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for another word Balloon edition of Trek Watch. Good to
see everyone. Wayne is on an away mission, so he
won't be joining us tonight, but we're here first to
talk about Stranger World's episode ten, New Life, New Civilizations

(01:31):
and you know, kind of go over the third season.
Any general thoughts. But Glad Mitch is here, Glad Wayne
is here, Good to see you. Pardon me, Glad, Franco
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Speaker 3 (02:15):
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What is it?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's an only just book, comic book. Yeah, so it's
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by all means you can if you want to and
help fund. But yeah, we're looking at twenty days out
and it's looking pretty good. But you know, you never
know these things, So.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Cool, awesome, man. Well let's get into it. Episode tens,
New Life, New Civilizations or whatever the hell it was called.
Or is I, like say, track sponsored by Lifetime, because
this little vignette of Battel and Pike really felt like
a Lifetime movie.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, what's can you put that picture up? Back up
for a second. What's up with the with Pikes? The
parts of Pike's hair, because that's of the season, but
now it's like he's got four individual like waves going
on the highlights.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah, I watched a video and show. They showed how
they make his hair. It was like on a trek
thing and it was like one of those little Instagram
and they had the make up guy and he was
showing how it's got to be four inches long and
then they gel the hell out of it and then
they hair dry and they poof it up and it's
like something else.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Man, they spend more time in the guy's hair than now.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
It looks like there's like four divots in it, and
you could count to the divots. I guess it's each season,
so one one divot p each season.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, that's how they market.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
I saw an Instagram video that it looks like it
was shot at Comic Con at San Diego and it
was cast members trying to figure out pixelated photos of
the cast, which that's great, and the hair thing is great.
I wish they'd spend that much time writing these episodes
as they do marketing these episodes, because sorry, guys, I

(04:20):
didn't like it. I thought I thought it was poor
Man's doctor who in a lot of ways, and also
felt that the ideas could have been interesting. But they
rush everything and even you know, burnt out a nurse
guy who now was a god. There's a great picture
of him. When I saw him in the headdress, he

(04:41):
reminded me of this photo that Share in nineteen seventy nine,
Take Me Home with the wings, Come on. That's that's
my thought. But you know, it reminded me of like
a Doctor Who villain.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
It's funny you say Doctor Who, because the David Tennant
last couple episodes before he left, he was gonna die
or whatever, transform whatever the hell regenerate. So there was
an ongoing joke about four knocks, and that was the thing,
like when you hear bank bank, bank bank, that's death
coming to get you. And when you said that just now,

(05:20):
I remember watching this episode because you can't hearing that
rap and dunk dunk dunk dunk, and.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
He's like, what's that noise? Oh, don't worry about it.
Dunk dunk, dunk dunk, And I go, oh my god.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
This is literally taken right from that Doctor Who where
death was coming for him or whatever his end. And
it was a constant four knocks. I was counting if
it was four too. I was like, what is this
Like the same thing they're doing here, But yeah, it's
funny you mentioned doctor who.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Which doctor who are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Well, just in general, a lot of a lot of
the a lot of the bad guys over the years.
The bad guys ornate sort of you know, headgear and
everything whatever. But again, the other thing that they crammed
so much into this one episode that there's no room
to breathe. And also the nurse Gamble story possibly developing

(06:09):
into what he became could have been interesting if they
had sprinkled it more throughout the episodes. I mean. And
also we were missing because especially when he was first introduced,
he's this happy guy that you know. Now he's working
for me, Benga. I can't believe I'm on the Enterprise,
and I was expecting the evil version to toy with
me Benga more and even try and hit him on

(06:31):
an emotional level. We didn't get that. We didn't get
any of that. Instead, we got again a lot of
surface stuff without a lot of depth and even you know,
the interlight interlude of Battel and Pike sharing their whole
life in ten minutes. Again, it's I'm not saying don't
do it. Let the things breathe and give them the

(06:53):
time that they deserve to do it better, and again
it's just like, all right, a lot of show it
to and and that that frustrates me, and it really
is kind of endemic of the season. Frankly, So, no,
I didn't like it. Gotta be honest, how about you, guys?
What'd you think?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
I saw it a few days ago, so I'm like
trying to remember what I saw. That's how that's good.
Things are memorable. But now thinking back on it, you know,
the the whole life in in an hour or whatever,
you know, the whole lifetime and an hour thing has
been so done throughout Star Trek, and this wasn't a
very good one. There have been some good ones, but

(07:33):
this wasn't a very good one. And it was a
little confused as to why. I kept thinking to myself,
is this to justify tips end later on that they're
giving him a whole life now? And it wasn't. It
wasn't very It was very good in terms of what
happened in that time. You know, I understand the idea,

(07:55):
but I think the execution of it wasn't wasn't wasn't
the best. And also the bad guy who like, you know,
are you trying to do a one and done episode
here or is this continued from the other episodes. Make
up your mind, pick pick one or the other, because
it looked like they were trying to do a one
and done and they shunted them all across to the

(08:17):
other side of the galaxy, and they never they kind
of explained it, like you know with these uh you know,
I thought maybe they were going to bring in the
the Discovery my Celium Network or something like that where
he traveled through, but they didn't. It was a different
it was a trade route or something like that, which
confused me. I really wanted to like the episode, and

(08:40):
I I'm not sure if I did or not. So
I don't know how to answer this question about whether
I liked this episode, because I like, I liked parts
of it, but there were just things that were just
like I couldn't I couldn't wrap my head around, you
know how they were explaining.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
It for a season finale, which are always spectacles, and
then I was like, oh, maybe it's gonna be a
two parter like we had, you know, best of both
Worlds and all the other trekkers they've always done that
Cliffhanger and I'm like, all right, because I always think
of the same thing. There's no way they're going to
wrap up all this story in forty eight minutes because

(09:18):
they had the Goren infected girlfriend. I'm like, they're gonna
come to a head about that. She's starting a new job.
And then I didn't think that nurse was coming back.
I thought they wrapped that episode up weeks ago. So
I was just like, Oh, that guy's back. I didn't
know he was a big deal. But here's the thing
they ripped off other movies. They ripped off Generations when

(09:40):
Picard had that flash forward and not only Picard's flash
forward about having a family at Christmas time with you know,
Robert or whatever the kid's name was, but Captain Kirk
making the eggs for Antonia because he was going to
propose to her at that log cabin and the dog
and remember that whole deal. And I'm like, wait a second,
this is now that they're taking the Captain kirkpart and

(10:01):
they're putting that in. But they're making a pike and
he's making the eggs, and I'm like, okay, this is Generations.
Then they have the big battle there between the Light
Side and the Scyth because it literally is the end
of Rise of Skywalker when the Emperor's coming at her
and then Ray goes, I'm all the Jedi, and she
zaps him and he disintegrates, literally just like this guy did.

(10:24):
He just blew apart in a spectacle. And I'm like,
who exactly were these people? And all the history started
because I thought she was the Gary Mitchell people because
she had that space thing in her eyes, and I go, oh,
they're gonna make her the Gary Mitchell character and she's
gonna have the thing with Pike at the end like
Kirk and I'm everything. And then but that didn't happen,

(10:48):
and she ended up disappearing somewhere.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
And then.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
It's not over yet because then they started back on
the bridge like it's the last episode of the whole
series ever, and they're just gonna restart like, oh, we
have a chance to do a five year mission.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Now.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
I'm all confused because I'm like, wait a second, I
thought we're on a five year mission. Now they're gonna
do another five year missions, which we'll tie it right
into Star Trek that we know because it's supposed to
be ten years before. So I'm like what exactly is
happening now? So we're gonna jump in time the season
four and five, We're gonna just like forget like the

(11:28):
whole years and I don't know what's going on anymore.
But it was, it was It was a convoluted mess.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
I'm like, what I trying to fit the continuity that
is in the original series with the continuity they're creating now.
It's kind of like, you know what, they're a couple
of things. When you were talking, I see again, I
saw this a couple of couple of days ago. So
the Gordon inside, the other Captain, the Pikes, just to
tell param, yeah, you built this up so much throughout

(11:57):
the entire season and this was the ending you get,
so you basically did nothing with it. She became this
being that is going to be the light side watching
over this evil chasm thing. So what happens with the Gorn?
That was just all just like, oh, like, why did
we waste our time watching all that thing? The other
thing I remembered while you were talking because she said

(12:19):
they crammed so many things on this episode, and it
came to mind it was the whole Spock Hurt thing
about nicity with the ships and their minds are Like
I totally forgot that that was in this episode.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
And that happened before too, because there was an.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Episode that all together almost you know, like like, oh, yeah,
that's right, that was in this episode.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
No, they did one with data, I think on the
old show at once, or maybe it was in Picard.
Didn't they do something where you had to like perfectly
synchronize the ship to get to the shield or I'm like,
I've seen this somewhere. I don't know if it was
a mind melt, but they did something once where they
had to use data to fly the ship or something.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
So basically, I believe that everything that they're doing sets precedents,
so like you know, the next generation crew or the
original crew, it's like, oh, they did it back then,
we could just copy it and do it now. So
basically that's what they're setting out.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
And that and also that they they need to they
need to plant their flag like a mountain climber. And
I was here first and it's like, first of all,
we know you weren't. And secondly that's what annoyed me
mostly well, first of all, they're using the mind meld
way too much. I went back, and because I can't
help it, guys, I keep going back to the original series.

(13:32):
And the first time Spock does the mind mold is
on Doctor Van Gelder and it's that episode with James Gregory.
It's the asylum. They hit the hypn raid to make
everybody calm, and he was a scientist there and the
evil scientist manipulated his brain and everything so we wouldn't
tell the truth. And Spock's like, I don't do this
with humans. It's really really risky. Well that's out the window.

(13:54):
And also again they rush. They've got to like establish
this stuff so fast than let it develop naturally. They
have the opportunity with another season and a half. Given
we're not gonna get less of Paul Wesley. We know
there's going to be more of AM four and five.
Oh well, but like, oh now we've been done on
mind melt. Now you're my best friend, you know, it's like,
just let it happen naturally. Same thing with Scotty in

(14:17):
the in the Vulcan episode. Oh we make quite a team.
At least that's a little bit more bread crumbs leading
to an eventual relationship. But now it's like I've mind
melded with you. So I know about that thing in
Albuquerque and x nay x nay.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Oh yeah, that's right they talked about.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
And also Mitch about the glowing eyes. I'd forgotten another
doctor who referenced Billy Piper Rose, oh hardest, right right,
And so there was that. But yeah, man, it's like
and also like the idea of an absolute evil. Buffy
did that like over a season, I think the final

(14:53):
season if I remember correctly, and and they really kind
of drew it up. And also a little power Raith
in there from Deep Space nine.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
There was that in there.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
And then and then the guy from the Final Frontier,
you know, the evil spirit thing that was going to
be you know, whatever the god thing was, There was that.
And then the most forced one is they must have
heard him say what happened to Sam Kirk because there's
him and Captain Kirk having a drink or whatever.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Kirk. Yeah, they're like, oh, we forgot that guy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Thirty episodes and then I like this much characterization, sorry, Mitch.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Last one the most forced thing of the whole show.
And this has got to be a show for people
that never heard of Star Trek at all. Like this
is the first time they've ever watched it. Because when
Spock says to Kirk, you and I one day we'll
be friends. Why don't you say that to all the
other people you've met on the damn show? Everybody comes out,
you know what, You and I one day? You know,
doctor Roger Corby, you and I are going to be friend.

(15:50):
Why are you picking Kirk?

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Why?

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Because they mind melded. That's why they're going to be
good friends. Man, That's what it was. Okay, But I
was like, come on, man, yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Thank you, Absolutely, I will agreement. But then again, I'm
not I liked it.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Basically they boiled it down to Kirk and Spot their
their first kind of get together agreement meeting, boiled down
to a tinder date basically you know, but.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Also, yeah, it's already planted.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
You already planted a seed in that when they're on
the Farragut and Kirk has to be in command, where
Spot goes to him and says, listen and has a
come to Jesus moment of just relax, You're gonna be fine.
That's plenty and again sprinkle it in episodes here and
there to finish my power raiate point and I'm sorry, guys,

(16:41):
I had to count. There were eleven episodes before we
got to uh, the last episode with the power rates
and Cisco and this thing. They shoved it all in
one episode, and oh, well, you know, I'm part Gorn
and I'm part Ollyrian because I got the blood transfusion
from number one and I got and I got human
in me and I forget the fourth ingredient and it's

(17:03):
like what And then now I'm a statue what. I'm sorry,
it just it just didn't work. And again I'll say
I'll see it for a little bit later. And I
feel bad because I've got a writer on the show
right now, but I'll say it now. I had Franco.
I had to ask chat GPT, I'm like, write a
strange New World scenario for me, and they just came

(17:25):
up with the basics. That's fine, and they're like, all right.
They come to a planet and half the planet it's
stuck in a Renaissance sort of time period and the
other half is modern. And it turns out that there
was a machine that's at the core of the planet
that's forcing this difference, and they are completely divided. They
don't really see each other and so you know, Pike

(17:47):
in the crew has to kind of normalize things, and
I'm like, but if they normalize things, isn't that violating
the prime directive? Well, yeah, you can say that, but
you know, and of course chat GPT had an answer
for that. But I'm like, that's a better scenari then
the episodes we got this year, man, and it's like Jesus.
So here are some comments. Stanley said it was a

(18:11):
decent episode. Cooper said I found the fininali disappointing. Felt
the season suffered from too many gimmicks and once again
borrow too much from obvious sources. I did enjoy seasons
one and two. Pete says, so glad you have kind
of talked about tonight. Yes, indeed, and I want to
see a smile on your face. Yeah, we'll get to
con Marius says hello, he thought the ending was forced.

(18:31):
Stanley liked the playing with time. Yeah again, well you
know life. They spent a whole episode showing Picard's other life,
and that was great. This is just I didn't mind
the ideas, and I wouldn't have minded. I'm not crazy
about the lifetime aspect of season three of strange new worlds.
But if you're gonna do it, let it breathe.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
But you know, you know my other I think great, Now,
that's that's coming to the forefront that I was thinking
as you guys were talking, why why are we so
fixated or why are they so fixated on Kirk? Who
are all the characters from the original series, because I
thought we were going to get strange new worlds with Pike,

(19:12):
you know, And it's just why did they just do
a reboot of the of the original cast and have
chat well not shat you know, Kirk And that's what
they're doing.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Oh yeah, they're playing and on that. I'm sure, dude.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
You know that episode the last this season especially, but
the last season was kind of because I like the
first season, second season, this season they're building with with
this with these characters that like give me Pike, give
me what he did and and all this other stuff.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
So on other original o the original characters or am
A Benga who we only saw in two or three
episodes of the original season. So there is that's the thing,
you guys are right, It's there is plenty to explore
within those people and instead Member Barry, Member Barry. Remember,
and also again they think they're fixing problems that don't exist.

(20:07):
We need to see where Kirk and Spot really become friends.
No we don't, No, we don't. Well, you know again,
you can play little things and have them work together
and have it just you know, happen naturally, you have.
That's my argument.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
If you're gonna do that, why didn't you do the
earlier episodes of the original series then? If that because
that's what this is.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, I absolutely agree with that.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Again, the guys on and also they can't even come
up with decent reasons why Kirk shows up. I mean,
it's just like.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
The star base or something.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, you know, hey, you know.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
And also, by the way, in this last episode they
need the Fara Grits phasers to align with the Enterprise phases. Well,
don't you call the captain. No, we're gonna call Kirk
because everybody knows Kerry. I look, it's Kirk. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
There, she was there at the background where they were synchronizing.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Because he's yeah, he's supposed to be the best pilot,
which is like, when did that happen?

Speaker 3 (21:06):
But well, that's fine, you know, was a good pilot.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Started with with Next Generation because you know, this wasn't
this wasn't the original crew, and Pike had such a
difference because different you know, style of being a captain.
That worked out pretty good. You know, that worked out
pretty good over the seven seasons because it gave us
a whole new crew, all new all new stories and

(21:31):
new characters. D S nine I think was fantastic. This
is not those and they're just rehashing all the old stuff,
and it's just it's frustrating to watch this sometimes, you know,
because there's episodes that I do like, and I love
the characters and I like the production design, but the
stories for me, are just so lacking, especially this this season.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Just I thought it was going to be like, you know, yeah, Spock,
I mean yeah Spock, Kirk and McCoy. Then he had Picard,
Data and Riker, I guess.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Were the three.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
But there was a lot of things and I thought
they were gonna have the three. They're gonna have Pike
number one and probably Spock, and I thought that was
gonna be the dynamic for the whole show.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
But then they have to like divvy it up. But then.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
He said what happened remember there was that young kid
on the original Menagerie whatever the cage. He's like, oh yeah,
the time barrier has been broken and stuff. He was
like a young ensign guy.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
I was like, maybe maybe that hay Seed kid would
be on there, but now he's not there.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
And then they don't have the old doctor boyse yet
for some odd reason, we don't know why.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
And then they had that other girl.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
They said, you know, if you choose her, she'll be
athletic and she'll give you strong children, and this one
will give you a brainy children.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
So maybe they wrote that other girl off. And I
wasn't paying attentions at one point.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Well, I was to many white characters. Unfortunately, that's why he.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Could change whatever. But I'm just saying the character himself.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
But you could have like a whole new crew, like
Franco said, you didn't need to see everybody. Basically, the
only people on that bridge there are Noonian Singh's kid
and uh I fly the Ship Lady and h Pike.
Other than that, everybody else's star trek Light literally, yes, everybody,
and Carol Caine. I thought she was gonna leave the

(23:22):
episode this week because I'm like, she's doing nothing on
this show.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
What a waste of a great what a great actress.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
I'm waiting for a couple more episodes where she tries
LSD again.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
So yeah, yeah, it's yeah, you know, she's the gym. Ironically,
she's the Jim Ignatowski if you remember your taxi of
Star Trek. I'm here, I'm gonna say my friendly line
and then I'm gonna go away. Okay, great, And I
was I heard someone else of another podcast say it
would have been nice to see Pelly a mentor scottymore. Yeah,

(23:54):
and she's the chief engineer and all right, Scotty's the
new engineer.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Because she's like five thousand years old.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
She be showing tricks that nobody knows about because she's
freaking five thousand years.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Old, right, But no, they I used to preven with
it driven Yeah great.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
There's my point again. Why do you meet Scotty here? No,
I don't know in this series, Like I understand that
you know he's he's oh, he's the old guy you
know from the old show. But he was on that show.
Give us Carol Kana and what she can do here?
Give it, you know, give us the.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
I thought they picked up Scotty because his ship was
damaged and he was the only one that survived or something.
So I thought it'd be on for like one episode
is a cameo and you can go, oh, yeah, we
know what's gonna happen him eventually.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
But no, he's on more than she is. And I
don't know when that happened.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
It's like because they're turning it into the series.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
Yeah, and it's funny you say that because New York
Comic Con there. I was gonna tell uh.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
To tell John. I didn't know who you were for
a minute.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
But anyway, the uh, the Paramount people are having a
panel at New York Comic Con. I got the email today.
It's your boy Kurtzman and the other three guy, Kira.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Myers and Akiva Goldsman.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're going to be there. And the
actors who are going to be there. Now, it's bizarre
that they pick these because I know Anton Mount was
writ here in Connecticut, which is only like fifty minutes
away from the city. It's going to be Spock Scottie. Oh,
there was two other ones and I go, oh, look
it's I. Oh, it's uh, I fly. The ship's going
to be there and and uh Ohura okay now or

(25:34):
Heura lives in New York because I know because I
picked her up when I had to do my show,
and uh Ethan Peck was in LA but he might
just be right. But why those guys, why bring those
people on to talk about Star Trek. Why don't you
have Rebecca Romaine. Why don't you have Anton Mount, Why
don't you have the main characters?

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Why do you have?

Speaker 4 (25:52):
I mean, sure there's characters, That's that's my point. Yeah,
but why are they coming on? But I'm thinking if
they're gonna do a special presentation at New York Comic
Con on Saturday at like two o'clock or three o'clock,
you watch, they're gonna have like announcement they're doing something
spin off. Wise, there's got to be something coming down
the pike, ha ha, because the other shows wrapped up.

(26:16):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Five Fleet our case for us at the at the panel,
I guess, Thank you, Pete, that's very nice.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Did you ever listen to Trek watch? They hate you?

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Let me? Yeah? Yeah, god forbid they again?

Speaker 3 (26:30):
You know, I don't well the actor, I hate, I hate,
I hate the story.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I don't hate the stories. I just wish they could
be more original and better than Wayne will be there.
Let's send Wayne, Let's send him.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Oh, because he's like, he's an idiot. Nice, we can't
send Wayne.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
No, I know, that's why you won't get in trouble. Yeah,
they'll say, oh, we know that guy all the Trek shows.
He's a good guy.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
That's yeah, that's true. But no, it's again, guys. They've
they've telegraphed their intent, and I really feel like those
last six episodes are very much going to be loading
the cast for the original series. I'm sure McCoy will
show up in season five. Oh yeah, the question. But
also back to this episode though, this last episode and

(27:16):
betelling the whole life again. You can't help but try
and make this line up with the original series, and
you go back to Vienna and the cage and the
menagerie and stuff. Yes, why is it? Why is it?
Bettell his greatest Uh you know if that's why I.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Thought that too, I'm watching this go and wait a minute, man,
he goes back to Tallas four and it's the blonde
chick he bumped into that time when he was stranded there.
That's who he came to, you know whatever, where's his wife?
Where's this girl he went to marry and have kids with?
And then I thought maybe this whole thing. See, if
I had written it, it would have been those asshead

(27:56):
people from Tallas four, you know, the ol ladies with
the thumping head.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
That would have been like the thing.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
That would have been like, oh, we were testing you,
Captain Pike, because we know something's gonna happen to you
in the future. Or maybe he already knows because they
already showed him he's gonna be in that chair his
future self already.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
They already did this show where they said, oh, you
know this is gonna happen. You can't change it.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
I have a question for you. So let's let's say
that's the scenario that that this is all a mind fuck.
I don't want to say that.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, he's still jil Let's see.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
He's in the menagerie right, and he like this is
all playing in his mind? Why are they going off
on tangents on all these other characters? Then if it's Pike,
like why do I see so much about Ohora? Why
do I see so much about Scotty? What? What? Why
are all these people here on this ship.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Because they need to fill forty five minutes.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
I'll tell you what though from no, but I'm telling
you it would be such a good Bobby Ewing in
the shower ending if you find out a lot of
this was this him still stuck there and they were
just screwing with his mind to test him on stuff.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
But you're right, it can't be.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
No, it can't be because we've already seen that Arena
episode a week ago with the Gorn. We've already had
spocks s which in the Force Vulcans.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
It can't be. But if they were.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Cool and they had this overall arc for this whole series,
that would have been a sweet thing to do. But
they're not going to do that.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
But I could have been. But but there is a way,
and I appreciate the talents. Fourth theory, because what you
can say is they've already said in these episodes this season,
especially the first one when they're in the Weird Structure
and Nurse Gamble burns out his eyes, that's a lot
of timey, whiny crap going on. So Tellos four could

(29:44):
have been involved in terms of, hey, we know what's
going to happen to you and therefore you know, projecting
this image. But it was Battel that was generating that.
That's her gift to him. So she now, this godlike
state can do this again, I thought it was BS
but whatever, But well here's the other thing. But please

(30:06):
give me.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
No, she's this god like.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Being and she can go through time. She could alter time,
I would think, and make sure he doesn't get hurt.
But he's accepting his fate, that he's gonna be stuck
in a wheelchair, which makes no sense. No matter how
honorable and noble that sounds. Nobody's gonna go sacrifice themselves
to be stuck in a chair with a little flashing
light unless they never really explained it. And again I'm

(30:30):
stuck on my Talis four show, which is not real,
but I like it there.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
I like being stuck there.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
What if why did mister Spock go out of his
way to go get Captain Pike and bring him to
Talis for what do you find out the Telosians what's
their proper name?

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Not assheads? But what if they actually did stuff with
Spock too? And then he was like, oh, this is
what Why wouldn't you snow?

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Wait?

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Wait it gets better.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
If you know doctor Korby's out there experimenting with cloned
bodies and they could switch people, Why the hell wouldn't
you take Pike to that god damn planet and put
him in the thing, spin him around and give him
a new clone body and he could be walking around
and banging again like he should have been doing, and
set it like a freaking.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Doorstop beep beep.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
That's nonsense, because when they goes back to Tallas four,
that's just an illusion. When they see him walking into
the cave, he's just sitting there on a shitty planet
with acid rain and.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Nothing out there, beep beep. I was like, what a
freaking thing to do to it?

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Guy.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
It's like, hey, guy in a wheelchair, I'm gonna leave
you out in the cold.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Start.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
That's what he did to him.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
That's what I'm sure the Telosians are taking care of
the bull. Yeah right, they probably eat him great, honestly, guy,
there's a great uh. I don't know if it's Vulcan's Glory.
There's a great book. That's a book never I know
it is. But there was one in the eighties or
nineties where you saw a Pike on Tallas four after

(32:03):
the Menagerie, living with Vienna, and you know, all the
illusions and everything, and I forget what happens, but it
causes him to try and get a message to spot
on the enterprise in modern day. And no, I I
think again, I do think. I do think the butt
heads of the Telsians are absolutely uh tending to Pike

(32:24):
and caring for they say it at the end of
the Menagerie and everything. So I don't I don't think
he's sitting there on a I like the image. Don't
get me wrong, you know. And again, no disrespect to
the disabled. Someone got dude, I gotta I got a
critique of the show that it's like they make he

(32:46):
makes fun of the disabled. They did not make fun
of the disai.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
No, no, no, we're talking about a guy in the
twenty fourth century. We don't know him.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, yeah, come on, come on, but no, it's I
I understand. And again that's why and and listen, I
know that's why Wayne Stak is able to sleep peaceably
because he's like, it's not Cannon. It's a different show,
but it is. But they really want and again that's
why I don't want them to do Star Trek year
one and move on to a Kirksbox show, because it's like, no,

(33:13):
you guys can't even be trusted to come up with
your own original ideas. How dare you even think again,
they think they're fixing problems that don't exist. I'm sorry
that was like my mantra was bad writing for the
first two seasons. This is my new mantra, because oh,
let's get a let's get a what you might call
the metrons. Let's get a metron in there. I mean,
they ruined that ninth episode, the Enemy Mine episode. Oh no,

(33:36):
we got to put this in you don't.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
You didn't need that alien race didn't have to be them.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Damn, you didn't even need that. It just by chance
a Gordon and Ortegas.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
You could have ended the same exact way when they
landed there the Gorn popped out and she killed it
and she had that PTSD. Now they killed her, buddy,
you didn't have to have that in there.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
It couldn't.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
I wouldna say why why the Gordon had involved in
any of this to begin?

Speaker 3 (34:01):
I don't know. I thought they never saw them before
that episode.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, why did they bring them into this? It could
have so been.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Could have been anybody else, like you didn't.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Even change the designs, just call them something else.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
It could it could have been this race that was
introduced now in this last episode that was messing with
them all the time. Yeah, at least that's a new
race or whatever. Again, they they the choices they make
of Hey, look remember this, remember this. All they are
are annoying and it just shows a lack of originality.
And that's really frustrating because I was looking forward to,

(34:38):
like you guys, a Pike show. I thought, how much
unwritten history about pikeing and his time on the Enterprise,
Let's get that. And also, I gotta be honest, man,
only a couple episodes really, even this last episode was
obviously much more of a Betel episode than it was
a Pike episode. I didn't like empowering after taking a
punch in the gut from Bad God's Vibe or whatever,

(35:01):
and it's like he's he's a spectator in his own show.
And then shame on me. I guess much like you guys,
in terms of assuming that it was going to be
a Pike number one spot show, I always thought so yeah,
but no, instead, you know, and I don't mind that
it's an ensemble show. I think the other shows over
the years have proven that it's better. And that was

(35:21):
my problem with Discovery, that it really was just the
Burnham Show and everybody else was just a satellite around
Burnham and stuff. And you've got potentially interesting characters, especially
in My Benga. I mean even that, I like three
episodes this season. I'd be interested if you guys can
think what episodes of this season you liked. And like
I said, I like the wrap up to the Cliffhanger,

(35:43):
Hedge of Money. I liked the shuttle to Ken forty
that was the zombie episode. I at least liked the
Ma Benga Pike stuff in that. And I liked the
first part where the nurse got his eyes burnt out
and they were in the weird building and stuff. Those
were interesting is they were new, they were fresh. Okay, again,

(36:03):
take the Gorn out. Put in a different alien race.
That would have been really interesting, but of course that
has to be the Gorn you know, and and even
you know, but yeah, the other ones, it's like you know,
I I when Kirk took command, the idea of it
being astronauts from our past that you know, stuff went
wrong and all of a sudden they're in you know,

(36:25):
but again it's got to be this weird ship that's
got like this giant like whale mounth house. Yeah, you
guys try too hard on that stuff instead of just
telling what it would have been an interesting, sad, tragic
story of No, actually these were humans. I don't know. Again,
they have they have good they have some good concepts,
but really poor execution, really poor.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
You know what It's like. It's like when when you
hear a song and then they remake it like twenty
years later and you're like, oh, that's a that's a
pretty good version. You know, it's not the one that
I liked, the one that I remembered, but yeah, this
is like this is like they're doing that with the
original series, but like they're using an accordion and you're like, yeah, yeah,
they make that choice. You know, in the first one

(37:07):
it was like a solid guitar like, but now this
one they're they're using an accordion and it makes no
sense to me.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
And it's not it's not really the same song, like
a bad bar Mitzvah band.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
No, you know, it's funny you say that.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
I was at my nephew's wedding this weekend and they
were playing the DJ had that Brian Adams song from
the eighties, but it's Redone and it's a girl singer now,
and it was like, oh, I can't.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Re Summer sixty nine.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah, Heaven's sung or Heaven have it wear in Heaven? Yeah, okay,
that's been Redone.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I got that. I got that.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
No, no, no, no, but all that my My nephew's
thirty one and my son's twenty seven. And they're like, oh,
that's such a cool song and I go, yeah, that's
a Brian Adams on. They go, what do you mean
it's a guy? Said, Well, the original one in the eighties,
eighty six or whatever, that was a guy singing it.
Now it's a female voice and they're like, that's an
old song. I go yeah, man, And that's how I
knew the lyrics.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
I would imagine if she did it with an accordion,
you know, in a triangle, you know how bad that
version would have been.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
I don't know what I got.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
I got a question for you, and maybe somebody doesn't know.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
That.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Maybe hold on, hold on, match match let me because
I want to drink. Hold on, I just want to say,
ten years after that song, I like to change the world,
great classic rock song. There was a remake of that
that was in the teaser for I want to say,
season two or three of Discovery. And it's just so
I understand what you guys are saying. Sorry, Mitch, please, no.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
No, no, But I was just saying, maybe the reason
why they only use these characters and I don't know
all the rights issues and stuff, but maybe they have
to they could only use that bucket of people. I
was thinking that more and more because you're like, why
do they keep using the same people? Why don't they
make new stuff? May maybe it's like comic books. Honestly,
you don't know new characters being created. They just keep

(38:59):
rehash doctor doing all that because they don't want riders
to come up with a new character. No, I'm just saying,
maybe they're like, you got to just use this little
sense because why do you have more take the ship
girl in there right right? No, but I'm saying and stuff. Yeah,
but maybe they're like there's a bible, like you got
to use this these this is all we can use.
I really, I don't know man, it's weird.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Outright, Yeah, I mean it doesn't they own it all
out well, I know, I know, but I mean I
think it's no. I think it's oh look, oh look,
oh there's something just like every member Barry that we
see in other in other franchises and stuff. No, they
are leaning into the I mean, look at the Star
Wars sequels. It's the same thing, you know, And it's

(39:45):
and and again it's sad and and you would think
based on the years from Next Generation through Enterprise, because
even Enterprise at least gave us new ideas and new
aliens and stuff.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
They Yeah, even Voyager had the happy ones with the
weird hair, with the dreadlocked things.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yea, they had poop in their hair.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
They had a ton of different other Delta Quadrant aliens,
the videons, the gross.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Or they were taking body parts, right, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Mean that was scary and everything. And I mean, and
again there's another positive about this season. I appreciated the
attempt at doing more horror because Starwork works well with horror. Again,
it's the execution, and I I really it is so blatant.
I mean, my god, I'm sure at New York they're
gonna be wouldn't it be great if we do uh

(40:38):
Star Trek year one?

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Make sure you Oh no, I.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Think you're going you'll have a conniption. But I think
they're headed that way.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
I really do.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Well, honestly mentioned no, I think my uh my, my
peace of mind is coming because I don't think Paramount
wants these guys around longer than whatever their current contract is.
I really don't it. They well was the thing that
I heard, Like, well, first of all, they supposedly they
have pitched their new show ideas, including that the woman

(41:06):
that plays Mariner wants to do that work, and that's like, yeah,
we're not interested. Among the things they pitched, they did
not pitch. Star Trek Legacy was seven of nine, so
that doesn't sound good. And like they said, either last
time or two weeks ago, Fraction, a buddy of Fractions,
is now the guy that's in charge of Paramounts like

(41:29):
you know, editorial like direction, and it's like, oh, he's
wanted his hands on Star Trek forever. And also, my god,
Star Trek scouts. I get that it's a preschool thing.
Oh yeah, all I could say is when I was
five years old, you know what my preschool Star Trek
show was the Star Trek Show, the regular show. It
was cool, it was interesting, it was exciting.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
But the all is this, especially with everything, well they
got little Spider Man and Friends and little Jedi.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
No, it's that that's a thing now.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
It's like, yeah, but you know, well if we make
because I know Franco's watching the clock Star Trek con Mitch,
I don't know if you had a chance to listen to.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Star Trek, I know not yet what episode two?

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Well, yeah, two have been out so far. They come
out every Monday. Franko, you've heard the first one. I
will say in general, I love this thing. I think
it's excellent. I am really pleased. I think the story
is interesting. I think framing the SETI Alpha five say it,
Franco the City Alpha five, thank you. I think the

(42:31):
framing of the Excelsior and Sulu and Tuvac going to
the planet with the historian, the historian going through the
article the archives that Marlon mcgivers the Redhead from the
original Space Sea thing, great idea. I like that she's
the narrator of of what happened. Uh. Some people may
think it's too many women and I thought we were

(42:53):
gonna get a CON story. I think we are getting
a Con story, and and and yeah, and also I
don't know if you caught it, Frank, Oh no, I
don't want to spoil Mitch if you're going to listen.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
To it this weekend. You know, I just got back.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Should I not? Should I not spoil that?

Speaker 2 (43:07):
A little car?

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Yeah, I mean I know what happens to Con.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Well, yeah, exactly, but you know, it's not the it's
not the destination. It's the journey, like any any like
any prequel. How do we get there? Welleah, yeah, well ideally,
but unfortunately no. The what's interesting is they kind of
say that the women that were became Augments are sterile

(43:31):
and they can't propagate. So that's why Marla was taken
by Con to be there. And she's like she knows
it and she resents it, and there isn't this fawning
hero worship that we got kind of in the original episode.
I'm okay with that. I think that's smart. I think
that's a modern take. And it's like, you know, and

(43:52):
and I forget what Con said where it's like, oh,
you're using me and she's like yeah, bs you're using
me because this is going on. And also there's a
great kind of roman play kind of thing going on
where all of CON's people are all conniving and trying
to get more power and stuff, not to replace Con,

(44:13):
but to be more important in the new world order
that coning up and I think that's great. I think
it's excellent. Again, they've only had the two episodes, but
I am really impressed. Franko, what do you think so far?

Speaker 2 (44:26):
I'm going to start off by saying, why are we
delving into the past again with something that we know
the ending of already? I'll say that to begin with,
because that's always like ripe with these Having said that,
I thought it was a really good episode. I thought
that it was. It was really just well done. The

(44:46):
reason for you know why he brought her that, did
he bring her there or did he not bring her there?
You know, that sets up that question. You have the
you know, the the the sub the sub story of
all the hierarchy. You know who's who's going to be
higher and who's going to be seen as his right
hand man or whatever, you know these things. I think

(45:07):
the setup was really good and I like the bookend
with Tuvaka and Sulu. It makes a lot of sense
story wise, as long as they don't screw it up.
I haven't heard the second episode, but the first episode
I liked a lot. Actually, is Joaquin on it is
in it?

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yes he is, and he's a young he's a young man.
So here, you know, in between them going to SETI
Alpha five and then check off in Terrell finding them.
But yeah, no, In fact Marla makes in her notes
is like, oh you know, uh, Con is being a
good father figure to Joaquin and everything. So yeah, no,

(45:45):
it's that's the thing that honestly, you really did a
good job. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Yeah. How long is it? Like half? Is it a
half hour? An hour or so?

Speaker 1 (45:53):
I think I think an hour. The second one was
like thirty nine minutes.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Actually I'll take that back. I think it was about
forty five minutes with commercials and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Oh yeah, you know, did you ever see a deleted
scene that they were gonna have for Star Trek number two?
There was a baby on board, like a young kid,
and when the Genesis device is gonna blow up.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
They filmed it.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
There's actually screen I've seen screenshots. There was like a
young kid who was supposed to be Conn's baby or
like like a three or four little kid. And that's
why when you said that they can't have Oh no,
it's out there, like Nicholas Meyer, they wrote it, they
filmed stuff, but then the thought of them blowing up
this Genesis thing with a little kid about to touch it,
they like, that's too depressing and dark, so they scrapped it.

(46:39):
But there are little still scenes of you see a
little kid, like a wild child with long hair, reaching
up to touch the Genesis device before it blows up.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
So I like the idea that the augments might be sterile,
and that's why they need to bring Marlin. What does
it make sense? And again, guys, this is all new stuff,
so you would think that what they're playing out in
con and especially that we have Susia what do I
call her? I mean as opposed to my usual other
reference la on exist if Tery And again sorry but

(47:17):
that's I mean. And and Nick my again, Nick Meyer
wrote the original story that this podcast represents. But David
Mack and I want to say Kristen Byers, who are
good Star Trek writers, they expanded it into I think
it's eight parts. It's going to be eight parts when
it's all done, and again I think it's an interesting story,
but there's another thing of well that doesn't make sense

(47:40):
and then that you guys are working on.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Didn't they write didn't he write this? Years ago? It
was supposed to be like a show.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Well, yeah, but it was. But when it was made
at the same time Discovery was made.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Oh, but I'm saying maybe strange New Worlds. They didn't
check and they go, oh, we can't do that.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Was it originally conceived of its supposed to be a
live action show?

Speaker 1 (48:01):
I thought so, yeah, it was going to be a
three three part mini series. Again yeah, and then and
then Meyer walked away and they had the story and
now they made it this But again, the people that
rewrote it are also the people that are involved with
current Star Trek. These shows have to talk to each other.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
I don't know, man.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
I remember once they were going to do a Star
Trek anthology show, this is years ago, where they would
jump around. You'd have an episode about Captain Sulu, then
you could do a flashback to Jane Way. And it
was this supposed to be like one off one and
done little like ten episodes for a season. Different time
frames picards, you could have a Riker episode. I always
thought that was a great idea, but they never did it.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
So you know, well it was that ever official Mitcher
was that kind of a hope.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
No, No, I remember to K or yeah, to Kay
George K was saying it was going to happen. And
this is before, this is way before discovering all the
new paraments stuff. But they were playing and know when
they were still on the upn like when Voyager went
off the air, there was an enterprise went off. They
were like, oh, what's next for Trek And they were saying, oh,
there's a plan to do like little TV movies.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
And I remember that like in the early two thousands.
You ever heard what happened to me?

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Well, and then you know, JJ got the license and yeah,
I think that's what killed it.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Yeah yeah, and then and then they're gonna Starfleet Academy
for years, remember they talked about that the younger years years.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, even even before Star Trek six. Harve Bennett, who
was the main producer of the Good movies and stuff,
not the first Academad movie, but yeah, he wanted to
do Starfleet Academy and say kind of essentially what JJ
did in the first two thousand and nine movie. How
did these three guys meet and everything? Whatever? Again, that's okay,

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that's all right, whatever, just write it well. And I
mean because there's even a couple of Star Trek novels
that have that. Of course it's no longer canon. None
of the novels ever really work Cannon, But yeah, I
mean again, just just if you're gonna change something, change
it for the better. And unfortunately, especially this season, we
just haven't gotten that. And again, thank god, at least

(50:07):
Connor is an interesting at least the first two episodes.
But you know, even the ones that have disappointed me
started off intriguing. Season three of or yeah yeah, season
three of Discovery. Oh here's the burn. Okay, well that's interesting.
How does everybody respond to the burn? Well, it's a
boy that you know, he misses his mom and he screamed,

(50:27):
and that's why it's like crap, Yeah, yeah, that sucked. Sorry,
too bad, too bad.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
When what's his name was at the show, Doug Jones,
we didn't ask him about that, suu ar.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
We said, what did you think about now that it's over?

Speaker 1 (50:42):
What did you think they're never gonna tell us what
they really think.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Oh, I know, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
You know we're gonna get sadly when every when we're ninety.
Then let me tell you what happened. Uh, I mean,
I got a couple of writers that were on earlier
seasons of the card and things like that that I
would love to get into Dark Corner. Go, Okay, give
me the straight crap. What exactly happened?

Speaker 4 (51:03):
No, but it's like that Star Trek five with the
shatn Or debacle. The years, you've always heard stories he
was gonna have this. They cut the budget. There's supposed
to be this rock creature. I mean, they they let
you know all the stuff that was supposed to happen.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
You know that's true. Yeah, you're right about that. That's true,
and that you know again. I I like five. I
like enough parts of five. The whole thing as a
whole was crap, But I liked all the camping stuff,
and I liked all the Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Fan dance was not a highlight of that.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
I know, hello, boys, I know, it's like it's like
Marg's sister showing up doing a fan dance.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
I want to get let's go up on a hill
and check that out.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
It's like really other other things I wanted to say here,
we'll move on to non star trek and stuff. I
saw Spinal Tap two already. Well, it came out last Friday,
it came out on the ninth or whatever. I liked it.
I liked it a lot. It's I would say, it's
of course, it's never going to match the original, and

(52:05):
it's a little self aware. But that said, as a sequel,
and if you if you have interest in it, I
would say, go, and you're likely to be entertained. And
you know how hypercritical I am.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
But it was.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
It was fun and I laughed out loud a few times.
Everybody's great. The new people that are in it are
very well placed, and there's great music, real musician cameos.
If you're not aware, I won't I won't spoil it.
Oh yeah, there's a couple of there's several big name
artists that show up and sing Spinal Tap songs, which

(52:39):
is interesting.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
So uh only oh no, no drummers died in this one.
That was well.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Again, I won't spoil the movie. But there's a new
drummer and and she has a very fun and so
she and she has a very fun storyline. I know,
everybody's great in it, and truly I like, uh, I
love Christopher Guest. I just I think he's fascinated as
a comedian. I've always been a Michael mckeeon fan, even
Lenny and Squiggy and h and I still love Harry Shearer.
I listen to his podcast or his NPR show, the

(53:09):
show every week, and he's still putting out really fresh,
good sketch comedy and stuff.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
So I really refer back to their agent, the guy
who died. The actors they did.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
They did, and they even show a clip of him,
and you know, it's funny match. I was thinking about
re releasing my interview with Tony Andra, who played as
their manager. But yeah, yeah, no, And uh, you know,
Paul Schaeffer's back, and fr Frank Drescher is back. Rob
Reiner directs both is directing the movie and playing the director.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Of the movie. Marty Berger may Burge.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Actually, about an hour or two ago, I bought because
I'm really curious. There's a book that is a fake
back story of the whole band and everything. But the
other half of the book, it's a flip book and
you flip it over and it's the real story of
how it got made and everything because a million studios
turning them down. I saw it when I was in

(54:07):
college in eighty five. I remember I loved it. I
don't know if you guys saw it in the theater.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
I saw back, Yes, I did.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
I caught it on video and it was a cult movie.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
And everybody's like, what is this because no one got it.
They're like, is this real?

Speaker 4 (54:19):
I'm like, how stupid are you? Yes, because the remember
the ab the smell, the gloves. Okay, you could buy
in record stores. And people are like they didn't get
the idea that it was a joke, reality thing.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
People are stupid.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Rob Reiner was on Ted Danson's podcast talking about it
and he said people didn't get it. He goes, people,
why are you making a movie about this weird obscure band.
Why aren't you doing one about the Stones or the
Beatles or something. It's like, no, it's a parody. And
also I didn't realize. In seventy nine he made this
weird TV special where you saw a hand flipping through

(54:57):
channels and actually the three of them were in that. Oh,
spinal Tap, so it went that part.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
I didn't know that it wasn't the Ruttles, was it that?
That's Eric and Michael Oh, Eric Idle?

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Was Eric Idle actually? No, mag yeah doing the Beatles
And George Harrison is actually George Harrison plays a reporter
in the Ruttles video and everything. So yeah, no, it's uh,
it's yeah, the new movie's good. And I was relieved
I wasn't gonna see it. But playwright buddy my Mark Pratt,
who was on the show a couple of nights ago,
it's like, you like spinal Tap, do it?

Speaker 2 (55:32):
So?

Speaker 1 (55:32):
And I got sadly. Now I'm a senior, so I
got a cheaper I get a cheaper movie.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
I always buy ord Way those cheap tickets and he
gets mad at me when we go to the show.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
I go, I got it, and he goes, how come
my tickets cheaper? I go, because you're sixty eight years old?
Old man.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
He's like, what, I'll take it, but they haven't. I
haven't signed up for my AARP stuff yet, but I'll.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Get that free, donad I've been signed up for a
couple of years already.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
You can do it at fifth Yeah, they.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
The Dunkin Donuts to get a free donut. I don't
they have out there, Tim.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
I'm slimming, slimming down, slimming down.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Did you watch Peacemaker? Are you up to date? I'm
gonna go watch number four when we hang up.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
So it's just I've only seen the first three.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah, okay, yeah, it's all five. No, five, five is
out tonight.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Oh oh, then I did see four last week.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
I watched it on my iPhone like the kids because
we were away and they didn't have HBO. I'm like,
I'm not missing my shows, my stories, and it sucks
to watch it on their phone.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
I'm like, how do they? I'm like, this is stupid.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
So the uh okay, now I know what I'm doing
on my birthday this year. I guess there you go.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Carry is not that old?

Speaker 1 (56:48):
I guess she is. No, she's not.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
She comes to our show.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
No way, she's you know, not a older.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Don't you have to be sixty to be a arp
Franco or fifty five?

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Fifty?

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Oh that's it lower to Oh I thought it was
always like sixty.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Oh no, I started getting the literary years ago. Absolutely, so,
Stanley Sis Peacemaker is great, but I was gonna say
gen v is back, Oh already, Yeah, and it's great,
and uh, man, I only saw all I had time for.
They've they've got three episodes up. All I had time
for was the first episode. It's man, and I was

(57:22):
saying a couple of weeks ago, how dark Peacemaker is.
Obviously this is dark and depressing as well, but man,
I love where they're going with it, and it's it's.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Such a good Peacemaker. I listened to James Gunn the
Howard Stern Interview, which was really good.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
No, but you gotta listen to the James Gunn Peacemaker podcast,
which is really good because usually I don't watch that.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
It's it's like what the Will Wheaton Show should be,
but they do. Every week.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
It's a gun his wife, Steve ag who plays Economos,
and then they'll get a character an actor from it.
So they've had Frank Grillo on the first episode, Tim
Meadow was on the last one, and then they.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Go over the whole episode.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
So only listen to it after you watch it, because
they go scene by scene what was supposed to happen?

Speaker 2 (58:07):
What you know this and that?

Speaker 4 (58:08):
The music that he picks every week, the bands, the
trouble they've had, and like it's it's it's actually a
good podcast that explains a lot of the show.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
I guess it's on HBO too as a video.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
If you listen to an interview with with Howard Stern,
he talks about like just the output that he's written
in the last few years, because he wrote the Superman movie,
he wrote the second Superman movie, and he wrote a
Peacemaker as well. Yeah, he's saying he's probably gonna slow
down on writing, but he's one of these rare guys
that has a complete script before he starts filming. What

(58:43):
in Hollywood? Yeah, imagine that.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
That's crazy talk, you know.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
Yes, did you see the Paul Kuppenberg reference two weeks
ago they went to Kuppenberg Park?

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Yeah, I know that guy.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Yeah, that's good what they did wonderful.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
Yeah yeah, no, No, did you know that big guy
that plays his brother is the dude from the Office.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
No, I didn't realize that.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
You remember the Office and his wife Jenna, Jenna what's
her name? That was actually James Gun's first wife. You know,
Jenna Fisher's James Gunn's first wife. Yeah, so he remember
on the show. She was in love with this other
guy that worked in the warehouse, the big guy, and
then she left him for Jim.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
That big guy.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Is that.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
That's the brother Kevin or Keith or something. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
Yeah, I was like, wow, okay, So he was talking
about how he's known him for years since the office,
and then I looked it up.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
I go he was married to her.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Bam, Wow, crazy.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
No, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
I'm a little slightly concerned because you know, Warner Brothers
is on the selling block the way Paramount was, and
we're hearing potentially Netflix might buy them.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Yeah, I've heard that.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Potentially sky Dance Para Amount might buy them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
I've heard.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
And also, unfortunately, you know, you kind of have to
extrapolate what might happen. They may they may turn on
James Gun and say, yeah, that's all right, I see
you later and pull the plug on everything he's playing.
I hope you do that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
He made six hundred million on Superman, so they'll be like, oh,
that's good, thank god. If that didn't happen, maybe they'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Like, Mitch, I agree with we understand that it's good.
But again, five years ago, it would have just been okay,
you know what I mean with.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
The billion is not a billion, but you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Know, yeah, and I and again, I hope they recognize
how much the theater going experience has changed and people's
habits have changed, because I think it's an accomplishment. But
I am stunned that tomorrow night it's premar Ahbo Max.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
It's so funny you say that, because I couldn't believe
it either. I was like, wait a minute, it's already
on HBO for free. But the DVD or whatever, the
Blu Ray, if anyone buys anymore, comes out on Tuesday.
I'm like, why bother. But then and as soon as
they announced that, Disney does the knee jerk and.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Go, oh, guess what.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Fantastic four is available on the next Tuesday, the twenty third,
if you want to go buy digitally, and it's gonna
be on October fourteenth, and we're gonna have the DVD
in the Blu Ray in the four K. I was like,
they're still in competition with each other. It's crazy how
it works, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
I guess at the end of the day, their last
chance to get more revenue is to you know, put
it on the streamers, put it on video on demand
and everything. But yeah, it's but and I get well again,
I understand that's always been part of the equation, but
just the rush to do it. I know again, don't
they see that They're they're killing themselves because now it's like, well,

(01:01:39):
it's gonna be on acause. Yeah, that was my thinking
with spinal Tap. I'm like, I don't know, do I
need to see it in the theater.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
That's why when you said that, I was like, oh,
maybe I'll wait a week, because I bet you ten
bucks will be on like streaming in two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
With technology the way everything is now, it is just
going to show up on these you know, yeah, plexible.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Already that first weekend guys, it only made like a million.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
That's honestly.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
That's why when you said I was like, I didn't
even know it came out yet. I mean, it wasn't
really well advertised.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
That's that's always like. I remember that being the case
with Idiocracy that might judge movie. Yeah, I remember that,
And I'm like, all right, I'm going to see it
in the theater. And again this is twenty years ago.
I'm going to see it in the theater because it
might be a year before it's on cable, so I
better see it now and watch it in the theater.
Well again, that was back in two thousand and five
when it came out and everything. But yeah, Stanley is right,

(01:02:29):
Disney is so annoyingly petty. Well we certainly saw that
this week. Oh yeah, with a lot of political decisions.
Oh yeah, as a former broadcaster is disgusting. And I'll
leave it at that because we don't need it. This
is this is our escape from the real world. This
is where we have fun and we talk about things
that annoy us. But at least, you know, they don't

(01:02:51):
worry us about our futures, so you know, not even
the fake Star Trek future. But yeah, So I'm trying
to think of anything else that I've seen anything, as
you've seen the in the week.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
No, I'm just peacemaker. And uh, what else is that?

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Oh the new Well, it's comic book Spider Man, Dead
Spider Man, Batman, Deadpool came out and I read that
and there's a Captain America Terry Dotson Captain America wonder
Woman story that's really good. And then there's another team
up in there. I can't remember who, but oh Lobo. Yeah,
Green Arrow and Daredevil by Kevin Smith. That's a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
So it's it's good.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
But I remember sitting there telling to me, I go, Batman,
I get, but Deadpool and the guy goes, uh, they
made three Deadpool movie. It was a young kid, he
was like twenty seven years old, and he's lecturing me
about why those are the biggest, you know, heroes from
each side. I go, what happened is spider Man and Superman?
And then I saw a live fel post something today
which makes a lot of sense. Next year is the

(01:03:50):
fiftieth anniversary of the spider Man Superman team up from
the seventies, and I go, you know what, that would
make sense if they did a.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Big know, why why aren't they in this book?

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
So yeah, I think, well, yeah, I think it will
be its own book when they get to that team up. Yeah,
and we'll see. I'm gonna talk to Zadarski, Yeah, not
this coming week, but the following week about all that
as well. I'm excited to have a chip on to
talk because he did the Captain America Wonder Woman's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Yeah yeah he did, yeah yeah, And.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
Jim up Zub did the first one. Yeah, yeah, Zub
Jim Zubb, I think wrote the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Zeb well okay, okay, okay, yes, I watched. I forgot
to mention that to you. I caught up on that
on my iPhone because I was bored. I think it's
almost over. It's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
I mean it's turning in a blade runner because it's
all about replicants or whatever. They call him, the Synthoids.
The weirdest thing on that show is Tim Oliphant. He said,
has white here and white eyebrows, and Jesus if he
doesn't look like one of those Thunderbird puppets from the sixties,

(01:05:03):
remember those things they like marionettes. He looks like there
was a scientist on that show, like Captain Scarlett or something.
He looks like this freaking puppet with his white hair
and he doesn't blink. He's like, it's creepy as hell.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
But I like him a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
He's he's really good in that Apple golf show that
Owen Wilson made Stick. He's the bad guy in that,
and he's really he's very good in that as well.
Not Court yeah, yeah, yeah, no, every everything. No, he's
he's great. Would I just can't I don't know, guys
outside of the even I'll confess to never see even Aliens.

(01:05:41):
I only saw the first movie.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
You never saw the sequel. Really that's better. I like
that one better than Alien Classic.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
No, I know it's a classic. And I saw on
a date I saw Aliens versus Predator. Oh those namely Aliens.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
That wasn't that good?

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
And that's I'm like, good, you know, good for the
Alien fans. That's why I'm glad you're watching. I'm glad
Wayne's watching it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Whatever. And yeah, Marvel's going nuts.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
I mean, Marvel just came out with Predator versus the
Marvel Universe and Aliens in America. It's like every possible
combination they're doing. I'm surprised they haven't done an Alien
Star Wars crossover. They might, who knows, they own everything now,
why not?

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Yeah, that's I'm sure it's coming. I want to say
Ben Percy is working on the Predator is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
He is such a good writer. I am such a
man of it. Oh, I forgot to mention only murders
in the building. I'm three episodes in. I think four
or five are out, and it's great. It's I'm pleased
because I felt last season too much stunt casting and like, hey,
look there's Melissa McCarthy. Hey look it's Ron Howard. Even
though I really liked the Ron Howard episode, it's like,

(01:06:50):
tell the story s all right, you know, you know again,
you got a lot of great character actors, and I
like the I like the the murder that happened. It
happened to the door man and I. And also they
had a very sweet episode that gave you the doorman's
whole backstory from when he was a kid to him
dying and everything, and it was really good. Yeah, Carri's

(01:07:12):
Deadwood was great. I'm glad I caught it later, though
I only had to wait about three years between when
I finished it and when the movie came out. Oh,
I saw it by the way, the trailers at Spinal Tap.
I was really surprised at how many adult movies and
I don't mean porn, but like that like good like
just interesting, not remakes that sounded interesting. And actually there's

(01:07:34):
a parody of Dalton Nabby. I can't remember the name
of it, but it did look funny, and you know,
it's you know, it's kind of like an airplane of
Dalton Nabby. Not as wacky as Top Secret or Airplane,
but it looked funny. So I'm like, all right, and
at James Brooks says, a new movie that looks interesting
with Jim Curtis, young actresses. Yeah, and yeah, so I'm like, wow,

(01:07:55):
Adult Fair in the theaters go oh man, it really wow?

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Hold on season, Yeah, I know, but it's like this
is the time of year.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
You know, you're right, we're getting into the fall and
winter months and everything. But Ethan Hawk, Yeah, Rogers and Hart,
Rogers partner before Rogers and Hammerstein making musicals. It's a
movie about Lorenzo Hart, and Ethan Hawk plays Lorenzo Hart.
That looks really cool. And I for old time New

(01:08:24):
York stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
That Marlon Brando movie that Billy Zane was pushing at
Terrific con opens tomorrow where he plays Marlon Brando in
the seventies trying to you know, get his island going.
You know what I was gonna say, did anybody on
the chat watch The Long Walk Home? Or is that
what it's called The Long Walk when Mark Campbell?

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I haven't seen it, but I saw the I want
to see.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
That one too.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
We should go to the movies because I want to
go see that because my wife doesn't want to go
see it. The fifty kids got to walk three miles
an hour or they get killed.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
As soon as you know, let's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
By the time we go see it, it'll be out
of the theater.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
I know, I know, I know, I know, but I
want to see Mark Camill's a bad guy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
I did see another trailer for Glenn pretty Boy doing
the remake of The Running Man. That's coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Yeah, that's coming out. Yeah, yeah, sorry, Channing Tatum is Roofman.
That movie is coming out where he like Rob's and
McDonald's and sticks to the rooftops and stuff like that.
And it's kind at No, it's it's a based on
a true story. Really, yeah, it looks interesting. Look up
the look up the trailer for it. I'm like, oh,

(01:09:28):
this looks kind of interesting. Yeah, it's got a silly name,
but it's yeah, it's it's based on a true story.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
And oh, Tron is coming out. I saw the trailers
tron As.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
I'm excited for tront Areas Jesus, Tron Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
I like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
I like the Tron franchise. I always did. I like
the Legacy. I thought Legacy was fine for what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Oh yeah, that was Olivia Wilde. Yeah, she's cute.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Yeah, Michael Bain, not Michael Bain. No, Jeff Bridges, well,
of course Jeff Bridges, but no, and not a younger
Michael British Michael. That was in a good Omens with
David Tennant. Oh no, uh, I forget I forget his name.
Someone in the chapel remember. But Stanley says Long Walk
is great but dark. Mario reminds us that the new

(01:10:12):
Running Man movie is directed by a right, So that's
a good sign.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Yeah, that's how you do it. That's how you do
a remake without an accordion.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
I saw the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Anaconda trailer and it looks really good. Yeah, so listen
to this. It's Paul Rudd and Jack Black and they
want to remake Anaconda. But they're like these there are
these two little, you know, nobody guys. So they they
try and raise money. They don't get money, so they
just try and do it on their own. So so

(01:10:42):
then they they take all their money into getting this
is from the trailer. They take all their money into
getting like a trained stake like this this guy then
has they wind up killing it and then they go
into the they go into the jungle to like film
with realist condas. So it's funny but also scary and
it's yeah, how to make a remake without an accordion,

(01:11:04):
that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
And Conda it sounds like, which you know, Hey, the
best the best at Costello movie was Frankenstein. Give me
a break. That would be great, Thank you, Andrew. Remember
it's Michael Sheen is the you know he was. He
was the weird guy in tront Legacy that was part
of the computer program and everything. Yes, you know so,
but no, I'm interested in Aris. Okay, the tron baddies

(01:11:29):
come to the real world.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Yeah, sure, why not after me? Oh let's see.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Oh there you go. Well, I guess uh, oh, I'm
assuming curious. So about after meeting Michael Sheen. I was
floored hearing him narrate. It's great, though, I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
No, no, she's talking about Ben Pearcy, buddy, that Michael Sheen. O,
my god, Ben Pearcy's got a voice like, oh, my god,
like radio. What do you yes, Mitch, I'll be right
there was Jesus God, are you all right? He's like,
what do you mean it's the lowest Verry White as
old Joe voice you've ever heard. I'm like, damn, man,
you should be on radio.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
I told him, Man, I go, if you ever, if
you ever do audio books of your stuff, I go,
you got a narrative, Ben, But nobody talks like you.
I love I love Percy. He's one of my favorite
guys that I don't have him on enough. He's hilarious.
When I have so now he's terrific. But yeah, it
was nice. Like I said, it was just nice to
see some non remake uh sequel trailers. Uh when I

(01:12:26):
when I saw a spinal tap and I'm like, cool,
all right, good.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Well they have big movies. What's the big winter movies?

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Wicked to is the Avatar Part three come out this year?
I don't I think so, I don't care. I saw
a trailer, but no one cares. He keeps making those. No,
he doesn't care. He's got all that money. He's like,
I don't care. I'll just kee.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Did you did you see he did an art, He
did an interview recently that he's trying to come up
with a new Terminator story exactly. It's like, dude, put
it down although I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
They're backing up the truck No. Two was good. Terminator
two after that, they've all been crapped.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Why don't you just do Terminator versus RoboCop? Just do that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
They made that comic book years ago, Frank Miller and
Walt Simons into the art.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
It was RoboCop versus Terminator. It was really good.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Here a well, somebody called James Cameron help him out.
But yeah, that's it's Yeah, I'm like.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Why who owns who owns RoboCop? Is that Fox?

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
I'm surprised.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Yeah, I was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Yeah, well again that's why they're doing Predator and all
this stuff and everything. Yeah, yeah, you're right. I don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
They have RoboCop versus Predator would be an interesting movie
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
That's film it ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
We could.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
Did you see that animated Predator thing that was pretty good?
It was on Hulu or something. I don't know what
that Okay, it's okay, he fights his samurai guy. So
it's like Japanese styles, like, oh this is you know
what everyone's talking about? This Demon Hunter k pop thing? Yeah,
it's on Netflix. I think for free or whatever. I
can watch it on Netflix. Yeah, but it's making like

(01:14:14):
one hundred million dollars or something. It's an anime.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Yeah, they released the movie and then they released a
singalong of the movie. Yeah right, yeah, someone I think
it was on the last part that we were on
the last last year we did. Somebody said that it
was the same studio that did Into the Spider Verse.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
Oh is it really?

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Is that good the animation? Okay, that's what someone said.
I can't I don't remember if it was on here
or if it was on we did a lot. Yeah, yeah,
we did a pseudo ah yeah live stream the other day.
It was trying to generate mis.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
Mario just said, K pop d H is awesome to do.
I have to watch like twenty thousand other animes to
know what's going on. Or can I just want to
watch that? Yeah, you can watch this, Okay, That's why
I watch the anime stuff. It's really good on on
Netflix that I watched and my son recommended it and
I loved the animation. Is the arcane? I watched the

(01:15:11):
first season. It's great. I want to get to the
second season. I just haven't been able to do it,
but uh, I watched Arcane the first season. It was
it was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
Okay, what's that on Disney on Netflix? Netflix?

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
All right, well, no, I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Oh, Tulsa King started this week. I haven't watched it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Is it already? I think it's on.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Yeah, I think because I saw a Stalone on some
shows this week talking.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
About Oh I see again, I'm gonna have to jump.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
On that, because that was a Sunday night show. I think.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Yeah, So that's why I thought it maybe wasn't gonna
premire until this weekend or the following weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
But whatever, because Frank Grillo is on that show too.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
He explained that's why he couldn't die his hair gray
for Peacemaker, because he's got to have black hair for
Tulsa King.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
He's on two shows at once.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
What yep?

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
People are like, well like.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
The cartoon, Yeah, no, it's uh, it's no. Grillo is great.
I'm very I'm happy because you know, prior to uh,
these current things that he's been doing, Uh, he was
already a big deal in Japanese movies because he was
the mad the main bad guy in a couple big

(01:16:23):
billion dollar making it in Yeah, where uh, it's a
it's a Japanese super spy. And Frank Gillo played the
bad guy in these movies. But I remember him. It
was when he was doing like press for Age of
Ultron and it's like, well, you're a much bigger deal
in Japan than you are here in the States. And
he said yeah, and he explained why I've never seen

(01:16:45):
the movies. I have no idea the level of good.
But yeah, he's because it's an evil American or they
were pardon me, they were Chinese movies, they're not Japanese.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
He was in a movie called Warrior back in like
two thousand and eleven, I think or tening like that
was the MMA movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because
the guy that played agents sit well, it was at
one of my conventions, and you know he was bald,
but he was in that movie with him and he
played a fighter too.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
But he was telling me about it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
Goes Grillo very physical, you know, you know, physical, good shape,
works out, knows, you know, boxing, martial arts.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
But he said he was really good.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
So if you ever watched a movie called Warrior about
m M A fighting, Frank Grillo is the star of.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
The Tom Tom Hardy was in that movie too, was he?

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Is awesome Frank Rio Groundhog Daish Action Flick.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
He.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
I was gonna say he was in one of those
movies where like everybody goes nuts in the country at
one time, like they have like a like in a
mock time type of thing, like you lock the door
and everybody can kill whoever they want for.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Within the day. And Grillos and the Perche that's Perch.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Yeah, was in the Perch.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Yeah, No, he's in the Yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
See those movies. I'm like, yeah, it's yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
I don't watch him either, but I'm like I could
see that, you know. What's My buddy was stuck in
a horror convention two weeks ago and they had a
tornado touchdown up here, so all the people had to
go into the basement of the convention center till they
got the all clear. So he's down there with Elvira,
Linda Blair, some other randos from like Friday the thirteenth,

(01:18:20):
and he's like a movie I would watch to what
I said to him, I go, dude, why did you
start recording that?

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
He goes, what do you mean?

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
I go, that is like one of those Blumhouse horror
cheap movies. You got literally like a love boat cast
of horror people. You got Elvira Linda Blair, and you're
in the dark, and you're in a basement and there's
no light and you were worried about a tornado. This
could be like Ten Little Indians, that movie where they
used to get killed one after another. But you're all there,
and it could have been a real time. You get
filmed in forty five minutes. He goes, I didn't think

(01:18:49):
of that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
I go million dollar idea right there. You didn't have
to pay for it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
I noticed that. I noticed there was a Blumhouse horror
movie that Ethan Hawk is in. It was ironic because
this this nice, little sedate Lorenzo Heart biopic that he's making.
And then also he's the bad guy in this horror
movie that Blumhouse made. And now, yeah, that was interesting
as well. I mean again, it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
On Fax. I don't remember what challeel is called The Lowdown,
but I'm hearing good things about it. But it's a
it's a series that's on one of these channels.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
He does a lot of weird stuff. He's the voice
of a talking Batmobile on some kids show.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
I saw him on a U.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
Today's show thing and he's like, oh yeah, I got
kids and grandkids or whatever it is, and goes they
like it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
I'm like, well, it's a it's a job. It pays money.
You gonna. I saw my.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
Stage in Chicago. They were previewing a Sam Shepherd play
called Barry Child, and it was him and Ted the guy,
the guy who's Buffalo Bill and Sounds of the Lambs
televin Thank You, Thank You.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
The new series is is on FX and it's about
a determined bookstore owner in Tulsa who moonlights as an
investigative journalist into trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Yeah that sounds like I was watching an old West
Wing and Rob Lowe is trying like I got a
great idea for a TV series. They're Pilgrims, but they
solve crimes. Yeah, you're bringing up their pilgrims, but they
I don't think I understand. They're pilgrims and they solve christs.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Oh, kep Dog says he enjoyed black Phone.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Oh the kid that was at our show was in that, Uh,
Jeremy Davies. He was telling me about that. I don't
know what that is. But he's like, oh, I'm really
big in this black phone.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
I guess they've made another movie about it, the kid
from Saving Private Ryan.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
He was he's destroying it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Oh uh, and it's a living I assume he's not
talking about the waitress show from the nineteen eighties with
the blonde Jillian.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
But no, was it Angelia the blonde?

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Was that her name? Angel Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Oh yeah, I remember Angela.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
That poor that poor thing she had she had breast
cancer and needed no yeah, did you pass away? I
think she's still around. Well, I think she's around, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
I didn't remember. Yeah, they had the brunette with the
curly hair and the redhead and then the piano player.
What's right, right then? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there were waitresses right when started.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
It started on ABC and then it became a syndicated show.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
And it's like I was gonna say it was a
syndicated show, right, yeah, because I would watch it on
like these weird channels that weird.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
Yeah, that's like in the eighties. Wasn't that when like
Whalen Flowers and Madam was a syndicated show. Oh yeah,
And I'm like, I hate that guy. I hate that puppet.
I didn't like the waves. Charlock used to drive me
nuts because it used to be on like Johnny Carson
or whatever like, and then he had his own spinoff show.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
I'm like, why is this on?

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Man? There's so many here today gone to mar variety
shows in the seventies and eighties, Start right Vocal Band
had a summer variety show Afternoon de Light. So right. Uh,
he remembers that Crystal Bernard. Absolutely, she was on there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
You remember the dollar ninety eight beauty.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Show with.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It was like the Gong Show, but.

Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
It was with ugly people and they would give like
a dollar ninety eight a check every week, and yet
it was nasty.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
You'd never do that nowadays. They get canceled in ten seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
But of course it's body shaming, body shaming.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
Oh, it was insane, how bad it was.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
You know, you guys were Oh that's right, Kem Dog
got a little let's pour out of four.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
Yeah, kiss my Grits died ninety five or something. She
was old.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Yeah, good run Grayton though, greating Gremlins got to give
it up to her.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
She was very good.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
Yeah, she's the mean old lady that's on the on
the stairlift, you know, the.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Get up the stairs.

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):
Now correct me if I'm wrong. Wasn't she in the
movie Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore? Like that that was
based on Alice?

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Was ironic?

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Was?

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
It's Laura Darn's mom was in the original movie, and
when Holiday they spun her off into Flow and only
season and a half. Then the woman that played Flow
from Alice Doesn't Live there anymore? Laura Durn's mom did
play it, and her character's name was Belle, but it
was basically her film character, only a little more. Yeah

(01:23:33):
it was Yeah, it was another Flow.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Yeah, kiss my grants and Vic tay Back as mel and.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Vera crazy girl Vera, yeah, Vera. And I still when
Vic Dabaker color dingy, what's the matter with you?

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
Dingy? And Alice was right? Wasn't that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Alice McKenzie who was the brother of what's her name
mackenzie from Facts of Life? She was Joe, Yeah, what's
her what's her brother? Linda Lavin was really funny in
the Intern, the de Niro.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
Movie, And I remember I didn't remember her though.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
And she's trying to date de Naro and then he
shows up at the funeral with Thora's mom uhs, and
she flips off de Niro. He's like sorry, she's like,
you know, she flips of the figure. It's like, wow, man.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
She was on the new sitcom that was just on
the Nathan Lane one where there uh yes, there there
are three gay guys who wind up living together, but
she plays Nathan Lane's mom and she's the students. Was okay.
It wasn't like, you know, hopefully they'll do a second
one where it'll but it wasn't. It wasn't bad. It
wasn't good, but was the best part of the.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
I thought she just passed away like a couple of months,
like in the middle this. Yeah, oh really okay.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Yeah. They wrote it into the show that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
She was married to a guy named Ron Leebman who
was an actor on TV. He played on a show
called Kaz remember that k Z Kaz. Ron Leebman was
a good actor.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
He was in.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
Oh no, no, I was thinking of blaming on Rio,
but that's the other guy, Joe Bologna.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
I think he's going to actually Jesus, and.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
His wife was the nanny's mom.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Uh brand dresser.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
No, the mom the mother Frant's mother on the show.
Oh that was that was Belonga. But Ron Leaban was
in Zoro the Gay Blade. He's the calde.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Yeah that's right. Yeah, no, no, no, Ron Leebman I
think was in The in Laws, wasn't he? Or am
I thinking of with Peter falk and uh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Alan?

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
He's not a him?

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
He might?

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Did he do Freebe and the Bean with?

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Oh, ship was somebody else? I forget who's that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
It's not Richard Benjamin.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
I don't know. All I know is in the early
VCR days, my friends were in the store looking around,
and a guy walked in and said, do you have
Freebie and the Bean?

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
On being my wife's uncles and Freebie and the Bean
they filmed it right Connecticut.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
That's why when you said that it was one of
the few movies that I know about.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Hero Ken Ducks's young Philip mckethey he passed away.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Yeah, yeah, wasn't thatssed away too? I know that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
A good run? Yeah, you know, but no he was.
I'm trying to find he made an amazing teleplay in
the Kinescope years that Rod Serling wrote about the Jewish
ghettos during the holocaus years and he's a German officer
in and stuff. There's only like a seven minute portion
of one of his that's the.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
Clip they showed. I saw it on the Today Show
because he was in a Nazi uniform and I was like,
what is that show? It was old, black and white.
They said that was one of his first roles. They
said he started on Playhouse ninety or whatever it was called. Yes, yes,
why is he playing a German?

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
That's right, and thank you, James Connen Fames.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
That's right, James.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
I know Ron Leeban. Good Night Falls on Manhattan, a
great cop movie with Andy Garcia and Ron Leebman was
his kind of senior.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Lawyer.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
He was in some big action movie.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
He's not in scarface, but a lot of great movies.
Ron Leaban is an excellent character actor, one of the greats.
It's a shame he's not around anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
But yeah, I was kind of confused with Ron Livingston.
Wasn't he the guy in the Ceves?

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
Now that's the guy in the office, isn't it or
the movie office?

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Ron Livingston was, Yeah, he was in a whole bunch
of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
He was in space. No, that's the actor's name, Oh,
the guy from Northern Exposure. Right, No, no, that's Rob.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Morrow.

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
That is how it's all going to tie together. He
was directed a quiz show by Robert Redford.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Well, there you Ron the cool he's in the cooler
with William Macy and and Baldwin.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
But he's office space too.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
That's right, Yeah, he's the main guy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
You're right, that's what I said.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
I forgot.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
I can only forgot man.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Sex in the city, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Yeah, I think you're right about that too. I think
he was on He's a lot of shows. He had
a really good Canadian show that only lasted like two
seasons called louder Milk and it's about a rock critic
who's getting older and he's got addiction issues and he's
in a twelve step program.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
I saw that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
Yes, very good, it's very good.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
I did watch.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
Yeah, yeah, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
It was a real dark show in ABC about a
dude who jumps off a building and then it's a
whole flashback about what led up to him killing him.
It was like, what, who thought this was a good idea?
But that The show starts with him walking on a
ledge and out and then there's a note and then it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Flashes back and it only lasts like three weeks. I'm like, yeah,
nobody wants to watch that man, come on, you know,
of course.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
And I meant to mention it when we're talking about Redford,
kem Doug heat that's a great episode.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
That is episode.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
Yeah, yeah he was again you knew right away. Couldn't
take your eyes off him.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
No, no, nope.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
I'll be doing a scene missing with Gabe Hartman and
we'll be talking about some of our favorite Redfords over
the years and stuff, you know, or of course classic
you know, Franklo. If I could draw, I would make
a comic book about Max Foncito's character in Three Days
of the Condor. That's your bear, that European hitman. I

(01:30:02):
just his look was cool even in this even even now.
It would just really be interesting to kind of slightly
modernize just those glasses and he's just so just stone
cold killer. And then he has that amazing scene with
Redford at the end of the movie. You get, you know,
condor at all, Francis or not.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
It rings a bell, but I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
Three Days of the Condor, Yeah, you gotta watch that
because it's like he use a lot of that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they use a lot of Winter Soldier, which.

Speaker 4 (01:30:31):
Ironically he's in a Winter Soldier too. He's Alexander Pierce,
the hydra guy at the end, right of course.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
Redford is yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When they were making it,
bend Its is like, you're gonna love this, man, I
know how much you love Three Days of the Condor.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Yeah, you guys, they're they're really drifting off of that.
I'm like, that's cool. Again, take something from the past
and make it your own. Don't just take Enemy Mind
sorry back to Strange Worlds and three do Enemy Mind
without any new spin on it? Or again all these
other Star Trek moments and stuff, and it's like, you
got to put your own spin on it. Man. I

(01:31:05):
was gonna say about it if I didn't say it earlier,
like Buffy had the I did mention it that, Yeah,
the Big Bad took him a season and like kind
of get to the big climax and stuff. Two episodes
not enough cramp anyway, we can rap if there's anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Yeah, I think we should all.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
Yeah, I'm gonna go watch Peacemaker.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
There you go watch one gen V and watch the
other two episodes that they released. There you go, and
that's track until next year. I think, yeah, yeah, dare
we yeah? Dare we come back for Starfleet Academy? Dare
we come back for season four of Strange in the Worlds?

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
Have they announced what days they're starting? Just twenty twenty six?

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Now, why don't we just do love Boat till we
get to a new Star.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
Treks That's right, You're doing love Boat.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
That's just I'm telling you. I'm excited for that. Uh well,
Stanley says, sad. No more Trek. Well again, we at
least have six more episodes of Star Trek Con that
I am enjoying. I will be talking about it. You
guys are welcome to join me. But if not, it's
it's okay. I'm sure I can hear you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
We're doing your own Star Trek thing. The other day
I saw, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
Thanks for mentioning Mitch. I uh yeah, you know, just
to do something and see because I'm I'm toying with
the format of a minute video. Yeah yeah, And it's like,
all right, let me let me see, you know. And
so yeah I did. I did a review of Charlie
X and I also proposed even though I agree with
Franco and Mitch in terms of enough with the prequels.

(01:32:37):
I'd like to see a story about zephyrn Cochrane create,
you know, building the Phoenix and how do you get
all the resources?

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Let me get the resources to build that. Yeah, where's Lily?
Where's that Well? I said?

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
I said, I said, Have James Cromwell and Alfred Woodard
come back?

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
They were great?

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Why not? And you know, just they can come in
their pajamas and just do you know microphone stuff? That's
why world. What Sul's back doing as little as he's
doing in this it's like, good for you man.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Absolutely, I would watch Lieutenant Barclay show at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
I would be for that, Angia. I wants you to
remind everyone mention that it's at Yeah, and when do
I need to be ready to buy tickets?

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
Once November fifteenth they will be on sale, so all
the hotel rooms by November fifteenth.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Then yeah. My wife asked me if I was in
what phase of what do you call when somebody dies? Grief?

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Morning?

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
Cool morning?

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
Yeah, because it's like after the show's over, it's it's
a god's honest truth.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Franco might know this.

Speaker 4 (01:33:41):
You work on something, when it comes out, it's done
and that's it, and now you've built up you've worked
so much to get it there, and then when it's over,
you're like, well, now I got nothing else for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
And I'm in the middle of that with the greatest
little loutradoor ever on Kickstarter running right now. If you
want to go out and check on it and help
help fund the campaign, that would be fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:34:02):
You find most people flood it at the last second,
and it's annoying, like they buy it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
It's almost at the at the beginning and at the end.
So the first day that we didn't make anything at all, right,
so I was busy with something because I was filling
out this paperwork that I don't want to talk about.
But also I had to get a script in because
I was on deadline for the script. So I haven't
had a chance to do anything online. But it does.

(01:34:28):
It populates the first day or so, and then you know,
it's weird because Kickstarter is not a kid friendly you
so it's very difficult with this. I think it'll get
funded because, like I said, we're almost at you know,
at nineteen hundred bucks and I think we'll get to

(01:34:49):
three thousand because we still have twenty days left to go.
And at the end it kind of again populates because
people are like, oh, this is ending, let me see
what it's about. So I put up a whole bunch
of new stuff where you can get like some variant
covers that I've done and stuff like that, and some artwork.
But you know, again, it's it's weird unless it's adult content,

(01:35:10):
which gets funded right away and is funded like a
thousand percent over. So maybe that'll be my next Kickstarter,
because I'm I'm really curious to see what works and
what doesn't work on Kickstarter, and it doesn't cost me anything.
So you have some great adult from the add ons
that should help me. Yeah, thank you. I'm curious us

(01:35:31):
to see what works. Because the first kickstarter I did
was was for the game and known as a game Person,
so you know, it was a card game and it funded.
And then the second one I did, I did with
Zoom because I wanted to see what they were about,
and it funded because it was a horror anthology. But
you know this, this is my second Kickstarter, and again

(01:35:55):
knowing full well that kid front, you know, friendly stuff
they're not the ones kids now, so it'll be interesting
to go and honestly if it if it doesn't get funded,
I will publish it myself, but just in a different
form than what I have laid out on the Kickstarter.
I'm being a little bit ambitious with what I want
to do, so we'll see if it works or not.

(01:36:17):
But whether whether this funds or not, it's not going
to be my last Kickstarter, and I want to I
want to try different things. You want to.

Speaker 4 (01:36:25):
You remember that kid that I told you that's from
my neighborhood that was set up across from you a
gamer con that had his own game that he was
trying to sell. Do you know how much money they
made on their Kickstarter? I just asked him because he
was that terrific on working with the guy from grim,
I said, O, where is that?

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
The thing is, dude, I made one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars on that. I'm like, what are you insane
for what? And it's a game, It's a like a
card game or something too.

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
I was like, how does this happen? I said, you go, oh, yeah,
we got more than enough to produce it and make
it and sell it. So next year he's going to
buy a booth and sell it at the show.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
But I'm like, wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Crazy because if you if you hit the right vein
and you you get it seen by people, they're gonna
populate it. You know. Jimmy talking, he does you know,
his kickstarters, and he does them like clockwork. And yeah,
he has someone running it for him, but he knows
what he's but he's got an audience, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
Right, And they're looking for R rated comics with Jimmy
he can't do with the Big two. And I'll tell
you that's really like the year after I started my podcast,
I was listening to a couple of complic podcasts that
are also in the tabletop games. And this is well
before I forget that can Fu or whatever the hell
it's called. Uh, that's almost like World of Warcraft, but

(01:37:42):
it's a board game and you're building things and everything.
They make fun of it on the Big Bang Theory.
I need wood, I need would somebody somebody give me
would And that's that board game. But no, I think, honestly,
the tabletop game world I d w AS I think
even more important than their comic division, their game Division

(01:38:03):
did quite well and everything. So yeah, no, I think,
uh yeah, there's a there's a real audience out there
itching for new strategy games and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
So I saw I u W, they had a comic
out this week.

Speaker 4 (01:38:13):
I think it was either World or War Crowd because
I looked at the titles, like, oh, look that's a
board game. But it was a comic book too, So
Dungeons and Drag is maybe something they were tying into
and I was.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Like, oh, it took more wax and a dessert topic.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
It'd be it'd be interesting to see what happens because,
like I said, my my next Kickstarter that I'm planning
is going to be a little bit more again not adult,
but you know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
More mature at dirty can you put some milk porn
in it?

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
Or like, you know, more towards the adults.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
It should be called a yeah orgasms I have Yeah, yeah,
that's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
But I have an audience, but they're not the ones
that have a Kickstarter account, so not now.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
No, I get it. Stanley says I should kickstart my
book a book update. I'm about halfway through transcribing what
I want in the book, So.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
H do you sell out the ones? You had a
terrific one?

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Are they going No?

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
But man, again, my guy owed, God bless him. He's like,
you know, you should take that to a couple of
the local com stores and sell it as a magazine.
And he's like, if you need a barcode, I'll send
you a barcode. So yeah, I got to talk to
I got to talk to my Chicago stories because I
got a handful. Yeah, and that's actually a good proof
of concept to see if they sell, I think for

(01:39:30):
the eventual book and everything.

Speaker 4 (01:39:31):
So you know, yeah, you could do print on demand
on Amazon. But because I have a book out there
on that that I wrote like thirty years ago, but
I'm like, it sells, I wants a moon.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
I'm like, oh okay, but like, don't they take like
sixty take.

Speaker 4 (01:39:47):
Yeah, I know, but it gets Yeah, but then you
don't have to buy and start at your house and.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
Ship out and and I may do that. I'll see,
I'll see. I'm really going to weigh all my options
between crowdfunding and printing on demand, and of course it'll
definitely be an ebook regardless. Yeah, so there's that again.
I just like I said, I bought the Spinal Tap
book and I bought it on Kindle and everything. So

(01:40:14):
there you go. All right, boys, well done. I'm sorry
Wayne couldn't join us, but we had a spirited discussion
and unfortunately not much debate. We all agreed that we
were a little disappointed. What are you gonna do? So
we'll see. We'll see how con plays out again. You
guys are welcome to join me, but if not, I
will continue to talk about Star Trek Con. But regardless,

(01:40:35):
we'll all get together around a month or so every
month or so just kind of talk about what else
is going on, what movies were seeing, what TV were watching,
and we hope you'll join us then. But until next time,
thanks a lot for watching today, and stay safe, stay happy,
stay healthy.