64 Matthew Shelton @ his apartment in Chicago, IL (9/23/18)

It was a true delight to sit down with Matthew and hear about the show in which this full bill of fantastic Cincinnati local bands was commandeered by a certain celebrity-focused television network. It was also funny to hear us talk so much about my own life, particularly with respect to permatour. I'm releasing this episode on my first day living in an apartment after almost 12 years of nothing but living in vehicles. The episode is from over a year prior, and so I'm still talking from the perspective of staying on the road for the foreseeable future. Still, Matthew's perspectives on music, ambition, fame, and hustle resonated deeply with me. And so I can't help but wonder if this conversation was one that tipped me toward finally taking a break from touring to focus on other things for a spell.