June 15, 2025 • 55 mins
World Awakenings show number 209 features a woman known as the "Body Whisperer", Melanie Weller. Her life has been an extraordinary journey so far with her with her deep exploration into the realms of physical therapy and her research on the vagus nerve, which has been transformative for her and her patients. She has developed an approach that combines both modern science and intuition which helped her save a patient from a desperate situation, and transformed her own perspective on healing. Her story resonates with the themes of enlightenment and spiritual awakening. Melanie brings a unique viewpoint on integrating ancient cycles with modern life, encouraging to reconnect with time in a way that resonates with both science and spirituality. On top of all her amazing talents and abilities, Melanie is also a medium.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is World Awakenings, the Fast Track to Enlightenment with
your host, Carl Gruber. World Awakenings is a podcast dedicated
to opening your mind, your heart, and your eyes to
the fact that the world's population is now more than
ever awakening to all things spiritual, metaphysical, and enlightening and
(00:27):
just how they play an all important role in our
daily life. So join Carl on this enlightening experience as
he interviews metaphysical and spiritual experts to discuss, debate, and
delve deeply into the house and whis of this world
wide awakening.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Before we get into today's show, here's another chat with
a man known as the Wizard of Wellness, Doctor Glenn's
Word Out. Glenn is a naturopathic healer from Hawaii. Now,
this week's health question is about something many of us
have quite a problem with, and that's falling asleep at night.
(01:11):
Doctor Glenn, is there a natural remedy that can help
someone with sleep challenges?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
A lot of herbs, there's nutrients that are precursors that
the pineal will make into melatonin. There's melatonin itself, which
is the hormone of darkness, the hormone of night time,
and sleep produced by the pineal. It's also produced all
the time in our mitochondria. It's actually one of the
most important antioxidants in the body. But as far as sleep,
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what I've done is put together all of those precursors melatonin,
the herbs that are relaxing and soothing, so horrific. We
call it soothing to the mind and sleep inducing. So
we're hitting all the different notes in the music that
helps us go to sleep. And we need an actually
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fairly high amount of melatonin, about twenty milligrams, not all
at once to go to sleep, but we need that
much spread out evenly through the night. This is what
our pineal would make and put in the blood if
it's working properly. But we know a lot of times
the pineal is not working, probably due to fluoride or
electromagnetic stress in our modern world. So we put that
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much in one capsule to help you fall asleep and
stay asleep through the night, and put it in with
herbs that form a gel. So it's slowly, slowly coming out,
slowly coming into the body, giving the same blood levels
that your pineal would make. And what that does is
that opens up the lymph. They're called glymph with a G,
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but like lymph channels in the brain, they only open
at night, so we didn't even know that they were
there until about twenty thirteen. I think they first were
discovered who looked at the brain on that level and
a living brain while the brain's asleep. But now we
know that's how the brain de toxifies while we're sleeping,
and if we're not sleeping, well we're not detoxifying the brain. Well,
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now I'm an eye doctor too, So the retina is embryologically,
it's developed as part of the brain.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
It's brain tissue.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It needs that melatonin as well to heal and cleanse
from blinding eye diseases. So then I've developed a second
formula just in case there's people who have a different
pattern where they have trouble going to sleep or not.
But maybe they take the brain cleanse I call it,
and go to sleep. But if they wake up in
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the middle of the night, or they don't need brain
cleansed because they fall asleep, but they wake in the
middle of the night, and they're awake from one to three,
which is when the liver I'm ready and is most active,
and the liver and the brain have the strongest electrical
polarity in the body. So if the liver is stressed,
that can throw off the brain at that time, and
it's when we should be cleansing that whole system. The
liver's most active and the brain is cleansing. So it's
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called synergy or centropy. I think I changed the name.
I like the word centropy because it's the opposite of entropy.
Entropy is how things fall apart, and centropy is how
we heal, how life works, how we increase in organization,
and you know, create the blueprint of our design of
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how we're supposed to be. So sleep centropy you can
take in the middle of the night. It has only
a homeopathic dose of melatonin, not enough to be to
affect grogginess when you wake up or that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Wow, what an incredible, beautiful answer some things that we
all need to think about. If you have that issue,
take a listen to what doctor Glenn said. So we
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and healing with a wizard of wellness Doctor Glenn's Worthwow. Now,
if you have a health issue you would like to
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Speaker 4 (05:04):
Question on an upcoming show.
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Speaker 4 (05:48):
Hey friends, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to World Awakening.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
He's a fast Track to Enlightenment, the show that seeks
to find the answer to the question why now, more
than ever, are the people of the world awakening to
all things spiritual, metaphysical and enlightening. I'm your host, Carl Gruber,
and yes we have got another absolutely amazing guests lined
up for today's show. But first, let me remind you
(06:13):
that not only can you watch this show on YouTube
and listen to it on Apple Podcasts, but you can
now watch it on the brand new TV network, New
Reality TV. Just scan the QR code you now see
on the screen, or click the link in the show
notes to find out how you can watch New Reality
TV today. Now let's meet our guests and Our guest
(06:36):
today is Melanie Weller, who is known as the Body Whisperer.
Melanie's life has been an extraordinary journey so far. Her
exploration in realms of physical therapy and her emphasis on
the Vegas nerve is transformative.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
She has developed an approach.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
That combines modern science and intuition, having having saved the
patient from a desperate situation, and in doing so, she
transformed her own perspective on healing. Her story resonates with
the themes of enlightenment and spiritual awakening.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
I like that part.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Melanie brings us a unique viewpoint on integrating ancient ycles
with modern life, encouraging us to reconnect with time in
a way that resonates with both science and spirituality. And
by the way, she is the host of her own
popular podcast called Fearless Presence and a prolific blog writer
on substack.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Wow with that, that is a great resume. Welcome, Welcome
Melanie to World Awakenings.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Thank you so much, Carl that, thank you, and thank
you for that fantastic introduction.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Well you created it. I mean, it is what Melanie
Weller does.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
But wow, I am absolutely fascinated about everything you do.
But I always like to start in finding out where
my guest is coming from from a young age. From
what I read, when you were young, you always felt
like an adult trapped in a child's body, and you
spent yours considering suicide.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Holy macrel, Can you tell us about this.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Time of life and how you broke out of the
cycle of traumasts.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
I mean, I think the breaking of the cycle was
literally a I mean, I say, I have a lot
of willpower too. I can be very stubborn and so
I'm but I grew up in a I would say
my church was not fundamentalist or authoritarian per se, but
the way that it was applied in my house growing up,
(08:33):
it was, you know, I had very authoritarian parents, I
you know, and adults to me were very scary people.
My probably one of the more powerful moments of my
childhood were around not being able to express my voice,
(08:55):
like not being able to not being allowed to grieve
my grandmother, not being allowed, you know, or being told
not to cry, not being allowed to sing. I had
to be in church choir, but the choir instructor made
me mouth the words, especially when we had important quote
unquote important performances, and I grew up in the DC area,
so we performed at the Kennedy Center, and you know,
had some some opportunities for other visibility just because of
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our geography and the and so I got really good
at biting my tongue and suppressing my voice, you know.
And when you do that long enough, it you know,
I think all the anger that I had about.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
That that I would have been very appropriate to express
in some way outwardly, I ended up reversing it and
directing it inwardly at myself.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
And I will say the universe like the gift or
one of the many gifts of my midlife crisis when
I or my mid life spiritual awakening often call it,
you know, in the midst of a health crisis, marriage crisis,
and lawsuit crisis, is that it really turned all of
that self destructive stuff off in a remarkably amazing way.
(10:16):
And I wouldn't wish that upon anybody. But I also
wouldn't change it for anything either, you know, because it
was hard.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
To go through.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
But like my life just turned upside down enough that
I would say that my circuits re set themselves around that,
you know, and certainly there and I had all the
reasons in the world to live. I've got amazing children
and an amazing husband. And it was like, but when
you're well, and I'll say, like, I really probably needed
(10:47):
my life shaken up, you know, to because I would
still be doing something much more traditional or being or
keeping my the more metaphysical or more spiritual part of
my practice more secret that I do now like it really,
you know, I probably needed the universe to smack me
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upside the head.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
So wow, it sounds like the universe didn't smack you
up the side ahead you had marital and health issues and.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
It's almost like your mind and your body just said
I can't take it anymore. I've got to do something different.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Absolutely, And it was also very clear that the universe
and I had a professional lawsuit against me too, And
so then I was like, oh, well, what am I
If I'm not doing this with my life, what am
I gonna do? I have to figure something else out
if I lose my license over this, which I didn't,
and it ultimately got dropped. It was a very nonsensical situation,
but you don't really know how those things are going
to go once they get formally filed.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, And you know, the fact that you weren't allowed
to speak your mind when you were a child.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I mean, doesn't that make you think how many children.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Throughout all of history have had trauma and issues because
of that? Because it's always been said children should be
seen and not heard throughout all of history.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Practically absolutely, And I think that I you know, I
think no matter how old you are, when you you know,
one of I will say, one of my gifts, I
think really professionally is to be able to see things,
like to be able to kind of have a sixty
thousand foot view over things, you know, and that's you know,
(12:33):
certainly my work kind of body of work has this
very high level perspective connecting a lot of dots underneath it,
and I think I probably always had some amount of
altitude over that, you know, and seeing my you know,
my parents are very good people, they you know, but
we all come with our trauma, and you know, generationally,
they just didn't get help with it in the way
(12:56):
that we you know, people would get help with it
necessarily nowadays. Yeah, and it you know, and just seeing
some of the absurdity of the behavior, I think I
just always felt really aware of that and there's probably
I think one of the hardest things for anybody is
kind of feeling like the only sane person in the asylum,
(13:19):
like seeing like what everybody else is doing and being like, I,
you know, like why can't you just do it differently?
Or what is this that's driving this kind of behavior?
And I totally like now as an adult, I really
understand it the behavior of my parents just through the
lens of trauma, you know, in their life experiences, you know,
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and so you know, we're all doing the best you
know we can. And my children will probably end up
in therapy someday too talking about me all. But I
definitely but we certainly had much more open conversations about
how they were feeling and whatnot, because I didn't get
the chance to do that. When I expressed how I
was feeling, the answer was, no, that's not true.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Well, and you know, feeling like the only sane person
in the asylum looking at what's going on in the world.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I guess we kind of are an asylum.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
We're all kind of there, right There's like the it
is really absurd right now for sure, and I think
that you know, like maybe the like the collective is
sort of getting smacked upside the head, you know, not
in the way that any of us want it, but
we're certainly the veil of politics has been pulled to
(14:38):
the side, you know, like we're certainly seeing all the
corruption and plain sight.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I live in New Orleans, and people here often I've
lived here for about sixteen years, but people that have
lived here even longer always say there's corruption everywhere. They
just don't hide it in New Orleans. And now I
feel like we're not hiding it at any level anymore.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
A lot of veils are being pull aside these days.
But you know, let's let's go back your main career.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You started as a physical therapist, right, and you're you're still.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Practicing, absolutely, I'm still yeah, I'm still licensed, and I've
got a few I started in athletic training first, actually,
and then I went to physical therapy school, you know,
and later on got my board specially certification in orthopedics.
But yes, so I am all but yes, I practice
as a physical therapist in Louisiana and Tennessee for that.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Okay, But so you're a physical therapist, but now you're
known as a neuro theologist and as the time whisperer
and the body whisperer to this, what.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
Is it like? Well, I thought the.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
My physical therapy patients have always called me the body
whisper because I just have this very gentle set of
techniques that I come out of a body was learned
very early and after graduating.
Speaker 7 (15:54):
From PT school.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
A series of techniques under the mbry of what's called
strain counter strain, and that's basically where you take a
structure and put it on slack and hold it there
so that the neurological mechanism that's keeping it tight can
reset itself. And that worked very well for me earlier
in my early in my career because I have silly
flexible fingers and had a lot of finger tennanitis in
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the first couple of years of practicing. I can't do
like I would never make it as a massage therapist
or you know, doing more direct soft tissue stuff. I
always had to use my knuckles or my elbow with
patients because I just my my fingers. I don't have
the stability and my fingers to do it. And so
I learned these very very gentle techniques and so people
were always just a little amazed that you know, they
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felt like they were getting a laying on of hands,
and then they'd get up and get better and feel
better than they did the But what I found over
the years is in introducing myself as a physical therapist,
that everybody was always like, you know, they wanted me
to help. They're like, oh, well, my shoulder hurts, what's happening?
You know, they give me all those more conventional questions.
(17:03):
But it always felt like my like that box was
never big enough to hold my skill like my skill
set and really what I was doing. And and you know,
through the experience that you alluded to in my introduction,
working with somebody who was in had a suicide planned
(17:23):
for that evening, it's very easy for me to look
back on that and say that, and you know, understanding
the science of how our bodies inform our brains, our
brains are eighty percent input, they're only twenty percent output.
And so and his body was functionally in a rigor mortis,
(17:44):
like his body was so restricted in so many ways
that it was telling his brain it was dead. And
then so he had a behavioral drive then to match
that on the outside. Like as above, so below I
think is really the only role we ever truly follow.
And and the other way to say that is that
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time had stopped in his body. But I've always really
straddled this line between the science and the and the spirituality.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
And you know, like.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Sometime in the nineties I read Anatomy of the spirit
by Caroline Mason really and that puts and that I
was like, oh, now all of my chronic pain patients
made sense. And so I would ask them questions. So,
you know, if I had somebody with chronic knee pain,
I would ask them about their relationship with their tribe,
or like, hey, what's your social life, like, you know,
and just kind of start to peel away some of
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those layers or and and it was always just incredibly
helpful and insightful, insightful they'd start talking about it, and
you know, or I could make a little like hey,
you know, like just like, well, maybe you need a
little more social support in your life too to.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Help this along and the.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
H And anyway, fast forward many years when I Andrew
Nuberg is a physician researcher at Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia,
and when I heard him do a presentation on the
field of neurotheology. It took my breath away because I
was like, oh, I think I've been doing this my
entire life. Yeah, I mean, my clinical expertise was always
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treating the vegus nerve as a pinch nerve in the body.
But I love and have always been passionate about the
spiritual underpinnings of physical dysfunction. You know that, really, why
did this happen in the first place, Because it's never
just or it never felt me like things just happened
for no reason. And especially in chronic pain, you know,
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sometimes we fall or have an accident, and that seems
you know, that's a more obvious.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Though.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
I think there are spiritual underpinnings to those kinds of
events too. But when we get autoimmune diseases, when we
get you know, have you know, like like I've had
a lot of foot pain, my mother's had a lot
of foot pain, my grandmother had a lot of foot issues,
you know that, like you get these generational things like
it always was obvious to me that there was more
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than just what was happening in the moment attached to
these things. And in the midst of my midlife crisis,
I turned to astrology, okay, and to figure it because
my life wasn't making sense. And I actually got a
referral to an astrologer from the dean of a local university.
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So it came very from a really grounded human being,
you know, at the time, And I didn't I never
really dismissed astrology, but I I just didn't really know
that much about it at the time. And what and
I had been in this space because this was all
in the midst of everything where I had been.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
I had done some reading.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
And understood that mythology was a way of talking about
scientific things like, for exams ample, the ancient myth of
Isis and Osiris is the story of the Earth's processional cycle.
They just told it in story form so that people
would remember it, because we're all wired for story, not
for facts.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
And then when so then when?
Speaker 5 (21:17):
And I have this favorite picture of the ventricles of
the brain that makes cerebral spinal fluid. It's an MRI image,
and I've showed it to patients for years and years
and years because I think it's so cool. And the
first time I showed it to somebody after I had
been studying astrology for myself, it hit me. I was like,
oh my, this looks just like the ramshorns that represent
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aries and an astrology aries rules the head.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
And I was.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Instantly like, oh, where is the rest of it? And
it is all there, hidden in plain sight, in the
order of the zodiac head to toe. We are made
in the image of the zodiac, you know, when I
think about being made in the image of God and
where those lines might have come from, we all have
two much light pollution now to even realize what we're missing,
(22:05):
but it is it.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
But these.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Myths that go with astrology are allegories for anatomy and physiology,
for like our underlying function, just like the myth of
Isis and Osirius is a an allegory for the Earth's
processional cycle. And so I took this and like, uh,
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you know, a lot of this was kind of like
a big download of information. It's hard to describe other
way otherwise, But between matching the archetypes of the zodiac
and and and even within the Bible, as well as
angles that go with within the body that go that
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match angle like the axial tilt of the Earth and
the angle between the pole stars that the Earth orients
towards you know, I like, these are all like my
biomechanical knowledge just lit up. I was like, I know
where all of that is in the body, and so
I created a form of It's easy to call it
energy medicine. I think it's it's also rooted in real science.
(23:19):
But I have a technique I call electrofascial release, and
I use that to treat people both in person and remotely,
to really line their nervous systems up to the solar system.
And there's extraordinary research about how uh, solar and space
weather influences our body through the vagus nerve. And so
I know I've taken you on a wild ride already,
(23:39):
but this is but we are already like but we
are wired, you know, we are connected so like on
such a big scale.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
You know.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Then then we realize and that like the you know,
are the subconscious parts of our brain. Uh, you know,
especially the cerebellum has the same mass as the cosmic web.
And so if there was going to be a mechanism
through which the planets influenced us.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Uh, you know, we we have that in our in
our brain.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You know, everything that that you just said is evidence
that everything is connected and in so many ways. I mean,
so neuro theology is science meeting spirituality, and it's not
something that you invented.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
It has been around for a while.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Oh I know, I think it's it's absolutely I did
not invent it. I just yeah, I just I I
I am expanding it in my own you know, in
my own direction that there's amazing science about how spirituality
affects our brain. And very honestly, the research overwhelmingly says
that nothing, no other intervention or medication comes close to
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spirituality when it comes to mental health.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
It's incredibly protective.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Especially for young people that are spiritual, whereas religion. So
the research differentiates between spirituality and religion, and that's how
they've really been able to look at this. You know,
spirituality is basically your relationship with your inner authority, like
what feels you know, like in you, whereas our religion
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is your relationship with outer authority. Yeah, and so when
like if your mother was spiritual with or without being religious,
you are eighty percent protected against depression.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
For example.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Like they're like, there's just incredible statistics on how.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
Valuable it is.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
And for people in blue zones, spiritual, their spiritual The
spirituality component of that they've studied increases lifespan between four
and fourteen years.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Very interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Well, you know, we have to talk about this because
we need to find out about the vegas nerve. You
like in the vegas nerve too, the pendulum pendulum of
a somatic clock, stress and trauma diminishing its function gratitude
and pleasure.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
And enhance it. Can you explain what the.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Vegas nerve is and why does it play such an
important role in our life?
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Absolutely? Well, your vegas nerve is important one just because
of how incredibly big it is. It starts in your
brainstem and goes all the way down into the pelvis.
In women, it innervates your cervix. It goes to your
heart first and then loops back up to innervate vocal cords.
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So I like to think of it as the nerve
that allows us to speak our hearts. It is in
almost all of your organs. It is not in your
adrenal glands because they're more because they're involved in the
opposite effect of your vegus nerve. But it it innervates
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the muscles of our digestive system, so it helps us
move food through our digestive systems. Our vegus nerve helps
us absorb water and nutrients. We are unable to absorb
vitamin B twelve without it.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
And we all.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Well, we all know when our vegus nerve is not
working well because if you've ever had a stage fright
kind of response, which is, you know, a very relatable
experience for a lot of people that when you get
that lump in your throat and your palms are sweating
and your heart's racing and your stomach is churning, that
all happens because your vegus nerve got dialed down and
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your fight and flight system got dialed up. So your
vegus nerve is really your grace under pressure. It's your
rest and digest and it is this.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
Pendul between.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Between being calm, you know, between that grace under pressure,
between that calm, between bliss and between freeze. You know
that it goes it depending on how whether like the
front the part of our vegaus nerve that's more towards
the front side of the body is more of that
feeling good, rest and digest stuff. Our freeze responses are
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mediated a little bit more by our right vegus nerve
that goes towards the back side of the body, and
so it's always.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
Your vegus nerve.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
How well it works really determines not just how how
calm under pressure, how zend out you can be in
your life, but it also predicts how like vegas nerve
function predicts longevity with pancreatic cancer, So the better you're
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vegas nerve functions with a pancreatic cancer diagnosis, the longer
you will live.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
One of them.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
As a physical therapist, I always really loved treating the
vegas nerve as a pinch nerve and treating those open
you know, the these specific anatomical thresholds where it can
really get seems to get caught more easily because it
reduces inflammation. So people that just weren't getting better for
other reasons they would like I like. I can remember
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once having a bunch of middle aged ladies who were
probably my age with knee pain, and the magic technique
that I had always used for that wasn't didn't seem
like it was working all of a sudden, and so
I remember reevaluating them all and treating their vagus nerve
at the base of their skull and when I decompressed
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the vegas nerve at the base of their skull, their
knees started getting better. And your vegus nerve you also
uses the same ner transmitter that your muscles do. So
you get these really beautiful systemic changes in muscle tone and.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
Ability to move.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Like for example, when I evaluate somebody, I look at
their big toe mobility, like I have a special test
for that to tell me if it's moving correctly or not.
I'll you know, look at their ankle flexibility. I'll check
where their tibbian fibula meat together next to their knees.
So I'm looking at a lot of like really fine
joint mechanics.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
And when those when that.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Those lower body those little lower body joints are really tight,
I know their vegas nervous compressed at the base of
their skull. And so if I go do the technique
at the base of their skull, they like their feet
are looser after I do it, And so you get
because you get these really.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
Beautiful systemic tone changes.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
You know, it just normalizes out all the all the biomechanics,
and so it gives people better shock absorption for sure.
And I think, or I find that just observationally. If
you don't have mechanical shock absorption, you don't have emotional
or spiritual shock absorption either. People you know, I would
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say people that have more that are somewhat more rigid
in their beliefs can be much more rigid in their
bodies too.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Interesting, So you can actually as a physical therapist, access
the vagus nerve at the base of the skull by
putting pressure compressing there.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
There's yeah, there's a few different ways to do it.
And so it exits through what's called your jugular framemen,
and you have one on the right and one on
the left, and the jugular framing on each side is
about twenty three and a half degrees up from the
center of the frame and magnum where your spinal cord exits,
so it matches the axial tilt of the earth and
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so like for people listening right now, the easiest way
to start to access that, to decompress your vegus nerve
at the base of your skull would be to take
that tab on the front of your ear called the tregis.
But it's the part that like, if you didn't want
to hear me, that you would push over your ear holes,
but to grab it between your thumb and forefinger on
each side and just really gently pull the right one
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to the right and the left one to the left,
just like you'd be unwrapping a piece of taffy, your
bubble gum, old fashioned bubblegum now, and that starts to
your vegaserf it comes out between your temporal bone and
your occipital bone. That's just grabbing your tregus and pulling
is an easy way to access to kind of grab
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onto your your temporal bone and start to stretch it
away from the occiple to bone.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
There are.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
But you can, you know, very often I have people
like even with that, like you could check your neck motion,
see how your neck feels to move beforehand, and do
that stretch for maybe thirty seconds or a minute and repeat,
and very often your neck will.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
Be looser, a little bit looser after that. But they are.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
But from a hands on perspective, there's there's a much
longer answer that I won't delve into right now, probably, but.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
It seems to me when I read that trauma can
affect the vegas nerve.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Right absolutely absolutely, trauma definitely dials down your vegas nerve
but what trauma also does. I would say that the
reason that dials down your vegas nerve is because because
of how trauma mechanically affects the body. For example, nobody
experiences stress or trauma and walks down the street with
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really great arm swing. Oh you know, we all bring
our arms in close. We stop rotating. Rotation is the
first thing that we give up. And rotation mechanically is
on the horizontal plane in the body, on the transverse plane.
And so where we have horizontal anatomy like the base
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of our skull, our vocal cords, our collar bones, our diaphragm,
our pelvic floor, our areas that the vagus nerve will
get more is more likely to get pinched. Those horizontal
anatomical areas sees up in trauma.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
I'm gonna have to practice my arm swing.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
So well, the most important thing about arm swing is
it doesn't really come from your arms.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
It comes from the momentum of your gate.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
So yeah, wow, interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
We're talking to Melanie Weller, a physical therapist or neuro
theologists and also a body whisper. But I would really
like to find out about what are your thoughts on
time itself?
Speaker 7 (34:47):
Time? I think that with time.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
I think we're all kind of like fish that.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
Don't know the water exists.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
I think we're swimming in time and we're so close
to it that we really don't know it is exactly
it is. I mean, I understand a lot of the
physics around it and the science around it. But what's
really interesting to me is that the common thread between
mental health diagnoses, neurological diagnoses, and orthopedic diagnoses is time
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perception and processing. And for all the zodiac, you know,
the astrology that I've talked about so far, even if
you don't believe in astrology, the zodiac is a clock, yeah,
and we are made in the image of that great clock.
So our bodies are clocks. So like we're moving through
time and time is moving through us. And the same
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parts of the brain that you would rehabilitate for trauma
are also very involved in time perception and processing, you know,
So trauma really alters your ability to perceive an inte
great time. So like in the research, you know they'll
do certain tasks, and you know, people with different diagnoses
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will over underestimate time or underestimate time, for example. But
when you organize time perception and processing in the nervous system.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
Then you.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Then life gets more organized for you. You tend to
like you have less pain, you have less fewer triggers,
your behavior is easier to change.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
It's interesting talking to so many guests over the years,
and I'll admit I've been really fortunate. I've really basically
been pretty trauma free my entire life, and I'm so
blessed and grateful for that. But how many people experience trauma.
I mean, even you as a youngster, you experienced trauma
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from people silencing you.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Oh right, I mean, trauma is definitely the norm. And
I think and I really value my own traumatic experiences
as ways as guardrails that really kept me on my
life path to get here right now, Like you know,
like and I know that like it like that doesn't
happen instantly, you know, and certainly.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
You know, I think the thing that.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
You know, it can be more challenging when you have
one giant episode of trauma than when you have like
more little episodes or it's different, but your nervous system
really doesn't, you know, see the difference if you hit
your thumb with a hammer really hard.
Speaker 7 (37:38):
And you need to go to the emergency room.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
To get stitches in a cast and all that kind
of stuff. Your thumb has clearly had a big trauma.
But if you tap on your thumb one hundred thousand
times a day or you know, a million times a
week or whatever, you're going to have a really.
Speaker 7 (37:54):
Inflamed thumb too.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
And so we, you know, as humans, I find people
really like to, you know, we like to rank these
traumas like this one is worse than this, you know,
than that one, or my trauma is worse than yours,
or not as bad or whatever, and your nervous system
does not care. You know, the the trauma is trauma.
Speaker 7 (38:20):
And sometimes.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
You know, things that are relatively little, you know, for
a system that's been hyper vigilant for a long long time,
you know, an event that seems very minor, like spilling
milk might really set them over the edge versus like
somebody that's had a bigger trauma but.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
Maybe not as much in between. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, that's that's interesting because trauma builds up simply like stress.
And when you have stress or trauma build one on
the other, it creates blockages within your body, energy blockages.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
It's really just about contrasts, because contrast is the language
of the nervous system, and neurons fire. They don't there's
no one between. They work on an all or nothing role.
And you wouldn't go to a movie, read a book,
see a play, watch a TV show in a rave
about it to your friends if it didn't have enough
contrast in it, because it would be boring, and your
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nervous system will not let you live a dull story,
like you're in the middle of this incredible epic story
where you are the star and you're and we are
more afraid of being bored than anything else.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Well, you know, just going back for a moment on
the subject of time, teachings such as a course in
miracles and Hinduism say that time is not real and
then it's just an illusion of the ego to keep
us thinking that everything is separate in the out of unity,
conscious of all ideas.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
I don't think that, like, I understand that perspective, but
I think, but we all work on these, you know, time.
I think like, especially when I think about this age
of artificial intelligence, you know, and think, well, what is
our real intelligence. I think historically, our real intelligence has
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always been our relationship with time, and how the moon
tells the time of the month, and the sun tells
the time of the year, and the equinoxes and solstices
tell the seasons, and we all you know, when you
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really look at astrology and you know, and I've had
the opportunity to delve in not just a Western astrology,
but into Vedic astrology and looking at you know, and
even a little bit into the Arabic system and seeing
you know, how different cultures are these different ways.
Speaker 7 (41:02):
To interpret it, that are.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
You know, very often like our cycles of illness are
deeply programmed into us, and you know, and that our karma,
you know, what we're working out is really all about time,
you know. And our belief systems were you know, regardless
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of what they what they are, whether you're an atheist
and you believe not everything stops when we die, or
if you believe in eternal life. You know, it's like
spirituality and religion is all I will say, Especially religion
is all about.
Speaker 7 (41:43):
Your relationship with time, you know.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Like in I deal with a lot of people with
a lot of religious trauma whose family members like especially
parents will not talk to them because they're not towing
the party line anymore. And their parents think they're going
to spend eternity in hell because they stayed in communication
with their children, you know, and so driving it's driving
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how they spend their time now.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
And so.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
I think time is much more than a construct. I
think it's really this framework on like through which we all,
like all of our behavior and all of our you know,
when we think we've created a lot of success, you
don't do that without having a really great zodiacal signature
or shifting cycles zodiacally. That all of this really drives
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our behavior and our our successes, our failures, our challenges,
you know, even you know, having loved ones come into
our lives, you know, and even losing some of the
people we love the most.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
You know.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
It's really fascinating how that all ends up being kind
of tied to our own personal clocks.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Well, and you know, I myself, I adhere to that
spiritual teaching that time is an illusion. But here we are,
within this body, within this three D world, and we
are caught in the web of time, the construct, and
there's no getting around it.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
But I think that you can adhere to.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
The belief that time is an illusion, but you still
have to live your life within this and absolutely right, Yeah,
but you do that in the best way possible and
the healthiest and the most loving and kind way possible.
So yeah, here in his body, there is time, and
we have to live.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Yeah, I mean, certainly being earth bound, I think time
is just a requisite thing, like outside of our solar system.
Maybe maybe not as much better or in the ethereal realms,
but but yeah, we all have to and I think
you know, stories for example, or how we organize time
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in our lives, and so we're all just trying to
make sense, you know, to organize these stories of our
lives in the most productive way that we you know,
and happiest way that we can.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, there's a reason I have a watch on my wrist, right,
I have to deal with a constructive time.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Another favorite quote of mine from a course in Miracles
is all thought produces form on some level. Now, this
seems to be perfectly aligne with that our thoughts create
our reality.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 7 (44:39):
Oh? Absolutely, when you get the.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
I mean, I would say, and especially when you are
more well, because thoughts are especially if you're going to
think about your goals and aspirations for example, as thoughts
or something that you're desiring, you know, trying to manifest
as a thought that you're trying to bring that reality
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through time, you know, to kind of pull it from
that ethereal time like into you're trying to bring that
into real time. And so I absolutely think that, and
I think that if you're the more organized your time
perception and processing is the better you are at manifesting.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Yeah, I think, yeah, I think I think so too.
You know, I talk to many people and I say,
you know, everything's energy. Your thoughts are real energy.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
And you know, just because we can't they're in a
spectrum of light, we can't see it. If we could
see our thoughts, we'd see these little you.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
Know, the time absolutely well, and you can't have a
different thought or it can be really challenging. And until
you really change your body, you have to change the
way your body's informing your brain. When you decompress your
vegas nerve, for example, when you get you know and
do different somatic techniques. But I would say especially vegas
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nerve decompression, it opens up the ability for you to
have different thoughts, like the LA's why somebody can go
from having their suicide planned or ideating about it heavily
to wanting to live and being able to really move
forward and have a different perspective on life and completely
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you know that one experience for that patient, you know,
it completely changed the way that he thought in that moment.
And I've seen that over and over and over with people.
Your body is informing your brain and if you want
a different way of thinking or that, something about your
body has to change. That information has to be able
to flow more freely. Often I find that my vegus
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nerve system aligns very well with the Chinese medicine concept
of Chi flow.
Speaker 7 (47:04):
And it's like if the cheek, you.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
Know, if you can't move it up through your body
to your brain, you can't get out of illness mindset,
you can't get out of lack mindset or whatever. You know,
Like you've got to be able to move it all
the way up.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, that analogy and she in the vagus nerves makes
real sense to me.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Yeah, that's that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
You you have your own podcast called Fearless Presence, But
I do what exactly is fearless presence to you.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
To me, fearless presence is bringing together science and spirituality,
like your expertise and your intuition, that it's bringing together
these so that you're really showing up fully. You know,
Medically we all get trained to really compartmentalize, you know,
and a lot of people do you know, you can
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show up to work with your work hat on. You
don't bring your personal life to work. And I get that.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
You know.
Speaker 5 (48:03):
It's like when especially when you're working with other people,
it's not all about you but the you know, but
those those intuitive hunches in those you know, when I
showed up for this person in that story, what really,
uh you know, I brought did all my best technical
work and I really I gave him a mediumship reading
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that surprised even me at how accurate it was and
specific and uh you know, and you know channeled him
a message from that person and it was really, Uh,
it was a beautiful experience where like I showed up
fully and when I brought those two pieces of myself
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that I had really kept separate, or had really kept
at least uh, you know, kept my intuition a little
bit more secret and ANSD around that topic with people.
I just showed up fully with it, and you know,
in a situation that doesn't even really fall in my
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professional expertise, was ninety resolved in ninety minutes.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
So you have a mediumship abilities your ear you're able
to be do you know?
Speaker 5 (49:25):
I don't advertise that, but but when it comes, you know,
like in the moment, you know, it's a very intimate
experience to have your hand on somebody's body and even
to have your hand like to hold somebody's heart, or
to hold somebody's kidneys, or to you know, like to
be like, you know, energetically so deep in their you know,
in their bodies and the you know, and my I
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recognize that my ability to like for the energy medicine
that I do, or when I I've always been very
good at like seeing metaphor in the body or you
having an image of what's happening. And that's the same
muscle as the mediumship muscle. I don't I don't do
too much in the way of mediumship these days so much,
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but it's the same. But like it's just the spectrum,
you know. I just choose kind of not to I
choose the direction to use my my intuition and really
being able to kind of see those that zodiac in
the body and really feel for it as part of that.
But I find that it's also I've taught other people
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how to do it, and it's very like anything. I mean,
I think mediumship is a skill that we all have
and that we can all develop that.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
Wow, this is very cool.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
We're discovering new abilities of Melanie well Ers. We're going
to kind of wind down here a little bit just quickly,
if you could. I was reading one of your recent
blogs in which you state that there is a missing
link in healing.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
What is that missing link?
Speaker 5 (51:00):
Oh, it's it's hand down, hands down time that we're not.
I don't think we need to be trauma informed. I
think we need to be time informed. And so I've
branded my system like we really don't have trauma. We
have time stamps, you know, of good things and bad
things in the body, you know, and hard things, but
like our nervous of who we get time stamped.
Speaker 7 (51:22):
And there's certainly the neurological piece of it.
Speaker 5 (51:25):
There is a uh like a geometric and geographical part
of you know, like there's like the location energy. The
location is part of that time stamp. It affects the
geometry of your body, and then there's the mythological part
of it or like the story this archetype, you know
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how the what the archetypal.
Speaker 7 (51:49):
Aspect of it is.
Speaker 5 (51:51):
And so when you can really address the entire time stamp,
it dissolves trauma.
Speaker 7 (52:03):
I find much much faster.
Speaker 5 (52:05):
And we will never sell trauma inform care to the
whole world because not everybody wants to do it, but
people would like to have a different relationship with their time.
They might want more playtime, more me time, more family time,
more prayer time, more wellness time, or whatever, you know,
and you can really assign that you can break that
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down very clinically throughout the body to be able to
help them get that.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Well, this is everything you've been talking about to a
lot of it is new to me and it's just
opening my mind to so many new things that.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
I hadn't really considered.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
And I think if people go to your website Melanieweller
dot com, they would find out more. And I saw
that you do many beautiful things like retreats, You have
a forty day challenge coming, and you even offer a
zodiac in Vegas or workbook, right, I.
Speaker 5 (53:02):
Do, I do, And the forty day Challenge in the
Zodiac and the Vegas Neeworkbook are all free. It's a
great way to kind of dip your toe into all
of this. And I do have a retreat next month
in July of twenty twenty five in Nashville, Okay area,
and another one in the south of France at the
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end of September. So if anyone's interested in that, I'm
easy to find reach out.
Speaker 4 (53:28):
Yeah, that sounds like a wonderful stuff.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
And so the best way for people to connect with
you is go to your website Melanieweller dot com.
Speaker 5 (53:38):
Yes, yep, absolutely, that's definitely the best way you can
find it. You can also find me on Instagram at
embody your star, oh in.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Bonnie, Okay, I'll put those links in the show notes
and just amazing stuff again. And oh, by the way,
don't forget you know, there is this beautiful website called substack.
I do a blog on there, but Melanie, he's got
some beautiful blogs on there. Go to subsec and look
her up. I really enjoyed reading your blogs.
Speaker 5 (54:07):
Thank you, thank you so much, Carl and for my
paid subsect subscribers. I've I do a monthly energy healing
and I do healing demonstrations because that feels that's one
of my I like being able to take one person
and help change a group of people, and so it
gives me a chance to really exercise that that muscle.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
That is very cool.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
So we've been speaking to the time whisper and a
body Melanie.
Speaker 4 (54:34):
Wellener, Melanie, thank you so much for what you do
for the world and for the people here.
Speaker 5 (54:40):
Oh well, thank you, Carl, and thank you for giving
giving me a platform to share my voice. I know
that I always heal a little bit more every time
I get to I get to speak my truth.
Speaker 7 (54:49):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
This has been another episode of World Awakenings, the Fast
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of Attraction life coach. We welcome you to tune in
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Speaker 2 (00:51):
Before we get into today's show, here's another chat with
a man known as the Wizard of Wellness, Doctor Glenn's
Word Out. Glenn is a naturopathic healer from Hawaii. Now,
this week's health question is about something many of us
have quite a problem with, and that's falling asleep at night.
(01:11):
Doctor Glenn, is there a natural remedy that can help
someone with sleep challenges?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
A lot of herbs, there's nutrients that are precursors that
the pineal will make into melatonin. There's melatonin itself, which
is the hormone of darkness, the hormone of night time,
and sleep produced by the pineal. It's also produced all
the time in our mitochondria. It's actually one of the
most important antioxidants in the body. But as far as sleep,
(01:39):
what I've done is put together all of those precursors melatonin,
the herbs that are relaxing and soothing, so horrific. We
call it soothing to the mind and sleep inducing. So
we're hitting all the different notes in the music that
helps us go to sleep. And we need an actually
(01:59):
fairly high amount of melatonin, about twenty milligrams, not all
at once to go to sleep, but we need that
much spread out evenly through the night. This is what
our pineal would make and put in the blood if
it's working properly. But we know a lot of times
the pineal is not working, probably due to fluoride or
electromagnetic stress in our modern world. So we put that
(02:20):
much in one capsule to help you fall asleep and
stay asleep through the night, and put it in with
herbs that form a gel. So it's slowly, slowly coming out,
slowly coming into the body, giving the same blood levels
that your pineal would make. And what that does is
that opens up the lymph. They're called glymph with a G,
(02:43):
but like lymph channels in the brain, they only open
at night, so we didn't even know that they were
there until about twenty thirteen. I think they first were
discovered who looked at the brain on that level and
a living brain while the brain's asleep. But now we
know that's how the brain de toxifies while we're sleeping,
and if we're not sleeping, well we're not detoxifying the brain. Well,
(03:06):
now I'm an eye doctor too, So the retina is embryologically,
it's developed as part of the brain.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
It's brain tissue.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It needs that melatonin as well to heal and cleanse
from blinding eye diseases. So then I've developed a second
formula just in case there's people who have a different
pattern where they have trouble going to sleep or not.
But maybe they take the brain cleanse I call it,
and go to sleep. But if they wake up in
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the middle of the night, or they don't need brain
cleansed because they fall asleep, but they wake in the
middle of the night, and they're awake from one to three,
which is when the liver I'm ready and is most active,
and the liver and the brain have the strongest electrical
polarity in the body. So if the liver is stressed,
that can throw off the brain at that time, and
it's when we should be cleansing that whole system. The
liver's most active and the brain is cleansing. So it's
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called synergy or centropy. I think I changed the name.
I like the word centropy because it's the opposite of entropy.
Entropy is how things fall apart, and centropy is how
we heal, how life works, how we increase in organization,
and you know, create the blueprint of our design of
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Speaker 4 (05:48):
Hey friends, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to World Awakening.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
He's a fast Track to Enlightenment, the show that seeks
to find the answer to the question why now, more
than ever, are the people of the world awakening to
all things spiritual, metaphysical and enlightening. I'm your host, Carl Gruber,
and yes we have got another absolutely amazing guests lined
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TV today. Now let's meet our guests and Our guest
(06:36):
today is Melanie Weller, who is known as the Body Whisperer.
Melanie's life has been an extraordinary journey so far. Her
exploration in realms of physical therapy and her emphasis on
the Vegas nerve is transformative.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
She has developed an approach.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
That combines modern science and intuition, having having saved the
patient from a desperate situation, and in doing so, she
transformed her own perspective on healing. Her story resonates with
the themes of enlightenment and spiritual awakening.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
I like that part.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Melanie brings us a unique viewpoint on integrating ancient ycles
with modern life, encouraging us to reconnect with time in
a way that resonates with both science and spirituality. And
by the way, she is the host of her own
popular podcast called Fearless Presence and a prolific blog writer
on substack.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Wow with that, that is a great resume. Welcome, Welcome
Melanie to World Awakenings.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Thank you so much, Carl that, thank you, and thank
you for that fantastic introduction.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Well you created it. I mean, it is what Melanie
Weller does.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
But wow, I am absolutely fascinated about everything you do.
But I always like to start in finding out where
my guest is coming from from a young age. From
what I read, when you were young, you always felt
like an adult trapped in a child's body, and you
spent yours considering suicide.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Holy macrel, Can you tell us about this.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Time of life and how you broke out of the
cycle of traumasts.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
I mean, I think the breaking of the cycle was
literally a I mean, I say, I have a lot
of willpower too. I can be very stubborn and so
I'm but I grew up in a I would say
my church was not fundamentalist or authoritarian per se, but
the way that it was applied in my house growing up,
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it was, you know, I had very authoritarian parents, I
you know, and adults to me were very scary people.
My probably one of the more powerful moments of my
childhood were around not being able to express my voice,
(08:55):
like not being able to not being allowed to grieve
my grandmother, not being allowed, you know, or being told
not to cry, not being allowed to sing. I had
to be in church choir, but the choir instructor made
me mouth the words, especially when we had important quote
unquote important performances, and I grew up in the DC area,
so we performed at the Kennedy Center, and you know,
had some some opportunities for other visibility just because of
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our geography and the and so I got really good
at biting my tongue and suppressing my voice, you know.
And when you do that long enough, it you know,
I think all the anger that I had about.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
That that I would have been very appropriate to express
in some way outwardly, I ended up reversing it and
directing it inwardly at myself.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
And I will say the universe like the gift or
one of the many gifts of my midlife crisis when
I or my mid life spiritual awakening often call it,
you know, in the midst of a health crisis, marriage crisis,
and lawsuit crisis, is that it really turned all of
that self destructive stuff off in a remarkably amazing way.
(10:16):
And I wouldn't wish that upon anybody. But I also
wouldn't change it for anything either, you know, because it
was hard.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
To go through.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
But like my life just turned upside down enough that
I would say that my circuits re set themselves around that,
you know, and certainly there and I had all the
reasons in the world to live. I've got amazing children
and an amazing husband. And it was like, but when
you're well, and I'll say, like, I really probably needed
(10:47):
my life shaken up, you know, to because I would
still be doing something much more traditional or being or
keeping my the more metaphysical or more spiritual part of
my practice more secret that I do now like it really,
you know, I probably needed the universe to smack me
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upside the head.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
So wow, it sounds like the universe didn't smack you
up the side ahead you had marital and health issues and.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
It's almost like your mind and your body just said
I can't take it anymore. I've got to do something different.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Absolutely, And it was also very clear that the universe
and I had a professional lawsuit against me too, And
so then I was like, oh, well, what am I
If I'm not doing this with my life, what am
I gonna do? I have to figure something else out
if I lose my license over this, which I didn't,
and it ultimately got dropped. It was a very nonsensical situation,
but you don't really know how those things are going
to go once they get formally filed.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, And you know, the fact that you weren't allowed
to speak your mind when you were a child.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I mean, doesn't that make you think how many children.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Throughout all of history have had trauma and issues because
of that? Because it's always been said children should be
seen and not heard throughout all of history.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Practically absolutely, And I think that I you know, I
think no matter how old you are, when you you know,
one of I will say, one of my gifts, I
think really professionally is to be able to see things,
like to be able to kind of have a sixty
thousand foot view over things, you know, and that's you know,
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certainly my work kind of body of work has this
very high level perspective connecting a lot of dots underneath it,
and I think I probably always had some amount of
altitude over that, you know, and seeing my you know,
my parents are very good people, they you know, but
we all come with our trauma, and you know, generationally,
they just didn't get help with it in the way
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that we you know, people would get help with it
necessarily nowadays. Yeah, and it you know, and just seeing
some of the absurdity of the behavior, I think I
just always felt really aware of that and there's probably
I think one of the hardest things for anybody is
kind of feeling like the only sane person in the asylum,
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like seeing like what everybody else is doing and being like, I,
you know, like why can't you just do it differently?
Or what is this that's driving this kind of behavior?
And I totally like now as an adult, I really
understand it the behavior of my parents just through the
lens of trauma, you know, in their life experiences, you know,
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and so you know, we're all doing the best you
know we can. And my children will probably end up
in therapy someday too talking about me all. But I
definitely but we certainly had much more open conversations about
how they were feeling and whatnot, because I didn't get
the chance to do that. When I expressed how I
was feeling, the answer was, no, that's not true.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Well, and you know, feeling like the only sane person
in the asylum looking at what's going on in the world.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I guess we kind of are an asylum.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
We're all kind of there, right There's like the it
is really absurd right now for sure, and I think
that you know, like maybe the like the collective is
sort of getting smacked upside the head, you know, not
in the way that any of us want it, but
we're certainly the veil of politics has been pulled to
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the side, you know, like we're certainly seeing all the
corruption and plain sight.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I live in New Orleans, and people here often I've
lived here for about sixteen years, but people that have
lived here even longer always say there's corruption everywhere. They
just don't hide it in New Orleans. And now I
feel like we're not hiding it at any level anymore.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
A lot of veils are being pull aside these days.
But you know, let's let's go back your main career.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You started as a physical therapist, right, and you're you're still.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Practicing, absolutely, I'm still yeah, I'm still licensed, and I've
got a few I started in athletic training first, actually,
and then I went to physical therapy school, you know,
and later on got my board specially certification in orthopedics.
But yes, so I am all but yes, I practice
as a physical therapist in Louisiana and Tennessee for that.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Okay, But so you're a physical therapist, but now you're
known as a neuro theologist and as the time whisperer
and the body whisperer to this, what.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
Is it like? Well, I thought the.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
My physical therapy patients have always called me the body
whisper because I just have this very gentle set of
techniques that I come out of a body was learned
very early and after graduating.
Speaker 7 (15:54):
From PT school.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
A series of techniques under the mbry of what's called
strain counter strain, and that's basically where you take a
structure and put it on slack and hold it there
so that the neurological mechanism that's keeping it tight can
reset itself. And that worked very well for me earlier
in my early in my career because I have silly
flexible fingers and had a lot of finger tennanitis in
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the first couple of years of practicing. I can't do
like I would never make it as a massage therapist
or you know, doing more direct soft tissue stuff. I
always had to use my knuckles or my elbow with
patients because I just my my fingers. I don't have
the stability and my fingers to do it. And so
I learned these very very gentle techniques and so people
were always just a little amazed that you know, they
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felt like they were getting a laying on of hands,
and then they'd get up and get better and feel
better than they did the But what I found over
the years is in introducing myself as a physical therapist,
that everybody was always like, you know, they wanted me
to help. They're like, oh, well, my shoulder hurts, what's happening?
You know, they give me all those more conventional questions.
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But it always felt like my like that box was
never big enough to hold my skill like my skill
set and really what I was doing. And and you know,
through the experience that you alluded to in my introduction,
working with somebody who was in had a suicide planned
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for that evening, it's very easy for me to look
back on that and say that, and you know, understanding
the science of how our bodies inform our brains, our
brains are eighty percent input, they're only twenty percent output.
And so and his body was functionally in a rigor mortis,
(17:44):
like his body was so restricted in so many ways
that it was telling his brain it was dead. And
then so he had a behavioral drive then to match
that on the outside. Like as above, so below I
think is really the only role we ever truly follow.
And and the other way to say that is that
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time had stopped in his body. But I've always really
straddled this line between the science and the and the spirituality.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
And you know, like.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Sometime in the nineties I read Anatomy of the spirit
by Caroline Mason really and that puts and that I
was like, oh, now all of my chronic pain patients
made sense. And so I would ask them questions. So,
you know, if I had somebody with chronic knee pain,
I would ask them about their relationship with their tribe,
or like, hey, what's your social life, like, you know,
and just kind of start to peel away some of
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those layers or and and it was always just incredibly
helpful and insightful, insightful they'd start talking about it, and
you know, or I could make a little like hey,
you know, like just like, well, maybe you need a
little more social support in your life too to.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Help this along and the.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
H And anyway, fast forward many years when I Andrew
Nuberg is a physician researcher at Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia,
and when I heard him do a presentation on the
field of neurotheology. It took my breath away because I
was like, oh, I think I've been doing this my
entire life. Yeah, I mean, my clinical expertise was always
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treating the vegus nerve as a pinch nerve in the body.
But I love and have always been passionate about the
spiritual underpinnings of physical dysfunction. You know that, really, why
did this happen in the first place, Because it's never
just or it never felt me like things just happened
for no reason. And especially in chronic pain, you know,
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sometimes we fall or have an accident, and that seems
you know, that's a more obvious.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Though.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
I think there are spiritual underpinnings to those kinds of
events too. But when we get autoimmune diseases, when we
get you know, have you know, like like I've had
a lot of foot pain, my mother's had a lot
of foot pain, my grandmother had a lot of foot issues,
you know that, like you get these generational things like
it always was obvious to me that there was more
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than just what was happening in the moment attached to
these things. And in the midst of my midlife crisis,
I turned to astrology, okay, and to figure it because
my life wasn't making sense. And I actually got a
referral to an astrologer from the dean of a local university.
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So it came very from a really grounded human being,
you know, at the time, And I didn't I never
really dismissed astrology, but I I just didn't really know
that much about it at the time. And what and
I had been in this space because this was all
in the midst of everything where I had been.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
I had done some reading.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
And understood that mythology was a way of talking about
scientific things like, for exams ample, the ancient myth of
Isis and Osiris is the story of the Earth's processional cycle.
They just told it in story form so that people
would remember it, because we're all wired for story, not
for facts.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
And then when so then when?
Speaker 5 (21:17):
And I have this favorite picture of the ventricles of
the brain that makes cerebral spinal fluid. It's an MRI image,
and I've showed it to patients for years and years
and years because I think it's so cool. And the
first time I showed it to somebody after I had
been studying astrology for myself, it hit me. I was like,
oh my, this looks just like the ramshorns that represent
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aries and an astrology aries rules the head.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
And I was.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Instantly like, oh, where is the rest of it? And
it is all there, hidden in plain sight, in the
order of the zodiac head to toe. We are made
in the image of the zodiac, you know, when I
think about being made in the image of God and
where those lines might have come from, we all have
two much light pollution now to even realize what we're missing,
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but it is it.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
But these.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Myths that go with astrology are allegories for anatomy and physiology,
for like our underlying function, just like the myth of
Isis and Osirius is a an allegory for the Earth's
processional cycle. And so I took this and like, uh,
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you know, a lot of this was kind of like
a big download of information. It's hard to describe other
way otherwise, But between matching the archetypes of the zodiac
and and and even within the Bible, as well as
angles that go with within the body that go that
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match angle like the axial tilt of the Earth and
the angle between the pole stars that the Earth orients
towards you know, I like, these are all like my
biomechanical knowledge just lit up. I was like, I know
where all of that is in the body, and so
I created a form of It's easy to call it
energy medicine. I think it's it's also rooted in real science.
(23:19):
But I have a technique I call electrofascial release, and
I use that to treat people both in person and remotely,
to really line their nervous systems up to the solar system.
And there's extraordinary research about how uh, solar and space
weather influences our body through the vagus nerve. And so
I know I've taken you on a wild ride already,
(23:39):
but this is but we are already like but we
are wired, you know, we are connected so like on
such a big scale.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
You know.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Then then we realize and that like the you know,
are the subconscious parts of our brain. Uh, you know,
especially the cerebellum has the same mass as the cosmic web.
And so if there was going to be a mechanism
through which the planets influenced us.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Uh, you know, we we have that in our in
our brain.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You know, everything that that you just said is evidence
that everything is connected and in so many ways. I mean,
so neuro theology is science meeting spirituality, and it's not
something that you invented.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
It has been around for a while.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Oh I know, I think it's it's absolutely I did
not invent it. I just yeah, I just I I
I am expanding it in my own you know, in
my own direction that there's amazing science about how spirituality
affects our brain. And very honestly, the research overwhelmingly says
that nothing, no other intervention or medication comes close to
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spirituality when it comes to mental health.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
It's incredibly protective.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Especially for young people that are spiritual, whereas religion. So
the research differentiates between spirituality and religion, and that's how
they've really been able to look at this. You know,
spirituality is basically your relationship with your inner authority, like
what feels you know, like in you, whereas our religion
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is your relationship with outer authority. Yeah, and so when
like if your mother was spiritual with or without being religious,
you are eighty percent protected against depression.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
For example.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Like they're like, there's just incredible statistics on how.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
Valuable it is.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
And for people in blue zones, spiritual, their spiritual The
spirituality component of that they've studied increases lifespan between four
and fourteen years.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Very interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Well, you know, we have to talk about this because
we need to find out about the vegas nerve. You
like in the vegas nerve too, the pendulum pendulum of
a somatic clock, stress and trauma diminishing its function gratitude
and pleasure.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
And enhance it. Can you explain what the.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Vegas nerve is and why does it play such an
important role in our life?
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Absolutely? Well, your vegas nerve is important one just because
of how incredibly big it is. It starts in your
brainstem and goes all the way down into the pelvis.
In women, it innervates your cervix. It goes to your
heart first and then loops back up to innervate vocal cords.
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So I like to think of it as the nerve
that allows us to speak our hearts. It is in
almost all of your organs. It is not in your
adrenal glands because they're more because they're involved in the
opposite effect of your vegus nerve. But it it innervates
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the muscles of our digestive system, so it helps us
move food through our digestive systems. Our vegus nerve helps
us absorb water and nutrients. We are unable to absorb
vitamin B twelve without it.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
And we all.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Well, we all know when our vegus nerve is not
working well because if you've ever had a stage fright
kind of response, which is, you know, a very relatable
experience for a lot of people that when you get
that lump in your throat and your palms are sweating
and your heart's racing and your stomach is churning, that
all happens because your vegus nerve got dialed down and
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your fight and flight system got dialed up. So your
vegus nerve is really your grace under pressure. It's your
rest and digest and it is this.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
Pendul between.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Between being calm, you know, between that grace under pressure,
between that calm, between bliss and between freeze. You know
that it goes it depending on how whether like the
front the part of our vegaus nerve that's more towards
the front side of the body is more of that
feeling good, rest and digest stuff. Our freeze responses are
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mediated a little bit more by our right vegus nerve
that goes towards the back side of the body, and
so it's always.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
Your vegus nerve.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
How well it works really determines not just how how
calm under pressure, how zend out you can be in
your life, but it also predicts how like vegas nerve
function predicts longevity with pancreatic cancer, So the better you're
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vegas nerve functions with a pancreatic cancer diagnosis, the longer
you will live.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
One of them.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
As a physical therapist, I always really loved treating the
vegas nerve as a pinch nerve and treating those open
you know, the these specific anatomical thresholds where it can
really get seems to get caught more easily because it
reduces inflammation. So people that just weren't getting better for
other reasons they would like I like. I can remember
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once having a bunch of middle aged ladies who were
probably my age with knee pain, and the magic technique
that I had always used for that wasn't didn't seem
like it was working all of a sudden, and so
I remember reevaluating them all and treating their vagus nerve
at the base of their skull and when I decompressed
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the vegas nerve at the base of their skull, their
knees started getting better. And your vegus nerve you also
uses the same ner transmitter that your muscles do. So
you get these really beautiful systemic changes in muscle tone and.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
Ability to move.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Like for example, when I evaluate somebody, I look at
their big toe mobility, like I have a special test
for that to tell me if it's moving correctly or not.
I'll you know, look at their ankle flexibility. I'll check
where their tibbian fibula meat together next to their knees.
So I'm looking at a lot of like really fine
joint mechanics.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
And when those when that.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Those lower body those little lower body joints are really tight,
I know their vegas nervous compressed at the base of
their skull. And so if I go do the technique
at the base of their skull, they like their feet
are looser after I do it, And so you get
because you get these really.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
Beautiful systemic tone changes.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
You know, it just normalizes out all the all the biomechanics,
and so it gives people better shock absorption for sure.
And I think, or I find that just observationally. If
you don't have mechanical shock absorption, you don't have emotional
or spiritual shock absorption either. People you know, I would
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say people that have more that are somewhat more rigid
in their beliefs can be much more rigid in their
bodies too.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Interesting, So you can actually as a physical therapist, access
the vagus nerve at the base of the skull by
putting pressure compressing there.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
There's yeah, there's a few different ways to do it.
And so it exits through what's called your jugular framemen,
and you have one on the right and one on
the left, and the jugular framing on each side is
about twenty three and a half degrees up from the
center of the frame and magnum where your spinal cord exits,
so it matches the axial tilt of the earth and
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so like for people listening right now, the easiest way
to start to access that, to decompress your vegus nerve
at the base of your skull would be to take
that tab on the front of your ear called the tregis.
But it's the part that like, if you didn't want
to hear me, that you would push over your ear holes,
but to grab it between your thumb and forefinger on
each side and just really gently pull the right one
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to the right and the left one to the left,
just like you'd be unwrapping a piece of taffy, your
bubble gum, old fashioned bubblegum now, and that starts to
your vegaserf it comes out between your temporal bone and
your occipital bone. That's just grabbing your tregus and pulling
is an easy way to access to kind of grab
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onto your your temporal bone and start to stretch it
away from the occiple to bone.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
There are.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
But you can, you know, very often I have people
like even with that, like you could check your neck motion,
see how your neck feels to move beforehand, and do
that stretch for maybe thirty seconds or a minute and repeat,
and very often your neck will.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
Be looser, a little bit looser after that. But they are.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
But from a hands on perspective, there's there's a much
longer answer that I won't delve into right now, probably, but.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
It seems to me when I read that trauma can
affect the vegas nerve.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Right absolutely absolutely, trauma definitely dials down your vegas nerve
but what trauma also does. I would say that the
reason that dials down your vegas nerve is because because
of how trauma mechanically affects the body. For example, nobody
experiences stress or trauma and walks down the street with
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really great arm swing. Oh you know, we all bring
our arms in close. We stop rotating. Rotation is the
first thing that we give up. And rotation mechanically is
on the horizontal plane in the body, on the transverse plane.
And so where we have horizontal anatomy like the base
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of our skull, our vocal cords, our collar bones, our diaphragm,
our pelvic floor, our areas that the vagus nerve will
get more is more likely to get pinched. Those horizontal
anatomical areas sees up in trauma.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
I'm gonna have to practice my arm swing.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
So well, the most important thing about arm swing is
it doesn't really come from your arms.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
It comes from the momentum of your gate.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
So yeah, wow, interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
We're talking to Melanie Weller, a physical therapist or neuro
theologists and also a body whisper. But I would really
like to find out about what are your thoughts on
time itself?
Speaker 7 (34:47):
Time? I think that with time.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
I think we're all kind of like fish that.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
Don't know the water exists.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
I think we're swimming in time and we're so close
to it that we really don't know it is exactly
it is. I mean, I understand a lot of the
physics around it and the science around it. But what's
really interesting to me is that the common thread between
mental health diagnoses, neurological diagnoses, and orthopedic diagnoses is time
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perception and processing. And for all the zodiac, you know,
the astrology that I've talked about so far, even if
you don't believe in astrology, the zodiac is a clock, yeah,
and we are made in the image of that great clock.
So our bodies are clocks. So like we're moving through
time and time is moving through us. And the same
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parts of the brain that you would rehabilitate for trauma
are also very involved in time perception and processing, you know,
So trauma really alters your ability to perceive an inte
great time. So like in the research, you know they'll
do certain tasks, and you know, people with different diagnoses
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will over underestimate time or underestimate time, for example. But
when you organize time perception and processing in the nervous system.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
Then you.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Then life gets more organized for you. You tend to
like you have less pain, you have less fewer triggers,
your behavior is easier to change.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
It's interesting talking to so many guests over the years,
and I'll admit I've been really fortunate. I've really basically
been pretty trauma free my entire life, and I'm so
blessed and grateful for that. But how many people experience trauma.
I mean, even you as a youngster, you experienced trauma
(36:50):
from people silencing you.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Oh right, I mean, trauma is definitely the norm. And
I think and I really value my own traumatic experiences
as ways as guardrails that really kept me on my
life path to get here right now, Like you know,
like and I know that like it like that doesn't
happen instantly, you know, and certainly.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
You know, I think the thing that.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
You know, it can be more challenging when you have
one giant episode of trauma than when you have like
more little episodes or it's different, but your nervous system
really doesn't, you know, see the difference if you hit
your thumb with a hammer really hard.
Speaker 7 (37:38):
And you need to go to the emergency room.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
To get stitches in a cast and all that kind
of stuff. Your thumb has clearly had a big trauma.
But if you tap on your thumb one hundred thousand
times a day or you know, a million times a
week or whatever, you're going to have a really.
Speaker 7 (37:54):
Inflamed thumb too.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
And so we, you know, as humans, I find people
really like to, you know, we like to rank these
traumas like this one is worse than this, you know,
than that one, or my trauma is worse than yours,
or not as bad or whatever, and your nervous system
does not care. You know, the the trauma is trauma.
Speaker 7 (38:20):
And sometimes.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
You know, things that are relatively little, you know, for
a system that's been hyper vigilant for a long long time,
you know, an event that seems very minor, like spilling
milk might really set them over the edge versus like
somebody that's had a bigger trauma but.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
Maybe not as much in between. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, that's that's interesting because trauma builds up simply like stress.
And when you have stress or trauma build one on
the other, it creates blockages within your body, energy blockages.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
It's really just about contrasts, because contrast is the language
of the nervous system, and neurons fire. They don't there's
no one between. They work on an all or nothing role.
And you wouldn't go to a movie, read a book,
see a play, watch a TV show in a rave
about it to your friends if it didn't have enough
contrast in it, because it would be boring, and your
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nervous system will not let you live a dull story,
like you're in the middle of this incredible epic story
where you are the star and you're and we are
more afraid of being bored than anything else.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Well, you know, just going back for a moment on
the subject of time, teachings such as a course in
miracles and Hinduism say that time is not real and
then it's just an illusion of the ego to keep
us thinking that everything is separate in the out of unity,
conscious of all ideas.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
I don't think that, like, I understand that perspective, but
I think, but we all work on these, you know, time.
I think like, especially when I think about this age
of artificial intelligence, you know, and think, well, what is
our real intelligence. I think historically, our real intelligence has
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always been our relationship with time, and how the moon
tells the time of the month, and the sun tells
the time of the year, and the equinoxes and solstices
tell the seasons, and we all you know, when you
(40:47):
really look at astrology and you know, and I've had
the opportunity to delve in not just a Western astrology,
but into Vedic astrology and looking at you know, and
even a little bit into the Arabic system and seeing
you know, how different cultures are these different ways.
Speaker 7 (41:02):
To interpret it, that are.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
You know, very often like our cycles of illness are
deeply programmed into us, and you know, and that our karma,
you know, what we're working out is really all about time,
you know. And our belief systems were you know, regardless
(41:26):
of what they what they are, whether you're an atheist
and you believe not everything stops when we die, or
if you believe in eternal life. You know, it's like
spirituality and religion is all I will say, Especially religion
is all about.
Speaker 7 (41:43):
Your relationship with time, you know.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Like in I deal with a lot of people with
a lot of religious trauma whose family members like especially
parents will not talk to them because they're not towing
the party line anymore. And their parents think they're going
to spend eternity in hell because they stayed in communication
with their children, you know, and so driving it's driving
(42:07):
how they spend their time now.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
And so.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
I think time is much more than a construct. I
think it's really this framework on like through which we all,
like all of our behavior and all of our you know,
when we think we've created a lot of success, you
don't do that without having a really great zodiacal signature
or shifting cycles zodiacally. That all of this really drives
(42:37):
our behavior and our our successes, our failures, our challenges,
you know, even you know, having loved ones come into
our lives, you know, and even losing some of the
people we love the most.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
You know.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
It's really fascinating how that all ends up being kind
of tied to our own personal clocks.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Well, and you know, I myself, I adhere to that
spiritual teaching that time is an illusion. But here we are,
within this body, within this three D world, and we
are caught in the web of time, the construct, and
there's no getting around it.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
But I think that you can adhere to.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
The belief that time is an illusion, but you still
have to live your life within this and absolutely right, Yeah,
but you do that in the best way possible and
the healthiest and the most loving and kind way possible.
So yeah, here in his body, there is time, and
we have to live.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Yeah, I mean, certainly being earth bound, I think time
is just a requisite thing, like outside of our solar system.
Maybe maybe not as much better or in the ethereal realms,
but but yeah, we all have to and I think
you know, stories for example, or how we organize time
(44:04):
in our lives, and so we're all just trying to
make sense, you know, to organize these stories of our
lives in the most productive way that we you know,
and happiest way that we can.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, there's a reason I have a watch on my wrist, right,
I have to deal with a constructive time.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Another favorite quote of mine from a course in Miracles
is all thought produces form on some level. Now, this
seems to be perfectly aligne with that our thoughts create
our reality.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 7 (44:39):
Oh? Absolutely, when you get the.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
I mean, I would say, and especially when you are
more well, because thoughts are especially if you're going to
think about your goals and aspirations for example, as thoughts
or something that you're desiring, you know, trying to manifest
as a thought that you're trying to bring that reality
(45:08):
through time, you know, to kind of pull it from
that ethereal time like into you're trying to bring that
into real time. And so I absolutely think that, and
I think that if you're the more organized your time
perception and processing is the better you are at manifesting.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Yeah, I think, yeah, I think I think so too.
You know, I talk to many people and I say,
you know, everything's energy. Your thoughts are real energy.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
And you know, just because we can't they're in a
spectrum of light, we can't see it. If we could
see our thoughts, we'd see these little you.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
Know, the time absolutely well, and you can't have a
different thought or it can be really challenging. And until
you really change your body, you have to change the
way your body's informing your brain. When you decompress your
vegas nerve, for example, when you get you know and
do different somatic techniques. But I would say especially vegas
(46:10):
nerve decompression, it opens up the ability for you to
have different thoughts, like the LA's why somebody can go
from having their suicide planned or ideating about it heavily
to wanting to live and being able to really move
forward and have a different perspective on life and completely
(46:31):
you know that one experience for that patient, you know,
it completely changed the way that he thought in that moment.
And I've seen that over and over and over with people.
Your body is informing your brain and if you want
a different way of thinking or that, something about your
body has to change. That information has to be able
to flow more freely. Often I find that my vegus
(46:57):
nerve system aligns very well with the Chinese medicine concept
of Chi flow.
Speaker 7 (47:04):
And it's like if the cheek, you.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
Know, if you can't move it up through your body
to your brain, you can't get out of illness mindset,
you can't get out of lack mindset or whatever. You know,
Like you've got to be able to move it all
the way up.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, that analogy and she in the vagus nerves makes
real sense to me.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Yeah, that's that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
You you have your own podcast called Fearless Presence, But
I do what exactly is fearless presence to you.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
To me, fearless presence is bringing together science and spirituality,
like your expertise and your intuition, that it's bringing together
these so that you're really showing up fully. You know,
Medically we all get trained to really compartmentalize, you know,
and a lot of people do you know, you can
(47:57):
show up to work with your work hat on. You
don't bring your personal life to work. And I get that.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
You know.
Speaker 5 (48:03):
It's like when especially when you're working with other people,
it's not all about you but the you know, but
those those intuitive hunches in those you know, when I
showed up for this person in that story, what really,
uh you know, I brought did all my best technical
work and I really I gave him a mediumship reading
(48:28):
that surprised even me at how accurate it was and
specific and uh you know, and you know channeled him
a message from that person and it was really, Uh,
it was a beautiful experience where like I showed up
fully and when I brought those two pieces of myself
(48:49):
that I had really kept separate, or had really kept
at least uh, you know, kept my intuition a little
bit more secret and ANSD around that topic with people.
I just showed up fully with it, and you know,
in a situation that doesn't even really fall in my
(49:12):
professional expertise, was ninety resolved in ninety minutes.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
So you have a mediumship abilities your ear you're able
to be do you know?
Speaker 5 (49:25):
I don't advertise that, but but when it comes, you know,
like in the moment, you know, it's a very intimate
experience to have your hand on somebody's body and even
to have your hand like to hold somebody's heart, or
to hold somebody's kidneys, or to you know, like to
be like, you know, energetically so deep in their you know,
in their bodies and the you know, and my I
(49:50):
recognize that my ability to like for the energy medicine
that I do, or when I I've always been very
good at like seeing metaphor in the body or you
having an image of what's happening. And that's the same
muscle as the mediumship muscle. I don't I don't do
too much in the way of mediumship these days so much,
(50:14):
but it's the same. But like it's just the spectrum,
you know. I just choose kind of not to I
choose the direction to use my my intuition and really
being able to kind of see those that zodiac in
the body and really feel for it as part of that.
But I find that it's also I've taught other people
(50:34):
how to do it, and it's very like anything. I mean,
I think mediumship is a skill that we all have
and that we can all develop that.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
Wow, this is very cool.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
We're discovering new abilities of Melanie well Ers. We're going
to kind of wind down here a little bit just quickly,
if you could. I was reading one of your recent
blogs in which you state that there is a missing
link in healing.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
What is that missing link?
Speaker 5 (51:00):
Oh, it's it's hand down, hands down time that we're not.
I don't think we need to be trauma informed. I
think we need to be time informed. And so I've
branded my system like we really don't have trauma. We
have time stamps, you know, of good things and bad
things in the body, you know, and hard things, but
like our nervous of who we get time stamped.
Speaker 7 (51:22):
And there's certainly the neurological piece of it.
Speaker 5 (51:25):
There is a uh like a geometric and geographical part
of you know, like there's like the location energy. The
location is part of that time stamp. It affects the
geometry of your body, and then there's the mythological part
of it or like the story this archetype, you know
(51:46):
how the what the archetypal.
Speaker 7 (51:49):
Aspect of it is.
Speaker 5 (51:51):
And so when you can really address the entire time stamp,
it dissolves trauma.
Speaker 7 (52:03):
I find much much faster.
Speaker 5 (52:05):
And we will never sell trauma inform care to the
whole world because not everybody wants to do it, but
people would like to have a different relationship with their time.
They might want more playtime, more me time, more family time,
more prayer time, more wellness time, or whatever, you know,
and you can really assign that you can break that
(52:29):
down very clinically throughout the body to be able to
help them get that.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Well, this is everything you've been talking about to a
lot of it is new to me and it's just
opening my mind to so many new things that.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
I hadn't really considered.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
And I think if people go to your website Melanieweller
dot com, they would find out more. And I saw
that you do many beautiful things like retreats, You have
a forty day challenge coming, and you even offer a
zodiac in Vegas or workbook, right, I.
Speaker 5 (53:02):
Do, I do, And the forty day Challenge in the
Zodiac and the Vegas Neeworkbook are all free. It's a
great way to kind of dip your toe into all
of this. And I do have a retreat next month
in July of twenty twenty five in Nashville, Okay area,
and another one in the south of France at the
(53:24):
end of September. So if anyone's interested in that, I'm
easy to find reach out.
Speaker 4 (53:28):
Yeah, that sounds like a wonderful stuff.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
And so the best way for people to connect with
you is go to your website Melanieweller dot com.
Speaker 5 (53:38):
Yes, yep, absolutely, that's definitely the best way you can
find it. You can also find me on Instagram at
embody your star, oh in.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Bonnie, Okay, I'll put those links in the show notes
and just amazing stuff again. And oh, by the way,
don't forget you know, there is this beautiful website called substack.
I do a blog on there, but Melanie, he's got
some beautiful blogs on there. Go to subsec and look
her up. I really enjoyed reading your blogs.
Speaker 5 (54:07):
Thank you, thank you so much, Carl and for my
paid subsect subscribers. I've I do a monthly energy healing
and I do healing demonstrations because that feels that's one
of my I like being able to take one person
and help change a group of people, and so it
gives me a chance to really exercise that that muscle.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
That is very cool.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
So we've been speaking to the time whisper and a
body Melanie.
Speaker 4 (54:34):
Wellener, Melanie, thank you so much for what you do
for the world and for the people here.
Speaker 5 (54:40):
Oh well, thank you, Carl, and thank you for giving
giving me a platform to share my voice. I know
that I always heal a little bit more every time
I get to I get to speak my truth.
Speaker 7 (54:49):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
This has been another episode of World Awakenings, the Fast
Track to Enlightenment with host Carl Gruber, a certified Law
of Attraction life coach. We welcome you to tune in
to each and every episode of World Awakenings as we
open your mind, your heart, and your eyes to the
fact that the world's population is now more than ever
(55:28):
awakening to the truth of all things spiritual, metaphysical, and
enlightening and just how much they play an all important
role in our moment to moment daily life. Much love
and light to you, my friend, and thank you for
tuning into world awakenings.
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