there's a bit ofconversation around walking away
from the asking price of some ofthese movie stars, right, Like
Avengers, Doomsday, You could probably bring that, that budget

(37:26):
down by a fifth if you just don't bring Downey back.
Yeah. So yeah, that movie might.
Need to make like 3 billion one all said and done yeah so I.
I I am very much in your camp that it is very expensive, that
there can't be an expectation for, you know, mom and dad to

(37:48):
have the wallet open all the time.
And I think you're going to see that play out next year because
there is a lot of family. Yeah.
Films that are going to be competing with each other.
Yeah. And.
They just by virtue of volume, you're going to have some come

(38:09):
up short like there there is going to be a lot more Fantastic
Four missteps in 2026 just basedon the volume of product and two
it's being targeted for. Yeah, no, I, I, I love this guy.
You know, I, I, I, I think you hit the I think you hit the man
on the head. I love this guy.

(38:30):
I love this guy. No, I, I think, I think you saw
eloquently answer this question immediately.
And I don't, I don't want to addtoo much, not for the sake of
just repeating, but yeah, the state of the economy is zip.
And whether we want to admit it or not, you know, it's the
difference between paying for a $10 ticket and a $13 ticket.
Believe me, it does add up. I mean, you now you cost in, you

(38:51):
factor in the cost of if you want to get concessions and you
got to pay for parking. And I it's a whole day that you,
that you're making it sounds to be right.
I mean, like, it's a far cry from movie tickets being $5 and
you spending another like 10 or 15 on concessions.
I mean, like, that's a lot different than than what we pay
now. Like not, not everybody has like

(39:11):
a, you know, theater membership or like they get the movie for
free, but they still got to pay for the concessions.
Like it's still a domino effect with within, within business
standards of of you, you still having to pay more regardless if
you think you're paying less. So it's, I think this is what
you know, I don't know if, you know, theaters definitely got to
like, you know, if they're looking to be around for the

(39:34):
sustainable future, then something does need to be done
about this. Otherwise, we're going to keep
seeing these minimal returns andthese minimal drops just of
interest level moving forward 'cause I mean, I think the
theaters are always going to be around.
You know, obviously they might change here and there in terms
like what the experience is like.
But you know, I think if you're trying to go back to what it

(39:54):
once was, I like that ponder thing of all the if you the
Friday night, that's when you goto the movie theater, 'cause
that, 'cause that's the place tobe like, I don't think you're
ever really going to get that unless you're going to get like
a high end movie event where like you have to be there.
So that's it's, it's, it is, I think Chris does raise a very
interesting point. And I definitely think it is a
lingering thing within the economy of that.

(40:16):
It's just everything, everythingright now is probably way more
expensive than it should be. And the things that people want
to spend their time where if they feel like they can't
because they just don't want to justify it, which is just shame
because right. Because like, if you're someone
that like, oh, I want to go see Superman again, but I don't know
if I'm willing to pay 15 bucks to just to go see and and I and

(40:36):
IMAX and and another 15 for for a popcorn and soda, right?
I mean, so it's I totally get that that rationale.
So, well, I'll. Yeah, I'll throw myself on the
pyre. Like I I was thinking about
taking my father-in-law to F1 and when I looked at the seats
that were available and what I have to pay for them, I was
looking at $50 just for the two of us to walk out the door.

(40:59):
That's nuts. Yeah, and then the prospect of
my mother-in-law joining totallytook it off the table, but. 150,
yeah. That was a cost too high to pay
and not only financially, but yeah.
Like so that's a a tangible realworld example of I know me doing

(41:23):
that very math, right. So yeah.
And. And of course, you know it.
Sure, it it does still vary whether or not like, like, you
know, like I'm a single guy. So it costs nothing pretty much
for me as long as I have a steady paycheck to afford it for
me to go to the movie theater pretty frequently, right?
But that's not the reality for the real world.
Not everybody has that luxury. So you got to, you really got to

(41:44):
like, if, if the movie theaters in the theater industry is
trying to factor in sustainability, then something
does need to be done because this isn't a sustainable
business model. I feel like moving forward,
especially when you factor in now there's popcorn helmets,
which was not a thing like 10-15years ago.
You do not have this many, you know, popcorn helmets and other

(42:07):
things that you can customize with your, with your
concessions. That's another thing.
And they'll be ridiculously expensive in and of itself.
I mean, if you want to get something just to be cool and
post it online, I mean, you're that's like 50 bucks just for
like a a helmet that you can getat a Walmart or Target for a
little bit less. So it's crazy.
It's crazy, yeah. Well, and the other thing too

(42:28):
with those is like, I don't knowabout your theaters, but like
because every movie is doing it,there's a pile of ones that are
starting to stack up at my theaters that have gone outsold,
right? Like you can't touch a Superman
1, but there's a whole bunch of Snow White ones that are left
sitting on the shelf that are trying to be offloaded for. 10%

(42:51):
of what? They originally retailed for so
the the good. The Goodwill Foundation should
hopefully have have used for that, but 'cause this is
obviously been a more superhero comic movie heavy this episode
and we kind of anticipated that just what, you know, what things
are going around kind of in box office.
So let's kind of hammer home real quick and then we'll wrap

(43:11):
up with the end of summer reportcard and news here, especially
talking about the end of July and things like that.
But as we look forward into 2026, you know there are no more
comic movies left for the remainder of the year.
So obviously we'll talk about from August until June of next
year. And that is if Supergirl sticks
to its date, which I'm thinking it's going to, but Supergirl is

(43:36):
going to be the first movie out in June of 26.
DC and Marvel each have two movies, which is interesting.
So it's kind of like a nice evenduel here.
So Supergirl is June 26th, Clayface is going to be
September 11th next year. And in between Supergirl we have
Spider Man Brand New Day, which is July 31st.

(43:58):
And then Avengers Doomsday, I'm going to put an asterisk on it,
just saying. But tentatively it's set for
December 18th of next year. So Carlos, we had a long winded
discussion here about, you know,a state of the genre here.
You know, I know I've I've said it to you off air.
So I actually do want to give you a chance to maybe elaborate

(44:20):
as you look at that schedule. My perception of the comic movie
genre moving forward is that I think that if this year is any
indication, and maybe it's just,you know, it's an anomaly.
So like maybe it won't be like that next year, but I'm thinking
like these movies just need to be readjusted as far as
expectations go. So like, I do think Superman is

(44:41):
a good benchmark for what I feellike most of these movies are
going to be like moving forward where like you're you're back in
like that 500 million to let's say like 750 if I had to give
like an overall range. And that should be an
overwhelming success for a good majority of these movies.
Like, you know, the 700 is goingto feel like it's the new
billion for these movies unless you're like an event movie.

(45:03):
And what I mean by event, like, unless you're like an Avengers
movie, a Justice League movie, aBatman, Superman movie if done
right, but like your, your, yourhighbrow team up movies that you
would expect you to make a little bit more.
So 'cause as you look ahead to next year's comic movie slate
and you look at what the state of the genres earnings have been

(45:24):
in the last, let's see, let's even call it 2 1/2 years here.
What's your take as we kind of move forward into the future
here? Yeah.
I think you're on the money in that kind of that 750 to 850
range is like the new billion for these movies and even just
across all films, right? Like how many billion dollar

(45:45):
films will we have this year? You'll have Lilo and Stitch is
the only one thus far. And then Avatar will be one, I'm
assuming at the end of the year.But like Wicked 2, that's not a
for sure thing and I don't thinkthe first one hit a billion or
no it fell. It fell short, yeah.

(46:05):
Yeah. And like Minecraft was sniffing
around that, but I don't think you could re release that and it
would do any kind of big business type of thing.
So yeah, as far as these films go, the the 7:50 to 8:50 range I
think is realistic. As far as the two DC movies go,

(46:26):
Clayface will will see its box office fate determined by if
Batman shows up or not in it andif that's where they choose to.
Yep. Reveal.
Our joint universe, DCU, Batman or not, I'm kind of 5050 on if

(46:48):
they do that based on what we'veheard that Clayface is kind of a
adult skewing genre or horror genre type film.
So we'll see. But Supergirl, to go back to
kind of what we were talking about with Superman before, like
I think that that movie having its second life on home video

(47:10):
and playing on HBO Max. And if they're smart, they'll
license it out closer to Supergirl either on Amazon Prime
or Netflix, to be perfectly honest with you, so that it hits
maximal eyeballs. Like I think you'll see the
success of Superman and reinforcing that, hey, this
isn't that thing that you didn'tlike anymore.

(47:30):
This is a all new, all differentDC universe.
I think that you'll see Supergirl charged pipe for
Spider man seems huge. Like we talked off mic.
Like this is the first time I'veseen stuff coming out of a
Spider Man movie since kind of they were teeing up the Toby
film that I'm like, this is the Spider Man that I've wanted to

(47:52):
see. And you know, like I've had a
lot of love for the Holland MCU films thus far, but it's not not
my Spider Man, so to speak. It's the the MCU of it all has
held it back for me. So I think that one will be
huge. And I don't think I'm on an
island in that view of this forthcoming film.

(48:16):
And then yeah, Avengers Doomsday, I don't know, like,
like fantastic. Like it'll be huge and it'll be
one of the year's highest earning movies for sure.
And by. Default, yeah, yeah, it'll be.
A even just a curiosity factor of it all drive a pile of people

(48:38):
to the film. But if they're expecting this
thing to be end Game 2 point O, that ain't happening I don't
think. Not for this one.
Yeah. And then as far as release?
Dates go. I actually like the release
dates, kind of like we've talkedthe the films are all like

(48:58):
they're not only three weeks apart.
Like the closest is Supergirl inSpider Man.
If Supergirl keeps that date, I think I, I think if Warner
Brothers wants to kind of pay back Disney in kind for the FF
date, they should move it to Mayand stick it right in front of
Devil Wears Prada. Yeah.
But yeah, like either way, like that, that's a great date, that

(49:21):
June date for Supergirl. And it's a month, month and a
few days in advance of Spider Man.
So they're not going to be contaminating each other.
And Clayface is a good six weeks, seven weeks after Spider
Man, and then Avengers comes outlike months after that.

(49:42):
So yeah, no, there's good spacing between those movies.
But at the same time, we'll haveto take a look at the other
films that are releasing in around those dates.
Yeah, yeah. Which I think like looking off
hand and we don't have to have this discussion on this one, but
I think think Supergirl is the one that I think faces the most
stiff competition just looking ahead.

(50:04):
And then obviously you and I alldo our our research and give
everybody what competition is, but it's pretty stiff.
I'm going to let everybody know right now if you want to go
ahead and look at June 2026 in early July and and get back to
me. It's why I'm a little hesitate,
even though I do think Super Bowl is still going to do
extremely well if it does stay in that spot.
But you raise a very interestingpoint.
If it doesn't want to move up tothat early May slot and kick off

(50:27):
the summer it I think I think that would also be a very wise
decision as well. But we'll talk about that as we
get on closer. But just thought I kind of
raised that question because it was a more superhero skewing
themed episode. And you know, with there being
no more comic movies until summer of next year, that's

(50:47):
going to be kind of a drought. Thought it'd be interesting to
kind of raise some commentary just on the state of things as
we kind of move ahead there. But I was as we kind of wrap up
here a little bit, let's talk about the the new releases, I
guess, so to speak, because obviously we already talked
about that dinosaurs, they stillrule the world regardless of
what people may say and what they may think.

(51:09):
The projections went out for Jurassic World Viber despite
people not claiming that people were going to see the movie and
at its wheel. At one point it was deemed to
have like just like a mere 700 finish for the movie.
It's now ways up to like 8:50. So that's a that's a pretty
drastic turn up for that one. So kudos to Jurassic for

(51:32):
standpoint on that one and having the crazy legs that it
does. But outside of Jurassic World
Rebirth, the infamously anticipated Naked Gun reboot, do
it. OK.
I think for for a comedy, I would say like I don't know if
the expectations were really that high, but this one to begin

(51:54):
with, it did open like 16,000,000.
So for a comedy making, making money like that, I would say
that that's still pretty good. I do think that it sits at 33
million as of now. So it's kind of just going to be
like that old school comedy thatkind of just trucks along.
Maybe it doesn't end up hitting 100 million, but it'll probably

(52:15):
have a nice life on home video and digital and things like
that. Freaker Friday is the other one.
So that's obviously a legacy sequel that follows up the 2003
movie with Lindsay Lohan and Jamie Lee Curtis.
It opened to 29 million to Mexicans.
It's about 44 million globally and the hot story that

(52:36):
everyone's talking about now Carlos is horror is dominating
the year unless you mine graph Iguess or Lilo and Stitch.
But horror is the topic of 2025 as it continues to make
ridiculously amount of money andget ridiculous amount of
attention. This movie open to a 42,000,000

(52:57):
three day domestic and 70 million globally.
So just shy of 100 million. That's insane.
To give some back on here, Sinners open to 48 and Final
Destination Bloodlines open to 51 million.
Weapons also got an A minus cinema score, which was under
Sinners which got an A but over Final Destination Bloodlines

(53:19):
which got AB plus. So not only is it the third
Warner Brothers horror movie to open #1 under Sinners and Final
Destination Bloodlines, but it'sclearly going to be like a huge
win, another huge win for WarnerBrothers.
And I think the movie was made under like 40 million.
So by next weekend, this movie would have already turned a nice

(53:41):
decent profit for Warner Brothers.
So Carlos, talk to me about the newcomers that we got here.
Yeah, like Naked Gun, Like, that's going to be a win.
Like, that movie probably cost them less than what Paramount
Plus pays for a couple of episodes of Star Trek that
nobody watches, right? So what a shame.

(54:02):
Yeah, you. Have a movie that came out in
theaters is going to have a tidylittle theatrical run and then
generate some interest for yourselves on Paramount Plus and
your streaming services. And then the Bad guys 2.
That movie probably didn't cost a ton to make and it's sitting

(54:23):
just under $100 million globallyright now.
And I think they had a staggeredroll out internationally.
So that'll be a win for Universal.
And you know, that's a movie that cost probably 1/8 of what
Elio cost and it's going to do like a 5 or 6 times multiplier

(54:44):
on what that movie did. And then, yeah, like you said,
freak your Friday and weapons like just cleaning up, right.
I, I think both of those movies far surpassed expectations,
meaning it's exceeding its budget in the first weekend.
That means that, you know, it'llbe padding out the Warner

(55:06):
Brothers coffers well through next week.
And it's got a ton of buzz around it too.
So I think Weapons has done really well and Freaker Friday,
like I, I think that's a pretty good result for that movie, like
the $30 million opening for something that probably didn't
cost a pile of money to make. And it's nice to have this feel

(55:32):
good story surrounding Lindsay Lohan after a couple rough
years. And yeah, to go back to my
previous comment, Freak, your Friday is probably a pretty good
metric as to what Devil Wears Prada 2 was going to do.
And I'm gonna suggest the Supergirl could trounce that.
So we we know, we know, we know the Zazz Daddy listens to our

(55:57):
show so well, you know. Yeah.
Moving up to that what we're doing here yeah I'd like to have
ADC movie for my birthday after a decade of Marvel movies on my
birthday weekend. So yeah, I, I think this is
great and this is good for theaters.
And this, this diversity and offerings and demographics is a

(56:20):
positive where you can have people going for date nights for
Freakier Friday or The Naked Gun, and you can have groups of
friends going to, you know, havethat mutual scare with something
like weapons. And then you have Family Fare
and the bad guys too and whatnot.
And this is what a healthy theatrical landscape looks like.

(56:46):
And then, yeah, you have Superman and Fantastic Four
playing in the background, right.
So those are those are your holdovers.
And. And that's just fine.
And we'll have a couple of new things coming out this week.
But yeah, I'm glad to see all these movies doing well.
You have no outright flops. Like, ironically, out of all the

(57:06):
movies playing right now, the only one that's going to be
losing money is going to be the Marvel Studios movie.
So yeah. At least.
Theatrically, I'm I'm sure that all the ancillaries and and
whatnot will make it whole. But yeah, like all those movies
that we've just discussed over the course of the show that have

(57:27):
come out, they're all going to be in the black at the box
office and then everything else is bonus.
So all that Dairy Queen, Blizzard money, those are those
shouldn't be counted on. That should be the stuff that
just right pushes things into a more holistically profitable
business model. But yeah, oh, I'm sure I'm.

(57:50):
Sure, there's as that. He's very happy that he called
it Dairy Queen and and got them on the line for that one for
sure. But yeah, no.
And I do want to give you a nicelittle virtual pen on the back
here cuz you were saying for weeks, but not that we were
trying to take any personal digsat Fantastic Four because we
weren't, we were trying to report the things like, you

(58:11):
know, as it was seen, because it's pretty drastic to talk
about. Believe me, it is.
But you were saying for weeks that competition was going to be
Fantastic Four's main crux, right?
And it ended up being that case.I mean, who's to say that you
didn't already have people pre planning?
Because I do. I do think that there are people
that do that. Like we're like, oh, well, you
know, weapons comes out the weeklater.

(58:32):
So, you know, I'll just go see Fantastic Four a few weeks
later, and I'm going to go wait for weapons or freaky or
fighting what I do. Do that.
Yeah. You had a Naked Gun reboot that
was very well received. And you have comedies that
aren't, you know, prioritize as much as they are.
So like, when you get a really good one in theaters, people are
probably going to want to go to the theater and check that out
because everybody wants to laugh.

(58:53):
When, when And everybody wants to cry.
Everybody wants to laugh. Yeah.
And then obviously. They better with a group, right?
Exactly right. So you did have competition is
like the key factor and all these things, right?
You had a naked gun, you had a an animated bad guys movie, and
I'm like you said, you had weapons and freak your Friday
all looming around Fantastic Four.
You know, by that point, Superman's already had a few

(59:15):
weeks to get a jump on outside of some of these movies.
So I don't think that it really affected Superman other too much
more so than it did Fantastic Four.
So that's going to be the key aswe continue to hammer home,
especially on this show, is thatcompetition is going to be the
key for these movies, especiallynext year, because not all of

(59:36):
them are going to make money. And that's just the nature and
the reality of things is that not everything is going to make
boatloads of money. But the the metrics for success
might just be a little bit varied, but that's how it's
always been. So there you go.
Because before we get on, we geton out of here and we plug away
here. Give me your summer report card.

(59:57):
Great. As we kind of loom in.
Towards the end of the summer here, was this a good summer?
Was this a great summer? Or was this just like an OK
summer? Because I believe off hand only
one movie cost a billion dollarswhich is Lilo and Stitch. 5
movies cost over 500 million plus.
I don't have all those off hand,but I know like F1, Superman,

(01:00:22):
Mission Impossible, Jurassic World Rebirth, and maybe another
one off hand that I'm not thinking of.
And only one movie is going to end up costing over 708 hundred
million, which is going to tentatively be or ultimately end
up being Jurassic World Rebirth.Oh, and How to Turn Your Dragon
was the other one that I was rounding out.
So there you go. So what?

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What's your thoughts on the summer of 2025?
Yeah. Like honestly, so this is what
like Q2Q3 I I'd give it a solid A minus because if you, I guess
like may kind of kicks off the summer.

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We have a pile of movies that exceeded expectations at the box
office and not only exceeded expectations, but were either
profitable at strictly the box office without taking in your
ancillaries or that we're massively profitable at the box
office. So you'll have Minecraft, Lilo

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and Stitch Sinners, How to Trainyour Dragon Thunderbolts, like
kind of your only ones that are Final Destination is another
one. And then F1, which we haven't
talked about nearly enough for the type of gangbusters business
that it's done. And then you have a couple that
are sniffing around that profitability.

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Mission Impossible did great, but it was just so bloody
expensive to go back to Chris's question that it might come up
short there for Paramount. And then, like Ballerina and 28
Days Later might be the only twothat I can think of that didn't

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bomb but didn't put any money into the studio coffers.
And then, yeah, like this month,you have a pile of wins.
And it's kind of like your Smurfs.
I know what you did last summer,but I don't know that that was
too expensive. And that was as a Netflix play

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for Sony as much as anything. And then ironically, after the
meteoric success of Lilo and Stitch, the two that are going
to end up in the red will be Fantastic Four and Elio big time
for Disney. But yeah, I, I think if you look
at the number of films released and when you have just kind of
that four off the top of my headthat were that are in the red

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with only Elio being significantly in the red, I
think it's a pretty good summer.And it's nice to see a bit of
diversity and offerings as far as the types of films that are
being released. It's nice to see the Jurassic
kicked ass the way that it did. So that's kind of cool.
And yeah, I, I think it's a solid, solid win for the box

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office. It's, you know, the numbers
overall might be down, but when your studios aren't taking a
bath, that keeps them healthy and in a position where they can
put out movies. And when they're putting out
movies, that'll give your exhibitors things to show into
woo audiences with. And hopefully they can come up

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with a Better Business model between the two of them, maybe a
fairer split between the studiosand exhibitors, especially in
those first two weeks. And with that also bringing
costs down for consumers. And I think, you know, a little
bit of short term pain on the ledgers for the studios might

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translate into longer term health for for the industry as a
whole. Yeah, no, I, I, I completely
agree with you. I was leaning more towards
somewhere like AB plus A minus because it felt like we had some
big movies, but we had more likemodest successes that kind of
just circled around the zeitgeist here.
But it let's say like it wasn't a bad time by any stretch of the

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means because you had a lot of films that just dominated the
conversation more than anything.And so the same as you do want
that. But the good part is I think
next year is going to be like anA+ plus.
Just looking on paper for the summer of next June.
Oh boy, is that going to be a fun one to monitor, especially
for for us in general. And this show, is that going to

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be a really fun one to break down a monitor next year?
Like I'm really excited, especially if everything hits
and lands. Man, that's going to be crazy.
But I do want someone to point out, because I know you and I
did a fun game too. We were predicting like the
month of July and I know I was like the highest on Jurassic.
I think it was like either, I think I had it like 800 or 900.

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So regardless, I might be 50 million shy here, which was a
good event against dinosaurs, asmuch as I wanted to put Superman
as my highest one. But it's interesting, right,
'cause you had so many people wanting to write that one off
and it being one of the lowest grossings and it's going to end
up being the second highest grossing movie next to Lilo and
Stitch. So yeah, man, no.

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Props to you, You were the only one that I know had.
All your face, yeah. Behind the dinosaurs and even I
like as big of a Jurassic fan asI am, I was like, yeah, I just.
I think this one is a little tooclose to its last release, but
yeah, no you, you and Scarjo, maybe it's proved everybody
wrong. We.

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Each have nice legs haha. Get get what I'm saying, you
know, nice, nice, but no awesomeman.
I think this is this is a great one, but it's probably a great
way to put a pin on this show. So as I said, you know, we we
learned more in comic book. Have you here?
But we we kind of anticipated and it's dominating the field as
of now. So thank you everybody for all

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the support that you continue togive us.
And thank you, Chris, again for sending us that question and
offered a really nice discussionas we kind of tied everything in
on this episode. But tell everybody where they
can find you, Sir. You know what?
Basically here, hanging out withmy boy Zayi and at Canadian Cape
Crusade are on Twitter. It's kind of the only other

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place and I've done a few shows,some stuff with the Batman on
Film crew and our guy Javi doinga breakdown of Batman Beyond or
Batman Begin. Sorry, we're the Batman.
I was. I was gonna.
Say, Harvey. Harvey knows better not to do
any Batman Beyond things withoutwithout, You know, the two of us
here, We're a package deal here.Come on now.
Yeah. No, Batman began.

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So we we did a fun show on one of the chapters of that movie
and then OK, Batman book club, Iwas recently on there talking,
celebrating the summer of Superman, talking The Dark
Knight over Metropolis. So, but this is my this is my
new mainstay. And yeah, find me here and on
Twitter music about the all things box office and beyond.

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Damn right. Damn right.
Terrific, terrific. Go check all that stuff out that
Carlos is going. It's terrific and going to
definitely be worth the lesson for sure.
I'm on Twitter, letterbox and Instagram at Nick Xeni.
I do also have written reviews of that movie archer.com.
I must notably have Star Trek Strange in the World.
I'll have a highest to lowest review which is the new Spike

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Lee movie coming in the near future and spoil it.
I will have Peacemaker season 2 review.
Is that because I've already seen the 1st 5 episodes?
Right about you as this recording is up.
The 1st 5 episodes of PeacemakerSeason 2.
Big shout out to HBO for sendingthose episodes my way.

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Spoil it. You're going to want to check it
out, but in first mainstay Vigilante 1939.
We'll be back in the near futurehere.
Of course I do. I want to shout out Super Secret
HQ with my guy Josh. There's an episode coming out
where I did a more in depth box office breakdown of Superman and
Fantastic Four. That was a really interesting
conversation that I had with Josh on that funds.

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And yeah, so I'm a little bit all over the place still here.
So I'm in that little phase now.Well, hopefully people don't get
enough of me or too much of me, but that's about do it for this
week's episode. So thank you, Carlos.
Thank you again, everybody for checking us out and box office
man, I'll be back as we now leadinto the fall of 2025 S for

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Carlos. My name is Nick Zennick.
And as we always say here, we are going to be back to the box
office and beyond. Peace, everybody.

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