"DON'T CRY FOR ME ARGENTINA!" w/ Jacob Meszaros and Deb Cullen

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Will You Accept This Rose? A production of
I Heart Radio. I forgot about Chad guys, and it
was just the right level of reminder, just enough. I
will accept you eating an uncooked gyam as you hold

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it in your fist and you're fashioning a weightlifting belt
attached to a chain next to a giant suitcase filled
with only protein powder. I accept that. Yeah, I eccept.
I don't accept your running time, Chris Harrison and your
son Harrison Harrison. Hello, welcome to a very special will

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you Accept This Rose Goat edition? Or as I like
to call it, wo't the worst of all time? As
they take wonderful fun seasons and turn them into unfun
viewing experiences, as they drag it out, as they extend
it all for eighteen hours at a time with filler.
I was I'm not going to act like I wasn't

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happy to see uh cutie pie Cameron Tyler Cameron, and
I enjoyed that. I enjoyed seeing Matt James like that
part I liked. But I get it. Chris Harrison, you
have weird taste and interior design. You wrote a book,
The Perfect Letter. It's out of print. Jerry got his
book Rookie of the Year. I bought one of those books.

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I sent it like as a secret present to Jerry Traynor,
and I received a photo of him reading it and
it just said I hate you are to Marina underneath,
and I felt like that meant we were friends. Um,
I'm so excited. We have such fun people joining us today. Now,
if you guys are members of our Patreon you've been,

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you've met are the newest members of the will accept
this Rose family? Uh, they have been brave enough now.
I don't know if you guys know, but on Patreon
we are doing not one, but two series right now,
Tanna and I are breaking down both the Bacheldre in
New Zealand, which is absolutely may I say part of
my French batch ship crazy with not one but two bachelorettes,

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a mole and a stripper chocolate tear dad right Anna
bat shit. And we're also doing just had a fun
and curiosity to see if you guys were interested. I
felt like you there was some crossover in the Bravo world.
So for the very first time, we're doing a Bravo
series and we've been breaking down Real Housewives of New
York with two of my favorite people, and they're so funny,

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and so we were like, let's get them on the
main pod so people can get to know them. They're
part of the family. Now. One person is a Bachelor.
I'm gonna say fan, I might even say super fan
like me. Another one has never seen one episode of
The Bachelor in their entire life until they watched the
Vote Jojo season last night. No I love Jojo. Jojo

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was a goat. The format was a vote with Us
Today is a woman who loves The Bachelor. She loves Jojo.
She was so excited that Joejo was going to be
this season that she got for the tonight's episode. She
We worked together for eight years. I did eight seasons
of Chelsea Lately with her. She was my producer for

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like a hundred and fifteen episodes. She is one of
my best friends. We enjoy a very green castrole like
three times a year at either Hugoes in the Valley
or Hugoes in West Hollywood. She's a great tennis player
and she's a terrific dog mom, ladies and gentlemen. Deb Collen,
I mean that's an intro. Thank you, that's her intro,

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and let me just clarify one thing. I'm a bachelor
sometimes fan, but let me tell you, I love me
some Joe, Joe and Jordan's I gotta tell you. Watching
again last night, I was like, Jojo was a great bachelorette.
She's so cute and darling and I loved I mean,
you know, Caitlin's my number one. Caitlin's my go, go, go,
go go, But JoJo's a close Jojo and Rachel those

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were three great. Yeah. Okay. Also with us is I'm
gonna say, I'm gonna say a ladies man in that
he gets along with women, you know what I mean.
He's loyal to his wife. He's not like out like
prowling around, but like he is a gentleman who has
women friends. This is a guy who is a nice person.

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This is not a creep. But and this is a
person whose wife loved the Housewife franchise. So he loves
a friend. You know. Just so happened that that was
the lane of the highway. She could have pitched the
back short. He would have been on the bachlor. He
loves his lady as it is. He is my wonderful
writing partner for screenplays. He read my book and gave
it the thumbs up. And uh, he has such a delight.

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I adore writing with him. Ladies and gentlemen, Jacob Missars,
thank you, thank you Ardend for asking me to join
on this, uh, this podcast. Yes, you're correct, I'd never
see I know of the Bachelor. I've never seen the Bachelor.
So this was this was a good a good uh,

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A good season to watch, Yes, and a terrible introduction
because I want you to know that the actual it's
a fun experience to watch it. It's like you're a
sports fan. It's like trying to jam an entire season
of the like a whole sports franchise into one like
Weird three hour with zoom filler. It's it doesn't do
it justice, but so we're hoping you have so much

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fun that you actually start watching. When Claire comes and
then when Matt comes in your you drink, you drink
the kool aid. Also with us, we have two women.
She's looking radiant in a tube top. She could go
out and get that tan of her dreams right now.
This is a woman who's ready. I have to say.
She looks like she's got a little glow happening just
a little nuts nut skin demage, but a little bit

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of a tan Anna Tanna jsnie fie. Thank you. I
I did to get some sun this weekend, but not
a lot. I mean I can tell and it looks good.
You look healthy and well. Also a woman who just
convinced me to buy Heart Shape prescription glasses for when
I and that they are right off for when I
do the Bachelor podcast now. I ordered them online. They

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cost twenty dollars, which was a lot. I'm not saying
they're gonna do good things from my eyes, but they
are gonna be exciting to wear when I break down
Claire's season. Ladies and gentlemen, Katy Levine, I think the
glasses are worth it. I think they're gonna look amazing.
You know, they can be a little surprised. And when
we record you put them on. I can't wait. I
can't wait. And when I auditioned to play a judge,
I can wear them some people. First of all, before

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we get started, I want to just I'm gonna get
some business out of the way. Um. Number one, thank
you to everybody who bought my book and who's been
sending in their uh the receipts you can buy from
any independent bookstore. You can do from the bigger chains
like a Barnes and Noble or Amazon, or we have
local bookstores. You can pre order anywhere. Every single week

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we are doing giveaways right now. I am drying. You
can see it's Can you guys verify, Jacob, can you verify?
I'm pulling out a little polar Bear sack. This is
to give away a little miss little content custom tote
that I spent to have printed. Each one cost thirteen dollars.
That's a lot for individual and I got a preview

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and people it is an amazing tote. It's an amazing tote.
I was like, I spent I have a two color
print happening on it. I spent that that was not cheap.
I also got the thick canvas because I don't want
you guys going to Trader Joe's going. I don't know,
I don't know where you're going to the jewel, I
don't know what part of the country you're in. I

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don't want you to go and having to getting tongue
like this is a thick tote that you can wear
to the beach. You know, socially distanced, all right, Who's
I'm gonna be giving away every week. Next week we're
giving away a custom puzzle. Jacob, you've seen the puzzle.
How mad is the puzzle? I've seen it as well.
It's incredible. What did you see when you looked at
the puzzle? What did I see? Do you want me

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to describe? You can It's on Facebook, but you can
give a visual discription. The authors of the book ard
yes course, but also Ardent Catts and I'm recreated by
sixth grade photos down to actually wearing glasses. Alright. The
person who's getting the tote is Leah Connor. Leah Connor,

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I'm gonna mail you a tope, congratulate next me the puzzle.
Next week we're giving away a puzzler. So many giveaways
coming up, So bya email us at Rose Podcast at
gmail dot com. Every week. We are doing giveaways every
week until it comes out. Also email us. We're going
we're going to the best of All time. We're going
to do the the Peter season. We're going to do

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with the two or three fans, so you can nominate
yourself for somebody else. We already had some fun nominations
emailed in. So this is it's going to be an
all fan episode which is gonna be breaking down Peter
season with us, and um, there we go. All right,
here we are, guys, Here we are overall Joe Joe's season.
It was nice to see Joe do again. Like, I know,

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I've railed against the format, but I've calmed down now
that I've accepted it is what it is. Jojo was
a great bachelorette and we have a lot to get through,
so let's get going. We're back in Chris Harrison's Ramada
in like study and behind him is the perfect letter
and and we were talking about each ordering one and
then reading it and doing a book group with Jerry

(09:27):
and then maybe doing some readings perhaps as a podcast. Guys,
you can't buy it new, but you can order a
used one. Spread it dump so you don't get COVID.
But like, maybe we all read it and we do
an episode where we do maybe all these we do
a special. I'm good, Yeah, okay, great, Um, so here
we are. It looks like his son Josh, whose eyes

(09:50):
are so he's so mad at his dad. His eyes
are so dead. He can't believe he's still filming his dad.
Do you think he pays him. I was just gonna
ask if you think josh was getting some sort of
college credit or something for this. There was a few
times he spoke and I thought, he probably has to
speak a certain number of times and then he I
bet he got like seven hundred bucks. I remember when

(10:11):
I was an Internet conan, if you were in a
sketch and you said something and I I was on camera,
you'd get like five or seven hundred bucks, which was
thrilling because I wasn't making anything anywhere else. Jacob, and
it funny you mentioned that josh Joshua was I think, yeah,
it's his son, because I didn't I really felt like
he wasn't his son, and that ABC delivered this guy

(10:32):
to him to this room, so that that's really shows
the type of relationship they have. So that's really nice.
Do you think it's his only I'm sure he has
more kids, he seems. I mean, you know they've got
some man cave that that kid's gotten high end something
like right, don't you think if your dad was the
host of the Bachelor, what Anna do? How often do

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you think Joshua has gotten And don't you think he's
probably josh to his friends yeah, why wouldn't he. I
don't know. They must. I mean, I'm assuming they're very rich,
so Josh must have some sort of fun lifestyle. I
don't know. I know he has a daughter too. I
think he might only have two kids. But they live

(11:15):
I know, but if they live right down the road
from Peter. They're up in that like western like line
dancing world that's like l A, but not l A.
It's a whole Westlake or Westlake. I think they're up
by Westlake Alba. Yeah, they're way up there. So we
have Wells and Sarah our friend Wells. And by the way,
it was fun watching this and to see like this

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season we really cracked. We've gotten to know, We've met
in person so many of these guys. I feel like
this was our most successful season that we ever cracked.
Would you agree with that, Katie and Anna? Yeah, yeah,
we met a lot of these guys. We met Wells,
We met James Taylor, they did not show at all.
We met Evan, we met Christian, and then we met Alex,

(11:57):
who really faced down James Taylor is sorry going Alex Marina.
I forgot we met Alex the marine he was He
was so nice and he was very cute and persony
and really cute eyes. We really he really, he really
want us over. And I was actually really happy for
him last night because I felt like during the season

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he was sort of not as president, but like he
got more airtime than James Taylor or a lot of
other people. James Taylor is very mad about tweet Know
what did he said? He tweeted, um been real Bachelor
Nation and then he tagged Flice, Mike Flice and crew

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hate me because I openly support our president. Knew they'd
cut me out tonight. The franchise has done a lot
for me though, So thanks onto politics Splash Music. You'll
never hear from me in this world again. God blessed.
I mean, just be cool. Chase supports Trump, and they
gave him a nice like like I don't think. I
don't think it's that. I think a lot of the guy,

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like whatever, I think he was like, honestly think looking back,
he wasn't as big of a part of the season.
I think he was popular at the time. Maybe he
just wasn't as big of a heart, especially for like,
you know, the greatest of all time, Like he wasn't
there that long well, I think he was everybody over
because he was a sweetie pie who felt less than
But then I think perhaps when he openly went on
his I think You're Hot a sex space pun tory,

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he might have lost something and he was open about it.
I think that like going from being the sweetie pie
to like the writing a tsunami of Pune, that might
have maybe not made him less exciting to bring back. Okay,
so we have Wells and Sarah Highland, um, who were
sort of hosting this thing dead. What did you think
of that? Well? I loved seeing Wells obviously back. Everybody

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loves Wells and Sarah, and I think it was funny
to look back, did you. I was thinking of you
and thinking it must be fun for you to watch
Wells actually in it, you know, during his season, yes, um,
but it was he was so true to himself in
the season. He's such a good guy, you know, and
he kind of they were laughing at that last night,
but I was like, I love that he was kind

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of always like that, even when he was on the show.
He really stood out and I think that that's like
and and it actually shows you that he said more
in some ways more longevity than any other human in
the franchise. Jacob just said, you know, this is the
only guy that's ever come on who I felt like
we would be friends. Like who Remember he was on

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a date in Paradise. He went on a date with
a girl who we actually now adore and love. But
they were talking about he wasn't He was a DJ
in Nashville and they were talking about their favorite albums,
and she said he said that he loved Talking Heads,
stopped making sense, and she stared at him blankly and
said her favorite album was by Hanson and like. But
just to have anyone referenced Talking Heads on the show's

(14:54):
Although this comes from the guy who did produce All
for One for his opening Hello, it was amazing by
the way, he pointed out. He tweeted out last night
that the Jeane jacket he was wearing sitting next to
Sarah was the jacket that he wore in his promo
shots five years ago. That he still has the same
jacket and is wearing it. Deab As much as I

(15:15):
love seeing Wells and Sarah, and of course they had
to be part of the you know this show, I
was a little bit it felt like the Wells and
Sarah show and as you're going to discover, I am
a I love Joejoe and Jordan's. I've always been a
Jordan fan, and I was like, where are they through
the whole show. I mean they came on at the end.
It was Jordan's was live Instagram like, putting up live

(15:40):
Instagram stories the entire time, and that was more enjoyable
in a way than the show. I saw them later
because Wells I saw in Wells a story that he
had posted them and they were really fun. So here
we are and we saw so we we saw, um,
we see all. She actually had a pretty okay group
of guys, but I felt she picked wrong, you know
what I mean, like some of them, know, they weren't

(16:02):
that great. They weren't that no. Deb Deb remember watching
this episode this SAST season and we were calling them
like the skinny Jeans gang. Like these guys were all
when you were meeting them in the beginning, it's like
one pants were like tighter than the other. They were
like capris. Oh, they're like spandex. You know, all had
like a soup of the hair that we called the Falcon.

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So like Robbie and Jordan, all the guys that want
the specific almost pompadour swoop and Jacob, you and I
were talking. You thought that Robbie looked like he spray
painted on his hair. He sure did. He looked a
little like Will Forte as well. But you're right the hair.
Everyone had a hair, like a big high hair thing going. Um,

(16:43):
this is where the falcon started. That was when what's
his name came on? Theo Van came on and called
him the falcon um. So then we have so we
have Grant, who's the firefighter. Luke who um oh Luke. Okay,
so we'll get to so we basically we meet all
the guys just so, there's Alex and there was Jordan's Luke,

(17:05):
who is a veteran. We have Evan, the dick doctor
who's so so pumped I got my mojo for Jojo
and then when he sees her, he goes, oh God,
bless America. He was reminded because Jacob Evan. Now, what's
fun about Evan is he was this like underdogg ee
guy who you know, with all these super alpha males

(17:27):
who actually ended up with the greatest love success story
of all time at Paradise and he married the cutest
girl and they like he totally got the babe and
they have two babies. Now, Like, it's fun to see
that this underdog one totally I again, I hadn't seen
the original show, so it's just like it was amazing

(17:50):
to see this like what is this guy doing there?
And it was so scrawny and and I so it
was great to see him stand up to Chad, which
we'll get to and fun just to see also again
watching back to see how well his story ends, knowing
like this guy that was kind of a joke, Like
this dick doctor that was kind of a joke. He
was really skinny, he was a little awkward that he

(18:12):
thrived depth he was he was definitely put in there
for like the comedic, you know, relief that the editors
could have fun with this dick doctor who like wouldn't
stand up to Chad and whatever. So it was really
fun to rewatch his his portion of it now knowing
what his like what the end of his story was.
They gave a lot of airtime to Nick, who actually

(18:34):
barely he literally did nothing on the show, but but
he was the Santa who would go oh jo jo
jo Jo Jojo, but there was like Jacob, yes, yes,
so glad you brought that up. I was like, why
is Santa there? I had no clue. They thought there
was an inside joke or something, but that was a
he That was basically all he did in this season.
And I recalled Katie Anna, didn't he come back to

(18:54):
Paradise once and get kind of yeah? He wasn't he
drunk in Paradise? Who is that guy? Yeah? He was.
He was really drunk in Paradise. He was drunk in Paradise.
And we're like, all right, that was Jojo Santa like yeah,
because that was the best thing he came up with,
was Joe Jo Jo Jojo. Yes. But another fascinating character
was I think Derek. He was from He was the Canadian. No, No,

(19:18):
not Derek. That Daniel. He's my favorite. I love him. Okay,
So here we are, Um we have we We meet
Luke the war Vet. He's comfortable what I bring to
the table. He wants to be intentional about it. Um
Jordan's telling him, I'm goofy and really goofy. Okay, So
here we are. Let me just so, Daniel is a

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Canadian and he we start out we meet Daniel, who's
such a fun character. And it was fun seeing him
in the beginning before I liked see him in his
purest form. I think this and Paradise the first time
because he had like we actually see that he is
like this weird savant. It was before he had gotten
popular for it, and just so before he was famous

(20:03):
for these things his brain. It was actually such a
great character for this. So he starts out, he starts
poking Evan in the belly button and somebody, and he
starts telling joj about like you know, damn Daniel, right,
and then he's the guy that stone cold sober and
I say this as a person with a corgy like
Torso he strips down and he has such a long
body like myself. He's got a long, very muscular, almost

(20:27):
like a horseman, like a centaur body. And he strips down.
He gets naked, tidy whities in his tiny bit tighty whities,
and he jumps. He jumps in the pool kind of
sober opening night. Um. He also tries to get Evan
to look at him, trying to say that his dick
is out, but it's not out, and um, he keeps

(20:48):
saying take a peek, take a peek, and then I
and then we'll get to him a little bit later
with Chad. But that's our intro to Daniel, who was
such a fun presence in this franchise death I did.
It's a great point about we have a dog in it.
We guys got a dog happening, and he's really misbehaving today,
so I apologize. We you know, it's a good point

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about seeing Daniel early on because um, like knowing him
then from like Paradise or even as the season goes,
like you kind of I kind of remember him almost
as this guy who was pushing this character in a way.
But that is but that is like how he was
to you know, and um and you know what, I
just love remembering the whole viral sensation of Dan Daniel

(21:32):
we do you know what else is? Here's because Jacob
is new to all this, But like, what was interesting
to seeing a lot of these guys from this season
got kind of famous because I feel like a lot
of them went to Paradise. This is so it's interesting
seeing a lot of them at the Purity at the
beginning of their run, before they became influencers, when they
all probably had like seven hundred followers, like the fun

(21:55):
of seeing somebody before the machine death, I thought too.
And I could be wrong on my timing of this, um,
but like because this was right to me in the
sweet spot of like Bachelor Bachelorette times of like your
big kind of like stand out and people who would
come on I thought, like Caitlin season. I mean, I
think Chris Souls, I would argue his season started it

(22:17):
and not Crystals himself, but those ladies and then kind
of continued through to this. But then it started to
be more of like the people pushing a character, you
know a little more, and so, um, yeah, this is
like a little purer So it's well, I think it's
also because it was still more early days of Instagram
where it was a little like it wasn't a game,

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and it was also early days. This was now like
when Paradise was starting to get because like Jacob, before Paradise,
you could basically you either one or you didn't win,
and if you didn't win, there was only one person
that was going to become the Bachelor of the Bachelorette.
So there's really like two people that can kind of
win out of this. And then and then you go
back to your life. Now. I think people actually don't

(23:01):
even want to win. They either they either want to
go to Paradise where they get paid, they get more
error time, they get more, or they want to be
the bachelor bachelorette. I think to be chosen is almost
even less fun, would you? I mean, so that's what's happening,
Jacob interesting And so this was earlier days, this was
like twenty fifteen. It's not quite it's like starting to happen,

(23:25):
but it wasn't as much as the guarantee as it
is now. Yeah, right on the cost. Well, the next
weeks is going to be I guess it's been on
since two thousand two, so incredible. So they're going to
have the first season next week, the greatest of all.
I can't wait. I wish they were actually showing the
whole season, but they which you can't buy online. I've
tried to watch the first season, but um, I feel

(23:47):
like before there was a higher success rate of the
couples before the Instagram thing, like the fact that Jojo
and Jordan actually are still together, Like I feel like
less people actually stayed together there now and they meet
more in Paradise or afterwards sort of like Curly and Evan,
but like there was there for earlier days they had
a higher success rate. Would you agree with that, deb

(24:10):
I would for sure, you know, And I think also
again it was like there was these few seasons that
seemed to between the the the actual Bachelor, Bachelorette and
Paradise that they all became like almost like this big
group of buddies, you know that whether or not they
started dating each other or just hanging out, like, there's
a whole yeah, group of them. So the very first

(24:32):
um one on one date that we saw, she goes
on a date with Chase. He was a medical sales rep.
And they go and they do tantric yoga and they
have to move their pelvis and go hey, hey hey,
and then they get into this thing called a yum
yum where they like basically our mountain mounting each other
and they go their third eyes in alignment and then

(24:52):
they're connected and then they just started like making out
and it was so intimate and uh, the New England
or and me got nervous. Jacob, Yeah, I couldn't believe
what I was watching it. I was like, wait, there's
also an instructor there with her partner and and they're like,
are you supposed to be rubbing noses? And I could

(25:12):
see there they're they're like touching the way they're like
touching each other, and then they start making out. Like
whoa wait, wait a minute, you're in this is a class.
I thought, what's happening? It was death. It always strikes
me on the show like like if you're Chase and
you get stuck with the tantric yoga like date and
then like the next guy gets to be like in

(25:33):
a helicopter flying around like New York City, you know,
and I'm like the disparaging of dates sometimes it's like
just ridiculous. He was almost perfect for that date in
that in that like he's a built guy I am,
who's sort of just like a like he's just a
steady eddie. He's you know, he doesn't seem neurotic. I

(25:54):
mean he has he has his like the divorce stuff.
Like he seems just sort of like a good, solid guy.
And he's like, all right, I'm just gonna like be
a mountain and let her climb me, and we're just
gonna go eye to eye. And like it was two
very good looking people straddling one another. But but I'm like,
what are you watching? Anna? What did you think? Yeah?
I mean you really have to be a trooper to

(26:17):
do dates like that while people are filming you, because
it's so awkward. And then you have like this lady
being like yeah, like super encouraging, so you don't want
to be negative. I couldn't do it. It's so weird.
I panicked for him. I panicked for him, like like
of course you're going to get a bon or you
know what I mean. I like worried for the guy.
And then it's almost like a fense, like like I

(26:38):
don't know, I just worry. I just was like, oh
my god, Katie, what did you think? I know you're
you're in Boner Patrol. What did you think of all that? I? Well,
I never liked Chase, so that made me. I didn't
like it because of that, because I found him be born.
But as like a first date that would be insanely uncomfortable,
like I would not be okay with it, and they

(26:58):
they did it. They did it, they just and I
was like, am I so uptight that this would be
a really terrifying first saver? Daring? This staring and also
in COVID times, I'm like, your face to face, like
your face to face, bro. I mean, there was so
I thought they were he was gonna bite her face off.

(27:20):
I don't know what was going to happen. But she
also kept mentioning like he was sweating. We were all
sweating like that love it. And I was literally like,
well look at her little figure, like they're so they're
both so fit, like and we've talked every single person
we've ever met on this franchise and like, by the way,
these are the two on camera that are fucking hot.

(27:42):
Even the ones that are plainer that we've met from
this franchise are so much better looking than anybody that
I know in real life. They're so everyone is so
good looking that's been on this, like on this franchise. Like,
I don't know, deb you were about to say something, well,
I was just thinking out. I mean the awkwardness of course,
of like having to be the two people there. What

(28:04):
about the instructor too, This is all just sitting there
like okay, And yet that's what they teach, like that
they teach that they're like you gotta get your you
gotta clear your chakra, your pelvic chakra, like, no, it's
just gonna be blocked. It's just gonna be blocked. Okay,
So then we have then we have we see Wells's

(28:25):
journey and poor Wells. I remember this because my brother
was sort of a little girl. By the way, in person,
Wells is skinny, but Wells is really tall, Like Wells
isn't like a slight guy, like he's lean, but he's
he's not like a like a little shrimp boat. And um,
but I felt so bad for him. I hate the
heat and the thought of me piling on like firefighter stuff,

(28:46):
like if it was hot, if you're doing this up
in Calabasas, like and you have that much. I could
see being the one needing medical attention, I felt. And
then he kind of passed out and then they brought
in the medic and he was struggling, he was about
to faint, and then she had to go talk to him.
I just my brother was sort of a morse. Like.
I just really felt for Wills in this, and I
forgot this part of the journey. Jacob, Oh, yeah, I

(29:08):
totally felt that. That seems awful and and it's funny
he did he did seem, at least to me, you know,
like a tiny man, just a small guy. He's not,
but he's like a muscle man, Katie, what do you
think he's He is tall, and I wouldn't call him
like super skinny. I would call him like he looks

(29:29):
like he runs works out some does some sort of workout.
But I think compared to every other guy in the show,
a lot of them are like Chad, he is made
very because they made him look like Mr Burns, you
know what I mean. I felt, I feel like he's
quite fit in person. He's very good looking. You know,
he's got a good money Yeah, yeah, I mean he

(29:49):
Deb's Madam Deb's produced him. He's thin, He's not at
least I was struck by House like a small He
was really skinny to me in person, I thought more
so than on he looked actually rounded out on the
show interesting, okay, Jacob. I loved seeing though the commentary

(30:10):
from all the other guys. It's like, oh, it's so weak,
or when it basically and then they're like, oh, I
guess I guess that we should have done that too.
To get more time with she had a lot of meathead.
She really they were all meat head, like one guy
hasn't kissed one guy isn't kissed Joe Joe, and then
like he did like a nervous handshake and he wanted

(30:31):
to kiss or he was waiting for the right moment.
So they're in Argentina, and I remember that they did
like like what is it called, like la, It's it's
not stomp. It's this water they used to have on
a New York in by Union Square. It's like first
it begins with an F. But anyway, so they did
like this water ballet and the dark and it was
like the which looked stressful. It looked so stressful. And

(30:55):
then they were sliding and she but she's positioning herself trying.
I've known that I've had crushes on guys that just
would not kiss me, that felt like they were like
interested and and they literally would just never. You're just
trying to position yourself and like trying to make it happen.
And then like he finally kissed her, and then she
actually starts screaming, we did it. That was the moment

(31:18):
we did it. She screamed it in person, which made
me feel badly for him. Jacob as a man, how
did you feel for wealth. Oh, I feel horrible for him.
It was just like seeing him at they were at
like this outdoor market. Oh, that looked like you just
just waiting to see him. I don't find that moment.
It was just so awkward because also the date starts

(31:42):
with the note saying are you gonna like kiss me?
So it's like, way, I'll I set the tone right away,
and all the guys, all the meat heads are like
laughing at him. I mean the thing ladies do like
personality and charm and Jojo you know, definitely was interested
in Wow, some of these meatheads, so you know, like

(32:02):
that's not attractive always to the ladies. So no, Anna,
what did you think of this? Yeah? That was like
there was it was a bummer because there was so
much pressure for them to kiss, but like they didn't.
I mean, like I don't know. I felt bad when
she was like that was the moment, or like when
they like went in minute when she called it out.
I feel like I would have done something like that

(32:25):
and then really been like, oh you shouldn't. He should
have just let it. Like I I fear that I
have that inside me that I could have been guilty
of what Jojo did, which she was trying to help
them to know. It's more Jacob correct me if I'm
wrong here, but it puts a lot more pressure. Actually,
oh yeah, completely, I mean, but she said what a sense?

(32:46):
Didn't she say how sensual it was in the dark
and the water, They just seemed like they were squirming
around and it was tough, not not finding their balance
very well. It was to it was tough, and he
got cut. I think that day. Didn't he get cut
that day? I think he got cut that episode. Well,
that dance sequence made me about as uncomfortable as the

(33:09):
tantra yoga. I had to say. Well, then we go
back to Sarah and Wells and she's like, he's the
best kisser, and we learned that in the quarantine they've
been doing tantric yoga and that was confusing. So then,
um so then meanwhile, this is where it gets good.
And this is where again I don't need to have
a full season of Chad, but I very much enjoyed
an evening of Chad. I forgot about his protein powder

(33:31):
and supplements, that he put on a wheat belt and
that he chained with a gigantic like garage chain like
in a revolutionary way, and he just started like doing
pull ups with his luggage filled with protein powder attached
to a belt. Um. It was spectacular. And remember so

(33:52):
then James Taylor and all of the guys are singing
Joe Joe songs and Chad is just standing there eating meat.
I mean, there was such a great montage, Jacob. It's
funny at first Chad seeing alright, Chad set up as
the bad guy and he's you know, it was idiotic
with this chat luggage hanging from him. But they set

(34:14):
it up where, yeah, the guys were singing and obsessed
with Jojo. That seems really lame to me. So I
was like, your Chad, look, Chad gives me serial killer vibes.
But I agree with Chad right now. And then I
that's what it was dangerous about Chad, because Chad actually
had a point. For a hot second, he was right.
He was like, what the fund is wrong with you?

(34:35):
You just met her, your love with her? But then
he did. But then like he went from like a
having a point to just crossing over so fast serial
killers do. I guess it's kind of funny, that's what
his tweets were. Still funny to me and and I,
but I also was I was afraid for all these
people poking the bear. I'm like, he's out there now,

(34:57):
like leave him alone, don't remind him to come Hillio.
So I've been watching a lot of horror movies lately,
and I have to say this, I felt like a
found footage horror movie. Like literally, I was tense. Wasn't
he a former marine? Like, isn't he know it was

(35:19):
bullying Eric? I think the former marine Alex Alex, which
Chad was a marine, I don't think so, was he
s he was a luxury home. Wait, I am seeing
that he served in the Marines. Thank you, thank you.
That makes me feel different from you know, getting in

(35:41):
the face of m Alex, because I was like, dude,
who would get in the face of I don't know
because I remember that because because we've done this podcast
for so long, we've been deep in on each season
and so it was back and I remember when he
started getting scary, thinking, this guy's actually like a big marine,
Like it's shocking to me that he never threw that
in Alex's face. I think I think it was actually

(36:04):
I think in the edited down, I think I think
it was in the season. I think that they just
edited it down. You were staying up top before we
started recording that you thought it was edited in a
strange way, deb I did. I thought, um that this
season again, um, now a lot of it is my
bias towards Jordan's. Like I was in I was like

(36:25):
in the real season, I was like Jordan's from the
get go, and there's a lot of controversy around him.
Friends of mine were like, he's in it for the
wrong reasons, and I was like stuck with him from
the beginning and was like, that's that's her guy. But
I also felt like, now this might be unpopular, particularly
with you Arden that um I thought we got. I mean,

(36:46):
Chad was really fun throughout the real season, like as
like your Chad moments, but it was too much Chad
for me. Last night. I think they did three segments
on him, which was a little too much. A little
too much Chad. I mean, I think I think so
much of people's chit chat dating is it seems like

(37:06):
watching all these they give the villains a lot of
air time, because I think watching people fall in love
is often kind of just hey, you look nice, Like
I think in the soundbites. It's not it's not that
it's like sorry. We also didn't get to meet Jo's
fine parents, you know, like we didn't get and her
brother and her brother so like I feel like, um,

(37:29):
while you don't want to just see it like I
love you moments like there was some flavor missing from
the season. I can agree with that. I could have
done with one segment less of Chad. I'll tell you
here's a few more chat things. Here's a toast he
gives to a beautiful girl, a beautiful life. Fuck you, guys,
I'm gonna make her my wife. And then he called
her naggye. He was he goes, meat on his stick

(37:50):
is delicious. He here are some of fur of it.
He was like, it's like the care bears surrounding you.
Um like he called them west Side story. UM. I
love that he was pounding a yam in person talking.
This was the greatest interaction I've ever seen. Daniel was
talking to him. He was like, you know, you're kind

(38:10):
of out of control, right, You're like this little animal.
Let's just pretend you're Hitler. And he goes, let's not
pretend I'm Hitler. And he says just being not so
mucially Hitler, just maybe trying to be more like Mussolini.
The greatest interaction ever. And then he went on a
two on one day in the woods of Pennsylvania with Alex.
The marine who took down said Alex was not afraid

(38:31):
of him the whole time. Alex really thrived in this thing.
And I remember, I remember they're like face off in
the woods. And then he said, life's not all blueberries
and paper airplanes. And then he said, come down, man,
have a glass of milk. And he says, I don't
like milk, and he said, you should like milk most delicious.
So many good one liners. I didn't need to see
all of them, but there were so many. There you go, Jacob, Yeah,

(38:55):
having just seen this last night, I did enjoy all
those onliners. And again it just Chad. He just was
so scary. And then yeah, on the camping trip, they
all had to sit so close to each other on
that rock. That made me nervous. For Joe would be
right there. I felt, Yeah, I felt very nervous. He
was just stocky. He was just walking around that cup

(39:18):
and his shirt off. He actually looked like a wolverine
wolf and he said the phrase, I want to cut
everyone hears eyes off and arms off, and there's just
gonna I'm sorry, I'm gonna put off everyone's here, legs
off and arms off, and they're just gonna be torsos.
I'm gonna throw him in the pool. I mean, that's
fucking scary. And they also had Evan at the Atwater

(39:40):
Theater talks about the dangers of using steroid and then
he ripped his shirt, he attacked him, he got bloody
knuckles and uh, he was just really and then he
said to Alex, I'm just disappointed. It's just unfortunate. I
can't hurt you right now without getting in trouble, like
he's scary deab So a couple of things. Number One,

(40:02):
the scene in the theater with Evan is like classic
We'll go down, I think in Bachelor lore. That was
so good. And I was surprised that Evan wasn't more
uh seriously injured by Chad that evening. Um but because
because Evan was definitely poking the bear that night. There

(40:22):
was never an ounce of chemistry between Joe, Joe and Chad.
It was true. It was a true producers like this
guy is staying, you know, like as long as long
as we can keep them around. But um, but I
do want to point out one thing the tattle tales,
which I'm sorry Alex, is the tattle tale in this scenario,

(40:44):
they never get rewarded. Never get rewarded, Alex, I know.
I just want to say. Also, I really didn't like
him telling Chad that he was being like a lurky creep.
I was like, what are you doing? Like he's he's
also so competing for this girl's attention, he's allowed to
pull her aside. It doesn't make him a lurking creep,

(41:05):
Like you're all doing the same thing. Like maybe I
forget the context of why he said that, but I
was like, you're asking for him too, like react a
certain way. I remember the lurking creator. I think it
was in the context of they were all waiting in
the house and she was walking up to the up

(41:25):
to enter the house, and like Chot somehow for her
outside and like stopped her and like to give her
a kiss, and then she entered, and then they're like, dude,
what are you doing. I don't know. It was well
before we go to break, I'm gonna end with something
that somebody sent us, which was incredible. So apparently Chad
is doing poorn now. And he posted, uh, he posted

(41:49):
I think maybe yesterday. Um he posted in Manhattan Beach.
So he threatened Jordan's He says, I'm gonna come after
the show. I'm gonna come find you. I'm gonna come
find you. And there's a picture of him in this
insanean long appears to be like a white hummer that
says real Chad Johnson dot com and the and the
quote is I hate to I hate to support somebody

(42:11):
that's so crazy. But it's funny you're amplifying him. I
know I am right. So this is what he wrote.
I always told Jordan and I'd find him. I never
said what I do when I found him, but my
team found him. So I went to his house and
I fucked right in front of it. For only fans. Now,
every time Jordan and Jojo step foot inside their house,

(42:31):
they'll think of me. Every time you check the mail,
you think of me. Every time you want the dog,
you think of me. My dick has tainted your domicile.
Revenge is the best. Revenge is a dish best served
with my dick. Check out the full video and then
they show him climbing into his car about to have

(42:54):
sex right in front of their house. It's so I
know I shouldn't find it funny and it's crazy, but
it's so funny to me said just a dish best
serve with my dick extremes. It's crazy. It's funny line,
but maybe not that a whole pair of app along

(43:14):
with it. And then at the end he says, e'ure rope.
You're up next, Chris Harrison, Yeah, you're up next, Yes Harrison.
There was also a thing that Laurie that he tweeted
at um Chase to tweeted out like nothing ever bothers
me man, and he was like, Okay, how do you
feel if I'm fucking in front of your house? Please
send me your home address. Thank you, And I'm like,

(43:35):
I thought he was kidding. And then it's like, oh no,
he's got this car that he bones in in front
of people's houses. Dad. Jordan and Jojo though do not
live here, but maybe they but they flip houses and
maybe they rented a house. Okay, interesting because they're they're
they're down south, they're in Dallas. Gods, I followed them

(43:56):
both on Instagram. Okay, no, I no, I get it,
all right, We're gonna take a break. We'll be right back.
The eagle is landed. We're back. So we're back. And

(44:16):
they do a funeral for Chad with protein powder ashes um,
and they have we see Wills and Evan in real life.
They zoom with them. They're making cocktails. I thought it
was funny that Evan said, clearly I was the alpha
male in the house. I was a threat. I thought
he had a good sense of humor about himself, and
he thanked Chad that if Chad hadn't fought with him,

(44:37):
he wouldn't have gotten so much airtime and gone and
met Carly. So I felt like he handled that well. Anna, Katie,
what did you think of that? Yeah? I think, I mean,
I'm I'm glad he has a sense of humor about
himself because I found him so annoying during the season. Uh.
He's come a long way though, So good for him.
His babies were so cute. Oh, they were so cute

(44:58):
when they're like Chris harrass That was cute. Anna. Did
you did you like him? Did you like Evan on Paradise?
So not really, He's kind of whiny. I thought it
was really whiny on The Bachelor, But Paradise he kind
of won me over when he faked an injury to
go to the hospital. But I actually was so happy

(45:18):
for him, Like I was so happy for him when
he got the girl. Okay, so then we meet Robbie
the Falcon and she dares him to stripped down to
his underwear and run through the house. I love me
some Jojo. That's not that funny of a dare. This
isn't okay dare. But it's the same day that Caitlin
did with Sean, but Sean is naked. Robbie. I mean

(45:39):
I've been waiting to kind of get her Robbie. Um,
first of all, because this is going to probably reveal
something about me that I probably don't want out there.
But I watched the MTV show CS t Key, which
Robbie he's on and also is now off of it. Actually,

(45:59):
you can't even keep like the young twenty some year
old girl. Um, but Robbie just clearly is in search
of that fifteen minutes just keep it going. They actually
called him an aspiring social media participant. Can you Anna?
Can you look up? How many can you Wikipedia Robbie,

(46:20):
and just tell us how many reality shows he's been
on at this point. Was he on vander Pump Rules, Yeah,
he was, and he was also on Paradise twice, and
he's been on CSKE. Jacob I we were talking, Jacob
felt sorry for him. I was like, I feel sorry
for Robbie. Oh, don't feel sorry for Robbie. And by
the way, just another note, if if your last stop

(46:41):
on your reality tourist, he has to key like you're slumming,
you know, so you like they've gone through the Yeah,
it's that's not a good look. Okay, so we're not
fully at We're not fully at the Falcon yet, we're
at Derek. Derek, who I have had drinks with in
New York this year. He seems nice. He was so nice,
he was so sweet on the show. I just really

(47:03):
felt for Derek. He's like, and again this is our
first intro to Derek. It's before I feel like Derek
has had a nice run on this he's had he
would be a good bachelor. Um, he was a nerd.
He's like, you know, um, I'm falling for this woman.
And then he got taken out by a two on
one with Chase and he tells her he's the most
amazing woman I've ever met. I'm absolutely falling for you.

(47:24):
And I felt so the the edit between Don't Cry
for Me Argentina and him meeping in the car saying
Derek I wasn't enough. I thought I was, I'm Derek,
Derek isn't perfect, and then him crying and like screaming
at himself about not like not crying at It was
just it was truly the most brutal edit. Jacob, Yeah, genius.

(47:49):
I was like, wow, all right, here we go, Like
this is like they're now taking it to the next level.
And Derek was amazing. Derek, why are you crying? So
edited him screaming at himself about crying with the dot
cry And I love seeing him present day. He looked
so handsome. I thought his beard looked great. I love
that his friends on his birthday playing Don't Cry from

(48:10):
the Argentina. That's the kind of friends that you want,
deb What did you think? I actually was watching it
and I could not believe. I was like, how do
I not remember this from the original. I mean, it
was such a magical moments. I only had a vague
memory because I remember because of the podcast. I remember
referring to the edit in the podcast at some point

(48:32):
in time. There was actually a moment coming up that
I had a visceral reaction last night too that I
had a memory because of the podcast about what wish
we'll get to. There was a visual cue that Anna
and Katie got a text from me about that because
of what it made me laugh was the podcast thinking
about discussing this. Um, but yes, that was an amazing edit. Derek,

(48:55):
I met him in real life. He's so sweet. Um,
you know, it was heartbreaking this guy. He's this nice,
real guy who still has a banking job. He's like
a stockbroker. He lives in New York, and like he's
almost too sweet for this franchise. Dad also too, Can

(49:16):
we just like give a moment to I just thought
throughout and I remember thinking this in real time during
the show. Like jo Jo was serving the looks in
the season, they was so good, Like she was like ready,
she was like I'm going to be the bachelor. At
became like stylist herself, Like her rings were on point.

(49:36):
That little white dress that I think she broke up
with Derekin was so cute. She like her hair and
makeup was on point. She was ready. She was so
on point and on every kind of activity and whatnot.
I loved it, even her whole like camping outfit or
little boots and her little jeans. I mean, she looks
so cute and closed too. She's got the best proportions.

(49:59):
She really had it down. Oh yeah, okay, so then
we have. But it's interesting in some ways that the
most popular guys of these franchise are not the alpha guys.
You know, we've got Wells, we've got Evan, we've got Derek.
It's not the guys that are like the hunky meat heads.
It is the actual sweetie pies that the country falls
for dead. Because it goes back to what I'm saying.

(50:21):
The meat heads are always looks like you know, do
you think, oh, the meat heads are gonna like win
or the guy girls just looking for, like the guy
with like the body. That's not the case. Uh, you know,
women are looking for more like a man of substance. Jacob,
what did you think? What did you think of Derek? Um?

(50:41):
That's where I started again, having never watched the show.
I was like, this is brutal like and then seeing
the success of how at least, I mean, it seemed
authentic to me, like these guys hearts were just getting
not that I was that's sad for them, but it
felt like kind of like this brutal process. But I

(51:04):
will say because of Paradise, America really wraps its arms
around it. So if you get if you don't win,
but you get gooded on the show, we'll get laid
for the rest of your life. And you don't even
have to be the hot one America if people think
you're in some ways, if you're the underdog who gets gutted,

(51:25):
you will literally get laid forever. Anna, would you? I mean,
like we met James Taylor who was like felt unlovable
right after he'd been cut, and like, I think every
woman was the only one that was like, oh this
poor guy, you're a cutie pie. I see you, And like,
I actually think it works for the underdogs. Anna, would
you agree? Yeah? I think they All you have to

(51:47):
do is like show up and every girl's like you
find at least one subgroup of girls who's like, oh
my god, who's that. If you cry on TV and
say that you're not lovable, you will get l forever.
We should all send Jerry and make Jerry what I
told my wife, It's what I told my wife. What

(52:10):
you proposed. Yea, it's like she's like, I'll marry you.
But it is almost like once like Paradise and all
the different kind of spinoff started, like you almost unless
you're the guy who's going home with the you know,
the winner. Yeah, you want to get off at it.
You want like a spectacular exit. You want gonna be

(52:31):
like on the on the plane to Porta Viarda. You know,
you want to be good at saying that no one
will ever love you because you're so broken and something's
wrong with you, so that all the pretty cast offs
from the Bachelor will come and be like I'll comfort
you in a bikini. Like for sure, you want to
be the more good and you are the better chance

(52:51):
you have of going to Mexico and like it's and
you don't have to go back to your real job.
You can become an influencer and the old the old
double endered. Though if it's the girl crying saying you're unlovable,
it's like the sad, pathetic accent the guy. If you're
the girl, I think they do love a female empowerment moment.

(53:11):
So they love you crying but going. You know what, No,
I will not let you talk. No, I used to
let guy. My dad left and I will never feel
this way from a man again. So if you can
have a female empowerment, teary moment that can get you
to Mexico, I am deserving of love. You know what.

(53:32):
I am deserving of love, and I know I'm going
to find it. Yeah, there we go. Okay, So then
I wish I could like clone and send a younger
version of myself, Like put her through the machine, Just
put her through back, get the nude flipper teeth and
like glue on lashes, just get the right stylists, and
like put her through the mansion and just suit see,

(53:56):
just see. Okay. So then we have Luke, Luke who
we all fell for. We all fell for Luke. He
was a marine. I gotta tell you. Some stuff came
out about Luke afterwards, and I feel like we all
knew it. In my mind, I'm like, why are they
why are they showing Luke deab you had your hand up.
I think I never felt for Luke, but if he

(54:19):
gave me, he gave me the heating gds everything, like
definitely had dead crazy eyes, dead crazy eyes. Um. He
was like, you know, and when she tries I'm a
country boy, I thought I was a piece of ship.
That's right something. But then I remember being so afraid
she was going to pick him. At one point he

(54:40):
was like, I was like, Luke is like, you know,
she likes seeing him chopped wood into that woodpowered hot
tub in Philadelphia somewhere. And then they got She's like,
you know, we got out of her comfort zone. I'm
falling in love. And they and then he put the
candles in the field of the heart shaped path and um,
you know, and put my heart as yours, all of it,

(55:02):
you can have all of it. And then when she
cut him, she was like, I don't know how to
say goodbye to you. And he wouldn't let her do it,
and he was like, I had no clue. I wasn't
saying enough. I was in love with her, but I've
never got the chance to love her. I was in
love with her, but I never got a chance to
love her. Meeting I didn't get to have sex with her.
I didn't I got caught right before Fantasy Suite and

(55:25):
Jacob you wanted to say something. Yeah, no, I mean
again I was. I agree. At first, I was like,
oh this guy, I love your quiet confidence. Where do
you get it for none? He is scary. He is scary.
But then he brought her to his parents on the
farm and he did all this stuff, and then I
was like, I was again got it. I was like,

(55:45):
are you kidding me? Him? Well I did at the
end because I also related my wife is on a
farm and with her parents. No, no, it was so cute.
The farm day was so cute. He gave a really
cute little red cowgirl ankle boots that Paget Brewster said
me a pair because I wanted a pair. We loved
him from that, but then we found out he thought
he was going to be the bachelor and he started

(56:06):
telling he started sliding into the d m s of
all these girls and being like I'll pick you, like
trying to get right and what was the deal with that? Yeah,
he he just was like being telling a bunch of
girls like, hey, sign up so you can get on
and and then I'll pick you. Like he was just
playing a bunch of women at once. And then later
on he went on um, he went on what was

(56:29):
it called Winter Games, but apparently he had a girlfriend
the whole time, but then he he still hooked up
with the Russian lady and then apparently ghosted her after
the show, and in the reunion or whatever the after
um show, they like brought them both on and she's
trying to question him, like what happened? What like what's

(56:50):
going on? And he wouldn't even look at her, but
he wouldn't even acknowledge her. And then they showed the
footage of a commercial where she's trying to be like, dude,
what the fuck and he still is acting like he
doesn't see her, and they're sitting right next to each other.
They like showed his ass at the commercial, acting like
a sociopath, like like looking off like I can't hear you,

(57:12):
and it's really really terrifying and just like really shows
that he's just like this weird, vapid person, Jacob, I
hear you. I just can you imagine? I just couldn't
have involved the family. They do that with hometowns. You
do hometown like they go to four people's families. It's
part of the games. But you know, if you make

(57:33):
it to the families, that's good. That means you're either
going to become the bachelor, You're gonna win, You're going
to paradise like you're if you made it that far.
That makes people fall for you because they've met your family.
Either you have a heartbreaking family, maybe you have a
dead parent, perhaps perhaps somebody's means you, perhaps you have
a brother or a sister that's terrible to the person,

(57:55):
Like the America really comes around you with either a
great family or a fucked up family. Deb And and
this is why I missed. I really thought they were
remissed and not showing some of the hometowns in this
number one. Um because um, a part of the intrigue
with Jordan's was the fact that he was Aaron Rodgers
brother and they do speak, they don't and they don't speak,

(58:17):
And it was like a whole thing about what were
we going to discover when we got to the Rogers,
who was very late in this edit, Like last week
when we were having Caitlin Sean was early on in
the edit. This was very late in the edit. Yeah,
and so there's so much intrigue with Aaron and then
and then actually you meet the family and they're all
really close and lovely and you realize, oh, I think

(58:38):
the problems with Aaron number one, So that was an
interesting thing that wasn't included. And then Joejoe's parents, because
then they all go to the Bachelor a bachelorette and
her parents are They were not here on ben higen'ssi
and though, but they gave crazier on Ben Haigen's season
when when her brothers kissed her on the mouth and
her mom was pounding the champago straight from the bottle

(59:02):
and said, she has a pants, she needs to be
treated like a queen. Goes from like this wealthy, like
Texan family and they are yeah really, because yeah, the
only glimpse I got of him was at the end,
and I was like, her dad seems very odd and
drink chain right from the bottle. Mom's like, I could
clearly she sees this glamorous amazing. You should watch meeting

(59:27):
JoJo's parents And what are we saying? Oh no, I
just saying she has a Persian mom who is like
everyone every single one of my aunt's just like drunk
and has like a lot of plastic surgery. I loved it.
Ben Higgins could not handle that family and the brothers
and the cow next Sweaters who mouth kissed their sister

(59:48):
upon arrival and didn't look at Ben Higgins. So then
we have um So, then we cut Luke, and then
we have Chase. We meet Chase and it was cute
at first he gave her mittens. I thought that was
really cute. He said, of sort of fakes. No, I
liked that at the mansion. Um he comes from a
divorced family, saying the word love is scary. He's really
really mess I feel like the dad cheated or something.

(01:00:09):
He and his sister like, No, it's especially hard for us,
like something went down. Trust has been broken. You don't
show love, it's not safe. You don't say you love somebody.
It's a big deal for us. Ship went down. Poor mom,
Like something happened with dad. And here's this sort of
big honky tantric guy. And he says, I am I

(01:00:33):
was falling in love with you. There at the fantasy suites,
they're about to go get it on. They're both clearly
have chemistry. He's a good looking guy. They did the
yoga date right out. He's a nice person. Katie doesn't
like him, but that's okay. Um So they're like they
seem like they fit. Um, He's like, I was falling
in love with you, but now I am one, Jacob.

(01:00:53):
We need to know that there's a lot of there's
a lot of like technicalities. Falling in love is not
saying that you're in love. That doesn't out that this
is it all right? Like I'm like, I don't know
why I get Yeah, this is a high Falling in
love is a high five. That's not in love. You're falling.
I think I could fall in love with you. I
think I can fall I think so this wasn't him

(01:01:16):
taking a big risk. He goes, I was falling in
love with you, but now I am in love with you.
And her face when he said that was like it
was as if he just like ripped one and for
she he was like, and he goes, I'm ready to
carry that burden, and she goes, thank you for telling
me that. He goes, it was scary, but it was

(01:01:39):
worth it. She was I'm crazy about Chase, but I
wasn't the way that I thought I would feel. When
he said it, Um, I don't want to spend the night.
And then he was just like, okay, man, I'm jumping
over a hurdle. That's my biggest hurdle. And now I'm shattered.
What do you want me to say? Love equals get
the funk out? And then he starts crying and he's like,

(01:02:00):
that sucked. It's like you pull down your pants. You
just get kicked in the nuts. I should never have
said I love you? Why did I say I love you?
That was brutal. Deb I was gonna Jacob because he's
been so guided. I felt so badly for him. Why

(01:02:20):
did she say it? It was unreal? I felt so bad,
But then when you repeated it, there was also something like, dude, wait,
just because you said I love you doesn't mean get
the funk out. Like then I started saying, are you're
a little You're definitely triggered with this word. So yeah,
there's definitely some damage and imber. But I do remember

(01:02:41):
she had she really needed him to say it. She'd
been asking for him to say it, I remember, and
he wouldn't say it. So he finally says it, she's
like nothing, yeah, and that it made at least again
from my watch, from my perspective, she just successively seemed
to be just just horrible, just like you because that's
how they all are. That's how they all are. They

(01:03:02):
all need to hear it, they need to get it out,
and then once they've collected the I love you, then
you're out. What's funny Also with the phrasing, I personally
never even I don't think i've used that been so
human human, right, You're not like I think I might
be falling in love with you. I've never told that

(01:03:22):
to someone. Nobody has, nobody has. It's not amazing if
all these little levels of Yeah, for sure, absolutely, I
do love some of the people when when you're kind
of rooting for him, where you feel so bad for them,
but then like they get they're getting the boot, and
they just switched, like they flip on a switch, and

(01:03:44):
and then you're like, oh my god, like you dodged
the bullock are all like you know, so I think
Chase was one of them. I think Kate, we should
have all trusted Katie's instincts from the beginning. Oh for sure, yes,
Katie take the floor. Well, okay, to be on, I
was trying to remember if I really feel like I
didn't like him. I feel like I thought he was

(01:04:04):
kind of boring, but maybe I didn't I don't like
him now, No, I know, I know you don't like him,
So like I was like, is that interfering with how
I felt? Yea then, but watching it back, I was
still just like not impressed. And I was like, I
remember he was very handsome, but a little square for
me like that he would not He was a very

(01:04:26):
cute guy. He was physically a cute guy, but that
um that I probably wouldn't have much just and didn't
he like the whole time keep bringing up his parents
divorce and acting like he was the only person whose
parents have ever gone into There was a lot of
drama with that. Yeah, I remember that. I remember us
being like, dude, like, a lot of people's parents get
to and a lot of people have quirky family. Like

(01:04:51):
everybody I love, for the most part, has some quirk
and their family. Okay, that's that's normal. And then he
kept doing that that thing where he kept saying all
lives matter, and I was like, God, this guy is
the worst, not literally, but he did date Tommy Lauren
after this, So she's like the right wing um, she's

(01:05:13):
a commentator on Fox News. She's like a racist piece. Yeah,
he dated Tommy I think he does, like literally tweet
all lives Yeah, he tweets all lives matter stuff all
the time. He's a Trump supporter. He's just it's like
to be honest. I think Jojo had a lot of
bad apples in her down to wells and now that

(01:05:39):
I'm hearing all this bad yeah she actually this was
a mine field and a really maneuver around some pretty
dicey personality clearly. So then we're gonna take a break
and close it out, Batchel of Villain and it's all

(01:06:00):
the money. The grandfollowers, all right, here we go. We're back.
We're closing it out. We're down to the final two.
The Falcon and Capri Pants. Fun fact, Jordan Rodgers allegedly
quit football in Canada to be in the Las Vegas

(01:06:21):
production of Damn Yankees. I don't know if that's true
or not, but that's a fun fact. So the Falcon
says that he's ecstatic. He took out the sea. He's
ecstatic about his relationship with Jojo. He I remember this.
He was the first to say I love you. He
said it's so fast, which for me is a real
red flag. Deb That is a bully, that's a bullshit

(01:06:43):
alert right there, you know. I mean, he didn't even
put falling or I think I love you. It was
straight up. I know, it was very It was way
too quick. And he goes it's a country club and
coloring books. He's ready to propose. And I gotta tell
you the thing that Amy laugh so hard was last
night when the car door opened and the like it

(01:07:07):
was like two elf shoes came out of the and
they like and they were like a perfect ballet like
third position. It was like two elf shoes. And look
at the video. I just sent it to you, guys.
I just sent it to you and we made like
I just couldn't. I'd forgotten all about those elf shoes.
But when it was like the worst shoes of all time. Um,

(01:07:28):
and then Anna made a flyer about it that made
me laugh so hard. Um yeah, well you can watch
there we go, oh yeah, m for it. There's no
better moment in any of the Bachelor's than when that

(01:07:49):
limo pulls up and you see the feet get out
and you don't know and you're trying to figure out
whose feet. Now, I would say on this one, this
the suspense was immediately gone because you knew that that
was Robbie wearing those shoes. I mean, Jacob, did you
notice those shoes? And oh no, it's funny. Again. I
knew who was going to end up, but it was

(01:08:09):
just when I saw that, I was like, Okay, it's
done for that. First it's done. It's like, what happened?
Then this elf? Now that's Italian expensive? The socks didn't
work either? What if? What if? Actually that was like
who she was gonna go with? And then she looks

(01:08:29):
down and it's like, just forget about a hand. It
was an incredible visual moment. I mean, the cam, the
pan up, it was so good. That was great. Yeah,
those are always my favorite. It's like, you know, I'm
always at that point just like so in somebody who
on someone's team, and I was like yeah, yeah. And

(01:08:51):
that's where I spen like disappointing the last two years
where I feel like we've been robbed of a rose ceremony.
During we didn't get wondering Colton season, we didn't like
I felt like even we didn't really get a good
one during Peter's season that like, and even the r
E thing, like we it was all just we knew
it went awry. All of it. Deb so funny thing

(01:09:15):
to kind of recount off of watching Jordan's on Instagram
live and he was saying that he was so nervous
when he walked up because he's trying to gauge JoJo's face,
you know, and and he's like hey or whatever, and
she apparently was like like very like he literally was
like game over. I'm not like her reaction. He thought

(01:09:36):
he was like done. I was shocked at how gutted
she was to let go of Robbie, like the fact
that Robbie was the number two, that that she couldn't
matter how she going to let go of Robbie, like
like knowing I never was team Robbie and then I
wasn't team Jordan either. I wasn't into either of them.
I liked well so, but like to know, to know,

(01:10:00):
Robbie is the one that you can't see your life
without deb Robbie had a lot of people snowed though,
like he definitely did them. We didn't know everything we
know about him now, and so there were people and
because even when he went to Paradise and he ended
up with that nice girl and Amanda the mom, and
and she was you know, like, so nobody knew yet

(01:10:21):
the full like deal with Robbie, although they didn't show
it on this recap, but didn't Robbie Wasn't there a girl,
an ex girlfriend who came back in the final days
and wrote Jojoe a letter or am I thinking of
totally something that was Jojo got a letter from her
ex boyfriend. When Nick came to her home or when
Ben went to her hometown, there was a letter. So

(01:10:45):
then he says, I want to spend the rest of
my life with you, and she said, that's what Ben said,
How do you know? How do I know? This is
when I picture getting down on one knee, it's with you. Um.
And he did a lot of wall kisses throughout the season.
I remember that was his big And that's very popular, Jacob.
If you ever time travel and send a young clone,
this young sele clone of yourself, you want to be popular,

(01:11:09):
do some wall kisses and then you get cut say
you're not lovable. Oh I noticed that. Yeah, they're pinning
a woman and a very popular move. They love that. Um.
And then she was like, I'm falling in love with
more than one person, So she definitely she was like
really gutted to like go to the falcon and then

(01:11:29):
um well also just to they really set that up
well at least again from from my perspective having not
seen the season in total, is that he was just like,
it's happening. I'm marrying her. He'd already we're moving here.
It was just like, I'm gonna keep you safe. I'm
gonna take care of Robbie. Hold on, I can't let

(01:11:51):
you get down on win me. I don't want to
take that moment from you for me, Like I was like,
I should not be watching this, like this seems like
he needs. Do they have an onset psychiatrists to deliver
med's immediately and pump them in this man's body? Because
I have a question for you Bachelor experts, which is
do you have do we have any idea? Like is

(01:12:12):
it written in their contract? Like you have to let
them take it to ex point? And I think it is.
I think they have to get out some of I
think they are forced to make people pour their guts
out as long as they can handle it with a
neutral face, only that they're not going to say yes.
I think literally until you cannot take it anymore, and

(01:12:34):
then you're like, hold on, don't take the knee, don't Yeah,
they take the knee, and then she goes. I woke
up wanting it to be you. But my heart is
I don't know how to do this. I'm so sorry.
I don't know how to do this. And then he's
in the car. He pulls out the handkerchief, weeping and
she and she goes, he deserves to know how to
change me. My my heart is broken. I'm really confused. Um.

(01:12:58):
She wouldn't let me get down on one knee right now?
She said she loved me, did she? I don't remember that.
Only she goes, But you know what, I'm crazy in
love with Jordan. I'm ready. I'm so ready. I can't
wait to tell Jordan how I feel. I loved Jordan's
so much. Um and um, and then she said, I'm
in love with you. This is the best day of
my life. I'm I'm in love with you and um.

(01:13:22):
I felt when she asked them today her advice for
Claire even though I loved me, so georgo and I'm
team Jojo, I felt it was a little at a
gal over the age of thirty five, I felt a
little bit that she was Thordy Shas when she says,
I was young when I was a bachelor, so it'll
be good. And now I'm twenty nine or like thirty one,
but I was young, so it'll be fun to have

(01:13:43):
her perspective because she's like thirty nine. I felt for
Claire in that moment of somebody saying to me, well,
meaning I was young. She's not a young person, but
she's getting dad, what did you think? I know what
you're saying, but I'll say I saw someone who is
you know, is beyond Claire's age. I think she was

(01:14:06):
totally mean. Well, I've been engaged. She's been engaged to
Jordan for like four years, so I think that's part
of what plays into that answer, like wow, but she
was still she did say the phrase I was young,
so it'll be fun to have Claire. I just I
just loved the nothing like concept of like what's old
in that university. It's just like so good, it's so good. Yeah, yeah, Jacob,

(01:14:30):
what were you going to say? Well, when first of
all I was gonna her pivot from uh Robbie to
Jordan was was great in terms of I don't know,
I just felt it like, Okay, time to get married
now to Jordan, she really did a good job to
shake that off. And and then also, like you said,

(01:14:51):
like she said, she's completely changed. That's with Jordan's after
four years, she's now totally different. They been very open
that they had a hard year the first year the rights,
and I mean now they actually know each other dead.
The coolest thing I think about them, um is the

(01:15:15):
fact that Jordan's actually, like a year or so ago,
like reproposed to her, he bought a new ring and
he like did like a whole new wondering because the
ring looked different than the ring that she was wearing.
I was like, what, that's like a guy right there.
He's like, I'm not going to give you the free
be the free be ring. I'm gonna give you like
another He's like, I meant the first proposal, but I

(01:15:37):
want to do one without cameras because I actually liked
her new ring better. I was trying, was like, that's
not the ring. Listen, listen, my man. He's a good
he's you know SEC football, he's he's making a nice living,
so he he can do it all right, Great, what
does he do for SEC football? He's one of the announcers. Okay, great.

(01:15:59):
I don't know what SEC football is, but that's it's
just it's college football. It's one of the big legs
and so he I think it's with ESPN. I think
for them. Yeah. Um. I also enjoyed seeing Matt James
is the new Bachelor Boys. He had some holy smokes.
Holy Katie, what did you think of Matt James. He
seems like he's going to be really fun and I

(01:16:20):
love him and Tyler together, Like you can tell he's
a good guy just by the way that they interact,
because they're so cute together. And you could tell because
Tyler's mom died suddenly, like this winter, and you could
see that, like he's a little heavy hearted, but he's
got his pals around, like he's such a good guy,
and like you could tell that they were friends. Like
I really like, I thought Matt James could not be

(01:16:42):
more handsome. And I'm glad we have like a fresh
somebody outside of the franchise, Jacob, I think of The Bachelor,
that seems great. I mean, but the show has um
other people than white people. Yeah, for sure. I mean overall,
did you enjoy the Bachelorette? Yes, I totally did. What

(01:17:05):
do you what do you? Guys typically prefer Bachelor or Bachelor.
I like the Bachelor because I like watching the bromances.
What do you like? I think that's where at I
tend to. I think my two favorite seasons I haven't.
I probably watched about half of all the seasons. I
like Caitlin and Jojo. They were my favorite. Here's my
one bone to pick as well with this format. Tell

(01:17:27):
me if you think this is it, this is fair. Actually, Trista,
who I don't love, but look Trista and Ryan, she's
the o G kind of like the first couple that
ended up together. We kind of forget about Alex Michael
and she was next. Uh she's having to split the
recap with Alex Michael next week. And I think Trista

(01:17:50):
and Ryan, out of anyone, should have actually have I know,
I think I think they think no one cares, this
is so long ago. I think they're like and they
were shorter seasons. I think they just thought, oh, nobody cares,
let's just make it like it's so long ago. Let's
just get it over with. That's how I feel. Yeah,
I did, I disagree with that. Um, you guys, you

(01:18:11):
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(01:18:31):
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this wrong Hushka song. The subject line is my cat
hates your podcast. Hi Ardentana, Katie and guests. I really
love your podcast. I've been listening since our season. I've
continued listening even though I only even though I stopped
watching the show after Colton, your podcast has been one
of the only things that can keep me focused and

(01:18:52):
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work from home life, because I can't scroll through Twitter
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(01:19:13):
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Then the podcast ended and she literally a second later
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expect another one star Hyena voice review from my cat soon.
She's that bitch. Thanks for the last story these trying times.

(01:19:33):
It means so much, Katie. That is amazing that this
cat hates my voice. Katy and Anna, do you enjoy
that fact? That is wild? What is it that the
cat is hearing that is like setting them off? I
would imagine it's the pitch of my voice, but your voice. No, no,

(01:19:54):
But it's a specific tone and if it's like a
new thing coming through a speaker phone. I just love that.
I just love that. It's like the worst thing that
ever happened to Mona, Like Mona cannot handle it. Um,
we got another email. UM. The subject line is Olivia
from Sarah w It's about Olivia's podcast. It's all really

(01:20:16):
and we talked last week about it. It's all reality
TV show guests. It's nothing to do with people with
who are only villain ol That's too bad. She tries
to reach out to villains, but she's also interviewed plenty
of other people from the show, plus other reality TV shows.
It's a good listen, all right, I'll check it out.
I did enjoy Olivia. I love the pod that it
would be nice if you could do at least a
little research on people instead of giving false info. It

(01:20:38):
would also be helpful to remember that so much of
the show is edited and produced. Even Laurie, you're supposed expert,
doesn't always know what she's talking about. UM, I'm gonna
stop you right there. You can come after me, but
you cannot come after Laurie. She tried to say previously
that Olivia was dating someone from South Africa. She wasn't.
That was her best friend and they took a trip
to South Africa. Laurie also said Renee from Shawn season

(01:21:01):
dated Chris Harrison. Renee said they didn't date, had a
couple of drinks, much like what normal friends would do.
Laurie needs to stop assuming everything she reads from US
Weekly is accurate. Maybe this isn't the podcast for you? Sarah? Uh,
Katie Anna thoughts Yeah, I mean this is not something
to worry about. In my opinion. We are a comedy podcast. Uh,

(01:21:24):
facts about a reality show. Um, you know what, they
don't matter. A podcasts out there that have probably very
accurate I don't quite honestly have the time to look
up lots of facts. No one is doing. This research
was on six years ago, so I don't know. It
sounds like maybe we're not your cup of tea, and

(01:21:45):
that's fine, that's fine. We can agree to disagree. Um,
I you know what, Laurie, Lauria is a busy life
and everybody sometimes gives some you know, none of what
we're saying here is we're not saying. This is the
sixty minutes of Yeah, should we just say right now?
We have zero facts, so please quote us and eat

(01:22:11):
clown hearsay. So I'm sure there's lots of more accurate ones,
probably from I would imagine you might enjoy one from
that's actually hosted by a former Bachelor contestant. We are
outsiders who are not the beautiful people who do not
We're outsiders in a garage for comedy. Outsiders in a garage. Um. Yes,

(01:22:35):
and by the way, our big source is US Weekly
because we don't really spoilers, so it US Weekly says
it for me. That's fine because this is my hobby.
All these things that we messed up are very or
things like that could easily be assumed that they were
dating or something. You know. It's not like we're just like, oh,
they're dating so and so, so maybe perhaps we're not.

(01:22:58):
That's fine. There's lots of the Bachelor podcasts out there. Um,
but we appreciate, uh, let's we appreciate you guys emailing us,
and we appreciate you guys reviewing us before we come.
Here's the name of the game on this podcast, Jacob
deb We do tweet of the week. All of our
fans email us in and we narrow it down to

(01:23:19):
uh two tweets that we think are the funniest, and
then we pick the tweet of the week. So I
will read you some top contenders. Kendra at Kendra Conda.
I'm here for one reason, love, says Robbie. But love,
I mean whatever reality TV show will take me. Bachelorette,
Bachelor in Paradise, Vanderpup Rules, cs T Keys, anyone else casting.

(01:23:39):
I will literally move anywhere there's a camera. Pretty I
get it. Um. By the way, I also like that
they used to call him in an aspiring social media participant.
That was his job, Um number two Brittalthon at Barette.
The producers all collectively came when they heard Dare whispered

(01:24:00):
to himself, don't cry, knowing how perfectly it would sink
with don't cry for me as a producer UM three
D Dorrito at three D Dorrito says, I've been sitting
through one and a half hours of Chad in order
to see one and a half seconds of Derek crying.

(01:24:25):
Lauren at Purple Underscore Hayes Chad is definitely that guy
who doesn't wear a mask to the gym. Um Jazz
at Thorium Underscore Dragon. It's important to remember that Daniel
jumped in the pool first night, while not remotely drunk,
truly one of the contestant greats. He really was a

(01:24:46):
great all right, I'm gonna narrow it down to I mean,
we all know what the winner is. I'm gonna narrow down.
Do we prefer the gym or Derek crying for the
second one? Derek crying okay, yeah, dark crying, Yeah, Okay,
So I'm gonna narrow it down to three D underscore, Dorito.

(01:25:07):
I've been sitting through one and a half hours of
Chad in order to see one and half seconds of
Derek crying or Britt Paulson at Beeri. The producers all
collectively came when they heard Derek whisper to himself, don't cry,
knowing how perfectly it would sink with don't cry for
me Argentina. I'm gonna go and don't cry for me Argentina. Jacob,

(01:25:30):
don't cry for me Argentina. That's where I'm going. Okay,
deb I gotta go with don't cry for me Argentina, Katie,
don't care from Argentina. Is it unanimous? Is it a sweep? Tanna? Yeah?
I think don't cry from the Argenta? All right, you're
the one. The producers all quectively came when they heard
Derek whisper don't cry to himself, knowing perfectly it would

(01:25:53):
stay what don't cry for me Argentina. Also, if you
enjoyed our podcast today with Jacob and Debb, you can
hear that on our Patreon breaking down Real Housewives of
New York and we also have really fun episodes about
Battelorette New Zealand. Send in your things for the giveaway,
your receipts for the book for that for little Miss
Little Compton to Rose Podcast at gmail dot com and

(01:26:14):
nominate yourself for your friend if you want to co
host the podcast with us when we get to Peter
Pilots goat episode Where Can People Find You? Jacob on
Instagram at Jacob at Jacob Mazzarro's to jas. Jacob does
a lot of fun djaying on there that you can

(01:26:34):
watch if he's fun to put on in the background.
He always he'll he'll go live and he has lots
lots of fun DJ. Never know, you never know, you
never know. You have to text me a Spotify playlist.
I'm so sick of my music, Dab. Where can people
find you? Nowhere? Because you're private and I like you.

(01:26:55):
I'm on Instagram add marine A r D and M
y r M. Please follow me because I've been losing followers.
I don't know why. Katie, I'm Katie Underscore Money on
Twitter and Instagram. Tanner, I'm at Anna hosting on Twitter
and you guys give us a nice review on we
didn't get. We got some new stars, but we didn't

(01:27:15):
get a new written reviews on iTunes and fake us Facebook,
bake us fake Facebook. We do like when you guys
review us, and we would love to read it, unless
you come after Laurie. All right, you guys, stay safe.
We're maths being nice to another big kind. Everybody's doing
the best they can. We'll see you next week. Bye.

(01:27:38):
Oh oh yeah, it all tonight, world, Who into your world?

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