July 14, 2025 • 43 mins
On this installment of Box Office Beyond, Zeddy and Carlos discuss the opening weekend results for James Gunn's "Superman", the performance for "Jurassic World Rebirth" and whether "The Fantastic Four: First Steps" will have any juice left?
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This show is about to be so punkrock.
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And welcome back to a brand new episode of Box Office Beyond.
This is a sub show of Vigilante 1939 podcast where we breakdown
all these box office predictions, projections,
results and any big news surrounding the world of box
office entertainment. And it's except So we are
discussing the opening weekend for James Gunn, Superman,
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Jurassic World rebirths, first and second weekends, and we're
going to be talking about what we have left in the remainder of
the summer. I am one of your Co S here, Nick
Zenik and joining me each and every episode.
He's always the Bruce Wayne to my Terry McGinnis, my great fun.
Carlos, welcome back. Weather.
It's been a minute. Well, it hasn't been that many
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minutes though. This is a shorter gap than we
usually have between recordings together because of doing a bit
of pinch hitting in the absence of Nico there with the Superman
press screen at night. But yeah, no, it's, it's good to
be back and to kind of have sometangible numbers to now follow
up all the speculation that led into not only the release of the
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movie, but even some of our discussions around it.
So yeah. Yeah, which selfish plug is not?
Anybody wants to listen to our non spoiler review of Superman?
Carlos joined myself and Mr. Nicholas Junior on episode.
It was a fantastic discussion, all three of us riding a rather
significant high, must I say. And for those wondering, because
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this episode will be out before our spoiler review of Superman
is, Nico has seen the movie, he loved it, and we of course
cannot wait to break it down into more spoiler happy
territory on our next vigilante episode.
But Carlos, you brought it up. You kicked it off brilliantly,
so eloquently, as you always do here.
The longly awaited return reintroduction we launch of
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Superman into the brand new DC Universe is in full effect here.
Box office projections were through the roof on this thing.
Any pundit that was a pundit or wanted to be a pundit would
throw out any number, tangible number that they can think of.
Our great guy Luis Fernando, whois our guy to follow when it
comes to this kind of stuff, wasprobably having a block a ball
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I'm sure trying to trying to project where this thing was
going to fall under. And we got some results here.
So the movies came out. It had not only had a A minus
cinema score, which is on par with Man of Steel, the last
Superman movie to FF theaters back in 2013.
It's also on par with The Batmanand Aquaman.
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The similar score is above Superman Returns and which got
AB Plus and BBS got AB. It made 22.5 million in total
preview screenings. That counts the Amazon Prime
early screening and obviously the Thursday number there or the
Wednesday screening. Excuse me.
Which is actually going to serveas James Gunn's best preview
opening that he's had in the comic book movie space.
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That's really impressive, and it's the number two biggest
opening in James Gunn's career total, which actually beats
Guardian. Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3
is 118.4 and obviously the movieitself had a 122 $1,000,000
opening, which Man of Steel I believe came out to 128 when you
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factor in it's Thursday preview screenings.
Otherwise you would have topped out at 1:16 for Man of Steel.
But because you come Thursday preview, I believe Man of Steel
comes out at 1:28. But all of that being said,
Carlos, everything this movie had to do, I think cannot be
understated enough. On top of being a comic movie in
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the heart of summertime. Yeah.
So how do you feel about these results as familiar, You know,
like, is this, should we be satisfied with this?
This is a little underwhelming. Is it somewhere in the middle?
Is there a positive spin on this?
How do you feel about Superman'sopening week on at least as of
today? Yeah, I think like all things
being equal, it's a pretty solidopening.
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It's, it's not the runaway freight train of success that I
was hoping it would be, but at the same time it's, it's an
excellent opening. Like you said, it's ahead of
where its predecessor was. It's the number one Superman
opening of all time. I, I think the biggest thing for
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me to kind of when I finally gotto drink in the numbers and kind
of assess where this one opened versus where Man of Steel opened
and remembering back to Man of Steel opening, Man of Steel was
coming off of The Dark Knight trilogy and it was coming off of
The Avengers. So not only were people really
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anticipating a Superman movie, but they were really, really
high on comic book movies in general, probably the highest
that they they could be. So look at the context of that
movie's opening. And people were genuinely
excited and kind of the drum beat was that this is now the DC
turn to start marching towards the joint cinematic universe.
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And there was some understandingthat, you know, we we kind of
took a delay so that Nolan coulddo his thing.
But because that was such a a grand, unparalleled journey
through Batman's universe, therewas some there's some grace and
acceptance for it. So, yeah, Superman comes around
and it, it put up a huge number.But then you look at the
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collateral things like the critical reception, the audience
reception, a score and then the legs on that movie.
And I, I think that you take that into account.
And then you look at Superman's opening, and Superman opens at a
time where faith and goodwill towards the DC brand is probably
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at the lowest it possibly could be, right your lot.
Yep. Branded Movie was an
unparalleled flop in Joker 2 andso faith.
In. These.
Yeah, and you had those you had those 3 movies the year before
which all tanked, right? So confidence was low.
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And then on the other side of that where you had The Avengers
heading into Man of Steel, you have a floundering MCU where the
only movie that really performedjuggernaut business was the
Deadpool, which is kind of this Fox adjacent, pretty unique film
where you had an audience that you wouldn't normally have
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heading into this thing. So I think the opening for
Superman is solid. It it's, you know, I, I was
hoping for this meteoric success.
It, it wasn't that. But at the same time, by all
accounts, you're kind of what, $8 million away from matching
your production budget by the time Monday rolls around.
So. Yeah.
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And all indicators are that'll have some legs, right?
That cinema score, the audience score.
And I also think the word of mouth on this one will be
excellent. You'll have all those people who
are mildly interested asking their friends who actually saw
the film if it's worth them getting off the couch to go see.
So you get some buy in from them.
You'll get the parents that, youknow, we've had a decade where
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you couldn't assume that you could take your kids to a
Superman movie because of some of the choices that they made.
And now we have one that you canconfidently recommend to parents
with young kids. So you'll get that crowd.
And then I also think like some of the bad faith arguments that
were made around the movie and some of the messaging in it,
like they they don't hold any water at all.
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And so, you know, it's a very wise man once said lies, run
sprints, truth runs, marathons. So I think that kind of
distraction will be erased pretty quick.
And yeah, I think like, I'm veryconfident actually in the legs
for Superman, to be honest with you.
It's just it's a fun movie. It's enjoyable.
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Like I ended up seeing it three times, not entirely planned.
And I I was thoroughly entertained in my third viewing.
And maybe if someone was to say,yeah, we're going to the movie
tonight, I, I wouldn't be kick kicking my heels.
So that's a good sign too. Because yeah, when my wife
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wanted to go see BVS again, I literally took a flask into the
theatre with. Ask you why?
Yeah, no, that that that's moviesaid.
I think it's it's a really solidopening.
In fact, I would even say that it probably is a great opening
given all things considered everything that you laid out
itself, right. I mean, the movie needed to
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regain the trust back into the audience who has been so, you
know, programmed in their mind to just expect the
disappointment when it comes to a decent movie that's not named
like Batman, Aquaman or Wonder Woman.
You know, when you look at the overwhelming successes that
we've had in the last like 1010 years of DC movies, right?
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This is a long time coming. And really I was just hoping
that cause the projections were so like miniscule, like O90 to
like 175, this movie could open.Like the range was so wide that
I was honestly like as long as it opens to over 100 million, I
think we're in a great spot. Like, you know, you and I have
been talking box office and following this for a long time
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or, you know, the box office is a marathon, not a Sprint, right?
So as long as it has like a relatively solid opening and it
it can have great legs after thefact.
Like it's got to have a great cinema score.
The on end scores have to be great and critics have to like
it just enough. Like you, you get the, you get
the trifecta and you know, you circle that with like $100
million opening and I think you're, you're in a pretty great
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spot. Obviously, you said it yourself
too. I've seen a lot of kids.
I saw a lot of kids coming out of Superman in the second, my
second and third viewings that Ihad, which was good, had a lot
of people mention that this was a lot different than Man of
Steel. So that right away just shows
you that this this movie needed to, you know, really set
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everything up admirably, especially because this is a
brand new universe in James Gunn's Commons of, you know, the
movie being a double and not notnecessarily a home run, I guess
kind of make a lot more sense. And maybe you don't have to we
don't have to put a negative connotation on that.
It could just mean that this is a movie that's going to set
comic movies in a nice path, especially for DC moving
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forward. And it gets the people wanting
to go see Superman again, right.So honestly, like, I don't
really see this as a disappointment.
I'm kind of like you, obviously online hype and things like that
would indicate that this movie was going to be like a Deadpool
and Wolverine where it was goingto make like 500 million and in
its opening weekend, right? But this, this is a great start.
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I would I would say so myself. I mean, as long as you know,
there's genuine interest to be had, I don't see this as a
disappointment at all. Maybe a little underwhelming
because it didn't hit the high end of the number, but that's
the case with most movies when it falls just a little bit
short. But I take this as a win in my
book. Oh yeah, no, I, I, I agree.
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Like even a three times multiplier will get you to kind
of that 650 number. And I think that that's very
doable seeing as we're kind of in the, the apex this summer,
right. So it's got two weeks all to
itself. It'll open up against like
Fantastic Four is its next big competition, but it keeps all
the PLFS till then. I I know that for a fact because
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I tried to find the PLF screening of Jurassic and
there's none to be had this Saturday quarter.
I know. So yeah.
And then you, you know, like those things only count for
something if people are going tobuy tickets and all the other
metrics kind of indicate that they are like, we went to
freaking Dairy Queen the other day and there is a pile of
people buying Superman Blizzards.
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So these are kind of the intangible things that I think
will help the legs on this one. Yeah.
And, and like, I, I just know that this is a movie that movie
theaters were excited about and we're definitely looking forward
to because there wasn't one AMC theater that I can go to.
I didn't see people wearing likethe Superman shirt on or
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merchandise being all over the place.
But it's already like movie theater.
We're excited about the prospects of this movie and they
know that they're going to keep this movie in theaters probably
well to the end of summer. So I don't think this movie is
going to get cut off anytime soon.
We just have to play that it it has great legs, which not all
comic movies have had as of late.
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Most of them kind of just come out and then and they they
damper out after it's second or third weekend.
So if this can break the mold, you know, like like you said, if
this can top out like well, after 500,000,600 million, I
think DC Studios and Warner Brothers should be in a pretty
I'd be pretty happy with that number.
If you had asked me a few monthsago, I'd say no.
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I want this to hit like 800 million, you know, come close to
a billion. But that's just we we all want
that. But in a reasonable world with
like you said, you know, us hitting kind of like that peak
summertime or now we're a few weeks before kids going back to
school. I'd be happy if this kind of
tapped out around like that six 5700 range.
And I think that's a very fairlyreasonable expectation, I would
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say. Yeah, and it's like that the
international number is a bit ofa head scratcher.
But at the same time, yeah, I think the if you were to just
kind of look at all the studios across everything that they've
released come December and take a look at those international
numbers, I think they're going to be pretty depressed no matter
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what. Right And right.
Yeah, I, I think the proof will be in the pudding.
When we look at stuff that's newto some of those markets like
your Fantastic Fours and things like Wicked even, right?
Like that was a huge success last year and international, it
didn't really do much of anything.
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So I I think Superman is kind offollowing a similar trajectory
as that one. Yeah, and, and overseas is,
isn't, you know, what it once was, you know, pre COVID.
So that's the other thing to keep in mind is that it seemed
like overseas just in general, it's kind of having simulated
little downturn. So seems like more things often
than not or more domestic heavy front film.
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So that's just something to keepin mind, which I always kind of
figured Superman would be anyway, just for obvious
reasons. But we'll see.
The like you said, you know, it's got at least at least two
weeks before Fantastic Four. So we'll see what damage is
done, if any, if anything is done to it.
But very excited, you know, obviously I still, again, I
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don't think this is a number to be disappointed about as of this
recording. You know, we're recording on a
Sunday where the weekend numberswere made official, but that
could always be higher once the actuals come in on that Monday
and Tuesday. So we'll see what Superman ends
up. But obviously this will be fun
to kind of keep an eye on Carlosas we get up in the end of our
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summer here with Superman now hitting the fold here.
So really excited. Glad this one came out and glad
it seemingly had a relatively solid opening that again, I
don't think anyone should be disappointed about.
Obviously the comparisons to Manof Steel or past TCU movies were
going to be inevitable, but thisbeing the first in a hopeful
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brand new universe to come, I don't think this is adding to
anything to be upset about. No, no, not at all.
Not at all. I I think part of it too, for
all of us in the Phantom Space, is that we were hoping that it
would be an unequivocal. Just right.
Right, like that they're in the same orbit as each other.
It's like, yeah, the the arguments and the fighting with
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the short knives continues for alittle while longer yet.
Yeah. So, yeah.
So like hopefully it it, it has great lights.
I think it will because there's nothing that indicates that this
movie isn't a crowd pleasing movie to families, which is what
you need to do. So we will we'll see where
Superman falls in the coming weeks here by Carlos what came
out before Superman not to go onthe the other side because
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because life always finds a way with these dinosaurs.
That's for sure is Universal's latest Jurassic Park installment
or Jurassic World installment. That's Jurassic World lieber.
So obviously the the introduction to this dinosaur
franchise, you know, you had Scarlett Johansson at the 4th
point of this one, Mahershali, you had Jonathan Bailey from
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Wicked, You know, you had a brand new relaunch of the
infamous franchise, a long running Jurassic Park franchise.
This one, I guess was mixed to say the least.
Not only did it get AB Cinema story color, it's next to the
lowest since The Lost World which got AB Plus just came out
on 4th of July weekend. So it was that rare movie that
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has a three day and a five day. So the three day came just short
of 100 million. It topped out at about 91.5
million was a three day and the five day came just short under
150 million. It topped out at about
147,000,000 for its five day. Currently, at least as of today,
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it's it's at 232,000,000 domestic and globally it's it's
at about 5:30, about 520-9530. Globally.
The budget was only 180. I think comes out to be like 225
when you factor in marketing things like that.
But as of right now, our guy Luis Fernando and other box
office predicators have this movie roughly at about anywhere
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in between. I've seen 750 to 900 and seems
like 750 to 800 is the safe play, the more likely play, but
I, I guess it could go up to 900if Japan really loves it because
I don't think it's hit Japan just yet.
Because what are your thoughts on Jurassic World War?
Because I've seen so many different thoughts on whether or
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not this is an underwhelming disappointment, whether or not
it's a modest success. You know, I obviously people are
going to like the movie. They're not going to like the
movie. It's a Jurassic Park movie.
They've been mixed and see original, so no no surprise
whatsoever. What's?
But what's your take on the numbers so far with Jurassic
World Rebirth? I'm pleasantly surprised, like
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as a fan of this franchise, I I,I thought it would kind of tank
based on not only the cinema score and and just kind of the
sentiment around the movie, right?
Like people hadn't loved the last couple and they were like
kind of fool me once, shame on you.
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But yeah, I, I don't know why itis performing way better than I
thought it would. And even just the the drop was
like sub 60%. Mind you, it is a bit of a weird
week over week with the the Wednesday opening giving the
weekend drop a smaller, smaller precipice, right?
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Because you had two kind of debut days, which are going to
be your biggest days. But yeah, like I, yeah, I, I'm
pleasantly surprised 'cause I, I'm happy to know that we'll get
more of these, to be honest. Like the thing that I thought
would work against it the most is just its proximity to the
last chapter in the franchise and that it came out so soon
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after Dominion. It's only been like 3 years I
think, so not a long time. Yeah, we're like 2 and change,
to be honest, I think. But yeah, yeah, it, it's
performing admirably and it's it's probably going to
ultimately perform better than Superman on that international
stage. But yeah, good for us in the box
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office draft, I guess. But at, at at the same time,
yeah, I, I don't know that anybody really saw Jurassic
after, you know, if it was an all timer and, you know,
unquestionably the best since the original, sure, I could see
this thing Catching Fire. But, you know, given the
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reception that it had, I would have assumed that people would
have kind of walked away by thisweek.
But it's only been a week too, so let's see what happens
between now and next weekend. Yeah, I would definitely put
this in the camp that it's a modest yet surprising success.
The reason I say that is becauseyou know, we've I've long said
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it, especially we've gotten intoa few box office discussions on
mainstay vigilante about what's going to really win the summer
crown here and again. And I and I told people I'm
like, regardless of what this film's quality ends up being,
you know, there's, there's people just love to come out,
see these movies and it's just for some reason, like it doesn't
matter, Like everyone's going toshow up to go see this, to see
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this movie in international lives, the Jurassic Park
franchises as as they mainly always have.
So it just felt like a thing to you'd be foolish to bet against,
right? Obviously there were going to be
some diminishing returns to be had, much like all long running
franchises have. And honestly, had this movie
been a bit better, we probably wouldn't be in this discussion
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right now. I'd probably be at half a
billion right now. But there is something to be
said that this is most likely going to fall under being one of
the more lowest Jurassic Park movies, and it falls under 800
million. It feels crazy to say if that's
like the lowest because that's still a lot of money all things
considered. Well, even at the high end it'll
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be 250 less than its previous chapters, right?
So yeah, and the other one, like, just barely, and I mean
like just barely sneaks by a billion.
So this probably felt inevitableto say the least.
But you know, even if it gets there, I mean a whole brand new
cast, if you had three other people that were not named
Scarlett Johansson, Jonathan Bailey and Mahershali and you
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just put three unknown actors inthis movie, I still don't think
this movie performs as well as it did.
I definitely think you had a lotof curiosity with people just
wanting to see that cast and at least curious about the the
dinosaur elements. I for all we know that that
Beast Cinema Square might have been because the movie felt a
lot more horrifying than previous installments.
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I tuned in. There was a horror element to
this movie that I don't think that many people were expecting.
It might not be as prevalent, but it certainly was a lot
scarier. I felt like them previous
installments with with some of those sequences they had in the
movie. So was Universal expecting a
full blown billion in this movie?
I'm sure they absolutely will. I'm sure they were hoping when
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all and said and done, they werehoping to probably have a
Jurassic World, How to Tringle Dragon and Wicked quadruple
doing it. If anything, they probably had
three of the highest grossing movies in in their minds between
those those 3. So Jurassic World, I'm fully
expecting, in my humble opinion,is probably still going to win
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the summer box office, if slightly.
It feels like it might top out just barely.
And now granted, this is whatever Fantastic Four ends up
making and doing like, because that'll be like what the
instrument's life can certainly be long enough to the point
where it could be it could stillperform a lot better than than
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we think, right? So it's definitely going to be a
Sprint to the finish line, that's for sure.
But if I was still a betting manand you're telling me that
Jurassic World's rebirth can might still top out at about 800
million, that's still a pretty long, long wait for something
else to compete with, right? Like Superman and F4, what's
what's what have to have really great legs just to get to that
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number at this point still. Yeah, no, I I'm at the outset of
the summer, I I got to admit I wouldn't have been the one to
say that Jurassic would be the Idon't know the one taking home
the crown for that July three-way fight there.
But yeah, here we are. Here we are.
We'll see what Fantastic Four does, but I don't know.
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My my money is on Scar Joe. Yeah, I know.
So we'll see. I mean, yeah, like, no, no,
that's still impossible to be inthe second weekend and it's
almost at a half a billion. Still impressive.
Get all these consider with the mixed reception and the low
cinema score. So word of mouth though, word of
mouth will do that, that's for sure.
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But the other thing that I wanted to bring up because
before we move on to trying to predict Fantastic Four, I guess,
or project it is as of this recording and as of the month of
July, this has been a weird yearfor box office.
I would say original films have mainly dominated the fold here.
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Thunderbolts and Cap 4 came nowhere near close to what I
think anybody had under Bingo harder depending on who you
gonna ask I guess. But no film this year has
crossed a billion outside of Lilo and Stitch, which is only 5
million away from doing. And I believe it's sitting at
like 994,000,000 as of right now.
So it seems primed that that's going to be the movie that's
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going to hit a billion this yearwhen at one point somebody would
have said Minecraft domestically, it's still at 414.
So that's probably going to beatMinecraft domestic total or
it'll fall just short, I'm assuming.
And How to Train Your Dragon, which is the movie that most
people were saying is a lot better, looked a lot better and
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was going to be one of the most highest grossing movies of the
year, is really only at 560. So that's probably going to top
out them on the 606 fifty mark itself.
But what is your take on these remakes this year?
Because those felt like they were pretty safe bets to
dominate the field, if not come close to those comic book movies
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that we had coming out this year.
Like I'm not surprised that Liloand Stitch blew up the way it
did. Like that's a pretty like the
original animated film is prettybeloved.
And this on the the spectrum of remakes, seemed to be one of the
better ones and one of the better approaches with it.
They didn't overthink it. They gave you all the things
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that really endeared that original movie to you.
So Lilo and Stitch is not surprising, but How to Train
Your Dragon not having equal success is a bit surprising to
me because this is a generation of people that I, I was under
the assumption love those movies.
And, you know, if you had kind of the girls and moms going to
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Lilo and Stitch or be in the lion's share of that audience, I
thought you'd have the boys and dads hitting How to Train Your
Dragon. But it hasn't materialized.
It it'll be a hit and it'll, youknow, give them a tidy return on
investment. But there was a lot, and I mean,
a lot of chatter that this was in the conversation for being
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the highest grossing movie of the summer.
And it's not going to be that. And yeah, it's a little
surprising that it didn't completely blow the doors off
things. And to be honest, I'm even
shocked that a movie like Minecraft is going to handily
outgross it. So yeah, yeah, just goes to show
that anything can happen at the box office.
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Ain't yeah, ain't that ain't that true, right?
I mean, you know me, I love thatMinecraft movie.
Believe me, I do. But it being the the highest
rated video game of all time, I mean, just and you got that
being a Jack Black vehicle of all things, felt like it was a
success waiting waiting to happen.
But how to dream Dragon? I'm honestly going to say I'm
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the most surprised about this whole year in general too,
because like you said, I know a lot of people that were like
that's going to potentially be abillion dollar movie or one of
the highest grossing movies of the year.
And make no mistake, it's still a pretty good success,
especially for bringing Dreamworks's first live action
movie and it not being a bomb byany means necessary.
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I still think the second one will probably do a lot better
now that people most people thatthe general consensus was that
it was a it was a good adaptation.
But I think what should be fearsome and we'll tie this into
some how you know what our next year, because we got I believe
Moana is the next big live action Disney remake that that's
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coming. And we make in general is
whether or not the general audience is finally catching on
to these remakes, right? We say just points to be made
that they're they're kind of starting to drop more
significantly than they have before.
Mufasa, if this was any other year, would have definitely made
a billion. Lilo and Stitch is going to
barely scratch by a billion. And here's how to train your
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dragon, which is the most one ofthe most beloved animated
trilogies, just animated anythings in the past modern era
might have. Maybe it was too soon.
You know, it's why I'm worried about something about Moana
already hitting the live action spaces.
I think maybe, I guess there needs to be a lot more space in
between, you know, when they come out.
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So maybe that's also a lesson tobe learning is that just because
you transfer something in animation so well, that doesn't
mean that you can automatically do it in live action so soon and
and expect similar success. So maybe a tough lesson to be
learned. But you know what I I think
Universal Rd. green light Hauntinger tracker, first
sequel. So they must.
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They must seem pretty pretty happy and pretty content with it
already. Yeah.
Well, on the flip side of that coin, I don't think that those
movies were exorbitantly expensive to make, right?
So yeah, Yeah. Have a reprieve there.
Yeah. So just something to probably
mindful about because that was something that a lot of people
were were talking about in the beginning of the summer here.
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But as we hit the end of the summer or close to the end of
summer, because the month of August, let's be real, it's not
really, you know, a lot, a lot of people's radars in terms of
anticipated movie. So July, the end of July is
usually where everything comes full stop, right?
So ending July is what Marvel's hoping to replicate with
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Deadpool and Wolverine. We have Fantastic Four first up.
So this one is really having a very tepid.
Well, Carlos, I would say that'snot trying to be biased
whatsoever. But when you're caught in the
middle of Superman and get the third MCU movie and two of them
have not performed to metrics orto standards by any means
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necessary, this being the third attempt to get Fantastic Four
right, I believe, I believe ticket sales are well like
they're doing great. So I don't think this is going
to bomb by any stretch of the means.
It's probably going to open over100 million.
So that's good for Marvel. But what's your take on a four?
Like is there any juice left forthis movie do you think?
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Yeah, I don't know it. This one's probably the hardest
one for me to get a read on 'cause, you know, there was a
pile of times where you got to see the trailers for Jurassic,
Superman and Fantastic Four all in one trailer package before a
movie. And you know, Jurassic is
Jurassic. It seemed very classic.
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And between the Superman and Fantastic Four trailers, the
Superman one seemed to snap people's attention a bit more
consistently. And ironically, like if you
didn't know any better, you'd think that the Fantastic Four
movie was made by Zack Snyder. Like, it's kind of got this dark
tone to the whole thing. It's got this kind of dour type
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of aura to it, you know, And Fantastic Four historically has
been one of my favorite Marvel franchises.
Same here. I read a pile of Fantastic Four
when I was a kid. And, you know, may or may not
have returned all the Fantastic Four books to Saint Dominic's
elementary school when, when I went there.
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But yeah, I, I, I really don't know about this one.
People just don't really seem tobe crazy excited about it.
The tracking is kind of at that 125 on the high end.
Yeah. Which I think it'll it'll make
like there's people who are interested in it and what it
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could mean for the future. It's been a minute since we've
had a Marvel movie that's not connected to the TV shows.
So yeah, that might help it a bit too.
But at the same time, like, you got that Deadpool and Wolverine
spot, but you are not getting that Deadpool and Wolverine
audience because. Yeah, like there's a pile of
people who were going to that movie because they're fans of
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the Deadpool series, right? Like, I know a pile of guys that
I work with and, you know, a bunch of people kind of in my
family circle and whatnot that went to that just because they
love that irreverent Ryan Reynolds take on Deadpool and
and Wolverine to the mix is justbonus.
And because the film served up exactly what people wanted, that
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didn't hurt it either. Right.
So, yeah, I, I, I didn't actually realize it comes out on
the exact same day, but Yep. Yeah.
I, I think it's foolhardy to think it'll do the same numbers
that Deadpool and Wolverine did.Yeah.
To be honest, the thing I'm the most curious about is what the
drop is on Fantastic Four, because it's kind of like a bit
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of competition, like you've got the bad guys to which that first
movie, it found a following enough that they did an animated
series for it and stuff, right? So yeah, that might steal a bit
of your family audience. And then that Naked Gun remake,
that trailer plays like gangbusters every time it shows
up in the theatre, right? So.
Freaky or Friday? Yeah.
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Yes, and freaky or Friday comes out in there too, right.
So yeah, I, I don't think you'regonna have a, a Superman
Jurassic type situation, but youmight just have the death by
1000 cuts where, right. Well, and then you just add back
to school on top of it too. Yeah, right.
Like I would say probably eventing Jurassic probably
suffers the biggest loss at thatpoint.
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Yeah. But like, again, like, make no
mistake. I mean, right.
Like it just the Marvel brand just isn't what it used to be.
So like, if this is the one thatlike catches lightning in a
bottle back and gives Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios that
glimmer of hope that they can finally, you know, return back
to chorus and, you know, as a course correct their Avengers
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situation. And then you have spider Man,
which doesn't come out until like June or July of next year
itself. So that's a pretty significant
gap and a pretty significant break in between now and the one
the next. That's the movie come out a.
Sony movie, right? Right.
So, but this one's I'm totally with you.
Like it's hard to get a gauge onthis one because I feel like you
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can look at it like there is definitely hype and there's
definitely interest to try to see if this is the one thing.
If this is the take that following, it's fantastic for
you. Like honestly, same way as
Superman, it's just going to be the one that gets people back on
board, right? What would be interesting and
fascinating is if they both end up near the same, right?
Like for the longest time it wasalways like, Oh no, Superman's
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going to outgo S 4. No F4 is going to be the highest
grossing movie, right? I'm like, what if they both,
oddly enough, because they both had to do similar things anyway,
they both end up in a similar camp.
I mean, if Superman opened to 122 and F4 opens by three more
million, assuming that number holds, they're in similar
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ballparks anyway, so yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if we if
they finished their runs and they're within $6 million of
each other like. I wouldn't be surprised if one's
like 650 and the other one's like 7.
I mean, like really, I wouldn't like if it's like, if that's how
short the gap is, it might even be shorter, you know, But that
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that's pretty wild considering like the month of July, it was
like Jurassic F4 and Superman and it's like they might all
actually be very close to each other.
And that's pretty wild because Ithink if you had asked any of
us, we were like, one of them isgoing to win by a landslide.
It was like, now it might be like 50 million, you know, like
the cat might be like that shortbetween the three of them.
That's pretty crazy to me. Oh, yeah, no, I, I thought that
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one would, one would die for sure.
But yeah, I, I think your assessment might be correct that
all three kind of end up pullingsimilar weight.
And, and you know what, then it'll be up to the studios to
kind of decide if their, their gambit was a prudent one or if
it was foolish to stack these films all on top of each other.
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And yeah, well, I, I guess that that's something for for the
bean counters to figure out though.
But in like in like, so you know, I'm excited for it.
I hope it does well. I hope it is great, because
that's I think we're definitely overdue for a really good
Fantastic Four live action film as well.
But it's interesting. I mean, like I'm definitely be
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curious to see how this one dudejust by default settings it
being the last real big movie ofthe summer.
It's probably going to at least do well its first two weekends.
We'll see where it ends up falling, but it being the last
one to come out of the gate certainly help.
It's a little bit, but what's Superman only doing so well
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again? You know, it'll be interesting
to see if there's going to be enough juice left in the tank
for two of these movies to die and at least so close to each
other. So I don't know if I agree with
that decision, but we'll we'll see which one ends up coming on
on top, I guess. Oh, yeah, no, I'm, I agree.
I, I got to admit that I'm happythat Superman came out first and
that it had the reception that it did because I don't know,
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just people being people and critics being people.
Like I, I think the, the knives will be out for one of these two
movies. So, yeah, I'm, I'm glad that
Soups has kind of done its thingand will be, you know, well, the
president of Warner Brothers already put out an open letter
saying that he's quite pleased with where things ended up and.
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There you go. We're get.
We're getting more, everybody. There you go.
We're getting more. More is coming and he is this is
not a paid episode. I just want people to know too.
I like, you know, not a paid by anybody, you know, one of others
or nobody paid us to come and say out these things.
I just thought I thought I'd claim wrong because that's the
new thing too, is not everybody's paid to say certain
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things. So.
They could pay us. They could pay us and we would
certainly take it as would anybody else.
Just just saying. But yeah, so that is all I
believe, Carlos. Is there anything else you
wanted to bring up in the world of box office entertainment?
I guess here that we had. No, I think that's good for for
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this one. Like, yeah, it's definitely been
fascinating to kind of watch things play out.
And I'll be looking with bated breath to see what the next two
weeks of Superman does and what Fantastic Four opens to.
And like movies, typically within the first three weeks,
you've made the the majority of the money that you're going to
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make over the lifetime of your film.
So we'll kind of know where Jurassic will end up as well,
so. Absolutely.
It'll be good. There you go.
Yeah, no nice short, sweet one. I'm so we're excited with the
the Superman breakdown here. We want at least get a quick one
out and see what that one was going to bring us.
But yeah, so there was a great to be back here with Carlos.
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Three does and we'll see what the month of August brings us.
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The.
This show is about to be so punkrock.
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And welcome back to a brand new episode of Box Office Beyond.
This is a sub show of Vigilante 1939 podcast where we breakdown
all these box office predictions, projections,
results and any big news surrounding the world of box
office entertainment. And it's except So we are
discussing the opening weekend for James Gunn, Superman,
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Jurassic World rebirths, first and second weekends, and we're
going to be talking about what we have left in the remainder of
the summer. I am one of your Co S here, Nick
Zenik and joining me each and every episode.
He's always the Bruce Wayne to my Terry McGinnis, my great fun.
Carlos, welcome back. Weather.
It's been a minute. Well, it hasn't been that many
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minutes though. This is a shorter gap than we
usually have between recordings together because of doing a bit
of pinch hitting in the absence of Nico there with the Superman
press screen at night. But yeah, no, it's, it's good to
be back and to kind of have sometangible numbers to now follow
up all the speculation that led into not only the release of the
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movie, but even some of our discussions around it.
So yeah. Yeah, which selfish plug is not?
Anybody wants to listen to our non spoiler review of Superman?
Carlos joined myself and Mr. Nicholas Junior on episode.
It was a fantastic discussion, all three of us riding a rather
significant high, must I say. And for those wondering, because
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this episode will be out before our spoiler review of Superman
is, Nico has seen the movie, he loved it, and we of course
cannot wait to break it down into more spoiler happy
territory on our next vigilante episode.
But Carlos, you brought it up. You kicked it off brilliantly,
so eloquently, as you always do here.
The longly awaited return reintroduction we launch of
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Superman into the brand new DC Universe is in full effect here.
Box office projections were through the roof on this thing.
Any pundit that was a pundit or wanted to be a pundit would
throw out any number, tangible number that they can think of.
Our great guy Luis Fernando, whois our guy to follow when it
comes to this kind of stuff, wasprobably having a block a ball
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I'm sure trying to trying to project where this thing was
going to fall under. And we got some results here.
So the movies came out. It had not only had a A minus
cinema score, which is on par with Man of Steel, the last
Superman movie to FF theaters back in 2013.
It's also on par with The Batmanand Aquaman.
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The similar score is above Superman Returns and which got
AB Plus and BBS got AB. It made 22.5 million in total
preview screenings. That counts the Amazon Prime
early screening and obviously the Thursday number there or the
Wednesday screening. Excuse me.
Which is actually going to serveas James Gunn's best preview
opening that he's had in the comic book movie space.
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That's really impressive, and it's the number two biggest
opening in James Gunn's career total, which actually beats
Guardian. Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3
is 118.4 and obviously the movieitself had a 122 $1,000,000
opening, which Man of Steel I believe came out to 128 when you
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factor in it's Thursday preview screenings.
Otherwise you would have topped out at 1:16 for Man of Steel.
But because you come Thursday preview, I believe Man of Steel
comes out at 1:28. But all of that being said,
Carlos, everything this movie had to do, I think cannot be
understated enough. On top of being a comic movie in
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the heart of summertime. Yeah.
So how do you feel about these results as familiar, You know,
like, is this, should we be satisfied with this?
This is a little underwhelming. Is it somewhere in the middle?
Is there a positive spin on this?
How do you feel about Superman'sopening week on at least as of
today? Yeah, I think like all things
being equal, it's a pretty solidopening.
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It's, it's not the runaway freight train of success that I
was hoping it would be, but at the same time it's, it's an
excellent opening. Like you said, it's ahead of
where its predecessor was. It's the number one Superman
opening of all time. I, I think the biggest thing for
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me to kind of when I finally gotto drink in the numbers and kind
of assess where this one opened versus where Man of Steel opened
and remembering back to Man of Steel opening, Man of Steel was
coming off of The Dark Knight trilogy and it was coming off of
The Avengers. So not only were people really
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anticipating a Superman movie, but they were really, really
high on comic book movies in general, probably the highest
that they they could be. So look at the context of that
movie's opening. And people were genuinely
excited and kind of the drum beat was that this is now the DC
turn to start marching towards the joint cinematic universe.
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And there was some understandingthat, you know, we we kind of
took a delay so that Nolan coulddo his thing.
But because that was such a a grand, unparalleled journey
through Batman's universe, therewas some there's some grace and
acceptance for it. So, yeah, Superman comes around
and it, it put up a huge number.But then you look at the
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collateral things like the critical reception, the audience
reception, a score and then the legs on that movie.
And I, I think that you take that into account.
And then you look at Superman's opening, and Superman opens at a
time where faith and goodwill towards the DC brand is probably
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at the lowest it possibly could be, right your lot.
Yep. Branded Movie was an
unparalleled flop in Joker 2 andso faith.
In. These.
Yeah, and you had those you had those 3 movies the year before
which all tanked, right? So confidence was low.
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And then on the other side of that where you had The Avengers
heading into Man of Steel, you have a floundering MCU where the
only movie that really performedjuggernaut business was the
Deadpool, which is kind of this Fox adjacent, pretty unique film
where you had an audience that you wouldn't normally have
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heading into this thing. So I think the opening for
Superman is solid. It it's, you know, I, I was
hoping for this meteoric success.
It, it wasn't that. But at the same time, by all
accounts, you're kind of what, $8 million away from matching
your production budget by the time Monday rolls around.
So. Yeah.
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And all indicators are that'll have some legs, right?
That cinema score, the audience score.
And I also think the word of mouth on this one will be
excellent. You'll have all those people who
are mildly interested asking their friends who actually saw
the film if it's worth them getting off the couch to go see.
So you get some buy in from them.
You'll get the parents that, youknow, we've had a decade where
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you couldn't assume that you could take your kids to a
Superman movie because of some of the choices that they made.
And now we have one that you canconfidently recommend to parents
with young kids. So you'll get that crowd.
And then I also think like some of the bad faith arguments that
were made around the movie and some of the messaging in it,
like they they don't hold any water at all.
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And so, you know, it's a very wise man once said lies, run
sprints, truth runs, marathons. So I think that kind of
distraction will be erased pretty quick.
And yeah, I think like, I'm veryconfident actually in the legs
for Superman, to be honest with you.
It's just it's a fun movie. It's enjoyable.
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Like I ended up seeing it three times, not entirely planned.
And I I was thoroughly entertained in my third viewing.
And maybe if someone was to say,yeah, we're going to the movie
tonight, I, I wouldn't be kick kicking my heels.
So that's a good sign too. Because yeah, when my wife
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wanted to go see BVS again, I literally took a flask into the
theatre with. Ask you why?
Yeah, no, that that that's moviesaid.
I think it's it's a really solidopening.
In fact, I would even say that it probably is a great opening
given all things considered everything that you laid out
itself, right. I mean, the movie needed to
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regain the trust back into the audience who has been so, you
know, programmed in their mind to just expect the
disappointment when it comes to a decent movie that's not named
like Batman, Aquaman or Wonder Woman.
You know, when you look at the overwhelming successes that
we've had in the last like 1010 years of DC movies, right?
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This is a long time coming. And really I was just hoping
that cause the projections were so like miniscule, like O90 to
like 175, this movie could open.Like the range was so wide that
I was honestly like as long as it opens to over 100 million, I
think we're in a great spot. Like, you know, you and I have
been talking box office and following this for a long time
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or, you know, the box office is a marathon, not a Sprint, right?
So as long as it has like a relatively solid opening and it
it can have great legs after thefact.
Like it's got to have a great cinema score.
The on end scores have to be great and critics have to like
it just enough. Like you, you get the, you get
the trifecta and you know, you circle that with like $100
million opening and I think you're, you're in a pretty great
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spot. Obviously, you said it yourself
too. I've seen a lot of kids.
I saw a lot of kids coming out of Superman in the second, my
second and third viewings that Ihad, which was good, had a lot
of people mention that this was a lot different than Man of
Steel. So that right away just shows
you that this this movie needed to, you know, really set
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everything up admirably, especially because this is a
brand new universe in James Gunn's Commons of, you know, the
movie being a double and not notnecessarily a home run, I guess
kind of make a lot more sense. And maybe you don't have to we
don't have to put a negative connotation on that.
It could just mean that this is a movie that's going to set
comic movies in a nice path, especially for DC moving
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forward. And it gets the people wanting
to go see Superman again, right.So honestly, like, I don't
really see this as a disappointment.
I'm kind of like you, obviously online hype and things like that
would indicate that this movie was going to be like a Deadpool
and Wolverine where it was goingto make like 500 million and in
its opening weekend, right? But this, this is a great start.
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I would I would say so myself. I mean, as long as you know,
there's genuine interest to be had, I don't see this as a
disappointment at all. Maybe a little underwhelming
because it didn't hit the high end of the number, but that's
the case with most movies when it falls just a little bit
short. But I take this as a win in my
book. Oh yeah, no, I, I, I agree.
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Like even a three times multiplier will get you to kind
of that 650 number. And I think that that's very
doable seeing as we're kind of in the, the apex this summer,
right. So it's got two weeks all to
itself. It'll open up against like
Fantastic Four is its next big competition, but it keeps all
the PLFS till then. I I know that for a fact because
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I tried to find the PLF screening of Jurassic and
there's none to be had this Saturday quarter.
I know. So yeah.
And then you, you know, like those things only count for
something if people are going tobuy tickets and all the other
metrics kind of indicate that they are like, we went to
freaking Dairy Queen the other day and there is a pile of
people buying Superman Blizzards.
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So these are kind of the intangible things that I think
will help the legs on this one. Yeah.
And, and like, I, I just know that this is a movie that movie
theaters were excited about and we're definitely looking forward
to because there wasn't one AMC theater that I can go to.
I didn't see people wearing likethe Superman shirt on or
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merchandise being all over the place.
But it's already like movie theater.
We're excited about the prospects of this movie and they
know that they're going to keep this movie in theaters probably
well to the end of summer. So I don't think this movie is
going to get cut off anytime soon.
We just have to play that it it has great legs, which not all
comic movies have had as of late.
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Most of them kind of just come out and then and they they
damper out after it's second or third weekend.
So if this can break the mold, you know, like like you said, if
this can top out like well, after 500,000,600 million, I
think DC Studios and Warner Brothers should be in a pretty
I'd be pretty happy with that number.
If you had asked me a few monthsago, I'd say no.
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I want this to hit like 800 million, you know, come close to
a billion. But that's just we we all want
that. But in a reasonable world with
like you said, you know, us hitting kind of like that peak
summertime or now we're a few weeks before kids going back to
school. I'd be happy if this kind of
tapped out around like that six 5700 range.
And I think that's a very fairlyreasonable expectation, I would
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say. Yeah, and it's like that the
international number is a bit ofa head scratcher.
But at the same time, yeah, I think the if you were to just
kind of look at all the studios across everything that they've
released come December and take a look at those international
numbers, I think they're going to be pretty depressed no matter
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what. Right And right.
Yeah, I, I think the proof will be in the pudding.
When we look at stuff that's newto some of those markets like
your Fantastic Fours and things like Wicked even, right?
Like that was a huge success last year and international, it
didn't really do much of anything.
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So I I think Superman is kind offollowing a similar trajectory
as that one. Yeah, and, and overseas is,
isn't, you know, what it once was, you know, pre COVID.
So that's the other thing to keep in mind is that it seemed
like overseas just in general, it's kind of having simulated
little downturn. So seems like more things often
than not or more domestic heavy front film.
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So that's just something to keepin mind, which I always kind of
figured Superman would be anyway, just for obvious
reasons. But we'll see.
The like you said, you know, it's got at least at least two
weeks before Fantastic Four. So we'll see what damage is
done, if any, if anything is done to it.
But very excited, you know, obviously I still, again, I
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don't think this is a number to be disappointed about as of this
recording. You know, we're recording on a
Sunday where the weekend numberswere made official, but that
could always be higher once the actuals come in on that Monday
and Tuesday. So we'll see what Superman ends
up. But obviously this will be fun
to kind of keep an eye on Carlosas we get up in the end of our
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summer here with Superman now hitting the fold here.
So really excited. Glad this one came out and glad
it seemingly had a relatively solid opening that again, I
don't think anyone should be disappointed about.
Obviously the comparisons to Manof Steel or past TCU movies were
going to be inevitable, but thisbeing the first in a hopeful
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brand new universe to come, I don't think this is adding to
anything to be upset about. No, no, not at all.
Not at all. I I think part of it too, for
all of us in the Phantom Space, is that we were hoping that it
would be an unequivocal. Just right.
Right, like that they're in the same orbit as each other.
It's like, yeah, the the arguments and the fighting with
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the short knives continues for alittle while longer yet.
Yeah. So, yeah.
So like hopefully it it, it has great lights.
I think it will because there's nothing that indicates that this
movie isn't a crowd pleasing movie to families, which is what
you need to do. So we will we'll see where
Superman falls in the coming weeks here by Carlos what came
out before Superman not to go onthe the other side because
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because life always finds a way with these dinosaurs.
That's for sure is Universal's latest Jurassic Park installment
or Jurassic World installment. That's Jurassic World lieber.
So obviously the the introduction to this dinosaur
franchise, you know, you had Scarlett Johansson at the 4th
point of this one, Mahershali, you had Jonathan Bailey from
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Wicked, You know, you had a brand new relaunch of the
infamous franchise, a long running Jurassic Park franchise.
This one, I guess was mixed to say the least.
Not only did it get AB Cinema story color, it's next to the
lowest since The Lost World which got AB Plus just came out
on 4th of July weekend. So it was that rare movie that
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has a three day and a five day. So the three day came just short
of 100 million. It topped out at about 91.5
million was a three day and the five day came just short under
150 million. It topped out at about
147,000,000 for its five day. Currently, at least as of today,
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it's it's at 232,000,000 domestic and globally it's it's
at about 5:30, about 520-9530. Globally.
The budget was only 180. I think comes out to be like 225
when you factor in marketing things like that.
But as of right now, our guy Luis Fernando and other box
office predicators have this movie roughly at about anywhere
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in between. I've seen 750 to 900 and seems
like 750 to 800 is the safe play, the more likely play, but
I, I guess it could go up to 900if Japan really loves it because
I don't think it's hit Japan just yet.
Because what are your thoughts on Jurassic World War?
Because I've seen so many different thoughts on whether or
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not this is an underwhelming disappointment, whether or not
it's a modest success. You know, I obviously people are
going to like the movie. They're not going to like the
movie. It's a Jurassic Park movie.
They've been mixed and see original, so no no surprise
whatsoever. What's?
But what's your take on the numbers so far with Jurassic
World Rebirth? I'm pleasantly surprised, like
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as a fan of this franchise, I I,I thought it would kind of tank
based on not only the cinema score and and just kind of the
sentiment around the movie, right?
Like people hadn't loved the last couple and they were like
kind of fool me once, shame on you.
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But yeah, I, I don't know why itis performing way better than I
thought it would. And even just the the drop was
like sub 60%. Mind you, it is a bit of a weird
week over week with the the Wednesday opening giving the
weekend drop a smaller, smaller precipice, right?
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Because you had two kind of debut days, which are going to
be your biggest days. But yeah, like I, yeah, I, I'm
pleasantly surprised 'cause I, I'm happy to know that we'll get
more of these, to be honest. Like the thing that I thought
would work against it the most is just its proximity to the
last chapter in the franchise and that it came out so soon
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after Dominion. It's only been like 3 years I
think, so not a long time. Yeah, we're like 2 and change,
to be honest, I think. But yeah, yeah, it, it's
performing admirably and it's it's probably going to
ultimately perform better than Superman on that international
stage. But yeah, good for us in the box
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office draft, I guess. But at, at at the same time,
yeah, I, I don't know that anybody really saw Jurassic
after, you know, if it was an all timer and, you know,
unquestionably the best since the original, sure, I could see
this thing Catching Fire. But, you know, given the
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reception that it had, I would have assumed that people would
have kind of walked away by thisweek.
But it's only been a week too, so let's see what happens
between now and next weekend. Yeah, I would definitely put
this in the camp that it's a modest yet surprising success.
The reason I say that is becauseyou know, we've I've long said
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it, especially we've gotten intoa few box office discussions on
mainstay vigilante about what's going to really win the summer
crown here and again. And I and I told people I'm
like, regardless of what this film's quality ends up being,
you know, there's, there's people just love to come out,
see these movies and it's just for some reason, like it doesn't
matter, Like everyone's going toshow up to go see this, to see
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this movie in international lives, the Jurassic Park
franchises as as they mainly always have.
So it just felt like a thing to you'd be foolish to bet against,
right? Obviously there were going to be
some diminishing returns to be had, much like all long running
franchises have. And honestly, had this movie
been a bit better, we probably wouldn't be in this discussion
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right now. I'd probably be at half a
billion right now. But there is something to be
said that this is most likely going to fall under being one of
the more lowest Jurassic Park movies, and it falls under 800
million. It feels crazy to say if that's
like the lowest because that's still a lot of money all things
considered. Well, even at the high end it'll
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be 250 less than its previous chapters, right?
So yeah, and the other one, like, just barely, and I mean
like just barely sneaks by a billion.
So this probably felt inevitableto say the least.
But you know, even if it gets there, I mean a whole brand new
cast, if you had three other people that were not named
Scarlett Johansson, Jonathan Bailey and Mahershali and you
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just put three unknown actors inthis movie, I still don't think
this movie performs as well as it did.
I definitely think you had a lotof curiosity with people just
wanting to see that cast and at least curious about the the
dinosaur elements. I for all we know that that
Beast Cinema Square might have been because the movie felt a
lot more horrifying than previous installments.
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I tuned in. There was a horror element to
this movie that I don't think that many people were expecting.
It might not be as prevalent, but it certainly was a lot
scarier. I felt like them previous
installments with with some of those sequences they had in the
movie. So was Universal expecting a
full blown billion in this movie?
I'm sure they absolutely will. I'm sure they were hoping when
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all and said and done, they werehoping to probably have a
Jurassic World, How to Tringle Dragon and Wicked quadruple
doing it. If anything, they probably had
three of the highest grossing movies in in their minds between
those those 3. So Jurassic World, I'm fully
expecting, in my humble opinion,is probably still going to win
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the summer box office, if slightly.
It feels like it might top out just barely.
And now granted, this is whatever Fantastic Four ends up
making and doing like, because that'll be like what the
instrument's life can certainly be long enough to the point
where it could be it could stillperform a lot better than than
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we think, right? So it's definitely going to be a
Sprint to the finish line, that's for sure.
But if I was still a betting manand you're telling me that
Jurassic World's rebirth can might still top out at about 800
million, that's still a pretty long, long wait for something
else to compete with, right? Like Superman and F4, what's
what's what have to have really great legs just to get to that
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number at this point still. Yeah, no, I I'm at the outset of
the summer, I I got to admit I wouldn't have been the one to
say that Jurassic would be the Idon't know the one taking home
the crown for that July three-way fight there.
But yeah, here we are. Here we are.
We'll see what Fantastic Four does, but I don't know.
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My my money is on Scar Joe. Yeah, I know.
So we'll see. I mean, yeah, like, no, no,
that's still impossible to be inthe second weekend and it's
almost at a half a billion. Still impressive.
Get all these consider with the mixed reception and the low
cinema score. So word of mouth though, word of
mouth will do that, that's for sure.
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But the other thing that I wanted to bring up because
before we move on to trying to predict Fantastic Four, I guess,
or project it is as of this recording and as of the month of
July, this has been a weird yearfor box office.
I would say original films have mainly dominated the fold here.
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Thunderbolts and Cap 4 came nowhere near close to what I
think anybody had under Bingo harder depending on who you
gonna ask I guess. But no film this year has
crossed a billion outside of Lilo and Stitch, which is only 5
million away from doing. And I believe it's sitting at
like 994,000,000 as of right now.
So it seems primed that that's going to be the movie that's
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going to hit a billion this yearwhen at one point somebody would
have said Minecraft domestically, it's still at 414.
So that's probably going to beatMinecraft domestic total or
it'll fall just short, I'm assuming.
And How to Train Your Dragon, which is the movie that most
people were saying is a lot better, looked a lot better and
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was going to be one of the most highest grossing movies of the
year, is really only at 560. So that's probably going to top
out them on the 606 fifty mark itself.
But what is your take on these remakes this year?
Because those felt like they were pretty safe bets to
dominate the field, if not come close to those comic book movies
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that we had coming out this year.
Like I'm not surprised that Liloand Stitch blew up the way it
did. Like that's a pretty like the
original animated film is prettybeloved.
And this on the the spectrum of remakes, seemed to be one of the
better ones and one of the better approaches with it.
They didn't overthink it. They gave you all the things
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that really endeared that original movie to you.
So Lilo and Stitch is not surprising, but How to Train
Your Dragon not having equal success is a bit surprising to
me because this is a generation of people that I, I was under
the assumption love those movies.
And, you know, if you had kind of the girls and moms going to
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Lilo and Stitch or be in the lion's share of that audience, I
thought you'd have the boys and dads hitting How to Train Your
Dragon. But it hasn't materialized.
It it'll be a hit and it'll, youknow, give them a tidy return on
investment. But there was a lot, and I mean,
a lot of chatter that this was in the conversation for being
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the highest grossing movie of the summer.
And it's not going to be that. And yeah, it's a little
surprising that it didn't completely blow the doors off
things. And to be honest, I'm even
shocked that a movie like Minecraft is going to handily
outgross it. So yeah, yeah, just goes to show
that anything can happen at the box office.
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Ain't yeah, ain't that ain't that true, right?
I mean, you know me, I love thatMinecraft movie.
Believe me, I do. But it being the the highest
rated video game of all time, I mean, just and you got that
being a Jack Black vehicle of all things, felt like it was a
success waiting waiting to happen.
But how to dream Dragon? I'm honestly going to say I'm
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the most surprised about this whole year in general too,
because like you said, I know a lot of people that were like
that's going to potentially be abillion dollar movie or one of
the highest grossing movies of the year.
And make no mistake, it's still a pretty good success,
especially for bringing Dreamworks's first live action
movie and it not being a bomb byany means necessary.
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I still think the second one will probably do a lot better
now that people most people thatthe general consensus was that
it was a it was a good adaptation.
But I think what should be fearsome and we'll tie this into
some how you know what our next year, because we got I believe
Moana is the next big live action Disney remake that that's
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coming. And we make in general is
whether or not the general audience is finally catching on
to these remakes, right? We say just points to be made
that they're they're kind of starting to drop more
significantly than they have before.
Mufasa, if this was any other year, would have definitely made
a billion. Lilo and Stitch is going to
barely scratch by a billion. And here's how to train your
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dragon, which is the most one ofthe most beloved animated
trilogies, just animated anythings in the past modern era
might have. Maybe it was too soon.
You know, it's why I'm worried about something about Moana
already hitting the live action spaces.
I think maybe, I guess there needs to be a lot more space in
between, you know, when they come out.
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So maybe that's also a lesson tobe learning is that just because
you transfer something in animation so well, that doesn't
mean that you can automatically do it in live action so soon and
and expect similar success. So maybe a tough lesson to be
learned. But you know what I I think
Universal Rd. green light Hauntinger tracker, first
sequel. So they must.
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They must seem pretty pretty happy and pretty content with it
already. Yeah.
Well, on the flip side of that coin, I don't think that those
movies were exorbitantly expensive to make, right?
So yeah, Yeah. Have a reprieve there.
Yeah. So just something to probably
mindful about because that was something that a lot of people
were were talking about in the beginning of the summer here.
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But as we hit the end of the summer or close to the end of
summer, because the month of August, let's be real, it's not
really, you know, a lot, a lot of people's radars in terms of
anticipated movie. So July, the end of July is
usually where everything comes full stop, right?
So ending July is what Marvel's hoping to replicate with
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Deadpool and Wolverine. We have Fantastic Four first up.
So this one is really having a very tepid.
Well, Carlos, I would say that'snot trying to be biased
whatsoever. But when you're caught in the
middle of Superman and get the third MCU movie and two of them
have not performed to metrics orto standards by any means
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necessary, this being the third attempt to get Fantastic Four
right, I believe, I believe ticket sales are well like
they're doing great. So I don't think this is going
to bomb by any stretch of the means.
It's probably going to open over100 million.
So that's good for Marvel. But what's your take on a four?
Like is there any juice left forthis movie do you think?
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Yeah, I don't know it. This one's probably the hardest
one for me to get a read on 'cause, you know, there was a
pile of times where you got to see the trailers for Jurassic,
Superman and Fantastic Four all in one trailer package before a
movie. And you know, Jurassic is
Jurassic. It seemed very classic.
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And between the Superman and Fantastic Four trailers, the
Superman one seemed to snap people's attention a bit more
consistently. And ironically, like if you
didn't know any better, you'd think that the Fantastic Four
movie was made by Zack Snyder. Like, it's kind of got this dark
tone to the whole thing. It's got this kind of dour type
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of aura to it, you know, And Fantastic Four historically has
been one of my favorite Marvel franchises.
Same here. I read a pile of Fantastic Four
when I was a kid. And, you know, may or may not
have returned all the Fantastic Four books to Saint Dominic's
elementary school when, when I went there.
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But yeah, I, I, I really don't know about this one.
People just don't really seem tobe crazy excited about it.
The tracking is kind of at that 125 on the high end.
Yeah. Which I think it'll it'll make
like there's people who are interested in it and what it
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could mean for the future. It's been a minute since we've
had a Marvel movie that's not connected to the TV shows.
So yeah, that might help it a bit too.
But at the same time, like, you got that Deadpool and Wolverine
spot, but you are not getting that Deadpool and Wolverine
audience because. Yeah, like there's a pile of
people who were going to that movie because they're fans of
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the Deadpool series, right? Like, I know a pile of guys that
I work with and, you know, a bunch of people kind of in my
family circle and whatnot that went to that just because they
love that irreverent Ryan Reynolds take on Deadpool and
and Wolverine to the mix is justbonus.
And because the film served up exactly what people wanted, that
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didn't hurt it either. Right.
So, yeah, I, I, I didn't actually realize it comes out on
the exact same day, but Yep. Yeah.
I, I think it's foolhardy to think it'll do the same numbers
that Deadpool and Wolverine did.Yeah.
To be honest, the thing I'm the most curious about is what the
drop is on Fantastic Four, because it's kind of like a bit
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of competition, like you've got the bad guys to which that first
movie, it found a following enough that they did an animated
series for it and stuff, right? So yeah, that might steal a bit
of your family audience. And then that Naked Gun remake,
that trailer plays like gangbusters every time it shows
up in the theatre, right? So.
Freaky or Friday? Yeah.
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Yes, and freaky or Friday comes out in there too, right.
So yeah, I, I don't think you'regonna have a, a Superman
Jurassic type situation, but youmight just have the death by
1000 cuts where, right. Well, and then you just add back
to school on top of it too. Yeah, right.
Like I would say probably eventing Jurassic probably
suffers the biggest loss at thatpoint.
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Yeah. But like, again, like, make no
mistake. I mean, right.
Like it just the Marvel brand just isn't what it used to be.
So like, if this is the one thatlike catches lightning in a
bottle back and gives Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios that
glimmer of hope that they can finally, you know, return back
to chorus and, you know, as a course correct their Avengers
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situation. And then you have spider Man,
which doesn't come out until like June or July of next year
itself. So that's a pretty significant
gap and a pretty significant break in between now and the one
the next. That's the movie come out a.
Sony movie, right? Right.
So, but this one's I'm totally with you.
Like it's hard to get a gauge onthis one because I feel like you
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can look at it like there is definitely hype and there's
definitely interest to try to see if this is the one thing.
If this is the take that following, it's fantastic for
you. Like honestly, same way as
Superman, it's just going to be the one that gets people back on
board, right? What would be interesting and
fascinating is if they both end up near the same, right?
Like for the longest time it wasalways like, Oh no, Superman's
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going to outgo S 4. No F4 is going to be the highest
grossing movie, right? I'm like, what if they both,
oddly enough, because they both had to do similar things anyway,
they both end up in a similar camp.
I mean, if Superman opened to 122 and F4 opens by three more
million, assuming that number holds, they're in similar
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ballparks anyway, so yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if we if
they finished their runs and they're within $6 million of
each other like. I wouldn't be surprised if one's
like 650 and the other one's like 7.
I mean, like really, I wouldn't like if it's like, if that's how
short the gap is, it might even be shorter, you know, But that
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that's pretty wild considering like the month of July, it was
like Jurassic F4 and Superman and it's like they might all
actually be very close to each other.
And that's pretty wild because Ithink if you had asked any of
us, we were like, one of them isgoing to win by a landslide.
It was like, now it might be like 50 million, you know, like
the cat might be like that shortbetween the three of them.
That's pretty crazy to me. Oh, yeah, no, I, I thought that
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one would, one would die for sure.
But yeah, I, I think your assessment might be correct that
all three kind of end up pullingsimilar weight.
And, and you know what, then it'll be up to the studios to
kind of decide if their, their gambit was a prudent one or if
it was foolish to stack these films all on top of each other.
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And yeah, well, I, I guess that that's something for for the
bean counters to figure out though.
But in like in like, so you know, I'm excited for it.
I hope it does well. I hope it is great, because
that's I think we're definitely overdue for a really good
Fantastic Four live action film as well.
But it's interesting. I mean, like I'm definitely be
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curious to see how this one dudejust by default settings it
being the last real big movie ofthe summer.
It's probably going to at least do well its first two weekends.
We'll see where it ends up falling, but it being the last
one to come out of the gate certainly help.
It's a little bit, but what's Superman only doing so well
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again? You know, it'll be interesting
to see if there's going to be enough juice left in the tank
for two of these movies to die and at least so close to each
other. So I don't know if I agree with
that decision, but we'll we'll see which one ends up coming on
on top, I guess. Oh, yeah, no, I'm, I agree.
I, I got to admit that I'm happythat Superman came out first and
that it had the reception that it did because I don't know,
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just people being people and critics being people.
Like I, I think the, the knives will be out for one of these two
movies. So, yeah, I'm, I'm glad that
Soups has kind of done its thingand will be, you know, well, the
president of Warner Brothers already put out an open letter
saying that he's quite pleased with where things ended up and.
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There you go. We're get.
We're getting more, everybody. There you go.
We're getting more. More is coming and he is this is
not a paid episode. I just want people to know too.
I like, you know, not a paid by anybody, you know, one of others
or nobody paid us to come and say out these things.
I just thought I thought I'd claim wrong because that's the
new thing too, is not everybody's paid to say certain
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things. So.
They could pay us. They could pay us and we would
certainly take it as would anybody else.
Just just saying. But yeah, so that is all I
believe, Carlos. Is there anything else you
wanted to bring up in the world of box office entertainment?
I guess here that we had. No, I think that's good for for
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this one. Like, yeah, it's definitely been
fascinating to kind of watch things play out.
And I'll be looking with bated breath to see what the next two
weeks of Superman does and what Fantastic Four opens to.
And like movies, typically within the first three weeks,
you've made the the majority of the money that you're going to
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make over the lifetime of your film.
So we'll kind of know where Jurassic will end up as well,
so. Absolutely.
It'll be good. There you go.
Yeah, no nice short, sweet one. I'm so we're excited with the
the Superman breakdown here. We want at least get a quick one
out and see what that one was going to bring us.
But yeah, so there was a great to be back here with Carlos.
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Well, obviously we'll we'll track how the remaining big
Three does and we'll see what the month of August brings us.
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