Pregame Show - Murashov Not Starting, Sports Heists

Mark talks about the decision to not start Sergei Murashov in net tonight. Tommy Radio joins to discuss that some Steelers and talk sports heists

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the Mark Mannon show. You like it, you
love it? You want more of it? Follow me on
Twitter at Mark Madden x. I told this story yesterday
about Flurry starting as an eighteen year old the home open,
three forty six saves stopped the penalty shot. Peng was
lost to LA three nil. But nobody remembers that. They

(00:24):
just remember that a star was born. Do you know
that moment almost didn't happen. Craig Patrick, the GM totally
hockey first. He wanted to send Flurry back to juniors
right then and there, which Flurry eventually did go back,
you know, before his first year of his NHL contract

(00:45):
kicked in. But Craig want him to start the season
in juniors, and Ken Sawyer, the president at the time,
and Mary Lemue the owner, said okay, wait, this kid
was the first pick overall, We've invested a lot of hype.
He has the ability. He can't start the season in junior.

(01:09):
He got to start the season here because Ken, Sore
and Mario understood that you're in the entertainment business, and
that created a moment. When they have a chance to
create a moment, the last people you should listen to
are your hockey people, like I said, follow me on

(01:32):
Twitter at Mark Madden X. We got a lot of
other exciting stuff with the Penguins hosting the Caps tonight.
OV did score number nine hundred last night. Did you
see Jordan Binnington try to steal the puck the goalie
for the Blues. He tucked the puck in his pants
and they made him give it up. Kind of a
heel move, but kind of funny too, when he should

(01:53):
have thrown the puck in the stands. Then you would
have never known if you got the right puck back
unless they I don't know, marked it with that for rand.
They do stuff like that for home run balls and
maybe big goldpucks, but I don't know that seems too
forward thinking for the NHL. You got Ben Kendall playing
on Sid's wing tonight, Ben Kindle continuing to play on

(02:16):
the power play tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
So there's a lot of stuff to watch.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
I mean, Ryan Graves in the lineup, Danton Hinen in
the lineup, called back up from Wilkes. But let's bring
on Tommy Radio.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Tom.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I can't believe they're not starting more shoff. What good
reason could there possibly be. I've tried to think of
it from their end of the equation, and the only
thing I could come up with is just sticking with
this goalie rotation, which I'm sorry, just should not be
so sacred.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
I'd love to be able to come on and play
Devil's Advocate to you and find some reasons why it's
smart other than that. Just we're sticking to the rotation
one and that's the only reason it could be. That's
the only logical reason you could present, and it's not
even that logical, Like she loves was so great against
the Jets and his last time out that you must
stick with that rotation or else it could throw him
off of his game. Uh, it's such a dumb move,

(03:04):
and it.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Really self is lucky to be in the National friggin
Hockey League. If he's not easily thrown off his game, Yeah,
they can send him.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
To Wilkson called I don't know Lars enough and Penn's
Caps always has buzz because Sid over. Yeah, but this
game just lost so much buzz to me tonight. It
feels a little deflating right now because of the decision.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
It does.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
I don't care half as much about Kindle on Sid's line.
I don't care half as much about Kendall continuing on
the power play.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
You know, Graves and Heinen.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
There's a lot of stories tonight, but this just I'm
really disappointed, and I'm sure fans with tickets are disappointed.
And I think the pens have been hypnotized by that
eight four and two star, which let's not forget it's
eight wins and six losses. I always say the shootout
losses and the overtime losses their losses. Yes, you gotta

(03:49):
you gotta look at those as losses, and I think
they think, Okay, we gotta maintain, we gotta prop up.
But then again, if you're looking to maintain and prop up,
I have no doubt the morishoff right second is a
better goal than archer shilloffs.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, exactly, that prop up part, Like, Okay, so you
like your eight four and two start, shoot a little
bit of an injection into your arm, have a little
boost from your Crown Jewel prospect, the goaltender coming up
and going right into the net.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
And if it don't work, it don't work.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
So why it doesn't work. He's probably going back to
the AHL this year, Like this isn't a permanent thing,
don't you think.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Well, I don't know the Jarr's out three weeks, three weeks, right,
what if more Soft lights it up? Well, then he
obviously stays. At that point, I think, what do you send?

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Don I probably tell Jarry to go through unless she
LOFs is just terrible as the rotation.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
I think more SHOT's gonna go back no matter what,
and that's gonna get me mad all over again.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
I agree, I think that that's probably where we're headed.
So even furthermore, why not just play him tonight?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Then?

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Like if the end road is to go back to
the AHL anyway, who cares about the light?

Speaker 1 (04:45):
And I keep getting told Tom, you know, by Twitter
and some other people, this is no big deal. I'm overreacting, okay.
I mean nobody understands this team better than me. I've
been going since I was uh seven years old. It's
my team too, and I know what it's built on.
And I don't think Kylin Muse understand that. I think
Kyle's a great GM. I think News is a pretty

(05:06):
good coach, but I don't think they understand the market.
I don't think they understand this team's DNA, and.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I think that vocal minority, and I think it is
a vocal minority who are giving you stick on Twitter
for it. Do they get who morishov is? Do you think,
like do they understand just how good in the prospect
he is.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
There's a lot of people out there who were just
in tune with agreeing with everything their team.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
The team is always right no matter what, Like this
dude is a stud prospect. You were saying on the
show yesterday when Borky was on, like he could maybe
win the Vezina one day, Like he's got that kind
of potential. I think, so this is a number one
type prospect. He's not gonna be flurry. I would never
put that on him, but this is a flurry type
of prospect that you could have the buzz around tonight.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
You don't gives me even matter.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
I bet the Penguins didn't even sweat this decision or
think about it very much, or certainly not think about
the fans. I think they think we got a rotation
and that's that.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, I agree with you. I think it was the default.
I kind of saw it coming that they were gonna
go with Sheila because it's his turn, and it's just
again as deflating as it is to have Mirishov not
be in the net tonight, and how it kind of
ruins tonight's game. You know that start that he's gonna
get against New Jersey on Saturday at twelve thirty. That's
a little bit of a boring snoozer too, Like it
just doesn't have that much juice to it.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
I don't know if I'm wrong there, but I wrote
to my trip column. I wrote that they needed to
start Morishov, which they didn't sow so much for them
reading and then listening to what I wrote in the
trib But I put, I put, nobody remembers what happens
midday at Newark unless Tony Soprano gets whacked exactly.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
And I mean even in your own fan base, the
Penguin's like well eyes on the TV. I mean it's
college football Saturday too, Like there there's going to be
some distraction. It's not even close.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Morisof can put just shut out at Newark and it's
on TV. It's distant, there's no sense of community. You
weren't there with your friends, you weren't there with other fans.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
It's not the same.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
And what if they go to she loves against the
Devil's back to back games and then play against the
Kings at home on that back to back game, Like,
I would lose my mind even more because then it
would show that they don't really care about the rotation
and it wasn't about the rotation to not start Morrishov
this game tonight, Tom.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
I watched the Penguins my whole life. This is one
of the stupidest moves they've ever made. Wow, and imagine
you know what ground that covers, My god, and you
know what about the fans who have tickets who thought
they stumbled onto something special. And you know, if they
would have announced even when they caught up more show
a couple days ago, they said he starting Thursday, that
wouldn't have generated a ton more ticket sales. Even if

(07:34):
they announced it this morning, it wouldn't generate a ton
more walk ups. Bit a big game, my Morischov serves
notice and it gives the people who are there a
reason to come back and they can say they were
there when this happened, just like people say to this day,
I was there when Flurry played his first game.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
They kind of got to take a little bit of
a page out of the Pirates playbook here right, and
how they build up you know, a Skeen's day. They
didn't do it this year, but for example, like what
a Chandler day would be like, like do you know
what somebody tweeted?

Speaker 1 (08:02):
This reminds me or reminded the guy tweeted, And I
agree of when the Pirates and Tigers played that double
header and Skins and Scoob Will pitched in opposite ends
of the double header because neither manager wanted to go
in the head because they wanted to give themselves a
good chance of winning at least the one game, and
totally ignored the entertainment value.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, and it happened again last year too with Otani.
Remember there was a chance for Skeens in Otanni to
run up against each other's starting as pitchers, and then
the Dodgers bumped OTWNI to like some game in Baltimore
later in the week. There is no sense for showbiz
anymore across sports. But like I say, with the Pirates,
like they get that buzz from like this great prospects debut,
come out to the ballpark, let's get a sellout and
more schemes to be But you know what I'm saying like,

(08:44):
you could have still fed into that a little bit
and you could have gotten You wouldn't have sold out
the barn, but you could have gotten more tickets.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's nice on national TV too.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Right, it's a showcase game on ESPN.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, it could have.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Been a real coming out party for this kid. And
if he fails, well sometimes you fail. But again, to
quote the great Bruce Arians, no risk it, no biscuit Tom.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
This has me so mad. I want to talk football,
which we will do.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
We got some great Ben sound the sound he talked
about Kendrick creen what the Steelers gave Rogers now and
what the Steelers gave Ben and his last year.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
It's pretty funny stuff that's just around the corner.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I want to five to nine one of them. Here's
a great SoundBite from once Again today, the Ben Roethlisberger podcast.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
I do love the Big Ben Podcast.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
It's been basically complaining that the Steelers have given Aaron
Rodgers more to work with now than the Steelers gave
Ben to work with in the last year of his career.
I still think it's funny because like, they given Aaron
dk all these things, and I got a senator that
never played center before my last year.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
He's talking about Kendrick Green.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Of course, Kendrick tweeted about catching Stray's lol.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Now.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Green was the third round pick in twenty twenty one.
Had always played guard, Steelers moving them to center. Couldn't
play center, couldn't really play guard either. Only lasted three
seasons in the NFL. But no, we wouldn't want to
trade a third round pick to get a receiver that
can help us now.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Any hoodles.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Ben had a pretty good team in twenty twenty one,
his last year, made the playoffs, got killed by Kansas
City forty two to twenty one. But Ben wasn't great
After he popped his elbow in nineteen. He got by
on Guile Rogers's arm right now, way better than Ben

(10:55):
arm was after twenty nineteen. But Ben's receivers mostly sucked
Deonta and Claypool. Nagy was the first ground pick, but
he shouldn't really have been a first ground pick. He was, Okay,
he's one of them guys. If you get Naugy in
like the second or third round, you think you're done
pretty good. Instead, they got Kendrick Green in the third round. Okay,

(11:17):
so maybe Ben's right. But Ben won three of the
last four regular season games in his final year to
sneak the Steelers into the playoffs. Got a great sendoff
his last home game at Acrossure, So it was hardly
a nightmare.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Tom.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Let's be blunt.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Ben likes to complain, be passive, aggressive, and hear himself talk.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, I completely agree. But it was pretty dumb of
the Steelers to take a guard and try to make
him a center, a third round guard and try to
make him a center.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Probably just a bad third round pick period period, probably,
but it was so against the grain for them, too
right to play a rookie immediately just to kind of
throw him into the fire like he was pounced, like
he had that same pedigree like they did with Poalcy
when he came out of Florida.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
It was just a bad draft pick. But yeah, Ben,
you don't need to be petty anymore. That petty at
least I enjoyed.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
No, I'm gonna cut you off right there. I enjoy
Ben's pettiness. Ben and Ben. Ben's always been that way.
I mean, Ben's always been a guy who likes.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
To bitch and moan.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
I just like it.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
He's my guy, he was my neighbor.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
I'm a Ben fan, and Ben just wanted to conduct
every draft like Ben got legit pissed when the Steeler
drafted Mason Rudolph in the third round.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Get somebody to help me now, and.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
I'm a little legit pissed to it now in hindsight,
because Mason Rudolph was not the future of the Pittsburgh
Steelers at quarterback. They had that first round grade on him.
Taking him in the third round, thought we got the
steel thought we could put him in the incubator for
a couple of years and just never worked out. Just
a very good backup.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Another third round pick.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Again, he can't get.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Trade a third round pick to getst a receiver that
can help you nou way too valuable.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Could get a potential backup quarterback in the future in
a bust at center. So you got to keep those picks.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, we're gonna go over some of the picks that
they've taken.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Like you look at the fourth round picks, because that's
what Jacksonville gave up a fourth and a sixth.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Right to get Jacoby Meyer.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Jacoby Meyer from from Las Vegas. The receiver like the
last five fourth round picks. I mean they were like, okay,
But I'll give you an example, Jack Sawyer, fourth round
pick Fisher. He's pretty good. I don't think you'll ever start,
do you.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
No. I think it'll be a nice player, you know,
a good pass rush specialist, like part of a rotation. Yeah, exactly,
but not a starter. No, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Not a Pro Bowl or not at all.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
I'd be surprised if he reaches all pro level, that's
for sure.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Well right, but so I'd be willing to trade him
to get a receiver like Myers that can help you.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Now, without question, you don't have to convince me. I
think you should be willing to spend four US thirds, fifth,
sixth all the time, push those chips in. There's too
many examples of teams being very aggress with their trade
assets recently to help build a team and win Super Bowl.
The Rams are the one that comes to mind the most.
They just burned it down draft pick wise. How are
the Rams now? Mark too? Did that put them in

(14:09):
a buying Are they, you know, behind the eight ball? No,
they're a contender.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Again, they're pretty good. It air is a better question.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Have the Steelers done enough to help Aaron Rodgers now,
because they sure didn't on Tuesday at the deadline.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
I would love to know how he really feels about that,
because he has put up numbers and has played to
a level that warrants them going out and getting him help, right.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
I'd like to share some maayahuasca with with Rogers, sit
down in a dark room with him and see what
he thinks.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
I think he would have loved Jacoby Meyer to be
a part of it. I mean, he's apparently recruiting Marquez
Valdez Scantling to at least even come on to be
the practice squad guy.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
That was weird.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
MVS talked about how Rogers wanted him here, but it
certainly took long enough and he's only on the practice squad.
That was just a weird thing to say. And I
think he said it with Rogers sitting right there.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Because he kept saying, like this guy next to me,
he referenced Rogers without actually saying his name. Yeah, it
was a weird. But if Rogers is, you know, kind
of pushing to get that guy in on the practice squad,
you know he would have definitely been pushing to get
somebody legitimate on the actual team.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
What's difficult to fathom that the Steelers signed a top
ten quarterback ever in Aaron Rodgers, who's old but still
pretty good now, and didn't get him a legit number
two wide out. That said, Rogers likes Calvin Austin a.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Third because I think he has to like Calvin Austin
the third And I think he likes Roman Wilson and
gasses him up because he has to like Roman.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Wilson maybe, but he doesn't have to like Darnell Washington
because he's got I think better alternatives, not bigger, but better.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
I think he just actually does like Darnell Washington. I
think he likes thrown to that big oath.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, he's more than a big of He's a big
oaf that can I mean get in the way. But
but yeah, I mean I'm surprised they never brought in
Lazard from New York because he I don't think he
even gets a helmet here. Yeah, I think he's in
the pan of my list and they stink. I'm surprised
they didn't get him instead of ow Des Scantling.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
And they burned it down. So I mean, like you
could get Lazard for a six seventh round. Probably nothing.
Even they just be like, hey, can you just cut
his ard and we'll go pick him up.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
But I think it's good that Rogers has had minimal
impact on the roster because that did not do well
when they went by what he wanted in New York.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Correct. But I think he should have had impact on
the roster indirectly, just based on how he's played and
how there's such an obvious need to get him another weapon.
Do you think getting that secondary wide receiver would help
DK two, who's kind of been stuck in mud lately.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
No.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I think he's just really disappointed.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
There's no one to take coverage away.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, but I don't think taking coverage away would would
make him catch balls.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
He drops, he drops it. That's a great point. He
has good for at least one drop a game.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Not just him, I mean Darnold Washington drops balls.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Johnny Smith dropped the first pass of the game. He
had his first like game breaking play on a silver platter,
first play of the Colts game, and he dropped a
beautiful pass from Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
I meant he's pissed, but how pissed? And John Hub,
like you said, when he drops the ball, like that.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
That was his moment, that was his big impact play.
He would have had probably close to like sixty seventy
yards receiving if he caught that.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
To me, let's stay with that, Tom, because I think
the biggest mystery of this Dealer season to date is
why is John Hu Smith on a milk carton? Why
is the m i A He was brought in with
big expectations.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
You know, It's funny at the beginning of the season,
don't you think all of the tight ends were kind
of on a milk carton and you're like, how are
these tight ends going to fit in other than Darnell
Washington and the jumbo package, Like what are their identities?
And then Darnell's started to develop his and Pats kind
of come on a little bit lately, and it's just
John Ou Smith who's still as we enter week ten,
has yet to really make an impact on this offense.
They just have too much, right, too many tight ends.

(17:30):
They're fine with Darnell and Pat Friarmouth or Darnell or
Johnny Smith.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I think they've won too many tight ends Cooks. What
they should have done is not get John who but
he was part of that Ramsey deal, and I'm glad
they got Ramsey. Then again, I'm not sure if you
don't use John who more than they are, you know,
target him more than they are. If Ramsey has safety
is and upgrade over Minca. Although the Dolphins were trying
to trade Minca at the deadline, it's set. You know.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
That's a good point, Like if Ramsey doesn't get takeaways,
if he goes to safety and after like five or
six weeks, it's just, hey, he's got everybody buttoned up. Hey,
he make sure that the big play doesn't happen. That's
what Menca was doing for the past two Years' tick
a one off.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
You know what I really liked about Ramsey though, for
a guy who's played cover corner's whole career, he can hit.
He's deceptively tough, yep, And I really think he can
make that transition to safety like Woodson did. Maybe not
to that degree, but I think Ramsey can play like
four more years as a safety.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Don't you think the toughness is such a crucial part
of that transition, Like you're saying the willingness to hit,
the willingness to be in run support, because that's part
of the safety position, and obviously Rod Woodson and Charles Woodson,
the two Woodson's that made that transition, they could lay
the lumber. And You're right about Ramsey. He hits hard,
he's willing to hit. I think he can be a
very good safety in this league. Probably not an All
Pro like Rod got to be, but I think he'd

(18:46):
be pretty good. I'm not even rolling out all pro
you could get to that level at safety. I think
he's got a great football mind, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
I think having played cover corner, it gives him a
different way to look at the field in front of
him on safety that he can exploit.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Are you a little like I said, he hits, Are
you a little surprised that, you know, a career outside
corner probably going to go to the Hall of Fame
multiple All pros, is so willing to make this transition,
like he feels like he's, you know, putting minimal resistance
to it.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
I think that game he had trying to cover Jamar
Chase when the Steelers got beat by Cincinnati may have
made him see the lights one oh five nine The
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Speaker 2 (19:32):
A lot of sidebars with the Steelers going on.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Mark Cabali from the Pat McAfee Show said, omar Con
the GM that that Con was working his ass off
unquote at the trade deadline. I mean, blah blah blah.
Either got somebody or you didn't. Mike Frable, the new
England coach, somebody asked him if the Patriots were close
to making deals, and he said, making a trade is

(19:56):
like being pregnant.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
You either are or you aren't. Ray fit Depalter from
the PG.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Said, a lot of the Steelers players want the Steelers
to keep the changes they used on defense against the Colts.
You know, the four to three mutation, the stuff with
the inside and outside backers that I one hundred percent believe,
and I think they should keep doing a lot of that.
The Steelers are reportedly gonna meet with assante Samuel Junior.

(20:27):
I see different stories, meet with them, work them out
the free agent cornerback, because why wouldn't any team want
a guy who hasn't played even one game in the
NFL this year? That said, he started forty seven games
in the NFL over the last four years, went on
ir last year after four games with his shoulder injury.
Played his whole career with the LA Chargers. He's only

(20:49):
twenty six, and I know, I know, I know for
sure he's better than Darius Slay. But I hate recycle
cling going through the dumpster. And Samwell's gonna meet with
a bunch of other teams too. Is it Samuell or
Samuel I pronounced? I used both just in case Tom.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Samuel A Sante? Samuel Jr?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Any good?

Speaker 3 (21:15):
He's okay. I don't know if I would go after him. Plus,
he's on like the Ben Affleck Goodwill Hunting Tour, where
he's like going around to all the places. You know,
he was going around to all the businesses that were
trying to entertain Will Hunting. Like he's just going on tour.
So I think other teams are gonna snap him up.
There's better options out there than the Steelers for players
to jump on with, Like I saw, the Packers are
one of them. Won't you much rather be a Packer?

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, it depends what your prospects are to play to
get on the field.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
It's a good point. I guess I still think I
would much rather be a packer or on a team
that is probably going to greater heights than the Steelers are.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
And Tom and.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Will never bench Darius Slay vetering respect they need Darius
Slay to get.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Hurt unless you don't see another veteran like Samuel coming in,
and then maybe that's an avenue to benching Sleigh just
because it's a vet being benched for another vet.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
I think that they correspond what they're paying somebody to
opportunity they feel required to give him, and they're paying
Darius Lay ten million dollars.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
It's my biggest worry when it comes to this transition
from Jalen Ramsey to corner to safety, is now that
outside corner in the I don't want to say hole
that Ramsey leaves there, because it's not like Ramsey was
playing that great at outside corner anyway. But he was
a lot better than Darius Slay and he seems to
be the most obvious option and the option that they're
most willing to put out there, and he's just cooked,
he's done. It's gonna hurt them badly.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
They're playing Cincinnati and in a couple weeks, but I think
their game plan will be to cover Jamar Chase then,
since Ramsey got frick aside by Chase the last time
the team's played, I.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Have no idea, hope, pray, I have no idea what
their plan would be. I bet you they put Porter
on t Higgins again, because they just, for whatever reason,
love that strategy that never works and always blows up
in their face. It have to be like double and
triple team. Maybe Ramsey will still be on Chase a lot,
but he'll be like the help on Chase this time
instead of the main coverage.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Do you think they'll keep Ramsey in safety? I bet
they put him back at corner.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
I think the most obvious thing to do is keep
it with safety, and they won't.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I think that there will be some things exposed on
the outside because of how bad Sleigh is that they'll
be tempted to move Ramsey back into that spot. He
needs to play safety and he needs to creep down
into that slot role every once in a while. Other
than that, he cannot go outside.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Here we are after eight games, and we're talking about
holes they still need to fill, you know, by Hooker Crook,
you know, smoking mirrors do it somehow, and they did
nothing at the deadline.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
That's what I mean, Like a corner and a wide
receiver were just kind of such glaring needs in your face.
Especially with the Ramsey transition happening. It's such a big
miss to not go and improve in those two rooms.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, and I said before the deadline Tom that that
safety and or cornerback, depending on where you play Ramsey
was a bigger need than wide out. You don't get
buy it wide out, yeah, you know, because you got
all them tight ends. I mean, it all goes to
crap if DK gets hurt exactly. That's a slightly different conversation,
but as constructed right now, if healthy, you can assemb well,

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you know, a good receiving corps again, including the tight ends.
Although you know, like I said, their stats are way down.
Their receiving stats, it's a joke. Rogers has a bunch
of touchdowns and he has spread the ball around, so
his yards aren't bad. But ain't nobody excelling. DK even
isn't excelling, doesn't have those numbers.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Now, No one in the receiving corp is excelling. None
of the tight ends, none of the wide receivers backs
out of the backfield aren't even excelling anymore. Remember they
were at the beginning of the season. Especially Warren out
of the backfield was such a threat. Haven't seen that
much in recent weeks.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Well, my point is that you can get by with
the receivers, you can't get by with their defensive backfield.
Their defensive backfield, even with everybody healthy, isn't good enough.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
I completely agree, and it's just that one outside corner spot.
I really think if you would have got not a Sauce,
I mean I wouldn't have turned down a sauce and
turned off that trade completely. But any upgrade from Sleigh
on the outside, and I think that defensive backfield does
start to fit together nicely. Because Ecles was a real
good slot. He was brought here initially to play that slot.
I have no worries about him sliding into that role
for Ramsey, it's all about the outside second corner.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
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Speaker 2 (25:09):
Tom.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
We talked Peen was before and totally got away from
anything but me being pissed about Morrishoff not playing tonight.
You know, it's funny. If they win tonight, it'll be
like they made the right decision. It's still not the
right decision. If they win tonight and then Morrishoff wins
at Jersey Saturday, it's still not the right decision. But
I gotta get off this tangent because it's driving me nuts.

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How will Ben Kendall do on Sid's wing?

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Do you think? I think it's a good fit.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
I think, like I've said before, they will think things
the same. My only concern is how Kendall adjusts to wing,
because I think he's a better center.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
I bet Kendall puts one in tonight off of Sid's assist.
Kendall's been heating up in his own right anyway, scoring
a lot of goals lately, so bet she puts one in.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
I bet he scores a PPG for pg H.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Well, he's their best power play player. I think that
the Sid and Kindle looks will do really well, and
I hope that encourages them to kind of keep doing
it for a couple of games here moving forward. But
I still like I like the idea of Kindle on
Sid's wing, but he was so good as a center.
Do you want to give up the potential of him
being a center?

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Maybe?

Speaker 1 (26:12):
See I'm going back and forth with but you're not
doing it forever, right, That's true. A great center is
in along right, no question. You think that's the vision
just being done for Sid more than Kindle, although I
don't think Kindall's gonna mind.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, I think Kendall's going to reap the rewards. Now.
The big thing, too, is can Heinen come up and
kind of do not to the level that he was
in Wilkes, but at least produced to some level on
that third line center.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
He's in the habit of getting points at Wilkes. Maybe
you can carry that out. But over to his return
to the NHL, because, like Porky said yesterday, those guys
don't want to go back. I mean, Heinen is, Ryan
Graves is, But you got to make the most of
while you're here.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
And I got to tell you.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
And by the way, it looks like Graves will be
in the lineup tonight, that him and Connor Clifton will
be the third defense pair with Brunick and Dumbu being out,
and that just pushes the decision on Brunick, you know
whether to keep him or not down the road, I
guess for a couple more days. But I think Ryan
Graves could be better his prior stops Colorado and New Jersey.

(27:11):
They played a more defensive oriented system as opposed to
activating all the time like the Penguins defenseman did under
Sullivan and pinching all the time. Now the Penguins have
better defensive system. They pinch less, they're more selective, same
thing with activating. I think the way they play now
could benefit Graves. That said, he practiced in that system

(27:32):
and played exhibition games in that system in the preseason
and still got cut.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
I was gonna say, like, why was he so crap
then in the training camp and in the preseason games
playing in the damn use system. Maybe he gets a
little bit of a wake up call for riding the
bus and being in the minors for a month, that
he'll come with a new sense of appreciation for being
at the NHL level and a more focus level. But
I don't know. I mean, I'm not penning hopes on

(27:57):
Ryan Graves becoming good all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
No, no, me neither. But I'm still curious.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
If it works slightly better.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Django, I'm curious what makes you so curious? And by
the way, those buses in the AHL aren't that bad.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
They're luxury buses.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
I mean more so.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
I mean it's not like in North Hill's school district,
you know, yellow traditional school bus.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Do they have the hole in the back, the pe
hole that they like carve out on the floor.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Is that from what Goon?

Speaker 3 (28:21):
I think it's Goon. Yeah, they have the p hole
in the back. You gotta sit in the p hole, right.
That's what the coach says to Doug whenever he gets
in trouble for I think scoring goals, right, or it
was later in the movie.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Maybe you could say he goes, you guys gotta go
out there and give an effort.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
It's not effing.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Baseball coach is an underrated like you know for ranking
or if we had a trifector for movie coaches, he's
an underrated one wouldn't make the list.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
But the Goon coach is great. All the coaches in Goon,
because there were several were.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
There several coaches.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Was the assistant the guy that coached the local team
that he made.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Oh my God, you're right, the guy who kind of
taught him how to skate like there and like beat
the hell out of the whole team. Yes, okay, yeah,
you're right. The guy kind of showed him the ropes
at first, then he got to Halifax.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
No, I really want to watch that scene.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Goon's great. Goon Two's great too. Do you like the
second one?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Good continuation. The old player becomes the assistant coach in
the second one.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
And Alicia Kochberg plays a puck buddy. So that's art
imitating life.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
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Speaker 3 (29:32):
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Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's gonna be a pretty nice day, sunshine if you
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Show on one O five nine DX. I got a
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to see every single one of your work. Your effing
asses off until you puke your guts that this is

(29:57):
not effing baseball. I'm just so bummed that Morrishof's not
playing tonight, Tom, What do we got for the trifecta?

Speaker 3 (30:06):
For today's trifecta? Mark, you mentioned this earlier in the show,
But Jordan Binnington trying to steal the Alex Ovechkin number
nine hundred puck? I respect it, honestly.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
He's a d But it was funny.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Do you think he was doing it for a laugh
or was there actual intention to get out of that
stadium that night with that number nine hundred pucks?

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I think he pretended it to start it was for
a laugh. No, no, at the end, it was for
a laugh.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Like he recovers right, like he wanted, all right, well
here's some three sports pants. I know, so weird he
had to like dig so far deep into if I'm
ov I'm like, I don't need it anymore.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
What if he had a different puck in the pants
swap and he has the real puck now has the
foresight to do that.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
He played an entire game with a puck in his pants,
like he's happy Gilmore, I could see it, all right, Well,
these are three sports heists that come to mind. Number
three in Space Jam, when the Monstars stole the NBA
player's talent to try to enslave all of the Looney Tunes,
but then Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck were able to
recruit Michael Jordan to get the talent back. Number two
is the NBA frozen envelope stealing Patrick Ewing for the

(31:04):
New York Knicks. I believe that happened one hundred percent
think it happened. And number one is the stealing of
all of OJ Simpson's memorabilia by O. J. Simpson himself.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Did you see that in the E FPIN documentary.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
When he stole the stuff back in the tapes? No,
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
They had video, they had audio. Yeah. Oh, And like
I don't know if I told her this.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
When I saw that on ESPN the thirty for thirty
about oj Made in America, which is a great documentary,
I went back in my email to look at bills
I got, like receipts I got from staying in Vegas.
I stayed in the same room at Palaestation once that
Ojuh went into with his crew and took his memorabile.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
All the memorabilia was in. You're in that very room. Yep,
that's awesome. Like some people say like I was in
a room that was haunted or something like that. I
would be so proud of that. If IRE was you,
I would wear that like a badge of honor. I
was in OJ Simpson's memorabilia room.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
I don't know who the I'm not sure that big.
It's a huge deal to me. What a very nice room.
It's like at Pallas Days they have a tower and
they have like a like kind of like a motel type,
you know, wings with the you know, like single floor,
and those rooms aren't as nice.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Not know how, but I got stuck there.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
I can't remember who the weekend Update host who executed
this joke. It was such a norm would have been
so proud of him when this story broke. I just
remember the Weekend Update guy said something along the lines
of O. J. Simpson was arrested for and all the
charges of burglary and went through it and then at
the end he went but mostly murder.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Well, I thought, what was the one attorney's name, like
the lesser light on the Johnny Cockety and Karl Douglas.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
I think, yes, the African American guys.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
He said that O J should have got like two
years at the most for you know, that that thing
in Vegas, like taking his memorabilia back, But they got
even for him having got off, you know, for the
double murder. And I think that's probably true, I think severely.
But but he didn't commit a crime, would have gone
to jail for a bit, and he should have known better.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
How can you, how can you just think you have the.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
OJ privilege after you got away with to Marty's dead again,
Here's how whol.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Was he was when he got out.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
And this is in the OJU docudrama where Cuba Gooding
plays oj but it's based you know, a lot of
truth in there. He had his kid call the restaurants,
like you know in Brentwood to get reservations to have
a celebration the next night. Nobody would take his reservation
and he couldn't believe it. Well, it's because you not
only got away with murder, but your murdered two people,

(33:32):
one who worked at one of these joints and one
who came here all the time a waiter.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was totally for murder that
he was put up for as long as he was
for breaking in and stealing all of that. How do
you even find like a jury that doesn't know the
OJ story to try to prosecute him on the memorabilia case.
You couldn't, right, everybody knows who he was. Judge sentenced,
judge sentence, and like the I think might have been

(34:00):
just the judge trial as a matter.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Of fact, I have to do because you couldn't find
one right. But the point is is that you know
he should have just done nothing. And it wasn't even
he thought he was going there to get back like
personal stuff he was getting he went. It turned out
the guy just had a whole bunch of autographed eight
by ten stuff like that. He wasn't looking for his highs,
like really elementary stuff. No, I think the Goldmans have
the heisman.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
The heisman is still in his possession or they have
it now because they got it in the set of things.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
I don't know, I know, I think I don't know
who literally got No, I don't know. Maybe his agent
took it and I don't know. But the point is
he did.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Not have it.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
I get kind of breaking in for your heisman, but
for just some eight by tens. Do you think he
thought it was his heisman and stuff like that. And
when he gets there he sees the eight by tens,
He's like, you gotta be kidding me.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
I just think that he thinks that everything should go
his way all the time, the bud And why wouldn't
you think that because he lived such a privilege. Yeah,
when he was an athlete then got away with a
double homicide.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
You're right, the balls to kind of test it again
to go.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
I would have interviewed oj after.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
He probably was gettable too for a good moment.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
He was such a great social media presence. Yes, his Twitter, Hey,
Twitter world, those were the best.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
I liked.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
I liked what he would update like fantasy football.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yes, I remember that. Andrew Luck retired on him the
second after he drafted him, and he posted this video
on Twitter. He was just enraged. He was like, hey,
you look, how can you do this to me? He
was legit mass so mad at Luck.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Like that would have been more where you could say, Okay,
this is kind of funny, blah blah blah. All right, Uh,
don't forget Uh did I did I plug Danny's Pizza?

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Not yet?

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Let's plug it okay.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
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Speaker 2 (35:41):
Uh, great Hogies.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
You gotta go get him great pizza too, And of
course the pregame show brought to us by our good
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Speaker 3 (35:49):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
I'm pissed because they're not playing more shoft tonight. That said,
I'm gonna go because I always go. Tom de pen
was gonna be pissed at me. Jen Jen Balan is gonna.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Lecture me tonight when you go to the game for sure,
h whatever You've been chewed out before.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Like like like uh Aldo, Lieutenant Rain.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah. And I'm not dismissing Kyle coming to find me,
but probably not.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
You're right about this though.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
If Gen comes to lecture me, I'm going to say
to Jen Jen, you know I'm right. You agree with me,
You just have to come yeah, reprimand me.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yeah, no question. How could you not agree with you?
It's such a moment that it's just presented to them
and they're fumbling it. I mean, the opponent couldn't be
more perfect either. Mark with Ov, the predominant Russian just
scoring nine hundred goals and the Cap Penguin rivalry on
top of that. It's literally perfect and they fumbled.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
You gotta give Ov major credit. I mean, nine hundred goals.
My gout and say, I think he's not at the
end of the year, don't you. Yeah, he looks like
he has three goals so far this year. And here's
the two things. He looks out of gas and even
talks out of gas, like like not that he's like
gloom and doom, but he's like you can tell that
he's kind of waiting for the end. And I think

(36:57):
the adrenaline dissipated with the catching Gretzky and then making
the playoffs, which nobody expected them to do, and this
year he got nine hundred.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
I mean, can you keep manufacturing adrenaline surges at age four?

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah, Well, you've already done so much and you've caught Gretzky,
you have the record. No one's probably gonna catch you.
It's hard to believe someone would catch nine hundred.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
I'm really glad he won a Cup.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah, and it legitimized his career. Do you think that
he still enjoys going out to the office, though on
the power play, just ripping at the net. I mean,
that's still got to be a little bit fun for him.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
I don't know if I were him. If I were him,
I just I don't know. I mean, like there's a
time to stop doing stuff and maybe I don't know.
You can't speak for people. But if I were him,
I mean, I think Sid will outlast Ovi. I think
by several years. But I think Sid's probably in better condition.
I mean, not that Ovih's out of shape, but he's

(37:50):
a bigger guy who's taken and given more punishment.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Nothing Sid's is shrinking violent, but you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, And I'm not saying he got a bunch of
five car pollups. I'm not saying true. And I'm not
saying that he's out of shape either, But he did
not take care of his body in the off seasons
like Sid does.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Somebody did, except maybe.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Tanger, But but yeah, I just I'm really I didn't
think this at the time. I'm glad ov won a
cup because that would hang over his head forever if
he hadn't. Absolutely, so I'm happy for the guy and
Penguin fans going to the game. Give Ov a standing
ovation because I'm sure that's gonna be on the board
him scoring the goal.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Did you see the goal?

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Yeah, where he like kind of like it was like
a Chechs hockey spinner. Weird.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
It's not a typical.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Ov goal again, and not from the office, like a
slap shot on the power play where you think he'd
get it.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Do you know they're talking about Tom Wilson making Team Canada.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
I hope they do pick Tom Wilson for Team Canada
because I team USA to win.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Team usain't winning.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Bro Well, I can still root for them, and that
would be a mistake for Team Canada.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
They're good, they're good. They're gonna pick the wrong players.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
They probably will as well.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
And I routed for Sid anyway.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I rout it for Mario when he played for Canada
and that was tough Mario against Herb Brooks and O two.
But I route for Mario for Canada. I ruled for
Sid for Canada. Doc Canada.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
You don't think they'll take Wilson, right That's just a
little bit of a rumor that's happening right now. They
usually nail it by taking the best players.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I don't think so, but I don't know so.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Just around the corner, I'm going to tell you why
the Steelers for sure should have traded a fourth round
pick to get something at that effing trade deadline.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Five nine