Talking with The Arcturians with Trance Channel, Erin Gordon

Erin Gordon is our featured guest on episode #162 of World Awakenings. We are excited to have her on the show as she is the earthly voice for some of our friends from the stars known as the Arcturians (or as she refers to them as the ‘Gang’) Erin had a relatively normal childhood, but as a youngster she was always in touch with the spirit world, and didn’t realize, until she was older, that this was not normal for most people. As a result, she has always been drawn to psychic/spiritual and channeling sources. Growing up as an only child she had a lot of alone time to channel her guides and reflect when the energy of her non-physical friends shifted into something more intense when she was in her mid 20's. This is when the Arcturians made themselves more pronounced as she asked more questions and began to "see" them in her mind's eye. Since then, she has fine-tuned her abilities as a channel. Along with her best friend and partner, Dean Graves, they continue their current exploration of human evolution and consciousness. 

Download your free copy of Karl Gruber's short ebook, "The 3 Pillars: A Simple 3 Step Process to Manifest Positive & Pemanent Change in Your Life". Just click this link to get yours today!

If you would like to connect with Erin Gordon, you can go to her partner, Dean Graves' website https://www.ddeangraves.org/

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meet our guest, Aaron Gordon.She is our futured guest and we're excited

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to have her here as she isthe earthly voice for some of our friends
from the stars, known as theArcturians, or as she refers to them,
as the Gang. Aaron has arelatively She had a relatively normal childhood,
but as a youngster, she wasalways in touch with the spirit world
and didn't realize until she was olderthat this was not normal for most people.

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Now, as a result, she'salways been drawn to psychic, spiritual
and channeling sources, and growing upas the only child, she had a
lot of alone time to channel orguides and reflect. When the energy of
the non physical friends shifted into somethingmore intense when she was in her mid
twenties, this is when the Auctoriansmade themselves more pronounced, as she asked

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more questions and began to see themin her mind's eye. Now. Since
then, she's fine tuned her abilitiesas a channel and along with her best
friend and partner Dean Graves, theycontinue their current exploration of human evolution and
consciousness. And I am real excitedto have you on the show, Aaron,
welcome, Thank you, Carl.I'm excited to be here. Yeah,

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it is awesome, it's fun.I've had other channels on, but
what you do, I'm really reallyexcited to find out about how you came
about this. So let me askyou this real quick. Is this kind
of a coming out party for youto the public as a channel? I
know you do chatting with the Auctorians, but have you been on any other

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shows? No, I haven't.This is a first for me. Like
I said, with most channelers,it's something that I've kind of experienced since
an early age, and just puttingthe pieces together over the years has taken
some time. And I've been guidedto many different teachers, you might say,
throughout my development of all of this, and I've always been intrigued,
as you earlier mentioned, with youknow, things of the psychic nature channelings,

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and there was one point in mytwenties where I converse with my guides
and anybody can do this. It'snot a mystery. Anybody can do it.
We all have guides. It's easyto connect and have a discussion.
But I noticed in my mid twentiesthat that connection suddenly shifted. The energy
became a little more intense and alittle more strong, and my interest shifted
more into channeled sources. And itwas almost as if I couldn't get enough

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channeled material to read because it wasso fascinating to me, and it really
made sense to me, It reallyresonated with me. And so from that
point forward, I just kept tuninginto the energies I was getting and the
information I was receiving. And asyou could well imagine, a lot of
the information that I was getting,I questioned because I wasn't familiar with it.
It didn't seem on par with likewhat I had been channeled with my

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guides before. It was different.It was almost like talking to your neighbor
or like a like a student,you know, a co student, and
then all of a sudden you're inthe principal's office talking to them, and
so the information's a little more intense. So I just had to sort of
sift through all of that until Ibecame comfortable with it and began to recognize
it for what it was. Andit was a gradual process. It's not
something that happens overnight. Well,And one more question about the young Aaron.

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I mean, you evidently grew upin a staunch Catholic household, but
also in school, and that kindof got in trouble right when you were
in Catholic school with the duns.It did because I had a lot of
questions that weren't well received, becauseI asked a lot of questions that were
outside of the norm of the Catholicdogma, and I questioned a lot of

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it. I said, well,has that true or you know that it
sounds like a bunch of stories tome, And that was not well received,
as you might imagine, and soI got sent to the principal's office
and got scolded and got my mominvolved, and you know, but I
asked too many questions, basically,And so from that point forward, that
was even more reinforcement for me tokind of you might just want to go

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with the mainstream and not cause toomany waves, because it ruffled a lot
of feathers and got me in somehot water. From time to time,
Well, you seem to be doingpretty well right now, pretty well.
But so when you're in your twentiesand you connect with the Arcturians or they

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connect with you, I mean,exactly how did that come about? I
mean, what was it like thevery first time they came through and you
were their voice here on Earth.It wasn't really one particular time. It
was a gradual introduction. And themore that I would read about these types
of experiences that other people have had, the more it made sense to me.

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Did then it because then I didn'tfeel so, Okay, am I
making this up? What's going on? This is very odd? The more
that I read about other people havingthese encounters, the more it made sense
to me, And then I wouldstart going to channelings by other people,
you know, people like you know, I went to Barbara Marciniacs live channelings.
I saw cry on you know,other people in person, and I
was like, yeah, that's kindof the same, That's how it works

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for me. And so then itmade more sense. And then from that
point forward, I was gradually ledto people that helped me sort of develop
this, if you will, andgave me tools and ideas and you know,
different ways to kind of wrap mybrain around it. But it's been
an ongoing process since I was achild, and it just, you know,
it's just not something that happens overnight. It's something that you have to

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stick with, just like anything thatyou learn in life. It's not something
you just pick up and suddenly you'rea master you know, pianist, or
you know a grand writer, oryou know a mathematician. It takes time
to develop those skills. This isreally no different. Well, and we're
going to hopefully bring in your yourgang in a little bit here and talk
to them, But first of all, maybe you can explain who are the

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Auctorians. They are a social memorycomplex, which is basically a collective of
souls that have evolved through the consciousnessevolution, where we begin sort of as
far away from the Creator as wepossibly can, and then through our own
evolution and releasing of our ego,our sense of pride, our sense of
separation from the source from oneness.As we release that, we become closer

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and closer to the Creator. Andas we go through these different densities,
we become closer to the Creator andwe give up our ego and we form
what's called a social memory complex,where it's sort of like a large group
of people putting aside their egos theirdifferences for the greater good of the whole.
That's sort of a very kind ofjuvenile way to put it, but
that's essentially what it is. It'sjust a basic kind of group of souls

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that have decided that coming together asone and becoming closer to the Creator is
the better way to go, isthe better path to follow. And you
realize that your ego, your biases, your prejudices, your likes, your
dislikes become less important and the wholebecomes more important than your individuality. Your
individuality becomes less important because you seethe significance of the whole and becoming closer

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to the creator. Social memory complex. I like that, but you know,
the general human person, we actuallysee pictures of drawings of what I
guess what humans think Octorians look like, and you know, most humans would
just think, well, they're extraterrestrials, they're a star race culture. I

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mean, is that true? Also? It is true also, but you
have to remember that in our particulardensity and our level of consciousness, we
deal with physicality, we deal withthings that we can see, touch,
feel. If I say, okay, want you to think of a certain
I want you to think of amale for example, you already have a
generated idea of what a male humananatomy figure would look like female. Same

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thing. That is how our mindis constructed a thing. And so given
those parameters, a lot of thesebeings have to sort of adopt some type
of physical characteristic that we can identifythem as. Whereas in reality they don't.
Necessarily they don't walk around putting onclothes, brushing their hair, their
two things of that nature that they'rebeyond that those necessities are no longer pertinent

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in their day to day life perse, But they do retain some sort
of physicalities that we can identify themas. Otherwise you wouldn't really kind of
understand who with whom you're seeing,speaking or talking with. But there is
some physicality to each type of extraterrestrialif you will, okay, that explains
a lot so well. I willone last question for you. Bring in

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the gang. I read that whenyou have been ill or injured, they
put you in one of their healingchambers called a pod. What was that?
That's that's what I call it.It's like an egg shape pod.
Essentially it this is this is myhumor coming forward. It looks like a
tanning bit. So when I firstthought, I was like, what is

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this? It looks like a tanningbed. And essentially you go, I
go in it and you're kind offloating. But it's a balancing of your
energies to sort of align your physicalbody and your energies, because you have
to remember that the majority of diseaseis caused by a spiritual imbalance. It's
not always a chemical imbalance. It'susually a spiritual imbalance. And so if

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you can figure out where your blocksare, what your biases, prejudices,
your beliefs, your core beliefs thatyou are holding onto, that manifest in
physical ways. And so many timespeople that you hear about these spontaneous healings,
Oh, I had cancer stage fourand then it suddenly went away,
and everyone thinks it's a miracle.From our perspective, it is a miracle,

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but for their perspective, it's not. It's merely a distortion of your
beliefs. If you're told your wholelife that you're dumb, you can't do
this, and you can't do that, and you believe it. That becomes
so ingrained and you don't know anydifferent. So your ability to get beyond
that is very difficult. And soany challenges that you face, you think
you've gotten ooever, you think you'vegotten this, that or or that hurdle,
but you haven't. And so thesame goes with anything. So you

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kind of hold on to that,and that drags your energy down, and
that can manifest as physical illness.Whether you think ill things about yourself,
others, your inabilities, abilities,things of that nature, it manifests,
it can manifest as illness. Sooftentimes when people are physically ill for a
long time, they are forced tophysically sit still and analyze what is causing

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their illness. And that happened tome. I was sick for a year
and a half and I was tryingthis and trying that and looking outside of
me to heal myself. When Ifinally sat down and evaluated my belief system
and my guidance system and oh,you know what, that's not right,
and really looked at my ego,I got better. My physicians, my
specialists, they couldn't figure it out. They were baffled. My labs went

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from off the charts ridiculous to completelynormal, and they're like, we don't
know what happened. I'm like,well, aren't you. Well, we
don't know what's wrong. So that'sjust one example, but you hear of
this and that essentially from my perspectiveand from what they've told me, is
that once you analyze as beliefs andthose sort of core values that you hold
that are holding you back, untilyou recognize and release those, you're going

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to be stuck in whatever a destructivepattern you may be in, whether it's
mental, physical, whatever it maybe. Wow, I'll tell you.
I am the facilitator of a verylarge Power of eight group that is on
Facebook. We have almost seventeen hundredmembers from around the world, and I
agree one hundred percent with everything yousaid about healing and the cause of that.

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So well, Aaron, thank you. Thanks as some love. We'd
like to chat with the gang,your friends, the Auctorians, and if
you would be so kind to bringthem in and honor us with the ability
to talk to them. Okay,just give me one second, all right,

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Hello wire, dear friend, howare you today? I am excellent
and excited to be able to talkto you. We are delighted to be
part of your program. We welcomeyou in the love and the light of
the infinite one Creator, and weare delighted to be of service to you
and your listeners on this day.I love that greeting. I love that
greeting. Thank you for that.I'd love to hear that on a daily

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basis from my fellow humans. Thatwould be very wonderful, would it not?
Absolutely speaking of humans, why didyou choose this human aeron to speak
through to humanity? This was apre incarnate agreement that she has been working
on in multiple multiple lifetimes, asyou understand it, And so this is

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sort of we've been She has beenpreparing herself to deliver information in this fashion
in this of your time and yourhistory, as you understand it. And
so this isn't sort of a happyhazard random Oh, raise your hand,
We'll take this challenge on. Thisis a long process it takes in order
to have a soul that is willingto come forward in this density with its

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vast difficulties, in order to uplifthumanity, to remind humanity of their power
and of their great potential. Thathas been forgotten over millennia of your time
due to your frequent wars, yourinfiltration from service to self, which are
beings that choose to cause harm andextract energy from your beings for their own

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benefit and manipulate and control the populace. And so this is a long process
that she has been sort of trainingfor. As if you mentioned the marathons
and the runners that you interact with. You don't just get up one day
and run a marathon. You haveto train for it. So this is
a similar type of scenario. Veryvery interesting you well, and you kind
of just touched on this too andforgiven me because I have a lot of

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very large questions. And so herewe go from your point of view,
what is the current status of humanityand what does its future look like?
The current status of humanity is oneof choice. You as humans have incarnated
multiple multiple times in various different roles. You all have been the victim,

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the perpetrator, and the bystander inevery role in between. You could possibly
imagine male female, different races,different areas on your planet, different geological
systems, everything you could possibly imagine. So now is the point in time
where humanity has to make a decisionas to far as which way do you
want to continue on. You've stiftedand sorted through all the options that are
available to you. Now you haveto finally decide, gee, do I

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want to continue on a path ofgreater oneness with the Creator, continue on
that journey, or do I wantto continue on a path of a self
serving nature where my own needs,wants and my own potential gains outweigh that
of the masses. And so yousee this reflected in your day to day
news, if you will. Throughoutyour planet, you see vast, vast

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differences between your governments, your peoples, and their ideologies, and they are
becoming much louder from our perspective.You're seeing people acting out in your college
campuses. You're seeing the destruction ofcertain governments are falling apart. Other governments
are being put into question. Yourlong held democracies are sort of in a

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fragile state insofar as within your ownUnited States, for example. We use
this as a reference that your listenerscan probably relate to a huge dichotomy of
a huge pull between are you goingto go this way or that way?
And the differences between the two representativeparties if you will, are very different,
and so your public is being pulledone way or the other. So

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essentially, not just within your owncountry, but throughout the world, all
the population is being forced which waydo we want to go? Are we
going to stand up or are wegoing to be bystanders? Are we going
to continue on this path as trajectorof our country, of our nation,
of our leaders, or are wegoing to go in a different way?
And so, now, given thevast global communication that's available, you're no

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longer isolated like you once were.Whereas say, even two hundred years ago,
many people didn't know what was occurringon the other side of the globe,
and if they did, the limitedinformation that they got was very filtered.
Well, you no longer have thoseconstraints anymore. So now is the
time for humanity to finally decide,not only on an individual level, but
on a collective level, as towhich way you wish to proceed to further

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your evolution. At this time,of course, here on Earth, the
Internet, which is the biggest breakthroughin technology ever in the history of mankind,
is only twenty seven or twenty eightyears old, and in that time
it has accelerated the ability of thepeople in power, influencers to increase their

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power and the influence. And doyou see any change in that or is
it going to accelerate? Continue ofthe Internet and other unknown technologies, well,
the vastness of information and the rateand speed at which it is being
able to be put out there perse is going to continue. This is
why it becomes very important for youas an individual to use your own critical

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thinking and your own discernment. Asfar as when you hear something, don't
take it verbatim as oh, welltheir doctor so and so, or their
president so and so so, theymust be an expert. This is not
always the case. It has beenproven to you many, many times and
times over. You need to useyour own critical thinking, your own internal
guidance system to gear you to say, evaluate what you hear, take a

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pause, look at things from anobjective level. We have stated this in
many of our communications with our withDean and with our with Aaron, that
you need to use your critical thinking, You need to take a pause and
look at things from an objective level. Don't react to things, and that
goes true for any situation in yourlife. Try not to be so reactionary

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to things. Try to take astep back, try to put the emotion
aside and evaluate the information that youare being presented with. Use your own
internal guidance system. Don't get caughtup in the different gadgets and gizmos and
the different Oh this is an expert. That's an expert. You don't know
until you do your own homework.And so this is sort of the main
message that we are wishing to deliverat this time because with the introduction of

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new ideas and potentially new alien racesthat are going to be more pertinent in
your day to day kind of life, that you're not going to be able
to ignore anymore. You're not goingto have a history look back on.
You're going to have to use yourown internal guidance system to sort of propel
you forward in your own judgment decisionmaking and so far as which way do
you want to go with your ownlife, not only as an individual,

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but as a collective. This isvery wise and beautiful advice. Use your
critical thinking so you hear listeners andviewers critical thinking, and unfortunately a lot
of people allow their own critical thinkingto be blotted out because they're so distracted
with things. I am curious though, how is it that you have the

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ability to see the future of humanity? Is it because you exist in a
different dimension, or is it becauseyou have advanced scientific technology that helps you
do so. We don't see thefuture nor predict the future. Only thing
that we can see, in yourterms, is a trajectory of energy,
of a collective energy ins far asits trajectory where humanity is at the present

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of your time as you know itand understand it. The consciousness level at
present, given its current trajectory,puts you on a path towards this particular
outcome. So that is what wesee. We see a trajectory based upon
the energy on your planet at thisparticular time. As you look back on
previous channeled sources from maybe one hundredyears ago, their trajectory might have been

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a little bit different for humanity.But nonetheless, the trajectory that we speak
of and what we potentially see isthat based upon the collective energetic level at
this time on your planet. Thisis what we see. We don't see
the future, We only see potentials. If we try to make this very
clear, we don't say okay onthis month of this day of your year,

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on this particular continent, on thismountaintop or whatever. We don't do
that. That's not that's not accurate, that's not true, because that could
shift based upon man's free will.You can have a sudden change in ideas
and ideology based upon your free will. So what we look at is the
overall collective energy and the trajectory ortrain track as we sometimes refer to it,

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as as where you're going at thisparticular time. Very very very interesting.
Thank you for that, much needed, much needed. So I'm curious
as to the spiritual aspects of whatyou speak and think about, as myself
a dedicated student of the modern spiritualguide called the Course in Miracles, which

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states that everything we see, thinkand perceive is that is not at home
in total oneness with all that iswith God is an illusion. Now that
would seemingly not only include me andall of humanity, but you also what
are your thoughts on this? Yes, everything is in those terms, you
could say everything is an illusion.It is merely a projection of the creator

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of itself, projecting its own existence, if you will, outward and getting
a reflection of itself back upon whatit puts out, and so when you
add free will into humanity, thenyou get all kinds of variants of activities
and things that could change. Sotechnically everything is an illusion because it is

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an external projection of the Creator ofitself into endless forms of life as you
know it. So everything is relativelyan illusion, but ultimately good or bad,
it goes back to the Creator becausethat is the one original source of
everything. When I had Dean Graveson my show a few weeks ago,
he came up with a really interestingterm. I had never heard, the

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intoxification of free will, And evidentlythat means that our free will is the
origin of our thought of being separatefrom the Creator and thus the creation of
illusion. Right, yes, yes, free will is the interpretation of being
separate from the Creator. Free willgives you the illusion that you are an

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independent, isolated being separate from theCreator, when that's not true. And
your ego helps develop your sense offree will, of your individuality, of
your separateness from the Creator, andso in your particular density, and as
you move forward, the goal oryour sort of evolutionary journey is to release
that sense of individuality, of self, of lookout for me, I'm number

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one. But to realize that youare part of the one infinite Creator,
and so to drop those false identitiesthat you bring along with you that make
you separate from your neighbor, yourfriend, your family member, and all
of humanity in general. So theintoxification of free will, the idea of
separation, extends not just to humanity, but to every seemingly entity and being

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in the universe. Right, yes, yes, yes, And as you
go through the densities, you graduallyrelease your ego, your sense of separateness,
and that is how you start tobegin to create a social memory complex.
When you realize that your own individuality, your own sense of self,
your own biases and prejudices, aren'tas important as the whole. You realize

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that it is a falsehood, thatthat is not truly who you are at
the core. You are Source,You are the Creator at the core.
So all of these external thoughts,beliefs, and things that you adopt or
bring along the way aren't really you, and so you have to start to
discard those in order to get backto who you really are, and that
is Source, that is the Creator, that is the goal of evolution.

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You know, I think about thisa lot, and sometimes I just wish
can I just go to sleep inmy bed and wake up and say,
Okay, I'm done with that crazyillusion and I'm just going back home to
source. That would be great,where the fun would be. There would
be no fun in that. Well, I guess you want to call it
fun. You know, we dohave fun besides killing each other and blowing

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up planets. Well, we hopethat that much of this might be potentially
coming to an end, but ultimatelyyou threw that free will in there,
and it can be swayed either way. But ultimately, the current trajectory of
the energy that we see it fromour perspective is one of choice. And
as we have stated, many ofyour humans, all if not most,

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have sort of sifted and sorted throughall the different scenarios and roles that they
have participated in, and only byparticipating and all of them can you truly
feel and know which one is bestfor you. And that's your own choice.
And so at this particular point,the trajectory of humanity has kind of
come to like, you know,we're kind of at the endgame here,
so you kind of need to makeup your mind to go one way or

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the other. Because because the EarthGaya has shifted into a fourth density planet
and so her energy level has shifted, it has shifted to a higher vibration.
So those that are still stuck inthe lower echelons of third density i
e. The hating, the killing, the negative energy is not going to
be supported anymore. And so thisis why you're going to see more friction

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within your governments, within your yourpeoples, within your family members are clashing
because their energy levels are completely different. So those that have it raised their
vibration, that have it shifted outof that negative mindset, so to speak,
that's a simple way to put it. But those that haven't shifted out
of that are going to be irritated. They're going to be irritated by people
that have shifted to a higher vibrationbecause it's an irritant to them because they

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can't match that vibration. So there'slots of friction and they don't know why.
So you're going to see people thatare going to be increasingly frustrated and
pulling out a gun and shooting theircoworker because they're mad. Well, they
don't know why they're mad. They'rewell they never acted this way before.
Well, this is why, becausetheir energy is no longer compatible with the
planet and with those that they aresurrounded by. So they're going to gravitate

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more to people that are more ontheir wavelengths, so to speak. So
you will see people, Hey,we were best friends for thirty years.
Gee, I wonder whatever happened toso and so I don't talk to them
anymore. Well, this is partof it, because your energy no longer
is compatible, so you are lesslikely to interact with those people. So
they're an irritant to you, andyou're an irritant to them, so you
don't want to spend time with thembecause where you used to be very friendly

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and getting along, well, you'veboth sort of made a choice, whether
you know it or not, andhave chosen a different trajectory for your current
incarnation. Boy, that's pretty interesting. You say that humanity is at its
end game, which brings me toask you if we can discuss these terms
a little more service to others andservice to self? What exactly do these

(30:10):
terms mean? In a nutshell serviceto others? Those are people that have
made a decision to realign with thecreator, to drop their false identity,
to drop their ego, to realizethat the benefit of the whole is the
way that they want to be.They want to be reunified with the creator.
They want to have that sense ofbeing back with source of stability,

(30:30):
of love, of clearness, ofclarity. Those that go towards service to
self, as the word imply,their priority is themselves. They seek money,
power, dominance over others. Theirown gains outweigh anyone that they have
to subjugate or kill, or stealfrom or hurt. As long as they

(30:53):
get ahead, you know, thecollateral damage is irrelevant. So that is
their trajectory that is further away fromthe sense of unity and oneness. That
is the path they take. Soas a result, as you go up
the evolutionary chain, so speak,through the densities, they become more and
more isolated. Because in order toget to the top, right, the
top executive of a company, thetop dictator of a country, they have

(31:17):
to suppress those below them that aretrying to take their job, to take
their positions. So they have toscheme and steal and maim and hurt those
that are trying to get their power. As if there isn't enough to go
around. So that is their mindset, that is their goal, and so
the collateral damage along the way becomesirrelevant. And you can see this played

(31:37):
out in your governments all across theworld. It's fairly obvious. And so
that in a nutshell is the differencebetween service to self and service to others.
Well, and this show, ofcourse is all about service to others,
and speaking to friends like you andmany of my colleagues, there's a

(31:59):
growing, growing, growing portion ofthese service to other people like Aaron and
Dean and so many other beautiful otherpeople. And I think this is a
saving grace or humanity, and itgoes back to that choice. But I
continue on this little theme here.Evidently it seems as if the humans and

(32:19):
other entities that have controlled the power, money, and religions of the world
are members of this service to selfsegment. How and why did they come
into power on Earth in the firstplace. What it happened was was that
many service to other beings, suchas your Jesus, your Buddha, those
Abraa of Egypt, other groups havecome forward throughout your history to present ideas

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to help lift humanity, to presentthese ideas of oneness, of unity,
of generosity, of compassion and caring. That was their mission, if you
will, their goal. Unfortunately,the timeframes of your Earth experience that they
chose to make themselves incarnate and werenot ready for that type of information.

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And so what had happened was wasthat that type of information became hoarded by
those that ruled the land at thetime, that ruled the empires, and
so they hoarded that information and thenthey used it against their people. They
said, ah, this god cameto me and they told me that.
Well, well they didn't mention thegold and the money part, but we're
just going to throw that in there. So yes, they want you to
be good and nice, nice,but you got to give us gold and

(33:25):
you got to give us money becauseotherwise they're going to come back and kill
you and you're going to go tothis place called hell and bad things are
going to happen. So you betterlisten to me. So can you see
how this distortion of this knowledge thatwas revolutionary so to speak, for their
time, it got very distorted andit became very hoarded, and so throughout
history they gained more and more controlbecause it induced such a level of fear

(33:46):
within their population that their population didn'tknow any different. It wasn't that they
were stupid, they were just ignorant. They didn't have any other sort of
ideas, or they didn't have anInternet to bounce these ideas off of people
across the world. They were verylimited in the access to information that they
had, and the few that didhave it really distorted it for their own
benefit. And so that has perpetuatedthroughout all of your history. As you

(34:08):
can see as you look back throughyour historical records. Wow, the history
of mankind and not even mentioning anyother races, star races is just insane.
As a matter of fact, I'vehad guests and even it stated and
of course in miracles that the worldis insane. Oh man, Well,

(34:30):
that depends upon your definition of sanity. But it has had its challenges.
It's had its challenges, for sure. But you can see they're through your
history, the distortion of many greatideas that have been presented, how they
became distorted throughout the time and throughthe history because many people, for example,
back in your time of Jesus andbuddh and some of these other people,

(34:52):
many people couldn't read or write,and so they had to rely on
these scholars at the time that didhave the ability to do the things to
write it down, and you know, and so when they did that,
you know, they were able tokind of tweak it here and maybe leave
a few verses out here, orsort of well, I know that so
and so said this, but maybeif we make it sound like that,
then more people will listen to usand give us more money and more land.

(35:15):
Yeah, let's do that. Sothat's sort of how the manipulation begins,
and then it just gets magnified generationafter generation after generation. And then
with that you perpetuate the sense offear that, yes, if you don't
do this, you're going to goto this bad place and burn in what
you call hell, and you know, all these horrible things are going to
happen, and so people get scaredand they become afraid to question it.

(35:36):
And then if they do question it, well then there are serious ramifications.
Well, you know, there is, as we already mentioned, a growing
segment of humankind that is waking upto the fact that everyday life is controlled
by this small, powerful service toself cadre of the world's population. Now,
I know you're not predicting the future, but do you think there's going

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to be a time when the majorityof the people on earth finly make the
realization of this and just stop obeyingthese people. There's going to be a
bifurcation in the population. There's goingto be a large majority that are going
to reject these current ideas and thesecurrent systems that have been in place for
eons of your time, and they'regoing to make great effort to change those

(36:22):
systems. And those that are ahead, those that run those systems are either
going to have to modify their beliefsand change their day to day business,
so to speak, or they're goingto either be eradicated from power, or
they're going to choose to go elsewhere. So that's one trajectory. The other
portion of the population, this isthe choice we're speaking of, the other

(36:44):
choice portion of the population that choosesto hold on to those ideas and still
play and participate in the Okay,you're the you're the head boss, you're
the head honcho, you're the headgod, and I'll just do whatever you
tell me, and I'm going tobe You'll follow you to the end.
They're going to go to a differentversion of Earth. And that's fine.
There's no right, there's no wrong. The universe is very objective in whatever
you want to do, it willsupport you. And terms good and bad,

(37:06):
you know, evil good, thoseare terms that are applied to any
situation by humanity. So the universewill support you whichever way you throw your
energy. So people that want tocontinue on that trajectory will go to a
different version of Earth that continues onthat path, and those that choose not
to will go to a different versionof Earth that continues on the path towards
unification with the Creator. So there'sno right or wrong per se. But

(37:29):
those are choices that kind of needto be made because you've been flipping and
flopping as a you know, asa third density experience here on Earth.
You've been going back and forth,back and forth, and so now people
are starting to really choose, andyou see this in your day to day
news and activities, and you knowwhy it's so, and still pull out
again and shoot all these people.It makes no sense. Well, as
we've stated before, the energies areincompatible, and those that are you know,

(37:52):
saying hey, you know, let'slet's go ahead and let's work on
this ecological system and make it better. And so more and more people are
grouping to make heal the earth andgo that way. So there's going to
be this more of a division withinthe population, but ultimately the Earth is
going to bifurcate into one or theother. And this is what we speak
of. Very yeah, very veryinteresting. I'm sorry, I'm just kind

(38:17):
of filtering all this. This ispretty amazing now. I heard you mentioned
I'm one of your chatting with theOarcturians where that Dean hosts that soon a
humankind will be in contact more andmore visibly with beings from other star systems,

(38:37):
et cetera, et cetera. Isthis where the critical thinking comes in,
because some of those beings are goingto be serviced to self and some
are service to the others. Right, but we have to decide yes,
absolutely, And this is why wereiterate in our previous chats that we have
had with our friend Dean, isthat people need to start tuning into their

(38:58):
own intuition. You need to stoplooking at your gadgets and your TVs,
and you need to look up intothe sky. You need to contemplate,
you need to figure out who youare as a person without all these external
noise, without all of this TVand phones and things rigging and buzzing.
You need to figure out who youare as an individual so that when you

(39:19):
are presented with new ideas and potentiallynew beings that you've never seen before,
there's no not geo that's going tosay, oh, we know everything about
this type of being, or there'snot going to be a Google search.
There may be, but is theinformation correct? You don't know. So
this is why you have to evaluatethe information that's being presented to you and
not be so reactionary to you.You know, don't be so reenactionary to

(39:42):
it. You need to evaluate isthis true for me? Does this make
sense? Does this being that I'venever seen before that has all these neak
gadgets and really interesting things? Don'tget caught up and all of that.
You need to say, well,that's a neat gadget, But why did
your society feel the need to createthat? What you need to ask the
why behind things? Why did youcreate this? Why did your society feel
you neated this? Why are youhere for one thing? Weren't you happy

(40:06):
on your own planet? Why areyou here? These are things that need
to be asked. That's the criticalthinking. So with anything, don't get
so enamored with, you know,the gadget and the wording and this and
that, but sift through it anddoes the does the information make sense?
Does it? Does it resonate withyou? Does it does it say yeah,
you know what that makes sense tome? Or I'm not so sure.

(40:29):
And as we've stated before, that'sthat's the same with what we tell
anybody. If if what we're sayingdoesn't resonate with you, then then then
leave it behind. If it does, then take it with you. It's
the same with any information. You'represented with it but doesn't resonate with you,
then leave it behind to take whatdoes. And so you know,
we're not saying we're the be alland all of it of any subject matter

(40:50):
by any means. We are justpresenting information. But we urge you to
use your own critical thinking and torecognize your own power that has been so
taken away and roded from you overa millennia of your time due to these
institutions that have manipulated very good informationfor their own benefit. And so your

(41:12):
own sense of power has been soeroded away and taken away that you've sort
of lost or forgotten who you areas a soul, as an individual.
And that's what you need to getback to, so that when you are
presented with new ideas and beings youdon't recognize you're going to have your own
internal guidance system that you need totrust. And these are things that we
would highly recommend that you start investigatingand practicing with now if you haven't done

(41:35):
so already. I'm so glad youbrought up this term critical thinking because right
now here on Earth that probably seemslike a foreign language to somebody. What
does that mean along with the wordintegrity. But again, I'm pretty good
at shifting gears here. I amreally interested in healing and self healing,

(41:55):
so I would like to find outmore about your healing chamber so that Aaron
calls a pod. I've also heardthe term med beds. How do they
work? Are you referring to?Are what she terms the pod? For
example? Yeah, we do havecraft. Most beings you know do have

(42:17):
some sort of craft because you haveto remember that coming from our particular density,
our energy is much lighter, it'smuch let's confined. Let's constrained,
and so to come down into yourdensity, it's a very heavy existence.
So we do have to have somesort of physical mechanism, if you will.
But essentially, what it is isit's just as Aaron humorously stated,

(42:40):
we would not call it a tanningbed. However, this is her humor
that we too incorporate. It doesresemble somewhat of a tanning bed. But
what it is essentially is it takesthe human body in and it realigns the
energy fields. And so in doingthat it sort of stimulates different cell growth
and sort of eliminates toxins, andit just rebalances the energy. But again

(43:02):
it's not just a chemical physical changethat has to occur. Primarily, most
healing occurs on a spiritual level onyour theorical body, your spiritual body,
the energy that you hold within you, and that energy is based upon your
thoughts, beliefs, biases, prejudices, what you think, and that is
your energy field and that's what youhold into you. So you need to

(43:25):
be able to balance that. Andso from an external source, whether it
be us with the pod or oryour doctors or your physicians, the healing
comes internally it's just you can haveexternal support, but it's you ultimately that
heals yourself. So we for herwhen we brought her to our pod because
she was ill for a while andwe were able to help her with that.

(43:45):
But again you have to do yourpart too. And that's the other
thing, is that humanity needs tosort of step up a little bit and
start taking some initiative. Things aren'tjust going to happen for you. You
need to put forth effort. Youneed to invest in your own wellbeing.
You can't just take a pill.You can't just talk to a doctor.

(44:05):
You can't just get this new thingpatch or whatever drug to put in your
system and it'll all be better.It has to You have to invest your
own time and energy to heal yourself. And this is why many of your
people get stick sick and stay sickbecause they don't investigate all aspects of illness
and all the aspects to heal.And so what we are saying is that
our pod facilitates these things, butagain the facilitation can only go so far.

(44:30):
It is you as an individual thatyou have to heal yourself from inside
out. External sources can help,but that true healing has to come from
your own internal energy source, soto speak. Well, everything you say
confirms my belief that that humans alreadyhave the ability ability to self heal.

(44:50):
And so as you stated, mostillnesses and injuries are spiritually base. So
if we understand that we already havethe power because we are one with the
creator and creator, all is allthat is. So, yeah, it
seems logical to me. Yes,yes it is. And again, as
we've stated previously in just a fewmoments of your time ago, that many

(45:15):
of these sense of power and healingand integrity and moving forward with your own
life has been roaded away by allof these institutions that you have given your
power away. You choose to participatein that, and so as a result,
you need to take responsibility for yourcontribution to your presence status, whether

(45:36):
it be your own physical wellbeing oryour own governments or societies, or whatever
the case may be. You participatein that as well. So it is
also self responsibility that goes into alot of these things too, which many
people don't like to hear. Soyou need to take some self responsibility for
your own healing as well as yourown sort of evolutionary journey on a spiritual

(45:58):
level. It's not just going tobe handed to you. There is.
You do have the power, youdo have the ability, it's just that
through your history you have been taughtotherwise. And those are very difficult barriers
to break down and break through becauseit's scary because many people are so ingrained
with fear that oh my gosh,if I speak out, or if I
if I disagree with this this horribledictator, I'm going to be killed maybe,

(46:20):
but you don't know that. Ifyou get enough of you together,
it may not be such an issue. But again, it's that overwhelming sense
of fear with anything, whether you'rediagnosed with an illness, or you have
a dictator for a ruler, orthere's some ecological disaster, whatever it may
be. It's you have the powerand the ability within you to heal yourself
and to propel yourself forward, butit has to come from inside of you

(46:45):
as well as from external sources.And not just only in America but also
throughout the world. The medical industryhas become almost like what the term the
military industrial complex. There every hospitalhas construction cranes around them and is growing

(47:07):
larger and larger, and even youknow The entrainment continues through the media.
I listen to baseball games and commercialscomes up for the latest cancer institute.
You know, we are going tosave you and do this, And so
people believe more and more and more, and the medical industries continue to gain
control over the people's thoughts that weneed them to heal us, and yet

(47:30):
mankind has ability to heal themself,right right, this is this is very
true. But for many of yourpeople's this is a relatively novel concept.
People say, oh, I've heardof that, or oh that's interesting,
or oh gosh, that must havebeen a miracle. Well it's not.
It's only a miracle from your perspectivebecause it's not something that you and it's

(47:51):
not something you invest or time orenergy in. It is something that you
see as something that's occurring outside ofyou. And that's not the case.
The case is is that those andthose Oh I was sick and I'm suddenly
better. I couldn't walk and nowI can't. That's an internal process and
that doesn't happen overnight. You don'tget sick overnight. Illnesses don't just suddenly
you wake up one day and allof a sudden you have stage work cancer.

(48:12):
It doesn't work like that. Thosediseases take a long time to progress,
and by the time they manifest,by the time it really gets your
attention, you are very often ina very bad way. And so many
times diseases are forcing you to sitstill, to sit with yourself. You
can't walk, you can't get up, you can't go to work, you
can't go to your friend's house,you can't go to the movies, whatever
it may be, it is forcingyou to sit still and examine yourself and

(48:37):
only and then extreme cases, itwill get to that point to force people
as an individual to look at themselvesand begin to make those changes if they
choose. But again that has tocome from within. Now. Hopefully it
won't get to that point, butoftentimes it does. Very good point,
very good point. Thank you forthat. I have a question about modern
tech technology as it is right nowon Earth, specifically cell phones. It

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appears that the vast majority of peopleare addicted and controlled by their cell phone.
How is this? How and whyhas this happened? I mean,
literally everybody you walk around is justthey're focus only on their cell phone and
nothing outside of them. It wasthis planned, It wasn't originally planned.
Again, see that from our perspective, we see many of your new technologies

(49:24):
as starting out as brilliant ideas.But the problem with a lot of many
of your technologies is it's a reallyneat thing and it's a really wow,
this is a great idea. ThisWow, we can make this, We
can make this happen. But again, should you We believe there's one funny
movie line, just because we candoesn't mean we should. And so again

(49:46):
the question is, yeah, wecan make this, but what are the
ramifications. What are let's think thisall the way through to the end.
What's the best case scenario, what'sthe worst case scenario? Just because we
can make an atomic momb Wow,this is great physics, This is really
exciting. Wow, this is superduper. And then you blow up something
massive in the desert, and thenyou realize, oh wait a minute,

(50:06):
Wow, this was really great ina law and it looked really neat when
we were writing on the chalkboard,but we didn't think it would really cause
alt. So you see, sojust because you know you can make all
these things, it doesn't necessarily makeit a great thing. Now, your
cell phones, they have many greatpurposes, as have been demonstrated. You're
able to communicate with friends and withfamily, and if you have an emergency
you can get help right away andthings like that. There's nothing wrong with

(50:27):
those things. But again it's upto you to meet her yourself. Do
I want to be looking at thisgadget ten hours a day, six hours
a day? Do I really needthat? What would happen if it went
away? We recall in your time, we believe it was a few of
your months ago, the Internet wentdown and our instrument got to work,
and everybody was all and it didtheer. Oh did you realize that?

(50:49):
Verizon went down, and AT andT went down and oh my gosh,
all my apps went out on myphone. She didn't even know what happened.
I mean, she doesn't even turnher phone on. And so she
just went to work about her businessand couldn't figure out why everybody was so
worked up. And everybody was butyou know what, they still got to
work, They still managed to gettheir coffee, they still manage to see
their patients. It wasn't the endof the world. So again you have

(51:14):
to take respond Again. It goesback to that response self responsibility. Do
you want to be looking at thisthing? I mean, we joke with
our instrument because she we will disclosethis. We do have our permission.
She tends to I'm going to goto bed, and then she's on Instagram
for like forty five minutes. Sowe tell her, okay, you know,
the next night, Okay, okay, I'm gonna go I'm gonna check
out Instagram. So we put alittle thought in her head. She doesn't

(51:34):
like this, but we put alittle thought in her head. Do you
remember what you watched last night onthere? Well? No, she'll show
to reply no, but it wasfunny. But do you remember, well
no, well, then turn itoff. So so we do toy with
her in that respect. But it'sthe same kind of thing. So,
yes, it's nice, and yesit's neat, but does it need to
occupy forty five minutes of your timewhen you could be sleeping and resting.

(51:57):
Probably not. We have been speakingwith our friend Aaron Gordon and her friends,
the Octorians who come through her withthis beautiful wisdom and love and knowledge,
and we so appreciate it. AndI want to thank you, my
friends, for being patient with me. I'm sure, I've seen I've probably
have asked questions that overlap each otherand seen the same to you. No,
no note at all. One.I'm going to wind up a little

(52:22):
bit. I've got a couple morequestions. But artificial intelligence seems to be
on a path to controlling mankind?And is this on purpose? Also?
Everything everything is designed with purpose inmind, and not just from your own
human standpoint, but on a spiritualpoint too, And again part of its

(52:45):
design again is to encourage your owncritical thinking and your own reasoning. Do
I want to interact with an artificialintelligence or would I rather interact with a
human being? So again, doesan artific intelligence? Does it have its
own soul, its own internal guidancesystem, does it have its own intuition?

(53:06):
Those are questions that you need toevaluate as a collective and with whom
would you rather choose to spend moretime with? And artificial intelligence is going
to tell you what you want tohear or are you going to want to
interact with a human that is feeling, thinking, has a soul, has
emotion, and you, from ourperspective, you can't necessarily place those qualities
into a machine. Very very wiseadvice thank you, thank you. And

(53:31):
again that's where the critical thinking comesin. What can a normal human being
currently living in the normal three Dlife in a body do right now,
right now to help make the worlda happier, healthier, safer, more
loving and non judgmental place. Whatcan they do well? We will say

(53:52):
this is very cliche, but wewill say start with yourself. Start evaluating
your own choices, decision making,and also your own reactions to things that
you deem negative. Nothing is negativeunless you put a meaning behind it.
For example, we'll just conclude withthis. If we tell you Susie likes
a red dress, but that hecomes along and says, I hate a

(54:14):
blue dress, do you think Susie'sgoing to care. No, because she
doesn't put value on that. Sheputs value on the other. So again,
use your critical thinking and don't bereactionary. But again, look at
your own internal guidance system and yourown feeling and look at people with compassion.
Instead of saying that's so horrible whatthey did. They shouldn't have done
that, stop and think why didthey do that? Let me look at

(54:37):
this from an objective point of view. Did this person really start their day
wanting to be mean and nasty.Probably not, so maybe there's something else
going on. So maybe instead ofme being reactionary back to them, maybe
I need to show a little compassion, have a little pause and say,
you know what, they cut meoff in traffic, not the end of
the world. I'm going to goabout my day and I wish them well,
beautiful, beautiful on my own spiritualpath, I have followed that path

(55:00):
too, So yeah, and itworks, It really does work. Oh,
my friends, you are so beautiful. Thank you. What an honor
to be able to talk with you. And we love what you're doing here
to help humanity move to a better, beautiful, loving place and hopefully at
one point we can join in onewith you and back with the creator.

(55:22):
And thank you and I appreciate it. Thank you, Carl. We applaud
your effort in this field. Thankyou for your time. Sorry, Aaron
is back. It takes me aminute. Yeah, you came back pretty

(55:43):
quickly. Okay, Now, Aaron, do you remember anything that they said
or do you have to go backand listen? Not really, no,
not really. Well, we hada far ranging discussion here and it was
it was exciting and I'll send you. I'll send you the video so you

(56:04):
can you can listen or watch it. Yeah, and Dean will a test.
I'm a hand talker, so ifI do a lot of this,
they do a lot of that,so you kind of twist it in your
Yeah, I tend to move.I don't know. Maybe we'll put a
little breaks on this next time,but I do intend to. So,
Aaron has been a great having youon the show. I know, as

(56:27):
we mentioned at the start, thisis kind of a coming out your first
time really putting this out other thanyour chatting with the Octurian show that you
do with Dean. Are you openhaving people connect and communicate with you,
and if so, how can theydo that? Yeah, I would say
probably just go through Dean's website toconnect with us, Okay, and I

(56:50):
will. I will put that websiteup in the show notes here, and
I believe that's d Ddean Graves dotOrg. I think that's it. Yeah,
Yeah, and we can resend itto you with clarification. I'll do
that for you. Wow, justmind blowing. This is awesome. So
Aaron and Dean is off to theside helping out, but thank you.

(57:12):
Gosh, that was awesome. Thankyou very much for You're amazing. Thank
you for being all right, Carl. Thank you. I appreciate your time
and interest. This is World Awakenings, the Fast Track to Enlightenment with your

(57:38):
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