November 23, 2025 • 58 mins
In episode 228 of World Awakenings: The Fast Track to Enlightenment, we meet with the "Queen of Dreams", Theresa Cheung. Theresa has been researching and writing about spirituality, dreams and the paranormal for the past twenty-five years. She has a degree from Kings College, Cambridge University in Theology and English and has written several international bestselling books, including her “Dream Dictionary from A to Z” which is regarded as a classic in its field. She has dedicated her life to researching and promoting the profoundly transformative and healing power of what is invisible, infinite, and unseen in our lives. Along the way she has collaborated with leading scientists and neuroscientists researching consciousness, and although she has written over 50 bestselling books, covering a huge variety of mystical topics, her newest book, “Night Born” is her first novel. Plus, Theresa hosts her own live radio show in the U.K. called, "The Healing Power of Your Dreams", and appears on multiple TV broadcasts in the United Kidom. Join host Karl Gruber and Theresa Cheung and find out just how important and significant your dreams are!
Make sure to get your copy of Theresa Cheung's new book, "Night Born". Just click this link.
Also, check out Theresa's classic best-seller, "Dream Dictionary from A to Z".
To find out more about Theresa Cheung go to her website https://www.theresacheung.com/
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Make sure to get your copy of Theresa Cheung's new book, "Night Born". Just click this link.
Also, check out Theresa's classic best-seller, "Dream Dictionary from A to Z".
To find out more about Theresa Cheung go to her website https://www.theresacheung.com/
Want to find out what's Earth's new reality is all about? Then check out New Reality TV.
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Hey everyone, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to yet another episode of
the show World Awakenings, The Fast Track to Enlightenment. I'm
your host, Carl Gruber, and in this episode number two
twenty eight, we continue to explore all things spiritual, metaphysical
and enlightening. Now, this has long been an area of
passion for me, as I bring that passion to know,
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I mean, really know what lay beyond our three D
world of form, to see if we as humans can
once in forever write above the chaos, judgment, attack, and
war we live and see on a daily basis. And
so it is that I invite you in to share
this journey on the road to knowledge, and don't forget
that you can now watch this show on the brand
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new TV network, New Reality TV. And thank you again
for joining us. All right, let's check in with today's guest,
Teresa Chung and she has been researching and writing about spirituality, dreams,
and paranormal for the past twenty five years. She has
a degree from King's College, Cambridge University in theology and
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English and has written several international best selling books which
we're going to talk about, and that includes her Dream
Dictionary from A to Z, which is regarded as a
classic in its field. Now her spiritual books have been
translated into over forty languages. Teresa has dedicated her life
to researching and promoting the profoundly transformative and healing power
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of what is invisible, more infinite and unseen in our lives.
Right in alignment with this show. Along the way, she
has collaborated with leading scientists and neuroscientists researching consciousness and
written a series of best selling books covering a huge
variety of mystical topics. And among her numerous books is
her newest one novel called night Borne, which we will
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be discussing. And with that, of course, Welcome Teresa, Welcome
to the world Awakenings.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Welcome Karl. What a joy to be here, and thank
you for inviting me. I love what you're doing new
reality and bringing laughter into this and showing people that
you know, what is invisible and unseen is just as
real as what we can see in touch. So thank
you for all you're doing. It's an honor to be here.
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I'm all the way from the UK, and it's lovely
to reach out to the US like this, So thank you.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, and wow, I like you already this but that
is great. Yeah, because you are in the United Kingdom,
which is five hours ahead of me here in the US,
so I.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Call up early everyone.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Well, and of course, Teresa, I have to ask you
what led you into the field of studying neuroscience, dreaming
on consciousness. Were you always interested in these things even
as a young girl.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Oh yes, I'm a dreaming being like everybody listening or watching.
You know, dreams have been endlessly fascinating to me. But
I guess I kind of had no choice ready because
I was born into a family of psychics and spiritualists
where dreamed of coding, mediumship, tarot card reading, astrology as above,
so below was considered normal and natural, but an alternative
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family back in the day. I was home educated too
and had the privilege. Still don't know how it happened.
I think angels must have been watching over me to
earn a place at King's College, Cambridge University to read
theology and English, and I studied all major world religions
then too, and became during my studies guess what many
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people are to day. I love all religions. I think
they're all beautiful, but I would say I'm spiritual, not
necessarily religious. But it gave me a chance to actually
understand my own upbringing and an awareness that although I
considered it normal to believe in a spirit world and
the possibility of life after death being real and dreams
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carrying great wisdom. Not everybody else thinks that, and certainly
back in the day, this was in the eighties. As
I said the buyer, you said at the beginning, must
be updated. I've been doing this for much more than
twenty five years. I keep saying that when I go
on shows, please update it, and it doesn't get updated.
I've been doing this for decades. I'm called the British
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Grand Dome of psychic in spiritual studies here by Women's
Health magazine. Anyway, I digress. So Cambridge, my belief in
the spiritual realm, the paranormal, that dreams matter was challenged
as never before, or as you can imagine, in a
kind of academic hothouse with skeptics and debates. But it
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was really good for me because it helped me here
are the points of view, argue my case, understand the
importance of science and bringing in psychology and how to
present this. And I guess the blessing of it was
that when I left, I was offered opportunity after opportunity
to write encyclopedias in this area, my first books in
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this area. Because I was actually a ghost writer for
Health and well being before for well known people, because
I love writing, that's my passion. But I was finally
offered an opportunity to write an element Encyclopedia of the
Psychic World by HarperCollins. So that was an at z
of everything paranormal. Can you imagine what a gift that was.
And this was in the day when it wasn't so
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mainstream as it is becoming now. And I loved it.
And it was four hundred thousand words, a hard back,
you know, like a by and they put it out
and it did brilliantly in book clubs. It went to
Bonds and Noble, and that led to a follow up,
twenty Thousand Dreams and Birthdays, And then I did a
series of angel books, which became Sunday Times bestsellers just
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by themselves, because my publisher didn't promote this kind of
material because they didn't quite know how to place it,
you know, in that time. As I said, it was
very skeptical time. But it sold very well because people,
of course are hungry to know about angel stories about
afterlife experiences and signs about near death experiences.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And I was.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Steadily putting out two to three books in this area
it's really funny. As you mentioned, my cats just jumped up.
So oh sorry, all right, okay, okay, this is endorsed
by my cat. Sorry. So anyway, I've been blessed. I
never take that for granted. I'm very, very blessed. To
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this day, I have steadily put out two books in
this area, often their introductory guides or encyclopedias, or story
collections of people who write to me and share their
paranormal experiences. I will edit it, put it together, my
own memoirs, my own experiences. I've collaborated with scientists and euroscientist.
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One of my most well known collaborations with doctor Julian Mossbridge,
who is one of the world's leading experts in presentiment,
which is sensing the future through your body, and in
the Premonition Code, the book we co authored, I put
the case for sensing the future in your dreams. This
is back in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, and I've just
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carried on writing about the Akashik records, about Taro, about
near death experiences, about angel signs, and this year alone
I had the blessing of having actually six books out,
but up until recently that's why I'm so excited to
talk to you. All. My books have been nonfiction. I
wanted to actually my passion is to mainstay dream the
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power of spirit in our lives and the wisdom of dreams.
And I figured one way to do that was to
write a novel for people who aren't necessarily drawn to nonfiction.
So I've really answered you're probably many questions there. I
do go on a tangent forgive me, because I do
quite a lot of interviews. But along the way, Actually,
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it was during the pandemic that I've suddenly started to
do media. Before that was I was very much an
invisible writer, really an academic researcher writer, just putting book
and book out, and I was quite comfortable in hiding.
But the universe had other plans. It said, Teresa, you've
done hiding, Come and shine. And from twenty twenty one onwards,
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ITV this morning over here in the UK, which is
a really big you know, it's national. It has many
American stars coming over. Actually I've bumped into many famous
movie stars and celebrities who've braced the sofas of this morning.
But they invited me to do a national dream call
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in because of the lockdowns, everybody was dreaming vividly and
it suddenly was trending for the first time online. I
had the weirdest dreams, so the producers thought, hey, let's
do a national dream call in. You know, they thought
it was a one off. I've done thirty seven of
those now.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
My last one was for Halloween Your Spooky Dreams call In,
where I was trying to help people understand don't fear
your nightmares, get excited about them. So that's been a
blessing and that's kind of propelled me to doing quite
astonishing media over here in the UK. I've done BBC
Sounds interviews with Nicky Campbell, his podcast, Different here, all sorts,
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but it's wonderful because I said, my passion throughout has
been to mainstream dream work. And thank you for the
opportunity to talk to you, because it's all part of
what I'm passionate about doing. Anyone who's willing to listen,
I want to talk to them about their dreaming mind
and what's invisible and unseen, and how to tap into
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their intuition and realize that there's more to them than
meets the eye.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I can I can say your passion is just about
this phenomenon. And gosh, you know, I've written a few books,
but nothing like you. I know, to crank out three hundred.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Now, excuse me. My dog can sense my passion. I'm
just going to have to pick him up.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
That's all right.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
We like youtubing because you'll probably get more hips with this.
Who is that's Arnold? Who is very needy dog Arnold?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
But you know, let me go back for a moment here.
I'm sure you probably never sleep, so you're busy, But
let's go back to when you were a kid.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
No, No, I do sleep. I really cherish my sleep.
It's where I do most of my work. Many books
have happened in the lucid dreaming state. In my sleep.
I brainstorm in my dreams, in cubate dreams. I do
a lot of my inn A therapy in keeping through
the dream state.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Well, I'm just curious. So, so you certainly grew up
in an alternative family in the UK that was open
all these psychic and metaphysical things and spiritual things. They
must have been hippies, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
A bit like that.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
My mother was a professional astrologer, went from place to
place difficult My mother was Dutch Indonesia and actually and
my father was British, but it was a family of
people who believed in life after death. You know, the
spiritualist community of spiritualist churches, which are beautiful places actually
because you get many humble mediums who are doing it
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not for ego or for fame, but every every week,
you know, trying to connect to the other side for
the people that attend the service. And I start was
attending these from the age of four or five. I
wasn't able to connect to the afterlife myself, but because
people I loved and trusted did or appeared to talk
to the other side or proof of survival if you
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want to call that, I had no reason to doubt it.
It was only as I grew up and I realized
that this was not normal really. But you know, everything's
come full circle because right now I believe that it
is normal because more people have had a paranormal experience
than have not. If you ask anyone in the street,
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have you had a dream that sort of played out?
Have you followed your gut instinct? Have you had an
afterlife sign or an afterlife dream that made you feel
that death ends are life, not a relationship. Almost three
out of four at least will have had something mysterious
and explained a synchronicity that played out and just made
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them feel I'm part of something bigger, and I love
the fact now that there are many visionary scientists studying
this and collecting all these stories as the data, so
they are in any other realm. This is data witness statements.
But what's actually it's showing is that it's actually normal
to have unexplained experiences. Listening and you think, well, I've
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never had one. You have every single night when you
fall asleep and dream. That's a paranormal experience, whether you
realize it or not. There is nothing random about your
dreams nothing, and scientific research, psychological research is proving that
as well, that dream recall is a sign of a
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very healthy, active, creative mind, where intuition and logic are
forming a bridge and giving you brainstorming answers to your
issues and your waking life.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
So would you classify dreams as psychological, spiritual or something
in between?
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Everything? Dreams are all of that. When I've wrote my
Hypercollins element in Psyclopedia of twenty Thousand Dreams, which was
then slimmed down a few years later to a more
accessible because it was again four hundred thousand words to
a more accessible you know paperback called the Dream Dictionary
eator Z, and that's still in print to day. It's
been in print since two thousand and six and constantly reissued.
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I started then very much because, as I said, it
was a different time and people weren't as open to
this kind of thing. Because like channels like yours and
the work you're doing, there's so many people now opening
minds to this. It's becoming much more mainstream. When I started,
I was very careful to present it as psychological and
to steer away from dreams being potentially prophetic. I had
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elements of it in there. But the more I've gone
on and when I've been able to revise this dictionary,
the more I am convinced that every dream has a
psychological element. You can interpret it that way, but you
can also see it as a precognition. It has pre
cognitive elements and also and dreams have the potential to
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connect you to the world of spirit. They are everything.
People trying to find dreams and it's almost like they're
laughing at us because it's like trying to define life itself.
You can't. And people think you can control dreams as well,
that if you lucid dream you can control them. You
can learn to navigate dreams, and you can get some signposts.
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But I always compare dreamwork to like if you're a sailor,
you can learn to sail on the ocean, but you
will never be able to control the ocean or know
everything about its mysterious steps, and the ocean will surprise
you constantly with new things and new experiences. In a
dream world is like that. There are certain guidelines that
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can really help you understand your dreams better and what
they are, but don't ever have the arrogance to think
you can define what a dream is. Scientists are fast
learning that they're getting much more comfortable, actually, modern scientists
with questions being the answers. If you know what I mean,
And the older I get, the more I feel that
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at our evolution is about getting comfortable with life being
a question mark and understanding that questions actually open your
mind your brain. Actually, brain scan show that when you
are given a question, your brain lights up. When you
get answers, it kind of shuts down a bit so
actually we're always we're seeking the wrong thing. We actually
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need to ask better questions, because every time we ask questions,
we evolve a bit more. And I think spirituality is
often just stop trying to find definitive answers or put
human qualities onto the world of spirit. It's not going
to get you very far. And it does frustrate me. Actually,
although it's wonderful on YouTube now and social media, you
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have all these wonderful people with these they're kind of
regurgitating these ancient spiritual truths, which if you study religion,
a lot of it's Buddhism and esoteric wisdom from the
ancients being reserved. But what does frustrate me is if
someone says I have the answer, this is the way,
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that's a clear red flag. Actually, the best spiritual teachers
are the ones who are humble and say, I don't know. Yeah,
here's what's worked for me, here's what I've learned. You
find what works for you, and let's work together to
make this a better, happier world.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
That's well said. I appreciate that now. I told you
earlier before we started recording that I'm a student of
a course in miracles and of course in miracles. The
modern spiritual guide of nondualistic spirituality clearly states that our
journey in the world of form in a body is
completely an illusion, a dream, if you will. So, whether
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we're a sleeper or awake, both are actually just a dream.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Talking to the right person, I'm a brit And what
did Shakespeare say? We are the that dreams are made
on even centuries ago they knew that, and we you know,
we've all and studies show actually that in the dream state,
the mind doesn't know that it's a dream. It thinks
it's real. Isn't that fascinating? So if actually, if you
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experience something in a dream state, it shows that your
mind believes you're capable of it, Which is why I
encourage people to incubate dreams of them being happy, successful
and fulfilled and doing what they love, because actually, if
you can do it in the dream state, when you
wake up, your brain believes it's possible for you. And
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you would well know, Carl, the power of believing, fully
believing from the inside out that you are worthy and
something is possible and doable for you. If you can
dream it, you can do it, But yes, I mean sometimes,
I mean I often find that actually the older I get,
I don't know if it's a sign of aging, the
more my waking life feels more dream like than my
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dream life. And especially when I'm on the set of
ITV this morning, I can tell you that's a waking dream.
You know, it's like you get this, It's like what
is going on? But yeah, I do encourage people with
my who work with me with their dreams, that when
they've got some basic dream decoding skills, that they learn
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to understand their dream symbols, the language of emotion that
dream speaks in to to sort of get some understanding
of their dreams, to actually apply those tools also to
their waking life because this helps them live life on
a deeper level. Because nothing then is what it seems.
You don't take things literally. You start looking, am I projecting?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Here?
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Is this about my mindset? Does this belong to me
or someone else? What's the deeper meaning? And then life
becomes so magical because nothing then feels random. You know something,
you notice, a song, you over hear, something that crosses
your path, someone you bump into, what you see, Everything
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becomes rich with meaning. So I think that's rather a
beautiful way to live your life. Actually, to start interpreting
it in the same way as if it was a
dream and look beneath the surface all the time. It
will help your relationships with other people as well. You
will know that what they say isn't often what they're feeling.
There's layers to everyone and everything, and it makes life
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really interesting. You also are able to rise above because
you don't take things personally anymore. You understand that so
much of what's going on is your perception, and you
can change your perception that when someone's unkind or hurtful
to you, you know that's often how they're speaking to themselves.
It's not about you, it's about them. It really helps
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you dream work. Have that understanding that you get to
choose your mindset, and that's why dream works powerful, because
when you fall asleep and dream, you get a watson
or honest snapshot from your nocturnal intuition of what your
current mindset is currently attracting into your life. Because when
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you're awake, often are the noise and the distraction of
the world obscures what we unconsciously, truly at our core,
believe about ourselves. We often tend to lie to ourselves
or not tell the truth, or push things away we
don't like to face, you know, get distracted. I often
think that dreams are like thoughts of the heart. Your
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heart notices things that are important for your personal growth
in the day, but logic, reason, your conscious mind just
noise and stress block that out. So then when you
fall asleep, all the noise and stress of the material
world quietons, allowing your heart, which is your intuition, your soul,
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to talk to you. But it talks to you in
this very bizarre language of symbols and emotion. And that's
where a lot of people stumble, because they want the
dreaming world to be as literal as the material world.
And you've got to get over that hurdle. You've got
to learn your dream speak. And someone who's struggling with that,
I do tell them to just go and do a
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mini course or read a book about how to interpret
a poem, because a poem, when you first read it, it
doesn't make sense. Well, the best poems don't make sense.
In fact, every time you read them, they completely confound you.
It's like great works of art. And then you have
to look at that work of art or that poem
and apply certain techniques symbols, metaphors, associations, puns, figurative language,
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pathetic fallacy, all these things to get to the deeper meaning.
Nothing in a poem or a great work of art
is what it seems, And that is exactly I always
think your dreaming mind is a bit of a frustrated
poet artist. Poets and arts is a language of visionaries.
Visionaries throughout history, you know, they were very in tune
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with their dreams. A great artist, salvad Or Dahl, great
scientist Einstein got so mean a theory of relativity came
to him, you know, in a vision and a dream,
because he simply couldn't make that leap, that connection between
two unconnected things. In the waking state. It was almost impossible,
because logic and reason always say impossible. But in the
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dream state, of course, everything is possible, which allows you
to make connections with different areas of your life or
other people's lives that you simply can't when you're awake.
That's why the dreaming state is so powerful for creativity.
And I say to anyone listen listening who feels they're
having a bit of a creative block. Just write down
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your last dream. You don't have to understand it, don't
try and understand it. Simply writing down your last dream
will light up your intuition and your creativity and then
create the Einstein bridge between the logical part of your brain.
We need to connect these two parts of our brain.
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The problem is we just as we separate our dream
life from our waking life. I'm on a mission to
show they are one and the same. They need to flow,
They need to connect all the time, and stop separating
them because you need both need each other. You know,
I see in this movement time and time again people
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who have got so into the spiritual message, so in
love with it, that they literally become boundary less and
they lose practical application. We're on this, We're in this
Earth school for a reason, and we need to, you know,
be practical as well. Practical is not evil. It's necessary
to help us implement our great ideas and inspiration. It's
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the balance, and dream work can help you get that balance.
If you feel disconnected from your soul during the day,
just start thinking more about your dream life, writing them down,
playing around with the meaning. Don't think there's a definitive answer.
Stop doing that. Just enjoy beautiful symbolism and vision of
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your dreams showing you that you are connected to source,
that you are part of something greater, that there is
a part of you completely free and liberated from the material.
Just enjoy that. When you start enjoying that, your dreams
start really really start rejoicing, and then they repay you
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by sending you even more and more vivid dreams, dreams
that can help you really stress, dreams that can help
you brainstorm, dreams that foreshadow.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Wow, this is just phenomenal information. I'm trying to absorb
it all. I like this question. Is there any difference
between consciousness and dreaming or are they the same thing?
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I think we never switch off. We are awake twenty
four to seven. A lot of people shocked by that,
because actually, if I've been to sleep slabs, because I
work with sleep psychologists and specialists and scientists, and when
you watch people sleep, they are constantly moving, they're still sometimes,
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but then when they're dreaming, their eyes are going backwards
and forwards because the brain is awake, the body's fidgeting.
We don't sleep to rest. Rest doesn't occur in the
dream state. What then, is the reason for sleep. Science
still hasn't got a handle on why we sleep. They
have their theories. They know we need to for hormoneal
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release and things like that, but the traditional belief that
we sleep to rest, even traditional scientists is now knowing
that's no longer the case. We are still active, we
are our spirit is still busy in the dreams. Our
body is vigeting, and there is a school of research
now which is showing that regular dream recall not only
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is a sign of an active brain, it can actually
keep anxiety in stress at bay, which is very interesting.
But also there are some scientists who believe that the
reason we sleep, and I love this, it's so poetic
and beautiful, is because we actually need to dream. The
purpose of sleep is to get us to dream. So
you could think of it like plugging in your phone
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at night to charge. We need to go back to soul.
We need to just have a reminder of our soul.
It's like plugging in back to souce. You know. That's
why sleep is sacred, and I encourage people listening to
treat their sleep with absolute like a sacred ritual. It
is prepare for it because you're going to meet your
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soul in the dream state. Your body is going to recalibrate,
and as the would have said, you are reborn and
you every single morning, every single morning is a chance
to dream again, make different choices, change your mindset. And
if you wake up with a dream on your mind
that is disturbing and shocking and toxic, and guess what
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chances you are you will because research shows that over
ninety percent of our dreams are anxiety themed. And that's
a line of modern times because we are so outside
in at the moment, bombarded with stresses and to dos,
don't panic, turn that fear into excitement. You are being
given a kind of heads up. Look right now, here's
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your mindset. Now if you're into the manifesting trend, this mindset,
if you carry on without making a change and how
you think, how you feel, what you do, and what
you say, just make us. If you don't make a change,
you are going to attract the energy of the mindset
you're dreaming about. So think of it as an opportunity
to course correct if you wake up with a nightmare
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or a disturbing dream, and an opportunity to evolve because
your dreaming mind is saying, look, you are clinging onto
a mindset that may have served you in the past,
but right now that mindset need to be released with compassion.
It's becoming toxic, it's not serving you anymore. Let it go.
And your dream is showing you that all the time.
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All the time, the dream is showing you disturbing dreams
are showing you that you need to shed skins and
spiral rather than circle. A lot of us in our
lives we circle. We keep doing the same things all
the time. And if you're having lots of dreams that
are anxiety themed, nightmarish, Oh, it's so exciting. It's your spirit,
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your soul saying I want to grow. You know of
the chains, the mindsets that are dragging you down, the
relationships that are not serving you. Let go of people
who aren't on your vibration. You need to elevate, expand
and embody a new verse of yourself. And look, every
morning there's an opportunity to do that. Perceptionist reality that
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is so much the case. What we believe about ourselves
is what we tend to attract, and that's hard. If
you've grown up in a family where you weren't encouraged
to love yourself or take care of yourself, or you
had an abusive background. A lot of people have a
tough journey, but actually it's a golden opportunity to accelerate
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your personal growth if you do come from a very
difficult background and trying to put a positive spin on it,
because you therefore have an opportunity in this lifetime to
evolve dramatically. I often actually do feel sorry for people
who were born in very easy, excessively wealthy circumstances, and
that's why a lot of them are deeply unhappy because
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they haven't got that personal challenge. They don't need to,
you know, because everything's done for them. And that's why
you're often seeing people who are excessively work and privileged.
Deep unhappiness shouldn't be, should it, Because if the world,
you know what the world tells us that money, appearance, looks, popularity,
success is everything. Why these people have been so deeply unhappy,
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and it's because they haven't done the soul work. They're
not reconnecting to their dream that inner world urgently needs
to find fulfillment.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Well, I just wanted to remind people if you just
tuned in we are talking to the amazing Teresa Chung
from the UK. She's got a radio show. We'll talk
about that too. She's got numerous books. I do want
to give you an opportunity to talk about your brand
new novel called night Borne, and let's find out what
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is this about. I've been reading some of it, I'll
be honest, I haven't had a chance to read the
whole thing. That's pretty interesting.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Well would it? Basically? I noticed from my daughter who
eats book books romances, you know, she literally is a
book she's never and there are a lot of people
like that who absolutely but they're all fiction. And if
I suddenly thought, well, if I can't get my own
daughter to read one of my dream books, right, I
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need to do what I say in my books, get
out of my comfort zone and try a different approach.
Because there are people who are going to be drawn
to nonfiction books, right, and we'll purchase them. But we
live in a time now where our reading habits are
changing and there's a younger generation growing up. And I thought,
I'm going to distill all my dream wisdom what I've
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learnt through you know, five or more decades now of
dream research into a thriller, a page turner, a story
which I and early reviews on Goodreads. I've been blown
away by them. Thank you for everyone who's reviewed it
saying it's addictive, it's a page turn so people are
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enjoying it on that level. It's very out there, it's
very weird, it's very unexpected and deliberately so people are
calling it a thriller that messes with their mind. And
that's exactly what I want. Because people are writing to
me and saying after reading it or even seeing the
cover and are hold the cover up. It's creating a
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visceral reaction and they are waking up with dream recall.
Because what you focus on in the day, or what
you notice in the day, your intuition notices, will show
up in your dreams at nights. I love that. So
the book is almost taking on a dreamlike, haunted quality
of its own. Just by looking at the cover or
reading it, people are thinking about their dreams suddenly waking
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up to the potential of them. And so basically what
you get is you get a thriller, but also a
crash course in dream decoding without realizing it. Because all
the characters in the novel are Jungian psychologists, dream decoders,
or very deep thinkers, or people going through personal transition
and wondering how their dreams are going to help them
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find the answer to the meaning of life or what matters.
And it is a very high stakes novel, Nightburn, and
I'm loving the reaction because it's surprising people and that's
a mark of a dream. It will surprise you if
a dream, every dream should surprise you the meaning. If
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you come to a meaning of a dream, it will
surprise you. Dreams aren't in the business of telling you
what you already know, right, they will tell you something
you don't know. They're always trying to expand you, evolve you.
And that's exactly what Nightbourne is. It's a very easy read.
It's a short novel. It's not a hefty tone. I'm
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not going to win the Booker Prize with It is
not weighty dialogue or descriptions. But it is in the
style of Dan Brown, whose Secret of Secrets is doing
so well. And by the way, my co author for
The Premonition Code, Julian Mossbridge, the neuroscientist, is mentioned in
the Secret of Secrets because of her research she refers
to her experiment which we referred to years back in
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the Premonition Code about you know, sensing the future ahead
of time. So and I thought, well, I wanted it
from a woman's perspective, Nightborn, but that doesn't mean to
say men are enjoying it just as much. It is
a ride, I'm telling you, it is a real addictive
thriller ride. And I'm I'm blown away. Not one of
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my books has had so many arresting, deeply insightful, deeply
thoughtful reviews on good Reads, which I love because Goodreads
is the site for people who are really into books.
And of course it would because this year I had
five other books out. I'm very blessed. I had a
book on the Akashic Records. I had a book on rituals.
I had a book on Dreaming of Your Future, where
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I laid out the science of precognition again. And actually
that book was reviewed in the Society for Psychical Research.
That's another first for me, that time honored institution founded
by scientists and psychologists. They did a five page, really
glowing review on it. So I'm very very proud of that.
I also wrote a book about intuition and so many
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books came out this year, but they were non fiction.
So it proved my point with Nightbourne writing a novel
because you know, at the moment, with Stranger Things about
to drop, with the Conjuring Universe, breaking box office records,
with last rites, with I think top ten on Netflix
as an animation in your dreams, people are hungry for
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this material, and I truly hope if you are hungry
to understand your dreaming mind, but you just cannot be
bothered to read a kind of worthy footnote and referencing
the science nonfiction book, which I have done in the past,
and you just want to be also to dream with
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your eyes wide open through a story, because let's face it,
whenever you read a novel, you're dreaming with your eyes
wide open. You're practicing the dream state, and that why
is that powerful? I often tell people who are struggling
with poor dream recor read a novel, analyza poem, look
at great art, listen to music. What I was talking
about uniting the intuitive and the logical part of your brain.
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Every time you listen to music that gives you goosebumps,
you are practicing dreaming with your eyes open. And what
you do during the day. Dreams are very current will
show up in your dreams at night. So give your
dreams food to work with. Think of your day as
I'm going to get all sorts of nourishments so that
I get a spectacular, wild and wonderful dream that's going
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to really accelerate my personal psychic and spiritual growth. Think
of it like that, and nightfall will help you do that.
And music plays a part in that in Nightbourne as well.
Recommend enough too is the theme that is referenced strongly
in Nightbourn and all for a reason. I don't know
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what's going to happen with this. People say it should
be a screenplay. I dream big. Why not? I can
see it there. Wouldn't that be wonderful to get the
whole world waking up with dreams and gratitude for them
on their mind because they will know then that they
are spiritual or dreaming beings having a human experience, Because
where do you go when you dream? Psychic experience? Sometimes
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some of the dreams these stories are so compelling. You
experience things in dreams that you think, how did that happen? Well,
it happened because it's from spirit.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Well I have to tell you, many years ago, I
used to work in a used bookstore, and I can
tell you that novels are way more popular than most
any their genres. I mean, it was incredible how many
novels we sold. Now I wanted. The one theme in
Nightborne that I find really interesting is that possibly some
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global power has learned how to manipulate humans dreams. I mean,
do you do you think that seemed really possible?
Speaker 4 (40:22):
It is very possible through subliminal flashes, things that we
see online, to implant a dream seed. Yes, there is
research to show it is possible. As I said, your
dreams take material from your waking life, and if someone
came This is the theme of Nightborn. Would you know
if your dreams were hacked? And if you had the
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power to hack a nation's dreams, you own them from
the inside out. Would we reach a time when it's
not enough for global powers, billionaires, politicians to own us
from the outside in through the messaging they give. What
if they suddenly find out how to get people from
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the inside out? So a dream would inspire people to
do something nefarious, say something because they had experienced it
in a dream, and the dream was so powerful it
called them to do something. Yes, this is what night
One explores, and I think it could could potentially happen. Yeah,
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dream hacking. I mean this was explored in that wonderful
movie Inception. People are saying Night Onorn's a bit like
Black Mirror meets Inception. It is that, but I've taken
it to the extreme, but for a reason, because I
want people who read it to dream big, to not
limit themselves, because that's what dream work gives you. If
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you really do your dream work, you know which is
you know, incubate a dream, write it down in the morning,
brainstorm it, and then the next night continue and treat
your dreams like a series. I'll understand that you are
capable of anything. You are infinite possibility. You will find
that courage that maybe other ways of doing personal psychic
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and spiratual growth aren't doing it, like affirmations or maybe
even meditation, because when you do that, you're awake your
conscience and you've got the noise and distraction of the
conscious world making it harder for you. And I always
say with manifesting, for example, if you go on these
courses where they give you affirmations and you have to
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raise your vibration. You do all these healings and meditations visualizations, Well,
guess what a lot of people can't visualize. I've found
that out in my travels as well, that a lot
of people. You know, there's so much emphasis on visualization
in the self help movement. What about all these people
myself included, who when they close their eyes it's blank.
Because not everybody can form mental images. But they can
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do it in other ways. And I talk about this
again in Nightmaren. You can do it through talking to yourself,
through describing, through emotion, through sensations. But if you're doing
your manifesting that way and you're not getting results, it's
because you haven't started at the core. As I said,
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your dreams are the truth of you, The absolute, honest
dreams don't lie truth of you. Your dreams will give
you a nightly report of your current mindset and what
you truly believe about yourself, others, and life, whether and
some of that may not be nice. You've got to
overcome the fear and have compassion for aspects of yourself.
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But another great thing about dream work is it encourages
you to go into that observer role because when you
analyze a dream, you kind of look in the third
person at it. Studies show again, I love to quote
studies that whenever you think about yourself in the third person,
for some reason, you are more compassionate. When we do
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things in the I. You know all these affirmations, I
am worthy, I am enough, great, great, great. But for
some reason, when it's the eye, a lot of us,
maybe it's through conditioning, we struggle with that self compassion.
But in dream work you go into that third person
observer role and you start having more compassion for yourself
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and self awareness. And when you've got self awareness and
self compassion, you are so close to self belief. It's
just it's just natural. It just happens naturally. I think
dream work is the most neglected manifesting personal growth tool
out there. It's never just a dream. It's your nocturnal intuition,
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free from the material world and distraction and ego, talking
to you about what really matters and what you really
need to pay attention to in your in your waking
life and in our waking life. You see, we deny repress,
We don't notice what our intuition wants us to notice,
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but we can notice it in the dream state. As
it said, dreams are thoughts of the heart.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
I do like you talking about the observer effect. One
thing that I've learned as a spiritual student. We're taught
to what they call rise above the battle ground and observe.
So yes, when you're in a third person, yes, you're
more compassionate, you're less judgmental, and you're just looking at
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it objectively.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Yeah. And as I said that, it's backed up by
psychological research, and it's interesting. Actually, I'm sure you're familiar
with future self work. This is very familiar. Similar when
you kind of like connect with your future self as well,
think about the person you will be tomorrow and have
loving thoughts for the person you are tomorrow, because this
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makes you realize that your soul exists independent of physical time,
and that time is time is not linear. And for example,
I know that at some point, maybe this evening tomorrow,
I will reflect back on this interview. So if time
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isn't linear, tomorrow self futures that already hear, so I
greet it with compassion and love and respect, And I
just think that's so beautiful. We have this idea of
ourselves independent of who we are at this moment in
time as having a kind of a long body over time,
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connecting to all aspects of ourself across time, and having
compassion for all those aspects of ourself because they're all
part of the wonderful, complex, expansive, visionary soul. They're all
part of our soul's journey. And actually, when you start
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thinking about the future as well in this observational way again,
research shows your brain just lights up. Eleven areas of
the brain light up when you think about your future self.
You imagine your future self being happy and fulfilled. In
contrast to when you think about your present and your
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past self, only about five areas of the brain light up.
Think on that. Your brain wants you to think ahead
of time. Your brain wants you to time travel. Your
brain wants you to seek meaning all the time, because
that's the natural flow the DNA of the brain. Isn't
it sad that we are taught often at schools to
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go against this natural predilection of the brain, which is
to seek meaning, to time travel, to make connections. That's
what the brain wants to do. The brain wants to dream. Decode.
Your brain when you wake up, its crying out for
you to reflect on your dream and try and make
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meaning out of it. That's what it's meant to do.
The mysterious butterflies of the brain, they want to make
connections for you. They want to seek meaning. And every
time you say to yourself nonsense, illogical, oh, just imagination,
the worst words. I want a mission to obliterate just
a dream. Your brain size, your brain doesn't like it.
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A healthy brain wants to be expansive, wants to be visionary,
wants to connect their intuition with their logic, wants to
seek meaning in everyone and everything all the time, not
just you know, for your allotted meditation, but twenty four
to seven, that's the visionary brain. And just go and
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read some biographies of Einstein and you will see how
a vision brain works. And actually there's been research to
show that Einstein's brain when they studied it, you know,
it was smaller than most brains, but the bridge between
the intuition and logic, there's a technical term, was really strong.
Isn't that interesting? The Einstein bridge?
Speaker 3 (49:19):
It's called Wow. Talking to Teresa Chung, We've got just
a few more minutes here, just incredible information. I'm going
to have to go back and watch this fifty or
sixty times.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
But it's all in there much more fun way, and
you can get carried away on an adventure.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
This real quick. So maybe you can do this in
a minute or two. What's the difference between lucid dreaming
and regular dreaming?
Speaker 4 (49:48):
Oh, well, lucid dreaming. There's a lot of attention on
that because it's kind of like the Superstar of the
dream world. It's you know, the movie Inception showcased it
so brilliantly, that movie with Leonardo DiCaprio. It's when you're
in a d and you suddenly know you're dreaming. Why
is that so powerful? Well, what all I've been saying.
If you do happen to become lucid in a dream,
and you probably did when you're a child, obviously, why
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because when you're a child, it's so much easier for
you to suspend disbelief. When you get older, logic and
reason immediately block that possibility. But when you are if
that does happen to you again, and if you start
regularly recalling your dreams and paying attention to your dreams,
you will naturally lucid dream more. It will just happen
when it happens. Don't panic, stay calm, and please, when
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you become lucid and you're aware that you're dreaming, call
into the dream what you want to experience in your
waking life. Right see yourself flying, singing, dancing, being happy
and fulfilled. Please call in what you want to manifest,
because when you wake up, you've dreamt it. Your dreaming mind,
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you're my Your waking mind has experienced it. It doesn't
know the difference between the dreams and reality, so therefore
it thinks it's possible for you. And whenever you think
something's possible, that's when it starts to happen. And it's
when you start to raise your vibration and attract it.
But don't get hung up on lucid dreaming. You know
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being the holy Grail, and you know, if I don't
lucid dream, I'm a failure. A lot of people can't
lucid dream. There are techniques to activate it. I don't
recommend them because they interview interfere with healthy sleep. Only
do it when you're on holiday or at the weekend.
It involves waking up early, sitting up for about twenty minutes, journaling,
going back to sleep, because in the early hours of
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the morning, you're much more likely to become lucid because
that's when you're more in rem But I wouldn't recommend
it because sleep is so important for your holistic wellbeing.
But every single dream in fact, in nightballne we don't
even talk about lucid dreaming because most people can't achieve
that state without going to a monastery or something. Ninety
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nine percent of our dreams are symbolic and potentially precognitive foreshadowing.
They are just as awesome, they are just as powerful.
They are doing the night shift every night for you,
trying to show you things which you need to notice
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in your waking life because they matter, because they are
what will bring you true fulfillment. But for some reason,
you're just skirting over them, you're avoiding them, you're running
away from them, or you're not or you're denying them
in your waking life. So every night, your dreams are
like your best friend or you're in a therapist. They
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will show you things sometimes that are harsh or unpleasant
about yourself, but they're not doing that to judge or
criticize at all. They're just holding up a mirror to
your mindset for your growth, so you can then identify.
You know, if you don't know what's blocking you, how
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can you change make a change. They're just it's like
think of it like a school report card that you
get every night. You get a report card on you,
where you are right now and what actually what relationship,
what situation, what habit? What mindset is? Most often mindset?
What mindset needs to change, needs to shift, because when
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you create an inner shift, that's when the outer shift happens.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Well, Teresa, We're gonna have to wind up here. And
I only ask like a quarter of the questions I had.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
This is just right. I talk too much? Is because
I said, I've been around for a long time, and
I just laugh.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Well, I just encourage people to go get a copy
of her amazing novel, A night Borne It is. It
is a page turner. And also your popular show in
the UK called The Healing Power of Dreams. I'm Madge,
people anywhere in the world could probably go online and
listen to that too.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
You for mentioning that, Yes, this summer I was asked
to host my own radio show on UK Health Radio,
which was an awesome opportunity because UK Health Radio it's
an independent radio station but been running twelve years and
it's close to two million global listeners now, but it
mainly focused on mental and physical wellbeing. But thank the Lord,
the founders are beginning to understand you know what you're
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talking about, Carl, and you know wonderful work that you're
doing that Soul is part of the holistic wellbeing equation.
So they've offered me a weekly live show and I
find that incredibly stressful. Actually I didn't realize. I love
the pre records that I do for my White Shaw's podcast,
which is still running as well. If you just want
a more gentle, relaxed because The Healing Power of Your
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Dreams is a live weekly show where I have a
special guest like I've had Evan Alexander, Charlie Morley, Claire Johnson,
Dean raid In people like that coming on. I've got
Laurie Loewenberg. It's every Wednesday live, so it's quite difficult
because the timing is three to four pm London, UK
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or Greenwich meantime, you know, because our clocks have changed
now we're not British summertime. But it's three to four
pm every Wednesday. But the founders said, look, we're going
to do this show. We do it live. And a
wonderful thing about the show is about halfway through there's
a zoom that opens and listeners can join the conversation.
Now it's wildly unexpected. It's terrifying because we don't know
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who's going to drop in. But I love that because
sometimes in this movement people are very isolated, and I've
loved the fact that sometimes other experts have jumped in
to the conversation and surprised an old friend on there,
or people can just join it and say, look, I
had the weirdest dream, help me understand it. But as
I said, it is scary because when you book a
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special guest, and especially if they're American, which are a lot
of these visionary scientists colleges are, I'm terrified they won't
show up, and I think, oh my goodness, I'm gonna
have to talk for an hour. But so far they
all have Laurie, you're here this Wednesday, so please show up.
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But yeah, it's fun, So I do that, and of
course I'm ITV this morning. I do the National Dream Decoding,
where they open the phone lines to the nation and
share your Teresa where I'm kind of like a dream
agony aunt.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
This sounds amazing, but really we really do have to
stop here.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
But one last thing, real quick to see that's the trouble.
I know something's great, Carl, credit to you. When time
I'm usually very conscious of the time. At these I've
completely lost track of time. So that's that's down to you.
Speaker 3 (56:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (56:49):
I know something even sent when time just vanishes, which
it just happens.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
Your website. What's your website.
Speaker 4 (56:55):
Too, ww dot tersachun dot com or you can find
me on Instagram at the Teresa Chung. I'm also on
x and Facebook, but I have to figure out those
platforms and they kind of keep changing. I am on
there so you can message me there as well.
Speaker 3 (57:11):
You are so fun. I love it. Thank you, Teresa.
Thank you for an amazing conversation. I love it.
Speaker 4 (57:17):
Thank you so much. And sweet dreams everyone, well, actually
not so sweet because we don't learn in our comfort zone.
Wild and wonderful dreams. Everyone, there we go.
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Hey everyone, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to yet another episode of
the show World Awakenings, The Fast Track to Enlightenment. I'm
your host, Carl Gruber, and in this episode number two
twenty eight, we continue to explore all things spiritual, metaphysical
and enlightening. Now, this has long been an area of
passion for me, as I bring that passion to know,
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Teresa Chung and she has been researching and writing about spirituality, dreams,
and paranormal for the past twenty five years. She has
a degree from King's College, Cambridge University in theology and
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English and has written several international best selling books which
we're going to talk about, and that includes her Dream
Dictionary from A to Z, which is regarded as a
classic in its field. Now her spiritual books have been
translated into over forty languages. Teresa has dedicated her life
to researching and promoting the profoundly transformative and healing power
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of what is invisible, more infinite and unseen in our lives.
Right in alignment with this show. Along the way, she
has collaborated with leading scientists and neuroscientists researching consciousness and
written a series of best selling books covering a huge
variety of mystical topics. And among her numerous books is
her newest one novel called night Borne, which we will
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be discussing. And with that, of course, Welcome Teresa, Welcome
to the world Awakenings.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Welcome Karl. What a joy to be here, and thank
you for inviting me. I love what you're doing new
reality and bringing laughter into this and showing people that
you know, what is invisible and unseen is just as
real as what we can see in touch. So thank
you for all you're doing. It's an honor to be here.
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I'm all the way from the UK, and it's lovely
to reach out to the US like this, So thank you.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, and wow, I like you already this but that
is great. Yeah, because you are in the United Kingdom,
which is five hours ahead of me here in the US,
so I.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Call up early everyone.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Well, and of course, Teresa, I have to ask you
what led you into the field of studying neuroscience, dreaming
on consciousness. Were you always interested in these things even
as a young girl.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Oh yes, I'm a dreaming being like everybody listening or watching.
You know, dreams have been endlessly fascinating to me. But
I guess I kind of had no choice ready because
I was born into a family of psychics and spiritualists
where dreamed of coding, mediumship, tarot card reading, astrology as above,
so below was considered normal and natural, but an alternative
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family back in the day. I was home educated too
and had the privilege. Still don't know how it happened.
I think angels must have been watching over me to
earn a place at King's College, Cambridge University to read
theology and English, and I studied all major world religions
then too, and became during my studies guess what many
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people are to day. I love all religions. I think
they're all beautiful, but I would say I'm spiritual, not
necessarily religious. But it gave me a chance to actually
understand my own upbringing and an awareness that although I
considered it normal to believe in a spirit world and
the possibility of life after death being real and dreams
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carrying great wisdom. Not everybody else thinks that, and certainly
back in the day, this was in the eighties. As
I said the buyer, you said at the beginning, must
be updated. I've been doing this for much more than
twenty five years. I keep saying that when I go
on shows, please update it, and it doesn't get updated.
I've been doing this for decades. I'm called the British
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Grand Dome of psychic in spiritual studies here by Women's
Health magazine. Anyway, I digress. So Cambridge, my belief in
the spiritual realm, the paranormal, that dreams matter was challenged
as never before, or as you can imagine, in a
kind of academic hothouse with skeptics and debates. But it
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was really good for me because it helped me here
are the points of view, argue my case, understand the
importance of science and bringing in psychology and how to
present this. And I guess the blessing of it was
that when I left, I was offered opportunity after opportunity
to write encyclopedias in this area, my first books in
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this area. Because I was actually a ghost writer for
Health and well being before for well known people, because
I love writing, that's my passion. But I was finally
offered an opportunity to write an element Encyclopedia of the
Psychic World by HarperCollins. So that was an at z
of everything paranormal. Can you imagine what a gift that was.
And this was in the day when it wasn't so
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mainstream as it is becoming now. And I loved it.
And it was four hundred thousand words, a hard back,
you know, like a by and they put it out
and it did brilliantly in book clubs. It went to
Bonds and Noble, and that led to a follow up,
twenty Thousand Dreams and Birthdays, And then I did a
series of angel books, which became Sunday Times bestsellers just
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by themselves, because my publisher didn't promote this kind of
material because they didn't quite know how to place it,
you know, in that time. As I said, it was
very skeptical time. But it sold very well because people,
of course are hungry to know about angel stories about
afterlife experiences and signs about near death experiences.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And I was.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Steadily putting out two to three books in this area
it's really funny. As you mentioned, my cats just jumped up.
So oh sorry, all right, okay, okay, this is endorsed
by my cat. Sorry. So anyway, I've been blessed. I
never take that for granted. I'm very, very blessed. To
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this day, I have steadily put out two books in
this area, often their introductory guides or encyclopedias, or story
collections of people who write to me and share their
paranormal experiences. I will edit it, put it together, my
own memoirs, my own experiences. I've collaborated with scientists and euroscientist.
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One of my most well known collaborations with doctor Julian Mossbridge,
who is one of the world's leading experts in presentiment,
which is sensing the future through your body, and in
the Premonition Code, the book we co authored, I put
the case for sensing the future in your dreams. This
is back in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, and I've just
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carried on writing about the Akashik records, about Taro, about
near death experiences, about angel signs, and this year alone
I had the blessing of having actually six books out,
but up until recently that's why I'm so excited to
talk to you. All. My books have been nonfiction. I
wanted to actually my passion is to mainstay dream the
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power of spirit in our lives and the wisdom of dreams.
And I figured one way to do that was to
write a novel for people who aren't necessarily drawn to nonfiction.
So I've really answered you're probably many questions there. I
do go on a tangent forgive me, because I do
quite a lot of interviews. But along the way, Actually,
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it was during the pandemic that I've suddenly started to
do media. Before that was I was very much an
invisible writer, really an academic researcher writer, just putting book
and book out, and I was quite comfortable in hiding.
But the universe had other plans. It said, Teresa, you've
done hiding, Come and shine. And from twenty twenty one onwards,
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ITV this morning over here in the UK, which is
a really big you know, it's national. It has many
American stars coming over. Actually I've bumped into many famous
movie stars and celebrities who've braced the sofas of this morning.
But they invited me to do a national dream call
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in because of the lockdowns, everybody was dreaming vividly and
it suddenly was trending for the first time online. I
had the weirdest dreams, so the producers thought, hey, let's
do a national dream call in. You know, they thought
it was a one off. I've done thirty seven of
those now.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
My last one was for Halloween Your Spooky Dreams call In,
where I was trying to help people understand don't fear
your nightmares, get excited about them. So that's been a
blessing and that's kind of propelled me to doing quite
astonishing media over here in the UK. I've done BBC
Sounds interviews with Nicky Campbell, his podcast, Different here, all sorts,
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but it's wonderful because I said, my passion throughout has
been to mainstream dream work. And thank you for the
opportunity to talk to you, because it's all part of
what I'm passionate about doing. Anyone who's willing to listen,
I want to talk to them about their dreaming mind
and what's invisible and unseen, and how to tap into
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their intuition and realize that there's more to them than
meets the eye.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I can I can say your passion is just about
this phenomenon. And gosh, you know, I've written a few books,
but nothing like you. I know, to crank out three hundred.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Now, excuse me. My dog can sense my passion. I'm
just going to have to pick him up.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
That's all right.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
We like youtubing because you'll probably get more hips with this.
Who is that's Arnold? Who is very needy dog Arnold?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
But you know, let me go back for a moment here.
I'm sure you probably never sleep, so you're busy, But
let's go back to when you were a kid.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
No, No, I do sleep. I really cherish my sleep.
It's where I do most of my work. Many books
have happened in the lucid dreaming state. In my sleep.
I brainstorm in my dreams, in cubate dreams. I do
a lot of my inn A therapy in keeping through
the dream state.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Well, I'm just curious. So, so you certainly grew up
in an alternative family in the UK that was open
all these psychic and metaphysical things and spiritual things. They
must have been hippies, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
A bit like that.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
My mother was a professional astrologer, went from place to
place difficult My mother was Dutch Indonesia and actually and
my father was British, but it was a family of
people who believed in life after death. You know, the
spiritualist community of spiritualist churches, which are beautiful places actually
because you get many humble mediums who are doing it
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not for ego or for fame, but every every week,
you know, trying to connect to the other side for
the people that attend the service. And I start was
attending these from the age of four or five. I
wasn't able to connect to the afterlife myself, but because
people I loved and trusted did or appeared to talk
to the other side or proof of survival if you
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want to call that, I had no reason to doubt it.
It was only as I grew up and I realized
that this was not normal really. But you know, everything's
come full circle because right now I believe that it
is normal because more people have had a paranormal experience
than have not. If you ask anyone in the street,
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have you had a dream that sort of played out?
Have you followed your gut instinct? Have you had an
afterlife sign or an afterlife dream that made you feel
that death ends are life, not a relationship. Almost three
out of four at least will have had something mysterious
and explained a synchronicity that played out and just made
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them feel I'm part of something bigger, and I love
the fact now that there are many visionary scientists studying
this and collecting all these stories as the data, so
they are in any other realm. This is data witness statements.
But what's actually it's showing is that it's actually normal
to have unexplained experiences. Listening and you think, well, I've
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never had one. You have every single night when you
fall asleep and dream. That's a paranormal experience, whether you
realize it or not. There is nothing random about your
dreams nothing, and scientific research, psychological research is proving that
as well, that dream recall is a sign of a
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very healthy, active, creative mind, where intuition and logic are
forming a bridge and giving you brainstorming answers to your
issues and your waking life.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
So would you classify dreams as psychological, spiritual or something
in between?
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Everything? Dreams are all of that. When I've wrote my
Hypercollins element in Psyclopedia of twenty Thousand Dreams, which was
then slimmed down a few years later to a more
accessible because it was again four hundred thousand words to
a more accessible you know paperback called the Dream Dictionary
eator Z, and that's still in print to day. It's
been in print since two thousand and six and constantly reissued.
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I started then very much because, as I said, it
was a different time and people weren't as open to
this kind of thing. Because like channels like yours and
the work you're doing, there's so many people now opening
minds to this. It's becoming much more mainstream. When I started,
I was very careful to present it as psychological and
to steer away from dreams being potentially prophetic. I had
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elements of it in there. But the more I've gone
on and when I've been able to revise this dictionary,
the more I am convinced that every dream has a
psychological element. You can interpret it that way, but you
can also see it as a precognition. It has pre
cognitive elements and also and dreams have the potential to
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connect you to the world of spirit. They are everything.
People trying to find dreams and it's almost like they're
laughing at us because it's like trying to define life itself.
You can't. And people think you can control dreams as well,
that if you lucid dream you can control them. You
can learn to navigate dreams, and you can get some signposts.
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But I always compare dreamwork to like if you're a sailor,
you can learn to sail on the ocean, but you
will never be able to control the ocean or know
everything about its mysterious steps, and the ocean will surprise
you constantly with new things and new experiences. In a
dream world is like that. There are certain guidelines that
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can really help you understand your dreams better and what
they are, but don't ever have the arrogance to think
you can define what a dream is. Scientists are fast
learning that they're getting much more comfortable, actually, modern scientists
with questions being the answers. If you know what I mean,
And the older I get, the more I feel that
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at our evolution is about getting comfortable with life being
a question mark and understanding that questions actually open your
mind your brain. Actually, brain scan show that when you
are given a question, your brain lights up. When you
get answers, it kind of shuts down a bit so
actually we're always we're seeking the wrong thing. We actually
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need to ask better questions, because every time we ask questions,
we evolve a bit more. And I think spirituality is
often just stop trying to find definitive answers or put
human qualities onto the world of spirit. It's not going
to get you very far. And it does frustrate me. Actually,
although it's wonderful on YouTube now and social media, you
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have all these wonderful people with these they're kind of
regurgitating these ancient spiritual truths, which if you study religion,
a lot of it's Buddhism and esoteric wisdom from the
ancients being reserved. But what does frustrate me is if
someone says I have the answer, this is the way,
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that's a clear red flag. Actually, the best spiritual teachers
are the ones who are humble and say, I don't know. Yeah,
here's what's worked for me, here's what I've learned. You
find what works for you, and let's work together to
make this a better, happier world.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
That's well said. I appreciate that now. I told you
earlier before we started recording that I'm a student of
a course in miracles and of course in miracles. The
modern spiritual guide of nondualistic spirituality clearly states that our
journey in the world of form in a body is
completely an illusion, a dream, if you will. So, whether
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we're a sleeper or awake, both are actually just a dream.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Talking to the right person, I'm a brit And what
did Shakespeare say? We are the that dreams are made
on even centuries ago they knew that, and we you know,
we've all and studies show actually that in the dream state,
the mind doesn't know that it's a dream. It thinks
it's real. Isn't that fascinating? So if actually, if you
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experience something in a dream state, it shows that your
mind believes you're capable of it, Which is why I
encourage people to incubate dreams of them being happy, successful
and fulfilled and doing what they love, because actually, if
you can do it in the dream state, when you
wake up, your brain believes it's possible for you. And
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you would well know, Carl, the power of believing, fully
believing from the inside out that you are worthy and
something is possible and doable for you. If you can
dream it, you can do it, But yes, I mean sometimes,
I mean I often find that actually the older I get,
I don't know if it's a sign of aging, the
more my waking life feels more dream like than my
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dream life. And especially when I'm on the set of
ITV this morning, I can tell you that's a waking dream.
You know, it's like you get this, It's like what
is going on? But yeah, I do encourage people with
my who work with me with their dreams, that when
they've got some basic dream decoding skills, that they learn
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to understand their dream symbols, the language of emotion that
dream speaks in to to sort of get some understanding
of their dreams, to actually apply those tools also to
their waking life because this helps them live life on
a deeper level. Because nothing then is what it seems.
You don't take things literally. You start looking, am I projecting?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Here?
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Is this about my mindset? Does this belong to me
or someone else? What's the deeper meaning? And then life
becomes so magical because nothing then feels random. You know something,
you notice, a song, you over hear, something that crosses
your path, someone you bump into, what you see, Everything
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becomes rich with meaning. So I think that's rather a
beautiful way to live your life. Actually, to start interpreting
it in the same way as if it was a
dream and look beneath the surface all the time. It
will help your relationships with other people as well. You
will know that what they say isn't often what they're feeling.
There's layers to everyone and everything, and it makes life
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really interesting. You also are able to rise above because
you don't take things personally anymore. You understand that so
much of what's going on is your perception, and you
can change your perception that when someone's unkind or hurtful
to you, you know that's often how they're speaking to themselves.
It's not about you, it's about them. It really helps
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you dream work. Have that understanding that you get to
choose your mindset, and that's why dream works powerful, because
when you fall asleep and dream, you get a watson
or honest snapshot from your nocturnal intuition of what your
current mindset is currently attracting into your life. Because when
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you're awake, often are the noise and the distraction of
the world obscures what we unconsciously, truly at our core,
believe about ourselves. We often tend to lie to ourselves
or not tell the truth, or push things away we
don't like to face, you know, get distracted. I often
think that dreams are like thoughts of the heart. Your
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heart notices things that are important for your personal growth
in the day, but logic, reason, your conscious mind just
noise and stress block that out. So then when you
fall asleep, all the noise and stress of the material
world quietons, allowing your heart, which is your intuition, your soul,
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to talk to you. But it talks to you in
this very bizarre language of symbols and emotion. And that's
where a lot of people stumble, because they want the
dreaming world to be as literal as the material world.
And you've got to get over that hurdle. You've got
to learn your dream speak. And someone who's struggling with that,
I do tell them to just go and do a
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mini course or read a book about how to interpret
a poem, because a poem, when you first read it, it
doesn't make sense. Well, the best poems don't make sense.
In fact, every time you read them, they completely confound you.
It's like great works of art. And then you have
to look at that work of art or that poem
and apply certain techniques symbols, metaphors, associations, puns, figurative language,
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pathetic fallacy, all these things to get to the deeper meaning.
Nothing in a poem or a great work of art
is what it seems, And that is exactly I always
think your dreaming mind is a bit of a frustrated
poet artist. Poets and arts is a language of visionaries.
Visionaries throughout history, you know, they were very in tune
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with their dreams. A great artist, salvad Or Dahl, great
scientist Einstein got so mean a theory of relativity came
to him, you know, in a vision and a dream,
because he simply couldn't make that leap, that connection between
two unconnected things. In the waking state. It was almost impossible,
because logic and reason always say impossible. But in the
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dream state, of course, everything is possible, which allows you
to make connections with different areas of your life or
other people's lives that you simply can't when you're awake.
That's why the dreaming state is so powerful for creativity.
And I say to anyone listen listening who feels they're
having a bit of a creative block. Just write down
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your last dream. You don't have to understand it, don't
try and understand it. Simply writing down your last dream
will light up your intuition and your creativity and then
create the Einstein bridge between the logical part of your brain.
We need to connect these two parts of our brain.
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The problem is we just as we separate our dream
life from our waking life. I'm on a mission to
show they are one and the same. They need to flow,
They need to connect all the time, and stop separating
them because you need both need each other. You know,
I see in this movement time and time again people
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who have got so into the spiritual message, so in
love with it, that they literally become boundary less and
they lose practical application. We're on this, We're in this
Earth school for a reason, and we need to, you know,
be practical as well. Practical is not evil. It's necessary
to help us implement our great ideas and inspiration. It's
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the balance, and dream work can help you get that balance.
If you feel disconnected from your soul during the day,
just start thinking more about your dream life, writing them down,
playing around with the meaning. Don't think there's a definitive answer.
Stop doing that. Just enjoy beautiful symbolism and vision of
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your dreams showing you that you are connected to source,
that you are part of something greater, that there is
a part of you completely free and liberated from the material.
Just enjoy that. When you start enjoying that, your dreams
start really really start rejoicing, and then they repay you
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by sending you even more and more vivid dreams, dreams
that can help you really stress, dreams that can help
you brainstorm, dreams that foreshadow.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Wow, this is just phenomenal information. I'm trying to absorb
it all. I like this question. Is there any difference
between consciousness and dreaming or are they the same thing?
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I think we never switch off. We are awake twenty
four to seven. A lot of people shocked by that,
because actually, if I've been to sleep slabs, because I
work with sleep psychologists and specialists and scientists, and when
you watch people sleep, they are constantly moving, they're still sometimes,
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but then when they're dreaming, their eyes are going backwards
and forwards because the brain is awake, the body's fidgeting.
We don't sleep to rest. Rest doesn't occur in the
dream state. What then, is the reason for sleep. Science
still hasn't got a handle on why we sleep. They
have their theories. They know we need to for hormoneal
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release and things like that, but the traditional belief that
we sleep to rest, even traditional scientists is now knowing
that's no longer the case. We are still active, we
are our spirit is still busy in the dreams. Our
body is vigeting, and there is a school of research
now which is showing that regular dream recall not only
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is a sign of an active brain, it can actually
keep anxiety in stress at bay, which is very interesting.
But also there are some scientists who believe that the
reason we sleep, and I love this, it's so poetic
and beautiful, is because we actually need to dream. The
purpose of sleep is to get us to dream. So
you could think of it like plugging in your phone
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at night to charge. We need to go back to soul.
We need to just have a reminder of our soul.
It's like plugging in back to souce. You know. That's
why sleep is sacred, and I encourage people listening to
treat their sleep with absolute like a sacred ritual. It
is prepare for it because you're going to meet your
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soul in the dream state. Your body is going to recalibrate,
and as the would have said, you are reborn and
you every single morning, every single morning is a chance
to dream again, make different choices, change your mindset. And
if you wake up with a dream on your mind
that is disturbing and shocking and toxic, and guess what
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chances you are you will because research shows that over
ninety percent of our dreams are anxiety themed. And that's
a line of modern times because we are so outside
in at the moment, bombarded with stresses and to dos,
don't panic, turn that fear into excitement. You are being
given a kind of heads up. Look right now, here's
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your mindset. Now if you're into the manifesting trend, this mindset,
if you carry on without making a change and how
you think, how you feel, what you do, and what
you say, just make us. If you don't make a change,
you are going to attract the energy of the mindset
you're dreaming about. So think of it as an opportunity
to course correct if you wake up with a nightmare
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or a disturbing dream, and an opportunity to evolve because
your dreaming mind is saying, look, you are clinging onto
a mindset that may have served you in the past,
but right now that mindset need to be released with compassion.
It's becoming toxic, it's not serving you anymore. Let it go.
And your dream is showing you that all the time.
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All the time, the dream is showing you disturbing dreams
are showing you that you need to shed skins and
spiral rather than circle. A lot of us in our
lives we circle. We keep doing the same things all
the time. And if you're having lots of dreams that
are anxiety themed, nightmarish, Oh, it's so exciting. It's your spirit,
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your soul saying I want to grow. You know of
the chains, the mindsets that are dragging you down, the
relationships that are not serving you. Let go of people
who aren't on your vibration. You need to elevate, expand
and embody a new verse of yourself. And look, every
morning there's an opportunity to do that. Perceptionist reality that
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is so much the case. What we believe about ourselves
is what we tend to attract, and that's hard. If
you've grown up in a family where you weren't encouraged
to love yourself or take care of yourself, or you
had an abusive background. A lot of people have a
tough journey, but actually it's a golden opportunity to accelerate
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your personal growth if you do come from a very
difficult background and trying to put a positive spin on it,
because you therefore have an opportunity in this lifetime to
evolve dramatically. I often actually do feel sorry for people
who were born in very easy, excessively wealthy circumstances, and
that's why a lot of them are deeply unhappy because
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they haven't got that personal challenge. They don't need to,
you know, because everything's done for them. And that's why
you're often seeing people who are excessively work and privileged.
Deep unhappiness shouldn't be, should it, Because if the world,
you know what the world tells us that money, appearance, looks, popularity,
success is everything. Why these people have been so deeply unhappy,
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and it's because they haven't done the soul work. They're
not reconnecting to their dream that inner world urgently needs
to find fulfillment.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Well, I just wanted to remind people if you just
tuned in we are talking to the amazing Teresa Chung
from the UK. She's got a radio show. We'll talk
about that too. She's got numerous books. I do want
to give you an opportunity to talk about your brand
new novel called night Borne, and let's find out what
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is this about. I've been reading some of it, I'll
be honest, I haven't had a chance to read the
whole thing. That's pretty interesting.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Well would it? Basically? I noticed from my daughter who
eats book books romances, you know, she literally is a
book she's never and there are a lot of people
like that who absolutely but they're all fiction. And if
I suddenly thought, well, if I can't get my own
daughter to read one of my dream books, right, I
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need to do what I say in my books, get
out of my comfort zone and try a different approach.
Because there are people who are going to be drawn
to nonfiction books, right, and we'll purchase them. But we
live in a time now where our reading habits are
changing and there's a younger generation growing up. And I thought,
I'm going to distill all my dream wisdom what I've
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learnt through you know, five or more decades now of
dream research into a thriller, a page turner, a story
which I and early reviews on Goodreads. I've been blown
away by them. Thank you for everyone who's reviewed it
saying it's addictive, it's a page turn so people are
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enjoying it on that level. It's very out there, it's
very weird, it's very unexpected and deliberately so people are
calling it a thriller that messes with their mind. And
that's exactly what I want. Because people are writing to
me and saying after reading it or even seeing the
cover and are hold the cover up. It's creating a
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visceral reaction and they are waking up with dream recall.
Because what you focus on in the day, or what
you notice in the day, your intuition notices, will show
up in your dreams at nights. I love that. So
the book is almost taking on a dreamlike, haunted quality
of its own. Just by looking at the cover or
reading it, people are thinking about their dreams suddenly waking
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up to the potential of them. And so basically what
you get is you get a thriller, but also a
crash course in dream decoding without realizing it. Because all
the characters in the novel are Jungian psychologists, dream decoders,
or very deep thinkers, or people going through personal transition
and wondering how their dreams are going to help them
(35:07):
find the answer to the meaning of life or what matters.
And it is a very high stakes novel, Nightburn, and
I'm loving the reaction because it's surprising people and that's
a mark of a dream. It will surprise you if
a dream, every dream should surprise you the meaning. If
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you come to a meaning of a dream, it will
surprise you. Dreams aren't in the business of telling you
what you already know, right, they will tell you something
you don't know. They're always trying to expand you, evolve you.
And that's exactly what Nightbourne is. It's a very easy read.
It's a short novel. It's not a hefty tone. I'm
(35:50):
not going to win the Booker Prize with It is
not weighty dialogue or descriptions. But it is in the
style of Dan Brown, whose Secret of Secrets is doing
so well. And by the way, my co author for
The Premonition Code, Julian Mossbridge, the neuroscientist, is mentioned in
the Secret of Secrets because of her research she refers
to her experiment which we referred to years back in
(36:12):
the Premonition Code about you know, sensing the future ahead
of time. So and I thought, well, I wanted it
from a woman's perspective, Nightborn, but that doesn't mean to
say men are enjoying it just as much. It is
a ride, I'm telling you, it is a real addictive
thriller ride. And I'm I'm blown away. Not one of
(36:35):
my books has had so many arresting, deeply insightful, deeply
thoughtful reviews on good Reads, which I love because Goodreads
is the site for people who are really into books.
And of course it would because this year I had
five other books out. I'm very blessed. I had a
book on the Akashic Records. I had a book on rituals.
I had a book on Dreaming of Your Future, where
(36:57):
I laid out the science of precognition again. And actually
that book was reviewed in the Society for Psychical Research.
That's another first for me, that time honored institution founded
by scientists and psychologists. They did a five page, really
glowing review on it. So I'm very very proud of that.
I also wrote a book about intuition and so many
(37:20):
books came out this year, but they were non fiction.
So it proved my point with Nightbourne writing a novel
because you know, at the moment, with Stranger Things about
to drop, with the Conjuring Universe, breaking box office records,
with last rites, with I think top ten on Netflix
as an animation in your dreams, people are hungry for
(37:44):
this material, and I truly hope if you are hungry
to understand your dreaming mind, but you just cannot be
bothered to read a kind of worthy footnote and referencing
the science nonfiction book, which I have done in the past,
and you just want to be also to dream with
(38:04):
your eyes wide open through a story, because let's face it,
whenever you read a novel, you're dreaming with your eyes
wide open. You're practicing the dream state, and that why
is that powerful? I often tell people who are struggling
with poor dream recor read a novel, analyza poem, look
at great art, listen to music. What I was talking
about uniting the intuitive and the logical part of your brain.
(38:27):
Every time you listen to music that gives you goosebumps,
you are practicing dreaming with your eyes open. And what
you do during the day. Dreams are very current will
show up in your dreams at night. So give your
dreams food to work with. Think of your day as
I'm going to get all sorts of nourishments so that
I get a spectacular, wild and wonderful dream that's going
(38:51):
to really accelerate my personal psychic and spiritual growth. Think
of it like that, and nightfall will help you do that.
And music plays a part in that in Nightbourne as well.
Recommend enough too is the theme that is referenced strongly
in Nightbourn and all for a reason. I don't know
(39:11):
what's going to happen with this. People say it should
be a screenplay. I dream big. Why not? I can
see it there. Wouldn't that be wonderful to get the
whole world waking up with dreams and gratitude for them
on their mind because they will know then that they
are spiritual or dreaming beings having a human experience, Because
where do you go when you dream? Psychic experience? Sometimes
(39:34):
some of the dreams these stories are so compelling. You
experience things in dreams that you think, how did that happen? Well,
it happened because it's from spirit.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Well I have to tell you, many years ago, I
used to work in a used bookstore, and I can
tell you that novels are way more popular than most
any their genres. I mean, it was incredible how many
novels we sold. Now I wanted. The one theme in
Nightborne that I find really interesting is that possibly some
(40:13):
global power has learned how to manipulate humans dreams. I mean,
do you do you think that seemed really possible?
Speaker 4 (40:22):
It is very possible through subliminal flashes, things that we
see online, to implant a dream seed. Yes, there is
research to show it is possible. As I said, your
dreams take material from your waking life, and if someone
came This is the theme of Nightborn. Would you know
if your dreams were hacked? And if you had the
(40:44):
power to hack a nation's dreams, you own them from
the inside out. Would we reach a time when it's
not enough for global powers, billionaires, politicians to own us
from the outside in through the messaging they give. What
if they suddenly find out how to get people from
(41:05):
the inside out? So a dream would inspire people to
do something nefarious, say something because they had experienced it
in a dream, and the dream was so powerful it
called them to do something. Yes, this is what night
One explores, and I think it could could potentially happen. Yeah,
(41:25):
dream hacking. I mean this was explored in that wonderful
movie Inception. People are saying Night Onorn's a bit like
Black Mirror meets Inception. It is that, but I've taken
it to the extreme, but for a reason, because I
want people who read it to dream big, to not
limit themselves, because that's what dream work gives you. If
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you really do your dream work, you know which is
you know, incubate a dream, write it down in the morning,
brainstorm it, and then the next night continue and treat
your dreams like a series. I'll understand that you are
capable of anything. You are infinite possibility. You will find
that courage that maybe other ways of doing personal psychic
(42:14):
and spiratual growth aren't doing it, like affirmations or maybe
even meditation, because when you do that, you're awake your
conscience and you've got the noise and distraction of the
conscious world making it harder for you. And I always
say with manifesting, for example, if you go on these
courses where they give you affirmations and you have to
(42:35):
raise your vibration. You do all these healings and meditations visualizations, Well,
guess what a lot of people can't visualize. I've found
that out in my travels as well, that a lot
of people. You know, there's so much emphasis on visualization
in the self help movement. What about all these people
myself included, who when they close their eyes it's blank.
Because not everybody can form mental images. But they can
(42:57):
do it in other ways. And I talk about this
again in Nightmaren. You can do it through talking to yourself,
through describing, through emotion, through sensations. But if you're doing
your manifesting that way and you're not getting results, it's
because you haven't started at the core. As I said,
(43:17):
your dreams are the truth of you, The absolute, honest
dreams don't lie truth of you. Your dreams will give
you a nightly report of your current mindset and what
you truly believe about yourself, others, and life, whether and
some of that may not be nice. You've got to
overcome the fear and have compassion for aspects of yourself.
(43:40):
But another great thing about dream work is it encourages
you to go into that observer role because when you
analyze a dream, you kind of look in the third
person at it. Studies show again, I love to quote
studies that whenever you think about yourself in the third person,
for some reason, you are more compassionate. When we do
(44:04):
things in the I. You know all these affirmations, I
am worthy, I am enough, great, great, great. But for
some reason, when it's the eye, a lot of us,
maybe it's through conditioning, we struggle with that self compassion.
But in dream work you go into that third person
observer role and you start having more compassion for yourself
(44:25):
and self awareness. And when you've got self awareness and
self compassion, you are so close to self belief. It's
just it's just natural. It just happens naturally. I think
dream work is the most neglected manifesting personal growth tool
out there. It's never just a dream. It's your nocturnal intuition,
(44:47):
free from the material world and distraction and ego, talking
to you about what really matters and what you really
need to pay attention to in your in your waking
life and in our waking life. You see, we deny repress,
We don't notice what our intuition wants us to notice,
(45:10):
but we can notice it in the dream state. As
it said, dreams are thoughts of the heart.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
I do like you talking about the observer effect. One
thing that I've learned as a spiritual student. We're taught
to what they call rise above the battle ground and observe.
So yes, when you're in a third person, yes, you're
more compassionate, you're less judgmental, and you're just looking at
(45:37):
it objectively.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Yeah. And as I said that, it's backed up by
psychological research, and it's interesting. Actually, I'm sure you're familiar
with future self work. This is very familiar. Similar when
you kind of like connect with your future self as well,
think about the person you will be tomorrow and have
loving thoughts for the person you are tomorrow, because this
(46:00):
makes you realize that your soul exists independent of physical time,
and that time is time is not linear. And for example,
I know that at some point, maybe this evening tomorrow,
I will reflect back on this interview. So if time
(46:20):
isn't linear, tomorrow self futures that already hear, so I
greet it with compassion and love and respect, And I
just think that's so beautiful. We have this idea of
ourselves independent of who we are at this moment in
time as having a kind of a long body over time,
(46:41):
connecting to all aspects of ourself across time, and having
compassion for all those aspects of ourself because they're all
part of the wonderful, complex, expansive, visionary soul. They're all
part of our soul's journey. And actually, when you start
(47:02):
thinking about the future as well in this observational way again,
research shows your brain just lights up. Eleven areas of
the brain light up when you think about your future self.
You imagine your future self being happy and fulfilled. In
contrast to when you think about your present and your
(47:25):
past self, only about five areas of the brain light up.
Think on that. Your brain wants you to think ahead
of time. Your brain wants you to time travel. Your
brain wants you to seek meaning all the time, because
that's the natural flow the DNA of the brain. Isn't
it sad that we are taught often at schools to
(47:48):
go against this natural predilection of the brain, which is
to seek meaning, to time travel, to make connections. That's
what the brain wants to do. The brain wants to dream. Decode.
Your brain when you wake up, its crying out for
you to reflect on your dream and try and make
(48:08):
meaning out of it. That's what it's meant to do.
The mysterious butterflies of the brain, they want to make
connections for you. They want to seek meaning. And every
time you say to yourself nonsense, illogical, oh, just imagination,
the worst words. I want a mission to obliterate just
a dream. Your brain size, your brain doesn't like it.
(48:35):
A healthy brain wants to be expansive, wants to be visionary,
wants to connect their intuition with their logic, wants to
seek meaning in everyone and everything all the time, not
just you know, for your allotted meditation, but twenty four
to seven, that's the visionary brain. And just go and
(48:57):
read some biographies of Einstein and you will see how
a vision brain works. And actually there's been research to
show that Einstein's brain when they studied it, you know,
it was smaller than most brains, but the bridge between
the intuition and logic, there's a technical term, was really strong.
Isn't that interesting? The Einstein bridge?
Speaker 3 (49:19):
It's called Wow. Talking to Teresa Chung, We've got just
a few more minutes here, just incredible information. I'm going
to have to go back and watch this fifty or
sixty times.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
But it's all in there much more fun way, and
you can get carried away on an adventure.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
This real quick. So maybe you can do this in
a minute or two. What's the difference between lucid dreaming
and regular dreaming?
Speaker 4 (49:48):
Oh, well, lucid dreaming. There's a lot of attention on
that because it's kind of like the Superstar of the
dream world. It's you know, the movie Inception showcased it
so brilliantly, that movie with Leonardo DiCaprio. It's when you're
in a d and you suddenly know you're dreaming. Why
is that so powerful? Well, what all I've been saying.
If you do happen to become lucid in a dream,
and you probably did when you're a child, obviously, why
(50:11):
because when you're a child, it's so much easier for
you to suspend disbelief. When you get older, logic and
reason immediately block that possibility. But when you are if
that does happen to you again, and if you start
regularly recalling your dreams and paying attention to your dreams,
you will naturally lucid dream more. It will just happen
when it happens. Don't panic, stay calm, and please, when
(50:34):
you become lucid and you're aware that you're dreaming, call
into the dream what you want to experience in your
waking life. Right see yourself flying, singing, dancing, being happy
and fulfilled. Please call in what you want to manifest,
because when you wake up, you've dreamt it. Your dreaming mind,
(50:57):
you're my Your waking mind has experienced it. It doesn't
know the difference between the dreams and reality, so therefore
it thinks it's possible for you. And whenever you think
something's possible, that's when it starts to happen. And it's
when you start to raise your vibration and attract it.
But don't get hung up on lucid dreaming. You know
(51:20):
being the holy Grail, and you know, if I don't
lucid dream, I'm a failure. A lot of people can't
lucid dream. There are techniques to activate it. I don't
recommend them because they interview interfere with healthy sleep. Only
do it when you're on holiday or at the weekend.
It involves waking up early, sitting up for about twenty minutes, journaling,
going back to sleep, because in the early hours of
(51:40):
the morning, you're much more likely to become lucid because
that's when you're more in rem But I wouldn't recommend
it because sleep is so important for your holistic wellbeing.
But every single dream in fact, in nightballne we don't
even talk about lucid dreaming because most people can't achieve
that state without going to a monastery or something. Ninety
(52:01):
nine percent of our dreams are symbolic and potentially precognitive foreshadowing.
They are just as awesome, they are just as powerful.
They are doing the night shift every night for you,
trying to show you things which you need to notice
(52:21):
in your waking life because they matter, because they are
what will bring you true fulfillment. But for some reason,
you're just skirting over them, you're avoiding them, you're running
away from them, or you're not or you're denying them
in your waking life. So every night, your dreams are
like your best friend or you're in a therapist. They
(52:43):
will show you things sometimes that are harsh or unpleasant
about yourself, but they're not doing that to judge or
criticize at all. They're just holding up a mirror to
your mindset for your growth, so you can then identify.
You know, if you don't know what's blocking you, how
(53:03):
can you change make a change. They're just it's like
think of it like a school report card that you
get every night. You get a report card on you,
where you are right now and what actually what relationship,
what situation, what habit? What mindset is? Most often mindset?
What mindset needs to change, needs to shift, because when
(53:27):
you create an inner shift, that's when the outer shift happens.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Well, Teresa, We're gonna have to wind up here. And
I only ask like a quarter of the questions I had.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
This is just right. I talk too much? Is because
I said, I've been around for a long time, and
I just laugh.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Well, I just encourage people to go get a copy
of her amazing novel, A night Borne It is. It
is a page turner. And also your popular show in
the UK called The Healing Power of Dreams. I'm Madge,
people anywhere in the world could probably go online and
listen to that too.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
You for mentioning that, Yes, this summer I was asked
to host my own radio show on UK Health Radio,
which was an awesome opportunity because UK Health Radio it's
an independent radio station but been running twelve years and
it's close to two million global listeners now, but it
mainly focused on mental and physical wellbeing. But thank the Lord,
the founders are beginning to understand you know what you're
(54:27):
talking about, Carl, and you know wonderful work that you're
doing that Soul is part of the holistic wellbeing equation.
So they've offered me a weekly live show and I
find that incredibly stressful. Actually I didn't realize. I love
the pre records that I do for my White Shaw's podcast,
which is still running as well. If you just want
a more gentle, relaxed because The Healing Power of Your
(54:48):
Dreams is a live weekly show where I have a
special guest like I've had Evan Alexander, Charlie Morley, Claire Johnson,
Dean raid In people like that coming on. I've got
Laurie Loewenberg. It's every Wednesday live, so it's quite difficult
because the timing is three to four pm London, UK
(55:09):
or Greenwich meantime, you know, because our clocks have changed
now we're not British summertime. But it's three to four
pm every Wednesday. But the founders said, look, we're going
to do this show. We do it live. And a
wonderful thing about the show is about halfway through there's
a zoom that opens and listeners can join the conversation.
Now it's wildly unexpected. It's terrifying because we don't know
(55:32):
who's going to drop in. But I love that because
sometimes in this movement people are very isolated, and I've
loved the fact that sometimes other experts have jumped in
to the conversation and surprised an old friend on there,
or people can just join it and say, look, I
had the weirdest dream, help me understand it. But as
I said, it is scary because when you book a
(55:54):
special guest, and especially if they're American, which are a lot
of these visionary scientists colleges are, I'm terrified they won't
show up, and I think, oh my goodness, I'm gonna
have to talk for an hour. But so far they
all have Laurie, you're here this Wednesday, so please show up.
(56:16):
But yeah, it's fun, So I do that, and of
course I'm ITV this morning. I do the National Dream Decoding,
where they open the phone lines to the nation and
share your Teresa where I'm kind of like a dream
agony aunt.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
This sounds amazing, but really we really do have to
stop here.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
But one last thing, real quick to see that's the trouble.
I know something's great, Carl, credit to you. When time
I'm usually very conscious of the time. At these I've
completely lost track of time. So that's that's down to you.
Speaker 3 (56:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (56:49):
I know something even sent when time just vanishes, which
it just happens.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
Your website. What's your website.
Speaker 4 (56:55):
Too, ww dot tersachun dot com or you can find
me on Instagram at the Teresa Chung. I'm also on
x and Facebook, but I have to figure out those
platforms and they kind of keep changing. I am on
there so you can message me there as well.
Speaker 3 (57:11):
You are so fun. I love it. Thank you, Teresa.
Thank you for an amazing conversation. I love it.
Speaker 4 (57:17):
Thank you so much. And sweet dreams everyone, well, actually
not so sweet because we don't learn in our comfort zone.
Wild and wonderful dreams. Everyone, there we go.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
This has been another episode of World Awakenings, The Fast
Track to Enlightenment with host Carl Gruber, a certified Law
of attraction life coach. We welcome you to tune in
to each and every episode of World Awakenings as we
open your mind, your heart, and your eyes to the
fact that the world's population is now more than ever,
(58:01):
awakening to the truth of all things spiritual, metaphysical and enlightening,
and just how much they play an all important role
in our moment to moment daily life. Much love and
light to you, my friend, and thank you for tuning
into World Awakenings.
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