July 30, 2025 • 54 mins
World Awakenings: The Fast Track to Enlightenment episode #214 is blessed to have Tom Kenyon as our guest. He is a self-described Neo-pagan, Tibeten buddhist,Taoist, agnostic, quantum physicist & mystic, all rolled into some strange amalgam. Tom is also a renowned sound alchemist, psychotherapist and shaman. He is regarded as a pioneer in the field of psycho-acoustic research and is an acclaimed practitioner of psycho-acoustic healing. He is dedicated to integrating modern science with ancient mysticism through the power of sound, and at the inception of his career, he was an aspiring country musician, however, in the early stages of his life, he encountered a series of mystical experiences that forever altered his life path. Using his nearly four-octave range voice, in tandem with other acoustic instruments, he creates deeply altered states of consciousness that access the brain’s unused potentials for heightened creativity and spiritual insight. Tom is also an accomplished writer & filmmaker and in 2014 he produced the movie “Song of the New Earth” which is a documentary that looks at his work in the field of sound healing & psycho-spiritual transformation. He is also the author of several books, including “The Great Human Potential”, “The Arcturian Anthology”, “The Magdalen Manuscript”, and “The Hathor Material: Messages from an Ascended Civilization”.
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To find out more about the amazing Tom Kenyon, just go to his website https://tomkenyon.com/
The book mentioned by Tom Kenyon is "Stalking the Wild Pendulum: On the Mechanics of Consciousness" by Itzhak Bentov
Make sure to check out World Awakenings now being broadcast on New Reality TV! Find out how to watch it by clicking the link!
To find out more about the amazing Tom Kenyon, just go to his website https://tomkenyon.com/
The book mentioned by Tom Kenyon is "Stalking the Wild Pendulum: On the Mechanics of Consciousness" by Itzhak Bentov
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is World Awakenings, the Fast Track to Enlightenment with
your host, Carl Gruber. World Awakenings is a podcast dedicated
to opening your mind, your heart, and your eyes to
the fact that the world's population is now more than
ever awakening to all things spiritual, metaphysical, and enlightening and
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just how they play an all important role in our
daily life. So join Carl on this enlightening experience as
he interviews metaphysical and spiritual experts to discuss, debate, and
delve deeply into the house and whis of this world
wide awakening.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Hey everyone, welcome to episode number two fourteen of World Awakenings,
A Fast Track to Enlightenment. I'm your host, Carl Gruber.
Now in your number seven of doing the show. I'd
like to remind you that you can watch his show
on YouTube and now also on New Reality TV. And
don't forget if simply listening to this show is your
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preferred method, you can find us on Apple Podcasts and
also literally on almost any online audio only provider like Spotify, Pandora,
Amazon Music, and many more. Now let's head straight to
meet our guests for today's show. We are blessed to
have Tom kenyon On as our guest. He is a
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self described I Love this, neo pagan, Tibetan Buddhist, Taoist, agnostic,
quantum physicist, and mystic all rolled into some strange amalgam.
Now Tom is also a renowned sound alchemist, psychotherapist, and shaman.
He's regarded as a pioneer in the field of psychoacoustic
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research and is an acclean practitioner of psychoacoustic healing. He
is dedicated to integrating modern science with ancient mysticism through
the power of sound. And the inception of his career,
he was an aspiring, inspiring country musician I love that. However,
in the early stages of his life he encountered a
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series of mystical experiences that forever altered his life path. Now,
using nearly his four octave range voice in tandem with
other acoustic instruments, he creates deeply altered states of consciousness
that access the brains on used potentials for heightened creativity
and spiritual insight. And Tom is also an accomplished writer
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and filmmaker. In twenty fourteen, he produced The Song of
the New Earth, which is a documentary that looks at
his work in the field of sound healing and Psycho's
spiritual trans I watched that whole movie over the last
couple of days. Man, I really recommend it. It's incredible.
And finally, he's the author of several books, including The
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Great Human Potential, The Octurian Anthology, The Magdalen Manuscript, and
The Hawthorn Material Messages from an Ascended Civilization. With that, Tom,
Welcome to World Awakenings.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Nice to be with you, Carl, Tom.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I was going to try to shorten that intro, but
I mean, you just there's so much to you. I really,
I'm so blessed and appreciated, appreciating that you are here.
But I'm not sure where to start. But maybe you
can tell us how you went from being an aspiring
country musician to have having some mystical experiences that led
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to your whole new life of research and sound healing.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Well, it happened before I went into country music. I
was a teenager on my uncle's farm in Hillsboro, North Carolina,
and I was walking across the pasture were some cows
were off in the distance, and I felt compelled to
sit underneath the tree and my hands went into I
didn't know what they were, but they were called mudras.
And I went into a half lotus, which I'd never
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done before. Didn't know anything about yoga. I'm a white
boy from North Carolina, and I went into some state
where I lost awareness of the external world. Instead, I
was totally aware of something inside me that was aware
and awake, and some traditions it's called the iem awareness.
I thought a short period had passed, but when I
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opened and finally opened my eyes, the sun was setting,
so I had been out there for many hours, and
cows had wandered up, so there were like three cows.
There were a bunch of cows around me, but three
cows were right in my face looking at me. I'd
love to know what they were thinking and feeling, But
for me, I sent me on a quest to find
out what the heck was this. I went into psychology.
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I at the same time was studying mysticism and all
the different traditions of the world, trying to find an
answer to what happened to the white boy in North Carolina.
In that field, and it led me into Christian mysticism first.
Then I went into Hinduism and Taoism, and I incorporated
a lot of things from those traditions. So, in answer
to your question about my musical career in Nashville, this
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is really weird. I would perform and all the studio
engineers would come up to me and say, you're going
to be discovered. You're going to be discovered. Just you
need to wait, just to be patient. Well what happened
eventually was I had an old Ford called Big Red,
and it was a full moon, and I just felt
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something weird had happened to the car. So I went
out the next morning to go to work and it
wouldn't start. And it turned out to be the timing
belt and it was going to be two thousand dollars.
We're talking about in the seventies. That musta have been
It could have been one hundred thousand dollars. I couldn't
pay for it, so I hitched a ride with a
friend of mine going back to North Carolina. I was
in Nashville at the time, and on the way back,
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it's a very long story, but let's get cut to
the chase. I met a psychic named Marion Starnes in Greensboro,
and she was a powerful, one of the most powerful
psychics I've ever met. And I wasn't into this stuff
at all, but I felt in that meeting to go
up and see if I could get a session. And
her secretary was standing right there and she said, you
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are You don't have a session, it will take a year.
You'll put you on the waiting list. And I remember
Mary Starnes turned her and say, hold it to the
other person. I will see him on my lunch break.
So I saw her and she told me things about
my life that no one could have known because I
never told anyone, not even my girlfriends. And she said,
what's going to help? What would have happened if you
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had stayed in Nashville another month, you would have been
discovered and you would have gone into a career as
country music. But your soul wanted something different. You came
here to heal with your voice, and that's why that
didn't happen in Nashville. And this is your new phase
of what's happening. And of course I was like kind
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of pissed, like, who's telling me I can't do what
I want to do? But it was, for lack of
a better term, my spiritual aspect, whatever we want to
call it, came in and changed the course of my life,
and I think that happens probably a lot with a
lot of people who go into this type of expiration.
Something moved them, compelled them to go in that direction.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
So your spiritual guys sabotaged your car, So.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
You see, it would seem or a grand coincidence, but
it seems like something like that happened.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah. Yeah, Well I'm curious because, like I said, I
watched your amazing movie about your life and what you do,
that spiritual awakening under that tree when you're eighteen in
a field with Kyle staring at you. What were you like?
Were you like that before as a kid? Did you
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have any unusual abilities that led you to that.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I was a strange child.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
We all are in our own way, right right.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I think so, Yeah, I was pretty much an introvert.
But I remember about a week before that encounter in
the pasture, I got hooked into Krishnamurdi and I had
a series of lectures that he was given giving on PBS,
and I was just enthralled, just enthralled, and went into
his view of things that might have been the trigger.
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I don't know, it was just in the sequence of time.
So I don't know. Want that answers your question.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
No, well that's interesting because you know, I to if
you hadn't had any inkling towards you know, spiritual spirituality
or metaphysics, and all of a sudden you're in a
field and blam, that would be interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yes, it was.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So what drives you to integrate scientific research with your
ancient mysticism.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Well, I got training as a psychological counselor my master's degree,
and I discovered that about that time, we're talking about
the nineteen eighties, the work of doctor Lazonov, the Lauson
of Institute in Bulgaria was coming out and he had
documented for the first time scientifically that music at sixty
beats per minute, and he was looking at largo movements
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out of Baroque music increased health activity in the brain.
And this was very revolutionary at the time. Now it's
just we know this, there's no deal with it, But
at that time it was revolutionary. So I started playing
classical music for my clients and they went deeper and
faster because I worked with Ericsonian medical hypnosis was one
of the main things I worked with. And then because
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I'm a musician, I said, well, I'm going to compose
some music at sixty beats per minut and see what
I come up with. So I did that, and I
played it for my clients, and they wanted to hear
what I wrote rather than the baroque music. Of course,
that's just probably familiarity. But it took off on its own.
And then I realized we're in the early eighties, and
I realized scientifically, we did not really understand this, and
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so I formed a loose knit group of researchers around
the country to look at how sound and vibration affect
the brain and the mind. And it just took off
on its own. And my favorite story about that was
a professor of physiology at a midwestern university sent me
a letter. This is before emails, so he sent me
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this old, this letter with a printout of an EEG
study and he said what happened was a student was
in his class and he made the stop the statement
that music can increase outh activity, but it can't increase
state activity. So the student raises the sans, excuse me,
a professor, but I have a tape right here. So
we're talking nineteen eighties tapes, not CDs. I would tell
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her that does just that. And he says, okay, come
up here and let's let's find out. So he used
the scientific method, hooked somebody else up, not that student,
another student, and there was an increase of THET activity
and he couldn't believe it, and he said, there's something
wrong with the equipment. So he actually took the equipment
apart and found out it was working. And so then
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he ran some more studies. And what fascinated to him
was and this is the synchronicity. He at the time
was studying yoga and he was studying potentially, and he
knew about the chakras. Of course it's not scientific, but
at the top of the head where you put eeg
electrodes happens to correspond with the crown chakra. It's just
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a coincidence. But the burst of THET activity was at
the crown that electrode. So it lit up, and he said,
so help me show the scientific world that music is
a viable method. So that's you know, that's just one
of many many stories.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
You had a great example of that in your movie.
I believe it was they played Brahms lullabies to newly
born children in the hospital, and the ones that heard
the bronze lullaby left and went home with her moms
much quicker than the ones that didn't get the music
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played to them.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Right, very very solid research.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, wow, just amazing stuff. You know the other thing too,
you're practicing psychotherapists, but you're also a shaman. How do
these two seemingly different vocations coexist.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, there's an interesting nesting of those two. Essentially, because
I had worked in arisonia medical hypnosis, I was very
familiar with altered states of consciousness. I helped people move
quicker through their material using altered states as a vehicle,
and shamanism was just a natural expression. What what happened
with this was I had read a research study that
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showed that a researcher by the name of Maxwell, it
was a woman by the way, documented that shamanic drumming,
a certain type of shamanic drumming, increased data activity. So
that was a scientific fact. It was you know, it's data.
So I was very intrigued with that. So I got
a remo drum to play around with see if I
could reproduce that, and I could produce a theta state
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just using the drum and my voice. So I got
to know my current wife and she was into shamanism.
And this is for the imaginary box for your listeners.
She had turned me onto these shamanic drums, and I
had probably five or six different high drums on the
stage with me and the remo. I always went to
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the remo because it always holds its pitch. A high
drum will change. So I started to reach for the
remo and I started hurting hearing the drums talking to me.
So from a neurological standpoint, you could say I was
in a receptive brainstraate. I was not in my normal
beta activity. I was in the alpha theta free flowing,
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and I could hear the drums talking to me. And
in the shamanic addition, it's understood that the spirit of
the drum is part of the communication from the drum.
It's not just the pulsation of the signal. It's the
actual spirit and that's the shamanic part of it. So
the drums were talking to me, and I had a
big elk drum and a bear drum and a little drum.
And the elks said, aya can take them over into
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the rainbow, and the bear said, I can do the same,
And the little voice, the little bear, the little tiny
bear drum said, bigger is not necessarily better. I heard,
so I picked up the little drum and it was amazing.
So I most most often use high drums because the
spirit interface is very interesting and potentially quite potent and healing,
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depending on the person.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I do know that, although I've never participated in one,
that drum circles are very big in many shamanic in
you know, spiritual communities, that type of thing. So let
me ask you this question. The drums have a spirit.
So this may seem like a silly question, but seemingly
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inorganic items have spirits.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
When you say high drumm, you're referring to that is inorganic.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Well, a drum is material. I mean, we don't understand
it to be a living being, but evidently there is
a living aspect to it.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah. Again, Shamanically, I think we're the sciences are beginning
to look at the subtleties of these types of things,
but we don't have enough data to form a conclusion.
But in the shamanic tradition and my experience is that
the high drum carries the energy of the animal. So
it literally the molecular structure of the animal is somehow
in that and it opens a doorway if you're open
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to it, for that spirit to come in. And when
you are striking the drum, you are creating a vibrational
field that connects you to that spirit of the animal,
if that is your belief and you're intent engine otherwise, Yeah,
it's just an It's just an inert thing that you're
banging on. But shamonically looks at it very, very differently.
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So everything is alive, everything is conscious.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, everything I've read. I even said that rocks have
spirit and consciousness. So everything's energy. Why not? You know,
I understand that now you travel the world performing your
psychoacoustic immersion workshops to sol out audiences. Much of that
is on your movie. How did you discover that you
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could use your voice and your four octave vocal range
or sound healing and therapy.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Started in bars?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, all right, contribute.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
It was when I am a musician and I put myself
through university partly by playing in bars, and I would
play piano and guitar, and I discovered that I could
change the mood of the ball by what I played.
And if I played a sad song and I had
a tip jar on the piano, so those who were
depressive would really like that sad song and they would
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come up to the piano and say, Tom, play me
another sad song, and they throw a five dollar bill
in or whatever. And then when I played a happy song,
the happy people would come up, Tom, play me another
happy song. So and I began to understand it was
how I attacked the keys or the strings of the guitar.
And I didn't have the scientific understanding of this until
I came across the brilliant work of Manfred Cleins, who
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created a theory called synic waves and centic waves are
the vibrational field that's created by sound. And he discovered
by accident that he could make people cry when he
played piano. And it wasn't because he played poorly. It
was how he was attacking the keys. The texture, the
timbre was affected in such a way that it would
create an emotional response in people. So when I started
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to go into the work scientifically quote unquote on acoustic
brain research, I had that knowledge through mantred clients on
my own experience. So I began to look at how
could I create emotional cynic waveforms that would assist people.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Wow, that's beautiful that you could combine such beautiful scientific
knowledge with your creativity as a musician.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
It was fun. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, and affect people in a beautiful way. But let's
talk about your psychoacoustic immersion seminars. Like I said, much
of that is on your movie. What happens in these seminars.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Well, essentially, I spend the first part of the time
talking with people about the science of sound and the
neurology of altered states. So we have a foundation. Because
I don't want to jump into woogu land. I actually
divide the stage into three parts. The left side of
the stage is the cognitive left brain, and the right
brain is the nonverbal and that's where I do all
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the soundwork is on the right side. And then the
middle of the corpus a lossom that communicates between these
two hemispheres. So I create a structure for people to understand. Yeah,
when you go into the two, when you go really
far into the non dominant brain, things get very weird
and interesting and full of potential. And so I frame
it in such a way that people can accept the experience,
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and then the sound comes from the interface of my voice,
sometimes a drum, sometimes a Tibetan bowl, sometimes a crystal bowl,
and I create a sound field and we have speakers
all around, so people are immersed in that sound that
I'm bringing through. But it's not just the sound, it's
the spiritual aspects are coming in through the sound, and
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that's in my experience, what's affecting people. It's the combination
of the explaining a platform for them to accept strange,
non ordinary experiences from a scientific standpoint. Then we jump
into direct experience, and the sound I'm creating with my
voice and the instruments is a channel for the spirit
virtual aspect, we could say, and it's just another aspect
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of ourselves.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
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Speaker 2 (23:23):
When you hear recordings of your vocal work, does it
surprise even you with what comes out of your mouth
and arrange it sounds?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Sometimes absolutely, it's like who and Hell.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I was listening to and watching on your movie and
there was one some of the sounds kind of guttural,
but then very high octave things. At one point it
sounded like a Digiti do that the Aborigines play in Australia.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yes, yes, sometimes aboriginies join me and they play the
digitido through my voice. It's my subject experience. Again, I'm
not saying this is how it is. I'm just sharing
this is my subjective experience. In fact, you know from
the movie I had an experience where I was taken
to the center of the earth in an altered state
of course, and that's going down to the center of
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the earth. These aborigines are proling a firestick and say, well,
you sing the song of the New Earth when you
come back, I mean come back from where? So yeah,
it gets a very interesting in terms of the spirit
beings that show up when I do these sound immersions.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
That particular spiritual experience where you went down to the
center of the earth and met the rock people and
the aborigine that just blew my mind. I mean, what
an amazing experience. So and you've had a few a
few of them. Now, well, going back to you know
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your your vocal range. I think I read that when
you started doing this you had a three octave range
and now you're a four octaves. How did that happen?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
The hathors More voice, Yeah, and expanded everything in me
including my vocal range.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Well, and I'm sorry with that. Let's talk about your
connection and communications with a group of inter dimensional intergalactic
beings who were originally connected with ancient Egypt known as
the Hathwords. How did this come about and who are they?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Well, let's establish what I call the imaginary box. So
it's a the mental device so that when I come
across new material that I might not quite grow. If
something sounds weird to me, I trusted an imaginary box.
I'll deal with it later. It allows me to engineer
myself through that, you know, various thought forms. So I
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think it's a very important when we go into altered states,
this type of terrain that we have in imaginary box,
and that we test it through our sense of logic,
our own value use, and if something makes sense to us,
we might incorporate it to see if it creates a
benefit for us. If it doesn't make sense, don't swallow it,
no matter who it is, no matter what authority you
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might give that person. Don't swallow something that you don't understand.
So just throw it in the box and you might
understand it later. So throw some of you will be
throwing this part of the conversation into the big box.
So the Hathors I would suggest anybody interested in this
would read a book by the brilliant engineer Eats suck
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Bentalp called Stalking the Wild Pendulum. It's a small book, paperback.
It's brilliant. And he was an engineer who could see
an engine in the future and figure out what the
problems were before it got manufactured. And he would have
he would go to his supervisors and say, this is
going to be a problem. They said, well, where's the math,
And he really he didn't approach it through math. He
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had a backtrack and figure out what the math was
to show or demonstrate what his insight was. So he
had many, many insights, and he was brilliant, brilliant multi
dimensional person. And he said in that book he was
He was a disciple in Muchdnando and he followed in meditation,
and he saw that all the universes were stacked like
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eggs in a carton multi dimension, like many many universes.
This is not the only universe, according to him, and
that they were like eggs. Universe is like an egg.
So when the hather started coming to me, it took
me a long time to adjust to what they who
they said they were, and where they came from. But
what they told me was and this was a huge
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impediment for me at the beginning. They said, we came
from another universe through the portal of Serious, and I said,
you came from another universe, I mean outside of Yes,
there are many many universes. We came through Serious and
then we went to Venus and I said, great, Venus
is in hospital Gas this year just for this shit.
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He said, no, we were very interventionally. We're in a
higher frequency than physical. And from there they went to
Egypt and hattor the temple of hator hato R. She's
the fertility goddess. So they worked, according to them through
the fertility cult of hattor So and it just they
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have presented tremendous amounts of material to me in the
process of coming to terms with them. I've been working
with them for thirty some years now, and I'm very
comfortable with them. At the beginning, you can imagine, I
was pretty much a rationalist in science, and these weirdos
are telling me stuff that I can't really quite rock.
But they told me. They taught me early on, somebody
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called the geometry of consciousness, and they said geometry affects consciousness,
and consciousness affects geometry. So they were teaching me something
called interdimensional consciousness training, and it's in the book, the book,
and so I had to recognize, I don't know who
these weirdos are, but what they're telling me is making
a change in my own birth. I have to acknowledge that.
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So I formed three Betta test sites in Washington State
and went to three different cities and taught the material
free of charge, just to see what would happen for people,
and people came out of depression. That there was an
art professor who had not done art for years and
years and years, and he had the crisis in his
life was he was asked to do a show, a
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faculty show, and if he didn't do it, he would
be out. He'd had no inspiration. And after going through
these processes, he said, he went into the studio and
suddenly he knew what to do and he was like
crazy creative. I mean, I could take up our time.
But everyone, without exception in those beta test sites had
radical changes. And of course, at the end of the
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last workshops, somebody said, so, where did this come from.
I said, were the Hethlers? I didn't want to acknowledge.
I said, what's an interesting body of information. Let's not
go into that right now. So I'm now comfortable with
who they are and what they say because I has
a history with them. But they are very expansive beings.
And they say that Earth is waking up, human beings
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are waking up in new ways, that something is turning radically,
And of course we have a very difficult passage that
we're going through right now in the world right now.
But they're saying we're moving into a different quality of
human experience.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
And this is backed by many, many, many of my
guests who have talked about humanity is now in the
cusp of ascension, moving from the four D to the
five D, et cetera, and that many of our intergalactic
friends are helping us, like the half Thors. I'm curious, So,
I mean, I can't I don't know if I remember
seeing it. How did the half Thors first originally contact
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you and you heard them? Were you meditating?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, I was doing a Seatos I'm acidos yogi and
I was doing a Seatos meditation retreat on my just
myself in a little room and all of a sudden,
two beings show up and the Hathers are there.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
And one never spoke, you just you know, was observing.
But the one who spoke to me not, This was
not a hallucination. I could see that they were not
physically in the room, but I had an impression that
two beings were in the room. It's called psychic scene.
And the one who spoke said, we are the Hathers.
We come with the sounding of a new reality. We
come in love with the sounding of a new reality
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for your Earth. And that's what started. That was the prelude.
Then they just started teaching me, trying to wake me up,
trying to turn on circuits in my brain to get
me to come to the point where I might have
an inkling of what they were talking about.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
And of course they probably chose you because of your
abilities as a singer and wanted you to sing the
song of the New Earth. But you weren't real real.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Happy about that at first. Below yep, Wow, but you know,
I really do. I've read this on your website. I
love what the Hathors have to say in describing themselves.
We are in terms of the vastness a little higher
on the spiritual, on the spiral of awareness and consciousness
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than you are. Therefore, we can offer you what we
have learned as friends, mentors, and fellow travelers on the
path that leads back to the remembrance of all that
is now For me when they say the remembrance of
all that is, I am a spiritual seeker, longtime student
of a course in miracles, and you know, a course
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in miracles teach us that this is all a dream,
all an illusion of separation, that we have separated from
all that is, and the half hoards are talking about
that's the main goal to us and back to home
and all that is with source.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yes, to return to ourselves, our true selves from their paradigm.
This is a dream, And of course many seritual traditions
address this and say this is a dream. Some sorrow maya.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, And of course you know our true selves is
our higher self, our divine self back at home with
all that as we could probably do like ten shows
on that. But you know, tell us about the message
the half words have for humanity, which is stated in
your recent posts and your audio. I'll call the lotus
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of the.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Heart Essentially, what they're saying is that we're in a
critical passage and that there's so much anguish and conflict
in the human realm right now, and they're saying, in
order to move upward into a higher state of consciousness,
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we have to have coherency. We have to have a
coherent state of mind and emotions, and then they give
a two for that that increases coherency. So if somebody's
interested in the whole topic of coherency, I would send
them to the Heart path Institute, because they've done a
tremendous amount of valuable work in this area. So it's
been found that when we are in a coherent emotional state,
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our brain operates better, our immune system functions better, So
there are all these benefits from coherency. So the athor
is brought through this sound meditation, which they seem to
always do during the cosmic alignment. They wake me up
at three in the morning and says time, would you go?
They never tell me what to do, They said, would
you go and record this? Of course I'm going to.
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So I recorded this and it is a very interesting
sound meditation. I don't know what your experience was, but
I've had people tell me it really created a sense
of happiness. Coherency. I got an email from somebody who's
an associate of Heart Math Institute, not directly connected, but
they have a device that measures coherency, and he said
that when he listened to the sound meditation with this
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device monitoring him, the coherency went off the charts and
continued for quite a while after the nine minute meditation.
So for me, as a semi scientist, I'm intrigued by
data like that, and then I'll be interesting to see
as more people experienced this, especially the scientists, and they
come back to me and say, well, this is what
we saw. It's a very exciting meditation actually for me,
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because there's so much potential in it. It's free. Everything
on the half of it is free on the website.
Nothing we don't charge for it.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I listened to that nine minute meditation with it was
the first time. Actually I hadn't watched the movie yet.
It was the very first time I ever heard your
vocal work, and I'm going, whoa. It was just so
off the charts from like nothing I had ever heard before.
And I you know, I'm not sure. I don't think
(35:50):
I used earbuds. I should use earbuds. I think I'll
listen to it again. But yes, those meditations are free
on your website, Tom Kenyon dot com. So let's go
back to the science part here. Why do sound frequencies
and vibrations affect and hail our body, mind and spirit
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out does it work?
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Well, that's a very complex question. But let's start with
the neurology of the brain. You and are heavy conversation.
We are using language in order to express language to
each other. Our brains are producing a lot of beta activity.
We might be an alpha for relaxed. But the bata
activity is a frequency domain, and so as far as
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the brain is concerned, when a frequency domain changes, the
brain changes. The whole distalt. All the neurological connections in
the brain can respond to a shift in brain state.
So sound is a vehicle that can change brain state.
We know that from science. I mean it's very clear
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so sound that particular types of sound can affect the
brain very profound. Ways, we go deeper out of the
science into what I would call the woo woo where
spirit and science connect, because there's a wonderful connection nesting
between the two. Some people think they're incompatible, and I
don't have that view. I think science gives us some
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very important information When when it looks at something as
numinous and etheremeral as a spiritual experience, there can be
a lot of insight that comes out of that. So
again jumping into the woo woo land, when a person
like a singer or a person who's chanting a mantra,
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they're creating a vibrational field if they feel that that
mantra or the sound is connecting them to some spiritual aspect.
That vibrational field comes through their voice or the instrument
that they're using, and that affects the brain. So from
the way I look at it, our brain is responding
not just to the sound, but to the subtle sound.
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You know, in certain traditions it's called the inner sound
and the shopped current. So the sound, the spiritual vibration
can be communicated through sound, and when a brain hears
that and it has a spiritual marker, if the person
understands it or is open to it, it can create
a radical change in perception for that PERSONA.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
UTA, you have very interesting A couple a couple of
(41:14):
years ago, I need to grab this here. I had, uh,
the inventor of the biofield tuning fork, Eileen McUsic on it,
and she uses it, you know, for for healing, uh,
the body. And I'm I can't remember what frequency this is,
but I use this quite a bit and I've noticed
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some positive things in my body when I when I
use it.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Yeah, the body has all these energy centers. The Chinese
mapped this out centuries ago. Uh, the acupuncture points. The
meridians are very responsive to sound. Of course, then we
have something deeper than that, called the natis, which are
hundreds of thousands of subtle, the most subtle currents in
the body, energy currents. They're not physical. So if you
did that dissection, you won't find the meridians. You won't
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find the natis, but they're there energetically, and so an
instrument like that can affect those absolutely.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
You know we've mentioned. I'm sorry, I've got so much
on my mind here because you do so many beautiful things.
You've written a number of books, and I'm particularly interested
in your book, The Magdalen Manuscript. How did your interest
in study of Mary Magdalen come about?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
My wife, My wife, Judy. It's a funny story. We
were teaching in Europe. We've been around the world four
times teaching and we were in Zurich, Switzerland, and it
was winter. It was cold and rainy, there was nothing
to do. He was in German. I don't speak much German,
so there was no entertainment. So I just put in
our thumbs kind of would you mind channeling to see
(42:45):
who might come through? And I said sure, and I
had no diet idea. It was going to be Mary Magdalene.
And all of a sudden, this energy electrified the room.
My wife and it were both like stunned. It was
the most intense spiritual energy I have experienced to this day.
And she had a power and an intelligence that was amazing,
(43:07):
and she started to dictate the book. Her part started
and we were just like shaking from the amazing energy.
And every time we work with Magdalene, especially in group healings,
it's always amazing and intense. So I can go in
many directions. What direction do you want to go in
(43:28):
around that book in Mary Magdalen?
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Well, just quickly Mary Magdalen. I read a couple of
years ago a book by Tina Louise Spaulding, who channels
Jesus and she wrote a book, or well, Jesus wrote
a book through her called My Autobiography. In't it he
talks how he was married to Mary Magdalen, and that
after his crucifixion and he resurrected, he came back in
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his body and escorted Mary to southern France to so
she lived safely after that. And then after that, I,
you know, I don't know if there's anything to that,
but it seems to me that you I saw something
about you and France and Mary Magdalene too.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Yeah, she she guided us. And actually my wife found
Rendal of Chateau and the Languadoc before I did, many
many years. She went on a pilgrimage with her daughters
and found these sites. At that time, even the French
authorities didn't know where Rendal the Chateau was. They just
thought it was something else. But anyway, she found it.
And there's a whole thing there around Rendal's Toau and
(44:36):
Mary Magdalene. But what was for me, what was interesting
is that I forget the pope's name, but there was
a pope, not the current one, who's I think, extraordinary
Pope Leo. But we're talking about way way back said
miss interpreted a scripture and said that Mary Magdalene was
a whore. From that time onward, her name has been tainted,
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but she was actually married to what we would essentially
call a rabbi Jesus, and so they had a deep,
deep relationship. So that is really interesting. But what I
find more interesting, just because it's in the present moment,
is what happens when Mary Magdalene works in this dimension
in some group work. I find that really fascinating. She's
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a powerful force, and she's a feminine. She's an aspect
of the feminine intelligence, the fecundity of the mystery that
expresses itself symbolically through the moon and through the feminine.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
And I read that when you wrote the book about Magdalen,
you eliminated the e on the end of her name.
Why is that she was?
Speaker 3 (45:43):
I guess it was she wanted to separate her identity
from the historical misconception of her as a whore.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Oh makes sense. Yeah, wow, speaking of the divine feminine.
Another thing that fascinated me in your movie, you visited
a Tibetan monastery nunnery, and you you discovered that the
nuns do beautiful chanting. I think Judy was there, and
she she was your wife. Judy was fascinated with it too.
(46:16):
That was Can we talk more about the divine, the
rise of the divine feminine?
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Oh yeah, it's going to be our saving grace. Yeah,
the feminine in all levels, not just spiritually but psycho
spiritually and physically, as women take their power and their
voice and they step into the arena even though it's
been a man's arena for way, way long time. So
(46:44):
when we were in Tibet, we went to several monasteries,
of course, and worked with works with the Gelupas and
others who were very masterful, and they're all extraordinary. We
went to Gaillance and the Nunnery and I was stunned.
Her musicianship was impeccable, as good as any of the
(47:05):
males that we had encountered, and their understanding was extraordinary.
So I remember we finished that. During that trip, I
got bronchitis because Tibet is just so intense. So we're
getting it on the bus to go back to the
hotel and I say to Judy, thank God, my karma
with Tibet is over. I don't have to come back
(47:25):
and she said, well, I'm going to come back to
record the nuns. You're welcome to come with me. That's
women in power. Yeah, okay, now aligned with that. So
that's how it came about. Yeah, a lot more. I
could say, I'll go in your direction you want to,
but there's so much extraordinary things in Tibet and that
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that is.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Just fascinating about the nunnery. But of course, you know,
your your interaction with Magdalen and the world's interaction is
she is the symbol of the rise of divine feminine.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
For some people, they're really you know, in Tibetan Buddhism,
we have the rise of the feminine also taking place.
You know, some of the greatest is considered by Tibetan
scholars that one of the most powerful deities and the
entire pantheon of the what are called tutelary deities is
Vragio Yoghini, the highest of I is a feminine figure
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in that particular system. And then Tara is a feminine energy.
I love the story about taras she was a princess
in a very small village. They used the term princess,
but she was you know, it's a very small community.
But she was a princess and she attained enlightenment, and
the Lamas in the rest of Tibet knew that a
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Buddha had just emerged full the enlightened being had just emerged,
and they went to pay homage. So when they met her,
they didn't know what to do because they expected a man.
And their actual words to her were, now that you
have attained buddhahood, you can read you turn as a man.
And she said, I will or ever remain in the
form of a woman this day. That's feminine power and
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that's that.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
I like that. I like that. Gosh again, you know,
my mind is racing so fast. There's just so much
wonderful stuff here. Well, and just quickly. You've written many
many books obviously, and you've written both about the Hawthores
and the Octurians. How did you connect with their Octurians
(49:34):
and what is their message for humanity?
Speaker 3 (49:37):
At Litia too, in the Languiduck UoN of France, there's
this extraordinary mountains in the Languidock and there's a certain
stone configuration that when you look at it, it looks
like a dragon. I mean, it looked like a freaking dragon.
In the valley right next to the mountain, and I
would go hiking there because these trails could go on forever,
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and I would go for ikes last all day to
just enjoy myself. And then I encountered an octarian there
and it began a relationship. What was interesting. He started
to teach me some things, and I was also resistant,
even though it had experience with the Hathors. I'm like,
wait a minute, now, another weird that's coming. How many
weirdos coming in? I was a bit resistant, and so
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he said, if I remember it correctly, because this was
many years ago, he said, when you go to sleep,
i'll I'll take you to the ship. And so I
remember having a dream and I was taken to one
of their ships in the Languido oct This is for
the big imaginery box. I didn't inside the mountain, in
a different type of space than what we would call matter.
(50:44):
And I remember the dream vividly. And I woke up
and it was three o'clock in the morning and the
clock had stopped external clock and it stopped working and
would never move past three o'clock. That was interesting.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
I've had a couple of channels on who brought through
I have Daniel the Octurian, and I'm trying to eaven
a couple other Octorians talk to me here on World Awakenings.
Speaking of talking, we are talking with the amazing, multi
talented Tom Kenyon. I just you said this in the
(51:23):
movie and I just love your self description.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
What was it?
Speaker 2 (51:27):
You are a Neil Pagan, Tibetan Buddhist daois agnostic, quantum
physicist and mystic, all rolled up in a strange amalgam
who used to play country music. Do you ever pull
out your guitar and still play a little country.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
A little bit? I lost my chops because I moved
so much into piano and using synthesizers as the way
to create the tapestry. But yeah, occasionally, but I've lost
my chops, which is sad. You have to keep practicing.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yes, whatever it is, it doesn't matter. And I know
you're a musician because you use the words I lost
my chops. That is a musicians term, and I was
in radio, so I understand that. Wow, you do workshops
all around the world, But I see you have many
workshops on your website, Tom Kenyon dot com. Is that
(52:19):
a good place where people can check those out and
they can download them.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
Right, yeah, yeah, And there's a lot of free content,
and somebody's interested in the science behind all this stuff.
There's the section on acoustic brain research and shows the
research data, the studies, the reports that are all there
in acousta brain research. If somebody wants to go into
the science of sound, and I'll all free. I mean,
the workshops you download, you pay for them, but there's
a lot of free content.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
And I got to tell you, if you go to
Tom's website, Tom Kenyon dot com, take some time. There
is a lot of information there. And do you do
you have any planned? Are you traveling? Are you going
to do a psychoacoustic immersion anywhere soon?
Speaker 3 (53:00):
And this year maybe next year? I have think plan
this year and I'm mostly hunkering down and creating the
things that the Heathers want me to create and not
traveling at least this year. We'll see about next year.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
And of course your website is the best way for
people to find out more about you and perhaps connect
with you.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
Yes, you do.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
You work one on one with clients.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Occasionally occasionally, Okay.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
All right, awesome, Tom Kenyon. I was pretty nervous about
this because you're so amazing. I really appreciate it. Thank
you for the work you do. Thank you for the healing.
Thank you to the Hawthors for for helping humanity to
awaken and and heal. And Lord knows we humanity need
(53:50):
some healing right now.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
This has been another episode of World Awakenings, The Fast
Track to Enlightenment with host Carl Gruber, a certified Law
of Attraction life coach. We welcome you to tune in
to each and every episode of World Awakenings as we
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fact that the world's population is now more than ever
(54:25):
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enlightening and just how much they play an all important
role in our moment to moment daily life. Much love
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This is World Awakenings, the Fast Track to Enlightenment with
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the fact that the world's population is now more than
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he interviews metaphysical and spiritual experts to discuss, debate, and
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Speaker 2 (01:00):
Hey everyone, welcome to episode number two fourteen of World Awakenings,
A Fast Track to Enlightenment. I'm your host, Carl Gruber.
Now in your number seven of doing the show. I'd
like to remind you that you can watch his show
on YouTube and now also on New Reality TV. And
don't forget if simply listening to this show is your
(01:22):
preferred method, you can find us on Apple Podcasts and
also literally on almost any online audio only provider like Spotify, Pandora,
Amazon Music, and many more. Now let's head straight to
meet our guests for today's show. We are blessed to
have Tom kenyon On as our guest. He is a
(01:45):
self described I Love this, neo pagan, Tibetan Buddhist, Taoist, agnostic,
quantum physicist, and mystic all rolled into some strange amalgam.
Now Tom is also a renowned sound alchemist, psychotherapist, and shaman.
He's regarded as a pioneer in the field of psychoacoustic
(02:06):
research and is an acclean practitioner of psychoacoustic healing. He
is dedicated to integrating modern science with ancient mysticism through
the power of sound. And the inception of his career,
he was an aspiring, inspiring country musician I love that. However,
in the early stages of his life he encountered a
(02:26):
series of mystical experiences that forever altered his life path. Now,
using nearly his four octave range voice in tandem with
other acoustic instruments, he creates deeply altered states of consciousness
that access the brains on used potentials for heightened creativity
and spiritual insight. And Tom is also an accomplished writer
(02:48):
and filmmaker. In twenty fourteen, he produced The Song of
the New Earth, which is a documentary that looks at
his work in the field of sound healing and Psycho's
spiritual trans I watched that whole movie over the last
couple of days. Man, I really recommend it. It's incredible.
And finally, he's the author of several books, including The
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Great Human Potential, The Octurian Anthology, The Magdalen Manuscript, and
The Hawthorn Material Messages from an Ascended Civilization. With that, Tom,
Welcome to World Awakenings.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Nice to be with you, Carl, Tom.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I was going to try to shorten that intro, but
I mean, you just there's so much to you. I really,
I'm so blessed and appreciated, appreciating that you are here.
But I'm not sure where to start. But maybe you
can tell us how you went from being an aspiring
country musician to have having some mystical experiences that led
(03:47):
to your whole new life of research and sound healing.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Well, it happened before I went into country music. I
was a teenager on my uncle's farm in Hillsboro, North Carolina,
and I was walking across the pasture were some cows
were off in the distance, and I felt compelled to
sit underneath the tree and my hands went into I
didn't know what they were, but they were called mudras.
And I went into a half lotus, which I'd never
(04:12):
done before. Didn't know anything about yoga. I'm a white
boy from North Carolina, and I went into some state
where I lost awareness of the external world. Instead, I
was totally aware of something inside me that was aware
and awake, and some traditions it's called the iem awareness.
I thought a short period had passed, but when I
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opened and finally opened my eyes, the sun was setting,
so I had been out there for many hours, and
cows had wandered up, so there were like three cows.
There were a bunch of cows around me, but three
cows were right in my face looking at me. I'd
love to know what they were thinking and feeling, But
for me, I sent me on a quest to find
out what the heck was this. I went into psychology.
(04:57):
I at the same time was studying mysticism and all
the different traditions of the world, trying to find an
answer to what happened to the white boy in North Carolina.
In that field, and it led me into Christian mysticism first.
Then I went into Hinduism and Taoism, and I incorporated
a lot of things from those traditions. So, in answer
to your question about my musical career in Nashville, this
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is really weird. I would perform and all the studio
engineers would come up to me and say, you're going
to be discovered. You're going to be discovered. Just you
need to wait, just to be patient. Well what happened
eventually was I had an old Ford called Big Red,
and it was a full moon, and I just felt
(05:42):
something weird had happened to the car. So I went
out the next morning to go to work and it
wouldn't start. And it turned out to be the timing
belt and it was going to be two thousand dollars.
We're talking about in the seventies. That musta have been
It could have been one hundred thousand dollars. I couldn't
pay for it, so I hitched a ride with a
friend of mine going back to North Carolina. I was
in Nashville at the time, and on the way back,
(06:05):
it's a very long story, but let's get cut to
the chase. I met a psychic named Marion Starnes in Greensboro,
and she was a powerful, one of the most powerful
psychics I've ever met. And I wasn't into this stuff
at all, but I felt in that meeting to go
up and see if I could get a session. And
her secretary was standing right there and she said, you
(06:26):
are You don't have a session, it will take a year.
You'll put you on the waiting list. And I remember
Mary Starnes turned her and say, hold it to the
other person. I will see him on my lunch break.
So I saw her and she told me things about
my life that no one could have known because I
never told anyone, not even my girlfriends. And she said,
what's going to help? What would have happened if you
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had stayed in Nashville another month, you would have been
discovered and you would have gone into a career as
country music. But your soul wanted something different. You came
here to heal with your voice, and that's why that
didn't happen in Nashville. And this is your new phase
of what's happening. And of course I was like kind
(07:07):
of pissed, like, who's telling me I can't do what
I want to do? But it was, for lack of
a better term, my spiritual aspect, whatever we want to
call it, came in and changed the course of my life,
and I think that happens probably a lot with a
lot of people who go into this type of expiration.
Something moved them, compelled them to go in that direction.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
So your spiritual guys sabotaged your car, So.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
You see, it would seem or a grand coincidence, but
it seems like something like that happened.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah. Yeah, Well I'm curious because, like I said, I
watched your amazing movie about your life and what you do,
that spiritual awakening under that tree when you're eighteen in
a field with Kyle staring at you. What were you like?
Were you like that before as a kid? Did you
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have any unusual abilities that led you to that.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I was a strange child.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
We all are in our own way, right right.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I think so, Yeah, I was pretty much an introvert.
But I remember about a week before that encounter in
the pasture, I got hooked into Krishnamurdi and I had
a series of lectures that he was given giving on PBS,
and I was just enthralled, just enthralled, and went into
his view of things that might have been the trigger.
(08:32):
I don't know, it was just in the sequence of time.
So I don't know. Want that answers your question.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
No, well that's interesting because you know, I to if
you hadn't had any inkling towards you know, spiritual spirituality
or metaphysics, and all of a sudden you're in a
field and blam, that would be interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yes, it was.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So what drives you to integrate scientific research with your
ancient mysticism.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Well, I got training as a psychological counselor my master's degree,
and I discovered that about that time, we're talking about
the nineteen eighties, the work of doctor Lazonov, the Lauson
of Institute in Bulgaria was coming out and he had
documented for the first time scientifically that music at sixty
beats per minute, and he was looking at largo movements
(09:23):
out of Baroque music increased health activity in the brain.
And this was very revolutionary at the time. Now it's
just we know this, there's no deal with it, But
at that time it was revolutionary. So I started playing
classical music for my clients and they went deeper and
faster because I worked with Ericsonian medical hypnosis was one
of the main things I worked with. And then because
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I'm a musician, I said, well, I'm going to compose
some music at sixty beats per minut and see what
I come up with. So I did that, and I
played it for my clients, and they wanted to hear
what I wrote rather than the baroque music. Of course,
that's just probably familiarity. But it took off on its own.
And then I realized we're in the early eighties, and
I realized scientifically, we did not really understand this, and
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so I formed a loose knit group of researchers around
the country to look at how sound and vibration affect
the brain and the mind. And it just took off
on its own. And my favorite story about that was
a professor of physiology at a midwestern university sent me
a letter. This is before emails, so he sent me
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this old, this letter with a printout of an EEG
study and he said what happened was a student was
in his class and he made the stop the statement
that music can increase outh activity, but it can't increase
state activity. So the student raises the sans, excuse me,
a professor, but I have a tape right here. So
we're talking nineteen eighties tapes, not CDs. I would tell
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her that does just that. And he says, okay, come
up here and let's let's find out. So he used
the scientific method, hooked somebody else up, not that student,
another student, and there was an increase of THET activity
and he couldn't believe it, and he said, there's something
wrong with the equipment. So he actually took the equipment
apart and found out it was working. And so then
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he ran some more studies. And what fascinated to him
was and this is the synchronicity. He at the time
was studying yoga and he was studying potentially, and he
knew about the chakras. Of course it's not scientific, but
at the top of the head where you put eeg
electrodes happens to correspond with the crown chakra. It's just
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a coincidence. But the burst of THET activity was at
the crown that electrode. So it lit up, and he said,
so help me show the scientific world that music is
a viable method. So that's you know, that's just one
of many many stories.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
You had a great example of that in your movie.
I believe it was they played Brahms lullabies to newly
born children in the hospital, and the ones that heard
the bronze lullaby left and went home with her moms
much quicker than the ones that didn't get the music
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played to them.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Right, very very solid research.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, wow, just amazing stuff. You know the other thing too,
you're practicing psychotherapists, but you're also a shaman. How do
these two seemingly different vocations coexist.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, there's an interesting nesting of those two. Essentially, because
I had worked in arisonia medical hypnosis, I was very
familiar with altered states of consciousness. I helped people move
quicker through their material using altered states as a vehicle,
and shamanism was just a natural expression. What what happened
with this was I had read a research study that
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showed that a researcher by the name of Maxwell, it
was a woman by the way, documented that shamanic drumming,
a certain type of shamanic drumming, increased data activity. So
that was a scientific fact. It was you know, it's data.
So I was very intrigued with that. So I got
a remo drum to play around with see if I
could reproduce that, and I could produce a theta state
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just using the drum and my voice. So I got
to know my current wife and she was into shamanism.
And this is for the imaginary box for your listeners.
She had turned me onto these shamanic drums, and I
had probably five or six different high drums on the
stage with me and the remo. I always went to
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the remo because it always holds its pitch. A high
drum will change. So I started to reach for the
remo and I started hurting hearing the drums talking to me.
So from a neurological standpoint, you could say I was
in a receptive brainstraate. I was not in my normal
beta activity. I was in the alpha theta free flowing,
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and I could hear the drums talking to me. And
in the shamanic addition, it's understood that the spirit of
the drum is part of the communication from the drum.
It's not just the pulsation of the signal. It's the
actual spirit and that's the shamanic part of it. So
the drums were talking to me, and I had a
big elk drum and a bear drum and a little drum.
And the elks said, aya can take them over into
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the rainbow, and the bear said, I can do the same,
And the little voice, the little bear, the little tiny
bear drum said, bigger is not necessarily better. I heard,
so I picked up the little drum and it was amazing.
So I most most often use high drums because the
spirit interface is very interesting and potentially quite potent and healing,
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depending on the person.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I do know that, although I've never participated in one,
that drum circles are very big in many shamanic in
you know, spiritual communities, that type of thing. So let
me ask you this question. The drums have a spirit.
So this may seem like a silly question, but seemingly
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inorganic items have spirits.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
When you say high drumm, you're referring to that is inorganic.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Well, a drum is material. I mean, we don't understand
it to be a living being, but evidently there is
a living aspect to it.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah. Again, Shamanically, I think we're the sciences are beginning
to look at the subtleties of these types of things,
but we don't have enough data to form a conclusion.
But in the shamanic tradition and my experience is that
the high drum carries the energy of the animal. So
it literally the molecular structure of the animal is somehow
in that and it opens a doorway if you're open
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to it, for that spirit to come in. And when
you are striking the drum, you are creating a vibrational
field that connects you to that spirit of the animal,
if that is your belief and you're intent engine otherwise, Yeah,
it's just an It's just an inert thing that you're
banging on. But shamonically looks at it very, very differently.
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So everything is alive, everything is conscious.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, everything I've read. I even said that rocks have
spirit and consciousness. So everything's energy. Why not? You know,
I understand that now you travel the world performing your
psychoacoustic immersion workshops to sol out audiences. Much of that
is on your movie. How did you discover that you
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could use your voice and your four octave vocal range
or sound healing and therapy.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Started in bars?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, all right, contribute.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
It was when I am a musician and I put myself
through university partly by playing in bars, and I would
play piano and guitar, and I discovered that I could
change the mood of the ball by what I played.
And if I played a sad song and I had
a tip jar on the piano, so those who were
depressive would really like that sad song and they would
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come up to the piano and say, Tom, play me
another sad song, and they throw a five dollar bill
in or whatever. And then when I played a happy song,
the happy people would come up, Tom, play me another
happy song. So and I began to understand it was
how I attacked the keys or the strings of the guitar.
And I didn't have the scientific understanding of this until
I came across the brilliant work of Manfred Cleins, who
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created a theory called synic waves and centic waves are
the vibrational field that's created by sound. And he discovered
by accident that he could make people cry when he
played piano. And it wasn't because he played poorly. It
was how he was attacking the keys. The texture, the
timbre was affected in such a way that it would
create an emotional response in people. So when I started
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to go into the work scientifically quote unquote on acoustic
brain research, I had that knowledge through mantred clients on
my own experience. So I began to look at how
could I create emotional cynic waveforms that would assist people.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Wow, that's beautiful that you could combine such beautiful scientific
knowledge with your creativity as a musician.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
It was fun. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, and affect people in a beautiful way. But let's
talk about your psychoacoustic immersion seminars. Like I said, much
of that is on your movie. What happens in these seminars.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Well, essentially, I spend the first part of the time
talking with people about the science of sound and the
neurology of altered states. So we have a foundation. Because
I don't want to jump into woogu land. I actually
divide the stage into three parts. The left side of
the stage is the cognitive left brain, and the right
brain is the nonverbal and that's where I do all
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the soundwork is on the right side. And then the
middle of the corpus a lossom that communicates between these
two hemispheres. So I create a structure for people to understand. Yeah,
when you go into the two, when you go really
far into the non dominant brain, things get very weird
and interesting and full of potential. And so I frame
it in such a way that people can accept the experience,
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and then the sound comes from the interface of my voice,
sometimes a drum, sometimes a Tibetan bowl, sometimes a crystal bowl,
and I create a sound field and we have speakers
all around, so people are immersed in that sound that
I'm bringing through. But it's not just the sound, it's
the spiritual aspects are coming in through the sound, and
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that's in my experience, what's affecting people. It's the combination
of the explaining a platform for them to accept strange,
non ordinary experiences from a scientific standpoint. Then we jump
into direct experience, and the sound I'm creating with my
voice and the instruments is a channel for the spirit
virtual aspect, we could say, and it's just another aspect
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of ourselves.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Ze day include swell.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
When you hear recordings of your vocal work, does it
surprise even you with what comes out of your mouth
and arrange it sounds?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Sometimes absolutely, it's like who and Hell.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I was listening to and watching on your movie and
there was one some of the sounds kind of guttural,
but then very high octave things. At one point it
sounded like a Digiti do that the Aborigines play in Australia.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yes, yes, sometimes aboriginies join me and they play the
digitido through my voice. It's my subject experience. Again, I'm
not saying this is how it is. I'm just sharing
this is my subjective experience. In fact, you know from
the movie I had an experience where I was taken
to the center of the earth in an altered state
of course, and that's going down to the center of
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the earth. These aborigines are proling a firestick and say, well,
you sing the song of the New Earth when you
come back, I mean come back from where? So yeah,
it gets a very interesting in terms of the spirit
beings that show up when I do these sound immersions.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
That particular spiritual experience where you went down to the
center of the earth and met the rock people and
the aborigine that just blew my mind. I mean, what
an amazing experience. So and you've had a few a
few of them. Now, well, going back to you know
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your your vocal range. I think I read that when
you started doing this you had a three octave range
and now you're a four octaves. How did that happen?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
The hathors More voice, Yeah, and expanded everything in me
including my vocal range.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Well, and I'm sorry with that. Let's talk about your
connection and communications with a group of inter dimensional intergalactic
beings who were originally connected with ancient Egypt known as
the Hathwords. How did this come about and who are they?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Well, let's establish what I call the imaginary box. So
it's a the mental device so that when I come
across new material that I might not quite grow. If
something sounds weird to me, I trusted an imaginary box.
I'll deal with it later. It allows me to engineer
myself through that, you know, various thought forms. So I
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think it's a very important when we go into altered states,
this type of terrain that we have in imaginary box,
and that we test it through our sense of logic,
our own value use, and if something makes sense to us,
we might incorporate it to see if it creates a
benefit for us. If it doesn't make sense, don't swallow it,
no matter who it is, no matter what authority you
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might give that person. Don't swallow something that you don't understand.
So just throw it in the box and you might
understand it later. So throw some of you will be
throwing this part of the conversation into the big box.
So the Hathors I would suggest anybody interested in this
would read a book by the brilliant engineer Eats suck
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Bentalp called Stalking the Wild Pendulum. It's a small book, paperback.
It's brilliant. And he was an engineer who could see
an engine in the future and figure out what the
problems were before it got manufactured. And he would have
he would go to his supervisors and say, this is
going to be a problem. They said, well, where's the math,
And he really he didn't approach it through math. He
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had a backtrack and figure out what the math was
to show or demonstrate what his insight was. So he
had many, many insights, and he was brilliant, brilliant multi
dimensional person. And he said in that book he was
He was a disciple in Muchdnando and he followed in meditation,
and he saw that all the universes were stacked like
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eggs in a carton multi dimension, like many many universes.
This is not the only universe, according to him, and
that they were like eggs. Universe is like an egg.
So when the hather started coming to me, it took
me a long time to adjust to what they who
they said they were, and where they came from. But
what they told me was and this was a huge
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impediment for me at the beginning. They said, we came
from another universe through the portal of Serious, and I said,
you came from another universe, I mean outside of Yes,
there are many many universes. We came through Serious and
then we went to Venus and I said, great, Venus
is in hospital Gas this year just for this shit.
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He said, no, we were very interventionally. We're in a
higher frequency than physical. And from there they went to
Egypt and hattor the temple of hator hato R. She's
the fertility goddess. So they worked, according to them through
the fertility cult of hattor So and it just they
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have presented tremendous amounts of material to me in the
process of coming to terms with them. I've been working
with them for thirty some years now, and I'm very
comfortable with them. At the beginning, you can imagine, I
was pretty much a rationalist in science, and these weirdos
are telling me stuff that I can't really quite rock.
But they told me. They taught me early on, somebody
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called the geometry of consciousness, and they said geometry affects consciousness,
and consciousness affects geometry. So they were teaching me something
called interdimensional consciousness training, and it's in the book, the book,
and so I had to recognize, I don't know who
these weirdos are, but what they're telling me is making
a change in my own birth. I have to acknowledge that.
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So I formed three Betta test sites in Washington State
and went to three different cities and taught the material
free of charge, just to see what would happen for people,
and people came out of depression. That there was an
art professor who had not done art for years and
years and years, and he had the crisis in his
life was he was asked to do a show, a
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faculty show, and if he didn't do it, he would
be out. He'd had no inspiration. And after going through
these processes, he said, he went into the studio and
suddenly he knew what to do and he was like
crazy creative. I mean, I could take up our time.
But everyone, without exception in those beta test sites had
radical changes. And of course, at the end of the
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last workshops, somebody said, so, where did this come from.
I said, were the Hethlers? I didn't want to acknowledge.
I said, what's an interesting body of information. Let's not
go into that right now. So I'm now comfortable with
who they are and what they say because I has
a history with them. But they are very expansive beings.
And they say that Earth is waking up, human beings
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are waking up in new ways, that something is turning radically,
And of course we have a very difficult passage that
we're going through right now in the world right now.
But they're saying we're moving into a different quality of
human experience.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
And this is backed by many, many, many of my
guests who have talked about humanity is now in the
cusp of ascension, moving from the four D to the
five D, et cetera, and that many of our intergalactic
friends are helping us, like the half Thors. I'm curious, So,
I mean, I can't I don't know if I remember
seeing it. How did the half Thors first originally contact
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you and you heard them? Were you meditating?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, I was doing a Seatos I'm acidos yogi and
I was doing a Seatos meditation retreat on my just
myself in a little room and all of a sudden,
two beings show up and the Hathers are there.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
And one never spoke, you just you know, was observing.
But the one who spoke to me not, This was
not a hallucination. I could see that they were not
physically in the room, but I had an impression that
two beings were in the room. It's called psychic scene.
And the one who spoke said, we are the Hathers.
We come with the sounding of a new reality. We
come in love with the sounding of a new reality
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for your Earth. And that's what started. That was the prelude.
Then they just started teaching me, trying to wake me up,
trying to turn on circuits in my brain to get
me to come to the point where I might have
an inkling of what they were talking about.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
And of course they probably chose you because of your
abilities as a singer and wanted you to sing the
song of the New Earth. But you weren't real real.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Happy about that at first. Below yep, Wow, but you know,
I really do. I've read this on your website. I
love what the Hathors have to say in describing themselves.
We are in terms of the vastness a little higher
on the spiritual, on the spiral of awareness and consciousness
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than you are. Therefore, we can offer you what we
have learned as friends, mentors, and fellow travelers on the
path that leads back to the remembrance of all that
is now For me when they say the remembrance of
all that is, I am a spiritual seeker, longtime student
of a course in miracles, and you know, a course
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in miracles teach us that this is all a dream,
all an illusion of separation, that we have separated from
all that is, and the half hoards are talking about
that's the main goal to us and back to home
and all that is with source.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yes, to return to ourselves, our true selves from their paradigm.
This is a dream, And of course many seritual traditions
address this and say this is a dream. Some sorrow maya.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, And of course you know our true selves is
our higher self, our divine self back at home with
all that as we could probably do like ten shows
on that. But you know, tell us about the message
the half words have for humanity, which is stated in
your recent posts and your audio. I'll call the lotus
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of the.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Heart Essentially, what they're saying is that we're in a
critical passage and that there's so much anguish and conflict
in the human realm right now, and they're saying, in
order to move upward into a higher state of consciousness,
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we have to have coherency. We have to have a
coherent state of mind and emotions, and then they give
a two for that that increases coherency. So if somebody's
interested in the whole topic of coherency, I would send
them to the Heart path Institute, because they've done a
tremendous amount of valuable work in this area. So it's
been found that when we are in a coherent emotional state,
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our brain operates better, our immune system functions better, So
there are all these benefits from coherency. So the athor
is brought through this sound meditation, which they seem to
always do during the cosmic alignment. They wake me up
at three in the morning and says time, would you go?
They never tell me what to do, They said, would
you go and record this? Of course I'm going to.
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So I recorded this and it is a very interesting
sound meditation. I don't know what your experience was, but
I've had people tell me it really created a sense
of happiness. Coherency. I got an email from somebody who's
an associate of Heart Math Institute, not directly connected, but
they have a device that measures coherency, and he said
that when he listened to the sound meditation with this
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device monitoring him, the coherency went off the charts and
continued for quite a while after the nine minute meditation.
So for me, as a semi scientist, I'm intrigued by
data like that, and then I'll be interesting to see
as more people experienced this, especially the scientists, and they
come back to me and say, well, this is what
we saw. It's a very exciting meditation actually for me,
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because there's so much potential in it. It's free. Everything
on the half of it is free on the website.
Nothing we don't charge for it.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I listened to that nine minute meditation with it was
the first time. Actually I hadn't watched the movie yet.
It was the very first time I ever heard your
vocal work, and I'm going, whoa. It was just so
off the charts from like nothing I had ever heard before.
And I you know, I'm not sure. I don't think
(35:50):
I used earbuds. I should use earbuds. I think I'll
listen to it again. But yes, those meditations are free
on your website, Tom Kenyon dot com. So let's go
back to the science part here. Why do sound frequencies
and vibrations affect and hail our body, mind and spirit
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out does it work?
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Well, that's a very complex question. But let's start with
the neurology of the brain. You and are heavy conversation.
We are using language in order to express language to
each other. Our brains are producing a lot of beta activity.
We might be an alpha for relaxed. But the bata
activity is a frequency domain, and so as far as
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the brain is concerned, when a frequency domain changes, the
brain changes. The whole distalt. All the neurological connections in
the brain can respond to a shift in brain state.
So sound is a vehicle that can change brain state.
We know that from science. I mean it's very clear
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so sound that particular types of sound can affect the
brain very profound. Ways, we go deeper out of the
science into what I would call the woo woo where
spirit and science connect, because there's a wonderful connection nesting
between the two. Some people think they're incompatible, and I
don't have that view. I think science gives us some
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very important information When when it looks at something as
numinous and etheremeral as a spiritual experience, there can be
a lot of insight that comes out of that. So
again jumping into the woo woo land, when a person
like a singer or a person who's chanting a mantra,
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they're creating a vibrational field if they feel that that
mantra or the sound is connecting them to some spiritual aspect.
That vibrational field comes through their voice or the instrument
that they're using, and that affects the brain. So from
the way I look at it, our brain is responding
not just to the sound, but to the subtle sound.
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You know, in certain traditions it's called the inner sound
and the shopped current. So the sound, the spiritual vibration
can be communicated through sound, and when a brain hears
that and it has a spiritual marker, if the person
understands it or is open to it, it can create
a radical change in perception for that PERSONA.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
UTA, you have very interesting A couple a couple of
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years ago, I need to grab this here. I had, uh,
the inventor of the biofield tuning fork, Eileen McUsic on it,
and she uses it, you know, for for healing, uh,
the body. And I'm I can't remember what frequency this is,
but I use this quite a bit and I've noticed
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some positive things in my body when I when I
use it.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Yeah, the body has all these energy centers. The Chinese
mapped this out centuries ago. Uh, the acupuncture points. The
meridians are very responsive to sound. Of course, then we
have something deeper than that, called the natis, which are
hundreds of thousands of subtle, the most subtle currents in
the body, energy currents. They're not physical. So if you
did that dissection, you won't find the meridians. You won't
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find the natis, but they're there energetically, and so an
instrument like that can affect those absolutely.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
You know we've mentioned. I'm sorry, I've got so much
on my mind here because you do so many beautiful things.
You've written a number of books, and I'm particularly interested
in your book, The Magdalen Manuscript. How did your interest
in study of Mary Magdalen come about?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
My wife, My wife, Judy. It's a funny story. We
were teaching in Europe. We've been around the world four
times teaching and we were in Zurich, Switzerland, and it
was winter. It was cold and rainy, there was nothing
to do. He was in German. I don't speak much German,
so there was no entertainment. So I just put in
our thumbs kind of would you mind channeling to see
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who might come through? And I said sure, and I
had no diet idea. It was going to be Mary Magdalene.
And all of a sudden, this energy electrified the room.
My wife and it were both like stunned. It was
the most intense spiritual energy I have experienced to this day.
And she had a power and an intelligence that was amazing,
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and she started to dictate the book. Her part started
and we were just like shaking from the amazing energy.
And every time we work with Magdalene, especially in group healings,
it's always amazing and intense. So I can go in
many directions. What direction do you want to go in
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around that book in Mary Magdalen?
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Well, just quickly Mary Magdalen. I read a couple of
years ago a book by Tina Louise Spaulding, who channels
Jesus and she wrote a book, or well, Jesus wrote
a book through her called My Autobiography. In't it he
talks how he was married to Mary Magdalen, and that
after his crucifixion and he resurrected, he came back in
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his body and escorted Mary to southern France to so
she lived safely after that. And then after that, I,
you know, I don't know if there's anything to that,
but it seems to me that you I saw something
about you and France and Mary Magdalene too.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Yeah, she she guided us. And actually my wife found
Rendal of Chateau and the Languadoc before I did, many
many years. She went on a pilgrimage with her daughters
and found these sites. At that time, even the French
authorities didn't know where Rendal the Chateau was. They just
thought it was something else. But anyway, she found it.
And there's a whole thing there around Rendal's Toau and
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Mary Magdalene. But what was for me, what was interesting
is that I forget the pope's name, but there was
a pope, not the current one, who's I think, extraordinary
Pope Leo. But we're talking about way way back said
miss interpreted a scripture and said that Mary Magdalene was
a whore. From that time onward, her name has been tainted,
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but she was actually married to what we would essentially
call a rabbi Jesus, and so they had a deep,
deep relationship. So that is really interesting. But what I
find more interesting, just because it's in the present moment,
is what happens when Mary Magdalene works in this dimension
in some group work. I find that really fascinating. She's
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a powerful force, and she's a feminine. She's an aspect
of the feminine intelligence, the fecundity of the mystery that
expresses itself symbolically through the moon and through the feminine.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
And I read that when you wrote the book about Magdalen,
you eliminated the e on the end of her name.
Why is that she was?
Speaker 3 (45:43):
I guess it was she wanted to separate her identity
from the historical misconception of her as a whore.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Oh makes sense. Yeah, wow, speaking of the divine feminine.
Another thing that fascinated me in your movie, you visited
a Tibetan monastery nunnery, and you you discovered that the
nuns do beautiful chanting. I think Judy was there, and
she she was your wife. Judy was fascinated with it too.
(46:16):
That was Can we talk more about the divine, the
rise of the divine feminine?
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Oh yeah, it's going to be our saving grace. Yeah,
the feminine in all levels, not just spiritually but psycho
spiritually and physically, as women take their power and their
voice and they step into the arena even though it's
been a man's arena for way, way long time. So
(46:44):
when we were in Tibet, we went to several monasteries,
of course, and worked with works with the Gelupas and
others who were very masterful, and they're all extraordinary. We
went to Gaillance and the Nunnery and I was stunned.
Her musicianship was impeccable, as good as any of the
(47:05):
males that we had encountered, and their understanding was extraordinary.
So I remember we finished that. During that trip, I
got bronchitis because Tibet is just so intense. So we're
getting it on the bus to go back to the
hotel and I say to Judy, thank God, my karma
with Tibet is over. I don't have to come back
(47:25):
and she said, well, I'm going to come back to
record the nuns. You're welcome to come with me. That's
women in power. Yeah, okay, now aligned with that. So
that's how it came about. Yeah, a lot more. I
could say, I'll go in your direction you want to,
but there's so much extraordinary things in Tibet and that
(47:49):
that is.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Just fascinating about the nunnery. But of course, you know,
your your interaction with Magdalen and the world's interaction is
she is the symbol of the rise of divine feminine.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
For some people, they're really you know, in Tibetan Buddhism,
we have the rise of the feminine also taking place.
You know, some of the greatest is considered by Tibetan
scholars that one of the most powerful deities and the
entire pantheon of the what are called tutelary deities is
Vragio Yoghini, the highest of I is a feminine figure
(48:24):
in that particular system. And then Tara is a feminine energy.
I love the story about taras she was a princess
in a very small village. They used the term princess,
but she was you know, it's a very small community.
But she was a princess and she attained enlightenment, and
the Lamas in the rest of Tibet knew that a
(48:46):
Buddha had just emerged full the enlightened being had just emerged,
and they went to pay homage. So when they met her,
they didn't know what to do because they expected a man.
And their actual words to her were, now that you
have attained buddhahood, you can read you turn as a man.
And she said, I will or ever remain in the
form of a woman this day. That's feminine power and
(49:10):
that's that.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
I like that. I like that. Gosh again, you know,
my mind is racing so fast. There's just so much
wonderful stuff here. Well, and just quickly. You've written many
many books obviously, and you've written both about the Hawthores
and the Octurians. How did you connect with their Octurians
(49:34):
and what is their message for humanity?
Speaker 3 (49:37):
At Litia too, in the Languiduck UoN of France, there's
this extraordinary mountains in the Languidock and there's a certain
stone configuration that when you look at it, it looks
like a dragon. I mean, it looked like a freaking dragon.
In the valley right next to the mountain, and I
would go hiking there because these trails could go on forever,
(50:00):
and I would go for ikes last all day to
just enjoy myself. And then I encountered an octarian there
and it began a relationship. What was interesting. He started
to teach me some things, and I was also resistant,
even though it had experience with the Hathors. I'm like,
wait a minute, now, another weird that's coming. How many
weirdos coming in? I was a bit resistant, and so
(50:24):
he said, if I remember it correctly, because this was
many years ago, he said, when you go to sleep,
i'll I'll take you to the ship. And so I
remember having a dream and I was taken to one
of their ships in the Languido oct This is for
the big imaginery box. I didn't inside the mountain, in
a different type of space than what we would call matter.
(50:44):
And I remember the dream vividly. And I woke up
and it was three o'clock in the morning and the
clock had stopped external clock and it stopped working and
would never move past three o'clock. That was interesting.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
I've had a couple of channels on who brought through
I have Daniel the Octurian, and I'm trying to eaven
a couple other Octorians talk to me here on World Awakenings.
Speaking of talking, we are talking with the amazing, multi
talented Tom Kenyon. I just you said this in the
(51:23):
movie and I just love your self description.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
What was it?
Speaker 2 (51:27):
You are a Neil Pagan, Tibetan Buddhist daois agnostic, quantum
physicist and mystic, all rolled up in a strange amalgam
who used to play country music. Do you ever pull
out your guitar and still play a little country.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
A little bit? I lost my chops because I moved
so much into piano and using synthesizers as the way
to create the tapestry. But yeah, occasionally, but I've lost
my chops, which is sad. You have to keep practicing.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yes, whatever it is, it doesn't matter. And I know
you're a musician because you use the words I lost
my chops. That is a musicians term, and I was
in radio, so I understand that. Wow, you do workshops
all around the world, But I see you have many
workshops on your website, Tom Kenyon dot com. Is that
(52:19):
a good place where people can check those out and
they can download them.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
Right, yeah, yeah, And there's a lot of free content,
and somebody's interested in the science behind all this stuff.
There's the section on acoustic brain research and shows the
research data, the studies, the reports that are all there
in acousta brain research. If somebody wants to go into
the science of sound, and I'll all free. I mean,
the workshops you download, you pay for them, but there's
a lot of free content.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
And I got to tell you, if you go to
Tom's website, Tom Kenyon dot com, take some time. There
is a lot of information there. And do you do
you have any planned? Are you traveling? Are you going
to do a psychoacoustic immersion anywhere soon?
Speaker 3 (53:00):
And this year maybe next year? I have think plan
this year and I'm mostly hunkering down and creating the
things that the Heathers want me to create and not
traveling at least this year. We'll see about next year.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
And of course your website is the best way for
people to find out more about you and perhaps connect
with you.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
Yes, you do.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
You work one on one with clients.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Occasionally occasionally, Okay.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
All right, awesome, Tom Kenyon. I was pretty nervous about
this because you're so amazing. I really appreciate it. Thank
you for the work you do. Thank you for the healing.
Thank you to the Hawthors for for helping humanity to
awaken and and heal. And Lord knows we humanity need
(53:50):
some healing right now.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
This has been another episode of World Awakenings, The Fast
Track to Enlightenment with host Carl Gruber, a certified Law
of Attraction life coach. We welcome you to tune in
to each and every episode of World Awakenings as we
open your mind, your heart, and your eyes to the
fact that the world's population is now more than ever
(54:25):
awakening to the truth of all things spiritual, metaphysical, and
enlightening and just how much they play an all important
role in our moment to moment daily life. Much love
and light to you, my friend, and thank you for
tuning into World Awakenings.
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