Israel–Hamas “Peace” Deal? The Real Battle for Morality | Yaron Brook Show - Yaron Brook Show

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Oh right, everybody welcome to Rue book show on this Sunday, Sunday,
October fifth. I hope everybody's had a fantastic weekend. I
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All right, I thought today we'd talk about we talk
about the Israel Hamas deal or proposed deal or maybe
deal or Trump Deal or whatever you want to call it,
and break it down a little bit, see what the
issues are. Where are we today with with it happening

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or not happening?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
You know, what, what does it look like? Are the
hostages coming home? This week or not. I don't know,
but you know, I'll give you my assessment and.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, and what are the prospects kind of long term?
How does this play out? What do I think actually happens?
So so that's going to be what we talk about.

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Speaker 1 (05:45):
So, as we know last week, at the beginning of
the week, Donald Trump proposed a twenty was a twenty
point deal that uh, he got Naniao who came to Washington,
and he got wash Nathaniel to agree. Even though Natanieo

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was not particularly excited about the deal. There were a
number of issues regarding the proposal that you know, Natania
was pretty unhappy about it, in particularly proposals around the
Palestinian authority gaining some kind of responsibility in the future
over Gaza and then of course the possibility of a

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future Palestinian state, which was mentioned in the deal. Uh
So Natana was not happy about it. But but Trump
basically twisted his hand and and uh and and and
got him to.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Agree to the deal. And part of part of.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
It was that that Trump had gone to a bunch
of Muslim countries and a bunch of Arab countries and
gotten their support for the deal, or at least that
is the assumption. They are signed the letter basically expressing.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Uh their support for the Trump for the proposal.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Now we'll see they're already backing off of that support,
but many of them, you know, supported it. And the
idea was, how can Nataniel say no in the whole
ever world is basically backing this, And you know, the
most attractive feature of the deal to nitenniau into the
usual leads generally, was the fact that the idea is

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that the deal would be once the deal was agreed
to or once Hamas agreed, there would be an immediate
cease fire, so all shooting would stop, and then within
seventy two hours seventy two hours, if I remember my
math right, that is three days, within seventy two hours,
the Hamas would release all the hostages living and dead.

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Supposedly they hold about forty eight twenty alive and maybe
twenty eight bodies, and they all of those would be
released within forty eight hours. And then only after that,
right after this is fire, Israel would retreat, start withdrawing
from Gaza, and then there'd be all kinds of other
stuff would happen.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
We'll talk about.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
That, but Fasewel, the main attraction of this neil was
the first thing that happens, The first thing in a
chain of events that happens, is release of hostages.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Now, of course, what.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Nobody mentions is that together with the forty eight hostages
that Hamas holds, Israel would release about five hundred prisoners,
many of whom many many of whom at least two
hundred and fifty of whom are serving life sentences, in

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life sentences for terrorist attacks on murder people.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
With blood on their hands.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
And then on top of that another seventeen hundred people
that Israel has detained in Gaza since the war began.
Some of them might be people who actually participated in
the October seventh massacre.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
So that is step one.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
So phase one, everybody agrees seventy two hour ceasefire, seventy
two hours release of fostages, all right. Second, at that point,
Israeli troops would start withdrawing. There is a map with
lines on where they would withdrawn and how.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
But this would take happen over time.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
During this period of time, Hamas would supposedly disarm. An
international security force made up of some of the Arab
states that signed this letter would move in to take
over security responsibilities. Israel would ultimately withdraw completely from the

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Gaza strip. That would only happen again after both of
these conditions were met. Security force was there to replace them,
and Hamas would be disarmed. And while is what would
maintain a security perimeter presence and a security perimeter, it
would have no.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Troops within Gaza.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
It would evacuate the various corridors that we've talked about,
that that we've talked about.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Over and over during the war.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
It would basically be a complete withdrawal from Gaza, all right.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Then, what would happen.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Supposedly, at that point, there would be an administration placed
on Gaza. The administration initially would be comprised of some
kind of a board, international board, people internationally, and a
government established, a kind of a government established in Gaza,

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which would be what they call a technocratic government, that is,
wouldn't be political. It would be just a gazan's palace
Indians who have knowledge and how to deal with I
guess electricity and water and construction and things like that,
so they would govern.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
They would govern the process right.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Ramas would have no part in administrating a Gaza, and
all of its military infrastructure would including the tunnels, would
all be dismantled, destroyed. Those members who are willing to pledge,
pledge to live peacefully would be granted amnesty, and those

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who wanted to leave Gaza would be allowed to do so.
And I guess maybe there's some kind of guarantee that is,
or wouldn't hunt them down. This international security force would
ensure Ramas's disarmament, keep the order, and it would start
training Palestinian Palestinian a Palestinian police force take over law

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enforcement responsibilities. Egypt supposedly is already training thousands of Palestinians,
Palestinian police to be deployed into Gaza. I'm not sure
where these thousands came from, which bank, How did they
get to Egypt.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
You can't cross the border with Gaza. I donnom During
this period, of course, humanitarian aid would flow in.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
I mean, God forbid, we stopped providing them with humanitarian aid, and.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Huge amounts, large amounts.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
This humanitarian aid would be run by neutral international bodies,
including the neutral, the newly neutral. This will have to
be a new organization, the newly neutral United Nations and
the Red Crescent. Unclear whether they gauz of humanitarian fund,

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this fund that was created, the distributed aid, the aid
in Gaza that was created by Israel in the US,
whether they would continue to operate or not. The plan
is very specific about Palestinians not being expelled from Gaza.
They would be at all to leave, but only in
the condition that they could come back. And uh, there

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would be a a international effort to rebuild, rebuild.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
The Gaza strip.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
For the Palestinians, not for Trump, not for vacationing Europeans,
but for the Palestinians. So yeah, Uh, this intro administration
of Palestinian technocrats would run day to day affairs.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
They'd be overseed by this what they.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Called Board of Peace, which would be headed by Donald Trump.
The board would also supervise funding of reconstruction and I
guess the planning of yourconstruction. And in all of that,
during this interim administration, the Palestinian authority would undergo reforms.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
That is the idea the reforms that would be.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
They would guarantee its deradicalization. Supposedly this includes change to
the education that it teaches its kids not to hate Jews,
for example, anymore.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
And I guess reforms towards more of a.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Liberal democracy, right right western liberal democracy kind of attitudes
in terms of in terms of the Pastidian authority, so
that they can ultimately take over governing gaza.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
I guess we're not going to have elections.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
This some nod to the potential of the Palestinian statehoods.
It says that the past authority, if the pallistianthority reforms
are sufficient and gods would redeployment at you know, is
is going well, uh, then this could be a credible
pathway to Palestinian self determination of statehood. Anyway, as we've said, Uh,

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so this plant was shared with Hamas and and uh.
At some point, Trump tweeted something like like he's done
many many times.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
You know, I need an answer by Sunday.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
And if they if I don't get if they don't
say yes, all hell will rain upon them. You know,
some exaggerated, bombastic, stupid, meaningless threat uh that he placed
on Hamas.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Uh. But again, all rain.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
With hell on them, it would would would launch on him.
It would be some some kind of disaster. They you know,
we were just the United States would help as well,
just crush them. Who knows what all help would rain
on them actually means. He says, it's so often with
the god to gods that that it's lost all meaning.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Well.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Habouts came back on Friday afternoon and basically said, we
agree to release the hostages. So we agree with some
of this, but there's a bunch of things here we
need to negotiate, Like.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
We're not close on these things.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Disarmament, we don't like that international force. We're not supporting
an international force coming in here, and all of the
you know, the important stuff.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
And they said, you know, we need to negotiate all
that stuff, and it is all assumed.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Antonielle assumed that that men know that they had just
turned down the deal because the deal was like I
take it to leave it.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
It wasn't a negotiated kind of deal.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
And Trump read it as yes, they've agreed, My Nobel
price is on the way.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
So Trump was all enthusiastic.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
He called Ntenia up, and Ntenia was like, look, I
mean there's no deal here. Really, they haven't said yes
and and and they're suggesting all these nose and they
want to negotiate. That's not gonna go well and no
and and supposedly supposedly. Trump was furious. It's like, you're
always negative. It's always no with you. You know, take the win.

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This is a win.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Take it.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
So Natonio said, okay, fine, I mean basically Natano folds
constantly before before Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
So, uh yeah, so is all I said, Yes, they
are meeting.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Uh, negotiations start tomorrow in h I'm reading conflicting stories.
I'm saying Cairo. Some say in in Charlotte. Micheer originally
was supposed to be in in got to forget the
name of the place anyway, I think it's in Charlot.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
I think it's in Charlemcher so they can go scuba
diving in between meetings.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
But a beautiful place, charlemchere, gorgeous, best scuba diving, among
the best scuba.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Diving in the world. Amazing place, just beautiful. You know.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Hopefully they have some time for sight seeing, but will
there will be negotiating.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
They will be meeting and negotiating tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Not clearly exactly what they're negotiating about, but for example,
one of the things I negotiate is Hamas has a
list of people they want released, and of course at
the top of the list of the people are the
most murderous, barbaric, inhumane monsters the ramasas are produced and

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that are sitting in Israeli jails. They want them released.
Israel has said they will now release these people.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
You know. Now.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
One of them is Hammad, who organized, who planned and
organized dozens of attacked against Israelis, many of them suicide bombings,
dozens and dozens and dozens modered because of him. Another
one is Abdullah Barguti. We don't think it's even Hamas,

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but anyway, also responsible for dozens of tervist detects against Israel,
in which over sixty six people were killed and over
five hundred injured, and these people, uh, these people are
going to be at the top of Hamas's list. Supposedly,
Nitaao has promised his right wing members of his cabinet

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that he will not release these people again. We will
see whether Natania can stick to that, whether will Trump
will tell him, what are you gonna You're going to
not get your hostages back because of two people.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Of course you're gonna do that. What do you mean
take the win.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Anyway, So the first phase of this negotiation will probably
be around the details of who Israel is going to release,
and then the time frame for the release of the
Israeli hostages. Hamas has already said they can't release everybody
within seventy two hours. They will need more time for

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the bodies, they need to go dig them up and
find them. But if they release the twenty live hostages
within seventy two hours, that'll be pretty amazing. That'll be
super exciting, and Israel will celebrate Israel. The Israelis will
be very very happy to get those twelve hostages back
who have been tortured and treated in just the most

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inhumane ways. It will be pretty amazing to get them back,
but that is phase one of the negotiations. It's not
clear if Hamas will agree to release the hostages before
they have negotiated all the other issues that they might
have or that they have, including disarmored ment and and

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again the different forces that are going to be there,
the nature of the government, the nature of the future
of the gods, the script. So it's hard to tell
whether how quickly this is going to go. If in
the case is that they're going to agree around hostages
and the feeing of murderers from Israeli prisons and uh,

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and only and do that execute on that, and only
then negotiate the rest of the deal, then maybe we'll
see some amazing, amazing videos this week or where hostages
are being released. Uh and and that'll be again super
exciting and super super positive. But you know, I'm skeptical

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about whether that is actually the case and whether.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
That's actually going to happen. Excuse me who?

Speaker 1 (21:53):
All right, So, uh, that is, of course, I think
in terms of negotiation, at least the easy part. Now
I've already said and I've said in the past, and
I've said it many, many many times over many many

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many decades, not just years decades.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
The very idea.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
That Israelis are going to show my chess to negotiate
with Ramas is one that just shivers down your spine.
These are Ramas is an organization of murderers, of the
worst kind of murderers. These people are beyond They're not human,

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They're monsters. Every one of them should be dead. Indeed,
Israel has tried to kill many of them over and
over again. They are despicable, They're horrific. Nobody should be
negotiating with them. Nobody should have ever negotiated with him
from the beginning of this conflict. But they have for

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years and years and years, going back to the nineteen
eighties and nineties and going back to the beginning of
right after October seventh, they be.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Negotiations with Ramas.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Ramas has been recognized by Israel as a legitimate negotiating partner.
The United States has insisted on it and pushed Israel
to do it. Biden administration, Trump administration doesn't really matter.
Negotiating with evil is something Trump is very very very
much in favor of.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
He does it all the time. Right his negotiations with.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
North Korea, with putin with You know, monsters don't defend Trump.
I mean quite the opposite. So I mean he finds
them friendly. Of his best friends, the monsters. He's very
cordial with many many monsters around the world.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
See, you don't, you don't negotiate with these people.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
But so so, given that I'm just describing what's going
to happen, I'm not sanctioning it or supporting it because
I'm not. And and the fact that hostage is what
we released I will be happy about. I mean, these
are human beings, and and uh, the fact that they
will be free will be a reason to celebrate, a
reason to celebrate, and and and and and a worthy

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a worthy thing.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
So I hope it happens. All right.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
At that point, it's hard to tell how these negotiations
move forward in my view. I mean, because Hamas doesn't
want it, doesn't want to disarm. They might agree to
give up some of the like offensive weapons like missiles
and things like that, with the idea that they'll build them.
They don't have many anyway, and they'll build them later on.

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They will not want to get rid of their defensive weapons.
And it's not clearly anybody can actually get them to disarmor.
Ramas probably has so many places where weapons are being
hidden have been hidden, I'm not sure anybody can find
them in years. I mean, look, how look how much
of Gaza is held by Israel, and Israel has not

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caught up with all the places in which Ramas is
hidden stuff. So it's not clear that the weapons that
Ramas has will ever be found. This idea that they're
gonna say, ooh, I'm sorry, I want to live in
peace now and all is forgiven for butchers of October.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Seventh, I don't I don't get that, and I don't
understand that.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
You'll still have thousands of Ramas operators in the Gaza strip.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
They might swear allegiance, they might promise.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
To behave Why would anybody ever, in their wildest dreams
believe a word that they say. You now will have
an extra You know what, several hundred, three hundred and fifty.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Of the worst criminals.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Two hundred and fifty prisoners serving life, worst terrorists possible
there will now have been freed to the West Bank
and maybe the Gaza added to their ranks. You will
also get all the terrorists, of course in the West
Bank added to those ranks. There's zero reason to believe
Hamas is going to go away and disappear into the

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nights and it's over. If you study the history of
all these terrorist organizations in the Middle East, they find
ways to survive and rise up again. It might take
a long time because they've really been cut down, but
it doesn't take much to commit a suicide bombing. It

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doesn't make much to commit a terrorist attack, and the
idea that that that's going to go away suddenly.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Ain't happening.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
And then, of course you've got the problem that it's
hard to tell right now the extent to which people
in Gaza, the people who live in Gaza, are radicalized,
and whether people in Gaza can have actually accepted the
existence of the State of Israel and accepted that they'll

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be defeated, and accepted that they will never beat Israel
and will never destroy his well, I don't know how
many of them have.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Maybe they're suffering has taught them a lesson.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Maybe they're suffering has taught them to despise from us
and to just accept Israel and to try to seek
a better future.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Maybe maybe, but we know that's not true. In the
West Bank.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
We know that the Palestine in the West Bank support
from US more than ever. That Ramas's popularity in the
West Bank, just like in Western Europe, is that at
an all time high, that if you probably had elections
in the West Bank, Ramas would win over the Palestinian authority,
which is supposed to be a little bit more moderate.

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The very fact that all these terrorists are going to
be freed suggests that this is still a terrorist admiring,
a tororist respecting a terrorist, a terrorist society, a society
that relishes terrorists and terrorism. Why this changes anything about

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the Palestinians. It does not and will not again, maybe
the Guzans because they've actually lived it, and the idea
the Trump thinks that he's changed the world. You already say,
he's been saying this over and over again in the
last few days. He solved the crisis that's been going

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on for three thousand years, three thousand years, three thousand years.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Wow, I mean that's pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
He's done nothing, he solved nothing, he's changed nothing. I mean,
maybe the ostages we released that'll be good. So my
expectation is that Hamas will drag these negotiations out. They'll
not agree, they'll push, they'll force the US to put

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pressure on Israel to compromise.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
The Arab States are ready backing off.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
So remember of the states supposedly supported this agreement, but
for example, Egypt is already saying, well, you know, homost disarmament,
that's an internal Palestinian thing, that's not something you should
be imposed from the outside. And you know, you'll see
that the Arab States will all basically.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Side with Hamas.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Over time, they'll put more and more pressure on Trump
to compromise and to give in more, and to force
Israel to give in more and to compromise more. And Israel,
at some point we'll have to say no, that's enough,
and at some point this will all break apart. And

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now I'm all for releasing the hostages and then for
it all to break apart, because then Israel can actually
go in and destroy Hamas without fear of what Ramas
might do to the hostages. But I just don't I
don't see ramas As being that stupid is to release
the hostages before you release hostages, before they get some real.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Concessions from Israel. So I just don't see where.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Where this goes other than dragging out a lot of
pressure in Israel, Trump pounding his chest. I hope that
hostage is are released, but I'm not even sure that
will happen. But certainly, once hostages are released, this will
fall apart and there'll be a disaster. Let's say you

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get an international peacekeeping force in there, how long will
they survive? Like if you get these police that Egypt
says they've trained, these Palestinians, police that Egypt says they've trained.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Unlet's say they go in there, how many.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Of them I actually come as sympathizers and will flip
and work for Hamas. I mean, the whole thing is
just ludicrous, And you know it's gonna blow up in
Israel's face. I mean, it might not blow up in
Israel's face this year, it might be next year, it
might be five years down the road. But nothing ultimately

(31:56):
long term good will come of this again other than
the release of the hostages. So we'll be watching it
very carefully, very closely this coming week to see exactly
what happens.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
But here's the thing, here's the principle.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
The principle is one does not negotiate with you, One
does not ever under these circumstances unless you are losing
and you have no choice. One never negotiates with evil,
certainly enough on a position of strength. I've said this

(32:37):
in the past, I'll say it again. I'll keep saying
it is or should have assumed. The hostages were dead
crushed from us in the first three months after October
seventh destroyed.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Gaza got it up.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
With really, really, really fast.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
We're two years in.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
And we're negotiating and come out stronger for the negotiations.
And the Palestinian you know, maybe they won't call themselves
Haramas anymore. They'll change their name, they'll change their faces.
But terrorism is not going away from this part of
the world. The Palestinians are not going to suddenly change
their spots and become completely different people. Their culture is

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not going to reverse on a dime. It will take
a generation at least to change it. But you know,
Trump is the kind of delusional you know, mops, the
type that has no problem negotiating with evil, has no

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problem cutting deals with evil, has no Somebody said, oh,
but look he did this, and this is their strategy.
The more I read about this, the more obviously is
that there's no strategy. There's just shooting for the hip,
as there always is with Trump. They will continue to
be shooting from the hip, and it would continue continue

(34:06):
to you know, continue to squeeze asrall and try to
get it to compromise, to sell out on its principles,
which means on its life. Again, one does not negotiate
with ramas one does not negotiate with evil. But Trump

(34:30):
and most of my compoliticians have never never gotten that principle,
never understood that principle. Uh, and we'll clearly continue.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
All right, we'll call that the show for today.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Again, this is a topic we'll keep monitoring and keep
keeping track of.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
And seeing what actually happens.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Again, my voice, after about forty minutes, my voice starts fading.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
So my voice is definitely fading. We'll see how long.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Well, I mean, I'm going to answer all the questions
and quite a few questions today. A lot of money,
which is really nice to see, and and a lot
of questions. So we'll take those. Feel fee to ask
more questions, that's fine, particularly if the dollar is associated
with it. But yeah, let's let's shift to that. And again,
this is not the last time you'll hear me talk
about this topic. We'll be covering it in detail as

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the week progresses, as the negotiations progress, as we learn
more about what is actually actually going on. I have
fee fee to ask questions about any topic. It doesn't
have to be this.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
I do want to mention this.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I mean, there are a number of demonstrations today pro
Israel in Europe.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
I think there's one in London for Falgus Squaya, There's one.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
In Paris, there's us a massive programs demonstration in Amsterdam.
What motivates people to go out and demonstrate in favor
of monsters? I mean some have said that thirty percent
of Amsterdam's population is at this demonstration, like it's mass,

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hundreds of thousands. This is not Muslims, this is not
all anti Semites, although some of them are.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
What motivates them is so what.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Motivates the massive demonstrations and just the overwhelming support that
Tramas has all over the West, Well, what motivates it?
And this will be my final point for today. What
motivates it is altruism. What motivates it is the suffering

(36:41):
of the Palestinian people in Gaza. What motivates it is
all strength and therefore by definition, its status is the
bad guy. When you see the crazy people weaving Tramas

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flags and demonstrating for Hamas and supporting Kramas and and
hating Israel, you should think about this is altruism. This
is the power of altruism. It makes facts reality irrelevant.

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All the matters is that you sympathize with the supposed
suffer and therefore victim.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
That you hate the strong, the able.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
It's what makes people sympathize with communism. From each according
to his ability, to each according to his need. You
need is what we must satisfy. You need is what
is attractive. Ability is a vice, Ability is a detriment.
Ability is something you must be penalized for. Need suffering,

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that is, that is to be put up on a pedestal,
that is to be admired, that is to be respected.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
And where does that come from? Where does that kind.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Of altruism, That worship of need, worship of suffering, worship
of those who suffer and those are in pain. That
that is Christianity, That is directly from Christianity. So I

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don't think when you see, I don't know two hundred
and fifty thousand people in Amsterdam, demonstrating. I don't think
two hundred fifty thousand people, you know, people in the
Netherlands or hate civilization and hate you know, hate Jews,
but fifty thousand are easily altruistic, and to the extent

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that they're Christian, secular, or religious, that altruism is strong.
Altruism is strong. The meek shall inherit the earth. The
meek are to be admired. The meek are to be
sacrificed too. And if you're strong and you're not sacrificing

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to the meek, if you're actually attacking the meek for whatever.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Reason, doesn't matter why, even if it's just.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Then you are the bad guy. You're the bad guy.
The meek always the good guys. This is Christian intersectionality
in unspades, and there's really Palestinian issue is just a
massive demonstration to the power of altruism.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Massive.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
All right, let's go to your questions. Not you have
a jolgorithm today has come out with four hundred or
more than that, but at least the top line is
four hundred dollars worth of questions, four hundred and twenty
at least dollars worth of questions, So thank you. Thank you,
Thank you, Not you have a Jogorithm, really really really

(40:20):
appreciate your supports today and of course every day because
you hear a lot supporting near on bookshow.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
So thank you.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
All right, let's start with that two hundred dollar question
from not you have a Jogorithm. People really change all
at once. They shift in stages. We need to present
the kind of ideas that make it safe in their
minds to rethink things. People don't renounce bad ideas when
they feel cornered. They leave when someone opens the door

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and doesn't shame them.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
From walking through it. I mean, is that really true?

Speaker 1 (41:04):
So I assume everybody listening to the show right now
went through change at some point in their lives. They
rejected the conventional morality, conventional philosophy, conventional ideas, and embraced
and rand, embraced rational self interest, embraced capitalism, embrased some

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ideas that were not accepted.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Did that change happen slowly?

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Did that change happened because you felt welcomed and the
door was left open for you? Oh?

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Was that change pretty violence? Did that change happened because.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
You had the cognitive dissonance and suddenly the realization that
what you believed was wrong.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
I don't know if there's one way to change people.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
I know plenty of people who are being changed by
being shaken, by being challenged, not with softness, not with progressive.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Ideas, but with radicalism.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
And indeed, I don't know how you can present ideas
in a way that make them safe for people. These
ideas are not safe. These ideas require independent thinking. They
require you to let go of all the crutches that
you have established with your parents, with your teachers, with

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your authorities, with everything else. So I you know, they
got to rethink it, But I don't know what it
means to be safe in their minds to rethink things
I suddenly didn't feel. I knew I was taking no
one's risk when I was rethinking everything. And I agree

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that you don't want to corner people. There's no reason
to corner people, there's no reason to be hostile to people.
But you want to challenge people. You want to create
the cognitive dissonance that requires change. When we go all soft,
you create spaces for people to resist the change.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Well, maybe what I hold is not that bad.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Maybe maybe we can compromise a little bit maybe I
can have I can be altruism, any goods. It's the
same time a little bit of socialism, neverhood anybody. So
I don't know that we know that much about how
people change and when people change. I do know that

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you're not going to have much success if you compromise,
if you whitewash, if you soften your piece so much
that it becomes that it becomes indistinguishable from so much
else out there in the world. But generally, you want
to make it possible for people to change their minds.

(44:24):
You want to be welcoming bet, you want to be
clear about what it means. You want to be clear
about what your ideas stand for. Thanks, don't you have
any algorithm? Okay, here's a two part question, one hundred
dollars each, Paul One. People do leave cultish movements like
Magham not because they humiliated, but because they're offered a

(44:45):
path back. Okay, So this is kind of because to
that other question, because they're offered.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
A path back.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
What happens someone to leave them a movement is not
publicly shaming, but exit ramps psychological doorways.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
To let people walk away from with their dignity.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Intact, we know this works because we've heard from Trump supporters.
I thought he was protecting people like me. Now I
see he was only protecting himself. That came from someone
who saw himself as patriotic, not hateful, realizing they'd been manipulated.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Suddenly there's a whole literature about how to get people
out of cults and what it takes to get people out.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Of a cult.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
A lot of it has to do with white people
going to cults to begin with, and to get them out,
which you have to understand why they went in. How
do you get people out of maga is that they're
going to have to figure out the evil that's being
done in their name. They're going to have to be

(46:05):
in a position where they look at some stuff that's
happening in the news and say, you know, I didn't
really vote for this. This is crazy. This isn't the
America I want to live in.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Now.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
I don't know how that manifests itself. I don't know
how that you know, plays out. I don't know what
it means that they have an exit ramp and how
all of that. What I know is they need to
be able to face the reality of what's happening, to
understand that it's happening in their name, and to be

(46:44):
able to say this isn't what I want. And I
don't know how you present that to them nicely, that
they have unleashed, you know, the forces of chaos and
mayhem and authoritarianism into the streets of America. I don't

(47:08):
know how you break that to them nicely. And I
don't know if you break it to them nicely, if
it has an impact on them, So yes, people will
walk away.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Not enough.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
It turns out MAGA is still overwhelmingly supportive of Trump. Generally,
Republicans overwhelmingly supportive of Trump. I don't see any significant
change that's happened, which means that whatever reality is out
there is not registered on these people. Or this is

(47:41):
what they wanted, this is what they've always wanted. They
love Trump, they like what he's doing. They like the mayhem.
They like ice running people down, brown skinned people down
and shoving them into They think that's amazing. They want

(48:07):
to see troops in the streets of democratic cities. They
want to shut the Democratic Party down and to shut
all those leftists down, and if it takes force to
do it, government force to do it, so be it.
I mean, Trump is asked none of his popularity among
his base as he's been doing what he's been doing.

(48:33):
So yeah, I don't know what it takes to get
somebody to abandon the MAGA movement. If the scenes on
television don't get it, I'm not your wit is going
to get them.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
James Trump doesn't promise solutions. He promises enemies.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
He doesn't say vote for me to improve your life,
but vote to punish the people who made you feel powerless.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Well, that's that's a solution.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Right.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
He promises justice, right, he promises help Boomstone.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
And for people who feel humiliated and left behind, that
kind of rage feels like power, I guess. So, I
don't know why they feel behind what they feel behind
of Some of them are quite successful. It's not clear
that they have been left behind at all. But yes,

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what he promises is to rage for them.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
What he promises is.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
The justice that so many Americans think that needs to
be inflicted on the left and on immigrants and on
I don't know corporations. And he's vindictive in a way
that they had.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
And he's action oriented.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
He doesn't quote overthink things. He doesn't intellectualize things.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
He emotes. He responds like like they do. C Yes,
people love this.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
People love his manifestation of manly power in.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Sending the troops into into the streets of America. That's
so manly. That's such a reflection of strength and power.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
And it's after their enemies, those democratic cities, all right,
not you have a jogorithm when someone fuse thank you, James.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
When someone fuses their.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Identity with the leader, criticism of that leader feels like
an attack on the self. That's why facts and logic
don't work. You're not debating policy, you're threatening their sense
of worth. Yeah, I mean that's right. But when somebody
fuses their identity with the leader, you can't reach them.
You can't reach them. They're gonna have to do the

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work to unwind their own identity from the leader's identity.
And these are people who feel the grieved since I
don't know, the Russia hoax supposedly in twenty sixteen, they
feel the grief since that first election, since you know,
Hillary Clinton called them, what was it? I forget, But yeah,

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these are.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
People who are feel like they are.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
They've been Yeah, they've been left behind and they've been ignored,
and that their identity is somehow connected to Trump's identity.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
I agree with that. I think that's right. It's a
personality worship. This is tribalism. This is tribalism.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Abraham Maga has always excused Trump and his allies, but
their two colors that be have been have long been clear.
Yet he still enjoys ninety percent Geopia approval. Something dark
has taken rude on the right, and it's damaged to
institutions will endure.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Absolutely, there's no question.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I mean, the right has abandoned all semblance of individual rights, of.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Liberty, of freedom.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
It is about power, naked power, and in this case,
power to penalize those who you feel like have offended you,
penalize those who you feel like are destroying your America.

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How you define America exactly, and it's not clear, but
your America is being defiled by them, and therefore you
want to use power in order to crush them. But yes,
you know, the damaged to institutions will endure.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
And uh, you know, we have lost a political party.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
There is no Republican party anymore, not not in the
old sense of the world. There is a new political party,
which is a you know, unworthy of America, you know,
unworthy of America.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
They don't live up to what a political party in
America should be.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Andrew Rand sharply criticized using superior to describe men of
great ability. She said, it's niche Nietzschean thinking and applies
an arbitrary metaphysical comparison among men and marginalizes free will.
Is that right, yes, and marginalizes morality. Morality is not

(53:57):
about intally. It's not about ability see ability. It's about choices,
and it's about the choices that you make, the kind
of human being you turn yourself into. And that is
not about being superior inferior. That is about choosing to

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live based on your mind, choosing to live a rational life,
and it is She rejected the idea that superior is above.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
No, I mean no, no superior human beings.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
That people who are better at this and better at that.
That people who are achieved more achieve less, make more money,
make less money, produce more values, less values. But that
doesn't make them superior, and it doesn't make them more moral.
Morality is something that anybody can achieve it, whatever level

(54:57):
of ability.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
So yes, morality is not an.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Issue of IQ, It's not an issue of ability, It's
an issue of choices. Rational Ip, thank you, rational Ip. I.
Just I turned for a trip to China and Hong
Kong really looking forward, looked forward.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
To Hong Kong.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
It's tragic that the city's future seems to be. How
close did Hong Kong come to objectives free market ideal?

Speaker 2 (55:25):
I think it came pretty close.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
It was one of the closest in human history, together
with the US and the late nineteenth century.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
And I mean it.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Did not have it never had a free political system.
It never had explicit recognition of individual rights and defense
of individual rights.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
It was all implicit.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
But there was a protection of contracts and property rights. Now,
for example, land was never a free market in Hong Kong.
Hong Kong, the state always controlled land and land use,
but for the most about there were very few regulations,
very few controls.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
There was immense amount of freedom.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
And while there was no political freedom in the sense
of voting, there were political freedoms in the sense of
free speech, which is more important.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
So yeah, I mean Hong Kong.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Was about as free as we've seen any country get
there were there was some there was a small welfare state,
there was some regulations, particularly later on, but mostly it
was left alone, even more so than than Singapore. So

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it's about as free as any place has ever been
on Planet Earth.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Ryan.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
In my opinion, refusing to judge shame people with evil
ideas is just sanction of the evil. You can't accompromise
or hide the truth of reality.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yeah, I mean absolutely.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
You know, we talked about this when I did my
He Runs Rules for Life, when you talked about.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Justice. You've got to judge, judge and be prepared to
be judged. But you've got to judge. It's a survival requirement.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
You cannot be successful in life if you don't judge
the people that you interact with, if you don't make
assessment about who's good and who's bad, who's positive force
and who's a negative force.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Who can you reach the life? Who hurts your life?

Speaker 1 (57:40):
And that's basically the fundamental right.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
So yeah, I mean I think that.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
I think that this is one of the most important
principles in the objectivists. In objectivism is judge and judge
negatively and judge positively. I mean, it's not just an
and it's not just the negative, it's it's also the positive. Now,
how you communicate that judgment depends on your motives and
your goals and your purpose.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
You don't always have to be harsh.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
It depends on who the person is, what the context is,
what exactly is going on, and what your what your
motives are.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
All right, let's see God voice still doesn't last for
very long time.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Jamie very pro free market and anti Guman intervention. But
how can a road, a power line, infrastructure get duplicated
once one company has the land or line in sordinary?
Is a natural monopoly? Seems almost inevitable. Well, let's say
a road from point eight to point B. It's quite

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possible that it'll be the only road from point eight
for point B. So what so they have call it
a natural monopoly of it? Why is that a problem?
That is, they'll they'll toll it, and they'll charge a toll,
and if you want to go from point A for
point B, you'll pay the toll, and if you don't
want to go, you won't. And you know there is
the potential to try to build another road from point

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eight to point B. There's not one path from any
two points and if there's enough demand for that road,
and if there's enough reason, and if there are things
that can be developed along the alternative road, then alternative
roads could be built.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
The same is true of a power line.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
There's absolutely no reason not to have more than one
power line. Now, if you keep the price of the
power line cheap enough of the power flowing through the
power line, then the incentive to build an alternative is reduced.
But I might just build a power plant closer to
closer to the customers, and there I don't have to

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duplicate your entire power lines. Or I might build a
power line under the road, or I might use a
wireless technology to get the electricity or whatever it is
that I'm funneling to them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
The point is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
If it is a natural monopoly, so what it still
doesn't justify your regulation charge as much as you can,
you can't charge anything in the route because people people
need to pay you in order to use the service,
So you'll charge more than other people charge.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Why is that a sin? Why is that bad?

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
And if you charge a lot and there are alternate options,
then markets will find a way around those alternative options,
including new technologies that might not require building out all
the infrastructure that already exists. All right, Nikoka, do a

(01:01:16):
members only show of your favorite movies. I've done some
members only shows of movies, but I will do more
of those. I'm way behind the members only shows. I'm
way behind on so the review shows that I promised
you guys. I'm still I will catch up one of
these days. Liam, the Trump cult was never about policy.

(01:01:39):
It's about identity, dependence and rage. How did the American
people become so psychologically vulnerable? Or have they been this
way since a new deal? No, I mean I've talked
extensively in how they became so vulerable.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
I've done it on the show. I've done lectures about this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
I mean, you can go back and find everything that
I've said about this. Or basically, I think that this
is a consequence of decades and decades of decades of
mixed economy. But then the three big events that made
them particularly vulnerable to this were nine to eleven the
financial crisis and COVID And nine to eleven financial crisis.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
In particular.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Basically destroyed the reliability of experts and leadership and people
in positions of authority. Their lies was so explicit was
so damning it also caused American people to lose any
kind of sense of self esteem. But yes, I think
that the psychology of Americans, self esteem and the sense

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of life of America is being dramatically eroded by dramatically
eroded by nine to eleven and the financial crisis. And
again I've given a whole talks on this and done

(01:03:02):
whole shows here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
On this, so you can reference those all right, BSR.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
What do you think it would take for the US
to rightly several relations with the record wretched kata I
feel the world is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
So deep in their pockets.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
I don't think there is a situation which the United
States would several relations with CUTA.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
I just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
I mean, that would require the United States developing a
moral backbone. It would require the United States to be
able to identify its interests in America first policy. It
would require the United States to actually care about justice
in the world and who the good guys and the
bad guys are. And I just don't see anybody in

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the US caring one way or the other about that.
Not to mention how much money cuts off A spent
over the last.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Few decades in.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Basically corrupting so much of our establishment, whether it's universities,
in politics, they lobby.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Much much, much, much more.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Than Israel does or the Jews do, but nobody cares.
Nobody cares. So yeah, I don't think it's gonna happen
anytime soon anyway, Efficient fleshing, have you have you heard
the Malays candidate for this election receive financial support from

(01:04:42):
a drug dealer?

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Sees me Lay still supports him. What is your view?
You know? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
I haven't heard about it. I don't know what kind
of drug dealer, I mean, a violent gangster. Who is
it exactly? Drug should be legal anyways. I'm not that
opposed to drug dealing. It's a question of whether it
also involves murdering and other stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
So I don't know. I don't know. I'd have to
research it and I'll look into it. Ali.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Hey, you onn just training mind about the book review
of the Tiger. Yep, It's on my list. I've not forgotten.
I'm riddled with guilt about not having done it already.
It will happen, I promise enery Ken Israel go alone
for its justice and their citizens' rights. Counted to demand

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of just about all nations in the world. Very difficult
to go alone without the United States backing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Israel is a tiny little country.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
It cannot supply everything that it needs. It needs, it
needs help and support. It's white caves to the United
States so often. The rest of the world not so much,
but the US it needs. Ryan Sending thousands of enemy
combatants back to the peacefully sounds so ridiculous. You cannot

(01:06:01):
make this stuff up, yep, and not only make it up,
but support it and chew it on and twist Natonio's
arm to get it done.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Absolutely can happen, Frank, Will you're electing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
More right wing leaders be the only way to deal
with Islam. Also, when the banner did me at campaigns
and people, was it free speech?

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Yes, as long as they weren't committing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
What do you call it deformation or something like that,
then it's free speech. And if it was defamation, they
could have been sued. Will you electing more right wing
leaders be the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Only way for it to deal with the slamp? It
might be?

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
I mean, look, uh, I hate to say this because
so you will freak out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
But look, the slump problem might just take care of itself.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
That is, if Hamas is defeated, if Iran is defeated,
the inspiration for the Islamists in Europe goes away. Many
Muslims in Europe actually do assimilate, I you know, not

(01:07:16):
a majority unfortunately, but many do and that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Will only increase over time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
That also will only increase if Islam miss them is
defeated in the Middle East. And it could be that
Islam just fades as a real dramatic issue. It could
also be that the liberal forces rise up in Europe and
they take care of Islam by doing the kind of
things that I talked about yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
But given a trajectory right now, the most likely path.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Is for right wing forces, anti liberty, anti freedom, right
wing forces in Europe to take care of Islam. Yes,
let me just see, I wanted to and there was
a bunch of stickers that I wanted to thank before
we finish. Stephen Happer, thank you for the sticker. Oops,

(01:08:13):
let's see, Lawson CALLI, thank you for the sticker. And
Jeffrey Jeffrey Miller, thank you for the sticker. Isa, So
thank you for the fifty dollars. We really really appreciate that.
And again, happy birthday. All right, Mary Ellen says, so
glad you're back. Thank you, Mary Ellen. Jonathan Hoding says,

(01:08:35):
welcome back, you on, thank you. Jonathan Okay Tony talks back.
What are your thoughts on Doctor Victor Frankel and man
search for Meaning? I just published a thirty minute video
on the subject your viewers may find interesting. You know,
I read Frankel's Social Meaning decades ago. I don't remember

(01:08:58):
the details. Look, the problem I find with most of
these accounts of meaning is, at the end of the day,
they're all searching for meaning outside of themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
And I'll do a longer show on this because this
deserves a show.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Meaning is to be fined with within you. Meaning is
something you find by living a meaningful life. And a
meaningful life means a life filled with reason and and
and and and productiveness and UH and pride, a life

(01:09:40):
filled with love and UH and friendship and and and
value creation. Meaning is to be fined in your own life,
in living the kind of life, a moral life that
is ultimately what.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Meaning is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
And and I find that attempts to find meaning outside
of oneself a destined to disasterin ultimately destined to undermine
your own capabilities to live a happy, successful life. I'm
not sure I've answered your question, but people you can

(01:10:20):
check out. Tony talks back philosophy and literature. He's got
a thirty minute video on Victor Frankel's Man Social Meaning,
which is an important book.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Check it out see what he thinks.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
There's no there's nothing that has higher meaning than you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
You are the highest meaning for you. There's nothing beyond that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
There's nothing more than that that you can want and seek,
and ultimately meaning comes from achieving happiness.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
I see, Felix.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
What's your view on hybrid systems like those in the
Gulf State states where cities build on large capital investments
coexist with authoritarianism. I think it's unsustainable. I mean, it's
hard to tell over what period of time, but it's unsustainable.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
I'm very negative about these systems.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
They're not systems oriented around individuals pursuit of happiness. They're
primarily oriented about the leaders of these places making a
lot of money and creating environments in which people feel safe.
But it's not clear that over the long run people
are safe in those places. I think they're very dangerous systems,

(01:11:35):
but look, they're better.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Then building.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
You know, prisons or building authoritarian regimes, the authoritarian through
and through, so at least there's some sense of freedom,
at least some people get to benefit from it. At
least some people get the freedom that's involved in living
in these places like Dubai and so on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
I find them suspect, and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
You know, I think the closest that I would be
positive towards Singapore because there's no religion behind the Singaporean
there's no royal family.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
There is a regime of political.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Party, but they don't have an ideology driving it like
Dubai and the Arab Emirates and so on, and even
Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Now there's no risk of it becoming really horrific. Singapore
for the most part.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Has managed this balance of some authoritarianism, not some authoritarianism,
with a lot of freedom even in Singapore. I don't
know how sustainable it is over the very long run,
but I trust Singapore more than I trust Dubai, and
I would consider living in Singapore.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
I would never consider living in Dubai because.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Not only is the an underlying authoritarianism, there's an underlying
there's an underlying.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
There's an underlying barbarism.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
There's an underlying uh, you know, uh Islamism, and and
and and in an appeal to Islam and way treat
women and in other ways that is that is incompatible
with true liberty and freedom that does not exist in Singapore.
I don't think Singapore is quite as based on race
as as some will suggest. At least I don't think

(01:13:34):
that's true. Jamie says, I'm a huge Milton Friedman fan.
I guess but what he had, what has he gotten wrong?
And who do you believe is the best economists dead
or alive to look up and read?

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Ps feel better? Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
I mean, Milton feed was good, but he was he
was wrong on a lot of things. I mean, he
was suddenly wrong in US central Bank most of his life.
Towards the end of his life he came to around
to the conclusion that it shouldn't exist. But most of
his life he supported a central bank and thought it
was it was right. I think there were a lot

(01:14:15):
of things like that. I don't have anything offhand right
now that he supported there was wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
He definitely had a.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Wrong view of morality and a wrong view of philosophy
around it. In terms of the best economist it's it's lootingly.
Von Messn Mesas is the most consistent and the best economist.
And generally I would read in the Chicago School from Menga,
von bowk.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Uh and and Uh and Uh and Misus.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Also Israel Kurtzner, who I think is still a life today,
is well. Kutzner is a great economist, and and there
are probably others, but but yeah, Mesas and Kutzner are
people you should be reading right now. All right, guys,
thank you very very generous, particularly not you average algorithm.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Thank you, but a bunch of you as that did
fifty dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
James, thank you, and and we had some stickers. Hopefully
my voice will be getting better over the next few days.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Days.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
We will have our we will be back to our
news format tomorrow, probably at two or three pm East
Coast time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
We'll see two or three pm eas Coast time. I
will see you all tomorrow. Have a great rest of
your Sunday. I'll see you tomorrow Monday. Bye, everybody,

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