September 16, 2024 • 42 mins
Welcome to the Wise Wealth Podcast! In this exciting episode, host Sam welcomes Tom Allen, the founder of the AI Journal, for an insightful discussion.
Tom introduces himself and shares the mission behind AI Journal, an open-source publication dedicated to exploring the practical applications of AI in various industries. Currently attending a conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Tom provides a fascinating glimpse into the advancements and discussions taking place in the AI and data sectors.
The conversation delves into Tom's journey from a marketing background to founding AI Journal, highlighting the evolution of his interest in AI and the innovative projects he's encountered. They discuss the potential of robots in everyday life, touching on health and safety applications, and the ethical considerations of AI in society.
Sam and Tom explore the future possibilities of AI, from household robots to AI-driven personal assistants, and the implications of these technologies on the job market and daily life. The episode also covers the role of platforms like LinkedIn in growing AI Journal's audience and the potential of other social media channels.
Tune in to this episode for a thought-provoking discussion on the current state and future of AI, robotics, and their impact on our world.
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So, everybody, welcome to the Wise Wealth Podcast.
Thanks for everybody for tuning in. It's nice to be back. We've got an awesome
guest on the show. We've got Tom Allen.
Tom, if you can, can you please introduce yourself to all of the listeners that
are on the Wise Wealth Podcast? podcast.
Yeah, man. Thank you for having me on, Sam. I really appreciate it. It's awesome.
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We've brought up to a saying before how we spoke before and spoke for a couple
of years, I think, about what we're doing. So to come and speak to you on the show is awesome.
But my name is Tom Allen. I'm the founder of the AI Journal.
We are kind of an open source publication in terms of having different voices,
different opinions on to really tell people the use cases, examples, ways AI works.
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Works my view is that sometimes news
can not really delve into the specifics or information that
should actually help users and businesses whether you're
someone that's trying to find out more around topics like data and cloud
and AI through to a business trying to understand what
can you do with your data how can you make your product better how can you serve
your customers faster and better all that kind of
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stuff and it's um yeah it's been a good journey so far so
I'm excited to i'm super keen to sort of explore where
that sort of vision came from but i think let's start off
with where where on earth are you in the world at the moment right now
i'm in riad in saudi arabia so i'm here for
a conference which is put on by the saudi data
and ai committee and it's a
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really important time for them here with what they're doing
what they're building some remarkable speakers people from like boards
of sit on the board of meta fruits of people in the united nations so just to
see that vision and to see use cases which is a big thing people want to see
at the moment i personally want to see and i've probably given a bit too much
context but saudi arabia yeah that's pretty awesome that's pretty awesome so
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you just decided one day i'm just going to go there was you invited or you just
for i just want to know more about the.
What they're talking about what they're implementing well it's
kindly invited but it's been on my mind to come out here for a while similar to
other countries in the middle east they really are doing remarkable things so
i got the invite through and thought that's something i'll tape
so it's yeah beautiful country and really really interesting
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they go big on these kind of things so it's a lot yeah they don't they don't
i don't think they hold back on anything they do really do that they're just
like even you know we obviously are talking a bit different but we know even
we talk about like the boxing they're just like yeah we want to see this fight
name your price and off we go there we go there we have it.
So what is your background in AI or is it more that you, you know,
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what, what's, I don't want to put words in your mouth.
Where did sort of the vision for AI journal come from?
Yeah, it was, I'm not in AI. So, or I wasn't, I mean, I am now and I'm seeing
more and more kind of things to look at.
And obviously my knowledge on the area has grown quite,
quite remarkably due to the nature of the business, speaking
to people that are leading a lot of these whether that's a chief data officer or
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a leadership team decision maker for cyber security
whatever the topic is my background has always
been marketing so marketing and i was marketing for an agency prca
and then i went to an engineering company and that's where the kind
of light bulb switched and when i was in that role that's when i started
ai journal in the background and had no intention to turn
it into what it was and it was just generally something that excited me and
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got to see a lot of computer vision systems a lot of and we
worked on a lot of projects that i'd have to market or was part of
the team that was marketing it to big customers and you'd
see a lot of a lot of physical stuff so you wouldn't
see much the software side you'd see more the hardware so you'd see
things like fanic robots and piecing together doors for
jlr making the machines for for greg's
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to make the sausage rolls and stuff all those kind of things uh like the throughput
systems for hermes and that's where it led me down this path and obviously the
hardware side probably that's what i'm seeing more of at the moment with like
robots coming out from tesla and boston dynamics and several others that have
been showcased here that i saw yesterday.
No you saw boston dynamics was it their new one that
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was to compete with the tesla but was it or not no it
wasn't atlas atlas is very impressive i mean they've got two versions
so they're there but they have sports the sports a little dog and they have
one of those and i've got picked i'd leave you right next to watching it gear
around and there was a competitors one that was there also which is more for
like health and safety on like oil rigs and stuff so it's more of a vision system
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whereas boston dynamics are in my opinion much further ahead because they're.
Competing on two fronts they're competing from the one you mentioned that can
pick and roll and do athletics and all these things yeah
place and spot which can do carrying and
is much more smaller in terms of how it works like
a dog so it can get in very narrow positions and
we're actually listening there's a great episode on lex
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freeman show with mark story but who is the
ceo of it and he was speaking yesterday so it's really cool to see
that to see that vision but yeah so i i bet
there was so many military generals just sat
in that row watching because i've looked
at those and they're doing crazy flips they're doing absolutely everything
and i sit down and
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think it's not going to be long until they are soldiers that's that's
probably one of the downfalls i think for it or even
just the ones that are just carrying all of this stuff whilst the
soldiers are actually out you know what i mean like helping but it
seems like we're getting very close to that i'm very
interested in how the tesla obviously i'm wearing a spacex t-shirt
but i'm very interested to see how the tesla bots
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and how they actually compete against each other
in regards creating those robots because i know that elon was saying that he
reckons that that that tesla robot eventually he plans on building a billion
robots and using basically all of his background of of creating these mega factories
to be able to produce them for twenty thousand And I just sit there and I think,
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no way, like.
I think, you know, when we start looking at iPhones now and they're starting
to get to like 1600, I think, was it Huawei Mobile just did a three trifold
phone and just launched and it's like 2600.
You're basically saying that's a tenth of a robot that can basically go around
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your house and do whatever you need it to do.
I just think we're going to be entering a new era of crazy capabilities and
I've got no idea where it's going to stop.
I think it's absolutely fascinating to think that my son
who's four when he's an adult will have robots
just doing stuff for him i just think it's a weird yeah
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you love would you get one for your home would you get one
to roam around and do your daily tasks and or help
you with i don't know you can send them out into the world by the sounds of
things like who yes who wouldn't i mean you know i think that they do they from
from what i've seen like version one they're like It's like they're like half
the speed of a human in their actions.
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But at the end of the day, if they're not sleeping and they've got so much stuff
and capabilities, you know, they've got 24 hours and they can just,
if they want to stand there folding clothes for 24 hours, then that's amazing.
But yeah, I think it does, you know, I think there was a report that AI could
take away 40% of manual labor jobs.
And I think that's quite disturbing in regards to how that, how that looks. Yeah.
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You think of a cleaner, right? A cleaner's probably paid 25k a year.
You could buy a robot for 20 and the scalability is just done.
That would be one of the first cool businesses, would be actually a guy that
comes along and says, do you want us to come around and clean your house?
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And he's got 10 AI bots and he's doing it.
It's just got more trucks, back in an hour, whatever.
Whatever exactly because people can afford the sort of
20 25 quid an hour to have the bot in house but
they can't afford the bot of 20 grand that'll probably be the case and it's
like that'll be you know and you can start seeing that side of things and it's
it is it is freaky i mean i saw the video of them handling the eggs and cracking
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the eggs and stuff like that and i don't think we're far away now from doing
i mean you tell me you saw it firsthand yesterday how was it.
Yeah i mean there's lots more it's really interesting
points you're making like what they're going to be able to do and
how much regulation we put on them so they can't do
that work it's like the classic one with the tube like
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the tube could all be automated if you wanted like you got it with dlr there's
no reason why it can't be across the whole tube network because you'd have
strikes and god knows what else so people do put things
in place to stop to stop those situations unfortunately i
guess and fortunately in another way there's like they're always
double-sided stories or double double-edged swords and yeah
i mean they can do a lot i mean the plate people jump to a
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lot of areas where they think they can be doing things but then they miss the
real important areas like health and safety and that's that's what a lot of
them are drilling into so if you people don't i'm not saying i'm not speaking
for everyone i'm sure there are people that want to be put in high intense risky
situations for whatever reason whether you get paid more or whether they just
like i don't know whatever it is but it's.
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These are directly, I mean, the spot one, they were showing an example of it
getting into Chernobyl, which obviously people don't want to do.
They've shown it getting into reactors in, was it Fukushima,
where the tsunami happened, and all different things, like on oil rigs,
so going up and down stairs.
It's very dangerous because you're dealing with high explosives and all different
kind of things that someone will tell you. But yeah, you can do all the cool
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stuff. I've seen it from picking up.
There's that one which is powered, I forget the name of them.
Uh if you just type in open ai robot it's powered
with chat gpt and that was one that did the rounds a couple of
months ago and that's obviously talking and it's like doing the dishes
and throwing trash away and that's very real and
that's like they are that's what optimus is going to do and you think
the charge time on them as well is getting faster and faster
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so it's like now elon is trying to make teslas
so you don't even have to plug them in and they just charge on like charging
pads and they've got like the rights to it
i think and they're going to use it for the robo taxis when i
was reading the article i think that's why i think like tesla in itself is like
it's heavily in my opinion overvalued right now but soon as you start plugging
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in robots and those robots can plug directly into teslas it's like you've just
flat cabs are gone because.
You've just got like the most efficient thing on the roads and
i don't know it's pretty wild to we
even think about it i sit and i think as a kid i i had
a vcr i remember going to school with the cd tape in my pocket and i could hear
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it grinding which meant it was the wrong way up you know all of those simple
things and now robots yeah it's it's crazy like some of the things you see and
i don't know some of the things.
As innovative as you might think like i mean
there's a classic thing grand iphone just released all its new updates to
me it's nothing amazing like i mean it's got apple intelligence
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and there's doing certain things and i think there's some
aspects of what we do like there's certain trades that just won't be that impacted
by it that you just still need to do but there's a lot of things behind the
scenes like software wise and i mean you look at large language models and then
the small language models coming along and different compute power.
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These are what powers the robots. So people need to remember,
like it's still a long way to go in my view, but everyone likes to overemphasize
how close they are to the next revolution.
But there's plenty of memes where it's like what we thought we were going to have by 2020.
And it's not where we actually are. It's like, yeah, it's not quite there, but it's awesome.
I think you're probably talking like the next 20 years should be the back end of that.
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I think you'll have sophisticated robots like like
the will smith movie hopefully not with that
crazy ending but you know that's the
problem isn't it it's our generation that will say now i won't
have that because i'm scared of what could happen because we've all
grown up with will smith's i robot the terminate
all of that stuff and so we've got this negative vision of
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what's it called sky coming what the
company's called in terminate you know it's something sky isn't it sky guy
sky net yeah sky net where they basically take over and
is there's a lot more of these videos and coming out
now about the movies coming out now about the dangers
of ai and you got those that that small ai kid that can just destroy the world
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and things like that i don't think movies sort of world is really helping it's
sort of like you know it's going back to jaws day where no one will go in the
ocean because of jaws we're getting that same sort of vibe now with ai but give
it another generation or two generations,
then I think those guys will be like, I don't know what you're on about. This is amazing.
There's loads of things.
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I'm trying to think of it. I think it was Dennis Habib or one of the big names.
They were talking about, I think he talks about it on the Diary of the CEO podcast.
And I don't really listen to that one, but I watched that one.
And it was, oh, it's the guy that does Soul for Happiness. So forget his name.
I'll type it in quickly. but that story is mad because basically a
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mogat he's a brilliant like engineer used to work at google and all these places
and brilliant thinker like really great book as well and he was basically telling
the story of how he basically saw this tennis ball and they had this picking
machine and the robot couldn't i don't know if you've heard this but he couldn't pick up the ball.
And they were looking at it and obviously it runs off back of
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like machine learning deep learning all those kind of things to pattern recognition
and they were kind of laughing at it and there
was like 20 robots in there and i fact checked me on the story but
the base of it is that there was x amount of robots in
there and one was trying to do it and it couldn't pick up the ball it couldn't grasp
it but because of how fast these robots learn by monday
this thing this was on thursday that he said he saw it by monday all
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the robots were picking up the balls very very quickly and it's
like that's how quickly they learn like how to do something and it's
like and you you you compound that through different things yeah
it's an interesting world it does especially if
that's connected to like the cloud so when they go and charge they
upload what they learn and it goes into the network of all the
other robots and those tasks will then become familiar and
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it'll be like uh you know this is how this robot
did it this is how this robot did and they create like a structure around
what that go-to method is i think that would be that's
pretty insane because it's that's like a collective isn't
it it's almost it's always you know you have
like thousands of people doing the same task in different
ways and then they all download that knowledge and
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create one way of doing it in the best efficient way and i think that's what's
that's what's nuts is you know in iRobot when you see that robot running and
it's literally getting that person's inhaler and giving it to them and it's
like that stuff could happen the health and safety one do you know what is really
interesting because i don't know who i.
Was involved with but i was involved in a conversation around this are
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you telling me the health and safety on the oil rigs it's like it notices gas
leaks and whether or not there's anything coming out
from them is that is that what they were demonstrating
were they yeah so they were demonstrating that one
they demonstrated through video i mean what they'll be doing and people can
find on youtube i'm sure if typing boss and dynamics and example videos but
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it's with spots and exactly that so i don't know to what degree it can spot
things but it can do inspection checks and things on like ships or containers
or things that are hard to get to.
It can do all that kind of stuff because of its vision system and the battery
life is really good. I think it's like.
An hour and a half it takes to power up and then you can get
maybe four hours of runtime out of it so you can do a lot
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of like that kind of routine stuff and obviously
the big thing is how how it can recognize everything so it'll have much more
memory so although we can make which is the big thing with a big argument or
the argument there's a big point around it that we can make very cognitive context-driven
decisions which robots can't but what they can't at the moment and that's That's
why ChatGPT is getting scarier, scarier,
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or more insightful around those kind of things.
But you could think like they will be able to machine learn patterns,
send that back and then read it. And then they'll know what to look out for
and maybe what to start with.
And you can do all sorts from this chapter.
I remember seeing this. It's like the next stage is the AI merging with quantum physics.
And that's like that part there is the next stage.
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Because I remember I was talking to a guy that's investing into these cameras
that are going onto oil rigs, and the cameras are using AI to pick up what does the fumes look like,
whether or not it's a safe amount or whether or not it's a risk,
and then reporting that back to the control room.
And I think that stuff is very interesting in the aspects of looking at from a safety control side.
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And i think we're probably closer to that stuff now than
we are of having the walking and the moving of the robots and things
like that yeah they're definitely coming man what
is your what is your son think about it all like is he old enough to understand
it or what's the kind of like as a four-year-old not really but he keeps telling
me is i was like what do you know what it's very interesting because i don't
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know if i thought like this when i was a kid because i don't think those options
were around but you know i there's that conversation of he's like dad can Can you play with me?
And I'm like, just let me finish up doing the dishes and then we can go out
on the bike sort of thing.
And he goes, when I'm older, Dad, I'm going to make a robot that can do that
for you so that we can play more.
And I was sitting there thinking, hmm, you're probably not wrong.
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I was like, you're probably not wrong that that's going to be there when you're an adult.
Whether or not I'll be able to run about and play with you is a different matter,
but depending on how long it takes to get to that stage.
But I think that might bring it back to its core of what it is.
But I think the risks are where it starts getting into
the route of like policing and stuff like that of when you know
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you have those you know because ultimately if you as a if you as if you had
the capability why would you have white police officers who are going to get
injured when you could have my robot but where does it start and where does
it stop and who's who's the one that's going to be in control of that is the
big question I think at this moment in time.
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I was just going to say I'm always curious about that because people seem to miss like or,
or it seems to be missed i don't know if people do but just a general topic
is that whatever the younger
generation are doing is what's going to come up with them into the
next wave so i always think like from photos i
can't see any videos of my parent like they're
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very old and very hard to view and you
know there's not many of them and the photos it's all still in photo things and
one of my mates the other day he was like converting vhs to
mp4 and time it took to do all of
it like to video and you think like they're gonna
grow up seeing everything cut up like from 20 onwards pretty much
whenever an iphone got placed in my hand and it's like it it's it's
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bizarre and like vr at the moment people are like slating and i'm like go speak
to any 15 year old they are not always but there's a good chance they'll know
someone or they are interacting through either augmented reality or virtuality
through gaming or have something pushing them and it's um it's like those people
are eventually going to become the 40 year old ceos and whatever.
And you know it's it's always interesting to watch
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those trends because you think that yeah and you think as
well like everything that you you know you
you base your relationship with your family off of what your memory
is and so i don't remember what i did with my dad when i was a kid whereas if
that's documented on instagram and social media i can go back through and be
like but you know what that is awesome that he did that or that was fun that
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we did that i don't i don't know i don't recall doing that but that looks so
much fun and so you can literally go
from birth to where you are and have full history of
those moments of of what what it
was like from a memory and they're never going to go anywhere so
you know like now if if my grandparents pass or whatever i don't have those
video memories that i can go and look at but on social media i can go back and
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that person will never be gone and yeah you'll always be able to see it which
is really strange but also i don't think we're actually probably far away from you know chat
GPT's latest update is now that it's got the memory storage capability.
Yeah. I've seen it. When you put something in, it goes memorized on top of a
little clip or something. And it's like, exactly.
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You're like, so now I'm learning from this and I'm going to save that for a later date.
Now, I don't think we're probably far away from this, but maybe 10,
20 years down the line of where, you know, my son could go into chat GPT and be like.
Answer this as if you was sam based off of
all the inputs you've had over the last 20 years with my dad
yeah what would he say or suggest in
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this situation and that is an interesting aspect
to look at and i don't think we're far away from that we're
not we're not definitely not like what you're able to do all that
kind of thing i think people forget as well to your point like what
these models are doing that you're seeing at the moment they're getting
used a lot for on a big use case case i'm seeing is summarization so
like the consultancies are very big on using it and you can summarize important
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metal like it's in apple intelligence summarize email so it's
importance and all that kind of stuff that's what people
want so they want faster but the next thing is it's the
mark towards i mean loads of people from there was
one that i caught in particular mark cuban spoke about
it with how small language models are going to work and it's
i kind of blew my mind like it's really basic concept but
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then when you look at it that is your own personal agent so one
of you in the family it's like having a family whatsapp group and
you'll also have your own group with that ai and it
will be able and that's what meta is essentially building at the
moment like meta ai although you can't get it in the uk and europe
because of the regulation policy at the moment but people in america
are saying like how powerful it is like and it's you basically
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just got a personal bot that to your point will
remember everything and the power of that is just constantly learning
constantly learning constantly learning and that could be it could lead
you to do something quite bad or and persuasion.
And influence but more so which i which i'm a thousand percent sure is the way.
It will go is you'll make much more better decisions and it will almost be like.
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Any sort of coach or best friend all in one and i mean that kind of stuff have you seen that movie of,
is it i don't know who's the actual actor in it actually i think it's called atlas.
That would jennifer lopez i think so yeah where
she's basically in the big sort of like robot and
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it provides and it's ai and it goes through it gives her
all her options of what's the best thing to do and i
sit there i think i actually think that's going to become so much
more of a thing like yeah we've got like ray
bands and stuff now where you chuck on some ray bands you can see your
text messages and your notifications and things like that but how
long until you actually sort of like have an earpiece or something
like that and it's fact checking
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what someone is saying to you in real time and
providing suggestions of exactly what what
your options are you know it's like if you
was to google something or my son does it all
the time and walks dad what's that flower and i'm like i don't know
let me get google lens out and i'll take a photo of
it i'll be able to tell you and i do that but ultimately it
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won't be long until it's all in tune with us
and you don't need to ask the question because you
know it straight away so the power of knowledge just
goes through the roof i think it's i think it's really interesting to
see where that where that lies i've seen like the latest
one at the moment is chat gpt plugging
into zapier and then plugging into your email so when an email comes in the
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zapier gets sent to chat gpt to create a draft reply and it puts the draft into
your draft folder and then at the end of the day you go through the drafts and
if you agree with it, you click send or you amend it accordingly.
And obviously each time it's memory saving again. So it will then improve on doing those answers.
So you don't need a PA, you don't need the support or anything because it's
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all answering as if it was you, which I think is just...
It is crazy. It's getting to that stage now where I'm a bit concerned, you know.
I was looking at it from a podcast point of view, and because I've done so many hours of podcast,
I can upload all of my podcasts and it understands my voice,
my tone, all of the words that I use, and then it can basically go and create
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an entire podcast audio without me even saying a word.
Yeah, it's nuts. It's like the fake one between Steve Jobs and Joe Rogan.
It's like, what the fuck are you watching? It's like, how is that possible?
Like, and it's so well-timed. It's like, that would fool people. Like it's, yeah.
That's the next, isn't it? That's the next question is, you know,
how does this, you know, when it comes down to media and, you know,
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AI journey, how, how do, how do we know that your articles are not written by
AI or at which stage are they?
Because I was talking about this. I basically said, you know,
what the simplest business model is to do is to go and hire someone who's very
good writing code around AI.
And pull 10 different news
are 10 different news outlets take all
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of their news and create a an article based
off of the same information written from 10 different angles
and get a non-biased article push it
and you don't need anybody writing it it's in real
time because they're all doing all of the work and you're getting the
actual news of all sides of the story rather than one and i don't think we're
probably far away from that either yeah it's a different time it's it's interesting
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to see like what they're going to do and just how they're going to work i mean
people jump to like all the the the speculation things but it's um.
Yeah, it kind of gives me goosebumps when you hear like what you're saying and
what other people are saying you're seeing in businesses now.
And your point about media is super important because it's how do you,
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like, I don't know if I'm against AI writing stories.
I'm not too sure. I mean, my view is to always try and stick to the information
and let people make up their own mind.
And I mean, that's why we don't really do fast news-based stories.
It's to try and give a deep dive into something and say, hey,
we're not looking at trends, but they're more explorative articles.
Calls like this is what it might or may not mean for your
business like but it is really important for wider
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news organizations but also just like how
business is a process and information because if you don't like the big thing
is context and i think that's where everyone points to saying you know people
that they're very they're not close at the moment with contextual ai it's this
in my view at the moment one of the most important topics because if i send you something and you
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email me or you email a customer and a
replies within 10 seconds i know it's full of shit
it's like i'm just looking at something that's templated it's like i i know
what's happening and it's like or you get like some spam email through or and
those are the things that people miss and i think salesforce is an example of
a company when i went to their summit back in june they're they're doing incredible
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things and there are companies that are really doing that
kind of prompt decision-making.
So it doesn't do it for you, but it heavily influences your decision because
through that, if I remember someone's birthday or remember they're going out
for dinner or remember to invite them to something,
I always think you can sell a shitty product to a great relationship and things
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like that can really help.
Yeah, it's a really interesting... And one thing I don't like as well is how people say.
Or how there's the view of a general topic
about how something how ai is
bad or risky or all these things like
everything in the world's got risk like even going out your front door to
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go get milk like you might there's all sorts of risks that can happen and
i think right through to more grand schemes but i always use the
analogy like if you put me in a pilot seat and told me
to fly a plane of 200 passengers i'd freak out i wouldn't have a
clue i'm doing what button to press and i think it's very similar to
to ai at the moment and i think i think
a lot of it i see i when i'm actually in it and looking at
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projects i don't really see any kind of
and i just i don't know why just to clarify i don't see any kind of bad views
like i see things where it's got it wrong but it's all for a very optimistic
better vision of the world is what i see and i'm always trying to find the other
part but it's hard like everyone wants to do better like it's like a natural
human instinct you want to do more want to do better Yeah,
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I think the only thing is that the shift of power is another aspect of it.
Because if you just take it from a very basic level of these Tesla bots,
let's say they come out with 50k.
And they're very good at doing lots of stuff, then ultimately it's going to
be the rich get richer again, because they're not available to the lower income
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bracket individuals, right?
So it's like, you know, if that person then has that, it's what can they do with that?
And again, likewise, you look at Amazon and I don't know, I don't blame them.
Like the amount of people that
are working in the manual labor in the factories and things like that,
how many people put their back out how many how many of
those people then go and claim against the business you know
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they all need sleep they all need food they all need
breaks robots don't and robots aren't going to sue so
it makes natural sense for the business to do that but
we are going to have a large amount of people in in the
workforce that aren't you know aren't
worth being able to do what's that you've just pinged over it
was relevant to what you were saying it's um this little article that came
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out two days ago and it got reported by guardian and first post and
a few others but this to your point must becoming or
apparently i mean you can't see the future but he's on track if
he goes at his current rate to become the first trillionaire and it's to your point this it's
a really important point to consider because it's how much power do you give
to those people how much influence do you give to those people so a hundred
percent and let's be honest he's negotiating with governments right now to provide
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wi-fi through his his satellites which we've i've I've got Mi Hub, which is SpaceX.
And, you know, it's amazing.
Yeah starlink yeah is it good i've never actually heard
about that one yeah amazing absolutely amazing there's
like no downtime there's nothing probably on
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average like 100 meg upload and download and
it's really straightforward i mean
i've never seen anything like it so when you think about
that as well it's like in that space people aren't valuing
him and his businesses based off of that but i think they're
the largest now in in parts of america in providing
this yep and and ultimately look what
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he did he managed to turn on wi-fi for ukraine yeah
it's incredible you know he has huge governmental sort
of control in that sense and when
you look at sort of fiber optic companies that are trying to compete
they can't why because he's
the one that owns the rockets that send them up into space so he
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has the right to charge whatever he wants for access to
space and ultimately when you're
doing fiber optics you've got to dig up roads the installation
time is ridiculous all he's got to do is go oh there's
another person added to the satellite connect and that's
so the scalability side for him is just huge
so not only i mean he he's got to
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be an alien of some sort like i'm i'm convinced that he's
there's got he's not human he's you
know there's a part that's got to be like really i
mean you know the guy made like paypal he made he made
tesla he's made spacex you know he's starlink you know there's very few and.
Far things that he's not been successful at but they're all getting to that.
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Stage now where they're all going to be required and it's like you know when
you start thinking of starlink well how does starlink come into tabs with robots.
Well, if they've got a receiver on it and they're outside walking about,
they can connect straight to it and it's like, there we go.
He's got that side of things. So I think there's lots of different avenues.
I think, yeah, that article, unfortunately, you just sent is probably correct
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in him on path to being a trillionaire because...
If he manages to achieve in the next 20 years, he's got huge, huge guns.
And I think if Trump gets in, in, in the white house as well,
then I think that him being allocated the contract to set up a moon base is heavily likely as well.
So I think that will play a big part into the future of the success.
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But I think, you know, other governments like China and Russia will be shit
scared that, you know, he says that we are making a moon base.
Because i think he probably is the only person on the planet
right now that has the capacity to be able
to do that yeah well it's incredible man it's
um it's a really good way of thinking about it because
i mean i go back to it if like the
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amount of like people and businesses that are
doing better they wouldn't be doing better if people weren't buying their products
which i always think it's like they're only they're only
becoming worth that much because i've got a better product and it's a really in
my head a really simple equation it's like if you have better products i think
you should be rewarded for a better product by earning more money and
all those kind of things like i don't really shit on anyone
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for earning the most that they can possibly earn
whether that's a million a billion or a trillion like whatever it is and it's
it's interesting because i mean if you read the book on it walter isaacson's
book on it as this is incredible you're like looking at mindset and you're like
my god it almost gives you like a headache of thinking how he can operate at
that speed like you were getting to but it is true you think about how different ways that integrate.
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And or or build into other
products but in my view i'm like he can supply
that to me is very valuable it's like you can have
your bad say about people like that not just him but other people that
get slated a lot but it's like at the end of the day they are doing you
know half gone or whatever like
a very powerful piece of work that's empowering a lot
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of people like taking education to africa so that can that
continent can you know power become a better thriving
economy it's like who doesn't want that like it's it's incredible
yeah honestly i tell you what the next move
he's got to do is just to point mr beast and his sort of
philanthropy side in in 30 countries
with his ai tech and it's a whole new it's
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a whole new game changer you know yeah very interesting so another thing i've
noticed about ai journeys you're a bit of a linkedin wizard so tell me a little
bit more about that because i looked at ai gen it's got something like 125 000
followers or something on linkedin is that right or is it more than 139 i think,
And how on earth have you built an audience up like that from your publication?
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Because that's awesome. Yeah, thanks, man. I really don't know.
I kind of just went with it. It's something that grew. But I don't know.
If I had to put it down to certain things, A, I've got a great team that do
a lot of the content for it.
I mean, Darshini's a rock star and people like that and people like what we put out.
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But I think it's not being so serious about it and just having fun
with it and also just really trying to get people's
feedback like not in the sense of using surveys for
anything other than just queering people and do things from my
role and i wish they i would linkedin is a bit of a terrible platform
in my opinion like it's not very good in the way that it it builds new
products and they try things that other works on social platforms and
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they fail like they're the only one that i've seen kind of work is
a new video feed where it took it from tiktok and instagram and
you flick through and you keep scrolling videos but i mean business
related articles people's time span isn't quite there
as seeing your next destination or what
you know whatever floats around on instagram and tiktok but yeah
it's more just putting out fun playful content i
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think and really just engaging the people just to
speak to them and it is a lot of legwork like i remember in the early
days but i i think we grow about 150 to
200 new followers every day at the moment and at
one point it was like three times that much but i mean we're really are you
doing it are you doing it as a newsletter are you just you've got a company
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page and you're doing it out as posts what's uh what are you sort of focusing
on yeah both of those i mean every every avenue we can we can publish down we'll
publish that so it's it's really important.
And i mean it's where a lot of our audience is so it's served the right
row and they serve you know it's a good authenticator for
us and there's a lot of interesting people from various different
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backgrounds that follow us from very big companies right through to you know
people that are just starting their journey but publish as much
as you can i mean we're really trying to find our next platform i mean you've
got a big following on instagram and to build those
up i i'm always curious how you do that because
you think like we've done it with linkedin and i don't
know if there is another platform for us at the moment my big one that
i was telling you before is email because the power of that and especially creators
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emails suits the business like it matches what we do as a business i'm not too
sure like we tried instagram and tiktok i don't know how they would relate to
our business i'm saying there's not a way and i'm sure we can scale that just
as quickly as well once we find the right answer
yeah have you tried x yeah sort
of i like x i think it's got a lot of potential obviously it's a lot of jip
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at the moment but i think to your point earlier which is a really great point
is how he's integrating it into other things like into other businesses and
i think he's got the knowledge how to build paypal they're already getting all
their licenses for fast payments and all those kinds of things.
And I think in my view, Meta is doing a really good job because they are looking at other products.
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I don't think Friends is any good from what I see, but they've got other things
like the meta sunglasses.
They're going into physical products, which are going to be really powerful
because compared to the Apple Vision.
And I know the Apple have said, or there's rumors that they're going to be bringing out glass versions.
But yeah, you tell me, how do you see it? Do you see different platforms for
business compared to personal or branding?
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I think Instagram is about
viral content and you have to have dedicated people
doing it on a day-to-day basis and it's got to be
sort of constant you cannot you
cannot let off that trigger you've got to do one video every single day without
regardless to you know one in five will go slightly viral gain a few thousand
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followers and then it makes it easier on the next ones and it's sort of like
that sort of flow i think like london daily news it's done amazing
on Instagram, to be honest with you.
I was, I was looking at it the other day and it's, it's more like British culture.
What's, what's going out there on, on the reels.
And when I looked at it, it's got like 4 million, 4 million views in the last 30 days.
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That's really awesome to have that across multiple channels as well. It's, it's brilliant.
Yeah. And I'm suppose, I suppose you're using majority of the LinkedIn audience,
which drives to AI journal as well right yeah so
we take we get fairly good web traffic which is
always important and then I mean our grander view
is to turn AI journal into more I
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mean I think media is going to struggle basing their business
models just off advertising I think it's a really important point that
I kind of flare people up against because I think in media
you've got two angles you can either get subscriptions which if you
look at any of the big ones they're all turning to subscriptions very fast and
i don't see that as i can't understand i'm
not saying it doesn't exist and the model won't exist i can't see
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how that's scalable and advertising i think is very hit and
miss in terms of what the market's like what products
coming out who has the money to spend on that exact publication
uh so we're trying to turn it more into a data intelligence company
to understand and be able to turn that but
i mean that's just my personal opinion but you're asking yeah
we drive a lot of traffic through that
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i mean linkedin my personal profile i get maybe on a good month three million
views on my personal and on the business one maybe around a million give or
take but some months are obviously hit keeps you busy how big is ai jr now how
many how many sort of like is there is it just yourself is there multiple people behind the wheels.
Yeah so we've we had a really terrible year last year but we're back to five
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people now and or technically six
with one coming in with rich coming in helping us in the financial with.
Like an interim cfo uh basically telling me not
how to be money or with the business's money which
is really uh helpful at my stage yeah five
five six of us so five full-time six with
the advisor position yeah that is awesome awesome no i
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absolutely love it i think ai journals is i think what you're
doing is crazy have you ever thought of expanding outside of that
and doing a second one or anything in that area
quantum maybe yeah quantum quantum i think
quantum is one you know i think that is you know
that that that breaches the gap i think that's the
next thing no one's really talking about that or really understands it on
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on a scale and i think you know
once that becomes sort of retail like chat gpt did and people start seeing power
of it they'll be very like you know sitting there going how on earth have we
never utilized this i think it's a that's a big step i think that would be awesome
yeah man well quantum computing is i don't know
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how applicable it is to like a general user
but it's it's i mean it's what's going to
get us to space travel and solve a lot
of diseases and a lot of problems because the compute behind it and the way
it can solve a problem is just i don't but i don't think there's many i don't
know what's the right word i don't think there's many general public use cases
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so it doesn't have that attractiveness it's very you'd have to have a lot of
money to be involved in it but it will be for.
The high high rollers in the commercial space but
i don't know maybe i love how you've done it as well like gone
from one aspect because i never knew it from
the financial way to looking at london news so
i don't know that's a good question what to what to do
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next because i've always wanted once you've done it replicate and
grow right you could you could go to the
next one honestly tom i think it's been awesome having you
on it's been a good discussion just learning a little bit more about your background
what you do where you see ai going i think we could totally talk for hours on
it so i appreciate honestly i appreciate your time coming on and thanks for
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joining us yeah likewise man love what you're doing and i appreciate the time
today it's awesome to come and talk about these things thanks a lot cheers.
So, everybody, welcome to the Wise Wealth Podcast.
Thanks for everybody for tuning in. It's nice to be back. We've got an awesome
guest on the show. We've got Tom Allen.
Tom, if you can, can you please introduce yourself to all of the listeners that
are on the Wise Wealth Podcast? podcast.
Yeah, man. Thank you for having me on, Sam. I really appreciate it. It's awesome.
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We've brought up to a saying before how we spoke before and spoke for a couple
of years, I think, about what we're doing. So to come and speak to you on the show is awesome.
But my name is Tom Allen. I'm the founder of the AI Journal.
We are kind of an open source publication in terms of having different voices,
different opinions on to really tell people the use cases, examples, ways AI works.
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Works my view is that sometimes news
can not really delve into the specifics or information that
should actually help users and businesses whether you're
someone that's trying to find out more around topics like data and cloud
and AI through to a business trying to understand what
can you do with your data how can you make your product better how can you serve
your customers faster and better all that kind of
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stuff and it's um yeah it's been a good journey so far so
I'm excited to i'm super keen to sort of explore where
that sort of vision came from but i think let's start off
with where where on earth are you in the world at the moment right now
i'm in riad in saudi arabia so i'm here for
a conference which is put on by the saudi data
and ai committee and it's a
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really important time for them here with what they're doing
what they're building some remarkable speakers people from like boards
of sit on the board of meta fruits of people in the united nations so just to
see that vision and to see use cases which is a big thing people want to see
at the moment i personally want to see and i've probably given a bit too much
context but saudi arabia yeah that's pretty awesome that's pretty awesome so
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you just decided one day i'm just going to go there was you invited or you just
for i just want to know more about the.
What they're talking about what they're implementing well it's
kindly invited but it's been on my mind to come out here for a while similar to
other countries in the middle east they really are doing remarkable things so
i got the invite through and thought that's something i'll tape
so it's yeah beautiful country and really really interesting
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they go big on these kind of things so it's a lot yeah they don't they don't
i don't think they hold back on anything they do really do that they're just
like even you know we obviously are talking a bit different but we know even
we talk about like the boxing they're just like yeah we want to see this fight
name your price and off we go there we go there we have it.
So what is your background in AI or is it more that you, you know,
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what, what's, I don't want to put words in your mouth.
Where did sort of the vision for AI journal come from?
Yeah, it was, I'm not in AI. So, or I wasn't, I mean, I am now and I'm seeing
more and more kind of things to look at.
And obviously my knowledge on the area has grown quite,
quite remarkably due to the nature of the business, speaking
to people that are leading a lot of these whether that's a chief data officer or
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a leadership team decision maker for cyber security
whatever the topic is my background has always
been marketing so marketing and i was marketing for an agency prca
and then i went to an engineering company and that's where the kind
of light bulb switched and when i was in that role that's when i started
ai journal in the background and had no intention to turn
it into what it was and it was just generally something that excited me and
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got to see a lot of computer vision systems a lot of and we
worked on a lot of projects that i'd have to market or was part of
the team that was marketing it to big customers and you'd
see a lot of a lot of physical stuff so you wouldn't
see much the software side you'd see more the hardware so you'd see
things like fanic robots and piecing together doors for
jlr making the machines for for greg's
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to make the sausage rolls and stuff all those kind of things uh like the throughput
systems for hermes and that's where it led me down this path and obviously the
hardware side probably that's what i'm seeing more of at the moment with like
robots coming out from tesla and boston dynamics and several others that have
been showcased here that i saw yesterday.
No you saw boston dynamics was it their new one that
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was to compete with the tesla but was it or not no it
wasn't atlas atlas is very impressive i mean they've got two versions
so they're there but they have sports the sports a little dog and they have
one of those and i've got picked i'd leave you right next to watching it gear
around and there was a competitors one that was there also which is more for
like health and safety on like oil rigs and stuff so it's more of a vision system
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whereas boston dynamics are in my opinion much further ahead because they're.
Competing on two fronts they're competing from the one you mentioned that can
pick and roll and do athletics and all these things yeah
place and spot which can do carrying and
is much more smaller in terms of how it works like
a dog so it can get in very narrow positions and
we're actually listening there's a great episode on lex
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freeman show with mark story but who is the
ceo of it and he was speaking yesterday so it's really cool to see
that to see that vision but yeah so i i bet
there was so many military generals just sat
in that row watching because i've looked
at those and they're doing crazy flips they're doing absolutely everything
and i sit down and
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think it's not going to be long until they are soldiers that's that's
probably one of the downfalls i think for it or even
just the ones that are just carrying all of this stuff whilst the
soldiers are actually out you know what i mean like helping but it
seems like we're getting very close to that i'm very
interested in how the tesla obviously i'm wearing a spacex t-shirt
but i'm very interested to see how the tesla bots
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and how they actually compete against each other
in regards creating those robots because i know that elon was saying that he
reckons that that that tesla robot eventually he plans on building a billion
robots and using basically all of his background of of creating these mega factories
to be able to produce them for twenty thousand And I just sit there and I think,
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no way, like.
I think, you know, when we start looking at iPhones now and they're starting
to get to like 1600, I think, was it Huawei Mobile just did a three trifold
phone and just launched and it's like 2600.
You're basically saying that's a tenth of a robot that can basically go around
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your house and do whatever you need it to do.
I just think we're going to be entering a new era of crazy capabilities and
I've got no idea where it's going to stop.
I think it's absolutely fascinating to think that my son
who's four when he's an adult will have robots
just doing stuff for him i just think it's a weird yeah
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you love would you get one for your home would you get one
to roam around and do your daily tasks and or help
you with i don't know you can send them out into the world by the sounds of
things like who yes who wouldn't i mean you know i think that they do they from
from what i've seen like version one they're like It's like they're like half
the speed of a human in their actions.
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But at the end of the day, if they're not sleeping and they've got so much stuff
and capabilities, you know, they've got 24 hours and they can just,
if they want to stand there folding clothes for 24 hours, then that's amazing.
But yeah, I think it does, you know, I think there was a report that AI could
take away 40% of manual labor jobs.
And I think that's quite disturbing in regards to how that, how that looks. Yeah.
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You think of a cleaner, right? A cleaner's probably paid 25k a year.
You could buy a robot for 20 and the scalability is just done.
That would be one of the first cool businesses, would be actually a guy that
comes along and says, do you want us to come around and clean your house?
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And he's got 10 AI bots and he's doing it.
It's just got more trucks, back in an hour, whatever.
Whatever exactly because people can afford the sort of
20 25 quid an hour to have the bot in house but
they can't afford the bot of 20 grand that'll probably be the case and it's
like that'll be you know and you can start seeing that side of things and it's
it is it is freaky i mean i saw the video of them handling the eggs and cracking
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the eggs and stuff like that and i don't think we're far away now from doing
i mean you tell me you saw it firsthand yesterday how was it.
Yeah i mean there's lots more it's really interesting
points you're making like what they're going to be able to do and
how much regulation we put on them so they can't do
that work it's like the classic one with the tube like
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the tube could all be automated if you wanted like you got it with dlr there's
no reason why it can't be across the whole tube network because you'd have
strikes and god knows what else so people do put things
in place to stop to stop those situations unfortunately i
guess and fortunately in another way there's like they're always
double-sided stories or double double-edged swords and yeah
i mean they can do a lot i mean the plate people jump to a
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lot of areas where they think they can be doing things but then they miss the
real important areas like health and safety and that's that's what a lot of
them are drilling into so if you people don't i'm not saying i'm not speaking
for everyone i'm sure there are people that want to be put in high intense risky
situations for whatever reason whether you get paid more or whether they just
like i don't know whatever it is but it's.
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These are directly, I mean, the spot one, they were showing an example of it
getting into Chernobyl, which obviously people don't want to do.
They've shown it getting into reactors in, was it Fukushima,
where the tsunami happened, and all different things, like on oil rigs,
so going up and down stairs.
It's very dangerous because you're dealing with high explosives and all different
kind of things that someone will tell you. But yeah, you can do all the cool
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stuff. I've seen it from picking up.
There's that one which is powered, I forget the name of them.
Uh if you just type in open ai robot it's powered
with chat gpt and that was one that did the rounds a couple of
months ago and that's obviously talking and it's like doing the dishes
and throwing trash away and that's very real and
that's like they are that's what optimus is going to do and you think
the charge time on them as well is getting faster and faster
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so it's like now elon is trying to make teslas
so you don't even have to plug them in and they just charge on like charging
pads and they've got like the rights to it
i think and they're going to use it for the robo taxis when i
was reading the article i think that's why i think like tesla in itself is like
it's heavily in my opinion overvalued right now but soon as you start plugging
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in robots and those robots can plug directly into teslas it's like you've just
flat cabs are gone because.
You've just got like the most efficient thing on the roads and
i don't know it's pretty wild to we
even think about it i sit and i think as a kid i i had
a vcr i remember going to school with the cd tape in my pocket and i could hear
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it grinding which meant it was the wrong way up you know all of those simple
things and now robots yeah it's it's crazy like some of the things you see and
i don't know some of the things.
As innovative as you might think like i mean
there's a classic thing grand iphone just released all its new updates to
me it's nothing amazing like i mean it's got apple intelligence
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and there's doing certain things and i think there's some
aspects of what we do like there's certain trades that just won't be that impacted
by it that you just still need to do but there's a lot of things behind the
scenes like software wise and i mean you look at large language models and then
the small language models coming along and different compute power.
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These are what powers the robots. So people need to remember,
like it's still a long way to go in my view, but everyone likes to overemphasize
how close they are to the next revolution.
But there's plenty of memes where it's like what we thought we were going to have by 2020.
And it's not where we actually are. It's like, yeah, it's not quite there, but it's awesome.
I think you're probably talking like the next 20 years should be the back end of that.
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I think you'll have sophisticated robots like like
the will smith movie hopefully not with that
crazy ending but you know that's the
problem isn't it it's our generation that will say now i won't
have that because i'm scared of what could happen because we've all
grown up with will smith's i robot the terminate
all of that stuff and so we've got this negative vision of
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what's it called sky coming what the
company's called in terminate you know it's something sky isn't it sky guy
sky net yeah sky net where they basically take over and
is there's a lot more of these videos and coming out
now about the movies coming out now about the dangers
of ai and you got those that that small ai kid that can just destroy the world
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and things like that i don't think movies sort of world is really helping it's
sort of like you know it's going back to jaws day where no one will go in the
ocean because of jaws we're getting that same sort of vibe now with ai but give
it another generation or two generations,
then I think those guys will be like, I don't know what you're on about. This is amazing.
There's loads of things.
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I'm trying to think of it. I think it was Dennis Habib or one of the big names.
They were talking about, I think he talks about it on the Diary of the CEO podcast.
And I don't really listen to that one, but I watched that one.
And it was, oh, it's the guy that does Soul for Happiness. So forget his name.
I'll type it in quickly. but that story is mad because basically a
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mogat he's a brilliant like engineer used to work at google and all these places
and brilliant thinker like really great book as well and he was basically telling
the story of how he basically saw this tennis ball and they had this picking
machine and the robot couldn't i don't know if you've heard this but he couldn't pick up the ball.
And they were looking at it and obviously it runs off back of
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like machine learning deep learning all those kind of things to pattern recognition
and they were kind of laughing at it and there
was like 20 robots in there and i fact checked me on the story but
the base of it is that there was x amount of robots in
there and one was trying to do it and it couldn't pick up the ball it couldn't grasp
it but because of how fast these robots learn by monday
this thing this was on thursday that he said he saw it by monday all
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the robots were picking up the balls very very quickly and it's
like that's how quickly they learn like how to do something and it's
like and you you you compound that through different things yeah
it's an interesting world it does especially if
that's connected to like the cloud so when they go and charge they
upload what they learn and it goes into the network of all the
other robots and those tasks will then become familiar and
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it'll be like uh you know this is how this robot
did it this is how this robot did and they create like a structure around
what that go-to method is i think that would be that's
pretty insane because it's that's like a collective isn't
it it's almost it's always you know you have
like thousands of people doing the same task in different
ways and then they all download that knowledge and
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create one way of doing it in the best efficient way and i think that's what's
that's what's nuts is you know in iRobot when you see that robot running and
it's literally getting that person's inhaler and giving it to them and it's
like that stuff could happen the health and safety one do you know what is really
interesting because i don't know who i.
Was involved with but i was involved in a conversation around this are
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you telling me the health and safety on the oil rigs it's like it notices gas
leaks and whether or not there's anything coming out
from them is that is that what they were demonstrating
were they yeah so they were demonstrating that one
they demonstrated through video i mean what they'll be doing and people can
find on youtube i'm sure if typing boss and dynamics and example videos but
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it's with spots and exactly that so i don't know to what degree it can spot
things but it can do inspection checks and things on like ships or containers
or things that are hard to get to.
It can do all that kind of stuff because of its vision system and the battery
life is really good. I think it's like.
An hour and a half it takes to power up and then you can get
maybe four hours of runtime out of it so you can do a lot
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of like that kind of routine stuff and obviously
the big thing is how how it can recognize everything so it'll have much more
memory so although we can make which is the big thing with a big argument or
the argument there's a big point around it that we can make very cognitive context-driven
decisions which robots can't but what they can't at the moment and that's That's
why ChatGPT is getting scarier, scarier,
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or more insightful around those kind of things.
But you could think like they will be able to machine learn patterns,
send that back and then read it. And then they'll know what to look out for
and maybe what to start with.
And you can do all sorts from this chapter.
I remember seeing this. It's like the next stage is the AI merging with quantum physics.
And that's like that part there is the next stage.
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Because I remember I was talking to a guy that's investing into these cameras
that are going onto oil rigs, and the cameras are using AI to pick up what does the fumes look like,
whether or not it's a safe amount or whether or not it's a risk,
and then reporting that back to the control room.
And I think that stuff is very interesting in the aspects of looking at from a safety control side.
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And i think we're probably closer to that stuff now than
we are of having the walking and the moving of the robots and things
like that yeah they're definitely coming man what
is your what is your son think about it all like is he old enough to understand
it or what's the kind of like as a four-year-old not really but he keeps telling
me is i was like what do you know what it's very interesting because i don't
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know if i thought like this when i was a kid because i don't think those options
were around but you know i there's that conversation of he's like dad can Can you play with me?
And I'm like, just let me finish up doing the dishes and then we can go out
on the bike sort of thing.
And he goes, when I'm older, Dad, I'm going to make a robot that can do that
for you so that we can play more.
And I was sitting there thinking, hmm, you're probably not wrong.
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I was like, you're probably not wrong that that's going to be there when you're an adult.
Whether or not I'll be able to run about and play with you is a different matter,
but depending on how long it takes to get to that stage.
But I think that might bring it back to its core of what it is.
But I think the risks are where it starts getting into
the route of like policing and stuff like that of when you know
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you have those you know because ultimately if you as a if you as if you had
the capability why would you have white police officers who are going to get
injured when you could have my robot but where does it start and where does
it stop and who's who's the one that's going to be in control of that is the
big question I think at this moment in time.
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I was just going to say I'm always curious about that because people seem to miss like or,
or it seems to be missed i don't know if people do but just a general topic
is that whatever the younger
generation are doing is what's going to come up with them into the
next wave so i always think like from photos i
can't see any videos of my parent like they're
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very old and very hard to view and you
know there's not many of them and the photos it's all still in photo things and
one of my mates the other day he was like converting vhs to
mp4 and time it took to do all of
it like to video and you think like they're gonna
grow up seeing everything cut up like from 20 onwards pretty much
whenever an iphone got placed in my hand and it's like it it's it's
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bizarre and like vr at the moment people are like slating and i'm like go speak
to any 15 year old they are not always but there's a good chance they'll know
someone or they are interacting through either augmented reality or virtuality
through gaming or have something pushing them and it's um it's like those people
are eventually going to become the 40 year old ceos and whatever.
And you know it's it's always interesting to watch
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those trends because you think that yeah and you think as
well like everything that you you know you
you base your relationship with your family off of what your memory
is and so i don't remember what i did with my dad when i was a kid whereas if
that's documented on instagram and social media i can go back through and be
like but you know what that is awesome that he did that or that was fun that
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we did that i don't i don't know i don't recall doing that but that looks so
much fun and so you can literally go
from birth to where you are and have full history of
those moments of of what what it
was like from a memory and they're never going to go anywhere so
you know like now if if my grandparents pass or whatever i don't have those
video memories that i can go and look at but on social media i can go back and
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that person will never be gone and yeah you'll always be able to see it which
is really strange but also i don't think we're actually probably far away from you know chat
GPT's latest update is now that it's got the memory storage capability.
Yeah. I've seen it. When you put something in, it goes memorized on top of a
little clip or something. And it's like, exactly.
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You're like, so now I'm learning from this and I'm going to save that for a later date.
Now, I don't think we're probably far away from this, but maybe 10,
20 years down the line of where, you know, my son could go into chat GPT and be like.
Answer this as if you was sam based off of
all the inputs you've had over the last 20 years with my dad
yeah what would he say or suggest in
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this situation and that is an interesting aspect
to look at and i don't think we're far away from that we're
not we're not definitely not like what you're able to do all that
kind of thing i think people forget as well to your point like what
these models are doing that you're seeing at the moment they're getting
used a lot for on a big use case case i'm seeing is summarization so
like the consultancies are very big on using it and you can summarize important
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metal like it's in apple intelligence summarize email so it's
importance and all that kind of stuff that's what people
want so they want faster but the next thing is it's the
mark towards i mean loads of people from there was
one that i caught in particular mark cuban spoke about
it with how small language models are going to work and it's
i kind of blew my mind like it's really basic concept but
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then when you look at it that is your own personal agent so one
of you in the family it's like having a family whatsapp group and
you'll also have your own group with that ai and it
will be able and that's what meta is essentially building at the
moment like meta ai although you can't get it in the uk and europe
because of the regulation policy at the moment but people in america
are saying like how powerful it is like and it's you basically
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just got a personal bot that to your point will
remember everything and the power of that is just constantly learning
constantly learning constantly learning and that could be it could lead
you to do something quite bad or and persuasion.
And influence but more so which i which i'm a thousand percent sure is the way.
It will go is you'll make much more better decisions and it will almost be like.
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Any sort of coach or best friend all in one and i mean that kind of stuff have you seen that movie of,
is it i don't know who's the actual actor in it actually i think it's called atlas.
That would jennifer lopez i think so yeah where
she's basically in the big sort of like robot and
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it provides and it's ai and it goes through it gives her
all her options of what's the best thing to do and i
sit there i think i actually think that's going to become so much
more of a thing like yeah we've got like ray
bands and stuff now where you chuck on some ray bands you can see your
text messages and your notifications and things like that but how
long until you actually sort of like have an earpiece or something
like that and it's fact checking
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what someone is saying to you in real time and
providing suggestions of exactly what what
your options are you know it's like if you
was to google something or my son does it all
the time and walks dad what's that flower and i'm like i don't know
let me get google lens out and i'll take a photo of
it i'll be able to tell you and i do that but ultimately it
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won't be long until it's all in tune with us
and you don't need to ask the question because you
know it straight away so the power of knowledge just
goes through the roof i think it's i think it's really interesting to
see where that where that lies i've seen like the latest
one at the moment is chat gpt plugging
into zapier and then plugging into your email so when an email comes in the
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zapier gets sent to chat gpt to create a draft reply and it puts the draft into
your draft folder and then at the end of the day you go through the drafts and
if you agree with it, you click send or you amend it accordingly.
And obviously each time it's memory saving again. So it will then improve on doing those answers.
So you don't need a PA, you don't need the support or anything because it's
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all answering as if it was you, which I think is just...
It is crazy. It's getting to that stage now where I'm a bit concerned, you know.
I was looking at it from a podcast point of view, and because I've done so many hours of podcast,
I can upload all of my podcasts and it understands my voice,
my tone, all of the words that I use, and then it can basically go and create
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an entire podcast audio without me even saying a word.
Yeah, it's nuts. It's like the fake one between Steve Jobs and Joe Rogan.
It's like, what the fuck are you watching? It's like, how is that possible?
Like, and it's so well-timed. It's like, that would fool people. Like it's, yeah.
That's the next, isn't it? That's the next question is, you know,
how does this, you know, when it comes down to media and, you know,
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AI journey, how, how do, how do we know that your articles are not written by
AI or at which stage are they?
Because I was talking about this. I basically said, you know,
what the simplest business model is to do is to go and hire someone who's very
good writing code around AI.
And pull 10 different news
are 10 different news outlets take all
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of their news and create a an article based
off of the same information written from 10 different angles
and get a non-biased article push it
and you don't need anybody writing it it's in real
time because they're all doing all of the work and you're getting the
actual news of all sides of the story rather than one and i don't think we're
probably far away from that either yeah it's a different time it's it's interesting
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to see like what they're going to do and just how they're going to work i mean
people jump to like all the the the speculation things but it's um.
Yeah, it kind of gives me goosebumps when you hear like what you're saying and
what other people are saying you're seeing in businesses now.
And your point about media is super important because it's how do you,
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like, I don't know if I'm against AI writing stories.
I'm not too sure. I mean, my view is to always try and stick to the information
and let people make up their own mind.
And I mean, that's why we don't really do fast news-based stories.
It's to try and give a deep dive into something and say, hey,
we're not looking at trends, but they're more explorative articles.
Calls like this is what it might or may not mean for your
business like but it is really important for wider
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news organizations but also just like how
business is a process and information because if you don't like the big thing
is context and i think that's where everyone points to saying you know people
that they're very they're not close at the moment with contextual ai it's this
in my view at the moment one of the most important topics because if i send you something and you
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email me or you email a customer and a
replies within 10 seconds i know it's full of shit
it's like i'm just looking at something that's templated it's like i i know
what's happening and it's like or you get like some spam email through or and
those are the things that people miss and i think salesforce is an example of
a company when i went to their summit back in june they're they're doing incredible
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things and there are companies that are really doing that
kind of prompt decision-making.
So it doesn't do it for you, but it heavily influences your decision because
through that, if I remember someone's birthday or remember they're going out
for dinner or remember to invite them to something,
I always think you can sell a shitty product to a great relationship and things
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like that can really help.
Yeah, it's a really interesting... And one thing I don't like as well is how people say.
Or how there's the view of a general topic
about how something how ai is
bad or risky or all these things like
everything in the world's got risk like even going out your front door to
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go get milk like you might there's all sorts of risks that can happen and
i think right through to more grand schemes but i always use the
analogy like if you put me in a pilot seat and told me
to fly a plane of 200 passengers i'd freak out i wouldn't have a
clue i'm doing what button to press and i think it's very similar to
to ai at the moment and i think i think
a lot of it i see i when i'm actually in it and looking at
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projects i don't really see any kind of
and i just i don't know why just to clarify i don't see any kind of bad views
like i see things where it's got it wrong but it's all for a very optimistic
better vision of the world is what i see and i'm always trying to find the other
part but it's hard like everyone wants to do better like it's like a natural
human instinct you want to do more want to do better Yeah,
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I think the only thing is that the shift of power is another aspect of it.
Because if you just take it from a very basic level of these Tesla bots,
let's say they come out with 50k.
And they're very good at doing lots of stuff, then ultimately it's going to
be the rich get richer again, because they're not available to the lower income
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bracket individuals, right?
So it's like, you know, if that person then has that, it's what can they do with that?
And again, likewise, you look at Amazon and I don't know, I don't blame them.
Like the amount of people that
are working in the manual labor in the factories and things like that,
how many people put their back out how many how many of
those people then go and claim against the business you know
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they all need sleep they all need food they all need
breaks robots don't and robots aren't going to sue so
it makes natural sense for the business to do that but
we are going to have a large amount of people in in the
workforce that aren't you know aren't
worth being able to do what's that you've just pinged over it
was relevant to what you were saying it's um this little article that came
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out two days ago and it got reported by guardian and first post and
a few others but this to your point must becoming or
apparently i mean you can't see the future but he's on track if
he goes at his current rate to become the first trillionaire and it's to your point this it's
a really important point to consider because it's how much power do you give
to those people how much influence do you give to those people so a hundred
percent and let's be honest he's negotiating with governments right now to provide
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wi-fi through his his satellites which we've i've I've got Mi Hub, which is SpaceX.
And, you know, it's amazing.
Yeah starlink yeah is it good i've never actually heard
about that one yeah amazing absolutely amazing there's
like no downtime there's nothing probably on
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average like 100 meg upload and download and
it's really straightforward i mean
i've never seen anything like it so when you think about
that as well it's like in that space people aren't valuing
him and his businesses based off of that but i think they're
the largest now in in parts of america in providing
this yep and and ultimately look what
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he did he managed to turn on wi-fi for ukraine yeah
it's incredible you know he has huge governmental sort
of control in that sense and when
you look at sort of fiber optic companies that are trying to compete
they can't why because he's
the one that owns the rockets that send them up into space so he
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has the right to charge whatever he wants for access to
space and ultimately when you're
doing fiber optics you've got to dig up roads the installation
time is ridiculous all he's got to do is go oh there's
another person added to the satellite connect and that's
so the scalability side for him is just huge
so not only i mean he he's got to
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be an alien of some sort like i'm i'm convinced that he's
there's got he's not human he's you
know there's a part that's got to be like really i
mean you know the guy made like paypal he made he made
tesla he's made spacex you know he's starlink you know there's very few and.
Far things that he's not been successful at but they're all getting to that.
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Stage now where they're all going to be required and it's like you know when
you start thinking of starlink well how does starlink come into tabs with robots.
Well, if they've got a receiver on it and they're outside walking about,
they can connect straight to it and it's like, there we go.
He's got that side of things. So I think there's lots of different avenues.
I think, yeah, that article, unfortunately, you just sent is probably correct
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in him on path to being a trillionaire because...
If he manages to achieve in the next 20 years, he's got huge, huge guns.
And I think if Trump gets in, in, in the white house as well,
then I think that him being allocated the contract to set up a moon base is heavily likely as well.
So I think that will play a big part into the future of the success.
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But I think, you know, other governments like China and Russia will be shit
scared that, you know, he says that we are making a moon base.
Because i think he probably is the only person on the planet
right now that has the capacity to be able
to do that yeah well it's incredible man it's
um it's a really good way of thinking about it because
i mean i go back to it if like the
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amount of like people and businesses that are
doing better they wouldn't be doing better if people weren't buying their products
which i always think it's like they're only they're only
becoming worth that much because i've got a better product and it's a really in
my head a really simple equation it's like if you have better products i think
you should be rewarded for a better product by earning more money and
all those kind of things like i don't really shit on anyone
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for earning the most that they can possibly earn
whether that's a million a billion or a trillion like whatever it is and it's
it's interesting because i mean if you read the book on it walter isaacson's
book on it as this is incredible you're like looking at mindset and you're like
my god it almost gives you like a headache of thinking how he can operate at
that speed like you were getting to but it is true you think about how different ways that integrate.
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And or or build into other
products but in my view i'm like he can supply
that to me is very valuable it's like you can have
your bad say about people like that not just him but other people that
get slated a lot but it's like at the end of the day they are doing you
know half gone or whatever like
a very powerful piece of work that's empowering a lot
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of people like taking education to africa so that can that
continent can you know power become a better thriving
economy it's like who doesn't want that like it's it's incredible
yeah honestly i tell you what the next move
he's got to do is just to point mr beast and his sort of
philanthropy side in in 30 countries
with his ai tech and it's a whole new it's
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a whole new game changer you know yeah very interesting so another thing i've
noticed about ai journeys you're a bit of a linkedin wizard so tell me a little
bit more about that because i looked at ai gen it's got something like 125 000
followers or something on linkedin is that right or is it more than 139 i think,
And how on earth have you built an audience up like that from your publication?
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Because that's awesome. Yeah, thanks, man. I really don't know.
I kind of just went with it. It's something that grew. But I don't know.
If I had to put it down to certain things, A, I've got a great team that do
a lot of the content for it.
I mean, Darshini's a rock star and people like that and people like what we put out.
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But I think it's not being so serious about it and just having fun
with it and also just really trying to get people's
feedback like not in the sense of using surveys for
anything other than just queering people and do things from my
role and i wish they i would linkedin is a bit of a terrible platform
in my opinion like it's not very good in the way that it it builds new
products and they try things that other works on social platforms and
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they fail like they're the only one that i've seen kind of work is
a new video feed where it took it from tiktok and instagram and
you flick through and you keep scrolling videos but i mean business
related articles people's time span isn't quite there
as seeing your next destination or what
you know whatever floats around on instagram and tiktok but yeah
it's more just putting out fun playful content i
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think and really just engaging the people just to
speak to them and it is a lot of legwork like i remember in the early
days but i i think we grow about 150 to
200 new followers every day at the moment and at
one point it was like three times that much but i mean we're really are you
doing it are you doing it as a newsletter are you just you've got a company
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page and you're doing it out as posts what's uh what are you sort of focusing
on yeah both of those i mean every every avenue we can we can publish down we'll
publish that so it's it's really important.
And i mean it's where a lot of our audience is so it's served the right
row and they serve you know it's a good authenticator for
us and there's a lot of interesting people from various different
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backgrounds that follow us from very big companies right through to you know
people that are just starting their journey but publish as much
as you can i mean we're really trying to find our next platform i mean you've
got a big following on instagram and to build those
up i i'm always curious how you do that because
you think like we've done it with linkedin and i don't
know if there is another platform for us at the moment my big one that
i was telling you before is email because the power of that and especially creators
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emails suits the business like it matches what we do as a business i'm not too
sure like we tried instagram and tiktok i don't know how they would relate to
our business i'm saying there's not a way and i'm sure we can scale that just
as quickly as well once we find the right answer
yeah have you tried x yeah sort
of i like x i think it's got a lot of potential obviously it's a lot of jip
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at the moment but i think to your point earlier which is a really great point
is how he's integrating it into other things like into other businesses and
i think he's got the knowledge how to build paypal they're already getting all
their licenses for fast payments and all those kinds of things.
And I think in my view, Meta is doing a really good job because they are looking at other products.
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I don't think Friends is any good from what I see, but they've got other things
like the meta sunglasses.
They're going into physical products, which are going to be really powerful
because compared to the Apple Vision.
And I know the Apple have said, or there's rumors that they're going to be bringing out glass versions.
But yeah, you tell me, how do you see it? Do you see different platforms for
business compared to personal or branding?
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I think Instagram is about
viral content and you have to have dedicated people
doing it on a day-to-day basis and it's got to be
sort of constant you cannot you
cannot let off that trigger you've got to do one video every single day without
regardless to you know one in five will go slightly viral gain a few thousand
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followers and then it makes it easier on the next ones and it's sort of like
that sort of flow i think like london daily news it's done amazing
on Instagram, to be honest with you.
I was, I was looking at it the other day and it's, it's more like British culture.
What's, what's going out there on, on the reels.
And when I looked at it, it's got like 4 million, 4 million views in the last 30 days.
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That's really awesome to have that across multiple channels as well. It's, it's brilliant.
Yeah. And I'm suppose, I suppose you're using majority of the LinkedIn audience,
which drives to AI journal as well right yeah so
we take we get fairly good web traffic which is
always important and then I mean our grander view
is to turn AI journal into more I
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mean I think media is going to struggle basing their business
models just off advertising I think it's a really important point that
I kind of flare people up against because I think in media
you've got two angles you can either get subscriptions which if you
look at any of the big ones they're all turning to subscriptions very fast and
i don't see that as i can't understand i'm
not saying it doesn't exist and the model won't exist i can't see
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how that's scalable and advertising i think is very hit and
miss in terms of what the market's like what products
coming out who has the money to spend on that exact publication
uh so we're trying to turn it more into a data intelligence company
to understand and be able to turn that but
i mean that's just my personal opinion but you're asking yeah
we drive a lot of traffic through that
(39:41):
i mean linkedin my personal profile i get maybe on a good month three million
views on my personal and on the business one maybe around a million give or
take but some months are obviously hit keeps you busy how big is ai jr now how
many how many sort of like is there is it just yourself is there multiple people behind the wheels.
Yeah so we've we had a really terrible year last year but we're back to five
(40:04):
people now and or technically six
with one coming in with rich coming in helping us in the financial with.
Like an interim cfo uh basically telling me not
how to be money or with the business's money which
is really uh helpful at my stage yeah five
five six of us so five full-time six with
the advisor position yeah that is awesome awesome no i
(40:26):
absolutely love it i think ai journals is i think what you're
doing is crazy have you ever thought of expanding outside of that
and doing a second one or anything in that area
quantum maybe yeah quantum quantum i think
quantum is one you know i think that is you know
that that that breaches the gap i think that's the
next thing no one's really talking about that or really understands it on
(40:47):
on a scale and i think you know
once that becomes sort of retail like chat gpt did and people start seeing power
of it they'll be very like you know sitting there going how on earth have we
never utilized this i think it's a that's a big step i think that would be awesome
yeah man well quantum computing is i don't know
(41:08):
how applicable it is to like a general user
but it's it's i mean it's what's going to
get us to space travel and solve a lot
of diseases and a lot of problems because the compute behind it and the way
it can solve a problem is just i don't but i don't think there's many i don't
know what's the right word i don't think there's many general public use cases
(41:31):
so it doesn't have that attractiveness it's very you'd have to have a lot of
money to be involved in it but it will be for.
The high high rollers in the commercial space but
i don't know maybe i love how you've done it as well like gone
from one aspect because i never knew it from
the financial way to looking at london news so
i don't know that's a good question what to what to do
(41:51):
next because i've always wanted once you've done it replicate and
grow right you could you could go to the
next one honestly tom i think it's been awesome having you
on it's been a good discussion just learning a little bit more about your background
what you do where you see ai going i think we could totally talk for hours on
it so i appreciate honestly i appreciate your time coming on and thanks for
(42:11):
joining us yeah likewise man love what you're doing and i appreciate the time
today it's awesome to come and talk about these things thanks a lot cheers.
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