The Mo Egger Show -- 4/25/24

Mo is live from Longnecks in Wilder for today's edition of the program.

Episode Transcript

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This is like getting my daughter onthe show. At about nine o'clock on
Christmas Eve. James Rapine from BengalsTalk dot Com. Let me make sure
I have everything. Okay, howabout that Bengals Talk dot Com. Yeah,
which is under the SI umbrella.I've got Enter the Jungle. It's
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as well. You have filled someraindelays, amen, you have filled some
raindolays. Man. I know peopleare interested in the Reds when they're like,
hey, I see you on tea. You know how it came up
for me was one of the firstgames of the season on bally. I.
You know, it ends, andI go downstairs and do stuff,
and then the next day I turnon the TV and there's James how about
that? So it's pretty cool.There's entered the jungle of the book.

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There's a Locked on Bengals podcast.I think you've Yeah, that's all of
it filling in for you here andthere here. Yeah, so there we
could add that. I know you'regonna be very busy, but I also
know you're excited. Yeah, andwe're gonna talk about the draft. But
then this Trey hendrick thing, TreyHendrickson thing landed in our lap last night.
You mentioned Bryce Harper hitting the homerun. Yeah, I think he's
gonna ask for a new contract.Oh wait, oh wait, we want

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to talk football today. Sorry?What what what is he doing? What
are he and his agent doing?WHOA, it's a bold strategy and it's
not gonna pay off, right,that's it. I mean, he just
re upped his deal nine months ago. Right, he decided to go the
safe route, which I totally get. YEA, he had two years left.

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He had a big cap hit year, and so he said, give
me another year. I want tostay here. You had just drafted Miles
Murphy I want to stay here.Yeah, and they're like, heck,
yeah, we'll keep you for anotheryear. You're one of the best pass
rushers that we've ever had. Andthen he goes out and has seventeen and
a half sacks. Heck, showsup for part of the offseason program last
week, Yeah, and is unhappyabout the money he's making. This is

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not going to work. No,it's not going to work. And I
think the retirement angle is the onethat's the most interesting because it doesn't compare
to a certain number nine that threatenedto retire yeah back in twenty ten.
Well, those two situations are entirelydifferent. Carson, whether you agreed with
him, didn't want to allow himtwenty eleven, yeah, he was.

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He viewed Cincinnati as not the bestplace he could win. He wasn't asking
for more money, He wasn't askingfor a longer term contract. He just
didn't like it here because he didn'tthink he could win here. You might
have not liked what he did,you might have been okay with what he
did, but this wasn't him lookingfor more money. With Trey Hendrickson,
this doesn't seem to be tied towinning or any other circumstance beyond he just
wants more money in a longer contract. Those the two things are not that

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similar. His agent said, hey, I want to be here. I
think he told Ben Baby of ESPtalked to Ben and Kelsey, and look,
I think if you're the Bengals,you look at this and say,
all right, well, I getit, you want to make more sure,
but you're under contract. Yeah ninemonths ago, And that's where it
ends. Yes, yes, absolutely, And that's the dynamic here is nine

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months ago, he was going intoyear three of his contract. They had
just drafted Miles Murphy, and hehad a big cap hit coming into this
year, and he was coming offof an eight sax season. So I
get him wanting more money, Sure, I get it. Yeah, just
more security. I get all ofthat. But to think you can get
another bite of the apple now,it just doesn't make sense. Even with

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the season he had, even withseventeen and a half sacks, If this
was the route he thought he mightgo, yeah, him and his agent
should have both had the foresight tosay, all right, go ball out
this year. Yeah, it's yourthird year and a four year deal,
and we will get you an extensionnext year. For much more money,
and he probably would have cashed inand gotten much more money if he had
done that. Well, this wholeI'm gonna retire a thing, so I

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want more money, and if Idon't get it, I'm not gonna take
any Like, does he realize ifhe retires he doesn't get any that's the
difference between Carson and Trey. Ifyou're willing to completely walk away because you're
unhappy, Well, man, thatthere is some leverage in that. Okay,
there is, But is it reallywilling to do that? No,

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Carson was That's why Carson had someleverage. Yes, there is no leverage
here because he said, oh,I want to be in Cincinnati. I
just want one another you know,five million or whatever it is. Yeah,
that's not how it works. Correct, It's just not how it works.
I want another five million, andso do you. Yes, I
have a feeling that that's not gonnawork if we ask for it. Well,
that's like I can't blame anybody fortrying, right, Sure, Hey,

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let's let's ask. You can't getwhat you don't ask for. Okay,
they said, no, what cardyou got? That's not retiring?
So but this is just don't Iput this on the agent, like,
it's the agent's job to know howthis works. It's the agent's job to
figure out the best way to getwhat his client deserves and gets. It's
his agent's job to say even lastyear, like, hey, dude,

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I get it, you want tosign a deal beyond twenty twenty four.
You're gonna make more money. Buthey, man, if you have a
killer season, which Tray did,he was awesome. Great. If you
have a killer season, you mightgo back and regret this, we have
more leverage. Then yes, that'stotally agreeing. What is his agent doing.
I have no idea. I really, I have no idea. And

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then going public the timing of it, the fact that they did invest in
him last year, an extra year, and you look at that contract.
He's gonna make fourteen point eight thisyear, fifteen point eight next year.
They're probably gonna payhim off. Sohe's gonna make thirty million over the next
year's and I get it, that'slow for the high end pass rushers.
Yeah, then don't agree to theextension, right and understand that you're coming

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off of an eight SAX season.Believe in yourself, Yeah, and go
out there and perform at a highlevel and then ask this year because he
would have a ton of leverage ifthis was the final year of his deal,
no doubt, coming off of aseventeen and a half sex season.
Yeah, and they probably extend him. Yeah, they probably be like,
yeah, we're gonna give you twoyears, spread this money out. They
have the cap space to do it. But now it's like, all right,

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do you want to buy Trey Hendricksonpast twenty twenty five? No?
Not now? No, if theVegles have no reason to do it,
he will be by the end ofhis contract that exists right now, he'll
be thirty two years old. WhatI'm getting in twenty twenty six from Trey
Hendrickson ain't even close to what Ijust got from him in twenty twenty three.
Sure, so why would I paymore? Like we love Trey Hendrickson.

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By then, he will be nineyears into the league. What on
earth would compel anybody to look athim and go, yeah, let's let's
sign up for twenty two twenty six, Like that's right now, right now,
that's the maybe the year, sure, but right now, what what
team would just go you know,Okay, Trey let's do it again,

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give you another year, your agethirty two season, instead of going,
look, let's just see how thenext the next eight months playout what he
should have done. And by theway, when the Bengals signed him before
the twenty twenty one season, itwas a risky move, no doubt.
People criticize them. Trey was aproduct of the Saints defensive line. He
pus no doubt. So he comesin signs a four year, sixty million

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dollars deal, outperforms that contract boomsure right away, and that that second
year not as many sacks, butstill really getting get good pressured, definitely
making an impact. And so heshould have either won thought, oh,
I'm going to perform this contract,or two, I like it here,

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we can win. I'm and dowhat he did, which is fine,
but understand and that you're not gonnaget another bite of the apple the next
offseason. Yeah, and that's Idon't know where the breakdown is. What
I think ends up happening is thishas much to do about nothing. And
Trey Hendrickson will be on the fieldin September. He might be on the
field before that. He showed upto off season workouts last week, right,

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like what's different now? Like whatdo you? What are you doing?
It just seemed like a shoot fromthe Hit Move, which is similar
last year at this time the JoonaWilliams trade request, I said, add,
the agent's on handling this right,right, And it didn't feel it
just felt way more uncomfortable than itneeded to. I feel the same way
about this one because odds are he'sin stripes in September. Yeah, I

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think the Joonah Williams thing, though, I don't want to say we saw
that coming, but it wasn't surprisingwhen I saw that Adam Schefter tweet yesterday.
For sure. That's one of thefew things that I've seen that I
was genuinely like, what, like, we just I even had to ask
myself on the air, we justdid this last summer, Like I didn't.
I didn't the imagine that that wasn'tSam Harbard, like we we just

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did this and gave him the twentyfive year. Does the Pratt breaking news
Jermaine Pratt only two years left onhis deal? Once an extent, you
see how dumb it sounds? Yes, correct, Does this have any impact
when we talk about what the Bengalsare going to do starting tonight. Does

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it impact their draft strategy at all? Zero? Now should it zero?
I don't think they've tweaked their board, changed their board. I don't know
if they have any intention of tradingTrey Hendrickson. I think they think that
part is funny. Now here's whatI will say. T's being laughed at
it, right, I would imaginehe's being laughed at inside and outside.
You don't, I mean, Ithink it's I just think it's barking up

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the wrong tree. And to pretendyou're going to return you were at offseason
workouts last week like that would belike saying me going to my boss,
hey, I'm done writing. Yeah, and they look and I wrote an
hour ago. Ain't done. Youmight be mad right now, but you're
not done. Mo goes to commercial. I'm done being done. If it

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doesn't make sense, So what dothey do tonight? I think there are
scenarios where they take a defensive end. I don't think it's likely, and
it was always unlikely. There's achance though, maybe trade down scenario.
Maybe the right guys there at eighteen. I think they like Jared Verse,
by the way, But if theyend up with Jared Verse or any of
these other defensive ends. I thinkit has more to do with that player

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and where their board is, andhas little to nothing to do with Trey
Hendrick, somebody they would have takenin regards, no doubt, And I
think that's still pretty unlikely, butit's possible, And so I'll mention it
because who knows, Maybe Jared versusa Bengal tonight. Yeah, well,
that'd give us something interesting to talkof. Oh my gosh. And then
if Trey thought he had any leverage, see you sure, Tray. I'm

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not sure what leverage he's imagining,but if he thought he had any,
and they take a defensive end forthe second consecutive man on one And what's
what's so weird about his contract?Like it lines up with Sam Hubbard.
Him and him Hubbard are great friends. So when he added that year,
I'm like, oh, this isgreat, Like you get the rest of
their prime, both guys, andnow you get that. This is just

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it's gonna be one of those thingssix months from now you're like, can't
remember that, Yes, trades likethird in the league in sacks, Remember
when he wanted out? We're allgonna laugh as I did last night.
Yeah, I mean, there's justno unless they get offered like a crazy
deal, and is anyone doing that. They're trying to win the title this
year, right, I agree?That's why you know, that's why Te's

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here. That's why I want themto keep Tea, and it's why Te's
here. They're trying to win thetitle. So in a year where they're
going to try to win the title, they're gonna trade away one of the
best edge rushers in the sport who'son a value contract and under contract for
two years and coming off with seventeenand a half sacks? What would it
take you think? Like I tweetedthe if the Bears offered number nine,

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knowing the Bears wouldn't last night,who would say no? I don't know
that. The Bengals say yes,I really don't. They might, but
to your point, it does thatmake them better? Right now? Are
trying to win the title this year? They think is a championship ready team?
Really hard to get rid of yourbest defensive player. We just spent
like months talking about how they're notgoing to trade Tea and then suddenly faced

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with this goofball agent saying trade ourguy or he may retire. They're gonna
go yeah, okay, cool andtrades more valuable and Tea yes he is,
yes, and he's under value.Deal. It's just and if he's
great those two years, guess whatthey're gonna say, Hey, Tray,
right, guess what we're run itback? We might running back fine.
I again, like that came downat like five thirty five yesterday. Oh,

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I know, I was. Ithought I was done with everything right
pre draft and had to scramble.And then so I talked about it for
ten minutes and I get in thecar and I'm like that that actually happened.
Like there are very few things thatreally surprise me. That was one
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starts at six. On ESPN fifteenthirty, James Orpene will be covering the
draft. Will you even sleep betweennow and like next Tuesday? Not much
so the and it's a great problemto have, but no, I'll be
you know, I'll be busy tonight, right and then you already you start
to look to tomorrow and you gotto have that stuff ready for when people

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wake up. And then you stillwaking up pretty early. So no,
no, won't won't sleep much inthe harder turn around it's Friday to Saturday
because the draft starts earlier. Yeah, yeah, tough, we'll be good.
No, no, not tough,good fun, It's good it's good.
If I wasn't like that would betwelve different outlets to provide content for.

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That's what I mean. You havelike all these picks, all these
storylines, college free agents, andthen I'm not just one place. How
many mocks do you think? I'vedone? Ten? Written? Just to
be clear written written? Five?Wow? Yeah? Wow? Five?
So I did mock one point twopoint oh three point oh? All right,

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hey what I would do? Yeahthis week, and what I think
they'll do? Yeah, five,you nailed it. Read the site.
Look at that. I read thesite and then you did. You did
the mega mak with Daner and Butcherall of the virtual ones. Hard to
count those, yeah, which whichI think Jay got right. So I

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won't sneak into why he got itright right, We'll get to that.
Yeah. For me, everything pivotsaround Byron Murphy's availability, should it.
I think the Bengals really like ByronMurphy. I think their top offensive tackles
you just look at their history willbe ahead of Byron Murphy, even if

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they think he's awesome on their board, on their board, Okay, And
I don't blame him, I don't. I think it's really really hard where
is that cutoff the guy the tacklewho's ahead of Murphy, Yes, and
the one who's just behind them butbehind Murphy. I think that's the that's
the question of the draft. Yeah, I mean that that's what dictates tonight

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because there's there are scenarios and peoplewill hate it where Byron Murphy is there
and they don't pick him. Ithink Joel obviously would be ahead of him.
Offensive tach wise, he's gone.He's already picked ye Olufshanu out of
Penn State. I think J.C. Latham would be ahead of him.
So there's three and the question isTelisi Fuanga will he be ahead of
him? Will Amarus Mims be aheadof him? And I think there's your

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line. Fuanga probably Mims too manyquestion marks. Fautanu is more of a
guard I think I think he's probablylower than all of these guys that I
just mentioned. And so I thinkthat's your line, and it'll be interesting
to see if I'm right. Idon't know, just speculating looking at their
history what they do, and andif Murphy isn't there, then Johnny Newton

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comes into the play too, andthat's that's what where it gets really interesting.
Hold that thought Murphy specifically, ifyou had to wager an amount of
money that mattered to you on whetheror not he's there at eighteen, were
you putting your your bet on ifhe there or not him not being there?
I think it's similar to brock Bauers, similar to Quinnon Mitchell. I

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think Mitchell of the three has thehighest odds of being there. But of
these, like top prospects that aren'toffensive tackles that could fall to you at
eighteen, I think Bowers is theleast likely, but Murphy isn't far behind
that. Okay, where he couldgo eight to Atlanta. Everyone talks about
Ed Rusher at Atlanta. If they'rethe team that picked Grady Jarrett, yes
or no? Yeah, all right, that worked out for them. Looking

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at Byron Murphy, I don't knowwhy they wouldn't say, oh, well,
Grady Jarrett worked out for us.Why not get the young version of
Grady Jarrett? So I do wonder, but yeah, I think that's where
he could start to go off theboarders right there at eight Would they would
there be a scenario with Murphy specificallywhere they would trade up to get them
with Newton there, I would sayprobably not. I think a lot of

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people want them to. And Ithink that's the key is how far apart
are they between Murphy? How bigis that gap between Murphy and Newton?
Because Newton's gonna be there, I'dbe pretty surprised if he's not there.
They brought him in for a visit. He has the foot issue, didn't
run the forty or anything like thatat his pro day, So maybe he's

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far enough down on their board wherethey say, hey, let's give up
a third. We have two thirds. Let's give up a third and go
to thirteen or fourteen and get ourguy. And I will not knock them
for that. If they go,if they trade up for their guy,
that's fine, that's what you shoulddo. If they take neither Murphy or
Newton in round one, can theylegitimately make that position, which was a

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weakness last year and now doesn't haveDJ reader, Can they legitimately make that
group better? Absolutely? And that'swhy in my perfect scenario, it's offensive
tackle at eighteen. It isn't Murphy. It's because you can find defensive tackles
round two, round three that cancontribute right away. Chris Jenkins out of
Michigan, but can tackle Derrick Henrylike him a lot. Well. Byron

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Murphy's gonna struggle with that too.He's not DJ reader. Let's start right,
correct. None of these Yeah,none of these guys are DJ reader
where they're gonna be three twenty fiveand just eat up double teams and drop
to a knee and throw guys aroundentirely different. Yeah, but they're gonna
get pressure. And that's the beautyof Johnny Newton and Byron Murphy. And

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they are good against the run.They're just not that type of player,
right, So the Bengals, they'regonna have to double dip at defensive tackles.
That's a guarantee. Fine, good, you have to guarantee. Yeah,
And it's probably gonna be either tonightor early tomorrow. And then with
one or two picks on Day threebecause of the different options they have there
where there are some nose tackle optionson day three that I think they can

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get in get one hundred and fiftysnaps out of in those key goal line
situations where you need that big defensivetackle because you don't there aren't many DJ
readers around. A lot of teamsgo without them, but you still need
big bodies at times. I toldyou off air I didn't want mims.
You tried to talk me out ofthat. We'll have that conversation on air.
We'll talk about brock Bauers and somuch more. James or Peene Bengals

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talk sounds good Enter the Jungle.Are you gonna be on after this Reds
game? I don't know. That'susually like I watched. I don't know.
We have to check the guide.I don't watch draft day. You
think I'm looking at that when I'mon, I don't know. I would
right. I watched Reds live andthat day sudden. Sometimes it's people playing
cards. One time it was likepeople playing kick volleyball, like sand volleyball

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with their feet, and then oneday it was you. I would suck
at that. I would be sobad, bad at real volleyball with my
hands. I'm better at lleyt andI'm not good at volleyball, but i'd
be better at that. Those options. I'm rooting for you. It'd be
fun to be talking to you asyou're on over your left shoulder. Sign
me up. I'll see if ithappens. Reds is it's still five nothing
getting beat by the Phillies. It'stwenty five away from four o'clock. He's

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Friday, December the sixth. JamesRapine is here. Bengals Talk dot Com
Enter the Jungle locked on Bengals brockBowers. I watched you and and Paul
Danner Junior. I thought for asecond your friendship was crumbling to an end.
Yeah, you love brock Bowers.He doesn't like brock Bowers. Yeah,

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I know why. Brock Bower senthim some hate mail down voting in
the Athletic. He gave him aone star clicked on the frownie face.
Yea, the frownie face. Iliked this article. He's like, oh
Brocke show. Yeah, For me, it was like watching parents fight.
And by the end of it,I said this on the air, I
go, I don't know, becausehere's two people whose opinions I really value

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and they're opposite. When it comesto brock Bowers. Do we think he's
there? Probably not. I thinkof like the one of all the weapons
that you would consider at eighteen,he has the best chance because the big
three receivers aren't going to be there. But it's pretty close to Byron Murphy,
like everyone spending all this time onByron Murphy. And it might be
ten percent, Yeah, Brock mightbe seven, or might be a little

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higher than that for both guys,but there's a chance that he's there.
So you wanted to start with that, I'm sure. Is there another question?
Well then why shouldn't they take them? Well, they should take him.
That's what's dumb about this. Lastyear they were in on Dalton Kincaid
at twenty eight. I'm confident insaying that, all right, brock Bowers
is head shoulders at least one ofhis knees above Dalton Kincaid. They were

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in on Sam Laporta, they passedon him. I just think it makes
a ton of sense, especially becauseyou know what happens when you give Joe
Burrow elite playmakers elite weapons and theyhave a void wide receiver becomes much less
if a need of a need,if you have brock Bowers. Sure,
and so you don't have to takeone on day two. Right now,

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I think they're pretty much guaranteed totake one on day two. Maybe not,
but probably, And so an eliteplaymaker with Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow
for the next five years. Yeah, it's pick eighteen, it's not picked
four, right, absolutely, dude. Yeah, that to me is like
people talk about the positional value andI say the same thing. It's it
is the second half of round one. We're not talking about them in the

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Jamar Chase spot at five. Right. Yeah, it's it's a middle of
the first round pick. It's avaluable pick, and it's a pick.
You know, you've got a nail. But could could I get eighteenth overall
production from this tight end and thisoffense? I think so. Solomon Wilcott
mentioned this point, and it's agood one. If it was a receiver
that was the brock Bowers level receiver, no one would blink how much are

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receiver is making right a ton right, And so yeah, there's not as
much value on the rookie deal ifyou'd get a receiver at eighteen versus Brock.
But it's going to be much easierto have Jamar Chase and brock Bauers
if you have that, or anelite receiver in Brock Bowers and Burrow under
contract, Like he's going to giveyou a receiver level production. And I
think he could be your number twomaybe this year, but certainly next year.

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And that's really really valuable in thisoffense of the tackles, the offensive
tackles who are likely to be thereat eighteen. Yeah, who's the guy
you like the most? Amarius Smims? Now the guy you hate? I
don't hate him, that guy youhate? He's played eight games? Sure,
now, I could certainly understand TrentBrown was signed to start at right

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tackle for the Bengals, But withthe eighteenth overall pick, I want to
feel good about that guy being ableto play. Can a guy who has
played eight college football games play Weekone? If need be? People hear
that and assume that he's been hurtfor three years and he hasn't he brought
bying some pros at Georgia. Right, he's played in big games, college
football game, a college football playoffgames, not just college football games and

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national championship games. I think hecould if you wanted him to be a
day one starter. I think heis ready to go. That doesn't mean
he doesn't need some work. Youknow who else needs work. JC Latham
gonna need some work too. It'sit's not just plug and play, and
he's just ready to hit the groundrunning. And the reason why I like
mems. Everyone talks about the floorhim being a bust or the high ceiling,

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and that's the discussion a six seven, three hundred and forty pound athletic
freak. There is a middle groundwhere he's just like a really good player.
And can he be Johonna Williams.I think he's gonna be far better
than Jonah Like I think he canhe be Joona Williams year one if they
needed it, sure, Okay,think so, Especially from a past protection

(27:45):
stamp. I think he'd be betterbecause so much more physically imposing right than
Jonah, And in this division,that's what you need. He doesn't have
the short arms. He doesn't haveshort arms. I mean he's he's lean
somehow, not in a bad way, but he's three hundred and forty pounds
right, Like that's crazy. Imean he weighs with Orlando Brown junior weighs.
They just carry it differently. Andso yeah, if you could get

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that guy, I would get him. I think Frank Pollack would be in
on him. And the question isare the Bengals as an entire group in
on him consensus wise? Well,it's just because a position coach likes a
guy, and I know it forsure, But just because a position coach
likes him doesn't know. They kindof walk me through the dynamic and a
Zach talked about it with you guyson Monday. Voices in the room and
who we go to when it's timeto address a certain position. So how

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much sway? If Frank Pollack saysAmarusmims he's available, That's why I want
how much sway does that carry?I think it should carry some, especially
because this is the franchise. AndI was on board with Jamar right likewise,
but looked at Frank, yeah andstaid, we're not picking Penney Suel,

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We're taking Jamar Chase. Huh.And then said, we're gonna get
you Jackson Carmen. Yeah, Imean, and again I would have taken
Jamar every time. Yes hindsight,even though we know now, Yes,
the whole time we were here thatyear. Yeah, and I was all
in on team Chase, like absolutelyalways so. But he's the offensive line

(29:12):
coach. He's the one that's gettingcrushed because the offensive the quarterbacks hurt again,
and the offensive line hasn't lived upto all of those things. And
so it's that's the part where it'slike, all right, this seems to
be the year. Maybe just geta guy for him. I thought on
the thing Monday where Zach was askedabout positional versatility and offensive lineman came up,

(29:34):
and he kind of pointed out,like it's really not that big of
a deal. I'm paraphrasing him here, if a guy can only play tackle
or only play guard? Was thatrevealing it all? As we talk about
their strategy tonight on the offensive line, but all week and long, I
think they like versatility, but it'snot going to be what decides eighteen.
They want an offensive tackle if theytake an offensive lineman at eighteen, but

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not taking him to play guard.They're not taking play tax Center, yeah,
or play tight ends. Well,he wants to be that. They
want an offensive tackle. And Ithink that's why six seven three forty is
gonna be mighty mighty intrigument. Areyou uh? Do you have to go?
Heck? No, you just orderedfood. We're hanging out now.
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(30:18):
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James or Penis is still here?What bye bye cooler and my trunk.
What you're talking about? It's thehot comeoutity, no come out come
down in and so to win it? Would you get the ruben? The
ruben was good. It was wheredo we where do we leave off?

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We left off with big big guysthat need to protect Joe Burrow. All
right, so you've tried to sellme on you've tried to sell me on
a Marius. I mean I couldsell you more than that. But yeah,
you know, if I didn't wantto give you the full court,
who's the guy you don't want atthat position? Who's the guy that if
he's there, you're like, youknow what, past take anybody else?
This is why it's it's kind ofeasy because it's a guy that they shouldn't

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consider at eighteen, right, TylerGeydon, Okay, don't want him?
Why he played one? He isjust as inexperienced as man. He's a
converted tight end and that's why hedidn't play. Mims didn't play because he's
behind Georgia. Yeah, like,oh shocker, right, Like it's Georgia.
They've they've been really good spoiler alers. But Tyler Geyden was a tight

(32:52):
end three years ago. Like hemade us start at Oklahoma at tight end.
And he's got the size. He'sathletic. Of course he played tight
end, right, he's the project. Yeah, and at eighteen, No,
I don't feel great. If hewas at forty nine, sure,
yeah, run it in. Hewon't be Yeah. You love wide receivers,
of course, most valuable position insports, not named quarterbacks. Have

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has there been a wide receiver thatyou've felt compelled to make the argument for
at eighteen in Louisville. If youthink, okay, they're taking a wide
receiver early, which everybody believes isgonna happen, sure, have you succumbed
to the temptation to say, well, look, if you're gonna take one
early, it would take one thefirst day only if one of the big

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three fell. There isn't a linemanMarvin Harrison thirty. No, but let
Roma Dune day. Let's say RomaDunesey somehow fell. There's not another player
that we've discussed offensive tackle that'll bethere, Rock Bowers, maybe both defensive
tackles are there, they wouldn't bein this scenario. I would still take

(33:58):
Rome. Yeah, because they valuereceiver and he's awesome, right he with
the league values receiver a ton,no doubt, and they use three every
play? Right So yeah, ofcourse, yeah, he's awesome. So
no, the answer is no.Now, if they trade it down,
it changes things. If they're pickingtwenty six, then yeah, is Brian
Thomas Junior an okay? Pick?There? Fine? It is eighty mitche

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out of Texas. If you likehim a good pick there, fine,
if they're picking eighteen, No,I think there'll be better players there.
With every draft guide or a bigboard that I have consumed, where I
have driven myself nuts the most istrying to decipher which day two wide receivers
I want from this large collection ofguys. Yeah, I mean it is

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looking. It's like looking at thelong next menu. There's so many that
you're like, man, that wouldwork, that would work, that would
work, that would work. Yeah, but you know there's only a handful
that would make sense. And ofthose handful, maybe only one or two
that you would take. Give methe day two wide receivers you're interested in.
Well, it's almost like a roundby Roun. It really is,
because round two. I love TroyFranklin out of Oregon six' one.

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I think he's slender, like oneseventy six. I think he'll play at
one eighty five and be fine.He never had any injury history, nothing,
never got nicked up, miss games, nothing, So I think he'll
be fine there. He'll get inthe gym kind of like t Higgins,
where like T Higgins is just muchthicker now than he was a few years
ago. And he won't get tothat because he's not six four. But

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no, I think he's a deepthreat that would add a dynamic to this
offense this year and could be yournumber two, your future number two.
Roman Wilson is someone that a lotof people like. I think he's more
of a slot only and so Iwonder would they take slot only at forty
nine or do you bump him down? Do you bump some of these guys
down and look at eighty where inround three you're talking. Brendan Rice could

(35:50):
be there. Jalen McMillan, JalenPolk is someone I've seen him going round
two. Maybe he falls to roundthree because there's so many receivers. So
I think those are some names toknow as well. And then my favorite
Day three, at least early Daythree guy would be Luke McCaffrey. If
they haven't if they haven't found atrue slot, let's say they took Franklin.

(36:10):
I'd be in on a Luke McCaffreyon Day three, someone like that
that can go in the slot andplay right now. Does has Charlie Jones
fallen out of disfavor to the extentthat I think he has and if so,
wid No, I don't think so. I think I think Charlie Jones
could make a lot of big playsfor them this year. They just don't
want to bank on him being theironly slot option. And right now,

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Trenton Own's more of an outside guy. Jamar Chase is going to play the
slot some t Higgins doesn't really.He runs a slot fade and that's it.
That's it. Yeah, And soAndre Joseavash could do it a little
probably, but he's not going tobe your slot receiver, and so that's
a need. And ideally they wouldget someone that could do that and play
outside. And Troy Franklin, bythe way, did it a little bit.

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So, Hey, Zach, Iknow you're listening. Yeah, Troy
Franklin at forty nine, I wouldimagine that twelve minuts after four o'clock on
day one of the draft, Zachis sitting there. He's just listening but
taking notes. He saw our picture. I tweet and I gotta pop those
guys on. Hey call the othercoaches in so we could see what these

(37:15):
guys have to say. The internet, we get the high Heart radio app.
You know, there was a timewhere at what used to be Paul
Brown Stadium. If you said,hey, we need the Internet, it
was dicey as to whether or notthey could get it. Not that's not
so much the case anymore. Uh. I was listening to Lewis Riddick with

(37:37):
Tony and Austin yesterday. He bringsup cornerback. Yeah, that's an interesting
position. Right. First of all, Dak sails gonna play cornerback, right,
Yeah, yeah, that's gonna happen. I'm so mad at the Bengal
Right, I'm mad they just botchedthat whole They ruined him. Yeah,
and not that he's not still agood player. I'm not saying that.
I think there's a clear issue,but between I don't even know if the

(38:00):
issue disagreement between the front office andhow they viewed Ax and the coaching staff
and how they viewed X. Right. I don't know how there's anyway around.
Kind of a problem though, right, big problem. I mean,
you need alignment, you need everybodyon the same page. Doesn't that that's
the one guy that feels like they'rethey're not on the same page about right,
doesn't make sense to him? No, I thought he was better than
the perception of him last year.I think there's some validity to that,

(38:22):
the perception of him, and hewas bad down the stretch. Yeah,
everyone remembers that we talked more abouthow bad he was once the season was
over than he did while the seasonwas going on, which tells me we
have overstated how bad he was sincewe didn't talk about it during the season.
Yep. And if the plan wasto play him at deep safety,

(38:44):
well then maybe when he's a rookieand you have Jesse Bates, you give
Jesse Bates five snaps off a gamefive five, Yeah, just to get
him some experience back there. Hehad none. They put him back there
in Shocker. It was a rollercoaster. Yeah, That's That's where I'm
at with that. Yeah, Idon't think that rules out corner. I
think cornerback is very much in playtonight. I'll be very very much in

(39:07):
play, I think. And thereare two guys that they could take at
eighteen, all right, go ahead, Terry and Arnold, not in that
order, though. Quin Jon MitchellI think is the top corner on their
board. I don't think he's goingto be there, but if he is
there, he's probably going to bethe top player. I think of all
of the positions that we have talkedabout as being a possibility for round one,
that's the one we've talked about theleast, and that's the so it's

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offensive tackle, defensive tackle. Theirthird most likely position to draft to night
is corner. Okay, it's aheadof defensive end. It's well ahead of
receiver. You think they're taking aguard at eighteen. No, it's corner,
but they are taking a guard atsome point. They're better. Yeah.
I need that versatile, that versatilecenter guard. No, that's not

(39:51):
really adversatile. I just need aguy who could play center and guard,
right. Yeah. Well that's thething. Like the off they didn't have
to use them last year. Theiroffensive line backups are very uninspiring. That's
a way to describe it. ButI mean it is, I mean something,
thankfully, but nobody had to play. It's insane. Yeah, we
know as much about some of thosedudes today as we did before the season
started, no doubt. So Ineed some depth there. Trey Hill is

(40:14):
your backup center today. It wasMax Sharping last year about out there,
right, So Max Sharping isn't signedanywhere? No, Okay, Uh,
corner is in play tonight if they'remost likely positioned. So if it's in
play tonight, why are we nottalking about that coming off the board for
them tomorrow? Because I think theway it's been portrayed, at least from

(40:35):
the stuff that I've consumed, isdefensive tackle, offensive linemen, maybe two
within the first two days, widereceiver. Oh and then by the way,
brock Powers might be there. There'shasn't been a ton of corner chatter,
but yet many will say you can'thave enough cover corners and there has
been transition at that position. Yeah, there's This draft is unique. So
the past two years the Bengals havetaken a corner in the second round,

(40:59):
right with Taylor Brett DJ Turner.Tomorrow, Let's say they don't get a
corner tonight tomorrow. I think theboard, just the way the value is,
it pushes it down to round threethrough five right where you can find
good value. And I don't knowwhen it'll be, but it'll be in
that range. So between pick eightyand pick one for nine, that's where

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the range is where I think thatthey could add a corner. Heck,
they may double dip a corner inthis draft. It wouldn't shock me if
they took one in the first roundof the third round and then took one
on late day three. That wouldnot surprise me at all. So I
think it's a priority. I dothink there's a gap there where round two.
It's hard to predict, but Iwould imagine that one of these trench
players is going to be there.One of these receivers is going to be

(41:40):
there tight end. It's a bitearly. Maybe they trade down and go
the corner, but I don't thinkthat corner is really the value lines up
at forty nine as of now.That might change tonight after the first round.
Yeah, can I get you forone more? Let's go, because
I want to extend the conversation beyondthe Bengals, because I mean, it
is a like a four hour TVshow we're all going to watch the night.

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All I know is is I wentand touch brock Bauers in the first
seventeen and the Bengals got to runfrom the Bengals. Real estate is a
tiny sliver, and so I wantyour take on some of the other storylines.
Tiny unless they get a big manlike a Marius Mims. Just think
Georgia tonight Georgia on Georgia, George'son your mind, Brock Marius Mims all
right, Lad McConkie, do likehim? Yeah? I don't think the

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Bengals will like him? No,I like him? What's that? The
like? Don't what don't they like? He's had some injuries and stuff.
I don't know. That's the thingthat's really hard to predict. You don't
know the medical grades on any ofthese, right, But yeah, I'm
in on him. I think hehas that versatility to play outside. I
think he can win downfield and obviouslyhe could play slot. Do you think
Trey Hendrickson and his agents will makeany news during the draft tonight? I'll

(42:47):
be so mad. Trey go's liveeating Chips take it all back. Hey,
Carlo has done lap? Was carlUs like instagramming? Yeah, made
me watch his instagram Live eating Chipssaid nothing. It was like eight pm

(43:08):
on a Tuesday during camp or no, it was during the season season,
during the season and when they wereterrible, like come on, man,
like we have come on, it'sdowntime, Uh chips, he's James Rapaine.
You know what. I hate hearingpeople eat ship like that is not
a fun sound just a lot ofvalidity to that. I don't need to

(43:30):
hear you and I have both spenta large chunk of our lives wearing headphones
remote broadcasts like this, and Ihave worked with people who during breaks will
eat, but they don't take likethey they slightly move the microphone out of
the way. And if you're,you know, listening nothing, you want

(43:52):
me to hate you, let memake make me listen to that. The
nightmare scenario draft wise, tonight,Taylor and the coordinator for whatever whatever position
group gets pick comes in and they'rejust eating chips into the mic. There's
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(44:57):
would drink ten in order ten morein that ten minute. That's smart strategy.
That's the way. It's a veteransdrink right draft strategy. Absolutely,
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me through it was drinking. SoBengals Talk dot Com Achille Smith, Enter,

(45:21):
Enter the Jungle. This was thetwenty fifth anniversary of the Bengals turning
down the Saints trade. Yeah,I remember that. I have a take
for you. Go ahead. Iget the logic. Yeah. Hate the
player, yeah, hate that theydidn't do their research. One hit.
Wonder would you would you have donethat a whole draft for Burrow? No?
No, no, you know why? Because the logic it sounded,

(45:44):
it was just the wrong player.Did that show? Were you working with
me when we had Achilles Smith onthe air? Probably he was maybe,
I don't know, maybe not hewas. I forget why we got him
on, uh for quarterback evaluation?No, like just kidding, just like
talk about his his time in Cincinnati. Yeah, and all the mistakes he

(46:04):
made, and he could not havebeen more forthcoming about like what a knucklehead
he was. I think that wasright before we started working again. Okay,
well it was really good. Imean, I like, we got
him on and he answered a lotof legit questions and he was he was
awesome. So good for him.I do think he did move into coaching
for real. I think so.Yeah, But twenty five years ago,
I remember that draft and I wassimilarly not opposed to it, but like,

(46:27):
we need to we need a quarterback. This Achilles Smith guy decade without
one. Yeah, Like I totallyget it. It was just the evaluation
was poor because I think if theyhad asked anyone didn't really would have said,
Achille Smith is the only person I'veheard Jim Scott, the legendary Jim
Scott admonish on the air. Reallyyeah, he was doing like they signs

(46:50):
his rookie contract, and he wasdoing like one of those like once a
week five minute radio shows, thisin the morning when I was producing Jim
Show, and Achille would all inhalf awake, and that's if he would
call in at all. So afterlike six seven weeks sometimes he wouldn't call
any When he would, he wasawful. Like Jim on the air,
mister nice like reads him the riotAct and it's basically like, you know,

(47:12):
I've been doing this a long time. You know, there's a level
of professionalism, and if you wantto be a star, here's what you
could do. Not sleep through yourinterview. And then basically it's like I
refuse to talk to this Achille Smithguy. Ever again, it was awesome.
Wow, great first person that wasentirely out on Achille Smith, Jim
of all people. Yes, yes, all right, we've we've talked about

(47:35):
the Bengals and the draft from everyconceivable Cincinnati angle. Give me beyond the
Bengals, the three or four mostinteresting things to you tonight round one.
As a whole, I think weknow the first four picks. Barring some
unforeseen trade that I don't see happening, New England would be stupid, by
the way to not take the quarterback, right unless they just think Drake May

(47:57):
stinks, right, and then maybeyou trade down and you to get fancy
with it. I think he's gota pretty high ceiling. I don't think
Drake I would roll the dice onthose physical traits because it could be Josh
Allen light right, it's still reallydarn good and that's better than what you've
had. So Josh Allen, allanybody did was say, well, his
completion percentage was low. Yeah,well, like to have him not here
maybe, but like to have himin a lot of cities you would take,

(48:20):
yeah for sure. And so yeah, I think May's third, Marvin
Harrison Junior fourth, even though thereis some split within the league, I
think on who the top receiver inthis class, and then after that do
the charger stick and pick. There'sbeen some JC Latham buzz there. If
you're taking Latham, just moved down. How you doing so? I think

(48:40):
they could move down. The thingis all the guys that Herbert threw to
his first couple of years are gone. Mike Williams isn't there, Keenan Allen
is still in the league. Notthere, loost Eckler's not there, who's
gonna throw to I agree with you, right, I love receivers. I
would take Malik Neighbors if he's thereat five, and that would just be

(49:02):
my pick. I think what theymight do is move down to eleven.
Maybe with Minnesota they move up forJjarings have made it known they want a
quarterback, move up for JJ McCarthy, and then you take your offensive lineman
at eleven. You have a pickat twenty three. You get both of
those picks potentially if you're the Chargers, and then you get one of your
receivers there. But you're right,they need to add weapons. But I

(49:23):
wonder about our buddy Brian Callahan atseven. The Titans are there at seven,
everyone says Joe Al, all right, Well, maybe Joe Al's not
there, maybe he goes five,or maybe you go receiver. We saw
Brian Callahan do it right, andhe was one of those guys leading the
charge. He's got his dad.Even with Hopkins a thousand years old,

(49:49):
one year, one year left,so compare it to here. Higgins was
young, they had one year ofAJ and they still went and got jamar
Aj was done. Then he wasa f everyone elsewhere. But so it's
not perfect, it's pretty close,it's pretty similar. I don't know that
after five there's been a team thatI've seen in all the mock drafts have

(50:09):
the same pick more often than Tennessee. And that's why I think it's wrong.
Right with all? Yeah, Ithink it's wrong. Just is it
really that obvious? Usually if itfeels that obvious, it's not right.
And and who knows, maybe I'mdead wrong on that. I don't know,
but I think maybe they go Olufashanuinstead of All. I don't know,
maybe ELT's already gone, like yousaid, I think that that's interesting.

(50:31):
Other things the Jets do they gobrock Powers. Obviously that impacts what
we're talking about here. Do theydo that? That's what Aaron Rodgers apparently
wants. Yeah, I mean that'sthat entire football operation feels like their job
is as on the line in thisdraft as any in the league. Right,

(50:52):
they have to get it turned aroundand see, you know what I
would do. I trade up andI get one of these receivers. That's
what I would do. Right,who cares out the picks? Right?
Move up with the Giants? Right? The Giants, won't they move up
with the Titans. If I theyneed is Joe Douglas the GM they need
market improvement now. Yeah, sowe saw what did Jamar Chase do.

(51:14):
And I'm not saying there's a marketimprovement. I'm not saying there's a Jamar
Chase from four wins to ten.But yeah, like, if you get
that dude, he changes things.Yeah. Well, the whole thing for
years with Rogers in Green Bay washe's got no one to throw to.
Now they still have Garrett Wilson,and then it's Alan Lazard who stinks it's
bad. It's not good that Jetscalled me last week for a workout.

(51:35):
I was busy. Really, they'redesperate at receiver. You. I mean,
with all the website Jurney contributing toI could I can understand one pretty
tough that the Jets are interesting.Run for forty yard dash. I gotta
write this article that the Jets arejust interesting to me because it feels like
the day the season ends, themost likely outcome is if you want a
job in pro football, New York'sgonna have one. Yeah, they are

(51:55):
gonna have one. And what Ithink the guy lingering over all these coaches,
it's Bill Belichick. He wants inand he's going to get in next
off season. Right, That's what'sinteresting too. Back with the Jets,
that would be wild. I doubtthat. But yeah, right with Rogers,
Oh god, yeah, that's aunique group. I think Dallas Philly.

(52:16):
I mean there's options, options,but I mean it's sort of coming
full circle back to the team thathe quit right in his resignation, comes
back plays the Patriots twice a year, ignites that rivalry, Like, that's
the storyline that I'm Buffalo that I'mrooting for. Could be But did did

(52:37):
Buffalo? Buffalo didn't hit the resetbutton? But what if they're bad?
Are they going to be bad?But but does them? It's not the
them retooling? Did that? Didthat buy the regime another year? We'll
see what they do tonight. Yeah, if they stick and pick? Do

(52:57):
they trade up? Do they tryto trade up? I think that's interesting
too. I think another trade upcandidate. And when I wrote about this
today, the Eagles. Do theytry to move up to eighteen or maybe
earlier, but moved up to eighteenfrom twenty two? Some teams like that?
Who knows? I think that that'sthat's interesting. If I had to
guess that the Chargers trade down,that would be my guess. I just

(53:21):
you know, Hardball when he gotthe job at his press conference, talked
openly about the offensive line. Butthey have since lost all their their past
catchers and so is it by design? And he's like, we took Malik
Neighbors. You idiots like I don't. But if I'm justin Herbert, I'm
going, look, man, I'mI measured against all these other qbs.

(53:42):
We have guys to throw to.Keenan Allen was a nice player but was
kind of putting out on sixteen whenthey moved on. They move on from
like Williams, like, I giveme somebody, give me a dude,
even if Rock Powers, give mea dude to throw to. They drafted
a first round of last year,right guy. I wasn't in on No,
so get out of TCU. ButI every offseason we hear about how
good the Chargers are gonna be becauseof Herbert. So now they have their

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coach, Jim Harballsey say what youwant about him, a terrific coach.
If I'm that young man, I'mgoing, look, man, I'm drafted
Burrow has been to a Super Bowlto it despite his health issues. Is
the guy in Miami? Like Ineed a guy? Maybe they trade down
and take brock Tua, got TyreekKildethrow too, Do you do that?
Yeah? I if I'm if I'mthe Chargers and if I'm the Jets,

(54:28):
I want up and get a receiver. Get a receiver, yes, to
pair with Garrett Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. Hopefully stays upright. And now you're
cooking right because that defense is realand you have two legit flats. I'm
not a Chargers fan, but Iwant to see Justin Herbert be given a
chance to do something besides lose gamestwenty eight to twenty seven. And I

(54:49):
want to see so many challenge KansasCity in that division. And it ain't
gonna be Denver, right, andwe're gonna trade down. Apparently I'm one
of them, the many like teamneeds pieces, the people right with you
know, it's like corners wide receivers. Denver was good players like the Knicks,
my beloved Nicks. A few yearsago in the NBA draft, team

(55:09):
needs everything. With the Broncos,it was good players, geese pets.
That's rough. Good players and theydon't have as many picks because of trading
the Peyton and Wilson trades. Yeah, Russell Wilson, that's rough. Uh
oh yeah, I am the Peytontrade right, So yeah, do you
think Russell Wilson works in Pittsburgh.I had someone in Pittsburgh. I was

(55:31):
on a for Bleacher Report. Iwas doing a video yesterday and it was
this live mock draft and this guysaid, we have it's clearly a huge
Steelers owner, right, we havea top ten quarterback. And I said,
who are you drafted? Top tenone? It beats me. I
have no idea. So no,I think there's some confidence there and he's

(55:52):
good value. But no, he'snot scary. I have a I have
a Steelers fan in my life whofeels that way. No, who will
say, like, well, youknow, in the AFC North, we
have the one quarterback who's a SuperBowl champion, Like awesome man, cool
bank that put that in your pocket. Talk to twenty twelve. Talk to
me in December. Peyton Manning waslike, at the height of his Denver

(56:14):
day, I want that to fail. They want in the worst way,
because you talk about a quarterback whosepersonality doesn't mesh with the town that he's
playing in. Russell Wilson in Pittsburgh, did you see the video? All
the videos. I'm like Russell Wilsonin Pittsburgh is destined. There are certain
marriages you could just tell like thatain't gonna work. Even if it works

(56:35):
in the short term, here's howit's gonna unravel. Is he gonna do
the whole like Steelers country, Let'sgo like that stuff yins our country?
Or do the interview with the footballunder his arm? I don't know.
He needs to be looking over hisshoulder. At least the guy behind him
is athletic and can run. Still. Yeah, and I would love to
see Justin Fields. I like himlike Steelers. I still don't think he's

(57:00):
good. No, but I Ithink I think he handled a tough situation
in Chicago. Doubt that really,really well. That's the example of landing
spot matters. Yeah, no,doubt, because I think he could have
worked out in some situations. Wouldyou not draft Caleb Williams because he cries
and wears fingernail? Pope? No, I'm still drafted, Okay, I
would just stud throws off platform.I don't care if he's don't care about
that stuff. You know who elsepainted his nails? Chad Johnson. Correct,

(57:23):
I'm just saying, uh, Iknow you have a lot going on.
I cannot thank you enough. Ofcourse. Yeah, you're you're you're
like surprised at me right now.Yeah, of course every year, same
time, next year, same timenext week. I mean, you got
a lot going on. So likeI get to go. Uh, I'll
be watching and reading and listening.I'm actually probably gonna bother you tomorrow.

(57:44):
I'm not gonna lie to you,No, dude, I can need your
thoughts on Are you back in studiotomorrow? I'm at another location? Wow?
Okay, all right. Also,I want to thank our sales team,
which had a big day at theball park. They did, went
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(58:05):
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(58:25):
Moeger Thanks again to James Repeam.Checkout Bengals Talk dot Com. Entered the
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Bally right now, there we go, it's on now. Wow. They

(58:49):
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(59:09):
to yours for life kelseyshev dot Com. Twenty twenty four NFL Draft is tonight.
It's officially taking place in Detroit forthe first time ever. Bengals will
have the eighteenth overall pick. Weare we're estimating right around maybe like ten
forty tonight with pick eighteen, maybea little bit earlier ten thirty, ten

(59:30):
forty, somewhere in that range.Bengals with four picks over the first two
days, excuse me of the draft. Trey Hendrickson has reportedly requested a trade.
Not reportedly, his agent has confirmedit he's requested a trade. I
got a lot of things to sayabout this. I'm I'm amused. I'm

(59:51):
amused because I can't imagine that TreyHendrickson's agent is as dumb as he seems
to be. But he seems reallydumb. More on that coming up in
the five o'clock hour. Reds donot win their series with the Philadelphia Phillies.
Zach Wheeler stuck it to him todayCincinnati with just three hits in a
five nothing loss. They split theset. Reds are on the road this

(01:00:15):
weekend for three with the defending WorldSeries champion Texas Rangers. College basketball,
the Big twelve Big East Battle willfeature you see Bearcats on the road against
Villanova. That game will be onTuesday, December third. Meanwhile, Xavier
will be in Fort Worth to battleTCU. That game on Friday, December
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(01:00:40):
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(01:01:02):
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We are gonna call him back tomorrowto talk about what the Bengals do in
round one tonight and obviously look aheadto rounds two and three tomorrow. The

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draft for the Bengals is occurring againstthe backdrop of something. It is rare
that I see something that is genuinelysurprising, but you know, we're doing
the show yesterday afternoon and it's Iwas chatting with doctor Mark Juhas from Ortho
Sinci, our weekly Ortho Sincy InjuryReport, and I see the tweet from

(01:02:52):
Adam Schefter that Trey Hendrickson is requestingthe trade because he wants more long term
security from the Cincinnati Bengals. Ijust I don't know anything about Trey Hendrickson's
agent, but first of all,I can't blame him for trying. I
can't blame anybody for trying to geta raise, get what they think is

(01:03:15):
a better deal, get more security, especially when they're coming off the season
that Trey Hendrickson had. Trey Hendricksonwas awesome last year. I mean as
good as he was his first seasonin Cincinnati. Trey was even better last
season, seventeen and a half sacksand really the only consistently disruptive force on

(01:03:37):
the defensive line, at least whenit comes to getting after the quarterback.
I can't blame him or his agentfor trying to use that season as a
means of getting more money. Whenit doesn't happen, don't you just kind
of shrug your shoulders and go,well, we gave it an effort,

(01:04:00):
we tried. What's next? Likedid did? Did his agent? And
I'll put this more on the agentthan I will on Trey. Did his
agent really believe that they are goingto strong arm the Cincinnati Bengals. I

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mean, there's the stubbornness angle,right, There's Well, they famously don't
react when you put a gun totheir head. They famously don't react to
ultimatums. They haven't traded t Higginseven though he's requested one. They didn't
trade Jonah Williams even though he requestedone. They rather famously so didn't trade
Carson Palmer for eleven months, eventhough he said I'll never play for you

(01:04:44):
again. Like they don't do thesethings because someone is requesting a trade.
It's a request, not a demand. But above it, beyond that is
he number one is the agent notpaying attention to how the Bengals have recently
done things where they're not that interestedin players over the age of thirty,
Like right or wrong, Look atTyler Boyd. I think Tyler Boyd can

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still play in this league. I'mguessing Tyler Boyd is still going to play
in this league even though he isunsigned. Bengals just let him go,
like just let him go, understandably. So they are like a lot of
teams in this day and age thatthey're they're not that interested in locking in
guys to long term deals when they'rethirty or when they're about to hit thirty.

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Trey Hendrickson will be thirty before thisyear ends. He turns thirty in
December when this year ends. Whenthis season ends, they still have him
under contract for twenty twenty five.Did Trey's agent and did Trey himself believe
that the Bengals were gonna go Okay, you know what, we don't cave

(01:05:54):
when players make trade requests, andwe're not that interested in players over the
age of thirty. But you knowwhat we're gonna do. We're gonna go
ahead and give more years to aguy who's under contract for two more years
who's about to turn thirty. Likethis is something they looked at each other

(01:06:14):
and hatched the plan and thought thiswould work. I put this on social
media last night, like, arethey aware? Look, Trey is,
by all accounts a good dude.He's been a terrific player. There's no
reason to root against him. He'sgonna play for the Bengals this coming season.
Do they know, though, howmuch they're being laughed at? Like

(01:06:35):
I'm laughing at him? Most peoplewho follow the league are they're laughing at
Trey Hendrickson and his agent. Bengalsfans, I think you're laughing at Trey
Hendrickson. I'm gonna be willing tobet that the people working inside the venue
formerly known as Paul Brown Stadium alsolaughing at Trey Hendrickson. Look, Trey's

(01:06:57):
awesome. Here's the reality. We'rewe're not talking about what kind of player
he's going to be in twenty twentyfour. We think he's going to be
a good player in twenty twenty four. We're not talking about the kind of
player he's going to be in twentytwenty five. Trey's looking for a deal
for twenty twenty six. Think abouthow far off into the distance that is.

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When the twenty twenty six season begins, we will have gone through tonight's
draft, this weekend's draft, nextyear's draft, and the draft after that,
and then the twenty twenty six seasonis going to begin. Trey is
under contract to play in thirty fourmore games for the Bengals in the regular

(01:07:41):
season between now and the start ofthe twenty twenty six season. At the
end of the twenty twenty six season, Tray's going to be thirty two years
old. What did they did?They really think this was going to work?
And look, man, if TreyHendrickson is a Bengal in twenty twenty
six, that's not a bad thingby any stretch of the imagination, because

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that tells me he still showed hehad a lot in the tank in twenty
twenty four and still showed he hada lot in the tank perhaps in twenty
twenty five. But I'm not givingTray twenty two. That's what this is
about. It's about twenty twenty six. I'm not giving Trey twenty twenty six
based on what he did in twentytwenty three. Who in their right mind
would do that, especially when he'sunder a value contract, Like we always

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talk about, the really good teamsin the league are the ones that have
guys under value contracts. The Bengalshave Trey Hendrickson, an elite edge rusher
under a value contract, and soA they're gonna trade him. B they're
just gonna give them more money whenthey agreed to a contract with him nine
months ago, and C when hehas no leverage like he may decide to

(01:08:55):
go retire. And what I wouldtell Trey is, look, man,
if if the choice comes down two, you playing this year and next year
making close to thirty million dollars,or you retiring and making none of that
money. If that's what you wantto go, do fine. We drafted
an edge rusher last year. We'vegot ten picks in this year's draft.
We have next year's draft. Likewe like to have you, we kind

(01:09:18):
of need you. But if you'regonna say, look, I'm gonna retire
and not make thirty million bucks overthe next couple of seasons because you're looking
for a contract when you're going tobe close to thirty two years old in
twenty twenty six, Hey man,thanks for everything, but I'll see you.

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There's two more things about this onethat I'm gonna get to in the
next segment. Obviously, we havethe actual draft itself that we have to
talk about. I want Byron Murphy. I don't think he's going to be
there. I'm intrigued to see ifJohnny Newton is there, the other defensive
tackle that a lot of people havegiven her first round grade to if they
would draft him. The Carson Palmercomparison that many have made. So Carson

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in twenty eleven says trade me orI'm gonna retire, and by the way,
he delivered on that promise. Hedidn't come to training camp, he
didn't join the team when the seasonstarted, he left. They ultimately did
trade him when opportunity met desperation,and they sent him to the Oakland Raiders.
Whether you agreed with what Carson did, whether you detest to this day

(01:10:25):
what Carson did. What Carson didand what Trey is doing, they're not
the same. I, by theway, was kind of on board with
what Carson did, because Carson wasupset about how the organization is run and
was upset about the structure of basicallythe football operations, and he viewed Cincinnati

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as as it was at the timein twenty eleven, as not where he
can win. What he did wasnot about getting more money. It wasn't
about getting a new contract. Itwas about I don't think I can win
here, and so I want tobe here. You might not have liked
it, it might still bother youto this day, but what Carson did
was about winning. What Trey isdoing is got nothing to do with winning.

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What Tray is doing is about him. And by the way, I
had no issue at all with peopleputting themselves first, especially in business.
None. But he did just signa contract nine months ago. He had
to have thought, or at leasthis agent had to have thought and communicated
to him, hey, man,you're gonna get the security of another year
on your current deal. That's great. But if you have a bang up

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twenty twenty three, which he did, it's a pretty good chance the Bengals
are just gonna say, yeah,cool, you still have two more years
left on your deal that we justextended. If you come to them and
say now I want to be paideven more or now I want more years
left on my deal, and ifhis agent didn't communicate that to him,
to Trey Hendrickson, then Trey hasthe worst agent ever legitimately. But what

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Trey is looking for is more security, more money. You might not blame
him for that, but what Treywants, what he's trying to do,
what he's trying to accomplish, hasnothing to do with winning. How the
franchise is run, how the frontoffice is structured, who's on the coaching
staff. These two situations are verydissimilar. You may have hated what Carson

(01:12:20):
did. You might be okay withwhat Traye did. You may hate what
a Trey is doing, and we'retotally on board with what Carson did.
You may hate both, it doesn'tmatter, but the comparison to me,
I was always on board with whatCarson did because what Carson did was a
statement about the franchise being ill equippedto win, and by the way the

(01:12:41):
wins and losses would tell you thathe was right. And there were a
lot of people at that time reexamining their relationship with Mike Brown and the
Bengals. Trey Hendrickson, what he'strying to accomplish has nothing to do with
his ability to win here versus somewhereelse. None, none, So you
can't acquise eight to two. Theother thing you can't do is hold this

(01:13:04):
against the Bengals, because there issomething that a lot of people default to.
Anytime the Bengals are at a personnelcrossroads there, any time there's some
sort of key decision they've got tomake, or a player might hold out
or he's dissatisfied with his contract,we do the same thing every time,
and we shouldn't do it. We'llget to that coming up in just a

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that? And during the draft,during the draft tonight, Bengals around the
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Necks in Wilder. Just one morething quickly here on Andrey Hendrickson. The
Bengals have earned a lot of criticism, a lot of well deserved criticism over

(01:14:33):
the years. I've been hosting thisshow for fifteen years. I've levied my
fair share of fair criticism at theBengals. When they earn it, we
give it to them when they earnit. Usually the people who work with

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the team and in many cases runthe team would tell you we have earned
that criticism. But this is thisis what frustrates me and I'm not carrying
any water for the Bengals, butyou'll have a situation like this and folks
will default to see this is justthe Bengals being cheap again. Somebody give

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me an example of in recent historywhere the Bengals have been cheap. DJ
Reader for a few minutes, wasthe highest paid player at his position ever.
Even when the Bengals weren't good fora while, Geno Atkins was the
highest paid player at his position.So is aj Green. Joe Burrow is
currently the highest paid player in thehistory of the sport. They've paid for

(01:15:39):
their offensive line to be better.In free agency, they paid Trey Hendrickson
a pretty hefty sum for a guywho was largely unproven. The cheap ownership
thing, I'm not gonna say it'snever been valid. I'm not gonna say
that every decision they've made based onfinances has turned out to be the right
one, even Andrew Whitworth, whichblew up in their face. That wasn't

(01:16:01):
so much based on what they weregonna pay him. It was based on
his age and them betting that hewasn't gonna be able to keep playing at
a high level as he crossed overinto his late thirties. They got that
wrong. A lot of teams wouldhave made that wager. This isn't the
Bengals being cheap, it's the Bengalsbeing smart. Like again, I blame
nobody for wanting more money and moresecurity. I do not blame Trey Hendrickson

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at all for trying to parlay hisexcellent season last year into a new deal.
This is not about them being cheap. It's about them. We've got
a player under contract for two yearsright now. That's all we want him
for. Things could change based onhow things unfold this year. If he
has a season in twenty twenty fourthat looks like last year, I'd be

(01:16:48):
willing to bet the Bengals will atleast take a look at the feasibility of
keeping here, keeping him here intwenty twenty six. This isn't the Bengals
being cheap. Don't confuse cheap withsmart, don't confuse cheap with prudent.
And by the way, the financesare gonna change as we move into the
second half of the decade because ofJoe Burrow's contract. That's just the reality.

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I don't really think Joe Burrow's contractis affecting what Trey's trying to get
done here. And you know,again, like his agent tells Ben Baby,
he wants to be in Cincinnati.He was at the facility last week
for offseason workouts. You may thinkTrey deserves more from the Bengals, you

(01:17:32):
may want them to sign him forthe remainder of his career. But this
isn't them being cheap, like thecheap ownership. I saw this a lot
on Twitter. John Ledyard's NFL draftanalyst out of Pittsburgh, tweeted about cheap
ownership. That's not even just beingunfair, it's being lazy. It's being
wilfully lazy and ignorant. Again,give me an example. Just because they've

(01:17:57):
allowed certain players to walk out thedoor, it doesn't mean they've been cheap.
Usually it's based on an evaluation ofthe player versus what that players looking
for. It's everybody has to makethose decisions, right, what's the value
of this player versus what they're lookingto be paid, versus what we can
maybe get that's a cheaper replacement.And there's also this man like the likelihood

(01:18:23):
of Trey Hendrickson being as good aplayer in twenty twenty six as he was
in twenty one and twenty three.He wasn't quite as good in twenty twenty
two. Aren't great, But you'regonna know more about the kind of player
he's gonna be in twenty twenty sixbased on his output in twenty four and
twenty five, and the Bengals havethem under contract for those years. This

(01:18:48):
is not them being cheap. Thisis not a franchise that deserves the way
it's run right now. I'll criticizethem for all sorts of stuff. Nothing
about how they've opted rated for awhile now would suggest they're cheap. Look
at the players they have had,look at the players they have kept,
look at the players they have acquired. Where's the frugality by the way,

(01:19:13):
Yeah, they let Jesse Bates walk. You're seeing what's happening around the NFL.
Teams aren't paying big money. Safetiesnot being cheap either. I just
you want to have a discussion aboutwhat Trey is looking for and what the
Bengals should do. Like that legitimateman, Maybe you can make the argument
Trey in twenty six is going tobe worth investing him. Go ahead and

(01:19:35):
do that now. But the reasonhe's upset. He agreed to a contract
nine months ago. Agreed to acontract. If he suddenly hates the circumstances
around him, what's changed. Andagain I put this on the agent.

(01:19:55):
Your job as an agent is topresent scenarios. Hey signs the one year
contract extension for twenty five. Iwould like to think his agent went to
him and said, buddy, ifyou have a big year this season and
suddenly you have one year left onyour contract, you're gonna be in a
much better bargaining position than if yousign this contract right now. Now.

(01:20:16):
If you sign this contract right nowand you have a crappy season in twenty
twenty three, well you've got somesecurity. We hear it all the time.
Bet on yourself. Trey chose notto. The Bengals are not in
the wrong here by any stretch.Every time a player requests a trade,
it's not reflective of the team doingsomething wrong, and its sure as hell

(01:20:38):
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NFL Draft Tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty. I talked about this yesterday. When
it comes to having a draft preference, I tend to form one much later

(01:21:45):
in the process than many because Ilike getting the information. I like getting
people on the air and talking withpeople and listening to people who I think
are really plugged in whose viewpoint Ivalue, whose perspective I enjoy, whose
expertise I put stock in. Iam going to guess Byron Murphy is not

(01:22:10):
there. That's the player that Iwant. I will take Johnny Newton,
I think for me, no matterwhat that the biggest question for this team
this year is can they take aposition that last year was not that much
of a strength and turn it intoone this year, both in terms of
slowing down the run and putting pressureon the quarterbacks up the middle. James

(01:22:33):
was trying to talk me into AmariusMims. I will say this, I
haven't I haven't seen anybody who whodoesn't view him as a guy that has
the potential to be a very,very good NFL starting tackle. The eight
games of experience does concern me fromthe perspective of I'd like the guy who

(01:22:57):
I'm drafting at eighteen in a seasonwhere on trying to win the whole thing,
to be a guy that I'm comfortableputting on the field week one.
Maybe for Amarus Mems the answer isyes, he could play Week one,
but there's just not an overwhelming bodyof work. The body of work that
he does have people absolutely love.I do think it was interesting when Zach

(01:23:20):
Taylor talked earlier this week about positionalversatility and he kind of shot down the
notion that, well, we're lookingfor offensive lineman who could play multiple positions.
It's obviously nice, but they're lookingfor a right tackle to play a
right tackle. And when they lookfor interior offensive lineman, my guess is
they're looking for guards who play guard, centers who play center. I cannot

(01:23:45):
wait to talk about this in greatdetail tomorrow. We do have the NFL
Draft Show tonight on seven hundred WLWfrom six to midnight. Tony Pike and
I will be anchoring the eight toten portion of that show, and that's
always a lot of fun. It'salso a lot of fun to come out
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(01:24:10):
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