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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Fundamental principles. I love leading, rational, self interest and individual runs.
This is the ran Brook Show. All right, everybody, welcome
to you on book show on this Wednesday, October twenty ninth.

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I hope everybody's having a great week. I am, as
you can see, not home. Won't be home for a
while still, but I am in Israel. This is my
hotel room in Israel. So please join me in a
quick prayer to the gods of the Wi Fi to
allow us to go through with the show with no

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technical Wi Fi related issues. I think that prayer should help,
and particularly if you guys joined me. If I did
it all alone, then I'm sure won't. All right, let's see,
we've got a bunch to talk about quite a bit.

(01:10):
Let me just give you a quick rundown on on
where I'm going to be and and uh and so on,
and possibilities of shows tomorrow being Crackow speaking. It is
open to the public, So if you're in Crackow or
anywhere near cracker or you want to fly into Crackow
to come to the talk Morality of Capitalism that that
is happening tomorrow. Information about that is on my website.

(01:33):
Information of all these talks, the ones that are public
is on the website on so that is. Yeah. I
hope we get a good turnout in Crackop, Poland on Friday. Yes,
so God, probably no show tomorrow. I mean if for

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some reason, you know, I get to my hotel room
really late at night and I'm fully energized around doing
another show, I guess I'll try to do one, but
unlikely then that. The day after that is is Prague. Again.
Information is available on my website. That's a conference. I'm
giving a talk to a bunch of mostly kind of

(02:15):
libertarians on white freedom. Why should you care about freedom?
Freedom is a means, not an end. So that'll be,
that'll be, that'll be fun. And I'm doing a podcast.
This is the Free Cities conference, so I'm doing a
podcast with them, and then we're going to dinner. So again,
long day, long night. Unlikely to do a show Saturday. Saturday.

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I'm an Oslo. I'm already cold just thinking about it.
I don't know how cold is going to be, but
just the name Oslo you kind of start shivering. I'm
speaking there to a it's a private event. Uh it's uh,
it is uh political party youth I think the youth

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branch of the political party, and yeah, we'll see that
is not I mean, I don't know what the plan
is for afterwards, dinner, all that stuff. We'll see. Maybe
I can do a show on Saturday. Definitely try to
do a show on Sunday. Sunday, I'm flying from Oslow

(03:21):
to Vienna. Vienna, I should have some free time, so
I should definitely do a show on Sunday. Monday, I'm
at the High Society again. You can find information about
the talk open to the public in Vienna on Monday
and then Tuesday, Porto, Wednesday, Thursday, Lisbon. Information on those
events is on the website. Please, if you have Portugal,

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there'll be all the events, at least all the other
other public events and you can attend. And then you know,
we'll talk about the various events after that in San

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Francisco and in Denver. We'll talk about those another time.
All right, So let's start with the good news. I mean,
good news. Wow, I was worried. I was worried about
this election for me, Lay. I was because of the
regional elections. And I'm not you know, I'm not an
expert on Argentinian and I'm not an exponent on Agentine,

(04:27):
and I'm certainly not an expert on Argentinian politics. And
the polls were mixed, that were showing me Lay kind
of neck and neck with the pronas to you know,
maybe leading him a little bit, but neck and neck.
Of the Argentinian population lives in Buenos Airis and and
Bonos Airus is the province he lost during the regional elections,

(04:51):
So that was a worry. The economy had had slowed
down or wasn't doing as well since that election, and
confidence in the Peso, which then affects the election, and

(05:11):
you know, also the confidence in the Paese declined significantly,
so the Peser was in trouble. Now. Trump kind of
helped bail me lay out a little bit by doing
a billion dollar garvantee and then promising to help raise
twenty billion in the private markets. So that that was
I think helped him in the election. Bet it was
very dicey, and yet he pulled it off. I mean

(05:34):
he got over forty percent of the vote. He beat
the pair Owus by about ten percentage points. He has
significantly boasted his position in Parliament to the point where
now if he vetos a bill, they won't be able
to override it. They could overwrite it before. He still
is a long way from a majority, let's be clear.

(05:55):
So he's going to have to work with other political parties.
There is a right of center political party, kind of
a right of center Malquis Malci, who was president what
I said eight years ago, leads a political party that
is right of center, that is on many issues friendly
to Milaise. So he will have their backing. But he's

(06:18):
going to have to form some kind of broader coalition
to actually get a majority in parliament. And he needs
a majority. He needs a majority if he wants to
do everything he wants to do. And there are a
few things, a few things that he's going to need
Parliament's help to do. You know, he needs Argentina drastically

(06:41):
desperately needs taxophone. It's got a horrible tax system, disincentivizes
pretty much everything, dis incentivizes investment, distincentivisers exports, distance, aivisers, inputs,
you know, dis incentives work, simplification and elimination of a
lot of taxes, particularly in export imports on capitol. We'll see,

(07:05):
but he's going to have to put together comprehensive tax
rephone in the new parliament, and he's going to have
he's going to need a majority to pass that. The
Peronists will not support that, and they're still the largest
single political party in parliament. It's just now that Uh
Malay and the Conservatives the center right are now bigger

(07:28):
than the Pronists combined. But Malay's party is still smaller
than the Pronis. But here's the thing about Malaya before
we get to the other things he needs to do
is going to do. Just a few years ago, he
didn't exist. That is, this political party came from nowhere,
literally from nowhere over the last eight years to a

(07:50):
position whether the second largest party in Argentina, and you know,
quite you know, if things go well, they could only
become the largest political party in Argentina and have a
president who not only serves four years but gets re elected,
which is pretty rare. So what Melee has done from

(08:11):
a purely political perspective is truly astounding in terms of
building a new political party where the Peronists and the
Conservatives pretty much dominated Argentina politics, and build a completely
new political party and has now built up even in

(08:31):
parliament a presence. It's not just him, it's not just
his charisma. Now it's a whole political party and there's
real support in Argentinian people. We'll get to that in
a minute. So so taxophone is gonna have to do
massive taxophone. This also he would like to do, and

(08:52):
he needs to do, but this will be more difficult.
Is significant labor reform. He needs to make it easier
to hire and fire. And in order to make it
easier to hire, you have to make it easier to fire.
So all those protections for the unions, all these protections
the unions have fought for and will defend, he needs

(09:15):
to get rid of those because that is what will
create a dynamism within the economy. I think he'll continue
whatever deregulation he can, whatever deregulation get past, But deregulating
the labor market is huge. I think he tried to
do that early, but he couldn't get it past Congress.
He needs to pension reform again. The systems convoluted and

(09:38):
corrupt and ineffective. And you know, government spending is too high,
so he's going to have to reform that. And then
the other things that he wanted to do and couldn't
do was a lot of privatization. Some privatization he got
through the first time. There's a lot more he would
like to privatize. He's gonna have to build a coalition

(10:00):
to get that done. So the next stage in the
Malay revolution, in the economic revolution, political revolution of Aaviomila
requires passing laws. It requires passing bills through Congress, through
the parliament, both the lower house and the upper house.

(10:21):
And for that he's going to have to build coalitions,
first of all with the Conservatives, but then I think
with some of the smaller regional political parties who tend
to be leftists. But maybe he can selectively carve out people,
give them the right incentives play politics. He's not very
good at that, but you know, maybe he's got some
people within the party will be able to do it.

(10:44):
He also comes with a real mandate. He did win right,
He got more votes than any other political party by
significant margins. So the Argitinuan people clearly made a statement.
And what's interesting is that in Bonos Aires, where again

(11:04):
the Peronists basically beat him in the provincial voting, the
people who typically voted Perorners the poor primarily, even though
the Proornisters are nothing for the poor, but they keep promising,
they always promise, and somehow the poor believe them. Anyway,

(11:26):
it looks like the poor just stayed home this time.
They didn't necessarily, you know, back in Malay, but it
does seem like they stayed home and didn't vote for
the pro Honists generally. One of the sad things about
this election, one of the few sad things about this
like it is their turnout was very, very low. I

(11:48):
think the lowest in some like forty years, sixty eight percent.
I think of the population voted, where they usually have
much higher because they have compulsory voting. So a lot
of the populations said, ah, we're just gonna stay home
and see what happens. We're not quite ready to jump
on on this. And the next two years are gonna

(12:10):
be crucial because Melay, it's gonna take me later fully
revolutionizer just in the economy more than four years. And
over the next two years he's gonna have to do
enough to get the economy going, to create jobs, to
bring people out of poverty, and at the same time
so as to boastate popularity so he can win, but
not just him. His political party wins in parliament in

(12:33):
two years and maybe maybe can achieve the kind of
majority to really be revolutionary. There's no talk about dollarization.
That seems to be off the table at least for now.
Maybe that has to wait until he has an out
and out majority in his political party. It does seem

(12:55):
like the current currency regime will stay and he will.
There will be this band in which the Paeseol trades
and the central bank will intervene if it tries to
if it goes out of that band. It's not ideal.

(13:17):
Ideally he would float the covency completely, but it seems
like they're going to keep this band. On the day
of the election, just to give you a sense of
the approach, you know, kind of how investors will think
about the day of the election, the Argentina stock pocket
went up eighteen percent eighteen percent in one day. Now,

(13:38):
this is after it had gone down a lot since
the regional so I own like an Argentina in ETF
because I bought it and did very well in twenty
twenty four. Twenty twenty five sucked, it went down a lot. Basically,
it made up all its losses in one day and
then my understanding is Tuesday was and then Tuesday it

(14:01):
went up another ten twelve percent, so total went up
thirty percent, which is amazing for stock market in two days.
So it's I think it's at the highest level it's
been the last few years. And that is the kind
of I think confidence the markets have. Now there's still
not confident in the currency. The pace so went up

(14:22):
on Monday, came down on Tuesday, so the pace is
not particularly strong. I think again people are taking away
and see attitude around it and see what the country
regime is going to be. But yeah, I mean I'm
very excited because I really want to see what's next.

(14:42):
Malaya's being the most exciting, the most interesting, and the
most positive political phenomenon. Is that, right, phenomenon? I think
it's phenomenon. I know it's not phenomena, which I usually
say that's bad bad that don't say phenomena, right, Uh
So I know, so it's he's being the most positive thing.

(15:06):
So yeah, I want to I want to see it
keep rolling, and I want to see how far he
can go. And I want to see I'd love to
see Argentina become a Leslifi capitalist country, or at least close.
I'd like to see it, you know, break into the
top ten economic on the Economic Freedom Index. Imagine if

(15:30):
in probably not two years, but maybe in four years,
Argentina is more free economically than the United States. I mean,
that would be so amazing. It's such a model for
other countries to EMULAID. And and of course we know
what will happen. Economic growth will go like this, I
mean it will go It'll go exponential, because that's what
economic freedom does, that's what you know, increased economic freedom.

(15:53):
So it's very I'm very excited. I'm very positive. I'm
looking forward to to really keep me track, I know,
I just saw that there's going to be a conference
of the montpellerin Society in twenty twenty seven in Buenos Aires, A.

(16:13):
I'm definitely going to that conference, and that'll be find
it'll actually be I think it'll be just before the election,
the presidential elections, so that'll be huge. I wouldn't be
surprised if me Leae makes an appearance and we'll have
a lot of Argentinian economists there, and that's a montpellerin
Society meeting I definitely intend to go to. So I'm

(16:38):
looking forward to that. I'm looking forward to that. H
what else? What else to say about me? Lay? You know, again,
it's not a slam dunk. I want to make that clear.
It's still going to be hard. There's still going to

(17:00):
be coalition building going to be necessary. He's going to
have to prove that he can do that. He's gonna
have to. I hate to say this, but he's going
to have to compromise. He's going to have to. I mean,
this is the standard, right, this is the standard in politics.
Anything that moves you towards more liberty, towards more freedom,
is good. So even if you don't get one hundred

(17:23):
percent of freedom, it's better to get seventy percent than
where you are today, which is twenty percent. Right, So
you want to move towards more freedom, and he can
if he can keep moving the dial, keep moving the country,
keep moving the laws, keep moving the regulatory regime towards
more freedom, privatize and deregulate and fix the tax system.

(17:47):
It's going to be huge, huge, if you can fix
the tax system and get rid of all the capital controls.
I mean, this is in the next two years. In
the next two years, you'll know things are successful. If
me Laya has gotten rid of all the capital controls,
all the restrictions on the ability to use dollars and

(18:07):
moved dollars and in and out and exporting inputs controls
are all gone, and the taxes and simplified. It would
be amazing. If me lay implemented kind of a flat tax,
flat income tax or a consumption tax and got rid
of the income tax even better, and then got rid
of all other taxes. Imagine if Argentina, I mean there

(18:28):
probably are a few countries that do this, but imagine
if Argentina, you know, a place that everybody's looking at,
instituted a simplified you know, one tax, one simple flat
tax and then prospered. It would be truly amazing. And

(18:50):
you know the thing people are going to look at
is if you still got about thirty percent of the
Argentina population living in poverty. And a big part of
how you measure success is going to be how many
people come out of poverty. There's no reason more than
ten percent of the population should be poor as defined
by I guess relative poverty. And there's no reason he

(19:13):
can't really make a significant dent in the poverty rates
over the next over the next two years. And you
do that by moving incrementally, but moving towards more freedom,
more freedom. Vote down anything that's moved your way for freedom,
I don't know, tariffs, for example, and vote for anything
that moves you towards more freedom, like eliminating tarists for example.

(19:37):
That that should be the principle of politics. Now, some
bills move you towards and move your way at the
same time, so you have to be careful, right, But
that is that is the that is the principle, all right.
So you know what melaised On is is truly astounding.

(20:01):
He is a real political hero in a world where
there are no political heroes. There really is nobody to
admire and nobody respect, and nobody doing anything anything anything close.
I haven't seen this video, but a lot of people
in the chat are saying that Nikos has put out

(20:24):
recently put out a really good video on Melee. I'm
not surprised Nicos does really good videos. He's got a
number of videos on a number of different topics that
are really good. Go check them out. Subscribe to Nicos's channel,
Subscribe to Substack, Subscribe to his Twitter account. Yeah, you
got to support these younger intellectuals. You've got to support

(20:47):
the up and coming guys that are doing good work.
Reward them by subscribing. Yeah. So, I you know, I
think that I think that we are moving towards a

(21:12):
dramatic changes in Argentina over the next two years. And again,
I think melay Is is the best politician on the
planet right now, the only one that I know of
systematically thoroughly moving a status economy towards greater freedom. He's

(21:32):
got to give him credit for that. Whatever vices he has,
and I'm sure he has some, that is such a
huge virtue that vices are forgiven. Yeah, all right, let's see.

(21:54):
I want to give you an update in Gaza. I'm
in Israel right now, and God, I'm visiting my parents
in the news is on twenty four to seven in
that house, so all you hear is the news. So
I'm kind of being swamped with not only what's going
on in Gaza, but also kind of Israeli internal Israeli politics,
which I won't I won't burden you with, but I

(22:16):
do think the Gaza stuff is interesting and it just
shows that the various attitudes towards victory in towards what's entailed. Okay,
so there's this ceasefire, right and Hamas has promised to
return all all the hostages, and here all includes not
only the live hostages, but also the dead ones. Haramas

(22:38):
has discovered over the years that is your values. Getting
back the bodies of dead Israelis almost as much as
getting back live Israelis. And in order to get the
bodies back, that will need to give up a lot.
But Hamas, as part of the agree as part of

(23:00):
this Trump peace Deal Phase one, they were supposed to
release all the live hostages and all the bodies. They
have released all the live hostages, and they've released, you know,
less than half of the dead of the bodies. You know,
they're releasing them slowly. They're claiming they don't know where
they are, but that's a lie. They probably don't know

(23:21):
where about maybe eight bodies are, but the rest they
know where they are right now that they still have
thirteen bodies, so you know, there's all this drama playing
out as they release the bodies and Israel identifies them,
and sometimes Ramas sends over a body of somebody unrelated,

(23:43):
some Palestinian probably Israel takes these bodies and does d
NHS on them and then releases their identities. And often
again the bodies are released are not the bodies of
Israelis that were held in captivity in Gaza. So there's
a lot of suspense every time the the Hamas hands

(24:05):
over bodies to the Red Cross that brought into Israel.
Then they're identified and then the families discover whether the
bodies they or not. Well, yesterday, well the day before yesterday,
Hamas supposedly released a body and when they did the
testing on it, the DNA testing, they discovered that it
was a body part. This is pretty morbid of a

(24:31):
body that was that Israel kind of discovered way back
in the end of twenty twenty three. Uh, and this
was a body part of And since then Hamas has
given another body part that is this This body's been
completely you know, broken, and Hamas is releasing it in pieces. Now.

(24:59):
The Jewish religions, as you have to open open the grave,
we bury every piece. I mean, put aside the absurdities
of all that, and the fact that the fact that
you know, it's a whole religious thing. You know, why

(25:19):
you would compromise or do anything for the sake of bodies.
I don't know their bodies. They're dead. Their value is minimal.
The families don't feel that way. Anyway, this was viewed
as a significant breach. And then it was discovered. And
here's the funny thing, right, funny disgusting thing is it
was discovered that Hamas had taken this body pot which

(25:39):
they were holding someway, probably an refrigerator somewhere. They had
stuck it in the earth, Someway, covered it up, called
the Red Cross, uncovered it, and see, oh we discovered
a new body. And the Israel has all of this
on video, them bringing the body pot, covering it up,
calling the Red Cross, uncovering it. The whole charade is

(26:03):
on video. So the population in Israel was just infuriated
that Hamas is playing these kind of games, torturing the
family members, and and that the Red Cross it is
so clueless that it's playing along with these things. So
there was already a real push in Israel to forget

(26:24):
about the ceasefire and and really go after Hamas and
take territory and bomb them and crush them. But then
they talk to the Americans and in there was a
security council like the government met and they were trying
to decide how to respond to this, and N'teniel Biba Nataniel,

(26:45):
the Prime minister. Baski said, hmmm, well, I can't make
a decision without calling Trump, Like we're talking about a
sovereign country. We're talking about the head of a sovereign country.
Can't make a decision without calling Trump. Anyway, they called Trump.
Trump said no, go don't retaliate. This is not bad enough.

(27:06):
No retaliation approved. And it was a huge debate in Israel.
Have we become a client? Has thee become a client
state of the United States? This is all now need
permission to defend itself? Does ziral now need permission to
you know, decide when to retaliate and when not to retaliate.

(27:37):
And it's uh so a huge amount of debate about
how much sovereignty does Israel have. Later in the day yesterday,
after this is all transpiring, and the government mets and
decide not to do anything or to do something very minimal.
Then some Hamas fighters came out of a tunnel and

(28:00):
killed an Israeli soldier who was on reserved duty. And
then it was obvious. I mean, the country was really upset,
and at that point people were really upset, and there
was no I don't think politically, you know Trump, no
would have would have sufficed. But it's still true that

(28:20):
the government called up Trump. It was it was late
at night in or maybe they called a Rubio, but
it was late at night in Tokyo or Trump was
and basically got his permission, and then they spent about
eight hours bombing the hell out of certain parts of Gaza.
Let me know if the video cut out there they

(28:42):
might have been a little video glitch. Let me know
if that happened or if you got it. So, yes,
Trump gave his approval, but only for eight hours. If
I'd say this, if Israel was not seeking, if Israel
was not seeking America's permission, I think tanks will be

(29:04):
rolling now towards Garza City. I think the killing last
week of two Israelis the killing of today. I have
a soldier that would have been too much of the
Israeli government and they would have been maybe not taking
Garza City, but they would be starting squeezing Hamas even more,
taking territory, you know, and really teaching Hamas a lesson.

(29:30):
So the point here is that from Trump's perspective, everybody
on Israeli television, this is what they're saying, and I
think they're basically right. Basically these the peace in the
Middle East after three thousand years of conflict, that joke. Anyway,
peace in the Middle East is the one achievement Trump
could point he really doesn't have any other achievements, not Ukraine,

(29:56):
not really nothing right internally domestically, economy is not doing
that well. It's not doing badly, but it's not doing great.
And he's got the stock rocket and the peace in
them add least. And so he wants this agreement to work,
and he will not let Israel jeopardize it, and he

(30:19):
will not let Israel defend itself and retaliate in the
way that needs to retaliate to put Commas in its place.
So we continue to compromise. Soul just continues to die
for really no reason. And yeah, it's it's disgusting, it's upsetting,

(30:43):
its tragic, but it is what it is. In a
you know, as a as another kind of dig it
Israeli sovereignty, if you will. The United States has set
up a base in Israel for the first time, like
a not for the first time, but it set up
a base in Israel. It's a whitehouse. It's a facility.

(31:03):
They're supposed to coordinate aid and to coordinate monitoring the
ceasefire and will ultimately supposedly be the headquarters of the
new I don't know, Peace Commission that runs Gaza uh
And it's a it's a warehouse inside Israel, run by
the US military. They've got two hundred people there and

(31:25):
it was all put up in a week. And the
funny thing that everybody's making fun of was NATANIAO. In
order to visit it needed permission from the Americans. So
again it was like the Prime Minister of Israel can't
even go somewhere in Israel without getting Trump's permission. He's
become Trump's lapdog. Israel has become a client state of

(31:48):
the United States. It is It is pretty funny. This
warehouse is not far from is kind of on a
small city in southern Israel, not too far from Gaza itself.
So about twenty miles twenty miles from Gaza, but it
is where the United States is coordinating all its efforts
around Gaza. Not clear what those efforts are going to be.

(32:11):
I think for now it's mainly monitoring to see who
violated decease fire, who the good guys, who the bad guys,
something like that. The whole thing is just such a charade.
It's such a charade. It's so ridiculous. I thought this
was interesting, and that is that. You know, we're two

(32:34):
years into this war, over two years now, since October seventh.
You know, Gaza has been destroyed. Many people have died
in Gaza, though the numbers are fairly small given two
years of war in a in a what do you
call it, it's a residential area, civilian area, and given

(32:56):
the way they're counting the numbers, the numbers are small.
But you know, but but you know, Hell has rained
down on the gardens and they be taken from their homes.
Their homes mostly have been destroyed hamasas as a fighting
forces mostly been destroyed, though as you can see, they
can still kill soldiers here and there. And yet the

(33:18):
reality is, and this is a reality that most people
want to evade or at least most Israelis won't evade.
The reality is that Ramasa is still popular among the Palestinians. Indeed,
fifty three percent of Palestinians Palestinians, not just Guardians, not
just Hamas supporters. Fifty three percent of Palestinians, West Bank

(33:42):
and Gazans say the decision by Hamas to launched October
seventh was correct. Over fifty percent of Gardens support October seventh.
Even after they're seeing the consequences of it, both the
consequences of the barbarity of it, but also the consequences
to them of what happened, they still think it's a
good idea. Killing Jews is more important than Palestinian life.

(34:05):
They worship death, they don't care about life, and that's
the thing that characterizes them. And so I've said this
is a war with the Palestinians, not just with Camas,
because Tramas is the war for you know, seventh In
supported by over fifty percent. Overall satisfaction with Hammas performance

(34:29):
is sixty percent. Sixty They're losing and destroyed and all that,
and they still have support. Sixty six percent of people
in the West Bank support Kramas fifty one percent in
the Gaza strip. When asked which political party people support,

(34:50):
thirty five percent said Tramas, twenty four FATA thirty two
said either none or they're not sure right, neither one
of the two. There's as, Islamic Jihad, and all kinds
of other smaller political forces. If legislative elections were held today,
among likely voters, forty four percent with Hamas, thirty for FATA,

(35:13):
ten percent, other sixteen undecided. That is Hamas comes out
as the largest political party in Gaza, in sorry in
Gaza in the West Bank. Among the Palestinians, in a
presidential race between Khalid Michal, who is the leader of Hamas,
and Abbas, the candidate of Fatah, the Hamas candidate wins

(35:35):
easily sixty three to twenty seven. And the reality is
that over the last two years, during the since October seventh,
support for Hamas has increased rather than decreased. So Hamas

(35:59):
is incredible popular and has not been beaten. Israel has
not won the war because winning the war means giving
up that Palastinians give up. By supporting Hamas, they have
not given up. And this goes back to the fact
that the war has not been waged in a way

(36:20):
as to defeat, crush and bring to their knees the
Palestinian people. The Palestinians need in order for them to
be peace. The Palestinians need to be convinced that the
Hamas routes, just like the Germans who convinced the Nazi
rout just like the Japanese were convinced the imperialist route,

(36:40):
that route led to only death and destruction, and that
they must change their ways. The standard by which you
know if you wonder the war is how popular your
enemy is. And if the enemy is still popular, you
are losing, losing big time. Israel Is at the end

(37:03):
of the day, losing him. It's safer. But we're no
way close. I mean, Trump has this goal of a
Palestinian state. You cannot do a Palestinian state if Hamas
is going to win elections supposed to this band and
and and you know, uh, demilitarize. But all that will

(37:26):
happen is that Hamas sentiment will go into a new
political party call them chichik, I don't know, call them
whatever you want to call them, that will hold all
the views of Hamas. It just won't be called Hamas,
call them the Muslim brotherhood, and you will have done nothing.
So Palestinian state in the county environment is impossible. Impossible,

(37:53):
It's a fantasy. Only way you're going to get any
kind of Palestinian state is is if you completely change
Palestinian's attitudes towards life, towards their own life, and towards Israel.

(38:13):
COMASO would have to get, you know, an insignificant percentage
of support from the Palestinian people for them to be
any chance a peace in the future. So things are
not looking up in Israel, and in terms of in
Gauza put it that way, in terms of Gauzza, all right,

(38:35):
I just wanted to make a note. I don't have
a lot to say about this, but I just wanted
to make a note for all of you just to
say you're gonna We're hearing a lot about trade deals.
I supposedly the United States as a trade deal now
with Malaysia and with Vietnam and with all these other countries.
And we were told a few weeks ago that these
trade deals were cut and then we've got a you know,

(38:58):
Trump is in Asia right now now, so he has
to have a win. So We're heard you know a
lot about these trade deals, and I just want to
remind you their own deals. All these are frameworks. None
of these frameworks are really real. None of these frameworks
of the details being worked out. None of these frameworks
lead us towards more liberty, towards more freedom, towards more trade,

(39:24):
economic freedom, and freedom generally. So they failed by the
standard of only supported legislation. If it moves you toward freedom,
they all move us away. They all are worse than
what the situation was before Trump got elected, before Trump
started on this triff crusade. But you're gonna hear a

(39:45):
lot about them. And then I think today he's meaning
it was she, or tomorrow's meaning with she, you mean
it was key and they'll announce a big trade deal.
There will be no trade deal. It's a framework. Again.
They have now worked out all the details, and it's
not going to be that great. It's not going to
be that great. Uh. And if you compare it to

(40:07):
again the status quo before Trump started on all this,
you know the stepper that the status quo before he
got started was better. That is, Trump has negotiated us
into worse deals, has negotiated us into a worse state
of affairs with regard to trade. So I just wanted

(40:33):
to warn you of that, remind you of that because
I see a lot of reports, Oh he stuck the
steal and I know for you know, I was on
I was on Dave Ruben and you can find the
Dave Ruben Show. I think it's on his YouTube channel
to see if a YouTube channel. Uh, I just love

(40:55):
what happened here. Why does this not work? Miroslav? Sorry,
not Vertie slow, they get vertue luve. Miroslav put up
the link to the Dave Rubin. They do Dave Rubin Show,
so check it out. It's about a forty five minute interview. Uh.

(41:16):
And uh, you know, I think it's it's on YouTube.
You can you can check out just Dave Rubin's channel
and check it out. I would check out the comments
underneath it. I guess I didn't. I haven't seen the
comments on YouTube. And I saw the comments on Rumble
and God with the comments hostile to me. They hated me.
It didn't they didn't just dislike me. They hated me.

(41:37):
And why because of this? Exactly because of because of
the very fact that I was against tariffs, and Dave
didn't agree with me. So Dave was like saying, yeah,
but Trump is saying, we're getting really good deals with

(41:58):
these countries and we're getting improved trade relations with him.
And he said, so what he's saying is he lying?
And I said, yeah, he's lying. He's lying. Oh, he's ignorant.
I mean, which I think it's both. He's lying and
he's ignorant and stupid, but he's lying. And I said that,
So God, do they hate me? So yeah, Diana says,

(42:24):
when I look at what your friend has achieved in
his life and what Trump has achieved, I'm going with Trump.
That's a standard, that's a standard, how much money you have.
And then they go after me on immigration, and they
go after me on all this stuff. It's just amazing

(42:47):
to me, the extent to which I am despised by,
because in the past, when I first went on Dave
Rubens show, they love me. I mean, I got so
many new subscribers and they really, really really loved me.
I mean, the comments were amazingly positive. And what's changed
is not me at all. What changed is Dave's audience.

(43:10):
Dave's audience has changed completely and now it's a manga audience.
It's an audience committed to manga, and that's interesting. So
but check out the interview. I think I think you'll
enjoy it. And yeah, you know, you'll see a slice
of the world if you check out the comments. All right,

(43:36):
what did I I did get it. I think I've
gotten a small bump from that. Yeah, yeah, I definitely
got a small bump. So i'd say you have about
twenty subscribers I think from Dave Ruben Show, so there's
definitely a little bump up. It's not the days where
I got hundreds of new subscribers from the Dave Ruben Show,

(43:58):
hundreds literally hundreds. But it's not bad. You know, I
need these bumps because organically it's it's pretty slow. So
I will I will take it. Okay, So trade deals
not really deals, not really deals. And then also want

(44:21):
to say, it's just a little bit about you know,
what's going on with the US military. And first of all,
there's only in a certificate intensification of the military and
the concentration of the military in the Caribbean Sea. There's
now I think the aircraft carrier Forward is heading towards

(44:42):
the southern Caribbean and close to Venezuela. So so when
you get an aircraft carrier, you're getting serious. So it's
leaving I think the Mediterranean and heading towards the Caribbean.
Maybe there are any day now and so, and then

(45:03):
they continue to just bomb boats. I mean, this is
one of the things I just don't get. I'm curious
from the Trump lovers out there, what you think. How
is it legit for the US government to just bomb
boats because they think those boats are carrying drugs without
any need for proof. I mean, this is not a war.

(45:31):
There's no war. And you know, cartels are not terrorists,
and what cartels are bad and they're hubbable, and they
might be circumstances which you want to blow them out of,
you know, attack them if they're trying to commit acts
of violence against Americans, but they're not. You're not fighting

(45:54):
them in America. You find them in Caribbean c and
boats that can't reach America. Those boats cannot reach America
from where they're being launched. They'd have to stop to
refuel twenty times. And you're just bombing them. There's no
list of most wanted like they offer the terrorists and

(46:15):
we're using drones to kill the most wanted ones. No,
we're just just bombing boats because we think maybe they
have drugs, you know, where drugs are not an enemy
that kills. Drugs don't kill. Sorry, drugs don't kill any
more than you know. People are really particularly conservatives by

(46:37):
the guns kill, and they go guns don't kill, people kill,
And there's true to that. Guns don't kill, people kill.
Drugs don't kill, you know, and drugs don't kill people kill,
people commit suicide. People choose to take drugs. They choose

(46:58):
to take drugs, and some of those drugs are laced
of fence and on. Everybody knows that they choose to
take the risk. Drugs don't kill. The cartels don't. I
mean they kill over wars related to drugs, to the
drug trade, the gangster wars. But they're not killing that

(47:21):
many Americans. Most of those that killing is going on
in Mexico in other Latin American countries. Some die in America,
and the cartel should be stuffed from doing that. But
drugs don't kill, and drugs are out of violation of
individual rights. And it's not the job of government to

(47:41):
blow people up out of their boats. I mean, it's
just shocking to me that nobody seems to care. Really,
I mean, there's almost no nobody. The United States government
is basically ordering it's military, I mean blow up boats.
I mean. Good for the general who's in charge of
the Southern Command, who basic he said, I think, I mean,
was he resigned a few weeks ago. This isn't what

(48:04):
I signed up for. I signed to defend the lives
and property of America, to defend its interest. This isn't it.
This is just some macho bs of af flexing muscles
and showing the world how bruto we are, how savage

(48:25):
we are. How you can support this as an objectivist
I don't understand. You know again, drug should be legal
in an objectivist world. This is not a policy that
moves us towards more freedom. It moves us away from freedom.

(48:46):
Are there a lot of tolls today in the chat?
I don't see that. That's interesting. Yeah. I haven't followed
the chat closely, so I haven't noticed them. But good,
you know, it's good that I'm knowing the chat. I
think a lot of people who listen to the show

(49:06):
after the fact, they're very happy by that. So, yeah,
the military is being used there. And look, there's a
precursor here. If Americas start thinking and agreeing that yeah,
it's okay to blow up boats because the foreigners, and
they might be cut to tell members. We're not sure
if they cut tell members. But you know, somebody said

(49:27):
on the chat the other day, people outside America don't
have rights. Well, yeah, paigners don't have rights. That's very bizarre.
Nocean of Rights writs a universal. So maybe because I had,
you know, maybe there's a lot of trolls, because Nick

(49:48):
Foyntis's name is in the title, that could be possible.
Maybe when I talk about Nick Foyenttis will get even
more all right to do it. I mean lots of
is good for the it's good for the show, it's
good for the algorithm. Anyway, Once we get conditioned to
blowing up random people in boats in the Caribbean Sea

(50:11):
as long as they're not an American, and we get rid,
and we get we get used to ice arresting people
randomly because of kind of their skin and then maybe
releasing the Americans after the fact. But once we get
used to the fact that the government can use can
just engage in random initiation of force wherever it wants to,

(50:35):
whenever it wants to. Then the next step is what
Trump told us I think today or yesterday on air
plos one. He basically said, yeah, there's certain acts I
can put you know, I can put into place and
nobody will question me, the judges won't won't stop me,
and that'll allow me to use the military anywhere I want,

(50:55):
everywhere I want in America. And somebody asked me, you
mean more than the National Guard? He said, yeah, the Marines,
the Navy, the Army, you know, everything in America. So
what now we blow up I don't know, people we
might think of criminals. Why are we bothering depoting illegal immigrants?

(51:18):
Why don't we just blow up the buildings in which
they live and be done with it. By the way,
I'm kidding, just because I know that people on here
are going, Yes, that's exactly what we should do. No,
I mean talk about you know, violating rights. This idea
of just deploying the US military in the US with

(51:43):
no guardrails, no limitations, deploying the US military to kill,
deploying the entire US military beyond the National Guard, and
Trump believing that he has the full authority and nobody
can stop him from doing it. I mean, it's true
that we do not have an a congress anymore, that

(52:04):
the Congress is completely I'm looking for this guy, all right,
he's the one I supposed to block. Okay, all right,
I've been told to block somebody, so let me let
me just block him. Ah all right, that didn't work. Uh, Tom,

(52:35):
where is he? I saw him? There? He is? Okay,
all right, Tom, hide user on this channel. Okay, use
of Stalin is gone. I mean that combination use of
fans Stalin, that was a dead giveaway. I'm not reading
the chat, but my wife texted me and said block

(52:56):
use of Stalin, and I do what my wife tells
me generally in like, so that's good. So yeah, you
of Stalin gave me one hundred dollars. No you, sus
Stalin didn't give me a hundred dollars. Uh rahasam give
me one hundred dollars, not use of Stallin? All right? Uh?

(53:22):
What what else do I want to say about that
military use? I mean again, nobody's challenging, nobody questioning. Uh,
it's it's it really is just unbelievable. And we'll get
to why in a minute, because we'll talk about fo intest.
You know, just a wood on Trump corruption, just just

(53:45):
just a note on this. Right, over the last six months,
the Trump family have made eight hundred million dollars eight
hundred million dollars of profit encrypt dope, almost all of
it with foreign investors. I mean, if the Biden and

(54:11):
family was a crime family, as many of you argued,
what is Trump family. I mean, it's like it's like
Doctor Evil from from James Bond movies. I don't know,
but it's like so much more like remember when you
made a big deal out of Hunter Biden's board membership.
I mean, what the Trump family is doing. The amount

(54:32):
of money they're getting from from Kocher in Saudi Arabia
and Pakistan all these places is just so unbelievable. You
saw the Indonesian presidents say, hey, have your sons called me?
Have your sons called me? I mean, what's that about?
If not, that's kind of deal. Eight hundred million dollars supposedly,

(54:52):
you know, if you add up everything all the you know,
they made three point two billion dollars since inauguration day.
And this is the difference between Biden and Trump and
This is being the difference between every other politician except
in Trump. Biden hit it, Biden was embarrassed by it.
Biden thought it was a black mark. Biden, you know,

(55:16):
never admitted to it. Trump, on the other hand, celebrates it,
is proud of it, is out there in the world,
letting everybody know about it. I mean, his corruption is
completely out in the open. It's a completely it's an
open book. He'll tell you, and nobody cares. I mean,

(55:42):
this is impeachable, easily impeachable. And there is no Congress.
There's just no Congress. Congress is gone, so nobody else,
there's nobody else to do the job. Congress is gone.
Although Congress that today vote against Trump. They voted against
his taris in Brazil. Literally there was a bill in

(56:05):
the Senate. Two it won't pass the House, but it
was a bill in a Senate to to do away
with the fifty percent tariffs on Brazil. And I think
four Republicans voted for it, ran Paul Mitch, McConnell, Susan
Collins and what's her name McCluskey, and so so it won.

(56:30):
Now I think Trump could veto it, so when never
become law. But this starting a little bit on tariffs
because tarrafs is just TAS is just embarrassing. It's so stupid, Sorry,
Dave woman listeners, TASA is just embarrassing, and congressmen and

(56:53):
senators are hearing from their local small businesses who are
really struggling because of taris all right. Finally, this topic
that you almost feel like you have to wash yourself
for discussing or after discussing, I don't know. At some
point during the discussion, and that is Nick Foyantis, uh

(57:15):
and uh. Nick Foyantis was a guest on a techer
Calson and you know, the antident has blown up about this. Uh,
Twitter in particular has blown up about this, and it's
it's really fascinating to me. Tekerkauson is considered and I
think it's true that he is. And this is the

(57:35):
terrifying thing. Tucker Cousin is still considered kind of mainstream
Republican representative of the conservative movement. He he speaks at
he speaks at Turning Point USA. He's within the bounds
of acceptability in the Republican Party. This is the same
techer Causon that you know has guests on the question

(57:59):
the evil of the not season. He kind of nods along.
This is the Tucker Cosson that thinks Putsin is amazing,
that Russian supermarkets are the best and the subway station
is the greatest in human history. This is the Tucker
Causon who blames who's come to blame everything on the Jews.
It's a Tucker cousin who hates Israel and who said recently,

(58:23):
maybe it was the interview with nik foyentis that the
people who hates most in the world, most in the
world are Christian Zionists, Christians who love Israel. They are
the worst in the world. He hates them. This Tucher
costs them with those ideas. His anti Semitic ideas is

(58:44):
for Russian ideas, his anti American ideas, his rejection of
all of the fundamental principles of America. His flirtation with
Nazism or Holocaust denial or maybe not Holocaust denial, denial
of the evil of Hitler in the Nazis that is
still considered mainstream. He's still invited by Turning Point Usa

(59:06):
to speak on stage. Well, now there's an effort to
to expand the tent even further. Right, we saw that
with the with the text messages between these Republican operatives
that were filled of racist it just you know, antisemitic,

(59:27):
but also just celebration of rape and all kinds of
other stuff, just horrible stuff. What is this You've got
another one? Oh, we've got another one with a swastika.
I think anybody who has a swastika is history, right,

(59:47):
I don't care if they even ask me a question.
All right, all right, I'm going to spend all my
time now on my town now getting rid of these people.
Maybe so somebody, uh my wife is letting me know
who else I should block. Oh she said he came

(01:00:08):
back anyway, I noticed it. So, but who's this Nick Goods?
Is he also somebody that needs to be blocking? I
need a moderator, I know. Oh yeah, well yeah, all right,
let's block this guy too. Uh yeah, it's because I
Nick Foytus is mentioned. That's why they're all here, right,

(01:00:32):
it's allays guepers Anyway, The decision is now I guess
being made that the Republicans really need an even big attempt,
that the fact that they continue to include Taker Cosson
has now softened them too. Real supporters of Nazis to

(01:00:54):
real ju haters, ones that don't try to hedge and
don't have to pretend to real racists, to real white nationalists.
I mean, why stop, Patucker Carlson, Why not go all
the way? You know we had we had those text
messages between the Republicans young Republicans that were just just

(01:01:19):
horrible and uh and you remember Matt Will said, oh no,
it's a big tent. We have to include them. We
have to fight the left. We have to beat the left. Well, okay,
we have to beat the left. We have to take
all these really ugly human beings saying really horrible things
that used to be completely unacceptable in conservative circles. We
have to embrace them because we have to beat the left.

(01:01:41):
We have to accept Tucker Carlson because look, we have
to beat the left. And he's Stocker Carlson. He's got
millions of people who listen to him, and he you know,
you know, he hasn't yet come out. No, he has,
but he hasn't come out completely as a white nationalist.
And he hasn't come out out as a as a

(01:02:03):
as an anti semi. Nick foyentis is an anti semi. No,
he's out and out unequivocal anti semi. I've seen enough
of Nick Foyantis's material where it's not even close, it's
not even little. He's not an anti Zionist, He's an
anti semi. It's the Jewish bankers, it's the elders of Zion.
It's interesting that I blocked these two people. Like fifty

(01:02:26):
people disappeared from watching the show, so the groupas all
went away all at the same time. Yeah, but no, guys,
Nick Foyantis is an I've seen it. I haven't brought
the all the testimonies because I don't need to, and

(01:02:47):
I'm not going to go back and watch. You know,
there's only so much time that is justified spending in
the sewers. And Nick Foyenttis is the sewer. And I
know some of you watch him, and but he is,
without any question, without any question, he is an antisemmon.

(01:03:08):
And and Dave Smith, Dave Smith today came out, you know,
Dave Smith came out today. Where was this Steve Smith?
Dave Smith says the techer for interesting episode was great.
The people clutching their pose about it are ridiculous. These

(01:03:30):
types of conversations are the only positive way forward. Yes,
so Dave Smith. Yeah, I mean Nick for is Dave Smith.
What's the difference. Dave Smith, you know, can't hide behind
is just you know, he's a hater Israel and he's
an anti Simmon. So Dave the Dave supports expanding the

(01:03:51):
Republican umbrella, expanding the umbrella of civilized conversation to include
anti Semites, to include racist, include white nationalists. And don't
say being a white nationalist is not racist. That is racist. Uh,
you know, and liking Dave Smith is not a virtue,

(01:04:14):
it's a vice. It doesn't matter. You know, There've always
been anti Semitic Jews. You know, we've we've seen a
bunch of Jews just embrace and endorse what's his name,
Mamdani in New York. Yeah. Every time I say like

(01:04:40):
Nikoyntis is an anti semi two twenty people drop drop
my feet. There's another bunch of winds. Now, it's pretty funny.
There is some buffering going on. I apologize that Wi
Fi gods have not been appeased by your sacrifice. You
need a you need to you need to sacrifice some more.

(01:05:00):
Intensify your sacrifice, Intensify your prayers. Now twenty people join.
I've never seen YouTube as volatile as it is right
now in terms of a number of viewers. It's it's
kind of funny anyway. I think the decisions made to
being f Intis into the tent and Tucker Carlson is

(01:05:24):
the way in. And he did a two hour interview
with Nikcoyentis where you know, softball after softball left to
stopall It's interesting he didn't ask Nikfoyantis how many people
lived in Iran? What the population of you on is?
You remember he asked that of Ted Cruz, who he
considers a devil. Now Ted Cruise is like eviler than communists.
He didn't challenge Nikfoyenttis when Nikcointis said he loves Stalin

(01:05:47):
and generally didn't push him on the things we know.
Nick Foyintis says. He didn't push him on an anti Semitism,
He didn't push them on white nationalism. He didn't push
him on any of these things. He kind of had
a He basically did everything in his power to normalize
Nick Foyantes, to make Nick Foyantes look normal, look nice,
look friendly, look funny, as Chandler says, but Nick Foyantes

(01:06:14):
is a monster. I mean, he's not a monster in
a sense that I think he can actually a cheap power.
Although he has a real charismal with people. I find him,
I mean, disgusting just looking at him. Roland, thank you
for the additional sacrifices for the Wi Fi gods. He

(01:06:38):
looks slimy and disgusting, but he has an appeal. He
has an appeal and you know, I'm sure in some
sick way he is funny. I'm sure that he finds
ways to present. I mean, the main thing that he
appeals to is he says things that nobody else will say.

(01:07:02):
People are attracted to kind of the fringe, particularly on
the side of evil, the bad boy, the guy who
will say the stuff and nobody else says it, will
say the stuff. A lot of people are thinking deep
down or or is willing to say stuff that causes
people to think about because they're so ignorant. They don't know.

(01:07:23):
They don't know what hit actually did. They don't know
anything about World War Two, they don't know anything about
Stalin or any of these things. So why not? Yeah,
I don't take so, I mean I don't know this

(01:07:49):
to me in my view. In my view, this to
me is really the death of the right, and I
don't don't see how the right recovers from this. I
really don't see how the right recovers from this. If
you add the number of people who watch Candice, the
number of people who watch Tucker and now if you

(01:08:10):
include in that, you know, goipers were always okay, they're
over there, we don't they don't count. But when you
include now the goipers a million people watching for interests,
the right is finished. The right is now you know,
basically it's antisemitic because it's defined by its most consistent adherents.

(01:08:31):
And the most consistent adherents are the anti semites, the racist,
the white nationalists, the fascists. That's what the right has become.
It's become a fascist right, and that's what the appeal
is to a lot of people are saying that, I mean,

(01:08:56):
I don't know how seriously you take it, that this
is a play for JD. Vance, that jd Vance is
afraid of Nick Foyantis. Nick Foyantis has been going after J. Devans.
Why does he go after Jdvans Because Jadvance has a
brown wife, an Indian wife, and has half breed children,
according to Nick Foyans, and that is a disqualified right.

(01:09:16):
He's a racist. I guess our cult is a racist too.
I mean, I mean, this is the Republican Party. It's
a racist party. It's unbelievable for me to say that
Ronald Reagan's political party is an out and out racist party,
because now it is embraced. Tucker calls a Nick Foyantis
and Candice Ome and all the chat and all the

(01:09:39):
Nazi sympathizers. I mean, here's the funny thing. And this
is an interesting tweet. I so so danisha Susan debated
Nick Frantees a while back, not sure exactly when, but
he debated Nick Frantis. Charlie Cook was really pissed off

(01:09:59):
at Danish, and here I agree completely with Charlie. Charlie
has some good characteristics. Charlie texted Danish and said, don't
debate him, you're giving him attention. And now Dennis says, yeah,
but you know, but but but I challenge fointers. Yeah,

(01:10:19):
but you gave him a platform, you treated him as
an equal, you put it up on a stage with you.
You legitimize his views, whether you debated against him or not.
And then he writes, but now Tucka has done what
Charlie feared most platform fointers and give him a friendly,
uncritical hearing. But that's inevitable denish once you're willing to debate,

(01:10:45):
once you're willing to debate. Okay, there's something to debate here.
Let's platform the guy. Let's talk to him. So Denisian
does not see how he was part of the problem.
Charlie Coch was absolutely right. You've got to cut the cancer.
You've got to cut these people off, not debate them,

(01:11:06):
not engage with them, suddenly, not platform them. But debating
is platforming. It's a full platforming. You got to cancel them.
I'm all for cancel culture. Suddain views should be canceled completely.
I mean, the fact is that now for intists will

(01:11:29):
get much bigger after the Culson and a lot of
people will be seduced by his relative moderation on Tucker
Culson to go listen to him, and will be radicalized
because he has that impact on people. He has whatever
that charisma is. I mean, Hitler is charismatic. Go figure,
so Spuantis, go figure. I mean, if you look at Hitler,

(01:11:51):
it doesn't seem charismatic, showed ugly, a stupid mustache, slick hair,
unbelievably unattractive. And this is now going to be part
of the whole thing, right, I mean literally, you know,

(01:12:18):
Techacossa went to this whole thing about how he hates
Christian Zionists more than anyone on earth, called the Christian
Zionists a dangerous heresy within Christianity. He named by Kuckabee,
Ted Kruz, John Bolton, Carl Rove, George W. Bush as example.
So these are the people they want to kick out
of the Republican Party. They want to kick out my Kuckabee,

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no great last in my view, Ted Kruz, John Bolton, Rove,
George Bush. That's what they want to kick out. What
do they want to bring in? Nick Foynders. I mean,
this is going happening much faster than even I thought. Anyway,
I was talking about Vance. So the idea is that

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Dvance is one the Nicks will attack him when he
runs for president in three years from the right, and
he wants to neutralize for Antis, and the way to
neutralize him is to bring him into the umbrella so
that he doesn't criticize Jade Vans and the way to
do that is for Tucker Carlson, who is really, really,

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really good friends with Jade Vans. That should tell you
a lot about j Evans. For Tucker Carlson to bridge
the gap. Tucker Carlson is an emissary from Vance, and
we'll see. It'll be interesting to see if Forentus moderates

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his attack on Advance. I doubt it. For Intus, I
don't think it is going to play that game anyway. Interesting.
The whole thing is interesting again. Republican Party descending into racist,
fascist hell faster than I expected. But this is an
indication of that. That is exactly what is happening. As

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bad Palumbo rights, Nick Foynts won. He's mainstream now. The
year's long effort which I participated in to gatekeeper the
anti Semitic hate for freaks out of the Republican Party
and the Conservative movement have failed. You can object to
this and leave the Republican Party as I have, But

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to pretend the strict standards of decency or integrity still
exist in the modern conservative movement is to delude himself yourself.
I think he's absolutely right, and of course Dave Smith
is celebrating because the more can join the you know,
the disgusting anti Jewish, anti Israeli, you know, anti American crowd,

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the happier they are. I mean, ultimately, we're talking about
an anarchist. So what do you expect? I mean, yeah,
Fank says, the vacuum of cultural bankruptcy. I mean the vacuum,
the cultural vacuum here is unbelievable. And into that vacuum

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there's nothing to stand up against them. Conservatism doesn't have
it in them. They don't have them in them, have
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Let's start with Rahazam as I'm says, I've been listening offline,
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And thank you for being a voice of reason. Thank

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the target because Kim came in with ten bucks. All right, Michael,
all the universities, all the universally accept scientific and technological
progress we've made all around the world can't just vanish

(01:22:04):
like when Rome collapsed. But Germany was the most scientifically
advanced society in Europe and reverted to dark ages. When
the Germany, when was Germany the most scientifically you meaning
in the twentieth century, reverted to dark ages visa vid
the Nazis. Yeah, individual countries can whole regions can. I

(01:22:26):
mean I'm reading a book now, fascinating book. God, it's
so interesting. It's about the Enlightenment in Central Asia. It
turns out that the Golden Age of Islam was to
large extent the Golden Age of Central Asia. It was
not an Arab Golden Age as much. I mean, there
was elements of Arab and suddenly in Spain there was

(01:22:48):
a golden Age, but the primary Golden Age from about
eight hundred to about eleven hundred, most of the achievement
philosophically and scientifically from medicine. Most of those achievement in
Central Asia, which I did not know, uh, Eastern Persia,
bujal Uzbekistan, Pakistan, you know, Afghanistan. Afghanistan was a thriving

(01:23:14):
advanced civilization. Blew my mind right to Kaministan all the
way to the Chinese border. That whole region was unbelievably
flourishing and booming and exciting, excited with intellectuals doing work
and thriving economically. And I haven't reached yet the part

(01:23:37):
where of the fall, but we know what that region
is like today. That region today has nothing, I mean nothing, Afghanistan, Taliban,
even Iran Uzbekistan. Have you heard of any achievements coming
out of Kazakhstan or any any part of that world? Nothing? Zero.

(01:24:00):
They have been in the dark Ages since the twelve hundreds,
they collapsed in such a major way. It's a bigger
Dark Ages and more extreme because of what is going
on in the rest of the world than anything that
happened in Europe. And by the way, the Golden Age,

(01:24:23):
this Enlightenment that happened there was all really a consequence
of Aristotle and them taking his teaching seriously, and the
evisceration of that is a combination of military and political weakness,
Barbarians pamiliarly the Turks, and Islam, Islam ultimately asserting itself

(01:24:47):
over Aristotle, just like the Christians, just like the Christian
right would like to have us have assert over the
Enlightenment values that we still have in the world. So
that is the longest stock ages I know. I mean,
you can include Iraq, in Baghdad, Damascus, uh, but God,

(01:25:11):
I mean the way the central Asian cities are described,
and many of these cities I've never heard of. I've
never heard of these cities and they were the biggest
richest cities in the world at the time. Have you
ever heard of a city called move Move me r V.
I think just unbelievably wealthy and intellectually, culturally thriving and

(01:25:41):
it all goes away. It's Agazali, but it's not only
al Ghazali. It's because there's a lot of politics that
goes along with it. There's a lot of prep work
that was done. It was already moving in that direction anyway.
But anyway, that's a whole other I could you know,
when I finished the book, I might do a whole
episode on it, because I you know, I love history,
particularly I love history of the rise and fall of civilizations,

(01:26:02):
if you will, and this book for me is an
unbelievable treat unbelievable treat. So thank you, Michael say. Yes, civilization,
even very advanced civilizations, can be wiped out. Usually there's
an external force, but ultimately it's self inflicted, all right,

(01:26:27):
Shasbat Also fifty dollars, Thank you guys. You guys are
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We present this award to you for a hundred drug
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turned out to be drug dealers. That is very apropos.
It's prophetic. Even that movie is prophetic. Who knew that
The Naked Gun was a prophetic movie? Silly yes, funny, yes, silly,
but prophetic. Didn't expect that, didn't see it coming, didn't
see it coming. Chasbod also says, why doesn't Trump tell

(01:27:19):
Hamas to stop the violence if he's that interested in peace?
But he does all the time. He keeps saying, and
not only that, he repeats the same thing. If they
don't stop, we will wipe them out. We can do
it very quickly, very easily. There's a deadline. I don't
know what it is, but there's a deadline. And if
they don't stop, we will wipe them out. So they

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should stop the violence. He does, They're not listening and
they don't take him seriously. Ryan. Hey, Ryan, it's good
to see you here. Ryan says, in your American Exceptionalism show,

(01:28:00):
you mentioned a self selection process where some immigrants rejected
the idea of American and left. That makes sense and
is a fascinating subject. Can you recommend any books of
sources on that topic? You know, I don't think I can.
It's one of those pieces of information that anytime you
read about American history in the nineteenth century, or about

(01:28:22):
any particular immigrant groups like the Irish of the Italians,
or you read about all the people who go back,
who are not accepted in, who who don't get it,
who don't make it. It's too hard, there's too much responsibility.

(01:28:46):
Some of them, you know, from the cities in the
East coast, but some of them from the heartland. They
go out and become pioneers, and they can't can't make it,
they can't cut it. They go back. So I don't
have any specific reference. I'm sorry, I'll check. I don't
have any of my books here with me, but I'll check.
But generally, I think books on immigration, of the history

(01:29:09):
of immigration in the nineteenth century, just American history books
usually talk about that. I've even seen statistics. It's a
pretty large number that go back. I mean, I would
ask chatchupt we can do it right now. We could
ask chatchapt how many the percentage of immigrants that went

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that went back after immigrating, immigrating to the United States,
you know what percentage.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Of immigrants in nineteenth century immigrants to America too than
come went back back to native country.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
And tragbts thinking about this, But it will, it will
get it will get back to us. In just here
it is. There's no single definitive percentage of the nineteen
centy imigration in the US who returned to the home
margin for particular groups, the return rate varied widely. I've
read that, for example, among immigrants from Italy to the

(01:30:24):
United States between eighteen ninety nine and nineteen twenty four,
approximately forty six percent returned home. This is according to Wikipedia,
and there's probably a sourcid Wikipedia that Ryan you could
go to. In a breakdown by ethnicity for eighteen ninety
nine to nineteen twenty four, some groups show return rates
of fourteen to twenty four percent, while others Italy, Hungry, Greece,

(01:30:46):
Romania show much higher return rates from fifty four to
sixty six percent. So a reasonable estimate on the order
of thirty to fifty percent of immigrants during the late
nineteenth century and twentieth century returned home, depending on their olgy,
and that seems high to me. It doesn't seem like
they're taking into a come. Maybe Russian and Eastern European
immigrants I think returned home at a lower rate. I

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think Italy and Greece, Romania, Hungary, those were high rates,
but I think Eastern Europe were lower rates, or the
Hungary's east. So anyway, I mean, that's an interesting topic.
But unfortunately, Ryan, I don't have I don't have the answer.
But yeah, certainly a phenomena, phenomena none, a phenomena none,

(01:31:32):
not phenomena. I'm not supposed to say phenomena. It's just
wrong to say phenomena. Mic Up, how do you chatted
with Grouk or your chatchy tea about iron Ran or objectivism?
It would be interesting to hear your take on this
grass of the philosophy. No, I haven't, I mean superficially,

(01:31:53):
I've asked them questions and answers are pretty good. The
problem is that what you get from my experience with
these kind of questions is that you get ninety percent
right and about ten percent wrong. But that's ten percent
wrong undermines the ninety percent that's right, particularly if it's

(01:32:16):
presented as the definitive, definitive statement about objectivism. I wonder
if Graw concent you bed have access to opah lantapeacups
objectives of the philosophy of iron Ran. That would make
if we could get it access to OPAH. I think
it would have a much better grasp of objectivism. I

(01:32:36):
mean it doesn't have a grasp of objectives. It would
be able to regurgitate objectivism much better if it had
OPAH as a resource. It has a lot of iron
Rand's essays, which is good, but I have it really
in a study of it so I could really comment

(01:32:57):
in detail. Lyyon Texas has numerous propositions on the ballot
to exempt certain groups veterans elderly from various taxes. Seems
better to vote against these since they just reinforced pressure
group politics thoughts. I agree. I even though some people

(01:33:17):
will pay less taxes and that's good, I also think
it's just wrong because, particularly if the state is not
cutting spending, at the end of the day, somebody makes
up the shortfall, and that means somewhere, somehow they have
to raise more revenue. And you might say, well, Texas

(01:33:38):
is running a simplest I don't know if they are,
but let's say they're running a simplest. Well, they won't always.
But also if they're running a simplus, you know they
should just cut taxes across the board to everybody and
eliminate certain taxes across the board. Would be nice if
they just eliminated property taxes, but for everybody, on all

(01:34:00):
your homes, not just on your first home. Just eliminate
property taxes, all of them. Flowidas there. Doing a half
assed job of that better than nothing, but half assed
the sender. I am super edgy around. I was super
edgy around sixteen, but when I saw that many people
around me weren't kidding, it really made me question what

(01:34:21):
I was doing. And when I read Atlas, it really
put into perspective how serious the issues involved are. Yeah,
I mean absolutely, I don't know what kind of edgy
you were. I mean, I don't think I was edgy
at sixteen before I read it Atlas, but you know,
but I was. I was a socialist, I was, I

(01:34:41):
was definitely thinking about issues, But I don't know what
edgy was in those days. Suddenly, without social media and
without the Internet, the whole definition of edginess and the
extent of a genius is different. But yeah, I mean,
it's great that you read at leash when you did,
and they had such a huge impact on you, Jamie.

(01:35:05):
My friends think billionaires shouldn't exist when there are many
people in the world in poverty. Can you explain the
economics of why they're wrong in a way even a
teenager could understand? I mean yeah, I mean two things.
One is, even if you took all the wealth from
all the billionaires and distribute it to people who are poor,
it wouldn't matter. Just do the math. It's just insignificant.

(01:35:30):
The amount of money you would actually give all these
billions of people just wouldn't make that much difference in
their lives. But more importantly, billionaires make it possible for
people to rise out of poverty permanently. Billionaires or what
you know, a huge contributor, a disproportionate contributor to economic growth,

(01:35:54):
economic prosperity, to job creations. Billionaires create jobs. Now, they
don't create jobs. They create jobs as entrepreneurs. They create
jobs as they big, as they grow business. And then
when the businesses are large, they create jobs. They hire people,
and the people who work for the so called billionaires

(01:36:16):
they create jobs because they have good incomes. They then
go and consume creating work for shops and grocery stores
and gardeners and all kinds of other professions. And this
is how they When you create a company, and when
you start employing people, the amount of you know, the

(01:36:37):
amount of wealth that you're creating broadly, and the amount
of your ability to trade with people, and the value
creation that the poor have now access to. The only
way to get out of poverty is more billionaires. I
give you, you know, for every for every dollar of

(01:37:01):
wealth in the world out there that Microsoft is created,
I think Bill Gates has gained to him for himself,
maybe two cents maybe less. Of the wealth created goes

(01:37:21):
to people out there, people that trade with the company,
people who use the products, and that all filters down
to poor people and helps them rise up. And then
I'll add to that, I mean there We'll get to
some other different arguments in a minute. But one other thing.

(01:37:41):
The products that the billion is create, computers, cell phones,
what do you call it? Artificial intelligence and so on.
These are products that make it possible for people who,
you know, let's have limited ability to increase their productivity dramatically, dramatically.

(01:38:09):
You don't have to read a gazillion books. You can
use AI. You know, AI is a tool that makes
less productive people more productive and they're were wealthier. That's
all economic arguments, but ultimately The issue is who they are.
For your friends, like, what gives them the right to

(01:38:29):
decide how much money anybody, one person should have. What
gives them the right to tell people what they can
keep and what they can keep, what they have to
give away, and what they can give away, what's good
or what isn't. Even if billionaires didn't contribute one iota
to the poor, it is so what. It's their money.

(01:38:53):
They created it, they built it, they made it. They
didn't steal it from anybody. It's not a zero s world.
So who are they? What if I came to them
and said, oh you have you have your iPhone? The
people in the world who don't have iPhones, take the
iPhones away, take the clothes away, take their nice houses away,

(01:39:13):
take their cause away. Who gets to make these decisions
and who gives them the right to make those decisions?
Force is evil, and the only way to get rid
of billionaires is using force. Using evil. Nothing good comes
from the use of evil. All right, Let's see, we

(01:39:46):
have this question from somebody who never listens to show
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The questions regarding advice on how to get your kids
into objectivesm I have to teenage kids, a seventeen year
old and a fifteen year old daughter seventeen year old son.
So far, I presented objectives until them, mainly by example

(01:40:07):
and dated day advice. There are products of that and
are good, rational kids with self esteem. I'm very proud
of them. I do believe that in order to really
have a consistent, fulfilling life, learning objectivism is necessary. I'm
sure I wouldn't be nearly as happy and fulfilled if
it weren't for my systematic approach to learning objectivism. So far,
I haven't been able to encourage them to start learning

(01:40:29):
more by themselves. Unfortunately, they don't have a strong reading
habit and don't seem to their I don't see them
picking up the fountain where I'd shrugged at this stage
in their lives. Even long essays have been a challenge
for me to make them read. To get them to read,
I don't want to force them to read things, but
they haven't been able to motivate them enough to do

(01:40:50):
it themselves at this point their lives. In their lives,
they are passionate and interested in other things. Look, I
get that, and partial by the fact that they've lived
with you, and they've lived by your example. They don't
think they need it because they think they've gotten everything
by example. But look, kids don't know what they need.

(01:41:10):
I had the same approach with my kids, and I
regret it to some extent. I regret not being more
involved in their philosophical thinking or lack of it in
their early teens mid teen years, and being more aggressive
about it, and not in terms of nasty and forcing,

(01:41:30):
but finding ways, maybe reading a book together and having
weekly discussion sessions about it, and you know, maybe you
could drive them to do it. Maybe give them one
hundred dollars for every session and keep the chapter short.
And look, you should be worried about the fact that
they don't read. They don't read essays, and they won't

(01:41:54):
read a book. That's not good. It's not good for them,
and the fact that the schools don't force them to
read is really bad. They shouldn't be able to graduate
from high school without reading Lemmy's Robblers by Hugo, without
reading Dostyevsky, without reading a real book of substance and
of length. So the fact that they're not motivated to
read should be a rig flag. So she should find

(01:42:17):
ways to encourage, motivate, inspire, force them to read. They
want certain poks. They still live under your house, suddenly
the fifteen year old, they still live under your house.
They still expect certain pokes. Well, they should read. That's
a minimum requirement. My kids read Athleashak and The found

(01:42:40):
Head in their teens, but we didn't study the ideas,
and I regret that. I think if we had set
up a study, a little study group where we'd meet
once a week and read a section of Opah and
go through the whole book over two three years as

(01:43:00):
a fun I think, fun family thing. And even if they,
you know, try to do it every week, try to
do it really consistently. I think that would be bonding
and I think that would be you know, it would
be part of it. A quiet education I took too.
I think it was too loose, just like youre innocence,

(01:43:23):
and I think that was wrong. I think I think
saying look, you have to read, learn writing, reading the
certain things you have to learn when you're really young.
And there's certain things in teenage years that you should learn.
Tools for living and objectives philosophies want of them. You
can reject it afterwards. But you need to learn it.
You need to know what you're rejecting. And I don't

(01:43:44):
think reading the novels is enough, particularly for kids who've
grown up around objectives and don't think much of it.
It's studying the ideas and seeing them, and then they'll
thank you later in life. I think so that I
think is I think that's I think that's what I

(01:44:05):
would do today. How to implement that exactly? Again, I
think bribing them with money is a good way. Thinking
about all the polks that you provide them, the rights
that you give them, the car that you might buy them,
things like that, making all of those things conditional in
them reading or doing a study group with you. It'd

(01:44:27):
be fun for you, hopefully it would be fund for them.
You could test your own understanding of objectives in that way,
teach it to them, and maybe maybe use it as
as an opportunity to find fund ways to conquatize and
make examples of the different aspects of things. Gamify it
in some way for them for the weekly gathering that

(01:44:50):
you do. Anyway, that's what I would do, if I
did it, could do it over, if I could rewind,
I would do that. Thank you. I really appreciate the support.
All right, Roland says, here's my prayer for the Wi
Fi gods. Hope they take Swiss Franks. They absolutely take
Swiss Fanks. Don't worry about it. Robert Jash got back

(01:45:11):
from arc UK's irreplaceable spark confidence and while nothing compares
to Ocon, of course, I can report it was great
time while worth going. Yeah, I mean, hanging out with
a bunch of objectivists and ivan, you know, intelligence speakers
help you know, it's always going to be good. Uh,
it's always gonna be good. And I understand. Lenapeako spoke
on Rag. I always thought it was rag time, but

(01:45:34):
I guess it's rag music, and that's just fun music.
And it's just it's just very benevolent and full of energy.
And it sounded like everybody had a good time. That's great.
Islam Ali, have you thought of formally advising me? Lay? Yeah,
I mean, he he's not interested in my advice. He
he knows, you know, he thinks he knows it, and

(01:45:54):
he's got people around him. Uh. So I've given him
my book. He promised to read it, he said. I
assume he would have contacted me if he thought it
was inspiring, if he called me and asked me me
to advise him, I would. I would gladly do it.
Gladly do it. Michael. Someone is running away from an

(01:46:17):
AX murderer and the only way to escape is by
running through your home. Do you have a right to
do They have a right to. No, but they should
do it anyway, right, I mean, they don't have a
right to it's your home. But you know this is
a this is a case where violating rights in the

(01:46:41):
face of an AX murderer is okay. You could also
argue that the rights violation is the AX murderer by
by chasing you, Right, you wouldn't be going through the causal.
The causal, the rights violation is actually the AX murderer.
You running through the home is not their violation of rights.

(01:47:02):
It's Aximo, who are forcing you in a sense to
run through the home. That is the violation of rights.
So absolutely they should run through their house. Michael. Are
we moving towards an age of hatred? Yeah? I mean
I think we're already are in there. I think we've
been in there probably since COVID, and it's getting worse. Michael.

(01:47:26):
It's not as if Cannice Owen and Tucker Carlson decided
to be anti Semitic, they saw there was a growing
demand for it and pivoted to the bigotry for views
and money. I don't think so. I don't think so.
I think they. I think they went through a conversion.
Remember this is this is a Tucker Carlson who got
scratched by demons. I don't think he got strapped by

(01:47:48):
demons because somebody paid him to. I think the guy's
gun nuts and his ideology has become mystical in barbaric
and mystics and barbarics often tilt towards anti Semitism. Now,
I think Candice has gone through multiple process. You can
see the deterioration and it's incremental. Now do they also

(01:48:10):
get money from the Kataris or the Russians? I don't know. Maybe,
but I don't think that's the primary. I think that
might be at an incentive, but it's not the primary. Michael,
Is it rational for joy and grief to coexist for
hate and love? Yes? Right? Grief and hate are survival values, right.

(01:48:33):
I mean, grief is when you lose a value and
it's important that you feel bad when you lose a value.
Enjoy is when you gain a value, and you need
to feel good. So it signals what's good and what's bad.
It's telling you an emotional level. Explicitly, hate is reminding
you these people are bad for you. They're destructive, they

(01:48:55):
will do you harm, stay away from them, or destroy
them on the context. So hates is a very productive emotion.
I'm all. I'm completely in favor of hate and love.
More importantly, love is the positive. So no, there's completely

(01:49:16):
rational because they are there. They are signaling something. If
your emotions are aligned with your values, they're signaling what
to avoid and what whatnot the emotional reminders of that. Michael,
will mum, Donny be significantly worse than Deblasio? You know,
I don't know. I think you will be worse, and

(01:49:38):
certainly symbolically he will be a lot worse. How much
worse is hard to tell. I don't know enough about
the powers of the mayor as compared to everything else,
so you know, anyway, it's it's I I I just

(01:50:05):
don't know. He could. I think he'll be worse, but
I don't know about how much because I don't know.
I don't know exactly how the powers of the Mayor
of New York wook. Michael Zorn winning the mayor's race
will enhance socialism, Yes, in the Democratic Party, the way
socialists being enhanced in the the way social has been
enhanced in the GOP through the success of Mega. Yes.
I think both parties are going towards their y you

(01:50:29):
know er Uh, they're wacky far you know, extremes, and
there's an opportunity kind of out of that, cause there
are a lot of same people won't go in either
one of those. Uh. But I but I but yes,
in a compromise between good and evil, it is only
evil that has something to gain. When good and bad compromise,

(01:50:51):
things move towards bad always. So I I think what
you're seeing is MAGA is more consistent on the Republican rights,
and Socialism is more consistent on the wacky left, and
they're winning out. Michael. When Jews become open targets, it's
a good indicated that society is starting to crumble. Yes,

(01:51:11):
it is. I mean Jews are because they are successful,
they're prosperous to them among us, they look like us,
they don't look differently to turn to hatred of them says,
something is very very sick within a society, and it's
a turn to collectivism. It's a turn to a tribalism.

(01:51:31):
That is that is as I called tribalism. It's it's, it's, it's,
it's super bubb it's the foundation of barbarism, right, Mary Ellen.
Muhammad Ali started a series of natural rights on his
substec The substeinct is called Societal Dynamics. I recommended, Yeah,
me too. Mohammed Lee is super smart and and a

(01:51:55):
good kid, and he's getting his pet and philosophy and
he's doing a lot of this history stuff on trying
to really chew the concept of individual rights and how
it came about. So I definitely would encourage you to
sign up and subscribe and read it and then given comments.
You know, he's young, but he's very open to inputs

(01:52:17):
and giving comments. And I'll have him on the show.
I had him recently. I'll have him again next year
on the show to talk about that. Lindasa has spent
the weekend at a conference telling people to get their
news from YBS. I want to know who was at
the conference. It doesn't already get news from IBS. I

(01:52:39):
mean these are all objectivists don't get their news from YBS,
So why were we even talking to those people? I'm kidding.
Thank you, Linda, I really appreciate that, and you know
that'll be uh yeah, Expanding the number of people will
get their news from YBS can only make the will

(01:53:00):
to been a place. All right, Linda, our niece is
on the USS Joe r Ford headed to the Caribbean.
Wish it was otherwise. Yeah, it's just stupid, blaze guitar lesson.
The faunas have the right to bear arms? Well, I mean,
do you have the right to be arms? I mean,

(01:53:21):
what is the right to be arms? I mean, that's
a that's a tricky question. It's it's it's not obvious
that anybody has the right to be arms, and suddenly
it's not obvious that you have the right to be
arms unconditionally. That is, you have to really think about
what it means to say you have a right to
be arms. And I don't think you do. I don't

(01:53:42):
think that's how it formulated. I formulated as you right,
you have a right to self defense, and that is
a is a derivative rights and the right to life,
and then what is the right to self defense you
know require Well, it might require and this is what
you'd have to think about. It might require in certainly
in terms of circumstances, the use of firearms, of weapons,

(01:54:06):
or certain weapons. But which weapons. So, for example, do
you have a right to bear a tank and F
thirty five a nuclear bomb AM sixteen. Where is the line? Well,
I think the line has to be drawn by really
thinking about the right of self defense, because that's the right,

(01:54:31):
and bearing arms is just a derivative of the right
of self defense. So you really have to understand what's
involved in self defense and when it would be appropriate
to use weapons, to use deadly force in self defense,
and therefore, under what conditions is it appropeate to use weapons?
And then who can bear weapons? But remember that because

(01:54:52):
weapons are for the purpose of violence, the state has
an interest in them. Well, I certainly think they have
the right to self defense, and as given that they
have the right to self defense, they have the right
to the basic weapons necessary to self defense. Yes, I

(01:55:14):
don't see why not. The only rights a non citizen
doesn't have what are called civil rights, and they relate
to things like voting. But when it comes to individual rights,
inalienable rights, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness that everybody has.

(01:55:38):
Everybody has, every person, every person on the planet has.
It's their right by nature, by the fact that they
human being. But that's so rights are not limited. The
border doesn't define rights other than civil rights, the rights

(01:56:01):
that relate to government and to your relationship with the government. Roland,
please take this sacrifice, dear WiFi gods. That's another two Swiss. Thanks.
I think it's worked. We've gotten through the show so far.
I like numbers. What's the criteria for whether one is

(01:56:21):
a barbarian? Well? I think barbarism is a major feature
of barbarism is a complete disregard for human life, a
complete disregard for human life. You know where you're willing

(01:56:41):
to kill, slaughter, rape, pillage. You know that that characterizes
a barbaric life where you reject and denounce kind of civilization.
Civilization means the achievements of arts and culture and politics
and thought and science. Is uh, when when your method

(01:57:03):
leads you to it, to reject them? Or and and
and and Yeah, Robin, what was what was a really
great insight about introducing children to objectivism? Oh god, I
don't know, nothing comes to mind right now. I mean,

(01:57:28):
I I loved watching my kids learn their first concepts
because at least it seemed to me at the time.
It seems to me that they really did it the
way objectivism says it's done. That is, they they seem
to have reinforced the epistemology, the concept Iman's theory of

(01:57:51):
concert formation, and that was to me, it was a
wow moment. That was whoa, yeah, this is real. Uh.
And and and induction they do things. I mean, it
really is amazing how they learn cause and effect and
how it's all observation, integration, induction, all of those. So
more than anything else, it was the epistemology esoteric dichotomy. Hypothetically,

(01:58:20):
how topathetical? What happens if automation eliminates jobs or politicians
and voters refuse to free up the economy, do you
regulate allow new industries? Well, I mean, you could get
a lot of people unemployed or underemployed. It's possible that

(01:58:41):
because let's say the robots are so much more productive
than humans, you could still produce a lot of stuff,
and therefore you could redistribute a lot of that stuff.
But innovation would die. I think mainly it would be
the innovation that dies, the progress that would die, other
than the increased productivity in the machines can and would create. Raymond,

(01:59:08):
Why are you Apple over Windows and Android? Any special
love or don't want to spend time to compare? I'm young,
So what was compute like in nineties two thousands? I'm
talking about the eighties, not the nineties two thousands. I
think an Apple and the way Apple is built from

(01:59:30):
the beginning, and I'm talking about the eighties is much
more aligned with our human being, a non geeky human
being uses a computer from the symbols and the mouse
and the way I want to interacts with the computer.

(01:59:51):
It's so much more intuitive aligned I think with the
way again, a non expert, I know people who love
in interacting with the computer vue, you know, you know,
line commands, But most of us the computer is a
tool and as a you know, And I think Steve
Jobs's genius was viewing it that way, understanding that it

(02:00:13):
was a tool and it had to appeal to people
who weren't that interested in the intricacies of it, but
wanted to use it as a tool. And he built
it in such a way as to do that. So
every one of the operating systems when you compare them
to Apple now is so. I've used Windows once in
a while, very rarely over the years, and I think,

(02:00:38):
I just think Apple is easier and more intuitive and
quicker and faster and more direct. And I look at
the Android Foins phones and the Apple phone. It's just
everything is simple and straightforward. It's geared towards how I
use it, not towards again, some geeky nerds way of

(02:00:59):
doing things. And that's the you know. And the first time,
I mean I initially was a PC guy, and I
remember using a spreadsheet on a PC. It was just
cumbersome and hard. And then this is nineteen eighty nine,
I think, and then moving to the Apple lab maybe

(02:01:22):
eighty eight, and using a spreadsheet on Apple, and it
was like in those days was night to day. This
is before Windows, it was just nine and day. I mean,
Apple just was easy, It was quick, straightforward, It did
what you needed it to do. Maybe didn't do fancy
schmancy stuff, but what most of us needed to be
do it could do. And so I switched from PC

(02:01:46):
immediately to an Apple and having looked back, I bought
my first computer, a Mac se thirty in nineteen ninety
maybe eighty nine ninety and I have owned only max
a whole array of them, laptops, desktops, and then when

(02:02:11):
phones came I was a big use of Pomp pilots,
and then a BlackBerry, and then when the iPhone came out,
that was it. I mean, the iPhone could do everything
all these other things could do, plus other stuff. Plus
it was so easy and so pretty. That's the other thing.
Steve Jobs understood the aesthetics of products and the value

(02:02:32):
having something pretty in front of you makes the value
it has. All right, guys, with the two hour and
two minute mark, thank you, really appreciate it. Again. Not
sure when the next show will be. I'll try to
do it as soon as possible. I really appreciate the
support today and I am looking forward to seeing you

(02:02:54):
all soon. Have a great rest of your week. By everybody,
don't forget if you're in Europe to sign up for
the IRAN conference in Porto. Porto is a great city. Oh,
the Oceanist has a question. I recently watched your debate
with Peter with Richard Wolf and it seems to me
his utopia is just rule by lynch mob. Also, if

(02:03:16):
you want a good laugh, look at Wolf explained how
to get a PS five in his system. All right,
I'll check it out. But yes, I mean it's utopia.
Is the mob all socialists In the end, the modern
socialists rely on the consensus of the mob, the majority rule.

(02:03:42):
Everything is majority rule. Thank you, guys. I will see
you all when I see you, by everybody, and hopefully
i'll see some of you live in Krakau, or in Oslo,
or in Prague, or maybe in Vienna, or maybe in

(02:04:02):
Porto Elisabon next week. Bye MHM.

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