April 16, 2024 • 41 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to talk about Dax Hill's undefined role, a few underdiscussed Bengals draft possibilties, and the most important question of the offeason....
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Oh, guess what day it is. Guess what day it is? Dudday?
All right, if you say so. Good afternoon on my legger.
This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thankyou for listening. Thrilled that you're here.
Hopefully you're having an unbelievable Tuesday afternoon. I could not be more flustered.
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Paul Danner Junior's here. We're talkingabout is uh? Is it not
whole? Is it little league?Is it? What is it called league?
It's a little league, O Kelly, very good little league coaching experience.
I'm sending tweets. We're working onall sorts of stuff in the studio,
but we're now we're gonna do aradio show. I hope I didn't
fluster you, not at all.So you provided a calming influence. Yeah,
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that's that's what That's usually what happened, which I appreciated and badly needed.
It's it's good to have Paul here. We were busy today. Frankie
Montass was terrible last night. We'regoing to discuss that in the four o'clock
hour. Ellie de la Cruz madea great play at shortstop last night.
I can't help but wonder something we'regonna give away more Aerosmith tickets. We
have another game to play. Atfour thirty three. I'll give you,
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I'll give you like ninety minutes tobone up on your knowledge of Red's manager
David Bell. This is gonna beno your David Bell at four thirty three
and also the author of The Beast, Dave Brugler. It's it's a double
athletic day. Wow. Dane's gonnajoin us at five thirty three because he
wrote a three hundred and twenty threepage draft guide and so we're going to
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talk about the draft both this yearand the one two years ago with Dane
in about two and a half hours. We have a show preview video I
just posted on Twitter. Thanks toour friends at Emery Federal Credit Union your
credit Union with heart since nineteen thirtynine. Most importantly, Paul is here
covering the Bengals for The Athletic podcastingabout the Bengals for The Growler, his
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thrice weekly podcast. Yes you likethat. Yeah, it's thrice. I
mean it's a little much, butit's fine. He does a podcast three
days a week. Hey goo,Yeah, and it's good. Yeah,
that's day. And Dane will beon tomorrow's WOWW show. I interviewed him
yesterday and using it for our trenches, all trenches, all the time.
This is I mean, this isjust a Bengals fans love the trench.
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Trenches. So we did wide Receivers, Past Catchers Bowers talk last week,
exhausted that topic beyond belief, andso now we're going to exhaust one last
exhaustive shot at the trenches topic,which is obviously we've already done in many
different sure permutations, but this iskind of the final deep dive. The
draft is in nine days. Youand I have another Tuesday next week,
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which which means the the Mow andPaul Draft preview. I just came up
with that. Yeah that sounds good. Yeah, but that'll be as good
as any of the other ones.I mean, this is the Moega Radio
show. Yeah, yeah, we'reone of those shows if you go around
the country. I'm sure you've beenon some of those shows where it's like
the Zone and the Fan the clubhouse. We've yet to come up with a
fun name beyond the Jippy and Jojoin the morning, right, Yeah,
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we haven't. Well, no,we're not going there, just sticking I
think sticking with I think it's bestto be clear about what you are.
Yeah, you know, I agreethe Moega radio show, and you never
come away from that wondering what's aboutto happen. Actually, I think most
of the time when you turn iton, you have I have no idea
what's about to happen. So wehave some draft stuff that I do want
to get to. But but yesterday, the guys were back, the players
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were back. You had a chanceto interview some of the guys, spend
some time with him, get himin a scrum, get him in a
one on one setting if you could. Did anybody say anything interesting yesterday?
I mean, I think Dax Hillis the most interesting storyline to come out
of yesterday, but more so ofthe course of the entire offseason. It
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was sort of the latest round ofwhat exactly is happening here? You know,
It's like he was looking forward tofinding out what his role would be.
Zach Taylor sort of said, yeah, I mean, I think we've
all got a pretty good feel forwhat's happening. Nobody seems having any interest
and telling us what exactly that is. And that's fine because I don't think
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they know. Because I think that'sjust Look, the whole picture isn't together
yet. I mean, the draftstill has to happen, and then there's
potential for post free agency and thensee where all the pieces fit together,
and then we can be a littlemore public and with the plan. I
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think they have a B and Cright and how they want it to go.
But you know, it depends onwhat the personnel groupings look like.
Because when you have somebody who isas versatile as the Axis, who can
do a number of different things,figuring out how to deploy him in a
lot of ways does depend on whatthe other things that the other guys can
do or you know, are herefor you. And I spent some time
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on your podcast yesterday talking about Daxand then was thinking about him in the
aftermath of that. I'm actually prettyoptimistic that this is going to work.
I have a versatile player with Ithink pretty obvious athletic traits. He should
be motivated. There's some quality playersin the secondary, and he works for
a very good defensive coordinator. Idon't know what the role is going to
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be or what it's going to looklike at the outset of the season,
but I have a general feeling,and you could throw cold water over this
if you want. I think thisis gonna work out. I don't know
how, but I'm moderately optimistic thatthis is gonna work. I don't have
a problem with whatever the plan isgoing to be, like whatever, I'm
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I'm sure. My problem is Ireally thought you couldn't have set it up
better to work out than last year, right, and it did not work
out well? So is this awas that a situational thing? Was that?
Look, the projection to safety wasthe wrong projection and they're pivoting now
to find something that will put thisguy into the role that really does fit
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him and he's gonna take off.Was it a thing of Look, it
was just his first year starting.The excuses start to pile up for a
little too fast. You told memonths ago you're out on dax Hills.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, theyThe excuses have piled up from I'm buying
a stock when it's cheap. That'sfine, that's and that's fine. I'm
not I'm not saying that there isn'tstill look, plenty of chances for it
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to work, but there is noreal spot for it to work right now.
I mean that's that's just the bottomline and where it's whatever the plan
ends up being, it's not Hey, Dax Hill is starting day one right,
that's not happening. There's nowhere forit to go unless he can win
a job. The only job thatappears open would be outside corner because as
long as Mike Hilton this year,so I don't really know where that's going
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to be. And I I likewhat he said in that. I like
that he said, Look, Ihad to reflect, I had to be
better. I have to realize thatI got to be better this year and
that it's an important year and Igot to make a leap and and all
I have to do is he couldhave showed up. And I feel like
there was some young complaining that firstyear rookies go through this all the time.
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They're not playing as much as theywant, it's not going exactly how
they hope it will be. Thereuse to be in the man, it's
hard. It's hard. We seethis happen every year, specifically with first
round picks, so this is notbut Dax particularly had a frustrating experience because
he didn't really get to play hardyat all and felt like he was only
doing things that he wasn't supposed tobe there to do, and there was
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some kind of to his experience.And last year it was better, but
then you had the play on thefield didn't quite work out. It felt
yesterday like you're not gonna hear complainingfrom me? Was his message. What's
your best role, Dax? Mybest role is whatever they tell me to
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do. I want to be greatat whatever they want me to do,
and I need to be better.All of that is exactly what you want
him to say. And that's allhe can do right now is show up
and say the right things. Andso I think that is a step in
the right direction. I do thinkthat that's good. I don't know that
that necessarily means that it's gonna workout for Dax. I think everybody hopes
it does. That dude has tonsof talent, right Like, there's no
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reason that it can. But that'swhat I default to. Like yesterday,
and we talked about this yesterday,I got good attitude. I didn't know
right I didn't he could show upin sulk and mope and not be accountable
to a guy people business. Theybrought in two people he could complain about
it. He can send cryptic tweets, or he could say, you know
what, I'm gonna show up andwork and do what they say and carve
out a role on this team thatmakes me useful. Now you might have
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said when they drafted him, wewere looking for more than just useful.
But okay, I can't go backin time. All I can do is
take what happened last year and no, that's not good enough. They had
to address it. They did infree agency in spades. Okay, So
it's up to Dax to have agood attitude. If we start there,
he's going to work for a verygood defensive coordinator. He has physical attributes
and there are some guys he canlearn from if at some point he's going
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to be a safety. And Istill feel like in the short term there's
there has to be a role ifhe's if he's versatile enough and good enough,
lou and Aromo's not going to finda place for him to help this
team. And so that's why Ifeel like, because of what I heard
yesterday and what I know about him, that there's a decent chance this works.
And there is still so much ofthe look this is a young defensive
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back, and we've seen across theleak guys that struggle early in their career,
particularly in their first year starting,and then figure it out and have
their breakout year. That if thathappened next year, no one would sit
here and say that's stunning. Imean that happens all the time, sure,
And so it's not that it's notpossible. It's just that, you
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know, I think you have tocome into it and wonder because of what
happened last year. Now, becausenow we have that full year where it
just didn't connect correctly, and youhope that for their sake that it will.
I am positive that a plan willbe apparent once we get through the
draft. I just don't think thatyou could ever say that what the plan
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is until you know what happens inthe draft, because you know what could
happen. They could take a cornerat eighteen, They could you know,
find maybe somebody they didn't think wasgoing to be there at eighteen or at
forty nine is sitting there. Let'ssay it's Mike Sanders, drill from from
Michigan. Let's say they take himand he's he's he's basically Mike, a
young Mike Hilton, right, andhe sits there and well, well Ax
is going to come in now andbe the other backup slot. But you
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got to move him outside or yougot to figure out way for him to
be part of the safety room.Again. All of that stuff is to
be worked out depending on what happensnext. And I think that's the whole
point, even though, like,can I just get a hint? Can
you give me a hint? Canwe just be a little more open about
it? Like, but I getit, they don't need you to,
but I just from very selfishly,i'd love to know. Sure, But
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like I mean, you could youcould sort of go a process of elimination,
like, oh, you know,I can say what he's not going
to be doing? Yeah? Right, No, I think I think I
think we know, and I thinkthere's enough whispers about what it is.
It's just I don't know. Itstill has a it still has a little
bit of something up my sleeve toit that makes me wonder, that's all.
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And this is not this is thatstrictly speculative just gut stuff. From
being around the team long enough,there's still feel I still feel like there's
a something trade them. I didn'tsay that I have said that. I'm
not saying that. I'm just sayingit just for that's kind of a natural
place to go, right, Yeah, Instantly, if a guy who other
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teams had to have had a prettygood grade on a couple of years ago
and suddenly he has he's potentially beingsqueezed out of a role, how do
you not advance to the conversation toOkay, could the Bengals get something for
him? You're selling low, you'reselling low. But yeah, but you
know, I mean if a team, if a team needed let's say they
said they always thought of him asa slot corner. Let's say Harbaugh,
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you know what I mean, Like, know the guy, know what he
can do, feel like he couldplay for you. Yeah, that'd be
something you're taking. I'm not sayingthat, I'm just saying it's it's it's
Spidey sense stuff. It's just likewhen something feels like it's not connecting,
you wonder what else is happening?Uh, and and so who knows,
but we'll we'll find out soon enough. Totally. I can't wait. Yeah,
I can't really sure he's he heis one of the most interesting people
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on the team. Yeah, heis being facetious. No, No,
I felt like that was like,yeah, I can't wait. No,
once the draft comes and goes,we're gonna do t Higgins talk for four
months, Okay, like of stuffthat can happen this summer. Finding out
what Dax Hill's role is is onthe on the short list of interesting things.
I just wanted to know who hisposition coaches? Tell me what?
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What like? So when you guysgo into you know, meetings today,
right and everybody goes the quarterbacks goover there there with Brad Kragthorpe and we've
got Troy Walters with receivers. WhatWho's who's at the front of the room
in Dax Hills? Is that theis it the cornerbacks coach? Is that?
Is that? Jordan Kovacs now safets? So maybe next week, maybe
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he's exclusively next week bought him DaxHills Amazing adventure eighteen after three o'clock Paul
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Juniors. Here. By the way, I did his podcast yesterday, the
Growler Podcast. If you watch iton YouTube, you can see how good
I am at handling a cough button. Yeah, that's right, near death
experience for you yesterday. That wasflawless on air. Never would have known.
I mean, that was some expertskill. Yeah. Yeah, that's
you know, that's what you want. You know, that's why they that's
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why you have the YouTube involved.You know, you have a cough button,
so you have a cough you canwatch your favorites nearly pass out right
almost did that yesterday. Today theBengals had their their version of Fantasy Cam
where they have all the the localplayers come and pretend they're Bengals for a
day. Is that that sort ofthe best way to characterize, and it's
kind of the best way to characterize. It's not a cavalcade stars, but
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there were I mean, there werea few guys that will get drafted or
be you know, preferred free agents, and that has been I mean,
Ivan Pace was there last year.It would have been nice to have him
worked out. Yeah, so yeah, you I mean Sewan Briggs. I
mean he was kind of the maybethe star of the show kind of deal.
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I mean he certainly he looked looksthe part and uh, you know,
is a good dude at a positionof need and seems like somebody they
could adventure. But yeah, there'snot you know, there's not a ton
of uh you know, top draftedpeople there. But you know that's something
they do every year, and therewe are. Does that take place around
the NFL? Does every NFL teamdo that? Every team does that?
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So you have certain teams and regionsthat obviously your region, but like there's
certain schools. So there used tobe a deal where the Bengals wouldn't get
Ohio State like they go to Clevelandor whatever. It's like, that's ridiculous.
What are we doing? Yeah,what are we doing? Like we
should that's a big we We wouldlike to be able to bring those guys
in for free. Doesn't count asa thirty visit used to local protests,
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so you can get extra people inthat way. Theoretically. Some years there's
bigger name that Alex Pearce has beenthere. I remember Paris Campbell came out,
I mean, Preston Brown. Overthe years, you have guys.
A lot of times those guys don'twork out, which was the case today
Steel Chambers. Yeah. Uh wasthere just a badass name? Yeah,
it really is. And so hehad jeans and boots on. He wasn't
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there to work out, No,no, no, but he looked pretty
sweet. But do they do itlike so they have players from UC and
Miami? Yeah? Right, yeah? Or local high schools? Yeah?
Does every And I'm genuinely asking herefor no other reason that I think it's
cool that they do it. Doother teams do players who went to area
high school Yeah, and then foundthemselves in college. That's your group that
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you can pull from. So youcan pull from local high schools, you
can pull from local colleges anyway tojust kind of it was obviously much more
prominent back in the day, butnow you know, still still think that
goes on the t Higgins said onSunday at a at a camp that he
anticipates playing for the Bengals. Didyou feel like then announcing that you anticipate
writing about the Bengals In case anybody'swondering, it's about the same amount of
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surprise and intrigue. Yeah, Imean, it's it was. It was
a thing where and I had JoeDanemon, who was the one that that
asked her up to the camp onthe Dean's TV Sports question, and uh
pointed out that right after that questionthat got shut down because there was a
look, no questions about anything otherthan the camp. Oh, come on,
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we're gonna talk about how long arewe gonna ask about campers? Okay,
appreciate their attendance, but I knewthat was coming, so it was
waiting. But and after that,so I don't I don't think he was
if he was surprised. I don'tknow if he was surprised, but I
think he he couldn't kind of helpjust be in his own honest, kind
of genuinely good self, Like that'sjust kind of who he is at his
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core. We'll see. But yeah, I mean I anticipate playing like we
all we all know the deal here, Like I said, trade request,
we know that's probably not gonna work. We know I'm probably gonna be back.
I love Cincinnati. I'm gonna maketwenty one point eight million dollars.
What are we talking about? Ithink that's kind of the point. Who
knows, But I think he justkind of said what we all already knew
two years ago the Bengals, threeyears ago, the Bengals have all season
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workouts and they have one hundred percentattendance. Zach Taylor talked about it now
not so much. Yeah, Imean we haven't really gotten into the workouts.
Yeah no, But I don't thinkwe also really haven't gotten into much
of the one real on field stuffeither. I mean there's a lot of
there's a lot of not really muchgoing on. Yeah, I mean they're
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here, Yeah, but what arethey doing. They're not really doing much.
I don't know. Yeah, soyou're there. I well, we
don't. There's there's no I meanthere's a practice, there's no there's no
on field thing that's happening right now. Team bonding retreat, stuff like that,
team bonding going to theoretically going toposition group meetings. Maybe I don't
know so, but yeah, Imean that's the type of stuff that is
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happening. But I don't I isit a big deal? I don't.
I don't necessarily think it's it's thatbig of a deal. Yet, I
think once you get into Okay,people are on the field doing stuff together.
I think that's when you want yourone hundred tennis and their actual program,
the official one listed by the NFLdoesn't even start until the almost the
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end of May, so there's theyhaven't even gotten into. This is phase
one. There's always multiple phase,multiple phases. Yeah, it's hard to
keep track sometimes the phases. What'sthe phase where the percentage of people showing
up matters? I don't know.It's called a day one of training camp.
As far as I'm concerned, correct, that's the most important time.
I don't think it shows I don'tthink it's a sign of discord, if
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that's what you're asking. All right, Uh, you know, next week
we have a lot of draft totalk about, but I want to see
what yet we have yet to minewhen it comes to draft topics, are
content in your opinion? Will dothat? I'm going to ask you a
question you asked me yesterday in yourpodcast about your New Heights experience with Joe
Burrow and Travis Kelcey and Jason Kelseyand Orlando Brown at UC last week,
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and perhaps the most important question ofthe off season needs to be asked,
and I will ask it coming upin about twenty minutes. Wow. On
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at least it is for this hour. Paul Danner Junior's here. What's up?
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Any headlines from Bengals local workouts andstuff from the local workouts? Okay,
no, but we were there andI'm sure that was really exciting.
Yeah, it was. Are thereany draft topics or issues that we haven't
spent time on that we need todiscuss before next week, specifically as they
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relate to the Bengals. Yeah,I mean, I feel it feels like
we've kicked over a lot of rocksat this point that there's not too many
left. What have we talked?How much have we talked about in tier?
Offensive line? In center? Okay? Does that feel like something we
haven't done yet so? Or doesthat feel like something that we have done
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but we've forgotten? So in mylittle plan here, yeah, I mean,
I believe it or not. Ido try to plan some stuff out.
It's in the plan. Yeah.So the first question was what's not
yet been discussed about the draft,and then it was odds they draft more
than one lineman? Really good?Really good? I think, you know,
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one of the interesting things. Andand I actually talked to Dan about
this yesterday, so maybe he'll talkwith you about it again. Talk to
him later. Wow. But youknow this is you know, the all
of the love is gonna go tothe offensive tackles. They're they're getting all
the headlined, they're gonna be theones at the top of the draft.
They're gonna get all the the highlights, and you're gonna get Kyper talking over
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all their attributes, but the depthof this draft, the like you can
really do some damage is on theinterior offensive line later and and that could
be an area that would very nicelyfit this team, you know. And
and Dane, you know, Iknow he's even gonna have I'm not gonna
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spoil his mock draft tomorrow for theBengals, but maybe a surprising second round
pick that some people didn't see comingthat is in the interior. And I
don't think that that's out of thequestion. Look, they have to rebuild
inside and outside. I mean,they're you're looking at the oldest position group
on the team by a Yeah,you know, you've got obviously Kris in
the last year of his deal,and no one wants to see Ted Carris
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go. But look, I don'tknow how many of these guys we got
to see that eve until we seewhat the strategy ends up being. No
matter how beloved or or core towhat they are, he can still stick
around him. Sell Hats, Ihave no problem with any of it.
He's trying to play center as faras I'm concerned. But we know what's
happened with players here. So andKappa, you know, he's got two
years left on his deal, buthe's an older player as well. Volson
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two years left. Are they gonnawant to bring him back? You know?
There's the point being like, theydon't really have any backups that you
love exactly, so there's a lotthere to try to need to build the
same way that they still need tobuild a tackle. So it would be
stunning with ten picks if you didn'tcome away with one tackle and one interior
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player. And I think either ofthose could be aggressive swings. We've talked
a lot about how aggressive the tackleswing could be, but I don't I
don't think it would be stunning.I it would be stunning if they did
it in round one. But youcould have somebody like Fatanya, who's a
versatile piece who could play anywhere alongthe line, or some of these guys
that are kind of guards tackles Foggathe same way from Oregon State, who
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could give you a little bit ofboth for now, even if they're your
tackle the future. But I thinkin round two you're talking about a guard
center is in play. That's notimpossible likely. I wouldn't say likely,
but it's certainly not impossible. AndI think at any point in that set
the two thirds, the early fourth. One of those I think would would
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feel right to be an interior offensivelineman and certainly somebody that has potential to
Okay, you get to this pointnext year and you and you can say
they're ready to take over or they'renot. Let's let's extend Ted Carris.
You know, so they have twothrees, right, yeah, so could
you would the least surprising just positionally, would the least surprising outcome through Friday
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be a tackle, an interior lineman, a d tackle, and a wide
receiver, not necessarily in that order. That would probably be what I would
the first four packs the first twodays, that's probably that's probably. I
think the interior offensive lineman is theback is the last of that group,
and and I would have a dBand I'd have a corner in there,
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mm hmm, like along with interioroffensive line is either way you probably see
that going. It's kind of anextra see, but I yeah, I
think that's probably the group. Yeah, it's interesting given that we've talked so
much about the need for a defensivetackle that we're now sliding it lower on
the positional Well, I don't knowif I'm sliding. There's just the likelihood
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of it happening in round one isByron Murphy and right right, I mean
right, I mean yeah, that'sso barring the trade back stuff. I
mean you're talking about he's he's theguy. I mean, he's the guy.
And you know, it's funny,it's we're doing that. We're doing
what happens every draft season right now. Yeah. Yes, we start at
a place yes, way back when, yes, where we were like man
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Byron Murphy or the tackles, rightyeah, and then we end up in
all these different places and maybe isBidron Murphy even good enough? Right?
Well, these tackles, I don'tknow, maybe they should be looking at
something else. And now we're rightback and it's like where we started.
It's like, yeah, I mean, Murphy the tackle. It's what's awesome
about the pre draft process. It'swhat's exhausting about the pre draft process.
You know, it's it's we alwaysit always happens every year where you end
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up right back where you started.You know, you have to tinker around
the fringes and you come right backto like, yeah, it's probably what
I said at the beginning. Now, you know, that's what it does
feel like right now, you knowand and and so they'll be hunting those
positions. I do think I justyou outside Murphy's it's his own conversation,
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but like, God, you justdon't want to be taking chances with Joe
Burrow's health and second and third roundtackles. The drop off and the expectations
are so significant, even if you'retaking guy to develop behind Trent Brown,
like, it's just such a risk. Well that I just I don't I
don't like it for anybody but Murphy. Basic you said something on the podcast
(26:48):
that you had me on two weeksago that I have taken and run with,
which is, if you want toeventually build an elite offensive line,
that's only going to happen if youstart nailing it in the draft, and
your odds of nailing in the draftper position increase the earlier you go.
Yeah, right, if the approchensiveline, especially so because there's just only
so many guys that have everything youwant and that's a hard position. Yeah,
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look at all the money they havespent their offensive line and you got
to eat a year of them notbeing very good at it. Yeah,
Look, there even the best ofthe best usually year one. Yikes,
you're just hoping to get average atbest and then that they're really good by
year two. The Bengals set themselvesup nicely, but like that's how you
got to be able to do it. You have to do it for the
draft or else you're in crazy placeshaving to spend amount of money you don't
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want to spend in losing your value. All Right, the most important question
of the off season is coming upnext. He's Paul Danner Junior at the
Athletic dot Com, The Growler Podcast, and on Twitter on x at Paul
Danner Jr. I can't wait tofind this out. This is two times
you've teased this and I still don'tknow. You won't even tell me during
the break. No, I justleave the room during the break. Let
(27:55):
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Now here's Moegger with a name youneed to know. With Tyler Boyd
hitting free agency, the Bengals coulduse this year's draft to find a replacement
in the slot. One player whocould fill that role as Michigan wide out
Roman Wilson. Wilson led last year'sNational champions in receiving, and he was
a second team All Big Ten playerfor the Wolverines. Wilson is a sure
(28:42):
handed pass catcher. He only hadone drop in sixty seven targets last season,
and he could be explosive with morethan a third of his catches going
for more than twenty yards. Healso had twelve touchdown receptions last season.
He does have what scouts call asmallish frame, and given that he played
almost in entirely in the slot incollege, there's likely a limit as to
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how he can be used. Still, Wilson has a combination of speed and
reliability with his hands that make himan intriguing prospect. Keep an eye on
Michigan wide receiver Roman Wilson has morelistening for the next player profile on ESPN
fifteen thirty, the official home ofthe Bengals. They're more identity threads,
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A ten away from four, anotherfew minutes with our friend Paul Danner Junior,
Theathletic dot Com and The Growler Podcast, a few more items. I'm
not on the edge of my seatright now. I'm the meme where you
sit up now that we're back,after you've teased this question twice and I
still don't know. Please, theNational Football League is allowing teams to have
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a third helmet. Well, theBengals have a third helmet, this was
the question. And what will itlook like? Let me tell you something.
I know my audience, all right, it's just fair, I know
me. Okay, we could spendanother eight eight minutes on could they take
a center in round six? Orwho's the punter that might challenge Brad Robbins
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or something that I think is farmore interesting. Third helmet? Fair?
Are they getting one? I doyou want them to get one? I
do me too. Yeah, Ithink there's no question what they should be
doing here. Though, here's thething I don't like. I don't like
the oh switch, the stripe color, the stripes on they see any like,
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you know, special helmet with likeFiona on the front, the over
field. Please, I have alot of fuel. It takes that I'm
gonna save because I can go onetoo. I don't want I don't want
to do that. Here how she'sa lovely hippo. I will say this.
You gotta do the throwback to thesixties, like sixty seventy, the
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early the early jersey. You gottahave the orange helmet with the bays script
and the brown with the orange stripeon the show like you Ken Anderson jerseys,
right, Like, yes, that, but don't do the helmet that.
You're not gonna do anything with thehelmet unless it's connected to a full
throwback situation with that. And that'swhat that's what you need. That's what's
the only thing that's missing from theirtheir portfolio of jerseys and helmets, so
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to speak, is an ode tothe early days. Like and let's get
Zach Taylor with the Paul Brown doorthing rocking, you know what I mean,
Like, let's go, let's goall the way in. Okay,
So I'm kind of with you.Here's what I want. You want something?
What I want? That original logo, that original Bengals logo. Yes
on a white helmet one side,a big orange stripe down the middle and
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the other side jersey number. Iam a sucker for helmets that have numbers
on them. The logo with thelike tiger running with that helmet popping it
kind of looks like he's drunk.Yes, I love that logo, really,
yes, i'd that's what I want. Awful and that logo is is
awesome. Why is he? Whyis he running? Why is he wearing
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a helmet? Why is it poppingoff? Why didn't strap it on?
Better football? Tiger? He shouldn'tbe but he is. And wait,
there's way too much happening. There'sway too much intricate action in that logo.
You know, it's better Bengals.Bengals is born at in the seventies,
so why should And if you're lookingat it from a distance, they
look like the Browns. If you'relooking at from a distance, you don't
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even know what you're looking at.On the other logo, it's is that
a helmet popping off of a helmet? How meta is this? I think?
Well, the Miami Dolphins used tohave a dolphin with a helmet on
it. It was stupid too,it was awesome. Those helmets were cool
as hell. The dolphin me whitehelmet. Okay, orange stripe down the
middle, no black on it.Not opposed to black, but we do
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black too much. They give methe original on one side and a jersey
number on the other side, andI'll buy that helmet. And what's the
jersey that goes with this helmet?Come up with it? I don't know,
come up with it. Come upwith it. No, say this
is no. Don't when you designa helmet, I can't design a jersey.
Well, you need to think ofthe big picture. You can't just
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think of one item. Okay,this all needs to coordinate. Okay,
just give me a variation of theorange jersey they have now that is maybe
a little bit vintage. I don'tcare. I just want the white helmet,
the old tiger and the big orangestripe with the number on the side.
The old Tiger's the worst. Ilook, there's cool as Now your
better in football than number on thehelmet. I I don't have a problem
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with number on the helmet, that'sfine. Why can't you have Bengals on
one side number a helmet on theother. Why can't you have the Tigers?
It's stupid? Okay, because thehelmet popping off of the Tigers.
How many other teams have a helmetwhere it just says name of the team
Jets. You want to be likethe Jets? No, okay, who
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else? Is not about It's notabout being like other teams? Part of
your history? No kidding, Butdangles on the jersey. It's already there.
How the other team to have ananimal with a helmet popping off of
it? Uh? Probably none?But that logo is that logo is cool?
I find another way to use thelogo, Make it big, put
it on midfield. How about thatthat that's what you want, that's with
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the new field. I'd be finewith that at least see what it is,
even though I don't. I justdon't want that silly putty taty.
The leaping Tiger. Yes, Idon't want to leap Tigers. Terrible Leaping
Tigers are old Bengals Tigers. There'ssuch a ground swell for the leaping Tiger
either. There does seem to bea lot of that out there that people
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really like it, and I justI've I never really have felt like it's
something worth replicating again. But thatsaid, there's an entire decade of this
team's history at the very beginning,by the way, that has just been
forgotten. Okay, that had alot of good players to play there in
those jerseys, in that helmet.So this is a chance to bring that
back. That's the answer. Notentirely opposed. But I've I've I've driven
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this, I've driven this train nowfor a while off the rails. I
want my white helmet. You askedme for my thoughts on being at the
New Heights podcast, but you hadto go there and cover it in case
Joe Burrow said something interesting. Doyou think he did? No, the
built to beat the Chiefs thing is, is that what we're debating. They
are? They are, yes,they are. They purposely built themselves to
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beat the Ravens and the Chiefs becausethey have seen the direction that Lamar and
Patrick Mahomes were taking things, andthey did that. In fact, they've
done that on the way through theplayoffs couple of times and through the division
and so that's yeah. I don'tthink that that is I thought that was
an honest statement and not a shot, not at all. Everyone should be
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building their teams to beat the Chiefs. By the way, Yes, maybe
somebody in the afcust should consider itbecause they're not doing it. Yeah,
you should be trying to build yourteam to beat the Chiefs because you're not
winning anything unless you go through PatrickMahomes. So yeah, I don't think
that should be controversial. It's tobe controversial when a team is not doing
that. Did you have fun atthe podcast? It was. It was
(36:06):
a fun atmosphere in a lot ofways. It was kind of like if
you went to a basketball game andno basketball happened. It was like midnight
madness. Yeah, exactly exactly whereit was fun. Everyone was there to
have a good time, and youknow, they played the songs and everybody
likes and everybody was dancing and seemedto be pretty happy and enjoying themselves,
especially the people participating. And JoeBurrow came out and everyone yelled and high
(36:29):
pitched voices and screamed, and theywere very happy about that too. So
I'm glad everyone had a good time. It's fun to do something different.
How'd you guys do with your baseballcoaching debut? W you know a forfeit?
You out man? Look, gettingthe players to the field for the
first game is the hardest part ofthe season, probably, right, and
(36:50):
we successfully completed that task and theother team couldn't do it. It's not
any against other team sures, it'sjust it happens, right, But I
am gonna personally feel good about that. Your lovely wife posted a photo of
you and your daughter. Yeah,Jersey, Yeah, did you have a
full uniform? No, it's it'sit's just a They give you a shirt
and a hat. I just I'veseen little league coaches, little League dads
(37:14):
were the pants. Trust me,there was. Everybody had a bag,
so they're all bagged up, andso I picked, you know, they
give you up. I went andI opened the bag and I said,
please no pants, please, nopants, please, no pants. And
because I just and there weren't justshorts, T shirt, hat, perfect
standard as it should be, standardoperating procedure. Okay, you know what,
(37:37):
first grade girls aren't big fans ofbaseball pants. They don't feel good,
they don't look good, like,nothing about it like, So maybe
we need some advancements in the firstgrade base But I'm a baseball pants like,
I don't mind them. When Iwas a kid, I liked wearing
especially with stirrup, no question.But yeah, no, not not the
(38:00):
case. Not the case for mydaughter, but had a great time regardless,
you know, so, I mean, yeah, yeah, I guess
what's what the they tell us?They tell us to send in whether you
want or lost to somebody. SoI we so I do that. I
don't what does that person do withthat information? I assume they're standings.
I don't know. I hope not. I'm just relaying information, Okay,
(38:25):
I'm the guy with the big bag. Yeah, okay, that just trying
to make sure everybody knows where we'resupposed to be playing. Very good,
all right. I know you havea busy next nine days plus in front
of it. Yeah, so lookingforward to it. Next great, next
Tuesday, the pre draft spectacular.How's that gonna be different than what we've
been doing. I don't know.You're gonna have all new things written down.
Yeah, I'll have another angle onthe helmets. Yeah. I can't
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wait. I can't wait to seewhat the next thing could be. When
does the Dane Burglar podcast come out? Tomorrow? All Trenches, All the
Time, myself, Jay, Dane, Nate Tice all in tomorrow's episode of
PD ANDJ. Get that where youget your podcasts? Read Paulvieathletic dot Com
and uh, we'll talk to younext week. Looking forward to it.
Paul Dayner Junior as we get setfor the draft a week from Thursday,
(39:15):
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three. Frankie Montas was terrible lastnight. Ellie Deevila Cruz at Shortstop was
not. We'll get to that next. It's four o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty
Sports Up. I'm Christine Leaci.When the Bucks open up their first round
(39:40):
NBA Playoff series against the Pacers Sunday, Janis Antetokoupo will likely be a spectator.
According to ESPN's Adrian Morjanowski, Milwaukee'spreparing to be without the two time
league MVP for the start of theseries. They hope treatment on his CAS
strain allows him to return at somepoint in the series. Lakers power forward
Anthony Davis question against the Pelagans tonightthe West seven eight to seven play in
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matchup, predicts ESPNS Andrea Carter.First one's in Sacramento, Second one.
Sacramento is going to be fired upfrom what happened last season when the Warriors
knocked them out of the playoffs.And then, if you think about it,
this has been a close game.The last three times these teams have
(40:22):
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This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thankyou for listening. Thrilled that you're here.
Hopefully you're having an unbelievable Tuesday afternoon. I could not be more flustered.
(00:23):
Paul Danner Junior's here. We're talkingabout is uh? Is it not
whole? Is it little league?Is it? What is it called league?
It's a little league, O Kelly, very good little league coaching experience.
I'm sending tweets. We're working onall sorts of stuff in the studio,
but we're now we're gonna do aradio show. I hope I didn't
fluster you, not at all.So you provided a calming influence. Yeah,
(00:45):
that's that's what That's usually what happened, which I appreciated and badly needed.
It's it's good to have Paul here. We were busy today. Frankie
Montass was terrible last night. We'regoing to discuss that in the four o'clock
hour. Ellie de la Cruz madea great play at shortstop last night.
I can't help but wonder something we'regonna give away more Aerosmith tickets. We
have another game to play. Atfour thirty three. I'll give you,
(01:07):
I'll give you like ninety minutes tobone up on your knowledge of Red's manager
David Bell. This is gonna beno your David Bell at four thirty three
and also the author of The Beast, Dave Brugler. It's it's a double
athletic day. Wow. Dane's gonnajoin us at five thirty three because he
wrote a three hundred and twenty threepage draft guide and so we're going to
(01:27):
talk about the draft both this yearand the one two years ago with Dane
in about two and a half hours. We have a show preview video I
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(01:49):
thrice weekly podcast. Yes you likethat. Yeah, it's thrice. I
mean it's a little much, butit's fine. He does a podcast three
days a week. Hey goo,Yeah, and it's good. Yeah,
that's day. And Dane will beon tomorrow's WOWW show. I interviewed him
yesterday and using it for our trenches, all trenches, all the time.
This is I mean, this isjust a Bengals fans love the trench.
(02:13):
Trenches. So we did wide Receivers, Past Catchers Bowers talk last week,
exhausted that topic beyond belief, andso now we're going to exhaust one last
exhaustive shot at the trenches topic,which is obviously we've already done in many
different sure permutations, but this iskind of the final deep dive. The
draft is in nine days. Youand I have another Tuesday next week,
(02:36):
which which means the the Mow andPaul Draft preview. I just came up
with that. Yeah that sounds good. Yeah, but that'll be as good
as any of the other ones.I mean, this is the Moega Radio
show. Yeah, yeah, we'reone of those shows if you go around
the country. I'm sure you've beenon some of those shows where it's like
the Zone and the Fan the clubhouse. We've yet to come up with a
fun name beyond the Jippy and Jojoin the morning, right, Yeah,
(02:59):
we haven't. Well, no,we're not going there, just sticking I
think sticking with I think it's bestto be clear about what you are.
Yeah, you know, I agreethe Moega radio show, and you never
come away from that wondering what's aboutto happen. Actually, I think most
of the time when you turn iton, you have I have no idea
what's about to happen. So wehave some draft stuff that I do want
to get to. But but yesterday, the guys were back, the players
(03:21):
were back. You had a chanceto interview some of the guys, spend
some time with him, get himin a scrum, get him in a
one on one setting if you could. Did anybody say anything interesting yesterday?
I mean, I think Dax Hillis the most interesting storyline to come out
of yesterday, but more so ofthe course of the entire offseason. It
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was sort of the latest round ofwhat exactly is happening here? You know,
It's like he was looking forward tofinding out what his role would be.
Zach Taylor sort of said, yeah, I mean, I think we've
all got a pretty good feel forwhat's happening. Nobody seems having any interest
and telling us what exactly that is. And that's fine because I don't think
(04:03):
they know. Because I think that'sjust Look, the whole picture isn't together
yet. I mean, the draftstill has to happen, and then there's
potential for post free agency and thensee where all the pieces fit together,
and then we can be a littlemore public and with the plan. I
(04:23):
think they have a B and Cright and how they want it to go.
But you know, it depends onwhat the personnel groupings look like.
Because when you have somebody who isas versatile as the Axis, who can
do a number of different things,figuring out how to deploy him in a
lot of ways does depend on whatthe other things that the other guys can
do or you know, are herefor you. And I spent some time
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on your podcast yesterday talking about Daxand then was thinking about him in the
aftermath of that. I'm actually prettyoptimistic that this is going to work.
I have a versatile player with Ithink pretty obvious athletic traits. He should
be motivated. There's some quality playersin the secondary, and he works for
a very good defensive coordinator. Idon't know what the role is going to
(05:11):
be or what it's going to looklike at the outset of the season,
but I have a general feeling,and you could throw cold water over this
if you want. I think thisis gonna work out. I don't know
how, but I'm moderately optimistic thatthis is gonna work. I don't have
a problem with whatever the plan isgoing to be, like whatever, I'm
(05:33):
I'm sure. My problem is Ireally thought you couldn't have set it up
better to work out than last year, right, and it did not work
out well? So is this awas that a situational thing? Was that?
Look, the projection to safety wasthe wrong projection and they're pivoting now
to find something that will put thisguy into the role that really does fit
(05:55):
him and he's gonna take off.Was it a thing of Look, it
was just his first year starting.The excuses start to pile up for a
little too fast. You told memonths ago you're out on dax Hills.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, theyThe excuses have piled up from I'm buying
a stock when it's cheap. That'sfine, that's and that's fine. I'm
not I'm not saying that there isn'tstill look, plenty of chances for it
(06:20):
to work, but there is noreal spot for it to work right now.
I mean that's that's just the bottomline and where it's whatever the plan
ends up being, it's not Hey, Dax Hill is starting day one right,
that's not happening. There's nowhere forit to go unless he can win
a job. The only job thatappears open would be outside corner because as
long as Mike Hilton this year,so I don't really know where that's going
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to be. And I I likewhat he said in that. I like
that he said, Look, Ihad to reflect, I had to be
better. I have to realize thatI got to be better this year and
that it's an important year and Igot to make a leap and and all
I have to do is he couldhave showed up. And I feel like
there was some young complaining that firstyear rookies go through this all the time.
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They're not playing as much as theywant, it's not going exactly how
they hope it will be. Thereuse to be in the man, it's
hard. It's hard. We seethis happen every year, specifically with first
round picks, so this is notbut Dax particularly had a frustrating experience because
he didn't really get to play hardyat all and felt like he was only
doing things that he wasn't supposed tobe there to do, and there was
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some kind of to his experience.And last year it was better, but
then you had the play on thefield didn't quite work out. It felt
yesterday like you're not gonna hear complainingfrom me? Was his message. What's
your best role, Dax? Mybest role is whatever they tell me to
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do. I want to be greatat whatever they want me to do,
and I need to be better.All of that is exactly what you want
him to say. And that's allhe can do right now is show up
and say the right things. Andso I think that is a step in
the right direction. I do thinkthat that's good. I don't know that
that necessarily means that it's gonna workout for Dax. I think everybody hopes
it does. That dude has tonsof talent, right Like, there's no
(08:05):
reason that it can. But that'swhat I default to. Like yesterday,
and we talked about this yesterday,I got good attitude. I didn't know
right I didn't he could show upin sulk and mope and not be accountable
to a guy people business. Theybrought in two people he could complain about
it. He can send cryptic tweets, or he could say, you know
what, I'm gonna show up andwork and do what they say and carve
out a role on this team thatmakes me useful. Now you might have
(08:28):
said when they drafted him, wewere looking for more than just useful.
But okay, I can't go backin time. All I can do is
take what happened last year and no, that's not good enough. They had
to address it. They did infree agency in spades. Okay, So
it's up to Dax to have agood attitude. If we start there,
he's going to work for a verygood defensive coordinator. He has physical attributes
and there are some guys he canlearn from if at some point he's going
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to be a safety. And Istill feel like in the short term there's
there has to be a role ifhe's if he's versatile enough and good enough,
lou and Aromo's not going to finda place for him to help this
team. And so that's why Ifeel like, because of what I heard
yesterday and what I know about him, that there's a decent chance this works.
And there is still so much ofthe look this is a young defensive
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back, and we've seen across theleak guys that struggle early in their career,
particularly in their first year starting,and then figure it out and have
their breakout year. That if thathappened next year, no one would sit
here and say that's stunning. Imean that happens all the time, sure,
And so it's not that it's notpossible. It's just that, you
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know, I think you have tocome into it and wonder because of what
happened last year. Now, becausenow we have that full year where it
just didn't connect correctly, and youhope that for their sake that it will.
I am positive that a plan willbe apparent once we get through the
draft. I just don't think thatyou could ever say that what the plan
(09:56):
is until you know what happens inthe draft, because you know what could
happen. They could take a cornerat eighteen, They could you know,
find maybe somebody they didn't think wasgoing to be there at eighteen or at
forty nine is sitting there. Let'ssay it's Mike Sanders, drill from from
Michigan. Let's say they take himand he's he's he's basically Mike, a
young Mike Hilton, right, andhe sits there and well, well Ax
is going to come in now andbe the other backup slot. But you
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got to move him outside or yougot to figure out way for him to
be part of the safety room.Again. All of that stuff is to
be worked out depending on what happensnext. And I think that's the whole
point, even though, like,can I just get a hint? Can
you give me a hint? Canwe just be a little more open about
it? Like, but I getit, they don't need you to,
but I just from very selfishly,i'd love to know. Sure, But
(10:39):
like I mean, you could youcould sort of go a process of elimination,
like, oh, you know,I can say what he's not going
to be doing? Yeah? Right, No, I think I think I
think we know, and I thinkthere's enough whispers about what it is.
It's just I don't know. Itstill has a it still has a little
bit of something up my sleeve toit that makes me wonder, that's all.
(11:00):
And this is not this is thatstrictly speculative just gut stuff. From
being around the team long enough,there's still feel I still feel like there's
a something trade them. I didn'tsay that I have said that. I'm
not saying that. I'm just sayingit just for that's kind of a natural
place to go, right, Yeah, Instantly, if a guy who other
(11:22):
teams had to have had a prettygood grade on a couple of years ago
and suddenly he has he's potentially beingsqueezed out of a role, how do
you not advance to the conversation toOkay, could the Bengals get something for
him? You're selling low, you'reselling low. But yeah, but you
know, I mean if a team, if a team needed let's say they
said they always thought of him asa slot corner. Let's say Harbaugh,
(11:46):
you know what I mean, Like, know the guy, know what he
can do, feel like he couldplay for you. Yeah, that'd be
something you're taking. I'm not sayingthat, I'm just saying it's it's it's
Spidey sense stuff. It's just likewhen something feels like it's not connecting,
you wonder what else is happening?Uh, and and so who knows,
but we'll we'll find out soon enough. Totally. I can't wait. Yeah,
I can't really sure he's he heis one of the most interesting people
(12:11):
on the team. Yeah, heis being facetious. No, No,
I felt like that was like,yeah, I can't wait. No,
once the draft comes and goes,we're gonna do t Higgins talk for four
months, Okay, like of stuffthat can happen this summer. Finding out
what Dax Hill's role is is onthe on the short list of interesting things.
I just wanted to know who hisposition coaches? Tell me what?
(12:35):
What like? So when you guysgo into you know, meetings today,
right and everybody goes the quarterbacks goover there there with Brad Kragthorpe and we've
got Troy Walters with receivers. WhatWho's who's at the front of the room
in Dax Hills? Is that theis it the cornerbacks coach? Is that?
Is that? Jordan Kovacs now safets? So maybe next week, maybe
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he's exclusively next week bought him DaxHills Amazing adventure eighteen after three o'clock Paul
Danner Junior covering the Bengals and somuch more for the Athletic dot Com.
He's here told four, we're here, toll six. We have so much
ground to cover. My name isMullegar. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
Sports Day, three o'clock. Thisis ESPN fifteen thirty on mullegor Paul Danner
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Juniors. Here. By the way, I did his podcast yesterday, the
Growler Podcast. If you watch iton YouTube, you can see how good
I am at handling a cough button. Yeah, that's right, near death
experience for you yesterday. That wasflawless on air. Never would have known.
I mean, that was some expertskill. Yeah. Yeah, that's
you know, that's what you want. You know, that's why they that's
(13:45):
why you have the YouTube involved.You know, you have a cough button,
so you have a cough you canwatch your favorites nearly pass out right
almost did that yesterday. Today theBengals had their their version of Fantasy Cam
where they have all the the localplayers come and pretend they're Bengals for a
day. Is that that sort ofthe best way to characterize, and it's
kind of the best way to characterize. It's not a cavalcade stars, but
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there were I mean, there werea few guys that will get drafted or
be you know, preferred free agents, and that has been I mean,
Ivan Pace was there last year.It would have been nice to have him
worked out. Yeah, so yeah, you I mean Sewan Briggs. I
mean he was kind of the maybethe star of the show kind of deal.
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I mean he certainly he looked looksthe part and uh, you know,
is a good dude at a positionof need and seems like somebody they
could adventure. But yeah, there'snot you know, there's not a ton
of uh you know, top draftedpeople there. But you know that's something
they do every year, and therewe are. Does that take place around
the NFL? Does every NFL teamdo that? Every team does that?
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So you have certain teams and regionsthat obviously your region, but like there's
certain schools. So there used tobe a deal where the Bengals wouldn't get
Ohio State like they go to Clevelandor whatever. It's like, that's ridiculous.
What are we doing? Yeah,what are we doing? Like we
should that's a big we We wouldlike to be able to bring those guys
in for free. Doesn't count asa thirty visit used to local protests,
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so you can get extra people inthat way. Theoretically. Some years there's
bigger name that Alex Pearce has beenthere. I remember Paris Campbell came out,
I mean, Preston Brown. Overthe years, you have guys.
A lot of times those guys don'twork out, which was the case today
Steel Chambers. Yeah. Uh wasthere just a badass name? Yeah,
it really is. And so hehad jeans and boots on. He wasn't
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there to work out, No,no, no, but he looked pretty
sweet. But do they do itlike so they have players from UC and
Miami? Yeah? Right, yeah? Or local high schools? Yeah?
Does every And I'm genuinely asking herefor no other reason that I think it's
cool that they do it. Doother teams do players who went to area
high school Yeah, and then foundthemselves in college. That's your group that
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you can pull from. So youcan pull from local high schools, you
can pull from local colleges anyway tojust kind of it was obviously much more
prominent back in the day, butnow you know, still still think that
goes on the t Higgins said onSunday at a at a camp that he
anticipates playing for the Bengals. Didyou feel like then announcing that you anticipate
writing about the Bengals In case anybody'swondering, it's about the same amount of
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surprise and intrigue. Yeah, Imean, it's it was. It was
a thing where and I had JoeDanemon, who was the one that that
asked her up to the camp onthe Dean's TV Sports question, and uh
pointed out that right after that questionthat got shut down because there was a
look, no questions about anything otherthan the camp. Oh, come on,
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we're gonna talk about how long arewe gonna ask about campers? Okay,
appreciate their attendance, but I knewthat was coming, so it was
waiting. But and after that,so I don't I don't think he was
if he was surprised. I don'tknow if he was surprised, but I
think he he couldn't kind of helpjust be in his own honest, kind
of genuinely good self, Like that'sjust kind of who he is at his
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core. We'll see. But yeah, I mean I anticipate playing like we
all we all know the deal here, Like I said, trade request,
we know that's probably not gonna work. We know I'm probably gonna be back.
I love Cincinnati. I'm gonna maketwenty one point eight million dollars.
What are we talking about? Ithink that's kind of the point. Who
knows, But I think he justkind of said what we all already knew
two years ago the Bengals, threeyears ago, the Bengals have all season
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workouts and they have one hundred percentattendance. Zach Taylor talked about it now
not so much. Yeah, Imean we haven't really gotten into the workouts.
Yeah no, But I don't thinkwe also really haven't gotten into much
of the one real on field stuffeither. I mean there's a lot of
there's a lot of not really muchgoing on. Yeah, I mean they're
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here, Yeah, but what arethey doing. They're not really doing much.
I don't know. Yeah, soyou're there. I well, we
don't. There's there's no I meanthere's a practice, there's no there's no
on field thing that's happening right now. Team bonding retreat, stuff like that,
team bonding going to theoretically going toposition group meetings. Maybe I don't
know so, but yeah, Imean that's the type of stuff that is
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happening. But I don't I isit a big deal? I don't.
I don't necessarily think it's it's thatbig of a deal. Yet, I
think once you get into Okay,people are on the field doing stuff together.
I think that's when you want yourone hundred tennis and their actual program,
the official one listed by the NFLdoesn't even start until the almost the
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end of May, so there's theyhaven't even gotten into. This is phase
one. There's always multiple phase,multiple phases. Yeah, it's hard to
keep track sometimes the phases. What'sthe phase where the percentage of people showing
up matters? I don't know.It's called a day one of training camp.
As far as I'm concerned, correct, that's the most important time.
I don't think it shows I don'tthink it's a sign of discord, if
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that's what you're asking. All right, Uh, you know, next week
we have a lot of draft totalk about, but I want to see
what yet we have yet to minewhen it comes to draft topics, are
content in your opinion? Will dothat? I'm going to ask you a
question you asked me yesterday in yourpodcast about your New Heights experience with Joe
Burrow and Travis Kelcey and Jason Kelseyand Orlando Brown at UC last week,
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and perhaps the most important question ofthe off season needs to be asked,
and I will ask it coming upin about twenty minutes. Wow. On
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at least it is for this hour. Paul Danner Junior's here. What's up?
(20:15):
Any headlines from Bengals local workouts andstuff from the local workouts? Okay,
no, but we were there andI'm sure that was really exciting.
Yeah, it was. Are thereany draft topics or issues that we haven't
spent time on that we need todiscuss before next week, specifically as they
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relate to the Bengals. Yeah,I mean, I feel it feels like
we've kicked over a lot of rocksat this point that there's not too many
left. What have we talked?How much have we talked about in tier?
Offensive line? In center? Okay? Does that feel like something we
haven't done yet so? Or doesthat feel like something that we have done
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but we've forgotten? So in mylittle plan here, yeah, I mean,
I believe it or not. Ido try to plan some stuff out.
It's in the plan. Yeah.So the first question was what's not
yet been discussed about the draft,and then it was odds they draft more
than one lineman? Really good?Really good? I think, you know,
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one of the interesting things. Andand I actually talked to Dan about
this yesterday, so maybe he'll talkwith you about it again. Talk to
him later. Wow. But youknow this is you know, the all
of the love is gonna go tothe offensive tackles. They're they're getting all
the headlined, they're gonna be theones at the top of the draft.
They're gonna get all the the highlights, and you're gonna get Kyper talking over
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all their attributes, but the depthof this draft, the like you can
really do some damage is on theinterior offensive line later and and that could
be an area that would very nicelyfit this team, you know. And
and Dane, you know, Iknow he's even gonna have I'm not gonna
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spoil his mock draft tomorrow for theBengals, but maybe a surprising second round
pick that some people didn't see comingthat is in the interior. And I
don't think that that's out of thequestion. Look, they have to rebuild
inside and outside. I mean,they're you're looking at the oldest position group
on the team by a Yeah,you know, you've got obviously Kris in
the last year of his deal,and no one wants to see Ted Carris
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go. But look, I don'tknow how many of these guys we got
to see that eve until we seewhat the strategy ends up being. No
matter how beloved or or core towhat they are, he can still stick
around him. Sell Hats, Ihave no problem with any of it.
He's trying to play center as faras I'm concerned. But we know what's
happened with players here. So andKappa, you know, he's got two
years left on his deal, buthe's an older player as well. Volson
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two years left. Are they gonnawant to bring him back? You know?
There's the point being like, theydon't really have any backups that you
love exactly, so there's a lotthere to try to need to build the
same way that they still need tobuild a tackle. So it would be
stunning with ten picks if you didn'tcome away with one tackle and one interior
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player. And I think either ofthose could be aggressive swings. We've talked
a lot about how aggressive the tackleswing could be, but I don't I
don't think it would be stunning.I it would be stunning if they did
it in round one. But youcould have somebody like Fatanya, who's a
versatile piece who could play anywhere alongthe line, or some of these guys
that are kind of guards tackles Foggathe same way from Oregon State, who
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could give you a little bit ofboth for now, even if they're your
tackle the future. But I thinkin round two you're talking about a guard
center is in play. That's notimpossible likely. I wouldn't say likely,
but it's certainly not impossible. AndI think at any point in that set
the two thirds, the early fourth. One of those I think would would
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feel right to be an interior offensivelineman and certainly somebody that has potential to
Okay, you get to this pointnext year and you and you can say
they're ready to take over or they'renot. Let's let's extend Ted Carris.
You know, so they have twothrees, right, yeah, so could
you would the least surprising just positionally, would the least surprising outcome through Friday
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be a tackle, an interior lineman, a d tackle, and a wide
receiver, not necessarily in that order. That would probably be what I would
the first four packs the first twodays, that's probably that's probably. I
think the interior offensive lineman is theback is the last of that group,
and and I would have a dBand I'd have a corner in there,
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mm hmm, like along with interioroffensive line is either way you probably see
that going. It's kind of anextra see, but I yeah, I
think that's probably the group. Yeah, it's interesting given that we've talked so
much about the need for a defensivetackle that we're now sliding it lower on
the positional Well, I don't knowif I'm sliding. There's just the likelihood
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of it happening in round one isByron Murphy and right right, I mean
right, I mean yeah, that'sso barring the trade back stuff. I
mean you're talking about he's he's theguy. I mean, he's the guy.
And you know, it's funny,it's we're doing that. We're doing
what happens every draft season right now. Yeah. Yes, we start at
a place yes, way back when, yes, where we were like man
(25:37):
Byron Murphy or the tackles, rightyeah, and then we end up in
all these different places and maybe isBidron Murphy even good enough? Right?
Well, these tackles, I don'tknow, maybe they should be looking at
something else. And now we're rightback and it's like where we started.
It's like, yeah, I mean, Murphy the tackle. It's what's awesome
about the pre draft process. It'swhat's exhausting about the pre draft process.
You know, it's it's we alwaysit always happens every year where you end
(25:59):
up right back where you started.You know, you have to tinker around
the fringes and you come right backto like, yeah, it's probably what
I said at the beginning. Now, you know, that's what it does
feel like right now, you knowand and and so they'll be hunting those
positions. I do think I justyou outside Murphy's it's his own conversation,
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but like, God, you justdon't want to be taking chances with Joe
Burrow's health and second and third roundtackles. The drop off and the expectations
are so significant, even if you'retaking guy to develop behind Trent Brown,
like, it's just such a risk. Well that I just I don't I
don't like it for anybody but Murphy. Basic you said something on the podcast
(26:48):
that you had me on two weeksago that I have taken and run with,
which is, if you want toeventually build an elite offensive line,
that's only going to happen if youstart nailing it in the draft, and
your odds of nailing in the draftper position increase the earlier you go.
Yeah, right, if the approchensiveline, especially so because there's just only
so many guys that have everything youwant and that's a hard position. Yeah,
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look at all the money they havespent their offensive line and you got
to eat a year of them notbeing very good at it. Yeah,
Look, there even the best ofthe best usually year one. Yikes,
you're just hoping to get average atbest and then that they're really good by
year two. The Bengals set themselvesup nicely, but like that's how you
got to be able to do it. You have to do it for the
draft or else you're in crazy placeshaving to spend amount of money you don't
(27:34):
want to spend in losing your value. All Right, the most important question
of the off season is coming upnext. He's Paul Danner Junior at the
Athletic dot Com, The Growler Podcast, and on Twitter on x at Paul
Danner Jr. I can't wait tofind this out. This is two times
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the break. No, I justleave the room during the break. Let
(27:55):
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Now here's Moegger with a name youneed to know. With Tyler Boyd
hitting free agency, the Bengals coulduse this year's draft to find a replacement
in the slot. One player whocould fill that role as Michigan wide out
Roman Wilson. Wilson led last year'sNational champions in receiving, and he was
a second team All Big Ten playerfor the Wolverines. Wilson is a sure
(28:42):
handed pass catcher. He only hadone drop in sixty seven targets last season,
and he could be explosive with morethan a third of his catches going
for more than twenty yards. Healso had twelve touchdown receptions last season.
He does have what scouts call asmallish frame, and given that he played
almost in entirely in the slot incollege, there's likely a limit as to
(29:03):
how he can be used. Still, Wilson has a combination of speed and
reliability with his hands that make himan intriguing prospect. Keep an eye on
Michigan wide receiver Roman Wilson has morelistening for the next player profile on ESPN
fifteen thirty, the official home ofthe Bengals. They're more identity threads,
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A ten away from four, anotherfew minutes with our friend Paul Danner Junior,
Theathletic dot Com and The Growler Podcast, a few more items. I'm
not on the edge of my seatright now. I'm the meme where you
sit up now that we're back,after you've teased this question twice and I
still don't know. Please, theNational Football League is allowing teams to have
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a third helmet. Well, theBengals have a third helmet, this was
the question. And what will itlook like? Let me tell you something.
I know my audience, all right, it's just fair, I know
me. Okay, we could spendanother eight eight minutes on could they take
a center in round six? Orwho's the punter that might challenge Brad Robbins
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or something that I think is farmore interesting. Third helmet? Fair?
Are they getting one? I doyou want them to get one? I
do me too. Yeah, Ithink there's no question what they should be
doing here. Though, here's thething I don't like. I don't like
the oh switch, the stripe color, the stripes on they see any like,
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you know, special helmet with likeFiona on the front, the over
field. Please, I have alot of fuel. It takes that I'm
gonna save because I can go onetoo. I don't want I don't want
to do that. Here how she'sa lovely hippo. I will say this.
You gotta do the throwback to thesixties, like sixty seventy, the
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early the early jersey. You gottahave the orange helmet with the bays script
and the brown with the orange stripeon the show like you Ken Anderson jerseys,
right, Like, yes, that, but don't do the helmet that.
You're not gonna do anything with thehelmet unless it's connected to a full
throwback situation with that. And that'swhat that's what you need. That's what's
the only thing that's missing from theirtheir portfolio of jerseys and helmets, so
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to speak, is an ode tothe early days. Like and let's get
Zach Taylor with the Paul Brown doorthing rocking, you know what I mean,
Like, let's go, let's goall the way in. Okay,
So I'm kind of with you.Here's what I want. You want something?
What I want? That original logo, that original Bengals logo. Yes
on a white helmet one side,a big orange stripe down the middle and
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the other side jersey number. Iam a sucker for helmets that have numbers
on them. The logo with thelike tiger running with that helmet popping it
kind of looks like he's drunk.Yes, I love that logo, really,
yes, i'd that's what I want. Awful and that logo is is
awesome. Why is he? Whyis he running? Why is he wearing
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a helmet? Why is it poppingoff? Why didn't strap it on?
Better football? Tiger? He shouldn'tbe but he is. And wait,
there's way too much happening. There'sway too much intricate action in that logo.
You know, it's better Bengals.Bengals is born at in the seventies,
so why should And if you're lookingat it from a distance, they
look like the Browns. If you'relooking at from a distance, you don't
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even know what you're looking at.On the other logo, it's is that
a helmet popping off of a helmet? How meta is this? I think?
Well, the Miami Dolphins used tohave a dolphin with a helmet on
it. It was stupid too,it was awesome. Those helmets were cool
as hell. The dolphin me whitehelmet. Okay, orange stripe down the
middle, no black on it.Not opposed to black, but we do
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black too much. They give methe original on one side and a jersey
number on the other side, andI'll buy that helmet. And what's the
jersey that goes with this helmet?Come up with it? I don't know,
come up with it. Come upwith it. No, say this
is no. Don't when you designa helmet, I can't design a jersey.
Well, you need to think ofthe big picture. You can't just
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think of one item. Okay,this all needs to coordinate. Okay,
just give me a variation of theorange jersey they have now that is maybe
a little bit vintage. I don'tcare. I just want the white helmet,
the old tiger and the big orangestripe with the number on the side.
The old Tiger's the worst. Ilook, there's cool as Now your
better in football than number on thehelmet. I I don't have a problem
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with number on the helmet, that'sfine. Why can't you have Bengals on
one side number a helmet on theother. Why can't you have the Tigers?
It's stupid? Okay, because thehelmet popping off of the Tigers.
How many other teams have a helmetwhere it just says name of the team
Jets. You want to be likethe Jets? No, okay, who
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else? Is not about It's notabout being like other teams? Part of
your history? No kidding, Butdangles on the jersey. It's already there.
How the other team to have ananimal with a helmet popping off of
it? Uh? Probably none?But that logo is that logo is cool?
I find another way to use thelogo, Make it big, put
it on midfield. How about thatthat that's what you want, that's with
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the new field. I'd be finewith that at least see what it is,
even though I don't. I justdon't want that silly putty taty.
The leaping Tiger. Yes, Idon't want to leap Tigers. Terrible Leaping
Tigers are old Bengals Tigers. There'ssuch a ground swell for the leaping Tiger
either. There does seem to bea lot of that out there that people
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really like it, and I justI've I never really have felt like it's
something worth replicating again. But thatsaid, there's an entire decade of this
team's history at the very beginning,by the way, that has just been
forgotten. Okay, that had alot of good players to play there in
those jerseys, in that helmet.So this is a chance to bring that
back. That's the answer. Notentirely opposed. But I've I've I've driven
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this, I've driven this train nowfor a while off the rails. I
want my white helmet. You askedme for my thoughts on being at the
New Heights podcast, but you hadto go there and cover it in case
Joe Burrow said something interesting. Doyou think he did? No, the
built to beat the Chiefs thing is, is that what we're debating. They
are? They are, yes,they are. They purposely built themselves to
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beat the Ravens and the Chiefs becausethey have seen the direction that Lamar and
Patrick Mahomes were taking things, andthey did that. In fact, they've
done that on the way through theplayoffs couple of times and through the division
and so that's yeah. I don'tthink that that is I thought that was
an honest statement and not a shot, not at all. Everyone should be
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building their teams to beat the Chiefs. By the way, Yes, maybe
somebody in the afcust should consider itbecause they're not doing it. Yeah,
you should be trying to build yourteam to beat the Chiefs because you're not
winning anything unless you go through PatrickMahomes. So yeah, I don't think
that should be controversial. It's tobe controversial when a team is not doing
that. Did you have fun atthe podcast? It was. It was
(36:06):
a fun atmosphere in a lot ofways. It was kind of like if
you went to a basketball game andno basketball happened. It was like midnight
madness. Yeah, exactly exactly whereit was fun. Everyone was there to
have a good time, and youknow, they played the songs and everybody
likes and everybody was dancing and seemedto be pretty happy and enjoying themselves,
especially the people participating. And JoeBurrow came out and everyone yelled and high
(36:29):
pitched voices and screamed, and theywere very happy about that too. So
I'm glad everyone had a good time. It's fun to do something different.
How'd you guys do with your baseballcoaching debut? W you know a forfeit?
You out man? Look, gettingthe players to the field for the
first game is the hardest part ofthe season, probably, right, and
(36:50):
we successfully completed that task and theother team couldn't do it. It's not
any against other team sures, it'sjust it happens, right, But I
am gonna personally feel good about that. Your lovely wife posted a photo of
you and your daughter. Yeah,Jersey, Yeah, did you have a
full uniform? No, it's it'sit's just a They give you a shirt
and a hat. I just I'veseen little league coaches, little League dads
(37:14):
were the pants. Trust me,there was. Everybody had a bag,
so they're all bagged up, andso I picked, you know, they
give you up. I went andI opened the bag and I said,
please no pants, please, nopants, please, no pants. And
because I just and there weren't justshorts, T shirt, hat, perfect
standard as it should be, standardoperating procedure. Okay, you know what,
(37:37):
first grade girls aren't big fans ofbaseball pants. They don't feel good,
they don't look good, like,nothing about it like, So maybe
we need some advancements in the firstgrade base But I'm a baseball pants like,
I don't mind them. When Iwas a kid, I liked wearing
especially with stirrup, no question.But yeah, no, not not the
(38:00):
case. Not the case for mydaughter, but had a great time regardless,
you know, so, I mean, yeah, yeah, I guess
what's what the they tell us?They tell us to send in whether you
want or lost to somebody. SoI we so I do that. I
don't what does that person do withthat information? I assume they're standings.
I don't know. I hope not. I'm just relaying information, Okay,
(38:25):
I'm the guy with the big bag. Yeah, okay, that just trying
to make sure everybody knows where we'resupposed to be playing. Very good,
all right. I know you havea busy next nine days plus in front
of it. Yeah, so lookingforward to it. Next great, next
Tuesday, the pre draft spectacular.How's that gonna be different than what we've
been doing. I don't know.You're gonna have all new things written down.
Yeah, I'll have another angle onthe helmets. Yeah. I can't
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wait. I can't wait to seewhat the next thing could be. When
does the Dane Burglar podcast come out? Tomorrow? All Trenches, All the
Time, myself, Jay, Dane, Nate Tice all in tomorrow's episode of
PD ANDJ. Get that where youget your podcasts? Read Paulvieathletic dot Com
and uh, we'll talk to younext week. Looking forward to it.
Paul Dayner Junior as we get setfor the draft a week from Thursday,
(39:15):
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Sports Up. I'm Christine Leaci.When the Bucks open up their first round
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According to ESPN's Adrian Morjanowski, Milwaukee'spreparing to be without the two time
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