June 30, 2025 • 56 mins
Show #211 of World Awakenings: The Fast Track to Enlightenment meets Baba Sam Shelly. His life journey is a testament to resilience, earning him the name "The Miracle Man". He faced significant challenges during his life, starting with a severe accident at age six and going through school with undiagnosed bipolar disorder. Later, he lost the ability to walk due to multiple sclerosis and dealt with migraines, psoriasis, and psoriatic arthritis. Despite four decades of illness and disability, he ultimately achieved spiritual realization and restored own health. Meditation provided a pivotal and profound self-discovery when he realized he was not his thoughts or identity. He then inquired, "Who am I?" and heard a voice reminding him of his divine essence that he is Perfect Spirit. This epiphany transformed his life and became the cornerstone of his mission to aid others and teach them that miracles are not extraordinary occurrences but natural, and everyday unfolding events. Baba Sam is the author of the book, “I Don’t Dwell”, and is the host of the popular podcast, “Vibrant Soul Society: The Conversations".
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To find out more about Baba Sam Shelley, just go to his website https://www.beyondheadtrash.com/
Make sure to check out Baba Sam's popular podcast, Vibrant Soul Society: The Conversations
You can now watch World Awakenings & many other like-minded shows on the brand-new TV network, New Reality TV Just click this link to learn more!
To find out more about Baba Sam Shelley, just go to his website https://www.beyondheadtrash.com/
Make sure to check out Baba Sam's popular podcast, Vibrant Soul Society: The Conversations
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is World Awakenings, the Fast Track to Enlightenment with
your host, Carl Gruber. World Awakenings is a podcast dedicated
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So join Carl on this enlightening experience as he interviews
metaphysical and spiritual experts to discuss, debate, and delve deeply
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Speaker 2 (01:08):
Hey, it's time for episode number two eleven of World Awakening.
It's a fast Track to Enlightenment. I am your host,
Carl Ruber. Now, if you're seeking your higher self and
trying to see, feel, and hear beyond all the junken
distractions our world throws at us, then you are in
the right place. We seek the answer to the question why,
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now more than ever, are the people of the world
awakening to all things spiritual, metaphysical and enlightening. So welcome
to the show. And by the way, not only can
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Screen or click the link listed below in the show,
all right, let's head off to meet our guests today,
and our guest is Baba Sam Shelley, and his life
journey is a testament to resilience, earning him the name
the miracle Man. He faced significant challenges during his life,
starting with a severe accident at the age of six
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and going through school with undiagnosed bipolar disorder. Later, he
lost the ability to walk due to multiple sclerosis and
dealt with migraines ziiasin siiatica arthritis. Jeez, that's crazy. Despite
four decades of illness and disability, he ultimately achieved spiritual
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realization and restored his own health. Meditation provided a pivotal
and profound self discovery when he realized he was not
his thoughts or identity. He then inquired who am I
and heard a voice reminding him of his divine essence,
that is perfect spirit. The epiphany transformed his life and
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became the cornerstone of his mission to aid others and
teach them that miracles are not extraordinary occurrences, but natural
and every day unfolding events, which I love because we
know there is no order of difficulty in miracles. Boba
Sam is the author of the book I Don't Dwell
and is the host of the popular podcast Beyond the
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Head Trash, which is also the name of his website.
All very cool, and I am so fascinated in you,
Boba Sam.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Do you prefer being called Boba Sam? Or can I
just call you Sam?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Whatever you feel? Coupled with Carl, it's a real pleasure
to be here today.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
All right, very cool? My gosh, your story just blows
my mind. I mean, it's amazing. And you know, let's
go the incredible story of you having lived a long
time with debiliting health, debilitating health issues and injuries, and
going on to release and heal yourself from all of it.
I suppose the best way is go back to the
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beginning of your life's journey so people can understand how
you now came to be a full time spiritual teacher,
coach and healer.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah. So when I look back in my life, it
really seems surreal, seems like I live two different lives,
one filled with pain and suffering and one free. And
that's what we really want to do with that spiritual awakening,
is the liberator felt to be free from all this
heaviness that we experience in our world. So, yeah, it
all began for me at eight to six when I
was hit by a van and nearly died from that.
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But they have shown, you know that from that injury,
I was in the hospital for a long time with
brain injuries, hip injuries. Hell though injuries nearly bled out
a lot of a lot of difficulties in there. And they
now know today that kids that experience early age head
trauma are more likely to be bipolar. They see that
correlation today, So that's where that came from. The bipolar
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was the correlation from the accident. But they didn't know that,
so they pretty much that wasn't treated. It was like,
all right, he's just a weird, moody kid, that thought,
but really strange issues. You know, when I would act
up in high school, it would get sent to the
principal's office. They usually just asked me if I was
smoking weed. I said no, When they sent me back
to class. That was my help. That was about it.
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There's no help coming from me in my teenage years.
There's a lot of stuffering and no help.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Wow. And so I read that you got hit by
a van when you were six years old, which is
weird because I got hit by a car when I
was six too. But I must say had a hard
head because I just got knocked out and bruised up.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Yeah. I nearly bled out from that accident. I what
do you remember that? It was the last day of
first grade. I went back to school for the fourth grade.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Tell us more. I mean, so this is when you're
a youngster, but then you become an adult and all
these other melodies hit you. If you could give us
a gist of that.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah. So, as like a SID as an undiagnose bipolar
going through school, early adulthood. Then it became suicidal in
my twenties. So I found got some help at that point.
But that point they just diagnosed me as depressive, and
they give me some medicines that you don't give to
a bipolar because they'll flip you Intumania. It was a
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real adventure with that. Then as a bipolar, I nearly
killed myself twice because I was taking these negative thoughts,
this head trash as my truth that was creating a
lot of problems. So it was just really just too
That's where I was going with this who I had
all this head trash, all these negative thoughts that nearly
took myself killed myself twice before because of that. But
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then I had all these autoimmune diseases coming up, like
pariasistoric arthritis, then eventually multiple scrosses. But I'm seeing people
with these autoimmune diseases always have an element of self government,
self criticism, so the body start to attack itself as
we get these autoimmune diseases. So I really just had
all these issues and all these problems, and there was
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really no help coming from me because all I knew
was doctors in medicine, doctor the medicine, and doctors and
medicines don't create curis. They treat symptoms and usually keep
things the same. So, you know, it was my world
and I had no concept of the spiritual realms. It
really wasn't part of my reality. So when it was
bipolar in my twenties in the hospital to just try
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to kill myself, I remember my evangelical uncle coming into
that room. You know, a pastor but evangelical was coming
to my room trying to cast the demons from my head,
so that sort of pushed me away from the religions.
Spirituality was like, I'm not possessed. I don't have demonto
my head, but I don't know how to describe it.
And even my psychiatrists wasn't awakened either, so he didn't
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ask me that question, why are your thoughts prove? Because
he too was identified with his thoughts, so he didn't
have that separation from his thoughts to who he really was.
And that's where it really shifted for May was, you know,
seeing that I had these thoughts, but I wasn't that thought,
but I had no constant to that of that time.
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So from age six to age forty four, I was
just in pain, suffering, taking thirteen medications, needed a caine,
a cooling vest. I just had all these issues and
I just heard, this is my lot in life, this
is what I'm stuck with. And just seeing the six
doctors at thirteen medications, my cooling vest to caine, it's
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just this miserable life. I thought, that's why I was
going to be living a miserable life like a lot
of people are living today. It was just a miserable life.
So we need to really increase this worldwide awakening to
let go of all this pain, all this suffering, because
it doesn't need to stick forever. It may, but it
doesn't need.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
To age six to forty four? Was that you dealt
with all of that? You were from what I read
I've been reading some of your book, I don't dwell.
I mean you were like a walking pharmacy with all
the medicines you were taking.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah, thirteen medications, clear a sixth doctors. I had all
these issues, so medicine so I didn't kill myself. Medicines,
the function from MS, medications for migraines, medicines for the
psoric arthritis, the cranes for the psoriasis. It was really
it was very expensive being sick.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So it's interesting, what was what was finally the turning point?
I mean, I mean, after all of that, I mean,
I'm amazed that you didn't kill yourself. You couldn't see
any way out and you have this this head trash
going on constantly, and what was the turning point? How
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did you figure find your way out of there?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
The way I found my way out was dealing with
multiple scrosies, you have a lot of fatigue. It's a
very draining type of disease. So at the end of
the day, I was the couch potato. I was hitting
in front of the TV and watch basically anything on TV.
And I used to watch ghost hunting show but I
know if they were real or fake. It's TV. So
I saw a tweet from a ghost hunter and Phelix like, hey,
(10:06):
I can go to this event. We can see if
these ghosts are real. So before, like I was pretty
much staying away from the spiritual realms and religion. But
it's being a cow potato and being curious watching ghost
hunting shows. But it's TV. I didn't know if it
was real or fake. Go on on, let's have that experience.
So I went on this ghost hunt. So I had
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my poling vest because ms are very heat sensitive or
anything about seventy degrees, my body would start to shut down.
I had my cane. So I went into this ghost
hunt in Fort Mifflin in Philadelphia, and I went to
the area called the Casemates. So I did my research
before I went there because I knew I had a
very short window to be there. August pooling vest maybe
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an hour seventy five minutes. That's all I could really
last with that. So I was sitting in the casemates,
pretty boring for most of it. But then I was
just sitting on this bench. Just sitting on the bench,
just looking around. Was kind of boring, was dark, not
much was really happening. Then I'm just sitting on the
bench and the somebody sat right next to me. It's like, okay,
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there's no one here, but there's somebody's sitting right next
to me. It's like you're sitting on a bench, you
know when somebody is sitting next to you. Feel I
feel like, okay, somebody sat next to me. Nobody sat
next to me. I just felt this overwhelming sent a
dread come over me, Like wow, that's interesting. So ghosts
are real. So then I had a few small, little
experiences at this event, but nothing really that big as
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a sitting next to me. But I was curious, Okay,
so ghost are reel? Well, who talks to ghosts? Oh medium,
let me go read a book from a medium because
they talked about this stuff. Mecause, let me go learn
more about this ghost world. So I started to read
a book from a medium, but they were always you know,
so they're reading this book from a medium. Then eventually
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they talked about meditation and then meditation. They describe the
benefits of meditation, and one of the benefits of meditation
was inner peace. I'm like, that's it. I need to
meditate because I need some enter piece. I was so
stressed out, so overwhelmed with life. I remember every day
I was waking up like, what else is going to
go wrong today? Because that's my reality. Everything was going wrong.
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And of course, if you're in a mindset what's going
to go wrong today, you're just inviting more problems. But
I wasn't aware of that that I was adding to
the head crash. So I'm sitting there, Okay, so I
need to meditate for inner peace. But this was really
just a page and a half on meditation wasn't much,
which I was so thankful for. Because my bipolar OCD
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brain the rules of meditation, I'd be like, oh, am,
I sitting right, and my breathing right is my posture right.
I've been going through the laundry list of meditation as
opposed to doing meditation. Being OCD, that's been a big
problem and gave me this direction. They basically said in
the book, you know, find a comfortable spot and relax.
Basically their instructions. There was no hand postures or anything
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like that. The quietly and relaxed. For some reason, I
got the impression that meditation means you stop thinking. So
what happens when I sit down on meditation The mind
starts thinking. So it's like stop thinking, mind thinking, stop thinking,
mind thinking, stop thinking. So after are three four days
of this, I'm like, wait a second, wait a second.
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If I'm aware of my thoughts, I'm not my thoughts.
This was a huge realization for me to see that
I have thoughts, but I'm not my thoughts. Because we
have to remember in the twenties I took my thoughts
as truth and nearly killed myself twice because of that.
So for me to have separation now like, wait a second,
I'm not my thoughts. So my next question was, well,
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if I'm not my thoughts, who am I? So now
I was sitting out of the question who am I?
So my initial meditation practice was five minutes to day.
That's all. I was sitting relaxing for five minutes. My
practice changed a little bit, so now when I realized
I had thought, but it wasn't my thoughts. So when
the mind started thinking, I wouldn't say stop thinking. I
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would come back to feeling my feet on the floor.
So mind thinking, come back to my feet. Mind thinking,
come back to my feet. So it was actually learning
to be present. I didn't know that's what I was
doing at that time, learning to be present. But then
I was sitting with that question, Okay, well who am I?
So after about two three weeks of sitting with this question,
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coming out of meditation in the evening, I just hear
a voice say, perfect spirit. I'm like, that's it. My
spirit is perfect. I'm not this damaged body and mind.
Then the best way I can describe it, I just
felt this great sense of peace come over me. Then
I just knew all as well, and I just knew
all my health challenges were over. I just knew after
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that day it was done. It was over. So then
I just was following those insights on recovering the body.
But before that, I had no concept that I could
be healed. I lived with it for so long, so
I was never trying to heal myself. It was an
impossible test for the mind. It's like if you have
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multiple scuroses, Oh hey, mine go you're multiple scroses. It
has no idea, Oh go, hey, mine go heal my grains.
I'm tired of that. The mind has no clue. I
can guess, oh we can try this, we can try this,
but doesn't really know. It guesses. The mind guesses. So
I was never trying to heal. I just follow my
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own insights. But over that day I was getting better
and better after each day of that. So just following
my insights. So that night I begun in tape for
my medicines, which I don't recommend to everyone, but I
just knew I just needed to start a taper off
my medicine. So I did that. Then shortly after hearing that,
I heard the voice or knowing I'm not I'm not
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quite sure what I did at that point that it
was time to do yoga. So the next day, after
getting that insight, I signed up for the monthly unlimited
class at the yoga studio. My mind with a complete protest,
you have no balance, you have no flexibility. Who are
you to do yoga? I ignored that voice and I
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just did yoga. Then what happened with yoga, no more
heat intolerant, no more caine. After six months, the body
was coming back online. And every day of this tapering
off this medicine, I was feeling better and better and better.
So each day over the next fourteen months, as were
going through this recovery process, I was feeling better and better.
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But I knew in that day that it was all over.
As you mentioned, you know you had the book back there,
Coursen Miracles. I love. My favorite quote is in there
is that there's no degree of difficulties with miracles, right right,
That is my favorite quote because it doesn't matter like
all these health elements, all these challenges, there's no degree
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that the miracles, they can have happened instantly if you
just relax and just trust that divinity within you.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, there is no order of difficulty in miracles. And
even in my intro for you, you mentioned that miracles unnatural,
and that is a statement and of course in miracles.
But I would like to go back for a moment.
You mentioned that when you started meditating, you realize that
you were aware of your thoughts, which made you realize
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that you weren't your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I mean if we explain that more.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Is that because you realize that you were observe an
observer on a different plane, looking down and seeing objectively.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah, it was just I just had that separation that, oh,
if I'm aware of my thoughts, I'm not my thoughts.
I just had that realization. But I didn't know I
was spared at that point. I just realized I wasn't
my thoughts. Was sitting with a question, well, I'm not
my thoughts. Well, then who am I? So I was
sitting there at that point, I didn't realize I was spirit, soul,
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whatever you wish to call it. I just knew I
wasn't my thoughts.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, very very interesting and I really like that quite
a bit. You know, we're going to talk more about that,
but for and I hope you don't mind. This is
kind of a personal question. But what I read from
your book, I don't dwell, and I've read about half
of it so far.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I'm going to keep doing that.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You were married the entire time of your your as
you're on your healthy journey in life, but you're not
so healthy either.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
You don't really talk about her.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
She must be a special woman to deal with all
that you were dealing with physically and mentally.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Yeah. So yeah, after shortly after that book, we laught.
The marriage ended because she was she was still she
was very unhealthy herself. So you're both commiserating with each other.
So we were both beating off of each other, you
could say, keeping each other sick.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Well after that, she was stolen this victim and holiday,
and I was I was liberated. I was great.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, that's yeah, that's rough.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, I could see well, and I hope you don't
mind me asking about that. I was just really curious
about that.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, So I didn't talk about the book because we're
just completely different planes.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So after years and years and years of seeking relief
via traditional medical treatments which didn't work and never work,
meditation turk turned out to be your path to peace
and perfect health. I'm really, you know, doing what I
do being in the show, the host of this show.
I'm I still I'm just kind of a trash meditation person.
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And I noticed your book has some instructions and and
I think I'm going to give a try to to
quiet that that monkey mind, that brain trash.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Yeah, So with the understand that we're either present or
we're in the mind. We can't be in both places.
So I was I was wasn't even realizing that when
the mind start to think of like come back my feet,
mind thinking come back to my feet, back to my feet,
back my feet. I was learning the power of now,
the power of being present. So that's what I see
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now that we're either in the mind distracted or we're
fully here. Realize we're sitting our feet or on the floor,
we're listening. You know, we are the one that sees
through the eye. We are that essence.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, boy, you know I strive to achieve that, and
I'm not giving up because gosh, if you can do it, man,
I think anyone can do it.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah. What I typically do repeal it when to deepen
their spiritual practice. I see what they're doing they don't
have then I have them stop everything. We get it
back down to one, two, three, four, five minutes, whatever
it may be. How long can you stay present? Yeah,
there's no need to sit in meditation for ten minutes.
If you're not staying present, you're just entertending the head trash.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I'm curious, has anybody ever said to you compared you
to doctor Joe Despenza who healed himself from a broken
back and being a quadripollegian.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah, I hear it quite a bit from I hear
comparisons to doctor Joe quite a bit, but there's there's
some big differences that I really don't like to engage
the mind. I really want to step out of the
mind with this deeper essence. So there's similarities there, and
I see, you know, the process doctor Joe used isn't
really what he's teaching today. He teaches it a little bit,
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but he has these other practices as well, and I
do that well, expand it a little bit. But I'm
still about returning you back to you. Because you inhabit
this body, you know what's best for you, but not
a mental knowing, this deeper knowing that come from this
deeper place that knows exactly what you need in this moment.
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Like I said, you'll get these insights. And to understand
that intuition is both internal and external, that the universe
is going to give you that information and if you're
not open to receive it internally, then it will come externally.
Just ondly find that book, that video, that person that's
giving you that answer, that you're seeking.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I think what you just said is got to be
encouraging to so many people, And unfortunately, I believe there's
way far more people than we realize. We were suffering
in a life just like you did, only I can't
see a way out at the moment right.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
People have to realize our diagnosis is not destiny. For me,
my diagnosis was my destiny. I'm incurable. I'm stuck with
this forever. But to realize destiny is not locked in
its fluid of our actions and our attitude and this
moment we just have to understand is to come back
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into this moment. And well, I do hear this a
lot from people that I'm sitting quietly, even practicing for years,
I can be really still and no information comes. I'm like,
then it's coming externally for you. You're getting an inkling
to do something because you're not open to receive it.
Otherwise you don't trust yourself, So it's coming to you
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another way. You're probably getting an inkling a good talk
to someone, go read a book, go watch the video.
It's coming to you in some way, and you're just
not noticing it because you're so focused on getting it
from within, but they know the spirit within you knows
that if you get the answer, you're not going to
trust yourself because ninety percent of the people don't trust themselves.
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So the INSIGHT's going to come and your mind's going
to come along in a highjacket. It's going to come
from a different source.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Boy, that is a real good point because I can
see sitting there and I've probably done this myself, sitting there,
you know, meditating, Well, nothing's happening, this doesn't work, and
you're exactly right. Yeah, the answer may be coming from
an external source rather than right.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
There because you don't trust yourself. So this beer is
giving you the information that'd be more open to receive. Oh,
doctor Joe said it. Boba Sam said that some other
person said it, So you can happen to it resonates
with you. But it came from you directly, like, ah,
that can't be it your mind saying ah, you're crazy,
that's not your answer. But you hear from someone else
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and it resonates like that's my answer.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah. Yeah, really really interesting stuff. So, Baba Sam, what
is the ego? Why is it so darn persistent in
keeping or thinking in such a negative disempowering dark place.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Well, it's like you're totally mentions. It calls the egos
like the pain body. It's this energetic body that we
have that at the negativity, the traumas, the difficulties of life.
It's really like this energetic body, like we are the
light itself. We could think of the ego, the pain
body as the darkness. Someone's like the ying yang symbol.
We have the white and the dark, and we're usually
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the darkest so large, so we've got to amplify the
light that drown out the dark. So it's just simply
like that the yin yang that the darkness is the mind,
the pain body, and we are the light itself, and
it's binding that balance to bring in more light to
dissolve that darkness.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Very good insight, Very good insight. As a matter of fact,
on your website you have a great quote from Ecker
Totally the remnants of pain left behind by every strong
negative emotion that is not fully faced, accepted and then
let go of joined together to form an energy field
that lives in the very cells of your body. The
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energy field of old but still very much alive emotion
that lives in practically every human being is the pain body.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
That is so weird to think that we have a
pain body.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Yeah, we did. That's why I have the graphic on
my website where you can actually see the graphic. You know,
when we're in the far left ward is completely dark
or completely con assumed by that pain body. What we're
trying to do with like the vibrant Vibrant Soul Society,
the Interhealo school is bringing more and more light. Were
balanced that white the light in the darkness, so we
can we can find that balance because the pain body
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is always going to be there to some degree, like
the Ying Yang symbol, there's always going to be an element.
But for many people there are ninety percent darkness and
ten percent light. Why not get the ninety percent flip
it around to ninety percent light and ten percent dark.
Because we realized we were in this human body, we
can look at all the crime and drama around us.
The mind's going to get pooked into a story and occasionally,
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so I don't think there's anybody that's living a pure
consciousness to live as one hundred percent life light. Because
we are in this human body and there is some challenges,
There is some difficulties, the mind's going to misbehave on
a cave or a lot of a cathan.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah. Well, throughout human history as we know it, there's
a couple enlightened beings Jesus and Buddha, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
You know too, pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Well, if we talk about the pain body, then we
must talk about the energy body too.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Can you speak to that?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Yeah, that we are the light that we are. If
you don't understand that you are the light, you have
to realize you're no longer wearing the toiler body, You're
no longer wearing a teenager body, You're no longer wearing
a young adult body. You have all these changing bodies,
but the one who sees the eyes has never changed.
That is who we are. That is ourliveness, our being,
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our essence. That is who we are. But we get
so attached to that I am this body, I am
these thoughts. Well, we're actually the energy that animates the body.
We are that spirit, the soul, whatever you wish to
call it. We are that that the aliveness, the pureness there,
and that is the real you. And this is connected
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to all that is so all the answers are there,
and you may not come, it may come outside of you.
That's what you're most open to receive it. But to
realize there's no mistakes. Every experience is helping you remember
who you are, and if you're not getting the message,
just reminding you just to slow down, to pause, to
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learn to respond as opposed to reacting. So just to
understand that we are the aliveness, that we don't need
to get hung up in all the energy, all the chakras.
So I had none of this through my my healing recovery.
My spiritual instruction was a page and a half and
everything else came from within. At that point, I wasn't
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reading spiritual books, I wasn't watching videos. It wasn't until
after my healing journey was over that I picked up
a book from Adya Chante, The End of Your World,
and I talked about everything that I want through quit Tea.
It was really the end of my world, my end
of my world of suffering. It was in that fourteen
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months my spiritual teacher was myself, So I'm connected to
all that is. I didn't have any this spiritual dogma
or knowledge. Looking really can become a problematic or a limitation.
Oh this chakras blocked this, chakras blocked and all these stories.
And do you really need to know that? Because trust
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what arises within you.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, so in that case, you know your external Uh.
The book was at an external event or thing that
helped you to awaken to the light too.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Right, was going let ghost tom being open to go
on a ghost hunt to see if it is real
or not, then being curious about it. I'm sure a
lot of people could have that experience, like, well that
was fun. Ghost hunt was a lot of fun, and
to see it as entertainment and let it be. But
I was curious that, like, oh ghost a real? Let
me go learn more about ghosts?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah? Wow, what that's Yeah? Whatever works are the individual?
Speaker 4 (30:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm curious you're called baba, Sam Shelley. How did you
end up with that title?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Baba?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
It just came from spirit. I just heard one day.
Just call myself baba. Just call myself Boba basically means
it's the male energy of the spiritual realms. This means
that you know who you are outside of the thought
and body. A baba is basically a spiritual teacher and
in India that will be a baba be a male
spiritual teacher. Ma will be the female spiritual teacher. It's
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just somebody that knows who they are beyond the mind
and body and just embodies those teachings.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
So where you are at now is a spiritual teacher.
What about people you've known since you're early in your life?
I mean, can you even relate to them? Or family members?
Do they say we don't know who you are?
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Or yeah, my cousins because most of my aunts and
uncle have path but my cousins are usually puzzled. And
that's what was the catalyst for writing my first book.
Everybody was constantly asking me, well, what did you do?
What did you do? So I wrote that first book. Well,
basically I stopped dwelling in thoughts. You know, I was
(31:16):
constantly dwelling in thoughts when I as doctor Gebora Matta said,
when I talked to him about my story, he said, oh,
you stopped taking your mind as a source of truth.
So that's what I did. I stopped taking my mind
of the sources of truth. I stopped dwelling in thoughts.
All I did was said there ruminated on thoughts about
how bad life was and how difficult it would be
(31:38):
like right now, it's very hot in New York City.
My mom'd be in the stories right now. Because it
was anything above ninety degrees outside, I didn't go outside
with MSS. I was a hermit during the summertime because
even above anything with seventy degrees, I would start to
have issues and need the cooling best. But when outside,
what is ninety even the cooling best on, I would
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get an instant migrain, stick my head out in that heat,
instant migraine. So I couldn't tolerate heat at all. So
it was really just a matter of just blowing down
and stop picking this thoughts as truth. And so that's
why I really help people to see that a diagnosis
does information doesn't have any bearing on your destiny unless
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you give it power to do. So.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I'm really glad you said that about diagnosis. I think
a couple of years ago I was reading a book
by doctor Sue Mortar, and she talks about diagnosis that
you know, if you dwell on it, then the universe.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Is going to send more of that too.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
So I'm sure you studied everything about MS and the
universe said, well, here's more of MS for you.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah, exactly, because I was reading everything I could about MS,
bipolar sorias, as far the write as OCD, the list
goes on and on and on, and reading everything about
me medicine and reading all this stuff was make my
pain body stronger and all this information stronger was keeping
it ingrained. So after thirty eight years, well yeah, thirty
(33:09):
eight years, I had these beliefs that incurable, that I
can't be fixed, I'm destined for our nursing home because
my health was a really bad decline, that I would
be in the nursing home because at that point in
my life, walking was becoming very, very difficult with the
spasticity of my leg is. It was getting really really bad,
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so it was really starting to become hard to function.
It was the right point in the pivot point, because
once you get into the wheelchair, it's very hard to
pull yourself out of that. You know, you get the
atrophy of the muscles and all that. So I had
a wheelchair around, but I didn't needed I had my
walker around too, but this is the time I get
around with a cane. So I mean that was my reality.
(33:54):
You know, you have a cane. There's a story attached
with the Cane. There's a story touched with MS. You know,
people open doors for you, so you have this expectation
that people treat you differently. So you get really locked
into the diagnosis that, oh, I am bipolar, I have MS.
I'm not supposed to be reliable. I'm not supposed to
be dependable, So people have no expectations of you. You
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get into yourself, really into the stable minds that you
get ingrained into that. So it's really damaging. The head
traffic can be really damaging.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
You know, since you have actually cured yourself of MS,
isn't MS supposed to be incurable? And if that's the case,
that when you encounter MS patients that come to you,
you must give them an incredible hope. Have you seen
any of your patients cure themselves with that?
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Most people that I talk about my story, if they
have MS, they'll typically say I can never do that
and walk away. Usually, but then that was really interesting though.
There are a hand people, handful of people out there
that have walked away from MS. I was recently reading
a book from Bob Proctor. He was talking about his
aunt with MS and all these difficulties. He was sitting
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with her once a week and having her listen to
Earl Nightingale every day. Within a few years, her MS
was gone, with him coaching her and her doing the
Erl Nightingale practices. Within a few years, her MS was gone.
And if you even forgot about it, she was doing
her like normal guarding, normal functioning, and then eventually went
(35:33):
She's back to the doctor. She's like, you don't have MS,
you know, I don't know. It's You're fine now.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I love Bob Proctor. Yeah, and Earl Nightingale. That goes
back to the beginnings of my studies of this.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
It was really weird. I never heard Bob Proctor talk
about that until he wrote that, and the book is like, oh,
that's interesting. I never heard that story.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Well, if you're a viewer listener who has MS multiplesis hey,
there's hope and the hope lies within you.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Yeah, So what's really interesting. And working with a lot
of Parkinson's patients lately, and that's also really the building
the octating disease and when I get them into the
space of into their heart, their soul, their spirit, their essence,
I'll ask them a question, has your spirit ever told
you that you're incurable and the answer is always no,
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because incurable doesn't come from spirit, the soul, the creator,
the infinite. It doesn't exist because that you are that
energy that has created this body, this planet, this galaxy,
the sun. So there's nothing impossible. Is It's like, are
you willing to trust yourself and do the stuff that
are necessary? And that's really that simple. My practice was very,
(36:50):
very simple, was I was sitting for five minutes today,
then eventually sitting five minutes twice a day today. I
still don't sit for a lot of Timely practice is
about ten minutes of just being present. Then realize I'm
here in body. I'm here to have the human experience.
I'm sure I can sit all day and be content
with that, but I'm incarnated in this body right now,
(37:13):
Let's go enjoy life. Let's go have fun. So that's
what I see now that we're here to enjoy life,
to celebrate life, not be shackled down by this pain body,
and we can dissolve this pain body. I can't say
for certain if you're DISEASEIB one hundred percent go away,
but I know within you, your spirit is encouraging you
(37:33):
to do this, to do that, to do this, to
do that. And if you keep doing those stuffs from spirit,
I suspect you can really turn most things around, if
not all things, if you have that implicit trust within yourself.
That's what is really unusual I hear from individuals is
that I had this implicit trust. Whatever I had that
(37:57):
impulse to do, I would do. I didn't doubt it. Well,
if I would doubt it for a second, but like,
all as well, we'll go do this, all as well,
we'll go do this, all as well, we'll go do this.
I just had this implicit trust. And when the min
way throw of doubts, I just come back to the
sensation that all as well, keep following, keep listening. It's
(38:22):
like hearing that voice saying do yoga. My mind was
a complete protest that you can't do yoga. Next day
I signed up for the unlimited part at the yoga studio. Well,
first I asked like, where's my yoga studio? And I
was I was working in corporate at that time, and
I was just driving the work and I just heard
your yoga studios there there. I just heard something like
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there and there's the yoga studio there. Next day signed
up for the monthly eliminated. I didn't know the teachers
or anything. We'll just sign up and we'll go do
that and just trust. It's just an implicit trust.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Wow, that makes me want to go sign up for yoga.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Now, last time I tried to, I almost fell over
because I didn't have the balance.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
But yeah, you got to persistent and resilient.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Right, yeah, like like so when when I sign up
for yoga, I didn't have balance, And when I discovered
through yoga, if I was not here in this moment,
I would fall over. If I lost presents, I would
fall over. But if I stayed present, I wouldn't fall over.
But after six months of yoga, I didn't need the
cane anymore. I was no longer heat in tolerance. I
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didn't need my cooling vest anymore. The no cooling vests,
no cane, and papered off quite a bit of medicine
after six months.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
You know this voice that you heard that says all
as well? And you just repeated that over which is beautiful,
is all as well?
Speaker 3 (39:48):
When is it coming from you?
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Say?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
From spirit? I mean, is that God?
Speaker 2 (39:53):
What do you is it?
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Just?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
How would you look at doesn't matter what you consider
the spirit to be, except that it's all that is.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Yeah, it's just all that is, All is one that
the mind likes the creator God as separate from us,
but it's actually we are that even the Bible says,
remain in the image and likeness of God. And what
is that same thing within all of us, spirit, soul, consciousness,
that which can't be seen. We all have that essence
within us that's animating this body. So we are that
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to the mind want to this division in separation, but
we're ultimately this one energy. And the way I like
to describe it like we're like all on the earth.
We can think of the earth as like the source
of consciousness, and we're all our unique flower coming from
the earth from consciousness, but we all come from that
same source, and we're all individual flowers connected to source.
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But ultimately we are one with Source.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
If we're spiritual beings having a human experience, that means
where we believe that we are separate from all that is,
And so our ego or the head, trash or monkey
mind is the belief of separation that wants to keep
us separated.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
And that's why it's going back all the time.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Yeah, I wants to keep this division. But I like
to say that we are spiritual beings having a spiritual
experience within a human body because we're always spirit, but
we forget we can never disconnect from who we are,
that we are spirit. But the mind can create a
lot of darkness, creating that sense of separation. But it's
really a belt once again, dissolving that darkness and amplifying
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your own light because it's always there shining bright. I
like to said, there is no dark night of the soul.
It's a dark night of the mind. Your soul is
the light itself. It cannot go dark. The mind is
sort of like a lampshade over your light. It's creating
this darkness over your light. But we start peeling away
those layers, those beliefs. That's what I do when working
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with people want to deepen their spiritual practice, remove their
current practice, and to start seeing where their biases, their shadows,
and that they're chronically sick. They have a lot of
darkness that we need to peel away and do these
practices to help them heal that away, to get to
see like why is that true? Why is that true?
(42:21):
Why is that true? And it reminds me of the
time when I was sitting with someone I was doing
in person in Pennsylvania. I had this event and I
had to stay with her for an extra two hours
after the event because I heard darkness instantly cleared away,
which happened instantly cleared away, And for the next two hours,
She's like, I took this as true. I took this
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as true. I took this truth. She was historically laughing
to bring up all these stories that she took us
their truth and just saw how ludicrous they were and
just was laughing at everything. There were two hours I
had to help her get it back into her body
because she's just all these stories are just being disolved,
and is how they really get her back? Can ground
it and to know having this human experience, but it's
(43:05):
really interesting we get rid of that darkness of what
we think is what is possible when we thought was impossible.
That's really just whipping around to like nothing is impossible.
May require a lot of steps to turn it around,
but we can't do that. We just as Las suits said,
you know, journey of one thousand miles begins with that
single step. We're just taking these single steps all the time.
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That's all we're doing is is taking these steps.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
That that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
This lady was just releasing it all for two hours.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, Wow, that's that's incredible. I'm my mind is just
racing here. I mean, there's just so much going on here.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I've had one of the most well known teachers of
a course in miracles on the show, Gary Renard, author
of The Disappearance of the Universe and a couple other books,
And when he was talking about out the ego, and
he said, well, modern psychology, we many of them will say, well,
make friends with your ego and that way you can
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balance your life. But he made a very explicit point
that ego is not your friend.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
Yeah, your ego is your tool, your age, your helper.
So basically the egos typically hijacks our life. But really,
I don't really want to try to kill off the
ego because we're getting these divine insights to yoga. If
there was no mind, no ego, you can't do yoga,
you can't feed yourself, you can't do anything in life
without the mind and ego giving you those instructions on
(44:39):
how to do something. But usually the ego, the mind
is the master as opposed as your spirit, your soul
being the master. So we're not trying to kill off
the ego or the mind. We need it to function
in this world, and we don't. We just want to
see that it's a tool, that's an aid, it's a helper,
and I really don't want to judge, criticize anything because
(45:01):
that's just more head trash, and we want to quiet
the mind down and so realize we can look over
the term ego and just realize the brain, the mind
is here to help you function, but the instructions need
to come from a deeper place. And they have actually
even shown studies where you're drinking water before the mind
(45:22):
tells you you need to drink water. The mind is
already taking these steps before we're doing it. Like you're
drinking water, you had the impulse to drink water before
your mind decide to drink water. They have actually proven
that insigence. So the body's are already responding to things,
but the minds would get in the way of that.
But sometimes we're getting these deeper instructions and in a
(45:44):
way we have to convince the mind to do that.
You know, we're getting instructions to do yoga, the mind
will be in protests. We have to push through that.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
So now that you're in this place where you are
connected to all that is, letting go the head, trash.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
The monkey mine.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Are you do you? Are you able to channel higher
dimensional beings and angels, et cetera. Is it something that
you do now?
Speaker 4 (46:13):
Yeah, That's why I help people. When I'm working with
the individuals, I get my mind out of the way
and all the call it paneling. I just let spirit
drive and work through may. So when I'm working with
an individual, I'm actually merging with them in consciousness. Like
I said before, like the earth is like consciousness. We're
all different flowers. So work with an individual, I'm meeting
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them in spirit and basically we're looking at their flower
and see where their flower needs attention. So if somebody
is having pain difficulties, I'll experience that pain and difficulties.
And about eighty percent of the people I'll feel that,
Oh I feel this pain in your low back. I
feel this, and it's I can't really explain it. Like
(46:55):
I got all sorts of interesting stories to share on this.
Like I was speaking to this Circle Miracles group and
after they afterwards we get through zoom. Because I was
doing this remote. This woman was talking about like, won't
go into Italy in a few weeks, but I'm having
this strange hip pain. My doctors don't know what's going on.
(47:16):
I'm like, okay, do you have a humanists can take
a look at this for you. And I worked with
her for literally two or three minutes, and I asked
her like, well, how your hip's feeling out. She's like,
they feel better then I heal here after her words
or Italian trips, She's like, I don't know what kind
of magic you did, but my hips weren't bothering me
in Italy. This is the great difficulties with miracles. There's
(47:41):
just none. But miracles are natural and we get that
mind out, by the way, and another story with that
working when this thing. One of the things I can
do is bring doctors in from the spiritual realms to
this lady schedule session with me, who's an older lady
sixty seventy, and she says, I'm scheduled for ritnees. I
really don't want right knee surgery. And it's like, all right,
(48:02):
let's see what we can do. So I got this
doctor's name, which is unusual for me, is I have
only gotten the doctor's name why specifically for an individual.
So I got this doctor's name, It's like, do you
know this doctor? She's like, Oh, that's my childhood doctor.
And I was making this joke that once a patient,
always a patient. So anyway, we're working on her and
(48:26):
to the stage she still hasn't had right knee surgery.
I can't explain it. I can't explain. So that's why
I do on my website offer these three many healing calls.
The one people to experience themselves because everything is spirit led,
so we really try to ignite your own spirit. I
want to give feel their own sense of what their
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spirit feels like. Some IM working with individuals they never
experienced themselves. They never experienced the deep piece of spirit.
And that's why I tried doing these sessions. And sometimes
these sessions I clear up that issue that they're having.
And usually sometimes I can clear that issue, but the
next day the mind will bring it back because the
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pain body is addicted to pain. But sometimes I can
clear it and it's gone, but sometimes it will come
back in twenty four or forty eight hours. The mind's like, hey,
there's something missing here. Let's drag this back because we're
so addicted to that. Because with MS, you're addicted to
the stories that people have been doors for you. There's
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no expectations, so the mind drives back that. So it
wants to keep things familiar. So we just need to
keep peeling away the pain body. There's levels of difficulties
that we have, and it's a practice. So I have
a few ways, either you know, through my group or
working with people individually or for over a month or
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two weeks, whatever happens to be. I'm sitting with them
every day remotely, and we're meeting on camera once twice,
three times a week, and we're just going through this
w because when I'm sitting remotely, I'm not doing like
a heavy heavy lifting because they don't know what they're
doing in that moment. I don't want to call it
any danger to them because her from individuals working on them,
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they'll see bright white light or something. Are the feel
people walking around they're being push poked. I can't explain it.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
We are talking to the miracle man, Baba Sam Shelley,
who who through his own process, cured himself from MS
and multiple other things. Let me ask you this as
we kind of wind down here. Does a person have
to have a catastrophe or a Catharsis in their life
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to awaken their true, higher, healthier self to know that
all really is.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
Well well some people, there are some people that need
to have an experience to shake them out of their reality.
For me, it was a ghost sitting next to me
and being curious. Wayne Dyer called these quantum ships, like
I was in this belief and all go with MS
or in this belief where I can never do that,
and they walk away. They need to have this quantum shift.
(51:05):
And this is what I offer in my calls. Maybe
I can give them that quantum shift where they can
feel themselves or have an experience that challenge in their mind.
Maybe I'm working on them. They're dealing with this chronic
pain and it goes away and they're like, how does
that happen? And it causes a shift within them. So
some people do need to have this quantum shift, because
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I think ninety percent of the people out there need
to have this quantum shift to accept the spiritual realms
that there's something greater than that. Because look at MS migraines,
bipolar You'll find millions upon millions of article, videos, stories
of that this is incurable. Unless you have that quantum shift,
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you're not gonna be able to step out of that story.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
One thing too, and I mentioned this in the intro.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
You know, the main question of this show is why
now are the people of the world awakening to all
things spiritual, meta, physics, learn enlightening.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
I mean this is occurring right now at this time
in human history.
Speaker 4 (52:05):
Well, there are more people waking up because there's more
information out there, there's more stories like myself that you know,
our diagnosis is not a permanent reality. Whatever you're going through,
doesn't that be your permanent reality. So it doesn't matter
if you're dealing with health, relationships, careers, one thousand and
one things that coul apparently be going wrong in the
human life that if you go within, you are the solution. Ultimately,
(52:29):
we're constantly seeking out salt teaking outside of ourself for
the answer forgetting that we are the solution that you being,
your spirit, your soul, your consciousness, connect to all that
is to dealing with relationship issues, career issues, finance issues,
the answers within you. We just got to get that
head trash out of the way.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah, well, Boba, Sam Shelley, I think that you are
offering hope for so many people who see or hear
this in what you do. Your website is braintrash dot.
Speaker 4 (53:02):
Com right beyond head trash.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Oh, beyond beyond head trash. I'm sorry, beyond here. I'll
put that link in there.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
Now. You do one on one coaching, and.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I saw that you also offer some meditation downloads and
other healing downloads. Do you ever do retreats or workshops?
Speaker 4 (53:21):
Well, I have my Vibrant Soul Society. So with my
Vibrant Soul Society, it's finaler for the first month. What
I do in there, I teach three classes a week
for the Interhaler School, so a different time on Tuesday
for my European aging clients, you know, Wednesday at different
time for europe Asian North America and Thursday, so three
different days, three different times every Tuesday at a time,
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Wednesday at a different time, and Thursday. So I can
cover the globe and then we can do either group coaching,
group sessions focused healing. But then I do have Wilson,
I have my one on one work the interhaler intensive
where I sit with you every day remotely and we
email each other back and forth every day, like I'm
experiencing this, Like I'll email somebody like I'm feeling a
(54:06):
lot of head congestion today, what's going on? Like, oh yeah,
my allergies are acting up. I can't explain that I'm
feeling with their feeling and I can experience what I'm
experiencing and they can tell me like this is what
I felt today. What's going on with you? What are
you experiencing that alps me focusing and when we're doing
remote healings like okay, we need more intense work on this.
(54:27):
When are you sleeping? When can I work on this?
Or do we need to go one on one so
I can do this work because you're just the flower
that needs attention, you know, coming from the source. We
just kind of fix the flower the body. And I
can't explain that. I just channel this energy, bringing these
doctors your spiritual team and allow these miracles to happen.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah. Really, And check out Baba Sam's website beyondhead trash
dot com. You can download his ebook I Don't Dwell,
which I did, and it's a fascinating read and I
still have more to read on it. Also, your podcasts
the same name, Beyond head Trash right, that's on YouTube
(55:10):
and an anywhere else.
Speaker 4 (55:12):
Yeah, my podcast is the Vibrant Soult Society the Conversations
because ultimately we want to see that we are greater
than our thoughts and beyond our thoughts. Beyond our head
trash is our vibrant fault, always eliminating the path, and
it's vibrant. It gives us all this energy to live
the life that we want to live, to have fun,
to enjoy life.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Well, this is just fascinating, beautiful stuff. You are doing
some beautiful, beautiful things for the world and for your
brothers and sisters. Boba Sam, thank you, my friend, for
being on the World Awakenings.
Speaker 3 (55:48):
Amazing.
Speaker 4 (55:49):
Thank you, Carl. I really enjoyed our conversation.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
This has been another episode of World Awakenings, The Fast
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Hey, it's time for episode number two eleven of World Awakening.
It's a fast Track to Enlightenment. I am your host,
Carl Ruber. Now, if you're seeking your higher self and
trying to see, feel, and hear beyond all the junken
distractions our world throws at us, then you are in
the right place. We seek the answer to the question why,
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Screen or click the link listed below in the show,
all right, let's head off to meet our guests today,
and our guest is Baba Sam Shelley, and his life
journey is a testament to resilience, earning him the name
the miracle Man. He faced significant challenges during his life,
starting with a severe accident at the age of six
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and going through school with undiagnosed bipolar disorder. Later, he
lost the ability to walk due to multiple sclerosis and
dealt with migraines ziiasin siiatica arthritis. Jeez, that's crazy. Despite
four decades of illness and disability, he ultimately achieved spiritual
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realization and restored his own health. Meditation provided a pivotal
and profound self discovery when he realized he was not
his thoughts or identity. He then inquired who am I
and heard a voice reminding him of his divine essence,
that is perfect spirit. The epiphany transformed his life and
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became the cornerstone of his mission to aid others and
teach them that miracles are not extraordinary occurrences, but natural
and every day unfolding events, which I love because we
know there is no order of difficulty in miracles. Boba
Sam is the author of the book I Don't Dwell
and is the host of the popular podcast Beyond the
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Head Trash, which is also the name of his website.
All very cool, and I am so fascinated in you,
Boba Sam.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Do you prefer being called Boba Sam? Or can I
just call you Sam?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Whatever you feel? Coupled with Carl, it's a real pleasure
to be here today.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
All right, very cool? My gosh, your story just blows
my mind. I mean, it's amazing. And you know, let's
go the incredible story of you having lived a long
time with debiliting health, debilitating health issues and injuries, and
going on to release and heal yourself from all of it.
I suppose the best way is go back to the
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beginning of your life's journey so people can understand how
you now came to be a full time spiritual teacher,
coach and healer.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah. So when I look back in my life, it
really seems surreal, seems like I live two different lives,
one filled with pain and suffering and one free. And
that's what we really want to do with that spiritual awakening,
is the liberator felt to be free from all this
heaviness that we experience in our world. So, yeah, it
all began for me at eight to six when I
was hit by a van and nearly died from that.
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But they have shown, you know that from that injury,
I was in the hospital for a long time with
brain injuries, hip injuries. Hell though injuries nearly bled out
a lot of a lot of difficulties in there. And they
now know today that kids that experience early age head
trauma are more likely to be bipolar. They see that
correlation today, So that's where that came from. The bipolar
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was the correlation from the accident. But they didn't know that,
so they pretty much that wasn't treated. It was like,
all right, he's just a weird, moody kid, that thought,
but really strange issues. You know, when I would act
up in high school, it would get sent to the
principal's office. They usually just asked me if I was
smoking weed. I said no, When they sent me back
to class. That was my help. That was about it.
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There's no help coming from me in my teenage years.
There's a lot of stuffering and no help.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Wow. And so I read that you got hit by
a van when you were six years old, which is
weird because I got hit by a car when I
was six too. But I must say had a hard
head because I just got knocked out and bruised up.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Yeah. I nearly bled out from that accident. I what
do you remember that? It was the last day of
first grade. I went back to school for the fourth grade.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Tell us more. I mean, so this is when you're
a youngster, but then you become an adult and all
these other melodies hit you. If you could give us
a gist of that.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah. So, as like a SID as an undiagnose bipolar
going through school, early adulthood. Then it became suicidal in
my twenties. So I found got some help at that point.
But that point they just diagnosed me as depressive, and
they give me some medicines that you don't give to
a bipolar because they'll flip you Intumania. It was a
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real adventure with that. Then as a bipolar, I nearly
killed myself twice because I was taking these negative thoughts,
this head trash as my truth that was creating a
lot of problems. So it was just really just too
That's where I was going with this who I had
all this head trash, all these negative thoughts that nearly
took myself killed myself twice before because of that. But
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then I had all these autoimmune diseases coming up, like
pariasistoric arthritis, then eventually multiple scrosses. But I'm seeing people
with these autoimmune diseases always have an element of self government,
self criticism, so the body start to attack itself as
we get these autoimmune diseases. So I really just had
all these issues and all these problems, and there was
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really no help coming from me because all I knew
was doctors in medicine, doctor the medicine, and doctors and
medicines don't create curis. They treat symptoms and usually keep
things the same. So, you know, it was my world
and I had no concept of the spiritual realms. It
really wasn't part of my reality. So when it was
bipolar in my twenties in the hospital to just try
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to kill myself, I remember my evangelical uncle coming into
that room. You know, a pastor but evangelical was coming
to my room trying to cast the demons from my head,
so that sort of pushed me away from the religions.
Spirituality was like, I'm not possessed. I don't have demonto
my head, but I don't know how to describe it.
And even my psychiatrists wasn't awakened either, so he didn't
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ask me that question, why are your thoughts prove? Because
he too was identified with his thoughts, so he didn't
have that separation from his thoughts to who he really was.
And that's where it really shifted for May was, you know,
seeing that I had these thoughts, but I wasn't that thought,
but I had no constant to that of that time.
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So from age six to age forty four, I was
just in pain, suffering, taking thirteen medications, needed a caine,
a cooling vest. I just had all these issues and
I just heard, this is my lot in life, this
is what I'm stuck with. And just seeing the six
doctors at thirteen medications, my cooling vest to caine, it's
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just this miserable life. I thought, that's why I was
going to be living a miserable life like a lot
of people are living today. It was just a miserable life.
So we need to really increase this worldwide awakening to
let go of all this pain, all this suffering, because
it doesn't need to stick forever. It may, but it
doesn't need.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
To age six to forty four? Was that you dealt
with all of that? You were from what I read
I've been reading some of your book, I don't dwell.
I mean you were like a walking pharmacy with all
the medicines you were taking.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah, thirteen medications, clear a sixth doctors. I had all
these issues, so medicine so I didn't kill myself. Medicines,
the function from MS, medications for migraines, medicines for the
psoric arthritis, the cranes for the psoriasis. It was really
it was very expensive being sick.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So it's interesting, what was what was finally the turning point?
I mean, I mean, after all of that, I mean,
I'm amazed that you didn't kill yourself. You couldn't see
any way out and you have this this head trash
going on constantly, and what was the turning point? How
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did you figure find your way out of there?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
The way I found my way out was dealing with
multiple scrosies, you have a lot of fatigue. It's a
very draining type of disease. So at the end of
the day, I was the couch potato. I was hitting
in front of the TV and watch basically anything on TV.
And I used to watch ghost hunting show but I
know if they were real or fake. It's TV. So
I saw a tweet from a ghost hunter and Phelix like, hey,
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I can go to this event. We can see if
these ghosts are real. So before, like I was pretty
much staying away from the spiritual realms and religion. But
it's being a cow potato and being curious watching ghost
hunting shows. But it's TV. I didn't know if it
was real or fake. Go on on, let's have that experience.
So I went on this ghost hunt. So I had
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my poling vest because ms are very heat sensitive or
anything about seventy degrees, my body would start to shut down.
I had my cane. So I went into this ghost
hunt in Fort Mifflin in Philadelphia, and I went to
the area called the Casemates. So I did my research
before I went there because I knew I had a
very short window to be there. August pooling vest maybe
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an hour seventy five minutes. That's all I could really
last with that. So I was sitting in the casemates,
pretty boring for most of it. But then I was
just sitting on this bench. Just sitting on the bench,
just looking around. Was kind of boring, was dark, not
much was really happening. Then I'm just sitting on the
bench and the somebody sat right next to me. It's like, okay,
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there's no one here, but there's somebody's sitting right next
to me. It's like you're sitting on a bench, you
know when somebody is sitting next to you. Feel I
feel like, okay, somebody sat next to me. Nobody sat
next to me. I just felt this overwhelming sent a
dread come over me, Like wow, that's interesting. So ghosts
are real. So then I had a few small, little
experiences at this event, but nothing really that big as
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a sitting next to me. But I was curious, Okay,
so ghost are reel? Well, who talks to ghosts? Oh medium,
let me go read a book from a medium because
they talked about this stuff. Mecause, let me go learn
more about this ghost world. So I started to read
a book from a medium, but they were always you know,
so they're reading this book from a medium. Then eventually
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they talked about meditation and then meditation. They describe the
benefits of meditation, and one of the benefits of meditation
was inner peace. I'm like, that's it. I need to
meditate because I need some enter piece. I was so
stressed out, so overwhelmed with life. I remember every day
I was waking up like, what else is going to
go wrong today? Because that's my reality. Everything was going wrong.
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And of course, if you're in a mindset what's going
to go wrong today, you're just inviting more problems. But
I wasn't aware of that that I was adding to
the head crash. So I'm sitting there, Okay, so I
need to meditate for inner peace. But this was really
just a page and a half on meditation wasn't much,
which I was so thankful for. Because my bipolar OCD
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brain the rules of meditation, I'd be like, oh, am,
I sitting right, and my breathing right is my posture right.
I've been going through the laundry list of meditation as
opposed to doing meditation. Being OCD, that's been a big
problem and gave me this direction. They basically said in
the book, you know, find a comfortable spot and relax.
Basically their instructions. There was no hand postures or anything
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like that. The quietly and relaxed. For some reason, I
got the impression that meditation means you stop thinking. So
what happens when I sit down on meditation The mind
starts thinking. So it's like stop thinking, mind thinking, stop thinking,
mind thinking, stop thinking. So after are three four days
of this, I'm like, wait a second, wait a second.
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If I'm aware of my thoughts, I'm not my thoughts.
This was a huge realization for me to see that
I have thoughts, but I'm not my thoughts. Because we
have to remember in the twenties I took my thoughts
as truth and nearly killed myself twice because of that.
So for me to have separation now like, wait a second,
I'm not my thoughts. So my next question was, well,
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if I'm not my thoughts, who am I? So now
I was sitting out of the question who am I?
So my initial meditation practice was five minutes to day.
That's all. I was sitting relaxing for five minutes. My
practice changed a little bit, so now when I realized
I had thought, but it wasn't my thoughts. So when
the mind started thinking, I wouldn't say stop thinking. I
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would come back to feeling my feet on the floor.
So mind thinking, come back to my feet. Mind thinking,
come back to my feet. So it was actually learning
to be present. I didn't know that's what I was
doing at that time, learning to be present. But then
I was sitting with that question, Okay, well who am I?
So after about two three weeks of sitting with this question,
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coming out of meditation in the evening, I just hear
a voice say, perfect spirit. I'm like, that's it. My
spirit is perfect. I'm not this damaged body and mind.
Then the best way I can describe it, I just
felt this great sense of peace come over me. Then
I just knew all as well, and I just knew
all my health challenges were over. I just knew after
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that day it was done. It was over. So then
I just was following those insights on recovering the body.
But before that, I had no concept that I could
be healed. I lived with it for so long, so
I was never trying to heal myself. It was an
impossible test for the mind. It's like if you have
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multiple scuroses, Oh hey, mine go you're multiple scroses. It
has no idea, Oh go, hey, mine go heal my grains.
I'm tired of that. The mind has no clue. I
can guess, oh we can try this, we can try this,
but doesn't really know. It guesses. The mind guesses. So
I was never trying to heal. I just follow my
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own insights. But over that day I was getting better
and better after each day of that. So just following
my insights. So that night I begun in tape for
my medicines, which I don't recommend to everyone, but I
just knew I just needed to start a taper off
my medicine. So I did that. Then shortly after hearing that,
I heard the voice or knowing I'm not I'm not
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quite sure what I did at that point that it
was time to do yoga. So the next day, after
getting that insight, I signed up for the monthly unlimited
class at the yoga studio. My mind with a complete protest,
you have no balance, you have no flexibility. Who are
you to do yoga? I ignored that voice and I
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just did yoga. Then what happened with yoga, no more
heat intolerant, no more caine. After six months, the body
was coming back online. And every day of this tapering
off this medicine, I was feeling better and better and better.
So each day over the next fourteen months, as were
going through this recovery process, I was feeling better and better.
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But I knew in that day that it was all over.
As you mentioned, you know you had the book back there,
Coursen Miracles. I love. My favorite quote is in there
is that there's no degree of difficulties with miracles, right right,
That is my favorite quote because it doesn't matter like
all these health elements, all these challenges, there's no degree
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that the miracles, they can have happened instantly if you
just relax and just trust that divinity within you.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, there is no order of difficulty in miracles. And
even in my intro for you, you mentioned that miracles unnatural,
and that is a statement and of course in miracles.
But I would like to go back for a moment.
You mentioned that when you started meditating, you realize that
you were aware of your thoughts, which made you realize
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that you weren't your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I mean if we explain that more.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Is that because you realize that you were observe an
observer on a different plane, looking down and seeing objectively.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah, it was just I just had that separation that, oh,
if I'm aware of my thoughts, I'm not my thoughts.
I just had that realization. But I didn't know I
was spared at that point. I just realized I wasn't
my thoughts. Was sitting with a question, well, I'm not
my thoughts. Well, then who am I? So I was
sitting there at that point, I didn't realize I was spirit, soul,
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whatever you wish to call it. I just knew I
wasn't my thoughts.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, very very interesting and I really like that quite
a bit. You know, we're going to talk more about that,
but for and I hope you don't mind. This is
kind of a personal question. But what I read from
your book, I don't dwell, and I've read about half
of it so far.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I'm going to keep doing that.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You were married the entire time of your your as
you're on your healthy journey in life, but you're not
so healthy either.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
You don't really talk about her.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
She must be a special woman to deal with all
that you were dealing with physically and mentally.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Yeah. So yeah, after shortly after that book, we laught.
The marriage ended because she was she was still she
was very unhealthy herself. So you're both commiserating with each other.
So we were both beating off of each other, you
could say, keeping each other sick.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Well after that, she was stolen this victim and holiday,
and I was I was liberated. I was great.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, that's yeah, that's rough.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, I could see well, and I hope you don't
mind me asking about that. I was just really curious
about that.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, So I didn't talk about the book because we're
just completely different planes.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So after years and years and years of seeking relief
via traditional medical treatments which didn't work and never work,
meditation turk turned out to be your path to peace
and perfect health. I'm really, you know, doing what I
do being in the show, the host of this show.
I'm I still I'm just kind of a trash meditation person.
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And I noticed your book has some instructions and and
I think I'm going to give a try to to
quiet that that monkey mind, that brain trash.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Yeah, So with the understand that we're either present or
we're in the mind. We can't be in both places.
So I was I was wasn't even realizing that when
the mind start to think of like come back my feet,
mind thinking come back to my feet, back to my feet,
back my feet. I was learning the power of now,
the power of being present. So that's what I see
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now that we're either in the mind distracted or we're
fully here. Realize we're sitting our feet or on the floor,
we're listening. You know, we are the one that sees
through the eye. We are that essence.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, boy, you know I strive to achieve that, and
I'm not giving up because gosh, if you can do it, man,
I think anyone can do it.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah. What I typically do repeal it when to deepen
their spiritual practice. I see what they're doing they don't
have then I have them stop everything. We get it
back down to one, two, three, four, five minutes, whatever
it may be. How long can you stay present? Yeah,
there's no need to sit in meditation for ten minutes.
If you're not staying present, you're just entertending the head trash.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I'm curious, has anybody ever said to you compared you
to doctor Joe Despenza who healed himself from a broken
back and being a quadripollegian.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah, I hear it quite a bit from I hear
comparisons to doctor Joe quite a bit, but there's there's
some big differences that I really don't like to engage
the mind. I really want to step out of the
mind with this deeper essence. So there's similarities there, and
I see, you know, the process doctor Joe used isn't
really what he's teaching today. He teaches it a little bit,
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but he has these other practices as well, and I
do that well, expand it a little bit. But I'm
still about returning you back to you. Because you inhabit
this body, you know what's best for you, but not
a mental knowing, this deeper knowing that come from this
deeper place that knows exactly what you need in this moment.
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Like I said, you'll get these insights. And to understand
that intuition is both internal and external, that the universe
is going to give you that information and if you're
not open to receive it internally, then it will come externally.
Just ondly find that book, that video, that person that's
giving you that answer, that you're seeking.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I think what you just said is got to be
encouraging to so many people, And unfortunately, I believe there's
way far more people than we realize. We were suffering
in a life just like you did, only I can't
see a way out at the moment right.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
People have to realize our diagnosis is not destiny. For me,
my diagnosis was my destiny. I'm incurable. I'm stuck with
this forever. But to realize destiny is not locked in
its fluid of our actions and our attitude and this
moment we just have to understand is to come back
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into this moment. And well, I do hear this a
lot from people that I'm sitting quietly, even practicing for years,
I can be really still and no information comes. I'm like,
then it's coming externally for you. You're getting an inkling
to do something because you're not open to receive it.
Otherwise you don't trust yourself, So it's coming to you
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another way. You're probably getting an inkling a good talk
to someone, go read a book, go watch the video.
It's coming to you in some way, and you're just
not noticing it because you're so focused on getting it
from within, but they know the spirit within you knows
that if you get the answer, you're not going to
trust yourself because ninety percent of the people don't trust themselves.
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So the INSIGHT's going to come and your mind's going
to come along in a highjacket. It's going to come
from a different source.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Boy, that is a real good point because I can
see sitting there and I've probably done this myself, sitting there,
you know, meditating, Well, nothing's happening, this doesn't work, and
you're exactly right. Yeah, the answer may be coming from
an external source rather than right.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
There because you don't trust yourself. So this beer is
giving you the information that'd be more open to receive. Oh,
doctor Joe said it. Boba Sam said that some other
person said it, So you can happen to it resonates
with you. But it came from you directly, like, ah,
that can't be it your mind saying ah, you're crazy,
that's not your answer. But you hear from someone else
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and it resonates like that's my answer.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah. Yeah, really really interesting stuff. So, Baba Sam, what
is the ego? Why is it so darn persistent in
keeping or thinking in such a negative disempowering dark place.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Well, it's like you're totally mentions. It calls the egos
like the pain body. It's this energetic body that we
have that at the negativity, the traumas, the difficulties of life.
It's really like this energetic body, like we are the
light itself. We could think of the ego, the pain
body as the darkness. Someone's like the ying yang symbol.
We have the white and the dark, and we're usually
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the darkest so large, so we've got to amplify the
light that drown out the dark. So it's just simply
like that the yin yang that the darkness is the mind,
the pain body, and we are the light itself, and
it's binding that balance to bring in more light to
dissolve that darkness.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Very good insight, Very good insight. As a matter of fact,
on your website you have a great quote from Ecker
Totally the remnants of pain left behind by every strong
negative emotion that is not fully faced, accepted and then
let go of joined together to form an energy field
that lives in the very cells of your body. The
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energy field of old but still very much alive emotion
that lives in practically every human being is the pain body.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
That is so weird to think that we have a
pain body.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Yeah, we did. That's why I have the graphic on
my website where you can actually see the graphic. You know,
when we're in the far left ward is completely dark
or completely con assumed by that pain body. What we're
trying to do with like the vibrant Vibrant Soul Society,
the Interhealo school is bringing more and more light. Were
balanced that white the light in the darkness, so we
can we can find that balance because the pain body
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is always going to be there to some degree, like
the Ying Yang symbol, there's always going to be an element.
But for many people there are ninety percent darkness and
ten percent light. Why not get the ninety percent flip
it around to ninety percent light and ten percent dark.
Because we realized we were in this human body, we
can look at all the crime and drama around us.
The mind's going to get pooked into a story and occasionally,
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so I don't think there's anybody that's living a pure
consciousness to live as one hundred percent life light. Because
we are in this human body and there is some challenges,
There is some difficulties, the mind's going to misbehave on
a cave or a lot of a cathan.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah. Well, throughout human history as we know it, there's
a couple enlightened beings Jesus and Buddha, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
You know too, pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Well, if we talk about the pain body, then we
must talk about the energy body too.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Can you speak to that?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Yeah, that we are the light that we are. If
you don't understand that you are the light, you have
to realize you're no longer wearing the toiler body, You're
no longer wearing a teenager body, You're no longer wearing
a young adult body. You have all these changing bodies,
but the one who sees the eyes has never changed.
That is who we are. That is ourliveness, our being,
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our essence. That is who we are. But we get
so attached to that I am this body, I am
these thoughts. Well, we're actually the energy that animates the body.
We are that spirit, the soul, whatever you wish to
call it. We are that that the aliveness, the pureness there,
and that is the real you. And this is connected
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to all that is so all the answers are there,
and you may not come, it may come outside of you.
That's what you're most open to receive it. But to
realize there's no mistakes. Every experience is helping you remember
who you are, and if you're not getting the message,
just reminding you just to slow down, to pause, to
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learn to respond as opposed to reacting. So just to
understand that we are the aliveness, that we don't need
to get hung up in all the energy, all the chakras.
So I had none of this through my my healing recovery.
My spiritual instruction was a page and a half and
everything else came from within. At that point, I wasn't
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reading spiritual books, I wasn't watching videos. It wasn't until
after my healing journey was over that I picked up
a book from Adya Chante, The End of Your World,
and I talked about everything that I want through quit Tea.
It was really the end of my world, my end
of my world of suffering. It was in that fourteen
(29:01):
months my spiritual teacher was myself, So I'm connected to
all that is. I didn't have any this spiritual dogma
or knowledge. Looking really can become a problematic or a limitation.
Oh this chakras blocked this, chakras blocked and all these stories.
And do you really need to know that? Because trust
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what arises within you.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, so in that case, you know your external Uh.
The book was at an external event or thing that
helped you to awaken to the light too.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Right, was going let ghost tom being open to go
on a ghost hunt to see if it is real
or not, then being curious about it. I'm sure a
lot of people could have that experience, like, well that
was fun. Ghost hunt was a lot of fun, and
to see it as entertainment and let it be. But
I was curious that, like, oh ghost a real? Let
me go learn more about ghosts?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah? Wow, what that's Yeah? Whatever works are the individual?
Speaker 4 (30:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm curious you're called baba, Sam Shelley. How did you
end up with that title?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Baba?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
It just came from spirit. I just heard one day.
Just call myself baba. Just call myself Boba basically means
it's the male energy of the spiritual realms. This means
that you know who you are outside of the thought
and body. A baba is basically a spiritual teacher and
in India that will be a baba be a male
spiritual teacher. Ma will be the female spiritual teacher. It's
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just somebody that knows who they are beyond the mind
and body and just embodies those teachings.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
So where you are at now is a spiritual teacher.
What about people you've known since you're early in your life?
I mean, can you even relate to them? Or family members?
Do they say we don't know who you are?
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Or yeah, my cousins because most of my aunts and
uncle have path but my cousins are usually puzzled. And
that's what was the catalyst for writing my first book.
Everybody was constantly asking me, well, what did you do?
What did you do? So I wrote that first book. Well,
basically I stopped dwelling in thoughts. You know, I was
(31:16):
constantly dwelling in thoughts when I as doctor Gebora Matta said,
when I talked to him about my story, he said, oh,
you stopped taking your mind as a source of truth.
So that's what I did. I stopped taking my mind
of the sources of truth. I stopped dwelling in thoughts.
All I did was said there ruminated on thoughts about
how bad life was and how difficult it would be
(31:38):
like right now, it's very hot in New York City.
My mom'd be in the stories right now. Because it
was anything above ninety degrees outside, I didn't go outside
with MSS. I was a hermit during the summertime because
even above anything with seventy degrees, I would start to
have issues and need the cooling best. But when outside,
what is ninety even the cooling best on, I would
(31:58):
get an instant migrain, stick my head out in that heat,
instant migraine. So I couldn't tolerate heat at all. So
it was really just a matter of just blowing down
and stop picking this thoughts as truth. And so that's
why I really help people to see that a diagnosis
does information doesn't have any bearing on your destiny unless
(32:21):
you give it power to do. So.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I'm really glad you said that about diagnosis. I think
a couple of years ago I was reading a book
by doctor Sue Mortar, and she talks about diagnosis that
you know, if you dwell on it, then the universe.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Is going to send more of that too.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
So I'm sure you studied everything about MS and the
universe said, well, here's more of MS for you.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah, exactly, because I was reading everything I could about MS,
bipolar sorias, as far the write as OCD, the list
goes on and on and on, and reading everything about
me medicine and reading all this stuff was make my
pain body stronger and all this information stronger was keeping
it ingrained. So after thirty eight years, well yeah, thirty
(33:09):
eight years, I had these beliefs that incurable, that I
can't be fixed, I'm destined for our nursing home because
my health was a really bad decline, that I would
be in the nursing home because at that point in
my life, walking was becoming very, very difficult with the
spasticity of my leg is. It was getting really really bad,
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so it was really starting to become hard to function.
It was the right point in the pivot point, because
once you get into the wheelchair, it's very hard to
pull yourself out of that. You know, you get the
atrophy of the muscles and all that. So I had
a wheelchair around, but I didn't needed I had my
walker around too, but this is the time I get
around with a cane. So I mean that was my reality.
(33:54):
You know, you have a cane. There's a story attached
with the Cane. There's a story touched with MS. You know,
people open doors for you, so you have this expectation
that people treat you differently. So you get really locked
into the diagnosis that, oh, I am bipolar, I have MS.
I'm not supposed to be reliable. I'm not supposed to
be dependable, So people have no expectations of you. You
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get into yourself, really into the stable minds that you
get ingrained into that. So it's really damaging. The head
traffic can be really damaging.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
You know, since you have actually cured yourself of MS,
isn't MS supposed to be incurable? And if that's the case,
that when you encounter MS patients that come to you,
you must give them an incredible hope. Have you seen
any of your patients cure themselves with that?
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Most people that I talk about my story, if they
have MS, they'll typically say I can never do that
and walk away. Usually, but then that was really interesting though.
There are a hand people, handful of people out there
that have walked away from MS. I was recently reading
a book from Bob Proctor. He was talking about his
aunt with MS and all these difficulties. He was sitting
(35:09):
with her once a week and having her listen to
Earl Nightingale every day. Within a few years, her MS
was gone, with him coaching her and her doing the
Erl Nightingale practices. Within a few years, her MS was gone.
And if you even forgot about it, she was doing
her like normal guarding, normal functioning, and then eventually went
(35:33):
She's back to the doctor. She's like, you don't have MS,
you know, I don't know. It's You're fine now.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I love Bob Proctor. Yeah, and Earl Nightingale. That goes
back to the beginnings of my studies of this.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
It was really weird. I never heard Bob Proctor talk
about that until he wrote that, and the book is like, oh,
that's interesting. I never heard that story.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Well, if you're a viewer listener who has MS multiplesis hey,
there's hope and the hope lies within you.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Yeah, So what's really interesting. And working with a lot
of Parkinson's patients lately, and that's also really the building
the octating disease and when I get them into the
space of into their heart, their soul, their spirit, their essence,
I'll ask them a question, has your spirit ever told
you that you're incurable and the answer is always no,
(36:26):
because incurable doesn't come from spirit, the soul, the creator,
the infinite. It doesn't exist because that you are that
energy that has created this body, this planet, this galaxy,
the sun. So there's nothing impossible. Is It's like, are
you willing to trust yourself and do the stuff that
are necessary? And that's really that simple. My practice was very,
(36:50):
very simple, was I was sitting for five minutes today,
then eventually sitting five minutes twice a day today. I
still don't sit for a lot of Timely practice is
about ten minutes of just being present. Then realize I'm
here in body. I'm here to have the human experience.
I'm sure I can sit all day and be content
with that, but I'm incarnated in this body right now,
(37:13):
Let's go enjoy life. Let's go have fun. So that's
what I see now that we're here to enjoy life,
to celebrate life, not be shackled down by this pain body,
and we can dissolve this pain body. I can't say
for certain if you're DISEASEIB one hundred percent go away,
but I know within you, your spirit is encouraging you
(37:33):
to do this, to do that, to do this, to
do that. And if you keep doing those stuffs from spirit,
I suspect you can really turn most things around, if
not all things, if you have that implicit trust within yourself.
That's what is really unusual I hear from individuals is
that I had this implicit trust. Whatever I had that
(37:57):
impulse to do, I would do. I didn't doubt it. Well,
if I would doubt it for a second, but like,
all as well, we'll go do this, all as well,
we'll go do this, all as well, we'll go do this.
I just had this implicit trust. And when the min
way throw of doubts, I just come back to the
sensation that all as well, keep following, keep listening. It's
(38:22):
like hearing that voice saying do yoga. My mind was
a complete protest that you can't do yoga. Next day
I signed up for the unlimited part at the yoga studio. Well,
first I asked like, where's my yoga studio? And I
was I was working in corporate at that time, and
I was just driving the work and I just heard
your yoga studios there there. I just heard something like
(38:44):
there and there's the yoga studio there. Next day signed
up for the monthly eliminated. I didn't know the teachers
or anything. We'll just sign up and we'll go do
that and just trust. It's just an implicit trust.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Wow, that makes me want to go sign up for yoga.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Now, last time I tried to, I almost fell over
because I didn't have the balance.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
But yeah, you got to persistent and resilient.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Right, yeah, like like so when when I sign up
for yoga, I didn't have balance, And when I discovered
through yoga, if I was not here in this moment,
I would fall over. If I lost presents, I would
fall over. But if I stayed present, I wouldn't fall over.
But after six months of yoga, I didn't need the
cane anymore. I was no longer heat in tolerance. I
(39:30):
didn't need my cooling vest anymore. The no cooling vests,
no cane, and papered off quite a bit of medicine
after six months.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
You know this voice that you heard that says all
as well? And you just repeated that over which is beautiful,
is all as well?
Speaker 3 (39:48):
When is it coming from you?
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Say?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
From spirit? I mean, is that God?
Speaker 2 (39:53):
What do you is it?
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Just?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
How would you look at doesn't matter what you consider
the spirit to be, except that it's all that is.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Yeah, it's just all that is, All is one that
the mind likes the creator God as separate from us,
but it's actually we are that even the Bible says,
remain in the image and likeness of God. And what
is that same thing within all of us, spirit, soul, consciousness,
that which can't be seen. We all have that essence
within us that's animating this body. So we are that
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to the mind want to this division in separation, but
we're ultimately this one energy. And the way I like
to describe it like we're like all on the earth.
We can think of the earth as like the source
of consciousness, and we're all our unique flower coming from
the earth from consciousness, but we all come from that
same source, and we're all individual flowers connected to source.
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But ultimately we are one with Source.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
If we're spiritual beings having a human experience, that means
where we believe that we are separate from all that is,
And so our ego or the head, trash or monkey
mind is the belief of separation that wants to keep
us separated.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
And that's why it's going back all the time.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Yeah, I wants to keep this division. But I like
to say that we are spiritual beings having a spiritual
experience within a human body because we're always spirit, but
we forget we can never disconnect from who we are,
that we are spirit. But the mind can create a
lot of darkness, creating that sense of separation. But it's
really a belt once again, dissolving that darkness and amplifying
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your own light because it's always there shining bright. I
like to said, there is no dark night of the soul.
It's a dark night of the mind. Your soul is
the light itself. It cannot go dark. The mind is
sort of like a lampshade over your light. It's creating
this darkness over your light. But we start peeling away
those layers, those beliefs. That's what I do when working
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with people want to deepen their spiritual practice, remove their
current practice, and to start seeing where their biases, their shadows,
and that they're chronically sick. They have a lot of
darkness that we need to peel away and do these
practices to help them heal that away, to get to
see like why is that true? Why is that true?
(42:21):
Why is that true? And it reminds me of the
time when I was sitting with someone I was doing
in person in Pennsylvania. I had this event and I
had to stay with her for an extra two hours
after the event because I heard darkness instantly cleared away,
which happened instantly cleared away, And for the next two hours,
She's like, I took this as true. I took this
(42:41):
as true. I took this truth. She was historically laughing
to bring up all these stories that she took us
their truth and just saw how ludicrous they were and
just was laughing at everything. There were two hours I
had to help her get it back into her body
because she's just all these stories are just being disolved,
and is how they really get her back? Can ground
it and to know having this human experience, but it's
(43:05):
really interesting we get rid of that darkness of what
we think is what is possible when we thought was impossible.
That's really just whipping around to like nothing is impossible.
May require a lot of steps to turn it around,
but we can't do that. We just as Las suits said,
you know, journey of one thousand miles begins with that
single step. We're just taking these single steps all the time.
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That's all we're doing is is taking these steps.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
That that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
This lady was just releasing it all for two hours.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, Wow, that's that's incredible. I'm my mind is just
racing here. I mean, there's just so much going on here.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I've had one of the most well known teachers of
a course in miracles on the show, Gary Renard, author
of The Disappearance of the Universe and a couple other books,
And when he was talking about out the ego, and
he said, well, modern psychology, we many of them will say, well,
make friends with your ego and that way you can
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balance your life. But he made a very explicit point
that ego is not your friend.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
Yeah, your ego is your tool, your age, your helper.
So basically the egos typically hijacks our life. But really,
I don't really want to try to kill off the
ego because we're getting these divine insights to yoga. If
there was no mind, no ego, you can't do yoga,
you can't feed yourself, you can't do anything in life
without the mind and ego giving you those instructions on
(44:39):
how to do something. But usually the ego, the mind
is the master as opposed as your spirit, your soul
being the master. So we're not trying to kill off
the ego or the mind. We need it to function
in this world, and we don't. We just want to
see that it's a tool, that's an aid, it's a helper,
and I really don't want to judge, criticize anything because
(45:01):
that's just more head trash, and we want to quiet
the mind down and so realize we can look over
the term ego and just realize the brain, the mind
is here to help you function, but the instructions need
to come from a deeper place. And they have actually
even shown studies where you're drinking water before the mind
(45:22):
tells you you need to drink water. The mind is
already taking these steps before we're doing it. Like you're
drinking water, you had the impulse to drink water before
your mind decide to drink water. They have actually proven
that insigence. So the body's are already responding to things,
but the minds would get in the way of that.
But sometimes we're getting these deeper instructions and in a
(45:44):
way we have to convince the mind to do that.
You know, we're getting instructions to do yoga, the mind
will be in protests. We have to push through that.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
So now that you're in this place where you are
connected to all that is, letting go the head, trash.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
The monkey mine.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Are you do you? Are you able to channel higher
dimensional beings and angels, et cetera. Is it something that
you do now?
Speaker 4 (46:13):
Yeah, That's why I help people. When I'm working with
the individuals, I get my mind out of the way
and all the call it paneling. I just let spirit
drive and work through may. So when I'm working with
an individual, I'm actually merging with them in consciousness. Like
I said before, like the earth is like consciousness. We're
all different flowers. So work with an individual, I'm meeting
(46:35):
them in spirit and basically we're looking at their flower
and see where their flower needs attention. So if somebody
is having pain difficulties, I'll experience that pain and difficulties.
And about eighty percent of the people I'll feel that,
Oh I feel this pain in your low back. I
feel this, and it's I can't really explain it. Like
(46:55):
I got all sorts of interesting stories to share on this.
Like I was speaking to this Circle Miracles group and
after they afterwards we get through zoom. Because I was
doing this remote. This woman was talking about like, won't
go into Italy in a few weeks, but I'm having
this strange hip pain. My doctors don't know what's going on.
(47:16):
I'm like, okay, do you have a humanists can take
a look at this for you. And I worked with
her for literally two or three minutes, and I asked
her like, well, how your hip's feeling out. She's like,
they feel better then I heal here after her words
or Italian trips, She's like, I don't know what kind
of magic you did, but my hips weren't bothering me
in Italy. This is the great difficulties with miracles. There's
(47:41):
just none. But miracles are natural and we get that
mind out, by the way, and another story with that
working when this thing. One of the things I can
do is bring doctors in from the spiritual realms to
this lady schedule session with me, who's an older lady
sixty seventy, and she says, I'm scheduled for ritnees. I
really don't want right knee surgery. And it's like, all right,
(48:02):
let's see what we can do. So I got this
doctor's name, which is unusual for me, is I have
only gotten the doctor's name why specifically for an individual.
So I got this doctor's name, It's like, do you
know this doctor? She's like, Oh, that's my childhood doctor.
And I was making this joke that once a patient,
always a patient. So anyway, we're working on her and
(48:26):
to the stage she still hasn't had right knee surgery.
I can't explain it. I can't explain. So that's why
I do on my website offer these three many healing calls.
The one people to experience themselves because everything is spirit led,
so we really try to ignite your own spirit. I
want to give feel their own sense of what their
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spirit feels like. Some IM working with individuals they never
experienced themselves. They never experienced the deep piece of spirit.
And that's why I tried doing these sessions. And sometimes
these sessions I clear up that issue that they're having.
And usually sometimes I can clear that issue, but the
next day the mind will bring it back because the
(49:08):
pain body is addicted to pain. But sometimes I can
clear it and it's gone, but sometimes it will come
back in twenty four or forty eight hours. The mind's like, hey,
there's something missing here. Let's drag this back because we're
so addicted to that. Because with MS, you're addicted to
the stories that people have been doors for you. There's
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no expectations, so the mind drives back that. So it
wants to keep things familiar. So we just need to
keep peeling away the pain body. There's levels of difficulties
that we have, and it's a practice. So I have
a few ways, either you know, through my group or
working with people individually or for over a month or
(49:50):
two weeks, whatever happens to be. I'm sitting with them
every day remotely, and we're meeting on camera once twice,
three times a week, and we're just going through this
w because when I'm sitting remotely, I'm not doing like
a heavy heavy lifting because they don't know what they're
doing in that moment. I don't want to call it
any danger to them because her from individuals working on them,
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they'll see bright white light or something. Are the feel
people walking around they're being push poked. I can't explain it.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
We are talking to the miracle man, Baba Sam Shelley,
who who through his own process, cured himself from MS
and multiple other things. Let me ask you this as
we kind of wind down here. Does a person have
to have a catastrophe or a Catharsis in their life
(50:37):
to awaken their true, higher, healthier self to know that
all really is.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
Well well some people, there are some people that need
to have an experience to shake them out of their reality.
For me, it was a ghost sitting next to me
and being curious. Wayne Dyer called these quantum ships, like
I was in this belief and all go with MS
or in this belief where I can never do that,
and they walk away. They need to have this quantum shift.
(51:05):
And this is what I offer in my calls. Maybe
I can give them that quantum shift where they can
feel themselves or have an experience that challenge in their mind.
Maybe I'm working on them. They're dealing with this chronic
pain and it goes away and they're like, how does
that happen? And it causes a shift within them. So
some people do need to have this quantum shift, because
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I think ninety percent of the people out there need
to have this quantum shift to accept the spiritual realms
that there's something greater than that. Because look at MS migraines,
bipolar You'll find millions upon millions of article, videos, stories
of that this is incurable. Unless you have that quantum shift,
(51:47):
you're not gonna be able to step out of that story.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
One thing too, and I mentioned this in the intro.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
You know, the main question of this show is why
now are the people of the world awakening to all
things spiritual, meta, physics, learn enlightening.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
I mean this is occurring right now at this time
in human history.
Speaker 4 (52:05):
Well, there are more people waking up because there's more
information out there, there's more stories like myself that you know,
our diagnosis is not a permanent reality. Whatever you're going through,
doesn't that be your permanent reality. So it doesn't matter
if you're dealing with health, relationships, careers, one thousand and
one things that coul apparently be going wrong in the
human life that if you go within, you are the solution. Ultimately,
(52:29):
we're constantly seeking out salt teaking outside of ourself for
the answer forgetting that we are the solution that you being,
your spirit, your soul, your consciousness, connect to all that
is to dealing with relationship issues, career issues, finance issues,
the answers within you. We just got to get that
head trash out of the way.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah, well, Boba, Sam Shelley, I think that you are
offering hope for so many people who see or hear
this in what you do. Your website is braintrash dot.
Speaker 4 (53:02):
Com right beyond head trash.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Oh, beyond beyond head trash. I'm sorry, beyond here. I'll
put that link in there.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
Now. You do one on one coaching, and.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I saw that you also offer some meditation downloads and
other healing downloads. Do you ever do retreats or workshops?
Speaker 4 (53:21):
Well, I have my Vibrant Soul Society. So with my
Vibrant Soul Society, it's finaler for the first month. What
I do in there, I teach three classes a week
for the Interhaler School, so a different time on Tuesday
for my European aging clients, you know, Wednesday at different
time for europe Asian North America and Thursday, so three
different days, three different times every Tuesday at a time,
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Wednesday at a different time, and Thursday. So I can
cover the globe and then we can do either group coaching,
group sessions focused healing. But then I do have Wilson,
I have my one on one work the interhaler intensive
where I sit with you every day remotely and we
email each other back and forth every day, like I'm
experiencing this, Like I'll email somebody like I'm feeling a
(54:06):
lot of head congestion today, what's going on? Like, oh yeah,
my allergies are acting up. I can't explain that I'm
feeling with their feeling and I can experience what I'm
experiencing and they can tell me like this is what
I felt today. What's going on with you? What are
you experiencing that alps me focusing and when we're doing
remote healings like okay, we need more intense work on this.
(54:27):
When are you sleeping? When can I work on this?
Or do we need to go one on one so
I can do this work because you're just the flower
that needs attention, you know, coming from the source. We
just kind of fix the flower the body. And I
can't explain that. I just channel this energy, bringing these
doctors your spiritual team and allow these miracles to happen.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah. Really, And check out Baba Sam's website beyondhead trash
dot com. You can download his ebook I Don't Dwell,
which I did, and it's a fascinating read and I
still have more to read on it. Also, your podcasts
the same name, Beyond head Trash right, that's on YouTube
(55:10):
and an anywhere else.
Speaker 4 (55:12):
Yeah, my podcast is the Vibrant Soult Society the Conversations
because ultimately we want to see that we are greater
than our thoughts and beyond our thoughts. Beyond our head
trash is our vibrant fault, always eliminating the path, and
it's vibrant. It gives us all this energy to live
the life that we want to live, to have fun,
to enjoy life.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Well, this is just fascinating, beautiful stuff. You are doing
some beautiful, beautiful things for the world and for your
brothers and sisters. Boba Sam, thank you, my friend, for
being on the World Awakenings.
Speaker 3 (55:48):
Amazing.
Speaker 4 (55:49):
Thank you, Carl. I really enjoyed our conversation.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
This has been another episode of World Awakenings, The Fast
Track to Enlightenment with host Carl Gruber, a certified Law
of attraction life coach. We welcome you to tune in
to each and every episode of World Awakenings as we
open your mind, your heart, and your eyes to the
fact that the world's population is now more than ever
(56:27):
awakening to the truth of all things spiritual, metaphysical and enlightening,
and just how much they play an all important role
in our moment to moment daily life. Much love and
light to you, my friend, and thank you for tuning
into world awakenings.
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