"FINGERED IN THE WAVES!" W/ Miles Gray and Jerry Trainor

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Will You Accept This Rose? A production of
I Heart Radio. Oh wow, I've never been so horny
on a Tuesday. It's midday. I've just spent three hours
of the mechanic. I got my tires rog I guess

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the doughnut off my front start really working out for me?
Are so good? I'm crazy visit taking my temperature, looking
at my oxygen levels, washing my hands. Hello, and welcome
to Will You Accept This Rose? My name is Art Marine,
and I am coming to you from my garage in

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Los Angeles, California. That is, quite honestly not starting to
smell that good. I could not be more delighted that
it is not Monday night, and that it is not
a seventeen hour weird recap marathon with Chris Harrison and
his romata in like study with his disinterested son. But

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I am happy the upshot. If that is the price
that I have to pay to spend the afternoon with
these wonderful misfits, then so be it. Signed me up
with us. Today is a man who begrudgingly put on
his Rookie of the Year T shirt that I paid
a hundred and seventeen thousand dollars for during this pandemic

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that is made out of cactus, as he insists, and
it has his name on the back. You might know
him from I Carly, You might know him from Drake
and Josh. You definitely do not know him from the
show that we were on called Still the King, but
you probably have known him and loved him on this
podcast as our Rookie of the Year, ladies and gentlemen.

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Jerry Trainer. Yes, this shirt that you bought me that
says Rookie of the Year on the front and my
name Jerry on the back is made from pure hyena
for and porcupine quills. Yeah, worth every penny of that dollars.
And you said it's like a size. I ordered you

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a large, and and I really discussed like what size
to get for you, And this is like maternity large.
This is this is large for three humans. If you
wore that to a bar, many months would it take
you to get laid infinity months? Well, that is by

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the way, I'm really going to earn these Rookie of
the Year stripes tonight because, as you may or may
not remember, I've never seen The Bachelorette, and this, to
me was the best season of the Bachelorette. Ever, very interesting,
very interesting. Okay, this was a great season the Bachelrette
and with us we have a new rookie. There is
a rookie to be guided by the Rookie of the Year.

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If he's not careful, he might have a Rookie Rookie
of the Year cactus shirt coming his ray with his
name on the back. He spends his days normally not
in the pandemic, side by side with one Tanne hose Na.
He is a daily podcaster on The Daily Zite Guys,
also on I Heart Radio. He also has a sort

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of a similar sister podcast to us called The four
twenty Day Fiance. If you like Pott and you like
the ninety Day Fiance, you're going to enjoy this podcast.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the franchise both of The Bachelor,
the Bachelor at Bachelor in Paradise, but welcome to the
will you accept this Rose family? Miles Gray, What a journey,

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What a journey. I've come home now. It's an honor.
Thank you so much for having me. Well. I have
to say the only upshot of these tortuous, long, sort
of one off episodes is that we get to lure
people in who don't necessarily watch the franchise and just
basically bribe them, Will you come play with us? You
only need to watch one horrible long night. So, um

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and Katie, you're also here. Anna, here you are with Miles.
You guys do co host? Is? I know? Did you
dress up for him today? I did not, wearing the
same outfit from when we were recording together earlier. Yeah,
I just took off the hoodie I was wearing when
we were talking about a couple of hours ago. So
I didn't do much either. Although I am seeing a
new dimension of Anna's home through her zoom call seed.

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When I see her, she's producer and not on Mike
all the time. So I see the kitchen and now
I'm in her closet. It's my closet because all my
things that should be in my closet are out now. Yes, Jerry,
I was gonna say, there's a fifty fifty chance that's
either actually a keyboard or it's a keyboard necktie. I

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can't tell. No, it's it's a it's a very expensive
keyboard that shouldn't be up against the wall. Uh and
a ki. Yeah, we have we have multiple sizes, so
we have a tiny one on the desk and then
the big one hangs off to the side. I like
to think that Zach was going to wear a giant
wide whale key tar ties when they get sexy for

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like Valentine's Day, he puts on a gigantic, extremely wide
tie and nothing else. Yeah, she's doing it, She's doing it.
He comes out and he's like, are you ready? And
he puts like a little bow around his neck and
like a giant a little bow around it, like a
giant key tar tie on and then just things just

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like just naturally happened. Now, um Myles, will you please
is this? Have you ever watched The Bachelor? I you know,
it's like one of those things where I know it's
I know it's cultural relevance and the pop culture power
that it wields over people's consciousness. Um, I've seen like
things here and there isolated. Prior to working with Tanna,

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I will respect her name on this part of the
Earth and new to the podcast. Her name is Anna.
But one summer she was dedicated to hiking and tanning.
There was like a real like she had like a
whole bikini wardrobe. There was like eight eight bikinis, and
she was so tann that we just started calling her Tanna.
And now I got her a nameplate necklaces Tanna. But

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you know, of course skin damage happened and now I
am now no longer, so she's skinned comage. Okay, sorry,
go ahead, mild I interrupted you so um yeah, I
mean prior to that obviously, working with Tanna, it's like
I know so much by osmosis because without even anyone asking,
she'll be like, I cannot believe it popped over, what

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are you? And most of the time I'm like, okay,
I'll bite what okay the bachelor and I go okay um.
And And before that, I used to do the thing
where I would get drunk and watch the first episode
of a season like every couple of years because I
was new. That was the messiest part. But this is
my first time like understanding the arc of a season.

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To me, the first night is the worst night because
you just have to like suck, like you don't know
who everybody is yet, like it gets interesting like a
few weeks in Jerry. Yeah, overall, what did you think
of your first bachelorette experience? Oh? I had uh. Okay.

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I was watching with some friends men and women, and
I was like, I have a thought about the Bachelorette
that could be considered controversial. Do I mention this? And
they're like, yeah, because they agreed in a sense, we
want you to be authentic with us. Jerry, Okay, but

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you know, yeah, we live in charged up time. We
can cut this out. Okay, does the bachelorette feel more
I'm gonna use the word I'm not going to use
the word natural. I mean to use the word authentic
and experience, a condensed dating experience for a woman to

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be pursued by many men than a man to be
pursued by many women, in the sense that that's sort
of how the dynamic is in the world. If there's
this diamond in the rough woman she kind of gets
to pick and choose from the men. But that's very

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rare I think with men that they have many women
pursuing a guy. I mean, I appreciate that actually makes
me feel good that that's what you think, because in
my world, like in my operating on planet Earth as
a female, I think so often the guys sort of

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have the upper hand, and the guys that like if
there's an eligible, handsome, cool, nice guy who's handsome, you know,
I feel like there's a flock of ladies to me.
I don't know. And what, Katie, what do you think? Yeah,
I agree with you or and I always thought it
was like the guys. I don't know if it's because

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women maybe feel a little bit more empathy, you know,
I don't know. It does feel like men usually have
women flocking to them, but it's maybe because each sex
has their own way of saying And I'm like, I
feel like no one. I mean, You're probably right, it
probably is just our own individual you know, objective, subjective.

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What do you think, Well, I think The Bachelor maybe
reflects and I'm gonna get heavy here a little bit
more of like the nature of patriarchy culturally, that the
man is the focal point and that women are tending
to this man or pursuing this man. And I think
that I think that reflects just sort of the sort
of gender dynamics in this country or the culture. But

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at the same time, like to what Jerry saying, is that, like,
you know, women are able to choose the men that
they want to be with. If you're a guy, choosing
like them. I don't know, Like it's more in the
sense that I feel like there is more, Uh, there's yeah,
I don't know. Like I've always found myself pursue. I

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found myself in the position I saw on the screen
of me pursuing a girl with like eight other dudes.
That's That's the thing is I feel like a guy
the individual males experience is that we find a woman
and we're after that, Whereas I feel like women's experience
and I'm talking about their life dating, you know what

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I mean, Like this is a condensed version of real life.
Women kind of can pick and choose and they can
date this guy and then but this guy is kind
of pursuing them over a year and they can really
hone and find the one that fits in their life,
where I don't think that it exists for dudes. I

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love That's where I love having you guys on the podcast.
I love getting that point of like, I love hearing
it actually makes me hopeful to hear that because I
think as a late bloomer, I certainly always felt in
like less than like you know what I mean, It
took me along. I never felt like the one that
was getting pursued. You're a diamond in the rough. Thank you,

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and I would win when you wear that T shirt.
Absolutely not you wear a keytar, a giant key tar tie. Yes,
I would because I know what you like. Before we
get started, I also want to say there was huge
news in the Bachelor franchise this week. Finally after forty

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fucking seasons. And what's interesting is there's twenty five seasons
of male of Bachelor's and fifteen seasons of Bachelorettes, which
I don't understand how that adds up. But I don't
get that they started the Bachelorette like years later. I mean, okay,
so that's insane to me. But so after forty seasons
of the whole franchise, they finally cast their first black

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male lead, which is appalling that it took forty seasons.
I'm so excited that they finally did. And there is
a an Instagram account that please can that has that
there's so much more work to be done. There's this
Instagram account called batched at Batched Diversity. We talked about
it last week, but that's so that there's actually is

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more real change within the system that they are asking
for thirty five percent of all of the contestants to
be black, indigenous people of color. That they want there
to be equitable screen time, They want the people on
the crew to be a more like a diverse crew,
that people are paid more equitably, that people have mental
health resources to help with being so like, just so

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that it's not just like a one and done, like okay, okay,
you know here, Okay, you get that, Like with Rachel Lindsay,
they gave us like there was one amazing bachelorette and
then they went back to all like these white pageant queens,
like it would be such a better franchise if it
actually looked like the world, and so please go to
bache diversity. They sign their petition, tell your friends spread

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the words so that like that they don't just do
lip service like that, they actually make changes. Anna, Katie,
do you have any thoughts on that? Yeah, I mean
there was kind of a weird thing where I almost
wish they had waited to reveal that there's going to
be a black bachelor, like around the time where the
bachelor would normally be announced, because right now it felt like, oh, okay,

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well here's a black bachelor, and you're like Okay, yeah,
I know, like cool, but like very weirdly opportunistic, and
it feels like I don't know if this is genuine
until I see the progress being made, Like I will
know how genuinely are when you when I see it
in the casting, Like if you if you take Matt
James and you give him white women, I'll be like, Okay, well,

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there you go. That was a one time thing that
you were just giving it because you felt societal pressure.
Let's see who they cast for Claire by the way
that it seems like they can't get anybody, but like,
let's see what they actually cast for Claire, Katie. Do
you I listened to that podcast that you sent of Rachel,
Lindsay and Beta, which was very it was really interesting,
Bachelor Happy. Rachel has been doing a bunch of podcasts
and they've all been fascinating. Um. But yeah, no, I

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think I agree with Ana that until we see who
they're casting in the show, because I mean, it just
needs to be way more diverse in general, like for
like you said, for Claire's, for Matts, for everybody, and
behind the scenes too, they mentioned that it's very white,
so you know, until they just make a change overall
amongst the entire franchise. You know, that's what I want
to see. And then I guess we'll know if they

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actually took it seriously or not. Yeah, is like the
way the show works. Like when they're vetting somebody to
be the Bachelor or bachelorette, they obviously are taking into
account their preferences for dating. So isn't there on some
level two they should be like I'd imagine people are
answering like, oh, I don't know how comfortable I am
dating out of my race, and they're still like, yeah,
that someone will consider for the show, versus someone who's

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that already, like someone who's already more inclusive in how
they would date already landed show naturally to begin diversifying,
That's what Rachel Lizzie was saying and whatever. And it's
like that you don't want to have seen somebody's very first,
you know, like like oh, okay, this is my first,
this is a straight you know, like just have somebody
like this is how they just cast. There's so many
people to pick from, like cast somebody that truly my

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My my feeling on that is, why don't Why isn't
the contestant involved in the casting because I think even
just the superficial headshot level, you're like yes or no
they are. I don't think so because usually usually a
lot of people are cast before they even announced the
person it's going to be, because they are constantly casting

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and then they you know, and then they I think
that person then just shifts their attention to like a
Peter or something. But I think with Claire and Matt,
these are going to be the first two that like
people know who they are because they were announced a
while ago, and now because of the pandemic, I think
the casting system has you know, it's it's the time
span is a lot more than usual, so like people

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can actually you know, and also on top of that,
they need to fucking vet these people. I don't want
another Lee showing up with his racist tweets on Rachel's season,
like how dare you book a racist or cast a
racist on the only female black bat Shurettes fucking season? Yeah,

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And his tweets came out and like like they then
the franchise didn't she had to speak out, Like the
franchise didn't apologize. They made her call him out. Mike
Flice Mike Flice, the guy who created this as Heidi
Flace's brother. Um, and he's been like accused of domestic
battery and so like, it's not a great guy, So

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welcome to the fantise alco calling accepted the rose. I
do feel like we'll see the proof that. I feel
like the real proof will be in the pudding of
like Claire's season of like all right, if you're really
saying you want to change the show, and not like okay, okay,
look you get a black bachelor, like al right, so
start now, you know when we start with the very

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next season, his Claire season. So so let's see. Let's also,
can I just say one more thing. I watched that
Good Morning America special where they introduced Matt, and I
did not not notice that they parade Okay, he's a
black man, but his mom is white, and they paraded
his mom out like sees a mom's boy. But and

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it's like, you think, I don't like who you? Who did?
They Usually they never show you the parents unless they're
trying to be like, don't worry, he's got a white mom.
I was like, are you serious? They brought his mom out?
They showed a ton of photos of her and them together,
being like see that's his mom. Don't worry a safe choice,
Like it was so transparent, Like I was like, okay,

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you guys don't even hype, Like when do you ever
show anyone with their mom on their show or their dad?
So I really expect I hope Peter's mom right. Yeah,
Well she was a bit of a character. You know.
They really wanted to give me that. Matt James is
super handsome and I can't waste someone. Yeah, he's actually
I was like, he's so hot. I feel like he's

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our best bachelor we've ever gotten. I was like, yeah,
I mean he is really attractive. I was like the
most vanilla guy, Like they're the blandest, like the like
the softest, safest like boys, Like this guy is so handsome.
I'm like, yes, okay, here we got the real. The proof, though,
will also be when you're reading statistics about the breakdown
of bachelor seasons and it actually says something like, oh

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and you know, thirty percent were people of color and
it was actually women. That's when the proof. Because I
think a lot of these companies get too caught up
in like, well, we'll make it right right now, right now,
for now, then we can backslide. That's why I think
because to me, I think again as if they if
they do start to at least cast more of the
cast because they usually pull, like, then they'll have more

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people to pull from to go to Paradise to be
the next lead, like of all races, like like like
you know, there's so many different kinds of people to
see than just pageant girls. You know, mentioned like when
they would be like a gay bachelor, bachelorette or anything.
They had their first love interest, they had their first
like that's a question for Juan Pablo. Frankly, they had

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two women fall in love and paradise, but two beautiful
blonde two beautiful blonde women and they had a proposals
the mickey only the blonds. Yeah, exactly, I think Frankly,
they're just needs to be more gingers. Anna and I said, know,
are watching Bachelor US no Bachelorette in New Zealand right now,

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and they're the hottest ginger on there. It's insane, Like
it's so weird that the hottest person is a ginger, okay,
and the bachelorette there is a hot ginger Okay, here
we go, Here we are. Um, it's Caitlin season. We're
back at Chris Harrison's house that does look like the
lobby at the Ramada Inn, with his novel The Perfect
Letter displayed as the only book in his study, with

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piles and piles of dying roses on his desk, posted
by his son who hates him that what's named he named?
His name is in Harrison's Jason Josh, Yes, his name
is Harrison Harrison. Harrison Harrison, who clearly is like origin.
You know that kid is just like getting high in

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their basement with their friends. Hates his dad. I love
his one word answer like happy to be here, Harrison Harrison. Great,
let's go. I didn't wear shoes tonight, wasn't it? Wasn't
it Katie? That was who was texting me last night?
Just mean, like you know that this is like his
son's like it's his dumb internship of the summer and
he hates doing that, like you would just tell he

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hates like he hates his His posture was so defeated
to when he's like, and I'm here with my one
man crew, my son, Josh, how you doing tonight? And
he was just sort of like, yeah, it was painful
for teenager. Please look at the art in this room.
He has so much money, but he buys that money

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paint and yeah, you brought up that book. What is
that book? That was just so aggressively like, see that's
my name and that's a book. You can buy it.
So I looked it up perfect and you can buy
it now. I looked it up. You can't buy it new.
It's out of print. Nicholas, what is it? Who's that writer?
Nicholas Sparks. It's like, it's like the letter. It's like

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it's it's like a it's like a Ryan Gosling, Um,
what's her name? The Canadian when they were what's it
Ryan Gosling? The notebook, It's like the notebook And yeah,
he wrote like a it's like a romance. It's like
a lady that goes who has her heartbroken, goes back
to her hometown and finds love. And you can't buy it, knew,

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you can buy it used and I like, I like
that it's called a perfect letter. And he constantly throughout
the episode is like using the power of suggestion to
be like, we're going to tease these love letters and
then Nick later is just like they do their emails, right,
what are you talking about? Like I'm writing this with
a quill by candle light or something. This is a

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Google I had a Google search these. Then it's the
beginning of the journey. And you see, this was why
it was such a great season and I should for those.
This was my first season I ever watched, and I
didn't want to watch it, and I heard like, oh,
no, no no, no, you have to watch it. There's two bachelorettes.
And I was like, fine, fine, what that was a

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fun twist for the night, Like it was very cruel,
but very cruel, very cruel. But so you've got Britt
who is beautiful and gorgeous, but like to me, I
mean I would have gotten out of that limo and
be lined for her. I think Caitlyn as cute as
a button. Once Caitlin laughed that was it. That was it?

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Her spunky like, I was like, oh I get it.
I'm in love with her now, Miles, who did you like?
I like Caitlin for sure. To Britt had something not
like I don't know, she wasn't she didn't feel unique
to me. She felt I was like my first instinct
was like, you look like Vanessa Manilo's younger sister that
like couldn't get out of her older sister's shadow or
something was her vibe and I was like, I don't know,

(23:25):
I got very caddy, and I was like, I like
Britt already. Yeah, I agree with you. Because Caitlin was
like a real girl. She's she's a dancer, she's from Canada.
I like her little nose, Pierre saying like, she's just
so cute, and she was so likable and so her
personality is was set her apart. She was like our

(23:47):
most authentic bachelorette I feel like we ever had. She
was charming, she was funny and like even you know,
she was even a good sport when the first guy
who came out like made a beeline for Britt and
then she's standing they're not being picked, but was like
you felt for her in the moment, but she was
gracious and they were nice to each other. I thought
the women yea. And her reaction when Chris told her

(24:11):
that she won was so perfect. It was she was
excited and then immediately concerned for Britt, and I was like,
you're you win. Watching her call her mom was so lovable.
She was so charming and she was concerned for brit
It just made her so much like she had a
huge heart. Um and and it was sweet watching so

(24:33):
even though they did the straight first of all, an
unnecessarily the show should be two hours and unnecessarily long
show that. Then they edit out the ending, which was insane.
They just cut out I'm I'm on the opposite side.
Oh god, look at there. So they eded out the ending.
But watching Sean, who was the guy that she ended
up with, like get out and go talk to her,

(24:55):
like it was fun sort of watching that first night.
They did have good chemistry. He they cut out the
part where he said that when she got cut from
her season that she was like. He was like, I'm
coming for you, Caitlin. You know that he he really
he super fan came there for Caitlin. Well he said
it when he walked up to her, he was like,
I'm here for you. Yeah. Apparently he took a picture

(25:18):
of this TV screen and he made a little like
picture or something that said I'm coming for you, like
of when she got cut, Like he just he he
really liked her. That is a level of alpha confidence.
I just don't get like I'm like watching someone on
TV and then taking a picture of the TV and
being like, here I come. I'm going to l A.

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I'm gonna meet you and I'm gonna make you my wife.
Like wow, okay, we call those stalkers normally. I came
here for you and I will achieve my goal to me,
you will give me three children. So in that sequence
when they did the rap thing, I remember the guys
like this at him, was like he called him a
fan or something and was like oh and for me

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not seeing anything, I was like, oh, that was not
that's a that's a dis Yeah. He was like a stalker.
He was like a super fair. He was like a
super fat So no wonder he was so okay. And
now it's see, these are the things that I was
missing that I felt I was robbed of with the
way they unfold that I have to say, to be
fair to you, this was such a great season that
I think it's not fun to watch something in a

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two hour There's a reason it's multiple episodes, you know. Um,
I don't to me, I don't think it really works
in this format. That's just me, but it is what
it is. Um watching it back Anna and Katie watching
that Cocktail Hour, it felt like ben Z wanted Britt
and was disappointed when it was Caitlin. Did you notice
that Benz seemed like he wanted Britt. I felt like

(26:44):
a lot of the guys kind of liked Britt more.
Um I was. I was a little surprised, like they
and I swear to god, it looked like Ben Higgins
put a rose in Britt's box, even though he said
it was going to be Caitlin. I was confused by
that as well. But yeah, Ben, I think maybe he
just like both of them, you know, maybe he's just
open to either. He seems easy going. Yeah, so then

(27:05):
they should. Then they go. So she gets it and
she goes. Much like real life, by the way, much
like real life, you just have to adapt. You We're
sort of open to whatever. You know, what, what are
you gonna do? Who's who's in the bar tonight? It's
it's I'll take it, Harrison, Harrison, beat it. You're on.
You're on my turf. Now put some shoes on. She

(27:28):
goes to see Amy Schumer was the son not wearing
any shoes, was he? No? He was. Chris Harrison was
barefoot under the desk. I don't know if you noticed
what he really really? Yeah he was. I didn't see.
I was looking for the bare feet. Was he really?
I texted you I said it was a joke that
he's like wearing basketball shorts too. I was like, I

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was just waiting he was actually not wearing I couldn't
find it totally barefoot. So then she goes and she
sees Amy Schumer and they kept then Chris Harrison through
I would Amy Shimmer was so cute. It was fun
to see her, and it was interesting seeing her five
years ago, like she was already super famous, but five
years less famous. It was interesting to see her on

(28:09):
The Bachelor. Um, you know, Nikki was also in that right,
remember Yeah, they didn't initially the whole thing, but she
was there. But they kept sort of insinuating, and I
felt like there was a lot of sort of vague
they're still kind of slut shaming her, where they'd be
like Caitlin season wasn't all talk, you know, It's like
they would do that before she went basically like don't

(28:31):
forget we listen to her while she got boned in
a Hilton, like like unlike the Fantasy Suite. She was
miked and we heard it, like I just they couldn't
stop kind of doing innuendos, like it was not just
fun in games, things got physical. It was it was uncomfortable,

(28:53):
was it because like there's just the nature of the
show was a sort of so conservative, Like it was
like there was the sanctity of the Fantasy Suite because
I kept hearing them reiterated's like and I mean she
just had sex like a human being with agency. I
mean rewatching it back because again I never this was
my first season rewatching it back. I'm like, yeah, she

(29:14):
had sex to him, like and by the way they
act like it never happened. This season before was Juan
Pablo and Claire, We're we're pretty sure they fucked in
the ocean, Like, Anna, didn't you notice that, Like this
was never happened except for like six months ago in
Thailand when Claire knocked on his door and they went
like at least minimum like got fingered in the waves,

(29:36):
like what like what it just felt it felt like
they were racing that that it all just happened. Yeah,
but I mean it wasn't fingered in the waves of
Christopher Cross Soong that's my parents first dance was to
otherwise thing good in the way. It's like islands in
the stream. What you mean the waves? I my god,

(30:05):
you believe Okay? Anyway, if that sand or your knuckles,
I accept you, and we even die on each other
getting fingyed by waves. That might be the title of

(30:26):
this episode. Okay, alright, so then, so then why I
forgot about this storyline which was such a great storyline,
the loving the weirdest bromance between j J and Clint
in the house, the most bizarre thing I've ever seen.
I loved it. I loved it so much. First of all,

(30:47):
Clint was so handsome, he looked like Heath Ledger. Totally
forgot about them. J J was a former investment banker.
I don't know what that means. I don't know what
happened he lived. I remember he lived in his mom's basement,
and I think he was a dad. I think he
had some kids, Katie, what do you say? Yeah, he

(31:07):
was a dad who I think he was divorced, and
he lived in his mom's basement, and he was a
former investment and then he came to remember. Yeah, a
lot of euphemistic occupations like I saw that other guy
Sean E was an amateur sex coach. I remember, um

(31:27):
Robbie was an aspiring social media participants participants are they
just are the editors being shady produce that. I think
it's also like a way for them to kind of
like insult, like that you're a loser. They've had like
chicken enthusiasts they had yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, aspiring social

(31:52):
media participate Bro, you can do it, just post something.
I just hit that tweet. But you can lose it all, man,
you can lose it all. I don't know what to
hashtag and man, I just don't know what to say. Hysteria.
He doesn't. That also kind of feel like that they
were implying he was there for the wrong reasons. It's

(32:12):
like this guy just wants to get on Instagram and
get a lot of followers, so you know how that goes,
Like you're completely calling it out Like first trap loser
guy with like high water pants and a Falcon swoop hair. Dude,
just like okay, so j J and Clint Clint. I
don't know what he does for a living, but he's
sort of like a heath Ledger stand in and j J.

(32:34):
Is a divorced dad living in his parents said it's
a former investment banker, and they just felt for each
other and they were like hang out on their little
shorty shorts and the hot tub. And then I said, um,
I love turtles, and somebody said turtles are the best
and uh and they were like like literally, I'm a

(32:54):
turtle guy. Turtles are awesome like that and and and
like Villain's got a villa and basically that. They were
just where they're sitting like nestled in the couch and
they're like doing this like jiu jitsu handlock situation, like no, no, no, man,
now I belong to you. You own me right now,
right you got me like locked in, you own me.

(33:14):
It was just like they're gonna kiss right now. The
hot tub talk to that body language reminded me as
like a teenage boy like hitting on a girl, where
like I think JJ was like leaning back at the
edge of the hot tub and clints like standing in
it kind of like playing with the water and holding
his own shoulder like I don't know, Like that's so

(33:35):
cool that you like turtles too. I was like I
was like almost like y'all, y'all just don't have the
vocabulary to express your love for each other properly, Like
you're basically there, but your toxic masculinity has only given
you these tools and being like, dude on jiu jitsu you,
but I will also feel the warmth of your hand.
I love can I just sitting on the couch with

(33:56):
your friend and they're like, you belong to me. You're
in my luck now and now like I'm your captive
like saying that, but arden, I don't mind because I'm
also a turtle guy. Awesome. I could only hope that
you would be doing it. We're in your Rookie of
the Year T shirt and your kidfore tie. Drink it

(34:20):
in because this thing is getting retired tonight. You have
to cut it into like a half like a crop
top and wear it to the beach. We're hanging it
as like a banner up in the rafters. I want
it back. I want it back. No, you can't have
it would be my edgy sleep shirt. Okay, okay, but
I mean j J. We're actually, you know, saying things
people that love each other would like. He wass saying, dude,

(34:43):
now you belong to or I belong to you? But
rather than like a nice embrace, it was like an
aggressive aggiro hold. It's like now, bro, look dude, you
got me. Dude, you got me now first, like I'm
I'm in the palm of your hands. It was putty.
It was really one of my favorite sterialized I wish

(35:03):
we had more like that because it was. It was
also with these two sort of like odd alpha males
that were dicks, Like they were such dick to the
other guys and you're like, what is happening here? Like
it was they were so mad at what they actually
were that they had to be hateful. You know, how
bad were they to each other? Because again I didn't

(35:23):
see that dimension. I just saw the bromance. But it's
when she was like when thirteen out of fifteen people
in the house or saying, you guys sucks. They were dicks.
They were they were only nice to each other, and
they were really elitist, like only they were lost in
their own little like Clinton JJ world like outside of
this bubble, like everybody's a piece of ship, but you
j J. And I love when Tanner manned up and

(35:44):
he was like, dude, how much it like, how much
of a piece of ship is j J that he
throws like his like the love of his life on
the bus and that was devastated, and it just says
you should apologize, and like the and and like the
look of tears was in both of their eyes when
they got cut and then also like the like a
betrayal of like you just like I was gonna JJ

(36:07):
sticks around right for like a while, but he but
he like completely fucked over his buddy, which I've never
seen anything like that where it was like they were
such bros. And then he comes in and she says,
I'm sorry that that, you know, this is kind of
tainting the evening, but you know he's gonna go and

(36:28):
just goes, yeah, you also an apology, bro, I think,
and the guy the look on Clint's face, like what
are you doing, dude? And then the tears was unbelievable.
Whatever was JJ's attempt to assimilate, Like, Okay, I've I've
alienated everyone in the house and everyone has seen that
I've like fallen in love with the man, which was

(36:49):
like the surprise of like the like the surprise high
point of this is in love with Clint. But now
everybody hates me. I've fallen in love with I've been
a tool, so now I'm going to betray Clint so
I can try to hang for three minutes. It was
biblical like. There was little like tears in their eyes.
It was instant. It was like he's out. I gotta

(37:11):
save myself. I hate you, bro, and I'd never like
turtles get out. It just breaks your heart too, because
I feel like they really there. There may have been
something there and then and you know, because the way
j J afterwards and his stellar um coping skills that

(37:32):
he displays when he punches himself in the face to
crying on camera himself, that's right, that's rights. Some fucking
sucked himself. JA is crying right now. Is literally like you.

(37:52):
It's so much easier for the two of you to
look each other in the eye and say I love
you than to go through all that. You go through
all that. He had to punch himself in the face
and it's like he's punching like you're not gay man,
those feelings. It was just a weird thing he had.
It was like a shadow play and witchcraft, and he
was like black magic. He was just like he had

(38:14):
you in some kind of spell, like fucking like, man,
I remember who you are. You're JJ, You're a former investor, baker,
you live with your mom, your ex wife, suing your
prowl Amonia supported in three weeks, Like just make it Paradise,
Just make it to Paradise. Villain Stoke out a villain.
They don't anna tell us everything? What is in your heart? Right? Okay?

(38:38):
The thing where afterward where Clint confronts j J. J
J has trying to apologize, it's the sad thing I've
ever seen in my life. I can't believe you, man,
we can't come back from this. And J just like
I don't know who I was. It was like so
unbelievable that I was like, is even going on? Like

(38:59):
the turnip, J was like, okay, you are a bad
Like everything was like these are just bad people. But
it was sad, like I do hope they reconciled afterward.
You know, there's no coming back from that. You guess
that's right. They must have been ashamed also, like I'm
sure they're so alpha that you have that captured on

(39:21):
film and have their bros back home at their bro
bars be like you know they were like I was
playing the game, man, like that was all act. I
did that on purpose, Like there's no way that they've
been like kind of outed and then they got betrayed.
It was so outlandish. It was so outlandish though that

(39:42):
I thought, is this were they just cast? And did
they write this stuff for them? Feels like it, but
I don't think I've never seen anything like that. They
really wanted air time, But that's that's that's a first
of a way to go about it. Him put himself
in the face though, just show you some of the psychologists.

(40:03):
It's truly like I've never been around guys like this,
and it's like I've heard tell of bros like this
who are just so aggressive and intense that they out
here and that's how they behave because it's like he
got a glimpse of something he had never acknowledged or
something clearly. And I think what was weird is that
him punching himself like you're saying, and it comes right

(40:25):
after the most intense like examination of their betrayal of friendship, um,
where he's just gobsmacked and it's almost like JJ is
just if he could, he would have got on his
knees and probably would have been like bro dude, I'll
do anything. Dude, please back in the lock. I belong
to you. Put me back in the lock. I belong

(40:46):
to you. And you know villains are gonna build. But
this time I builled a little too hard man, And
I need you to know that. He walked up at
one point and said to Clinton, look, I'm wearing my
power socks that and then oh my god, how and
then how clant his whole tactic was to ignore Caitlin

(41:07):
all day after and like be like a real like
a real piece of ship after they made out in
the hot tub. And then yeah, he completely threw his friend.
I loved Tanner saying is an unloyal dick. Unloyal dick
threw his best friend under the bus and he was
weeping and punching himself in the face. I mean, before

(41:28):
we go to commercial break, was there anything, yes, Katie,
did they show this usen? I can't remember, but there
was like a scene and like after the credits when
this season was on where they showed them in a
hot tub together and they were popping each other's back acne.
Do you remember that? Nobody like, wow, this is too close.
We didn't have our podcast then, so This isn't something

(41:50):
that we've ever broken down with other people because I
this was the first season I ever watched the show.
We had the podcast on that one we started right
after we started on Ben Higgins. Wow. So yeah, I
have this memory of, like, you know, after the after
the credits, they always show like a funny scene, and
I swear there's like a memory of them in a
hot tub together and they're like poffing each other's pimples

(42:11):
on their back. Oh my god. I have to say
this conversation has made that three hour torture last night
worth it so far. We'll be back after the break.
Oh Bones Zone. Time for the Bone Zone. Alright, So

(42:42):
we're back and Chris Harrison and Harrison Harrison. Um, they're back,
and they're a horrible Uh they're horrible Romata in Lobby
and uh they have on the most exciting too, for
of Hannah Ann and Madison. I mean, nobody cares and
I love that Hannah and I feel like Hannah Anne

(43:03):
got a slightly new face. It was there like I
did not recognize her. I literally was like, we Hannah,
because like they know in my head, I got confused, like, wait,
who's Hannah Ann and then I looked it up and
I was like, why does she look so different? Somebody
tweeted us asking if she'd become a Kardashian. I don't know,
if it's like makeup, maybe a little, a little. The
one on the left left, the one on the left

(43:26):
who said her ms were open, yes here again, I'm
not got to know their names. I was just like,
the one on the left is the d m S.
And the one on the right I couldn't remember to
the one on the right. I just felt like and
it was a reminder of how fun this show was
before it got super duper Christian. Like before before they
brought so much heavy you know, there should be a

(43:48):
separation of church and state, like Bachelor, you know, like
just everybody do your thing. But this was so much
more fun this season when that wasn't another character in
the season. Don't you were great? Jerry? Having not seen
really any previous seasons, I can't really speak to that specifically.
All I can say is I was uninterested in hearing

(44:11):
what they had to say. I was unimpressed with that
particular season. You know, it just was like, what, I
don't care, I don't care. Oh, they're doing great and
they're friends. Cool. So I liked when she was that
when when Chris Harrison was asking Um Madison if he

(44:31):
had a heart, if she had hard feelings towards Barb
and she was antl like, no, I guess she's to
be a mom and Hannah and it was literally like
she was like kind of laughing and like, clearly some
moves in the room, like she had no poker face.
If you go back and watch she's she's like like
and clearly they're not friends, Like it didn't feel like

(44:51):
they were. But that's that's why it was so boring,
is because it's like it just feels so coached. He's like,
there's zero chance that you had you had no hard feelings.
She's like, look I cried then, but I have no
hard feelings now. And it's just like, oh, okay, well
then hang up on them. Christ be two hours. I
don't give a ship. It's like, yes, just run out

(45:13):
of programming, Just do another Zoom show. I don't care,
show me some do a fundraiser. We have Instagram. We
know they're alive, Like, who cares. I just want to
say I want to remind everyone that Hannah Ann paid
for a fake paparazzi shoot where she was playing with
water guns by herself. That crew reminder, Yes, she was
like and then the things like Hannah and soaks up

(45:34):
the fun with her friends, and then people took behind
the scenes and she was by herself shooting water guns
to no one, shooting water guns perfectly dry on our
chats that can see it. Yes, she like just shooting
out like a water gun off camera, like yeah, And
then they said it like with her friends and she
was alone by herself shooting water guns at no One

(45:55):
in a bikini. Yes, what does this? And she because
the thing is on this show and I don't know
if this is how it is on nine Fiance. If
you get far enough, you can just become an influencer
for a few years, if you get in the machine
of it. Ye know. The people in any Day Fiance
are so hopeless in terms of their media savvy that
half the time like they're like, oh, I should make

(46:17):
an Instagram like once they're on the show, and then
they end up just getting in fights with viewers who
are like, why are you dating that young kid or whatever.
It's just all definitely not a savage. The show. This
season that you watched just today was a good season
because it was before people could become influencers, like it
was at the beginning like it wasn't It was the

(46:37):
beginning of people really coming on for the wrong reasons,
which I think is more and more prevalent now where
you can just you just get in the machine and
then you can go to paradise. You can have a
fab fit fun thing if you get enough fault I mean,
like you can kind of quit your jobs a year
is like the post show economy as an influencer for
a contestant, is that like are there like basically like
six brands sustaining these people or do you have people

(47:00):
just found ways into celebrity on their own? I think, Anna,
could you I think you know more about that. I mean,
there seems to be some of them. If you get
really far and you're a really likable female, some of
them seem to start clothing lines, or they'll do like
like like Caitlin has like a scrunchy hairline, or they'll
be do we correspondent for e I think they get

(47:21):
paid a lot for their podcast. They have a lot
of listeners, Anna, what do you yeah? And then you know,
like there's like the main um, I guess sponsors, which
is like the Sugar hair Care whatever it is, or
like the diet t or any sort of yeah, or
like any clothing line. I do want to say that

(47:42):
Captain Harrison, Chris Harrison, Sorry, I'm watching too much below
Deck Harrison, Harrison, Castin Harrison and Harrison Harrison. Uh okay,

(48:04):
so Captain okay, So Captain Hares is so cruel in
his questioning at times when it's just like, admit it,
you cried madisone. You cried madaicine, admit it, and she's like, yeah, okay,
I hurt my feelings. We all saw what happened. He's
so cruel. You can also screen share when you find

(48:25):
your the Hannah and Sun st Well, I found the
actual photo shoot, but I'm trying to find the photos
that people posted on Reddit of the background. Anna just
sent me the poster or the part of Daily Mail article,
but the regular photos that were meant to paint the
reality already just look like bullshit. There's no she's totally dry,

(48:46):
she's not wet at all. Yeah, I'm sending them right now. Okay.
So then, um so then we Okay, I'm gonna okay,
pauses for a second, kid, because I just want to
look at him. I want to look at those pictures.
It says, like with pals, but like not a single
shot of any other person, and there's nobody there's no

(49:06):
part of her that's wet. She's in the bikini. It's
it's also may so at the height of like f
she's risking getting COVID to super soaker splash out and not.
I mean, this is the fakest ship I've ever seen.

(49:27):
That's well, that was That's how she was responding to
George Floyd's murder. Was it really two days after? Yeah? Yeah,
I mean like that's like in the you're releasing that
in the build up to like a flashpoint in America.
I mean, it's hard to read the room. Some people, Wow,
I can't believe. She's like, Hey, maybe don't release those

(49:51):
that week. Maybe I know you paid for them, but
maybe maybe wait till like late August or something. Maybe
maybe you don't need to that. Did her did her
dad own a car dealership? That's what her vibe is to, Oh,
probably she's from Knoxville tennis pageant girl, but that does
she does feel like she could be on Friday Night
Lights and she could be Lila Garanty like that, you know,

(50:14):
daughter of Buddy Garrity. She's so Lila Garity. Oh my god,
I never Yeah. She is like, um, so here we are.
We're meeting Sean Booth. He is uh, these the the
the main contender so far. And it was love at
first sight and she felt it. She was like, this
is the closest I've ever had to love at first sight.

(50:35):
He did I always. I know Lorie does not like Sean.
I think she found him. She found him to be
an agro hothead. But I kind of felt for Sean
where he was all in until like his nemesis showed
up and fucked his love interest. Like I kind of
saw his point for being a little annoyed. Um. But um,

(50:56):
they were cute, Like I thought they were kind of
cute together. He she was really attracted to him. Um.
She loved his voice, she loved his smell. Um. And
he was like, I'm so thankful it's here. I was
in a bad car accident, I was airborne, I got
flipped six times. I'm so happy. This feels so right.
I'm falling in love with you. I mean that's before
Nick has arrived. I at the time thought they were

(51:18):
very cute. Katie Anna, did you like him at that point? Sean, Yeah,
I remember thinking it was okay, he was I think
also I thought in the same vein of like Clint,
a little of like the browing nous. I mean, looking back,
she actually had some pretty good guys, and like he
didn't really have a ton of personality. I remember liking

(51:38):
him but thinking, yeah, he was just like a bro.
Like I remember they would show every time they would show,
like his room and his like setup, it was just
literally all protein powder, Like he had a ton of
protein powder. And I were thinking, Okay, that makes sense
about this guy. But like, yeah, Jerry, what did you
think of What were you thinking of John? I mean
my first impression was like I was like, okay, I

(52:00):
get it. It It kind of looks like Ryan Gosling, but
like jacked. Okay, I get that. I understand the scene
where they were golfing and then she made him run
naked and she was laughing and that her laugh is
so adorable. I was like, okay, yeah, they've got good
like playful chemistry. Yeah, it was fine, Like, yeah, he's

(52:21):
just a bro. Like, he's just a bro. But I
at this point, I'm not really expecting much from these dudes.
My opinion did shift later, so, um, I thought she, Miles,
what did you think of the Sean? I did find
her so adorable on that golf date and her little
plaid pants, and it's like, she's so cute. Stealing his

(52:43):
clothes when he's nude is a nice touch, like anyone does?
I think you know? He was, Yeah, he was kind
of unremarkable. There are moments when I thought other, like
that ben Z guy who they showed like seemed how
like a quality about him that seemed more interesting or
memorable than just Sean, who just seemed like insert generic
stock image of you know, a guy who could be

(53:05):
a Ryan Gosling impersonator in an old folks home. Yes,
so yeah, but he you know, he's he's very aesthetically pleasing,
but yeah, not much too personality wise. That I thought
was like, oh, she has she's so interesting. This guy
is not that That's that's the real thing, Miles that

(53:25):
I was feeling while watching it. I was like, man,
this girl is awesome. So she's got the best personality
and she's totally gorgeous and it's like, yeah, but she
was my number one bachelorette, and I think, I think
until the end, Rachel Lindsay was a close runner up

(53:47):
of my number two bachelorette, Like Katie, would you agree, Yes, actually,
I think Rachel's my number one and then and then
Caitlin was my number two because Rachel was just like
truly the smartest Bachelorrett We've ever had. She was a
and lawyer, like she was genuinely like very smart but
like and also very fun. Um. But Caitlin was fun
and I like that she kind of was just like

(54:08):
unapologetically herself for the most part, and I thought that was,
you know, something we don't see anymore. I feel like
I would know Caitlin, Like I feel like I would
know Caitlin and root for Caitlin and like like I
felt like like she could be like she kind of like,
I mean, they're completely different people, but she kind of
reminds me of like Debbie Ryan a little bit, you

(54:28):
know what I mean, Like does this fun young gal
that's just like very cool and like so pretty but
also like super fun and can hang and like just
just a CUTI pie. I thought she's adorable. Um. So
then they go to New York and they the guys
do the worst rap ever and um, there's like a
rap battle that was rude all to watch. And then

(54:50):
um afterwards, Ashley I is there with Nick and I
have never seen I don't remember this Caitlin's chemical reaction
to seeing Nick. And she's like behind like she's like
behind the wall and the camera's catching her and she's
already started to fall for Sean, but literally her whole
body is quaking. I remember she had like a ring
on her and she's like, oh my god, it is Nick.

(55:14):
Like I've never seen like a physical like embodiment of
somebody's like panties doing like like backflips like sexual there's
like like we're gonna fuck like I was, I mean
like like literally watching somebody going into rapid fire heat
like it was truly a chemical jangling of the chemicals.

(55:35):
I've never seen such an authentic horny moment. That was explosive.
It was, and I just always thought that was hilarious. Miles,
what did you think of that moment? Yeah, that was
probably the second most impressive moment in terms of like
witnessing a dynamic sexual interaction since probably Clinton J J

(56:00):
Me personally, but that was it was. It was fine
to see I just didn't know it's Proprior to this,
I didn't know who I know the name Nick Vil
and I only like the last time I heard, I think,
is when we were at the Podcast Awards and Anna
pointed out that he had a seat in the audience, like,
oh my god, Nick Vile is going to be of
course this guy is going to be here, and I'm like,

(56:20):
I don't know who the fun what does that mean?
Who is this? I didn't know who he was when
he showed up. I'd never heard from I didn't watch
the season. I didn't know who it was, so yeah,
um it was. I sort of lost my train of
thought there, but yeah, watching I guess yeah, seeing them
sit down after that whole like vibration interaction, he must
have been like so horny too and been like I

(56:42):
got this dude, I'm sucking in her, fucking her fingernails
blew off when she saw me. She was so horny.
I mean, this is and they and they did like
they literally did. And I will say, like I've met
Nick and I feel like he's just super handsome guy
and like, like I get it. I have to say
on screen this time, I'm like this guy, Like who's

(57:05):
this guy? Like this guy in the cal neck sweater,
like what like this? Like I didn't know who he was,
so like I like I could. I was like like
I was just she has so many handsome guys. I
was just fascinated. I was like, this is the guy
that she's like, I'll have what she's having. I mean, like, fully, Jerry,
what did you think of her reaction? Well, it makes

(57:27):
sense in this because he stands out because he's not
like these jacked up bross He's more alt and he's
more smooth, and this is it. I felt for the
other guys, Like at first I was kind of like,
get over it, guys, like this is a competition, Like
let him on and he's fine. But then when they

(57:49):
talk about how they had the conversation via d m
s and they were flirting on the d M S,
I was like, Oh, right, she already knows who he
is because she's already watched his season or the season
he was on. He's a celebrity. That is disqualifying in

(58:09):
my opinion, because that's not fair, Like that is these
guys are just ordinary dudes, and now you're going to
pull a celebrity in her mind into the thing. It's
like he might as well be Tom Cruise. Of course
she's gonna her fingernails are gonna fly off, fingered in
the Waves is playing in the background in her mind.
It's like the good in the Waves? What do you

(58:30):
do to me? And so that's why I was like,
it does feel a little Jesus and speaking of this
might not be the right time for it, but I
just got texted from my Bachelor watching crew ut A

(58:51):
signs Bachelor alum Nick Viale, host of The Vital Files
to be represented in All Areas. Nick does something women,
He just does something like on Andy season two, he
was like he was the villain. He was and he
was like smarmie and why was he because he was

(59:12):
like he was just very confident and I think the
other guys were very threatened by it, and he kind
of was just like YEO, man, this is me, and
like he would just I mean he would kind of
like push people's buttons a bit. I also feel like
he's a girl's guy, Like he look girls look at him.
On Paradise, he hung out with all the women, not

(59:34):
a he's not a bro like because he seems safe,
but he's also impersonal, jacked up. He's a tall guy.
I bet he's packing heat in the pant like he's
got that big zick energy. He's got the com dick
and you. But it felt like I was like, oh,

(59:54):
I also felt like watching him with Caitlin after everything
we've seen, because he was on so many he sees this.
I felt like this whole, like his whole exchange with her,
and we'll get to the proposal later. But I felt
like that was the last time we saw like a
lot of innocence and sparkle. And then even when he
was the bachelor, like I felt like that went away twice,

(01:00:15):
mean twice he got shut down like that I mean,
and it felt like he really loved Kaylin, like they
were cute to go. I thought, I mean, is this
getting ahead? But I thought she was going to choose him.
When I watched A Life, I was like, it is him.
There's no way it's Sean, like it is Nick. They're
like supposed to be together. I was rooting for Sean,

(01:00:35):
but now this time I was rooting for Nick. Remember
even though I knew it didn't work out. I want
to say go ahead, yes, yes, Nick just reminded me
of like me in high school, or like I would
use my smooth talk to just kind of tell a
girl whatever they needed to hear, like you know, go
out with me, kiss me whatever. It's like, you know,

(01:00:56):
like I just totally feel like right now, like I've
never connected with someone like this, and then there's no
way I could let this opportunity get away from me,
like I would just regret it for like that whole vibe,
like that's Nick's vibe, and I'm like, it's like that
was that was high school for you. I was like,
that's that's like me Now, I actually feel like it's

(01:01:16):
too bad we can't clone both of you and send
your Actually feel like both of you, in different ways,
would get really far in the Bachelor world. And I'm sorry.
I know Jerry doesn't want Claire, but I feel like,
and I know that Myles is not single, but I
would love to just clone you guys, because I actually
feel like you would thrive watching it now, like that's

(01:01:37):
the like Nick's crushing it with this like Mackiavellian like strategy.
I'm like oh no, bro, I'll have these people knife fighting. Yes, okay,
so fighting. So, by the way, also to what you
were saying, Jerry, I don't I have thought about the
fact that I don't remember who says I don't remember

(01:02:00):
who said this to us, but one of the contestants
said to us that, like who's done the podcast that
when you go on, you've probably watched the season before,
so you're not interacting with a celebrity when you come on,
like you've been watching them, so like they're a celebrity,
like like so there's the weirdness of like not only
are they a hot girl or a hot guy or whatever,

(01:02:21):
but like you have to it's also like the star
struck quality that's that's like that's never addressed, that that
they're that the that that that person is famous. They
had already connected on their like social media celebrity tip
and clearly had flirted and he said FaceTime, which means

(01:02:42):
there was some nude stuff happening. So it's like they
already had the sexual chemistry going. Yeah, like it was
really truly unfair to the other guys rely so um
so then they she's like, well, we struck up a
friendship on social media. Um. And so they're in week
four and and then she says to him, are you

(01:03:04):
going to stay? And he's like, well, that's really kind
of up to you. And the guys are passed and
then they're like there's like a wall of like bros
that are like, so what do you just hear? For
your sixteenth minute of fame? Tanner was pretty I was
surprised at how aggressive Tanner was. Anna, weren't you yeah,
because they're like best friends now, are you serious? Yeah?
That's he always talks about how he's so close to

(01:03:24):
Tanner and uh, Jade, they're like best friends. Now. I
love that they're best friends. Now. Um, Sean was pissed.
Sean goes, this guy is full of ship. He was,
I'm just gonna call him the other guy. I'm not
even gonna say his name anymore. Um. And then Nick
is like what, I'm here to deal with it. Um Um. Now, Jerry,

(01:03:45):
what now? You said earlier that you had thoughts on
Sean's reaction. Do you want to talk about it after
they bone or now it was? It was, Yeah, my
my opinion on Sean changed after she told him. Okay,
So that conversation is where I went, whoa, Okay, I'll
come back to you on that. So then we're in
Mexico and Nick is singing in a mariachi hat, the

(01:04:06):
most brutal song, just cringing. You have such cringe connection.
You give me a huge direction. The classic songs not
as good as fingered in the finger in the Waves.
But his singing was that terrible? That was how offensive that? Yeah?
I was like, that's the I mean, there's so much

(01:04:28):
there's no I know that. That's the nature of so
many of these shows to you like that. That whole
thing was awful. It was awful to watch, Like we
saw stuff on one poblic season, which was even before that,
You're like, wait, what are they doing? Like wait, wait,
wait wait, whoa, Yeah, you can't really do that, what
are you doing? Um? So I forgot about Anna and Katy.
Do you remember Josh who was pissed, who was like

(01:04:51):
I think he was like he I think he's like
a welder. He was the blonde guy who he let
her give him a haircut, and then it's it into
like the bad mohawk, Like I forgot about that guy.
I forgot about him too. There weren't you guys that
Once I saw I was like, oh my god, that guy. Yeah,
Josh was kind of cute. I was like, and what's
crazy is that poor britt who didn't make our britt

(01:05:13):
who didn't get picked. Literally, Caitlin's now like a celebrity
and had Brits just like good luck out there like
that Caitlin. Caitlin is just by not getting picked to
be the bachelorette. It was like, what a difference their
roads have been? There passed anyway, Okay, where's Britain now? Yeah?
Where is Brittain? Now? I think she's pregnant? She did

(01:05:35):
you look it up? Yeah? My buddy looked her up
because I was like, she's gorgeous. Who's that? Where is
she nowt so? Then? Um oh so? Then ian Ian
was turned into such a dick. I remember he went
to Harvard and he confronted her and he was like,
I am a catch. I didn't come here for a
vacation from life. I came here for a wife. And

(01:05:56):
I questioned your integrity and I see you as a
fake level, surface person. I don't think you're here to
find her husband, your surface level and and she's like
that's offensive. Um and she actually stood up for herself.
He just kind of like he just kind of like
rubbed it in and then he wouldn't stop, and he

(01:06:17):
was kind of belittling. I believe he went to Harvard
because I think he talked about it a lot, and uh, no,
one goes to Harvard and doesn't tell you that they
went to physically impossible. This is how like, this is
how star like shaking trying to not tell they they go, well,
I want to school a massive no or even particularly Prince,

(01:06:37):
They go, I went just in Princeton. People go, I
would just go in New Jersey and I know exactly
that me. So could I like to go, oh, did
you go to Rutgers? And I'm like, oh, Prince and
Prince and Princeton. Yeah, yeah, I would just school in Cambridge.
Oh did you go to a Cambridge Community techn Harvard? Um?

(01:06:59):
I forgot about And what a dick? Don't be a
dickt to by sweet Caitlin. He was calling. Yeah. He
was also doing that like transparently insecure guy thing of
rejecting the person before they can be rejected bingo. He
used the like rationale of like, well, I'm actually I'm
such a man of substance that I shouldn't even subject
myself to. Clearly I'm not going to be picked and

(01:07:20):
my feelings for hurt, but I'm gonna try and you know,
recover my superior place here and say, well you're superficial
and tootlu I must go, and like he really like
rubbed her face in it, like he really dragged it out. Anna,
did you remember Ian? I didn't remember this, but seeing
it back really bummed me out. It's like, one, y're
going on the Bachelorette, what do Yeah, she's gonna want

(01:07:43):
to make out with a bunch of dudes. This is
a unique opportunity to like do you? And then you're
sitting here being like, I don't know if you see,
I'm actually quite a catch, but Harvard I went to Harvard,
but clearly I'm incredibly incredibly deep. And it's like, what
you have not shown us anything that you're deep? You're
an asshole. That's all we know about you. Yeah, you're

(01:08:05):
no fun, that's the whole thing. He goes, I'm gonna
go lay it out for her, and it's like, immediately,
bad idea, dude, don't lay it out like this is
her show. Just let her show your personality. If you
don't have one, then beat it. And he's just like, like,
it's exactly more than anything. Her gift is she's fun.
She's fun. And he's like, I see you having fun

(01:08:29):
as surface level flippant, I'm here looking for a wife.
And it's like immediately you know what his definition of
wife is, Like, you're gonna be in the home, You're
gonna be cooking stuff for me, and this, this is
not going to be fun at all. We're gonna read
books to each other silently. That's it. We will have

(01:08:50):
sex on top of copies of the condimens. Dude, Miles,
he won't even call it sex. It'll be coitest tonight,
his coitest night. Coit is Tuesday. I always know it's
coitious night because she puts cheese on the broccoli tie on.
I put my key to iron, my key tart, and

(01:09:13):
it's quate ast night, and we put we put on
fingers in the waves, put on my Christopher Cross vinyl
fingered in the waves, and we coitus on each other,
and I give her undercarriage a firm handshake. How do

(01:09:34):
you do? What do you do? It's nice to me.
My name is Ian. I give her the very toss
or the Latin hard. Oh my god, this is my

(01:09:56):
nightmare to be surrounded by guys like this, Like as
a woman who is a fun person over the years,
I like as a younger gal who was like it's fun,
I'm fun. Like there's many things I'm not. I am
not an extreme sports person. I am not gonna scale
the side of a rock. I am fun. I've had

(01:10:17):
dumb guys say ship to me, like, you know what
your problem is? It's basically my problem. My problem was
that I didn't want to suck them. It's usually it's
like you know what your problem is, you just go
around like it's like it was always they think like
somehow by them telling you what your problem is, like
the ultimate problem is that you actually have standards. And
it's like it's always like these drag guys that need

(01:10:40):
to sit you down and tell you what's wrong with you.
It was like, right, this was their mind. Then you
fuck them think, yeah, that's what he thought was gonna happen, Like, oh,
she'll just see the air of her ways to be
you know what, You're right, I need to settle down
and you're the guy, so then we have there in
Dublin and Nick, she's she takes him on a one

(01:11:01):
on one. She's so excited to fuck up, like you
can see her before, like I'm gonna take that. And
he literally walks up doing a jig and they go
get clatter rinks together, and he's in his cowl necked sweater,
which I actually like because it's cute and it feels
like something like a real guy would wear. But people
on the Bachelor don't generally like I just right, he

(01:11:21):
just didn't feel like about short contestant. And then he
but he did a lot of like pushing her up
against a wall and kissing her the class if you
wanted to go when you send when we clone you guys,
when you we clone Miles and Jerry and you send
your clone in did you do well with a wall
against a wall kiss? That is always a hit in
the Bachelor? Um, okay, before we get to the wall

(01:11:43):
kiss and the sexy times at the church, we gotta
take a moment because I gotta call My panties are
doing backflips. I don't know about you, but I think
I gotta take pity your break. Okay, So she goes

(01:12:06):
Nick makes me feel like a woman, like a desired woman.
I mean, she goes, you want to go back to
my hotel room and hang out for a bit. He goes, yeah,
And we like, Katy texted me like we're literally hearing her.
Likes her get fingered the most? Do you the gresson

(01:12:33):
fingered more than any podcast? I love that you guys
think he was using his frown in the beginning right
when again, and you could like kind of hear clothes
coming off, and then you heard her just going and
I was like, she was getting down there. That's exactly
what's happening. Yeah, maybe not with his finger, he Nick,

(01:12:56):
did you think? Did you? I think he dove right
into the kindling lady. Nick knows, but I think he
I think he dove right into the deep end. He
be doing that because Nick knows what he has. If
you should call him, there we go in, there we go.

(01:13:19):
I mean, what do you think, Anna, what if we
call because he's been on this show before, what if
we call them, like, all right, be real finger or
did you go straight to cud you start or did
you start with fingeringer? Can you imagine it's so inappropriate?
Don't even say hello? A couple of times. I'm that

(01:13:41):
adult lady that I came in, and I'm like the
adult super family who's like a character actress and much
shorter than all the women you know. You know, I
was like that lady, listen, did you finger? Did you?
Just from my own knowledge, I didn't. We're just curious.
When I heard the fully artist, I thought it was

(01:14:03):
a finger. But my friend was like, Carly, did you say,
uncle Steve? What was your name? Fuck you? That was

(01:14:23):
my name. I don't know, Uncle Steve. I'm out of here.
And it wasn't even that. It wasn't even that. Now,
I don't want to say that. We'll look it up.
We can look it up. We can look it up.
Would break up? I Carly in the middle, and you

(01:14:43):
know my friend from my Carly, just how are you
talking about my friend Chris Steven crazy Steve. It's Captain Harrison, Harrison,
Harrison and Uncle Steve down talk about it all the time.

(01:15:08):
Here's this guilt her teacher when we just talk about
like what went down? And I need to be drinking
during this? Should other people drink? Okay? All right? So
then they go the chemists there, whatever happens happened, and
then and then they did it cut to a water

(01:15:31):
fountain just jizzing outside the hotel room, right outside, and
then she's um and then Chris Harrison goes, this changed
many lives forever, like Captain Harrison, you're the Catholic captist.
The captain said, this changed many lives forever. I need
to know what was your name on like Carly Spencer,

(01:15:54):
But weren't you What was your name on? Drake and
Chock crazy Steve? Let me get it right, Get it right,
Steve from Jake and Josh and Steve Spencer. That's correct,
Steve Spencer for hire on I Carly, Uncle Steve, Crazy Steve.

(01:16:15):
And then we worked. I'm writing a pilot right now
called Uncle Steve and Captain Harrison. Okay, Uncle Steve and
Captain Harris. All right, all right, everybody does just because
it's quart. She doesn't mean people have this kind of
time to listen to us because nobody's moving. Blah blah blah.
So they went on, they bomb blah blah blah. So
she's guilty. She feels bad. She knew from her she

(01:16:37):
felt like she went too far with Nick. And then
she feels like she needs to go tell and then
and then he goes. He goes and tell us the guy.
We went back to her place. We we had whiskey thing,
we talked to get really personal. Um got personal and
then um and then we quitte to and we don't
even need to get into this. Chris Harrison talking to

(01:16:57):
Claire and Diana Pabla Stuggliaglow, which is the best name
for a character ever, And it's just full off of
her chair. You can't just say it the name Diana
Puppa is stugliago and act like we know you're that's
a specific, incredible name for a character that is a

(01:17:19):
Harry Potter spell. I'm pretty sure. And I felt like
he was calling her baglow. He was also calling her Yanna,
like there was like eighteen names that he called her.
He was like Tanna, Diana, Tanna Pappas, douglago um, and
like that was so weird, and I was like, what
was it the screen time and Claire had so much
botox and her boobies were like there. It was like
so exciting and bizarre. Anyway, we're back, so Kayla, anything

(01:17:43):
on the anything on Diana Poppa s Dougliaglow and Claire
and the botox and boobies Poppagliano. I don't know. I
did not watch her. Claire is the next Bachelor? Maybe not?
Maybe I'm she's thirty nine, she's the oldest bachelorette and
she she hasn't been on the show since really, and
people are like who And they're having a hard time

(01:18:05):
getting guys to apply to be and we don't even
know when they'd be able to film because they're like saying, oh,
we'll start filming in July, but like coronavirus and chairs
are spiking. So I don't believe that. And Jerry can't
stand her, and Jerry's not into her as a character.
I'm not. I'm just not. I don't. It's not that
I don't like her, I hate her or something like that.
She's just not my type. I mean, those boobies are fantastic,

(01:18:28):
and they looked real, they were like wow, they looked
just magnificently. But I don't. She still even did the
thing that I don't like where she kind of like
covers up what she really wants to say. And that's
the thing that's so refreshing about Caitlin is how authentic
she was and how she handled Ian like I don't
want another Caitlin, we want another we want someone authentic

(01:18:50):
like that, And then somebody even gave her yes. She
just was like, I'm just really excited, you know. It's
just like, don't do that. Don't be a pageant, like
say what you think, like we want to see you thinking.
So then Kaylin goes to talk to Sean to tell him.
She goes, are universe right now? She goes, look, I
don't mean to find out later. I was on a

(01:19:11):
date with net it went too far. We had sex
and his face had so much rage and he goes
to regret it. Why are you telling me this right now?
And he goes, why didn't I take a minute to regroup,
go to the bathroom? And then um and then he
says to himself in the bathroom, I'm so tense right now,
I can't even piss. It was almost like the day
of punching himself and in the day punching himself in

(01:19:34):
the dick and the bathroom. So then um, so then
she comes out she goes, look, this is the deal,
this is the show. You have to trust me. I
don't think you trust me. This is the process. Um
and uh, that's what happened at the rose ceremony. Nick
is going to the fantasy suite and then Nick and
Sean start talking after that rose ceremony and um and

(01:19:59):
then real quick, real quick, can I say about her
telling Sean about that moment? I love the way she
handled it. I was so impressed with her as a
human being. She didn't sugarcoat anything. She didn't say we
were intimate, which they always do, and I cannot stand
she said we had sex. Yes you did, girl, Yes

(01:20:22):
you did, and it was awesome and you loved it.
And maybe there's some regrets. Who cares? But she owned it.
And then he had this moment where he could have
just been like, you know what, I don't own you,
and I understand that that you have to do what
you have to do to figure out who you love.
Am I bummed? Yes, you know, but I'll get through it.

(01:20:44):
And instead he didn't. He becomes this meat heead hothead.
You know, you know, I gotta punch my deck, Give
me a second. I gotta punch my deck. And then
and then like the moment between him and Nick where
it's like he wouldn't even Nick talk like just get
out of my face, get out of my thing. I'm
gonna roid rage all over the room here, like get

(01:21:06):
get wrecked, pal, like you don't own these women. What
did you think of his reaction? No? Absolutely, it was
just you know, I think again, this is why Jerry
and I should be on the Bachelor, because that's what
we would say and bring the fucking house down, because
just being like, it's weird. These guys have these attitudes
really where they're just like give me my fucking meat.

(01:21:27):
We're fucking fighting over it. And his like when he
was getting in like Nick's face, that's when I was like, dude,
really like to go broke. You're just gonna have to like,
you know, probably vacate my line of sight, bro before
things turn up. It's so transparent and dumb and meatheaded
and just like what are we doing? What do you think? Yeah?

(01:21:50):
That was I was like, I'm gonna have to go
get myself together. It's like, dude, just right now, I
gotta punch my shi. Everybody knows it. He's probably like
I don't know what. I'm so hard from this and
turtles are awesome. I kind of have to say I

(01:22:15):
can feel for this guy because until Nick showed up,
he had at an entire season where it was so
he wasn't around, and it was like they were falling
in love and she was all in and he was
a super fan and it was working, and she said
it was love at first sight, and like it was
like and the producers are cruel, Like it was they

(01:22:39):
were falling in love with each other, and the producers
are mean, and they brought in the guy she most
wants DTF and she brings him in and and I
can see how it was because it was really no
other major threat for him in the house, and I
could see how it would be confusing to them just
be like, so this guy shows like I just I

(01:23:00):
I felt for him a little bit. Jerry, you're right.
But if we are going to look at this like
quote real life, like this is people meet people all
the time. And if she's on TV and she's a celebrity,
gets what Sean, She's going to meet other celebrities and
if you're not married or engaged, she's allowed to go

(01:23:24):
do whatever she wants. And it's like it's up to
you to be the best version of yourself. So that
she doesn't go sleep with other dudes so that she
continues to love you. So it's like just because your
cast on this show, that's not real life. Like real
life is people coming in and out of your lives.
And it's like she met Nick beforehand, so Nick was

(01:23:48):
going to be in her life one way or the other. Um,
really quick and I'm a bad hostess. My page is
stuck together, and just we can do this very quickly,
and look good, lord, what were you doing? Dreams started
watching j J punched himself in the face and talk
about turtles. Um that I just want to say, I

(01:24:08):
missed one page of a few little quickies. I just
want to say, and we can just keep it here.
Um we missed, Um, we missed the guys doing the
sex said class and and so Ben Higgins, here's one
thing you need to know, Ben Higgins, um who we
have a talk with later. Ben Higgins was so religious
that he has scriptured tattoos when he was the bachelor

(01:24:31):
on his ribs. To learn that this guy was a
sex ed miner in college was so confusing to like
like that this guy was I was just mind box.
I did think that was a fun like a fun
group date. But just Anna Katie re blown away that
Ben Higgins was a sex ed miner. Yeah, just because

(01:24:54):
I wasn't surprised. Go ahead, no, no, go ahead, first say,
I wasn't surprised how good he wasnt talking, because I
know he wanted to be like a Republican politician for
a hot minute, I think he ran for Republican Senate
in Colorado. But wasn't he like kind of didn't we
find out that he was like a little prude or
like unexperienced when he was a bachelor, Like, didn't we
find out from someone that like he did missionary with

(01:25:15):
everybody except for like Jojo who was like the sixty
nine and he had like we never done that before.
We heard that one person did not sleep with him,
one person was missionary and when and that we heard
that he was so excited to that he told everybody
how he ended. He was so sight he had never

(01:25:36):
done it before, and he's like, oh my god, have
you guys Okay, you know what if he's super religious,
I bet he was minoring in sex, said, because that
was like easy access to like sexually explicit material and
then he could like absolve himself of any guilty viewing pornography.
So if he's looking at close up shots or learning
what a vagina is and hearing people talk about the

(01:25:58):
breasts and all this other stuff, and he's like got
this cover of like, you know, I want to inform
my congregation. You know, my youth grew up about how
to finger And also, like jerk off during a college class,
everyone thinks you're just minoring in this. So then we
have also the quickie of because these were all really
good guys, we have the quickie. But they had good chemistry.
And he dipped her out like he got really far.

(01:26:19):
He was a sweetie pie. We liked Ben Higgins. Then
there was ben Z. She called him a babe Soda
And we found out in this terrible story that his
mom could. He loves cooking, cooking so good and food
so food so important. His mom cooked all of his meals.
And then his mom filled down the stairs and died
of cancer. It was it was such he was free.

(01:26:40):
I forgot that. Yeah, it's like one she fell down
the stairs broker back and then she died of cancer.
I was like, what she must have had bone cancer
and not know I forgot about that too. And he's
so sweet, like when he did the podcast and when
we met him in Terrancesco, he was like he was
so normal and cool and he's like his own business.
And now I mean now he's a fee on saying
he's very happy because I follow that he's so handsome.

(01:27:03):
He came to my comedy show up North. He came in. Yeah,
he's so sweet. He's so handsome, he's such a gentleman.
He I'm happy for him. He seems like he's really happy. Um.
And then we have Jared who actually got really far
and was so cute and he he Caitlyn kissed the
Blarnie Stone and he read her the poem and she

(01:27:25):
just they were so cute together. And but I have
to say Ashley, I and Jared like Chris Hard Captain
Harrison asking them about like how much they were getting
at It was so strange in the quarantine. Was that
odd to you? Yeah? Yeah, how are you doing it
with your parents in the next room? So weird. She
was a virgin, but she was like the she was

(01:27:47):
the virgin on this show. But like so everyone was
so happy for her that she got her and it
wasn't necessarily for like she wanted Jared and like he
wasn't interested and then she she finally got you know,
like she got her. Guy, it wasn't like super awkward
when they were asking him about his time with Caitlin
and he kept like looking at her like terrified, he

(01:28:09):
wasn't sure what to say, or just like as if
it wasn't documented on TV or the thing was always
you know, I feel so awkward. And she's so cool,
like she she does our podcast a bunch, and she's
so lovely. She seems so fine. We're like it was
where she was almost like why are you yea, why
are you all weird now about this? She's so pretty

(01:28:32):
in person? Yeah, god, I mean we love her. She's
a fan of Yeah, it was awkward. That was weird.
When she showed up with no makeup like Mary Cash.
I was like, yeah, I'm just not wearing any makeup.
I hope you guys don't mind. I was like, I'm sorry, Um, okay,
you are like everybody done it. Okay, you're absolutely gorgeous.

(01:28:56):
That's my Rookie of the Year, guiltine teacher. Okay, So
here we are. We're back at Nick and Sean. Nick's
like Sean's getting all bro a and I like that.
Nick's like, what are you gonna fight? Like? Nick doesn't
give two ships, which is also infuriating if you're Sean,
like if you want to fight, um, well he would
do that thing if Sean punched him, like whoa dude,

(01:29:17):
whoa whoa? Yeah did? I would also be like tough
to him though, too, what do you threaten me when
you gonna punch me? And like when you get punched,
you're like, okay, well did I miss? Did I miss?
The part where somebody gave her a portrait of Chris
Harrison drawn on a Tricara top? That was night one?

(01:29:38):
I mean that was the greens are I have ever seen.
I would frame them and put that in my house.
It was so good. If he really did draw it,
I would pay you to draw another one. Chris, Wait,
he was wearing a captain's hat in that the captain
on a tri Sara top? Was he wasn't he wearing
a captain's hat? And Anna, I can see Anna furiously

(01:30:01):
googling that image was incredible and I would pay any
amount of money for that. I will. It was impressive.
Was that pencil like just as a pencil and such
a great it's such a he's not wearing a captain's
hat on damn commission it with him in a captain
set and the try Sara top and a captain hat.

(01:30:23):
That would have been so amazing and waves but yes, okay,
y has a monocle. Okay, so good, Okay, So then um,
we're getting towards the end. And so it was. They
literally just cut to Nick's proposal. We see nothing of
the fantasy suites. We don't see anything of Ben Higgins

(01:30:44):
saying that he feels unlovable. We don't see any like,
we don't see Jared, we don't see Cupcake. It doesn't
work watching them. And that guy made it far, the
guy who drove up in a cup Yeah he got
cut in he got the cupcake guy got cut in Ireland, yes, Katie,
oh yeah, they didn't show Cupcake getting cut. But they
did a two on one date in Ireland and they
go to this like amazing Cliff and then she goes, okay,

(01:31:09):
I'm choosing whoever the other pass for a second, just
so you know, Miles on a two on one is
I'd be like if you and Jerry. If Anna was
the Bachelor, it she was taking you both two on
one is bad because only one person is actually going
home immediately and they get left on the date and
then the other person gets to go have like whisked
away and like a boat or what's some exciting that

(01:31:30):
they get whisked up to have the night of their
lives and your left abandoned at the gay part of
the date. And you have to remember those shots where
it's like a helicopter shot. They left them on the
side of this cliff and they just took off in
a helicopter and we baked anything drying and the dentist insane.

(01:31:55):
He was a dentist. They had done like Aladdin thing
on there and he was weeping on the side of
the cliff and they left him like my helicopter. I
feel so robbed at that because when he first when
they showed him at the very beginning of the episode
with like the carnival of interesting people along with the
amateur sex coach, my first note was Chris Cupcake predator. Yes, yes,

(01:32:16):
and his name is Cupcake and he's a dentist. Yeah,
and he drove up in the Cupcake. I was like,
this guy is too whimsical to be on the up
and agreed. That's why again, I don't think it's I
don't think they're These are not meant to be bite size.
The fun is the insanity of these people. So here
we go. So then we get the most brutal breakup
ever and then they let Nick do the full proposal

(01:32:37):
before they stop him. And I know Jerry is a
problem with this. I can't tell you how in love
with you I am. I don't want to let you go.
I am yours forever if you'll have me. And I
really believed him. This was I feel like the last
This is when the light gets extinguished. I don't know
what his proposal like for Andy, but I really felt
like he loved Caitlin and he was about to propose,

(01:32:58):
and she says, I'm sorry, my hearts is somebody else.
He was okay, and he goes, if you were in
love with me, you would be having a different conversation
because she's saying, it's not like I'm not in love
with you, and then she goes, I don't wanted to
doubt it. I don't eat a doubt it, and he goes,
you took this from me, and then she says it
was real in the moment. What I felt for you
was real in the moment. He goes, yeah, well mine wasn't,
just in the moment. And then he goes, you don't

(01:33:18):
want to be with me, you don't love me. And
then in the limo he tosses his gigantic Neil Lane
ring and then he tosses his clattering and he goes,
I just feel sick. I'm like the world's biggest joke.
And then we see him in his apartment with his
essential oils over his shoulder. Much he has an essential
oil line, just like Chris Harrison has his novel line.

(01:33:39):
And he's in front of a Paris painting with like
there's no way that's his painting with like terry blossomed
trees behind him, and um and that. And then I've
heard him tell these stories of finding these emails, like
now numerous times I've heard him he's telled this to
me love letters, guys. And then they never showed Sean's proposal.

(01:34:01):
It was like, and that must cut to Caitlin now,
as if it never happened. All right, I'm gonna go
around the circle, Katie, what did you think of this
of the show overall? Yeah, just like them, like only
showing Nick's proposal, cutting out, cutting out Sean. Yeah, that
was so weird how they didn't show Sean and I didn't.
I honestly didn't realize it at first until someone text

(01:34:23):
me did they not show Sean's proposal? And I was like, oh,
should they did it? Honestly, like the Knicks stuff was
so much more exciting that I get it. But the
fucking the love letter thing was really dumb because they
didn't they didn't even read them, didn't read that. It
was just like they had so many dumb teases in
this that none of it actually was true. But I mean,
you know, it was. Her season was fun, so it

(01:34:45):
was interesting to relive it. But Terry, what did you
think of the proposal, not seeing Sean, et cetera. I
was okay with not seeing the proposal. All of my
friends that I watched with were really pissed about that,
and I was like, why we it's who cares? We
know it didn't work out, we know he won, we
know it didn't work out. The more interesting this is
a highlight reel, and the more interesting moment is nick

(01:35:08):
heart Nick's heart being ripped in half in front of
the American public, but did same you know. I'm just
I was there for the highlights, so and like when
I saw that, like in the beginning she was blonde
and with some other person, I'm like, okay, so it
doesn't look like her story didn't end there. I was
just like, and then it seemed like everyone was talking

(01:35:28):
like this. The whole point of this season was she
fucked before Fantasy sweet and the thing that like and
then Nick gets his heart ripped out. So I think
they basically just wanted to highlight that part since that
seems to be the thing that everyone talks. I also
did not recognize her when they went to her. I
was like, who is this Wait, that's the same girl.
I didn't. I like, like, you're so cute. You don't

(01:35:51):
need to do any You're so cute. She's been instagrammified. Yeah. Yeah,
and then we see that she's now we love her
boyfriend now he was on a different season. They all
day within the World. So she's with Jason's a great guy.
They they pretend she's going to get proposed to, but
her reaction getting asked to be on Dancing with the

(01:36:13):
Stars was so But if you recall she wanted to
do Dancing with the Stars and Mike Flies told her
she couldn't do He would let her, would her? But
then they let Nick Vail do it the next year
or whatever? Remember that? Why did he say she couldn't
do it? They were like, oh, it's not appropriate for
you to be like jumping from like, you know, show
to show on ABC. I know. And she when when

(01:36:37):
Nick came to do it, she came out and said
it was sexist of them to not let her do it. Yeah,
it's suck up. So now this is them being like,
here you go. You can do it now, like you
got a black batchelor. Sorry to resectis Caitlin, you could
be on it? We're coming up to us. Okay. I

(01:36:57):
wasn't sure what. I was so confused at her enthusi yasm,
because like things slowly made sense. Right when when we
started this recording, you were like, we love her because
she's so wholesome. I'm like, okay, that kind of makes sense.
Because she was so moved at this offer to be
on Dancing with the Stars. I'm like, or is it?
Are people so desperate to continue there? She was a dancer,
It was her dream. She wanted to be do it,

(01:37:18):
and they wouldn't let her do it. And then and
then they let the guys do it, and she called
them sexist. And so now now now she can do it.
Now forty seasons and we have a black batch. I mean,
it's fully like, all right, yeah, that's much different when
I just saw her as someone who was so like,
so needed to be on another TV show, and she

(01:37:41):
was responding to that because I was like, I don't
know what I'm even observing. Oh my god, I'm like,
now I'm gonna watch and then cry with you. Yeah,
you guys can leave us reviews on iTunes. We really
appreciate when you leave reviews. We got a few really
great ones this week. Five stars from Her Swims. I
really enjoyed this podcast. Thanks for the last us. It
feels like sitting down with some friends to talk over

(01:38:02):
the hilarity that is the Bachelor. Well, thank you Her Swims,
and we're so glad that you enjoy it. We got
five stars. Bring back Juan Pablo by Little Watermelon. Well,
I'm hopefully I think you realize. Hopefully you realize that
we did. I started listening to this podcast with Peter
season I loved it so much that I've gone back
and listen to Hannah and Colton's as well. That's so sweet.

(01:38:22):
It's been such a great part of my Quarantine experience
when you decided to recap one public season was such
a fun thing to look forward to every week. My
boyfriend and I and I'm guessing a lot of your
fans blew through the one policies to be able to
laugh along with you and Jerry and Lori and the
crew every week. Please bring back the one Pablo recaps.
I worry about by the time you air them, I
will barely remember the episodes. I'm assuming many of your
fans feel the same way. In any case, thanks for

(01:38:44):
all the last one. We really need them. Well, um,
I know that was really ABC keep story is for
a loop with Listen to your Heart and all of
these things. But thankfully we are back on track and
you guys are getting all the one Pablo, So hopefully
you're you're feeling good and we're appreciate that you feel
passionately about it. Thank you for watching along and thank
you for listening. Here's an email that we just got

(01:39:07):
a Rose podcast at gmail dot com. We love hearing
from you guys. The title of the subject line is firecrotch,
so I know they're on the right podcast. Um it's
from thrifty Green. My dear Arden, how you be? I
heard you say in a recent pod that you're feeling lonely.
The risk of sounding forward, this must be especially stuck
without j J. I'm sorry if it helps. I'm a wicked,

(01:39:27):
salty New England mom. Can I adopt you? We might
be the same age, but there's no wrong way to
make a family. I mean, how sweet does that offer? Katie?
Is that not like I? Yeah, you very sweet? Heck,
yes you can, Yes you can, Yes you can. To
refresh your memory, I'm thrifty Green. Abby Green was planning

(01:39:47):
to finally launch my blog this week, but I seriously
left up my finger. You once said I get you,
and then I was the happiest I've been in a
long time. Please consider me to join the next fan
Guess pod. We're going to do that with these, um
with the uh we you know, we we want to
do have the fans come to it. So we're gonna
do one for these like the greatest of all times.
We're gonna have people come on. Why you ask I'm

(01:40:10):
a short blonde and I have a corny body. For real,
I'm a feminist lawyer and a political organizer. I'm dying
to talk to you and the others about the Black
Lives Matter effects on the Batch, Frenchies, and greater popular culture.
I've already written a blog explaining batchist cultural significance. Yeah,
even quote feminist and ship and fite me on the
pod so we can finally meet up and both have
a new BFF. If that doesn't convince you, I'll go

(01:40:30):
for the pity vote. Having shame is overrated. I sliced
my finger open with a knife this week. My four
year old was bitten by a dog. He's fine, A
garden host burst in my face, and the big Juna
I accidentally wipe my vagina with a chlorox wife kidding
vage in fuego. I share this because your worm dancing
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(01:40:53):
It shows dedication, it shows hard it shows artists still
got it okay, and finally, I have a fun action
idea to Black Lives Matter. I've been doing my best
from the DC suburbs, but with your help, we could
do something innovative, effective, and fun. Let me know if
you're down, Tanna, I toads have not forgotten about you.
So many thoughts. I need to catch up with your
pod before I say anything silly. I love ethnically ambiguous.

(01:41:14):
You'll love taught a white girl from New Hampshire more
than you know loved you all. Now for Abby Green?
How great is Abby Green? Yes, we want to hear
your thoughts on what we can do. Yes, you're definitely
in the running to come co host the pod. I
mean everything about it feels like you're nailing it. Katie.
What do you think that I definitely think so. I mean,

(01:41:35):
she's so funny, and that's awful about the color rox wife.
Oh my god, I feel like I've maybe, I mean,
I guess I would really, I guess I think you
would know. You would know for sure. All right, here's
another email we got from Debbie Percy. The subject line
is shan Low Info high art and I was catching
up at your podcast today and listen to your reviews
of Shawn season. Do you know that he and Catherine

(01:41:56):
did an episode of Celebrity Wife Swap with Jason Mesnick
and Mom Ali. If you get a chance you need
to watch it. I remember seeing it and thinking, oh
my god, he's such an asshole, and I felt so
sorry for Catherine. Apparently he got tons of backlash for
the way he was portrayed on the show because he
acted like such a dick watching it. If you get
a chance, I love your podcast. I did not know that, Katy,

(01:42:17):
did you. I did not know that, but I want
to see it now. Now I need to know. Now
we might need to watch that when all of these
are done, just out of curiosity that he's like such
a tool. That's interesting, that's funny. Um, okay, you guys,
thanks for an emails and if you want to email
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it works. I read a bunch, we narrow it down
to two and then we all vote. I have to
say just Lizzie Raps is really on fire during the pandemic.

(01:43:03):
Can I just say my compliments to Liz tune call?
Here is one from her Ben Higgins The penis enters
the vagina and then Jesus carries the sperm to the egg.
This is awesome from Jessy Lizzie Raps. Jared looks like
the asshole Wall Street bad guy in every eighties movie. Yeah,

(01:43:27):
who's got that? Look? Um, let's see. Okay? This is
awesome from Jessie Liza Wraps. Chris Harrison, So Ashley, Jared,
how's the fucking going? This is also from her. Inside
Source reports that Ben Higgins sex ed minor at Christian

(01:43:47):
College consisted exclusively of blank textbooks. This is from Erica
at Erica, do we think Clinton JJ quarantine together? Plays
your bead? From the Jessy Lizzie Raps. I've waited my
whole life to hear someone say I'm a turtle guy.

(01:44:11):
Oh my God? From Chazz at Thorium Dragon Big Twist.
Dancing with the Stars is rocked in episode four when
Nick Vill comes back as the contest That's brilliant. That's brilliant.
This is from Jesse Lizzie Raps. JJ's title is former
investment banker. Why do unemployed female contestants get titles like

(01:44:33):
taco girl? It's true? Okay, um uh, here's an all
Jessy Lizzie Raps, Nick Vale on Zoom backgrounds, Chris Harrison,
I see your book and I raise you my line
of essential oils. Um, all right, I'm gonna narrow it

(01:44:54):
down to these two. Chazz at Thorium Dragon Big Twist.
Dancing with the Stars is rocked in episode four when
Nick Vielle comes back as a contestant and Um, Jessy
Lizzie Raps, Chris Harrison, So, Ashley and Jared, how's the
fucking going? How's the fucking going? Or Dancing with the Stars.

(01:45:17):
I will I will go early, so I'm not the
I'm gonna go with Well, I'll let Jerry go first.
I'm going back Miles and I think i'd have to
go fucking Katie. I'll go. I mean, I actually kind
of like the Dancing with the Stars one a little more.
I'm gonna go that one, all right, Okay, I you

(01:45:39):
know what, I'll go Dancing with the Stars just because
I thought it was smart and funny. But the winner
is Liz Tunkle two weeks in a row at Jessy
Lizzie raps, She's given seth vat Who's who is nowhere
to be found a run for his money? Um, Chris Harrison,
So Ashley and Jared, how's the fucking going? Don't for

(01:46:00):
get that? If you guys are like, we want more.
On Fridays on the main feed are one Pablo season
is going going up, which has been very fun with
Jerry and Lourie. And then on our Patreon we are
now doing Real Housewives of New York and Bachelorette New
Zealand which has two bachelorettes and it's a blast. All

(01:46:21):
of them have been really fun, so you can check
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you like to promote? Oh? Just come on Twitter, Instagram
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(01:46:43):
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get baked and then talk trash. We're, you know, two
children of immigrants and we just like we we love
the show. It speaks directly to us. It's so great.
I love that. Jerry Trainer. Where can people find you

(01:47:05):
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