April 10, 2025 • 54 mins
Ben is running solo this week with the two episodes that were released together in one night from Daredevil: Born Again.
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Daredevil Born Again season one episode five and
six with interest and excessive
force.
Welcome to level seven,
a podcast about Marvel's Agents of S. H.
I. E. L. D. And the Marvel Cinematic
Universe.
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It's a magical place.
Hello, everyone. It's me, Ben. Ben Avery here
flying solo to talk about Daredevil Born Again
season one episodes five and six.
And I'm actually excited to talk about these
episodes, not because
Samantha's not here, not because Stewart's not here.
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For those of you unfamiliar with the show,
I don't normally do these solo episodes. I
do have two cohosts, Samantha and Stewart.
Both of them were not able to be
here. I'll talk more about that in just
a moment. This podcast is a podcast about
the Marvel Cinematic Universe and that means TV,
that means streaming, that means movies, and right
now that means Daredevil
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born again. And so just to warn you,
we do spoil everything. And if you're just
joining us for the first time here, I
am going to talk about these two episodes
of Daredevil Born Again with
full on spoilers. Not only that, I might
talk about things from
Daredevil season one, Daredevil season two,
and or
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the earlier episodes of Daredevil Born Again. So
that is kind of our spoiler policy. If
we've talked about it on the podcast before,
we are
it's open season
on spoilers. And so I will be talking
about in-depth
episode five and episode six of Daredevil
Born Again, but I'll be doing it by
myself.
When we were trying to set up a
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time to record, Samantha, Stuart and I, there's
things going on in their lives.
Life comes first, that's what we always say
about podcasting.
Samantha had some family stuff,
the baby and and just things going on
with that.
And I asked Stuart if he could help.
And he said help with what? And I
I said can you help record about Daredevil
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Born Again? He said what's that? What what
is that? I said it's a Marvel. It's
a Marvel show. And and Stewart said what
what's Marvel?
I I don't I don't know what you're
talking about. And I said well, you you
co host a podcast about Marvel TV and
movies. And he said, I I don't do
that. I'd co host a podcast about Disney,
like, about the Disney parks and and stuff.
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Like, what what are you talking about? What's
this Marvel thing you're talking about? And I
said, hey. It's me, Ben. Ben Avery, your
friend. He said, who are you? I don't
even know you.
And
it was it was a weird conversation.
And,
in in the end, he said, well, you
should probably record about it yourself. And I
said, okay. And and yeah. So none of
that was true, but I I do hope
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that Stewart does end up listening to this
episode at some point in time and hears
me talking about him the way I used
to talk about dandy Daniel Butcher.
So,
anyway,
I did ask them if if anyone wanna
be able to record about this, and they
said no, not in a timely manner. And
so I said, well, let's I'll I'll go
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solo and they said that's not a bad
thing.
Samantha,
however,
did have some
comments to make about this
these two episodes. So I'm gonna talk a
little bit about that. Talk a little bit
about the episodes, why I liked them because
I did. I liked both of these episodes
quite a bit. They both did different things,
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although they do kind of dovetail together and
that kinda goes to,
Samantha's Samantha's biggest question. So she sent me
this note. She said,
at Ben Avery, you might want to do
a solo episode which is something I don't
want but it's becoming clearer that it'll be
necessary necessary this week. I thought the bank
heist episode was fun and it was great
to see Iosef Khan again. Because all the
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action was contained in and around the bank,
this could be a solo episode to show
someone who isn't familiar with a dare with
daredevil. It's almost a ship in a bottle
episode but all the locations are new to
the viewers.
And then, actually I'm gonna stop there because
Yeah, I'm gonna stop there. We'll talk about
the bank episode.
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We'll talk about that one. And then she
has a short paragraph about the next episode.
And then she has,
the thing I was going to talk about
to launch this conversation,
into
this particular topic that she has here. But,
yeah. Let's talk about the Bank Heist episode.
Because the Bank Heist episode, which
was actually called With Interest, which goes along
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with the whole banking theming.
So
good job. Clever, clever title.
The official
thing on on Disney is a day in
the life of Matt Murdock, goods and tenants,
forcing him to team up with a familiar
face. This episode, what I liked about it
was it really felt like a well, Samantha
called it a bottle episode, but it felt
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like an episodic TV
show.
It felt like this was just the bad
guy of the week.
And if this was regular Daredevil where
Matt Murdock is Daredevil in every episode
and this would be the one where, oh,
he has to figure out how does he
take care of the problem
without revealing who he is. And he still
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does that somewhat.
This episode had a lot going on in
it and there's a lot of fun stuff.
But again, like Samantha said, it was very,
very,
it'd be easy to just jump in and
watch the episode and just see
a one off adventure
kind of a thing. And
which was nice. The one off adventure is
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it was cool and it was a fun
adventure.
It didn't feel like
network television especially,
in one of the fight scenes
and and some of the language.
But
what they did with this episode
is what I wonder they had intended to
do with season one of Born Again
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from the beginning
before it kind of got revamped and before
they brought in Foggy and Karen and before
they knew that this was going to be
a show that was going to have,
all,
you know,
a whole bunch of of Punisher and and
that kind of thing.
Now again, I don't have any special information
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about what got changed.
I just know
that the tone
of what they had been talking about doing
wasn't to be like a She Hulk kind
of a thing, but it was to be
more like a typical
television show.
And and that might mean some more episodic
kind of things like I mean, we've gotten
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that already. I mean, you have the White
Tiger
trial.
That is kind of a its own episode.
And and then you have this one where
it's kind of doing its own thing. It's
not a lot of the,
the ongoing threads.
There's there's not a whole bunch of ongoing
threads where it's just,
we're gonna
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basically tell one long story. It's not like
Hawkeye when they were promoting that as being
a six episode series, six hour movie.
That's not what they were going for with
Daredevil
at all. I know that.
And so that does make me look at
an episode like this and think, okay,
what did they go back and
and make did they make a couple changes
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maybe to make it feel a little more
like there's
there's more of that that through line for
the season long
situation?
Or was it always just did they need
to even do much editing at all? I
just feel like that's what they were going
for with this episode was here's a one
off
adventure
for Daredevil.
Now what goes against what I'm saying is
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the way that this ties in thematically to
the whole idea of Matt Murdock not being
Daredevil.
He has given up the
the,
the mask.
And what I really like about this episode
is that he has to do daredevil stuff.
He's pushed into a situation where there's really
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no way around it. If he is going
to
do
anything to help, he's gonna use he's gonna
be able to use his powers,
but people are going to be hurt if
he doesn't.
And so
if he does not use his powers,
people will get hurt. And that's what pushes
him into things. And
I appreciate that about this episode that they
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are doing that to kind of push the
narrative
of Daredevil is not Daredevil right now. I
mean this is,
how many episodes in are we? Five episodes
and we've seen him in costume in the
first episode. We've seen him do a couple
moves in the fourth episode and now we
see him here actually doing some superheroing
in this episode where he is indeed,
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using his powers
and
there's
not the
that's not to say he hasn't used his
powers up until this point.
But
there there's not the equivalent
of the
the hallway fights
from season three, which was amazing.
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And, I will you will actually hear some
of my season three thoughts,
if you wait a few episodes because I'm
gonna put compile that together. But if you
don't wanna wait, go to patreon.com/welcome
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actually I don't need to do early access
because this one,
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it being just me, there's not gonna be
a lot on the cutting room floor of
extraneous
conversation because,
there's not a lot of back and forth.
I do need to figure out a way
to talk about Star Trek in the midst
of this, but,
you know, I I I don't know if
I'm going to be able to do that
or not.
But somehow, you know, usually we find a
way. You know, life
finds a way.
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So anyway,
where was I?
I said there's no extraneous stuff but I
I just,
do I edit this out now or not?
I mean, I was just talking about how
I'm not gonna need to but,
oh, yeah. The whole idea of him not
being daredevil
and then there's some fight scenes and the
one fight scene in the stairwell where it
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has to be silent because they don't want
the other bad guys to hear
what's going on
And that's that's cool.
And it was a cool fight.
It was tense.
And it was
it was hard for him to, you know,
get the win because he not only had
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to beat up the guy, but he had
to do so quietly and make sure the
guy was quiet.
Then you have the fight scene at the
end where he has put on one of
their masks. Now it's Saint Patrick's Day and
you have these Irish thieves coming to this
bank
and they are there to get a
specific,
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drawer from the vault and it's escaped my
mind what they call that. But anyway, that's
what they want and they figured out, you
know, they're not just there to get money
because aren't money in the vaults,
those vault drawer things. It's something specific they're
after.
And so
he they they come in and they have
masks on and I appreciate this. I didn't
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see this coming. I should have
Or maybe some of you did. I don't
know. Did you? Let us know in the
in the comments. But,
they take off their masks at the end
and he grabs a mask and puts it
on. And it just happens to be the
red one. And it's kind of funny because
we already had a reference when he's talking
to Camilla Khan's
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father about getting a loan.
His Camilla Khan's father says, oh you're not
wearing green. Watch out a leprechaun might pinch
you because of Saint Patrick's Day.
And he's like, oh,
But I I really I go for muted
colors because
I I want to make sure that, it
doesn't clash too bad. But he's put on
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this red mask now. And that is kind
of a symbolic moment for him where, okay,
it's not just,
that I'm doing my duty.
It's I am potentially
stepping back into
this
role that I have let go of.
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And so
there he is.
He's Daredevil, and he's wearing a red ski
mask.
And
I appreciate that moment quite a bit actually.
I appreciate it quite a bit because of
what it means for the character development
over
the course of the season, not just
in that one episode.
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And so here he is. He's got the
mask on and then he's he's he's basically
become Daredevil again.
And we're all very happy because that's what
we want. We want Daredevil back. So
okay.
So that's a a big moment, a big
deal.
You have some small moments that are also
kind of big deals because this is the
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episode where they bring in Kamala Khan's
dad. And I know for myself, there were
some concerns about bringing Kamala Khan's dad into
the show because of,
for lack of a better term, tone issues.
And what I mean by that is,
for the extreme example,
I am going to be very glad not
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to see She Hulk
in this show because
of tone issues.
It's just she's jokey jokey. She's break the
fourth wall
and we are in a little bit more
of a serious situation here for for these,
this episode these episodes this season.
And so I feel like they did a
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great job bringing him in, using him well.
I I had no idea that they would
bring him in by using him as a
a banker
and that's gonna be what their connection point
is, but it works well. It's nice and
and,
he has great personality.
He's very proud of his daughter and that's
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that's very clear. This gives us more ties
to each other because
of Ms. Marvel, that series, but also because
of The Marvels,
that movie.
And by the end of the episode, he's
being invited. Matt Murdock is being invited to
a family dinner at the Conant's house. And
Matt Murdock says, I will do this, but
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I would like to do it at a
time when your daughter is around because
I'd like to meet her. You seem like
you're very proud of her. He's also very
proud of the
local hero
that they have. And it's another nice nice
moment where he's talking about his daughter. And
it is interesting. I mean, they had to
get his daughter out of there because if
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she knew that this was going on, she
would show up. Now
she probably wouldn't make it for all the
action.
I feel like if she did find out,
it would be after most of the the
the thing had was done. Most of this
event will have run its course before she
would have a chance to get back in
and she
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she might show up when everything was all
done which actually would be kind of a
funny funny little tag scene kind of a
thing. But
anyway,
bringing him in was great. Now there's also
some things that are missing from this episode.
Fisk is missing. He's not here and the
presence
or the lack of presence
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is felt for sure.
Muse. We don't get much of muse in
this episode.
We don't get much really of any of
the supporting cast. This is but again, this
is what you do when you have a
twenty four, twenty six episode
season.
Do you you have episodes like this where
the supporting cast gets to take the week
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off and they're still gonna be mentioned in
the credits, but they're gonna have time off
away from the set.
And
so it just
it worked. I enjoyed what they did with
this episode and I it worked
for me especially because it was a standalone
episode.
And it just felt like another episode in
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a string of Daredevil adventures. And it would
have been interesting to see
adventures.
And
it would have been interesting to see the
season that they cooked up and started
and had multiple episodes
finished
and see how that would have all played
out if it had been more like
this. More like and when I say more
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like this,
more like
Lois and Clark, the new adventures of Superman.
More like
this would be a a deep cut for
some people, Nightman.
More like, honestly, Nightrider.
More like
your
do gooder superhero shows where there's a bad
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guy every week, they take care of that
bad guy and once they are done with
that bad guy, they might come back. They
might come back for another episode,
but they're
probably not going to come back because
we have another episode with another bad guy
coming.
And and that kind of storytelling
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does work. I mean, that's we we talk
about
like the history of television
and
it's interesting because there are some shows that
are stepping backward.
Talk about the history of television,
Star Trek, you know. Hey, it's my Star
Trek reference. Very good. Very good.
Star Trek started out in the sixties, very
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episodic.
What happened in one episode had very very
little impact on the following episodes
or the surrounding episodes
and you could watch in any order really.
The one thing that might happen is they
added Chekov for you know a season and
he wasn't there in season one but he's
there now. But does that
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continuity
matter too much? Not not really. You know
that you're on a ship, they're gonna do
this thing and they're gonna have that adventure.
Then you
have Next Generation come along and Next Generation
follows that same pattern as it syndicated in
the eighties.
But then they wanna bring in another series
and Deep Space Nine comes along and Deep
Space Nine starts out episodic
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but kinda makes the shift into
a ongoing storyline for the seasons. And so
you will have episodes where they play baseball
and you will have episodes where they're exploring
the Delta Quadrant or the
think it's the Delta Quadrant.
You'll have those episodes that are stand alone
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but they're happening against the background of the
dominion war, you know. And that's going on
in the background and that's what they're building
up toward this big giant climax.
And so for Star Trek The Next Generation,
for their
really strong ending, it was another
kind of stand alone episode but kind of
like a good series finale
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encapsulates
the entire show. For Deep Space Nine, it
was able to do the same kind of
thing where it's referencing those early episodes but
it's also building up towards this giant conflict
that they had going on in the middle
of you know, with with the with war
and all that stuff.
Voyager
does a similar thing
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with
the whole idea of every episode is they're
trying to get home. The problem is they
they went back to that episodic,
vibe and and feel. But what was happening
at the same time as Deep Space Nine
was
Babylon five. Babylon five was kinda changing things.
Now you could say Babylon five wasn't there
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first. You know you can go back to
Twin Peaks. You go back then to really
soap operas but I'm talking about science fiction
television right now where you have like these
kind of ongoing narratives
and Babylon five ongoing narrative. Lost
changed everything where it was a science fiction
soap opera and it changed the face of
network television and, you know, every show that
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came after
Lost felt like they were trying to be
the next Lost. You had Jericho, you had
the Surface was one and you had all
these different shows that were
trying to be lost with this ongoing is
a novel for television kind of a thing.
And then you have
X Files, which was straddling in between there
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as well. X Files had this narrative kinda
going, but then you have the episodic episodes
where here's the monster of the week, and
now here is
just a little bit about the cigarette smoking
man has something to do with the monster
of the week, maybe. But then we are
gonna go ahead and have an episode that's
just about lore, and it's just about mythology,
and it's just about these longer threads that
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they're playing out until
you get, like I said, the lost,
and then you get to
Discovery,
back to Star Trek where it's all
that
single
narrative
and then you have the pushback
and that's what Strange New Worlds is doing.
And Strange New Worlds,
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they have the mythology going on in the
background where you have this kind of through
line, same with even lower decks. But
to bring it back to Daredevil,
I feel like
this
season,
they ended up accidentally
straddling the line
because of what had come before
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in their creation of Born Again
and what was happening then when they wanted
to make it more like the old
Daredevil
series from from Netflix.
And so here we are where we get
this
standout
episode. This is a fantastic episode.
Solid four and a half
candies,
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butterscotch
candies,
out of five.
It's
solid. It's really, really good. I really enjoyed
it. It's a character piece. You get to
see Matt Murdock wrestling with the situation.
How do I do what's right? How do
I do what's best?
I can't turn my back on this.
And
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and then he uses his powers to, you
know, open the safe. And he uses
they use their logic to figure out we
can we need to get only these ones
with these numbers, you know. We got this
key but we don't have the number and
so we
and so they figure it out. There's just
good stuff going on here, well written,
tightly paced.
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The bad guys are
stock bad guys. Like, they don't have too
much motivation other than we gotta get this
thing because we we were told to get
this thing and we want money, you know,
and we'll get paid if we get this
thing.
But,
there's the interplay between the bad guy, the
the lead of that lead bad guy and
the the police officer who takes control. And
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she's can't remember her name right now, but
she was with Cherry in the first episode
and she's definitely risen up in the ranks.
And she's a solid cop and I feel
like she's going to be an ally.
I hope she's going to be an ally
especially considering some things that are happening in
the next episode that we'll talk about right
about now actually. So the next episode,
and let's see. This is what Samantha says
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about
episode six, excessive
force.
The muse episode was fun in a dark
and scary way. It's interesting to watch Matt
and Fisk
sink back into old habits.
Yes. It is. And that's really what I
feel like this episode is doing. Now this
episode is also setting up the
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the the goon squad
that the kingpin is is pulling together because
there's a serial killer out there.
And he's gonna
have a police force that is under his
control,
that he's going to they're gonna report to
him,
they aren't gonna have cameras,
they are gonna be able to use excessive
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force,
they are going to stop the scourge of
vigilantism
in
in New York City. And I just I
hate the word vigilante because I don't know
how to say it right. I and I
feel like I say it different every time.
But
anyway, I'm saying it wrong. Maybe, maybe not.
Sometimes I'm saying it right though I'm sure
because I say it different every time. I
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I can't be wrong a % of the
time.
But anyway,
he's he's building that and and that's him
doing
politics
in the old style.
When I say in the old style, I
mean his
old
style. The other thing that we get here
is we get the swordsman.
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The swordsman is there. He is there. I,
and he is
he's here from Hawkeye, and it's nice to
see him.
He's not a nice guy.
He's not a great guy and he's there.
He he's nicer than Kingpin though.
So there's that.
Kingpin's whole thing is
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he needs people to support him and he
needs money really too
to support what he wants to do with
rebuilding
and revitalizing,
part of the part of New York that
no one cares about except for him. And
people are, of course, very suspect of what
is he even doing? Why is he doing
what he's doing?
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And none of the people of the none
of New York's elite are interested.
And so
he's finding that he's kind of powerless. And
in the meantime,
he's also finding out that there's a serial
serial killer who is using his victim's blood
in the artwork that he's doing on buildings.
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And it's he's also covering it in an
epoxy that makes it very, very difficult to
even get off of
the buildings. And so
it's gross
and people,
if they found out, would be very grossed
out about it. And there's back and forth
about do we tell the public? Do we
not tell the public? If we don't tell
the public,
then
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this guy will continue doing what he's doing.
If we do tell the public,
then he might disappear and stop.
And so it's an understandable
quandary that they're in,
but Fisk's solution is
give me some cops
and I'll I'll let them do whatever they
wanna do. And when they do whatever they
wanna do, they're gonna be able to basically
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rid the streets of masked people because my
cops aren't gonna wear masks and they're also
not gonna wear cameras. And they're also gonna
be able to use weapons they wanna use.
They're also gonna be able to be creative
in how they do things.
And
yeah, so not a good situation. And of
course, you know, we're on a collision course
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with daredevil
and punisher.
And a lot of these police officers are
guys who are wearing punisher tattoos.
And
you know, they kinda like the idea
of being able to clean the streets
their way.
So that's Fisk's big, big issue.
Then you have
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what I was worried about. I was worried
about and I think I talked about this
in the last episode,
White Tiger's niece. Her name's Angel.
And
of course you got Daredevil and Angel. It's
pretty much on the nose. It's like naming
a character Faith or hope
and you know naming a character hope is
gonna get kidnapped and and you have to
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save
hope and
yeah it's
it's on the nose. It it definitely is.
But
that might be and maybe I should look
that up to see because,
I know that White Tiger's I don't know
much more about the the one I'm about
to say. White Tiger's niece
is
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the current White Tiger in in Marvel Comics.
And let's find out what her name actually
is. White Tiger.
We have Hector
and we have so there's Hector
and there's
Casper
Casper Cole. Angela del Toro. Okay. Alright. I
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stand corrected. Her name was
Angela in the comics.
And
I don't know if
in the context here in Daredevil,
I was gonna say it's kind of cheap.
Alright?
But in the context there, I don't know
if it's cheap or not. And that's not
to say I've not even done cheap stuff
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like that before. I have. When I choose
names for my own comics and my novel
and and my short stories and things like
that sometimes I choose names that have meaning.
Usually, I don't go quite on the nose
as angel
or,
as hope or faith. Okay. But but I
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do sometimes,
find I have twins that were in a
a young adult or not a middle grade
reader novel that I wrote and the twins
were, Remy and Rami.
Ram Romulus and Remus.
Remy and Rami, they were twins.
Although I do have a connection to the
name Remus. That is my
my mom's maiden name. And so I just
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gave away a security question, I guess.
But,
yeah. So anyway,
that's why Romulus and Remus is is on
my on my radar.
And anyway,
I stand corrected. I I apologize
to the creators
of Daredevil for
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harping on the name. But still, I mean
yeah. So anyway,
let's get away from from that. What I
was worried about was when she had that
interaction with Matt Murdock in the prison
after no. It wasn't in the prison. It
was in the courthouse, I think.
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No. It was at the police it was
at it was at the police,
police
headquarters or whatever because she she was picking
or he Daredevil was picking up, Hector's stuff
And and the the amulets were in there.
And I was afraid that she was going
to get the amulet,
and she was going to get powers,
and she was gonna go
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and she was going to
find herself in over her head
fighting against
Muse.
I was half right.
It was worse.
She goes after Muse by herself with no
powers, just by herself. And she gets caught
by Muse, and she gets
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brought into his lair.
And
let's let's face it. If a villain has
a lair, that's gonna be a particularly
bad villain. I mean, for for one of
two reasons. Either they're just not very good
at what they do
as a villain
or they're really, really meticulous at what they
do as a villain. And that's Muse. He
is meticulous. He brings her in. He sets
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her down on on a operating bed and
it's all dirty and grimy and it's in
the subway. And I'm reminded of the original,
Superman. Superman the movie, I should say. There
were other some some other Superman stuff and
there was even another Superman movie before Superman
the movie.
Superman and the Moleman. If you're curious what
the title was, it's not very good. So
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I think if you let your curiosity stop
at the title, that's gonna be good enough
for you. But if you want, you can,
you know, seek it out or whatever. But
and there's the serials too, of course. But
anyway, Superman the movie, Lex Luthor has his
lair
in the subway system, and that's what I'm
reminded of of here.
And so
Muse has
her there, and he's draining her blood, and
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it's not very good. And then Daredevil shows
up and starts to fight
with
Muse.
Now here is where we get some really
good storytelling.
Again,
I have to give kudos to the people
doing Daredevil Born Again
round
one or round two.
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Definitely round two because they either put it
in or chose to keep it. Okay? But
whatever it is they did and and I
did do some reading about some of this.
It was interesting to find out the whole
interaction with Punisher
back in, episode,
four I think it was.
That interaction
that they had
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was interesting
because
that was from round one.
And they just went back and they're like,
well that actually was supposed to be in
a later episode but they decided to pull
it in. And that's why it felt a
little out of place. It's just like Daredevil
all of a sudden just goes to Punisher's
place. He knows where it is. He doesn't
even have to look for it, and he
finds it, and he goes there, and and
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they have the conversation. And then they added
in a couple
lines to make it
more appropriate
to that moment
with to have that conversation earlier than what
was originally intended to be. But what was
nice about it is it brought in John
Barenthol, brought in Punisher
earlier
so we could see some of what their
conflict is is going to be. And also
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you get that emotional push
from a colleague, from a peer.
And so for this episode,
if they had this stuff happening with Muse
already and originally,
great. And they kept it, great.
Because
what happens here is you have two fights
happening at the same time but they mirror
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each other. They rhyme so to speak.
And
you know you'll have Daredevil pick up White
Tiger pick up Muse and he's about to
throw him down and then they'll cut to
Kingpin
picking up Adam and throwing him down.
And, of course, Kingpin is not fighting someone
to, you know,
for any kind of righteous motivation.
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He has some anger that he needs to
get out and he's choosing to do so
the old way.
But this is both of them, like Samantha
said,
both of them sinking back into old habits.
This is Daredevil going and fighting a bad
guy,
and there's a lot of rage there that
he has that he's letting out as he's
fighting. And,
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will be interesting as we find out, is
the rage stuff that's happening
going to be something that he has to
fight through?
And he has rage because he's being forced
to be Daredevil?
Or is it something he's gonna be fighting
through because he has this rage
and it's it's there in spite of being
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Daredevil and and and he needs to, you
know,
bring it under control. You know, don't let
the anger control you. You control the anger.
So that that sort of thing.
But anyway,
the
two fights that are happening, they mirror each
other. They rhyme with each other because both
of these fights have these main characters
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coming back to themselves.
Matt Murdock is in the Daredevil
costume.
He's wearing the suit.
He is Daredevil again and he's doing the
Daredevil thing. He's going after a bad guy.
And Muse for an artist, you know, you
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the guy is also a martial artist. Okay?
He's he's not just a fine artist. He
is a martial artist.
But
they have this fight. It's a big fight
and it's a brutal fight and and Matt
Murdock is using his weapon. Now we also
have Kingpin who has that cane and,
but the way that they cut between these
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two fights is really well done and really
well choreographed.
And so it's not a hallway fight. It's
not the prison fight in season three. But
what it is
is an artistic
violent
representation
of what is going on in these men's
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spirit,
soul,
mind.
This is what is happening here as these
two men go out and
become
closer to who they were before.
And so,
thematically,
I love what's happening here in this episode.
Now
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Muse is defeated,
but Muse is not dead. Okay? So what
what's gonna happen to Muse?
We don't know. I have a feeling it's
he's gonna go. He's gonna be on
be a lot more careful,
but he's also gonna continue doing really bad
stuff.
Daredal is gonna have to stop him, but
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in the
middle of trying to stop him, you're gonna
have the goon squad
coming out and they are also going to
cause trouble for Matt Murdock.
And so the whole situation with Muse is
probably going to bring
the
the conflict with
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Fisk's
cop crew.
That's gonna bring the that conflict.
If not to a head, it's going to
advance
that conflict because Matt Murdock is wearing a
mask.
And in episode one, I think it was,
it might have been episode two,
when Matt and Fisk had their sit down
together in the diner, Fisk said, don't do
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it. Don't put on that mask. Don't you
do it.
And and Matt said, gonna do it
in this episode.
So
Daredevil is back. What does that mean for
the next couple of episodes? I don't
know exactly, but I've kinda talked about where
I think we're headed. I still do wonder
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if Angel is or Angela
is going to put the
the,
the
not totems.
The
white tiger necklace on. I I I do
wonder that. We'll have to wait and see.
Okay. So
this is what Samantha said next. This is
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her third part and this is gonna launch
my third part of the conversation here. She
says, my biggest question is why this was
a two parter release when these were definitely
separate episodes.
Disney is not beholden to a timed schedule
the way old television channels work. They could
have released the finale a week later or
lump two other episodes that had a similar
tone together as a two parter. I'm confused
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about that decision but ultimately it hurts nothing.
I agree. So these two episodes were released
on the same
night.
And
I agree at first I was confused about
why they did this. But I am no
longer confused because I was sitting down
to watch the episodes
a second time and
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when I watched the episodes a second time
it hit me. These two episodes
for Matt Murdock anyway,
are the same
except for degree.
These two episodes are about and I don't
know if this is what Disney plus was
thinking when they did these two episodes together.
But these two episodes are about Matt Murdock
putting the mask back on.
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And it's degree. It's it's these steps, you
know. And so you have step one where
he does the bank robbery
and step two where he goes after Muse.
And
in step one, he
doesn't go into it with a mask but
he goes he comes out of it with
the mask. And in step two here in
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episode six,
he puts on the whole thing. The whole
outfit. The whole kit and caboodle. He puts
it all on. He's wearing the mask. He's
Daredevil.
And so
to me,
while they are both episodic and they are
it's not a two parter by any stretch,
but thematically
it does fit together. Now I don't know
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if this has anything to do with,
release of thunderbolts
or if this has anything to do with
any kind of,
timing or release or anything like that. I
have no
idea. But
what I do know is
they've released these two episodes together for some
reason,
and
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it fit nicely with our schedule because we're
we're talking about two episodes at a time
now. So that's how we've chosen to do
it, and that's how we're going to do
it. So worked out great.
Alright. Well, that is my conversation, honestly. I
am done talking about this episodes, and
I appreciate you joining me for this. I
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about Daredevil Born Again? Are you
enjoying it? Is this a worthy successor?
Does it feel like this is a continuation
of the first three seasons of Daredevil
plus
Defenders?
Do you feel like this is of a
hole with that? I do. I'm I'm feeling
it.
Of course, it really helps with Fisk and
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Matt Murdock using the same actors. Okay. So
there's that. But
what do you think? Are you enjoying it
so far?
Check one. Yes or no. And and
yeah. So anyway,
I do feel bad for those of you
who are just joining us that you didn't
get to hear
Samantha, didn't get to hear Stewart, didn't get
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to meet them.
I do have something.
Let me see
if I can
there we go. This is her right here.
Custom designed funko in her honor.
Oh, yeah. Well,
you you can't see.
(42:10):
Well,
it's her.
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Okay. Well, it's time for a post credit.
And really, the big thing for the post
credit right now is just the Avengers
doomsday,
announcement that they made. There is some
craziness
going on with that, and
I'm looking for the conversation that we had
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on our thread
about
about what was going on with that. It
was crazy.
When when that was happening, I just kind
of accidentally came across,
what was happening.
I saw an article and the article said
they're doing this announcement. I'm like, oh, I'll
check and see what what this announcement is
like. And I'm expecting to see,
(44:12):
Kev dog, Kevin Feige. I'm expecting to see
him reading off some sort of, well, announcement.
And instead
what we got was,
this five, six, seven hour video. I'm not
sure how long it actually was.
And every ten minutes, every fifteen minutes or
so, they move from chair to chair showing
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the people who are going to be on
there. And so since Stuart and Samantha can't
be here,
I'm gonna read the conversation
that we had
and and just kinda it's gonna be a
dramatic dramatic presentation
of what was going on.
And so let's see here.
(44:56):
Wow. This is okay. This is a long
one.
So here we go.
This is
okay. So March 26 at 11:59AM.
Here's what I did. I'm at work and
so I just I have a couple different
monitors on my desk at work and one
of them I usually have as an extra
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screen. I put Spotify on that screen but
I also will sometimes
do a full screen with YouTube live cameras.
And so there is a live cam in
the Serengeti Desert that I watch. We ostriches
come to this watering hole, zebras come, warthogs
come. It's really hyenas come. It's really fascinating.
It's really interesting.
I also do the ISS station because they
(45:38):
have a live feed where you can kind
of see what their camera is looking down
on and you can look down on the
earth in in real time. And it's crazy
because there's actually, like,
if it's passing over some place with a
storm, you could see flashes of lightning in
the clouds.
It is wild. It is really interesting.
And there's some aquariums, that I'll also watch.
(45:59):
Whenever I have the aquarium up, especially one
with a shark, I feel like I'm a
Bond villain
and I'm in my lair with the sharks
swimming around behind me.
What I did was I put this announcement
up
without sound. Now with sound there was some
dramatic music playing but I put up without
sound.
And so I sent the message that said,
Cast of Doomsday being announced.
Chris Hemsworth as Thor this is from an
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article. Chris Hemsworth as Thor, Vanessa Kirby as
Sue Storm, Anthony Mackie as Captain America, Sebastian
Stamm as Bucky Barnes,
Letitia Wright as Shuri slash
Black Panther. Then my next message was
and I sent the link
right when they were announcing,
I can't remember who they were, they are
announcing with the video with this video. In
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the video, they are panning down a row
of chairs and lingering on each chair for
ten minutes before moving on to the next
one.
So Stewart was replying to the list that
I sent and he said, so file this
under duh. And I said, so far, yeah.
Click now to see the next chair.
It is
it
is funny. Oh, that's because that was Paul
Rudd's tiny chair. And Stewart says, okay, that's
(47:03):
funny. And then Samantha says, I see why
dramatic, dramatic, really reading. Stewart says, okay, that's
funny.
And Samantha says, I see Wyatt Russell's name.
And then I said, rewind a bit to
the previous chair. Paul Rudd,
why is this announcement so tediously slow? And
then I say creating buzz.
Stewart says, is this the first TV to
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film announcement? I think that was because of
Wyatt Russell.
And
and then we got into a little bit
of argument about who was the first person
to go move from TV
to film
in the in the MCU.
And let's see. So
moving ahead a little bit.
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I say,
so Danny Ramirez jumped from TV to movies,
for
Falcon and Winter Soldier
to brace new world. And then Samantha says
brace new world. That would be an interesting
movie title. I kid. I kid. And I
said, brace is the misspelling you focus on
because I really botched up soldier.
Stewart says, that's right. Thanks for the reminder.
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It's still interesting to see TV to film.
There's hope for Fitzsimmons. Yes. Samantha says, yes.
And then in her audio haughty voice, I
have never misspelled a word in my life.
This is how our you know, you have
conversations like this. Right?
And then Stewart says no one cares about
Fitzsimmons anymore. Okay. So next we had Sima
Liu and then two Fantastic Four
actors have been announced so far. Stewart says
(48:30):
awesome. Getting excited for that. I think RDJ
as doom is just a diversion.
And then we have Yvonne Moss Bachrock, the
thing.
And I'm like, I need a 10 times
speed version, which they did do.
Samantha says I'm scrubbing back every five minutes
to make sure I didn't miss a name.
And then
Stewart
TV to film. Oh, micro. Because the thing,
Ben Grimm, is actually being played by the
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same guy who played micro in in Punisher.
Samantha says I'm ecstatic that Sima Leo is
returning
following the success of Shang Chi. I thought
he would have gotten a little bit more
attention for being a part of the Barbie
movie since he played Ryan Reynolds' rival.
And then talk she's talking about Micro. She
says, now the Punisher series has seemed to
have folded into this timeline and curious to
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how the MCU is going to handle even
double casting. Maybe they could say that Micro
and Ben Grimm are somehow related. Of course,
I can't imagine Micro making another appearance in
the MCU.
Then Florence Pugh's name is now up. I
don't know how to stay here name.
And then Kelsey Grammer. And then Stewart says
toss salad and scrambled eggs.
Bob is back. I think he's referring to,
(49:31):
Bob from Sideshow Bob from the Simpsons.
Lewis Pullman. Samantha says Lewis Pullman. Who's that?
Oh, he's playing Sentry and Thunderbolts.
Danny Ramirez,
not terribly surprised because Captain America has been
announced.
Then Stewart says wait wasn't Charlie Cox
TV to movie for Spider Manpalooza?
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Which we're back to that.
All four fantastic four announced now.
Joseph Quinn was announced. Davy Harbor Harbor was
announced. And then Samantha says, yep. And I
said, honestly, mister t would not be a
surprise to me. They've got everyone in the
world.
Stewart would be no surprise. Samantha says mister
t would be a fun surprise.
And then I said and this is where
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we're getting
silly but it's post credit. Right? Lou Costello
would be no surprise. King Henry the eighth
would be no surprise. Bobo the idiot talking
monkey would be no surprise.
And then Samantha says, I haven't seen Charlie
Cox announced yet. Did I miss that? No.
I say no announcement of him yet. Winston
Duke,
John Kamen,
Tom Hiddleston,
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Patrick Stewart. That's a surprise. And Stewart says,
why is Picard in an MCU movie? And
then I said, and Gandalf, Ian McKellen.
So we have Gandalf, Picard, and Frasier. What
a crazy movie this is. Things are getting
wonky because that's when they announced Alan Cumming.
Alright.
Alan Cumming.
And then they announced Rebecca Romijn,
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another Star Trek actor.
And then,
James Marsden. That was the one that really
surprised me,
James Marsden.
Samantha says, if they say Hugh Jackman, I'm
gonna flip my lid.
And then,
I said, how can they not? And Ryan
Reynolds
and mister Bean, and Samantha says, and Mickey
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Mouse. And I say, and the guy that
played second Hobbit.
And then Samantha says, Deadpool would make sense.
So she's bringing us back bringing us back.
And I said, this video has almost run
five hours
now. So that's what we're crazy about this
five hours. Then Stewart says, okay, this is
bizarre.
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And,
oh, and then there was also I was
also saying I really wanted to watch Twin
Peaks for some reason. I don't know why.
Channing Tatum. So basically X men, all of
them. And Smith says, really? No. That's surprising.
And I said, including people from the phone
book who happen to have an x in
their name. And Samantha says, here's the real
question. Will Channing use the same accent coach?
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Then I said, thing is, these people are
most likely from other universes than the ones
who showed up in Deadpool. Most likely from
the one at the end of the Marvels.
Marvels. So maybe yes.
To
I don't know what I was saying maybe
yes to, but I said maybe no to
the Channing Tatum
accent coach.
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And then Samantha says Deadpool can handle a
multiverse scenario he already has and I say
can we? And Samantha says I can. I
don't know about you though. I don't know
if you guys remember this because it was
twenty twenty five years ago when the Patrick
Stewart era x men movies were first in
the works. People wanted Josh Holloway
Sawyer from Lost, to play Gambit. And I
said, I do remember. And I expected Stewart
to say, Pepperidge Farm remembers,
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but he didn't.
And Samantha says, I was beginning to wonder
if he would be announced.
And I was wondering when they would announce
Pedro Pascal. And I said, now. Now is
when? And then Samantha wonders, are they gonna
announce Dan Stevens? It would seem to be
possible at this point, which that's from Legion
and actually is a lot more on target
than some of the other things we've talked
about.
And,
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and then okay, so this is again being
silly. They just announced Grogu,
Betty Davis, John the Baptist, my mom and
Ringo Starr. And then at that point they
did the final chair which was Robert Downey
Jr,
who was there in person and he takes
a look at the camera and shushes us.
Samantha asked how many names is that? And
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then she says don't bother counting some reporter
will do it later. And I said I'm
not. I lost count at John the Baptist.
And
then they showed a lineup of all the
chairs and they replaced Paul Rudd's chair.
So
that is the big news.
And, for those of you who are just
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joining us for this podcast and you're wondering,
oh, I wonder what the post credits are
gonna be like. This. This is what the
post credits are like
just with a little more banter back and
forth. I tried you know, this would have
been the banter we would have had. I'm
sure I would have made some sort of
John the Baptist joke with this casting announcement.
But anyway, that is that. So I will
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talk with you all later. Thank you so
much for spending time with me here. And
until next time,
Godspeed.
Daredevil Born Again season one episode five and
six with interest and excessive
force.
Welcome to level seven,
a podcast about Marvel's Agents of S. H.
I. E. L. D. And the Marvel Cinematic
Universe.
(00:24):
It's a magical place.
Hello, everyone. It's me, Ben. Ben Avery here
flying solo to talk about Daredevil Born Again
season one episodes five and six.
And I'm actually excited to talk about these
episodes, not because
Samantha's not here, not because Stewart's not here.
(00:46):
For those of you unfamiliar with the show,
I don't normally do these solo episodes. I
do have two cohosts, Samantha and Stewart.
Both of them were not able to be
here. I'll talk more about that in just
a moment. This podcast is a podcast about
the Marvel Cinematic Universe and that means TV,
that means streaming, that means movies, and right
now that means Daredevil
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born again. And so just to warn you,
we do spoil everything. And if you're just
joining us for the first time here, I
am going to talk about these two episodes
of Daredevil Born Again with
full on spoilers. Not only that, I might
talk about things from
Daredevil season one, Daredevil season two,
and or
(01:28):
the earlier episodes of Daredevil Born Again. So
that is kind of our spoiler policy. If
we've talked about it on the podcast before,
we are
it's open season
on spoilers. And so I will be talking
about in-depth
episode five and episode six of Daredevil
Born Again, but I'll be doing it by
myself.
When we were trying to set up a
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time to record, Samantha, Stuart and I, there's
things going on in their lives.
Life comes first, that's what we always say
about podcasting.
Samantha had some family stuff,
the baby and and just things going on
with that.
And I asked Stuart if he could help.
And he said help with what? And I
I said can you help record about Daredevil
(02:08):
Born Again? He said what's that? What what
is that? I said it's a Marvel. It's
a Marvel show. And and Stewart said what
what's Marvel?
I I don't I don't know what you're
talking about. And I said well, you you
co host a podcast about Marvel TV and
movies. And he said, I I don't do
that. I'd co host a podcast about Disney,
like, about the Disney parks and and stuff.
(02:30):
Like, what what are you talking about? What's
this Marvel thing you're talking about? And I
said, hey. It's me, Ben. Ben Avery, your
friend. He said, who are you? I don't
even know you.
And
it was it was a weird conversation.
And,
in in the end, he said, well, you
should probably record about it yourself. And I
said, okay. And and yeah. So none of
that was true, but I I do hope
(02:51):
that Stewart does end up listening to this
episode at some point in time and hears
me talking about him the way I used
to talk about dandy Daniel Butcher.
So,
anyway,
I did ask them if if anyone wanna
be able to record about this, and they
said no, not in a timely manner. And
so I said, well, let's I'll I'll go
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solo and they said that's not a bad
thing.
Samantha,
however,
did have some
comments to make about this
these two episodes. So I'm gonna talk a
little bit about that. Talk a little bit
about the episodes, why I liked them because
I did. I liked both of these episodes
quite a bit. They both did different things,
(03:33):
although they do kind of dovetail together and
that kinda goes to,
Samantha's Samantha's biggest question. So she sent me
this note. She said,
at Ben Avery, you might want to do
a solo episode which is something I don't
want but it's becoming clearer that it'll be
necessary necessary this week. I thought the bank
heist episode was fun and it was great
to see Iosef Khan again. Because all the
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action was contained in and around the bank,
this could be a solo episode to show
someone who isn't familiar with a dare with
daredevil. It's almost a ship in a bottle
episode but all the locations are new to
the viewers.
And then, actually I'm gonna stop there because
Yeah, I'm gonna stop there. We'll talk about
the bank episode.
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We'll talk about that one. And then she
has a short paragraph about the next episode.
And then she has,
the thing I was going to talk about
to launch this conversation,
into
this particular topic that she has here. But,
yeah. Let's talk about the Bank Heist episode.
Because the Bank Heist episode, which
was actually called With Interest, which goes along
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with the whole banking theming.
So
good job. Clever, clever title.
The official
thing on on Disney is a day in
the life of Matt Murdock, goods and tenants,
forcing him to team up with a familiar
face. This episode, what I liked about it
was it really felt like a well, Samantha
called it a bottle episode, but it felt
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like an episodic TV
show.
It felt like this was just the bad
guy of the week.
And if this was regular Daredevil where
Matt Murdock is Daredevil in every episode
and this would be the one where, oh,
he has to figure out how does he
take care of the problem
without revealing who he is. And he still
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does that somewhat.
This episode had a lot going on in
it and there's a lot of fun stuff.
But again, like Samantha said, it was very,
very,
it'd be easy to just jump in and
watch the episode and just see
a one off adventure
kind of a thing. And
which was nice. The one off adventure is
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it was cool and it was a fun
adventure.
It didn't feel like
network television especially,
in one of the fight scenes
and and some of the language.
But
what they did with this episode
is what I wonder they had intended to
do with season one of Born Again
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from the beginning
before it kind of got revamped and before
they brought in Foggy and Karen and before
they knew that this was going to be
a show that was going to have,
all,
you know,
a whole bunch of of Punisher and and
that kind of thing.
Now again, I don't have any special information
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about what got changed.
I just know
that the tone
of what they had been talking about doing
wasn't to be like a She Hulk kind
of a thing, but it was to be
more like a typical
television show.
And and that might mean some more episodic
kind of things like I mean, we've gotten
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that already. I mean, you have the White
Tiger
trial.
That is kind of a its own episode.
And and then you have this one where
it's kind of doing its own thing. It's
not a lot of the,
the ongoing threads.
There's there's not a whole bunch of ongoing
threads where it's just,
we're gonna
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basically tell one long story. It's not like
Hawkeye when they were promoting that as being
a six episode series, six hour movie.
That's not what they were going for with
Daredevil
at all. I know that.
And so that does make me look at
an episode like this and think, okay,
what did they go back and
and make did they make a couple changes
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maybe to make it feel a little more
like there's
there's more of that that through line for
the season long
situation?
Or was it always just did they need
to even do much editing at all? I
just feel like that's what they were going
for with this episode was here's a one
off
adventure
for Daredevil.
Now what goes against what I'm saying is
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the way that this ties in thematically to
the whole idea of Matt Murdock not being
Daredevil.
He has given up the
the,
the mask.
And what I really like about this episode
is that he has to do daredevil stuff.
He's pushed into a situation where there's really
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no way around it. If he is going
to
do
anything to help, he's gonna use he's gonna
be able to use his powers,
but people are going to be hurt if
he doesn't.
And so
if he does not use his powers,
people will get hurt. And that's what pushes
him into things. And
I appreciate that about this episode that they
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are doing that to kind of push the
narrative
of Daredevil is not Daredevil right now. I
mean this is,
how many episodes in are we? Five episodes
and we've seen him in costume in the
first episode. We've seen him do a couple
moves in the fourth episode and now we
see him here actually doing some superheroing
in this episode where he is indeed,
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using his powers
and
there's
not the
that's not to say he hasn't used his
powers up until this point.
But
there there's not the equivalent
of the
the hallway fights
from season three, which was amazing.
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And, I will you will actually hear some
of my season three thoughts,
if you wait a few episodes because I'm
gonna put compile that together. But if you
don't wanna wait, go to patreon.com/welcome
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actually I don't need to do early access
because this one,
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it being just me, there's not gonna be
a lot on the cutting room floor of
extraneous
conversation because,
there's not a lot of back and forth.
I do need to figure out a way
to talk about Star Trek in the midst
of this, but,
you know, I I I don't know if
I'm going to be able to do that
or not.
But somehow, you know, usually we find a
way. You know, life
finds a way.
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So anyway,
where was I?
I said there's no extraneous stuff but I
I just,
do I edit this out now or not?
I mean, I was just talking about how
I'm not gonna need to but,
oh, yeah. The whole idea of him not
being daredevil
and then there's some fight scenes and the
one fight scene in the stairwell where it
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has to be silent because they don't want
the other bad guys to hear
what's going on
And that's that's cool.
And it was a cool fight.
It was tense.
And it was
it was hard for him to, you know,
get the win because he not only had
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to beat up the guy, but he had
to do so quietly and make sure the
guy was quiet.
Then you have the fight scene at the
end where he has put on one of
their masks. Now it's Saint Patrick's Day and
you have these Irish thieves coming to this
bank
and they are there to get a
specific,
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drawer from the vault and it's escaped my
mind what they call that. But anyway, that's
what they want and they figured out, you
know, they're not just there to get money
because aren't money in the vaults,
those vault drawer things. It's something specific they're
after.
And so
he they they come in and they have
masks on and I appreciate this. I didn't
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see this coming. I should have
Or maybe some of you did. I don't
know. Did you? Let us know in the
in the comments. But,
they take off their masks at the end
and he grabs a mask and puts it
on. And it just happens to be the
red one. And it's kind of funny because
we already had a reference when he's talking
to Camilla Khan's
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father about getting a loan.
His Camilla Khan's father says, oh you're not
wearing green. Watch out a leprechaun might pinch
you because of Saint Patrick's Day.
And he's like, oh,
But I I really I go for muted
colors because
I I want to make sure that, it
doesn't clash too bad. But he's put on
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this red mask now. And that is kind
of a symbolic moment for him where, okay,
it's not just,
that I'm doing my duty.
It's I am potentially
stepping back into
this
role that I have let go of.
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And so
there he is.
He's Daredevil, and he's wearing a red ski
mask.
And
I appreciate that moment quite a bit actually.
I appreciate it quite a bit because of
what it means for the character development
over
the course of the season, not just
in that one episode.
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And so here he is. He's got the
mask on and then he's he's he's basically
become Daredevil again.
And we're all very happy because that's what
we want. We want Daredevil back. So
okay.
So that's a a big moment, a big
deal.
You have some small moments that are also
kind of big deals because this is the
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episode where they bring in Kamala Khan's
dad. And I know for myself, there were
some concerns about bringing Kamala Khan's dad into
the show because of,
for lack of a better term, tone issues.
And what I mean by that is,
for the extreme example,
I am going to be very glad not
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to see She Hulk
in this show because
of tone issues.
It's just she's jokey jokey. She's break the
fourth wall
and we are in a little bit more
of a serious situation here for for these,
this episode these episodes this season.
And so I feel like they did a
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great job bringing him in, using him well.
I I had no idea that they would
bring him in by using him as a
a banker
and that's gonna be what their connection point
is, but it works well. It's nice and
and,
he has great personality.
He's very proud of his daughter and that's
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that's very clear. This gives us more ties
to each other because
of Ms. Marvel, that series, but also because
of The Marvels,
that movie.
And by the end of the episode, he's
being invited. Matt Murdock is being invited to
a family dinner at the Conant's house. And
Matt Murdock says, I will do this, but
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I would like to do it at a
time when your daughter is around because
I'd like to meet her. You seem like
you're very proud of her. He's also very
proud of the
local hero
that they have. And it's another nice nice
moment where he's talking about his daughter. And
it is interesting. I mean, they had to
get his daughter out of there because if
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she knew that this was going on, she
would show up. Now
she probably wouldn't make it for all the
action.
I feel like if she did find out,
it would be after most of the the
the thing had was done. Most of this
event will have run its course before she
would have a chance to get back in
and she
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she might show up when everything was all
done which actually would be kind of a
funny funny little tag scene kind of a
thing. But
anyway,
bringing him in was great. Now there's also
some things that are missing from this episode.
Fisk is missing. He's not here and the
presence
or the lack of presence
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is felt for sure.
Muse. We don't get much of muse in
this episode.
We don't get much really of any of
the supporting cast. This is but again, this
is what you do when you have a
twenty four, twenty six episode
season.
Do you you have episodes like this where
the supporting cast gets to take the week
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off and they're still gonna be mentioned in
the credits, but they're gonna have time off
away from the set.
And
so it just
it worked. I enjoyed what they did with
this episode and I it worked
for me especially because it was a standalone
episode.
And it just felt like another episode in
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a string of Daredevil adventures. And it would
have been interesting to see
adventures.
And
it would have been interesting to see the
season that they cooked up and started
and had multiple episodes
finished
and see how that would have all played
out if it had been more like
this. More like and when I say more
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like this,
more like
Lois and Clark, the new adventures of Superman.
More like
this would be a a deep cut for
some people, Nightman.
More like, honestly, Nightrider.
More like
your
do gooder superhero shows where there's a bad
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guy every week, they take care of that
bad guy and once they are done with
that bad guy, they might come back. They
might come back for another episode,
but they're
probably not going to come back because
we have another episode with another bad guy
coming.
And and that kind of storytelling
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does work. I mean, that's we we talk
about
like the history of television
and
it's interesting because there are some shows that
are stepping backward.
Talk about the history of television,
Star Trek, you know. Hey, it's my Star
Trek reference. Very good. Very good.
Star Trek started out in the sixties, very
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episodic.
What happened in one episode had very very
little impact on the following episodes
or the surrounding episodes
and you could watch in any order really.
The one thing that might happen is they
added Chekov for you know a season and
he wasn't there in season one but he's
there now. But does that
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continuity
matter too much? Not not really. You know
that you're on a ship, they're gonna do
this thing and they're gonna have that adventure.
Then you
have Next Generation come along and Next Generation
follows that same pattern as it syndicated in
the eighties.
But then they wanna bring in another series
and Deep Space Nine comes along and Deep
Space Nine starts out episodic
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but kinda makes the shift into
a ongoing storyline for the seasons. And so
you will have episodes where they play baseball
and you will have episodes where they're exploring
the Delta Quadrant or the
think it's the Delta Quadrant.
You'll have those episodes that are stand alone
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but they're happening against the background of the
dominion war, you know. And that's going on
in the background and that's what they're building
up toward this big giant climax.
And so for Star Trek The Next Generation,
for their
really strong ending, it was another
kind of stand alone episode but kind of
like a good series finale
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encapsulates
the entire show. For Deep Space Nine, it
was able to do the same kind of
thing where it's referencing those early episodes but
it's also building up towards this giant conflict
that they had going on in the middle
of you know, with with the with war
and all that stuff.
Voyager
does a similar thing
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with
the whole idea of every episode is they're
trying to get home. The problem is they
they went back to that episodic,
vibe and and feel. But what was happening
at the same time as Deep Space Nine
was
Babylon five. Babylon five was kinda changing things.
Now you could say Babylon five wasn't there
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first. You know you can go back to
Twin Peaks. You go back then to really
soap operas but I'm talking about science fiction
television right now where you have like these
kind of ongoing narratives
and Babylon five ongoing narrative. Lost
changed everything where it was a science fiction
soap opera and it changed the face of
network television and, you know, every show that
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came after
Lost felt like they were trying to be
the next Lost. You had Jericho, you had
the Surface was one and you had all
these different shows that were
trying to be lost with this ongoing is
a novel for television kind of a thing.
And then you have
X Files, which was straddling in between there
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as well. X Files had this narrative kinda
going, but then you have the episodic episodes
where here's the monster of the week, and
now here is
just a little bit about the cigarette smoking
man has something to do with the monster
of the week, maybe. But then we are
gonna go ahead and have an episode that's
just about lore, and it's just about mythology,
and it's just about these longer threads that
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they're playing out until
you get, like I said, the lost,
and then you get to
Discovery,
back to Star Trek where it's all
that
single
narrative
and then you have the pushback
and that's what Strange New Worlds is doing.
And Strange New Worlds,
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they have the mythology going on in the
background where you have this kind of through
line, same with even lower decks. But
to bring it back to Daredevil,
I feel like
this
season,
they ended up accidentally
straddling the line
because of what had come before
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in their creation of Born Again
and what was happening then when they wanted
to make it more like the old
Daredevil
series from from Netflix.
And so here we are where we get
this
standout
episode. This is a fantastic episode.
Solid four and a half
candies,
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butterscotch
candies,
out of five.
It's
solid. It's really, really good. I really enjoyed
it. It's a character piece. You get to
see Matt Murdock wrestling with the situation.
How do I do what's right? How do
I do what's best?
I can't turn my back on this.
And
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and then he uses his powers to, you
know, open the safe. And he uses
they use their logic to figure out we
can we need to get only these ones
with these numbers, you know. We got this
key but we don't have the number and
so we
and so they figure it out. There's just
good stuff going on here, well written,
tightly paced.
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The bad guys are
stock bad guys. Like, they don't have too
much motivation other than we gotta get this
thing because we we were told to get
this thing and we want money, you know,
and we'll get paid if we get this
thing.
But,
there's the interplay between the bad guy, the
the lead of that lead bad guy and
the the police officer who takes control. And
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she's can't remember her name right now, but
she was with Cherry in the first episode
and she's definitely risen up in the ranks.
And she's a solid cop and I feel
like she's going to be an ally.
I hope she's going to be an ally
especially considering some things that are happening in
the next episode that we'll talk about right
about now actually. So the next episode,
and let's see. This is what Samantha says
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about
episode six, excessive
force.
The muse episode was fun in a dark
and scary way. It's interesting to watch Matt
and Fisk
sink back into old habits.
Yes. It is. And that's really what I
feel like this episode is doing. Now this
episode is also setting up the
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the the goon squad
that the kingpin is is pulling together because
there's a serial killer out there.
And he's gonna
have a police force that is under his
control,
that he's going to they're gonna report to
him,
they aren't gonna have cameras,
they are gonna be able to use excessive
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force,
they are going to stop the scourge of
vigilantism
in
in New York City. And I just I
hate the word vigilante because I don't know
how to say it right. I and I
feel like I say it different every time.
But
anyway, I'm saying it wrong. Maybe, maybe not.
Sometimes I'm saying it right though I'm sure
because I say it different every time. I
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I can't be wrong a % of the
time.
But anyway,
he's he's building that and and that's him
doing
politics
in the old style.
When I say in the old style, I
mean his
old
style. The other thing that we get here
is we get the swordsman.
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The swordsman is there. He is there. I,
and he is
he's here from Hawkeye, and it's nice to
see him.
He's not a nice guy.
He's not a great guy and he's there.
He he's nicer than Kingpin though.
So there's that.
Kingpin's whole thing is
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he needs people to support him and he
needs money really too
to support what he wants to do with
rebuilding
and revitalizing,
part of the part of New York that
no one cares about except for him. And
people are, of course, very suspect of what
is he even doing? Why is he doing
what he's doing?
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And none of the people of the none
of New York's elite are interested.
And so
he's finding that he's kind of powerless. And
in the meantime,
he's also finding out that there's a serial
serial killer who is using his victim's blood
in the artwork that he's doing on buildings.
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And it's he's also covering it in an
epoxy that makes it very, very difficult to
even get off of
the buildings. And so
it's gross
and people,
if they found out, would be very grossed
out about it. And there's back and forth
about do we tell the public? Do we
not tell the public? If we don't tell
the public,
then
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this guy will continue doing what he's doing.
If we do tell the public,
then he might disappear and stop.
And so it's an understandable
quandary that they're in,
but Fisk's solution is
give me some cops
and I'll I'll let them do whatever they
wanna do. And when they do whatever they
wanna do, they're gonna be able to basically
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rid the streets of masked people because my
cops aren't gonna wear masks and they're also
not gonna wear cameras. And they're also gonna
be able to use weapons they wanna use.
They're also gonna be able to be creative
in how they do things.
And
yeah, so not a good situation. And of
course, you know, we're on a collision course
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with daredevil
and punisher.
And a lot of these police officers are
guys who are wearing punisher tattoos.
And
you know, they kinda like the idea
of being able to clean the streets
their way.
So that's Fisk's big, big issue.
Then you have
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what I was worried about. I was worried
about and I think I talked about this
in the last episode,
White Tiger's niece. Her name's Angel.
And
of course you got Daredevil and Angel. It's
pretty much on the nose. It's like naming
a character Faith or hope
and you know naming a character hope is
gonna get kidnapped and and you have to
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save
hope and
yeah it's
it's on the nose. It it definitely is.
But
that might be and maybe I should look
that up to see because,
I know that White Tiger's I don't know
much more about the the one I'm about
to say. White Tiger's niece
is
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the current White Tiger in in Marvel Comics.
And let's find out what her name actually
is. White Tiger.
We have Hector
and we have so there's Hector
and there's
Casper
Casper Cole. Angela del Toro. Okay. Alright. I
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stand corrected. Her name was
Angela in the comics.
And
I don't know if
in the context here in Daredevil,
I was gonna say it's kind of cheap.
Alright?
But in the context there, I don't know
if it's cheap or not. And that's not
to say I've not even done cheap stuff
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like that before. I have. When I choose
names for my own comics and my novel
and and my short stories and things like
that sometimes I choose names that have meaning.
Usually, I don't go quite on the nose
as angel
or,
as hope or faith. Okay. But but I
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do sometimes,
find I have twins that were in a
a young adult or not a middle grade
reader novel that I wrote and the twins
were, Remy and Rami.
Ram Romulus and Remus.
Remy and Rami, they were twins.
Although I do have a connection to the
name Remus. That is my
my mom's maiden name. And so I just
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gave away a security question, I guess.
But,
yeah. So anyway,
that's why Romulus and Remus is is on
my on my radar.
And anyway,
I stand corrected. I I apologize
to the creators
of Daredevil for
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harping on the name. But still, I mean
yeah. So anyway,
let's get away from from that. What I
was worried about was when she had that
interaction with Matt Murdock in the prison
after no. It wasn't in the prison. It
was in the courthouse, I think.
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No. It was at the police it was
at it was at the police,
police
headquarters or whatever because she she was picking
or he Daredevil was picking up, Hector's stuff
And and the the amulets were in there.
And I was afraid that she was going
to get the amulet,
and she was going to get powers,
and she was gonna go
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and she was going to
find herself in over her head
fighting against
Muse.
I was half right.
It was worse.
She goes after Muse by herself with no
powers, just by herself. And she gets caught
by Muse, and she gets
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brought into his lair.
And
let's let's face it. If a villain has
a lair, that's gonna be a particularly
bad villain. I mean, for for one of
two reasons. Either they're just not very good
at what they do
as a villain
or they're really, really meticulous at what they
do as a villain. And that's Muse. He
is meticulous. He brings her in. He sets
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her down on on a operating bed and
it's all dirty and grimy and it's in
the subway. And I'm reminded of the original,
Superman. Superman the movie, I should say. There
were other some some other Superman stuff and
there was even another Superman movie before Superman
the movie.
Superman and the Moleman. If you're curious what
the title was, it's not very good. So
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I think if you let your curiosity stop
at the title, that's gonna be good enough
for you. But if you want, you can,
you know, seek it out or whatever. But
and there's the serials too, of course. But
anyway, Superman the movie, Lex Luthor has his
lair
in the subway system, and that's what I'm
reminded of of here.
And so
Muse has
her there, and he's draining her blood, and
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it's not very good. And then Daredevil shows
up and starts to fight
with
Muse.
Now here is where we get some really
good storytelling.
Again,
I have to give kudos to the people
doing Daredevil Born Again
round
one or round two.
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Definitely round two because they either put it
in or chose to keep it. Okay? But
whatever it is they did and and I
did do some reading about some of this.
It was interesting to find out the whole
interaction with Punisher
back in, episode,
four I think it was.
That interaction
that they had
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was interesting
because
that was from round one.
And they just went back and they're like,
well that actually was supposed to be in
a later episode but they decided to pull
it in. And that's why it felt a
little out of place. It's just like Daredevil
all of a sudden just goes to Punisher's
place. He knows where it is. He doesn't
even have to look for it, and he
finds it, and he goes there, and and
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they have the conversation. And then they added
in a couple
lines to make it
more appropriate
to that moment
with to have that conversation earlier than what
was originally intended to be. But what was
nice about it is it brought in John
Barenthol, brought in Punisher
earlier
so we could see some of what their
conflict is is going to be. And also
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you get that emotional push
from a colleague, from a peer.
And so for this episode,
if they had this stuff happening with Muse
already and originally,
great. And they kept it, great.
Because
what happens here is you have two fights
happening at the same time but they mirror
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each other. They rhyme so to speak.
And
you know you'll have Daredevil pick up White
Tiger pick up Muse and he's about to
throw him down and then they'll cut to
Kingpin
picking up Adam and throwing him down.
And, of course, Kingpin is not fighting someone
to, you know,
for any kind of righteous motivation.
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He has some anger that he needs to
get out and he's choosing to do so
the old way.
But this is both of them, like Samantha
said,
both of them sinking back into old habits.
This is Daredevil going and fighting a bad
guy,
and there's a lot of rage there that
he has that he's letting out as he's
fighting. And,
(34:29):
will be interesting as we find out, is
the rage stuff that's happening
going to be something that he has to
fight through?
And he has rage because he's being forced
to be Daredevil?
Or is it something he's gonna be fighting
through because he has this rage
and it's it's there in spite of being
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Daredevil and and and he needs to, you
know,
bring it under control. You know, don't let
the anger control you. You control the anger.
So that that sort of thing.
But anyway,
the
two fights that are happening, they mirror each
other. They rhyme with each other because both
of these fights have these main characters
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coming back to themselves.
Matt Murdock is in the Daredevil
costume.
He's wearing the suit.
He is Daredevil again and he's doing the
Daredevil thing. He's going after a bad guy.
And Muse for an artist, you know, you
(35:32):
the guy is also a martial artist. Okay?
He's he's not just a fine artist. He
is a martial artist.
But
they have this fight. It's a big fight
and it's a brutal fight and and Matt
Murdock is using his weapon. Now we also
have Kingpin who has that cane and,
but the way that they cut between these
(35:52):
two fights is really well done and really
well choreographed.
And so it's not a hallway fight. It's
not the prison fight in season three. But
what it is
is an artistic
violent
representation
of what is going on in these men's
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spirit,
soul,
mind.
This is what is happening here as these
two men go out and
become
closer to who they were before.
And so,
thematically,
I love what's happening here in this episode.
Now
(36:33):
Muse is defeated,
but Muse is not dead. Okay? So what
what's gonna happen to Muse?
We don't know. I have a feeling it's
he's gonna go. He's gonna be on
be a lot more careful,
but he's also gonna continue doing really bad
stuff.
Daredal is gonna have to stop him, but
(36:53):
in the
middle of trying to stop him, you're gonna
have the goon squad
coming out and they are also going to
cause trouble for Matt Murdock.
And so the whole situation with Muse is
probably going to bring
the
the conflict with
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Fisk's
cop crew.
That's gonna bring the that conflict.
If not to a head, it's going to
advance
that conflict because Matt Murdock is wearing a
mask.
And in episode one, I think it was,
it might have been episode two,
when Matt and Fisk had their sit down
together in the diner, Fisk said, don't do
(37:35):
it. Don't put on that mask. Don't you
do it.
And and Matt said, gonna do it
in this episode.
So
Daredevil is back. What does that mean for
the next couple of episodes? I don't
know exactly, but I've kinda talked about where
I think we're headed. I still do wonder
(37:57):
if Angel is or Angela
is going to put the
the,
the
not totems.
The
white tiger necklace on. I I I do
wonder that. We'll have to wait and see.
Okay. So
this is what Samantha said next. This is
(38:18):
her third part and this is gonna launch
my third part of the conversation here. She
says, my biggest question is why this was
a two parter release when these were definitely
separate episodes.
Disney is not beholden to a timed schedule
the way old television channels work. They could
have released the finale a week later or
lump two other episodes that had a similar
tone together as a two parter. I'm confused
(38:39):
about that decision but ultimately it hurts nothing.
I agree. So these two episodes were released
on the same
night.
And
I agree at first I was confused about
why they did this. But I am no
longer confused because I was sitting down
to watch the episodes
a second time and
(38:59):
when I watched the episodes a second time
it hit me. These two episodes
for Matt Murdock anyway,
are the same
except for degree.
These two episodes are about and I don't
know if this is what Disney plus was
thinking when they did these two episodes together.
But these two episodes are about Matt Murdock
putting the mask back on.
(39:22):
And it's degree. It's it's these steps, you
know. And so you have step one where
he does the bank robbery
and step two where he goes after Muse.
And
in step one, he
doesn't go into it with a mask but
he goes he comes out of it with
the mask. And in step two here in
(39:42):
episode six,
he puts on the whole thing. The whole
outfit. The whole kit and caboodle. He puts
it all on. He's wearing the mask. He's
Daredevil.
And so
to me,
while they are both episodic and they are
it's not a two parter by any stretch,
but thematically
it does fit together. Now I don't know
(40:04):
if this has anything to do with,
release of thunderbolts
or if this has anything to do with
any kind of,
timing or release or anything like that. I
have no
idea. But
what I do know is
they've released these two episodes together for some
reason,
and
(40:24):
it fit nicely with our schedule because we're
we're talking about two episodes at a time
now. So that's how we've chosen to do
it, and that's how we're going to do
it. So worked out great.
Alright. Well, that is my conversation, honestly. I
am done talking about this episodes, and
I appreciate you joining me for this. I
(40:45):
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and drop us a message there. I'd love
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(41:06):
about Daredevil Born Again? Are you
enjoying it? Is this a worthy successor?
Does it feel like this is a continuation
of the first three seasons of Daredevil
plus
Defenders?
Do you feel like this is of a
hole with that? I do. I'm I'm feeling
it.
Of course, it really helps with Fisk and
(41:28):
Matt Murdock using the same actors. Okay. So
there's that. But
what do you think? Are you enjoying it
so far?
Check one. Yes or no. And and
yeah. So anyway,
I do feel bad for those of you
who are just joining us that you didn't
get to hear
Samantha, didn't get to hear Stewart, didn't get
(41:48):
to meet them.
I do have something.
Let me see
if I can
there we go. This is her right here.
Custom designed funko in her honor.
Oh, yeah. Well,
you you can't see.
(42:10):
Well,
it's her.
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Okay. Well, it's time for a post credit.
And really, the big thing for the post
credit right now is just the Avengers
doomsday,
announcement that they made. There is some
craziness
going on with that, and
I'm looking for the conversation that we had
(43:51):
on our thread
about
about what was going on with that. It
was crazy.
When when that was happening, I just kind
of accidentally came across,
what was happening.
I saw an article and the article said
they're doing this announcement. I'm like, oh, I'll
check and see what what this announcement is
like. And I'm expecting to see,
(44:12):
Kev dog, Kevin Feige. I'm expecting to see
him reading off some sort of, well, announcement.
And instead
what we got was,
this five, six, seven hour video. I'm not
sure how long it actually was.
And every ten minutes, every fifteen minutes or
so, they move from chair to chair showing
(44:33):
the people who are going to be on
there. And so since Stuart and Samantha can't
be here,
I'm gonna read the conversation
that we had
and and just kinda it's gonna be a
dramatic dramatic presentation
of what was going on.
And so let's see here.
(44:56):
Wow. This is okay. This is a long
one.
So here we go.
This is
okay. So March 26 at 11:59AM.
Here's what I did. I'm at work and
so I just I have a couple different
monitors on my desk at work and one
of them I usually have as an extra
(45:17):
screen. I put Spotify on that screen but
I also will sometimes
do a full screen with YouTube live cameras.
And so there is a live cam in
the Serengeti Desert that I watch. We ostriches
come to this watering hole, zebras come, warthogs
come. It's really hyenas come. It's really fascinating.
It's really interesting.
I also do the ISS station because they
(45:38):
have a live feed where you can kind
of see what their camera is looking down
on and you can look down on the
earth in in real time. And it's crazy
because there's actually, like,
if it's passing over some place with a
storm, you could see flashes of lightning in
the clouds.
It is wild. It is really interesting.
And there's some aquariums, that I'll also watch.
(45:59):
Whenever I have the aquarium up, especially one
with a shark, I feel like I'm a
Bond villain
and I'm in my lair with the sharks
swimming around behind me.
What I did was I put this announcement
up
without sound. Now with sound there was some
dramatic music playing but I put up without
sound.
And so I sent the message that said,
Cast of Doomsday being announced.
Chris Hemsworth as Thor this is from an
(46:21):
article. Chris Hemsworth as Thor, Vanessa Kirby as
Sue Storm, Anthony Mackie as Captain America, Sebastian
Stamm as Bucky Barnes,
Letitia Wright as Shuri slash
Black Panther. Then my next message was
and I sent the link
right when they were announcing,
I can't remember who they were, they are
announcing with the video with this video. In
(46:41):
the video, they are panning down a row
of chairs and lingering on each chair for
ten minutes before moving on to the next
one.
So Stewart was replying to the list that
I sent and he said, so file this
under duh. And I said, so far, yeah.
Click now to see the next chair.
It is
it
is funny. Oh, that's because that was Paul
Rudd's tiny chair. And Stewart says, okay, that's
(47:03):
funny. And then Samantha says, I see why
dramatic, dramatic, really reading. Stewart says, okay, that's
funny.
And Samantha says, I see Wyatt Russell's name.
And then I said, rewind a bit to
the previous chair. Paul Rudd,
why is this announcement so tediously slow? And
then I say creating buzz.
Stewart says, is this the first TV to
(47:24):
film announcement? I think that was because of
Wyatt Russell.
And
and then we got into a little bit
of argument about who was the first person
to go move from TV
to film
in the in the MCU.
And let's see. So
moving ahead a little bit.
(47:49):
I say,
so Danny Ramirez jumped from TV to movies,
for
Falcon and Winter Soldier
to brace new world. And then Samantha says
brace new world. That would be an interesting
movie title. I kid. I kid. And I
said, brace is the misspelling you focus on
because I really botched up soldier.
Stewart says, that's right. Thanks for the reminder.
(48:09):
It's still interesting to see TV to film.
There's hope for Fitzsimmons. Yes. Samantha says, yes.
And then in her audio haughty voice, I
have never misspelled a word in my life.
This is how our you know, you have
conversations like this. Right?
And then Stewart says no one cares about
Fitzsimmons anymore. Okay. So next we had Sima
Liu and then two Fantastic Four
actors have been announced so far. Stewart says
(48:30):
awesome. Getting excited for that. I think RDJ
as doom is just a diversion.
And then we have Yvonne Moss Bachrock, the
thing.
And I'm like, I need a 10 times
speed version, which they did do.
Samantha says I'm scrubbing back every five minutes
to make sure I didn't miss a name.
And then
Stewart
TV to film. Oh, micro. Because the thing,
Ben Grimm, is actually being played by the
(48:50):
same guy who played micro in in Punisher.
Samantha says I'm ecstatic that Sima Leo is
returning
following the success of Shang Chi. I thought
he would have gotten a little bit more
attention for being a part of the Barbie
movie since he played Ryan Reynolds' rival.
And then talk she's talking about Micro. She
says, now the Punisher series has seemed to
have folded into this timeline and curious to
(49:10):
how the MCU is going to handle even
double casting. Maybe they could say that Micro
and Ben Grimm are somehow related. Of course,
I can't imagine Micro making another appearance in
the MCU.
Then Florence Pugh's name is now up. I
don't know how to stay here name.
And then Kelsey Grammer. And then Stewart says
toss salad and scrambled eggs.
Bob is back. I think he's referring to,
(49:31):
Bob from Sideshow Bob from the Simpsons.
Lewis Pullman. Samantha says Lewis Pullman. Who's that?
Oh, he's playing Sentry and Thunderbolts.
Danny Ramirez,
not terribly surprised because Captain America has been
announced.
Then Stewart says wait wasn't Charlie Cox
TV to movie for Spider Manpalooza?
(49:54):
Which we're back to that.
All four fantastic four announced now.
Joseph Quinn was announced. Davy Harbor Harbor was
announced. And then Samantha says, yep. And I
said, honestly, mister t would not be a
surprise to me. They've got everyone in the
world.
Stewart would be no surprise. Samantha says mister
t would be a fun surprise.
And then I said and this is where
(50:14):
we're getting
silly but it's post credit. Right? Lou Costello
would be no surprise. King Henry the eighth
would be no surprise. Bobo the idiot talking
monkey would be no surprise.
And then Samantha says, I haven't seen Charlie
Cox announced yet. Did I miss that? No.
I say no announcement of him yet. Winston
Duke,
John Kamen,
Tom Hiddleston,
(50:35):
Patrick Stewart. That's a surprise. And Stewart says,
why is Picard in an MCU movie? And
then I said, and Gandalf, Ian McKellen.
So we have Gandalf, Picard, and Frasier. What
a crazy movie this is. Things are getting
wonky because that's when they announced Alan Cumming.
Alright.
Alan Cumming.
And then they announced Rebecca Romijn,
(50:55):
another Star Trek actor.
And then,
James Marsden. That was the one that really
surprised me,
James Marsden.
Samantha says, if they say Hugh Jackman, I'm
gonna flip my lid.
And then,
I said, how can they not? And Ryan
Reynolds
and mister Bean, and Samantha says, and Mickey
(51:15):
Mouse. And I say, and the guy that
played second Hobbit.
And then Samantha says, Deadpool would make sense.
So she's bringing us back bringing us back.
And I said, this video has almost run
five hours
now. So that's what we're crazy about this
five hours. Then Stewart says, okay, this is
bizarre.
(51:37):
And,
oh, and then there was also I was
also saying I really wanted to watch Twin
Peaks for some reason. I don't know why.
Channing Tatum. So basically X men, all of
them. And Smith says, really? No. That's surprising.
And I said, including people from the phone
book who happen to have an x in
their name. And Samantha says, here's the real
question. Will Channing use the same accent coach?
(51:57):
Then I said, thing is, these people are
most likely from other universes than the ones
who showed up in Deadpool. Most likely from
the one at the end of the Marvels.
Marvels. So maybe yes.
To
I don't know what I was saying maybe
yes to, but I said maybe no to
the Channing Tatum
accent coach.
(52:17):
And then Samantha says Deadpool can handle a
multiverse scenario he already has and I say
can we? And Samantha says I can. I
don't know about you though. I don't know
if you guys remember this because it was
twenty twenty five years ago when the Patrick
Stewart era x men movies were first in
the works. People wanted Josh Holloway
Sawyer from Lost, to play Gambit. And I
said, I do remember. And I expected Stewart
to say, Pepperidge Farm remembers,
(52:39):
but he didn't.
And Samantha says, I was beginning to wonder
if he would be announced.
And I was wondering when they would announce
Pedro Pascal. And I said, now. Now is
when? And then Samantha wonders, are they gonna
announce Dan Stevens? It would seem to be
possible at this point, which that's from Legion
and actually is a lot more on target
than some of the other things we've talked
about.
And,
(53:01):
and then okay, so this is again being
silly. They just announced Grogu,
Betty Davis, John the Baptist, my mom and
Ringo Starr. And then at that point they
did the final chair which was Robert Downey
Jr,
who was there in person and he takes
a look at the camera and shushes us.
Samantha asked how many names is that? And
(53:22):
then she says don't bother counting some reporter
will do it later. And I said I'm
not. I lost count at John the Baptist.
And
then they showed a lineup of all the
chairs and they replaced Paul Rudd's chair.
So
that is the big news.
And, for those of you who are just
(53:43):
joining us for this podcast and you're wondering,
oh, I wonder what the post credits are
gonna be like. This. This is what the
post credits are like
just with a little more banter back and
forth. I tried you know, this would have
been the banter we would have had. I'm
sure I would have made some sort of
John the Baptist joke with this casting announcement.
But anyway, that is that. So I will
(54:03):
talk with you all later. Thank you so
much for spending time with me here. And
until next time,
Godspeed.
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