“MAY I SPEAK TO THE MANAGER!?!" W/ Jerry Trainor and Arden's friend Lori

Rookie of the Jerry Trainor joins Arden and Arden's friend Lori to discuss the Vietnman episode of Juan Pablo's season! Jellyfish skinny dips! Mom meat shields! Horny dads!

- Arden does NOT want to ever, EVER, EVERRRRRRRRR drop into the Hell Cave!

- Jerry turned on Juan Pablo when he shamed Clare by throwing Camilla into the mix!

- Lori would 10000000%%%%% repel into a cave! That is her JAM!!!

All that plus........TWEET OF THE WEEK!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Will you accept this Rose? A production of
I Heart Radio. Wow, God, I'm Randy. I am randy
like its uh, I'm an a heat like a tiger.
You know what, I'll accept it. Do you also have

(00:21):
toilet paper and hand sanitizer? I would love the hand sanitizer.
Some more clubber Jack cheese, I'd like for the paper.
I'd like some new documentaries to watch. Um, perhaps a
new season of the Bachelor. Thanks are really working out
for me. Hello, welcome to episode three thousand, eight hundred

(00:44):
and forty two from the Bunker. My name is Art Marine,
and I am so excited to be breaking down one
Pablo season of The Bachelor. Today we are talking about
on The Bachelor on amazone episode eight that's also on
iTunes or on the Bachelor archive. I believe it's episode five.
With me today is a man who really he did

(01:08):
not know what he was getting himself into when he
showed up to my holiday party and I saw him,
and I had a glint in my eye and I thought,
you you you need to watch The Bachelor, and I
made him Rookie of the Year. You might know him
from I Carley, Perhaps you know from Drake and Josh.
You definitely know him from Still the King Ladies and Gentlemen.
Rookie of the Year Jerry Trainer, Yeah, I remember thinking

(01:35):
why am I at this holiday party? And who are
these people? That happens everybody that comes to my parties
nobody knows why they're there. But then it's such a
fun party that they say, it's like the field of dreams.
We just you throw the party and we show up.
I have to say, I do throw a fun holiday party.
You throw the best one I do. I throw one
party a year, and there's still time for the world

(01:55):
to clear up, so I might be able to do it.
It's I you throw one part of a year, and
it's pretty fut Jerry, Can I just tell you that
are are well? I'll do it in a moment because
I want to say. There's a combo that you guys
have been freaking out for, and our super fans, we
love you. We hope you're safe and sound. We appreciate
your emails, we appreciate your your tweets and your comments

(02:18):
on Instagram. You this duo has struck a chord. Rookie
of the Year combined with serial killer knowledge level of
the bachelor ladies and gentlemen. My friend Laurie. This combo
not to be surpassed. Jerry and Lorie, how are you?
How are you doing? You know what. I'm in sweat pants,

(02:40):
but I have clean hair. Has anyone has anyone graduated
to wearing jeans daily? I was wearing jeans daily and
then I took it down a notch and then I
had to do an intervention. And I've started putting clothes on,
but not today, not today. I have no orang jeans.
In three weeks, I put them on our credic. I

(03:05):
put jeans on the other day just to make sure
that they still zipped, and I'm not gonna lie to you,
they were definitely a little tighter. Katie. How's your fitness
regime going in the quarantine. I'm working out more than ever,
to be honest, because I don't have much else to do.
We have an exercise bike, I have like a little
I got a little like stair stepper thing. I've been
taking Scout and the dogs on a ton of walks. Um.

(03:28):
I found a lot of walks in my neighbor. You know,
there's a lot of like stair walks in l A
and so I've been doing those and and a lot
of yoga at home. What's that all crowded? Are the stairs?
Nobody's I mean I lived out in East l A.
It's not as crowded, but there's no one there. I'm
sure like Silver Lake and all that is a little
more crowded, but out here they got that crowded. It's

(03:49):
been Yeah. I mean this person, you're the only one
that's gonna look better coming out of the corn. Yeah.
And I've been eating loss because I'm like terrified of
running the FOT. I wasn't first, and then I was like, oh,
I've got a lot of food, it's not good. And
a hose nay? How do you finished regime happening in

(04:10):
the quarantine? I I'm just mostly like walking a lot
I have. I can't really do like I used to do,
like those video workouts, but I can't do it anymore
because one time I did it in the downstairs neighbor
complained that I was making a ruckus. And now that
everyone's home, I can't be like jumping up and down.
But I go on long walks with my dog and

(04:33):
we just look at people's homes from afar. That's what
we do. We just watched. We just look at people
through their windows and wonder what they're watching. That sounds
about right track. I'm impressed I can do bar classes online.
I happen doing bar classes online, but I don't. I
don't think it's curbing the tide of the intake of cheese. Yeah,

(04:57):
just to make you feel better, I am doing abs
slutely nothing. Um. You know, I didn't think I didn't
think it was possible, but I think I spent approximately
twenty five hours online yesterday and uh yeah, so not
no exercise here well here, um and Jerry, I have

(05:18):
to say, I'm going to just speak for myself so far.
I'm not fully hating one problem yet. I didn't like
how he dealt with Claire after hooking up with it,
But that's gonna be the big comfo, right, that's going
to be. That's it. But aside from that side from that,
and as we told you, they used to go to
really pretty locations and I feel like it's not just

(05:41):
the bad lands of Australia. You're seeing what it used
to be like. Yeah, Vietnam was awesome, South Korea is awesome.
That is awesome. So here he goes one Pablo, he
didn't used to whisper when he talks. He goes, I've
never been to Vietnam. I can't wait to see what
this country has in store for me. And the ladies
pull up on a bus and they go, wait, love
that Vietnam nature, waters, trees, sun, beautiful. We're at the

(06:07):
Intercontinental and they had a funicul are that had a
little rice boat on it that took it down to
their houses. And I wrote down, amazing, I wanted to
go on that fun nucular Jerry, what did you think
of that? I don't remember that great LORI wait what happened.
It's like there was like a thing like like when
you know in that Wes Anderson movie where it's like

(06:28):
a tram that goes like it's like a little attic Yeah,
but it goes down the side of a mountain. It's
like a trap. It's like they had this little tram
that was like a boat that took people down to
their like hotel suite. Huh. Yeah, these these locations are
so epic. I feel like this is one one of

(06:48):
the best seasons in terms of travel. It's so good. Yeah.
So they and I noticed this and and and and
I've been texting each other, but I don't know if
they got them in South Korea, but I do remember
from and I'll probably say this in every episode going forward.
The ladies all seemed to all that was agreed. Where
a lot of loose knitted cotton scarves around their necks,

(07:10):
over their tank tops, lots of scarves. Anna, they love
a good um summer scarf. That was it was keying
in on some stuff that I this is where I
think I'm just a dude. I'm not. I didn't notice
this stuff. Okay, So then they go. So they go,

(07:36):
and Andy has a monogram necklace that I wanted in on,
and Renee finds out she has a one on one
and it says are we the right fit? And she's
so nervous it makes her hands hurt, and she's been
waiting to kiss one Pablo. It was very nerves for
here because she kept talking about the kiss, and I thought,
you've got to play it a little cooler, like if

(07:59):
you keep sking we're bigging for a kiss, it's like
a boner killer, Like you have to act confident. And
I know that he's being weird and particular because she
has a son and like her eight year old is
going to be watching The Bachelor, but like, like I
was nervous was gonna lose her game about about the kiss? Yes,
what game? That's the whole problem this is And stop

(08:22):
me if I'm jumping ahead, but this I feel like
that what you just mentioned about the kids and Renee
and the kid, and this episode really has the the
what does the kids mean to us? And I don't
I have some bad things to say about this later,

(08:45):
but you just said Renee and she needs to be
cool in her game. That's my issue with her is
she's so pretty and cool and I love she's taken
on this maternal role in the house and unfortunately she's
playing it that way with one Pablo, and I think
that's why he's not kissing her. Has nothing to do

(09:06):
with her son, Ben is it Brian? No, Ben Ben.
It has to do with the fact that I don't
think he feels any passion for her. I think I
can see that as a mom. Yeah, she's been It's
interesting because she's thirty two, but which in batsor universes
is old like Cassandra's twenty one at this point. But

(09:27):
like I feel like to say the coronavirus would hear
her the hardest. I feel like she feels older than
me and I am not thirty two, like like he
feels so mature, yes, or totally yeah, she does. She
has a maturity about her. Absolutely. You know, I thought

(09:51):
it was hilarious that one Pablo said it's going to
be a great day for her. Oh my god, Yeah,
it's gonna be so great because you know she's with me.
Uh he has he wears his Foxhawk and there's a
gong that plays, and then she shows up in the
shorts and sneakers and she's super practical. Yes, and they go. Now, granted,

(10:14):
I do get the feeling that it's eight hundred thousand
degrees and all humidity, Like I felt like it was
so fucking hot. But much like Chelsea when she wore
her little tom sneakers, like, it's a very practical, like
adorable lady, a nice mom outfit to go on her date.
And they go around this little town is really warm,
and he gets a petticab but he starts biking her,

(10:37):
which did not feel like he wanted to. She even
said it. She even said it. At one point she
goes Wow, it didn't feel like a first date. It
feels like we've known each other forever and we're just
like we're walking around this this new uh city, and
I'm like, right, that's not good. You don't want this
shouldn't be comfortable. That shouldn't be the feeling. I mean,

(10:57):
that should be part of it, but you should be
feeling like that excitement, like this is new. You're together,
like you kind of want to jump each other's bones,
but you can't just yet. Yeah yeah, yeah, I think
that's because that's he feels that way about Charlene, and
he feels that way. I think about Andy war and
Andy and Claire and maybe even Nikki a little bit.

(11:19):
Oh yeah ni um. So he's going to go get
her a tailor made dress and he wants to take
care of her. So she's super hot and he went
and bought her a fan and he's like, she's gonna
look stunning. I'm gonna dress her up like I'm gonna
spoil her. She's a mom. It was sweet when he went.
He knows how to do the things right, like buying

(11:41):
the fan, which is why guys like that are so dangerous. Lorie,
what did you think well, I mean, I thought the
weirdest part about this date was that when they were
measuring her her bust and he looked at her breasts
and said, I'm so confused by all of that. Um,

(12:03):
and uh, you know, and then I have lots of
other feelings about Wan Pablo not kissing her, but I'm
sure we'll get to that lander. He was like eight six,
no kiss for you, yea. So they go and he
has an actual, real camera, which in this day and
age we haven't seen in a long time, and they
take a selfie and he goes, let's buy gifts or

(12:23):
Ben and Camilla. So he buys a little dress for
Camilla and a little hat for Ben and she's like,
oh my god, this is so sweet. Um, and he goes,
I can't wait to see her in that dress. She
looks beautiful. So she shows up and she did. She
looked beautiful in the dress she did. I was I
was excited about that. I was like, oh wow, because

(12:45):
those dresses are very pretty. And I was like, and
she's gorgeous, and I was that's kind of that was
my whole hope for hers. Yeah, I want her to
show up and I want her to be exotic and
in this sultry dress. She sat and me looking dress
And I want him, I want for them. I want

(13:06):
him to feel this like fire that he obviously feels
for the others she can not have and not have
it just be like, oh, we're on the same page
because you're a mom. I get presents for our kids
because I only see you as a mom. Yeah, I
agree with you. And she looked hot. I was so happy.
What did you think, Lorie, Yeah, no, I thought she
looked spectacular. I thought that he was. I've actually thought

(13:29):
that was really sweet that he said let's buy the
kid's gifts. But but I agree with Jerry. I mean,
it's certainly it was. It was just you're right, it
was a sweet move. I wouldn't minimize it. But yeah,
but it's not. It doesn't necessarily bode well for the
romance exactly. So they go in No One's in the
restaurant and they go to a table for two and
they have lanterns and um, and then they when they

(13:52):
sent the lanterns out later, it was really pretty and
they actually had a regular conversation. She talked, talked about
Ben's dad. They were together from the time she was
like twenty Uh. They were married from twenty one to
twenty three. She's a good example of what a like.
She liked him. They're still friends. Like it was actually
like a real conversation, which you don't see so much

(14:13):
on the show. Shocking to me. Yeah, and he goes,
you're an example of what a good mom is and
what I want. And she was super hot and like
blowing things. But like I felt overall like it was
a real conversation. Jerry, what did you think, Well, that moment,
that the moment that stands out It wasn't It wasn't
It was unique because it was a real conversation. Yeah,

(14:33):
but you could tell she just wants that kiss and
he when he does that moment where he like blows
on her face and she leans forward and closes her
eyes and he just is like leaves are hanging. I
was like kind of cringed a little bit. I felt
bad for her. I was just like, dude, come on,
I know and the coronavirus. Watching somebody blow on the face,

(14:53):
it was like, I'd rather kiss you than have you
blow on my face exactly. Um, what Laurie are you
gonna say? You had thoughts about the kissing, What were
you gonna say? You know, I mean, this is sort
of the part that's really annoying to me about wam Pablo.
It's that he has these weird boundaries with some people

(15:17):
and not others. He thinks that that, you know, kissing
or not kissing her is going to be an example
to his daughter, her son. Meanwhile, you know, they both
shouldn't freaking be watching the show if that, if you're
so concerned about it, and you know, I think it's
more that he's just not into her, and he's and
and the other thing that is so frustrating is that

(15:40):
he is making that kissing decision for her, right, instead
of speaking about what he would like to do, He's like, no, no,
I'm doing this for you. Yeah, I don't. I don't
want to know. What's he doing to mommy? Basically think
that because you're not gonna win, so I thought, and
and that's exactly right. And instead of letting her her
be sort of the arbiter, he is trying to decide

(16:03):
what's best for her family, and that to me is
just it's so annoying, Like she wants a kiss, If
you don't want to kiss her, fine, don't kiss her,
but don't say it's about her. That's why, Laurie, you're
a hunter, right, But that's why he's being disingenuous because
it isn't about Ben, it isn't about the kids. You're right.
The first time, he's not that into her. He's trying,
he wants to be into her. I do believe that

(16:26):
he likes the fact that she is a mom. They're
on the same page. I get that, but he's looking
for that fire. He's not feeling it, and so he
uses the kids as an excuse to sort of make
her not feel as bad, like, look, I'm just trying
to be respectful of your child, you know, because I
have a child too. And it's the real through line

(16:47):
here is towards the end of this episode, it's where
using the kids as a meat shield it becomes real transparent.
At one point it's like, Okay, I'm done, I'm done
with the with the kids as an excuse. Yeah, everything
wrong in your life or reasons to do or not
do something. Side note, Jerry, because it wasn't your episode.

(17:11):
Last episode, you get a one minute floor on your
thoughts on his date with Charlene in Korea. What did
you think of the date with your girlfriend Charlene? Okay,
what do I remember about that? I remember him making
her thing, saying, uh, he didn't seem to like it.
She's start saying. He's like, Okay, that's good, that's good,

(17:33):
all right, now come kiss me. I was like, oh,
all right, well, you texted me that you felt like
she was trying really hard to like him. I not
only feel that about her, I feel that about almost
everybody that he's connecting with. I feel like everybody's forcing
it with him. I feel like nobody really feels a
strong connection with him, and and there not really I

(17:57):
feel like they're forcing it. I feel like they're forcing
the connections for the camera. All right. Um, so we're
back with We're back with Renee, and he goes, I
like spending time with you. And then he pulls out
the rose and he goes, I'm so happy. And then
they had the kids with the lanterns and they did
to make a wish and throw it in the water,

(18:18):
and he goes, I want to kiss her. She has
a son. It's tonight, is not going to happen. Um.
I didn't like that. It's not gonna happen. I was like,
lies it up to you, dude. Yeah. Yeah. So then
they have Vietnam or they're at a group date. Can
you go with the flow, And there's all these bamboo
boats that are in circles, which looked fun to me.

(18:39):
That looks like that would be a date I could do.
And um, so Claire, as we learn from Kelly, the
shady dog owner who's she goes, well, Claire has no friends.
It's the one time Claire having no friends as an
advantage because she gets to be with Wampablo after he
tells everybody to buddy up and then they go off

(18:59):
into the re eads and he starts kissing her. And
Andy has pissed because she was like, well, it's like
we're on a one on one day in front of everybody,
and um, and I can see how that would be awkward.
What did you think of him kissing Claire in the
woods of the river? Uh? Jerry, Uh? This okay? Two things. A.

(19:22):
If I'm the dude in this situation, the fact that
everybody buddies up and then and she and nobody buddies
up with her, I see that as a red flag
for Claire. Yeah, I would I would be like, why
does nobody in the house like this person? And I
get that. She's like, well, I'm here for him, but
still you can be personable, you know what I mean.

(19:42):
I think I think she's better than Nikki, who I
really don't. I think it's very nice to him, but
she's awful to the girl. Well, Nikki in South Korea
was bad news. NICKI sucks. She was super negative. But
then Andy takes that mantle in this one. But whatever,
we'll get there. But this is another thing where I

(20:02):
think he sends everybody mixed messages where he goes, oh,
it's disrespectful to kiss on camera because our children. But
I'm just gonna make out with Claire every chance I can,
every chance I get in front of everyone on a
group date. In front of everyone on a group date. Also, yeah,

(20:24):
it's all how do I say it? It seems opportunistic
of him. She clearly to meet. Claire reeks of desperation
and cleanness and neediness, and her energy is so all
about him that he's like, I'll capitalize on that. That
means I can get some kissy time with this girl,

(20:45):
who I find attractive, easy peasy, like I don't have
to feel guilty about this. He clearly has bone or
fever for her, like he wants to do naughty things
with her, like yeah, but it's also guilt free. He
doesn't there's no like, well she doesn't have a kid
that yeah, yeah, you can tell he's super horny for here, Laurie.
I hate the word horny, but I use it on
the show. Laurie. Well, you know, I think, well, I

(21:09):
think you're right, Art, and Nikki was was disliked more
than Claire with this cast. I think the edit. You know,
Claire's edit is really bad. Um. You know. Interestingly, there's
there was an author who wrote a book about the
bunchlor who interviewed a bunch of former Bachelor contestants and

(21:31):
and she interviewed you know, from every season. She was
on our patreon. I think we did it on our patreon.
Oh is her name Amy? Yeah? Yeah. So there was
an author who who apparently interviewed all of these contestants
and she said that the nicest and the most charming
of the bunch was Claire. Apparently. Wow, okay, well I'll

(21:53):
tell you who's not nicer charming Nikki, who got the
one on one card and she's back at the hotel,
and she says I might not get a rose on
the group date, but that would just be stupid because
they always do. And I thought, well, if there was
ever any question of maybe I was wrong about you,
you just sealed the deal. You're like, you're hot and

(22:14):
you're a baby nurse, Like, why can't you just be
a little bit cool, Like just don't say that out loud.
Maybe you can think it, don't say it out loud.
What do you think, Jerry? Yeah, her her energy is
too intense for me. She's there's an aggressiveness to her
that I just wouldn't mess with. I just wouldn't. It's
too intense. Yeah. Even though I agree with Jerry and

(22:37):
that I don't notice any fashion whatsoever, that head scarf
that Nikki was wearing made me wonder whether she was
forgetting she was in the Bachelor, because she was channeling
like some weird Harold and Mod vibes or something. I
don't know what that was about you, I don't remember.
Oh my god, it was like a long scarf like head.

(23:01):
But that's the only fashion thing I noticed. Um. And
then they went on a group day, so they went
on there, so they they're Andy's getting super piste. And
then they go and they there is a gig gong
and they handed everybody a hat, a straw bowl, and
a knife and they have to go get produce and veggies.

(23:21):
And Andy's face was literally like poo face in the garden,
Like she looked like she just smelled like dogshit. She
was so pissed, you can say resting beefast. She had
full resting beeface. And then and then so he pulled
her aside and she's like, trust me, I feel calm
and at ease. And she was like okay, he said
trust me, So I'm going to trust him. I feel

(23:42):
so much better and like that that was so gross,
like hey, like hey, let's just have a little confab
over That's where it made it seem like this is
a game show. And she's like, hey, I just need
to know, like like you like me though, right, I'm
the one right, Like she doesn't read books, and she

(24:02):
puts people in jail for a living and she loves it. Oh,
she loves it. She loves I'm surprised she didn't ask
that family like right out the gate, like hey, where
do you keep your human cages? Do you keep the prisoners.
I'd like to go throw peanuts at them, but I
would like, don't make me read um. So then they

(24:23):
go and they go, and they stummle upon this family
and it's like they're gonna have a meal. It actually
looked delicious, and they kept asking if Claire was going
to try the food. I like how insular she is
of like, She's like, no, Like, I'm not gonna eat
that looked like veename food is so delicious. Laurie thoughts, well,
I mean, well, first of all, the you know, with

(24:44):
the wearing of the non Lahat's, the cultural cultural appropriation
is at a level ten out thread of that, um
you know Andy. I didn't like the way he talked
to Andy and he said, I I want you to smile. Uh.
I just felt so much. Yeah, it does that a lot.
The other thing that I thought was weird that maybe

(25:05):
you all didn't notice. I was wondering, particularly at that
lovely meal that you referenced. I was wondering, why are
why did the women take such small bites? Oh I
didn't notice that? Yeah, like teeny tiny bites like this
a good food. Take a take a Laura, and I
would definitely chowered out my when I back in the day,

(25:26):
when I lived in zach Alfanaca's closet, he used to
call me Piggy Smalls of the Notorious p I g
I Kenny, I can eat. I love food. I love
tacos mostly yeah, I love When we did the show
together a National Jerry, I would go with Kevin Farley
Tintaco places and just like we went, we would just

(25:49):
get like, we just would keep ordering. We would just
have like order after order after When you're trying to
keep up with a Farley and you're a young lady,
I can't even imagine, and I couldn't watch I could
keep up. I bet have you done? So? Kevin, are
the other Kevin from Still the King, Kevin Brennan writer
after who can also shout out. He can crush it.

(26:10):
He goes, as he would say, hard to the yard.
I just went on before this all happened, the lockdown,
I went on a l a taco truck crawl. Oh.
I would do that with you guys in a heart beach.
Done done, we can all go. Oh my god, he
knows all the best trucks. Where was the best one?
It's I can't remember, the name was where angels where

(26:33):
it was in front of a vans or something, or Ralph's.
I used to go to a muffler in a muffler
parking lot on Western after the muffler store closed, and
it was so good. I could go to my Instagram
and there was two trucks that would park in this
muffler shop. There was like one that had a long
line and one that didn't. You need to go to

(26:54):
the one with the long line. You need to do
another podcast on the Patreon called will You Accept This
Taco out with You? Yeah, I would totally do that.
Laurie I Deck I designed Laurie's house last year, and
we when it was like installation, the final installation weekend,
Lori and I had tacos all over Oakland, and I
mean it was such a joy. We would not be

(27:17):
eating it one if there were beans in the taco,
we would not be eating it one bean at a time. No, No,
you know I love a taco. Okay, so we're back.
So then uh, Molly starts she hates Claire and she
just goes, she starts making hers. She goes, I'm just
going to be Claire. Oh, I can't eat. She just

(27:38):
starts doing a clear impression, which was pretty funny. She
was just a girl that was like she has no
part in the show aside from to hate Claire really
and then he goes, hey, can I pull you aside?
Claire and um, and they basically they go there at

(27:58):
this cocktail party. He pulled Claire aside first, and he
takes up to his room and he's like, oh, I
have a pool do you want to go swimming? And
then she gets into a bikini at this cocktail party
group date and then they're like gone for like two hours,
soaking white, grinding in the pool. It seems so out
of place. I was like, what is happening? Where are

(28:19):
the other girls? Did not happen with Rachel the bachelorette?
Didn't she go like she want a Peter into a
Jacuzi at that? I feel like she boned Peter into
Jacuzi on a date, like a group date. Well, I
think the difference is that he took her, you know there,
there could be a group date around a hot tub,
but he took her back to his room. Essentially. It

(28:42):
was so inappropriate. It makes me think there's some especially
considering what happens next. That's there's some there's some handsy,
there's some handsy, noess happening the surface of the water.
He's enjoying. He's super horny for her, he's super like.
She's her clearly like letting him know that it's okay. Yeah,

(29:05):
green lights, there's a green lights. She's all green light
like I want to win this pal And I think
she's feeling it. I think she's super namp because she
doesn't seem to understand that. It's like in her mind
is just she's on a date with Juan Pablo. I
don't think she fully realizes she's in a competition, except
from when she gets crazy laser eyes when other people
go on dates, Like aside from that, it's like, yeah,

(29:26):
I'm just on the date with There happen to be
other women here. But like, do you think it's almost
because she you had told me that she wasn't she'd
never seen the bachelors, Laurie told me that is that true? Yeah,
that's what she said. I mean that sort of feels
like and she might have some glitch in her brain.

(29:46):
Well that's what I'm wondering, is I'm wondering if she
went on that first date in that first episode, and
then she got kind of pushed off to the side
and she went, oh and then like turned it on
like hardcore, like, oh, we're playing it. This is the NFL. Okay,
here we go, Like I'm gonna start throwing elbows. I'm
gonna just like find my opening. Like she's dodging and weaving.

(30:10):
She wants, she wants to go, she wants the trophy. Well,
he goes, this is my suite. You want to swim? Yes,
and then she does the leg wrap in the cold pool,
but they were like in their bathing suits, but they
warmed her up and she goes, oh, you're melting the
ice queen. And then he goes and then he takes
Charlene down to the beach. She goes, I feel like

(30:32):
I'm another face in the crowd again, and then she goes,
I want him to see me as a panta, as
a panda in a room full of brown bears. Charlene, Charlene,
I know that coinsides very well with her website, which
is all the pretty pandas she does her Bachelor recaps

(30:55):
on I'm surprised she's still even talking about the Bachelor
ever again. Yeah, well you know she's she was this
closeted admirer of the Bachelor like some of us. Yeah, yeah,
and so she, uh, she finally was able to go

(31:15):
on the show, but she, you know, had harbors this
love for the Bachelor. So it's that doesn't surprise me.
She has a website like that. But you know, Charlene,
with this particular scene, I wrote down that it felt
like at that moment she almost had more lust and
physical attraction for him than he did for her. I agree.

(31:39):
And she's very confused by it because it seems like
she's not she doesn't think he's that great otherwise, but
she has this this lust for him felt stronger than
he had for her. I agree with you on that.
I agree with you, Jerry. Yeah. The thing that I
took away from it is, I guess it's sort of

(32:01):
the flip side of what you're saying, which is she's
just not finding the mental connection there. Like she likes
kissing him. He's hot for him, He's clearly hot for
her and is our Laurie and I And she was like,
I want to be a panda in our room full
of brown bears, and I'm like, you are Actually they

(32:24):
watched it. I thought, Jerry and Laurie and Ry Aaron,
I'll see that banda everybody. Yeah, and he goes, he goes,
tell me what you're thinking, and she says, I can't
show you all my I can't show you all my cards.
That I felt like she was a little childish in
this scene. I felt like she he goes like, you're

(32:46):
so cute, and she goes, is that a good thing?
And I'm like, jeez, come on, like she's getting insecure.
She's getting insecure. Yeah. I don't know if it's insecurity
or if it's like I'm trying to be funny for
the cameras or what. But it was a little like
cringe e childish to me, Like it's like what eighth
graders would do, Like I don't know how to say

(33:08):
thank you when somebody compliments me, so I'm gonna like, yeah,
I don't know. So then um Andy. So he's making
out with Charlene after he's been grinding with Claire in
the pool exactly like I can't but God forbid. He
gives Renee a kiss because his daughter is going to
see it. Yeah, that's back and face with everybody, but
Renee it's Ben's fault. Yeah, so that he can destroyed

(33:35):
his soccer career as well. Yeah, the children are just
ruining all my game. So then Andy sits down on
the beach because I was so mad this morning, and
then and then she made his like a shitty face again.
He goes, and then they start and then then she
goes and then they I'm sorry, She goes, I was

(33:56):
so mad this morning. They started making out, and she goes,
here we are sucking face again. Sorry, mom, I would
have the phrase sucking face and so long. She feels
like the kind of woman that would say sucking face.
That's probably how she sees it. But I mean, but
this is this is the whole problem. Like this is
where I start to go. Everybody's we get it. Since

(34:20):
episode one, we get it. He's sexy, want Pablo is sexy.
He's the sexy Venezuelan, sexy man from sexy town, like
sexy Stocker family, and they eat sexy food, and it's
like I get it. Like now everybody's just forcing it.
It's like, well, we got nothing to talk about, let's
suck face. Yeah, I mean that's sort of the show.

(34:43):
And then so he gives the show kind of. So
then he gives Claire the rose, and Annie's pissed that
she didn't get the rose. And before we talk about
what it's about to happen, I actually do need to
run and use the ladies room. And I'll be right
back because we're about to get to midnight swim. I'll

(35:04):
be right back. The eagle is landed. Okay, we're back.
Hi everybody, Um oh, hi, here we go four it

(35:25):
it's four am, and Claire just doesn't want it to end.
She got the rose. It's her boocket list two swimming
wore the warm motion. This doesn't feel like a booty
call at all. It's just an innocent girl wanted to
go swimming at four in the morning and the waves
I want to do with one Pablo Ding Dong booty call.

(35:45):
Four in the morning, let's swim in the ocean. So
they run into the ocean and they're running in and
it's hot and they're in bikinis, and he goes Claire.
She's on fire, she's wild, and um She's like, oh,
we got a little while too. What a man makes
you feel safe? It takes care of you. I'm gonna

(36:06):
let go of all of my fears. We just went
for it. I don't regret it. It It was pure bliss.
I don't regret it. And um, I feel like a
baby draft. This is all new to me. I love Vietnam.
All right, Lorie? Did day bone in the ocean? Jerry? Well,
I think they did. Jerry, what do you think. I

(36:30):
don't think they did. I definitely think there's some handiness.
You don't think there was a little etiquette book of
just the tips happening downstairs. Maybe, but I don't know.
If you've ever been in the ocean, it's not the
most conducive to that type of thing. It's hard. It's hard,
that's what she said. No friction. There's a friction situation.

(36:55):
It's the sandy, salty water. I don't think you wanna okay,
all right? And it was jellyfish season as well, so
you know, here's the situation. Jerry. You're correct, they did
not hook up in there. And I'll give you a
little bit of backstory. So Claire, subsequent to this season

(37:17):
over you know, many years later, repeatedly has insisted very
adamantly that absolutely nothing had happened, and in fact, that
production ruined and edited one of the greatest moments of
her life. The reason why it was one of the
greatest moments of her life was that she had never

(37:38):
traveled out of the country. She had never felt warm water.
She wanted to feel warm water. While the girls were
partying back in the hotel room and she was going
to go down there, they didn't want to, you know,
the girls didn't want to go down. So production said, oh, well,
why don't you go knock on one Pablo's door. Uh,

(37:58):
you know, he's up. Apparently she then realized he wasn't. Uh,
And they wanted to sort of create the scene and uh.
And so they went down in the water. Uh, you know.
She the water was pretty strong, and so of course
they were holding each other and they made out. Whatever
they got out of the water, they sat on the beach.

(38:18):
And then, however, many months later, it turned into this
huge ship storm because it was edited and made to
seem like something had happened when absolutely nothing had happened,
and she was completely taken aback uh and uh oh.
And the reason why it was one of the best
moments of her life is that not only had she

(38:38):
not visited outside of the United States, she had suffered
from severe anxiety, and she was at this moment in
her life where she wasn't having an anxiety attack and
she just wanted to enjoy the water, and production sort
of took that away from her in the way they
edited that she's crazy. I'm sorry, I just don't. Let's like,

(39:00):
I just need to feel warm water. It's four in
the morning, and I did. It's like like, if you
wanted to go make out with the guy on the ocean,
does admit it? That's fine, there's nothing wrong with that. Like,
there's a lot of it's crafty. She's crafty. She's definitely crafty. Uh,
and she her demeanor makes me she's gonna be if

(39:21):
she isn't already the Can I talk to the manager
like she's that yes, yes, yes a manager, Yes, yes, yeah,
you know that she you know she switches every room
she gets at a hotel, Like I'm sorry, this is

(39:44):
I have a courtyard view and I specifically wanted a
city view. Yeah, it's that whole Like, well, I'm not
I've paid a lot for this and I'm not here
for the women. I'm here for one podlo. I wanted
to swim with a jellyfish and feel his wagn that's
a good title for the episode I talked to just

(40:07):
that really sums up who she is. I think you're right, Anna.
Do you think she has that clastered on smile? And
do you think she can I talk to the manager lady?
I mean yes, I'm sure there's been any words of
a hundred managers who have had to interact with her face.

(40:29):
Side note, and this will be because we're airing these,
we're sort of stacking these up because we want to
get them done before listen to Your Heart, which I
can't wait for. I was dreading it, and now that
coronavirus has head, I'm so excited for it. Um. But
so this will be airing later. But so there's breaking
news that Lori sent us that Hannah and Tyler Tanna

(40:52):
who's taking Tanna's nickname, Tyler and Hannah are no longer
quarantining together. And she went to her parents It's house
in Alabama. What's the skinny, Lorie and Anna? Well, they
apparently have morphed into Tanna. So maybe we should ask
Anna because they've turned into you, Tanna. What do you
know about it? Um? I don't know a lot, but

(41:14):
I guess. Yeah, she left I feel like a lot
of them have dispersed out of their little quarantine crew,
which is what you're not. But once you pick a
quarantine crew, you're in a like it's like it's your
buddy system. That's who you picked at the beginning of
the dance. Also, she should not hang out with a
bunch of young people and then go hang out with
her parents. Like that's the worst thing to do. Yeah,

(41:36):
number two. Uh, speaking of bad quarantine example, tell us
about pilot Pete and Kelly the lawyer Lorie. So they
were in Chicago along with Dustin. Actually, I know, it's shocking.
Who's adorable? Uh, And you know he was giving her
a piggyback ride and then they were, I don't know,

(41:56):
trying to create competing TikTok videos against that's my assessment
against Tyler and Hannah again not observing quarantine at least
Hannah and Tyler try to make it seem like they
cared about COVID nineteen somewhat, But clearly Peter doesn't give

(42:17):
a ship and so he's holed up with Kelly still
in Chicago. Um, well, the I'm not clear clear if
he still is or whether he was working and then
just had a fly over there. Um, but they were.
They definitely spent you know, a couple of days together. Wow, Okay,
so here we are. We're back, And so Jerry, you

(42:40):
think they didn't do it? I think, Anna, do you
think they did it? I guess not according to Claire,
which I don't feel. Oh, you think she's lying. I
don't know what. I think. Guess shouldn't have been. If

(43:00):
they didn't, that was not a big deal at all.
And if I see the reason I think maybe they
did is because they were making such a big deal
out of it. But you were just floating in the
ocean like your daughter has never seen you. It was
just yeah, and again, like LORI said, your daughter shouldn't
be watching this anyway. If that's if they didn't do it,

(43:23):
Why is that different than what he did in his
private pool earlier in the night. Why, like, unless something,
unless they went too far according to him, Why is
it any different than what he just did in his
private plunging pool. Yeah, I feel like something different From
a narrative standpoint, it's only different because she she keeps

(43:48):
stealing him and keeps getting one on one time with him,
when all the other women aren't. But he film but
he stole her at the cocktail party. Yeah exactly. I
mean he's constantly just using one excuse after another. You know,
he doesn't want his daughter to see but that. But
yet he took her away from the group date to

(44:10):
go to the suite like it was her fault. You know,
it was a mutual decision. He's completely gaslighting her height hard.
So we'll get to that because the way. So for now,
clarisis on cloud nine and Nikki has a crazy hair
braid and today could be the day to change her
life and she hopes it does. And they're going to

(44:30):
Marble Mountain and um, and I gotta tell you it's
they're going to a cave called hell. You want to
see me if you want to like speed up a
panic attack and you want to watch me like like
actually lose my ship. Bring me on this date. Every
day so far, I'm like, I am so claustrophobic and

(44:54):
that I'm like, how do they get out? When they
repelled down into this cave. I wouldn't have done it.
I wouldn't have made it through. I would have rather
bungee jumped. I would have rather done that crazy thing
on top of the building, which I didn't want to
do in Australia at all. But you're doing making me
go down into the earth into a cave. How are

(45:14):
they going to get out? Jerry? Would you have done
the state? No? I would have been terrified. Yeah, great,
I don't. I didn't like it. First off. I was
impressed that she did it. I was like, Wow, that's crazy.
Like Chelsea on the bungee jump, which I would have
gladly done. I would have been nervous, but I would
have done it too. But this like stepping backwards over

(45:36):
a cliff and walking back into a hole into a
I don't trust my hands that much the rope and
you can't see the end, and how are you going
to get up? How do you get out? Yeah? I
would be sort of petrified, like I would not be
a good Navy seal, not being good at a lot

(45:59):
of things. There's a lot of things that Laurie, would
you have done this date? This is totally my jam?
This looks look so much fun. But my favorite quote
was actually what Nikki said. I think perhaps of the
whole episode, I either live, I die, or I poop
my pants. I I Yeah, I thought it looked super fun. Well,

(46:23):
she also had on a little Chuck Taylor sneakers which
have zero traction on that we had no traction, and
and the and the Vietnamese dude is offering no reassurance.
He's just move your foot, move your foot. And at
that point want Papa was like, Okay, I'll go first,
like he was making Nikki go first, and then he

(46:44):
was like I'll go first, and then she was freaking out.
He was sort of sweet with her. He kissed her
when they were hanging. They made it down into the cave.
It was really beautiful, but like, again, how do you
get out of there? I don't understand where the exit
is once you get out of the crazy hell cave. Well,
you know, the one thing I will say, even though

(47:05):
I would have loved this date, um, the last thing
I would have wanted though, halfway down is a kiss.
Like what like, stop stop kissing me? Uh like why
are we kissing halfway down? You know? Do it down
there or not? Not hanging from a rope. But yeah,
it looked super fun. Um, not quite sure how. I'm

(47:26):
sure they just climbed back up. Yeah, I mean it
looks like the only option. I mean how if you're
not a rock climber, how do you get out? How
do you climb up? They probably just pull you up. Yeah,
you probably just clip in and then they just pull
you up. They walked out. There was like, remember they
went through that weird exhibit of all the like art

(47:46):
and then they just walked out of an opening to
the light. We don't know that. I thought that was
will you google it? The hell cave and they're still
there to this day. Oh my god, he has it.
And there's a hook and if you see the hook
on your window. Um, okay, So then we have they

(48:07):
have a date and they're in another cave that looked
really beautiful, and they had dinner and he goes, she goes.
That was quite the view today, wasn't now for somebody
who sucks so hard with the other women, she gives
a great date. He wouldn't know that she sucks. He's
she's great with him, She says, I didn't get much
restless night. Um. Uh, she's she went to nursing school.

(48:30):
She's a caregiver. She's proud of her job. They're helping
her too. I mean, like she's not an asshole around him. Um.
She goes, why kids, there's an innocence. I hope just
being around sick kids, even when they're the sickest, they're
joyful and it warms my heart. They have such huge
hearts and uh, and she goes, I've thought a lot

(48:52):
about what it would be like to be a step mom,
and I feel like that we would. I have a
lot of love to give and um, and I would
be willing to take on the cast. And he goes,
I like nicking the nurse, and I feel like I
stuck a finger in a light stocket. And I really
feel like she's going to win. And that's what I
want to say. I think she's the winner. Jerry thoughts, well,

(49:13):
I wouldn't disagree with you. I I yeah, he I
think she has the combo that he's looking for her.
Her intensity translates, like you said, into a good date
where she she actually kind of says some stuff of substance.
She's a nurse, a baby. He would feel safe with

(49:36):
his daughter being with her, and she doesn't have her
own kids yet, so like he's like, I could be
a step mom. I've thought about She actually gave a
thought to her, which is like good yea and she
is very like she when they were kissing and it
kind of panned back and you could see like her
legs and that dress. I was like, yeah, she's kind
of hot. She's hot. She's hot, and she's intense and

(49:59):
she wants to you there, and she seems to be
happy and into it. I think you might be right.
I don't know, and he says, he says, this is
a potential wife right here. I don't know who would
beat her like I don't because I don't clear winds,
because we know that she doesn't win. So right, and

(50:19):
Andy just likes I think he would rather a nurse
than somebody who puts people in cages for fun. Yeah,
I agree with you, and I renee. He's friends zoning
and although when we do get to the rose ceremony,
I think I think a couple of gems went home
this time. But we'll get there, okay, okay, So le's
take a quick right. I don't know about you, but

(50:44):
things are getting so hot I think I gotta take
and we're back. So the women show up in gowns
on a boat, which at this rarely pretty restaurant with
all these lanterns, I have to say Vietnam most beautiful
and it made me want to go there. But the
women showing up and all like, all of them, like

(51:05):
a boat full of like pageant queens was amazing and
three people were going home tonight, right um, and he
goes uh and he said beforehand, Nikki his potential wife material.
So then Claire gives a toast to finding love, being love,

(51:26):
and making love. And I just wrote down Claire fucking
the ocean. One thing we didn't I don't think we
correct me if I'm wrong. That did we touch on
when he gave Claire the rose? That was he already
gave it to her. That's why he gave her the right.
Do we talk about that? We can? We we we
said that the Andy was pissed, but we can talk
about it right now. Yeah, no, no, no, no no no no, yeah.

(51:48):
I just yeah, he just likes her. He likes her,
and I don't get it. I don't get it. That's
that's what I texted you about. When I was watching
South Korea. I was like, I'm not liking he super
and I'm kind of weirded out that she's going to
be the bachelor. Well, it's interesting that I'm like, I
feel like he's said a lot of really foxy choices.

(52:08):
And it's interesting that, for whatever reason, Claire erotically rings
his bell the most. And I don't know why, but
I don't he's the one who he is. Honestly, I
think it's her eagerness. He's like, I don't have to
work at this, I don't have to say anything. I
don't have to pretend she's just game. But he's really
like beyond that, like just like I feel like any

(52:31):
of them would like I feel like Cat would have
been eager, like like he he wants Claire. He likes
her lips. He said that. I was like, aren't they injected?
Like yeah, um, not that there's anything wrong with that,
not that there's anything wrong with that. So so Andy, Um,

(52:51):
he goes, don't be serious. I believe Anna texted me
while she was watching this that Andy seems depressed. Is
that correct? Anna? Did you text me that? Yeah? She
seemed really sad. I don't know, but she's not doing well. Sorry, sorry,
Well you know she's actually on a prescription of two

(53:11):
milligram zola. Now I'm just kidding. Oh my god, she
just filled in the pharmacy feels the brass. She feels
a little buggdah. Yeah, she's tough for her um, well,
she's not throwing people in uh. And then she's used
to being the hottest lady in the room. She's used

(53:32):
to she is not used to that. The my read
on it is she keeps making out with this guy
and he keeps giving someone else the rose and someone
else the one at one time, and she's like, this
is weird, Like I'm not getting the reassurance that I
normally get, which is her sort of whole narrative during
this time, is like why she goes to him in

(53:53):
the in the fields when they're tilling the fields and
she's like, tell me, I'm supposed to be here. Yes,
So I know. Anna just texted us the pictures. There
is a staircase to enter it. It actually looks pretty.
I could walk in and out of that. I could
go all that way. I think that I was reading.
The staircase is a little tough because it's a little

(54:13):
like jaggedy rock, but that's what they came through. They
just lowered into it. Yeah, I don't know. I don't
know if they just did the extra lowering to be
like dramatic but it feels like it's if you have
enough tourists going there, it's hard to lower everyone in.
So there has to be like another LORI whose body
did you say that he's into? What are you talking about? Claire?

(54:39):
But all have rocking bods. I feel like I feel
like Andy's is rocking. Sorry, sorry go ahead, no, no,
go you go ahead. I don't even talk about no.
I was gonna say, because I just remembered Jerry brought
up the fields. Um Cassandra says, I wish we had
stuff like this in a man America And I was like,

(55:02):
oh boy, wait, wait do we just have migrant workers
on them? You don't know where what is going on
in this country. It's because rich white people would never
work in a farm like that. She said that. I
was like, oh, she is so twenty one and unaware.
She's just like an NBA dancer that. I was like, oh, honey,

(55:24):
we have fields of vegetables that people work. It's a
tough thing. Yeah, but Anna, I think I like her.
I wish we could go till them. You can. It's
not like you can't wait, you can, yeah, you can, totally.
I'm I'm being an idiot. You can if Jerry, if

(55:46):
you went down and you're like, guys, this is my
new gig um working down here, we'd all be like, wow,
he is so bored Strawberry Field. Uh So, then we
had Andy's being serious is and she goes, teach me
a little Spanish, give me a little kiss. Then they
do that, and then um, he goes, I won't kiss Renee.

(56:10):
I treat you different. I don't want Ben to be
pissed at you at all. But then she's like hmmm,
and then they do kiss. Jerry, you have the floor.
It was a good moment. I liked the moment. She
loved the moment, and it speaks to what Laurie was
saying earlier. You know, she was like, look, Ben know

(56:32):
he's eight. He knows. I told We talked about it
like I'm a grown up. Stop treating my son like
a meat shield, Like, stop blaming my son. If you
don't want to kiss me, don't kiss. And then he
just does it. And I was like, yes, girl, that's
how you get it. Then it just seemed like not
the best. She was happy it happened, but it seemed great.

(56:57):
There was no Charlene kiss, but but that but they
don't kiss right, She and Charlene kiss like guppies. Charlene
kisses like she's in an Oscar movie or you know,
I and I know you guys love Charlene and I
know she's I don't know, like she's like kisses like
a baby bird is getting fed. Yes, she kisses like

(57:19):
she's she's been starting desert and somebody has offered her
like a guppy. It's like a guppy. And now with Renee, though,
if I can just say like he had the weirdest

(57:42):
timing where she just basically, you know, called him on
his bologny and said, you know, I need to make
this decision. But then he lurched towards her like he
was Dracula and wanted to like like suck her blood
or something. Out of the blue, He's not duck. Yeah,

(58:03):
I beg guess because she was like all right, I'm
not into it, like fuck you, Like like he was like,
oh you gotta stand up to me. I like a
feisty woman. But it was almost like he felt obligated.
It was like there was no feeling like he was,
you know, the Dracula and he just get the blood,
get it done, get done it was it was get

(58:23):
it done. It was like, fine, let's do it. Go
get it done. So then he goes, maybe I made
a mistake the other night. Was it fair with Claire
in the ocean? I wouldn't pull about Claire. It was
a little weird for me. It's not fair. There's ten
other people. It wasn't right. What happened happened already. But

(58:45):
what what? She goes, Well, I was thinking what I do?
It was just me and you. He's like, but that's
I'm just trying to be as fair as possible. It's
not about how fair for you. I have a daughter,
and that's not nice. That's not nice. She goes, uh, look, listen,
that wasn't my intention to do she spend your daughter.

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I feel stupid and embarrassed. No, it's not okay. And
and you would have been you know, I didn't want
to say, oh, Claire's all excited about this because I'm blindsided.
We had this mutual feeling in this ocean. You were
on board with everything. And then she was so ashamed
and he goes, she goes, I didn't mean to disrespect

(59:26):
his daughter, and then um, I just and then she goes,
I feel like you want to take my rose bag
and he goes, why don't you? She goes, why didn't
you say no? And he goes, I didn't want to
take the emotion away from you. And he goes, if
he didn't think it was right, he shouldn't have done it.
And then she starts weeping. And then she comes back
and she goes, my allergies are awful. He was totally

(59:51):
down to go. It was horny for her. And then
he was like, oh, I guess I shouldn't have done that.
I'm gonna blame Claire and say I didn't want to
do it, but I didn't want to hurt your feet. Yeah,
she outplayed him in this moment. He was going to
pump the brakes on her and be like, hey, just
so you know, you know, he was kind of trying

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to be like, look, you're getting a little but I
you know, hey, I'm gonna use everybody else around me
as a meat shield, like just so, I'm trying to
be fair. So don't get all, don't get too clingy,
don't fall in love too quick. I'm trying to be
the good guy. And she's like, well yeah, but and
she makes the good point where it's like in my

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mind there there isn't anybody else. I'm playing it like
it's just me and you, and if I feel like
being with you, I'm going to be with you because
ostensibly we're trying to find our mate forever or forever person.
And then he's like, yes, but that is not the situation.
And then he goes like this, he goes, but that
is not this situation. Um, for example, I have a daughter,

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and I went enough, you cannot say that one more time,
no more, no more. So I I completely am with you, Jerry.
I mean, I'm so over this. Excuse over it. I'm

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completely over it. You know. First of all, he's telling
her to stop crying and look at me, look at me.
He used it, and he used it like a like
a like a punishment, like a squat on the hand,
like yeah, I have a daughter, Like get ahold of yourself,
I have a daughter. Yeah, he was slept shaming he
you know, he could have She's absolutely right. He could

(01:01:42):
have not come out. Um she has you know, since
said she doesn't even have a daughter, and she wouldn't
do that. You know, she was shocked that he all
of a sudden was acting so weird over a non
event in the ocean. There's nothing to be ashamed of, Like,
so what they're kissing? Why is she watching the show? Yeah,

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he humiliated or he made it about Claire, and you know,
I'm just completely over. And in fact, this is starting
when you know America at this time two weeks ago.
You have to recall he made the homophobic comments, and
it's slowly building where he's gas lighting and slut shaming

(01:02:24):
and making it about the other women and using this
daughter as a grudge. So he's slowly digging his grade.
Is when people when this is slowly when people are
starting to turn on one Pablo. Yeah, yeah, it happened
so quick for me, like he when he went, for example,

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I have a daughter. No, you are off, like you're awful,
you're being stop using your daughter as an excuse two
be mean or to be insensitive or I don't even know,
like it was just it was his tactic to shut

(01:03:06):
her down. Yeah, and she didn't. She didn't play it.
She was like no, I'm and then she granted, she
gets a little hysterical in a way that's like you're
jeopardizing your time here. But I think she was kind
of right to do it like you you were on board.
I she like when she was like, I want to

(01:03:28):
go swim in the ocean, he was like, let me
get my trunks. I'm going, yeah, I agree with you.
He at her point of well, then why didn't then
either it is not calm, like I don't get it
like and he was like, my daughter, Camilla, she ruined
my soccer career. I shouldn't have. Yeah. So then he's out.

(01:03:50):
She's crying. The pictures are out in the frames that
Katie mentioned earlier in the season. They're out like old school,
which they don't do anymore. He's stereo them on a
pier one on a pier one a dresser and he
cuts Ali, who looks like Andy Molly the dog lover
who hated Claire and adorable Danielle who never said one word,

(01:04:13):
and he starts crying over them. And then we see
Ali getting spanked on a water buffalo by its tail,
and the trailer Jerry, you have the floor. I think
Ali is the better Andy. I was like, why is
Andy who is just sort of um not conniving, but

(01:04:34):
she's she's sexier. Though she's sexier, I don't think so.
I think Ali sexier personally was adorable. I think he
did the wrong thing. I think Andy is is sort
of I don't know, she's got a hostility the whole,
like I jail people. I don't know. Maybe there wasn't
much to Ali, like, we don't get much time with her,

(01:04:54):
didn't have any CONSCII I don't know. I I was like,
I find her more attractive. She felt like, yeah, I
liked her too. I thought she I would have kept
her around in Danielle it's the smoke show. Danielle is
a smoke show who didn't say one word. Yeah, but
she's just no drama. So they, you know, get rid

(01:05:14):
of her, and it's just like, what a bummer you're
getting rid of? Gems the dog lover? Fine, beat it,
beat it? What do you think glory? Yeah, I mean,
I I agree. In the subsequent interviews, they said, yeah,
we just didn't create any drama. So he didn't. He
apparently didn't want to have any part of us. But yeah,
it's it's that it was weird that he was so emotional. Um,

(01:05:39):
I didn't quite understand that. I didn't either believe that
there was a lot more to their interactions that they
actually showed that was bizarre. My friend's ex husband used
to cry a lot, and she said that that's like
the move of a bully that bullies cry, like then
you have to go deal with them, like it's a

(01:05:59):
manipulars tool. I didn't know that. I've never dated a
guy that cries a lot, but apparently Peter this season
Captain Captain Tears of Pants. Did he cry a lot? Yeah,
he was always crying. I know he loved the criers.
But yeah, apparently it's like that, Like sometimes it's a
manipulate It can be guys that cry a lot or

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people that cry a lot, like it's good to cry
sometimes obviously you're human beings, but like people who can
turn it on, it can be like a bully move
because then like you're almost like defenseless against them. Yeah,
that's how it seems to me. It seems like I'm
doing something bad, but I have to show everyone how

(01:06:40):
broken up I am over Yes, like it's just an act.
It feels fake. It's I don't buy it. He has
no attachment to them. It's it's it's a manipulation. It's
to further ingratiate himself to the women that are staying. Um, Katie,
what did you think of this episode? I thought it

(01:07:00):
was I thought it was pretty good. I mean, it's
been interesting to watch. Just how different is I really like? Um?
I really like Renee. I think she's just so normal
and cool. Um. I liked the cave. I would go
in there. I think that would be cool. But yeah,
and that was a fun episode. It seemed like it
was a fun and they were fun dates. You know.

(01:07:23):
What did you think about Claire and the ocean? Yeah?
I think I guess maybe they didn't have I don't know.
I was remembering back to when I first watched it,
and I was trying to think did they have sex?
And like did I think they had sex then? And
I kind of think they did. I think maybe they didn't,
like fully have sex, but like something happened because he

(01:07:46):
got so weird about it. Like I kind of agree
with you, where like why else would he act like
that if something didn't happen. Mm hmmm, Anna, what did
you think of this episode? And what did you think
of the water and where how are you feeling? And
would you have gone in the cave? Um? I probably
would have gone in the cave. I wouldn't have liked

(01:08:08):
the whole like weird hell motif. Once I got in there,
it was kind of creepy. Uh. I would love to
get an interview of Camila today and be like, did
you ever watch this? Did you give a funk what
your dad did? And she'd probably be like no, I
was like three, and I don't care. It didn't compute
to me that that was my dad in the ocean probably,

(01:08:30):
and that one Pablo is an asshole. She Camille would
have been like, oh, I remember everything, I remember ruining
his career. When I came out of the no way
she was computing any of that information like, oh, yes,
so my father. She was devastated. Now, Jerry, don't click

(01:08:58):
on the off button. Well we're done here, But where
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(01:09:21):
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(01:13:07):
How has it been for you rewatching this season? Well,
you know, I I've been actually really enamored by the location,
so that's been a real joy. I am appreciating that.
I'm starting to garner a bit of um hatred towards
Juan Pablo because I feel like I need to direct

(01:13:30):
it somewhere. So I'm feeling good about that. And uh
and yeah, I look forward to the rest of the
season and chatting with you all more. Well, it's been
fun since we are all locked up to see like
world travels. I'm like, look at that. That seems human
contact and it feels like it's a hundred years ago.

(01:13:51):
Oh my god, it feels so I happen to be
I'm not even exaggerating. This truly is the highlight of
my week. So thank you guys. There was one point
in the episode where I think it was Renee got
something on her face and he was like, oh, let
me get there fort and he like blows on her face.
You know. I was just like, oh my god, you
can't do that. What are you doing? No, you can't

(01:14:13):
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(01:14:36):
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(01:14:56):
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It's over there at the page page. Yeah. Um all

(01:15:19):
you guys, well, will you join us next week? Jerry
and Laurie? Yeah? Great? Who do you think it's gonna win? Jerry?
I say, NICKI the nurse. Well, we know it's not Claire,
and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna Lie. I think
you might be right. I think it's Nikki because I
just think she she fits the Bilt, like if you

(01:15:42):
were going to cast the winner, Nikki. I feel like
Clara's number two. I feel like Claria's number two, and
I feel like Andy probably gets boned in the fantasy suite. Wow,
you don't think Charlene makes it a fantasy suite like
Charlene might like rocket herself before the how so, um,

(01:16:04):
you didn't see the preview of her crying. Oh no,
I don't. I stop it before that. But man, I
would do everything in my power to make sure she
made it. Yeah, I know, I don't think she I
don't see her. I don't see her going to fantasy
Suite and being willing to give it up. And she's
classier than that. Yeah, I need a trashy broad Yeah,

(01:16:28):
all right, don't I need a Victoria. Don't click off, Katie, Anna, Laurie, Jerry,
what a joy. We appreciate your listeners. Stay safe out there, Laurie.
Do you have anything you want to say? I want
to say, stay home, save lives. Put cloth covering over
your face if you go out, And none of these

(01:16:49):
socially distancing cocktail parties, uh, block parties, group workouts. Just
hang out with the people who live in your household
or by yourself and we'll get through it together. That
sounds great. All right, you guys see your next week.
Oh yeah, I want to get all up and get

(01:17:10):
any good. I just gotta wanted to blush. You figure
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